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JJ_ | 11-03-2008 10:01 AM
HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) We had a veritable slaughter house running this weekend :s9: Not a bad weekend... except for the 6 hours spent butchering... man that's hard work. I took the hog Friday Night. https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/mya...d6f84ce3c.jpeg http://goldismoney.info/forums/pictu...&pictureid=284 My FIL took the Deer Saturday Morning. https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/mya...1f5565c9f.jpeg BIG deer for these parts... hanging pic for perspective http://goldismoney.info/forums/pictu...&pictureid=285 This is how we clean em' - Neck shot wastes the least amount of meat- and lays em' down where they stand.- String him up, skin him and cut the succulant flesh away... Did the hog the same way... The dang backstraps on this fella were over 24" http://goldismoney.info/forums/pictu...&pictureid=286

WeedMonger | 11-03-2008 10:08 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) There's 2 basic types of men in this world. Hunters Gatherers I am the latter but have great respect for the hunter. Afterall, how could I make my stew without your meat? :coolbeer:

ruprick | 11-03-2008 10:10 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) I think you live down south... No disrespect meant....nice kills.....wish we had wild hogs. Your deer have nice racks....but they are no where as big a our Michigan deer. I've noticed the same thing from a friend in NC..... Wonder why....lot longer seasons to find food ...easier winters.....why smaller? I'd figure they would be as big as a house due to easier conditions.

stranger | 11-03-2008 10:14 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Congrats JJ. Do you bone out the hindquarters while they're hanging on the gambrel? We started doing that several years ago and I love it. Makes freezing and cooking much easier than dealing with a bone in hq. In fact, unless I'm keeping the ribs, I never even gut one. Wild hog or deer. I'll skin 'em out, take off the shoulders, then the backstraps, bone out the hindquaters, and cut down the belly far enough to get the tenderloins without ever dropping the guts. How long do you age your meat, or do you soak it before freezing? Got a big bodied six and a doe this bow season so far, and would like to get a couple more in the freezer before our rifle season starts. Haven't got down in hog country yet this season, but me and my boy will be heading down there shortly. Took three nice hogs out in west Tx back in the spring, along with my sons' first Rio Grande gobbler. Again, congrats on the score.

JJ_ | 11-03-2008 10:18 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) - no problem w/ that Monger - Luv me some stew... But I don't mind pickin berries either!:biggrin: Ya Rupric... we're in TX.. not far from Houston. - -did the shorts give it away?:biggrin: The deer up north DO get huge... and actually this deer- while of respectable weight and rack is a poor example of how big they get farther South and West. That Hog is built like a cedar log... Compact - tough and HEAVY.. We figured him at about 200-225 The deer was ~250lbs... I need to find a hangin scale to put out there.

JJ_ | 11-03-2008 10:30 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by stranger (Post 1394022) Congrats JJ. Do you bone out the hindquarters while they're hanging on the gambrel? We started doing that several years ago and I love it. Makes freezing and cooking much easier than dealing with a bone in hq. In fact, unless I'm keeping the ribs, I never even gut one. Wild hog or deer. I'll skin 'em out, take off the shoulders, then the backstraps, bone out the hindquaters, and cut down the belly far enough to get the tenderloins without ever dropping the guts. How long do you age your meat, or do you soak it before freezing? Got a big bodied six and a doe this bow season so far, and would like to get a couple more in the freezer before our rifle season starts. Haven't got down in hog country yet this season, but me and my boy will be heading down there shortly. Took three nice hogs out in west Tx back in the spring, along with my sons' first Rio Grande gobbler. Again, congrats on the score.
Thx Stranger- I have cut the meat off the bone like that before. The last several years though, we have just been cuttin the quarters off, loins, backstraps, ect- throw em on ice and haul them to the processing plant where we get our sausage made. its jsut a 30 minute drive for us so we just take it the same day. But you're right- doing it that way does make for some clean meat. Last year, I strung my Buck up on the singletree and gutted him - Basicly field dressed him- put a 5gal bucket below ta catch the guts. threw him in the bed of the truck and iced the carcass down - Hauled him to the meatmarket and let them do the rest... The hog- I did Soak overnight- we completely butchered that one - we even ate ribs Saturday afternoon... they were a lil stringy - but excellent flavor. But ya - the overnight icewater bath ran most of the blood out. I Gave the rest of the hog meat to my FIL to use for his sausage. congrats on your harvests as well and whatcha mean by "ageing" meat?- I figure its good nuff ta eat soon as you run the blood out.

stranger | 11-03-2008 10:45 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1394048) ...and whatcha mean by "ageing" meat?- I figure its good nuff ta eat soon as you run the blood out.
Hehe...I do that with a doe or young buck, but I'll generally soak my deer out for at least two days, changing ice and water every day. The club I hunt with has a walk-in cooler, and if I'm not butchering and soaking right away, I'll hang the skinned and gutted deer for two or three days to age the meat. We do our own processing; sausage, ground meat, and smoked summer sausage, so it's not really a big deal for us to have a couple deer hanging while we're working out previously killed animals.

