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Twisted Avatar | 02-11-2009 11:31 AM
Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants 1 Attachment(s) I forgot who posted this pic (hat tip to whoever) But it REALLY got me thinking. That could honestly be a scenario is the future: you have to arm a few neighbors to repluse the zombie hordes or the Blackboots. There is No question about the price ....... that is awesome. The 7.62x54 Round is a Sniper Round That baby will punch through vests at close enough range. 8 round chamber capcity is nice considering the age of the Rifles. My questions are: How many Versions of this rifle are there?? Classic arms has one and they said they are another model (which I never saw) How is the one they have listed in terms of service and reliablity? http://www.classicarms.us/ (scroll down to bottom of page) M91/30 How hard is it to get versed with this rifle? I probally wont be taking a class for this one unless I really feel the need to. Dose the rifle take ANY 7.62 rounds? The reason why I asks because I heard someone make mention that you should use a particular type of ammo with Garands (I forgot the name) but it makes me wonder is this applicable to this rifle?? I appreciate the help in adavance :ok:

Twisted Avatar | 02-11-2009 11:35 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants 2 Attachment(s) M 91/30 NAGANT RIFLES BAD NEWS ON NAGANT RIFLES. THEY FINALLY SEEM TO BE DRYING UP AND A LOT OF DISTRIBUTERS ARE OUT OF THEM. WE ARE DOWN TO ONLY THE ROUND RECEIVER HARDWOOD VARIATION AND WHAT WE HAVE IN STOCK MAY BE IT FOR AT LEAST THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. THAT IS THE BAD NEWS. THE GOOD NEWS IS THIS. THIS LAST BATCH WE RECEIVED IS PROBABLY THE FINEST OVERALL CONDITION WISE THAT WE HAVE HAD IN YEARS. THEY ARE X CODE RIFLES MEANING NRA EXCELLENT. THE TIME TO GET THESE OR STOCK UP ON THEM IS NOW. CLASSIC ARMS PRIDES ITSELF ON STOCKING THE FINEST QUALITY NAGANT RIFLES AVAILABLE. ALL OF OUR M 91/30 RIFLES COME COMPLETE WITH ACCESSORY PACKS AS SEEN ABOVE. M 91/30 HARDWOOD EX...ITEM # M91-30......$99.95 ......SALE....$89.95

elroy | 02-11-2009 11:49 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants These come in long barrel or short barrel [carbine] models. They had some modifications made over the years and I think the ones made around WW2 have the changes. There are a few around that were made in Finland, these are the best ones. Some are round receiver and some are hex. Hex is supposed to be better. They all use the 7.62x54R cartridge. That is the only round they will fire. Not 7.62x39, not 7.62x51, only 7.62x54R I believe they only hold 5 rounds. These guns have been in storage for decades covered in cosmoline. Plan on a thorough disassembly and cleaning prior to shooting. The bolts on many of them won't rotate properly until they have been cleaned.

igorthesmall | 02-11-2009 11:52 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants aimsurplus.com has a bunch. They also have cheap ammo. These wont take ANY 7.62 round, only 7.62x 54r, which is pretty close in size to .308. Its a bolt action rifle that was used by literally millions of Russian conscripts in both world wars. Not really much you need to learn about using it, pretty much all bolt action guns are the same. Keep in mind, all ammo is corrosive for them (surplus anyways), so wash the bore down with windex or some other type of corrosive ammo cleaning solvent as soon as you are done shooting it. Also, buy lots of ammo, because once what is left is gone, thats it.

Twisted Avatar | 02-11-2009 11:54 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Oh ...........so it there is differnce between the 7.62x54 and 7.62x54R I never knew that.........good to know. T

Edge-Hog | 02-11-2009 11:58 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants A Finnish M39 Mosin sniper is en rout. Can't wait to test it on the range. Gunboards is replete with good info about Mosins.

Stonewall | 02-11-2009 11:58 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants R is for Russian IIRC, the other 7.62 is a pistol round (7.62x25, one of my favorites).

Stonewall | 02-11-2009 11:59 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Also, the "nice" Mosins are mathing numbers..

reviver | 02-11-2009 12:00 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants First off, magazine capacity on all Mosins is 5 rounds. Try this link for the best mosins, the Finnish re-built (Tikka, Sako) M-39, including 'antique' guns that you can have sent directly to your house. http://www.gunsnammo.com/ Excellent rifles. They didn't come off the line unless they fired within 3cm at 100 meters. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...5/ai_n31006399 http://62x54r.net/ http://www.surplusrifle.com/mosincarbine/index.asp

Roland30 | 02-11-2009 12:01 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Sounds like a good plan. Whats not to like about the rifle? It's very durable,simple,powerful. The only 2 downsides I see is the capicity and the supply of bulk ammo. However I dont see the capacity issue as a big deal at all....but some people think if it holds less than 30 its junk. Hell ya..if I had the $$$ I wouldnt be shy about doing that at all.

Twisted Avatar | 02-11-2009 12:08 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants So the one in the picture above..........dose that look good??? Is there a specific question I should as the dealer about them???

.41Dave | 02-11-2009 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1563324) Oh ...........so it there is differnce between the 7.62x54 and 7.62x54R I never knew that.........good to know. T
7.62x54 and 7.62x54R are the same thing. 7.62x54R is the correct designation, but some people just get lazy and leave off the "R". the "R" stands for rimmed, by the way, not Russian as is commonly believed. The 7.62x54R was first adopted by the Russian Army in 1891. It originally had a round nose 210-grain bullet. It was first used in battle in the Russian-Japanese war of 1904. In 1906, the 148-grain spitzer bullet was added to it. This was the standard load used in WWI and the Russian Revolution. It's still used today as a sniper load and has the distinction of being the oldest military cartridge still in service. There is also a Finnish round, 7.62x53R, which is almost the same as the 7.62x54R, but uses a .308 bullet instead of .311. Before the Winter War, Finnish Mosins were chambered for .308 bullets. After the Finn obtained massive amounts of captured Russian ball ammo in 1939, they started changing over to "D" bores, which run about .311 or .310. Older Finnish Mosins were often bored out to the new diameter. Look for the "D" stamp.

Stonewall | 02-11-2009 12:27 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Good info^

meatman | 02-11-2009 12:28 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants bought my last 2 from http://www.jgsales.com/product_info....oducts_id/2570 look like they are brand new plus the hex is a plus I have 6 and theses where the best 2 I have bought got about 3 weeks ago 1932 and a 1934 one week from order to my ffl

Twisted Avatar | 02-11-2009 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by .41Dave (Post 1563394) 7.62x54 and 7.62x54R are the same thing. 7.62x54R is the correct designation, but some people just get lazy and leave off the "R". the "R" stands for rimmed, by the way, not Russian as is commonly believed. The 7.62x54R was first adopted by the Russian Army in 1891. It originally had a round nose 210-grain bullet. It was first used in battle in the Russian-Japanese war of 1904. In 1906, the 148-grain spitzer bullet was added to it. This was the standard load used in WWI and the Russian Revolution. It's still used today as a sniper load and has the distinction of being the oldest military cartridge still in service. There is also a Finnish round, 7.62x53R, which is almost the same as the 7.62x54R, but uses a .308 bullet instead of .311. Before the Winter War, Finnish Mosins were chambered for .308 bullets. After the Finn obtained massive amounts of captured Russian ball ammo in 1939, they started changing over to "D" bores, which run about .311 or .310. Older Finnish Mosins were often bored out to the new diameter. Look for the "D" stamp.
Oh.........Thanks for that clarification I thought I was going to have to be spiliting hairs when I buy ammo for this stuff. Thats a major relief. Awesome post Dave :ok: T

CrufflerJJ | 02-11-2009 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Stonewall (Post 1563332) R is for Russian IIRC, the other 7.62 is a pistol round (7.62x25, one of my favorites).
Ummm...no. R is for Rimmed. As in 8x58R (Danish/Swedish) or 12.7x44R (Swedish) or 8x56R (Hungarian).

