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silvertooth | 10-14-2009 03:41 PM
Self Defense I know this is the gun forum but I didn't know where else to post this. I am trying to figure out what I can use for self defense that isn't a gun. My wife is dead set against a gun in the house but I believe would be open to something else. I have 2 little ones as well. I'm worried about home invasion and robberies as things in this country go to crap. Any suggestions?

Professur | 10-14-2009 03:50 PM
Re: Self Defense the list of stuff that can be used as a weapon is as large as the list of stuff in your house. There's very little which doesn't qualify. But I think what you're looking for would be pepper/bear spray. Besides that, a good cudgel is hard to beat.

Maximus | 10-14-2009 03:56 PM
Re: Self Defense Not sure I understand why your wife is against having a gun in the home but it sounds like your wife needs to get her facts straight. Before I get into anything else... Have your wife read this. http://www.corneredcat.com/Mindset/corneredcat.aspx And just one last thing... "Arming" yourself with anything less than a gun in today's world of gun-toting thugs is nearly asinine. I'll follow this thread to see what happens. Bottom line is, this is the modern world and your wife doesn't want to be held responsible for only allowing your family to be defended in a half-ass manner should the SHTF at your residence. She probably wants the best for her family and kids, but when it comes to life and death she does not? I can't follow the reason in that. She needs to remove all emotion from her opinion and let reason and logic influence her thinking.

Patriotme | 10-14-2009 03:58 PM
Re: Self Defense Perhaps you could talk her into a shotgun loaded with less lethal loads (beanbags and other rubber balls) and keep the buckshot and slugs hidden away from her.

mick silver | 10-14-2009 03:59 PM
Re: Self Defense read this about taurus guns ........ very safe with kids in the house ... http://www.taurususa.com/security-system.cfm

silvertooth | 10-14-2009 04:15 PM
Re: Self Defense Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximus (Post 1972571) Not sure I understand why your wife is against having a gun in the home but it sounds like your wife needs to get her facts straight. Before I get into anything else... Have your wife read this. http://www.corneredcat.com/Mindset/corneredcat.aspx And just one last thing... "Arming" yourself with anything less than a gun in today's world of gun-toting thugs is nearly asinine. I'll follow this thread to see what happens. Bottom line is, this is the modern world and your wife doesn't want to be held responsible for only allowing your family to be defended in a half-ass manner should the SHTF at your residence. She probably wants the best for her family and kids, but when it comes to life and death she does not? I can't follow the reason in that. She needs to remove all emotion from her opinion and let reason and logic influence her thinking.
You hit the nail on the head, Maximus. It is an emotional decision. I was thinking of gradually doing it. Maybe get pepper spray and a tazer in the house and buying a gun which will be stored at the range. I could always bring the gun home if things start to get really bad, although we won't be prepared til then. This is just one thing that has been a difficult issue in my house.

renegade_01 | 10-14-2009 04:16 PM
Re: Self Defense Buy a gun and put it in a lock box. Don't tell the wife. Why some of these people are so afraid of guns is beyond me. The thing isn't going to go off by itself. Home invasions are through the roof here. If you want you, your wife, and your kids to be tied up and robbed, possibly worse, then by all means...DONT BUY THE GUN. If you want protection against the evil lurking around out there, BUY a gun. Or...buy a shotgun and some "less lethal ammo". Then throw a couple double OUGHT BUCK in there. Your wife isn't the protector. YOU ARE.

Absintheur | 10-14-2009 04:57 PM
Re: Self Defense This is a tough position to be in, you know what is needed to protect your family but the other half of the partnership is against that method either because of myths, emotional issues, even brainwashed from an early age that guns are bad. Sadly it normally requires a mugging or rape to get folks like that to change their minds. I would try to reason with her using facts and figures. Second I would get the pepper spray and a 2M candlewatt light. (blinding the BG till you can get away is about the best unarmed choice). Buy her a copy of Paxton Quigley's Armed and Female, this is a woman who was against firearms till she became a victim herself. Paxton also holds seminars,,,check her website and see if you will be in your area. http://www.paxtonquigley.com/paxton_seminars.html . Paxton suggests these steps... Here are five smart ways that work... * Face the fact that YOU, as a MAN, cannot be her role model. She needs a WOMAN as a role model. Paxton Quigley has been there, done that, and written about it (Morley Safer didn't call her "The Great Persuader" for nothing). * Start with information - give her one or both of Paxton's books. In California, get her to listen to Paxton's radio call-in show. * Let HER select the self-defense hardware of her choice from Paxton's free catalog. * As a special treat, offer to send her to one of Paxton's Empowerment Seminars. * Even better, go with her! (Paxton only teaches women and couples) Last resort would be buying a firearm and keeping it secret from her which of course is a sure recipe for divorce but depending on where you live it could be a chance you have to take.

