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Satyr | 05-26-2009 09:30 PM
Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick I'm surprised this hasn't been posted here yet. Quote:
By Ken Blackwell Senior Fellow, American Civil Rights Union/Family Research Council President Obama�s nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor is a declaration of war against America�s gun owners and the Second Amendment to our Constitution. If gun owners mobilize and unite, it�s possible (though unlikely) to stop this radical nominee. ����� According to Judge Sotomayor, if your state or city bans all guns the way Washington, D.C. did, that�s okay under the Constitution. ����� Last year the Supreme Court handed down the landmark decision in D.C. v. Heller, holding that the Second Amendment right to bear arms applies to individual citizens in their private lives. The ruling marked a turning point in gun rights in this country. In the past year, the biggest question courts now face is whether the Second Amendment applies to the states. That may sound crazy, but the reality is that the Bill of Rights only controls the federal government, it doesn�t apply directly to states or cities. Only the parts of the Bill of Rights that are �incorporated� through the Fourteenth Amendment apply to the states. Since the Heller decision, only two federal appeals courts have written on the Second Amendment. That�s six judges out of about 170. Of those six, three said the Second Amendment does apply to the states. And those judges were out of the liberal Ninth Circuit in California, and included a judge appointed by Bill Clinton and another appointed by Jimmy Carter. � Even leftist judges can get this. But not Judge Sonia Sotomayor. She is one of only three federal appellate judges in America to issue a court opinion saying that the Second Amendment does not apply to states. The case was Maloney v. Cuomo, and it came down this past January. That means if Chicago, or even the state of Illinois or New York, wants to ban you from owning any guns at all, even in your own house, that�s okay with her. According to Judge Sotomayor, if your state or city bans all guns the way Washington, D.C. did, that�s okay under the Constitution. This issue could not be more important. Today, on the very day President Obama has announced Judge Sotomayor�s nomination, the National Rifle Association is arguing Second Amendment incorporation in court before the Seventh Circuit in a case challenging the Chicago ban on handguns. If this case, or one like it, goes to the Supreme Court, Justice Sotomayor would say that Chicago can ban all your guns. If she can persuade her liberal colleagues on the Court to join her, it could become the law of the land that states and cities can ban guns. Should that happen, then you can expect anti-gun liberals in state legislatures to rush to pass new state laws doing exactly that. The White House is telling us all about Judge Sotomayor�s compelling personal story � and it is an amazing story of what is possible �only in America.� But compelling personal stories are not the question. Miguel Estrada, whom President George W. Bush nominated to the D.C. Circuit appeals court and was planning on nominating to the Supreme Court, had a compelling story as a Hispanic immigrant who legally came to this country not even speaking English. Democrats filibustered Mr. Estrada. Supporters point out that Judge Sotomayor was first appointed by George H.W. Bush for the federal trial court � before Bill Clinton elevated her to the Second Circuit appeals court. That�s true, but George H.W. Bush also gave us Justice David Souter, so clearly he wasn�t too careful about putting liberals on the federal bench. We can�t allow the left to hide behind the Bushes. But when it comes to gun rights, we don�t need to guess. Judge Sotomayor has put in writing what she thinks. President Obama has nominated a radically anti-Second Amendment judge to be our newest Supreme Court justice. There are a number of pro-Second Amendment Democratic senators from deeply red states, including Mark Begich from Alaska, Jon Tester and Max Baucus from Montana, Ben Nelson from Nebraska, Byron Dorgan and Kent Conrad from North Dakota, and Tim Johnson from South Dakota. These senators will jeopardize their seats if they vote to support an anti-gun radical for the Supreme Court. Second Amendment supporters will now be up in arms over this radical anti-Second Amendment nominee, and you should never underestimate the political power of American gun owners. Ken Blackwell is a senior fellow with the American Civil Rights Union and the Family Research Council.
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/20...ama_sotomayor/

poor boy | 05-26-2009 09:59 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick Wake up whitey.

