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Avalon | 02-10-2010 08:30 AM
time to stock up on ammo Ron Paul and Lindsey Williams have convinced me time is running out and we are on the coutndown..Ammo is high on my SHTF list.. I just buy what I shot and have a little in reserve. Where is the best place to buy a bulk purchase where shipping and handling doesn't off set any online discounts? Right now I buy at walmart when i can find it and the local gun store...

Ares | 02-10-2010 08:36 AM
Re: time to stock up on ammo www.aimsurplus.com http://www.wideners.com/

obilly | 02-10-2010 09:01 AM
Re: time to stock up on ammo i got 800 rounds of 9mm this week from walmart,,,,$21.something,,,box of 100,,,will only sell 2 boxes at time,,,,,went to 2 walmarts over 2 days got 8 boxes,,,,,its hard to beat that price?????

Lt Dan | 02-10-2010 10:00 AM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Funny thing about ammo, my wife has told me many times when I go to a gun show, "Don't buy any more guns!" But, she never says a word when I come home with a few thousand rounds of ammo. Go figure? Buy it where ever you can find it, buy all you can afford. I have local places I buy. I buy at gun shows, I buy online when I have to, but prefer to buy for cash without the paper trail. Aim Surplus, (link above) is one of my favorite online sites. For first order they want a statement that no laws deny you the right and a copy of your DL faxed or mailed to them. That's just about standard with online ammo purchases.

Grim | 02-10-2010 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by obilly (Post 2172344) i got 800 rounds of 9mm this week from walmart,,,,$21.something,,,box of 100,,,will only sell 2 boxes at time,,,,,went to 2 walmarts over 2 days got 8 boxes,,,,,its hard to beat that price?????
Just discussed this topic - cost of ammo at stores vs. reloading - with someone at work yesterday and I did the math for reloading .45 acp - bullets (per 1000), primers (per 1000), and powder (per 8lbs). Cost at Wally world for 100 rounds of .45 acp WWB is $32. 100 rounds of .45 acp for me to reload is $17. Initial layout for the relaoding equipment will be high but I recouped my costs in the first year due to the amount of ammo I go through in a year - 10,000 (+/-) depending on work and deployments (.mil). What helps me is that I bought my components (powder, primers, and bullets) in bulk in the past, which has really helped with the shortages of the last year. Now I buy as items as they become available to keep the supplies up (rotate just like food preps) and I am not worried about running low. All I can say is do the math....

SilverCity | 02-10-2010 10:58 AM
Re: time to stock up on ammo http://www.ammoengine.com/ http://www.ammoman.com/index.htm

hypervel | 02-10-2010 11:04 AM
Re: time to stock up on ammo It feels good to have beaucoup stocks of ammo, but keep in mind that your actual need may end up being only a few boxes worth. If you want to practice it may be wise to get .22 caliber items that mirror your main weps. Conversions are cost effective options IF you really intend to plink. If I had to do things all over again I'd only have ever bought guns with either .22 conversions on the market (a la Ciener) or .22 copies available for them. Airsoft AEG's and gas guns are fairly spiffy items to have as well. Don't get too caught up in the Ralphie fantasy of popping Black Bart. That said, I like to pick up a box or two when I go to the locals. Cost per round may not beat bulk purchase, but then you don't have to pony up several bills to get into it. I'd say start with a couple hundred commercial defense rounds for your primary piece and trickle purchase from there.

King_Squais | 02-10-2010 11:21 AM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 2172315) Ron Paul and Lindsey Williams have convinced me time is running out and we are on the coutndown..Ammo is high on my SHTF list.. I just buy what I shot and have a little in reserve. Where is the best place to buy a bulk purchase where shipping and handling doesn't off set any online discounts? Right now I buy at walmart when i can find it and the local gun store...
What did they say about ammo?

SilverCity | 02-10-2010 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by King_Squais (Post 2172550) What did they say about ammo?
They both have recently mentioned hyperinflation is coming...

Argentsum | 02-10-2010 11:26 AM
Re: time to stock up on ammo I picked up a Ruger LCR over the weekend. So now I have yet another ammo type I need to stock. Had to get it though. It was the only firearm my wife feels comfortable shooting & loading. I will say this, the thing is accurate with a laser sight.

Absintheur | 02-10-2010 12:11 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo My family stocked (both ammo and reloading supplies) up pre-election when it looked like he who must not be mentioned had a chance to win...figured if he didn't we could sell a year later and make a little money. Right now I could easily quadruple my money but I am not selling. I am still buying ammo for shooting and am buying primers when I can. Still buying bulk packs of 22 as well. The three adult males in my family all got interest free credit cards for a year back in 2008 and I think we all maxed them and still paid them off in the interest free time period...lol. I love those offers!

