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Merlin | 05-27-2009 01:07 PM
Gun control by the IRS? I just received the following in an email from Granny Warrior, Linda Hunnicut: "Senate Bill SB-2099 gun control via IRS? Yes! That's what they are doing...   GUN Control via IRS Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009   1040 federal tax form all guns that you have or own. It may require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun. This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law.   This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all. The full text of the proposed amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage, http://www.senate.gov/ You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number, SB-2099. " Anyone heard of this? If it's true, would you report honestly? Don't think I would, because firearm ownership has absolutely nothing to do with reporting my income.

Twisted Avatar | 05-27-2009 01:09 PM
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AOW | 05-27-2009 01:13 PM
Re: Gun control by the IRS? The IRS is Going to Require All Firearms to be Listed on Income Tax Returns-Fiction! Summary of eRumor: This story is that Congress is considering legislation that will require all firearms that a person owns be listed on that person's personal income tax return. Additionally, it may require fingerprints and tax of $50 per gun. This is said to be in SB2099, a bill in the United States Senate. The Truth: This is either a misreading of the actual bill or an intentional misrepresentation of it. SB2099 is known as the "Handgun Safety and Registration Act of 2000." As of this writing, it has not been passed into law and gun-control opponents say it probably won't be. TruthOrFiction.com has reviewed some of the history and the text of the bill as well as a portion of the IRS code it seeks to amend. The bill would amend the National Firearms Act (NFA) to require registration of handguns in the same way as machine guns and short-barrel weapons. That process would include photographs, background checks, fingerprinting, and restrictions on interstate transport. It would also require a $5 tax for transferring ownership and a $50 tax per gun on gunmakers. Nothing in the law requires gun owners to list their guns on their income tax returns. That confusion may come from the fact that the law refers to the Internal Revenue Service, but only because the act it seeks to amend, the NFA, is a part of the Internal Revenue Service Code. Also, there is language in the bill that refers to "return" information, but that isn't about personal income taxes. It is about a database of gun registration information which this bill would seek to allow law enforcement agencies to access online. http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/sb2099.htm Text of SB-2099 http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/sb2099text.htm

Silver Shield | 05-27-2009 01:13 PM
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CrufflerJJ | 05-27-2009 01:18 PM
Re: Gun control by the IRS? Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 1740945) I just received the following in an email from Granny Warrior, Linda Hunnicut: "Senate Bill SB-2099 gun control via IRS? Yes! That's what they are doing...   GUN Control via IRS Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009   1040 federal tax form all guns that you have or own. It may require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun. This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law.   This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all. The full text of the proposed amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage, http://www.senate.gov/ You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number, SB-2099. " Anyone heard of this? If it's true, would you report honestly? Don't think I would, because firearm ownership has absolutely nothing to do with reporting my income.
Bogus. BS. Email Spam. Not True. Rumor. See: http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar.../aa091900a.htm http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/taxreturns.asp

meatman | 05-27-2009 01:26 PM
Re: Gun control by the IRS? Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 1740945) I just received the following in an email from Granny Warrior, Linda Hunnicut: "Senate Bill SB-2099 gun control via IRS? Yes! That's what they are doing...   GUN Control via IRS Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009   1040 federal tax form all guns that you have or own. It may require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun. This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law.   This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all. The full text of the proposed amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage, http://www.senate.gov/ You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number, SB-2099. " Anyone heard of this? If it's true, would you report honestly? Don't think I would, because firearm ownership has absolutely nothing to do with reporting my income.
IRS can't even get me to report all my income how they hell are they going to get me to report my firearms

Merlin | 05-27-2009 02:01 PM
Re: Gun control by the IRS? OK, so the question then becomes, is the Granny Warrior, Linda Hunnicutt just a fear and rumor monger? She was a big-time Ron Paul supporter during the campaign; but that doesn't, by itself, make her legit. Anyone know anything at all about her? I got on her email list somehow (probably because of my donation to Dr. Paul's campaign) and I get hysterical stuff from her a couple of times a week from grannywarrior@gmail.com

Tn...Andy | 05-27-2009 02:11 PM
Re: Gun control by the IRS? Granny smoked too much weed in the 60's.

I am me, I am free | 05-27-2009 02:51 PM
Re: Gun control by the IRS? Firearms are in commerce and subject to regulation. Firearms are to guns what motor vehicles are to automobiles. So long as you use the term firearms you are subject to regulation. Do you own any firearms? I certainly don't. This forum should be called Guns and Ammo rather than Firearms. This is supposedly considered a firearm http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/9/...ActionArmy.jpg This cannot be considered a firearm http://www.ocyoung.com/images/PetRight.jpg In both cases the same exact design yields the same exact results. Why do people allow their enemies to define the terms?

leadfoot | 05-27-2009 06:40 PM
Re: Gun control by the IRS? If granny knew the least little bit about how the legislative process worked she wouldn't have tried to foist this on people: Quote:
This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law.   This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all.