Dirty Harry | 02-11-2009 12:37 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants TA ... Just a heads up but http://www.centerfiresystems.com/762x54r.aspx has the 7.62x54R for sale at $80 per spam can. I just got 2 for my soon to arrive 91/30 hex from AIM. Aim has Czech ammo for $150 per case of 800. bancha

CrufflerJJ | 02-11-2009 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1563279) There is No question about the price ....... that is awesome. The 7.62x54 Round is a Sniper Round That baby will punch through vests at close enough range. 8 round chamber capcity is nice considering the age of the Rifles. My questions are: How many Versions of this rifle are there?? Classic arms has one and they said they are another model (which I never saw) How is the one they have listed in terms of service and reliablity? http://www.classicarms.us/ (scroll down to bottom of page) M91/30 How hard is it to get versed with this rifle? I probally wont be taking a class for this one unless I really feel the need to. Dose the rifle take ANY 7.62 rounds? The reason why I asks because I heard someone make mention that you should use a particular type of ammo with Garands (I forgot the name) but it makes me wonder is this applicable to this rifle??
TA - The 7.62x54R is a rifle round. It is NOT a "sniper round", except in certain loadings. Yes, there are sniper rifles chambered in this caliber (Dragunov, MN91/30 PU Sniper)..., but the round itself is not a "sniper" round, or an "armor piercing" round. It's a rifle cartridge. Yes, it will punch through soft body armor, but so will a lever action .30-30. There are "sniper" rifles in .308, .30-06, and .223. This does NOT mean that all rifles or cartridges in those calibers are "sniper" grade, or are designed for use by snipers. The Mosin Nagant is a great rifle, and I highly recommend it. It is NOT "magic", and should not be treated as such. How many versions...gosh! At the top of my head, there are: MN91 MN91/30 (& PU/PEM sniper variants) MN44 T53 (Chinese) MN91/59 MN38 MN39 (Finn) MN27 (Finn) MN28 (Finn) MN28/30 (Finn) They fire the same cartridge, and are all 5 round magazine capacity. Some are carbine length, some are rifles. Some carbines have attached bayonets (T53, MN44), some do not (MN38, MN91/59). Garands can be a bit picky as to the type of ammo, since they're gas operated. Use the wrong ammo (or reload with the wrong powder), and you'll bend the operating rod, mucking things up pretty badly. Same with the FN49 or Hakim - use the wrong powder or surplus ammo, and you may explode the rifle (oops!). Darn near ANY MN rifle is great in terms of service & reliability. They were designed to be used/maintained by peasant armies - not high tech armorers. They do have some flaws. Trigger pulls can suck (this can be tuned by some careful polishing). Feeding of cartridges may be finicky (due to the rimmed cartridges) Recoil is not minor (especially with carbines). Oddball "foreign" caliber, not commonly found on Walmart shelves. Lacquered cases can stick in hot chambers, resulting in heavy bolt lift force (a 2x4 or boot heel helps in this situation) . There are a number of good websites about the Mosin Nagant rifle, including forums.gunboards.com, 7.62x54r.net, and surplusrifle.com . The Mosin Nagant is not a delicate, touchy-feely sort of rifle. They do not break easily by dry firing or routine manipulation. It's pretty easy to get "versed" with the rifle. Use a SKS front sight adjusting tool (or just a brass punch & a hammer) to adjust windage. Elevation can be tweaked by the rear sight, or by using a roll pin (ground to adjust the length) pressed over the front sight. They are pretty amazing, and fun to shoot. I've collected them for ~10 years. Feel free to PM me with any questions.

Twisted Avatar | 02-11-2009 01:52 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Awesome info Cruff.......... Thanks :ok: T

90%RealMoney | 02-11-2009 01:54 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Glad that I have the 2 Nagants that I do. One of each barrel length. I think everyone should take advantage of this amazing opportunity. Almost any other firearm that you spend $79.00 on, is going to be a piece of crap! I bought one of those synthetic stocks for the Nagant. Haven't put it on yet. It's a nice update item.

Eroberer | 02-11-2009 02:52 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Which MN variant is your favorite, or the highest quality? I am thinking of also picking one up. I figure, for $70, why not. I have fired one before and think that they are awesome, especially for the price. I just don't look forward to cleaning it the first time.

The Argent Dragon | 02-11-2009 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1563279) I forgot who posted this pic (hat tip to whoever) But it REALLY got me thinking. That could honestly be a scenario is the future: you have to arm a few neighbors to repluse the zombie hordes or the Blackboots.
Can I claim credit for it ??? :36_3_12: I have Two (2) Mosin 91/30's on order - hex receivers.

reviver | 02-11-2009 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1563455) The Mosin Nagant is a great rifle, and I highly recommend it. Darn near ANY MN rifle is great in terms of service & reliability. They were designed to be used/maintained by peasant armies - not high tech armorers. Feeding of cartridges may be finicky (due to the rimmed cartridges)
I heartily agree. BTW, always feed your MN cartridges with the top rim in front of the bottom rim. In other words, load the top bullet's rim in front of the bottom bullet's rim. That is the way it is designed to work with rimmed cartridges. sounds stupidly simple, I know, but until I understood that I couldn't load my MN with stripper clips. But that is the wonderful thing about MN's. They are stupidly simple, extremely rugged long range tools. And with the Finns, if the bore is still in good shape, you have a rifle you know will be as accurate as you can be. Click this for a Humorous Comparison of an AK47, an AR15 and a Mosin. http://www.mouseguns.com/compare.htm It has been posted before, and here it is again.

Twisted Avatar | 02-11-2009 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1563784) Can I claim credit for it ??? :36_3_12: I have Two (2) Mosin 91/30's on order - hex receivers.
Well its about dam time you showed up on this thread. You Know how skittish I get.:bear_w00t: Im Still waiting for Ruprick,Silver City,Wallew and Eat Beef to weigh in I am looking hard on getting it from classic how is the one the pic?

Twisted Avatar | 02-11-2009 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by reviver (Post 1563839) I heartily agree. BTW, always feed your MN cartridges with the top rim in front of the bottom rim. In other words, load the top bullet's rim in front of the bottom bullet's rim. That is the way it is designed to work with rimmed cartridges. sounds stupidly simple, I know, but until I understood that I couldn't load my MN with stripper clips. But that is the wonderful thing about MN's. They are stupidly simple, extremely rugged long range tools. And with the Finns, if the bore is still in good shape, you have a rifle you know will be as accurate as you can be. Click this for a Humorous Comparison of an AK47, an AR15 and a Mosin. http://www.mouseguns.com/compare.htm It has been posted before, and here it is again.
Wow......can a MN REALLY dislocate a shoulders??? :36_1_25:

CrufflerJJ | 02-11-2009 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1563858) Wow......can a MN REALLY dislocate a shoulders???
What's your problem? You've got 2 shoulders. RIGHT? RIGHT??

CrufflerJJ | 02-11-2009 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Eroberer (Post 1563724) Which MN variant is your favorite, or the highest quality? I am thinking of also picking one up. I figure, for $70, why not. I have fired one before and think that they are awesome, especially for the price. I just don't look forward to cleaning it the first time.
My mostest favoritestest MN is probably the Finnish MN39. The Finns took great care in producing rifles with accuracy. They polished/ground the sear/bolt stop to improve the trigger pull. Some models (MN27, I think) actually had added springs & altered triggers to yield much nicer trigger pulls. They even installed shims between the barrels/receivers & stocks. They used 2 different varieties of wood (usually Arctic Birch on the front 1/3 & "normal" Birch on the rear 2/3) in the stocks, so as to minimize wood expansion/contraction in the temperature extremes & improve accuracy. VERY different than the mass produced Soviet MN rifles.

Twisted Avatar | 02-11-2009 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1563871) What's your problem? You've got 2 shoulders. RIGHT? RIGHT??
Dam, I forgot about that!!! The Good Lord provides!!!! :565::565::565::565::565:

wallew | 02-11-2009 04:01 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Well, I was GOING to post the 'what you need to know about ...' but Reviver beat me to it. I particularly like these: You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine. Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but its buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest. Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails. I don't see how you can go wrong with a MN. They are great rifles as long as you realize they are a monster recoil machine. But the 54R round IS a good one. That's the same round that is used in Dragunov Russian sniper rifles. AND YES, they DO MAKE silver tip SNIPER AMMO. It's getting hard to find, but IT USED TO BE that it was no more expensive than the regular surplus. But that was at least two years ago. I guess the only caution I would offer is, if you are going to purchase an MN, consider buying two. That way one can be used as a parts rifle IF you break something. Second thing is buy ammo by the case. LOTS OF AMMO, because trust me when I tell you pretty soon you won't be able to get it any more. Once it's gone, it's gone. Not that it's going to disappear overnight, but disappear it will in the long run.

