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shinylid | 12-23-2008 07:03 PM
What to do? I took a gander at some shotguns today at Wallyworld. One was a Remington 870, the other a Mossberg Maverick. The Mossberg was $177. Any good or bad things to be said about either one? What I'm looking for is something for home protection, but at the same time I want something I can hunt with(deer and hog). I'm shopping around the $300-$350 range, but the cheaper the gun the more ammo or the closer I am to my next gun.

Libertarian_Guard | 12-23-2008 07:51 PM
Re: What to do? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1479697) Do either the police or military use Mossberg Mavericks???
Good point! You'll get what you pay for.

igorthesmall | 12-23-2008 07:53 PM
Re: What to do? Mossberg Mavericks are great guns. Whether the police or military use them shouldnt matter much. Do the police use their duty weapons to hunt deer and hogs? For the record, I have heard that some small departments do use them.

Ag_man | 12-23-2008 08:40 PM
Re: What to do? Quote:
Originally Posted by shinylid (Post 1479672) I took a gander at some shotguns today at Wallyworld. One was a Remington 870, the other a Mossberg Maverick. The Mossberg was $177. Any good or bad things to be said about either one? What I'm looking for is something for home protection, but at the same time I want something I can hunt with(deer and hog). I'm shopping around the $300-$350 range, but the cheaper the gun the more ammo or the closer I am to my next gun.
What was the 870 selling for and was it the Express model? I believe both the 870 Express and the Mossy Maverick are made offshore (China or the Phillipines). If your looking for a shotgun for both home defense and hunting, you should look for a package deal; a shotgun that has both 18.5" and 26"+ barrels.

EE_ | 12-23-2008 08:51 PM
Re: What to do? Don't forget Remington has a $30 rebate on the Express until the end of the month. http://www.remington.com/pdfs/promo_coupon.pdf

graspAU | 12-23-2008 09:08 PM
Re: What to do? Here is some information: http://forums.officer.com/forums/arc...p/t-57488.html http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...7183237AAdJS2G I like the 870's.

Agamemnon | 12-23-2008 09:40 PM
Re: What to do? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1479878) Something to bear in mind: Cops who find themselves using substandard shotties such as either a Mossberg 500 or a ...
I have the sneaking suspicion you've never handled a Mossberg 500 ... A lot of people like the Remington 870 for a good pump-action defense shotgun. I am not one of them. This article explains why. My reasons for disliking the Remington 870 may not apply to you -- as in all my articles, my theme is that if it fits your particular person, then you should go with it! But in my opinion, there are some good, objective reasons for not selecting the Remington 870. http://members.tripod.com/~jth8260/870.html Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1479878) No Stupid Zone.
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Agamemnon | 12-23-2008 09:57 PM
Re: What to do? Thanks for that very, very important advice .... Now back to the Mossy 500 ! You Tube
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Check out the position of the slide release and safety. Also notice the cartridge elevator always in the "up" position, unlike the 870 down in the way for reloading. And there's two shell extractors in that shotgun. .

Agamemnon | 12-23-2008 10:06 PM
Re: What to do? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1479943) How do those Mossys do when they're short stroked???
It beats the 870 on that because the elevator drops AFTER the slide is in the furthest rear position. A double stack is just about impossible. Just because the price is cheap doesn't mean the shotgun is "substandard". Buy two if you need to burn the FRNs. .

mtnman | 12-23-2008 10:26 PM
Re: What to do? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1479838) When your life or the lives of those around you depend upon it, relying on anything less than 'mil-spec' is just downright derelict and irresponsible.
Just remember, in the military your weapon was designed and built by the LOWEST bidder.

mtnman | 12-23-2008 10:33 PM
Re: What to do? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1479878) Something to bear in mind: Cops who find themselves using substandard shotties such as either a Mossberg 500 or a Maverick (not to single those two out, there are others) have mil-spec sidearms as well as plenty of back-up from other units/agencies when they get themselves caught up in a storm. Plus they have a whole lot more training than non-cops (aka 'civilians') which would generally preclude them from over-extending themselves into untenable circumstances, i.e. being stupid in a No Stupid Zone.
I don't mean to pick on you, but you put too much faith in the training most cops have retained. Police officers are not known to be the most intelligent people out there.

shinylid | 12-24-2008 07:56 AM
Re: What to do? Quote:
Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1479812) What was the 870 selling for and was it the Express model? I believe both the 870 Express and the Mossy Maverick are made offshore (China or the Phillipines). If your looking for a shotgun for both home defense and hunting, you should look for a package deal; a shotgun that has both 18.5" and 26"+ barrels.
I am unsure what they were asking for the 870, but I'm thinking it was about $270 or .....and it may have been an express. Can I buy different barrels for either Mossbergs or the 870? I like that idea of having the barrels to switch out. On the Maverick, what are some of the faults that would prevent some of you from buying it- like is there a specific problems associated with the model. At this point I am still lacking a pistol of decent caliber and quality, so really all I have is a 12g double barrel. I NEED a decent firearm.

