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vector03 | 12-05-2008 11:22 AM
Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I need some help here. I've wanted to get a shotgun for the house. Been looking at the Remington 870 Tactical...I like the short barrel or the Saiga 12 because it's semi-auto. Anyway, every time I bring this up, my wife freaks out and tells me "there's no way I'll letting you bring a gun into this house." Someone, ANYONE, if you've had this issue and overcome, please chime in. I really want her to agree to this. She cares to know nothing of what's going on in the world and looks at me like I'm crazy when I talk about financial markets and where we're heading. "I told you so" isn't going to cut it after this debate is over. Thanks! PS: I searched but didn't really come up with anything.

FireMattMillen | 12-05-2008 11:26 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against In general, when the woman puts her foot down like that....nothing can be done. I wish I had something better.

Elvis | 12-05-2008 11:29 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Either require her to be the person who responds to an armed intruder and tell him that he's not bringing a gun into the house, or allow you to be the protector of the home in a manner that will give you a fair fight against an armed intruder. Showing her what the threat really is, and how she's throwing you to the wolves unarmed as you live up to your responsibility to protect your wife and your home may have a positive effect. http://www.spotcrime.com/ As for me, I married an armed woman...

Big_Rob | 12-05-2008 11:29 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Nothing you can really do if she doesn't want a gun in her house. I wouldnt use the SHTF approach, Id use the home protection angle and how the police cant be at your house when a criminal is pulling an home invasion robbery. Make sure you bring it up whenever theres a crime like that in your area.

Big_Rob | 12-05-2008 11:31 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by FireMattMillen (Post 1450998) In general, when the woman puts her foot down like that....nothing can be done. I wish I had something better.
LOL! Its like trying to talk your wife into having a three some with another woman. If shes not down with it, it aint gonna happen.

vector03 | 12-05-2008 11:32 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against One of her hang ups is, her shoulder was injured a while back and she's got limited range of motion. Wouldn't be able to hold a shotgun, but I was thinking of a small caliber handgun that would be fired with one hand for her. Maybe I should stage a break-in on my own house :4_8_4v::SLEEP::36_1_25: LOL

rogold | 12-05-2008 11:33 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against let her read this story... http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/no...ake-plea-deal/ a woman who was forced to perform oral sex on a trio of home invaders while her husband was made at gunpoint to watch told two of her assailants Monday. "I talked to you about the people you love. You asked me about my family, my children, and you still raped me." I always thought that we Men are the Kings of the household and the Women are Queens... a King has the final word, be a king or become a victim

davycoppitt | 12-05-2008 11:33 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against One of my old neighbor's wife also was very against guns. So he kept all of his guns in the attic of his garage and she didn't know about them.

Squirrel Bait | 12-05-2008 11:35 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Dude, go ahead and get it and put it away somewhere. One of your primary jobs is protection of your family. If bad stuff happens and you need it you will be so sorry. Don't throw it in her face, but do tell her. Don't go behind her back. She is thinking with her emotions, like so many people seem to do these days. If things don't get bad you will always be able to sell it later. s :thumb.aspx:

The Argent Dragon | 12-05-2008 11:36 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1450993) Anyway, every time I bring this up, my wife freaks out and tells me "there's no way I'll letting you bring a gun into this house."
#1 - Ask her, if not the house, where can I keep it ? #2 - Perhaps the garage, or some other area where you have jurisdiction is the answer. Make her ponder over that one. #3 - Tell her you're buying a gun anyway because it's necessary for protection. Let her get her emotions out and keep talking about it. She has to eventually try to compromise on this issue. #4 - Ask her if there are certain types of guns she would allow in the house. Force her to reason and make decisions about it. Just my 0.02 cents

StrawMan=Corporation | 12-05-2008 11:39 AM
Re: Want to buy a wife...Gun VERY against. Do you have kids ? What is her opposition to the shotgun ? Rent the film called the strangers and first view it alone and then make the choice to have her watch it with you or not. I say this as depending on your wife it could make her realise that having a firearm for home protection to be a good thing or reinforce her current opinion about a gun in the home. But then viewing this film might make you want to remove all of your kitchen knives from the home as well. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482606/ You Tube
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vector03 | 12-05-2008 11:39 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1451007) Nothing you can really do if she doesn't want a gun in her house. I wouldnt use the SHTF approach, Id use the home protection angle and how the police cant be at your house when a criminal is pulling an home invasion robbery. Make sure you bring it up whenever theres a crime like that in your area.
I've avoided a SHTF approach. If/When it's on, she'll be the one "in the matrix" unable to believe she's seeing what she's seeing.....wish I had the luxury of not having to be concerned. Funniest part about all this. She gave me a book ("50 things you're not suppose to know") about 6 months ago. One of the articles in this book explains how the police are not obligated to protect you. I've mentioned this to her several times. Quote:
Originally Posted by Elvis Either require her to be the person who responds to an armed intruder and tell him that he's not bringing a gun into the house, or allow you to be the protector of the home in a manner that will give you a fair fight against an armed intruder. Showing her what the threat really is, and how she's throwing you to the wolves unarmed as you live up to your responsibility to protect your wife and your home may have a positive effect.
I think this may be the answer. It's logical and reasonable. :coolbeer:

wallew | 12-05-2008 11:40 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Old proverb says: "Sometimes it easier to get forgiveness than permission"

born_cross_eyed | 12-05-2008 11:45 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Perhaps if you also buy a gun safe to keep it in? Or you could compromise with a less lethal weapon. What about nunchucks and throwing stars? http://www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/772.gif

rodzm | 12-05-2008 11:57 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Try to convince her that its for the best of the household, for safety if she is ever alone and someone breaks in. Take her on a shopping spree in exchange of you getting the rifle -Manny Who is all about about contraception, I mean protection. {$}

EE_ | 12-05-2008 12:01 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Pull up your skirt and get what you need! http://imgsrv.krmd.com/image/krmd/Us...in_skirt-2.jpg

renegade_01 | 12-05-2008 12:02 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against It is really simple. You are the MAN, and she is the WOMAN. If she can not handle you being a man maybe she needs to find a woman... I'm sick and tired of all this "she won't let me do this and that BS". Just do it. Don't ask. If she loves you she will understand.

chucked | 12-05-2008 12:05 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I was in the same situation as well. I just went ahead and bought a 9mm. Told her she would never see it unless it was needed....and its kept out of her sight. Wasn't a big deal at all except she was a little mad about the $500 that was spent.

MystryBox | 12-05-2008 12:07 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I was in that situation. However when Katrina happened she saw first hand evidence that when things get bad nobody was going to protect us but us. The government's crap response was a better argument than anything I ever could have said. She's not exactly happy about it but she let me get a gun (which was the Remington 870).

ohioarmedneutrality | 12-05-2008 12:16 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against My wife was more or less gun-unfriendly, despite the fact that her father had firearms when she was growing up. I think it was mostly because our kids were young at the time. I started out with a .22 rifle, and when it never became an issue having it in the house, I moved on to bigger and better firesticks (most of which were unfortunately lost in a tragic boating accident). Then her brother handed down one of her dad's .22 revolvers to her. We're at the point now where she has her own shotgun, a Mossberg 500 pump, and she wants to get a 9mm and 40 S&W handgun. My daughter has her own .22 rifle, and at some point will get my son his. It may take some time, but if your wife has any common sense, eventually she will relent, and in fact may become an active participant.

silverJeep | 12-05-2008 12:20 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I suspect your wife has never had anything bad happen to her. Real easy to take that road when you've never been a victim. Many here will beat you with "BE A MAN" but seriously, it is YOUR responsiblilty to protect your home and family. You need to be able to talk to her seriously about this. If she thinks you're immature and want to get a gun to be macho, then she has a point. If you explain seriously why you are going to get a gun, its purpose, the safety precautions you will take, she may not agree, but she should understand. (notice I didn't say ask) If you CAN'T get her to at least understand and "allow" you to get a gun... you have bigger problems than not having a gun.

TTAZZMAN | 12-05-2008 12:22 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against getting something like a C2 tazer in pink:wink: might be a steping stone and a middle ground my gals own tasers and guns because they can carry the taser almost anywhere http://www.lawenforcementforum.com/p...ct-review.html it is non letal so it nullifys her objections and starts her thinking about her own personal protection responsibility, i carry one of these to places i cant carry a gun

platinumdude | 12-05-2008 12:22 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Try to convince her to go to the range and try shooting with a small caliber pistol. Maybe she might like it.

Pythagorus | 12-05-2008 12:26 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Sometimes it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. Get the gun.

Pythagorus | 12-05-2008 12:28 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythagorus (Post 1451147) Sometimes it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. Get the gun.
wallew beat me to it

<SLV> | 12-05-2008 12:31 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Get a friend to ransack your house while you are out to dinner. Make sure some cash is missing (consider it a payment for services) and that the furniture it tipped upside down. If you really are serious about it, have him break a window to get in. However... at that point how do you keep her from calling the cops?

Big_Rob | 12-05-2008 12:31 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against LOL! My wife took the CWFP class with me and we both got our permits together. I guess Im lucky in that regards.

bigdaddy40 | 12-05-2008 12:35 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against be a man. it's your responsibility to protect your family. wtf is this "she won't let me shit?"

CAVU | 12-05-2008 12:40 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Are you stuck in a city? If not, act like you are interested in getting into the outdoors of hunting or fishing. She will think it is more your hobbie to get a gun or useful for some purpose other than to blow someone away. Start getting some hunting magazines with guys holding shotguns and a dead bird to ease her into it. Buy a hunting license and tell her you just want to get back to nature. Then get your shot gun and go practice skeet shooting. Once you are comfortable with the gun the wife will be too. If your wife is part of PETA and a vegetarian than you are SOL on this approach.

eyeofliberty | 12-05-2008 12:44 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against This wouldn't have been an issue 50 years ago. Sorry, but most guys today are so freakin' pussified by public school, mass media, propaganda, etc., that this crap actually flies. Does your wife prefer to be an unarmed victim? Does she believe the police will protect you? Does she have a better suggestion to protect you from potentially armed intruders, or does she think this kind of scenario will never happen? I'm damn glad my wife doesn't believe this way. Then again, I wouldn't have married a woman that did. She keeps telling me we need more guns! :emotions16: Seriously -- get some balls, get a backbone, and get the gun. Or roll over and prostrate yourself to anyone and everyone. Your choice...

