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luft97 | 07-27-2008 10:04 PM
New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? I'm thinking of picking up a semi-automatic .22 and I am torn between either: 1) Ruger 10/22 Stainless Target - http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/imag.../ruk1022ts.jpg 2) GSG-5 The MP5 Clone - http://www.onpointsupply.com/GSG-5/g...e_for_sale.jpg I will primarily be using it for plinking as well as shooting small varmint. I'm not really worried about the price of the rifle as they are both fairly close in price. The other option is open if you have a suggestion of your own please let me know what you think.

mick silver | 07-27-2008 10:04 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? i like ruger gun , so i say ruger

gangsta99 | 07-27-2008 10:36 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Ruger. That stock is ugly though on that pic.

Coltwind | 07-27-2008 11:26 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Calico m-100 with 100 rounds ready to go.

luft97 | 07-27-2008 11:32 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1211912) The Marlin Papoose is a take-down so it has the advantage of being able to be stowed in a backpack, if that is a consideration. http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/imag...rvivalPic2.jpg
Hmm, that could be an option. Take-down would be nice. Highest capacity mag is 15 rds tho. Have to look into it a little more.

Black Blade | 07-27-2008 11:33 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Custom-made like the one the assassin had in "The Jackal" (The original 1973 version with Edward Fox).

still afloat | 07-28-2008 12:38 AM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1211912) The Marlin Papoose is a take-down so it has the advantage of being able to be stowed in a backpack, if that is a consideration.
I own one myself and it is the best 22 I've shot .You can literally drive nails with it . The rifling in it is unbelievable . Light weight , easy to carry and store , came in a red zippered case . You can get higher cap. mags for it as well 10 and 15 , hard to find but there is a 25 round mag for it as well. I shoot with one arm so the lack of the fore stocks extra weight added to the reason for the purchase .

still afloat | 07-28-2008 12:41 AM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Quote:
Originally Posted by luft97 (Post 1211947) Hmm, that could be an option. Take-down would be nice. Highest capacity mag is 15 rds tho. Have to look into it a little more.
hard to find but there is a 25 round mag for it , it was marlin part number 407646

Aussie | 07-28-2008 12:52 AM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? I have a 10/22 and find it very accurate.

TUMS | 07-28-2008 01:09 AM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Ruger 1022. But I prefer lever actions. These are the 22's I would choose if I were buying. Winchester 9422 or Marlin 39a. They still make the Marlin. In fact the Marlin 39a is the oldest, and longest made rifle in the world. They started making them in 1891.

luft97 | 07-28-2008 05:04 AM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Thanks for all the input so far everyone.

ProblemSolver | 07-28-2008 09:40 AM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? I have owned a Ruger 10/22 for 25 or 30 years. It is accurate to a fault (even with me shooting), feeds almost any ammo, and is very reliable. I will be buying another one, just not sure how soon. Another thing nice about the Ruger is the large after-market for this rifle. Any number of stocks, barrels, magazines, etc. are available. In fact, Cabela's even sells a cool little kit to which you attach two 10/22's and turn them into a hand-cranked gatling gun. Sure would be fun for plinking, et.al.

graspAU | 07-28-2008 02:01 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Ruger 10/22, but just go get the Walmart special with stainless 22" barrel. I think it is still about $238.

The Argent Dragon | 07-28-2008 02:07 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Ruger 10/22............lot's of aftermarket accessories available and it's a good solid rifle. :wink:

AZLiberty | 07-28-2008 08:17 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Base Model Ruger 10/22 and trick it out yourself.

SilverCity | 07-28-2008 08:59 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Yawn...what AZ said. Get the basic Ruger, a workin' man's autoloading 22.

Bill843 | 07-29-2008 02:36 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1211948) Custom-made like the one the assassin had in "The Jackal" (The original 1973 version with Edward Fox).
Brocock used to sell an air rifle like that, for their charged-case airgun cartridges. (Sorry, I do not recall seeing any firearms manufactured specifically like that) Brococks didn't compare in power to a .22LR of course, they were maintenance-intensive and the power was on the mild side even among pellet guns. Link notes that they were all recalled and destroyed in 2004 (in the UK, where they were manufactured) so you may never ever bump into one now. ....... OP: I would get a plain Ruger 1022 as cheap as you can but new, and add the heavy barrel + stock, with a better hammer + mag release. The only downside to building such a gun is the lack of open sights on it; that bit can cost some money to do. Also I found some accuracy improvement by bedding mine with sorbothane pads; there was a bit of play in the laminated stock mine had that the sorbothane got rid of. {-In the past, aftermarket barrels were better than Ruger's own "target" barrels. The common wisdom was that Ruger used a poor twist for all their 10/22 barrels, and their "target" variations were sad, overpriced jokes. I dunno if that's still the case or not-} You don't need a stainless, unless you live in the Pacific Northwest, and even at that you'd want the entire gun made in stainless (all the parts, except fro a synthetic stock) and I dunno if Ruger does all the insides in stainless...? I have a SS, but never really looked inside. And mine is ~20 yrs old now, so even if it was, it wouldn't tell you anything about what they're turning out today anyway. The HK clone might look nifty but if it shoots lousy, where would you find better parts for it? ---- A gun that looks simple but shoots accurate is far more fun than the opposite. ...And for that same reason, a Ruger MkII/III Gov't 6-7/8" pistol is way better than a Walther P22 or a SIG Mosquito. -end-