Chris_Is_Here | 10-14-2009 04:57 PM
Re: Self Defense My suggestion would be to first offer to take a gun safety course with your wife. You already know what you need to know, but she will be more willing to take the course, if you participate with her (women are like this, you married guys know this already). You get her to do this, and you've virtually won the battle, assuming you get a decent course instructor and assuming that she does not have some pathological fear of weapons. Once most people learn how simpe guns are and how straightforward gun safety is, they lose their fear of them. If she is unwilling to take a gun safety course with you, then turn the tables on her and put her on the defensive. Tell her she cannot possibly make a rational decision about obtaining firearms while remaining ignorant about them, and that you will, therefore, take matters into your own hands. You win either way. I'm actually working on my wife now, hoping she'll go shooting with me soon and do then take the safety class. She is not anti-gun by any means (obviously, since I own several), but she has this personal fear of handling guns.

silvertooth | 10-14-2009 05:06 PM
Re: Self Defense Good advice Chris. Education and going down the path of gun ownership together might be the only way.

Grim | 10-14-2009 05:14 PM
Re: Self Defense Silvertooth, Just buy the gun. The wife needs to get over it, and quick. The world is changing and not for the better. Crime and home invasions are going up almost on a daily basis. Home invasion are becoming more 'popular' or common for two facts; first is that when the residents / owners are at home they do not put their alarms on (no alarms equals more time in the house to get the good stuff, or rape, ect) until they got to bed, and second, if the home owners are captured / under BG's control they, the home owners, can be made / forced to point out all the little hidey-holes where cash and valuables are hidden away from plain sight. We have had two home invasions here in El Paso since this spring / summer and both ended in the death (torture and mutilation) of the resident. I and my buddies now wear our sidearms while at home throughout the day just in the event of that happening - depending on where I would be in the house I would not be able to get to the bedroom to my pistol. As for pepper spray, DO NOT use that in your house! It comes out with such force that even if you hit the intruder it will splash all over the place and more than likely you will get a good dose of it yourself. God help you if you are now incapacipated and there was a second or even a third person involved in the breakin, they will overpower you. Now the BGs are PO'ed and you and your family are at risk of serious injury, death, reprisals. Taser Guns. Forget it. There are two types, the contact models and the models that shoot out the little barbs with the wires attached. Both will get you killed! To use the contact model you, obviously, have to be within contact distance. You run the risk of having it taken away from you and used on you (or stuck in your hidey-hole :thumpdown). With the 'projectile' model that shoots the barbs, you only get one shot (then you must reload a new cartridge) and the range is only 10-15 feet depending on the model. Also remember that both barbs must make contact to work. Again, in both instances you may very well be facing multiple attackers, think about it. Now some will say that the Police use Tasers, why not me? Well the Police in most instances use them when there are 2-5 other officers around so if po-po #1 misses then po-po #2-#5 is back up. If they are by themselves and they miss then remember that they ALSO have a pistol that they can go to for back up. As for using non leathal ammo, DON'T DO IT! You use a firearm because you are in fear for your life or the lives of another. It has been proven in court time and time again that people that have used less-than-lethal ammo have gone to prision. The main argument being that the person did not use lethal ammo so they were not in fear for their lives (damn lawyers / DAs). Safety locks - NO, NO, NIEN, NO! Can you honestly say that under stress you will be able to remember to grab the key and have the manual dexterity to unlock the weapon? No you WILL NOT. How can I say that? Because I have over 500 hours of firearms training from some of the top notch firearms schools in the country and have observed time and time again people under stress forgetting to disengage the weapon's safety. I've also seen it a couple of times at IDPA matches. What do you think is going to happen if you, or your wife, pulls a gun on an intruder(s) in you home and they figure out that it doesn't work. They are going to take it from you and exact a terrible revenge, its happened before. You need to attack the problem by having an open, honest discussion with the wifey-poo. Pull down articles from the web about home invasions and crime statistics to show her. Tell her how you feel about protecting her and the kids. As for the kids, knowledge is everything. Talk to them about it, show them it, and if they are old enough / big enough take them to the range and let them shoot it. My dad did that with me and my brother and the mystic was gone, no issues. I have done that with my two olders boys, nine and six, and they will not touch a gun without permission. I set an unloaded pistol down in the livingroom once and watched from out of sight and both, upon seeing it, immediately yelled for mom or dad to remove it. They both love to shoot but will not touch without permission. Before I got married, for the second time, the wife knew that I had guns and wasn't too thrilled about it. Over the years I have bought a lot of firearms and a ton of ammo as well as just this summer getting into preps. She wasn't to enthused about it at first but I explained to her that it was to be able to provide and protect the family. I told her to remember that I took an oath before God and our families to protect her, and by extension, our family / kids at our wedding. That helped seal the deal. Hope this helps.