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ruprick | 12-05-2008 12:44 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Time to be the man of the house. Tell here you are getting a revolver and that it is final. Why does she not want a gun? Is it a logical reason? Or just ignorant emotion? To close the deal: Go to Harbor Freight....pay $50 and buy an electronic keypad safe like you would find in a hotel. Bolt this safe to the floor or to studs in your wall....I suggest putting it in your bedroom...or bedroom closet....use a simple code that can be opened in the dark....like bottom left corner buttons or something similar.....keep pistol in safe loaded and ready to go. If she can't accept this ....tell here to piss off and do it anyway.....at some point you need to make a stand ....even if your wife is stupid and makes poor decisions. There can be no argument against this situation...other than the total cost of the system...probably under $500 total. Get the safe.....it ends all arguments for $50...and they are very nice and secure.....only way I know of to have a geun ready to go in a matter of seconds....short of being on your person 100% of the time....in the end, she will feel better having one ...even if she will bot admit it. Sorry to be offensive...but that is how it has to be....at least if it were my home/wife.

Kerouac | 12-05-2008 12:46 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Stage a false flag event like the governments do. You can set it up so you break in to your own house, throw a few things around on the floor, break a plate or two, do it just before she comes home from work and youre not home. Heglian dialect: Problem Reaction Solution Youll have the shotgun within a week. Be smart.

i love gold nyc | 12-05-2008 12:50 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1450993) I need some help here. I've wanted to get a shotgun for the house. Been looking at the Remington 870 Tactical...I like the short barrel or the Saiga 12 because it's semi-auto. Anyway, every time I bring this up, my wife freaks out and tells me "there's no way I'll letting you bring a gun into this house." Someone, ANYONE, if you've had this issue and overcome, please chime in. I really want her to agree to this. She cares to know nothing of what's going on in the world and looks at me like I'm crazy when I talk about financial markets and where we're heading. "I told you so" isn't going to cut it after this debate is over. Thanks! PS: I searched but didn't really come up with anything.
Not sure this will work for you but, here is what I did. I put my foot down and did what I thought was right. I explained that I was going to take initiative with protecting my household and there are no ifs ands or buts. In the end, its my ass and if survival means leaving anyone behind that was against me, so be it.

Squirrel Bait | 12-05-2008 12:53 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by rogold (Post 1451017) let her read this story... http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/no...ake-plea-deal/ a woman who was forced to perform oral sex on a trio of home invaders while her husband was made at gunpoint to watch told two of her assailants Monday. "I talked to you about the people you love. You asked me about my family, my children, and you still raped me."
Hey Rogold, initially I didn't go and read the link in your post. But the brutality of it really comes out in the article. Wow!! I wonder if the crime was inspired by that movie that came out recently, "The Strangers". Excellent link +1000 s

Twisted Avatar | 12-05-2008 01:08 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by FireMattMillen (Post 1450998) In general, when the woman puts her foot down like that....nothing can be done.
Maybe in your household but not in mines Out of respect to my spouse I will make her AWARE of my desicion but it will be a cold day in hell before I have to ASK for permission Last time I checked my mother doesn't tuck me into bed anymore. Bottom line as the man of the house YOU are the very last line of defense For you not to have the tools to defend your home and loved ones you are an affront to your creator and not a true man in my eyes and I will have no problem telling him this to his face Arm yourself...............she will get over it. T

smullen | 12-05-2008 01:16 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I feel bad for you and hate situations like this.... I thankfully had most of my guns before her... The topic came up along time ago when we were 1st dating and she acted like she kinda wanted me to get rid of them... I said, I had them before you you and I expect I'll have them after you... I have a friend and co-worker who has a CCW, but no firearms... His wife will not let allow them in the house....

Baggerman | 12-05-2008 01:18 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against You might share with her some of the articles from the NRA "Armed citizen".

Squirrel Bait | 12-05-2008 01:18 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1451249) Maybe in your household but not in mines Out of respect to my spouse I will make her AWARE of my desicion but it will be a cold day in hell before I have to ASK for permission Last time I checked my mother doesn't tuck me into bed anymore. Bottom line as the man of the house YOU are the very last line of defense For you not to have the tools to defend your home and loved ones you are an affront to your creator and not a true man in my eyes and I will have no problem telling him this to his face Arm yourself...............she will get over it. T
There was a posting awhile back by Avalon asking "Where have all the men gone" Have we as a society been so battered by liberal talk shows and sitcoms that we are actually giving in to this subliminal message. Obviously, for part of us the answer is a resounding "YES" But that doesnt mean we can't change our ways. It's time to stand up and be who you were meant to be. s :36_1_28:

vector03 | 12-05-2008 01:26 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Thank you All for taking the time to read and provide advise. It's not a macho "I want a gun to be a bad ass" thing. It's also not a "***** whipped" thing. It's more of a mutual respect thing at this point. If she went out and spent $500 without telling me and I found out later, I'd be pretty pissed at her. I need her to at least accept this decision if I can't make her a willing participant. Moved out of the city about 2 years ago...like it much better. I think local news articles are a good next approach...ultimately I think I'll end up just employing the "ask for forgiveness rather than permission" approach. Seems to work out in my favor at my job. Thanks everyone!

latitude22 | 12-05-2008 01:27 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against new gun, new wife? :)

nub | 12-05-2008 01:30 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1451014) One of her hang ups is, her shoulder was injured a while back and she's got limited range of motion. Wouldn't be able to hold a shotgun, but I was thinking of a small caliber handgun that would be fired with one hand for her. Maybe I should stage a break-in on my own house :4_8_4v::SLEEP::36_1_25: LOL
Shoot from the hip .... She needs to wake the F... up......who wears the pants in your family any how?

Twisted Avatar | 12-05-2008 01:32 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I am on my blackberry so I can't freakout properly Dose a women ask permission everytime she goes shopping for shoes? Well okay then Never mind how she feels today less than 36 months from now she will be thanking God you stood up and showed some dam backbone. Well all hell is break loose and 911 dosent work anymore T

Apocalypto | 12-05-2008 01:36 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by FireMattMillen (Post 1450998) In general, when the woman puts her foot down like that....nothing can be done. I wish I had something better.
Something can always be done. My suggestion is to remain persistent. Approach the issue as if it's a done deal. Always stress the positive aspects of the purchase. Never give up. You're right to be honest with your wife. If you aren't honest with her don't expect her to be honest with you. This is a mutual thing. You aren't wrong to want the gun and she isn't wrong to be against it. You just have a different view of the issue than she does. A difference of opinion. But just as she may want to buy new appliances for the kitchen or new clothes, you want the gun. She has her opinion and you have yours, it's just that right now you've run into a disagreement. Nothing wrong with that. Just don't give up. Sooner or later she will give in and accept your wish. The main factor is, how much do you want it and how hard are you willing to fight for it?

vector03 | 12-05-2008 01:36 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1451326) I am on my blackberry so I can't freakout properly Dose a women ask permission everytime she goes shopping for shoes? Well okay then Never mind how she feels today less than 36 months from now she will be thanking God you stood up and showed some dam backbone. Well all hell is break loose and 911 dosent work anymore T
We have an agreement to consult each other on any purchase greater than $200 with the exception of groceries. I think it's fair and it works for us. This may turn into the second exception.

RoadKing | 12-05-2008 01:37 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against You are in a tough position.... First off I would never go behind her back and just get a gun. I would sit her down and have another serious conversation with her about it. I would then attempt to convince her to entertain going to a range with you (check it out first to make sure it isn't a Bubba range) and let her see that by knowing about guns and being proficient is far better than not owning. Maybe if you know a police/sheriff person, you could also have them discuss with her the pro's and con's of owning...... If all that fails, then I would tell her straight up, and to her face, that you are the man, you have the obligation to protect the family as best as you determine and that you are getting a gun. Also tell her that you are going to take all the necessary precautions, classes etc.....and that you wish she would/could be part of that part of your decision. Good Luck, RK

vector03 | 12-05-2008 01:45 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadKing (Post 1451339) You are in a tough position.... First off I would never go behind her back and just get a gun. I would sit her down and have another serious conversation with her about it. I would then attempt to convince her to entertain going to a range with you (check it out first to make sure it isn't a Bubba range) and let her see that by knowing about guns and being proficient is far better than not owning. Maybe if you know a police/sheriff person, you could also have them discuss with her the pro's and con's of owning...... If all that fails, then I would tell her straight up, and to her face, that you are the man, you have the obligation to protect the family as best as you determine and that you are getting a gun. Also tell her that you are going to take all the necessary precautions, classes etc.....and that you wish she would/could be part of that part of your decision. Good Luck, RK
This is the approach I'm going to take. I really hope it doesn't come down to me telling her how it is.

platinumdude | 12-05-2008 01:55 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I would get a rifle cabinet or gun safe too.

Twisted Avatar | 12-05-2008 01:59 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1451336) We have an agreement to consult each other on any purchase greater than $200 with the exception of groceries. I think it's fair and it works for us. This may turn into the second exception.
I can certainly appreciate the agreement system you have going but the truth of the matter is time is NOT onyour side There is a very REAL CHANCE you may not be able to purchase a firearm in the next 120 days or at the very least EXTREMLY more difficult and expensive One thing I have learned is NOBODY can be convienced of ANYTHING either they see it. or they don't so disscussing this ad nausem will bear little fruit save frustration Bottom line: Assert your authority as the man of the house and get the tools to defend your loved ones. Time will be your vindicator. T

Little Ant | 12-05-2008 02:08 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Gun loving woman speaking here. My two cents pretty much goes along with the other posters. This is a necessary tool to take care of your family and property. Just as you get property insurance, car insurance to protect your assets, a gun is life insurance to protect your asses. I have noticed that when anyone voices strong opposition to guns it is important to get down to their reasons. You stated your wife didn't want to get a shotgun due to a previous shoulder injury. That gives me the feeling that the door is open to a handgun. If you find out what specifically is her issue with guns then you can try to dispel any misconceptions she has about them. For instance, one lady was petrified that the gun would "go off on its own and accidentally kill a family member" but getting correct info helped her to see this was nonsense. Show your wife that your concerns are for the safety of your family period. You're not looking to blow a bundle just to get a new toy. Calmly state that you are making an informed decision to fulfill your duty to protect your family. End of story. Good Luck.

Fullpower | 12-05-2008 02:10 PM
wife VERY against It is your duty to protect your family and household. DO NOT ASK permission, DO what needs to be done. If a window on your house was broken, would you ASK your wife's permission to buy a piece of glass?

