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Freedom1 | 02-27-2009 03:29 PM
Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Ok gimer's,,, its that time to pick up another gun.. This time I'm looking for the "Black Rifle" style. I am so confused with the different setups, and such. But I'm sure I will find my answer through different searches. My questions are Whats the best caliber for a shtf scenario? .308, .223, 30-06???? Make, models, whats your opinions on the type of rifle, keep in mind the wife will use this too, or I will buy here one too, I would like to get the same for both of us. Thanls Freedom1

Abouthadit | 02-27-2009 03:32 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? 1 Attachment(s) My 2C is .308. Get a new 22in bbl Saiga with the wood furniture. Sweet.

Freedom1 | 02-27-2009 03:36 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? that looks like fun...not sure they are illegal in my state will have to check.. Just curios, why do you think the .308? Freedom1

GSM/MM | 02-27-2009 03:49 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? if wife is recoil sensitive go with .223, although they can be maintenance intensive. my own preference is .308/7.62x51 in a heavy rifle = m1a/fal. heavier/mass battle rifle equals less felt recoil and i find both those platforms less maintenance intensive{700-1000 rounds between cleanings} just my experince and opinion...

Desert Fox | 02-27-2009 04:01 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Just purchased this one, in .308 but I gotta order a flat top upper, that carry handle has got to go. http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/q...hmajic/308.jpg

sparky0 | 02-27-2009 04:03 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? I like to keep it simple :-) http://www.wholesalesports.com/onlin...egory=10120022

Abouthadit | 02-27-2009 04:05 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom1 (Post 1597884) that looks like fun...not sure they are illegal in my state will have to check.. Just curios, why do you think the .308? Freedom1
.308 is the same as 7.62x51 NATO used in the M-14. Proven man stopper and will turn some cover into concealment.

bwelkk | 02-27-2009 04:08 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Quote:
Originally Posted by Abouthadit (Post 1597960) .308 is the same as 7.62x51 NATO used in the M-14. Proven man stopper and will turn some cover into concealment.
.308 operates at higher pressures than 7.62x51 and 7.62x51 needs a little more headspacing. But yes, they are practically the same.

hypervel | 02-27-2009 04:13 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Love to help, but I don't know a thing abouts firearms and ammunition..............

Abouthadit | 02-27-2009 04:15 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Quote:
Originally Posted by bwelkk (Post 1597965) .308 operates at higher pressures than 7.62x51 and 7.62x51 needs a little more headspacing. But yes, they are practically the same.
Agreed, Mr. Meticulous, but for this thread, the diff is not worth mentioning. :biggrin:

GSM/MM | 02-27-2009 04:20 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? take wife to a range that rents rifles. have her shoot ar-15/.223, ak-variant/7.62x39,and a heavy .308 battle rifle. get feed back, cause if she won't touch the one you bought its yours and that might be your last purchase. also, getting her involved in now high dollar purchases and onboard makes it easier, my experience, when you want to add to the collection again. you might be pleasantly surprised.

GSM/MM | 02-27-2009 04:31 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? settled on 7.62x39/ak for my own wife. working her up to my .308's , muzzle blast and noise from 16.25'' barrel turns her off-whole other discussion. we both have bum shoulders do to work injuries, so you have to compensate for recoil and no issues here. good to know your soul mate has your back if its just the 2 of you in the middle of the night or in the middle of nowhere.

GSM/MM | 02-27-2009 04:34 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? shot placement is important, but .30 caliber rounds and mag capacity will do a number on concealment..

GSM/MM | 02-27-2009 04:37 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? only downside i see for 7.62x39 is availability, so stock up on it if that is the route you go.

Twisted Avatar | 02-27-2009 04:46 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? What is your budget looking like???

GSM/MM | 02-27-2009 04:57 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? true , hope he knows he's looking to outlay 700-2k for ebr.

Freedom1 | 02-27-2009 06:46 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? twisted,,, would like to keep it under 2,000

SilverCity | 02-27-2009 06:52 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom1 (Post 1598256) twisted,,, would like to keep it under 2,000
Under $2000?. You will have lots of choices. Make sure you can find quality ammo at a "reasonable" price first. Good Luck.