UncaScrooge | 05-26-2009 10:14 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick It's a matter of time before "THEY" try to make their move... let's hope they never get the chance to "go for it." I think the genie's out of the bottle (gun and ammo shortages due to newcomers stocking up), and if "THEY" don't get that, whoa... bad news all around! When is the American public who voted for "hope and change" going to realize that this BOZO they voted for is giving them the EXACT OPPOSITE of what they hoped would change???

Shasta Gold | 05-26-2009 10:45 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick The Second Amendment is not dependent upon what a whore in a robe says it means. The Second Amendment is dependent upon what gun owners are willing to do to protect it.

Walter Mitty | 05-26-2009 11:12 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick The States can pass laws that say the State law under State constitutions supercede city laws. I.E. Cities cannot pass laws infringing on rights granted under State Constitutions. That will solve the problem. Also what if a city passed a law restricting 1st Amendment rights to free speech? What would the Justices of the Supreme Court rule? Washington DC is a Federal district, not under the rule of law of any State Constitution.

Julian | 05-27-2009 01:49 AM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Mitty (Post 1740206) The States can pass laws that say the State law under State constitutions supercede city laws. I.E. Cities cannot pass laws infringing on rights granted under State Constitutions. That will solve the problem.
Most states already have laws that preempt county and state governments from passing laws regarding firearms that are more restrictive than state law, and only allow localities to regulate small things like discharge of a firearm. But what if you are stuck in a shithole like Illinois, that will never pass a preemption statute? Should a human right be subject to the whims of the legislature, or are they to be held inviolable? However, since Souter was not particularly a friend of the second amendment, replacecing him with another anti rights bigot won't particularly change the makeup of the court. Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Mitty (Post 1740206) Also what if a city passed a law restricting 1st Amendment rights to free speech? What would the Justices of the Supreme Court rule? Washington DC is a Federal district, not under the rule of law of any State Constitution.
The first amendment was "incorporated" against the states(and counties and cities) after the passage of the 14th amendment. http://www.google.com/search?q=incorporation+doctrine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorpo...Bill_of_Rights) That would apply the 1st to all city and county legislatures, as well.

meatman | 05-27-2009 01:41 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick [David Kopel, May 26, 2009 at 3:07pm] Trackbacks Highly Dubious Claim against Sotomayor: Something (to which I will not link) has appeared on the Internet, which purports to describe Sonia Sotomayor's work at Princeton: Sotomayor is a graduate from Princeton University, where her legal theses included Race in the American Classroom, and Undying Injustice: American "Exceptionalism" and Permanent Bigotry, and Deadly Obsession: American Gun Culture. In this text, the student Sotomayor explained that the Second Amendment to the Constitution did not actually afford individual citizens the right to bear arms, but only duly conferred organizations, like the military. Instead of making guns illegal, she argues that they have been illegal for individuals to own since the passing of the Bill of Rights. There is no reason to believe this is true. The purported source is "American News Inc." The link to this alleged news source is dead. In a quick Internet search, I found no such organization. Further, the text of the article is self-refuting. An undergraduate at an Ivy League school, including Princeton, would write only one thesis. (Perhaps two if she were an exceptionally hard-working double major.) It would be unheard of for a student to write more than three, as the article claims she did. Nor would anyone who actually knew what a Princeton thesis was describe it as a "legal" thesis. Moreover, Sotomayor was intelligent enough to graduate from Yale Law School Princeton Summa Cum Laude. It is inconceivable that someone of such intelligence (or even of modest intelligence) could have written a thesis asserting that the Second Amendment actually outlawed gun ownership outside of the militia. Updated update: Commenters explain that Princeton students write two junior papers and one senior paper; only the latter is called a "thesis." Other commenters point out that her senior thesis was about the Puerto Rican politician Luis Munoz Marin. The blog which created this item has a small tag on the article which says "satire." Although all of the commenters on that blog seem to have taken the article seriously, as has every other cite to it on the web. People who want to read satire on the web would be better off with Iowahawk, which can be recognized as satire because it is sometimes funny.