EE_ | 12-05-2008 02:15 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1451326) I am on my blackberry so I can't freakout properly Dose a women ask permission everytime she goes shopping for shoes? Well okay then Never mind how she feels today less than 36 months from now she will be thanking God you stood up and showed some dam backbone. Well all hell is break loose and 911 dosent work anymore T
Yeah! Who knows, maybe she might "let" you have sex too.

Abouthadit | 12-05-2008 02:26 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by specsaregood (Post 1451000) I had a friend in the same exact position for years. Until last month when somebody tried to break into their house and the wife was home alone. She went from anti-gun to "let's get a gun". They now have been taking shooting classes and have a shotgun in the house.
got a friend?

madfranks | 12-05-2008 02:42 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1451305) I think local news articles are a good next approach...ultimately I think I'll end up just employing the "ask for forgiveness rather than permission" approach. Seems to work out in my favor at my job. Thanks everyone!
I'm sorry I got into this conversation so late. Dude I was in the EXACT same position as you a little over a year ago. Read this thread: http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=182360 Also, let me tell you, I tried the "ask for forgiveness later" thing, and that night, when I pulled the pistol box out of the dresser and showed it to her, she freaked out!!! She went to her parents house that night and she told me later that she almost left me for it (what can I say? I married an anti-gun woman before I took "the red pill" and learned about GIM). Don't do it! Do everything you can to teach her about it, and there are a lot of good books and sites to do it (see above link). I would recommend "dial 911 and die", that's a good one.

the toxic avenger | 12-05-2008 03:01 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1451336) We have an agreement to consult each other on any purchase greater than $200 with the exception of groceries. I think it's fair and it works for us. This may turn into the second exception.
Classic Arms has some Norinco 12 guage pumps for $149.95. After shipping and FFL fee it would probably come in at a grand total of $199.95. Problem solved. :565::getdown:bancha:banana: http://classicarms.us/ They are the ultra 87 shotguns near the bottom of the page. It wouldn't be my first choice but I'd be willing to bet it would do the job.

vector03 | 12-05-2008 03:03 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by madfranks (Post 1451464) I'm sorry I got into this conversation so late. Dude I was in the EXACT same position as you a little over a year ago. Read this thread: http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=182360 Also, let me tell you, I tried the "ask for forgiveness later" thing, and that night, when I pulled the pistol box out of the dresser and showed it to her, she freaked out!!! She went to her parents house that night and she told me later that she almost left me for it (what can I say? I married an anti-gun woman before I took "the red pill" and learned about GIM). Don't do it! Do everything you can to teach her about it, and there are a lot of good books and sites to do it (see above link). I would recommend "dial 911 and die", that's a good one.
Thanks for the link! I think we're going to have a little pow wow tonight and hammer out a few things. Thanks everyone...you've been a great help...even the folks telling me I have no balls. :emotions16:

igorthesmall | 12-05-2008 03:08 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against You can get yourself a hi point 9 mm pistol for ~$140 bucks out the door around here. Thats brand new with a lifetime warranty that covers everything. Some people dont like Hi-Points, and they are ugly as hell, but I own one and it works great for me. Although I did have to send it back to the factory because when I bought it, it jammed up all the time, but they fixed it no questions asked and sent it back to me. Just another option. Good luck!

EE_ | 12-05-2008 03:16 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1451507) Thanks for the link! I think we're going to have a little pow wow tonight and hammer out a few things. Thanks everyone...you've been a great help...even the folks telling me I have no balls.:emotions16:
You're very welcome! :ok: We're here to help! Now show her who's boss in the sack tonight! Take one of these an hour before. She might even go to the gun store with you?bancha http://ugandaninsomniac.files.wordpr...3/hoviagra.jpg

vector03 | 12-05-2008 03:20 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by EE_ (Post 1451526) You're very welcome! :ok: We're here to help! Now show her who's boss in the sack tonight! Take one of these an hour before. She might even go to the gun store with you?bancha http://ugandaninsomniac.files.wordpr...3/hoviagra.jpg
No need for the pill. That "gun" fires every time. :bull-smile:

B4ITS2L8 | 12-05-2008 03:29 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Show her this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_Massacre Bad stuff happens to good people. As far as myself, I bought the gun and proudly showed her my new "tool". She didn't like the spent $ but got over it. Do you have a slush fund that is your own for lunches out or whatever? Use that, then the $ should not be an issue. PBJ can grow on you. Good luck and get the gun today!! If the time should come and you don't have the means to protect your famile how will you FEEL?

latitude22 | 12-05-2008 03:46 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I don't think my wife even notices when I get another gun at this point, lol and they are stashed all over the boat so she knows where they are. She did say she wants to get her ccw.

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Mike C | 12-05-2008 03:47 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I'd recomend a revolver for bedside protection with a decent pistol vault to secure it in. Try to compormise after showing her the benefits of having a gun handy against armed intruders. Try to take her to the range to teach her to shoot it if she ever has to. A shotgun might be to "intimidating" for her, as my wife is scared of them as well(fear of the recoil). My wife will gladly grab my .38 airweight revolver though. She will also gladly shoot my Glocks, but should a malfunction occur or something, she is not trained with the slide, so we will keep her with the revolver. I think my wife saw firsthand when some thug on the road tried to get out on me and her as we were stuck in gridlocked traffic, and this guy would have caused a problem. A quick placement of my hand on my Glock(on my side) made him quickly get back in his car and drive off. Would I be here had I not been armed, who knows??

latitude22 | 12-05-2008 03:52 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I still say pack her a bag and bring the gun home, let her decide ;)

negative1 | 12-05-2008 03:56 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1450993) Want to buy gun...wife VERY against
Find someone with guns that is willing to take you and your wife out to the range with some 22s and have some fun with bolling pins. Slowly work her up to bigger toys. It's like she's a virgin that just needs to be talked into it the first time. After that hopefully she will be a little more open minded when you go to buy a gun. :bull-smile: -1

Junior Ganymede Club | 12-05-2008 05:50 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against A couple of weeks ago, I was away on a business trip, got a call from my wife, who wanted to know where I kept our shotgun. We have a set of chimes that we own, which were stored in a room near our garage. They were chiming. The chimes weren't ringing because of wind, they were inside, and our daughter is three, so it wasn't her. Nobody else in the house. I told my wife where it was, gave her a quick lesson on this firearm and some basics(she'd fired a pistol before, although she'd never really shown much interest, she wasn't anti-gun, she just didn't care) and that night she slept with it near our bed. She was scared. One genuine scare was all it took. I bought her a little Berretta .25 after that, something she's comfortable with, and she's quite happy to know it's handy if she needs it. I think if I were you, I'd have her talk to other women, women who are comfortable with guns in the home, and who might have a story like that. I'll bet that With all due respect to the "just do it anyway" crowd, I agree with the idea that it's a man's primary responsibility to protect his household, but there are better ways of getting the job done, than sneaking around behind her back, or staging break-ins. Just be reasonable, show some creativity in how you handle this, and it'll work out.

Heimdhal | 12-05-2008 06:01 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I would actualy go against the grain here and suggest NOT to just do it anyways. Not because itll piss of your wife(well, a little because of that). My wife was never ANTI gun, she was always fine with me owning them and having them, but seeing them, touching them, or knowing they were int he same room made her REALLY uncomfortable or just freak out totaly. I talked about buying some home defence guns for a long time but always put it off because of how she felt. (I had an antique single shot shotgun so I relied on that, but it was more fooling myself than anything). FInaly she told me straight out "Are you going to get a gun or not damnit, just buy one!". Something in her snapped and she realized that it was a VERY smart idea to have the abilities a firearm gives you. I told her though straight up that if there was going to be a semi automatic gun of any kind in this house, with her and our 1 year old daughter, that she(my wife) was going to learn how to operate and use it EFFECTIVLEY because I was not going to have a firearm around some one that couldnt use it in a safe, concentrated and proper manner. To my suprise she agreed and I took her to a range a week later with my new hand gun. I have her show me that she can load the mags, rack the slide, load a round, set it on and off safter and manipulate the internal child saftey lock. She now LIKES to shoot the guns, wants one of her own and is goign with me to get our concealed carry permits so she can carry her own gun when I'm not around with mine. Dont hound your wife about it or scare her, but politley suggest things to her and give her examples when you can, of fire arms owners that have stopped crime. Nearly 2.5 million crimes are stopped every year by smart gun owners. Most of those robberies and home invasion with violent criminals.

rogold | 12-05-2008 06:14 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by EE_ (Post 1451094) Pull up your skirt and get what you need! http://imgsrv.krmd.com/image/krmd/Us...in_skirt-2.jpg
yeap!! A friend in the commodity marker once said in a sales call, "Pick up your skirt, grab your balls, and let's go make some money". Quote:
Originally Posted by renegade_01 (Post 1451095) It is really simple. You are the MAN, and she is the WOMAN. If she can not handle you being a man maybe she needs to find a woman... I'm sick and tired of all this "she won't let me do this and that BS". Just do it. Don't ask. If she loves you she will understand.
YEP, you are the MAN, be a MAN. Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdaddy40 (Post 1451173) be a man. it's your responsibility to protect your family. wtf is this "she won't let me shit?"
Again, you are the MAN, you have a different role than your wife, you are the hunter/protector!!! Be a MAN or be a victim.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 1451220) Hey Rogold, initially I didn't go and read the link in your post. But the brutality of it really comes out in the article. Wow!! I wonder if the crime was inspired by that movie that came out recently, "The Strangers". Excellent link +1000 s
Yeah, that is the most evil thing I've read in a while and it's not a first time thing.. this crime was recent - June 2007... how could you look at your wife the same? My friend even said something I didn't think of... the woman could have said no... death before dishonor right? probably not in her case, but I'll be damned if that would ever happen to me. My gun is usually sleeping just as close to me in the bedroom... Remember this happened while they were asleep in the bedroom!!! WHAT WILL A GUN IN THE FLIPPIN' ATTIC DO?

beefsteak | 12-05-2008 06:15 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against My wife said to share this concept with you. Start with solving the where are you going to store it or them SAFELY issue. lockbox in top of closet, gun safe in the basement, false wall in the closet, all the above, but deal with the storage issue first and foremost. Then get that squared away and container(s) purchased. Plus Lock. Give her a key. Then after her bitch and tirade and railing against you is done and she's worn out her girlfriends and family with her nonesensical tirades, get the weapon(s) of your choice and put in "it." The home is your castle, and you have a right to some of the square footage. Tell her you love her, but no is NOT an option. Have 2 yes's choices lined up, and then follow-through. And while you're at it, have the budget angle worked out, the pricing worked out, and the types worked out. After the gun safe is chosen, all will be all done except for her shouting. Quietly tell her that as long as she's alive and able to shout, it's allright with you that she hollers. Rather you sleep on the sofa and be protective than be in bed with her and dead as a doornail. Leaving her and yourself unprotected is absolutely NOT okay with you. No if's and's or but's about it. Hope this helps. :bear_thumb:

Chris_Is_Here | 12-05-2008 07:08 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Wife won't let him....christ on a cross!.....ask your wife who is more likely to protect her when things go to smash....a fat-ass, obese cop, with hardened arteries and a don't-care atttiude (and probably two years away from a nice, fat pension) or YOU, the man who made a vow to her? Dude, come on

3x3l3r8 | 12-05-2008 07:09 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by Elvis (Post 1451004) Either require her to be the person who responds to an armed intruder and tell him that he's not bringing a gun into the house, or allow you to be the protector of the home in a manner that will give you a fair fight against an armed intruder. Showing her what the threat really is, and how she's throwing you to the wolves unarmed as you live up to your responsibility to protect your wife and your home may have a positive effect. http://www.spotcrime.com/ As for me, I married an armed woman...
Nice post!:23_28_100s:

Ag_man | 12-05-2008 07:19 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against My wife is very anti-gun. I don't really know why, as her best friend and business partner was brutally stabbed to death many years before we met. I had a few firearms when we married and she made it known that she didn't like them in the house. My basic response to that was "tough sh*t". I've tried in vain to take her to the range many times. I don't bother anymore. I don't ask permission for any firearm that I buy, nor the storage of the weapons. What works for me may not necessarily work for you, but this is an issue with only 1 "right answer". Get armed, keep them in a secure, quickly accessible location and become proficient with your firearms, bottom line! Guns in the attic are not the answer!

flash91 | 12-05-2008 07:19 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Wife wants no gun in the house. Maybe you can find someone with only one gun, and trade straight across for the wife? just brainstormin...

3x3l3r8 | 12-05-2008 07:34 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I am a female, and am very pro-gun, but I wasn't always this way. What did it for me was education. I had a friend who took me shooting, which led me to understand that a gun is a tool for my use, not a living thing with a will of it's own. I realize that dating and marriage are two very different things . . . but I used the same approach for my super-lib boyfriend who hates guns. I took it out, unloaded it and showed him how it works. Like I said, he's a super-lib, so I have had to compromise a little, which I think is better for everyone. I keep it unloaded and locked in a safe now, when it used to be loaded in the drawer beside my bed. It is my belief that people are mostly afraid of things they don't understand. Help her understand guns, and you'll get closer to your goal. It is also my belief that the man is supposed to protect the home - look at how well that's working out for me. :-) For those suggesting false flag operations and staged break-ins - I am pretty sure that when you've vowed to take someone as your partner for life it should be worth more than trickery and lies, but I've never been married, so I am not exactly sure. I'll tell you this, reading all of those suggestions makes me more afraid of marriage than I was before, and that's something.

igorthesmall | 12-05-2008 07:40 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by flash91 (Post 1451883) Wife wants no gun in the house. Maybe you can find someone with only one gun, and trade straight across for the wife? just brainstormin...
I laughed!

igorthesmall | 12-05-2008 07:41 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike C (Post 1451582) She will also gladly shoot my Glocks, but should a malfunction occur or something
Glocks dont malfunction! :bull-smile:

fl57caveman | 12-05-2008 07:50 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by renegade_01 (Post 1451095) It is really simple. You are the MAN, and she is the WOMAN. If she can not handle you being a man maybe she needs to find a woman... I'm sick and tired of all this "she won't let me do this and that BS". Just do it. Don't ask. If she loves you she will understand.
Hey, i like you big guy.. like he ^ says, get a gun anyway, either don't tell the wife, or tell her to get over it.. it's your job, not hers. Teddy Roosevelt even kept a gun on his night stand, when asked about why he needed it with govt protection, he said:"it is a man's duty to protect his family, not someone's else's"

foolsgold | 12-05-2008 07:54 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1450993) I need some help here. PS: I searched but didn't really come up with anything.
The answer to your problem... You Tube
You Tube

californiaprospector | 12-05-2008 07:56 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I really feel for you, and can offer no advice. My wife is only slightly less of a "gun nut" than I, so I've not had any experience with your predicament. Best wishes! Maybe have her watch some videos on what big ugly home invaders could do to her while she dials 9-1-1?

Blorp | 12-05-2008 08:13 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1451192) Time to be the man of the house. Tell here you are getting a revolver and that it is final. Sorry to be offensive...but that is how it has to be....at least if it were my home/wife.
I share this sentiment. Just do it. Be respectful and tell her I'm doing this and explain that there is no changing your mind. As an aside, my wife and I have a shared account and we each have personal accounts. 90% of our income goes to the shared account. 5% goes to each of our personal accounts. Our agreement is that is OUR personal money. How it is spent is not the other persons business. That way I can buy my stuff and she can do her thing and there is no arguing. We both agree on gold and silver so no worries there. :ok: Just sometimes she will ask me, "Do you need another gun?" lol She doesn't mind the firearms, it is the quantity. So that gun gets purchased out of my money instead of the joint fund. Just an idea for ya. Do whatever works for you! :9536:

latitude22 | 12-05-2008 08:56 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by igorthesmall (Post 1451924) Glocks dont malfunction! :bull-smile:
YEAH RIGHTTT....

Fullpower | 12-05-2008 09:06 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Anybody can be a slave. It takes Balls to become a citizen. GROW a pair.

SWRichmond | 12-05-2008 09:10 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by Elvis (Post 1451004) Either require her to be the person who responds to an armed intruder and tell him that he's not bringing a gun into the house, or allow you to be the protector of the home in a manner that will give you a fair fight against an armed intruder. Showing her what the threat really is, and how she's throwing you to the wolves unarmed as you live up to your responsibility to protect your wife and your home may have a positive effect. http://www.spotcrime.com/ As for me, I married an armed woman...
Men have no inherent responsibility to be the protectors of women. It is this attitude that allows women to be naive about personal protection....it makes it someone else's problem. That is exactly the problem faced by the OP. However, the first part of Elvis' post I agree with: tell her if someone breaks in you are hightailing it out of there because you refuse to try to defend the home unarmed, as you are not suicidal. Women have been conditioned by a generation of TV and women's programs that guns jump into people's hands and cause death. Among common objections are: 1. The kids, or someone else's kids, will get it and hurt themselves or someone else. This is a valid concern and must be very carefully and securely addressed. 2. During a heated argument, one of you will grab the gun and shoot the other. If your wife genuinely has this fear, do not buy a gun. It may mean she is afraid of herself. 3. "Guns cause accidents". This is media hype; statistically, driving in an automobile is much more dangerous, as is swimming, etc. Actual accidental deaths by firearms are rare. Statistics about "children" being killed with guns include 18 year old gang bangers, etc. Find out what her specific objection is. You won't be able to overcome it until you know exactly what it is.

buff01 | 12-05-2008 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadKing (Post 1451339) You are in a tough position.... First off I would never go behind her back and just get a gun. I would sit her down and have another serious conversation with her about it. I would then attempt to convince her to entertain going to a range with you (check it out first to make sure it isn't a Bubba range) and let her see that by knowing about guns and being proficient is far better than not owning. Maybe if you know a police/sheriff person, you could also have them discuss with her the pro's and con's of owning...... If all that fails, then I would tell her straight up, and to her face, that you are the man, you have the obligation to protect the family as best as you determine and that you are getting a gun. Also tell her that you are going to take all the necessary precautions, classes etc.....and that you wish she would/could be part of that part of your decision.
I like this approach-- no reason to be combative about it. You are getting the protection your home needs and if she isn't on board then so be it. It's not an unreasonable thing you want to do by any sane standard.

kopfjeager | 12-06-2008 02:50 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against every time I bring this up, my wife freaks out and tells me "there's no way I'll letting you bring a gun into this house." is this her house or YOUR house? tell her "i've decided to buy a shotgun. do you think i should buy the remington or the saiga?" that way, you make her feel like she has contributed.

Silvestor | 12-06-2008 03:13 AM
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bfnelson | 12-06-2008 05:16 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Yeah, not to be mean I don't know why anyone would waste their time trying to convince a woman of anything or tell them anything you will do in advance. Did you ask her if you could buy a power drill? Having a conversation won't work because everything you say will make her "feel bad" and she'll feel more and more negative about it. Those news articles won't work because they'll make her "feel bad". lol Simply get the gun, bring it home and put it in a heavy safe, one she can't move. When she hassles you about it just tell her you you took her input into consideration. If she fights or threatens divorce tell her fine. Show no emotion and don't argue with her, just look her in the eye and tell her to think about that one very carefully because you'll be only to happy to accomodate if that's really what she wants. Remember not to argue, if you don't argue, she can't win! If she actually leaves you then she does not love you (seriously) and you have one less problem to deal with. If she tries to withhold sex, refuse to have sex with her longer. Tell her you are not sleeping on the couch, she is the one with the problem so she can sleep there. Don't let her be abusive to you, if she does leave for a while without saying anything. Never argue with a woman or have a conversation with her to convince her that something is a good idea. That will make her feel better believe it or not.

mk3hunter | 12-06-2008 07:39 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against married for 9 years......no one will tell me how to protect my family....not even the wife. I just will not compromise on this. Get the gun...if you have to keep it somehwere else do it.

ruprick | 12-06-2008 07:54 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Again - get a revolver and an electronic key wall safe. Bolt the safe to the floor/wall in the bedroom/ bedroom closet. A gun in the garage attic is useless. A loaded pistol secure in a quick open safe is want is needed. This is the only pratical solution for your situation.....skip the big pump shotgun....go with the much smaller....easier to store...less imposing revolver. Tell her to think of it as being just like a fire extinguisher.....there if we need it.

wildcard | 12-06-2008 08:48 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against A few good ones from http://www.a-human-right.com/introduction.html http://www.a-human-right.com/guessing_s.jpg http://www.a-human-right.com/s_protection.jpg http://www.a-human-right.com/s_fightback.jpg http://www.a-human-right.com/s_response.jpg

RoadKing | 12-06-2008 09:15 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against vector3, Most of the folks here saying 'just do it', etc... are either single, not happily married, or think they are, but have no communication with their spouse, or are sitting in front of their computer in their boxers jackin their pistols. Being a man is more than 'just doing it'. It's having respect for your spouse.....now, having said that, if your talks fail, then I'd suggest 'just do it' but at least she'll know. :beer: RK

Lt Dan | 12-06-2008 09:20 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Personally, I love my wife, I respect her opinion, (look whom she married after all), but when the rubber hits the road, I'll do what I think is the wise thing, even if she objects. So far, after 37 years, it is still working. Just do it!