EE_ | 11-03-2008 10:48 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Can I have the backstraps off that dear.:tongue_ma: You can keep the smelly beast. :-)

ruprick | 11-03-2008 10:51 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) I do not age my deer meet up here in Michigan either.....in bow season it is still warm sometimes....today will oddly reach near 70!!! By our Nov 15 gun season...it is staying fairly cool/cold.....so we just field dress and do not even skin...no ice...just hang and try to get to processor in a day or so....only costs $65 and it is the same place we have our sausage made. The processor cuts them up right away most of the time...last year he hung my monster buck for 3 days in the cooler...I could not tell much diff from my previous deer that was cut up same day as it was shot. I took the back straps off a road killed deer about a month ago....ate then that same day...they were fantastic! I carry a few tools and clean up supplies in the car this time of year....just in case I see a fresh road kill. Easy to get the backstraps out.... I shot a 5 point with the bow earlier this fall....and I still want to get another buck....and if all else fails will take a doe. I going to have the hind quarters of the next deer turned into hams...they will remove the bone, cure and smoke the deer hams (fully cooked)...I understand they are awesome...so......MUST KILL AGAIN!

teedub31 | 11-03-2008 11:35 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1394035) - no problem w/ that Monger - Luv me some stew... But I don't mind pickin berries either!:biggrin: Ya Rupric... we're in TX.. not far from Houston. - -did the shorts give it away?:biggrin: The deer up north DO get huge... and actually this deer- while of respectable weight and rack is a poor example of how big they get farther South and West. That Hog is built like a cedar log... Compact - tough and HEAVY.. We figured him at about 200-225 The deer was ~250lbs... I need to find a hangin scale to put out there.
Do you have all your deer weighed??? All of ours are weighed on certified scales in Indiana. I think you would be surprised once you get them weighed. An absolute brusier in Indiana that would score B&C 160, might field dress 225 (4.5+ yr old). That deer in the pic weighed no more then 160lbs feild dressed. Way to young (maybe 2.5 yr old) based on limited facial features, muscle development in shoulders and general lack of mass in the antlers. It has just been my experience that people don't do a very good job at judging deer weight. Case in point my neighbor wanted me to come see his 8pt he got last week that "weighed" 200 lbs. I got a look at it and thought "yeah right". He was disappointed to later find out it weighed 140. Don't get me wrong, the number doesn't mean all that much to me unless the rack scores 140 net inches, which is dam hard to do.

teedub31 | 11-03-2008 11:40 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1394016) I think you live down south... No disrespect meant....nice kills.....wish we had wild hogs. Your deer have nice racks....but they are no where as big a our Michigan deer. I've noticed the same thing from a friend in NC..... Wonder why....lot longer seasons to find food ...easier winters.....why smaller? I'd figure they would be as big as a house due to easier conditions.
The heat is what actually keeps their size down. Mass generates heat. Heat is your friend in the cold north. Not so much in the sweltering south. It is a phenomena scene all over. check out bear sizes from the north to south. Same for elk and moose. Bigger is better the farther north you go.

specsaregood | 11-03-2008 12:12 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by teedub31 (Post 1394193) The heat is what actually keeps their size down. Mass generates heat. Heat is your friend in the cold north. Not so much in the sweltering south. It is a phenomena scene all over. check out bear sizes from the north to south. Same for elk and moose. Bigger is better the farther north you go.
And it even gets to the extreme: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_deer Quote:
Adult males (known as bucks) usually weigh from 25 to 34 kg (55 to 75 pounds) and stand about 76 cm (30 inches) tall at the shoulder. Adult females (does) usually weigh between 20 to 29 kg (45 and 65 pounds) and have an average height of 66 cm (26 inches) at the shoulders
They are great swimmers though. It's fun to watch them swim between the islands.

JJ_ | 11-03-2008 12:26 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by teedub31 (Post 1394178) Do you have all your deer weighed??? All of ours are weighed on certified scales in Indiana. I think you would be surprised once you get them weighed. An absolute brusier in Indiana that would score B&C 160, might field dress 225 (4.5+ yr old). That deer in the pic weighed no more then 160lbs feild dressed. Way to young (maybe 2.5 yr old) based on limited facial features, muscle development in shoulders and general lack of mass in the antlers. It has just been my experience that people don't do a very good job at judging deer weight. Case in point my neighbor wanted me to come see his 8pt he got last week that "weighed" 200 lbs. I got a look at it and thought "yeah right". He was disappointed to later find out it weighed 140. Don't get me wrong, the number doesn't mean all that much to me unless the rack scores 140 net inches, which is dam hard to do.
uhhh naw we didn't - thought I made it clear that we were guessing.. We're meat hunters... numbers don't mean much to us. and you're right - it don't matter to us much. We're just happy to have plenty of game on our place. - and not have to pay for the privlidge of hunting it..

Camp Bassfish | 11-03-2008 12:47 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) If you don't gut them you can't get the inside loins???