silvertooth | 10-14-2009 05:17 PM
Re: Self Defense Great post Grim.:ok:

Real Money Now | 10-14-2009 05:21 PM
Re: Self Defense Quote:
Originally Posted by silvertooth (Post 1972538) I know this is the gun forum but I didn't know where else to post this. I am trying to figure out what I can use for self defense that isn't a gun. My wife is dead set against a gun in the house but I believe would be open to something else. I have 2 little ones as well. I'm worried about home invasion and robberies as things in this country go to crap. Any suggestions?
Good for the cops, good for you: http://www.taser.com/PRODUCTS/CONSUMERS/Pages/C2.aspx http://www.foxlabs.com/products.shtml We carry the C2 everywhere. For inside the home, I recommend this as a supplement: http://www.counterassault.com/

Real Money Now | 10-14-2009 05:27 PM
Re: Self Defense Quote:
Originally Posted by Grim (Post 1972716) Taser Guns. Forget it. There are two types, the contact models and the models that shoot out the little barbs with the wires attached. Both will get you killed!
Please know what you're talking about. A TASER is not "contact." You're thinking "stun gun." A TASER can be used as a contact weapon after it's fired, but by definition it is a projectile weapon. As for a TASER "getting you killed," another doper just got offed by the cops locally using only their TASER. Fu*ker had a heart attack due to being on dope. So much for him killing anyone else.

BullionCubed | 10-14-2009 05:40 PM
Re: Self Defense I think these kinds of things should be discussed BEFORE you get married and have kids.

steveoc | 10-14-2009 05:50 PM
Re: Self Defense This is a harsh call perhaps - but if the prospect of upsetting your wife is scary, then how much scarier will it be upsetting the opinions of a bunch of well armed thugs ? That is not a criticism at all mate, just something to think about. Doing what you know is the right thing is the only way to go - and unfortunately, doing the right thing doesn't always please everyone. What weapon would YOU be comfortable with ? Thats all that matters, because when TSHTF, its YOU that will have to step up and manage the situation.

silvertooth | 10-14-2009 06:07 PM
Re: Self Defense Quote:
Originally Posted by BullionCubed (Post 1972762) I think these kinds of things should be discussed BEFORE you get married and have kids.
When I got married I was an idealistic, naive kid. Lots has changed but I still do love my wife and kids so I have to figure out something to make this work. I like the idea of both of us taking a class together on gun safety and use. She has some irrational fears which I need to deal with. I don't think locking the gun up or doing it behind her back is the right thing to do because if I'm not there I want her to be able to use it to protect our children.

