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puller738 | 12-09-2009 06:50 PM
Just ordered AK from classic arms! Just ordered a AK from classic arms. Should be here in a few days, cant wait. Need to start stockin up on 7.62 ammo now. :36_1_34:

hoarder | 12-09-2009 06:59 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! I saw plenty of Wolf 762x39 for $129.00 per 500 box at the local gun show last Saturday. Which AK did you order?

FreeMyLand | 12-09-2009 07:41 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! The best deal that I have seen so far on 7.62x39 is from JG Sales. They have Yugo FMJ 124GR Brass case military ammo boxed in a 1260rd Case, for $249. This seems like a crazy good deal for brass 7.62x39 ammo, as most of the steel case ammo seems to cost more than this. http://www.jgsales.com/product_info....oducts_id/3888 http://www.jgsales.com/images/1%20Yu...j%205-1502.jpg If I had an AK, I would be stocking up on this. Anyway, congrats on your new AK - I'm sure you are going to love it. If this is your first AK, be sure to stock on mags (AIM Surplus seem to have decent prices on mags) and ammo! Post some pics, since I never tire of seeing people's AKs!

silverJeep | 12-09-2009 08:14 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! Got mine a few weeks ago. No problems at all.

Randal45 | 12-09-2009 08:28 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! I like Henderson Defense: http://shop.hendersondefense.biz/pro...8&categoryId=4

gangsta99 | 12-09-2009 08:52 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! I think I am gonna have to order that from J&G. Very nice price. AimSurplus has 500 rd cases of Brown Bear for $109.95 in HP and FMJ. If you want to only spend around $100 on ammo this might work out for you. I would get that deal from J&G though.

Haltiat | 12-09-2009 09:00 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! Personally I wouldn't let corrosive ammo anywhere near my autoloader.

mayhem | 12-09-2009 09:37 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! The JG stuff is corrosive ammunition, is Berden primed. Real dirty and not re-loadable.

hoarder | 12-09-2009 09:57 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! What's the deal with brass cased 762x39? I thought AK's were designed with loose headspace and that the reason for steel case ammo was because they were kinda loose in the chamber. Won't the brass cases bulge?

S_Goldberg | 12-09-2009 10:37 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 2067786) What's the deal with brass cased 762x39? I thought AK's were designed with loose headspace and that the reason for steel case ammo was because they were kinda loose in the chamber. Won't the brass cases bulge?
No. The AK is not "loose in the chamber" and it does not have loose tolerances either. Where do people get this stuff? The reason for steel cases is that it is cheaper than brass and keeps production costs down.

Heimdhal | 12-09-2009 11:41 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! Excellent! just got my 1975 GP from them a week or so before thanksgiving and love it! Ordered some ammo from ammo to go, but Classic has(had?) a good deal going on yugo surplus too.

Apocalypto | 12-09-2009 11:48 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! I like the look of the AR. I always like the most expensive stuff. haha

Haltiat | 12-09-2009 11:49 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! If anything a chamber designed for steel cased ammo would have to be tighter because steel doesn't flow like brass does under pressure. In practice steel and brass work fine in AK's but I still wouldn't shoot corrosive ammo in an autoloader of any kind... though just to be fair the Yugo 7.62x39 is known to be accurate. If you do put some through yours spray it down liberally with Windex before you leave the range and clean it thoroughly inside and out or you will get rust. For my money non-corrosive is just too cheap and plentiful to not use it. Frankly I'm surprised they can charge so much for the corrosive ammo.

SilverCity | 12-10-2009 01:03 AM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! I don't care for corrosive ammo myself, but it is mil spec. It is the most stable, reliable priming, and designed to still go BANG in sub-zero weather many decades from now.