JJ_ | 11-03-2008 01:01 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) who said they didn't gut 'em? Who are ya referring to? We gut ours.

Camp Bassfish | 11-03-2008 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by stranger (Post 1394022) In fact, unless I'm keeping the ribs, I never even gut one.
Oops, it was stranger that doesn't gut them. Missing out on the poison sacks is a big no-no. :bear_thumb:

stranger | 11-03-2008 01:26 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by Camp Bassfish (Post 1394319) If you don't gut them you can't get the inside loins???
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1394356) who said they didn't gut 'em? Who are ya referring to? We gut ours.
Maybe referring to me... Quote:
Originally Posted by stranger (Post 1394022) In fact, unless I'm keeping the ribs, I never even gut one. .
But I did qualify that by saying; Quote:
Originally Posted by stranger (Post 1394022) Wild hog or deer. I'll skin 'em out, take off the shoulders, then the backstraps, bone out the hindquaters, and cut down the belly far enough to get the tenderloins without ever dropping the guts.
Like I say, we only do it if we aren't keeping the ribs. It's not real hard once you do it a couple times. Start at the pelvis and carefully cut back the muscle layer towards the ribcage (along the inside of the hindquarters) until you can get at the tenderloins. Releasing the muscle tissue will cause the guts to fall forward, exposing the spinal column and inside loins. You can remove them while the guts are still encased in the ribcage, and with all the other tasty bits removed, you can lower the remainder of the carcass right into the gut bucket, no muss, no fuss.

Iptuous | 11-03-2008 01:30 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Nice, man! congrats! I didn't get sh!t this weekend. :( oh well.... next time.

Camp Bassfish | 11-03-2008 01:31 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by stranger (Post 1394399) Maybe referring to me... But I did qualify that by saying; Like I say, we only do it if we aren't keeping the ribs. It's not real hard once you do it a couple times. Start at the pelvis and carefully cut back the muscle layer towards the ribcage (along the inside of the hindquarters) until you can get at the tenderloins. Releasing the muscle tissue will cause the guts to fall forward, exposing the spinal column and inside loins. You can remove them while the guts are still encased in the ribcage, and with all the other tasty bits removed, you can lower the remainder of the carcass right into the gut bucket, no muss, no fuss.
I'm going to have to give that a try this year. Now that we have 4 wheelers to haul them out with, it's more doable. Otherwise gutting them saves you a good amount of extra drag weight. Thanks for the tip!

stranger | 11-03-2008 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Camp Bassfish (Post 1394411) I'm going to have to give that a try this year. Now that we have 4 wheelers to haul them out with, it's more doable. Otherwise gutting them saves you a good amount of extra drag weight. Thanks for the tip!
Definitely -- If I'm way back in the woods, or it's going to take a while before I get to a skinning rack, they all get field dressed. But if they are recoverable with minimal dragging, I really like doing it that way.

JJ_ | 11-03-2008 01:43 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) this is next weekend's agenda: bastards... http://goldismoney.info/forums/pictu...&pictureid=287

teedub31 | 11-03-2008 01:54 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Never hunted hogs so don't know what kinda problems they cause, but it seems to me that feeding them only compounds the problem:wink::wink::wink:.

blueice | 11-03-2008 01:57 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Could you please black-out the faces of these poor victims.

JJ_ | 11-03-2008 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by teedub31 (Post 1394447) Never hunted hogs so don't know what kinda problems they cause, but it seems to me that feeding them only compounds the problem:wink::wink::wink:.
That IS the problem! - We're trying to fatten up these poor pathetic sickly DEER!!!!:wink: Hogs are opportunists but they'd still be a problem on account of the Oaks and especially Pecans...

stranger | 11-03-2008 02:04 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Niiiiiice...we just got a Bai...WILDLIFE ENRICHMENT...ting law in MS. Tho' it's geared more towards enriching manufacturers of "supplements" than it is for attracting and keeping wildlife. Only certain types of feeders, at certain times of the year, and must contain certain percentages of protein feeds, must be 100 yds from any property line, and 100yds distant and out of the line of sight from a hunter. I mostly hunt hardwood bottoms and planted foodplots. Planted my bottomland in hardwoods 9 yrs ago when we got the place, my great uncle and cousins have had theirs for probably 15 yrs(already producing mast), and my dad's place has been planted for about 4 yrs now. Hoping another 10 years or so will find me living in a hunters' paradise. Farmland and timber company pines all around me, and between myself, my dad, and my cousins, we'll have the only measurable stand of hardwoods in a single block for miles. Between the family, it's nearly a square mile of hardwood timberland, though it's an elongated tract. We don't have hogs here...yet. But I do get down to Delta Nat'l Forest in S MS a couple times a year for a long weekend hog hunt. We also try to get out to some friends in TX at least once a year and blast some pork.