____hoot____ | 10-14-2009 06:17 PM
Re: Self Defense Baseball bats[wood!]at all doorways, and I also keep supersized cans of cheap chinamart carb cleaner there too; nasty stuff!. [my other weapons are deeper in the house]

harper | 10-14-2009 07:20 PM
Re: Self Defense assuming you don't live in Kalifornia and you don't have any other state legal issues... what is her argument against them? if she just doesn't 'like' them, you need to find out more. 'kids in the house' is ridiculous as long as you are careful. not trying to upset anyone who lost a child due to carelessness or an accident but it is very rare. the gun nazi's would have you believe a child dies everyday from a careless gun owning parent. do your due diligence with the proper sites as to what those stats include, as for a tactic to move forward, take a course with her. better yet, find a female instructor. they are out there. your local gun store or cabela's may be of help with that. find a woman friend that carries or at least owns one. as soon as she admits some comfort, buy her one for the next gift giving occasion.

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 10-14-2009 07:31 PM
Re: Self Defense Get Creative...Get her used to the idea of weapons being tools that take no action without input from the user...You should be able to slowly talk her into a "defense shotgun".. First... http://www.japanesejujitsu.org/wp-co.../02/bokken.jpg Then... http://lordrinja.com/shopphotos/Swor...ter_sasuke.jpg Then... http://www.prestoimages.com/store/rd...d1296013_1.jpg I believe that her being around these useful, yet ultimately inferior weapons will eventually help open her eyes to the fact that the only thing that can really repulse a gun, is a gun with better aim......

Juandisimo | 10-14-2009 08:33 PM
Re: Self Defense I guess I have led a sheltered life or something, I had no idea so many so called Americans were anti self defense till I found this site. (other than the obvious losers in DC) It is frickin incredible to me. There is no America without guns.

Patriotme | 10-14-2009 09:02 PM
Re: Self Defense Quote:
Originally Posted by silvertooth (Post 1972812) When I got married I was an idealistic, naive kid. Lots has changed but I still do love my wife and kids so I have to figure out something to make this work. I like the idea of both of us taking a class together on gun safety and use. She has some irrational fears which I need to deal with. I don't think locking the gun up or doing it behind her back is the right thing to do because if I'm not there I want her to be able to use it to protect our children.
You have a very difficult situation. On one hand you wish to have the means to protect your wife and kids yet on the other hand you have to keep your wife happy enough to keep the marriage together. You remind of some friends of mine. They go to the range with me occaisonaly and shoot my handguns or we'll go shoot skeet after work. They have a great time and are reasonably knowledgable after years of this . Of course their wives won't let them have a gun in the house because they are scared of them and because "They have children in the house." It's pretty unreasonable and illogical but that's how it is. Some people said to just get the gun and have the wife deal with it. That can work in some instances but for others a gun may be a deal breaker in a marriage. A friend of mines wife had a friend murdered next to her years before they met. Most (here especially) would think that would be a good reason to get a gun but I suspect that buying a gun would eventually end their marriage. Of course my friend could then buy all of the guns he wanted but he would not be there to offer any protection for his kids or ex wife. Like I said, it's a very difficult situation. The less lethal ammo sucks but it may be a way to get a gun in the door when you have an anti gun spouse. The pepper spray, tasers, baseball bats and bokken all suck but they are better than nothing. Try showing your wife the dozens of different storage and locking devices for guns one day and ask her if she thinks a child could get to a gun sitting inside a 300lb safe. Ask her is she could defeat a trigger lock or lockbox. Now look up the average police response time in your area and show it to her. Next sit her down with a watch and have her count off the seconds while you show her how long it takes to come in the front door and go to your room or the kid's room. 5-10 minutes response time doesn't sound like a lot until you time it knowing you are defenseless and relying on some criminals's goodwill. You could even look up the sex offenders in your area as a justification for needing protection (although you might end up house shopping). I don't know your wife and what see would accept. If she would just deal with you getting a gun by nagging then it might be worth it to just buy the gun. If having a gun in the home will end a marriage then you may have to slowly indoctrinate her by showing her what has happened to those that are unarmed and how defenseless she really is. I wish you luck.