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SAUM | 12-06-2008 10:06 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I had a simple minded epiphany last night. Have your dad buy you one for Christmas.

C4talyst | 12-06-2008 10:27 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by specsaregood (Post 1451000) I had a friend in the same exact position for years. Until last month when somebody tried to break into their house and the wife was home alone. She went from anti-gun to "let's get a gun". They now have been taking shooting classes and have a shotgun in the house.
I find that mentality pretty annoying. My fiance was a very anti-gun liberal when we met nearly two years ago. Over time, I slowly educated her on how to safely own, store and operate firearms. I've also swayed her some from believing the police are her only form of protection.

Tallships | 12-06-2008 11:15 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I would just rent a small shack across town and live there with my shotgun.

Erika | 12-06-2008 11:47 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1450993) I need some help here. I've wanted to get a shotgun for the house. Been looking at the Remington 870 Tactical...I like the short barrel or the Saiga 12 because it's semi-auto. Anyway, every time I bring this up, my wife freaks out and tells me "there's no way I'll letting you bring a gun into this house." Someone, ANYONE, if you've had this issue and overcome, please chime in. I really want her to agree to this. She cares to know nothing of what's going on in the world and looks at me like I'm crazy when I talk about financial markets and where we're heading. "I told you so" isn't going to cut it after this debate is over. Thanks! PS: I searched but didn't really come up with anything.
Your avatar is Family Guy and his Idiot Son brandishing pistols and you ask us here why your wife does not respect you? What woman would?

Maddie | 12-06-2008 12:41 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Why doesn't your wife want a gun in the house? Is it just the usual unfamilarity with them and the resulting tendency to see guns as icons of violence? Does she have an actual fear of them or just an aversion? Does she know how much you want one? Is it the expense that bothers her? Is it the type of gun that bothers her? From the way you said it, it sounds to me like she's giving the idea a casual slap-down and not taking it seriously, a kind of shoot from the hip response. My husband didn't like guns and didn't like guns in the house, but I already had a bunch when he married me, so there wasn't much argument. We each keep our own bank accounts and don't answer to one another for what we spend our discretionary income on, so it wasn't a big issue when I bought guns, although I confess to squirreling new guns away without telling him I'd bought them just to avoid the grumbling about guns in the house. Luckily, in those days he couldn't tell one from another, and he had no idea how many I had because he thought all the "black rifles" were one rifle, etc. Anyway, like everyone else, I'll give you my suggestions: 1) Don't listen to a lot of these guys. The last group of men I heard blustering like that took off halfway through a caving trip and ran down the mountain with fear in their eyes because they told their wives they'd be back by a certain time and were running late. I suspect a lot of them have barks worse than their bites, haven't had to deal with the issue you're dealing with, aren't married, or have marriages you wouldn't envy. 2) If she seems to have her heels dug in and you're going to do it anyway, stop talking about it now! Don't bring it up again. Later, when you buy one anyway, it will be easier to ask for forgiveness if you can say you didn't realize how strongly she felt about it. (I did like the idea someone had of having your dad give you one for Christmas!) 3) If it's just her unfamiliarity with guns and adherence to the party line, get someone to take you both shooting. Try to find a woman who will do it (maybe contact your local chapter of Liberty Belles for help there?). She'll feel more comfortable with a woman teaching her, or, if nothing else, she may not like the idea of your going shooting with a female she doesn't know and will accompany you to keep an eye on the situation. Lol! Seriously, my husband, after 15 years of marriage, finally came shooting with me because one of the guys he worked with is a member of my gun club and had been shooting with me. He came to work excitedly telling my husband about shooting with me. It also helped that the guy was excited about shooting my M1A and when he told my husband about it, my husband had argued that I didn't have an M1A, the black rifle was a .22 (my husband didn't know what an M1A was or that I had one and thought all my black rifles were the same rifle, and the only one we'd talked about was a Ruger 10/22 I had shown him). He was a little embarassed by the whole thing and decided he should go with me at least once. He did and discovered he loved shooting. Anyway, once shooting was demystified, my husband fell in love with it. My mother, too, always hated guns until a group of her "old lady friends" (all in their 70s) took a shooting class at the insistence of some other "old lady friends" of hers. Now, mom has a gun, loves shooting, and she and her "old lady friends" get together to go shooting. Prior to that, she'd seen guns as a "macho thing" and never understood why a couple of her daughters liked it so much. I remember, however, that once, a few years ago, when my sister was sitting on the couch looking at my Swedish mauser, with the the gun in her hands and her toddler at her knee, looking all Madonna-like with her long blond hair. My mother was gazing at the scene with an odd softening of her eyes and a little smile on her face and surprised us all by saying dreamily, "Maybe I should learn to shoot..." Lol! Want me to loan you a nephew? 4) Try to get her to go to an SAS shoot with you. Guns and playing dress-up? What could be more fun! Plus, there are lots of women participating, and there's usually shopping! Buy her a nice dress and a matching 6-shooter??? :) 5) Offer her $500, or the equivalent amount you spent, to spend on whatever she wants, no questions asked. Have the $500 cash-in-hand when you talk to her. 6) Show her how much you want one (this might not mix with #2, so consider your timeline). As someone else said, look at them longingly in stores, in catalogs, etc. (careful with gun magazines; some of them would be a turn-off to someone who doesn't like guns). If she makes a comment about not wanting one in the house, just look really sad and hurt and stay really quiet. See what I'm sacrificing for you? See how much pain I'm in? If you're lucky, she'll end up telling you to buy a gun! Don't laugh. Being able to master the "nothing else in life will bring me joy" look and sigh is how I got my husband to relent and let me keep a little rescue dog that he wanted me to get rid of. Some guys may not like this approach, but it's much easier to live with the aftermath of something if it was your spouse's own decision to give in. 7) Look for a crime prevention organization that gives lectures and set up a lecture for your neighborhood group, church group, etc. There used to be one in the southeast called Southeast Crime Prevention. They hire former police officers to give lectures to groups. The one we used to have come speak to our students every year didn't mince words. They told the audience exactly what happens in a home invasion in all the gory details, which for women and girls is very gory. They told things that weren't released to the media for fear of copycat criminals, such as how common it is for gangs to come up behind a woman in a parking lot, grab her and Superglue her lips and hands together in a matter of seconds, then kidnap and rape her. They always asked if any of us had guns, then asked if we could use them and how often we practiced shooting. They were advocates of gun ownership, saying nothing else was as reliable, and even talked about what kind of guns are good for home defense (and brought the guns along to show, including a Mossberg shotgun). They pointed out that in most home invasions, you don't even have time to dial 911 and that even a burglar can get to your bedroom long before the cops can get there. Of course, they also give useful tips on how you can burglar-proof your home and practice situational awareness in public. Frankly, they scare the bejeebers out of you, and it helps that these are former LEOs telling you to get a gun and learn how to use it. 8) Along these lines, you might try the shock approach. I had a friend who said to me, "I couldn't have guns in my house. I have children." I said, "Oh my God! If I had children these days, I'd have to have a gun in my house!" When she looked at me in surprise, I pointed out that she had a teenage daughter and said, "You know what happens to girls in home invasions! Can you imagine being forced to watch your teenage daughter beaten and gang-raped?! Just picture that for a moment! And that one case where even the little boy was gang-raped! Or that one [told to us by the Security group above] where the little girl was forced to perform oral sex on her father! I could never, ever, ever forgive myself if I let that happen to my children! I mean, your kids look to you to take care of them and protect them, you know? And you'd let that happen to them!" She looked at me funny for a moment and said, "Jesus! I see your point...I hadn't thought of it that way. I don't know...maybe if I was more familiar with guns, but you're right...you know the cops wouldn't get there in time." I still haven't been able to get her to go shooting with me, though. 9) Just do it, but don't take the money out of your mutual budget. Sell something or rely on your own financial resources. If you just take $500 out of the budget, expect her to do the same. Then sleep with one eye open... As my husband says to men about to get in trouble with their wives, "Remember, there's one of her and only one of you..." Good luck!

BellevueBully | 12-06-2008 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1451192) Time to be the man of the house. Tell here you are getting a revolver and that it is final. Why does she not want a gun? Is it a logical reason? Or just ignorant emotion? To close the deal: Go to Harbor Freight....pay $50 and buy an electronic keypad safe like you would find in a hotel. Bolt this safe to the floor or to studs in your wall....I suggest putting it in your bedroom...or bedroom closet....use a simple code that can be opened in the dark....like bottom left corner buttons or something similar.....keep pistol in safe loaded and ready to go. If she can't accept this ....tell here to piss off and do it anyway.....at some point you need to make a stand ....even if your wife is stupid and makes poor decisions. There can be no argument against this situation...other than the total cost of the system...probably under $500 total. Get the safe.....it ends all arguments for $50...and they are very nice and secure.....only way I know of to have a geun ready to go in a matter of seconds....short of being on your person 100% of the time....in the end, she will feel better having one ...even if she will bot admit it. Sorry to be offensive...but that is how it has to be....at least if it were my home/wife.
I'm with Rup. My woman didn't want chickens in the back yard. Basically it came down to me saying.....'take a few days and sort out your thoughts on it, and if you have a reasonable explaination, I will be more than willing to consider your pov. If the answer is 'I don't want chickens', my answer will be too f'n bad.....the chickens are going in!" BTW, she's over it.

George Orwell | 12-06-2008 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Erika (Post 1452647) Your avatar is Family Guy and his Idiot Son brandishing pistols and you ask us here why your wife does not respect you? What woman would?
Easy... Don't get so hostile. He is trying to look out for his family, and asks us for advice so as to avoid further argument with his wife. If you had a husband, wouldn't you want him to at least be capable of defending you?

BellevueBully | 12-06-2008 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Erika (Post 1452647) Your avatar is Family Guy and his Idiot Son brandishing pistols and you ask us here why your wife does not respect you? What woman would?
You would disrespect a fellow for his choice in avatar?? Seems shallow. I also don't know where he stated his wife did not respect him. I also see you have 7 posts.......are you the author to the book How To Win Friends and Influence People.......nice entrance.