JJ_ | 11-03-2008 02:51 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) aww man... Don't call that baiting. It's Wildlife Enrichment.:wink:

stranger | 11-03-2008 03:17 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1394516) aww man... Don't call that baiting. It's Wildlife Enrichment.:wink:
Mea Culpa, my friend. I merely meant that I admire your application of biologically intensive wildlife inducement products...:wink::wink: Here's hopin' a bunch of them porkers succumb to lead poisoning this year... EDIT -- fixed it for you bud!

JohnPA | 11-03-2008 04:07 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Pennsylvania just declared open season on feral pigs with a valid hunting license. Seems they are spreading all over the state...... JPA

citizenkane | 11-03-2008 04:20 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) I've only hunted wild boar once... probably never again. Didnt listen my friend when he instructed me to go for the foreleg first. He said at least 5 times.... "remember aim for a front leg shot" Whatever...a head shot will take down anything was my thought. so up comes mister hog, I aim, nice head shot, I'm happy, pleased as punch until I notice all I did was piss the bugger off. lets just say frantic downrange fire commenced as mister hog was on his way to confer his unhappiness with my choice of interupting his meal. scary..

hystckndle | 11-03-2008 04:39 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Hey JJ, Nice ones !!! Work buddy took 6 hogs and a deer this last weekend. Gonna take a cooler he left me today home to the Mrs Haystack tonight. Mmmmmm...Mmmmmmm. Regards,

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specsaregood | 11-03-2008 04:45 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnPA (Post 1394617) Pennsylvania just declared open season on feral pigs with a valid hunting license. Seems they are spreading all over the state...... JPA
Just yesterday I was driving on I-95 in NJ and saw what I coulda sworn was a feral pig carcass on the side of the road. I almost pulled over to make sure. I didn't think there were any in NJ. Instead I searched when I got home and found: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=95222951 Quote:
"All Things Considered, September 30, 2008 � Rural parts of New Jersey are having trouble with wild hogs. The feral pigs root up lawns and golf courses. Biologists are trying to trap the feral pigs so they won't spread disease to livestock and want to contain the wild hogs' population. "

JJ_ | 11-03-2008 04:58 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) WOW - i had no idea they had spread so far North... I'd have guessed as far North as VA... but wow -- NJ?! These critters are givin rabbits a run for their money

Darkside | 11-03-2008 05:32 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Do you use this tool on them? Called a "Butt Out": http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1168/...ad9e2746_o.jpg :biggrin:

JJ_ | 11-03-2008 07:35 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkside (Post 1394804) Do you use this tool on them? Called a "Butt Out": http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1168/...ad9e2746_o.jpg :biggrin:
NNNnnOOOOOOO way... That thing looks like trouble!

Caligula | 11-03-2008 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Darkside (Post 1394804) Do you use this tool on them? Called a "Butt Out": http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1168/...ad9e2746_o.jpg :biggrin:
That's the funniest thing I've ever seen. :rofl::cry1: To think....someone retired on that invention....

Willie Peter | 11-03-2008 07:56 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1394035) - no problem w/ that Monger - Luv me some stew... But I don't mind pickin berries either!:biggrin: Ya Rupric... we're in TX.. not far from Houston. - -did the shorts give it away?:biggrin: The deer up north DO get huge... and actually this deer- while of respectable weight and rack is a poor example of how big they get farther South and West. That Hog is built like a cedar log... Compact - tough and HEAVY.. We figured him at about 200-225 The deer was ~250lbs... I need to find a hangin scale to put out there.
JJ, whatcha shooting 'em with? shotgun? rifle? we got 'em here, but they're probably meaner...whatcha think? http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2784/hogggi7.jpg

Mike C | 11-03-2008 08:40 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) I get my deer with no gun at all, just drive down the local interstate at about 70 mph in the early morning hours. We have one hit nearly every day within a 5 mile radius this time of year.

Worldmariner | 11-03-2008 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1394276) uhhh naw we didn't - thought I made it clear that we were guessing.. We're meat hunters... numbers don't mean much to us. and you're right - it don't matter to us much. We're just happy to have plenty of game on our place. - and not have to pay for the privlidge of hunting it..
"Brown is down!" as we used to say when I was hunting back in my 20's! Racks never did mean much to me, but maybe someone can give me an estimate on point score on this rack. I found it in South Florida, believe it or not. Migrated from "up north".

Ag_man | 11-03-2008 08:55 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by teedub31 (Post 1394193) The heat is what actually keeps their size down. Mass generates heat. Heat is your friend in the cold north. Not so much in the sweltering south. It is a phenomena scene all over. check out bear sizes from the north to south. Same for elk and moose. Bigger is better the farther north you go.
Thanks for the explanation, I've always wondered about that.

Worldmariner | 11-03-2008 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1395073) NNNnnOOOOOOO way... That thing looks like trouble!
I don't know if I should be amazed, horrified, or what!? But, I must say, I can't stop laughin'! What sick bastard thought up THAT tool?!?!?!?

