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Doge | 03-27-2009 12:22 PM
Non toxic gun cleaners? M Pro 7 claims to be non toxic but does anyone have any first hand accounts to support this? Any other quality non toxic cleaners out there?

meatman | 03-27-2009 12:31 PM
Re: Non toxic gun cleaners? Water and a tea pot has worked for me for many years. never bought a cleaner in my life

CrufflerJJ | 03-27-2009 01:10 PM
Re: Non toxic gun cleaners? Quote:
Originally Posted by Doge (Post 1648852) M Pro 7 claims to be non toxic but does anyone have any first hand accounts to support this? Any other quality non toxic cleaners out there?
MPro7 has a great reputation "out there" for cleaning weapons without smelly solvents & such. About the only other thing that comes to mind as a possible alternative is a cleaner like Simple Green.

Metalophile | 03-27-2009 01:13 PM
Re: Non toxic gun cleaners? I had heard that urine is an acceptable bore cleaner as a battlefield expedient. Hey, it is sterile as long as you don't have a kidney infection, and as long as it's your own, not too gross. Not difficult to obtain, either. Dirt cheap, too!

Lucky225 | 03-27-2009 03:05 PM
Re: Non toxic gun cleaners? Quote:
Originally Posted by Metalophile (Post 1648935) I had heard that urine is an acceptable bore cleaner as a battlefield expedient. Hey, it is sterile as long as you don't have a kidney infection, and as long as it's your own, not too gross. Not difficult to obtain, either. Dirt cheap, too!
can anyone confirm ever trying this?!?!?!?

SilverCity | 03-27-2009 03:16 PM
Re: Non toxic gun cleaners? Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky225 (Post 1649084) can anyone confirm ever trying this?!?!?!?
Legends of the old mountain men say they used to do this with their Hawken boom-sticks, if they were low on water...:wink: +1 MPro7...I use it, I like it.

extremist | 03-28-2009 05:35 AM
Re: Non toxic gun cleaners? SLIP2000 is a non-toxic CLP (allegedly).

shades2 | 03-28-2009 08:54 AM
Re: Non toxic gun cleaners? Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky225 (Post 1649084) can anyone confirm ever trying this?!?!?!?
Not a bore cleaner. Urine was sometimes used by machine gunners during WWI when they ran out of fresh water, the water jacketted Vickers .303 guns for example could use it as coolant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_machine_gun

TomD | 03-28-2009 09:18 AM
Re: Non toxic gun cleaners? I shoot rifle competitions where accuracy has to be at levels far above what any stock rifle will shoot. It's well known in all precision shooting disciplines that copper plating the bore is the real enemy. Most of the things that you are talking about attack powder fouling not copper. Almost all copper removing agents contain ammonia and cannot be left in the bore and are toxic to boot. Common ammoniated cleaners are Sweets, Barnes, Butches, Montana, and a bunch of others. Smell it, there will be no mistake. You will know if your bore is copper fouled because your patches will come out bright blue. If you have a factory rifle and you have never copper cleaned, your bore is badly fouled. For the past several years, a large percentage of the competition world has gone to Bore Tech Eliminator. Below is pasted from the Midway site but I can attest that it gets copper out faster and with less mess that anything else I've used. One of the fastest, easiest and safest ways to clean a gun, Bore Tech Eliminator will eliminate the need for other special cleaners on the bench. Works for rimfire, centerfire and shotgun barrels, this cleaner works in a two step process, the first one changes the electric configuration of the copper and the second step acts as a magnet to remove virtually all copper and prevents it from rebedding into the barrel. Non-toxic, non-flammable chemical is petroleum and ammonia free.

Family Man | 03-28-2009 10:33 AM
Re: Non toxic gun cleaners? Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 1650141) I shoot rifle competitions where accuracy has to be at levels far above what any stock rifle will shoot. It's well known in all precision shooting disciplines that copper plating the bore is the real enemy. Most of the things that you are talking about attack powder fouling not copper. Almost all copper removing agents contain ammonia and cannot be left in the bore and are toxic to boot. Common ammoniated cleaners are Sweets, Barnes, Butches, Montana, and a bunch of others. Smell it, there will be no mistake. You will know if your bore is copper fouled because your patches will come out bright blue. If you have a factory rifle and you have never copper cleaned, your bore is badly fouled. For the past several years, a large percentage of the competition world has gone to Bore Tech Eliminator. Below is pasted from the Midway site but I can attest that it gets copper out faster and with less mess that anything else I've used. One of the fastest, easiest and safest ways to clean a gun, Bore Tech Eliminator will eliminate the need for other special cleaners on the bench. Works for rimfire, centerfire and shotgun barrels, this cleaner works in a two step process, the first one changes the electric configuration of the copper and the second step acts as a magnet to remove virtually all copper and prevents it from rebedding into the barrel. Non-toxic, non-flammable chemical is petroleum and ammonia free.
+1 Great tip, I'm going to try it.

