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Dirty Harry | 01-22-2009 07:33 PM
To carry, or not to carry.. ...that is the question I've been torn up with. I work on the Railroad, and as most know, they usually don't run through the best of neighborhoods. Lotza time spent out after dark alone, etc. Iv'e thought of getting a CCP, but with the way things are with our new govt. thugs, I don't want to give them any extra reason to come looking in my direction after a ban. Thought I'd ask some advice from you guys.

Fullpower | 01-22-2009 07:57 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Carry always. The biggest hot chamber that you can conceal comfortably.

Dirty Harry | 01-22-2009 08:01 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Thanks Fullpower, thats my first instinct, but I don't want a bullseye on me when this ban thing goes down. And it will go down. These A-holes in Washington piss me off. There's no doubt they're coming after the 2A.

Ag_man | 01-22-2009 08:01 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Harry (Post 1525902) ...that is the question I've been torn up with. I work on the Railroad, and as most know, they usually don't run through the best of neighborhoods. Lotza time spent out after dark alone, etc. Iv'e thought of getting a CCP, but with the way things are with our new govt. thugs, I don't want to give them any extra reason to come looking in my direction after a ban. Thought I'd ask some advice from you guys.
It's all about risk management. Balance the cost of getting caught carrying without a permit, against the unknown risk of putting yourself on a hypothetical watch list. If your probability of armed contact is above average, I think you're better off getting a CCW. For me, in a non-CCW state and where I go day-to-day, I run less risk not carrying.

Irons | 01-22-2009 08:08 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. I have no CCW but always carry, large or small wherever I think I need to.Nuff said

Cast Iron | 01-22-2009 08:11 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. It's a great question in these times. Henry Bowman said something to the effect "carry every day just like you wear your seat belt. Carry without a permit every day and plan to get caught." Felony offense means no guns. Serious stuff to be w/o right now. Get in a situation where you need it and don't have it, then the felony seems like a summer day on the beach. It's a personal decision based on risk appetite. Pepper spray and good sneakers is a start, or get a Level II vest to wear everyday.

Captain Morgan | 01-22-2009 08:11 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Carry...but do it legally. As for any bans that may happen....deal with those if and when they come.

Dirty Harry | 01-22-2009 08:18 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. One guy got a late night call not too far from where I work (8-10 city blocks). Finds out some punk ass kids screwed up the signal system, knowing someone would come out to fix it. They jumped the guy, beat the dog-crap out of him and left him for dead in the middle of the switch location. Had he fixed the problem first the train that found him (had to stop because signals were still dicked) would have turned him into rail grease.

Irons | 01-22-2009 08:21 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Cast Iron (Post 1525980) It's a great question in these times. Henry Bowman said something to the effect "carry every day just like you wear your seat belt. Carry without a permit every day and plan to get caught." Felony offense means no guns. Serious stuff to be w/o right now. Get in a situation where you need it and don't have it, then the felony seems like a summer day on the beach. It's a personal decision based on risk appetite. Pepper spray and good sneakers is a start, or get a Level II vest to wear everyday.
You have to look at where you live, would a jury see you or the person who caused the problem?

Mike C | 01-22-2009 08:31 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Get a license and carry. Don't wait until AFTER you are a victim to get one, because then it is too late. Quit worrying about a "ban" on handguns, not going to happen. I don't trust Obama at all, but I don't worry about handguns, worry about "evil" black rifle bans. Get a carry permit and get a gun you are comfortable with carrying, you may need it. Get quality, don't trust your life to junk!

FX24K | 01-22-2009 08:34 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. i used to carry in nyc where i could have gone to prison for it and it wouldn't have mattered that it was usually a tiny .25 seecamp or .380 ppk. glad i did as one night a street thug waved a screwdriver in my face and asked for my money.i politely showed him my pistol and he withdrew his request as well as ran away whilst peeing in his pants. one's life matters more than laws.

Abouthadit | 01-22-2009 08:35 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. We are already on a govt list. no need to give them a reason to jail you. get a permit. since you only have one hand gun, if or when they come knocking you hand them that one.