Worldmariner | 11-03-2008 09:02 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkside (Post 1394804) Do you use this tool on them? Called a "Butt Out": http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1168/...ad9e2746_o.jpg :biggrin:
I can't figure it out... How do you get the deer to hold still while you ram that thing home?! *LAUGH*

JJ_ | 11-03-2008 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Worldmariner (Post 1395273) I don't know if I should be amazed, horrified, or what!? But, I must say, I can't stop laughin'! What sick bastard thought up THAT tool?!?!?!?
I'm thinkin an ancient chinese torturemaster

ruprick | 11-03-2008 09:27 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by teedub31 (Post 1394178) Do you have all your deer weighed??? All of ours are weighed on certified scales in Indiana. I think you would be surprised once you get them weighed. An absolute brusier in Indiana that would score B&C 160, might field dress 225 (4.5+ yr old). That deer in the pic weighed no more then 160lbs feild dressed. Way to young (maybe 2.5 yr old) based on limited facial features, muscle development in shoulders and general lack of mass in the antlers. It has just been my experience that people don't do a very good job at judging deer weight. Case in point my neighbor wanted me to come see his 8pt he got last week that "weighed" 200 lbs. I got a look at it and thought "yeah right". He was disappointed to later find out it weighed 140. Don't get me wrong, the number doesn't mean all that much to me unless the rack scores 140 net inches, which is dam hard to do.
Agree.....I did not want to sound critical...but I was thinking about 150 to 160 dressed.....I shot a 200 lb dressed deer last year.....it was a monster. I used the guy in your photo next to the hung deer as a scale...he might be 250!

ruprick | 11-03-2008 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Worldmariner (Post 1395273) I don't know if I should be amazed, horrified, or what!? But, I must say, I can't stop laughin'! What sick bastard thought up THAT tool?!?!?!?
Barney Frank.....

extremist | 11-04-2008 08:20 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldmariner (Post 1395273) I don't know if I should be amazed, horrified, or what!? But, I must say, I can't stop laughin'! What sick bastard thought up THAT tool?!?!?!?
Something similar, but more resembling a metal hook, was used for drawing & quartering. Extra points for the torturer if he could draw the victim's intestines through the anus without much blood leakage (while the victim remained conscious, of course).

JJ_ | 11-04-2008 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1395328) Agree.....I did not want to sound critical...but I was thinking about 150 to 160 dressed.....I shot a 200 lb dressed deer last year.....it was a monster. I used the guy in your photo next to the hung deer as a scale...he might be 250!
He weighs 280.. always reminds me he's workin on that...The deer might weigh 200- live weight. The estimates were live weight GUESSES.. we didnt dress them until hangin. It's good to know that you fella's can give more accurate numbers by looikn at pics:biggrin: :36_1_32v:

ruprick | 11-04-2008 10:25 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Comments on Venison Summer Sausage and other tasty things to do with deer: I had some interesting Summer Sausage made this year.....the sausage maker put pepper jack cheese in with the sausage.....very good but spicy....you better like hot stuff. The meat is very moist with the cheese added in...should stay moist longer. I cut all the "sausage logs" in half and vacuum sealed...so they last pretty much forever in the freezer until ready to eat. I also had last years deer burger that was left over and a few other deer cuts made into just plain summer sausage this fall.....tastes as good as sausage made from fresh meat. The next deer I kill.....I'm going to have the rear quarters turned into smoked hams. They will remove the bone, cure and smoke (fully cooked).....only costs $17 per ham to have this done....I understsand they are fantastic..... How do those hogs taste? I love pork....I'd have to shoot about a half dozen of those little bastards a year.....do they taste like a farm hog? Are they lean? Much fat? Gamey? I understand a few captive "wild hogs" got loose from a game farm up here in mid Michigan and the DNR says kill them on sight if we see any....so, we may have hog hunting up here given a bit of time.....All it takes is a few to get 'em going.... Back in 1986 the DNR released a few dozen wild turkeys from down south somewhere like Texas or Arkansas...and some from Penn up here in MI...about 20 miles from where i live....now we see them all over the state.....it is impressive how quickly they spread.

stranger | 11-04-2008 10:43 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) I like to make the summer sausage with diced jalapeno and sharp cheddar. The kids can't take the heat, so I only do a few logs for myself, but I think it's fantastic. In my experience, there is a difference between wil hogs and farm raised pork; not nearly as fatty and a little gamier(sp?). Probably depends on what they are eating, and most of ours are taken over corn or soybean fields, so they might be a bit more "tame" tasting than forest foraging hogs. Dunno for other places. Smaller hogs (less than 100lbs) make good meat hogs, and there will be less difference between them and regular pork. I have shot big boars, and had them smell so strongly of musk that I scrapped the whole hog. RE: Turkeys. Probably my favorite and most challenging sporting pursuit. Can't tell you how many times I've had an animal with a brain the size of a walnut make me look a completely foolish. Spring turkey season is an addiction for me.