Lt Dan | 12-06-2008 03:56 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Maddie, I just love it when you talk dirty! All that talk of M1A's and Swedish Mausers got me all excited. LOL!

morganchaser | 12-06-2008 03:56 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against You are married to this woman and you didn't know the answer before you asked? She's not your mother, you don't ask permission unless you want to get walked on, which I think you did which is why you asked and didn't just do it. Either that or you lost some very important arguments at some point in your marriage. Marriage finances are simple. -Shared account -Separate accounts. Shared expenses are taken care of by the shared account. Everything else goes to separate accounts. Which are to be used totally unilaterally. If she doesn't have a job: If you have kids: start paying her half the disposable income. If you don't have kids: she needs to get a part time job. Credit card debt is a different matter which is why I suspect that you are even asking permission is that you don't actually have any disposable income. The solution to that problem is wait until she wants to buy something of equal value and tell her no way except in exchange for the Shotgun.

Erika | 12-06-2008 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by George Orwell (Post 1452786) Easy... Don't get so hostile. He is trying to look out for his family, and asks us for advice so as to avoid further argument with his wife. If you had a husband, wouldn't you want him to at least be capable of defending you?
You label a rational question hostility? How can a husband be capable of defending his wife if he himself must seek advice from complete internet strangers "to avoid further argument with his wife" as you put it?

George Orwell | 12-06-2008 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Erika (Post 1453071) You label a rational question hostility? How can a husband be capable of defending his wife if he himself must seek advice from complete internet strangers "to avoid further argument with his wife" as you put it?
No, you are right... he should have had a gun to start with. But he respects his wife's opinion on guns... he is just trying to be a nice guy, and doesn't want to HAVE to tell his wife how it is. He was just seeking advice from some other members who have been in his shoes. I had guns before I got married, and I wouldn't have married someone who wouldn't trust me with a gun. I sensed hostility in your post because you asked why someone should respect him. It just came across as a tad hostile. You aren't an "anti-gunner" are you?

Elvis | 12-06-2008 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SWRichmond (Post 1452054) Men have no inherent responsibility to be the protectors of women. It is this attitude that allows women to be naive about personal protection....it makes it someone else's problem.
It's not based on sex. It's based on relationship. Spouses have a responsibility to protect one another. It comes from a duty to protect ones self that spreads to ones spouse. While I'm quite larger than the Mrs., the Mrs. is quite able to safeguard our home because of the ample amount of firepower available to her, plus an alarm system. When I leave town, I don't worry about her safety at home. I'm confounded by people who have the belief that there is some magic force in the universe that will protect them, when the responsibility is by default one's own.

Erika | 12-06-2008 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by George Orwell (Post 1453080) No, you are right... he should have had a gun to start with.
How can a man be expected to protect his family and home without one? :smile:

George Orwell | 12-06-2008 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Erika (Post 1453102) How can a man be expected to protect his family and home without one? :smile:
Ok then... LOL We are on the same page. :ok:

George Orwell | 12-06-2008 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SAUM (Post 1452532) I had a simple minded epiphany last night. Have your dad buy you one for Christmas.
That's a great option. :ok: What can she say to that?

electric-amish | 12-06-2008 07:44 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Practice this Women of the house----(PAUSE FOR EFFECT) hand me some bullets after you make me a Sandwich. E-A

latemetal | 12-06-2008 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1451249) Maybe in your household but not in mines Out of respect to my spouse I will make her AWARE of my desicion but it will be a cold day in hell before I have to ASK for permission Last time I checked my mother doesn't tuck me into bed anymore. Bottom line as the man of the house YOU are the very last line of defense For you not to have the tools to defend your home and loved ones you are an affront to your creator and not a true man in my eyes and I will have no problem telling him this to his face Arm yourself...............she will get over it. T
and that is something everybody needs to understand, the firearm is the last line of defense. The rings of defense start with your selection of where you choose to live, where your property line is, what kind of lighting is around your house, how good are your locks and alarm system, what type of pets, and lastly what type of firearms you keep and how they are kept.:s15: A long time ago I bought a book by Masaad Ayoob titled "The truth about self defense", very good reading. Take your lady to weapons classes and make sure she learns to shoot.:36_1_30: Then remember, she knows how to use a gun, be good to her.:36_1_25:

Desert Fox | 12-06-2008 11:33 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Keep in mind, that a gun is no good to anyone, if it is in a closet, garage, attic, or locked safe. If you wake up, and find someone standing at the foot of your bed, are you going to ask them to wait a minute, while you go get your gun, and load it, because you kept the gun, and bullets stored in a safe place?

George Orwell | 12-06-2008 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Desert Fox (Post 1453435) Keep in mind, that a gun is no good to anyone, if it is in a closet, garage, attic, or locked safe. If you wake up, and find someone standing at the foot of your bed, are you going to ask them to wait a minute, while you go get your gun, and load it, because you kept the gun, and bullets stored in a safe place?
Very true. A gun to defend your family should be a no compromise issue.

creep276 | 12-06-2008 11:41 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against thats a pretty hardcore crime Teen rapists take plea deal Trio sentenced to 25-30 years in jail for actions By Jamie Satterfield (Contact) Tuesday, November 25, 2008 http://media.knoxnews.com/kns/conten...han1e_t220.jpg J. MILES CARY Michael L. McMahan http://media.knoxnews.com/kns/conten...age1e_t220.jpg J. MILES CARY Shavon D. Page Editor's note: An earlier version of this story incorrectly identified Tracie Nicole Bennett. Her husband bound and bleeding, the woman did not rage at the teenage gunmen. She mothered them. "I talked to both of you the whole time," a woman who was forced to perform oral sex on a trio of home invaders while her husband was made at gunpoint to watch told two of her assailants Monday. "I talked to you about the people you love. You asked me about my family, my children, and you still raped me." The woman recounted how she grew nauseous as Shavon D. Page pointed a gun at her head during the rape. "He made the statement if you throw up, I'll blow your head off," Assistant District Attorney General Phil Morton told Knox County Criminal Court Judge Bob McGee. "You laughed," the woman told Page. "You asked my husband how he felt. You wanted to take my husband's manhood from him. You wanted to defile my marriage bed." Page and Michael L. McMahan, both 18, were standing trial Monday on charges ranging from especially aggravated kidnapping to aggravated rape to aggravated robbery. A third suspect in the June 2007 invasion of the couple's River Shores Drive home, Dameion S. Nolan, 18, was poised to testify against them, having pleaded guilty earlier this year for a 25-year prison term. Instead, the pair took plea deals. Page, the ringleader, will spend 30 years behind bars; McMahan, 25. The trio of teenagers broke into the home, pistol-whipped the husband, bound the couple, raped the woman and stole credit cards, bank cards and a coin collection. McMahan's mother, Tracie Nicole Bennett, pleaded guilty Monday to pawning a diamond cross pendant her son gave her after the crime. He had stolen it from his rape victim. Bennett faces a Jan. 29 hearing. Jamie Satterfield may be reached at 865-342-6308.

George Orwell | 12-06-2008 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by creep276 (Post 1453443) thats a pretty hardcore crime Teen rapists take plea deal Trio sentenced to 25-30 years in jail for actions By Jamie Satterfield (Contact) Tuesday, November 25, 2008 http://media.knoxnews.com/kns/conten...han1e_t220.jpg J. MILES CARY Michael L. McMahan http://media.knoxnews.com/kns/conten...age1e_t220.jpg J. MILES CARY Shavon D. Page Editor's note: An earlier version of this story incorrectly identified Tracie Nicole Bennett. Her husband bound and bleeding, the woman did not rage at the teenage gunmen. She mothered them. "I talked to both of you the whole time," a woman who was forced to perform oral sex on a trio of home invaders while her husband was made at gunpoint to watch told two of her assailants Monday. "I talked to you about the people you love. You asked me about my family, my children, and you still raped me." The woman recounted how she grew nauseous as Shavon D. Page pointed a gun at her head during the rape. "He made the statement if you throw up, I'll blow your head off," Assistant District Attorney General Phil Morton told Knox County Criminal Court Judge Bob McGee. "You laughed," the woman told Page. "You asked my husband how he felt. You wanted to take my husband's manhood from him. You wanted to defile my marriage bed." Page and Michael L. McMahan, both 18, were standing trial Monday on charges ranging from especially aggravated kidnapping to aggravated rape to aggravated robbery. A third suspect in the June 2007 invasion of the couple's River Shores Drive home, Dameion S. Nolan, 18, was poised to testify against them, having pleaded guilty earlier this year for a 25-year prison term. Instead, the pair took plea deals. Page, the ringleader, will spend 30 years behind bars; McMahan, 25. The trio of teenagers broke into the home, pistol-whipped the husband, bound the couple, raped the woman and stole credit cards, bank cards and a coin collection. McMahan's mother, Tracie Nicole Bennett, pleaded guilty Monday to pawning a diamond cross pendant her son gave her after the crime. He had stolen it from his rape victim. Bennett faces a Jan. 29 hearing. Jamie Satterfield may be reached at 865-342-6308.
I better not comment on this or I may get banned. But to the original poster, show your wife the quoted article and if she still refuses to have a gun in the house, it may be time to re-evaluate your marriage. Some women would rather get raped than shoot an intruder.... I, for one, could not be married to such a woman. The "firearm argument" with your wife should be a non-issue. You need to sit her down and let her know the importance of you having a tool with which to defend your family.

elroy | 12-07-2008 12:30 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Next time you hear a "bump" in the night at 3am, tell her to get her ass out of bed and go see what it is. Seriously I have a hard time believing guys have problems like this. To many women don't understand the risks they face. They have never met the kind of people that would rape and kill for fun. They have never met the kind of people that would kill her children just to watch her reaction. Go get your gun while you still can. If she leaves you over this, you didn't lose much. When I was a teenager some friends of mine experienced a home invasion. Three brothers, a step brother and the mother/step-mother were all laid on the floor and were shot in the head with a shotgun. The woman survived, all 4 boys died. Google "Hollandsburg murders". There wasn't even a real reason for the murders. The killers did it for a thrill and stole a jar of pennies afterwards. If this type of crime comes to my house I'm not going down without a fight.

platinumdude | 12-07-2008 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Desert Fox (Post 1453435) Keep in mind, that a gun is no good to anyone, if it is in a closet, garage, attic, or locked safe. If you wake up, and find someone standing at the foot of your bed, are you going to ask them to wait a minute, while you go get your gun, and load it, because you kept the gun, and bullets stored in a safe place?
That is why I have an alarm set with motion sensors and locked inner doors. No one will sneak up on me.

