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Professur | 11-02-2009 09:28 AM
As the West disarms it's civilians the russians train their pre-teens how to handle firearms. Quote:
IT'S a familiar scene across much of Britain. As temperatures fall and the nights draw in, millions of children reluctantly trudge back to school today following their half-term break. But while they settle down to lessons in maths and English, thousands of miles away in a Moscow classroom life could not be more different. In her Russian state school, little Nastya Grechyshnikova has her first class of the day - how to strip down an AK-47 rifle. Down the corridor, a class of 11-year-old girls with plaits and ponytails are learning how to handle grenades. Lessons at First Russian Girls Cadet Boarding School Number Nine in Moscow Bang on ... the girls get some target practice with pistols Other equally demure girls - in dark blue military-style tunics with red epaulettes - are being taught how to goose-step. This is Moscow's Girls Cadet Boarding School Number Nine - one of the new elite military academies in the Motherland. Fresh from Russia's crushing military victory in neighbouring Georgia last year, prime minister Vladimir Putin hopes the academies will turn out model citizens for his resurgent nation. Policeman's daughter Nastya, 11, is barely taller than her Kalashnikov rifle and proudly reveals: "I just finished learning how to strip down and put back together the AK-47. "It's so heavy. I need to make my arms stronger and get more muscles to use it. I need two fingers to pull the trigger." The girls - chosen after undergoing aptitude tests aimed at selecting leaders of the future - also learn first-aid, self-defence and how to tackle terrorists. The rules here are strict. Nastya explains: "There are no short skirts and swear words, no smoking and drinking, and no walking about unattended." We watch as Nastya then takes aim with a deadly Makarov pistol. "I want to be a customs officer when I grow up," she says. "I want to catch criminals. But I hope I won't need to hurt them with a gun. "Some Second World War veterans came to see us recently. They were interested to see what we study and I heard what they remembered about that time. Lessons at First Russian Girls Cadet Boarding School Number Nine in Moscow Quick march ... on parade in the school gym "The Germans didn't take mercy on anyone, on kids and women and elderly people. I don't want it to happen again." The school's day begins at 7am with physical exercise and ends in the evening with the ironing of their army-style uniforms. Make-up is banned, as are mobile phones - except for a few minutes each day when the boarding school pupils are allowed to talk to their parents. Needless to say, their tales of the school day are far removed from those of British youngsters. Nastya says, proudly: "I tell my parents which new guns I've learned about. "And how you need to put together the Kalashnikov so that all the parts go in the right order and then how you do a control shot - the first shot after you put all the parts together - so nothing goes wrong." Another pupil, 12-year-old Olya Offitserova, is typical of the young generation being groomed by these fiercely patriotic schools. "I'm dreaming about going into the secret services," she says sternly. "I like working with machine guns. I want to do something for the benefit of my Motherland like all of us here." Well-spoken Olya adds: "At home, I see girls aged 11 putting on make-up and fishnets. "Why do you need to do it? Why are they so obsessed with boys, when there are so many interesting things to learn? "We do see boys here, very gallant and well-behaved ones. They don't pull your plaits like the boys in ordinary schools. They respect girls in uniform." Lessons at First Russian Girls Cadet Boarding School Number Nine in MoscowLessons at First Russian Girls Cadet Boarding School Number Nine in Moscow Military two-step ... rare chance to meet boys at a winter ball Ukrainian-born Katya Aristovich, just 11, took time out of her hand-grenade class taught by reserve colonel Mikhail Mikkholaichuk, 50, a veteran of the Red Army's occupation of Afghanistan. "I want to be a general," she tells us. "My favourite subject is The Basics of Military Service. "I love marching and feel so proud when we are all together, shoulder to shoulder, like one organism. I'm ready to die for Russia." This angelic schoolgirl's words will send a shiver down the spine of Russia's enemies. Russian cadet schools began in 1732 under Empress Anna, niece of Peter the Great. Following the Communist years, the Putin era has seen the rebirth of the concept for boys - and now girls too. The number nine in the school name is misleading - this was the first girl cadets academy. Another has opened and more will follow quickly. Many of the children, like Putin, are from impoverished backgrounds. They are taught intensively for six days a week in the usual school subjects and also how to sew and cook, sing and draw, fence and dance. School Number Nine also promises to make the girls "faithful, loving wives and mothers". Academy director Viktoria Silenskaya says self-defence classes will help her girls avoid another outrage similar to the Beslan massacre in 2004 in which 334 people, mostly children, perished in a school siege. "We want our girls to be able to defend themselves, to avoid such fears as children felt in Beslan, for example," she explained. The rigid military-style discipline extends to the teaching staff too. Yelena Alexandrovna Kalchenko, a "class dame" or teacher, insists: "At the end of each school year they must organise a performance to show what their pupils have learned. If the performance is not impressive, we part company with the teacher." Yelena goes on: "Good manners must be our girls' default response. Wherever we go, our girls are seen as the best mannered and most modest. "And they're the brightest too, as all our teachers go through very rigorous selection." A traditional Russian Winter Ball gives the girls a rare chance to meet the opposite sex, in this case from a nearby male-only boarding school called Number Seven Moscow Cossacks Cadet Corps - another military-style academy founded in the Putin years. Alyona Chuchelina, 16, who speaks five languages fluently and recently attained the rank of lance-corporal with a medal for her handling of the AK-47, says: "For big events like this you are allowed to wear make-up, but it's only a couple of times a year." The girls scoff at suggestions there is a sinister element to their education. Anastasia Kutskevich, 17, whose mother runs a travel company, reveals: "Many people think we have been taken away from the real world. Advertisement "But I would say that compared with other girls, I have so many more freedoms. This school is about honesty and honour. "I like my uniform and I love marching on the parade ground." Sasha Zolina, 11, like many of the 300 or so cadets at the school, is from a military family - but insists the academy's intentions are peaceful. "I would be ready to take part in a real war, like all of us here, we are well-trained," she says. "Real war is awful, it ruins lives and kills so many people. "What we actually want is to stop the Third World War from happening. God save us from it."
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Patriotme | 11-02-2009 09:58 AM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Hmmm......while Russian girls are training with guns American boys are frosting their hair and wearing girl's jeans (newest trend believe it or not). This does not bode well for our future.

