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The Argent Dragon | 03-17-2009 04:50 PM
Ammo prices to rise yet again..... Sunday, March 15, 2009 DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Remanufacturers AND SO IT BEGINS... We all wondered when it was going to start--when the new administration would make their move against us as gun owners. Oh, everyone got upset about HR45--I'll bet I got over 100 e-mails warning me about this draconian gun registration bill that had been introduced in Congress. I was really glad to see Tom Gresham, host of "Gun Talk Radio," an editor, writer, television host on "Self-Defense TV," and one of the foremost gun spokespersons, come out and tell everyone to stop worrying about legislation so absolutely over-the-top--it would never get out of committee. Tom said save your energy for when we really need it--don't expend it trying to warn everyone in your e-mail list about legislation that would go nowhere. Now, Tom just interviewed me, and Larry Haynie, owner of Georgia Arms (http://www.georgia-arms.com/), on Gun Talk (http://www.guntalk.com/)--and Tom agrees, now is the time to "...unleash the hounds..." by which he means start e-mailing and writing your senators and congressmen. Now it has come clear...now we know what they intend to do. It is an end-run around Congress. They don't need to try to ban guns--they don't need to fight a massive battle to attempt gun registration, or limit "assault" weapon sales. Nope. All they have to do is limit the amount of ammunition available to the civilian market, and when bullets dry up, guns will be useless. Think we jest? Here are copies of two letters sent to Georgia Arms just Thursday evening--effectively cancelling a contract he had to purchase 30,000 pounds of expended military brass in .223, 7.62mm, and .50 caliber: Dear Valued Customer: Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency: Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case. Thank you, DOD Surplus 15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300 Scottsdale, AZ 85254 March 12, 2009 Larry Haynie Georgia Arms PO Box 238 Villa Rica, GA 30180 Re: Event 7084-6200: Dear Larry Haynie, Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government. If you do not agree with the new conditions of your spot sale, please sign the appropriate box provided below stating that you do not agree to the new terms and would like to cancel your purchase effective immediately. If you do agree to the new terms please sign in the appropriate box provided below to acknowledge your understanding and agreement with the new requirements relating to your purchase. Fax the signed document back to (480) 367-1450, emailed responses are not acceptable. Please respond to this request no later than close of business Monday, March 16th, 2009. Sincerely, Government Liquidation. Got that? From now on, remanufacturers of military brass will not be able to buy surplus brass from DOD--actually from Government Liquidators, llc.--the corporation that sells surplus materials for the U.S. government. At least, not in any form recognizable as once-fired brass ammunition. Now all brass ammunition will have to be shredded, and sold as scrap. Georgia Arms, who brought this to our attention, is the 5th largest ammunition manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition in the U.S. "We're right up there behind Hornady," Larry Haynie told me. He also told me with the cancellation of his contract to purchase this brass, and the ending of his ability to purchase any more expended military ammunition, he will have to severely curtail his operation--laying off approximately half his 60-person work force. Haynie further pointed out this move is a stupendous waste of taxpayer money--reducing the worth of the brass some 80%--from casings, to shredded bulk brass. He stated most of this will now go to foundries where it will be melted down, cast in shippable forms, and likely be sold to China, one of the largest purchasers of U.S. metals on the open market. Haynie was manufacturing over 1 million rounds of .223 ammunition every month, which he sold on the civilian market to resellers, and to law enforcement agencies across the country. He will start tomorrow sending cancellations of orders for .223 to law enforcement agencies all over the country. You can expect this to affect every bullet you purchase in the future--with no reloaded ammunition available, the already strained new manufacturers will be unable to meet demand. They are already turning out everything they can build for the military market. The civilian market is stressed to the point even reloading components have become hard to find. Now, with this hit, ammunition prices will go through the roof in the next year. Your quality piece, sitting in your gun rack, will become a very expensive wood and steel, or plastic and steel club. http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/d...-military.html

Abouthadit | 03-17-2009 05:13 PM
Re: Ammo prices to rise yet again..... There should be no more delustion about who calls the shots, and it AINT our so-called elected representatives, it is the executive branch bureaucraps. Cant vote those scumbags out. Welcome to how it's going to be with a NWO. No more sovereign nations, no more voting (as if...). All run by unelected a-holes just like in Brussels. Bye, bye Miss American Pie, and not it's not a requiem for Buddy Holly, it is for us. :s10:

renegade_01 | 03-17-2009 05:24 PM
Re: Ammo prices to rise yet again..... WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS AND WHERE DO THEY LIVE?:36_1_28:

TomD | 03-17-2009 05:33 PM
Re: Ammo prices to rise yet again..... Just one outrage after another from this group and they have a lot of time to make it much worse.

