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phideaux | 05-09-2009 11:25 AM
Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists' http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...w&pageId=97491 Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists' Bill empowers attorney general to forbid firearms for those 'suspected dangerous' By Drew Zahn WorldNetDaily May 9, 2009 A new gun law being considered in Congress, if aligned with Department of Homeland Security memos labeling everyday Americans as potential "threats," could potentially deny firearms to pro-lifers, gun-rights advocates, tax protesters, animal rights activists, and a host of others � any already on the expansive DHS watch list for potential "extremism." Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., has sponsored H.R. 2159, the Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009, which permits the attorney general to deny transfer of a firearm to any "known or suspected dangerous terrorist." The bill requires only that the potential firearm transferee is "appropriately suspected" of preparing for a terrorist act and that the attorney general "has a reasonable belief" that the gun might be used in connection with terrorism. Gun rights advocates, however, object to the bill's language, arguing that it enables the federal government to suspend a person's Second Amendment rights without any trial or legal proof and only upon suspicion of being "dangerous." "[Rep. King] would deny citizens their civil liberties based on no due process," objected Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America. "A 'known terrorist?' Look, if the guy has committed an act of terrorism, we shouldn't have to worry about him being able to buy a gun; he should be in jail!" Pratt further warned WND of the potential overlap of H.R. 2159 and a recent DHS memo that warned against potential violence from "right-wing extremists," such as those concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty. "By those standards, I'm one of [DHS Secretary] Janet Napolitano's terrorists," Pratt said. "This bill would enable the attorney general to put all of the people who voted against Obama on no-gun lists, because according to the DHS, they're all potential terrorists. Actually, we could rename this bill the Janet Napolitano Frenzied Fantasy Implementation Act of 2009." Pratt's biggest concern, however, is the sidestepping of the Constitution and due process that the nebulous language of this bill could permit. "Unbeknownst to us, some bureaucrat in the bowels of democracy can put your name on a list, and your Second Amendment rights are toast," Pratt told WND. "This is such an anti-American bill, this is something King George III would have done." As WND reported, right-wing "extremists" aren't the only Americans on the DHS watch list. Two weeks before the U.S. Department of Homeland Security penned its now notorious warning against "right-wing extremists" in the United States, it generated a memo defining dozens of additional groups as potential "threats." That memo, the "Domestic Extremism Lexicon" expanded the list from typical "right-wing" causes to include left-wing extremism, animal rights activists, black separatists, anarchists, Cuban independence advocates, environmental extremists, the anti-war movement and more. It even insisted some of these groups were prone to violence. For example, the lexicon defined the "tax resistance movement" � also referred to in the report as the tax protest movement or the tax freedom movement � as "groups or individuals who vehemently believe taxes violate their constitutional rights. Among their beliefs are that wages are not income, that paying income taxes is voluntary, and that the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which allowed Congress to levy taxes on income, was not properly ratified." It further states that tax protesters "have been known to advocate or engage in criminal activity and plot acts of violence and terrorism in an attempt to advance their extremist goals." The DHS memos were meant for distribution to law enforcement officials around the country, prompting some to worry the definitions might be used to classify Americans who simply disagree with government policies as being dangerous. As WND reported, the relative of a Louisiana driver claims her brother-in-law has already been unfairly targeted by police simply for having a supposedly subversive, "Don't Tread on Me" bumper sticker on his car. According to the relative, it happened this way: Her brother-in-law was driving home from work through Ball, La., which has a local reputation for enhancing its budget by ticketing speeders. He was pulled over by police officers who told him "he had a subversive survivalist bumper sticker on his car." "They proceeded to keep him there on the side of the road while they ran whatever they do to see if you have a record, keeping him standing by the side of the road for 30 minutes," she told WND. Finding no record and no reason to keep him, they warned him and eventually let him go, she said. WND has withheld the driver's name and the relative's name at their request. H.R. 2159 has six co-sponsors, from both parties, and has been referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. WND contacted Rep. King's office for comment on the bill, but received no response.

Bx3 | 05-09-2009 11:28 AM
Re: Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists' Lets get the party started already!:bulride:

Tn...Andy | 05-09-2009 02:09 PM
Re: Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists' As one extremist said to another....."Getting about time to water the Tree of Liberty"......

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 05-09-2009 03:00 PM
Re: Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists' Oh, no worries. I'm a radical left-wing Maoist hippie-type so I'm approved.