GoldBuyer123 | 02-10-2010 01:22 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Google California's AB962. It's the end of shooting for most, and it's going to go viral (i.e. coming to a state near you). Buy all that you can now, for soon you will not be able to buy any.

mk3hunter | 02-11-2010 10:37 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo sucks......I have no ammo or firearms.........damn:headsand:

____hoot____ | 02-11-2010 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mk3hunter (Post 2175667) sucks......I have no ammo or firearms.........damn:headsand:
olde saying from the 60s: eat sh!t and die

Gaillo | 02-11-2010 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mk3hunter (Post 2175667) sucks......I have no ammo or firearms.........damn:headsand:
I hear you, buddy. It's such a shame... I sold all mine at the last gun show, then lost all the bills of sale on the way home in a horrible wind storm! :confused_m:

wallew | 02-12-2010 01:43 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo I sold all of mine then had to use the receipts to start the fire in our fireplace. DAM GLOBAL WARMING!!! It cost me everything!!! Pretty soon we will have to sell our house and move on. DAM GLOBAL WARMING!!!

CrufflerJJ | 02-12-2010 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mk3hunter (Post 2175667) sucks......I have no ammo or firearms.........damn:headsand:
It's safer that way. Think of the children!:sarcasm:

S_Goldberg | 02-15-2010 11:30 AM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Best ammo search engine: http://gun-deals.com/ For handgun ammo, Walmart is always your best choice for FMJ plinking ammo. For serious defensive stuff, try your local shop or online.

The Argent Dragon | 02-15-2010 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Gaillo (Post 2175735) I hear you, buddy. It's such a shame... I sold all mine at the last gun show, then lost all the bills of sale on the way home in a horrible wind storm! :confused_m:
Don't forget all the GIMers who lost their guns in boating accidents........the bottoms of lakes must be covered in decaying firearms. :36_1_25:

Operation Grief | 02-15-2010 02:08 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Grim (Post 2172505) Just discussed this topic - cost of ammo at stores vs. reloading - with someone at work yesterday and I did the math for reloading .45 acp - bullets (per 1000), primers (per 1000), and powder (per 8lbs). Cost at Wally world for 100 rounds of .45 acp WWB is $32. 100 rounds of .45 acp for me to reload is $17. Initial layout for the relaoding equipment will be high but I recouped my costs in the first year due to the amount of ammo I go through in a year - 10,000 (+/-) depending on work and deployments (.mil). What helps me is that I bought my components (powder, primers, and bullets) in bulk in the past, which has really helped with the shortages of the last year. Now I buy as items as they become available to keep the supplies up (rotate just like food preps) and I am not worried about running low. All I can say is do the math....
Yeah but there's also the time issue. All those hours spent re-loading you could be getting some extra sleep, getting laid, spending time with the kids, watching a hockey game, etc. I'd rather pay the higher prices, forget about it, and enjoy life.

MetalManiac | 02-15-2010 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Operation Grief (Post 2180998) Yeah but there's also the time issue. All those hours spent re-loading you could be getting some extra sleep, getting laid, spending time with the kids, watching a hockey game, etc. I'd rather pay the higher prices, forget about it, and enjoy life.
Heh? First you put the kids to sleep. Then you play "lucky burglar" with the wife. After she falls asleep you do your reloading. bancha

teedub31 | 02-15-2010 06:02 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Grim (Post 2172505) Just discussed this topic - cost of ammo at stores vs. reloading - with someone at work yesterday and I did the math for reloading .45 acp - bullets (per 1000), primers (per 1000), and powder (per 8lbs). Cost at Wally world for 100 rounds of .45 acp WWB is $32. 100 rounds of .45 acp for me to reload is $17. Initial layout for the relaoding equipment will be high but I recouped my costs in the first year due to the amount of ammo I go through in a year - 10,000 (+/-) depending on work and deployments (.mil). What helps me is that I bought my components (powder, primers, and bullets) in bulk in the past, which has really helped with the shortages of the last year. Now I buy as items as they become available to keep the supplies up (rotate just like food preps) and I am not worried about running low. All I can say is do the math....
Hornady has an awsome deal that will help offset the initial cost of buying a press and getting set up. I thinks you can get the press from natchez shooting supplies for under $300 last time I looked. With the bullets you get for the purchase you are effectively getting in for half that. http://www.hornady.com/promotions/get-loaded Sorry if this violates the posting of ads. I will gladly remove it if need be.