R U Insured | 10-14-2009 09:37 PM
Re: Self Defense 1st I believe in the right to bear arms The thing about home invasions is the time factor in fast out fast. With that in mind and maybe not wanting bars on your windows an interior steal cable system is easily installed and have recently installed said system at all doors that would be used as a home invasion entrance . It's not unsighly and can easily be taken off for emergancy exit (fire ) neccessity.(something security bars don't provide) even with alarm systems as someone pointed out the home invader is counting on it being off. trying to enter a home with cables(1/8-3/16-1/4) strung strategicaly will buy the time neccessary to call 911 Again this system I have devised is cosmeticaly acceptable to the decerning wife who would not allow ugly cables in her nest ....:smile: And it looks a hell of alot better than security bars on the outside

Fullpower | 10-14-2009 09:56 PM
Re: Self Defense THIS: Silvertooth, Just buy the gun. The wife needs to get over it, and quick. Time to MAN UP. YOU have a duty to defend your family, whether or not your wife understands or accepts this , it IS YOUR MOST BASIC FUNCTION AS A MAN, HUSBAND AND PARENT.

mike77777 | 10-14-2009 10:01 PM
Re: Self Defense having a .38 has saved my ass twice so far, once driving cab in florida, once changing a tire in ne portland. do not allow yourself to be an unarmed victim.

Grim | 10-14-2009 10:53 PM
Re: Self Defense Quote:
Originally Posted by Real Money Now (Post 1972746) Please know what you're talking about. A TASER is not "contact." You're thinking "stun gun." A TASER can be used as a contact weapon after it's fired, but by definition it is a projectile weapon. As for a TASER "getting you killed," another doper just got offed by the cops locally using only their TASER. Fu*ker had a heart attack due to being on dope. So much for him killing anyone else.
Real Money, Your right, I lump stun guns and tasers together all the time. I should be more specific. Yes, a person can 'accidently' be killed with a taser / stun gun. You can also set a person on fire with one if that individual has been huffing or around gas or any host of chemicals involved in the use of making drugs, see it on the news from time to time. But if you are not some kung-fu / kung-pow / knife fighting / open hand expert chances are you will run across a BG that will take that taser, and most especially that stun gun, from you and use it against you. I've seen people that have been trained and 'certified' with these devices as well as cops have them taken from them and used against them (inert training devices only) and it is a real eye opener. Being military I have had some training with open hand and knife techniques and I will tell you that I consider myself to know enough to be a danger to myself. There is always someone out there that is quicker, faster, and better trained. BGs, especially anyone who has been locked up, train and teach each other how to fight that way. Think that they are not aware of the capabilities and limitations of these devices and planned accordingly? What are your going to do if you have a stun gun and the BG has a pipe or a ball bat? The BG will have the reach advantage on you. What are you going to do if they have something in their coat / clothing or in their hands to defeat a taser? They will be on you WAY before you could reload a cartridge. A bullet is much harder to defeat in both of these situations. Another thing to think about is that the taser has a range of 15 feet, stun gun - zero feet. Ever hear of the 21 ft rule? It is what law enforcement use for stand off / use of force (I'm being really simplistic here). Basically, a normal, average person of normal, average health can close the distance of 21 feet in less than one second. I have heard that there has been some consideration to increasing it to 35 feet but cannot confirm if that has happened yet. Maybe someone here can confirm? There is a drill that I have done at a shooting school (and I used it to train my Soldiers before our Afghanistan deployment) where the shooter is facing down range with their pistol holstered. A second person (Bad Guy) is standing 21 feet away at a 90 degree angle slightly behind the shooter holding a rubber training knife. The instructor is standing behind the shooter (shooter cannot see the instructor or his signal) and signals the BG to start his 'attack'. The bad guy begins running towards the shooter and the shooter must try to draw and engage a target approximately 5 feet in front of him (to simulate the BG running towards him). As the BG passes behind the shooter he runs the knife across the back of the shooter. I can tell you that out of 18-20 people in the class, each going through 3 interations, only like three times did a person get a shot off before being knifed. All times were recorded with a stop watch and all times were less than one second. This was a real eye opener for the group. These are some of the reasons why I always 'carry a gun to a knife fight'. As COL Colt said "... call on me and I will equalize". As others on this thread have said, get some training and continually update your training from time to time. Just because you own a gun does not know you know how to use it (and more importantly when to use it), especially under a stressful situation.

Iptuous | 10-14-2009 11:00 PM
Re: Self Defense claymores.

