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Twisted Avatar | 03-13-2009 09:28 AM
How Many Magazines is Enough? How Many Magazines is Enough?, by Cowboy It's nice to know how many guns you have to share amongst those mags, or better yet how many magazines do you have to share amongst multiple like model rifles or pistols for that matter. That's how I count them to see if I feel like I have enough or not. Plus, I like to count in the possibility of adding another gun or two into that particular category at a later date since buying extra mags is always cheaper than adding a new gun. If nothing else, extra mags are a great investment for later sale or barter especially if the current snake oil salesman in charge signs a new assault weapons ban into law. As an example, I got caught with just a couple of AK and AR mags when the Assault weapons Ban (AWB) took effect in 1994. This was before the "preparedness mindset" for me which came later in 1996 when I found JWR's novel draft "The Gray Nineties" [--an early draft edition of "Patriots" ]. I was not nearly so gun market savvy as I am today. I was the typical gun owner/collector with one each of several guns without any thought to caliber consolidation or commonality of magazines for logistics purposes. In the same vein I may have had a couple 20 round boxes of 223 or 762x39 ammo laying around with really no thought of having anymore than what I needed to go to the range one time for about an hour's worth of shooting. In hindsight it was absolutely shameful--like 99% of the sleeping gun owning public. Then the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 was signed into law and there was a run on certain guns, ammunition, and magazines--much like we are seeing now--that swept the country overnight. Back then, I was way behind the curve on that and I got caught off guard. At the time $6 for a nice but used USGI M16 magazine was common and a new mag might set you back $10. Overnight if you could even find some for sale you had to pay double or triple that. Same with Glock magazines as another example. They went from +/- $15 for a new one to $40-$45. [JWR Adds: In 1999, I saw gun show dealers asking and getting $75 each for 13 round Glock 21 magazines, and $150 each for 33 round Glock 17/18/19 magazines!] This market environment went on for the 10 year life span of the AWB until it "sunsetted" in 2004. Prices went down and availability went back to normal until just before the 2008 election. Since 2004 I have been eagerly buying all the magazines I needed, or thought I might ever need in a lifetime. I learned my lesson. In anticipation of the election I was counting on the ignorance and gullibility of the general populace so I made a last bulk purchase of magazines. Good thing too! Just this past summer (2008), I bought a little over $1,000 worth of various magazines, and in particular Glock 17 magazines from my favorite place. At that time they were $16.99 all day long. The election came and now they are $24.99 from the same place, and even so they are still the cheapest I can find among my many regular sources. More recently, SIG magazines for have gone up at most places for instance. Pre-election they usually went for right at $30. One of my regular places has gone up a little bit to $33, but I've seen that most other places have jacked them up to $40. It was and is the old "short supply and high demand" syndrome, due in part to all the panic buying that could have been avoided if done a little bit at a time like I've done over the past five years. As bad as the prices got then, what's going on now is far worse in terms of availability. Having lived and financially suffered through the '94 AWB, I still can say I've never seen anything like this before. This is easily twice as bad as the '94 AWB, and no legislation is even close to being signed into law yet. I lived and paid dearly through the '94 AWB and I feel like I can speak on the topic of what's happening in the gun market right now with some authority. In other words if you find a deal where they haven't gouged the prices, then I recommend buying extra beyond your immediate needs. Knowing what you know about your arsenal of freedom, I'd say stop buying guns and concentrate on ammunition and a few more magazines as a priority. You can't drive a Corvette if you can't afford the gas, so to speak. The mistake they made in 1994 was not going after the ammunition and they realize that now. If the majority of gun owning America is still anything like I was back in 1994, any possible self defense in a civil unrest situation would be short lived without adequate ammunition supplies already in place. And who's got time to reload the one or two magazines they got with the rifle in the middle of a fire fight? When it comes to magazines, more is better. I suspect this mood has improved among gun owners in general and that the lesson of the '94 AWB still smells fresh to some. As evidenced by my coworkers who come to me for 'gun advise", I still believe the majority are gun rich, but magazine and ammunition poor so to speak. Now that I've gone on entirely too long you should have noticed the theme: Buy more magazines where you need them and even if you don't as long as the prices aren't gouge level. Buy more ammunition for your major battle rifle caliber at every opportunity because it certainly isn't getting any cheaper and availability is scarce. Look at Ammoman.com and AIMSurplus.com. They are just plain out of all the common caliber ammunition. That is very telling, but it also concerns me the most. In case you feel overwhelmed at the very expense of it all, I give the example of a co-worker who recently got on the same page via my Christmas gift of JWR's novel "Patriots" .. On pay day this coworker without fail goes to the local Horse Tack & Gun Shop and buys two or three twenty round boxes of commercial .223. Whatever he can afford that pay day. Although he was quite behind the 8 Ball in the beginning, he has over 500 rounds now and he just picked up three extra M16 magazines. His little bit at a time strategy is working nicely, and I have seen his overall mood improve as his supply grows along with his confidence. He has also has been using the "copy can" method at the grocery store and his progression in that department has really improved his state as well. As a general recommendation I advise the following with the caveat that you add the same minimum amount of used generic (cheaper) magazines for range use. I know it's extra money but you can't go wrong by then adding a second batch of new factory magazines as you can locate and afford them until you've doubled that original minimum. I can assure you they will make a nice investment later down the road. Keep those brand new magazines back in the "break glass in case of emergency" box. That will be your long term storage box that you don't touch until TSHTF. Buy .50 caliber ammo cans for a safe place to store magazines, with a bag of desiccant thrown in for good measure. I've actually vacuum packed mine for long term rust free storage. Keep the used but reliable generic mags about for immediate availability and for range use. [Some snipped, for brevity.] As a absolute minimum I recommend the following. Hopefully you are in or can get into a position to consolidate caliber and like model firearms if for nothing other than a logistics standpoint. Having to find, purchase, and store several different calibers, and multiple types of magazines can make an already expensive proposition downright discouraging. (10) Ten brand new magazines per main battle rifle (This under most circumstances should equate to basic load + spares) (7) Seven brand new magazines per pistol (This also under most circumstances should equate to basic load + spares) and, (1) Main Battle Rifle per adult or responsible teenager (1) Main Sidearm per adult or responsible teenager And of course, in my opinion one of the most often neglected items: professional training, and appropriate web gear to carry those magazines and your sidearm. http://www.survivalblog.com/

