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Ebie | 12-09-2008 07:29 PM
Recommend a good defence shotgun? I prefer a pump model. Any sense putting on a laser sight device? Be well.

CrufflerJJ | 12-09-2008 08:10 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? A basic Remington 870 is always a good start.

graspAU | 12-09-2008 08:16 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? For less than $400, get the remington 870 express synthetic 7 round (model # 25077): http://www.remington.com/products/fi...ound_specs.asp I've been looking at the lasermax light and laser, but need to understand more about it like battery consumption times. I like the idea of a light to identify something in the dark (momentary on switch) before I shoot it. Laser is probably not a priority: http://www.lasermax.com/category.php?id=4 Of course a mossberg that has equvalent characteristics is not too shabby either.

SilverCity | 12-09-2008 08:16 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? forget the laser...go with the 870.

C&L 1911 | 12-09-2008 08:44 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? 870 is hard to beat. Better yet, try finding the 870P (Police) model, preferably a police trade-in in good condition. Also, for home defense, a good flashlight forearm would be a good investment, but a laser sight is a gimmick that should be left for Hollywood movies.

Ebie | 12-09-2008 08:50 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by C&L 1911 (Post 1457817) 870 is hard to beat. Better yet, try finding the 870P (Police) model, preferably a police trade-in in good condition. Also, for home defense, a good flashlight forearm would be a good investment, but a laser sight is a gimmick that should be left for Hollywood movies.
What is wrong w a laser sight? Be well.

foolsgold | 12-09-2008 08:58 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebie (Post 1457821) What is wrong w a laser sight? Be well.
I agree with those that say a shotgun must be aimed not just pointed, But aiming is easy. The accessory I would recommend is a tactical light like the one on my 870 in the picture. I think the chances of bad guy coming at night are good. it is a surefire model... http://www.surefire.com/ShotgunWeaponLights http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/p...&pictureid=281

Ebie | 12-09-2008 09:17 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by foolsgold (Post 1457833) I agree with those that say a shotgun must be aimed not just pointed, But aiming is easy. The accessory I would recommend is a tactical light like the one on my 870 in the picture. I think the chances of bad guy coming at night are good. it is a surefire model... http://www.surefire.com/ShotgunWeaponLights http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/p...&pictureid=281
Is 18 inch barrel length OK?

ruprick | 12-09-2008 09:20 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Youth model shotguns are short and handy....will fit a gal - but a guy can still use it....remember-it is a gun for home defense short length and even a short pull length makes it fast and handy. Clyde Barker (Bonnie & Clyde) was a big fan of short stocked guns. You will not be using it to go hunting or shoot skeet.

foolsgold | 12-09-2008 09:28 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebie (Post 1457857) Is 18 inch barrel length OK?
For home defense you want the shortest barrel, 18 in is the shortest (legal) barrel I can have, for manuevering through doorways. The barrel in the picture is 20 in rifled barrel.

TomD | 12-09-2008 09:44 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? It ain't pretty but I got this Benelli pump new earlier this year for three hundred and small change. I then spent another $20 buying a 7 round (total) extension kit. This will now shoot up to seven 3-1/2" shells. Right now it is loaded with alternating 3" OO buck and slugs. http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...enelliPump.jpg

7th trump | 12-09-2008 09:47 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? But a flashlight is a dead give away. I woudnt use one if you are using shot. Its not needed when aiming in the general direction.

Twisted Avatar | 12-09-2008 09:52 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 1457900) It ain't pretty but I got this Benelli pump new earlier this year for three hundred and small change. I then spent another $20 buying a 7 round (total) extension kit. This will now shoot up to seven 3-1/2" shells. Right now it is loaded with alternating 3" OO buck and slugs. http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...enelliPump.jpg
Good lord heaven help the person on the other end of that combo. Quick question: How can you get a combo like that ?? dose Benneli use chokes? T

St. Germain | 12-09-2008 09:53 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Remington 870 express synthetic. Buckshot. Laser not needed.

foolsgold | 12-09-2008 09:53 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by 7th trump (Post 1457904) But a flashlight is a dead give away. I woudnt use one if you are using shot. Its not needed when aiming in the general direction.
The weapon light has two switches always-on and on-while-pressed. I am happy I bought it, if I plan on possible taking someone elses life I don't want a case of mistaken identity. The light is VERY bright and intuitive to use, well designed. Here's a good sight about various guns and ammo. http://www.theboxotruth.com/

