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platinumdude | 12-24-2008 12:06 PM
How soon to the ban? I need 3 to 6 months for my DS FAL to arrive.

Satyr | 12-24-2008 12:11 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? I'm thinking you're safe. I don't think our guns are at the very top of the Dem's agenda. I think they are likely to go after the ammo first. What good is a hammer without the nails?

Twisted Avatar | 12-24-2008 12:36 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? I agree. Ammo and "High cap" mags are in the cross hairs on this go round. T

platinumdude | 12-24-2008 12:39 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1480776) I agree. Ammo and "High cap" mags are in the cross hairs on this go round. T
Good, I actually had them ship out the mags now. and the rifle when it's ready.

Twisted Avatar | 12-24-2008 12:53 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1480778) Good, I actually had them ship out the mags now. and the rifle when it's ready.
Smart man....... The may soon come a time when 4 High cap mags 2 Boxes of Hollow point ammo 3 Rolls of SAE's Will fecth you a working farm.............. strange days has most definatley found us.

CoinHunter53562 | 12-24-2008 12:54 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? So will mags/ammo purchased before the ban date get grandfathered in?

Twisted Avatar | 12-24-2008 12:58 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by CoinHunter53562 (Post 1480801) So will mags/ammo purchased before the ban date get grandfathered in?
Most definatley..... But if they are not........ DO YOU PLAN ON GIVING UP YOURS?? If so please tell me so I can pick yours up with mines and drop them off to the LEO station PERSONALLY.:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

CoinHunter53562 | 12-24-2008 01:00 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1480804) Most definatley..... But if they are not........ DO YOU PLAN ON GIVING UP YOURS?? If so please tell me so I can pick yours up with mines and drop them off to the LEO station PERSONALLY.:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
Ha ha....nope, not without a fight or a lie. In fact the ammo I bought a half hour ago fell out of my truck on the way home. :bawling:

Twisted Avatar | 12-24-2008 01:36 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by CoinHunter53562 (Post 1480805) Ha ha....nope, not without a fight or a lie. In fact the ammo I bought a half hour ago fell out of my truck on the way home. :bawling:
A gypsy said the same thing is going to happen to me next week.!!! How unfortunate in advance!!:bawling::bawling:

Zusn | 12-24-2008 01:47 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by CoinHunter53562 (Post 1480805) Ha ha....nope, not without a fight or a lie. In fact the ammo I bought a half hour ago fell out of my truck on the way home. :bawling:
I remember driving down the freeway a few years ago. I saw a flatbed semi with a small load of 50 cal ammo cans on it. I was hoping some of those would fall off!

wallew | 12-24-2008 01:52 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Your 'tell tale markers' will be the comm stuff failing - intermittently at first. Then it will just 'go down' without a reason (hey all comms are down). The second step will be the loss of infrastructure services like electricity, gas, water, sewage, etc. They won't have to 'take' anything from anyone. They will just sit back and let us all starve in our homes without power, without food, without, without, without... You get the idea. At some point, most of the populace will be 'hung out to dry' and then will meekly surrender what little possesions they have left (including firearms) to be taken care of by the government. Anyone who is not gaunt or appears to be well fed, WILL be considered a home grown terrorist. At which point, the clean up in all the big cities will begin of all us home grown terrorists. You know, those of us who saw this coming and are prepared for it. Once the rest of the population has been dealt with, the remaining five or ten percent of us that are still viable will be wiped out, one pocket of resistance at a time. At least, that's how I WOULD DO IT if I was in charge of TPTB. Now, as to when? I suspect a 'false flag' incident within the first three months of BHO's installment (hell several of his people are broadcasting THEY expect BHO will be tested almost immediately). It will be worse than the last 9/11 and will no doubt trigger what will become a world wide depression, making the first depression seem like a picnic. Remember that after the last 9/11, the economy took a nose dive that took over three years to come out of. If the economy took a serious nose dive from where it is now? The DJIA would dip below 4000 and MOST people will have lost their lifes savings and their pension along with everything that goes along with that lifestyle. THAT'S when you know SHTF. It's comin, sooner rather than later, but it IS COMING.

platinumdude | 12-24-2008 01:57 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 1480875) Your 'tell tale markers' will be the comm stuff failing - intermittently at first. Then it will just 'go down' without a reason (hey all comms are down). The second step will be the loss of infrastructure services like electricity, gas, water, sewage, etc. They won't have to 'take' anything from anyone. They will just sit back and let us all starve in our homes without power, without food, without, without, without... You get the idea. At some point, most of the populace will be 'hung out to dry' and then will meekly surrender what little possesions they have left (including firearms) to be taken care of by the government. Anyone who is not gaunt or appears to be well fed, WILL be considered a home grown terrorist. At which point, the clean up in all the big cities will begin of all us home grown terrorists. You know, those of us who saw this coming and are prepared for it. Once the rest of the population has been dealt with, the remaining five or ten percent of us that are still viable will be wiped out, one pocket of resistance at a time. At least, that's how I WOULD DO IT if I was in charge of TPTB. Now, as to when? I suspect a 'false flag' incident within the first three months of BHO's installment (hell several of his people are broadcasting THEY expect BHO will be tested almost immediately). It will be worse than the last 9/11 and will no doubt trigger what will become a world wide depression, making the first depression seem like a picnic. Remember that after the last 9/11, the economy took a nose dive that took over three years to come out of. If the economy took a serious nose dive from where it is now? The DJIA would dip below 4000 and MOST people will have lost their lifes savings and their pension along with everything that goes along with that lifestyle. THAT'S when you know SHTF. It's comin, sooner rather than later, but it IS COMING.
After the Christmas rush I will be able to go to walmart again and up my food preps.

