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StackerKen | 12-26-2009 10:30 PM
guns in the mail This may or may not be a Dumb question My Brother has a a few of my Dads old pistols I asked him If I could have one and he said Yes. Can he send it in the mail? What would be the best way for me to get it, Short of Driving 750 mile round trip? Thank guys PS Im really stoked to get one one my Dads old service revolvers!!:ok:

shades2 | 12-26-2009 10:38 PM
Re: guns in the mail I'm sure he can send it in the mail to your local pistol range or dealer (FFL) where you could pick it up. Most ranges can do this on your behalf I think, but you usually need to be a member... Might be worth dismantling first if possible.

Willie Peter | 12-26-2009 10:40 PM
Re: guns in the mail Well, legally, firearms can only be shipped between FFL's(Unless you're shipping it back to the manufacturer),but between individuals,it has to go between FFL's or I think if the firearm can be classified as an antique (>100 years old or something like that) individuals can ship without having to go through FFL's, and the USPS doesn't ship any firearms, gotta be a private carrier....someone chime in if this is incorrect

StackerKen | 12-26-2009 10:58 PM
Re: guns in the mail I guess I'll be taking a drive next weekend :smile:

Willie Peter | 12-26-2009 11:06 PM
Re: guns in the mail Quote:
Originally Posted by traderken (Post 2095373) I guess I'll be taking a drive next weekend :smile:
Looks like IF you jump through all the hoops, AND can qualify, you can ship via USPS...the antique,curios,relic is OK to ship, "431.3 Antique Firearm An antique firearm (including one with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) is any firearm manufactured in or before 1898, or a replica of such a firearm, that meets either of the following conditions: It is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition. It uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition that is no longer manufactured in the United States and that is not readily available through commercial trade channels." I've shipped a rifle through UPS back to the manufacturer before, but shipping to an individual isn't allowed, dealers usually charge $30-$50 to ship to another dealer USPS linky... http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm

StackerKen | 12-26-2009 11:15 PM
Re: guns in the mail yeah, I don't need no middle man The Gun was my dads 38 service revolver when he was a cop in the 60's It will be good to see my Brother too. :biggrin:

Willie Peter | 12-26-2009 11:26 PM
Re: guns in the mail Quote:
Originally Posted by traderken (Post 2095395) yeah, I don't need no middle man The Gun was my dads 38 service revolver when he was a cop in the 60's It will be good to see my Brother too. :biggrin:
That sounds like a Winner :ok:

Tallships | 12-27-2009 12:08 AM
Re: guns in the mail You could probably take it apart and send it in 2 or more small shipments. Then put the parts together at home.

latitude22 | 12-27-2009 12:11 AM
Re: guns in the mail i've shipped via fedex, but only to an FFL.

Willie Peter | 12-27-2009 01:01 AM
Re: guns in the mail Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallships (Post 2095453) You could probably take it apart and send it in 2 or more small shipments. Then put the parts together at home.
Not according to USPS reggs.... The disassembled parts of a handgun or other type of nonmailable firearm that can be readily reassembled as a weapon are nonmailable, except as permitted in Exhibit 432.1 and DMM 601.11.1 or 601.11.2. Just sayin'....there are ways around almost anything if you're willing to pay the consequences

Agfinger | 12-27-2009 06:00 AM
Re: guns in the mail USPS will allow rifle and shotgun shipments, but NOT handguns...The rifles/shotguns must be unloaded and are subject to inspections, but can be mailed at your local PO. Handguns can be sent UPS, however, transferring a gun across state lines to another individual is illegal without going though an FFL....

TomD | 12-27-2009 07:51 AM
Re: guns in the mail I've sent custom built rifles back to the original gunsmith for new barrel fitting on somewhere close to 7-8 occasions. They've been in a hard case and wrapped in cardboard, FedEx insured each time.

gypsybiker45 | 12-27-2009 07:55 AM
Re: guns in the mail Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie Peter (Post 2095354) Well, legally, firearms can only be shipped between FFL's(Unless you're shipping it back to the manufacturer),but between individuals,it has to go between FFL's or I think if the firearm can be classified as an antique (>100 years old or something like that) individuals can ship without having to go through FFL's, and the USPS doesn't ship any firearms, gotta be a private carrier....someone chime in if this is incorrect
A Private person can ship a firearm to any FFL,you dont need to go to a FFL to ship to another FFL .UPS I think is about the only common carrier that will do this. also depends on State laws. some states have handgun laws that require a permit to hold. gunbroker.com has a section concerning these rules.