R U Insured | 10-14-2009 11:27 PM
Re: Self Defense \I was PMed and asked to elaborate a little more so here it is Well I am a Tinkerer of sorts inventor is a little highbrowed a term just as is landlord , manager is more to my liking Point is it's just that my own simple effective idea All homes will vary according to floor plan door & window types and accessibility it's a little late so I will be brief My floor plan consists of a front entry and garage door leading to a small hall (foyer)way aprox 6'ft at that point on the adjoining corner which is concrete block CBS and on the opposite side reinforced triple stud that I accessed through the bedroom closet attached , eye hook lags 2'' & 3'' inch stainless steel OK I then fabricated steel cable in Y & H formations then attach to the EYE lags with quick links and simple dog leash connectors all available at lowes hardware dept The formation I use is a combination of patterns and connectors so by simply releasing on one side will not drop the barrier like a gate hence Y & H formations and with the variable connectors in the dark fumbling with gloves buying me time to take defensive measures and call 911 it easy up and easy down leaving when completely removed just 1/2 of the eye hook exposed hardly noticeable painted the wall color & a picture hung. My back French door has 4-- 1/4 cables strung horizontally spelling tired in a similar fashion so kicking it in or prying it out will meet with steel cable reinforcing buying me time (spelling grammar sorry tired ) I hope this helps time is of the essence in a home invasion kicking in doors and coming into a web of steel cables exposed to me in the hall way will buy me that time surprise an audible motion alarm and strobe light will just add to the confusion & fear LMAO RuI Quote:
Originally Posted by R U Insured (Post 1973162) 1st I believe in the right to bear arms The thing about home invasions is the time factor in fast out fast. With that in mind and maybe not wanting bars on your windows an interior steal cable system is easily installed and have recently installed said system at all doors that would be used as a home invasion entrance . It's not unsighly and can easily be taken off for emergancy exit (fire ) neccessity.(something security bars don't provide) even with alarm systems as someone pointed out the home invader is counting on it being off. trying to enter a home with cables(1/8-3/16-1/4) strung strategicaly will buy the time neccessary to call 911 Again this system I have devised is cosmeticaly acceptable to the decerning wife who would not allow ugly cables in her nest ....:smile: And it looks a hell of alot better than security bars on the outside

Ghost Recon | 10-15-2009 08:23 AM
Re: Self Defense All I can say is, you better buy one before the idiot in chief figures out how to stop the sale of them. One more large scale terrorist attack and they may shut down gun stores. I'd buy one and figure out how to hide it.

Silver001 | 10-15-2009 09:00 AM
Re: Self Defense If you have the gun and ammo and need it you'll be a hero, No gun then you are a victum or deceased in the police report.

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Maximus | 10-15-2009 10:53 AM
Re: Self Defense Quote:
Originally Posted by silvertooth (Post 1972602) You hit the nail on the head, Maximus. It is an emotional decision. I was thinking of gradually doing it. Maybe get pepper spray and a tazer in the house and buying a gun which will be stored at the range. I could always bring the gun home if things start to get really bad, although we won't be prepared til then. This is just one thing that has been a difficult issue in my house.
I understand it can be difficult with the wife as I had an issue early on... But my wife was open to discussion and she quickly realized that it was just a tool and nothing more. You both need to make concessions... She needs to let you fulfill your role as the protector and you need to do your part to insure that the firearm is secure away from the kids. We don't have kids in the home so I have not had to address that issue but I've heard those quick-access safe's are pretty nice and make it virtually impossible for anyone to access it in a pinch other than the owner it's configured for. Should be something to consider.

Bx3 | 10-15-2009 12:27 PM
Re: Self Defense I didn't give my wife the option. She initially resented it but over the years has opened up to the fact that the world is a dangerouse place. With baby steps in eduacation and proper security (so the little ones can't get access to the guns) she has changed her thought process and now even has her own CCW. You are the man of the house and it is your primary responsibility to be able to protect your family. Forget the halfsteps already mentioned and do what needs to be done. You may not have the time to convince her and I would hate for you to regret your inaction for the rest of your life when it is such a simple solution. Bx3

TTAZZMAN | 10-15-2009 04:46 PM
Re: Self Defense In our family we all regularly carry appropriate firearms and C2tazers(for places we cant carry legally firearms) a small insignificant clairification to previous statements in this thread C2 tazers fire projectiles and are also contact tazers with both working at the same time offering the possibilty of subdueing multiple attackers. our philosophy is 12 ga at the door Accessable loaded firearms in every room all the time C2 tazer and or 38sp hammerless wheel gun in purses full size handguns in vehicles come to think of it whereever i am at there is never a gun very far away if not on my person