goldbugger | 12-24-2008 02:03 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? unless one saves receipts for ammo,how would the feds know when they were bought.same for magazines unless the ban would pertain to new magazine manufactures which would have serial numbers. when the collapse happens and martial law is declared,i am hopping on my boat in seattle and sailing to my island off british columbia north of vancouver and hunker down in my passive solar earth sheltered home with escape tunnels and stocked bunkers with my stainless berettas and mini 14s. will be pulling fresh salmon and dungeness crabs from the clean waters to feast on while watching the looting rioting mobs starving on tv.

CoinHunter53562 | 12-24-2008 02:08 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by goldbugger (Post 1480890) unless one saves receipts for ammo,how would the feds know when they were bought.same for magazines unless the ban would pertain to new magazine manufactures which would have serial numbers. when the collapse happens and martial law is declared,i am hopping on my boat in seattle and sailing to my island off british columbia north of vancouver and hunker down in my passive solar earth sheltered home with escape tunnels and stocked bunkers with my stainless berettas and mini 14s. will be pulling fresh salmon and dungeness crabs from the clean waters to feast on while watching the looting rioting mobs starving on tv.
Got room for two more people, 3 dogs, and 2 cats? :36_3_12:

Twisted Avatar | 12-24-2008 02:12 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by CoinHunter53562 (Post 1480900) Got room for two more people, 3 dogs, and 2 cats? :36_3_12:
And another freakout conpanion?:biggrin:

CoinHunter53562 | 12-24-2008 02:27 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Screw this...I am going out and buying more ammo, to replace what fell out of my truck earlier. I hope that doesnt happen again on the way home.

platinumdude | 12-24-2008 02:28 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? I alway buy my ammo with cash and show no ID.

CoinHunter53562 | 12-24-2008 05:59 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Well it happened again....dropped $100 on ammo and all of it fell out of the plastic shopping bad and into the snowbank. When it finally all melts in 4 months, it will probably be ruined and useless, so I still have none. :ok:

Twisted Avatar | 12-24-2008 06:33 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by CoinHunter53562 (Post 1481154) Well it happened again....dropped $100 on ammo and all of it fell out of the plastic shopping bad and into the snowbank. When it finally all melts in 4 months, it will probably be ruined and useless, so I still have none. :ok:
You should apply for Gubbermint TARP benifits to cover your loss

StrawMan=Corporation | 12-24-2008 06:52 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? I hope they are using Canvas, As it would last alot longer. LOL Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1481193) You should apply for Gubbermint TARP benifits to cover your loss

platinumdude | 12-25-2008 11:20 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1480800) Smart man....... The may soon come a time when 4 High cap mags 2 Boxes of Hollow point ammo 3 Rolls of SAE's Will fecth you a working farm.............. strange days has most definatley found us.
I doubt that, when things get bad, working farms will go up in value, and lot of them have kept their value so far.

moreair | 12-25-2008 12:10 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1481702) I doubt that, when things get bad, working farms will go up in value, and lot of them have kept their value so far.
I'm counting on real estate to crash like everything else, becuase no one will have jobs or inflated FRNs. This is when I swoop in and buy with silver. No loans, no debt. I would call this stagflation. Assets deflate and consumer goods inflate. This is when silver & gold are as..as...as.......as good as gold!:s1: I'll take my farm with 20 acres. 3-5 feild and the rest woods. Oh yea, it will also have a stream. And a gold mine:s9:

meatman | 12-25-2008 01:10 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Executive order Thats what he will do to start with ban all imported ammo that will dry up 5.45 since its all imported and rasie the cost of all other ammo that only a small portion is made in the USA. AK 47's mostly affected he does not need congress to do any Executive order's then his next Executive order will be banning ammo over a certain caliber.

meatman | 12-25-2008 01:15 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by moreair (Post 1481771) I'm counting on real estate to crash like everything else, becuase no one will have jobs or inflated FRNs. This is when I swoop in and buy with silver. No loans, no debt. I would call this stagflation. Assets deflate and consumer goods inflate. This is when silver & gold are as..as...as.......as good as gold!:s1: I'll take my farm with 20 acres. 3-5 feild and the rest woods. Oh yea, it will also have a stream. And a gold mine:s9:
like I have said before if it gets as bad as you want it to, to buy realestate with silver. your silver will be long gone before that happens on food and other things to survive. I hope you are debt free now because if your not your screwed because the banks own you.

AZLiberty | 12-26-2008 02:16 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? Guarantee the new "ugly gun" ban will be introduced within 48 hours of the new congress opening session. How long it will take to move on it is anyone's guess.

Twisted Avatar | 12-26-2008 07:12 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? Anything goes after Jan 20. ANYTHING. T

platinumdude | 12-26-2008 09:28 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by AZLiberty (Post 1482479) Guarantee the new "ugly gun" ban will be introduced within 48 hours of the new congress opening session. How long it will take to move on it is anyone's guess.
I was thinking of getting the match grade trigger, but figure keep it stock and It will be that much faster until I get it. Hopefully I make it in time.