Tn...Andy | 05-27-2009 02:15 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick Yeah....next year's gun salesman of the year award will go to Obama again, oak leaf clusters I guess.....ahahahahaaa

meatman | 05-27-2009 02:19 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1741055) Yeah....next year's gun salesman of the year award will go to Obama again, oak leaf clusters I guess.....ahahahahaaa
http://meatman.smugmug.com/photos/54...9_EQ3Wz-X2.jpg

Twisted Avatar | 05-27-2009 03:35 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick 1 Attachment(s) LIKE I REALLY GIVE A FLYING EFF WHAT NEW LAWS THEY COOK UP. I WILL BUY WHATEVER I CAN UNTIL I CANT FIND IT OR AFFORD IT. WHEN THEY DO MAKE IT 'UNLAWFUL' TO OWN THEY THEN HAVE TO DECIDE HOW MUCH THEY ARE WILLING TO INVEST IN TRYING TO relieve ME OF MY PROPERTY. AS I PLAN TO DO MY PERSONAL BEST TO MAKE IT A VERY EXPENSIVE ENDEAVOR FOR THEM. @#$%^&*ERS.

MilitantOne | 05-27-2009 06:49 PM
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leadfoot | 05-27-2009 06:52 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick If the Supreme Court fails to incorporate the 2nd, it's not the end. There will just be armed-states and disarmed-states*. When there is a civil war, guess which group will win. In the meantime, I'd recommend not living in a disarmed state. * - disarmed applies only to law abiding citizens. Criminals, both street and state, are authorized to obtain what they want.

Rebel Yarr | 05-27-2009 10:48 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1741206) LIKE I REALLY GIVE A FLYING EFF WHAT NEW LAWS THEY COOK UP. I WILL BUY WHATEVER I CAN UNTIL I CANT FIND IT OR AFFORD IT. WHEN THEY DO MAKE IT 'UNLAWFUL' TO OWN THEY THEN HAVE TO DECIDE HOW MUCH THEY ARE WILLING TO INVEST IN TRYING TO relieve ME OF MY PROPERTY. AS I PLAN TO DO MY PERSONAL BEST TO MAKE IT A VERY EXPENSIVE ENDEAVOR FOR THEM. @#$%^&*ERS.
I understand your point - however think for future generations. You have to be willing to fight to prevent them from taking this right away - not yer property. It's not about them coming to get yer guns - it's about them taking away our rights. I'd be bent if I couldn't go buy more guns and ammo or if future generations couldn't get theirs. You have to step up LONG before they come to get yer "property".