Twisted Avatar | 01-22-2009 08:35 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Harry (Post 1525994) One guy got a late night call not too far from where I work (8-10 city blocks). Finds out some punk ass kids screwed up the signal system, knowing someone would come out to fix it. They jumped the guy, beat the dog-crap out of him and left him for dead in the middle of the switch location. Had he fixed the problem first the train that found him (had to stop because signals were still dicked) would have turned him into rail grease.
Oh Screw that man. Pack your heat and if somebody is fool enough to try you whip your shyt out.... that will be enough to send the vermin packing BUT for that determined 1-2% Tripple tap center mass and get a shovel. The laws on the books do not favor common sense....... the day it turns sour in my neck of the woods will be the day I start to carry. I am not asking anybody for permission so I can continue to keep breathing. God gave me common sense........ I will use it. T

mick silver | 01-22-2009 08:40 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Harry (Post 1525902) ...that is the question I've been torn up with. I work on the Railroad, and as most know, they usually don't run through the best of neighborhoods. Lotza time spent out after dark alone, etc. Iv'e thought of getting a CCP, but with the way things are with our new govt. thugs, I don't want to give them any extra reason to come looking in my direction after a ban. Thought I'd ask some advice from you guys.
you are a man , you have the right to own an carry a gun , why would you have to ask people what to do . you are your own leader

Dirty Harry | 01-22-2009 08:41 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Handgun ban is not the worry. It's the "evil" stuff i'm worried about. SHTF and I'm not gonna try and hold up with a couple 9mm. Makes sense to me though to look at Mr. Carry-Guy first when we start looking for all the nasty stuff. He's more likely to have some of the goodies, as opposed to Mr. Nobody-(Who the hell is he)Guy. That's my worry. I do believe you guys have me leaning towards the permit. I appreciate all the shouts.

mtnman | 01-22-2009 08:42 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. I say get a CCW and carry. Your life depends on it. As for being on a list, join the crowd. The same crowd that will be bringing the fight to Uncle Sam if he tries anything.

mick silver | 01-22-2009 08:42 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Abouthadit (Post 1526031) We are already on a govt list. no need to give them a reason to jail you. get a permit. since you only have one hand gun, if or when they come knocking you hand them that one.
what make you think they well not be coming to your door

Dirty Harry | 01-22-2009 08:44 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1526032) [B] Tripple tap center mass and get a shovel.
ROFLMAO:111:

Dirty Harry | 01-22-2009 08:47 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Mick, Not just my door, everyone's door. I'm not saying it's happening right away. But I do believe it's gonna happen.

Dirty Harry | 01-22-2009 08:48 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Well said, mtnman T A, I don't have words to describe your post

Irons | 01-22-2009 08:51 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by FX24K (Post 1526030) i used to carry in nyc where i could have gone to prison for it and it wouldn't have mattered that it was usually a tiny .25 seecamp or .380 ppk. glad i did as one night a street thug waved a screwdriver in my face and asked for my money.i politely showed him my pistol and he withdrew his request as well as ran away whilst peeing in his pants. one's life matters more than laws.
You, Sir, get it.:23_28_100s: The times I needed one I diden't stand around waiting for photographs and documentation.

Dirty Harry | 01-22-2009 08:52 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. You'd think some noob callin himself Dirty Harry wouldn't have much of a question.

Twisted Avatar | 01-22-2009 08:55 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Harry (Post 1526053) ROFLMAO:111:
I am so serious. I forget the case but maybe someone around here will remeber there was some pacific islander that went out on a hunting trip in the midwest (Wisconsin maybe) anyway he was hunting with a buddy and somehow they stumbled across a group of 5-7 hunters (paths must have crisscrossed) well the guy didnt have the best mastery on the english language and one of the Americans must have thought is was funny to point his gun at him or make some agressive jesture with there firearm. That was a bad move...... I mean REAL BAD. The PI Shot and killed every hunter there(it was on CNN I think ) in the after math I dont think the Guy was charged just being held. How can this be? HIS STORY, IS THE ONLY STORY NOBODY AND CAN CONTRIDICT WHAT HE SAYS. He did it right and didnt even know it. T

SLV>GLD | 01-22-2009 08:58 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Carry with or without govt. permission.

