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rhoggman | 02-04-2009 12:34 PM
Random Thoughts on Self Defense We now live in touchy feely world where animals are people (except for cows, pigs, chickens, lambs and a few others), where men are women (vice versa), morality is subjective, and heroes are people like ganbangers, rapists, juvenile delinquent sports stars, and Harvey Milk. Does it really surprise you that someone feels bad for a violent criminal or equates their worth in the world to any other human being? The Scales of Justice need major calibrating, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Oh yeah, and Berny Maddof is still free, but I guarantee if you lift a candy bar from 711 your going to end up in the slammer. What is a person to think? What are we all supposed to believe? What is left to believe in? People are confused! We now live in world where so many things are contradicted by the next "event", that most people have just accepted the fact that they are merely along for the ride. It is impossible to make sense of it all, and I am convinced it is not supposed to make sense. The liquefying of your brain matter is all part of the "agenda". My favorite thing currently on the chopping block is the whole "bailout" scenario. That fact that it continues is evidence to me that Americans have mostly lost their ability to think critically. Moral of the story is I applaud anyone who has the stones to rid the world of a slug(violent criminal), in a lawful situation. The act of doing so, or the willingness to do so is proof that you have not lost your ability to reason, and that you still understand morality as not defined by a post-modern zombie citizen.

elroy | 02-04-2009 12:41 PM
Re: Random Thoughts on Self Defense There are 3 rules that apply to self defense. The perp must have the ability [weapon] to hurt/kill you The perp must be close enough to hurt/kill you The perp must indicate his intention to hurt/kill you These are the classic rules for engaging in legal self defense. Of course they are subject to the laws in your state. Anytime you take the step to defend yourself or another person you will most likely be investigated and the case presented to a grand jury. You may also be sued by the perp or his family.

Heimdhal | 02-04-2009 12:43 PM
Re: Random Thoughts on Self Defense To me, everyone is equal, even the post-modern zombie until they do something to deny some one else their basic rights, inflict harm unjustly or take from them unjustly. Once that threshold is crossed, basic justice should be promptly delivered. The post-modern zombies deserve the ability to pursue their own happiness and means as anyone else, the problem is they lack the intelligence, for whatever reason, to do so without infringing on some one else. Of course they feel they are justified in doing so and so I will always feel justified in reminding them that not everyone will willingly be infringed on. It usualy a painful reminder.

SLV>GLD | 02-04-2009 12:44 PM
Re: Random Thoughts on Self Defense So the gist of your ramble is that the concept of self defense has been reduced to only those situations involving bodily harm. Maybe the reason for this is because people still teach themselves how to defend from this sort of attack while defense of other attacks is a lost art; e.g. your allusion to liquefying brain matter. The interesting counterpoint is that a great deal of people would accept violent physical attack when the attacker is clearly in the moral wrong with no defense for themselves. Is this the ultimate result of the dissolution of all the other forms of self-defense?

Twisted Avatar | 02-04-2009 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by elroy (Post 1549429) There are 3 rules that apply to self defense. The perp must have the ability [weapon] to hurt/kill you The perp must be close enough to hurt/kill you The perp must indicate his intention to hurt/kill you These are the classic rules for engaging in legal self defense. Of course they are subject to the laws in your state. Anytime you take the step to defend yourself or another person you will most likely be investigated and the case presented to a grand jury. You may also be sued by the perp or his family.
Brother El speaks true.. The split second you pull that trigger you get "THE MARK OF CAIN" Nobody will care to know "the facts" other than you are a killer. That is why if you have to use one.....you better be prepared to use the other.