Tallships | 12-07-2008 12:51 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against You could also tell her you took her advice and so instead of a gun, you bought a rifle.

mk3hunter | 12-07-2008 02:46 AM
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Most of the folks here saying 'just do it', etc... are either single, not happily married, or think they are, but have no communication with their spouse, or are sitting in front of their computer in their boxers jackin their pistols. Being a man is more than 'just doing it'. It's having respect for your spouse.....now, having said that, if your talks fail, then I'd suggest 'just do it' but at least she'll know.
LOL For the most part this is a bullshit statement. If she is a flaming lib (and I have meet many that are married) My only answer is "Good Luck" you married her.

StrawMan=Corporation | 12-07-2008 02:50 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against They got off light, I would have killed them both if given the chance. Quote:
Originally Posted by creep276 (Post 1453443) thats a pretty hardcore crime Teen rapists take plea deal Trio sentenced to 25-30 years in jail for actions By Jamie Satterfield (Contact) Tuesday, November 25, 2008 http://media.knoxnews.com/kns/conten...han1e_t220.jpg J. MILES CARY Michael L. McMahan http://media.knoxnews.com/kns/conten...age1e_t220.jpg J. MILES CARY Shavon D. Page Editor's note: An earlier version of this story incorrectly identified Tracie Nicole Bennett. Her husband bound and bleeding, the woman did not rage at the teenage gunmen. She mothered them. "I talked to both of you the whole time," a woman who was forced to perform oral sex on a trio of home invaders while her husband was made at gunpoint to watch told two of her assailants Monday. "I talked to you about the people you love. You asked me about my family, my children, and you still raped me." The woman recounted how she grew nauseous as Shavon D. Page pointed a gun at her head during the rape. "He made the statement if you throw up, I'll blow your head off," Assistant District Attorney General Phil Morton told Knox County Criminal Court Judge Bob McGee. "You laughed," the woman told Page. "You asked my husband how he felt. You wanted to take my husband's manhood from him. You wanted to defile my marriage bed." Page and Michael L. McMahan, both 18, were standing trial Monday on charges ranging from especially aggravated kidnapping to aggravated rape to aggravated robbery. A third suspect in the June 2007 invasion of the couple's River Shores Drive home, Dameion S. Nolan, 18, was poised to testify against them, having pleaded guilty earlier this year for a 25-year prison term. Instead, the pair took plea deals. Page, the ringleader, will spend 30 years behind bars; McMahan, 25. The trio of teenagers broke into the home, pistol-whipped the husband, bound the couple, raped the woman and stole credit cards, bank cards and a coin collection. McMahan's mother, Tracie Nicole Bennett, pleaded guilty Monday to pawning a diamond cross pendant her son gave her after the crime. He had stolen it from his rape victim. Bennett faces a Jan. 29 hearing. Jamie Satterfield may be reached at 865-342-6308.

Maddie | 12-07-2008 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Lt Dan (Post 1452906) Maddie, I just love it when you talk dirty! All that talk of M1A's and Swedish Mausers got me all excited. LOL!
Yeah, big guns get me excited, too. :rofl:

Twisted Avatar | 12-07-2008 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by igorthesmall (Post 1451924) Glocks dont malfunction! :bull-smile:
Glocks that are cleaned (like every firearm should) dont malfuction. :ok: T

jetgraphics | 12-08-2008 03:52 AM
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Lt Dan | 12-08-2008 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics (Post 1454804) BEST ARGUMENT FOR GUNS: http://www.friendsoftibet.org/main/execution.html Warning ! This site has graphic depiction of execution of women who opposed China's benign rule of Tibet
Wonder what the crimes were.:puke: This, however, is the kind of brain washing the military used on us to convince us to kill commies. so, the crimes must have been something horrible, like capitalism or having too many kids, who knows? Fact is, even if the folks in Tibet had the means to fight back the result would probably have been the same, just some of 'them=military' might have been killed in the process. :Surrender: Come and take them if you can!

Wulfenite | 12-08-2008 09:55 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Great post Maddie! You could also move to another country and this wouldn't even be a issue since -- wait I think starting 21st January our newly elected US officials will TRY to take all our firearms and/or ammo and reloading components......getting off track now.......

pastexperience | 12-08-2008 11:29 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against You have to think outside the box on this one. Have a freind(disguised) frantically bang on the door at 3:00 AM for a few minutes and then leave. Also mention the recent home invasions that have exploded all over NA in the last few years. It will scare the S**T out of her, and presto you have the gun.

Maxine | 12-08-2008 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Lt Dan (Post 1454966) Wonder what the crimes were.:puke: This, however, is the kind of brain washing the military used on us to convince us to kill commies. so, the crimes must have been something horrible, like capitalism or having too many kids, who knows? Fact is, even if the folks in Tibet had the means to fight back the result would probably have been the same, just some of 'them=military' might have been killed in the process. :Surrender: Come and take them if you can!
Crimes were probably having a picture of the Dalai Lama in the livingroom.

goldgun | 12-08-2008 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics (Post 1454804) BEST ARGUMENT FOR GUNS: http://www.friendsoftibet.org/main/execution.html Warning ! This site has graphic depiction of execution of women who opposed China's benign rule of Tibet
If our government is what they pretend to be how could they allow us to support such behavior? We support this behavior through buying products from China. Our government and media is hiding this from the people because they don't want the gears of capitalism coming to a screaching halt. I will try my hardest to not buy Chinese products anymore. If I did I would be condoning such behavior. What an awakening moment those pictures are.

rhoggman | 12-08-2008 02:50 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I really hate to be the guy that everyone thinks is "throwback" to a time when we were less civilized, but you are a man, and she is a woman. If she takes a hike because you lay down the law (in a reasonable loving fashion), then it would seem to me she needs to go find another woman to dominate, or you need to start being a man for a change. The way it works with the mother of my children is she lives in "MY HOUSE", if she doesn't like the way things are going she can always move to "HER HOUSE". Personally I just cannot be lorded over when it comes to certain things. Guns is one of those things.... the color of the living room is not. Ruling out guns is like ruling out your ability to protect and feed your family in a time of need. What is your address? I'll keep it on my list of places to visit when I run out food.:36_3_16:

bkreigh | 12-08-2008 05:16 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against i was kind of in the same situation as you vector. My ol lady is not a fan of guns. However, she doesn't care what i spend my money on and i dont care what she spends her money on. I told her a couple months ago i was in the market for a gun. She told me she didnt like them and asked me why i wanted one. I simply said because of Obama. :D Anyway my boss had a buddy selling an SKS and i jumped on it. I brought it home one day and said "How do you like my gun." she rolled her eyes. A couple weeks later i brought home a mossberg 500 and said "What about this one?" Needless to say it the 500 is by our bed unload but i have 5 shells sitting next to it. SKS is 10 steps away from me now with 18 stripper clips ready to be loaded into it. I wish it would warm up so i could go to the range. She doesn't even know they are there anymore.

Maximus | 12-08-2008 05:24 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Take her shooting. She has no idea what she's talking about as she probably has no experience in the area.

latemetal | 12-08-2008 06:19 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Children versus no children households, none in my house, so mossberg 20 gauge safety off, locked on empty chamber, 4 shells in magazine and a loaded 38 by bed. When nieces and nephews visit, everything goes unloaded and under lock and keys, baseball bats and maglite flashlights are around.:23_31_2:

Juristic Person | 12-08-2008 06:42 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1450993) I need some help here. I've wanted to get a shotgun for the house. Been looking at the Remington 870 Tactical...I like the short barrel or the Saiga 12 because it's semi-auto. Anyway, every time I bring this up, my wife freaks out and tells me "there's no way I'll letting you bring a gun into this house." Someone, ANYONE, if you've had this issue and overcome, please chime in. I really want her to agree to this. She cares to know nothing of what's going on in the world and looks at me like I'm crazy when I talk about financial markets and where we're heading. "I told you so" isn't going to cut it after this debate is over. Thanks! PS: I searched but didn't really come up with anything.
I had that discussion with my wife BEFORE I married her. .

CyberGold | 12-08-2008 06:43 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1451014) One of her hang ups is, her shoulder was injured a while back and she's got limited range of motion. Wouldn't be able to hold a shotgun, but I was thinking of a small caliber handgun that would be fired with one hand for her. Maybe I should stage a break-in on my own house :4_8_4v::SLEEP::36_1_25: LOL
You should see my GF send coffee cans into the air shooting 00 from the hip at 25yd. She too has an old shoulder injury/bursitus and cant hold the shotgun up to her shoulder for very long so she learned to hip shoot. She also got her CCW and carries most of the time but she still won't have anything to do with my AR - cant figure that one out.:thumb.aspx:

CyberGold | 12-08-2008 07:10 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1451336) We have an agreement to consult each other on any purchase greater than $200 with the exception of groceries. I think it's fair and it works for us. This may turn into the second exception.
There is your answer - find a private sale used gun for $199 or less - I have gotten some decent used shotguns for 100-150. A savage 67-D would be good - have the barrel cut to 18 1/4" by a gunsmith and install a tru-glo fiber optic sight and a laser.

vector03 | 12-09-2008 09:49 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Update: So we spoke last night. Her biggest thing is she's never been around a gun let alone held one. One of her concerns is one of us accidentally shooting the other. The other is the possibility of the gun being taken away from her during a home invasion because of her shoulder injury. Just to remind everyone, she's got very limited mobility with her right arm which would only allow for hip shooting. Securing the gun was also a concern. I calmly and slowly presented many of the valid counter points brought up here to which she had nothing but emotional replies. I also told her we could probably find a small caliber pistol she would be able to shoot with little difficulty using her left hand....not really sure if that's true or not. After the emotions ran out (like many said would happen) she was open to the idea. I provided documentation and statistics on area crime and gun safety. She insisted in doing her own research. I promised her I wouldn't just go out and buy the gun, but she has until Friday to review/research the information presented to discuss this again this weekend. Thanks for the replies and I will update when I have more to comment on. Deep down she's a very rational, intelligent person. Damn emotions!