eyeofliberty | 07-29-2008 02:59 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? 2 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1211912) The Marlin Papoose is a take-down so it has the advantage of being able to be stowed in a backpack, if that is a consideration.
Henry makes an AR-7 Survival along those lines: http://www.henryrepeating.com/h002_survival.cfm

Bill843 | 07-29-2008 04:08 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1214322) ...What are all you 10/22 fans gonna do when you need to carry your .22 rifle in stealth mode???
-If I have to carry a 10/22 in "stealth mode", I'll have gotten a folding stock and an extra barrel that I cut down to 12 inches. What if you have to suddenly use your rifle, and you don't have time to put it together? ;) ----- Also, Ruger is selling that 10/22 pistol now, the, ehhhh,,, the whatever-it-is. They kinda want too much for it, but I guess we should just be happy it's not as much as the Volquartsen version.... -end-

eyeofliberty | 07-29-2008 05:41 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1214322) Great concept with very lousy accuracy and trigger pull. The Marlin Papoose really is the hot tip.
Good to know, thanks for the heads-up!

TTAZZMAN | 07-29-2008 06:48 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Quote:
Originally Posted by Coltwind (Post 1211943) Calico m-100 with 100 rounds ready to go.
ugly as heck..sore thumbs from loading....but after that its one of my favorite guns. great to hear someone else likes these guns of course a Ruger 10/22 is the safe standard everyones got one easy to get mods and parts choice

Bill843 | 07-31-2008 03:57 AM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1214391) Got the documentation for that SBR? In the view of the BATFags, having all the parts, although not assembled, constitutes a complete piece.
What I meant was--if it gets to the point that I need to carry a rifle in "stealth mode", I'm not going to be too concerned about BATF regs. ------ When I was a kid my friends and I all thought that the Armalite AR-7 was just about the coolest gun around, that we would have been able to afford ammo for. I've not ever heard of good or even fair accuracy from any of them though. -end-

Coltwind | 07-31-2008 06:58 AM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Can we consider the AR-15 a .22 center fire? I know it's a 223. .22 on steroids. With the AR-15 you can buy a conversion kit and shoot a number of calibers. From .22 up to .50 beowolf.

Black Blade | 07-31-2008 11:27 AM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/p22_package.jpg Found some on sale if anyone is interested. Not a bad price IMO. Good for some "wet work" too. http://www.impactguns.com/store/product2296.html

luft97 | 07-31-2008 06:32 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1217015) http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/p22_package.jpg Found some on sale if anyone is interested. Not a bad price IMO. Good for some "wet work" too. http://www.impactguns.com/store/product2296.html
Would love to have one, but I'm not going to go through all of the registration process in order to have a suppressor.

luft97 | 09-09-2008 03:03 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Thanks to everyone for the input. I decided to go with the 10/22. Picked it up last weekend. http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...7/DSC_5228.jpg

wallew | 09-11-2008 06:52 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Walther G22... http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...05&isFirearm=Y I've held this one and it's HOT. As a .22 caliber 'bullpup' designed rifle, it is unique in the industry for .22 caliber rifles from a major manufacturer that I'm aware of.

Lt Dan | 09-11-2008 08:26 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? 10/22 for all the options to play around with. As above, just buy the basic and trick it out to your specs.