Ghost Recon | 03-17-2009 05:39 PM
Re: Ammo prices to rise yet again..... Wait till Obama cuts off all imports of ammo and firearms. He can do it by executive order. That day is coming. Ammo will sky rocket when that happens.

JJ_ | 03-17-2009 05:39 PM
Re: Ammo prices to rise yet again..... I think I just had an aneurism. This has got to stop.

meatman | 03-17-2009 06:06 PM
Re: Ammo prices to rise yet again..... No matter how much I hate Obama this has been in the making for a few years This policy had a genesis at least back in June, 2008. The proof is in a document found at the Defense Logistics Agency web site using a simple search. http://www.dla.mil Search for surplus brass demil, or DOD 4000.25-M, DLMS I just located another document, this a PowerPoint show. The presentation was done by Brian Helmlinger of URS Corporation. They are the number one company in the world dealing with hazardous materials. They are number ten on the list of Military-Friendly Employers, and number 32 on the list of defense contractors. Mr. Helmlinger�s presentation is �Material Potentially Presenting an Explosive Hazard: �Doing our homework�� found at, http://proceedings.ndia.org/JSEM2006...Helmlinger.pdf was done in 2006. The context is Material Potentially Presenting an Explosive Hazard (MPPEH). This contractor�s presentation called for shredding the brass. The equipment showed for this has been in use on major military installations since 2003.

meatman | 03-17-2009 06:12 PM
Re: Ammo prices to rise yet again..... http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/20...ar-ammunition/

Twisted Avatar | 03-17-2009 06:55 PM
Re: Ammo prices to rise yet again..... Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 1630857) Just one outrage after another from this group and they have a lot of time to make it much worse.
AND YET THERE ARE SOME WHO THINK ME A FOOL WHEN I SAY THIS IS GONNA END IN BULLETS AND GUNSMOKE. WE SHALL SOON SEE. T

The Argent Dragon | 03-18-2009 09:53 AM
Re: Ammo prices to rise yet again..... Feds undercut civilian supply of ammunition Policy leaves manufacturers without brass for cartridges Posted: March 17, 2009 9:00 pm Eastern By Drew Zahn � 2009 WorldNetDaily http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images/...firedbrass.jpg Fired brass shell casings A recent government policy change has taken a bite out of the nation's already stressed ammunition supply, leaving arms dealers scrambling to find ammo for private gun owners. Georgia Arms is a company that for the last 15 years has been purchasing fired brass shell casings from the Department of Defense and private government surplus liquidators. The military collects the discarded casings from fired rounds, then sells them through liquidators to companies like Georgia Arms that remanufacture the casings into ammunition for the law enforcement and civilian gun owner communities. But earlier this month, Georgia Arms received a canceled order, informed by its supplier that the government now requires fired brass casings be mutilated, in other words, destroyed to a scrap metal state. The policy change, handed down from the Department of Defense through the Defense Logistics Agency, cuts a supply leg out from underneath ammunition manufacturers. Learn here why it's your right -- and duty -- to be armed. The policy has compelled Georgia Arms, for example, to cancel all sales of .223 and .308 ammunition, rounds used, respectively, in semi-automatic and deer hunting rifles, until further notice. Sharch Manufacturing, Inc. has announced the same cancellation of its .223 and .308 brass reloading components. "They just reclassified brass to allow destruction of it, based on what?" Georgia Arms owner Larry Haynie asked WND. "We've been 'going green' for the last dozen years, and brass is one of the most recyclable materials out there. A cartridge case can be used over and over again. And now we're going to destroy it based on what? We don't want the civilian public to have it? It's a government injustice." As WND reported, firearm sales have spiked since the election of a perceived anti-gun president, and Americans stockpiling bullets have produced a stressed ammunition market. The Orlando Sentinel reports months of steady, heavy buying have left gun dealers in Florida facing shortages of ammunition. "The survivalist in all of us comes out," John Ritz, manager of a Florida shooting range, told the Sentinel. "It's more about protecting what you have." "People are just stockpiling," said a spokeswoman for Georgia Arms, which has seen bullet sales jump 100 percent since the election. "A gun is just like a car. If you can't get gas, you can't use it." WND contacted the Defense Logistics Agency, the Department of Defense's largest combat support agency, several times seeking comment or explanation for the policy change but received none. The National Rifle Association confirmed to WND that the DLA had been instructed to require the scrapping of the brass casings but declined further comment at this time. Other gun advocates, however, have sounded off on the issue, eyeing the change in government policy with suspicion and filling the blogosphere with speculation that the effects of the policy change may be deliberate. "It is an end-run around Congress. They don't need to try to ban guns – they don't need to fight a massive battle to attempt gun registration, or limit 'assault' weapon sales," writes firearm instructor and author Gordon Hutchinson on his The Shootist blog. "Nope. All they have to do is limit the amount of ammunition available to the civilian market, and when bullets dry up, guns will be useless." A writer named Owen at the Boots & Sabers blog suspects the policy change is an effort by an anti-gun administration to raise the cost of ammunition. "This policy didn't come out of the blue," writes Owen. "The Commander in Chief is clearly sending a message to gun owners that they should be paying more for ammunition. If he can't do it through regulatory action, he'll do it by forcing ammunition manufacturers to spend more on production." Hutchinson reports Georgia Arms was manufacturing over 1 million rounds of .223 ammunition every month, but without the ability to purchase expended military ammunition, the company may be forced to lay off up to half its workforce. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=92095

