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tekhen | 03-11-2009 12:29 AM
a quick question to all... Okay many here have 1 or 2 firearms while some have a mini fortress. I have yet to see the following discussed. How many are ready for hand-to-hand combat if the situation arises? The incident at the church in Illinois had me thinking about being prepared with or w/o a firearm.

wondering | 03-11-2009 12:56 AM
Re: a quick question to all... To be honest, I am not sure that we can do much without the firearm with what we would be up against. With all the talk of what "might happen" it sounds as if it will be an armed situation. They tell you not to bring a knife to a gun fight. I have taken some self defense courses but I don't plan and hope to never be close enough to have to use my body as a weapon. I think the key would be to know the areas that would hurt a person the most. Groin, shin, eyes, and things like that. You can not be afraid that you may hurt them. You have to be willing to do what it takes to protect yourself. That is the one thing that people forget and the freeze up because we are all taught to be too polite. (guilty) I am not a fan of firearms. When my friend first took me out to go shooting to try it out and see what I thought. I cried and I was shaking. I did not want to pick up another gun again. Then as I thought it through and as I see the news, have experienced a few situations that were not life threatening but it was clear that the person did not care about how I felt, I have decided that a firearm is not a bad thing. If someone entered my home, they are not there because they are concerned for my safety or my feelings. I am in my home and I deserve to defend and protect my family. Gun safety and training is a good way to go. My friend is skilled so I know where I am getting my training. They have taught others in the past. If you get a firearm become familiar with it, train with it, and become skilled with it so that if you have to use it, you are not fumbling with it if you need it. It is best to be prepared. With all the stories of shootings in the news it is easy to say that firearms are bad. It is not the firearms, it is those who are doing the shootings that have the issues. Banning guns are only going to get law-bidding people to turn them in. Some people who believe in the Constitution/Bill of Rights will not because we should not have them taken away from us. Bottom line, do what you are most comfortable for you and your family to be prepared.

Glass | 03-11-2009 01:14 AM
Re: a quick question to all... I'm not ready or capable for that kind of thing. I know I need to do something about it. I am looking at krav maga of all things. There are a couple studios in my home town that teach it. I have a new studio open just around the corner but I am not sure what they teach. It just says self defence academy. I found an interesting set of krav videos on the P2p which could be worth looking at. Not going to teach you all you need to know but you can see what kind of self defence system it is. It actually seems to be a mix of boxing, kick boxing and a few other things. It also seems to be pretty agressive response mind set. None of this deflection. It focuses on ending the threat quickly with maximum damage from what I can see. Big screen examples are the Bourne movies.

Roxx | 03-11-2009 01:57 AM
Re: a quick question to all... My family teaches korean martial arts, tea kwon do, hap ki do, etc but I think if your looking for quick take outs you should be looking into combat juijitsu. There a several interesting styles comming out of Penshin and Okinawa.

EE_ | 03-11-2009 02:08 AM
Re: a quick question to all... I was always facinated with the martial arts and wished I would have taken a real interest in learning. As it were, I chose to study the most deadly of the arts, "Bang Fu"!

GSM/MM | 03-11-2009 02:08 AM
Re: a quick question to all... too old to take an ass whoopn' (see reasons to carry). so am armed 99% of the time. local rules for carry in church are must show just cause. no further elaboration. well as for as cause- see headline about violence in churches. in instances where i cant carry without being detected i don't go if i have a choice in the matter. only policy i adopted from clinton in some circumstances is my version of don't ask don't tell ...so if firearm is taken away its onto the nearest club, chair, sharp stick, etc. if you are offended by me carrying a gun(told pastor) don't ask me.