JJ_ | 11-04-2008 10:54 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Like I said - I BBQ'd a side of that Hog's ribs the very next day.... he hadn't been dead 12 hrs and was on the pit. Very lean... a bit gamey... Definately not "the other white meat" and lots of gristle. Picking around the gristle and bones... There was some TASTY meat. I cooked it slow and low for 6 hours... I might kill one more of the smaller hogs to process... That Boar was tough- the majority of what's left of him is gonna be sausage. oh and he was a bit musky... not bad. OH BTW-- are any of those OTHER hogs in that game cam pic less than 100 lbs????:biggrin::biggrin:

JJ_ | 11-04-2008 11:01 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldmariner (Post 1395259) "Brown is down!" as we used to say when I was hunting back in my 20's! Racks never did mean much to me, but maybe someone can give me an estimate on point score on this rack. I found it in South Florida, believe it or not. Migrated from "up north".
GOOD Lord man!!! -- I don't even know where ta START! Frankly- I'd really rather know what YOU scored her.

stranger | 11-04-2008 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1396223) OH BTW-- are any of those OTHER hogs in that game cam pic less than 100 lbs????:biggrin::biggrin:
Hehehehe...I definitely ain't the go to guy for guesstimating weight on the hoof. Usually find it much easier to "ground check" 'em myself... For what it's worth JJ, you inspired me. Talked to my friend who has a cabin right off the Natl' Forest, and we're planning a hog hunting trip down there in two weeks. Opening weekend of youth rifle season for us here, so hopefully my boy can burn some powder.

JJ_ | 11-04-2008 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by stranger (Post 1396348) For what it's worth JJ, you inspired me. Talked to my friend who has a cabin right off the Natl' Forest, and we're planning a hog hunting trip down there in two weeks. Opening weekend of youth rifle season for us here, so hopefully my boy can burn some powder.
SWEET! Good luck w/ it... Eradication hunt? or meat? If the former... a few words of advice - Big bore semi-auto. I was using a bolt action... I couldda took down at least one more had I been shootin a semi-auto. After I took that shot, of course they scattered and as they did I was chambering another round - got a bead on one just as it was running into the brush.... I didn't shoot as I lost the target. The Boar made a semi circle - ran quartering away then turned and ran right towards me and crashed about 15 yards in front of me.... what a rush!:biggrin:

stranger | 11-04-2008 12:25 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1396380) SWEET! Good luck w/ it... Eradication hunt? or meat?
Little of column A, little of column B... Only prob w/big bore is that it's youth only. I can't use a rifle until the Sat before Thanksgiving. My boy is too young to handle much larger than a youth .243, and I bought a TC encore single shot in .223 for him last year. He's taken a couple of deer and a hog with it. For me it'll be bow only, I usually hang a climber on a pipeline right of way that passes through a corner of the Delta Natl and some large cornfields near the cabin we use. I have arrowed several from the same tree in the past few years. For him, we'll have to set up a ground blind around a couple of oxbow sloughs the hogs use as midday wallows. Both have been productive for us. Just have to do some quick scouting and set up. I'll get to hunt by myself in the early morning and late evening. He and I will do some squirrel hunting and set up on the wallows during the day.

Zilver | 11-04-2008 12:53 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) . OMG! ...... you killed Bambi ...:favorites21:

JJ_ | 11-06-2008 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Willie Peter (Post 1395120) JJ, whatcha shooting 'em with? shotgun? rifle? we got 'em here, but they're probably meaner...whatcha think? http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2784/hogggi7.jpg
I threw a rock at em...:sarcasm:

JJ_ | 11-10-2008 09:47 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) UPDATE: Man I hate hogs... I estimate as of Friday evening.. We've still got 20+ running around. :36_1_28:As of Saturday night, 16:devil_smile::5_1_120: Gutshot 2 Friday night w/ the AR. This one here had 5 piglets. I would have gut shot her too but I laid her down where she was w/ a heartshot on the trot. I figgered the lil pigs would come back to momma... they did. I got at least one of them. I know it's kinda sad .. But these lil buggers are SO destructive and they are running my deer off. http://goldismoney.info/forums/pictu...&pictureid=297

ruprick | 11-10-2008 09:58 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Glad to see you are raising the boy on a fine tradition of hunting....we need many more like him....all the kids in my neighborhood play sports and video games....I've asked them if they want to go hunting...not interest..... My boy is 5.5 so he is starting to go out with me a little.....I also took my little 4 year old girl up into my tree stand/platform.....she was there when we shot a buck with the bow this year......she is now my "little hunting good luck charm" as she likes to remind me all the time now!

hystckndle | 11-10-2008 10:01 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Hello JJ, AWESOME photos.!!! We had a great cooking episode on Saturday, have you had any of your hogs yet ?? I will add a photo later. Regards, Haystackneedle

Lt Dan | 11-10-2008 10:24 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) At the last GPAA chapter meeting here in southern Ohio, one of the members asked if anyone wanted to come hunt boar and deer on their property. I got her name and location of the property and my wife and I went for a visit. I didn't go off into the woods but saw that it would be a good hunting place. I haven't decided on what gun to take for the boar yet, thinking M1A or one of my Swedes. We did check around and found some public land backs up to this property that looks like easier access if the creek is not too high. I don't really have a scoped bolt gun as this state is shotgun only for deer. Funny thing about hunting boar, the state will allow us to use any shotgun/handgun/rifle/bow or crossbow for boar, but no rifles for deer.