Dirty Harry | 01-22-2009 08:59 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. T A, Iv'e read you for a while...I know YOU are serious. I just cracked up at your verbage.

Irons | 01-22-2009 09:00 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1526082) I am so serious. I forget the case but maybe someone around here will remeber there was some pacific islander that went out on a hunting trip in the midwest (Wisconsin maybe) anyway he was hunting with a buddy and somehow they stumbled across a group of 5-7 hunters (paths must have crisscrossed) well the guy didnt have the best mastery on the english language and one of the Americans must have thought is was funny to point his gun at him or make some agressive jesture with there firearm. That was a bad move...... I mean REAL BAD. The PI Shot and killed every hunter there(it was on CNN I think ) in the after math I dont think the Guy was charged just being held. How can this be? HIS STORY, IS THE ONLY STORY NOBODY AND CAN CONTRIDICT WHAT HE SAYS. He did it right and didnt even know it. T
Uh, you are going to want to look into that story a bit closer before you take sides there TA.

Abouthadit | 01-22-2009 09:04 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver (Post 1526049) what make you think they well not be coming to your door
ok, you got me there. I'll have to hand over my gun, singular as will all of us law abiding citizens. I think I have one box of ammo somewhere, and maybe one extra magazine, if I can remember where I put it. really, I am afraid of guns and only got one cause a friend said to. baaaaa baaaaaa. :adore:

Goldfinger | 01-22-2009 09:08 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1526047) I say get a CCW and carry. Your life depends on it. As for being on a list, join the crowd. The same crowd that will be bringing the fight to Uncle Sam if he tries anything.
Amen brother! Does no one have any cahones anymore? You know what, they probably will take your guns, because most of you don't have the backbone to stand up for yourself. Who are you guys trying to kid anyway? Like your gonna hide away a stash and do something. LMAO! If you don't have the balls to stand up now, you sure as hell aren't going to grow a set and do anything later. You might as well just go trade them in now! Personally, I couldn't care less about being on a list. The day they're banned, I don't look live very long anyway, but at least I'll die a free man. I apologize if some of you find my remarks offensive, but I'm afraid I just don't cower very well...

Dirty Harry | 01-22-2009 09:31 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldfinger (Post 1526107) Amen brother! Does no one have any cahones anymore? You know what, they probably will take your guns, because most of you don't have the backbone to stand up for yourself. Who are you guys trying to kid anyway? Like your gonna hide away a stash and do something. LMAO! If you don't have the balls to stand up now, you sure as hell aren't going to grow a set and do anything later. You might as well just go trade them in now! Personally, I couldn't care less about being on a list. The day they're banned, I don't look live very long anyway, but at least I'll die a free man. I apologize if some of you find my remarks offensive, but I'm afraid I just don't cower very well...
Touche' GF, and no offense taken. Wouldn't have attempted to post here if I was afraid of any frank talk. I appreciate what your saying, just don't want a huge 'FEDS LOOK HERE FIRST' sign hanging on the homestead, that's all. Hide a stash to comfront the man when he comes to take it? No, but hide a stash so my 4 kids dont starve or get raped and killed when TSHTF, Absolutely. I'm not of the ilk that think they're gonna hold of the Feds when they come, but i am the sort that will blow someone's f--in head off if they try and hurt my family. I want to keep that ability even if and when it becomes illegal.

SLV>GLD | 01-22-2009 09:36 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldfinger (Post 1526107) but at least I'll die a free man
A free man who asked permission to exercise his inalienable right.

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Goldfinger | 01-22-2009 09:56 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1526168) A free man who asked permission to exercise his inalienable right.
That's funny, I don't recall asking for anything.