Twisted Avatar | 11-02-2009 10:13 AM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians The one who is armed......will control the future. T

argentos | 11-02-2009 10:37 AM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Quote:
"We do see boys here, very gallant and well-behaved ones. They don't pull your plaits like the boys in ordinary schools. They respect girls in uniform."
A boy would have to be one slice short of a sandwich to pull the hair of a Kalashnikov-carrying girl. :bear_tongue:

shades2 | 11-02-2009 10:41 AM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Maybe the Russians will save us one day from our new fascist Dictators... if they're feeling generous... I guess we'll have to tow the Commie line then... The whole thing is scripted.

Professur | 11-02-2009 10:41 AM
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"But I would say that compared with other girls, I have so many more freedoms. This school is about honesty and honour.
For me, that speaks volumes.

S_Goldberg | 11-02-2009 12:32 PM
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"And how you need to put together the Kalashnikov so that all the parts go in the right order and then how you do a control shot - the first shot after you put all the parts together - so nothing goes wrong."
Control shot? WTF? The Kalashnikov has 5 parts that come off for field stripping and they are all large. You can't reassemble incorrectly. It only goes together one way and the parts are too damn large to forget one.

Rebel Yarr | 11-02-2009 12:39 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Well, come on - it is an elite military boarding school - we have them here too! Public schools doing this somewhere - let me know.