negative1 | 03-13-2009 10:41 AM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? You have got to look at them like precious metals. Guns are like gold and mags are like silver. Can you ever have "enough" gold and silver? :biggrin:

Bx3 | 03-13-2009 11:29 AM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? Quote:
Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1623356) Sounds about right. I bought some spare mag springs and followers too. Very cheap!
Good point on the springs/followers. Many people are overlooking these types of purchases. Other spare parts like extractors and recoil springs should be another priority. It sure would be unfortunate if your $2,000 wonder gun goes down to club status due to a $2 part or spring. I would consider the 10/7 mag numbers to be the minimum. More is always better!

ghostofagreatman | 03-13-2009 11:38 AM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? If you die with loaded mags left over you had enough if you die with no loaded mags left you did not have enough.

EE_ | 03-13-2009 11:44 AM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? Did you ever count how many rounds you could fire, if you had everything you own, guns and mags, loaded, before you had to reload again? 300? 800? 3,000? :565:

<SLV> | 03-13-2009 11:47 AM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? I like to keep 100 rounds in magazines for my primary battle rifle (5 20-rounders). Duty pistol - 2 loaded mags is enough (15 each). I've had a hard time finding high-capacity magazines for my 50 caliber muzzle-loader.

hypervel | 03-13-2009 11:54 AM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? I was noting to a friend last night that one place was asking $15 for milspec AR mags....20's and 30's same same. I asked if he remembered the price of the same during the ban. Wanna say 40ish was the usual. Guns and mags as gold and silver indeed. The sunny side is that nobody can naked short the value of your holdings, ya know? BTW the 92fs mags at CDNN that are mil contract are "Airtronics"- mine are 10/06. Be sure to check the springs-found one upside down, ta ta, TA!