GoldBuyer123 | 02-15-2010 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 2180847) Don't forget all the GIMers who lost their guns in boating accidents........the bottoms of lakes must be covered in decaying firearms. :36_1_25:
Boating Accident. BWAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHA. I've heard that one a thousand times, in the last week, and it just get more and more funny all the time. BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...... :emotions16: Keep em coming, we all should laugh more.... :23_30_104:

Silver Shield | 02-15-2010 07:09 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo After watching the Road. I will not be short of ammo when the time comes.

Dirty Harry | 02-15-2010 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Silver Shield (Post 2181497) After watching the Road. I will not be short of ammo when the time comes.
How was it? It didn't play anywhere around me, so I went and got the book. Man talk about dark.

ToBeSelfEvident | 02-15-2010 09:45 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Ah, that reminds me, I wanted to carve myself a set of snap caps.

crazychicken | 02-15-2010 10:11 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaillo (Post 2175735) I hear you, buddy. It's such a shame... I sold all mine at the last gun show, then lost all the bills of sale on the way home in a horrible wind storm! :confused_m:
I really feel bad for you. What a tragedy. In time you will get over it. I'm trying to recover from a very similar situation. CC

GoldBuyer123 | 02-15-2010 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by crazychicken (Post 2181756) I really feel bad for you. What a tragedy. In time you will get over it. I'm trying to recover from a very similar situation. CC
Great post! +1 for me too.

StackerKen | 02-15-2010 10:31 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBuyer123 (Post 2172738) Google California's AB962. It's the end of shooting for most, and it's going to go viral (i.e. coming to a state near you). Buy all that you can now, for soon you will not be able to buy any.
GB when does that start? in July 2010? of Feb next year?

GoldBuyer123 | 02-15-2010 11:57 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by StackerKen (Post 2181797) GB when does that start? in July 2010? of Feb next year?
Feb 2011. I visit a Walmart regularly and buy anything that I have a gun to shoot (the same) with. Years from now ammo prices will double or triple.

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negative1 | 02-16-2010 12:37 AM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 2180847) Don't forget all the GIMers who lost their guns in boating accidents........the bottoms of lakes must be covered in decaying firearms. :36_1_25:
Funny thing is if anyone comes looking for my guns I have a different story... Gee officer I felt so bad having not had a "boating accident" like all the people at GIM. I sold my entire collection to the "boating accident" victims to make sure that none were gunless. :cry1:

nickelless | 02-16-2010 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by mk3hunter (Post 2175667) sucks......I have no ammo or firearms.........damn:headsand:
Stupid boating accidents!!:biggrin:

Avalon | 02-16-2010 10:32 AM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Im going to have to quit going to the range. Every time I go i shot up all the ammo I am trying to accumulate. This is am expensive hobby..

renegade_01 | 02-16-2010 10:48 AM
Re: time to stock up on ammo I had a recent change of heart and I donated my guns to a guns for books program. I got a copy of the communist manifesto in exchange for a DPMS 308. Also got a copy of "Rules for radicals" in exchange for my 16 yr old 22lr. Who woulda thought. All these guns are bad.

meatman | 02-16-2010 10:50 AM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 2182314) Im going to have to quit going to the range. Every time I go i shot up all the ammo I am trying to accumulate. This is am expensive hobby..
keep shooting only getting cheaper its a third of the cost it was a year ago and dropping, and no matter how many on here keep saying the sky is falling. all I know ammo will still be dropping for months to come. and by the way firearms are dropping even faster then ammo.

GOLD DUCK | 02-16-2010 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 2182314) Im going to have to quit going to the range. Every time I go i shot up all the ammo I am trying to accumulate. This is am expensive hobby..
QWAK,Avalon,Have you decided you want to be "Anney Oakly" :questionm :111: or that the smell of the burnt cordite is some how INTOXICATING? :questionm You can scale down and still improve your skills with a 22 or even a BB gun.:yes: :thinkey: Good to know how to shoot and not be afraid of using the TOOL but it is NOT a tool for creating a better any thing realy.:452::23_1_22: PS: You may be SCARING hubby too!:36_1_25: :yes: :4_1_72: the DUCK :15_1_70v:

smullen | 02-16-2010 10:56 AM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 2182314) Im going to have to quit going to the range. Every time I go i shot up all the ammo I am trying to accumulate. This is am expensive hobby..
Not ready to give up yet, but Sadly, I was having the same thoughts... On a typical trip to the range, I go with my two longtime best friends and shooting buds and we each go though about 100 or so .45 rnds 200-300 .40 rnds 400-500 .223 rnds 40-60 rnds of .308 sometimes a few hundy .22 or 7.62x39s and maybe some 9mm...

nickelless | 02-16-2010 02:05 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 2182314) Im going to have to quit going to the range. Every time I go i shot up all the ammo I am trying to accumulate. This is am expensive hobby..
Don't think of it as a hobby. Think of it as a necessity vital for survival. Gotta keep your aim sharp.