C&L 1911 | 12-09-2008 10:05 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebie (Post 1457821) What is wrong w a laser sight? Be well.
Aside from ingraining a bad form, laser sights announce your position to the intruder before you can even see him. With a shotgun, a good aim is not as important as when using a pistol or a rifle; it is much more important to be able to ID the target quickly and easily, hence the need for a good forearm mounted flashlight (hand held light would be hard to use since both hands are needed for shotgun operation). Quote:
Originally Posted by 7th trump (Post 1457904) But a flashlight is a dead give away. I woudnt use one if you are using shot. Its not needed when aiming in the general direction.
You don't use a weapon mounted flashlight the same way you use your hand held light when walking a dog. You don't walk around with it on, nor do you use it to aim; you mostly use it via the momentary switch to ID and/or temporarily blind your target and then turn it off and immediately move to another location to avoid potential incoming fire. As I mentioned above, use of a hand held light is difficult with a shotgun, so a good weapon mounted light is a must.

AZLiberty | 12-10-2008 12:28 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Mossberg 500

flying | 12-10-2008 12:34 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by graspAU (Post 1457773) For less than $400, get the remington 870 express synthetic 7 round (model # 25077): .
I just ordered that yesterday. Comes next week. Price was good at 330 I think it was delivered. Also had a good deal on a 10/22 for 215 the blued one so I grabbed that too just for a fun deal. My son can do some mods to it.

wallew | 12-10-2008 12:39 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Winchester Model 97 or Model 12. Neither of these firearms were designed or built with a trigger disconnect. What that means is once a round is chambered and you pull the trigger AND HOLD IT BACK, it goes boom. Then as you pump the next round into the chamber it goes BOOM AGAIN, without YOU have to allow the trigger to reset and repull it. I can pump five rounds into a target in less than three seconds. And the guy in the 'box o truth' starts out ok. But his first shot is at 3 yards (9 ft). Realize we SHOULD be talking about using this weapon INSIDE your home. The AVERAGE distance you will be shooting it will be in the 12 - 15 foot range, which means 4 or 5 yards MAX. Past that, you probably won't even have a shot to take. The longest distance I have in my home is 25 feet. I would allow some perp to step into that range and then watch him disentigrate. But that's just me. Yes, I've practiced this on several ranges. Start at 7 yards and with the target moving towards you put all FIVE rounds into it. If you can't do that, you need more training BY YOURSELF. When you get to that point, you should be doing OK.

nub | 12-10-2008 02:31 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? My dogs are barking well before 100 yards , we practice with our shot guns at 50 yards cuz we don't plan on letting an intruder get any closer than that. 50 yards just seems to be about right for our situation out here in the boonies

TomD | 12-10-2008 07:13 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1457916) Good lord heaven help the person on the other end of that combo. Quick question: How can you get a combo like that ?? dose Benneli use chokes? T
Hunting guns use chokes but this one has a cylinder bore, i.e., no choke at all. I'm not using special shells, it just has 4 rounds of OO loaded along with 3 slugs.

WilliamC | 12-10-2008 07:52 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? On the premise that something is better than nothing I purchased a used Mossberg 500 field shotgun with a (ulp!) 28 inch barrel. I only paid $125 for it though. Got a few boxes of slugs and a few more of 00 buck. As someone who is a complete novice to firearms I took it to a range and paid $200 for an 8 hour shotgun self-defense class. Someday I would like to get a tactical shotgun but mine works just fine and for anyone foolish enough to come into my house seeking mischief then I am more than able to accommodate them. I get very jealous of all of you with money to spend on firearms, I'm a bit too broke to justify this and my wife would go ballistic if I started acquiring guns. I guess I'll be easy pickings when TSHTF :(

Ebie | 12-10-2008 02:45 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Remington 870, 18 inch barrel, sounds good for the job. Does Remington make other pump shotguns? What is the difference? Be well.

flying | 12-10-2008 02:48 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by WilliamC (Post 1458423) Someday I would like to get a tactical shotgun
Hacksaw can legally take your 26" down to a tactical size :ok:

foolsgold | 12-10-2008 02:51 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by flying (Post 1459167) Hacksaw can legally take your 26" down to a tactical size :ok:
Just make sure it is longer than 20 inches, leave no doubt in case you end up in front of a jury.