Real Money Now | 10-15-2009 06:37 PM
Re: Self Defense The wife needs to watch this video carefully: You Tube
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Mantokir | 10-15-2009 07:07 PM
Re: Self Defense Regarding the kids... http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=412588

silvertooth | 10-15-2009 08:27 PM
Re: Self Defense Thanks for all the great advice. You GIMers are a great group. I've decided to make this a priority and will make sure it happens. Just out of curiosity, how many of your wives are comfortable using firearms?

Mantokir | 10-15-2009 08:56 PM
Re: Self Defense Quote:
Originally Posted by silvertooth (Post 1975003) Thanks for all the great advice. You GIMers are a great group. I've decided to make this a priority and will make sure it happens. Just out of curiosity, how many of your wives are comfortable using firearms?
My GF is wanting me to take her to the range when I manage to get a gun. Her dad's had handguns and rifles for years.... so quite comfy.

elroy | 10-15-2009 09:06 PM
Re: Self Defense This has never been an issue at my house. I've always had firearms and had several when we married. If her opinions changed I don't know if she would leave but the guns would stay, PERIOD! I agree with some of the others, man up and do what you have to do. Tell her you are not going to placed in a position of having to sit idly by while she and your children are raped, tortured and murdered. I think besides the irrational fear of guns many people fail to fully recognize the true danger they are in. These crimes do happen, they happen to nice people, in nice homes, in nice neighborhoods. It doesn't always happen to someone else, somewhere else. These were my friends, Ralph, Reeve and Raymond Spencer and their step brother Greg Brooks they were murdered for no reason. All of them were good kids from a good home. http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/news_...y_200902131802 4 hoodlum/dopers broke into their home, lined them up on the floor and blew their heads off with a shotgun. They tried to kill Greg's mother, Betty but failed to get the job done. Betty Spencer's Story http://www.anneryder.com/pdf/SoulSurvivor.pdf

Terry853 | 10-15-2009 09:49 PM
Re: Self Defense I am about to purchase 3 SKS rifles for my kids + a few thousand rounds of ammo for them to bring themselves up to snuff in being able to puncture most anything they can see up to at least 2 or 3 hundred yards. Gonna take a while to do it but in 6 months my 2 boys and 1 girl should be pretty effective shooters. After about 300 rounds I can put 95 out of 100 rounds into an 8 inch circle at 125 meters. I figure my kids will better at it than I am. I mean really, these guns are really cheap, really reliable and the ammo is dirt cheap. Give me enough time, 18 months before tshtf and they will be armed, all totally legally, with good pistols as well. Being a Canadian I am pretty sure they will never have to use their about to be learned skills, but better to have the skills and never use them than need them and not have them..right..:36_3_12:

Bx3 | 10-15-2009 10:49 PM
Re: Self Defense Good man Terry.:ok: Bx3

Juandisimo | 10-15-2009 10:53 PM
Re: Self Defense Quote:
Originally Posted by silvertooth (Post 1975003) Thanks for all the great advice. You GIMers are a great group. I've decided to make this a priority and will make sure it happens. Just out of curiosity, how many of your wives are comfortable using firearms?
My wife is from Texas. When I met her she was a paramedic in one of the worst areas of Atlanta. She already had her own G 23 when we met, and knew how to use it. I have 4 kids who range in age from 8 to 20, ALL of them shoot and shoot well. I have a little bitty .22 called a mosquito, the kids usually started shooting it around 4 or 5 and progressed from there. If time and money allow my 9 year old is going to start competing soon. She looks like a miniature version of Jessie Abate when she shoots.