<SLV> | 03-13-2009 11:57 AM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? Quote:
Originally Posted by hypervel (Post 1623466) I was noting to a friend last night that one place was asking $15 for milspec AR mags....20's and 30's same same. I asked if he remembered the price of the same during the ban. Wanna say 40ish was the usual. Guns and mags as gold and silver indeed. The sunny side is that nobody can naked short the value of your holdings, ya know? BTW the 92fs mags at CDNN that are mil contract are "Airtronics"- mine are 10/06. Be sure to check the springs-found one upside down, ta ta, TA!
You can get 20-round mags? There is nothing to be had north of Denver! I understand that the manufacturers are focused on cranking out 30-round mags to keep up with demand. 20s are nice for shooting prone or bench shooting.

MOD1 | 03-13-2009 12:08 PM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? Yes, 10/7 seems reasonable for most weapons; however, I have only the original magazine for my .25 Phoenix Raven. :biggrin: :rofl: Seriously though, I think multiple duplicate weapons is an idea worth considering as well as commonality of magazines among weapons. Take care, Mod1

elroy | 03-13-2009 12:11 PM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? I currently have 6-8 for each pistol. It is fairly easy to find surplus or used mags for pistols that are military or police issued weapons for a low price. However if you buy some other pistol that has a more limited production or made specifically for the civilian market you are going to pay for them. I recently bought 5 nice used mags for my S&W .40 for about the same price as one mag for my Colt Mustang .380

Twisted Avatar | 03-13-2009 01:06 PM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? It is for this reason alone I dam near live and die by Glocks. Huge after market Rock solid reputation Interchangeable mags between 3 class of 9MM Extreme ease of use and teach ability Can shoot any ammo fed If I arrived earlier to the party I am sure I would refined my taste but with the hour as late as it is. Buy Glocks :ok: T

<SLV> | 03-13-2009 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1623590) And Glock is also still widely available. My favorite dealer says they are the only ones that are keeping up with demand.
But prices have doubled in the last 18 months.

Twisted Avatar | 03-13-2009 01:36 PM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1623610) But prices have doubled in the last 18 months.
BUSINESS IS BUSINESS. QUALITY COSTS. CLAM UP ......PAY THE PRICE.......AND HOLD NO REGRETS. IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU IN SPADES. T

meatman | 03-13-2009 01:56 PM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? 1 riffle for every 10,000 rounds 1 mag for every 1000 rounds I have 95 mags you do the math

MetalManiac | 03-13-2009 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by meatman (Post 1623663) 1 riffle for every 10,000 rounds 1 mag for every 1000 rounds I have 95 mags you do the math
Awesome Meatman. :adore: I know a guy who has like 70 firearms, 250K+ of rounds, 500+ mags and reloading equipment/supplies galore. :ok:

mick silver | 03-13-2009 02:26 PM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? is many is it take to fill 5 50 cal boxes

hypervel | 03-13-2009 02:51 PM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1623472) You can get 20-round mags? There is nothing to be had north of Denver! I understand that the manufacturers are focused on cranking out 30-round mags to keep up with demand. 20s are nice for shooting prone or bench shooting.
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/ar220temagwt.html looks to be in stock. Been good people to deal with in my experience. Goeth thee, cleave unto their stocked shelves!

hypervel | 03-13-2009 02:52 PM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1623610) But prices have doubled in the last 18 months.
And they're going back down? Only if O leaves his hands off weps>>>>>>not likely.

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 03-13-2009 06:50 PM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? Quote:
Originally Posted by meatman (Post 1623663) 1 riffle for every 10,000 rounds 1 mag for every 1000 rounds I have 95 mags you do the math
....you have 9.5 rifles?! 1000 x 95mags = 95,000rounds / 10,000 = 9.5 Rifles! Also I agree with elroy that .40 S&W Mags are damn expensive!!!

elroy | 03-13-2009 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNocturnalEgyptian (Post 1624200) Also I agree with elroy that .40 S&W Mags are damn expensive!!!
Depends where you buy them. New these are $30 each. I paid $30 + shipping for five 11 round stainless mags that fit the 4000 series. [4006 4026 4046] I wish I could find a similar deal on mags for the 669/6906 or my Colt Mustang.

smullen | 03-13-2009 11:22 PM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? I honestly don't think you can have too many Mags or too much ammo... If you have a dry safe place to keep it... Fill it...

