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leadfoot | 05-14-2009 06:35 AM
Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Express Police Supply Also some .45 cal. I've bought from them before and had good luck so far.

elroy | 05-14-2009 10:30 AM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock I'm still waiting on the 9mm +P+ I ordered March 11th. When I placed the order it showed it was in stock. Good Luck.

The Argent Dragon | 05-14-2009 10:42 AM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock What does 'bonded' mean ? .......are these reloads ?

SWRichmond | 05-14-2009 10:45 AM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock bonded ammo: a process to bond the bullet core to the jacket http://www.winchester.com/lawenforce...anger%20Bonded

SilverCity | 05-14-2009 10:46 AM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1722310) What does 'bonded' mean ? .......are these reloads ?
The copper jacket is bonded to the lead core to keep it from separating and ensures consistent expansion.

madcow | 05-14-2009 12:44 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy (Post 1722292) I'm still waiting on the 9mm +P+ I ordered March 11th. When I placed the order it showed it was in stock. Good Luck.
My exact experience too. Beware if it shows in stock because it probably isn't and I'd call first. Stacking orders up for months seems to be a tactic used by online gun brokers. I'm still waiting for a Ruger LCP I ordered 3 months ago that was advertised, 'Hurry! In stock!' (different website). I've been carefully watching their back order numbers grow and yet, almost weekly, they'll show 4 in stock for a few hours only. I called the company last week and a lady admitted they were just now filling orders from August 2008! I'm pretty sure my CC expiration date will rollover before I get my order.

Dawg | 05-16-2009 03:05 AM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy (Post 1722292) I'm still waiting on the 9mm +P+ I ordered March 11th. When I placed the order it showed it was in stock. Good Luck.
Happened to me also. I have cancelled two orders in as many weeks for stuff that showed it was in stock. When I checked the status of my order, it showed backordered, so I sent an email cancelling. I won't bother with them any more.

madcow | 12-01-2009 12:59 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock 8 months later my order finally arrived. The ammo crunch must be over.:confused_ma:

SilverCity | 12-01-2009 01:01 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Quote:
Originally Posted by madcow (Post 2053345) 8 months later my order finally arrived. The ammo crunch must be over.:confused_ma:
Yikes...8 months?

madcow | 12-01-2009 01:11 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Yup. Ordered in mid March actually and had just about forgotten about it. Got some boxes of the 9mm Ranger law enforcement stuff. Paid $194 delivered and I see some on gunbroker for $300 for 500 rounds. Think I'll stash a bunch away and take a look again in a few years.

New2This | 12-01-2009 01:18 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock I bought a 500 case of 147 gr. Ranger T 9mm hollow-point ammo from OMB back in June with free shipping, and just received it last week. I am glad I bought it when I did, because now you have to prove that you are one of the "thin blue line" in order to place an order for this stuff.

tulsamal | 12-01-2009 04:10 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Quote:
I am glad I bought it when I did, because now you have to prove that you are one of the "thin blue line" in order to place an order for this stuff.
I assume you are talking about a change in some particular vendor's policies. There are no legal reasons for such a thing. Winchester (among others) has tried to restrict some of their ammo to LEO only but there are lots of vendors who find ways around that. I prefer the 127 grain +P+ stuff myself. Gets me as close as possible to .357 SIG ballistics but in a 9mm. Gregg

S_Goldberg | 12-01-2009 04:23 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Quote:
Originally Posted by madcow (Post 2053345) 8 months later my order finally arrived. The ammo crunch must be over.:confused_ma:
The ammo crunch is mostly over. This vendor may be slow or it may be the particular product you purchased. All popular handgun calibers have been in stock at nearly every online vendor for several months now.