StrawMan=Corporation | 11-28-2008 12:30 AM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? If you join a board called http://rimfirecentral.com/ you can find billet receivers and match grade barrels and build a 10/22 from scratch and bypass buying the stock 10/22 if you only plan to upgrade in the end. Once I get other preps handled that is what I plan to do. And the rimfire rifles and parts dont seem to be as popular as the AR and Fal parts because of the Obama hysteria. Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Dan (Post 1285262) 10/22 for all the options to play around with. As above, just buy the basic and trick it out to your specs.

koyaanisqatsi | 11-28-2008 02:37 AM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? 1 Attachment(s) On the poll I said OTHER... I had a Browning BuckMark Classic burglarized and eventually I decided to replace it with this 10/22 with many custom parts. The action and barrel is canibalized from a kid's model with a 16-1/2" blued factory barrel. The stock folds and so it is very functional in a backpack and yet solid-locking. Many internals, trigger, extractor, firing pin, mag release, bolt handle etc, were replaced with Volkwartzen parts, some of lightweight titanium Sights are Williams peep rear, fiber-optic front bead, for long sight-radius, speed, and all-weather precision. It weighs under 4lbs empty and is quite short overall, but good-enough-for-me accurate ... it is primarily a 10/22 bug-out survival rifle perhaps, to be carried with minimum of (200) CCI Velocitors for power, and (100) CCI CB Longs for quiet food-gathering each shot single-fire no-eject, a 10-round rotary and (2) 25-rnd Butler Creek Steel Lips mags. My other .22 is a beautiful walnut-stocked 1977 model Remington 541-S Custom Sporter (photo is off the web) ... a tack driver with 24" barrel, match chamber, adjustable trigger, 5 or 10-rnd mags, and a nice new 3-9x BSA .22 scope sight. Each rifle has a niche and I consider a semi-auto rifle to be rather rough and utilitarian, a plinker, and difficult to warm up to or get excited about... I stiil like a bolt-action best unless I'm buggin out. (CALL ME OLD-FASHIONED, prejudiced, out-of-step, thats OK!) http://www.accuratereloading.com/r541t.jpg

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Ag_man | 11-29-2008 06:54 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? koyaanisqatsi, that Remington sure looks like a nice rifle, did you buy it like that, or did you do the customizing yourself? For those of you that have taken a stock Ruger 10/22 and upgraded it with Volksquarten parts, bull barrel, etc; does the performance improve that much? I've thought about it, but for 2-3X the cost of a stock 10/22, I have to wonder.

koyaanisqatsi | 11-29-2008 08:22 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Quote:
Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1440412) koyaanisqatsi, that Remington sure looks like a nice rifle, did you buy it like that, or did you do the customizing yourself? For those of you that have taken a stock Ruger 10/22 and upgraded it with Volksquarten parts, bull barrel, etc; does the performance improve that much? I've thought about it, but for 2-3X the cost of a stock 10/22, I have to wonder.
Here's a true tale... Once I went squirrel hunting at dawn. I saw a squirrel eating a hickory nut high in a tree a good 75 yards away, so I took my time, sat down and got a sapling's trunk for a rifle rest, put the cross hair an inch over his head and timed my pulse and breath and squeezed the final ounce ... POP! ... the grey squirrel dropped the nut, began to scratch his ear for 10 seconds and then just went back to eating another hickory nut... So I cranked a round up again, waited a minute, and dropped the crosshair down to his ear on top of his head, POP! ... and he disappeared, fallen stone dead, shot bullseye through the head. Turns out the first .22 was too high, just barely nicked the fur off the upper tip of his ear, upon examination I saw a perfect crescent cut there through the guard hairs, a spot of blood, so the innocent naive squirrel figured it was a bug bite or something, I was SO FAR away... I'd thought he had been 100yds away! ... A good feeling and why I love this rifle, the 541-S Remington. My Dad was from Eastern Kentucky and he grew up as a boy hunting squirrels with a 1935 tube-fed Remington .22 bolt action, 24" barrel, just to augment the family meat supply, so this manly art of squirrel hunting is in my 'culture', where 'calling a single small shot' is an admired thing. Deer are easier to hit. I bought the rifle new and the only thing I've done to it is to insert sling swivels and the scope bases. 'Custom Sporter' is the name designated by Remington. It has a tapered 24" target grade barrel, countersunk muzzle, engraved receiver and bowed trigger guard, match-chamber that SEATS the bullet into the riflings BEFORE one pulls the trigger (not easy with an auto) and it has 6 cam action locking lugs like a model 700 big game rifle. The lockup is solid and tight, the 'lock time' is fast... many features here unlike most semi-autos. (*This pic is not my personal 541-S rifle, but a pic stolen off the web) It's built on a Remington 40-X target action, same adjustable trigger like a glass-toothpick snapping, and is perhaps regarded as the 'king' of .22LR sillouette matches still to this day... http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=246019 http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=245732 It cost about $265 new as I recall. (or $700-1000 today, used in VGC) I just put a nice new BSA big-game style 3-9x with a dial-in calibration trajectory-compensator to 150yds, I just sight in at 50yds and go. The scope has 50yd parallax too, very important on a .22. The rifle consistently shoots 1- 1.25", 10-shot groups at 100yds from a bench rest on a calm day with just Federal Lightning 40gr RN bulk-packammo, ragged one-hole groups at 40-50yds -- NO KIDDIN! I'll compete with anyone, any rifle, at 100yds on a CALM day only. (but .22 long rifle bullets sure blow like leaves in a wind) Nowdays, the 541-S Custom Sporter is almost legendary as somewhat of the beginning of the current phase of high-grade .22LRs. I believe only about 35,000 were ever made, over maybe 10 years (mostly stagflation) from 1973-83. It came a decade too soon they now say, and it could not be made cheaply because of certain processes involved in the receiver the same as a 700 centerfire, therfore it was 'overbuilt' for the functionality of any 'sane' .22 bolt action. But it is SWEET! :36_3_16: People once thought, who'd pay that much for a silly little .22? So then, there was very little demand. It was just too much money for pretty, and it wasn't even an automatic, can't squirt bullets, so not much fun either. I included this all as explanation here -- of why I just don't get worked up over any auto-rifle, no matter how accurate it can be made to become with the right barrel. It's kinda like if I had a dream sports car I want old fashioned rear-wheel-drive and a 5-in-the-floor... if I dream of a woman I'd go for Lauren Bacall maybe ... I go for the classics! THANKS FOR ASKING! My custom 10/22 (actual photo above, OBVIOUSLY my pick in .22 semi-autos) was never meant to replace my 541-S, but for what it is, survival, it's sweet enough too. Each has a place with me, just ONE can be my FAVORITE however... ... :coolbeer: Mine is not as pretty as this below, which has even nicer curly walnut, but feast your eyes and it's hard to go back to any 'modern custom' automatic again, even a nice 10/22 ... excuse me one more pic of a 541-S: http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/r...allPics022.jpg PS: I HOPE I did not sidetrack this fine thread -- sorry but I figured why not ramble a bit... now back to .22 semi-autos ... oops!