GoldBuyer123 | 02-16-2010 02:11 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 2182314) Im going to have to quit going to the range. Every time I go i shot up all the ammo I am trying to accumulate. This is am expensive hobby..
That is why they invented 22LR. Can still get a box of 550 for $15 and change. 3c per shot, is hard to beat, unless you take up rock throwing. The skills that shoot a 22 well are the same ones that allow marksmanship in larger calibers.

nickelless | 02-16-2010 02:43 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBuyer123 (Post 2182678) That is why they invented 22LR. Can still get a box of 550 for $15 and change. 3c per shot, is hard to beat, unless you take up rock throwing. The skills that shoot a 22 well are the same ones that allow marksmanship in larger calibers.
+1 I've been buying a box of 550 .22LR ammo every payday at Walmart. Get it while you can.

GoldBuyer123 | 02-16-2010 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by nickelless (Post 2182719) +1 I've been buying a box of 550 .22LR ammo every payday at Walmart. Get it while you can.
Yup! I've had 1 or 2 such boxes for sometime, and over the last several months hadn't seen any, until very recently. I'm now up to 12 boxes. :23_30_104: For Avalon, look into the Ruger MarkII. It is a full size pistol, stong as hell and will make you a crackshot, rather then just another crackpot. Just kidding. :23_1_22: :36_3_12:

American Chestnut | 02-16-2010 07:16 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Buy until you fill this: http://images3.cableorganizer.com/gr...rage3048-s.jpg

Avalon | 02-16-2010 07:23 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Gold Buyer 123 (Post 2182678) That is why they invented 22LR. Can still get a box of 550 for $15 and change. 3c per shot, is hard to beat, unless you take up rock throwing. The skills that shoot a 22 well are the same ones that allow marksmanship in larger calibers.
I am considering a 22 rifle as my next addition.. As far as a 22 pistol goes it just doesn't have enough bang-bang for me. I think there is a huge transition to larger caliber pistols. At least I perceive it that way.. I had the opportunity to shoot a Lady marksman very fine and expensive collection of 22s at the Range one day. They were really beautiful pistols and I shot well with them. It was quite a privilege to shoot such fine weapons that I will never be able to afford.. As nice as they were they bored me to tears. Ill just have to conquer my Jericho.. It took me 2 years to get comfortable with my shotgun. I was terrified of the damn thing for a long time..Ill just have to work more hours to pay for 9mm bullets.:rofl:

Avalon | 02-16-2010 07:24 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by GOLD DUCK (Post 2182340) QWAK,Avalon,Have you decided you want to be "Annie Oakley" :question :111: or that the smell of the burnt cordite is some how INTOXICATING? :question You can scale down and still improve your skills with a 22 or even a BB gun.:yes: :thinker: Good to know how to shoot and not be afraid of using the TOOL but it is NOT a tool for creating a better any thing really.:452::23_1_22: PS: You may be SCARING hubby too!:36_1_25: :yes: :4_1_72: the DUCK :15_1_70v:
Hey Ducky... how are you doing.? How is Maxine. I have not talked to here in a while..

Avalon | 02-16-2010 07:27 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by nickelless (Post 2182664) Don't think of it as a hobby. Think of it as a necessity vital for survival. Gotta keep your aim sharp.
When I have a place to shoot at home I can save Range and gas fees and spend the money on bullets. I have plenty of room but I need a backstop. I dont have a natural hill.. Any suggestions?

nickelless | 02-16-2010 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 2183027) I am considering a 22 rifle as my next addition.. As far as a 22 pistol goes it just doesn't have enough bang-bang for me. I think there is a huge transition to larger caliber pistols. At least I perceive it that way.. I had the opportunity to shoot a Lady marksman very fine and expensive collection of 22s at the Range one day. They were really beautiful pistols and I shot well with them. It was quite a privilege to shoot such fine weapons that I will never be able to afford.. As nice as they were they bored me to tears. Ill just have to conquer my Jericho.. It took me 2 years to get comfortable with my shotgun. I was terrified of the damn thing for a long time..Ill just have to work more hours to pay for 9mm bullets.:rofl:
I think .22 is very underrated. How many people are killed by .22 each year compared to other calibers? It might not pack the punch of 9mm, .40 or .45, but I'll carry a .22 any day as a backup.