Satyr | 12-26-2008 12:33 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1481702) I doubt that, when things get bad, working farms will go up in value, and lot of them have kept their value so far.
Not to mention the fact that most anyone with a working farm has their share of guns. Besides, if they get rid of their farm, they will have nothing to protect. Thus no need for firearms. And they won't be able to eat silver. At least not in the form of SAEs.

AceNZ | 12-26-2008 01:12 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by CoinHunter53562 (Post 1480801) So will mags/ammo purchased before the ban date get grandfathered in?
IIRC, what they did in California was to make it illegal to use, transport or sell hi-cap magazines (except to certain authorized dealers). Same for the various banned weapons. Ownership was grandfathered in, but that's about it. "Transport" includes even things like moving your residence. So doing something that was once legal could easily put you in prison if you didn't know about the change in the laws. I had to sell all of my stuff before I moved out of the country, and it was actually quite a challenge to do so legally. Not pretty.

platinumdude | 12-26-2008 06:02 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? It's actually 20 to 24 weeks for delivery, 5 to 6 months. I may make it or not. But I have other rifles. I'm hoping they get bogged down with the economy and such. I don't think there is enough pro-gun in congress to filibuster.

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MOD1 | 12-26-2008 07:40 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Dunno. In many cases of the recent past it took some kind of public tragedy to act as a catalyst for onerous legislation. This time - not so - all bets are off. :bear_angry: Take care, Mod1

gangsta99 | 12-26-2008 07:45 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? I am hoping that Obama and crew do not get around to banning our firearms until after they handout the next round of payoffs, err I mean stimulus checks to the general sheeple. I hope to use mine like I did the last one, towards gun, brass, lead and gold.

Twisted Avatar | 12-26-2008 07:56 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by gangsta99 (Post 1483263) I am hoping that Obama and crew do not get around to banning our firearms until after they handout the next round of payoffs, err I mean stimulus checks to the general sheeple. I hope to use mine like I did the last one, towards gun, brass, lead and gold.
From your keyboard .......... to Gods ears. So it is T

platinumdude | 12-26-2008 08:51 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? I can't find anything official, but I see this across the internet. http://www.usacarry.com/forums/2nd-a...-2008-a-5.html "My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office. Within 90 days, we will go back after kitchen table dealers, and work to end the gun show and internet sales loopholes. In the first year, I intend to work with Congress on a national no carry law, 1 gun a month purchase limits, and bans on all semi-automatic guns." —Barack Obama, VPC Fund Raiser, 2007 Edit I found this, not sure if factcheck is to be trusted: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...ar_to_ban.html

latitude22 | 12-26-2008 10:57 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? My dealer is moving into a shop in 6 months so hopefully he wouldn't lose his FFL. 1 Gun per month, lol if it's a rolling average I'll be ok. I really don't think obama will do anything, I think he's going to have other things to worry about and the dems don't want another reason added to the long list of viable reasons they should kicked the hell out of the country.

platinumdude | 12-28-2008 04:50 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban The ten-year ban was passed by Congress on September 13, 1994 and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton the same day. So I guess if the house passes on a new bill, then I just get out there and pay the premium for a FAL, if my local store still has one, otherwise wait and hope for the cheaper online order.

Twisted Avatar | 12-28-2008 06:01 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by latitude22 (Post 1483464) My dealer is moving into a shop in 6 months so hopefully he wouldn't lose his FFL. 1 Gun per month, lol if it's a rolling average I'll be ok. I really don't think obama will do anything, I think he's going to have other things to worry about and the dems don't want another reason added to the long list of viable reasons they should kicked the hell out of the country.
But the saddest part about is...... you REALLY cant be sure. Anything and I do mean ANYTHING can happen. This just plain sucks the big one. T

platinumdude | 12-28-2008 10:57 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-6257 H.R. 6257: 110th Congress This is a bill in the U.S. Congress originating in the House of Representatives ("H.R."). A bill must be passed by both the House and Senate and then be signed by the President before it becomes law. Bill numbers restart from 1 every two years. Each two-year cycle is called a session of Congress. This bill was created in the 110th Congress, in 2007-2008. The titles of bills are written by the bill's sponsor and are a part of the legislation itself. GovTrack does not editorialize bill summaries. 2007-2008 Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008 This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Introduced bills and resolutions first go to committees that deliberate, investigate, and revise them before they go to general debate. The majority of bills and resolutions never make it out of committee. [Last Updated: Nov 6, 2008] Last Action: Jul 28, 2008: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security. Here are the list of the idiots who sponsored this bill (ALL REPUBLICANS) http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...0:HR06257:@@@P Sponsor Rep Kirk, Mark Steven [IL-10] (re-elected in 08) Co-Sponsors Rep Castle, Michael N. [DE] (re-elected in 08) Rep Ferguson, Mike [NJ-7] (Ferguson announced on November 19, 2007, that he will not run for re-election in 2008, stating that he wants to spend more time with his family) (GOOD RIDDANCE) Rep Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana [FL-18] (re-elected in 2008) Rep Shays, Christopher [CT-4] (Lost in 2008, GOOD RIDDANCE)