JJ_ | 11-10-2008 10:33 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1407977) Glad to see you are raising the boy on a fine tradition of hunting....we need many more like him....all the kids in my neighborhood play sports and video games....I've asked them if they want to go hunting...not interest.....
Yeah� He loves to go �Up the Country� as we call it. He�s 6. Al though he wasn�t with me when I shot these pigs this time, -He was at the house- I did take him w/ me on Saturday morning and he did real good. He sat still just glassin the woods for 2 hrs� Then he looked at me and his eyes got REAL big - whispers �Daddy! I gotta go to the BATHROOM!� I told him to crawl down and go behind that tree over there.. � NO Dad � I gotta POOP!!� We had to go back to the house L Quote:
Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1407977) My boy is 5.5 so he is starting to go out with me a little.....I also took my little 4 year old girl up into my tree stand/platform.....she was there when we shot a buck with the bow this year......she is now my "little hunting good luck charm" as she likes to remind me all the time now!
I can�t wait to get My lil gir out. She�s 2.5 and cute as a button. Quote:
Originally Posted by hystckndle (Post 1407989) Hello JJ, AWESOME photos.!!! We had a great cooking episode on Saturday, have you had any of your hogs yet ?? I will add a photo later. Regards, Haystackneedle
Thanks - I BBQ'd some Venison tenderloins and sausage on Saturday. I Did Porkribs the Saturday before that. We didn't Butcher this particular hog... She was very poor as she had just weened or was in the process of weening her piglets. This was strictly a pest control mission. Just brought here back to the house to show the Boy.. he wanted pics. :) What Did you all cook?

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JJ_ | 11-10-2008 10:34 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Dan (Post 1408021) Funny thing about hunting boar, the state will allow us to use any shotgun/handgun/rifle/bow or crossbow for boar, but no rifles for deer.
Here in TX- we don't even have a Season for Hogs... Any Time - Any Method.

Lt Dan | 11-10-2008 11:29 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1408039) Here in TX- we don't even have a Season for Hogs... Any Time - Any Method.
That's true here too, except during deer gun season we must be carrying what is legal for deer, so no rifles during deer gun season. Same is true during black powder season, only bows or black powder guns during that season. If you go into the woods to hunt during and deer gun season you are restricted to only carry what is legal for that season. The rest of the year, anything goes for boar. One other thing, we are allowed to carry our CCW weapon, but are not allowed to use it for anything but self defense, can't use it to finish off an animal that is wounded.

JJ_ | 11-10-2008 11:32 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Dan (Post 1408133) That's true here too, except during deer gun season we must be carrying what is legal for deer, so no rifles during deer gun season....
MAN I love Texas... http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publicat...al/hunt/means/ Means and Methods Firearms Game animals and game birds may be hunted with any legal firearm, EXCEPT: white-tailed deer, mule deer, desert bighorn sheep, and pronghorn antelope may NOT be hunted with rimfire ammunition of any caliber. shotguns are the only legal firearm that may be used to hunt Eastern turkey during the spring Eastern turkey season (see County Listing). Rifles and handguns may not be used to hunt Eastern turkey. pellet guns and other air guns are NOT LEGAL. fully automatic firearms are NOT LEGAL. firearms equipped with silencers or sound-suppressing devices are NOT LEGAL. a shotgun is the only legal firearm for hunting migratory game birds and lesser prairie chicken (see Definitions - Legal Shotgun). Nongame Animals (Non-Protected): Any lawful firearm, pellet gun, or other air gun is legal. Magazine Capacity (number of shells/cartridges allowed): There are no restrictions on the number of shells or cartridges a legal firearm may hold when hunting game animals or game birds (except migratory game birds, see Legal Shotgun). :565:

Willie Peter | 11-10-2008 11:38 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1401270) I threw a rock at em...:sarcasm:
LOL...thought maybe you might use a sling slot.....what do you think of this hog in the picture?

InfantryNCO | 11-10-2008 11:41 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldmariner (Post 1395259) "Brown is down!" as we used to say when I was hunting back in my 20's! Racks never did mean much to me, but maybe someone can give me an estimate on point score on this rack. I found it in South Florida, believe it or not. Migrated from "up north".
Ha. "That's a MAN, baby!" :4_1_72: How drunk were you?

JJ_ | 11-10-2008 11:48 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie Peter (Post 1408147) .....what do you think of this hog in the picture?
It's big as a bulldozer. _________

hystckndle | 11-10-2008 05:52 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) 2 Attachment(s) ................

Camp Bassfish | 11-11-2008 07:14 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by hystckndle (Post 1408961) ................
Damn!! It's early morning, but I think I'm going to the fridge to slice a piece off the pork loin I cooked on the spit last night!! Nice pic!