Twisted Avatar | 02-11-2009 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by wallew (Post 1563945) Well, I was GOING to post the 'what you need to know about ...' but Reviver beat me to it. I particularly like these: You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine. Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but its buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest. Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails. I don't see how you can go wrong with a MN. They are great rifles as long as you realize they are a monster recoil machine. But the 54R round IS a good one. That's the same round that is used in Dragunov Russian sniper rifles. AND YES, they DO MAKE silver tip SNIPER AMMO. It's getting hard to find, but IT USED TO BE that it was no more expensive than the regular surplus. But that was at least two years ago. I guess the only caution I would offer is, if you are going to purchase an MN, consider buying two. That way one can be used as a parts rifle IF you break something. Second thing is buy ammo by the case. LOTS OF AMMO, because trust me when I tell you pretty soon you won't be able to get it any more. Once it's gone, it's gone. Not that it's going to disappear overnight, but disappear it will in the long run.
Thanks Wall I appreciate the insight. I am a man that belives in TRIPPLE REDUNDENCY. 3 at the LEAST. :ok: T

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.41Dave | 02-11-2009 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by wallew (Post 1563945) Second thing is buy ammo by the case. LOTS OF AMMO, because trust me when I tell you pretty soon you won't be able to get it any more. Once it's gone, it's gone. Not that it's going to disappear overnight, but disappear it will in the long run.
One word: Reloading http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA280_.jpg

SLV>GLD | 02-11-2009 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by .41Dave (Post 1564092) One word: Reloading http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA280_.jpg
Good luck with the Berdan Primers.

SLV>GLD | 02-11-2009 05:33 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants I'm a little whiff of a guy and I can shoot my MN all day long. My 12ga shooting 8 shot hits me harder. I do have a recoil pad on the buttstock but, hey, so does my 12ga. I've heard shooting the heavy ball AP rounds puts a bit more kick into it. I've only fired the light ball bulgarian and russian stuff. Typical 30cal kick, really more of a shove.

hypervel | 02-11-2009 05:36 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants The posse pic of the young toughs w/ guns and ma-KEH-TAYs got me in a giggle fest. Oh, how I twittered. MN be fun. That's the key word: fun. Go buy a deer rifle.

CrufflerJJ | 02-11-2009 05:36 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants The ability to reload for MN & SKS rifles is a good thing to have. Bullet diameter is NOT the same as a regular .308 or 7.62x51 round. The Soviet bullets run larger (~0.311" - 0.314" or thereabouts). In a SHTF situation, though, I could deal with a .308 bullet rattling down the bore. Better that than nothing, I guess. A decent source for 7.62x54R brass is www.grafs.com . It's about $42/100 pieces. Unless you're using surplus .311-.312 bullets form Wideners, you may need to use bullets originally meant for the .303 British (or 7.7 Japanese) round.

Twisted Avatar | 02-11-2009 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1564151) The ability to reload for MN & SKS rifles is a good thing to have. Bullet diameter is NOT the same as a regular .308 or 7.62x51 round. The Soviet bullets run larger (~0.311" - 0.314" or thereabouts). In a SHTF situation, though, I could deal with a .308 bullet rattling down the bore. Better that than nothing, I guess. A decent source for 7.62x54R brass is www.grafs.com . It's about $42/100 pieces. Unless you're using surplus .311-.312 bullets form Wideners, you may need to use bullets originally meant for the .303 British (or 7.7 Japanese) round.
So this can be done in a "all else fails" secenario. Dam.........good to know. T

reviver | 02-11-2009 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by .41Dave (Post 1564092) One word: Reloading
Still available within reasonable prices is the Prvi Partizan 7.62x54R 150grn SP for $115 plus shipping for 200 boxer primed brass case reloadable ammo at AIM: http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/P...150grn_SP.html See here for surplus 7.62x54R: http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php?caliber=7.62x54R And another MN Finn M39 site, as well as all MNs: http://mosinnagant.net/finland/finni..._nagantm39.asp

Twisted Avatar | 02-11-2009 05:54 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Oh ...........so you have to use stripper clips with these???

.41Dave | 02-11-2009 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1564125) Good luck with the Berdan Primers.
Boxer primed 7.62x54R brass is readily available at this time. If you want to be able to feed your MN far into the future, now might be the time to buy some!

reviver | 02-11-2009 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1564151) The ability to reload for MN & SKS rifles is a good thing to have. Bullet diameter is NOT the same as a regular .308 or 7.62x51 round. The Soviet bullets run larger (~0.311" - 0.314" or thereabouts). In a SHTF situation, though, I could deal with a .308 bullet rattling down the bore. Better that than nothing, I guess.
Rare, but if you can find one is the venerable MN Finnish M28/30 (predecessor to the M39), considered the finest most accurate MN of all time. It used a bore of .3082, the same as the normal .308 Winchester bore. The M28/30 is hard to find, and the last few on Gunbroker fetched $500 to $600.

Blorp | 02-11-2009 06:20 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants I currently own two of these, both from the Ishvesk mfg. site. 1933 and a 1944 model. Both are full length. I'm buying a carbine version, 1954 IIRC, this weekend as I'm on a binge of buying. lol Yeah, they kick but an aftermarket recoil pad for 10 bucks is well worth it. The kick is no where near as bad as the 12 gauge with slugs. lol Good resources: The Mosin-Nagant (for Collector's Only) The Mosin-Nagant (for Collector's Only) Amazon - Great book for reference, tells a lot about the stamps, markings, models, etc. For great surplus ammo information, look here. Data on the various surplus ammo floating around. I like Bulgarian myself. Here is another good ammo link. General Mosin-Nagant information. I really like these rifles, esp for the price. That is why I'm buying a third. Even, have my eyes on a pre-Soviet, 'white Russian' version. I really want one of the Winchester manufactured ones. That would be sweet. Blorp

CrufflerJJ | 02-11-2009 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by reviver (Post 1564240) Rare, but if you can find one is the venerable MN Finnish M28/30 (predecessor to the M39), considered the finest most accurate MN of all time. It used a bore of .3082, the same as the normal .308 Winchester bore. The M28/30 is hard to find, and the last few on Gunbroker fetched $500 to $600.
Yes, the MN28/30 is a very nice rifle. I haven't slugged the bore on mine. For folks interested in Finnish MN rifles, I highly recommend Doug Bowser's book Rifles of the White Death. Doug is also a most excellent gentleman, and is still involved in competitive shooting down in sunny MS.

Twisted Avatar | 02-11-2009 08:35 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants I knew the rifle had a rich history but reading what some of you guys post. Dam this puppy was a serious cut above. Thanks everyone :ok: T

SLV>GLD | 02-11-2009 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1564184) Oh ...........so you have to use stripper clips with these???
Negative. You can load each round by hand. In fact, depending on the quality of your clips, this is likely to be preferable. The clips do wear out with use as well.

Ag_man | 02-11-2009 09:28 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants What's to think about, TA? Get thee to the gun store with a bore light and buy one! A bore light is a very handy tool to have when looking at mil-surp guns, to inspect the rifling. I wouldn't want your first MN to be a shot-out POS.

SLV>GLD | 02-11-2009 09:30 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants I hear the ones running around at J&G Sales are in good condition. The one I grabbed off of classicarms.us had a great bore but the stock was a bit beat. You need to learn the blood, sweat and tears of cosmoline anyway. Get to it.

Twisted Avatar | 02-11-2009 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1564623) I hear the ones running around at J&G Sales are in good condition. The one I grabbed off of classicarms.us had a great bore but the stock was a bit beat. You need to learn the blood, sweat and tears of cosmoline anyway. Get to it.
Oh........ so I have to "bake" these??? The ones on Classic look pretty good I asked (Ms Jane) and told all the one they have are very good quality.(they look as clean as a whistle in that pic) I didnt think to ask her about cosmoline........ I will tommarow. T

SLV>GLD | 02-11-2009 09:46 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants You ain't getting one under a $100 sans cosmoline, bro. It's a rite of passage. Quitcher wining.

Abouthadit | 02-11-2009 09:49 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants OK OK I give up.... you have your meathooks into me... I was going to sell my Finn M39, but NOW, thanks to all these posts, I have to feed my jones and buy a handfull of MNs... Thanks A LOT.... :36_1_30: no seriously... :Surrender: thanks! bancha

Twisted Avatar | 02-11-2009 09:54 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants More than happy to do my part :ok: T

90%RealMoney | 02-11-2009 09:57 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Quote:
Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1564668) You ain't getting one under a $100 sans cosmoline, bro. It's a rite of passage. Quitcher wining.
I guess that's one good reason to pick one up at a brick & mortar. Mine was $79.00 and had already been cleaned by the store. Plus, no shipping charges, or FFL transfer fees, etc.

