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Green Mountain Boy | 02-07-2009 03:28 PM
Brady Campaign says Vermont gun laws worst in nation This is a great honor to have bestowed upon us. :biggrin: Brady Campaign says Vermont gun laws worst in nation By BOB AUDETTE, Reformer Staff Saturday, February 7 BRATTLEBORO -- Vermont's gun laws are so weak, contended the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, that they lead to the illegal trade of firearms and put children at risk. In addition, the state's gun laws allow the sale of firearms between individuals without background checks leading to guns ending up in the hands of criminals, according to a press release from the New England Coalition to Prevent Gun Violence titled "Vermont Lacks Common Sense Gun Laws." In that report, Vermont was rated the worst state in the nation for its gun laws. Out of a possible 100 points, said Carrie Whittenberg, spokeswoman for the coalition, Vermont received nine points. New Hampshire and Maine were close behind with 11 and 12 points respectively. Connecticut and Massachusetts were ranked third best in the nation with 54 points and Rhode Island was ranked seventh with 47 points. "I would like to see zero points," said Ed Cutler, president of Gun Owners of Vermont, based in Westminster. "The report is pure rhetoric. What they're saying is because Vermont has lax gun laws we have crime in the street like nobody would believe (but) we're probably the safest state in the whole country." Cutler admitted Vermont gun laws are very lax. But, he added, that's not a bad thing. "That's the reason we are safe." A spokesman for the Brady Campaign stated Vermont's laws need to be stricter. "Vermont continues to make it too easy for dangerous people to get dangerous weapons," stated Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign, in a press release. Vermont's gun laws also correspond to a high rate of suicide in Vermont, said Whittenberg. "Vermont has the highest firearm suicide rate in New England," she said. But, she admitted, that's not just because of lax gun laws. It's also because residents of rural areas don't always know how to get the help they might need or are afraid to ask. "People can be reluctant to bring up the topic." Men are most likely to use a gun than women, who tend to use pills, she said. Of those who use pills to attempt suicide, five out of 100 succeed. But with guns, 91 out of 100 succeed, she said. "Access to firearms is definitely a factor in suicides." The coalition is also concerned about the dangers firearms pose to children. Vermont, unlike other states, doesn't have a law that mandates guns need to be locked in homes with children, said Whittenberg. Just hiding them somewhere in the house is not good enough, she said. "Don't think for a minute that your kids don't know where your guns are." Whittenberg also said because the northern New England states have liberal gun laws, many of them sold there end up in southern New England. In Vermont, there is no limit to the number of guns a person can buy from a licensed dealer and those firearms can be sold without a background check, she said. "You could stand on a street corner and anybody who came by you could sell them a gun," said Whittenberg. That's just not true, said Cutler. According to state and federal law, it is illegal for individuals to sell guns to somebody they don't know or who doesn't live in the same state. Selling firearms across state lines can result in 10 years in federal prison, he said. He said state officials in Massachusetts have claimed guns used in crimes in the Bay State are coming from New Hampshire and Vermont. But, said Cutler, serial numbers can be traced from manufacturer to dealer to private owners and those guns are not showing up in southern New England. "The system works good." The New England Coalition is not out to change laws or make them more restrictive, said Whittenberg. "Our main goal is to educate people." Nor is the coalition against the ownership of guns, she said. "Our goal is gun safety, keeping dangerous guns away from dangerous people." The best thing you can do for your kids is to educate them about how to handle firearms and what can happen if they are mishandled, said Cutler. "Satisfy that curiosity in a safe manner." The state's biggest gun show, in Barre, is today and Sunday. Most people who intend to sell guns at gun shows, he said, are trying to sell them to licensed dealers and not to each other. "It's like trading-in a gun," Cutler said. Licensed dealers at gun shops and shows are required to perform background checks. Vermont's scorecard results can be found at www.bradycampaign.org. How points were awarded can also be found at the Web site. http://www.reformer.com/localnews/ci_11651357

elroy | 02-07-2009 03:33 PM
Re: Brady Campaign says Vermont gun laws worst in nation I don't know anyone who cares what the Brady Campaign has to say. Anything they are for I am automatically against. Vermont should be proud to have ranked so low on their list. Freedon reigns in Vermont.

Ag_man | 02-07-2009 04:21 PM
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Nor is the coalition against the ownership of guns, she said. "Our goal is gun safety, keeping dangerous guns away from dangerous people."
Lying, brain-dead swine. These people are complete idiots, as if Vermont is well known for violent street crime. Vermont's gun laws are a model for all nations.