berkscoin | 10-15-2009 11:39 PM
Re: Self Defense Quote:
Originally Posted by silvertooth (Post 1975003) Thanks for all the great advice. You GIMers are a great group. I've decided to make this a priority and will make sure it happens. Just out of curiosity, how many of your wives are comfortable using firearms?
My wife grew up in a house with an abusive, alcoholic father and a weak mother. When we married, she knew I had a few rifles and shotguns and did not ask any questions when these long guns were stored in our bedroom closet in our first apartment. She assumed they were for hunting, and that was that. Her parent's house never contained any guns at all. I later added large caliber handguns, loaded, one at a time around the house. One under the bathroom sink wrapped in a hand towel, one in the glove box of my vehicle, one in the night stand drawer, one in the bottom of the towel drawer in the kitchen, one in my office desk. Over time, I hid several more around the house in places that my young daughter would not locate. As my daughter got older, I took her shooting, starting off with small caliber and working her up to 45 and 357. She is now 16 and LOVES the biggest sh!t I own. She is a decent shot for a 110 pound 15 year old. I always print out stories from the net where someone deters a crime simply by brandishing a weapon, or kills an intruder in the dark of night, and have her read these true accounts. I have now determined that short shotguns with pistol grips are best inside the house because they don't penetrate walls and have added several Taurus Judges to the same hiding places loaded with BB .410 shells, very loud and very effective at short range (think face shots). One day when wife was in a good mood, I told her that today we go to the courthouse to get her a concealed carry permit "just in case I accidentally leave a handgun in her car". She would not be arrested. She went along, although she does not carry. I carry a Walther PP everywhere except the shower, even in neighboring states that do not recognize my permit. I will deal with the consequences if I am ever caught, I can afford the good attorneys. Don't ask. Just buy one and hide it where you are comfortable. Wife will eventually come around. Mine did after some suggestive articles and gentle coaxing. Now, I am happy to report that my wife thinks nothing of me leaving a loaded handgun on the kitchen counter or the passenger seat of her car with a newspaper on top of it. Women are funny. Put some fear in them and they will ask you "what can we do to protect ourselves". Wishing you God's protection and wisdom.

Real Money Now | 10-16-2009 12:42 AM
Re: Self Defense Quote:
Originally Posted by silvertooth (Post 1975003) Just out of curiosity, how many of your wives are comfortable using firearms?
My wife will shoot anything, but prefers pistols.

Mantokir | 10-16-2009 06:48 AM
Re: Self Defense Quote:
Originally Posted by berkscoin (Post 1975328) My wife grew up in a house with an abusive, alcoholic father and a weak mother. When we married, she knew I had a few rifles and shotguns and did not ask any questions when these long guns were stored in our bedroom closet in our first apartment. She assumed they were for hunting, and that was that. Her parent's house never contained any guns at all. I later added large caliber handguns, loaded, one at a time around the house. One under the bathroom sink wrapped in a hand towel, one in the glove box of my vehicle, one in the night stand drawer, one in the bottom of the towel drawer in the kitchen, one in my office desk. Over time, I hid several more around the house in places that my young daughter would not locate. As my daughter got older, I took her shooting, starting off with small caliber and working her up to 45 and 357. She is now 16 and LOVES the biggest sh!t I own. She is a decent shot for a 110 pound 15 year old. I always print out stories from the net where someone deters a crime simply by brandishing a weapon, or kills an intruder in the dark of night, and have her read these true accounts. I have now determined that short shotguns with pistol grips are best inside the house because they don't penetrate walls and have added several Taurus Judges to the same hiding places loaded with BB .410 shells, very loud and very effective at short range (think face shots). One day when wife was in a good mood, I told her that today we go to the courthouse to get her a concealed carry permit "just in case I accidentally leave a handgun in her car". She would not be arrested. She went along, although she does not carry. I carry a Walther PP everywhere except the shower, even in neighboring states that do not recognize my permit. I will deal with the consequences if I am ever caught, I can afford the good attorneys. Don't ask. Just buy one and hide it where you are comfortable. Wife will eventually come around. Mine did after some suggestive articles and gentle coaxing. Now, I am happy to report that my wife thinks nothing of me leaving a loaded handgun on the kitchen counter or the passenger seat of her car with a newspaper on top of it. Women are funny. Put some fear in them and they will ask you "what can we do to protect ourselves". Wishing you God's protection and wisdom.
Extending on the stories of self-defense. Here's a blog that keeps track of guns used in self defense. If you need some stories it might be a good place to start. :-) http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefe...g/blogger.html

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