GSM/MM | 03-14-2009 12:00 AM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? if all loaded @ X,XXX rounds. on second thought, i probably dont want to post that...

farscott | 03-14-2009 10:51 AM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? Last night, I picked up ten more 17-round Glock 9x19 magazines. That brings my total to 20 magazines, all for a gun I do not own. Yet.

Doge | 03-14-2009 10:54 AM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? I like to have as many magazines for each different type of ammunition I have. I don't know if that makes any sense or not but I just do it.

mtnman | 03-14-2009 12:32 PM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1623455) I like to keep 100 rounds in magazines for my primary battle rifle (5 20-rounders). Duty pistol - 2 loaded mags is enough (15 each). I've had a hard time finding high-capacity magazines for my 50 caliber muzzle-loader.
High-capacity magazine for a muzzle-loader. Holds 12 patched balls. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...9/MVC-071S.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...9/MVC-070S.jpg

Twisted Avatar | 03-14-2009 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by farscott (Post 1624961) Last night, I picked up ten more 17-round Glock 9x19 magazines. That brings my total to 20 magazines, all for a gun I do not own. Yet.
That is was a wise investment on your part. Glocks are as common as the sand on the sea shore and when the ban is back in place knockoff mag sales will be brisk which will inturn put a whopping premium on factory issused supplies. 3 figures is a slam dunk 4 figures would not suprise me at all. 33 rd Mags may fetch you a good working car. Keep buying them ..... your payday is all but certian. :ok: BELIEVE IT. T

sneak | 03-14-2009 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1625103) High-capacity magazine for a muzzle-loader. Holds 12 patched balls.
Nice! But it will probably end up on the "Ban" list too since it holds over 10 rds! :wink: :biggrin:

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 03-14-2009 01:19 PM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? Gangsta'!! Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1625103) High-capacity magazine for a muzzle-loader. Holds 12 patched balls. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...9/MVC-071S.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...9/MVC-070S.jpg

Twisted Avatar | 03-14-2009 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Hivemindgammahydra7 (Post 1625161) Gangsta'!!
So the 5ive shot "pepper box" heaven help you if you get caught with that......

AKBill | 03-14-2009 01:56 PM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? You can never have enough but our basic combat load is 7 mags on the person 6 on the vest one in the weapon and six in the assault pack plus 6 in reserve at the ammo point we carry three handgun mags one in the weapon plus two on the vest plus two in the assault pack and two at the ammo point for each weapon so thats 19 mags for each long gun and 7 mags for each hand gun

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Twisted Avatar | 03-14-2009 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AKBill (Post 1625216) You can never have enough
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mtnman | 03-14-2009 04:31 PM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBill (Post 1625216) You can never have enough but our basic combat load is 7 mags on the person 6 on the vest one in the weapon and six in the assault pack plus 6 in reserve at the ammo point we carry three handgun mags one in the weapon plus two on the vest plus two in the assault pack and two at the ammo point for each weapon so thats 19 mags for each long gun and 7 mags for each hand gun
Soooo, A soldier IS a walking ammo dump.

Satyr | 03-14-2009 09:34 PM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? I have seven 30rd mags for the AR and one 100rd drum mag. For my CZ 75 BD, I only have 4 mags. I also stopped in at the gun shop today and purchased a Walther P22 for some cheap pistol plinking. It comes with two 10rd mags and I purchased an extra (those little buggars are expensive!) I will continue to purchase mags when cash allows for it. I'm still more interested in ammo at this point.

Bogie | 03-16-2009 03:08 AM
Re: How Many Magazines is Enough? I am of the never have enough of them minimum 20 per Rifle 10 per Handgun, but then keep buying remember mag do ware out. Besides another ban could happen or who knows what I like to be well prepped.

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