platinumdude | 12-29-2008 10:40 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a Congress plans for quick start Saturday, November 22, 2008 AP WASHINGTON -- Eager for a quick start, Democratic congressional leaders intend to begin work in early January on priority legislation so it can be ready for President-elect Barack Obama's signature shortly after he takes office, according to officials familiar with the plans. These officials said an economic aid measure, legislation to expand health care for lower-income children and a loosening of Bush administration rules covering federally funded embryonic stem cell research are among the bills at the center of discussions with Obama aides. All three issues have been the focus of battles between the Democrats in Congress and President George W. Bush, and early enactment of any would underscore the change ushered in by this month's election. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to disclose the plans. Story continues below Advertisement Meanwhile, John Podesta, a leader of Obama's transition team, told senior Democratic aides on Friday the incoming administration is making its Cabinet and sub-Cabinet selections faster than customary and hopes the nominees can be confirmed quickly. Democrats gained at least 20 House seats and at least seven Senate seats in the November elections, expanded majorities in place when the new Congress is sworn in on Jan 6. Under the Constitution, Obama takes the oath of office as the 44th president on Jan. 20. Customarily, the preinaugural period is slow in Congress as lawmakers await the swearing-in of a new president. They then spend weeks doing little more than confirming Cabinet secretaries and other officials. But Democrats now will have control of the White House and Congress for the first time since 1994, and officials in both branches of government are eager to begin work. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said at a news conference Friday the focus for the first week of Congress "will be to introduce a strong recovery package to create jobs, good paying jobs, in our country and to bring more confidence to the financial crisis - to turn around the financial crisis." A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., declined comment on plans for early legislation. But Obama said in the Democrat radio address Saturday he has asked his economic advisers to develop a plan that will create 2.5 million jobs by 2011 - "a plan big enough to meet the challenges we face that I intend to sign soon after taking office." To a large degree, Democratic plans to prepare legislation before Obama takes his oath depend on the cooperation of Senate Republicans. While the GOP lost seats, Republicans have enough strength to slow the routine housekeeping matters that must be settled out before committees can begin to work, as well as to impede the progress of legislation. Obama said he recognized that passing an economic aid plan will not be easy. "I will need and seek support from Republicans and Democrats, and Ill be welcome to ideas and suggestions from both sides of the aisle," he said on the radio. "But what is not negotiable is the need for immediate action." One stimulus bill was signed into law last winter, but Democratic efforts to pass a second have run into opposition from the Bush administration as well as congressional Republicans, who oppose provisions for federal spending on public works projects and other elements. The expansion of federally funded health care for lower income children was the subject of a bruising veto battle between Bush and the Democratic-controlled Congress in 2007. The president twice vetoed bills on the subject and was upheld each time. The administration said any such measures should put poor children fist, and contended the legislation did not. The embryonic stem cell issue has been an emotional one since the early days of the Bush administration, when the president established rules saying federal money could be used for research only on pre-existing lines of cells. Congress twice tried to overturn his policy; Bush's vetoes were upheld both times. Supporters say the legislation would allow federal dollars to be used on research that shows promise in treatment and even cures of numerous diseases. Critics say the research involves the destruction of human embryos, and oppose it on those grounds. They also say alternative forms of stem cell research show promise. "Destroying human life in the hopes of saving human life is not ethical," Bush said as he vetoed the second measure. Not all conservatives, or even all abortion opponents, agree with his position. As president, Obama could use his own authority to overturn Bush's executive order limiting the use of federal money for embryonic stem cell research. Enactment of legislation would be a stronger step, because no future president could undo it without a subsequent act of Congress. I hope one of their fast passes is not an AWB. if it's not then they will then spends weeks confirming the cabinet positions and so forth. Hopefully it slows them down enough for my order to get shipped out.

