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meatman | 11-08-2008 08:38 AM
725 yard shot My kind of gal. What do you think happens when so "wise ass" starts trying to impress her with his "War Stories" On Easter the ex-cheerleader (age 19) in this picture was watching a road that lead to a NATO military base when she observed a man digging by the road. She engaged the target, and she shot him. Turned out he was a bomb maker for the Taliban and he was burying an IED that was to be detonated when a U.S. patrol walked by 30 minutes later. It would have certainly killed and wounded several soldiers. The interesting fact of this story is the shot was measured at 725 yards. She shot him as he was bent over burying the bomb. The shot struck him in the butt blowing into the bomb which detonated. He was blown to pieces. The Air Force made a motivational poster of her. Her name is Kimmy. To you we say, HOO-AH! Thanks for your service! http://meatman.smugmug.com/photos/41...2_tG8GB-XL.jpg

ruprick | 11-08-2008 09:19 AM
Re: 725 yard shot 725 yards is getting our there....not taking abnything away from her. But in NRA High Power Rifle....you shoot 600 yards with open sights (peep sights).....in the old days, it was all 30.06 bolt action 1903 and 1903A3 rifles....then it beacme M1 Garands.....then it became M1A (Like an M14)....now they are doing it with the AR-15. 600 yards with open sights.....shooting prone with a sling.....no support other than the shooter and the sling and the ground....meaning no bench rest....a good shooter can put it on a man target all day with open sights. An expert classification shooter can put it on a dinner plate at 600 yrds with open sights. This is with a highly accurized rifle that has all external appearances of being a stock military rifle. So, in perspective 725 yards with a sniper rifle with a scope and off a bench rest is pretty good, buy not that hard to do....if she knew the range via a laser range finder.... Now, 1000 yrds is a lot harder. The challenge with long range shots when sniping.....is knowing the distance...and adjusting for the wind. With a laser range finder...no problem...but using your eye and getting it right is the skill. Most folks do not realize that on a 1000 yard shot, the mid-range trajectory has the bullet at 30 feet above target....that means you could stack 2 semi-truck trailers on top of each other and the bullet would pass over the stack and still hit the target at ground level...while you are sighting under the bed of the bottom trailer! At 1000 yards, the 30 cal bullet is approaching sub-sonic...for farm math...about 1000 ft/sec.....it has fallen from 30 feet mid range trajectory.....is dropping at about 50 feet per second.....so, 1000 fps is about a third of a second to travel the length of a 300 ft/100 yard football field.......1/3 of a second x 50 ft/sec downward "drop" velocity.....the bullet is dropping about 16 feet for every 100 yards it travels. You can see that you must be 100% accurate on distance judgement to even come close to hitting the target ....a miscalculation of 100 yards in a 1000 yard shot results in a mis by 16 feet. On a range of known target distances this is not a problem, but out in the field....it is impressive when a sniper made 1000 yard shots in Vietnam (no laser ranging) and hit his target. If you are a shooter...you can appreciate the fact that in the last 100 yrds of a 1000 yrd shot...the drop is nearly 16 feet.

Caligula | 11-08-2008 10:01 AM
Re: 725 yard shot Quote:
Originally Posted by meatman (Post 1404742) My kind of gal. What do you think happens when so "wise ass" starts trying to impress her with his "War Stories" On Easter the ex-cheerleader (age 19) in this picture was watching a road that lead to a NATO military base when she observed a man digging by the road. She engaged the target, and she shot him. Turned out he was a bomb maker for the Taliban and he was burying an IED that was to be detonated when a U.S. patrol walked by 30 minutes later. It would have certainly killed and wounded several soldiers. The interesting fact of this story is the shot was measured at 725 yards. She shot him as he was bent over burying the bomb. The shot struck him in the butt blowing into the bomb which detonated. He was blown to pieces. The Air Force made a motivational poster of her. Her name is Kimmy. To you we say, HOO-AH! Thanks for your service! http://meatman.smugmug.com/photos/41...2_tG8GB-XL.jpg
Interesting and heart-warming story. There is another way that those soldiers would have been saved though too.... NOT BEING OVER THERE IN THE FRIST ****ING PLACE!!!! :banghead::banghead:

meatman | 11-08-2008 10:20 AM
Re: 725 yard shot The current record for longest range sniper kill is 2,430 metres (7,972 ft), accomplished by a Canadian sniper, of the third battalion Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (3 PPCLI), during the invasion of Afghanistan, using a .50 BMG (12.7 mm) McMillan bolt-action rifle. That's some shot he broke Carlos Hathcocks record for the longest range sniper kill. I was reading about this shot and it said that the round had a flight time of four seconds, and a drop of 44.5 m (146 ft). Like I was saying before amazing shot and so was Carlos Hahcocks shot achieved during the Vietnam War, at a distance of 2,250 m. Two excellent shots and two excellent snipers.