New2This | 12-01-2009 05:26 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock I assume you are talking about a change in some particular vendor's policies. There are no legal reasons for such a thing. Winchester (among others) has tried to restrict some of their ammo to LEO only but there are lots of vendors who find ways around that. I prefer the 127 grain +P+ stuff myself. Gets me as close as possible to .357 SIG ballistics but in a 9mm. Gregg Yeah, its just OMB's policy now, including 124 and 127+p+ hollow point Ranger T ammo. Even though my CZ 75 B and 75 D PCR should be able to handle the +p+ ammo, I was afraid of causing undue wear and tear during practice with said ammo, so I figured modern 147 gr would kill plenty good while being easy on the barrels. I burned thru three "test" boxes initially, and liked the way it shot, so I ordered the case, thinking I would be able to shoot some from time to time, then store the rest. Now I am storing the whole 10 box lot since OMB will no longer sell to me. I have not been able to find this RA9T ammo for sale to the public anywhere else, so if any of you have, please post it here. Winchester does make a similar USA9JHP2 147 gr that is for public consumption. I don't know the difference between that and RA9T, but I was not able to get any sites that have that "in-stock" either, so I had just given up on trying to get some for a test. This post has re-ignited my quest. Thanks.

Burl Ives | 12-01-2009 06:40 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock The bullet used in the Ranger T loads is not the same as the one used in the 'USA' loads. The T bullet gives you, well, everyone has seen an expanded T bullet. The 'USA' brand personal protection bullet gives you a more traditional mushroom type of expansion. The 'USA' PP bullet is the same bullet used in the Bass Pro SXZ line (with lubalox coating added), the silvertip line (with whatever they put on those for the silver finish), and is one of the WW or White Box loads sold in some places on occasion. I've never seen any performance tests done with the 147gr bullets, but most of the Win PP bullets do quite well compared to 'premium' bullets of other companies in head to head expansion and penetration tests. OMB will still sell you ammo, just not anything in the Ranger line. Their prices might be ok for someone looking for some practice ammo, but only with a free shipping code and no chinamarts close by. **sending PM to New2This**

SilverCity | 12-01-2009 06:57 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock "T" is for Talon, as in Black Talon...as in Ranger "T" Series ammunition I have some ballistics charts and pictures of Win 147 JHP (USA) somewhere... The 147gr load was issued to L.A. County Sheriff deputies, and San Diego PD a few years back, I believe...

mick silver | 12-01-2009 07:47 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock i have been using this ammo for some time an i like it alot ,,Winchester� Bonded PDX1 ....http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...837&hasJS=true in the 147gr

SilverCity | 12-01-2009 07:59 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock 1 Attachment(s) here it is...

Fatboy | 12-01-2009 09:40 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 2054167) here it is...
Those look like bullets, only smaller! Must be the angle of the camera or something:) In all seriousness, nice picture.

S_Goldberg | 12-01-2009 10:51 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 2054167) here it is...
Not to crap on your post, but pictures don't mean a whole lot (although the winchester white box is obviously not a good choice). Gelatin testing (despite its serious limitations) is a better test of performance. FBI test are your best bet if you are looking to compare performance. The latest stuff isn't here, but there are a bunch of the standbys. http://demigodllc.com/~zak/firearms/fbi-pistol.php

SilverCity | 12-01-2009 11:36 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Beg pardon...the wet phone book is a valid as any other to compare relative expansion. No other criterion was tested. And exactly WHAT does "jello-shooting" prove. Never met anyone of that consistency...yet. Street effectiveness? Marshall and Sanow. Seems much more relevant to me, even the Strasbourg tests on live goats (if real).

S_Goldberg | 12-01-2009 11:57 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock The gelatin allows one get an idea of what kind internal damage the bullet will do. Strasbourg tests show frangible rounds as the clear winner which is not corroborated by real life experience. Gelatin testing on the other hand has a much better track record of gaging performance. Does it accurately simulate the human body? Nope. However, it has a better track record than the Strasbourg tests. And no, I am not a Fackler-ite, nor do I put much stock into Marshall and Sanow. I don't think we can do much better than gelatin. Simulating the rib cage would be a significant improvement for starters. If you look at the FBI data, you can see that expansion is not the end of bullet performance. If all you wan to see if expansion, by all means use water jugs, gelatin, phone books, whatever. All I was saying is that there is more to performance and gelatin allows you to see this.