Squirrel Bait | 12-27-2009 10:41 AM
Re: guns in the mail What if you are mailing a firearm to yourself. s

StackerKen | 12-27-2009 10:49 AM
Re: guns in the mail Quote:
Originally Posted by Agfinger (Post 2095613) Handguns can be sent UPS, however, transferring a gun across state lines to another individual is illegal without going though an FFL....
So Are you saying that one can ship a handgun within the same state with UPS and no FFL dealer need to be involved? I can't find any thing on the UPS site

The Argent Dragon | 12-27-2009 11:49 AM
Re: guns in the mail Quote:
Originally Posted by traderken (Post 2095783) So Are you saying that one can ship a handgun within the same state with UPS and no FFL dealer need to be involved? I can't find any thing on the UPS site
Yep, an FFL (Federal) is only for transferring across state lines. Now, depending on your local laws there might be something else involved. With my C&R FFL, I've received several pistols via USPS mail (priority). Also received rifles via UPS in a box but I'm not even sure that they're aware of the contents although there is a signature required and you must be 18+ years of age.

johndoh | 12-27-2009 12:31 PM
Re: guns in the mail Ken, I believe you live in commifornia. If that's true, Cal DOJ wants you to fill out a form and pay a fee when a handgun is transfered between family members. http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/oplaw.pdf The url below is to a great place for Calif gun owners: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...splay.php?f=71

StackerKen | 12-27-2009 12:36 PM
Re: guns in the mail Quote:
Originally Posted by johndoh (Post 2095942) Ken, I believe you live in commifornia. If that's true, Cal DOJ wants you to fill out a form and pay a fee when a handgun is transfered between family members. http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/oplaw.pdf The url below is to a great place for Calif gun owners: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...splay.php?f=71
wow....just wow... that is frigin ridiculous Yeah I'll get right on that. thanks for the info.

CrufflerJJ | 12-27-2009 12:47 PM
Re: guns in the mail Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 2095878) With my C&R FFL, I've received several pistols via USPS mail (priority).
The shipper is taking a risk in doing that. USPS regs only permit a licensed "dealer" among others (NOT including C&R licensee collector) to ship pistols via Priority Mail. This is a real pain, since Priority Mail shipment is much cheaper than paying the "bend over & rape me since you can't control your thieving employees" rates of UPS & FedEX.

StackerKen | 12-27-2009 12:53 PM
Re: guns in the mail I don't wanna take any chances of losing this pistol. It has a lot of sentimental Value. 10 hours Driving isn't so Bad

johndoh | 12-27-2009 01:17 PM
Re: guns in the mail Quote:
Originally Posted by traderken (Post 2095949) wow....just wow... that is frigin ridiculous Yeah I'll get right on that. thanks for the info.
California has some good points, like weather, scenery, good chinese and mexican food. But, if ya want freedom, probably need to move to Alaska. I do recommend you spend some time on calguns site...good people there. Also, if you're in a charitable mood, check out the calguns foundation, they are trying to undo some of the stupid laws and help out good guys who get snared by them.