Twisted Avatar | 12-29-2008 11:59 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1487207) http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a Congress plans for quick start Saturday, November 22, 2008 AP WASHINGTON -- Eager for a quick start, Democratic congressional leaders intend to begin work in early January on priority legislation so it can be ready for President-elect Barack Obama's signature shortly after he takes office, according to officials familiar with the plans. These officials said an economic aid measure, legislation to expand health care for lower-income children and a loosening of Bush administration rules covering federally funded embryonic stem cell research are among the bills at the center of discussions with Obama aides. All three issues have been the focus of battles between the Democrats in Congress and President George W. Bush, and early enactment of any would underscore the change ushered in by this month's election. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to disclose the plans. Story continues below Advertisement Meanwhile, John Podesta, a leader of Obama's transition team, told senior Democratic aides on Friday the incoming administration is making its Cabinet and sub-Cabinet selections faster than customary and hopes the nominees can be confirmed quickly. Democrats gained at least 20 House seats and at least seven Senate seats in the November elections, expanded majorities in place when the new Congress is sworn in on Jan 6. Under the Constitution, Obama takes the oath of office as the 44th president on Jan. 20. Customarily, the preinaugural period is slow in Congress as lawmakers await the swearing-in of a new president. They then spend weeks doing little more than confirming Cabinet secretaries and other officials. But Democrats now will have control of the White House and Congress for the first time since 1994, and officials in both branches of government are eager to begin work. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said at a news conference Friday the focus for the first week of Congress "will be to introduce a strong recovery package to create jobs, good paying jobs, in our country and to bring more confidence to the financial crisis - to turn around the financial crisis." A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., declined comment on plans for early legislation. But Obama said in the Democrat radio address Saturday he has asked his economic advisers to develop a plan that will create 2.5 million jobs by 2011 - "a plan big enough to meet the challenges we face that I intend to sign soon after taking office." To a large degree, Democratic plans to prepare legislation before Obama takes his oath depend on the cooperation of Senate Republicans. While the GOP lost seats, Republicans have enough strength to slow the routine housekeeping matters that must be settled out before committees can begin to work, as well as to impede the progress of legislation. Obama said he recognized that passing an economic aid plan will not be easy. "I will need and seek support from Republicans and Democrats, and Ill be welcome to ideas and suggestions from both sides of the aisle," he said on the radio. "But what is not negotiable is the need for immediate action." One stimulus bill was signed into law last winter, but Democratic efforts to pass a second have run into opposition from the Bush administration as well as congressional Republicans, who oppose provisions for federal spending on public works projects and other elements. The expansion of federally funded health care for lower income children was the subject of a bruising veto battle between Bush and the Democratic-controlled Congress in 2007. The president twice vetoed bills on the subject and was upheld each time. The administration said any such measures should put poor children fist, and contended the legislation did not. The embryonic stem cell issue has been an emotional one since the early days of the Bush administration, when the president established rules saying federal money could be used for research only on pre-existing lines of cells. Congress twice tried to overturn his policy; Bush's vetoes were upheld both times. Supporters say the legislation would allow federal dollars to be used on research that shows promise in treatment and even cures of numerous diseases. Critics say the research involves the destruction of human embryos, and oppose it on those grounds. They also say alternative forms of stem cell research show promise. "Destroying human life in the hopes of saving human life is not ethical," Bush said as he vetoed the second measure. Not all conservatives, or even all abortion opponents, agree with his position. As president, Obama could use his own authority to overturn Bush's executive order limiting the use of federal money for embryonic stem cell research. Enactment of legislation would be a stronger step, because no future president could undo it without a subsequent act of Congress. I hope one of their fast passes is not an AWB. if it's not then they will then spends weeks confirming the cabinet positions and so forth. Hopefully it slows them down enough for my order to get shipped out.
The first 100 days will be a "love affair" and if he is smart he will ram through some of the MOST CONTROVERSIONAL LEGISLATION FIRST . I know I would. T

FireMattMillen | 12-30-2008 12:03 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1487207) http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a Congress plans for quick start Saturday, November 22, 2008 AP WASHINGTON -- Eager for a quick start, Democratic congressional leaders intend to begin work in early January on priority legislation so it can be ready for President-elect Barack Obama's signature shortly after he takes office, according to officials familiar with the plans. These officials said an economic aid measure, legislation to expand health care for lower-income children and a loosening of Bush administration rules covering federally funded embryonic stem cell research are among the bills at the center of discussions with Obama aides. All three issues have been the focus of battles between the Democrats in Congress and President George W. Bush, and early enactment of any would underscore the change ushered in by this month's election. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to disclose the plans. Story continues below Advertisement Meanwhile, John Podesta, a leader of Obama's transition team, told senior Democratic aides on Friday the incoming administration is making its Cabinet and sub-Cabinet selections faster than customary and hopes the nominees can be confirmed quickly. Democrats gained at least 20 House seats and at least seven Senate seats in the November elections, expanded majorities in place when the new Congress is sworn in on Jan 6. Under the Constitution, Obama takes the oath of office as the 44th president on Jan. 20. Customarily, the preinaugural period is slow in Congress as lawmakers await the swearing-in of a new president. They then spend weeks doing little more than confirming Cabinet secretaries and other officials. But Democrats now will have control of the White House and Congress for the first time since 1994, and officials in both branches of government are eager to begin work. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said at a news conference Friday the focus for the first week of Congress "will be to introduce a strong recovery package to create jobs, good paying jobs, in our country and to bring more confidence to the financial crisis - to turn around the financial crisis." A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., declined comment on plans for early legislation. But Obama said in the Democrat radio address Saturday he has asked his economic advisers to develop a plan that will create 2.5 million jobs by 2011 - "a plan big enough to meet the challenges we face that I intend to sign soon after taking office." To a large degree, Democratic plans to prepare legislation before Obama takes his oath depend on the cooperation of Senate Republicans. While the GOP lost seats, Republicans have enough strength to slow the routine housekeeping matters that must be settled out before committees can begin to work, as well as to impede the progress of legislation. Obama said he recognized that passing an economic aid plan will not be easy. "I will need and seek support from Republicans and Democrats, and Ill be welcome to ideas and suggestions from both sides of the aisle," he said on the radio. "But what is not negotiable is the need for immediate action." One stimulus bill was signed into law last winter, but Democratic efforts to pass a second have run into opposition from the Bush administration as well as congressional Republicans, who oppose provisions for federal spending on public works projects and other elements. The expansion of federally funded health care for lower income children was the subject of a bruising veto battle between Bush and the Democratic-controlled Congress in 2007. The president twice vetoed bills on the subject and was upheld each time. The administration said any such measures should put poor children fist, and contended the legislation did not. The embryonic stem cell issue has been an emotional one since the early days of the Bush administration, when the president established rules saying federal money could be used for research only on pre-existing lines of cells. Congress twice tried to overturn his policy; Bush's vetoes were upheld both times. Supporters say the legislation would allow federal dollars to be used on research that shows promise in treatment and even cures of numerous diseases. Critics say the research involves the destruction of human embryos, and oppose it on those grounds. They also say alternative forms of stem cell research show promise. "Destroying human life in the hopes of saving human life is not ethical," Bush said as he vetoed the second measure. Not all conservatives, or even all abortion opponents, agree with his position. As president, Obama could use his own authority to overturn Bush's executive order limiting the use of federal money for embryonic stem cell research. Enactment of legislation would be a stronger step, because no future president could undo it without a subsequent act of Congress. I hope one of their fast passes is not an AWB. if it's not then they will then spends weeks confirming the cabinet positions and so forth. Hopefully it slows them down enough for my order to get shipped out.
The first action won't be an AWB. It will be spending your tax dollars on abortions and embryonic stem cell research. The AWB comes after economic collapse or terrorist attack.

platinumdude | 12-31-2008 03:27 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Well, I couldn't stand it. I found the same gun in stock at a higher price, but at least I will have it before any swearing in. Also I won't have to fret about it for 6 months or less.