SLV>GLD | 01-22-2009 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Goldfinger (Post 1526203) That's funny, I don't recall asking for anything.
So you carry without a permit? What do you think the word "permit" means? since you edited your post, I'll edit mine... paying is asking.

Twisted Avatar | 01-22-2009 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Irons (Post 1526092) Uh, you are going to want to look into that story a bit closer before you take sides there TA.
You are very much spot on good sir........ I was only half listening to that story when it broke on CNN. The facts changed DRASTICALLY later on after I stopped following it . Thanks for the correction :ok: T

Little Ant | 01-22-2009 10:16 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldfinger (Post 1526107) Amen brother! Does no one have any cahones anymore? You know what, they probably will take your guns, because most of you don't have the backbone to stand up for yourself. Who are you guys trying to kid anyway? Like your gonna hide away a stash and do something. LMAO! If you don't have the balls to stand up now, you sure as hell aren't going to grow a set and do anything later. You might as well just go trade them in now! Personally, I couldn't care less about being on a list. The day they're banned, I don't look live very long anyway, but at least I'll die a free man. I apologize if some of you find my remarks offensive, but I'm afraid I just don't cower very well...
Well some of us don't have cahones but its not our fault. LOL. Seriously, though I am in agreement 100% here. I kid you not, my entire life has been changed since I stopped taking my 2nd amendment rights for granted and began carrying daily. I am a completely different person now. I have lost a fear I did not even know I had and now I feel, act, and carry myself differently. It is hard to explain but leveling the field has allowed me to gain control of what happens to me whereas before I felt that I could easily end up at the mercy of whoever was more powerful than me. Daily carry has liberated my life so much that I don't think I could ever go back to not carrying and be remotely happy. I will NEVER go back to fearing what is around the corner or who is outside my door at night. For that reason I would rather go down with a fight than roll over and give up this freedom. As someone who has survived having another person choose whether I lived or died that day I will NEVER go back there again. I choose to NEVER allow another person or entity to control my life like that again.

Goldfinger | 01-22-2009 10:28 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1526209) So you carry without a permit? What do you think the word "permit" means? since you edited your post, I'll edit mine... paying is asking.
I don't have a permit. I have a license. There is a difference. I guess we just have a fundamental difference here. Id rather be blatant about the whole issue. I refuse to hide and cower. If a few million of my fellow citizens would do the same, I have a feeling the whole gun debate would just go away. Regardless, I've drawn my line in the sand and I don't care to tell you, the nice ATF agent reading this thread :15_1_70v:, or anyone else that if my 2nd amendment rights are trampled on, there will be a problem.

Goldfinger | 01-22-2009 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Little Ant (Post 1526248) Well some of us don't have cahones but its not our fault. LOL. Seriously, though I am in agreement 100% here. I kid you not, my entire life has been changed since I stopped taking my 2nd amendment rights for granted and began carrying daily. I am a completely different person now. I have lost a fear I did not even know I had and now I feel, act, and carry myself differently. It is hard to explain but leveling the field has allowed me to gain control of what happens to me whereas before I felt that I could easily end up at the mercy of whoever was more powerful than me. Daily carry has liberated my life so much that I don't think I could ever go back to not carrying and be remotely happy. I will NEVER go back to fearing what is around the corner or who is outside my door at night. For that reason I would rather go down with a fight than roll over and give up this freedom. As someone who has survived having another person choose whether I lived or died that day I will NEVER go back there again. I choose to NEVER allow another person or entity to control my life like that again.
LOL, guess you got me there little ant. I congratulate you on empowering yourself not to be an easy victim, whether it be the ones in a dark alley, or on Capitol Hill...

SLV>GLD | 01-22-2009 10:48 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldfinger (Post 1526266) I don't have a permit. I have a license. There is a difference.
Black's Law defines a license as such: A personal privilege to do some act or series of acts on land without possessing any estate or interest therein, and is ordinarily revocable at the will of the licensor and is not assignable. The permission by competent authority to do an act which, without such permission, would be illegal, a trespass.. or otherwise not allowable. Black's Law defines permit as such: 1) To suffer, allow, consent, let; (2) to give leave or license; (3) to acquiesce, by failure to prevent, or to expressly assent or agree to the doing of an act. While I respect your stance that a problem will be had if/when your 2A rights are infringed I'll have to call SEMANTICS on your bias towards my wording.