Canadian-guerilla | 02-04-2009 01:00 PM
Re: Random Thoughts on Self Defense buying up a few extra 50lb bags of rice is self-defense mapping an escape route out of the city is self-defense turning off the tv and reading the Foxfire series is self-defense it all depends what you're defending yourself against

rhoggman | 02-04-2009 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1549436) So the gist of your ramble is that the concept of self defense has been reduced to only those situations involving bodily harm. Maybe the reason for this is because people still teach themselves how to defend from this sort of attack while defense of other attacks is a lost art; e.g. your allusion to liquefying brain matter. The interesting counterpoint is that a great deal of people would accept violent physical attack when the attacker is clearly in the moral wrong with no defense for themselves. Is this the ultimate result of the dissolution of all the other forms of self-defense?
Not at all.... Physical Defense is just a sign that you can still reason and or have a morality. Many people would never commit a violent act even if it were legal, justified, and a self preserving action. My point is much the same of your point in the last two sentences of your post. People have become "post-modern zombies" and are basically willing to give their entire life away to something "immoral" (like a violent criminal). The cheif reason IMO is that people have been conditioned to just take whatever comes at them. Not owning weapons, (primarily guns) or viewing weapon ownership as bad is a hallmark of a defeated people. Luckily, and a little less pessamistic in nature, is the fact many people in America do own guns; however, I believe many of those people may decide to part with them freely when the day comes.

hypervel | 02-04-2009 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Canadian-guerilla (Post 1549469) buying up a few extra 50lb bags of rice is self-defense mapping an escape route out of the city is self-defense turning off the tv and reading the Foxfire series is self-defense it all depends what you're defending yourself against
Well said.:9536:

Twisted Avatar | 02-04-2009 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by rhoggman (Post 1549558) Not at all.... Physical Defense is just a sign that you can still reason and or have a morality. Many people would never commit a violent act even if it were legal, justified, and a self preserving action. My point is much the same of your point in the last two sentences of your post. People have become "post-modern zombies" and are basically willing to give their entire life away to something "immoral" (like a violent criminal). The cheif reason IMO is that people have been conditioned to just take whatever comes at them. Not owning weapons, (primarily guns) or viewing weapon ownership as bad is a hallmark of a defeated people. Luckily, and a little less pessamistic in nature, is the fact many people in America do own guns; however, I believe many of those people may decide to part with them freely when the day comes.
You are painfully correct in your assement my good sir. Even though we are the most heavily armed population on the planet. A good majority do not understand the gravity of there duty to family, community and Country FIRST. Many will sucumb to pressure of a nagging or fearful spouse, desperation to raise cash to 'live", Fear of the State, demoralization at odds of success or the pressure of there peers to submit .......like they did. It will be a most gut wrenching day indeed when I see Free Americans willfully take up the chains of slavery by surrenduring there arms. They will soon reap the whirlwird of there folly. Myself? I will stand with the few who believe that they were born free and none can lay claim to them save their God. I will stand with my Sisters and Brothers to the last breath.

The Argent Dragon | 02-04-2009 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1549640) I will stand with my Sisters and Brothers to the last breath.
Got your backside TA with my Dragon Militia ! http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/apc.gif http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/army.gif

Twisted Avatar | 02-04-2009 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1549710) Got your backside TA with my Dragon Militia ! http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/apc.gif http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/army.gif
I HEARD THAT AD :ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:

luft97 | 02-04-2009 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by elroy (Post 1549429) There are 3 rules that apply to self defense. The perp must have the ability [weapon] to hurt/kill you The perp must be close enough to hurt/kill you The perp must indicate his intention to hurt/kill you
Hey, since the government is practicing Preemptive war as a means of self defense it should be OK if the citizens do the same right? The perp COULD have had the ability to hurt me. The perp COULD have gotten close enough to hurt me. The perp most likely in the future would have the intention of killing me. :4_1_72: Think we could argue this in the courts? :wink:

Keyboard | 02-04-2009 03:50 PM
Re: Random Thoughts on Self Defense 1 Attachment(s) Attachment 62349 Whoever clawed their way into this first lifeboat can answer these deep metaphysical moralized questions. The others still on deck are thinking it over... :bear_rolleyes:

BullionVince | 02-04-2009 04:18 PM
Re: Random Thoughts on Self Defense TA you reminded me, I need to buy a couple of really good shovels.:thumb.aspx:

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