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pot_dragon | 01-16-2009 10:47 PM
body armor looking for the best source of decent body armor at low prices. the best i found is a level IIIa for 280....anyone know of anything cheaper?

mayhem | 01-16-2009 11:04 PM
Re: body armor I paid 300$ for a Interceptor level III w/ceramic plates (used, good condition) a couple of years ago. The kevlar and plates are removeable and the shell can be washed. Bulky and heavy with the plates installed, but it seems like great protection. Is it new? If so that is a great price. Used? What condition?

buff01 | 01-16-2009 11:09 PM
Re: body armor http://bulletproofme.com/ this is the cheapest place I've seen on the net.

AuH2O64 | 01-16-2009 11:50 PM
Re: body armor Quote:
Originally Posted by pot_dragon (Post 1515702) looking for the best source of decent body armor at low prices. the best i found is a level IIIa for 280....anyone know of anything cheaper?
There are often some good deals on ebay.

Rumplestiltskin | 01-17-2009 12:15 AM
Re: body armor Stick with Dragon Skin, unless you're life isn't worth saving.

californiaprospector | 01-17-2009 12:39 AM
Re: body armor Considering your username, you need Dragon Skin. Actually, anyone who wants to live better get Dragon Skin.

Heimdhal | 01-17-2009 12:46 AM
Re: body armor how does one get ahold of dragon skin and where does one find it to buy? I thought they didnt sell it "civilians".

platinumdude | 01-17-2009 01:06 AM
Re: body armor Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 1515821) how does one get ahold of dragon skin and where does one find it to buy? I thought they didnt sell it "civilians".
Last time I checked, they only sold to military and law enforcement..

dogear | 01-17-2009 01:42 AM
Re: body armor $280 is not a bad price for 3A if it's new or lightly used from what I've seen. I bought a level 2 Point Blank with Goldflex in new condition from bulletproofme for $310 including a breastplate and h&s. Goldflex is supposed to be thinner/lighter than Kevlar. Excellent service.

Bx3 | 01-17-2009 02:43 AM
Re: body armor Vests with Goldflex or any other hybrid laminate materials have a record of deterioration which begins almost immediately after manufacture. This deterioration is accelerated by water/humidity/perspiration (vests get hot!) and has been responsible for issued vests failing to stop ballistic threats on many documented occasions. Contact shots have also been known to burn through them (brand new vests) like butter. Stick with 100% Kevlar or Twaron which have a proven record of working after decades of wear under most environments. Kevlar and Twaron are a little heavier and are more stiff but you may as well wear something that works. Another advantage is that Kevlar/Twaron can often be found at a lower price since it is considered "older" technology. Bx3

Willie Peter | 01-17-2009 02:52 AM
Re: body armor What do you think this guy had on? it definitely saved his ass.... You Tube
You Tube

Bx3 | 01-17-2009 03:11 AM
Re: body armor Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie Peter (Post 1515905) What do you think this guy had on? it definitely saved his ass.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXMjh_XbkiI
Issued Interceptor vest w/ SAPI plates. No soft armor will stop rifle rounds without plates (yet).

Twisted Avatar | 01-17-2009 11:04 AM
Re: body armor Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx3 (Post 1515900) Vests with Goldflex or any other hybrid laminate materials have a record of deterioration which begins almost immediately after manufacture. This deterioration is accelerated by water/humidity/perspiration (vests get hot!) and has been responsible for issued vests failing to stop ballistic threats on many documented occasions. Contact shots have also been known to burn through them (brand new vests) like butter. Stick with 100% Kevlar or Twaron which have a proven record of working after decades of wear under most environments. Kevlar and Twaron are a little heavier and are more stiff but you may as well wear something that works. Another advantage is that Kevlar/Twaron can often be found at a lower price since it is considered "older" technology. Bx3
Excellent info!!! If I ever get in the hunt for some of this stuff ........I will certainly apply this information. Many thanks :ok: T

Bx3 | 01-17-2009 11:12 AM
Re: body armor Unfortunately, this kind of info doesn't always make into the MSM (go figure). As of right now, the NIJ is in the process of changing it's rating standards to meet reality on the street. To quote a very respected expert on the subject, stick with 100% WOVEN p-aramids (key word being WOVEN) made from Kevlar/Twaron as laminated aramids, such as Gold Flex and others , can still technically be called 100% aramids.