TLM | 11-02-2009 12:48 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians I like the line where 11yr. old Nastya is saying that it is a strict school... no smoking or drinking. Wow, I guess she had to change her lifestyle!

still afloat | 11-02-2009 12:58 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians How about an 11 yo American girl . You Tube
You Tube

Haltiat | 11-02-2009 01:42 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by still afloat (Post 2003521) How about an 11 yo American girl .
In Russia an 11 year old girl who can field strip an AK-47 is a beloved daughter of the Motherland. In the US an 11 year old girl who can field strip an AR-15 is a terrorist and her father is guilty of child abuse for exposing her to firearms. In Canada you are guilty if someone else breaks into your gun safe and steals your hunting rifle. In England and much of Western Europe the men are more effeminate than 11 year old girls from Russia or America.

Doge | 11-02-2009 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Patriotme (Post 2003261) and wearing girl's jeans (newest trend believe it or not).
You have got to be kidding me? I'm going to have to look into that. Any links off the top of your head?

bfnelson | 11-02-2009 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Doge (Post 2003593) You have got to be kidding me? I'm going to have to look into that. Any links off the top of your head?
Man nobody's wearing girl's jeans. If anyone was actually doing it you could walk outside your house and see it instead asking for a link. Man people believe anything you tell em on the internet these days. I lived through the '80s if that was some kind of a sign of death of manhood it would have happened then. I watched grown men walking down the street with butt hugger leather pants and frosted hair down to their a$$. Now tell me that wasn't some messed up s$#@

sirgonzo420 | 11-02-2009 02:02 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by Doge (Post 2003593) You have got to be kidding me? I'm going to have to look into that. Any links off the top of your head?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...4201242AAcw06n

specsaregood | 11-02-2009 02:03 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by Rebel Yarr (Post 2003493) Well, come on - it is an elite military boarding school - we have them here too! Public schools doing this somewhere - let me know.
While nowhere near as indepth as this. As I have stated before....when I was in jr. high, we were encouraged to bring our rifles to school for hunting safety class (optional) just before deer season opened. That was a rural public school....

Haltiat | 11-02-2009 02:12 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by specsaregood (Post 2003618) While nowhere near as indepth as this. As I have stated before....when I was in jr. high, we were encouraged to bring our rifles to school for hunting safety class (optional) just before deer season opened. That was a rural public school....
That was then. What happens if you bring a rifle to school now? The US has lost its way.

renegade_01 | 11-02-2009 02:14 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by Doge (Post 2003593) You have got to be kidding me? I'm going to have to look into that. Any links off the top of your head?
No...he's not kidding. I see the everyday when passing thru the college campus. The "boys" for lack of a better term are a bunch of pansy ass queers who think they are cool wearing skin tight jeans with a pink polo with popped collar. It makes me want to ram my fist thru their face. Literally.

Rebel Yarr | 11-02-2009 02:15 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by specsaregood (Post 2003618) While nowhere near as indepth as this. As I have stated before....when I was in jr. high, we were encouraged to bring our rifles to school for hunting safety class (optional) just before deer season opened. That was a rural public school....
Yeah, I have heard of guys my age, who grew up out here in WA - that they had shooting in PE and safety classes at public schools. Not sure if it still exists, but I would doubt any country has a public school that is teaching kids how to use military rifles....

Patriotme | 11-02-2009 03:27 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Damn. I was hoping the kids would grow out of it by college. My daughter told me about it a few years ago. Hopefully this trend will die out soon.

Hi Ho | 11-02-2009 03:58 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Suspended teen back in school after dummy duct tape covered drill team prop rifle was found in her car on school property. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...ng-fake-rifle/ Yes, that was then, this is now.