Twisted Avatar | 02-27-2009 07:51 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom1 (Post 1598256) twisted,,, would like to keep it under 2,000
Try some of these............ AK-47 Rifles (and copies) (6 item(s) in this category) ------------------------------------------ Gun Number: 903126843 Type: Classified Ad Title: ARSENAL SLG 20-21 Price: $ 995.00 Seller: GUNWORKS OF SALISBURY NC Contact: http://www.gunsamerica.com/903126843..._SLG_20_21.htm Description: ARSENAL SLG20 NEW IN BOX. COMES WITH 30 ROUND POLYMER MAGAZINE. THREAD ON PROTECTOR ON MUZZLE. OPTIONAL MUZZLE BREAK AVAILABLE FROM ARSENAL. BLACK PLASTIC STOCKS. THANKS FOR LOOKING PRICE FIRM, 2%credit card fee, NO TRADES PLEASE, SHIPS TO FFL O... Number of Images: 3 Gun Number: 916612274 Type: Classified Ad Title: Romanian AK-47 7.63x39 with Extras Price: $ 799.99 Seller: Rifle Web Contact: http://www.gunsamerica.com/916612274...ith_Extras.htm Description: Brand new in the box! This is the WASR AK-47 7.62x39 comes with 1 magazine, detachable muzzlebreak, threaded muzzle, cleaning kit, factory paperwork. Shipping is $30 for long guns and $25 for handguns. Shipping charges include full insurance for sa... Number of Images: 1 Gun Number: 940470305 Type: Classified Ad Title: RUSSIAN SIAGA AK47 Price: $ 895.00 Seller: TRADING POST Contact: http://www.gunsamerica.com/940470305...SIAGA_AK47.htm Description: NEW IN BOX RUSSIAN SIAGA AK47,7.62X39 CAL.16.5"BBL.,UTG SIDE MOUNT WITH AIM 4X32 RED AND GREEN ILLUMINATED RETICLE SCOPE,1-30 RD.MAG,1-10RD MAG,OIL BOTTLE,CLEANING KIT Number of Images: 1 Gun Number: 941526891 Type: Classified Ad Title: RUSSIAN SIAGA,AK47,.308 CAL. Price: $ 995.00 Seller: TRADING POST Contact: http://www.gunsamerica.com/941526891...K47_308_CA.htm Description: NEW IN BOX RUSSIAN SIAGA AK47 IN .308 CAL. 16.5"BBL.1-25 RD.MAG. 1-10 RD. MAG. CLEANING KIT,OIL BOTTLE. UTG SIDE MOUNT WITH AIM RED DOT SIGHT.EXCELLENT SHOOTERS. MONEY ORDER OR CERTIFIED BANK CHECK Number of Images: 1 Gun Number: 983594959 Type: Classified Ad Title: RUSSIAN SIAGA,AK47 .308 CAL. Price: $ 895.00 Seller: TRADING POST Contact: http://www.gunsamerica.com/983594959...K47_308_CA.htm Description: NEW IN BOX RUSSIAN SIAGA,16.3"BBL.,.308 CAL.1-25 RD. MAG,1-10 RD.MAG,CLEANING KIT,OIL BOTTLE Number of Images: 1 Gun Number: 985432083 Type: Classified Ad Title: RUSSIAN SIAGA AK47 Price: $ 695.00 Seller: TRADING POST Contact: http://www.gunsamerica.com/985432083...SIAGA_AK47.htm Description: NEW IN BOX RUSSIAN SIAGA, 7.62X39 CAL.SYN. FURNITURE,16.3"BBL. TAKES STD.AK MAGS. COMES WITH 1-30 RD.MAG,1-10 RD.MAG,CLEANING KIT,OIL BOTTLE. MONEY ORDER OR CERTIFIED BANK CHECK Number of Images: 1

Irons | 02-27-2009 08:15 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Get a nice AR-15 .223 carbine, the best you can afford. You both will love it. I had a Colt full stock heavy barrel carbine once, before my wife unit found out it is accurate as heck, doesn't kick and kills white tail deer dead as a doornail.

Freedom1 | 02-27-2009 09:02 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? You guys are awesome thanks for the information :36_1_32v:

ruprick | 02-27-2009 09:12 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? All AR-15 makes are good. There are a lot to be had in the $1000 - $1400 range. Ruger mini-14 is a fine rifle in .223, and mini-30 in 7.62x39......these Rugers are about $700-850, I'm not much of an AK fan......they are o.k. but way overpriced for the low quality construction that they are. I think the Ruger mini 14/30 is quite a nice rifle for the price.....too bad Ruger will not offer a new design that uses the AR magazines....(I wrote to them suggesting this idea....)