Twisted Avatar | 01-17-2009 11:29 AM
Re: body armor Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx3 (Post 1516091) Unfortunately, this kind of info doesn't always make into the MSM (go figure). As of right now, the NIJ is in the process of changing it's rating standards to meet reality on the street. To quote a very respected expert on the subject, stick with 100% WOVEN p-aramids (key word being WOVEN) made from Kevlar/Twaron as laminated aramids, such as Gold Flex and others , can still technically be called 100% aramids.
You really need a to start a thread on this. This is formation is invaluable and would go a loooooooooooooooooong way when you are talking to people in the business to establish that to are not some "bambi" but a person that has a working knowlege of vests and has done research. T

Ares | 01-17-2009 11:54 AM
Re: body armor I've researched body armor. If I had the ability I would love to get Dragon Skin. Unfortunately as has been pointed out. Not able to be sold to civilians. Which are the people that need it more. IMO. If you do get body armor. I'm going to agree with what others have said and get the ones with the plates. Those are the only ones that can stop rifle rounds. Unfortunately, can't conceal the vest as you can with soft armor.

oxygold | 01-17-2009 12:02 PM
Re: body armor You guys wanna live forever, or what? :thumb.aspx: :36_1_34: :getdown:

Bx3 | 01-17-2009 12:47 PM
Re: body armor TA, I probably don't have enough knowledge to start a thread, I've just been fortunate to have access to others inside the industry who have been forthright with me. If you stick with the earlier recommendations regarding the woven Kevlar/Twaron materials, you should be good to go. A note on Dragon Skin, while it has documented saves, it has also had some serious teething problems/failures. Body armor isn't something you usually want to be a test subject for. Time will tell. A note on Interceptor, while the SAPI plates are designed to defeat rifle threats, the soft armor inserts are not advertised or rated as bullet resistant (with a caveat) . The inserts are actually designed to offer improved fragmentation protection (artillery) with an additional capability to protect against 9mm pistol projectiles (and smaller) only. Ares, a good option would be to get a concealed vest and a separate plate carrier that you could wear over the vest. This allows you to customize your level of protection to the threat and gives you greater flexibility. Polyethylene rifle plates are lighter and offer better drop durability than ceramic plates but are highly susceptible to heat damage/degradation (stored in trunk of car) Ceramic is still the preferred option for now. Body armor technology is constantly improving, unfortunately many manufacturers will not sell to civilians for liability purposes and there is no telling how long the govt will allow private ownership anyways. Just like guns and ammo, armor should be a high priority on most peoples prep list as it is likely that when you need it the most, medical services may no longer be a viable option. Bx3

j-son | 01-18-2009 11:12 AM
gas mask? any of you people actually have a gas mask with updated filter? http://www.galttech.com/research/buy...-gas-masks.php

Twisted Avatar | 01-18-2009 12:23 PM
Re: gas mask? Quote:
Originally Posted by j-son (Post 1517185) any of you people actually have a gas mask with updated filter? http://www.galttech.com/research/buy...-gas-masks.php
I just a Israeli milsurp one for less than 20 bucks and it seems fine. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/Searc...10&q=gas+masks

j-son | 01-18-2009 12:57 PM
Re: gas mask? Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1517265) I just a Israeli milsurp one for less than 20 bucks and it seems fine. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/Searc...10&q=gas+masks
Israeli and Russian gas masks are popular search terms on the Internet although many of the models from those countries you find online are outdated and wouldn't protect you very well. this one seems fine http://www.approvedgasmasks.com/hood-evolution.htm

electric-amish | 01-18-2009 04:56 PM
Re: body armor This looks goo in a SHTF situation--not advertiseing to take head shots. Looks Like a Windbreaker Jacket... http://bulletproofme.com/Images/jack...osed%20(C).jpg (Jacket Zipped Up) But Hidden Underneath is an EXTENDED Coverage Vest http://bulletproofme.com/Images/jack...vest%20(C).jpg (Jacket Zipped Off Vest to show ballistic coverage) Either Way - Quick On & Off http://bulletproofme.com/Images/jack...open%20(C).jpg

drafter | 01-18-2009 05:44 PM
Re: body armor I've got something very similar to that Electric-amish. Only mine doesn't have the long sleeves. It looks more like a photographers vest with pockets and such. I've worn it around in public before thrown over a button up long sleeve shirt and nobody seems to look twice. It's fairly obvious if you know what you're looking at, but the average joe doesn't have a clue. It's level IIa.

TripKidd | 09-21-2009 11:28 AM
Re: body armor Quote:
Originally Posted by electric-amish (Post 1517516) This looks goo in a SHTF situation--not advertiseing to take head shots.
Got a link for us to check that out?

wallew | 09-21-2009 02:44 PM
Re: body armor Quote:
Originally Posted by TripKidd (Post 1932223) Got a link for us to check that out?
http://www.bulletproofme.com/Ballistic_Clothing.shtml

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