Juandisimo | 11-02-2009 05:28 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians "It's so heavy. I need to make my arms stronger and get more muscles to use it. I need two fingers to pull the trigger." That is just PRECIOUS! Though my 9 year old can pull the trigger on an AK-74 with one finger easily enough. I can't imagine an 11 year old needing 2 fingers.

shades2 | 11-02-2009 05:33 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by still afloat (Post 2003521) How about an 11 yo American girl . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o20YI3CAhk
Or this one: You Tube
You Tube

I am me, I am free | 11-02-2009 05:34 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriotme (Post 2003261) Hmmm......while Russian girls are training with guns American boys are frosting their hair and wearing girl's jeans (newest trend believe it or not). This does not bode well for our future.
Let's not forget the metrosexuals who shave their body hair. lol Seeing guys with saved legs is one of the weirdest things I've ever seen.

specsaregood | 11-02-2009 06:15 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 2003928) Seeing guys with saved legs is one of the weirdest things I've ever seen.
Haven't hung around many male members of swim teams eh? Guess I'm dating myself once again, nowadays they have fancy suits making shaving unnecessary....

Operation Grief | 11-02-2009 06:50 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 2003928) Let's not forget the metrosexuals who shave their body hair. lol Seeing guys with saved legs is one of the weirdest things I've ever seen.
Hey, I have my whole body waxed once a year�right before heading to a nude resort in The Caribbean. The women there absolutely love it.

917601 | 11-02-2009 07:05 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians True-I have first hand intimate knowledge of Russian school training, yes, they are trained to field strip an Ak, and shoot, most schools I have been to have indoor basement ranges. Our soccer moms and left wingers have insured the US of A can no longer (en masse-as other countries) raise a warrior. That said, my children are being raised to safely handle firearms and shoot-among other "warrior" or self-defense areas.We owe this to our children. I will not go further into a personal story in which an anti-gun mom refused to let her gun loving pre-teen touch a firearm.When he had a chance at a friend's house, had a serious AD.Kids must know at the very least how to check for a loaded firearm! That means firearm training!

Operation Grief | 11-02-2009 07:14 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by 917601 (Post 2004082) True-I have first hand intimate knowledge of Russian school training, yes, they are trained to field strip an Ak, and shoot, most schools I have been to have indoor basement ranges. Our soccer moms and left wingers have insured the US of A can no longer (en masse-as other countries) raise a warrior. That said, my children are being raised to safely handle firearms and shoot-among other "warrior" or self-defense areas.We owe this to our children. I will not go further into a personal story in which an anti-gun mom refused to let her gun loving pre-teen touch a firearm.When he had a chance at a friend's house, had a serious AD.Kids must know at the very least how to check for a loaded firearm! That means firearm training!
When I was a kid (7-10 years old), I went to summer camp in New Hampshire. Activities included riflery (.22s), archery, swimming (they pushed us to be able to swim a 1/2 mile), riding horses and outdoor survival (knives, hatchets, compasses & maps, fire building, etc.). Any kid in the U.S. today who learns even one of these skills is far ahead of the game.

tulsamal | 11-03-2009 11:21 AM
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Activities included riflery (.22s), archery,
My son is a Boy Scout. My son and daughter are both in 4H. Both of those organizations still do marksmanship with guns. The BSA do archery and shooting every time they have a camp out. Hard to get your marksmanship badge if you can't shoot a gun! Gregg

Heimdhal | 11-03-2009 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by S_Goldberg (Post 2003487) Control shot? WTF? The Kalashnikov has 5 parts that come off for field stripping and they are all large. You can't reassemble incorrectly. It only goes together one way and the parts are too damn large to forget one.
"Now where did I put that silly bolt carrier? Oh, here it is, this thing the size of a finishing hammer!"

wallew | 11-03-2009 11:29 AM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians 1 Attachment(s) R U S S I A N W O M E N I N U N I F O R M G O O D F O R M O T H E R L A N D. Especially when they look like this: Attachment 81637

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S_Goldberg | 11-03-2009 05:02 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 2005145) "Now where did I put that silly bolt carrier? Oh, here it is, this thing the size of a finishing hammer!"
So true. This must be one hell of a school if these kids aren't sure if they reassembled correctly when they are done.