Squirrel Bait | 12-31-2008 03:37 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by FireMattMillen (Post 1487296) The AWB comes after economic collapse or terrorist attack.
I could see an AWB after an economic collapse but I don't think you will after a terrorist attack. I think there will be more of a call for people to be able to protect themselves should that happen. s

platinumdude | 01-01-2009 02:03 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? GUNS Rights Watch http://www.gunsmagazine.com/DGR0309.html

silverbullet | 01-01-2009 09:17 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? Buddy of mine got a gift certificate for a local gun shop for Christmas. He's always wanted an AK, and figured he'd better get one now, and not risk waiting. Seems like he already waited too long...at least at that shop. They always have hundreds of guns, just about anything you could want. Owner says no AK's, no AR's, no SKS's...nothing "fun". And he doesn't expect to be able to get any in the forseeable future. He's been wiped out in the last month or so. Still has racks full of pumps and bolt actions, all kinds of hunting stuff. Not a semi to be found. He used the gift certificate to fill some voids in his ammo shelf...

Twisted Avatar | 01-01-2009 09:28 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 1489549) I could see an AWB after an economic collapse but I don't think you will after a terrorist attack. I think there will be more of a call for people to be able to protect themselves should that happen. s
That is a EXCELLENT distiction you made and I must fully concur. If there is a economic collapse the sheep will be still be simple minded enough to follow orders given like that. They will still believe the illusion Gubbermint is gonna make it all better. But If there is another 9/11 or something bigger......... they wont be a fool in all the land to give up so much as a dam plastic butter knife. T

gypsybiker45 | 01-01-2009 10:18 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by FireMattMillen (Post 1487296) The first action won't be an AWB. It will be spending your tax dollars on abortions and embryonic stem cell research. The AWB comes after economic collapse or terrorist attack.
I agree 100%, the last ban produced a large Militia movement, a FF attack(read Mexican immigrant revolt) or economic collapse they will have no resistance getting it through along with expanded police/military powers in the same bill.The FF event will not be bombings or crashing planes,more like riots or outright revolts.

Maddie | 01-01-2009 11:29 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? I think he's going to move against firearms and ammo pretty quickly. It probably won't be the first thing he does, but I'll bet he acts on it within the first three or four months of office. He knows it's not going to be a popular move, and he knows we know it's coming. Why give us time to make a lot of noise about it? Why wait until he's been in office long enough that the honeymoon is over and people start questioning what he says or does?

markt | 01-01-2009 12:18 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Obama's cabinet picks have surprised many people. His picks are not all left-wing liberals. This shows that there is a practical side to the man. Spending all of his political capital on an attempted gun/ammo ban would not be practical. With the economy falling apart at the beginning of his term, he has bigger fish to fry. And since the democrats don't have a filbuster-proof majority, any bill to do so is unlikely to ever advance to his desk to sign. The worst to happen MAY be a significant tightening of the rules concerning ammo purchases. Such as banning the importation of ammo. Like as in 7.62x39. He could sell that by promoting American-made ammo in the name of safety.

platinumdude | 01-01-2009 02:11 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by markt (Post 1490516) Obama's cabinet picks have surprised many people. His picks are not all left-wing liberals. This shows that there is a practical side to the man. Spending all of his political capital on an attempted gun/ammo ban would not be practical. With the economy falling apart at the beginning of his term, he has bigger fish to fry. And since the democrats don't have a filbuster-proof majority, any bill to do so is unlikely to ever advance to his desk to sign. The worst to happen MAY be a significant tightening of the rules concerning ammo purchases. Such as banning the importation of ammo. Like as in 7.62x39. He could sell that by promoting American-made ammo in the name of safety.
Unfortunately the latest AWB bill they are working on is sponsored by 4 republicans.

platinumdude | 01-11-2009 08:54 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Text size: increase text sizedecrease text size Illinois governor's pick for Senate carries no-nonsense reputation Burris also made headlines in 1994 when it was revealed that while he advocated gun control and promoted a gun turn-in program, he was keeping a gun in his home. "It's a little, small thing," he said of the gun. "I just have it there for safety. If I ban them, I'm going to be the first one to burn mine." He later gave up the weapon. What another idiot we have in the senate.