meatman | 11-08-2008 11:00 AM
Re: 725 yard shot would of been better if it was true, thats what I get for opening my junk email. http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/cheerleader.asp

Twisted Avatar | 11-08-2008 11:12 AM
Re: 725 yard shot The one thing I always dreamed about doing was going for sniper training. That is rare breed of person indeed. T

ruprick | 11-08-2008 11:35 AM
Re: 725 yard shot I'd say Hathcock made the better shot.....he did it with a single round from a BMG machine gun....not a newer BMG based sniper rifle. Hathcock made his shot based on a fixed sniper location...so he was able to study the distances of shots in that area....so he had an idea of the distance he was shooting - and that helped a lot. I have not studied Hathcock's 50 BMG shot much beyond what I read about it in "One Shot - One Kill". Those long shots have long flight times. Long flight times mean there is a lot of time from trajectory apogee (peak altitude) for the bullet to experience gravity. Let's examine a 4 second flight time shot: Firstly, does 4 seconds sound reasonable? I think the 50 BMG has simipar muzzle velocity to a 30.06....say 3000 fps....and by the time it gets to 2200m...probably near sub-sonic....that is about maximum range......call it 1000 fps.....call the average velocity 1500 pfs.....probably closer to 1300....or 400 m/s.....2200m/400m = 5.5 seconds flight time....so it could be high 4 seconds...probably 5 seconds is a better estimation. If shot from a barrel with no inclination.....5 seconds of drop would be - (9.81m/s/s...about 10 m/s/s acceleration of gravity). Total Drop = 0.5(a)(t^2) = 0.5(10)(5)^2 = 0.5 x 10 x 25 = 125 m of total drop. To make it easy, let's just say 2.5 seconds of flight up to apogee and 2.5 more down to impact.....when in fact the peak apogee would happen beyond the midpoint of the shot...due to slower velocity at the end of the shot....but I'm lazy with my "farm math"...so.....2.5 seconds of drop from peak of flight.....drop = (0.5)(10)(2.5 x2.5) = 30 m drop from peak of flight. Perhps the flight time was more like 5.5 seconds or even 6 seconds.....to give 3 seconds of drop......0.5 x 10 x 3^2 = 45m. A lot of time in the air! That is where wind of just 5 mph (barely can be felt on your face)......5 mph = 7.5 fps.....7.5 fps x 6 seconds flight time = 45 feet of wind drift. See how hard it is to make these long shots!!!!!

ruprick | 11-08-2008 11:47 AM
Re: 725 yard shot Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1404914) The one thing I always dreamed about doing was going for sniper training. That is rare breed of person indeed. T
TA, Think about getting into NRA High Power Rifle.....you can do it for under $2000 total equipment cost .....you shoot out to 600 yrds. I bet there is a range within your area. I'm up in Michigan...but I'm only 3 horus drive from Camp Perry Ohio....where they have the National Champoinships every year. They also have 1000 yrd mathces down there. For under $100 you could got to Camp Perry DCM small arms shcool in the summer. Get to shoot the AR-15 at 200 and 300 yards. You can take a guy that can shoot reasonably well and been around guns and get them to put 40 out of 40 shots on man sized target at 300 yards prone (on the ground using a sling) with a bone stock AR-15 with open sights. A good shooter will put them in a 12 a circle. A lot of folks can make 300 yard shots....if they know the distance. The hardest thing about distance shooting in the field is figuring out the distance...and doping for the wind is #2.

Argentsum | 11-08-2008 12:47 PM
Re: 725 yard shot LOL. I know I'm not a sniper. I shot expert in the military but I averaged only a 40% hit rate against 300m half silhouettes with iron sight m-16s. This from a prone position against targets that were stationary. I never really saw the targets that well at 300m, but there was some reflection off the targets and thats what I fired at. My eyesight was never too good. 725 yards is a long ways away, and 2000+ yards? Good God, thats not sniping, thats exceedingly accurate artillery.

shades2 | 11-08-2008 01:15 PM
Re: 725 yard shot Not to diminish the actions and skill of many snipers, but there are a lot of high-falootin' tales out there which no-one can verify. It seems some people just have to have a mystique about things, or killing people with a powerful gun kind of loses its romanticism.

Twisted Avatar | 11-08-2008 01:54 PM
Re: 725 yard shot Thanks Ru. I may have to do some investigating into that. T

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