Willie Peter | 12-27-2009 02:12 PM
Re: guns in the mail Quote:
Originally Posted by Agfinger (Post 2095613) USPS will allow rifle and shotgun shipments, but NOT handguns...The rifles/shotguns must be unloaded and are subject to inspections, but can be mailed at your local PO. Handguns can be sent UPS, however, transferring a gun across state lines to another individual is illegal without going though an FFL....
Thanks for the corrections guys, I would ask one of the eggplants at the PO, but they'd probable open every package I ever mailed there after that, according to the USPS site, it looks like you can mail handguns, IF you qualify: "Mailability Requirements for Firearms Unloaded Handgun Handguns � e.g., pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person � are nonmailable UNLESS mailed by a licensed manufacturer of firearms, or a licensed dealer of firearms, or an authorized agent of the federal government or government of a state, territory, or district, and ONLY when addressed to a person in one of the following categories for use in the person�s official duties AND upon filing the required affidavit or certificate, as applicable (see DMM 601.11.1.3�7): Addressee: Officer of Army, Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, or Organized Reserve Corps. Affidavit or Certificate Requirements: Mailable with affidavit signed by addressee and certificate signed by the commanding officer. Addressee: Officer of National Guard or militia of a state, territory, or district. Affidavit or Certificate Requirements: Mailable with affidavit signed by addressee and certificate signed by the commanding officer. Addressee: Officer of the federal government or a state, district, or territory whose official duty is to serve warrants of arrest or commitment. Affidavit or Certificate Requirements: Mailable with affidavit signed by addressee and certificate signed by the head of the agency employing the addressee. Addressee: Postal Service employees specifically authorized by the Chief Postal Inspector. Affidavit or Certificate Requirements: Mailable with affidavit signed by addressee and certificate signed by the head of the agency employing the addressee. Addressee: Officer or employee of a U.S. enforcement agency. Affidavit or Certificate Requirements: Mailable with affidavit signed by addressee and certificate signed by the head of the agency employing the addressee. Addressee: Watchman engaged in guarding federal, state, district, or territory property. Affidavit or Certificate Requirements: Mailable with affidavit signed by addressee and certificate signed by chief clerk of department, bureau, or independent branch of the government agency employing the addressee. Addressee: Purchasing agent or other designated member of an enforcement agency employing officers and personnel included in c, d, or e above. Affidavit or Certificate Requirements: Mailable with affidavit signed by addressee and certificate signed by the head of agency stating the firearm is to be used by an officer or employee cited in c, d, or e above. Addressee: Licensed manufacturers and dealers of firearms. Affidavit or Certificate Requirements: Signed statement on PS Form 1508, Statement by Shipper of Firearms. The mailer must be a licensed manufacturer or dealer mailing to another licensed manufacturer or dealer. Handguns may be mailed without regard to the requirements noted in items a�h if the addressee is the FBI (or its Director) or a scientific lab or crime detection bureau of any agency whose members are federal law enforcement officers, or state, district, or territory officers authorized to serve warrants of arrest or commitment. Manufacturers or dealers must complete PS Form 1508, Statement by Shipper of Firearms, and file with the postmaster. Postmasters may forward an unsatisfactory mailer statement to their PCSC for a ruling. Unloaded Rifle or Shotgun Short-barreled rifles or shotguns that can be concealed on the person are nonmailable. The mailer must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968 and with state and local laws. The Postal Service may require the mailer to open the parcel or give written certification that the weapon is unloaded and not concealable. Registered Mail service is recommended. Unloaded Antique Firearm Unloaded antique firearms sent as curios or museum pieces are acceptable for mailing."

Agfinger | 12-27-2009 05:42 PM
Re: guns in the mail Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 2095878) Yep, an FFL (Federal) is only for transferring across state lines. Now, depending on your local laws there might be something else involved. With my C&R FFL, I've received several pistols via USPS mail (priority). Also received rifles via UPS in a box but I'm not even sure that they're aware of the contents although there is a signature required and you must be 18+ years of age.
Then they have violated USPS regulations... As I stated before Handguns are NOT mailable through the Postal Service...Anyone telling someone different is giving off the cuff legal advice that could wind someone up under Federal investigation... If someone has mailed handguns to through US Postal Service, they have violated Federal Postal regulations. When I had my FFL, I NEVER shipped any handguns with USPS because everyone knew it wasn't allowed. Look here: http://www.gunbroker.com/support/Sup...spx?faqid=1118 Read section "B8" that states that "handguns are not mailable" You have to use FedEx or UPS for handguns...

Willie Peter | 12-27-2009 07:29 PM
Re: guns in the mail Quote:
Originally Posted by Agfinger (Post 2096307) Then they have violated USPS regulations... As I stated before Handguns are NOT mailable through the Postal Service...Anyone telling someone different is giving off the cuff legal advice that could wind someone up under Federal investigation... If someone has mailed handguns to through US Postal Service, they have violated Federal Postal regulations. When I had my FFL, I NEVER shipped any handguns with USPS because everyone knew it wasn't allowed. Look here: http://www.gunbroker.com/support/Sup...spx?faqid=1118 Read section "B8" that states that "handguns are not mailable" You have to use FedEx or UPS for handguns...
I certainly don't know, I just pulled this off the USPS site: http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm Gunbroker says no handguns can be shipped via USPS, USPS says yes, IF you qualify, I guess it comes down to which one you want to beleive