elroy | 11-30-2008 10:39 AM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? I have an old Remington Speedmaster 552 I like a lot. If buying new I would get a Ruger 10/22, mostly due to parts availability and reputation.

farscott | 12-02-2008 12:33 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? My semi-auto .22 is the Volquartsen version of the 10/22. Mine is stainless with an integral Weaver mount. It wears a 2MOA C-More red dot sight. The barrel is threaded for my quick-connect suppressor. My bolt .22s are a Kimber 82G single-shot with iron sights and a Kimber HS with a rimfire Leupold 3-9X compact. The single-shot is a tack driver, and the rifle I use for 200 yard rimfire shooting.

Prometheus | 12-02-2008 01:34 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? I have the 10/22 and the GSG-5. Both of them rock. Both are very accurate and FWIW I've never had a FTF in my GSG5 vs the occasional one with the 10/22.

negative1 | 12-03-2008 12:35 AM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? GSG5 You Tube
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TUMS | 12-03-2008 12:54 AM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? My 22 rifles. 3 of them. All lever action. Wouldn't trade them for anything. In fact, I might pick up another browning to put in storage to eventually give to my kid. Winchester 9422 Marlin 39a Browning BL-22

mk3hunter | 12-04-2008 08:21 AM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Quote:
If you can find one, the Norinco knock-off of the Browning take-down semi-auto .22 is another great option for a take-down .22 -
Dont get the Chicom knock-off (china owns to much of us(debt) already) +1 on the Browning!!

<SLV> | 12-04-2008 01:03 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1211912) The Marlin Papoose is a take-down so it has the advantage of being able to be stowed in a backpack, if that is a consideration. http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/marlin_70pss.jpg
This Henry take-down stores the barrel and action in the butt of the gun. It also is waterproof and floats if dropped in water. http://www.henryrepeating.com/h002_survival.cfm http://www.henryrepeating.com/images...urvival_lg.jpg http://www.henryrepeating.com/images...rvivalopen.jpg