Avalon | 02-16-2010 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nickelless (Post 2183052) I think .22 is very underrated. How many people are killed by .22 each year compared to other calibers? It might not pack the punch of 9mm, .40 or .45, but I'll carry a .22 any day as a backup.
Its not about the killing..Its about the bang-bang...I just like big guns. :signs14:

steyr_m | 02-16-2010 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mk3hunter (Post 2175667) sucks......I have no ammo or firearms.........damn:headsand:
$150 will buy you a mosin and ammo. Not a primo weapon, but better than a knife/club

steyr_m | 02-16-2010 07:53 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBuyer123 (Post 2182678) That is why they invented 22LR. Can still get a box of 550 for $15 and change. 3c per shot, is hard to beat, unless you take up rock throwing. The skills that shoot a 22 well are the same ones that allow marksmanship in larger calibers.
+1 here too. A Ruger 10/22 can move some decent lead quite cheaply....

UncaScrooge | 02-16-2010 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 2182314) Im going to have to quit going to the range. Every time I go i shot up all the ammo I am trying to accumulate. This is am expensive hobby..
Moderations in all things... like Socrates or Plato said: when you go to the range, buy TWO boxes, and shoot only ONE... After a while, you'll have a nice stockpile! :s1: Wish you the best on "learning" your Jericho. :yes: P.S. Dry firing, as others here have indicated, is your best friend! :)

barack obama | 02-16-2010 10:44 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by steyr_m (Post 2183090) $150 will buy you a mosin and ammo. Not a primo weapon, but better than a knife/club
Worked pretty well on the Germans :-), and you can't beat 0.10/round ammo. Plus they go BOOM quite nicely.

ohioarmedneutrality | 02-16-2010 10:51 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo +1 on the Mosin Nagant. Hardest hitting rifle out there right now for the money.

steyr_m | 02-17-2010 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by barack obama (Post 2183462) Worked pretty well on the Germans :-), and you can't beat 0.10/round ammo. Plus they go BOOM quite nicely.
Anything works if it's a fairly reliable design and if you're trained with any marksmanship. I wouldn't have wanted to go to battle with the Ross Rifle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_rifle The Germans were way out numbered, esp during the final half of the war. They didn't have a chance, but I have to give them credit..... they didn't quit until they couldn't do anymore. They could have actually won if they didn't lose Stalingrad (or even fight for it in the first place).

VPW | 02-17-2010 06:58 AM
Re: time to stock up on ammo I would go to Walmart on a regular basis to pick up ammo. I had heart surgery in December and did not get back to doing that until around the first of Feb. As far as I can tell, there have been no new adds AND no removal of ammo inventory from the case. Nor is there an employee in the area anymore. For 8 months prior to that the contents of the case was changing on a daily basis and there was always someone in the immediate area to unlock the case. I wonder if they have just stopped selling it at this store.

mk3hunter | 03-03-2010 11:22 AM
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olde saying from the 60s: eat sh!t and die
new saying today: D bag!!:moon:

UncaScrooge | 03-03-2010 10:11 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 2172315) Ron Paul and Lindsey Williams have convinced me time is running out and we are on the coutndown..Ammo is high on my SHTF list.. I just buy what I shot and have a little in reserve. Where is the best place to buy a bulk purchase where shipping and handling doesn't off set any online discounts? Right now I buy at walmart when i can find it and the local gun store...
Ammunitiontogo.com... great people, and only sell what they have in stock! :36_3_12:

gangsta99 | 03-03-2010 10:30 PM
Re: time to stock up on ammo It is hard to shoot up all your ammo at the range if you start stacking by the case instead of by the box. Stacked 2500 rds of 7.62 x 39 ammo for the AKs last month and 1500 rds of 5.56 ammo for the AR today. My wife is getting annoyed with me that I have so much damn ammo taking up a closet now. On top of that the fat 50 cal ammo cans full of loaded mags seems to also annoy her. Is it a bad thing to have a can full of 28 Magpul mags ready to go and another full of USGI mags for the AR? She doesn't know about the 60 loaded 30rders for the AKs, they are hidden in a big chest.

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