Agfinger | 12-27-2009 07:56 PM
Re: guns in the mail Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie Peter (Post 2096504) I certainly don't know, I just pulled this off the USPS site: http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm Gunbroker says no handguns can be shipped via USPS, USPS says yes, IF you qualify, I guess it comes down to which one you want to beleive
USPS doesn't simply say "yes"....They say, a licensed dealer mailing to a licensed dealer after filing a PS Form 1508 with the local postmaster and then pending approval of that form MAY ship a handgun...That is not "C&R to C&R", but "dealer to dealer" pending USPS approval, (a C&R holder is not a "dealer")....BTW, No one gets "approval" if they ask... Forget it and use UPS...It's basically impossible with the Postal Service, They made that way to dissuade people from jumping through the hoops to possibly be approved to be able to use their "service" within a six month time frame.. Now understand why Gunbroker says what they say about USPS and handguns?

Willie Peter | 12-27-2009 09:05 PM
Re: guns in the mail Quote:
Originally Posted by Agfinger (Post 2096549) USPS doesn't simply say "yes"....They say, a licensed dealer mailing to a licensed dealer after filing a PS Form 1508 with the local postmaster and then pending approval of that form MAY ship a handgun...That is not "C&R to C&R", but "dealer to dealer" pending USPS approval, (a C&R holder is not a "dealer")....BTW, No one gets "approval" if they ask... Forget it and use UPS...It's basically impossible with the Postal Service, They made that way to dissuade people from jumping through the hoops to possibly be approved to be able to use their "service" within a six month time frame.. Now understand why Gunbroker says what they say about USPS and handguns?
I agree, the USPS makes it if not impossible, a very long shot to ship handguns, but I didn't see anything that says they don't ship handguns...

teedub31 | 12-28-2009 01:12 PM
Re: guns in the mail Just my experience (recently). Picked up a Marlin .22 cal auto rifle from Cabela's. The action is not cycling correctly out of box. Called Marlin, and the said to ship it back in to repair/replacement. Stopped into USPS and the clerk said all firearms had to be shipped through a FFL. Correct?? I don't know. But the gun only cost $99 and the local guy with a FFL I talked to wanted $25 for him + shipping and insurance. Gun is still in the safe. Now if sending back to a manfacture can be done without getting a FFL involved, then great. Just appreciate some clarification on that one.

Willie Peter | 12-28-2009 01:26 PM
Re: guns in the mail Quote:
Originally Posted by teedub31 (Post 2097376) Just my experience (recently). Picked up a Marlin .22 cal auto rifle from Cabela's. The action is not cycling correctly out of box. Called Marlin, and the said to ship it back in to repair/replacement. Stopped into USPS and the clerk said all firearms had to be shipped through a FFL. Correct?? I don't know. But the gun only cost $99 and the local guy with a FFL I talked to wanted $25 for him + shipping and insurance. Gun is still in the safe. Now if sending back to a manfacture can be done without getting a FFL involved, then great. Just appreciate some clarification on that one.
I've shipped a rifle back to the manufacturer via UPS, no problems, I think in most cases, you can ship back to the manufacturer, but if you're shipping to an individual or another dealer, I think that has to go FFL>>>FFL, the PO will and does ship firearms but the hoops you have to jump through aren't worth it, ship with UPS,they probably ship more firearms than anyone * Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to call the manufacturer and get some type of Return Autorization Code

eat_beef | 12-28-2009 02:54 PM
Re: guns in the mail You don't need an ffl to ship a rifle, only to recieve one from out of state (that's in free-ish states, I'm sure in CA and NY you have to smash a testicle with a hammer or something to get it done there, but I digress..). This is the law, but some FFLs are either too stupid or corrupt to recieve from individuals. Don't deal with them, find someone who knows what's going on, you'll be money ahead in the long run. To ship to a mfg or gunsmith for repair, you can send it straight to them, and they send it straight back to you. You should contact the mfg and have them issue you a return tag. There's absolutely no way I'd pay to send the rifle back, it's there fault it left the factory messed up.

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