Ghost Recon | 03-11-2009 02:13 AM
Re: a quick question to all... This may save you a busted knuckle or two: http://www.defensedevices.com/mace-g...per-spray.html

End of Hope | 03-11-2009 02:59 AM
Re: a quick question to all... Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Recon (Post 1618736) This may save you a busted knuckle or two: http://www.defensedevices.com/mace-g...per-spray.html
A gimmick. Trust the best: http://www.foxlabs.com/pepperspray.shtml

Tn...Andy | 03-11-2009 04:25 AM
Re: a quick question to all... Quote:
Originally Posted by GSM/MM (Post 1618731) too old to take an ass whoopn' (see reasons to carry). so am armed 99% of the time. local rules for carry in church are must show just cause. no further elaboration. well as for as cause- see headline about violence in churches. in instances where i cant carry without being detected i don't go if i have a choice in the matter. only policy i adopted from clinton in some circumstances is my version of don't ask don't tell ...so if firearm is taken away its onto the nearest club, chair, sharp stick, etc. if you are offended by me carrying a gun(told pastor) don't ask me.
Exactamundo my policy. I'm especially prone to carry in the typical "gun free" zones like restuarants that serve drinks, going to the Post Office, the bank, etc....since those seem to attract the type that like to use a firearm for purposes of mass destruction. The only place I don't carry is the courthouse where you have to pass thru a metal detector.

skyvike | 03-11-2009 04:38 AM
Re: a quick question to all... I could do just fine with a guy my age and probably even surprise younger guys who think they are tough. A younger guy with fresh training in good shape or a good street fighter is going to kick my ass. I'll take any advantage I can get..... (and never tangle with Andy!)

CrufflerJJ | 03-11-2009 08:00 AM
Re: a quick question to all... Quote:
Originally Posted by Glass (Post 1618648) I'm not ready or capable for that kind of thing. I know I need to do something about it. I am looking at krav maga of all things.
EXCELLENT hand to hand style. Very reality oriented.

phideaux | 03-11-2009 08:01 AM
Re: a quick question to all... If only it were this easy. :s1: You Tube
You Tube

Silver Shield | 03-11-2009 08:10 AM
Re: a quick question to all... I've had Marine LINE training... It's just best to conceal carry... Somebody please post the Indiana Jones scene where Indy drops the huge guy with the sword...

CrufflerJJ | 03-11-2009 08:23 AM
Re: a quick question to all... Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Recon (Post 1618736) This may save you a busted knuckle or two: http://www.defensedevices.com/mace-g...per-spray.html
If it's any good, that is. Not all pepper sprays are created alike. It's interesting to note that there's NO heat rating listed for that pepper gel in the ad (or on the click-through poster about why your department should buy this wonder-goop). I like Fox Labs or BodyGuard pepper sprays (though there are other good brands out there). I'd prefer to avoid a nasty encounter if at all possible. Sometimes, though, it's just not possible. Somebody earlier posted about learning what areas would hurt people the most (groin, shin, eyes,...). If it gets to the point where you are faced with a person holding a weapon & can't escape, you don't think about "hurting" the person. You focus on destroying the person. You do your level best to stop (translation from PC-speak: KILL) them. You only think about hurting delicate places on your opponent so they drop their guard & expose the areas you really want to attack. Some people unfortunately think that once they own a firearm (often left in a dresser drawer in the bedroom), they are "safe." Even if you carry concealed on a regular basis, a pistol is just another tool in your toolbox. There are situations where there is no time to draw & use your pistol. In these circumstances, hand-to-hand would be a useful skill to have in your toolbox. Guns, knives, OC, H2H - these are all just tools. Your main WEAPONS are situational awareness & an overriding attitude that you are going to survive.

morganchaser | 03-11-2009 08:30 AM
Re: a quick question to all... Krav maga is good shit. Went to a couple classes. Have a huge crush on this girl who kept going. She went on and is now a "level 4" or something. Could kick my ass without a doubt. Has a cage match coming up. :bear_cry: I'm going to show support, but I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to stomach it. I hope she wins by a landslide. ...I guess I can buy her some flowers if TSHTF :36_3_12: I'll handle the munitions and she can keep me company in federal buildings/when I run out of ammo.