SLV>GLD | 02-11-2009 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 90%RealMoney (Post 1564694) had already been cleaned by the store
IOW, the cosmoline lies in the hidden spaces and sweats when it's hot. Get to work.:biggrin:

CrufflerJJ | 02-11-2009 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1564633) Oh........ so I have to "bake" these??? The ones on Classic look pretty good I asked (Ms Jane) and told all the one they have are very good quality.(they look as clean as a whistle in that pic) I didnt think to ask her about cosmoline........ I will tommarow. T
I agree with the need to check the bore on any surplus rifle. DO NOT be alarmed if the rifling is "missing" on the last inch or so at the muzzle. Counterboring is fairly common with well used MN rifles, and is a way to "refresh" the muzzle crown (after it was worn away by vigorous Ivan cleaning rod use). There's probably no need to bake the stock on a recently imported MN. Most don't have tons of grease soaked into the wood. You will enjoy (?) scraping/dissolving the cosmolene off the rifle, the bore, the stock,.... One warning on MN rifles. The stock finish is typically shellac. Many bore cleaning solvents, and even ammonia/water can attack that finish. If this happens, no biggie - grab a can of shellac from the local hardware store. Pick up your brush, dip it in the shellac, drop it on a dirty floor, redip the brush, apply a thick, dripping layer over the messed up spot. Just like in mother Russia! One other warning - with the bayonet attached to a MN91/30, you now have a VERY long pig sticker. It is extremely easy to accidentally poke a hole in your ceiling. Go 'head - try it!

Twisted Avatar | 02-11-2009 10:17 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants That pig sticker on that sucker is MASSIVE. They wanst lying when that said you can be on the other side of a river and still impale the enemy!! DAM. T

Blorp | 02-11-2009 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 90%RealMoney (Post 1564694) I guess that's one good reason to pick one up at a brick & mortar. Mine was $79.00 and had already been cleaned by the store. Plus, no shipping charges, or FFL transfer fees, etc.
Yeah, I pay 100 or 120 locally. I've bought one clean and one cosmoed. They had 5 or 6 in the shop the other day. I don't recall if the carbine I wanted to buy was clean or not. Seemed mixed, but lately they have been in better condition. Lots of rifles in very good condition coming through. I didn't bake either of mine. I did sand and re-stain one. Yeah, call me Bubba, I don't care. It looked like crap. The other is left original. I want the carbine because I think it will be easier to deal with. The full length version is a pain to maneuver in a deer stand.

SLV>GLD | 02-11-2009 10:25 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Try a 91/59. Cut about 12" shorter and no bayo. The problem with bayo is the sights are set for bayo extended. If the bayo is removed or folded your shot is totally different. You have to clean the corrosive primers off the bayo as well. As for stock finishes I found boiled linseed oil a perfect fix for everything across the board.

Elvis | 02-11-2009 10:25 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants And yes, ammonia mixed with water = windex=remedy for corrosive ammo. Or Sweets Solvent. Use in a well ventilated area. Here I was, happy with my Springfield 1903, now you're making me want to buy the rooskie rifle to give it a street smart friend. Nothing like a quality firearm that can be disposed of in a pinch without breaking the bank.

TTAZZMAN | 02-11-2009 11:05 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants I figure the MN is the perfect cache/stash rifle..... cheap still packed in cosmolene good gun i dont know :biggrin: but they would be great to plastic pack with 500rds of ammo each in a pvc tube and bury in places you might need in the future but that is just a thought for us paranoid types :wink:

Lars Ragnarsson | 02-12-2009 03:29 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Dammit, TA! Now you got me thinking about getting another two or three (gotta get more than one to justify the shipping costs). What I find ironic is that about a year to 18 months ago, you could get the MN-44 for $50-$60, always a good $10 - $20 cheaper than a 91/30. They were so cheap, one just assumed you could get them anytime, anyplace. Now you can't find them anywhere. So yeah, you can't go wrong. I've got a C&R license, so I can get them shipped right to my door. I have two in hand, two more on the way from Aim Surplus, and I just might get a couple more from J&G. Pull the trigger, TA - your only regret will be that you didn't get more!:coolbeer:

Twisted Avatar | 02-12-2009 11:25 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Called classic back and yes some of them do have cosmo and they recomend all of them be cleaned so I will have my "right of passage" just the same. T

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meatman | 02-12-2009 11:33 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1565713) Called classic back and yes some of them do have cosmo and they recomend all of them be cleaned so I will have my "right of passage" just the same. T
I cleaned 4 of them I hated it last 2 I picked up from J&G had a gunsmith clean and test fire for $35 a gun well worth it. easy way of cleaning the stock is get a 12 pack of beer pair of shorts take shirt off and lay the riffle in the sun drink a beer wipe gun drink a beer wipe gun do the 12 times and the cosmoline just come right out.

90%RealMoney | 02-12-2009 12:03 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants I think I'm going to pick one or two up, whenever they go one sale at Big 5 Sporting goods, which is nearly all the time. One month they'll have the carbines for $79.00, then the next month the 91/30 for the same price, or ten bucks more maybe. I can envision a rack full of Nagants in the personal armory, ready for the volounteers!

Dirty Harry | 02-12-2009 12:39 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Quote:
Originally Posted by 90%RealMoney (Post 1565810) I think I'm going to pick one or two up, whenever they go one sale at Big 5 Sporting goods, which is nearly all the time. One month they'll have the carbines for $79.00, then the next month the 91/30 for the same price, or ten bucks more maybe. I can envision a rack full of Nagants in the personal armory, ready for the volounteers!
Yeah! :ok: I can envision several of those racks all around the country...GIM Nagant Brigade :banana:

Abouthadit | 02-12-2009 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty Harry (Post 1565866) Yeah! :ok: I can envision several of those racks all around the country...GIM Nagant Brigade :banana:
Did I hear a recommendation for the next GIM round image??? :553:

CrufflerJJ | 02-12-2009 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 90%RealMoney (Post 1565810) I can envision a rack full of Nagants in the personal armory, ready for the volounteers!
You mean racks sort of like these (no, not mine!)??

SLV>GLD | 02-12-2009 04:59 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Yep, and racks like this one http://thedolk.com/junk/racknew_03.jpg and this guy's http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...07/05_26_1.jpg this guy too http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/5...eraanitis9.jpg it goes on all day long at 7.62X54r.net http://7.62x54r.net/Forums/index.php...tach=292;image

SLV>GLD | 02-12-2009 05:00 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Another nice shot: http://frontpage.simnet.is/ingvarg/Byssur/IMG_5330.JPG

SLV>GLD | 02-12-2009 05:01 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants More http://7.62x54r.net/Forums/index.php...tach=709;image

SLV>GLD | 02-12-2009 05:02 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants All Finns http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...ishMosins1.jpg

SLV>GLD | 02-12-2009 05:03 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Bah, go read the forum and especially the collection threads, yourselves. Maybe even register and get sucked in with the rest of us. http://7.62x54r.net/Forums/index.php?topic=33.0

90%RealMoney | 02-12-2009 06:41 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Nice Racks!

CrufflerJJ | 02-12-2009 07:17 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Quote:
Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1566521) All Finns
Love them Finn MN39 rifles! For those reading this thread who have never held a MN39, they are NOTHING compared to a regular Soviet MN91/30, MN44, MN38,MN91. The MN39 feels very solid & smooth in your hands. Wonderful trigger pull (for a MN, that is!). Front sight is screwdriver adjustable for windage, rear sight has fine adjustments for elevation. Very pretty. In a manly-man sort of way, of course! If you couldn't tell, these are probably my favorite MN rifle. I just wish I'd bought a bunch more when they were selling for "reasonable" prices.

Blorp | 02-12-2009 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1566819) Wonderful trigger pull (for a MN, that is!).
First time users of my favorite Mosin, which I affectionately call Olga, always ask me what is up with the trigger. Not a light trigger at all. Quote:
Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1566819) If you couldn't tell, these are probably my favorite MN rifle. I just wish I'd bought a bunch more when they were selling for "reasonable" prices.
Never seen one for sale. I'm sure someday I will and that I will drop the cash on one. BTW: I hesitated on the carbine today. It wasn't Russian, so I didn't recognize the markings. Came home and looked it up and it is a Hungarian model. I prolly still won't get it because of the way the follower was seated. Didn't look right, kinda cockeyed.

igorthesmall | 02-12-2009 10:18 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants www.aimsurplus.com has some good deals on mosins

Elvis | 02-12-2009 10:36 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Jeez, will the last MN to leave Russia please turn out the lights.

numismatation | 02-12-2009 11:11 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants A word on ammo, If buying new ammo, most are all lead with copper jacket. If buying surplus ammo, they generally are steel core with copper jacket :wink: Those steel cores punch through steel like butter. We were shooting a thick steel box once, and it didn't even move as the round went through it. I thought we missed, but upon inspection there was a perfect whole in both sides of the box.