Worldmariner | 05-28-2009 01:57 AM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasta Gold (Post 1740153) The Second Amendment is not dependent upon what a whore in a robe says it means. The Second Amendment is dependent upon what gun owners are willing to do to protect it.
I see it is THAT TIME AGAIN! Well, the only way to combat this Socialist agenda and legislation is through politics. We need more people to write to their Member of Congress (that means your elected Representative to the House of Representatives. Their job is to listen to the citizenry) and their Senator. By "more people" I mean **YOU**, the reader. "You" need to register to vote, "You" need to write to your elected officials, "You" need to join pro-second amendment organizations, like the GOA and the NRA. "You" need to go to local government meetings and voice your opinions. Here are the links: www.Congress.org Member of Congress to the House of Representatives: https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml Your Senator: http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/senators/f_two_sections_with_teasers/states.htm Your governor: http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Governors.shtml National Rifle Association: www.nra.org Gun Owners of America: www.gunowners.org Many many forum posters seem to be the paranoid wall flower "I don't want my name on a list! I am not even registered to vote!" types... They wring their hands about what is happening, but they want SOMEONE ELSE to do the dirty work and take a chance, speak up, write the letters, cast the votes, and yet reap the rewards. If you are one of these types, (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!) you need to remember this: If you have ever filled out a Form 4473, trust me, you are in a database. If you are a member of GOA or the NRA, trust me, you are in a database. If you have ever registered to vote, trust me, you are in a database. If you have a driver's license, trust me, you are in a database. If you use your SSN to earn income, trust me, you are in a database. If you ever used your credit card to buy gun parts or ammo, you are in a database. If you were ever in the military... well you get the idea... keyed in on your name and DOB. Cross referenced with your SSN. With the (undeclared and in my opinion unconstitutional) Bush "war" on terror, the Department of Homeland Security and Congress have teamed up and are finishing up the process of making all the local, state, and Federal databases cross-searchable and accessible by ANY agency, NO WARRENT, NO JUDGE, required. If you are too cowardly to stand up and be counted, to make your voice heard, what will you do with your gun when tyranny arrives? I mean, you already know that you are a coward, so what will you do? Take your super secret gun and go shoot someone in a blue helmet or a black Hummer? I think not. We know what you will do. YOU know, deep down, what you will do. You will whisper about the Good Ol Days and hope that "someone else" does something, while you let your super secret gun rust in it's super secret hiding place, and be angry and post angry messages on forums about how somebody "should have done something". (Pardon me a moment whilst I vomit) That "someone" is **YOU**. GET OFF YOUR ASS and start DOING something about it, and posting messages on forums is NOT action! It is talk. Being a member on a website like www.righttokeepandbeararms.com is nice, and well meaning, and a fantastic resource for ideas, BUT it is not TRUE ACTION; it is feel good action. Joining a website WILL NOT cause change. Writing letters and being politically active is what causes change. Best idea: Buy as many firearms as you want. Give them as gifts! Register as many SBR's and suppressors as you can, join EVERY pro gun lobby group you can, and learn how to start grass roots legislation. Urge your friends to get CCW permits and to buy guns, including assault rifles. Take them shooting and let them burn through a box of your ammo. Turn them on to firearms. Get them re-acquainted with personal responsibility. Get them going in the right direction. Turn America BACK INTO a gun culture and freedom culture and personal responsibility culture. THAT is how to beat DHS, Napolitano, Clinton, an increasing militarized police force (anyone else notice that trend??), other anti-firearms groups, and generally "The Fed". The Feds just follow the rules. If the rules change, so do they. They are like the Borg. They are guys, most... smart, but not brilliant. They are working away at a Federal retirement, doing their job. If the rules change tomorrow and allow everyone to own an unregistered suppressor, believe me, the hour the legislation passes, they will stop activity related to suppressors. Most of those ATF guys (that I know anyway) are not rabidly anti-gun. Most all of them own firearms themselves. They are just following the rules. They do not get cash bonuses for finding illegal guns, such as the IRS agents receive for "recovering" "lost" revenue from recalcitrant tax payers. (Everyone here knows that, right? The IRS guys get a slice of the recovered money as an "on the spot cash award". THAT is why the IRS guys are so rabid. They are motivated by greed) If you are offended by reading this post, then YOU are PROBABLY the guy this post is aimed at!

Twisted Avatar | 05-28-2009 11:29 AM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick Quote:
Originally Posted by Rebel Yarr (Post 1741983) I understand your point - however think for future generations. You have to be willing to fight to prevent them from taking this right away - not yer property. It's not about them coming to get yer guns - it's about them taking away our rights. I'd be bent if I couldn't go buy more guns and ammo or if future generations couldn't get theirs. You have to step up LONG before they come to get yer "property".
As I understand yours. I Think we will never be a collective point when we all cry out in a single voice: ENOUGH OF THIS BULLSH!T. I believe it will be a situation where each of us have a mental line in the sand drawn and when it is crossed. THATS WHEN WE TAKE MATTERS INTO OWN HANDS. T

goldgun | 05-28-2009 11:44 AM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick One step closer to the great USA bloodbath.

MasonicFRNS | 05-28-2009 06:03 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick This lady is bad news. Have a look at this thread, it ain't just guns, she is an admitted "judicial activist". And some people here want to take your guns. http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/s...d.php?t=378175 Quote:
Originally Posted by Carver (Post 1741810) She has more "merit" than any of the sitting Justices had when they were nominated. Get educated!
Red Alert, Janet Napolitano is here to send us to re-education camps after they take our guns. Quote:
Originally Posted by shortstack (Post 1742526) Now if you really want to "get educated" , She has fantastic qualifications,
Qualified, yeah, to do the work of Communists. Both of you are for taking away peoples constitutional rights. When I look at this duo, I see two "pink marranos." They hate everyone, men, law, the Constitution, guns, free speech, your freedom, and they are mean.