SilverCity | 12-02-2009 12:18 AM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock It was just a picture for Pete's sake... Data is just that...data. IT IS DRAWING THE WRONG CONCLUSIONS THAT CAN GET YOU KILLED. FBI reports show 16% of LE killed in the line of duty were shot with their OWN weapon. Jello tests didn't help them at all. Another FBI study shows the most common killer of cops...22LR, 25 auto, 32 auto. Be sure and include that in your "data". FBI conclusions: Officers placed way too much confidence in the ability of their vests to stop bullets. FTW, I believe M&S conclusions agree with Strasbourg "data" that light and fast hollowpoints were most "effective" for the "mythical" one-shot-stops. Not saying I agree or disagree. I'll say again, I never met anyone built of "jello"... Bone, tendon, muscle...moving and pumped on adrenaline, meth or crack. Good luck.

State of Jefferson | 12-02-2009 01:24 AM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Quote:
Originally Posted by S_Goldberg (Post 2053758) All popular handgun calibers have been in stock at nearly every online vendor for several months now.
I'm curious where you're looking? I see the exact opposite. Out. Out. Out. Backorder. Backorder. Backorder. Cabela's. Midway. CTD. Widener's. Bass Pro. Gander. Ammo to Go is sporadic.

mick silver | 12-02-2009 01:29 AM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Bass Pro an Cabela have the ammo in store if you live close to one

wallew | 12-02-2009 01:11 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock You guys are shopping at the wrong site. Try gunbroker. Use 'Winchester Ranger' in your search... http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=148642650 Winchester Ranger 9mm 147 gr T series Law Enforcement buy it now price of $341 (s&h included in this price). Case of 500. Not a great price, but not a deal killer either. Lots of it out there. Gun Broker ammo sellers are a fairly honest bunch. Days of cheap ammo are pretty much over for now. Might come back one day. Or not.

S_Goldberg | 12-02-2009 01:33 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 2054716) It was just a picture for Pete's sake... Data is just that...data. IT IS DRAWING THE WRONG CONCLUSIONS THAT CAN GET YOU KILLED. FBI reports show 16% of LE killed in the line of duty were shot with their OWN weapon. Jello tests didn't help them at all. Another FBI study shows the most common killer of cops...22LR, 25 auto, 32 auto. Be sure and include that in your "data". FBI conclusions: Officers placed way too much confidence in the ability of their vests to stop bullets. FTW, I believe M&S conclusions agree with Strasbourg "data" that light and fast hollowpoints were most "effective" for the "mythical" one-shot-stops. Not saying I agree or disagree. I'll say again, I never met anyone built of "jello"... Bone, tendon, muscle...moving and pumped on adrenaline, meth or crack. Good luck.
Agreed......

S_Goldberg | 12-02-2009 01:37 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Quote:
Originally Posted by State of Jefferson (Post 2054796) I'm curious where you're looking? I see the exact opposite. Out. Out. Out. Backorder. Backorder. Backorder. Cabela's. Midway. CTD. Widener's. Bass Pro. Gander. Ammo to Go is sporadic.
You can find the best deals on ammo here: http://gun-deals.com/ Here is some in stock 9mm http://www.ammo-connection.com/ http://www.jgsales.com/product_info....roducts_id/487 http://www.natchezss.com/ammo.cfm?co...&prodID=CC3509 http://www.copesdistributing.net/pro...oducts_id=1963

tulsamal | 12-02-2009 02:11 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Quote:
i have been using this ammo for some time an i like it alot ,,Winchester� Bonded PDX1
The new Win Bonded .45 ACP has me very interested. Of course you run into the same problem, seems to be out of stock everywhere! Gregg

New2This | 12-02-2009 02:22 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock "Winchester Ranger 9mm 147 gr T series Law Enforcement buy it now price of $341 (s&h included in this price). Case of 500. Not a great price, but not a deal killer either." Man, that's a deal killer for me. My last case of 500 RA9T from OMB cost jut $189 shipped. So, OK, I retract my original statement about there being no ammo available; there is plenty of ammo out there if you are willing to bend-over, grab your ankles, and spell R-U-N for the supplier.