Twisted Avatar | 02-12-2009 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by igorthesmall (Post 1567160) www.aimsurplus.com has some good deals on mosins
Dam that is awesome price!!! 70 bucks AND they are cleaned? I will be giving them a call tommarow to get some more particulars. Thanks IG!!!! :ok: T

Twisted Avatar | 02-12-2009 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by numismatation (Post 1567269) A word on ammo, If buying new ammo, most are all lead with copper jacket. If buying surplus ammo, they generally are steel core with copper jacket :wink: Those steel cores punch through steel like butter. We were shooting a thick steel box once, and it didn't even move as the round went through it. I thought we missed, but upon inspection there was a perfect whole in both sides of the box.
Very good news indeed.

numismatation | 02-12-2009 11:34 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants (insert devilish and crazy laugh) MWAhhhhaa MWWWAAHHAHAHAH HEHEHEH... HHAAA HAAA HHHAAAAHAHA.. AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! I knew you would like that TA. :ok: Also, once I tried punching through a 15mm steel plate, Range was only about 20 yards. Didn't get through though, but bulged the steel and only missed going though by 2-3 mm. I'm sure if it was at maximum penetrating range (probly about 200 yards) it would have passed through. I have some of the silver tipped ammo, and I have also heard they are ment to be a more accurate round. Finally, there was some exploding tip ammo made for the 7.62 * 54R, but I think they used it in machine guns mounted to planes and sh*t, and was loaded HOT, so might cause damage to the MNs.

CrufflerJJ | 02-13-2009 08:47 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Quote:
Originally Posted by Blorp (Post 1566891) First time users of my favorite Mosin, which I affectionately call Olga, always ask me what is up with the trigger. Not a light trigger at all.
It is QUITE possible to lighten/smooth the trigger pull on MN rifles. No, it won't be as crisp as a nice Remington 700, but you'll end up with something a lot less crunchy than the average rifle.

Twisted Avatar | 02-13-2009 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by igorthesmall (Post 1567160) www.aimsurplus.com has some good deals on mosins
Pulled the trigger on three (tripple redundency) 250 was the damage they said they're running about two weeks behind on processing so they will let me know when charges are about to hit. Thank you to all ........... I recieved a quality education that only GIM can give. You guys rock :ok: T

CrufflerJJ | 02-13-2009 03:09 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1568443) Pulled the trigger on three (tripple redundency) 250 was the damage they said they're running about two weeks behind on processing so they will let me know when charges are about to hit.
:553:Congrats on joining the Mosin Nagant club!:5_1_120: Enjoy your new (old) rifles, and remember that most of the mil-surp ammo is corrosive. No biggie on cleaning - see http://64.82.96.51/clean.htm (Empire Arms website).

Twisted Avatar | 02-13-2009 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1568465) :553:Congrats on joining the Mosin Nagant club!:5_1_120: Enjoy your new (old) rifles, and remember that most of the mil-surp ammo is corrosive. No biggie on cleaning - see http://64.82.96.51/clean.htm (Empire Arms website).
I would prefer Milsurp. That will have some excellent penetrating power. Plus I know it will piss eric Holder off even more that I own 'cop killer' ammo even though it is 35+ years old. T

Twisted Avatar | 02-13-2009 03:46 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Excellent info Cruff.:ok: For those who do not like to click on links. How to properly clean after using corrosive ammo This is how I do it... it's easy, it's fast, and it's effective. Best of all you can do it while still on the firing-line and thus not offend your significant other with the usually pungent stench of commercial cleaners in your home. Dilute regular household ammonia (sudsy is best but regular is OK too) to 2/1 or 3/1 with water (it can be as much as 10/1 if the smell really gets to you). Keep in a small bottle to take with you to the range but label it well so you don't mistake it for contact-lens solution or something (yeeeowww!) After you are done firing and while still at the range moisten (not dripping-wet, but sorta-soaked) a patch and run it down the bore and back once. This instantly will neutralize and dissolve the corrosive salt-compounds from the primers and start in on the copper and powder fouling with a vengeance. Let stand for thirty seconds or so (just enough time to take off and throw away the ammonia-patch you just used and put a new, dry patch on your rod). Run the dry patch (or several) down the bore and you are most literally done. DON'T OVERDO IT! More ISN'T better in this case... You really don't want to slop ammonia (especially if heavily concentrated) all over the blued parts of the gun (as it will likely start to remove bluing after 30 minutes or so) and you also shouldn't leave the ammonia in the bore for an extended period of time (like hours, although I do know folks who do that anyway) as that may (not WILL, but MAY) cause "crazing" (microscopic pitting) of the metal. I also have to caution against slopping ammonia on the wooden parts of your rifle, as it will usually strip the finish down to bare-wood, BUT if you follow my advise on HOW MUCH ammonia to use (only enough to dampen, but not soak, a single patch per gun) you will not EVER experience ANY problems at all... If you are worried about primer residue getting on the bolt-face you may want to quickly wipe it with the wet patch before throwing the thing away and quickly dry it. Same thing with the gas-tube in a semi-automatic rifle... don't go overboard, just wet it and dry it and get done with it. As a final precaution (since the ammonia will also kill all lubricants and leave the metal very dry) you can run a patch of gun-oil down the bore and leave it like that for protection from the elements (just be sure to run a dry patch down the bore before shooting it again). I've been cleaning guns this way (including *every* gun we sell) for nearly thirty years, and have never had rust form in any bore (even here in humid Florida). However, if you are (like some folks I have met) completely obsessed about leaving traces of ANY powder or copper residue in the bore of your weapon, you can certainly follow up your "field-cleaning" with a detailed, strenuous, traditional cleaning once you are home (or in a week or month from then). But I warn you... your bore is much more be likely to be damaged from your over-enthusiastic scrubbing to get out that "last speck of copper" (which has no affect on the actual accuracy of your firearm) than it will with all the rounds you could possibly send down it during your lifetime. Dennis Kroh

CrufflerJJ | 02-13-2009 04:14 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants As an aside, Dennis Kroh (the guy who runs Empire Arms, and who wrote the cleaning info listed above) is the former guitarist/producer of Triphammer, a 1970s rock band. He is SCRUPULOUSLY honest, a former (?current?) rare coin dealer, and a decent person all around. A genuine good guy, and a true gentleman.

CrufflerJJ | 02-13-2009 04:17 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1568533) Plus I know it will piss eric Holder off even more that I own 'cop killer' ammo even though it is 35+ years old. T
I've got some Turk 8mm surplus ammo that's ~75+ years old. I, of course, would never think of using it as 'cop killer' ammo. Porcine terminating rounds, perhaps, but not 'cop killer'. :smile:

ohioarmedneutrality | 02-13-2009 11:57 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants I have an M-44. Kicks like a mule, but I'd still rather be on the recoil end than on the muzzle end. The bayonet, mostly useless except to make firearm-phobes all pissy pants, which is good enough reason to have one. These Mosin's killed a helluva lot of Germans in World War II (and the Finn version killed a helluva lot of Russians also - karma really is a bitch, isn't it?).

SLV>GLD | 02-13-2009 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ohioarmedneutrality (Post 1569295) The bayonet, mostly useless except to make firearm-phobes all pissy pants, which is good enough reason to have one.
Not to mention keeping the rifle shooting to the point of aim. They behave entirely different without the bayo extended.

Lars Ragnarsson | 02-14-2009 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1569300) Not to mention keeping the rifle shooting to the point of aim. They behave entirely different without the bayo extended.
Okay, I'll bite. Exactly what does it do to the aim? I had a chance to put a few rounds through one of my M44s last summer, and I noticed each shot going to the left. Could that be caused by having the bayonet folded?

SLV>GLD | 02-14-2009 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Lars Ragnarsson (Post 1569343) Okay, I'll bite. Exactly what does it do to the aim? I had a chance to put a few rounds through one of my M44s last summer, and I noticed each shot going to the left. Could that be caused by having the bayonet folded?
I know it sounds like new agey baloney but the correct terminology would be barrel resonance.