Walter Mitty | 01-11-2009 09:20 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? I could be wrong but I think the last thing Obama is going to want to do is get in a big "fight" with the electorate right away. Look at all the problems He is facing. 1.2 million jobs lost in Nov-Dec. The economy going from a recession to a depression. GE, GM, Ford ,Chrysler all on the brink. JP Morgan and their derivative exposure. 4-5 States in financial trouble. Now add on to all that the fire storm that will be ignited if they try to push a New Gun Ban through. It took Clinton 2 years and the recession Clinton faced when He took office was a walk in the park compared to what is going on now. Just my .02.

platinumdude | 01-14-2009 09:28 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/7585

The Argent Dragon | 01-14-2009 10:15 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by CoinHunter53562 (Post 1480805) Ha ha....nope, not without a fight or a lie. In fact the ammo I bought a half hour ago fell out of my truck on the way home. :bawling:
Wow.......a similar thing happened to me - I was fishing and forgot my ammo was in my coat and -SPLASH- ........down to the bottom of the lake. :bawling:

StrawMan=Corporation | 01-14-2009 10:28 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? So your not using the federally mandated ammo Life Preservers ? Save the precious ammo. Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1512614) Wow.......a similar thing happened to me - I was fishing and forgot my ammo was in my coat and -SPLASH- ........down to the bottom of the lake. :bawling:

The Argent Dragon | 01-14-2009 10:34 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by StrawMan=Corporation (Post 1512627) So your not using the federally mandated ammo Life Preservers ?
OMG ~ does this mean I'll get a call from the EPA ? .......and you'd think I'd learn after my boating accident last month and loosing my firearms with my sinking boat as a result. :banghead: :rofl:

StrawMan=Corporation | 01-14-2009 11:11 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Well there is the saying ya cant teach a old dog new tricks. Whoda thunk... On another topic but still firearm related I need to get a handgun that will knock a 500 Lb black bear off its feet. Its 2 Am this morning and the dog is going nuts, Wife looks out and sees a bear near a area we call the goat / cow pen. She wakes me up and I go into tactical mode, Pulling my 45 auto Para Ordnance from its hidey hole. I flash out the door and progress to empty the magazine into the bear. That sucker had a motor on him he must have been up to 30 mph in 3 seconds. I looked around for him but no sign of him. Maybe I missed... Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1512639) OMG ~ does this mean I'll get a call from the EPA ? .......and you'd think I'd learn after my boating accident last month and loosing my firearms with my sinking boat as a result. :banghead: :rofl:

The Argent Dragon | 01-14-2009 11:39 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by StrawMan=Corporation (Post 1512685) On another topic but still firearm related I need to get a handgun that will knock a 500 Lb black bear off its feet.
http://www.nrafoundation.org/friends...041-detail.jpg Smith & Wesson 460XVR Revolver .460 SW Magnum Hailed as the industry's fastest shooting pistol, the Smith & Wesson .460 Magnum includes an 8.4-inch barrel with interchangeable compensators for superior performance. The extra-large frame and Hi-VIZ� green-dot front sight ensure accuracy while delivering over 2,300 feet per second muzzle velocity. The custom designed embellishment by Baron's depicts an eagle and American flag and is located on the side of the stainless frame. Each revolver is stamped with sequential numbering.

StrawMan=Corporation | 01-14-2009 11:51 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? How much ? How hard is ammo to find ? This will make me reload I have a feeling. I saw a .500 1911 that was in the area of 3000.00 http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/model1_50gi.shtml http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/...un_1_500_b.jpg Yikes spendy lil sob. Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon;151271 1 http://www.nrafoundation.org/friends...041-detail.jpg Smith & Wesson 460XVR Revolver .460 SW Magnum Hailed as the industry's fastest shooting pistol, the Smith & Wesson .460 Magnum includes an 8.4-inch barrel with interchangeable compensators for superior performance. The extra-large frame and Hi-VIZ� green-dot front sight ensure accuracy while delivering over 2,300 feet per second muzzle velocity. The custom designed embellishment by Baron's depicts an eagle and American flag and is located on the side of the stainless frame. Each revolver is stamped with sequential numbering.

The Argent Dragon | 01-14-2009 11:58 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by StrawMan=Corporation (Post 1512724) How much ? How hard is ammo to find ?
Revolver runs around $1000..........here's a place for $979.00 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...reviews_id/461 I shot a Magnum Research 460 BFR and BOY does that thing KICK !!! There's was no compensator on the M.R. revolver. Oh and it's about $1.25 per round for Hornady. http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...ol-ammo-460-sw But you're tryin' to stop a BEAR, right ?!? :bear_tongue:

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The Argent Dragon | 01-15-2009 12:01 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? Check this sh*t out !!! .......WHOA ~ now I know why that .460 almost blew out of my hands. http://ammoguide.com/gfx/web/460-308bct.gif (sorry the other chart didn't post right - just click the link below) http://ammoguide.com/?tool=bcompare&it=30|239|144|193|143|221|389|92 http://ammoguide.com/gfx/web/460-308.gif

StrawMan=Corporation | 01-15-2009 12:10 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? Well I'm at least going to get a 44 Mag either a SW or Ruger. I have a Para Ordnance 1445 in stainless steel. But that sucker just didn't cut it. Living in a rural area can be scary at times. I checked this afternoon but didn't see a blood trail or anything. Maybe I missed him with all of the rounds I fired. I'm going to purchase a Marlin or Winchester lever action in 44 mag real soon. I always wanted one of those along with the SW 629 Classic Hunter 44 Mag. Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1512728) Check this sh*t out !!! .......WHOA ~ now I know why that .460 almost blew out of my hands. http://ammoguide.com/gfx/web/460-308bct.gif (sorry the other chart didn't post right - just click the link below) http://ammoguide.com/?tool=bcompare&it=30|239|144|193|143|221|389|92 http://ammoguide.com/gfx/web/460-308.gif