CyberGold | 12-09-2008 10:13 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Good Job, looks like you are employing a sensible approach that will result in agreement and avoiding future conflict over the decision. You might consider a second gun up front - a 22 revolver that will help with training and confidence and that will be less intimidating, less noise, ceaper to practice with and then whatever you choose as the primary defensive gun. With proper shot placement the 22 can be a backup defense gun also. I also suggest a gun safety course, which I'm sure you already brought up in your discussion. Be careful when going to a public range -there are a LOT of things that other people around you will do, mostly in ignorance or gun handling, that are dangerous to everyone in their area - mainly because they were never instructed on gun safety and range manners. They will sweep the muzzel in your direction and wave guns around trying to clear a jam. They will carry them from place to place with no regard to where they are pointent or where their finger is...(they may know its unloaded but you won't). Go on a slow day when there are fewer people.

Worldmariner | 12-10-2008 02:08 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by Elvis (Post 1451004) Either require her to be the person who responds to an armed intruder and tell him that he's not bringing a gun into the house, or allow you to be the protector of the home in a manner that will give you a fair fight against an armed intruder. Showing her what the threat really is, and how she's throwing you to the wolves unarmed as you live up to your responsibility to protect your wife and your home may have a positive effect. http://www.spotcrime.com/ As for me, I married an armed woman...
WELL SAID!

Elvis | 12-10-2008 10:01 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Good news Vector. Sounds like she is willing to work with you. One thought is to find a good local instructor to help her out. If she's learned to compensate a bit, she may be a decent shot off handed, and there are some decent reload tricks as well. Offering to take a class with her may get her confident that you won't shoot her, and vice versa. And resolve some of her storage questions.

ruprick | 12-10-2008 11:35 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against It is difficult to impossible to take a hammerless shubby revolver away from someone without getting shot. There is nothing to grab....no leverage...and so short you will likely still be able to shoot the person grabbing the pistol....at least in their hand if nothing else...they will let go.

ruprick | 12-10-2008 11:38 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by latemetal (Post 1455852) Children versus no children households, none in my house, so mossberg 20 gauge safety off, locked on empty chamber, 4 shells in magazine and a loaded 38 by bed. When nieces and nephews visit, everything goes unloaded and under lock and keys, baseball bats and maglite flashlights are around.:23_31_2:
Unless you unload an hide ammo or ues a trigger lock everytime you leave....this is a formula to get shot with your own gun when you return home and a robber is there with your gun.... Perhaps you take the revolver when you leave....

Agfinger | 12-12-2008 05:33 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1450993) I need some help here. I've wanted to get a shotgun for the house. Been looking at the Remington 870 Tactical...I like the short barrel or the Saiga 12 because it's semi-auto. Anyway, every time I bring this up, my wife freaks out and tells me "there's no way I'll letting you bring a gun into this house." Someone, ANYONE, if you've had this issue and overcome, please chime in. I really want her to agree to this. She cares to know nothing of what's going on in the world and looks at me like I'm crazy when I talk about financial markets and where we're heading.
It sounds to me like your problems with "convincing" her about the 870 are of a far smaller priority than the larger issues... And that issue is that you sir, are not the man of the house, she is... It's tough to swallow, but it's true and deep down you know it.... It sounds like she makes the rules, sets the standards and dares you to cross her. I would NEVER, repeat N E V E R have married a woman like that... I have been married to a fairly strong willed woman for 20 years and I'll be DAMNED if she tells me what I can bring in this house. Asking for advice on here about your problem is like Bonnie and Clyde asking for band-aids...:452::452::452::452::452::452::452:

EE_ | 12-12-2008 05:53 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by Agfinger (Post 1463133) I have been married to a fairly strong willed woman for 20 years and I'll be DAMNED if she tells me what I can bring in this house.
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rogold | 12-12-2008 06:49 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1456753) Update: So we spoke last night. Her biggest thing is she's never been around a gun let alone held one. One of her concerns is one of us accidentally shooting the other. The other is the possibility of the gun being taken away from her during a home invasion because of her shoulder injury. Just to remind everyone, she's got very limited mobility with her right arm which would only allow for hip shooting. Securing the gun was also a concern. I calmly and slowly presented many of the valid counter points brought up here to which she had nothing but emotional replies. I also told her we could probably find a small caliber pistol she would be able to shoot with little difficulty using her left hand....not really sure if that's true or not. After the emotions ran out (like many said would happen) she was open to the idea. I provided documentation and statistics on area crime and gun safety. She insisted in doing her own research. I promised her I wouldn't just go out and buy the gun, but she has until Friday to review/research the information presented to discuss this again this weekend. Thanks for the replies and I will update when I have more to comment on. Deep down she's a very rational, intelligent person. Damn emotions!
Glad to hear, hope it goes the right way...

vector03 | 01-04-2009 09:05 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Well, after 3 weeks of no action on her part (she requested to do her own research) I started a fight tonight and won. She's now on board. The only thing she wants is a secure location to store the gun and ammo (which I had already planned for). I've changed my position and I'm getting a pistol. Think I'm going to get a Springfield 9mm UDM. My buddie just got one (that I've fired) and I really like it. Any thoughts on this gun? PS: Thanks for all the input!

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Silver Spoon | 01-04-2009 10:21 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1495244) Well, after 3 weeks of no action on her part (she requested to do her own research) I started a fight tonight and won. She's now on board. The only thing she wants is a secure location to store the gun and ammo (which I had already planned for). I've changed my position and I'm getting a pistol. Think I'm going to get a Springfield 9mm UDM. My buddie just got one (that I've fired) and I really like it. Any thoughts on this gun? PS: Thanks for all the input!
Good work. So she was anti-guns but unprepared to do anything more than just repeat anti-gun rhetoric? Buy a small safe for the room where the "magic" happens (aka bedroom) and a larger safe than you think you'll need for the "Armoury" (aka spare room aka in my household "my command bunker") Honestly - get a safe bigger than you think you'll need. I bought a 5 gun safe thinking that'd be plenty considering all I needed was 1x22lr 1xshotgun 1xcentrefire. I now have 8 rifles and want more :hissyfit_m:

latitude22 | 01-04-2009 10:23 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Put all the guns in a safe, then get a sign and put it in the lawn that says "If you are planning to rob me, please give me 120 seconds to open my gun safe." Figuring most bad guys will comply I have practiced opening my safe in less then 2 minutes.

CyberGold | 01-04-2009 10:23 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against What's a UDM ??? U Da Man ??? I recommend you look at the Springfield XD lineup.

vector03 | 01-05-2009 06:10 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against ^^^^^^ I meant to write XDM.

Nighthawk | 01-05-2009 06:29 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Quote:
Originally Posted by rogold (Post 1451017) let her read this story... http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/no...ake-plea-deal/ a woman who was forced to perform oral sex on a trio of home invaders while her husband was made at gunpoint to watch told two of her assailants Monday. "I talked to you about the people you love. You asked me about my family, my children, and you still raped me." I always thought that we Men are the Kings of the household and the Women are Queens... a King has the final word, be a king or become a victim
That story almost made me throw up. :puke:

rhoggman | 01-05-2009 05:06 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I recently purchased the Springfield XDM 9mm. 19 + 1 rounds of blazing glory. Sweet Trigger (Single Action only). Perfect for Home Defense, although for the kind of money your are going to spend on it you could have multiple weapons. You could buy a brand new Mossberg 500, and a nice used revolver/ handgun for the $650, you are going to spend on the SA XDM. If FTF transfers are legal in your state, and you have that much money to spend, but have no guns I would definately buy used and buy more. If money doesn't matter buy the XDM cause it is f'n sweet and you will love having 20 rounds to throw down range.

rhoggman | 01-05-2009 05:11 PM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I recently purchased the Springfield XDM 9mm. 19 + 1 rounds of blazing glory. Sweet Trigger (Single Action only). Perfect for Home Defense, although for the kind of money you are going to spend on it you could have multiple weapons. You could buy a brand new Mossberg 500, and a nice used revolver/ handgun for the $650, you are going to spend on the SA XDM. If FTF transfers are legal in your state, and you have that much money to spend, but have no guns I would definately buy used and buy more. If money doesn't matter buy the XDM cause it is f'n sweet and you will love having 20 rounds to throw down range.

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vector03 | 01-06-2009 06:18 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against I figured for my first gun I want to buy new. I haven't the experience or technical eye to buy used guns yet. I think the next purchase is going to be a rifle. I've got my eye on the Remington 700 VTR. Any comments on this rifle? Leaning towards .308 model. Quote:
A fusion of our most advanced performance features in both tactical and varmint rifles, the new Model 700™ Varmint-Tactical Rifle (VTR™) is a revolutionary system optimized for extended-range precision and mobility. Its triangular barrel contour is a product of years of rigorous research and development focused on reducing weight, enhancing rigidity and promoting rapid heat dissipation. To decrease recoil and muzzle jump, this uniquely contoured 22" barrel has an integral muzzle brake that’s machined-in during production. Along with the new barrel design, we brought together a host of other cutting-edge features on our super accurate Model 700 platform. The results are nothing short of astounding.
http://www.remington.com/images/prod...00_vtr_780.jpg http://www.remington.com/images/prod...0_vtr_grip.jpg http://www.remington.com/images/prod...uzzlebreak.jpg http://www.remington.com/images/prod...vtr_barrel.jpg

madfranks | 01-06-2009 09:28 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against It seems like a lot of people are giving you crap for "not being a man" because you want your wife's understanding and support in this. Having been through this myself I think you're going about it right by trying to honor your wife as much as you can. I think you'll be the better for it in the future. Also, just FYI, while my wife was very against guns way back when, she has since come almost full circle; I have finally convinced her to let me teach her basic gun handling and safety, to take her to the range, and to give her the code to the gun safe by the bed (which - to latitude22 - I can open in less than 30 seconds!). We've gone from the gun being an outrage, to accepted, to understood, to desired for protection. It took over a year, but hopefully your wife will understand sooner than later, and eventually the gun and everything with it will become the norm and it won't bug her as much.

vector03 | 01-07-2009 05:22 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against Well it's done. My application with the state is in and the XDM 9mm is paid for. Will have it in a week. Here's the kit. Also comes with a rebate for 2 free mags from Springfield. http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l5...7/IMG_0745.jpg

Mike C | 01-07-2009 11:04 AM
Re: Want to buy gun...wife VERY against ^^^NICE! I wouldn't mind having an XDm just to have, but I will wait until later this year when the hype is died down and I can by a used one for under $400. I think there will be a lot of guns getting dumped as the economy continues to spiral downward. Not from most of us like minded people here, but the little old ladies and families that buy that single gun thinking they need it now, later realizing that feeding their families is more important.

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