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ohioarmedneutrality | 02-14-2009 12:55 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants IIRC, the M-44's are supposed to be shot with the bayonet extended, because that is how they were designed. Does that sound correct?

Lars Ragnarsson | 02-14-2009 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1569347) I know it sounds like new agey baloney but the correct terminology would be barrel resonance.
Thanks. I'll research that tomorrow. Next time I take it out, I'll try it with the bayonet extended and see what happens.

SLV>GLD | 02-14-2009 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ohioarmedneutrality (Post 1569363) IIRC, the M-44's are supposed to be shot with the bayonet extended, because that is how they were designed. Does that sound correct?
By design means if you remove or underfold the bayo you will seriously screw up the harmonics or whatever new agey sounding term you want to apply to the barrel's reaction. It sounds like BS until you you compare the accuracy of bayo vs. non-bayo. There is a marked difference. You can reset your sights to accommodate no bayo but it's game over when you put the thing back on. The answer is 91/59.

Blorp | 02-14-2009 02:55 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants The local shop guy suggested Windex. Ammonia and in spray form, mixed and ready to go. I've been using it and don't have any rust that I can see. Spray at the range, clean thoroughly when I get home. Probably treating that rifle better than it ever was in the motherland! lol

CrufflerJJ | 02-14-2009 09:14 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Windex works very well - I've used it also. Some corrosive ammo requires cleaning over a period of 2-3 days to get it all out. This also probably depends a lot on your local conditions (humidity & such).

Twisted Avatar | 02-14-2009 09:27 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Just as an aside ..........I noticed that for the power of this caliber the price of Ammo is relatively "cheap" AIM has 800 Rds that comes in a wooden reusable crate and I look at that thing it was friggen MASSIVE for 150 bucks you really cant complain. So comparetively speaking in terms (price, use and availablity)it is a awesome weapon to have at one disposal should the hammer fall. T

CrufflerJJ | 02-14-2009 10:42 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants The sad thing is that 7.62x54R ammo was about HALF that price 2-3 years ago. Yes, less than 10 cents a round! Buy what you need/want now. Ammo prices may go significantly up if imports are restricted. Depending on the entire weight (ammo cans + wood crate), AIM might not ship the ammo in crate. Don't be unhappy if this happens. I think it's due to UPS package weight limits. The case (or 2 or 3 or...) of 5.45x39 I got from RGuns a few months ago was shipped in the wood crate, but that ammo is a wee bit smaller/lighter than 7.62x54R.

nub | 02-14-2009 10:59 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Thanks to the info on this thread I finally figured out what I bought 6 years ago at a gun show all cleaned up for $80.00 ......MN44 Soviet Izhevsk carbine made no earlier than 1945 and no later than 1948. No bayonet though, guess I'll have to get one.

GoldWampum | 02-14-2009 11:10 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants I likes me Mozeen Naygon. Original markings are Russian made 91 dated 1926. On a left side flat on the hex receiver inscribed is "91/30 Russian 7.62 x 54r". Redone at some point, but it does not say who or what year the refurbishment took place. I can only assume after 1930. The stock is a very nice kind of a blonde wood. If it was shellac, then it's worn off because it seems like oiled wood. It's a long gun with no bayonet. I really do like the gun and currently have maybe 800-900 rounds for it.

Twisted Avatar | 02-14-2009 11:28 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Question why the hell do they all have that "funny" oil bottle? What is the story behind that ?? T

GoldWampum | 02-14-2009 11:55 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Looks like an Izhevsk Russian model 1926. Has all the markings. According to http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinProduction.htm Dragoon Izhevsk 1893-1932

CrufflerJJ | 02-14-2009 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1569828) Question why the hell do they all have that "funny" oil bottle? What is the story behind that ??
The story is...Once upon a time, there was a little Combloc soldier. The benevolent State fully values its investment in human resources. The State issues only state of the art maintenance equipment, so that the little Combloc soldier can maintain his state of the art Mosin Nagant rifle. The end. The bottles have 2 compartments - one for bore cleaning solvent, and the other for oil. For a nice document on identifying the source of Combloc bottles, see: http://www.kalasnyikov.hu/dokumentum...%20bottles.doc

Ag_man | 02-14-2009 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1569371) By design means if you remove or underfold the bayo you will seriously screw up the harmonics or whatever new agey sounding term you want to apply to the barrel's reaction. It sounds like BS until you you compare the accuracy of bayo vs. non-bayo. There is a marked difference. You can reset your sights to accommodate no bayo but it's game over when you put the thing back on. The answer is 91/59.
I avoid the bayo issue completely by buying a M38 over the M44. I don't like the look of the bayonet on the M44, just from a esthetical POV. I'm looking for another M38, they seem a little hard to find. I'm going to scope the new one and put on a synthetic stock (heresy, I know!). The wood on my current M38 is really too nice to do that to.

Dirty Harry | 02-14-2009 05:27 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Just got back from a gunshow in Medina (OH). It was PACKED! I mean shoulder to shoulder front to back. Really almost pain in the @ss crowded. Prices pretty high. Was able to score an M44 for $125. Real nice shape. will look good amongst it's elder 91/30 siblings!:5_1_120:

Twisted Avatar | 02-14-2009 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1570246) The story is...Once upon a time, there was a little Combloc soldier. The benevolent State fully values its investment in human resources. The State issues only state of the art maintenance equipment, so that the little Combloc soldier can maintain his state of the art Mosin Nagant rifle. The end. The bottles have 2 compartments - one for bore cleaning solvent, and the other for oil. For a nice document on identifying the source of Combloc bottles, see: http://www.kalasnyikov.hu/dokumentum...%20bottles.doc
Thanks Cruff....... that bottle was bugging me to no end. :565:

CrufflerJJ | 02-14-2009 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1570395) I avoid the bayo issue completely by buying a M38 over the M44. I don't like the look of the bayonet on the M44, just from a esthetical POV. I'm looking for another M38, they seem a little hard to find. I'm going to scope the new one and put on a synthetic stock (heresy, I know!). The wood on my current M38 is really too nice to do that to.
The MN38 is scarcer than the MN44. I like them, since they are lighter & easier to handle than the MN44 with extra steel stuck on the end of the barrel.

Ag_man | 02-14-2009 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1567756) It is QUITE possible to lighten/smooth the trigger pull on MN rifles. No, it won't be as crisp as a nice Remington 700, but you'll end up with something a lot less crunchy than the average rifle.
Would you tell us how this is done, please? Crunchy is a pretty good way of expressing the feel on my MN38. Kinda errr, snap, fire. Probably not the best way of expressing trigger pull, but the best I can do. TIA!

Professur | 02-14-2009 10:27 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Guns and Ammo 2009 annual buyer's guide, page 57. J&G sales has the mosin M91/30 for $69.95 At that price, it's worth it simply for a wall decoration.

trader_eric | 02-14-2009 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1569828) Question why the hell do they all have that "funny" oil bottle? What is the story behind that ?? T
If you look carefully, you'll notice it's a 2 chambered oil bottle. One side for oil, the other side for your ammonia/water solution.

CrufflerJJ | 02-15-2009 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1570721) Would you tell us how this is done, please? Crunchy is a pretty good way of expressing the feel on my MN38. Kinda errr, snap, fire. Probably not the best way of expressing trigger pull, but the best I can do. TIA!
I'll start a separate thread with some helpful hints.

Eroberer | 02-15-2009 02:21 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Does anyone know where I could get a carbine (38,44, 91/50) without paying through the nose on gunbroker? I would prefer the M38 or the 91/50 considering they don't have the bayonet.

reviver | 02-15-2009 03:30 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Pat Burns has M38s for $128 plus shipping. http://www.gunsnammo.com/ Please note no affiliation, just a satisfied customer.

Eroberer | 02-15-2009 04:18 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Dude, thanks. I think I will pick up one of his M38s!