CoinHunter53562 | 01-15-2009 12:37 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1512639) OMG ~ does this mean I'll get a call from the EPA ? .......and you'd think I'd learn after my boating accident last month and loosing my firearms with my sinking boat as a result. :banghead: :rofl:
You had a boating accident too? Damm there's alot of that happening here. It must be a GIM curse or something. I lost all of my PM's yesterday in a tragic boating accident. You would think that it wouldnt crack through the ice when it's -10 degrees but they fell out and right through the ice. :thumpdown

The Argent Dragon | 01-15-2009 12:39 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by StrawMan=Corporation (Post 1512736) Well I'm at least going to get a 44 Mag either a SW or Ruger.
Hey, from experience with revolvers - stick with RUGER ! I luv my Blackhawk and it doesn't beat you up during shooting sessions. If you like double-action guns then seek out a Ruger Redhawk. JMHO ~ cheers, AD :coolbeer:

The Argent Dragon | 01-15-2009 12:44 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by CoinHunter53562 (Post 1512756) I lost all of my PM's yesterday in a tragic boating accident.
Sorry dude.......that does suck.......guess we'll need to switch to flying or some other type of recreation. :wink:

platinumdude | 01-15-2009 10:37 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-court-ruling/ Holder: Gun control options 'narrowed' after high court ruling Posted: 03:40 PM ET Eric Holder was asked about a recent Supreme Court gun rights case during his confirmation hearing Thursday. Eric Holder was asked about a recent Supreme Court gun rights case during his confirmation hearing Thursday. WASHINGTON (CNN) � Attorney General-designate Eric Holder conceded during his confirmation hearing Thursday that the government's options for regulating the possession of firearms have been narrowed in the wake of the Supreme Court's 2008 ruling that the Second Amendment ensures an individual right to bear arms. "Reasonable restrictions are still possible," Holder said, including measures such as a ban on the sale of what are called "cop-killer" bullets. But, he granted, "we're living in a different world" since the high court's 5-4 ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller. Holder said that he previously viewed the Second Amendment as a "collective right" to bear arms, not an individual right. The Heller ruling, Holder said, was a "very significant opinion."

Ag_man | 01-16-2009 08:42 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1512763) Sorry dude.......that does suck.......guess we'll need to switch to flying or some other type of recreation. :wink:
Remind me to never go boating with you guys! :wink:

Abouthadit | 01-16-2009 10:01 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1489532) Well, I couldn't stand it. I found the same gun in stock at a higher price, but at least I will have it before any swearing in. Also I won't have to fret about it for 6 months or less.
a bird in the hand...... good move. :coolbeer:

platinumdude | 01-16-2009 04:55 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by Abouthadit (Post 1514751) a bird in the hand...... good move. :coolbeer:
It arrives on Monday, not a moment too soon. My inauguration present to myself.

Twisted Avatar | 01-16-2009 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1514305) Holder said that he previously viewed the Second Amendment as a "collective right" to bear arms, not an individual right.
I would pistolwhip the sheet out of him right across the face and bust out every tooth in that lying mouth of his. Bastard.

platinumdude | 01-17-2009 11:52 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,2697505.story She (Dianne Feinstein ) would like to resurrect the federal assault weapons ban she regards as one of her proudest achievements. The ban expired in 2004, when Republicans controlled Congress. But such an effort could put Obama and Democratic leaders in a difficult spot, given their efforts to appeal to a broader swath of voters. During his campaign, Obama largely shied away from the gun debate.

StrawMan=Corporation | 01-17-2009 04:46 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? WOW how shocked I am that comments aren't allowed. Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1516142) http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,2697505.story She (Dianne Feinstein ) would like to resurrect the federal assault weapons ban she regards as one of her proudest achievements. The ban expired in 2004, when Republicans controlled Congress. But such an effort could put Obama and Democratic leaders in a difficult spot, given their efforts to appeal to a broader swath of voters. During his campaign, Obama largely shied away from the gun debate.

flying | 01-17-2009 05:08 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1515267) It arrives on Monday, not a moment too soon. My inauguration present to myself.
Congrats I have 2 inauguration gifts coming next week too:coolbeer:

Lt Dan | 01-17-2009 08:22 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Why does the thought keep coming to me, "Executive Order?" Does he really need to ask permission?

platinumdude | 01-20-2009 10:17 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by flying (Post 1516444) Congrats I have 2 inauguration gifts coming next week too:coolbeer:
Thanks. My FAL arrived today. Just a minor scratch on it, not going to worry about. Will break it apart, examine the barrel and then test shoot. May do that barrel break-in procedure, fire a shot and clean it. Maybe I can use a bore snake cloth to do the wipes. Anyways it feels good to have it now before any type of bans. :565:

platinumdude | 01-20-2009 10:19 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Oh they moved their gun agenda to whitehouse.gov http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/

Miss Kitty | 01-20-2009 10:31 PM
Re: How soon to the ban? Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent. That didnt take long....MissKitty

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot | 01-21-2009 01:24 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? We should all support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent. :565::yippee:

goldgun | 01-21-2009 01:36 AM
Re: How soon to the ban? Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Kitty (Post 1522021) Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent. That didnt take long....MissKitty
Maybe we should childproof the Presidency.

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