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Black Blade | 06-15-2008 12:38 AM
Gun Control Group Braces for Court Loss Gun Control Group Braces for Court Loss 'We've Lost the Battle on What the 2nd Amendment Means,' Brady Campaign Head Says by TEDDY DAVIS June 12, 2008� The nation's leading gun control group filed a "friend of the court" brief back in January defending the gun ban in Washington, D.C. But with the Supreme Court poised to hand down a potentially landmark decision in the case, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence fully expects to lose. "We've lost the battle on what the Second Amendment means," campaign president Paul Helmke told ABC News. "Seventy-five percent of the public thinks it's an individual right. Why are we arguing a theory anymore? We are concerned about what we can do practically." While the Brady Campaign is waving the white flag in the long-running debate on whether the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to bear arms or merely a state's right to assemble a militia, it is hoping that losing the "legal battle" will eventually lead to gun control advocates winning the "political war." "We're expecting D.C. to lose the case," Helmke said. "But this could be good from the standpoint of the political-legislative side." The D.C. ban prohibits residents from keeping handguns inside their homes and requires that lawfully registered guns, such as shotguns, be locked and unloaded when kept at home. If the Supreme Court strikes down the D.C. gun ban, the Brady Campaign is hoping that it will reorient gun control groups around more limited measures that will be harder to cast as infringements of the Second Amendment. "The NRA [National Rifle Association] won't have this fear factor," Helmke said. Brady Campaign Attorney Dennis Henigan said there are multiple gun control measures that would not run afoul of a Supreme Court decision striking down the D.C. gun ban. "Universal background checks don't affect the right of self-defense in the home. Banning a super dangerous class of weapons, like assault weapons, also would not adversely affect the right of self-defense in the home," said Henigan. "Curbing large volume sales doesn't affect self-defense in the home." The Brady Campaign expects pro-gun groups to use the Supreme Court's decision in the DC case to challenge a gun ban in Chicago, the major city whose gun laws come closest to the nation's capital. Although the Brady Campaign expects the Chicago ordinance to be challenged, it thinks that it may survive because it does not have the restrictions on long guns like the ones found in Washington, D.C. The Chicago law may also survive because a decision in the D.C. case will likely not resolve the issue of whether the Second Amendment applies to the states and other cities that are not federal enclaves. Looking beyond the Supreme Court's D.C. gun ban case to the race for the White House, the Brady Campaign views Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., as a better friend to gun control advocates than Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. But given that McCain stood by his support for closing "the gun-show loophole" during a recent speech to the N.R.A., the Brady Campaign president hopes that new gun restrictions can make headway regardless of who wins in November. "For John McCain to be the political candidate of the NRA shows how things have changed," Helmke said. ABC News' John Santucci contributed to this report. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=5055064&page=1

SilverSalmon | 06-15-2008 03:30 AM
Re: Gun Control Group Braces for Court Loss This is crazy, Criminals get guns illegally in any form they like, we law abiding citizens get our balls put on the chopping block especially in California and D.C. And this accomplishes what? Less crime, I seriously hate these people. When they're in Camps, and the guns have been taken away, then what. They'll probably be like Parsons in 1984.

graspAU | 06-15-2008 09:56 AM
Re: Gun Control Group Braces for Court Loss Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSalmon (Post 1147014) This is crazy, Criminals get guns illegally in any form they like, we law abiding citizens get our balls put on the chopping block especially in California and D.C. And this accomplishes what? Less crime, I seriously hate these people. When they're in Camps, and the guns have been taken away, then what. They'll probably be like Parsons in 1984.
I agree with you for the most part. All one has to do is look at what has happend throughout history when guns have been banned. It's a human control measure. It is the opposite of freedom. These people that try to ban guns are small minded idiots and they will get the "opposite of freedom" and maybe extermination that they deserve. Join GOA.

SWRichmond | 06-15-2008 11:49 AM
Re: Gun Control Group Braces for Court Loss Of course, the beauty of the second amendment is that it leaves the ultimate political power diffuse in the hands of the many where it is most difficult to abuse. The only way it can be exercised is under the exact circumstances when it needs to be: when the majority, or a very significant minority, of citizens have so totally lost faith in their government that they are willing to kill and die to change it. This is the embodiment of the spirit of the Declaration of Independence.

Twisted Avatar | 06-15-2008 12:12 PM
Re: Gun Control Group Braces for Court Loss Quote:
Originally Posted by TechGuy (Post 1147346) I see them as well intentioned liberals who cannot see that they are being used as a means to an end. I place the following groups in that category: PETA Brady group and other anti gun lobbies Greenpeace and associated ultra environmentalists DNC United Way All in some way or another, while well meaning on the exterior only do the work that in the end prepares the way for total control.
They all have stink of Rockerfeller and CFR money. T

Twisted Avatar | 06-15-2008 12:16 PM
Re: Gun Control Group Braces for Court Loss "Universal background checks don't affect the right of self-defense in the home. Banning a super dangerous class of weapons, like assault weapons, also would not adversely affect the right of self-defense in the home," said Henigan. "Curbing large volume sales doesn't affect self-defense in the home." And when the criminal comes in my house with a tech 9 and I have my cap-gun (painted florencent gun so no-one is confused) I still got the odds stacked in my favor right?? IDIOT. T

the toxic avenger | 06-15-2008 06:00 PM
Re: Gun Control Group Braces for Court Loss The second amendment is not about hunting OR even only home defense. The banning of new production class three weapons for civilian sales are unconstitutional in my opinion. As the citizen militia, we are supposed to be able to be armed with the standard issue military rifle of the time.

Big_Rob | 06-15-2008 08:54 PM
Re: Gun Control Group Braces for Court Loss Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1147371) "Universal background checks don't affect the right of self-defense in the home. Banning a super dangerous class of weapons, like assault weapons, also would not adversely affect the right of self-defense in the home," said Henigan. "Curbing large volume sales doesn't affect self-defense in the home." And when the criminal comes in my house with a tech 9 and I have my cap-gun (painted florencent gun so no-one is confused) I still got the odds stacked in my favor right?? IDIOT. T
LoL!!! I wonder what these people are going to do when they find out that the true power granted by the 2nd amendment is the power of the people to violently overthrow the government :D Self defense isnt the half of it.

GoldMaster | 06-15-2008 09:56 PM
Re: Gun Control Group Braces for Court Loss So what is suppose to change ?

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