Igotyour6 | 02-27-2009 09:33 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Quote:
Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1598555) I'm not much of an AK fan......they are o.k. but way overpriced for the low quality construction that they are. (I wrote to them suggesting this idea....)
I think the AK's are basically "throw away" guns that can be shoved in the mud and still keep on shooting, stamped steel, designed for short lives. but way way better than some of the early m16's that found their way in to the boys hands in portions of Asia back when

Caligula | 02-27-2009 09:35 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Get a DSA FAL.... http://www.dsarms.com/ ....or a SOCOM II.... http://springfield-armory.primediaou.../SPstory28.php ....and call it a day.

EE_ | 02-27-2009 10:05 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Doesn't anyone like the Springfield M1A anymore? http://www.webarms.com/Gun%20Supplie...A9102Large.gif

EE_ | 02-27-2009 10:10 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? What's wrong with the FN SCAR 17 ? http://www.fnhusa.com/support/images.../FNM0109mb.png

Irons | 02-27-2009 10:12 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Sure EE they are great! Freedom1 stated something his wife would be comfortable with also so my first thought is always AR-15, and thats just from my experience with my own wife and her friends.They love shooting AR-15's and shoot well with them.

EE_ | 02-27-2009 10:18 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Quote:
Originally Posted by Irons (Post 1598668) Sure EE they are great! Freedom1 stated something his wife would be comfortable with also so my first thought is always AR-15, and thats just from my experience with my own wife and her friends.They love shooting AR-15's and shoot well with them.
Okay, get the SCAR then! It weighs less then 8 pounds. I hear it is very comfortable to shoot. http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/fi...07&mid=FNM0109

GSM/MM | 02-27-2009 10:28 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? aren't scars hard to find at the moment and expensive? 30-30 marlin lever action, my politically correct gun, i put twenty rounds thru it and i'm pretty much done with it for the day/recoil...however, then i can pickup my m1a scout and shoot the rest of the day comfortably til i run out of ammunition...this rifle has seen 500-600 rounds in an afternoon of shooting when it was cheaper put away and repeated.on another afternoon.

GSM/MM | 02-27-2009 10:33 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? used to be able to get 200 rd battle packs of 7.62x51 for 19.99...was cheaper to shoot than 45 acp.

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EE_ | 02-27-2009 10:49 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Quote:
Originally Posted by GSM/MM (Post 1598705) aren't scars hard to find at the moment and expensive? 30-30 marlin lever action, my politically correct gun, i put twenty rounds thru it and i'm pretty much done with it for the day/recoil...however, then i can pickup my m1a scout and shoot the rest of the day comfortably til i run out of ammunition...this rifle has seen 500-600 rounds in an afternoon of shooting when it was cheaper put away and repeated.on another afternoon.
Yes the SCAR is going to be hard to locate...but ain't it sweet! Did you watch the video on FN's site? The take down is nice and simple.

GSM/MM | 02-27-2009 11:00 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? sweet yeah, but after seeing what they were going for and figuring they'd be banned before the price came down i opted for a dsa fal para and spent the rest on ammo.

leadfoot | 02-28-2009 12:58 AM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom1 (Post 1597864) Ok gimer's,,, its that time to pick up another gun.. This time I'm looking for the "Black Rifle" style.
Answers could depend on what you already have.

Freedom1 | 02-28-2009 05:46 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Leadfoot, I have mostly handguns, I do have a ruger 10/22, and a remington 870 , but mostly handguns. My wife seems to like the M&P 15 rifle,, what do you guys think. Any one tried or have one? Freedom1

Irons | 02-28-2009 06:02 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom1 (Post 1599868) Leadfoot, I have mostly handguns, I do have a ruger 10/22, and a remington 870 , but mostly handguns. My wife seems to like the M&P 15 rifle,, what do you guys think. Any one tried or have one? Freedom1
The NRA magazine did an T&E on it not too long ago and the guy testing it loved it. Very well built and accurate, and while not cheap it was a sound value considering how many high dollar upgrades come standard on it. If I diden't have my trusty National Match Colt I would definately be looking into one, either that or an Armalite.

Usury | 03-01-2009 01:01 PM
Re: Time to pick something new up..best caliber? Quote:
Originally Posted by sparky0 (Post 1597956) I like to keep it simple :-) http://www.wholesalesports.com/onlin...egory=10120022
+100 Imagine a gun that's not an "evil assault weapon" and doesn't have "hi-cap mags" but for all intensive purposes will do the same thing.

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