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TechGuy | 10-08-2009 02:38 PM
Gun-toting soccer mom found shot dead Another story with a moral.... don't do this, or you will end up like her. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33220258...me_and_courts/ EBANON, Pa. - A soccer mom who gained national attention when she openly carried a loaded gun to her 5-year-old daughter's game was shot dead Wednesday along with her husband in what appeared to be a murder-suicide, police said.Meleanie Hain and Scott Hain were pronounced dead Wednesday night at their home in Lebanon, a small city about 80 miles west of Philadelphia. The couple's three children were home at the time but weren't hurt, police said. They were taken to stay with friends and relatives. Meleanie Hain, 31, and Scott Hain, 33, had been having marital problems for about a week, neighbor Mark Long said. Scott Hain had left the couple's home on Tuesday, and Meleanie Hain didn't know where he was, but he returned Wednesday, Long said. Autopsies on the Hains were to be conducted Thursday, coroner Dr. Jeffrey Yocum said. Meleanie Hain made headlines after she attended a children's soccer game in a park on Sept. 11, 2008, with a handgun in plain view holstered on her hip, upsetting other parents. The county sheriff, Michael DeLeo, revoked her gun-carrying permit nine days later. Hain successfully appealed the permit revocation, although the judge who restored the permit questioned her judgment and said she had "scared the devil" out of other people at the game. Harassment Hain sued DeLeo in federal court, alleging that he violated her constitutional rights and prosecuted her maliciously when he took the permit away. She said that because of his actions her baby-sitting service had suffered, her children had been harassed and she had been ostracized by her neighbors in Lebanon, which has about 25,000 residents. Click for related content Guns near Obama fuel 'open carry' debate DeLeo said at Hain's appeal that he revoked her permit after fielding the parents' complaints. He said he based his decision on a state law that prohibits certain gun permits from being given to anyone whose character and reputation make him or her a danger to public safety. After Hain sued DeLeo, the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which says it tries to reform the gun industry through sensible regulations, offered to defend him for free. "It is a case that calls out for common sense," Brady Center attorney Daniel Vice said then. "It's ridiculous to bring a gun to a child's soccer game." A court hearing on Hain's $1 million lawsuit was postponed in May after an attorney in the case was involved in a traffic accident.

Bx3 | 10-08-2009 03:15 PM
Re: Gun-toting soccer mom found shot dead Quote:
Originally Posted by TechGuy (Post 1962071) Another story with a moral.... don't do this, or you will end up like her. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33220258...me_and_courts/ Hain successfully appealed the permit revocation, although the judge who restored the permit questioned her judgment and said she had "scared the devil" out of other people at the game. Harassment Hain sued DeLeo in federal court, alleging that he violated her constitutional rights and prosecuted her maliciously when he took the permit away. She said that because of his actions her baby-sitting service had suffered, her children had been harassed and she had been ostracized by her neighbors in Lebanon, which has about 25,000 residents.
This goes to show that just because you may be right, does not make you smart. As well as drawing un recommended attention to yourself from the general public (sheep), if I am a perp and I see someone with an open carry firearm in my target area, guess who is getting my full attention (if not my first bullet). Be the gray man people! Surprise is an exponential advantage when confronting evil! Bx3

Twisted Avatar | 10-08-2009 03:21 PM
Re: Gun-toting soccer mom found shot dead Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx3 (Post 1962136) This goes to show that just because you may be right, does not make you smart. As well as drawing un recommended attention to yourself from the general public (sheep), if I am a perp and I see someone with an open carry firearm in my target area, guess who is getting my full attention (if not my first bullet). Be the gray man people! Surprise is an exponential advantage when confronting evil! Bx3
It has been know to turn the tide in battles that were supposed to be lost. GREY MAN IT IS. T

hoarder | 10-08-2009 03:31 PM
Re: Gun-toting soccer mom found shot dead Live by the gun, die by the gun. You see, guns have a mind of their own and they tell you to kill. That's what they're made for, to kill, nothing else. You are vulnerable to the gun's power of suggestion and you may kill yourself or someone else. At least that's what the jewsmedia wants us to think. I bet this gets quite a bit of coverage.

rogold | 10-08-2009 03:35 PM
Re: Gun-toting soccer mom found shot dead yeah, what a blow for the constitutional rights group...shame

rogold | 10-08-2009 03:36 PM
Re: Gun-toting soccer mom found shot dead Or could it have been a setup?

St. Germain | 10-08-2009 03:38 PM
Re: Gun-toting soccer mom found shot dead Look at the Sheriff - he had the most to gain.....

TechGuy | 10-08-2009 03:48 PM
Re: Gun-toting soccer mom found shot dead Quote:
Originally Posted by St. Germain (Post 1962194) Look at the Sheriff - he had the most to gain.....
Exactly...conveniently suicided...

Juristic Person | 10-08-2009 05:51 PM
Re: Gun-toting soccer mom found shot dead If she argued that open carry was a constitutional right, then why the hell did she ever ask for permission (apply for a permit - that is easily revokable) to exercise that right??? Constitutional rights do not require permits. .

Prometheus | 10-08-2009 11:51 PM
Re: Gun-toting soccer mom found shot dead Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx3 (Post 1962136) As well as drawing un recommended attention to yourself from the general public (sheep), if I am a perp and I see someone with an open carry firearm in my target area, guess who is getting my full attention (if not my first bullet). Be the gray man people! Surprise is an exponential advantage when confronting evil! Bx3
The last time an Open Carrier has been attacked while open carrying was back in the early 60's... when was the last time someone concealed carrying was attacked? The idea that open carrying is "asking for trouble" (aside from ignorant LEOs) is asinine. It's f'ing ridiculous. There is NOTHING to back up such a retarded statement. If you want to prevent a crime, open carry. If you want to play quick draw mccgraw and bet your faster than the badguy, conceal carry. I'm about 50/50 depending on the day, my mood and clothing. Nothing wrong with either one, but for the love of silver, stop propagating lies about open carry.

goldgun | 10-09-2009 12:01 AM
Re: Gun-toting soccer mom found shot dead I believe in OC. However I don't do it for fear of prosecution. :confused_m: What a fascist slayer I would make. :bawling:

Saul Mine | 10-09-2009 12:26 AM
Re: Gun-toting soccer mom found shot dead Quote:
"It is a case that calls out for common sense," Brady Center attorney Daniel Vice said then. "It's ridiculous to bring a gun to a child's soccer game."
First rule of gun fighting: You must have a gun. Ridiculous is when a gun fight starts and you don't have one.

Goldhedge | 10-09-2009 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Saul Mine (Post 1963042) First rule of gun fighting: You must have a gun. Ridiculous is when a gun fight starts and you don't have one.
Then you instantly volunteer as a 'target'....

Bx3 | 10-09-2009 12:31 PM
Re: Gun-toting soccer mom found shot dead Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 1962989) The last time an Open Carrier has been attacked while open carrying was back in the early 60's... when was the last time someone concealed carrying was attacked? The idea that open carrying is "asking for trouble" (aside from ignorant LEOs) is asinine. It's f'ing ridiculous. There is NOTHING to back up such a retarded statement. If you want to prevent a crime, open carry. If you want to play quick draw mccgraw and bet your faster than the badguy, conceal carry. I'm about 50/50 depending on the day, my mood and clothing. Nothing wrong with either one, but for the love of silver, stop propagating lies about open carry.
I stand by my statement. The words "asinine" and "retarded" are yours. Your statement regarding open carrier attacks is not verifiable (how convenient). I'm sure you have plenty of experience dealing with the bad guys though. Good luck. Bx3

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