TomD | 12-24-2008 08:07 AM
Re: What to do? Quote:
Originally Posted by TechGuy (Post 1479702) Wow... you found a wally world that still sells weapons?
The local one here in the Florida panhandle does.

meatman | 12-24-2008 08:16 AM
Re: What to do? http://meatman.smugmug.com/photos/442083890_YVRjN-L.jpg The Self-Loading Police Shotgun guarantees soft recoil and reliability of a gas-operated autoloading action. This shotgun has also the exclusive speed loading feature made popular by John M. Browning's famous Auto-5. :565:

Lt Dan | 12-24-2008 08:31 AM
Re: What to do? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1480026) Oh, I totally agree with ya, but my point is that generally there has been some training, and that *some* of that is retained, generally. As for intelligence, it appears to me that PDs don't have IQ as a criteria, and that room temp IQ and being able to tie their shoes is sufficient. What PDs are looking for is subjects who will obediently follow orders in a uniform way, consistently.
:111::111::111: There are exceptions, of course, but :36_1_25: in general, I have to agree. I have several friends who are or were LEOs, sometimes I think some I've known - well, their shoe size exceeded their IQ. But then, you run into that in about all professions.

Lars Ragnarsson | 12-24-2008 11:27 AM
Re: What to do? Quote:
Originally Posted by shinylid (Post 1480420) I am unsure what they were asking for the 870, but I'm thinking it was about $270 or .....and it may have been an express. Can I buy different barrels for either Mossbergs or the 870? I like that idea of having the barrels to switch out. On the Maverick, what are some of the faults that would prevent some of you from buying it- like is there a specific problems associated with the model. At this point I am still lacking a pistol of decent caliber and quality, so really all I have is a 12g double barrel. I NEED a decent firearm.
The Maverick barrels are interchangeable with Mossberg 500 barrels of the same gauge. I'll provide a link to the Maverick site at the end to give you an idea about options and pricing. You should be able to find one online or at a sporting goods store, like Cabela's, etc. They make additional barrels for the 870 as well. With both models, just make sure any additional barrel will fit the model you've got. As for what to do, I've got a Maverick, a Mossberg Persuader, and a 870 Police version (that one's on the way). To me, if Mossberg is willing to put its name on the brand, it's probably not a piece of crap. But that's just my opinion. For a little more than the price of the 870 (and you're most likely looking at an Express for that money) you can probably pick up a Maverick with an extra barrel. One more option - check out impact guns, Gunbroker.com, and other sporting goods places that sell guns. You may be able to pick up a Mossberg 2-in-1 or 3-in-1, where you get the gun and an extra barrel or two for a pretty reasonable price. Good luck! http://www.maverickarms.com/pages/barrels.htm

shinylid | 12-24-2008 01:50 PM
Re: What to do? I was looking at this one http://www.impactguns.com/store/015813514828.html -thanks for the link btw. How many shots will it hold? I was also looking at the Mariner- 9 shots!!! Guess if I went with the Mariner it would cost me, but always could just buy an extra barrel? I read about the 590 having the factory alteration to prevent changing it to hold more rounds- does Mossberg do anything like that? Might be more cost effective to just buy the cheaper mossberg like in the link I just posted and just add the part that would make it hold more? What is that part called btw?

wallew | 12-24-2008 01:59 PM
Re: What to do? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1479936) Frankly, there are only three pump action shotguns I would rely on enough not to carry a good pistol as a back-up, and all are John Browning designs - the 1897, the Model 12, and the Model 37 (originally the 1917 Remington). Other than that I'm leery of shotguns without having a good back-up sidearm.
What HE said. Mod 1897 and Mod 12 do NOT have trigger disconnects by design, meaning you can pull the trigger and hold it back while you cycle all five rounds through the chamber. I can 'name that tune' in 3 seconds or less.

californiaprospector | 12-24-2008 04:44 PM
Re: What to do? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1479838) anything less than 'mil-spec'... ...a mil-spec semi-auto pistol
The F-22 Craptor is "mil-spec." :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

californiaprospector | 12-24-2008 08:18 PM
Re: What to do? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1481279) Fixed it for ya.
Same difference. Like the Mountain Man said, mil-spec = made by the lowest bidder. And it's worse than that: lowest bidder making passable products at the lowest cost, NOT the best products at whatever the cost. If mil-spec meant quality, the standard US rifle would not be the M-16 nor the primary round the 5.56 cartridge. And if it meant quality, families of Iraq-deployed soldiers would not have had to fight to get them effective body armor to replace the mil-spec crap issued to them. I'm not trying to pick on you, SF, just pointing out that "mil-spec" is not synonymous with "quality" or "reliability."

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