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wallew | 12-02-2009 03:04 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock I do understand the sentiment. But like $300 oz gold, inexpensive ammo is a thing of the past. At least for the near future that I see. I guess the thing I see is that, right now at $34 a box it seems really expensive. But when it's $50 - $75 a box and not available, this will SEEM like a great deal. Just like $300 oz gold would be. I guess it's where you see things going. I see things getting worse for awhile. Hopefully we will get better eventually. But I DO understand exactly what you are saying.

mick silver | 12-02-2009 03:11 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock i also see a day when the cost will be so high you cant go to the range

leadfoot | 12-02-2009 03:30 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock This is awful. 2 cases of 9mm Ranger showed up today. I had placed an order for 1 box back in April but never rcvd a confirmation. When I called they couldn't find a record of it so I placed a new order. I guess they found it! At least they honored the sale price. With the new ammo prices, this turns out to have been a better investment than any of my PM purchases. :cry1: Now I just have to figure out what to do with all this ammo that's in a caliber I don't use. Probably sell or trade one case. Problems, problems, sigh.

madcow | 12-03-2009 03:57 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock 1 Attachment(s) Decided to open a box, rest is stashed. I love the smell of fresh ammo in the morning. Ahhh!

Lucky225 | 12-03-2009 04:15 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock I order ammo from them all the time. Just jump through their hoops as far as, "are you law enforcement or first responder?" oh yes of course I run my own private security firm would you like a copy of the letter head *wink*. they don't care just play the game sheesh. that should not be a deal breaker and damn do they have good prices on 12 guage stuff :)

wallew | 12-03-2009 04:58 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Quote:
Originally Posted by leadfoot (Post 2055886) This is awful. 2 cases of 9mm Ranger showed up today. I had placed an order for 1 box back in April but never rcvd a confirmation. When I called they couldn't find a record of it so I placed a new order. I guess they found it! At least they honored the sale price. With the new ammo prices, this turns out to have been a better investment than any of my PM purchases. Now I just have to figure out what to do with all this ammo that's in a caliber I don't use. Probably sell or trade one case. Problems, problems, sigh.
I'm telling you folks right now. READ what's happened elsewhere when this occurs. Ammo, if available at all is ONLY available in popular calibers. And the cost is through the roof. YA, YOU BETCHA it's a better investment than any of your PM purchases. Wait one year and look at the investments again. You might decide that even though your ammo will probably go up faster than PM's, when TPTB decide it's time for you to turn yours in?? Price will be no object at that point. Good people will survive, however poorly. Bad people will attempt to take advantge of the situation. Some will, others will fail completely. They aren't 'investments', they are bullets. Put then in your warm gun. You AND your warm gun will be happy. Yes, nothing like opening a fresh case of ammo. ANY time of the day or night. Just like a new car smell.

Shoden | 12-04-2009 03:30 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock I stopped by their retail store today and was told that Winchester was sending new requirements to their distributors to restrict sales of "Law Enforcement" ammo to law enforcement only so that we lowly civilians would stop buying out the supply and let the cops get some. It's not just the RA9T that has that requirement now. They've added it to pretty much all of the LE ammo, including the RA9B and the 12 gauge shells. However, that apparently only really applies to online orders, because I was able to buy as much as I wanted (limited by what was in stock and what my budget currently allows, of course) over the counter.

Lucky225 | 12-04-2009 04:17 PM
Re: Ranger 9mm & shotgun ammo now in stock Shoden, You might be right but I just ordered alot of 12 and 45 bonded online and thats all they asked. It was easy peezy japaneezy. Lemme know if you have any questions. of course buying instore is always better, cash and no shipping ;)

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