FireMattMillen | 02-16-2009 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by meatman (Post 1563397) bought my last 2 from http://www.jgsales.com/product_info....oducts_id/2570 look like they are brand new plus the hex is a plus I have 6 and theses where the best 2 I have bought got about 3 weeks ago 1932 and a 1934 one week from order to my ffl
I just ordered one from that website a few minutes ago. :RockOn: The confirmation email said that with the current backup, the order would take several days to process (plus the additional time it takes for the "hand selection"). How long did it take to get yours? This thread is amazing. It is responsible for arming several more citizens. Thanks GIM....well done. :23_1_22:

Twisted Avatar | 02-16-2009 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by FireMattMillen (Post 1573287) I just ordered one from that website a few minutes ago. :RockOn: The confirmation email said that with the current backup, the order would take several days to process (plus the additional time it takes for the "hand selection"). How long did it take to get yours? This thread is amazing. It is responsible for arming several more citizens. Thanks GIM....well done. :23_1_22:
I really feel that same........ I was just looking to get a few question answered but then the heavy weights (some I didnt even know) came in a brought in a level of expertise that I would have never imagined. I am really glad I asked about this and it pleases more than anything to know that I helped more than just myself.:bear_thumb::bear_thumb: T

The Argent Dragon | 02-17-2009 10:20 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants After reading this thread,.........thinking..........and yes, I agree that I don't really have enough. BINGO ! ........added 2 more to the arsenal yet still feeling like I need more. 1 - Tula and 1 - Ishevek http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/PICT0518.jpg

Agfinger | 02-17-2009 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1576877) After reading this thread,.........thinking..........and yes, I agree that I don't really have enough. BINGO ! ........added 2 more to the arsenal yet still feeling like I need more. 1 - Tula and 1 - Ishevek http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/PICT0518.jpg
That's actually ISHEVSK, not "Ishevek"....

GoldWampum | 02-17-2009 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Agfinger (Post 1576887) That's actually ISHEVSK, not "Ishevek"....
Or is it Izhevsk?

The Argent Dragon | 02-17-2009 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Agfinger (Post 1576887) That's actually ISHEVSK, not "Ishevek"....
Thanks for the correction.........I prefer Tula with the 'hammer' over Izzy. :bear_tongue:

GoldWampum | 02-17-2009 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldWampum (Post 1576897) Or is it Izhevsk?
Once again, I believe it is Izhevsk, with a Z.

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The Argent Dragon | 02-18-2009 12:36 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldWampum (Post 1576919) Once again, I believe it is Izhevsk, with a Z.
Yes, GoldWampum has the official 'correct' spelling with a 'Z'...........but again, I like the 'hammer' = Tula http://www.mosinnagant.net/USSR/Russ...antNumbers.asp :biggrin:

CrufflerJJ | 02-18-2009 02:06 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants What's also neat is that the Izhevsk arsenal has evolved into Izhmash. According to Wikipedia, they currently make different weapons (including Saiga shotguns), along with cars & motorcycles. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izhevsk_Mechanical_Works http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ia/izhmash.htm Now if you think spelling Izhevsk is a bit difficult, what about Sestroyetsk??

Blorp | 02-21-2009 07:19 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants 2 Attachment(s) I took my 1935 Mosin Nagant to the range today and fired off some of the Bulgarian surplus ammo from 1980 that I have. Great day for me. I'm very happy with these groupings. 50 yards with a 74 year old rifle and 28 year old ammo. Not bad at all. *pats self on back* I may have mentioned this stuff before, but here are a few suggestions/observations for those who buy one of these rifles: 1.) Find which ammo your rifle likes best. Try different batches of surplus ammo and then buy a ton of what your gun shoots best with. Other folks like the Serbian and Yugo surplus but it gets lousy groupings in my rifle. Mine likes Bulgarian and S&L match grade. (So I'm buying the Bulgarian at about 1/6th the cost.....) 2.) Cork it. Scroll down on this page and the author shows where to shim it. I sliced a wine cork really thin with a razor and cut to fit, instead of using brass. That simple step brought my groupings substantially. 3.) Repeated cleanings help. I used everything under the sun. lol Hoppe's, the regular and the copper solvent. Fired it a few times, cleaned after each use. Nasty stuff came out..... No telling how much of what was fired through these things. 4.) I'm using a Truglo 2X red dot scope and a Darrel's Scout Mount. Darrell's costs more than other solutions but it is a SOLID item. Best one I've seen. The red dot was something that I didn't consider, until I used one on a buddy's rifle. They are handy on the Mosin because they have unlimited eye relief. BTW: That Bulgarian ammo I like so much... Very corrosive and dirty as my mouth... But I aint' complaining if it shoots well. Here are some pics from today with a junk Morgan for reference. Figured that would be a fitting thing to add. With a little TLC, these old inexpensive rifles can get pretty good groupings. Blorp

Ag_man | 02-21-2009 08:31 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Nice shootin', Blorp! Thanks for the link for the scope mount.

Twisted Avatar | 02-26-2009 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty Harry (Post 1563413) [FONT="Comic Sans MS"]TA ... Just a heads up but http://www.centerfiresystems.com/762x54r.aspx has the 7.62x54R for sale at $80 per spam can.
Got two of them coming my way for 189 shipped. Thanks for the info :ok: T

Igotyour6 | 03-05-2009 10:17 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants don't forget to get oil and solvent stocked up as well

Twisted Avatar | 03-05-2009 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Igotyour6 (Post 1610026) don't forget to get oil and solvent stocked up as well
Is there any particular one you recomend??? also Mosin's dont use "stripper clips" do they?? T

Blorp | 03-05-2009 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1610100) Is there any particular one you recomend??? also Mosin's dont use "stripper clips" do they?? T
You can use stripper clips. I haven't. I always load one at a time till I get 5 loaded up. Figured the purchase of the clips was an extra expense that I didn't need to make.

reviver | 03-06-2009 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1610100) Is there any particular one you recomend??? also Mosin's dont use "stripper clips" do they?? T
Oh yeah they do. The important thing to remember when stacking rimmed rounds in your mosin is that the top rounds rim is in front of the bottom rounds rim. Loads better that way, but it is made for fools, and will tolerate your mistakes. Not sayin you're a fool brother... Shoot straight... Remember what dub said... Molon labe... Bring it on...

SLV>GLD | 03-06-2009 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1610100) [B]Is there any particular one you recomend???
Hoppe's #9 is formulated to neutralize the corrosive salts left by the primers. I'd still use a hot water flush before cleaning.

FireMattMillen | 03-06-2009 10:22 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants My Mosin Nagant just arrived two days ago - I can't wait to get it to the range this weekend!

AOW | 03-06-2009 10:52 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants I was also inspired to pick one of these up last weekend along with 66 rounds of ammo to feed it with another 440 rounds being delivered today. As much as I'd like to take it out and bruise my shoulder, I think I'm just going set this package aside for awhile.

Twisted Avatar | 03-06-2009 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by AOW (Post 1610872) I was also inspired to pick one of these up last weekend along with 66 rounds of ammo to feed it with another 440 rounds being delivered today. As much as I'd like to take it out and bruise my shoulder, I think I'm just going set this package aside for awhile.
Center fire has a good deal on 440rd Spam Cans for 80 bucks I would pick up a few as soon as the budget allows. http://www.centerfiresystems.com/762...tam54r440.aspx

AOW | 03-06-2009 11:29 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Thank You!

Twisted Avatar | 03-08-2009 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by AOW (Post 1610934) Thank You!
They also have 500rd 124Gr 9MM for 120.00 I called and they told me it was Amercan Eagle.........Good stuff :ok: T

Igotyour6 | 03-08-2009 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1610100) Is there any particular one you recomend??? also Mosin's dont use "stripper clips" do they?? T
I use Hoppes powder solvent, and Remington gun oil. Just because it what is available. I think I read some place that you use grease on the Mosin Nagants and I do recall seeing small tins of grease in the SKS that were sold about every place back in the early 90's. I do not know where you use this grease, perhaps some one else does. I have heard that the all in one type oil is not well suited for guns as it will get sticky over time. I think it would be prudent to have plenty on hand because I know how a dirty rifle is not as fun as a clean one. lot of boys were found in the mud with cleaning rods in their hands in s e asia, perhaps because of poor chambers on their issued rifles, or perhaps because of improper cleaning. my .22 semi auto becomes a bolt action if it gets dirty. with out solvent and oil, I would be cranky

Igotyour6 | 03-08-2009 08:23 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Quote:
Originally Posted by AOW (Post 1610872) I was also inspired to pick one of these up last weekend along with 66 rounds of ammo to feed it with another 440 rounds being delivered today. As much as I'd like to take it out and bruise my shoulder, I think I'm just going set this package aside for awhile.
Take it out and shoot it before you need it, you may fid you need to do some extra cleaning or something to make the bolt slide freely and in a nead situation you do not want to be fiddling around.