Shoden | 03-18-2009 10:26 AM
Re: Ammo prices to rise yet again..... There's already a post on this issue here: http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=358166 And I posted an update on this issue yesterday in that thread that says: Quote:
Dear Loyal Customers, Thanks to your voice, DOD has rescinded the order to mutilate all spent cases as of 4:30 pm on 3/17/09. We appreciate the time and effort that you expended, together we all made a difference. We will be posting the email we received from DOD as well as any additional information within the next 12-16 hours. Thanks so much and lets get to work!!! Georgia Arms
Plus, it's got some quotes from other websites that contain additional information, but the good news is that they appear to have reversed this stupid decision.

Brent H | 03-18-2009 10:51 AM
Re: Ammo prices to rise yet again..... Policy reversed: http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread...=407504&page=3

The Argent Dragon | 03-18-2009 11:06 AM
Re: Ammo prices to rise yet again..... Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoden (Post 1631889) There's already a post on this issue here: http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=358166 And I posted an update on this issue yesterday in that thread that says: Plus, it's got some quotes from other websites that contain additional information, but the good news is that they appear to have reversed this stupid decision.
:36_1_34: ......Thanks I'm glad someone wised up. :coolbeer:

SilverCity | 03-18-2009 11:08 AM
Re: Ammo prices to rise yet again..... From Georgia Arms website: http://www.georgia-arms.com/ NOTICE!!! A hardy congratulation is due to our loyal customers, our good friends, and our fellow shooting enthusiasts through out this great nation! Due to the diligent and overwhelming effort of many thousands of you, calling, writing, and emailing our elected officials, DOD Surplus, LLC, has rescinded its prior directive that ALL small arms spent casings be mutilated rather than recycled. This was a huge victory for common sense and we would like to thank each and every person who made an effort and played a role in correcting this mistake. We at Georgia Arms are proud of everyone who took the time and had the courage to stand up for our rights. We believe, that by your outpouring of anger and dismay, you not only extended our liberty and freedoms but also took a stand for economic common sense in a time when we know our government should be trying to reduce costs at all levels rather than throwing money away for some politically correct reason or the other. Again, our hat is off to everyone who helped and thanks to God as well. We will roll up our sleeves and go back to work; we have 223’s and 308’s to build! (Below is a copy of the email we received from DOD on 3/17/09 @ 4:30pm) GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!!! (This was pertaining to an outstanding bid on a lot of brass that we won prior to the mutilation order. DOD sent us a bill for the brass after we had refused it due to the mutilation requirements. DOD on Monday sent us a bill for the brass and when we responded that we had already refused it due to the mutilation clause, we received this reply via email.) I am sorry you hadn’t been informed – Word came down that all shells 50 caliber or smaller CAN still be purchased without the mutilation requirement as long as kept in the US. (As it was in limbo, I did not sent your EUC to Battle Creek until today, also why I have not contacted you for payment until today.) Thanks! Arana K. Wolin Document Verification Supervisor Government Liquidation, LLC DOD Surplus, LLC 15051 N Kierland Blvd. #300 Scottsdale, AZ 85254

Twisted Avatar | 03-18-2009 11:30 AM
Re: Ammo prices to rise yet again..... Spam cans of 7.62x54 are drying up..... Almost any type of easy story bulk items are getting hard as sin to find. Sh!t is surreal. T

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