Golddust | 03-28-2009 10:44 AM
Re: Non toxic gun cleaners? Quote:
Originally Posted by Family Man (Post 1650216) +1 Great tip, I'm going to try it.
That works.. Not sure if this fits in this thread but J-B bore cleaner sure helps to get a bore clean and polish it to. Just a thought..:biggrin:

TomD | 03-28-2009 12:00 PM
Re: Non toxic gun cleaners? Quote:
Originally Posted by Golddust (Post 1650233) That works.. Not sure if this fits in this thread but J-B bore cleaner sure helps to get a bore clean and polish it to. Just a thought..:biggrin:
That's good stuff too, I'll use it every 100 rounds or so. If you have a really fouled barrel, run a couple of wet patches followed by the J&B and wet patch every several minutes until the blue goes away. I'll usually bore brush before the J&B. It's an abrasive paste used on a tight fitting patch. You'll "short stroke" it down the barrel. The abrasive is harder than the copper and power fouling but nowhere near as hard at the barrel metal.

Golddust | 03-28-2009 12:14 PM
Re: Non toxic gun cleaners? Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 1650141) I shoot rifle competitions where accuracy has to be at levels far above what any stock rifle will shoot. It's well known in all precision shooting disciplines that copper plating the bore is the real enemy. Most of the things that you are talking about attack powder fouling not copper. Almost all copper removing agents contain ammonia and cannot be left in the bore and are toxic to boot. Common ammoniated cleaners are Sweets, Barnes, Butches, Montana, and a bunch of others. Smell it, there will be no mistake. You will know if your bore is copper fouled because your patches will come out bright blue. If you have a factory rifle and you have never copper cleaned, your bore is badly fouled. For the past several years, a large percentage of the competition world has gone to Bore Tech Eliminator. Below is pasted from the Midway site but I can attest that it gets copper out faster and with less mess that anything else I've used. One of the fastest, easiest and safest ways to clean a gun, Bore Tech Eliminator will eliminate the need for other special cleaners on the bench. Works for rimfire, centerfire and shotgun barrels, this cleaner works in a two step process, the first one changes the electric configuration of the copper and the second step acts as a magnet to remove virtually all copper and prevents it from rebedding into the barrel. Non-toxic, non-flammable chemical is petroleum and ammonia free.
Play NRA " over the course service rifle " myself :biggrin:

TomD | 03-28-2009 02:34 PM
Re: Non toxic gun cleaners? Quote:
Originally Posted by Golddust (Post 1650340) Play NRA " over the course service rifle " myself :biggrin:
I used too but got too smart to strap into a shooting jacket and lay out prone in the sun during 100 degree summer days. :confused_ma: I think F Class is more civilized, at least you can ditch the jacket. I also shoot some 1000 yard stuff and benchrest on occasion. I figured you knew how to clean since you knew about J&B, that for anyone reading this who didn't.

Golddust | 03-28-2009 03:58 PM
Re: Non toxic gun cleaners? I think F Class is more civilized, at least you can ditch the jacket. I also shoot some 1000 yard stuff and benchrest on occasion. :111: Tom you left out freezing body parts in winter etc etc. Been thinking F Class myself, Have a M1A1 Super Match double lug that I have shot Palma with, Been trying to figure out how much of a sin it would be to put a scope on. Summer days and "old bones in training" it is getting harder to do the course Ha :15_1_70v:

TomD | 03-28-2009 05:49 PM
Re: Non toxic gun cleaners? M1A's and scopes go together like fish and bicycles. I know people do it. Matter of fact, if I can figure out where to dig it out, I've got a B-Square M1A mount I'll give you for postage. I had a standard M1A and hung a Springfield scope on it. Where I shoot, the F Class rifles tend to be custom bolt guns. I shoot a 6 BR bolt gun built on a Panda action with a Nightforce scope. It would be tough to keep up with that with an auto loader. I'll look now to see if I can find the mount, will PM you if I find it, it's been 5 years or so since I remember seeing it. Quote:
Originally Posted by Golddust (Post 1650508) I think F Class is more civilized, at least you can ditch the jacket. I also shoot some 1000 yard stuff and benchrest on occasion. :111: Tom you left out freezing body parts in winter etc etc. Been thinking F Class myself, Have a M1A1 Super Match double lug that I have shot Palma with, Been trying to figure out how much of a sin it would be to put a scope on. Summer days and "old bones in training" it is getting harder to do the course Ha :15_1_70v:

Golddust | 03-28-2009 06:17 PM
Re: Non toxic gun cleaners? You are right. Don't know why I call the gun M1A1 do that a lot. Sure , would like to try the mount I have had it said that the M1A won't shoot worth a tinkers dam off a rest, Only used rests when working up loads And agree bolts are the way to go for F-Class, and the 6BR is a great round, My dad was into bench rest and that one was his favorite round. Thanks

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