S_Goldberg | 11-03-2009 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by wallew (Post 2005154) R U S S I A N W O M E N I N U N I F O R M G O O D F O R M O T H E R L A N D. Especially when they look like this: Attachment 81637
Fake......

Bavarian Joe | 11-06-2009 09:34 PM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Sounds as if they brought back the old Suvarov cadet schools. Hope it works out better for them this time around. In Russia pre induction military training is nothing new. You have to start them early, when they get drafted, they're so busy getting hazed and having the crap kicked out of them, you can't teach them much. Most people get the training, then forget about it as soon as school is over. I see young men at the ranges here that can shoot better than your average Russian conscript. Joe

Ridge Runner | 11-09-2009 08:26 AM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians Those are actually AK-74's. The article can not even get that right.

EE_ | 11-09-2009 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 2003928) Let's not forget the metrosexuals who shave their body hair. lol Seeing guys with saved legs is one of the weirdest things I've ever seen.
THEY DON'T EVEN LOOK LIKE MEN http://www.newswithviews.com/Daubenmire/dave174.htm By Coach Dave Daubenmire November 5, 2009 NewsWithViews.com Is it ok if I vent a little today? I’ve built up a little frustration over the past couple of months and I just need a pressure release. Will you let me do it? As you may be aware I have started a varsity football program at a local Christian High School. Although I vowed to myself that I would never return to prowling the sidelines when I walked away from public education in 2000, the opportunity to train young males to be men was something I could not, in good conscience, run from. Not all males are men. I hope you understand that. Especially convincing is the evidence I have garnered recently that Christian males in particular are the least manly. It is cultural, I guess. Someone, somewhere, determined that trading the old man for the new man meant losing your backbone. Heck, you can’t even pass gas at a “men’s fellowship” without being looked at as if you had just pee-peed on the Decalogue. Pastors are the worst. Any whiff of “Christian testosterone” sends them to their Joyce Meyer collection of sermons in an attempt to “soften” your rough edges. Well, not for me. My new birth made me more manly, more courageous, and more willing to live life on the edge. I like guys with rough edges. In fact, I’d rather hang out with some of my “lost” buddies than some of the sissified males I meet in Christian circles. I even said “damn it” once when I was golfing. And that was after I was saved. It’s like one acquaintance opined after playing a round of golf with me. He knew my “reputation” but had never had the opportunity to spend any time with me. “I gotta tell you Coach, I really enjoyed playing with you. I hope you don’t take this wrong, but you are not like most Christian guys I know. You’re more…normal…I guess is the word. So many guys I know who go to church seem phony…too sweet for me, if you know what I mean. I could see myself hangin’ out with you more often.” “Come on, Tim,” I barked back. “I’m just like Jesus. Jesus was studly. I got something to die for now. How many guys do you know who can say that?” His look of bewilderment spoke volumes. “So Dude…Coach…where do you go to church?” Back to my venting. Our football team is driving me nuts. They are great young men, obedient and mannerly, the kind of kid you could trust with your daughter. But as my own high school football coach often said they need a little “piss and vinegar.” They take the “turn the other cheek” attitude with them onto the field. Our Christian-culture has taught them that being “gracious in defeat” is Christ-like. I tell them being “gracious in victory” is more fun. Maybe it is just me. I want them to be MEN. Our Christian-culture teaches them to be doormats. In Sunday school they are taught to be kind. I want them to be valiant! Needless to say, I am swimming upstream on this one. All day long they are taught in school to “act like Christians.” That is the problem, I tell them. Stop ACTING like a Christian and start BEING one. But we don’t even know what that means. WWJL…What Was Jesus Like? I promise you this. He was all MAN. He confronted evil, challenged the status quo, upset some apple-carts, and spoke what was on His mind. He was the original “Braveheart.” Come on now. Look around at the Christian role models our young men have to look up to. Most don’t even look like