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RoadKing | 11-27-2008 07:41 PM
Pistol Laser Sight I was wondering what you folks think about adding a laser sight to a pistol? Any good recommendations? Green / Red beam? Mount etc..... What are opinions on the Armalaser RSS style B? Have a good Turkey Day.

SilverCity | 11-27-2008 08:22 PM
Re: Pistol Laser Sight I am not a fan of lasers on pistols, the stuff of Hollywood. For play maybe or at least mounted on a carbine where beam can be held steadier--but not for serious gunfights involving pistols. Trying to find that dot when you should be focused on the front sight can lose you precious seconds. Most red lasers are not really strong enough for daylight conditions, better for indoors or nighttime. I understand the new green ones are better for all lighting conditions.

Maple Leaf Steve | 11-27-2008 08:29 PM
Re: Pistol Laser Sight I have Crimson Trace Laser Grips on my pistols and LUV THEM! They are a Top Notch Product! MLS

Irons | 11-27-2008 08:47 PM
Re: Pistol Laser Sight Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple Leaf Steve (Post 1438230) I have Crimson Trace Laser Grips on my pistols and LUV THEM! They are a Top Notch Product! MLS
Same, full wrap around Crimson Trace on a 686 SW revolver and my 1911 10mm. They are top quality and work way better than I had ever expected.:RockOn: As soon as they are available for my HK 45 they will be on that too!

Maddie | 11-27-2008 10:40 PM
Re: Pistol Laser Sight I'm planning to get Crimson Trace sights on one of my pistols soon. I just need to decide which one. It's a toss-up right now between one of the 1911s, which I've considered my home defense pistol, and the new S&W 642 I got last month, which may become my go-to gun in case of a home invasion. My sister and brother-in-law and I were talking about chipping in to get my mother Crimson Trace sites for her new gun as a Christmas present, too. I've been researching laser sights, and Crimson Trace seems to be the one to get. I'm glad to hear several of you say you like them. My thinking is that while laser sights are probably minimally useful in daylight or in a protracted gun fight, they would give the shooter an advantage in dealing with the confusion and less than ideal shooting conditions of a night-time home invasion. For my mother, who has only recently begun to shoot and isn't as familiar with shooting or her gun yet as many long-time shooters would be, it might make all the difference in the world for her to be able to know when she's on target.

FireMattMillen | 11-27-2008 11:07 PM
Re: Pistol Laser Sight I picked up one at Cabela's a few months ago for my dad's birthday. I forget the exact name, but I do remember thinking at the time that the prices on their pistol laser sights were slightly better than the prices online (which I think is unusual for gun-related items).

Texan | 11-27-2008 11:25 PM
Re: Pistol Laser Sight I'm wary of batteries on guns. Forget the Buck Rogers stuff. Blatant ripoff of Boston T.

TUMS | 11-28-2008 09:18 AM
Re: Pistol Laser Sight I agree with silver city. The Crimson Trace I bought for the Sig P229 was a waste of money in my opinion. Not good for daytime use at all. The only way I would recommend getting one is if it's on your CCW gun, that you would be carrying a lot at night.

RoadKing | 11-28-2008 09:29 AM
Re: Pistol Laser Sight Well, my thinking and the reason for the question is this..... I thought it'd be a great way to be able to target practice.....in other words, one could learn the feel/position of the gun without necessarily taking time to sight the gun. My thinking was to raise pistol to shooting position, but instead of taking time to fully/completely sight, it could be done via muscle memory by using the laser sights in body mass of target. Is this stinkin thinkin or does it have some merit to it? Remember I've never shot a pistol before..... Thanks, RK

Sagi | 11-28-2008 09:30 AM
Re: Pistol Laser Sight Had a friend who put a laser on his Sig P226. It was too bulky and slowed his draw and within a couple of weeks the nostalgia had worn out. At the end of the day scouple of commonsense factors. 1. Most encounters happen within a distance of 7 meters. 2. If the other guy has his gun out the percentage for you to shoot first drop dramatically. 3. At the above distanes its a point and shoot first and if you have been practicing you will get the objective which is not to be on the recieveing end. I had a p99 walther 9mm. Most guys criticised it but at up to 15 meters I was good with it. Within 12 meters an instant shot will be a body hit and a slight aim in a smooth draw would get a head shot in 3 rounds. the toher two were in the heart area. Within 7 just point and shoot and dont stop till the $%$^ goes down. The goverment withdrew my license 2 years ago and so my pet languishes witht he dealer gathering dust. SAGI

meatman | 11-28-2008 11:41 AM
Re: Pistol Laser Sight Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1438223) I am not a fan of lasers on pistols, the stuff of Hollywood. For play maybe or at least mounted on a carbine where beam can be held steadier--but not for serious gunfights involving pistols. Trying to find that dot when you should be focused on the front sight can lose you precious seconds. Most red lasers are not really strong enough for daylight conditions, better for indoors or nighttime. I understand the new green ones are better for all lighting conditions.
do you have a lot of gunfights:111:

SilverCity | 11-28-2008 11:48 AM
Re: Pistol Laser Sight No, but a local SWAT team leader once told me that entry teams don't even use lasers on their carbines anymore. Seems when they enter a building, no one can tell whose red dot belongs to whom. Not practical in a combat situation.

RoadKing | 11-28-2008 12:16 PM
Re: Pistol Laser Sight Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1438789) No, but a local SWAT team leader once told me that entry teams don't even use lasers on their carbines anymore. Seems when they enter a building, no one can tell whose red dot belongs to whom. Not practical in a combat situation.
Silver, I'm a noob, but that seems very disturbing. I mean I always thought a laser sight was an accessory, at best. I mean if these professionals got to depending on it and didn't even know where they were aiming vs. their laser.....That is some what hard for this beginners beginner to fathom. Just an opinion, RK

Roland30 | 11-28-2008 12:18 PM
Re: Pistol Laser Sight One issue I have with the laser sights is you cannot ID a person with them in the dark. A flashlight is better, however if its mounted to your pistol you would automaticly need to point the muzzle "to" ID a potential target... My wife would skin me alive for crossing her with the business end of my handgun (as an example) There are techniques to have a compact flashlight with the butt cap intermittent switch used with your pistol to not only provide target illumination and instant identification but for it to be safe as well. Nobody wants a blue on blue incedent.

koyaanisqatsi | 11-28-2008 01:06 PM
Re: Pistol Laser Sight I have a Remington 870 with short barrel and 7-round magazine. It wears either a Speed-Feed pistol grip stock in full-size stock which I can aim well INSTINCTIVELY -- or else a short simple pistol-grip only. I bought a shotgun-magazine-tube mount for a red-laser sight, ONLY to use in conjunction with the pistol-grip, not the full-size stock. It is a high-grade chinese version laser. It sits up front right alongside the hi-power flashlight mount to illuminate and ID the perp. With a pistol I can use a flashlight in one hand and simultaneously aim pistol in the other, not so the pistol-grip 12ga shotgun, so a weapon's light is potentially very important on the shotgun, not so much needed with the pistol. It has minimal real utility IMO ... but it offers PRACTICE reinforcement to my 'aiming' to prove to me it is on target ONLY with the pistol-grip, since I have poor instinctive aiming while shooting from the hip so I point the shotgun at an object using instinct and then switch-on the laser with a finger touch, just to check how accurate my instinctive pointing really is and slowly 'train to aim' here INSIDE my home If ever tell a man to "freeze -- hands up!" with my short pistol grip only shotgun... it might be used for intimidation, or to prove to him and me beyond a shadow of a doubt he is covered and center-patterned, and I will not hit a bystander potentially alongside. I just had a college physics course and I asked my professor how a laser of the same wattage in green is 'brighter' than one in red. He said the green laser is not really any 'brighter' but the human retina is actually a lot more 'sensitive' to green light than red light, so it appears much brighter, especially when flooded by surrounding reddish daylight spectrum of sunlight. Green light is a shorter wavelength and so has more 'energy' per lumen, much as X-rays penetrate deeper than Infra-red. Most gunfights are in low-light and a green laser costs much more not any advantage in low light anyway. I personally would not get a laser or a weapon's light for a pistol. I can aim a pistol with the pistol's sights, or somewhat fast and instinctively, not so with the pistol-gripped 12ga... Even with the shotgun I can never get used to using it to aim and looking back I wonder if it is very useful on my pistol-grip-shotgun, but it is MY OPTION now to light up the aim-point on the target for whatever purpose. I spent about $40 on Ebay and the laser works fine but it's large, and people often joke me about needing it. They should just see me shoot doves... with a full-size stock! But that trained skill goes out the window with a pistol-grip-only shotgun... My experience and OPINION on lasers only.

Fullpower | 11-28-2008 06:38 PM
Re: Pistol Laser Sight TRITIUM illuminated front sight works very well for serious dark work.

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