Twisted Avatar | 05-09-2009 03:42 PM
Re: Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists' Quote:
Originally Posted by phideaux (Post 1715460) As WND reported, the relative of a Louisiana driver claims her brother-in-law has already been unfairly targeted by police simply for having a supposedly subversive, "Don't Tread on Me" bumper sticker on his car. According to the relative, it happened this way: Her brother-in-law was driving home from work through Ball, La., which has a local reputation for enhancing its budget by ticketing speeders. He was pulled over by police officers who told him "he had a subversive survivalist bumper sticker on his car." "They proceeded to keep him there on the side of the road while they ran whatever they do to see if you have a record, keeping him standing by the side of the road for 30 minutes," she told WND. Finding no record and no reason to keep him, they warned him and eventually let him go, she said.
Warned him for what?? What did they say?? What are they are going to do to him next time???

simpleworld | 05-09-2009 03:48 PM
Re: Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists' Do these politicians realize they are literally DIGGING THEIR OWN GRAVES??

Twisted Avatar | 05-09-2009 03:59 PM
Re: Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists' Quote:
Originally Posted by simpleworld (Post 1715730) Do these politicians realize they are literally DIGGING THEIR OWN GRAVES??
Only the ones who think that the shock troopers will be able to provide protection to them and there familes. How I pine for the day when a few of the politcians will be rousted from there beds in the middle of the night at the hands of the people. When the rope of swift justice is affixed to there sorrid necks and the crowd jeers in a righteous esctasy as there bodies dance to the tune of that long thick cord . I can imagine .........The last thought of these vermin will not be that they have a debt to square up for the years of robbing the public all there "professional' lives It will probally be the shock and absolute dismay .......that after all this time. They never really were important after all .......... and now there usefulness is all at end. What a way to have an epiphany. T

Chris_Is_Here | 05-09-2009 10:20 PM
Re: Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists' Yes, one day, these pricks will all be dragged, kicking and screaming, before a People's Court, which will summarily try them, and hang them........their bodies will be dragged, feet first, through the ruined streets, past the hardened, hungry faces of the people that they terrorized and oppressed, and no one will shed a tear for any of them...the dogs will feast on their carcasses and their souls will pass down under through the river Styx and down to the place of torment, where they will be welcomed by the One that they so aptly served during their miserable lives, where they can roast on a spit for etermity... And the people say..AMEN Sic Tyrannis Semper

BellevueBully | 05-09-2009 10:56 PM
Re: Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists' I just talked to a guy at work. He said Americans are fucen gun nuts (in a bad way). Ignoramis Canadianus, get educated. Me, I thank you for every purchase. woohoooooo!

Twisted Avatar | 05-09-2009 11:47 PM
Re: Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists' 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by BellevueBully (Post 1716107) I just talked to a guy at work. He said Americans are fucen gun nuts (in a bad way). Ignoramis Canadianus, get educated. Me, I thank you for every purchase. woohoooooo!
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latemetal | 05-10-2009 07:29 AM
Re: Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists' Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1716166) .....................
O.K., I NEED that bumpersticker.:36_1_32v:

Tn...Andy | 05-10-2009 08:53 AM
Re: Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists' Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_Is_Here (Post 1716070) Yes, one day, these pricks will all be dragged, kicking and screaming, before a People's Court, which will summarily try them, and hang them........their bodies will be dragged, feet first, through the ruined streets, past the hardened, hungry faces of the people that they terrorized and oppressed, and no one will shed a tear for any of them...the dogs will feast on their carcasses and their souls will pass down under through the river Styx and down to the place of torment, where they will be welcomed by the One that they so aptly served during their miserable lives, where they can roast on a spit for etermity... And the people say..AMEN Sic Tyrannis Semper
Yeah.....but how do you REALLY feel ? :biggrin:

reformed wastrel | 05-10-2009 11:01 PM
Re: Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists' Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_Is_Here (Post 1716070) the dogs will feast on their carcasses
Poor doggies. They'll probably get a tummyache; eating politicians can't be good for their health.

larphillips | 05-11-2009 10:51 AM
Re: Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists' Well, now the reasons for that DHS report listing off potential domestic threats is becoming quite clear. All the freedoms given up to "fight terrorism" are about to bite us all in the behind now.

Unclad Lad | 05-13-2009 05:58 PM
Re: Next step? No guns allowed for right-wing 'extremists' Any story run by World Net Daily is automatically treated with suspicion. However, if it worried you, join an organization that is not going to be on that list. Several years ago when I moved to this town I didn't know where to shoot or which groups got together. The one nearest to me is the Pink Pistols. I went, met the group, and I've continued to go. As they do not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, I'm fine. Identify someone or a group you wouldn't normally interact with, and lead them into a gun safety course. But it doesn't have to be PP. Have you gone to an Appleseed shoot yet?

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