men. What is the word that pop culture has given us…metrosexuals…? Modern Christian men are the ultimate metrosexuals. What is a metrosexual? According to the Urban Dictionary it is a guy who uses mousse on his hair, cream on his skin, wears jewelry, and designer clothes? (Hey Honey…where are my boots and bibs?) Look at the Pastor your son sees every Sunday. Does he ooze testosterone or progesterone? Is he someone who appears to be steadfast and unmovable or someone who is more compromising and nice? It matters, you know. What a young man thinks a Christian man looks like, matters. I was raising-Cain with our players last week and I told them “You guys make me want to cuss! The Bible says to be angry and sin not. I want you to know that I am angry enough to cuss…but I’m not going to. You guys would do well to get a little ticked off yourselves.” But, I suppose Christian men aren’t permitted to get mad anymore. It’s not very Christ-like. (I’m gonna keep riding this stallion a bit farther.) Look at the “Christian-school your child attends. How many women are doing the teaching? How many women know how it feels to be a man…especially a young one? Who do the young men answer to? You got it…women. Who teaches them about Christianity? Bingo…women. Just where is it our young guys go to learn how to be a man? Can I use myself as an example? I have always been the aggressive type. Arriving fourth out of five children, being small (5’7”) in stature (I was called Baby Dave by my cousins until I was 10), and a natural whipping boy for my older brothers and their friends, I learned early to stand up and fight back. It was that “spunky” attitude that enabled me to be a three sport star in high school, earn varsity letters in football, basketball, and baseball at Otterbein College, and lead the fraternity in weekend drinking binges. “Daubie” was the life of the party…the original “wild and crazy guy.” In 1987, at the age of 35, I met Jesus. Raised in church as a child, forced by my mother to watch Billy Graham crusades on television, I was religious enough to know right from wrong. Nothing more than a religious pagan, I ran to the altar with fear and trembling when the Gospel was clearly, and uncompromisingly, articulated to me. From that day forward my life has never been the same. Jesus did for me what a phone booth did for Clark Kent; changed me into a brand new man. Overnight, I had gone from serving the King of Beers to serving the King of Kings and for the next 10 years “men of God” tried to turn me into a sissy… to domesticate me…to conform me to their image of what a “Christian man” should be. Until the ACLU came knocking at my door. I thank God for the ACLU…they dynamited my sissy hind-end out of the pew. I’ve been on a devil-hunt ever since. I grew up on John Wayne and Combat, Have-Gun Will-Travel and Paladin. Who can ever forget Matt Dillon and Gunsmoke, Hoss Cartwright and Bonanza, Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry, and Clayton Moore and Jay Silverheels in The Lone Ranger? Has there ever been a greater line than the one uttered by Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke, “Calling it your job don’t make it right.” Today our sons get weenies like Leonardo DiCaprio, Sean Penn, Clay Aiken, and Zac Efron. Our churches get Joel Osteen, Ed Young, and Ted Haggard. When I was a young boy the good guys were men, they loved women, and they defended the weak. Today, our leaders “come to consensus,” “reach across the aisle,” and are “open-minded.” Well, not me. I’m closed minded and proud of it. I know what I believe and not afraid to defend it. The prissy-pastors don’t know what to do with me. I wonder, was Jesus open-minded? Did He preach a message of “consensus building?” Did He use mousse, face cream, and wear designer jeans?” I was reading this week (Matt 16) where folks had trouble differentiating between Jesus and John the Baptist…they were cousins, you know. The establishment wanted nothing to do with The Baptist…he wasn’t polished enough….locusts, camel hair, wild honey…wasn’t in vogue, if you know what I mean. Jesus flipped over tables, John’s mouth cost him his head. Their paths took them down the same road. Jesus wasn’t relevant to the world; He overcame it. “Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist.” Keep your mousse and jewelry and pass me the locusts and the wild-honey. Jesus was no sissy. It’s time we stopped representing him as one.

Ridge Runner | 11-09-2009 08:57 AM
Re: As the West disarms it's civilians The girl in the article on the left aiming a pistol is cross eye dominant.

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