Worldmariner | 05-28-2009 02:05 AM
Re: Gun control by the IRS? Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 1740945) I just received the following in an email from Granny Warrior, Linda Hunnicut: "Senate Bill SB-2099 gun control via IRS? Yes! That's what they are doing...   GUN Control via IRS Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009   1040 federal tax form all guns that you have or own. It may require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun. This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law.   This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all. The full text of the proposed amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage, http://www.senate.gov/ You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number, SB-2099. " Anyone heard of this? If it's true, would you report honestly? Don't think I would, because firearm ownership has absolutely nothing to do with reporting my income.
Well, the only way to combat this Socialist agenda and legislation is through politics. We need more people to write to their Member of Congress (that means your elected Representative to the House of Representatives. Their job is to listen to the citizenry) and their Senator. By "more people" I mean **YOU**, the reader. "You" need to register to vote, "You" need to write to your elected officials, "You" need to join pro-second amendment organizations, like the GOA and the NRA. "You" need to go to local government meetings and voice your opinions. Here are the links: www.Congress.org Member of Congress to the House of Representatives: https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml Your Senator: http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/senators/f_two_sections_with_teasers/states.htm Your governor: http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Governors.shtml National Rifle Association: www.nra.org Gun Owners of America: www.gunowners.org Many many forum posters seem to be the paranoid wall flower "I don't want my name on a list! I am not even registered to vote!" types... They wring their hands about what is happening, but they want SOMEONE ELSE to do the dirty work and take a chance, speak up, write the letters, cast the votes, and yet reap the rewards. If you are one of these types, (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!) you need to remember this: If you have ever filled out a Form 4473, trust me, you are in a database. If you are a member of GOA or the NRA, trust me, you are in a database. If you have ever registered to vote, trust me, you are in a database. If you have a driver's license, trust me, you are in a database. If you use your SSN to earn income, trust me, you are in a database. If you ever used your credit card to buy gun parts or ammo, you are in a database. If you were ever in the military... well you get the idea... keyed in on your name and DOB. Cross referenced with your SSN. With the (undeclared and in my opinion unconstitutional) Bush "war" on terror, the Department of Homeland Security and Congress have teamed up and are finishing up the process of making all the local, state, and Federal databases cross-searchable and accessible by ANY agency, NO WARRENT, NO JUDGE, required. If you are too cowardly to stand up and be counted, to make your voice heard, what will you do with your gun when tyranny arrives? I mean, you already know that you are a coward, so what will you do? Take your super secret gun and go shoot someone in a blue helmet or a black Hummer? I think not. We know what you will do. YOU know, deep down, what you will do. You will whisper about the Good Ol Days and hope that "someone else" does something, while you let your super secret gun rust in it's super secret hiding place, and be angry and post angry messages on forums about how somebody "should have done something". (Pardon me a moment whilst I vomit) That "someone" is **YOU**. GET OFF YOUR ASS and start DOING something about it, and posting messages on forums is NOT action! It is talk. Being a member on a website like www.righttokeepandbeararms.com is nice, and well meaning, and a fantastic resource for ideas, BUT it is not TRUE ACTION; it is feel good action. Joining a website WILL NOT cause change. Writing letters and being politically active is what causes change. Best idea: Buy as many firearms as you want. Give them as gifts! Register as many SBR's and suppressors as you can, join EVERY pro gun lobby group you can, and learn how to start grass roots legislation. Urge your friends to get CCW permits and to buy guns, including assault rifles. Take them shooting and let them burn through a box of your ammo. Turn them on to firearms. Get them re-acquainted with personal responsibility. Get them going in the right direction. Turn America BACK INTO a gun culture and freedom culture and personal responsibility culture. THAT is how to beat DHS, Napolitano, Clinton, an increasing militarized police force (anyone else notice that trend??), other anti-firearms groups, and generally "The Fed". The Feds just follow the rules. If the rules change, so do they. They are like the Borg. They are guys, most... smart, but not brilliant. They are working away at a Federal retirement, doing their job. If the rules change tomorrow and allow everyone to own an unregistered suppressor, believe me, the hour the legislation passes, they will stop activity related to suppressors. Most of those ATF guys (that I know anyway) are not rabidly anti-gun. Most all of them own firearms themselves. They are just following the rules. They do not get cash bonuses for finding illegal guns, such as the IRS agents receive for "recovering" "lost" revenue from recalcitrant tax payers. (Everyone here knows that, right? The IRS guys get a slice of the recovered money as an "on the spot cash award". THAT is why the IRS guys are so rabid. They are motivated by greed) If you are offended by reading this post, then YOU are PROBABLY the guy this post is aimed at!

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