Mantokir | 03-11-2009 08:45 AM
Re: a quick question to all... Quote:
Originally Posted by Glass (Post 1618648) I'm not ready or capable for that kind of thing. I know I need to do something about it. I am looking at krav maga of all things. There are a couple studios in my home town that teach it. I have a new studio open just around the corner but I am not sure what they teach. It just says self defence academy. I found an interesting set of krav videos on the P2p which could be worth looking at. Not going to teach you all you need to know but you can see what kind of self defence system it is. It actually seems to be a mix of boxing, kick boxing and a few other things. It also seems to be pretty agressive response mind set. None of this deflection. It focuses on ending the threat quickly with maximum damage from what I can see. Big screen examples are the Bourne movies.
That's exactly the mentality they want you to have with Krav Maga. I did it for about 6 months before life got too crowded and had to stop. The class I went too drilled into your head "No rules". You do what you have to do to eliminate the threat, and get out of there as fast as possible. Groin shots, eyes, throat, everything is open for attack. That's it... There's some boxing, Muay Thai, jiujitsu, and everything runs off of "natural reaction" nothing fancy like you see in the kung-fu movies. The training is even more realism based, I did multiple attackers, attacked in a crowd (say a dance club), attacked while leaning against a wall, low light, actual training outside (yes this does matter), attacked while on ground (tripped or sucker punched), etc.... I definitly recommend it... I wanna get back into it as soon as life lets me.

wondering | 03-11-2009 10:28 AM
Re: a quick question to all... Quote:
Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1618934) Somebody earlier posted about learning what areas would hurt people the most (groin, shin, eyes,...). If it gets to the point where you are faced with a person holding a weapon & can't escape, you don't think about "hurting" the person. You focus on destroying the person. You do your level best to stop (translation from PC-speak: KILL) them. You only think about hurting delicate places on your opponent so they drop their guard & expose the areas you really want to attack. Guns, knives, OC, H2H - these are all just tools. Your main WEAPONS are situational awareness & an overriding attitude that you are going to survive.
I posted the PC word hurt. I still have this STUPID issue that I am working with of being PC. It comes from all my training/working with preschool, kindergartners and school aged kids. We were always taught to soften our words. You are right though. You are to whatever is necessary to save yourself and the lives of those you love or around you from the attacker(s). *I was still sort of PC.*:applause_

Bill843 | 03-11-2009 01:16 PM
Re: a quick question to all... Quote:
Originally Posted by tekhen (Post 1618577) Okay many here have 1 or 2 firearms while some have a mini fortress. I have yet to see the following discussed. How many are ready for hand-to-hand combat if the situation arises? The incident at the church in Illinois had me thinking about being prepared with or w/o a firearm.
Against a firearm, not much else is real good. ----- Being good at hand-to-hand is difficult, because it requires regular practice in a class setting. It's not like shooting, that you can practice at alone. -end-

wallew | 03-11-2009 01:35 PM
Re: a quick question to all... I have given you all the solution time and again. Find yourself a small sized METAL FIRE EXTINGUISHER. Keep several at hand. They are GREAT at putting out fires. They are also GREAT AT PUTTING DOWN BAD GUYS. Again, we are discussing 'hand to hand' type stuff. You pull the pin and fill the bad guys eyes, nose, mouth, ears and any other orafice showing FULL of white powder. After you are sure you have the situation under control --- BEAT THE EVER LOVING SNOT OUT OF HIM/HER WITH THE METAL CONTAINER. UNTIL THEY ARE NO LONGER BREATHING........ PROBLEM SOLVED. See how easy it is???? And NO ONE looks twice at a fire extinguisher.

reviver | 03-11-2009 01:49 PM
Re: a quick question to all... Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 1619536) And NO ONE looks twice at a fire extinguisher.
I have heard that hairspray works pretty good too. I believe I read it on GIM somewhere.

hypervel | 03-11-2009 01:57 PM
Re: a quick question to all... I'm all about the sissy slap fighting. If the threat of a thorough semi erotic beat down doesn't do the trick, there's always plan B......... Seriously.....Who the fuk has the time to commit to really LEARNING martial arts (and such) for defense? Singles? The rich and/or idle-unemployed? Kids? This family man doesn't have the time. 9 hrs committed to work, another hour round trip for work. An hour to hour and a half for supper. Kid's events...that's why I'm a parent, right? Laundry has to get done...household other chores otherwise-let alone the various and sundry cleaning events that get overlooked. How about maintenance/repair of whatever? Don't forget shopping, whether for clothes or groceries. Yeah, I'm gonna go learn Kung Fu. Tell y'all what. IF you make mortal fear in me or my family, you will be gutted by means that I won't detail via net...... I'm thinking mall ninjas.....................