koyaanisqatsi | 12-04-2008 02:04 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Those are nice little survival rifles, each offering some specific advantage, but I like my 10/22 survival rifle since it is somewhat 'accurized' by various Volkwatzen and Power Custom aftermarket parts and is quicker to deploy (folding stock) than the AR-7 and Henry survival rifles, probably a little more accurate too, if only due to the sight and aftermarket trigger. (the trigger is lighter but still not what I call 'crisp') It's often all trade-offs in choosing almost any firearm. My 10/22 as outfitted sure cost more. It seems a bit too light and short as it is (about 4lbs) for shooting accurately offhand, it wiggles around a lot on me as it is... (smile at my excuses). If I carried my 10/22 in a small boat or canoe I'd consider tying an empty plastic 2 liter jug (displaces 4lbs) to it with a cord along the shoulder strap, to make sure it would float like that AR-7 is supposed to, a contingency in case I am overturned. Stuff happens. I suspect that AR-7 only floats if the rifle is assembled and the stock is hollowed, but my speculations are often wrong. A big advantage for defensive survival that the 10/22 holds could be the optional 25-round and even 30-round magazines. This was determinant for me in selecting the 10/22 for survival, as in potential 'suppression fire', or repeated hits into one or more targets defensively, a consideration in urban survival or escape and evasion more so than traditional wilderness survival, except with the rare bear or common wild dogs, etc. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...160_AA115_.jpg Along those lines I bought two Butler Creek Mags that were plastic 'hot lips' and they both jammed a lot, failed to load, but would eject. I quickly traded them for Butler Creek 'steel lips', ten dollars more each but they almost never jam, but the mags are hardly broken in yet. The standard 10-round rotary mags are all excellent IMO. Anyone else have input on mags and parts for 10/22? By my experience the 10-shot rotary mags are 100% reliable, Butler Creek steel lips 25-round are 98-99% reliable, and Butler Creek 'hot lips' are 50% relible jam-o-matics... feedback? Maybe my little 10/22 rifle is somehow unusual? I figure it is.

<SLV> | 12-04-2008 02:15 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? Quote:
Originally Posted by koyaanisqatsi (Post 1449252) Those are nice little survival rifles, each offering some specific advantage, but I like my 10/22 survival rifle since it is somewhat 'accurized' by various Volkwatzen and Power Custom aftermarket parts and is quicker to deploy (folding stock) than the AR-7 and Henry survival rifles, probably a little more accurate too, if only due to the sight and aftermarket trigger. (the trigger is lighter but still not what I call 'crisp') It's often all trade-offs in choosing almost any firearm. My 10/22 as outfitted sure cost more. It seems a bit too light and short as it is (about 4lbs) for shooting accurately offhand, it wiggles around a lot on me as it is... (smile at my excuses). If I carried my 10/22 in a small boat or canoe I'd consider tying an empty plastic 2 liter jug (displaces 4lbs) to it with a cord along the shoulder strap, to make sure it would float like that AR-7 is supposed to, a contingency in case I am overturned. Stuff happens. I suspect that AR-7 only floats if the rifle is assembled and the stock is hollowed, but my speculations are often wrong. A big advantage for defensive survival that the 10/22 holds could be the optional 25-round and even 30-round magazines. This was determinant for me in selecting the 10/22 for survival, as in potential 'suppression fire', or repeated hits into one or more targets defensively, a consideration in urban survival or escape and evasion more so than traditional wilderness survival, except with the rare bear or common wild dogs, etc. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...160_AA115_.jpg Along those lines I bought two Butler Creek Mags that were plastic 'hot lips' and they both jammed a lot, failed to load, but would eject. I quickly traded them for Butler Creek 'steel lips', ten dollars more each but they almost never jam, but the mags are hardly broken in yet. The standard 10-round rotary mags are all excellent IMO. Anyone else have input on mags and parts for 10/22? By my experience the 10-shot rotary mags are 100% reliable, Butler Creek steel lips 25-round are 98-99% reliable, and Butler Creek 'hot lips' are 50% relible jam-o-matics... feedback? Maybe my little 10/22 rifle is somehow unusual? I figure it is.
With big mags you'd better have this: http://www.bmikarts.com/shop/images/3051_th.jpg http://www.bmikarts.com/shop/?shop=1&cat=2&

koyaanisqatsi | 12-04-2008 02:33 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? :coolbeer: SLV: That gatling-gun attachment is cool but first I'm gonna get a muzzle break/flash hider! A pack of wild dogs in the night coming at me, and I'd still pass on the nifty gatling-gun attachment... but 25 quick RELIABLE rounds would feel better in my hand. You, or rather I did say, 'survival rifle' ... this is my own idea of one, if the mags are good. Laugh at me anytime ya wish!

AndrewSly | 12-04-2008 08:38 PM
Re: New Firearms Poll - Which Semi-Auto .22 Would You Buy? I have a Ruger 10/22 and a Marlin 22 lever action. I think they are great guns, but my Walther P22 pistol is much better gun then those two. I will fit in my back pocket and is very easy gun to shoot.

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