The Argent Dragon | 12-10-2009 03:00 AM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! Which type of AK - there are many, many variants ? Oh and the Heavy Barrel AK's are back !!! ROMANIAN AES10-B HEAVY BARREL AK SNIPER http://www.classicarms.us/images/AES10B.jpg http://www.classicarms.us/images/AES10B2.jpg - http://www.classicarms.us/images/AES10B3.jpg IT HAS BEEN ALMOST 2 YEARS SINCE WE HAVE HAD ANY OF THESE FINE HEAVY BARRELED LONG DISTANCE TARGET RIFLES. BUT THE QUALITY ON THESE WAS WORTH THE WAIT. BASED ON THE FAMOUS MILITARY RPK RIFLE THESE ARE KNOWN AS THE WORLDS MOST ACCURATE AK RIFLES. BI-POD FEATURES ADJUSTABLE LEGS AND FOLDS UP AND LOCKS TIGHT AGAINST THE WEAPON WHEN NOT IN USE. MIROMETER ADJUSTMENT ON REAR SITE ADJUST FOR WINDAGE WITHOUT DRIFTING THE FRONT POST. SIDE RAIL FOR EASY SCOPE MOUNTING. STOCK IS A PUSH BUTTON SIDE FOLDER FOR MORE COMPACT STORAGE AND CARRY. CARRY HANDLE FLIPS UP FOR EASY CARRY. FEATURES A 45 DEGREE COMPENSATOR AND G-2 NO SLAP TRIGGER. BEST OF ALL RIFLE COMES WITH 4- 40 ROUND MAGS AND A 4 POCKET 40 ROUND MAG POUCH. IF YOU WISH TO SUBSTITUTE 30 ROUND MAGS FOR ANY OF THESE JUST LET US KNOW. THIS RIFLE IS ALL THAT AND A BAG OF CHIPS. LIMITED QUANTITY...HURRY ITEM # AES-10 AK........$689.95 ADD A 75 ROUND DRUM http://www.classicarms.us/images/AES10B4.jpg - http://www.classicarms.us/images/AES10B5.jpg WE NOW HAVE BRAND NEW 75 ROUND DRUM MAGS FOR THE AK RIFLE. THESE DRUMS WERE MADE NEW IN ROMANIA BUT ARE BUILT ON THE CHINESE DESIGN. THAT MEANS THAT THE BACK OPENS TO LOAD AND THEY WIND TO ADD TENSION OR YOU CAN LEAVE THEM LOADED BUT UNWOUND TO SAVE TENSION ON THE SPRINGS. THESE ARE THE BEST. YOU WILL SEE THEM LOWER ON THIS PAGE AT $99.95 ...BUT... IF YOU ORDER ONE WITH THIS OR ANY AK RIFLE GET IT FOR ONLY $89.95 COMES COMPLETE WITH OWNERS MANUAL AND INSTRUCTIONS http://www.classicarms.us/

MISRy | 12-10-2009 05:43 AM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltiat (Post 2067712) Personally I wouldn't let corrosive ammo anywhere near my autoloader.
Ageed. While I/we clean our firearms after each use, corrosive ammo introduces another level (windex for the ammonia) that is unnecessary otherwise. BTW: General K himself mentions in many interviews that the AK was intentionally designed with looser tolerances to make the Avtomat easier to produce.

shades2 | 12-10-2009 08:15 AM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! Quote:
Originally Posted by MISRy (Post 2068118) Ageed. While I/we clean our firearms after each use, corrosive ammo introduces another level (windex for the ammonia) that is unnecessary otherwise. BTW: General K himself mentions in many interviews that the AK was intentionally designed with looser tolerances to make the Avtomat easier to produce.
When they say looser tolerances I don't think they're referring to the actual chamber. The looser tolerances are in the other working parts. Which has inadvertantly led to the famous reliability of the AK. A few grains of sand or mud are not going to bother it and lock up any part of the action easily. (Of course a small rock could). Other weapons with much tighter tolerances are not able to keep the sand out anyway, and when it gets in there it is more catastrophic in terms of reliability as it can seize components easily due to the tighter spacing between them...

puller738 | 12-10-2009 08:19 AM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! I ordered 2 of the Romanian AK's for $380.00 a piece. One for myself and one for my brother. I hope I made the right choice. I have a couple of AR's and was just looking for a cheap AK. Thanks for everyones imput!

S_Goldberg | 12-10-2009 10:14 AM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 2068198) When they say looser tolerances I don't think they're referring to the actual chamber. The looser tolerances are in the other working parts. Which has inadvertantly led to the famous reliability of the AK. A few grains of sand or mud are not going to bother it and lock up any part of the action easily. (Of course a small rock could). Other weapons with much tighter tolerances are not able to keep the sand out anyway, and when it gets in there it is more catastrophic in terms of reliability as it can seize components easily due to the tighter spacing between them...
Those are clearances. Tolerance is how much deviation from the design specs is allowed during fabrication. Clearance is how tightly the parts fit together. Loose tolerances leads to an inconsistent product. This is not the case with the AK, hence the interchangeability of parts. I know this sounds like I am being an ass, but this is the kind of Internet engineer stuff that leads to crap like loose chambers and magazine spring fatigue under static loading.

Haltiat | 12-10-2009 11:06 AM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! Agreed. Loose tolerances would mean more guns that don't work because of improper fit, loose tolerances would not enhance reliability and as you say it would eliminate parts interchangeability. Generous clearances enhance reliability. I think somebody who doesn't understand guns mistranslated what Kalashnikov said. I'm not sure I like somebody selling an RPK as a sniper rifle either. RPK's are generally more accurate than AKM's but they are a squad automatic weapon, not a sniper rifle. The Russians make extensive use of snipers and designated marksmen and they aren't armed with RPK's. The RPK is one of the few true SAW's out there and is worthy of respect on its own merits. Back loading drums may be more convenient but I trust the old top loaders more when it comes to not popping open during rough handling. The Chinese seem to have recently sold off machinery to make their drums to a number of countries. First it was the Bulgarians but the Romanians and Koreans have gotten in on the act. The point is the back loader isn't the Romanian military drum, the top loader is. I'm not saying that the back loaders are garbage, just trying to give the rest of the story. "Best" is very subjective. As far as the longevity of corrosive primers, that is true. I have shot some ancient 8mm through a bolt action. That said, non-corrosive lasts for decades also and since it is currently in production I can shoot old stock and buy new stock to replace it.