JJ_ | 11-11-2008 10:07 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by hystckndle (Post 1408961) ................
THAT looks beautiful! *sigh* I love food :tongue_ma: Venison Backstrap, and Sausage... Sirloins and Asparagus.... This is why I hunt:10_1_20: http://goldismoney.info/forums/pictu...&pictureid=314

hystckndle | 11-11-2008 10:25 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1410107) THAT looks beautiful! *sigh* I love food :tongue_ma: Venison Backstrap, and Sausage... Sirloins and Asparagus.... This is why I hunt:10_1_20: http://goldismoney.info/forums/pictu...&pictureid=314
" Ohhh.....Tease Me !!! " :biggrin: Regards, Haystackneedle

JJ_ | 11-11-2008 10:41 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) you started it:tongue_ma: :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin: Man.. It'd be Sweet to have a GIM cook out... Gotta be a Lotta good cooks here!

ruprick | 11-11-2008 10:41 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Scored some more fresh backstraps off a road kill a few days ago....wife was driving home from dropping our little girl off at pre-school....said she saw the police are at car-deer accident.....I jumped in the car and drove over to the accident. I was talking to the officer....she said take it.......the deer was crushed and I did not want to get into it's cavity....so I just split the back hide open and took out the backstraps.....drug the rest of the the deer about 30 yards up into the field for the coyotes. I keep a kit in my car for this purpose: Sharp hunting knife, 1 gal of water, roll of paper towels, a few plastic bags......you don't even get bloddy when you take out the backstraps. I came home and cleaned up the meat....2 nice strips about 2 feet long each.....total weight of 6.5 lbs. I've had them marinating for a few days....will grill half tonight. 2nd road kill of the year!

Irons | 11-13-2008 08:12 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) 3 Attachment(s) Whitetail rifle season opens 11/15 @ 7am!!:yippee::ARMS1::ARMS1::banana::applause_ Here's a couple of wildview pics for you hunters! Attachment 57344 Attachment 57345 Attachment 57346

JJ_ | 11-14-2008 08:56 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) ya'lls deer have some BIG bodies...

Irons | 11-14-2008 09:13 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1415605) ya'lls deer have some BIG bodies...
Yep, they grow big heavy bodies before they grow big horns up here.If they make it 3-4 seasons thats when the racks start to match the body size.:ok:

hystckndle | 11-15-2008 02:04 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) 3 Attachment(s) Nice pics Irons. JJ, this is for you.:15_1_70v: Good Saturday today it is.... Regards, Haystackneedle

Silver001 | 11-15-2008 10:25 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Boys in Mississippi have a unique way of hunting hogs: They ferment some corn and sugar in 50 gal barrels and when it start bubbling it's time to go hunting. Take a 50 gal drum and split it down the middle. Ride the roads until you see hog sign stop and place the troughs ( split 50 gal drums) along side tracks. Pour in the fermented corn, leave and come back in about 12 hours. Pick up the passed out pigs, tie the feet then transport to a very well built pen. This way you can corn feed and get some of the gamey taste out - usually about 2 weeks. A word of caution here: hung over hogs are down right nasty, and real mean.

kiwi_envoy | 11-15-2008 10:28 PM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) LOL, I love the heading Weak Stomachs don't look. Once those ugly bits get fixed into a pie even the most ardent veggo would have their mouth a watering.

JJ_ | 11-17-2008 12:48 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) Hystkndle... Im envious... That at your lease/club? or wherever it is that you hunt or in a backyard?... Its a nice set up. in other news: WELL... I got serious trouble. I think I'm gonna need to look into trapping. Its getting where we can't keep up. There is a new group of hogs showing up on the game cam, longer haired ones are a new occurance. Those are in the front and the short haired ones that I have had all along are in the back http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...e/ICAM0011.jpg the piglets ( 4 of them as I killed one) have joined the main group of hogs -and a couple of sows are lettin em suck....Greaaaat.:sarcasm: http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...e/ICAM0035.jpg http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...e/ICAM0077.jpg and WOW... I caught a real bruiser on camera.. This guy is quite a bit larger than the first boar I killed... http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...e/ICAM0080.jpg

JJ_ | 12-04-2008 10:08 AM
Re: HUNTERS- (**Weak stomachs don't look**) I had a what I figure is a 2.5 yr old buck w/ a pretty good rack walk up within 4 yards of me the next morning - I was walking thru the woods on the way to my stand. I stopped at the intersection of 3 trails to check the clearing before I got in the blind. took a knee... from another trail I spotted him at 30 yds out- snapped in and drew a bead on his neck. he kept coming - kept coming- right up to me.... It was SO hard not to shoot:adore: but I let him walk. He'll be bigger next year:ok: http://goldismoney.info/forums/pictu...&pictureid=342 OH and BTW - I took a doe last Firday night... Headshot We didn't take any pics... it was pretty messy:signs14:

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