JJ_ | 03-11-2009 02:06 PM
Re: a quick question to all... Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 1619536) I have given you all the solution time and again. Find yourself a small sized METAL FIRE EXTINGUISHER. Keep several at hand. They are GREAT at putting out fires. They are also GREAT AT PUTTING DOWN BAD GUYS. Again, we are disucssing 'hand to hand' type stuff. You pull the pin and fill the bad guys eyes, nose, mouth, ears and any other orafice showing FULL of white powder. After you are sure you have the situation under control --- BEAT THE EVER LOVING SNOT OUT OF HIM/HER WITH THE METAL CONTAINER. UNTIL THEY ARE NO LONGER BREATHING........ PROBLEM SOLVED. See how easy it is???? And NO ONE looks twice at a fire extinguisher.
Does that work on JBT's?:biggrin::565:

Doge | 03-11-2009 02:10 PM
Re: a quick question to all... 11 years of Muay Thai and submission wrestling training. Informal weapons training. Always carrying a tactical knife. I'm comfortable with or without a weapon.

thorgrim | 03-11-2009 02:36 PM
Re: a quick question to all... Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill843 (Post 1619491) Against a firearm, not much else is real good. ----- Being good at hand-to-hand is difficult, because it requires regular practice in a class setting. It's not like shooting, that you can practice at alone. -end-
Depends on the range and skill level. Gun is still best though. I like wallew fire extinguisher idea too.

FireMattMillen | 03-11-2009 02:58 PM
Re: a quick question to all... Hopefully, if the situation arises when hand-to-hand combat is required, you will be carrying a handgun (which should give you a good start at winning the fight).

gbgunner | 03-11-2009 03:20 PM
Re: a quick question to all... :cry1::emotions16: That's great! Mind if I use it elsewhere? Quote:
Originally Posted by EE_ (Post 1618728) I was always facinated with the martial arts and wished I would have taken a real interest in learning. As it were, I chose to study the most deadly of the arts, "Bang Fu"!

mtnman | 03-11-2009 07:18 PM
Re: a quick question to all... Quote:
Originally Posted by GSM/MM (Post 1618731) too old to take an ass whoopn' (see reasons to carry). so am armed 99% of the time. local rules for carry in church are must show just cause. no further elaboration. well as for as cause- see headline about violence in churches. in instances where i cant carry without being detected i don't go if i have a choice in the matter. only policy i adopted from clinton in some circumstances is my version of don't ask don't tell ...so if firearm is taken away its onto the nearest club, chair, sharp stick, etc. if you are offended by me carrying a gun(told pastor) don't ask me.
Same here, too old to take a whoopin'. I'm never unarmed and almost never more than short jog to a rifle.

Bill843 | 03-11-2009 09:30 PM
Re: a quick question to all... Quote:
Originally Posted by thorgrim (Post 1619672) Depends on the range and skill level. Gun is still best though. I like wallew fire extinguisher idea too.
I've often thought that a fire extinguisher would be really awesome for crowd dispersion, if you emptied out the fire-powder stuff and re-filled it with powdered pepper. You'd probably want to have a gas mask on before squeezing the handle tho'..... -end-

Satyr | 03-11-2009 09:45 PM
Re: a quick question to all... I think Chuck says it best. You Tube
You Tube
PS- Thanks to JJ ShortStroke for starting that thread and putting Chuck in the front of my mind :bear_tongue:.

MOD1 | 03-11-2009 10:10 PM
Re: a quick question to all... Armed when and where legal. Otherwise, I try to have a plan or two. :biggrin: Take care, Mod1

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Re: a quick question to all... If it comes to fisticuffs, I'm calling the cops!

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