S_Goldberg | 12-10-2009 11:12 AM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! I agree regarding the RPK, but with people thinking that the AK is made with "loose tolerances and chambers" it is not surprising they can market a support weapon as a designated marksman firearm. People, please learn about the weapon platforms you plan to buy or already own. Simply owning a weapon does not make you proficient and nether does a few trips to the range. It is a job that requires you to first learn about the weapon and then practice everything from shooting to malfunction clearance drill to reloads.

mick silver | 12-10-2009 11:15 AM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! i wonder how much corrosive ammo been run thought a ak47 in a war time an never hurt the gun . mine has seen 1000ts of rounds an keeps firing . there no other gun in the world that will take any thing you thrown at it like the ak. i bet the country that gun was made in never seen clean ammo put thought them

Haltiat | 12-10-2009 11:58 AM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver (Post 2068415) i wonder how much corrosive ammo been run thought a ak47 in a war time an never hurt the gun . mine has seen 1000ts of rounds an keeps firing . there no other gun in the world that will take any thing you thrown at it like the ak. i bet the country that gun was made in never seen clean ammo put thought them
Tons of corrosive ammo has been put through all kinds of autoloaders, including AK's. Your gun won't instantly dissolve. If you are really diligent about cleaning you'll never have a problem. On the other hand if you want to see what you can realistically expect go examine the very lowest grade of Yugo SKS. These ate corrosive ammo under wartime conditions and show it. There are some really clean Yugo SKS's out there, these are often unissued or lightly used. I'm not talking about them. Look at a real junkyard dog with rusted gas system and corroded guts. Those salts will be carried by gases throughout your entire action. AK's also have vents in the front of their gas tubes, that will spray gases all over the outside of the gun. Yes, an AK will keep going under harsher conditions than just about any other firearm out there but is that really the kind of shape you want your go to gun in? Take care of your stuff and it will take care of you. Be really thorough if you use corrosive ammo, inside and out.

barack obama | 12-10-2009 08:37 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! Quote:
Originally Posted by S_Goldberg (Post 2067825) No. The AK is not "loose in the chamber" and it does not have loose tolerances either. Where do people get this stuff? The reason for steel cases is that it is cheaper than brass and keeps production costs down.
Brass also has a lower modulus of elasticity and therefore is less likely to experience plastic deformation and get stuck in the breech. This is not a problem with a very tight, low tolerance weapon but can cause problems in loose guns, like the mosin nagant.

S_Goldberg | 12-10-2009 09:24 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! Quote:
Originally Posted by barack obama (Post 2069274) Brass also has a lower modulus of elasticity and therefore is less likely to experience plastic deformation and get stuck in the breech. This is not a problem with a very tight, low tolerance weapon but can cause problems in loose guns, like the mosin nagant.
Again, it is clearances and not tolerances. Sound like semantics, but the two have very different meanings. The reason for brass being used for cartridges is partly due to its mechanical properties, but also its formability, low coefficient of friction, and corrosion resistance.

barack obama | 12-10-2009 11:16 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! Quote:
Originally Posted by S_Goldberg (Post 2069360) Again, it is clearances and not tolerances. Sound like semantics, but the two have very different meanings.
No disagreement here. You can have large clearances with tight tolerances, or vise versa. Just making the point that if your breech has a radial large clearance, steel case ammo may not be for you. I know, I have a few guns that will not eject steel case ammo for this reason.

barack obama | 12-10-2009 11:19 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! Quote:
Originally Posted by S_Goldberg (Post 2069360) Again, it is clearances and not tolerances. Sound like semantics, but the two have very different meanings. The reason for brass being used for cartridges is partly due to its mechanical properties, but also its formability, low coefficient of friction, and corrosion resistance.
Ok, I reread my post. I should have said clearance rather and tolerance. Good catch.

puller738 | 12-14-2009 04:39 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! Just ran 40 rounds through the AK. I have 2 AR's and this was my first time shooting an AK. I like it. :23_30_104: Now I working on a couple thousand rounds of 7.62!!!:emotions16:

The Argent Dragon | 12-14-2009 05:20 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! FYI - J&G sales has Tiger ammo for $229 per case ! http://www.jgsales.com/product_info....oducts_id/1741 :beer:

Rebel Yarr | 12-14-2009 05:23 PM
Re: Just ordered AK from classic arms! yeah - I bought some of that golden tiger ammo - that is the way to go IMO. Shot a few mags out of my AK with it and no problems whatsoever.

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