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Twisted Avatar | 03-19-2010 07:23 AM
Question: Why is Sellier&Bellot Ammo so cheap? I have been looking for 45 ACP ammo as of late ( it is almost impossible to find decent value 50 5d boxes) Everything is varying around 23-29 bucks for FMJ there abouts But when it comes S&B I see their prices have gone as low as 18 bucks for a 50 rd box on multiple sites I know Wolf is cheap but the way they cut cost is by using a non reloadable steel casings S&B has brass that can be used again What gives??? T

teedub31 | 03-19-2010 08:14 AM
Re: Question: Why is Sellier&Bellot Ammo so cheap? I have noticed the same thing when I buy for my 9mm Mak. Me wonders if S&B is setting a new floor for brass prices and we see other following suit and seeing Wolf drop even further to say $14 or $15 a box. I know I can buy silver bear ammo (JHP) for my 9mm for about $12 where as all the brass stuff is $25 except S&B selling at $19. Strange times indeed.

Tn...Andy | 03-19-2010 08:45 AM
Re: Question: Why is Sellier&Bellot Ammo so cheap? Two words: Re Load

teedub31 | 03-19-2010 09:00 AM
Re: Question: Why is Sellier&Bellot Ammo so cheap? It is my understanding that S&B brass is reloadable. Or are you indicating that they are using once-fired spent brass in the S&B rounds?

desertjack | 03-19-2010 09:17 AM
Re: Question: Why is Sellier&Bellot Ammo so cheap? Made in the Czech Republic. They have always been competitively priced it seems to me.

horseshoe3 | 03-19-2010 09:38 AM
Re: Question: Why is Sellier&Bellot Ammo so cheap? I think he means that you should reload. Especially pistol. Reloading for rifle and shotgun can save you 10-40%. Reloading for pistol can save you over 60%. If you cast your own bullets, bump that to 90%.

Twisted Avatar | 03-19-2010 09:44 AM
Re: Question: Why is Sellier&Bellot Ammo so cheap? Quote:
Originally Posted by teedub31 (Post 2233858) It is my understanding that S&B brass is reloadable. Or are you indicating that they are using once-fired spent brass in the S&B rounds?
No, I dont mess with Reloads If I do elect to buy I will keep them for barter. Just a preference unless I personally know the reloader and can examine QC on making it. T

teedub31 | 03-19-2010 09:54 AM
Re: Question: Why is Sellier&Bellot Ammo so cheap? Quote:
Originally Posted by horseshoe3 (Post 2233920) I think he means that you should reload. Especially pistol. Reloading for rifle and shotgun can save you 10-40%. Reloading for pistol can save you over 60%. If you cast your own bullets, bump that to 90%.
I reload for the fun of doing so and working up cartridges that suit my gun (mainly hunting rifles and pistols) so I have never really paid to much attention to the price and cost savings. Now when you get into reloading for bulk storage and you mention 60% savings on pistol ammo, what do you base the savings on. As I said, I can get 9mm Mak rounds with reloaded brass for $25+ or buy zinc cased Silver bear ammo for $12 which is getting into the 60% threshold you mentioned and I don't have my time invested (reloaders can not factor their time in I know).

Goldfinger | 03-19-2010 10:02 AM
Re: Question: Why is Sellier&Bellot Ammo so cheap? I've got quite a bit of S&B 9mm. I like it. It seems as good as anything domestic...

horseshoe3 | 03-19-2010 10:30 AM
Re: Question: Why is Sellier&Bellot Ammo so cheap? Sourcing components from a reloading supply store where I live, I come up with the following for 45ACP: Large pistol primers: 2.5c Hodgdon Titegroup: $13/lb - use 5 gr per round = 2.8c/rd FMJ bullets: 14.5c Cast bullets: 8.6c Putting these together and disregarding your time, you get $9.90 for FMJ, $6.95 for cast, or $3.15 for cast your own (it costs les than a penny per bullet to cast.) I had originally run the numbers about 12 years ago when new name brand ammo was $12-$15, and I could load FMJ for ~$4.50 and cast my own for $1.75. (Wheel weights were free then at any place that did tires.) The percent savings are not quite as good now, but they are still substantial as you can see.

smullen | 03-19-2010 11:51 AM
Re: Question: Why is Sellier&Bellot Ammo so cheap? I've used S&B in my Glocks (9mm, .40 &.45), AR and my shotgun... Never seen their .308 yet, but I'd try it if I found it... Never had any issues with it at all...

S_Goldberg | 03-19-2010 07:59 PM
Re: Question: Why is Sellier&Bellot Ammo so cheap? Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 2233765) I have been looking for 45 ACP ammo as of late ( it is almost impossible to find decent value 50 5d boxes) Everything is varying around 23-29 bucks for FMJ there abouts But when it comes S&B I see their prices have gone as low as 18 bucks for a 50 rd box on multiple sites I know Wolf is cheap but the way they cut cost is by using a non reloadable steel casings S&B has brass that can be used again What gives??? T
Where have you seen it for $18/50? BTW, that is the same price as WWB or Remington UMC at walmart and there is no shipping costs that way.

Twisted Avatar | 03-19-2010 08:20 PM
Re: Question: Why is Sellier&Bellot Ammo so cheap? Quote:
Originally Posted by S_Goldberg (Post 2234855) Where have you seen it for $18/50? BTW, that is the same price as WWB or Remington UMC at walmart and there is no shipping costs that way.
I think the amory carried wolf for 18 bucks but ( my mistake) but everybody else kinda varied around 21-22 FRNS http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=717107 http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_s..._acp_ammo.html http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm...dID=ZYSBA04501 http://www.cabelas.com/p-0012661210837a.shtml http://www.jgsales.com/product_info....roducts_id/482 http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...230gr-fmj-ammo

Ag_man | 03-19-2010 08:31 PM
Re: Question: Why is Sellier&Bellot Ammo so cheap? I never found S&B ammo particularly cheap, but it is of good quality and I've found it as a easy source for odd ball stuff like .303 Brit, noncorrosive.

GSM/MM | 03-19-2010 08:39 PM
Re: Question: Why is Sellier&Bellot Ammo so cheap? Twisted, scroll down on the -Armory website. PMC brass case 359.99, comes to 18 a box by the case. Have shot over 10000 rounds w/o hiccup. Dont know about shipping, though as they are up the road from me. Picked up another case last week.

Brent H | 03-19-2010 09:18 PM
Re: Question: Why is Sellier&Bellot Ammo so cheap? 10 years ago I bought a bunch of S&B loads chambered for the .40 S&W. It was pure garbage and many of the rounds simply failed to fire. I have bought several batches recently and have no longer encountered that problem. It seems to be fairly adequate for target practice and training purposes.

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