Goldhedge | 02-07-2009 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Mountain Boy (Post 1555918) Cutler admitted Vermont gun laws are very lax. But, he added, that's not a bad thing. "That's the reason we are safe."
Priceless.... When dangerous politicians start making dangerous laws, we'll all be in trouble....

EE_ | 02-07-2009 05:30 PM
Re: Brady Campaign says Vermont gun laws worst in nation http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...const_dees.jpg

hypervel | 02-07-2009 05:42 PM
Re: Brady Campaign says Vermont gun laws worst in nation Maybe Brady should report that Vermont has the most stones of any state in the union.

Twisted Avatar | 02-07-2009 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by hypervel (Post 1556071) Maybe Brady should report that Vermont has the most stones of any state in the union.
And unregistered rocks put childeren at risk. Jack@$$$

Twisted Avatar | 02-07-2009 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Goldhedge (Post 1555996) Priceless....
A close second........

Ares | 02-07-2009 06:35 PM
Re: Brady Campaign says Vermont gun laws worst in nation Ha my State ranks lower on the Brady Campaign than Vermont. By just one point lower. Vermont 9 points Indiana 8 points I knew Indiana had some pretty lax gun laws, and it makes me proud :-D http://www.stategunlaws.org/xshare/p...d_rankings.pdf

platinumdude | 02-07-2009 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Ares (Post 1556138) Ha my State ranks lower on the Brady Campaign than Vermont. By just one point lower. Vermont 9 points Indiana 8 points I knew Indiana had some pretty lax gun laws, and it makes me proud :-D http://www.stategunlaws.org/xshare/p...d_rankings.pdf
Kentucky has 2 points.

Ares | 02-07-2009 07:37 PM
Re: Brady Campaign says Vermont gun laws worst in nation Yeah but you guys are known to be just gun toting rednecks. :sarcasm: :-D

InfantryNCO | 02-07-2009 07:44 PM
Re: Brady Campaign says Vermont gun laws worst in nation I hear Alaska owes the Brady bunch points.

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 02-07-2009 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Mountain Boy (Post 1555918) BRATTLEBORO -- Vermont's gun laws are so weak, contended the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, that they lead to the illegal trade of firearms and put children at risk.
I don't understand how weak gun laws can lead to illegal trade of firearms... If the laws aren't there, it isn't really illegal, is it?

Glass | 02-07-2009 08:51 PM
Re: Brady Campaign says Vermont gun laws worst in nation Where are their facts? How many private trades result in a person getting a weapon illegally. If they don't have any numbers... and I mean any numbers at all how can they be sure it is even happening? Politics is emotion, facts are completely irrelevant. I tend to think when I read those emoive things about protecting "our children"... I think what children? They are a government creation anyway, they don't even exist. People should not call their offspring children, they are not. They are their sons and daughters. You call them children and you have just handed them over jurisdction over them.. confiscation can now come at any time.

hypervel | 02-07-2009 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1556109) And unregistered rocks put childeren at risk. Jack@$$$
Are you calling me a jackass? Or do you not know what stones are?

Elvis | 02-08-2009 09:40 AM
Re: Brady Campaign says Vermont gun laws worst in nation Go GEORGIA!!!!!!!!! (First time I've ever considered moving to Oklahoma.)

Twisted Avatar | 02-08-2009 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by hypervel (Post 1556281) Are you calling me a jackass? Or do you not know what stones are?
Dam I forgot about that famous violent murder ........it was loaded in a slingshot or something?? Why was there no registration then???

moreair | 02-08-2009 12:14 PM
Re: Brady Campaign says Vermont gun laws worst in nation West Virginia, my home state - 4 points:moon: Ohio, my current state - 13 points:ok: Brady can have my guns when hell freezes over.:s10:

Apocalypto | 02-08-2009 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by EE_ (Post 1556053) http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...const_dees.jpg
What is Oabama doing to Rahm Emanuel in that pic to make him look so happy?

reformed wastrel | 02-08-2009 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Mountain Boy (Post 1555918) Nor is the coalition against the ownership of guns, she said. "Our goal is gun safety, keeping dangerous guns away from dangerous people."
Yes, that's their actual goal. But they consider anyone who isn't wearing a government uniform to be a dangerous person. That's their true intellectual dishonesty. They DON'T want to get rid of all the guns. They still want the police and the military to have guns -- so that they can order the police and military to force everyone else to do what THEY say. They don't want to protect the children. They want all of us to be their slaves.

mick silver | 02-08-2009 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Ares (Post 1556185) Yeah but you guys are known to be just gun toting rednecks. :sarcasm: :-D
i love being a red neck ..................go ky

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