Chris_Is_Here | 05-28-2009 08:05 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1741206) LIKE I REALLY GIVE A FLYING EFF WHAT NEW LAWS THEY COOK UP. I WILL BUY WHATEVER I CAN UNTIL I CANT FIND IT OR AFFORD IT. WHEN THEY DO MAKE IT 'UNLAWFUL' TO OWN THEY THEN HAVE TO DECIDE HOW MUCH THEY ARE WILLING TO INVEST IN TRYING TO relieve ME OF MY PROPERTY. AS I PLAN TO DO MY PERSONAL BEST TO MAKE IT A VERY EXPENSIVE ENDEAVOR FOR THEM. @#$%^&*ERS.
Brothers, just make yourselves one promise....that when they come for your guns, you will be willing to put your life on the line and fight them....if only 1%of the US population does this, that's an army 3 million strong....3 million armed patriots will be enough to end it.... If you're on the fence about this, just ask yourself this> do you want to die fighting for what is right or live on in shame? Could you one day look your grandchildren in the eye, knowing that you could have fought to keep them free? An outright gun ban (or any cleverly-crafted legislation that achieves this) will be the line in the sand.... MAKE THIS PROMISE

LukeNM | 05-28-2009 08:54 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick "That means if Chicago, or even the state of Illinois or New York, wants to ban you from owning any guns at all, even in your own house, that’s okay with her." Then it must be OK with her if a state wants to take away your rights to free speech or freedom of religion then too...

Shasta Gold | 05-28-2009 09:58 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeNM (Post 1743490) Then it must be OK with her if a state wants to take away your rights to free speech or freedom of religion then too...
That's correct: http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/l...eech-case.html

AurumAg | 05-29-2009 04:44 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick She will get the nomination, and any protests will be painted in a negative light because she is a person of color, and every opposition issue WILL become racial. For the same reason that Prince Barry the Usurper sits on the throne, The Queen of La Raza will sit on the court: The U.S. is now officially a totalitarian, fascist-collectivist turd-world dump. The sooner the states reassert sovereignty and some take up arms, the better. I'll be moving to the State of Jefferson soon. IMO, instead of wasting energy protesting, and fueling the race-baiting flames, just continue prepping for the end of the Federal Empire.

Shasta Gold | 05-29-2009 05:53 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick Quote:
Originally Posted by AurumAg (Post 1744814) She will get the nomination, and any protests will be painted in a negative light because she is a person of color.
That color is red. http://www.fresno.k12.ca.us/divdept/...mer_sickle.png

Twisted Avatar | 05-29-2009 09:14 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick Quote:
Originally Posted by AurumAg (Post 1744814) Instead of wasting energy protesting, and fueling the race-baiting flames, just continue prepping for the end of the Federal Empire.
Yep These hacks are going to do just what they dam well please. So you better make hay will the sun is still shinning. T

Goldhedge | 05-29-2009 09:17 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick She's also a member of La Raza. That's the group who want to remove all whites from Mexican territory (as they see it) called "Azatlan". Kind of like the Christians trying to convert everyone in the Nation so God will look down upon them favorably... Or the Muslims... Or the .... You can listen to it here: http://www.khow.com/pages/boyles.html Pete Boyles has been covering it on his morning show in Denver

Twisted Avatar | 05-29-2009 09:21 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldhedge (Post 1745151) She's also a member of La Raza. That's the group who want to remove all whites from Mexican territory (as they see it) called "Azatlan".
But who will pay for the healthcare and welfare benifits??? T

Dawg | 05-30-2009 05:03 PM
Re: Obama Declares War on America�s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick I posted Blackwell's article on another forum, and the only reply that was returned was from a member that posted these links. Any commentary? http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/judge-s...n-civil-cases/ http://www.ca2.uscourts.gov/decision...9e22/4/hilite/

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