CrufflerJJ | 03-08-2009 08:52 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Quote:
Originally Posted by Igotyour6 (Post 1614523) I use Hoppes powder solvent, and Remington gun oil. Just because it what is available. I think I read some place that you use grease on the Mosin Nagants and I do recall seeing small tins of grease in the SKS that were sold about every place back in the early 90's. I do not know where you use this grease, perhaps some one else does.
No grease is really needed on Mosin Nagant rifles. You could add a dab at the cocking piece/sear interface for a smoother trigger pull, and maybe some on the cocking piece/bolt body camming surfaces, but this isn't really necessary. Plain gun oil works just fine for lubrication. I use Breakfree CLP, after cleaning with mil-surplus corrosive bore cleaner (or Windex). The only "heavy duty" cleaning place on the MN might be the chamber walls, if there's lacquer melted in there. If left in place, that could result in difficult extraction/bolt opening.

Igotyour6 | 03-10-2009 08:27 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants are you guys finding any ammo that is not FMJ? the LGS has non corrosive primer steel shell, in the tin sardine cans, I am not quite sure, but I think they are FMJ

Blorp | 03-10-2009 08:58 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants If you want SP, you need to go to Privi Partizan or Sellier Bellot (spelling is probably bad), or reload. I've shot a bunch of the S&B through mine and it works pretty well.

Igotyour6 | 03-10-2009 09:07 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants would some one enlighten me on FMJ, I know the SP and HP mushroom, but why is so much of the surplus FMJ? did they not want something that would mushroom so much?

Abouthadit | 03-10-2009 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Igotyour6 (Post 1618158) would some one enlighten me on FMJ, I know the SP and HP mushroom, but why is so much of the surplus FMJ? did they not want something that would mushroom so much?
My 2c is that FMJ is the standard mil ball ammo designed to wound rather than kill, that way you can take him and the two guys carrying him out of the theater of combat.

CrufflerJJ | 03-11-2009 08:04 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Quote:
Originally Posted by Igotyour6 (Post 1618158) would some one enlighten me on FMJ, I know the SP and HP mushroom, but why is so much of the surplus FMJ? did they not want something that would mushroom so much?
Most surplus is FMJ since it is nearly all coming out of military stores. Most ammo used in the military is FMJ, and it's rare to find anything else. This stems from Hague Convention "rules" on kind, sensitive, cruelty-free ammo to use when you're trying to kill your enemy.:sarc:

Igotyour6 | 03-11-2009 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by meatman (Post 1563397) bought my last 2 from http://www.jgsales.com/product_info....oducts_id/2570 look like they are brand new plus the hex is a plus I have 6 and theses where the best 2 I have bought got about 3 weeks ago 1932 and a 1934 one week from order to my ffl
thanks meatman, got one of these on order this evening. hand selected from J&G as you suggested. Shopped around 5 LGS's and found one with a stock of 10 or 12, but he was 100 bucks over the price I can get one shipped and pay the transfer fee. they tried to talk me into buying 6 to get a discount. guess it will take a couple of weeks to arrive.:565::5_1_120:

Igotyour6 | 03-19-2009 06:55 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants found a video on the disassembly of this rifle You Tube
You Tube
he has a nice collection of other guns on his bed also

Twisted Avatar | 03-19-2009 06:57 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Man that is awesome!!! Thanks so much for this!!! I owe you three mercury dimes :ok: T

meatman | 03-19-2009 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1585619) Nice shootin', Blorp! Thanks for the link for the scope mount.
bought this scope and mount for one of mine 1 min to put on and works great http://www.combathunting.com/ILLUMIN...Rifle_Kit.html

Between The Wheels | 03-19-2009 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by meatman (Post 1635350) bought this scope and mount for one of mine 1 min to put on and works great http://www.combathunting.com/ILLUMIN...Rifle_Kit.html
I found this at overstock.com for $11 + 2 or 3 dollars shipping for one of my Mausers: http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys...6/product.html

Igotyour6 | 03-19-2009 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1635230) Man that is awesome!!! Thanks so much for this!!! I owe you three mercury dimes :ok: T
well for all of the info I have gained by reading your posts I would have to deplete my mercury dime stash!

Igotyour6 | 03-19-2009 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by meatman (Post 1635350) bought this scope and mount for one of mine 1 min to put on and works great http://www.combathunting.com/ILLUMIN...Rifle_Kit.html
I am considering this option as well, but I would like to get a mount that would allow me to keep my iron sites intact, I believe the scope mount that came with the sniper rifle would alow you to keep the iron sites. I know this is redundant, but what if in a serious situation I knock my scope off or way out of alignment and do not have my iron sites. I believe in redundancy and options should I need them. I wonder if my best bet for this would be the original scope and mount?

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Igotyour6 | 03-20-2009 10:39 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants http://www.jgsales.com/product_info....oducts_id/1059 http://www.bigskyguns.com/Yankee_Hil...uppressor.html http://www.buymilsurp.com/pistol-par...c-3546_57.html note that you can buy replacement .32 cylinder You Tube
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meatman | 03-20-2009 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Between The Wheels (Post 1635449) I found this at overstock.com for $11 + 2 or 3 dollars shipping for one of my Mausers: http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys...6/product.html
that is the mount that came in my scope package, works great just pop the pin holding the rear site and install the mount where the pin was 30 secounds. can't beat that price might have to buy a few of them

Igotyour6 | 03-20-2009 09:03 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants a really good article on a sticking bolt on the Mosin Nagant http://www.surplusrifle.com/articles...burr/index.asp

igorthesmall | 03-20-2009 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1610896) Center fire has a good deal on 440rd Spam Cans for 80 bucks I would pick up a few as soon as the budget allows. http://www.centerfiresystems.com/762...tam54r440.aspx
Looks like those cans are $110 now.

igorthesmall | 03-20-2009 09:49 PM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants Ive ordered two 800 round cans from Aimsurplus. I have one already, the other I will probably get next week or so. http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/C...ight_Ball.html 150 bucks for 800 rounds, and it looks really cool too! One of these days I am going to get a rifle or three that shoot it!

SLV>GLD | 03-21-2009 11:51 AM
Re: Thinking REALLY hard on Mosin Nagants ammunitiontogo is selling 440rds outside the can for 79.95. Seems the can is running another $20 if you look elsewhere. http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...teel-core-ammo The cans are nice, though. Wish I'd found this deal before I opened one of mine.

Twisted Avatar | 03-21-2009 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by igorthesmall (Post 1637610) Looks like those cans are $110 now.
This is what makes a frenzy happen. I swear imma go out and buy some more My cans just jumped 40 bucks in value at the snap of a finger Dam........this is surreal. T

Usury | 03-24-2009 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1614582) No grease is really needed on Mosin Nagant rifles. You could add a dab at the cocking piece/sear interface for a smoother trigger pull, and maybe some on the cocking piece/bolt body camming surfaces, but this isn't really necessary. Plain gun oil works just fine for lubrication. I use Breakfree CLP, after cleaning with mil-surplus corrosive bore cleaner (or Windex). The only "heavy duty" cleaning place on the MN might be the chamber walls, if there's lacquer melted in there. If left in place, that could result in difficult extraction/bolt opening.
Where do you find mil-surp corrosive bore cleaner?

CrufflerJJ | 03-24-2009 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Usury (Post 1642764) Where do you find mil-surp corrosive bore cleaner?
You can find it on eBay or gunbroker.com. It's probably easier to find on eBay. Search for "bore cleaner". If/when you pick some up, make sure it is the WWII version, not the Vietnam war era stuff (which is for non-corrosive ammo). If you can see a closeup photo of the can label, it should show Specification and Purchase Order numbers. The stuff I have are "Specification RIXS-205 Rev 1" and "Spec RIXS-205 Rev #1 & Amend. #3". The purchase order numbers on my cans start with a "43-" or "44-", which suggests they're from 1943 & 1944. I've seen 2 versions of this stuff - a milky white version (which has a decent smell), and the more common nasty brown smelly stuff. They both work well on corrosive ammo. Here are a few examples I found online: http://cgi.ebay.com/WWII-US-GI-BORE-...3%3A1|294%3A50 http://cgi.ebay.com/WWII-RIFLE-BORE-...3%3A1|294%3A50 http://cgi.ebay.com/WWII-2oz-Bore-Cl...3%3A1|294%3A50 http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=125200892 http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=125285378 Some of these are for 2 oz cans, while others are for 6 oz. I've only bought 6 & 32 oz cans in the past, since 2 oz seems awful dinky.

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