Twisted Avatar | 01-22-2009 10:55 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Little Ant (Post 1526248) Well some of us don't have cahones but its not our fault. LOL. Seriously, though I am in agreement 100% here. I kid you not, my entire life has been changed since I stopped taking my 2nd amendment rights for granted and began carrying daily. I am a completely different person now. I have lost a fear I did not even know I had and now I feel, act, and carry myself differently. It is hard to explain but leveling the field has allowed me to gain control of what happens to me whereas before I felt that I could easily end up at the mercy of whoever was more powerful than me. Daily carry has liberated my life so much that I don't think I could ever go back to not carrying and be remotely happy. I will NEVER go back to fearing what is around the corner or who is outside my door at night. For that reason I would rather go down with a fight than roll over and give up this freedom. As someone who has survived having another person choose whether I lived or died that day I will NEVER go back there again. I choose to NEVER allow another person or entity to control my life like that again.
:adore::adore::adore::adore::adore::adore::adore:

mick silver | 01-22-2009 11:00 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. i too little ant good read . when i leave the house my gun leave the house with me , i forgot one day to take my gun with an it was pissed of for over a week

thomaspaine | 01-22-2009 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty Harry (Post 1526059) Mick, Not just my door, everyone's door. I'm not saying it's happening right away. But I do believe it's gonna happen.
Yeah, they may go to everyone's door, but I bet they'll START with the doors of those with paperwork.... That should give those without time to decide how to react/prepare. History has shown registration leads to confiscation.

Little Ant | 01-22-2009 11:27 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. I've done nothing more than make a choice to insure if there is a next time that I have more than "luck" on my side. Bad stuff happens all the time to all kinds of people. Its not fair but it is what it is. I see the 2nd amendment as the great equalizer, whether it is person to person or the people to their gov't. It allows for a more level playing field. To the original question of whether to carry or not, I say it is a very personal decision but if you're asking the question then I'm pretty much of the opinion that you should be carrying daily.

Twisted Avatar | 01-22-2009 11:34 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Question LA: Do you carry into your place of work??? I can just see you pistol whipping a patient who wont take there meds.:bear_w00t: T

Little Ant | 01-23-2009 12:02 AM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1526407) Question LA: Do you carry into your place of work???
I carry everywhere except where prohibited by my government. :sarc: Concealed is the word. In real life No one knows I carry and I prefer it that way. That fact would only come to light if I had a legitimate need to use my gun.

Twisted Avatar | 01-23-2009 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Little Ant (Post 1526465) I carry everywhere except where prohibited by my government. :sarc: Concealed is the word. In real life No one knows I carry and I prefer it that way. That fact would only come to light if I had a legitimate need to use my gun.
I see..........makes sense too.

BellevueBully | 01-23-2009 12:13 AM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. OP, Get a CCP right away, and if a ban comes, quit carrying with a permit. Easy. LOL.

moreair | 01-23-2009 01:08 AM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Get your CCW if you can and CARRY!!!!!! No CCW? Carry anyways just be real carfull. I have been packin a pistola for a decade and no one has ever saw it....... as far as I know. If you have to use it and it is a justifiable killing, then great! So what, you do a few months for CCW, better than being DEAD or azz raped.:wink:

Cast Iron | 01-23-2009 08:44 AM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. For the sake of good discussion (not looking to get bashed before my 10th post)... Yes, aware every time you walk out the door. Being mentally prepared, alert of your surroundings, and avoiding compromising situations is paramount. That being said, not everyone is willing or trained to end a life (or threaten to) as conflict resolution during their daily routine - legal or not. Unfortunately the worse the economy gets, the higher the unemployment, the more desperate the actions. Feeling that level of threat at work is unfortunate. Loosing your weapon(s) and feeling that way at home, in todays environment, would be worse.

S_Goldberg | 01-23-2009 09:02 AM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Lets suppose there is a list (there most likely isn't think about about hwo much data that would require to keep tabs on everybody. hell, they can't even run this damn country without f-ing everything up why would they be able to do this any better). If TPTB are tracking everything as some here suppose, why would not already be on that list? It is pretty easy to find out who you really are with access to internet records. CCW without a permit will get you in HUGE trouble. You risk losing you right to keep and bear arms. Getting the permit is painless in most places and keeps out of trouble. Felony gun charges are not something you want to have on your record and you will be used as an example of why we need stricter gun laws. Don't carry without the permit.

graspAU | 01-23-2009 09:32 AM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. I live in a non-ccw state, and they do not recognize any states ccw permit. As the economy gets worse, I keep thinking I should buy a more concealable gun and carry it anyway. I looked at a crime map and their have been 7 burglaries withing a 1/4 mile in the last year. Many more thefts. I was eating at a Chinese buffet the other night an this half drunk idiot comes in the door, and a couple of friends of his are sitting at a booth next to mine. He is talking about the election and one of the things he says is, "I'm still carrying 2 guns and a knife". hmmmm....

Mike C | 01-23-2009 01:54 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Quote:
Originally Posted by graspAU (Post 1526904) I live in a non-ccw state, and they do not recognize any states ccw permit. As the economy gets worse, I keep thinking I should buy a more concealable gun and carry it anyway. I looked at a crime map and their have been 7 burglaries withing a 1/4 mile in the last year. Many more thefts. I was eating at a Chinese buffet the other night an this half drunk idiot comes in the door, and a couple of friends of his are sitting at a booth next to mine. He is talking about the election and one of the things he says is, "I'm still carrying 2 guns and a knife". hmmmm....
If that is the crime stats you have, be happy you are blessed. The other night in my area, which I consider a good area of town as I live here and police here, we had 5 robberies within a 2 hour period. Our city is averaging a homocide a day almost. We are on track for one of the most deadly years EVER! It's not going to get better before it gets worse, and it is already clearly visable that the thugs are getting more bold as the economy slips deeper. Robberies are UP, and street robberies are UP! Hell, we had SCHOOL KIDS on the corner robbed and pistol whipped this morning as they waited for their school buses! I carry and plan on these situations to happen, and I want to be the better trained one when a gun battle ensues. Everyone should carry legally if they can. Get your permits and carry!

Twisted Avatar | 01-23-2009 02:02 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Dam Brother Mike What state is that ??? Wow. T

Phaedrus | 01-23-2009 02:35 PM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. Lots of states also have legal Open Carry - you don't have to have a CCW/CLP. My state of Michigan is like that. As long as it's in a visible holster, you walk right through downtown, or go shopping at Wal-Mart or whatever, without a permit. You just have to be legally able to own a handgun. You cannot wear in a vehicle (must be unloaded and in trunk/passenger seat - otherwise it's "concealed"). Like CCW/CLP, some places you cannot carry (banks, theatres, etc), and businesses have the right to enact "no firearms inside" policies. There is a whole forum/website devoted to Open Carry and exercising that right in order not to lose it. http://opencarry.org/ Folks all over the country are starting to open carry (even if they have a CCW/CLP) just to exercise the right and get the general public to accept it. Many get into "confrontations" with LEO's and have to "school" them and their dept's on the right to Open Carry, as many LEO's are ignorant of the same laws and rights they are supposed protect/enforce. Many LEOs are very supportive of this right, while others can be an ass about it. Bottom line: if your state is a legal Open Carry state, it's the law. Check the above site for maps and links. Always know your state laws solidly before attempting Open Carry.

SLV>GLD | 01-24-2009 10:20 AM
Re: To carry, or not to carry.. FWIW, the 2 states that concern me allow open carry under the prerequisite that you have a CCW.

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