graspAU | 12-10-2008 03:02 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebie (Post 1459158) Remington 870, 18 inch barrel, sounds good for the job. Does Remington make other pump shotguns? What is the difference? Be well.
Don't know of anything outside the 870 models (there are tons of variations of the 870). The 7 shot, with 18" barrel I mentioned is good. Other than that, you could look at a remington 870P (police model), as long as your bugdet can go up a litte. The differences between the 870 express and police models are documented here: http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/art...Pol6-30-05.pdf

ohioarmedneutrality | 12-10-2008 08:20 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? I have a NEF Pardener Protector Pump 12 ga., 18.5 inch barrel. Only $169 + tax brand new. I believe the prices have gone up though. Yeah, its made in China, but it's tough as nails - steel construction and functions flawlessly. Wife has a Mossberg 500 combo 12 ga. One barrel for shot, the other barrel rifled. Either way, a perp threatening my family won't know, and won't care, which one was used to send him to the afterlife.

californiaprospector | 12-11-2008 03:17 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Remington 870 series or Mossberg 500 series. Laser useless; a switched spotlight makes lots of sense if the "bad guys" turn off your power in the middle of the night.

californiaprospector | 12-11-2008 03:23 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebie (Post 1457821) What is wrong w a laser sight? Be well.
99% of the time a laser sight is for boys to play Star Trek with their firearms.

californiaprospector | 12-11-2008 03:25 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by 7th trump (Post 1457904) But a flashlight is a dead give away. I woudnt use one if you are using shot. Its not needed when aiming in the general direction.
You're thinking of the wrong light. A tactical spotlight with a pressure switch, on/off by simply pressing/letting go.

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hoarder | 12-18-2008 11:27 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? I have a couple 12 guage side by side doubles with 18" barrels for defense but was thinking of getting a riot pump shotgun of some kid. It would probably be easier for my girlfriend to shoot. I have always loved Remingtons, but it seems they all have their safeties behind the trigger guard. Do all of the 870's have this? I prefer a tang safety. My Remington semi-auto rifle has the safety in front of the trigger guard which is MUCH better, since I hold firearms with index finger straight until ready to shoot and that puts the safety directy under the tip of my index finger. Maybe I'll have to get a Mossberg...

Dawg | 12-22-2008 01:53 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Tang safety is great.....till you get a pistol grip stock anyway.

Bob | 12-22-2008 02:02 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by 7th trump (Post 1457904) But a flashlight is a dead give away. I woudnt use one if you are using shot. Its not needed when aiming in the general direction.
A shotgun at any distance in your home will spread out to the size of a baseball. In other words, YOU DO NEED TO AIM NOT POINT IN THE GENERAL DIRECTION.

PatColo | 12-22-2008 03:36 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? mossberg 590, 18", nice loud crisp pump racking sound can be heard throughout a house, ought to diffuse most situations without words or further adieu. Not pictured here but the stock on mine holds 4 extra shells. Safety's on top above the trigger, can be moved with thumb. http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/mossberg_590_2.jpg

Aussie | 01-17-2009 03:27 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? What about the Saiga 12? I am looking at picking up a shotgun soon - something that can handle most anything from occasion hunting duties and trap shooting for fun, to home invasion defense. I had originally thought it would be an 870 but after investigating the Saiga 12 I started to think . . . hmmm . . . semi auto, with a few extra mags, why not? Any thoughts here about the pros and cons of semis v's pumps?

Twisted Avatar | 01-17-2009 08:29 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by flying (Post 1459167) Hacksaw can legally take your 26" down to a tactical size :ok:
Please dont .............we cant have another Randy Weaver. The Obamabots will run with it big time. T

Bill843 | 01-17-2009 09:44 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebie (Post 1457684) I prefer a pump model.
Remington 870 or Mossberg 500-series are good, both start at around $350-400 or so and both are police and military issue in the US. The main difference is that they don't suffer the same mechanical weaknesses, and it's a good idea to know where to look to head off any problems. Articles that compare the two will often relate the different reliability issues, such as this one- http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/conten...e_870_590.html Quote:
Any sense putting on a laser sight device?
Not on a tactical shotgun, in my opinion. Laser sights haven't turned out to be the instant cure for aiming difficulties that some people thought they would be. A light mounted on the gun makes a lot more sense, assuming you have a momentary-button switch. Long arms cannot be held or fired effectively with one hand (like pistols can) so you don't have a free hand to hold a flashlight. -end-

Ag_man | 01-17-2009 10:06 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by flying (Post 1459167) Hacksaw can legally take your 26" down to a tactical size :ok:
Never, ever do a DIY sawcut on a barrel, you lose the crown of the barrel by doing this and the barrel can rupture. Either buy a short barrel (best) or take the shotgun to a gunsmith who can re-crown a cut barrel.

silverbullet | 01-17-2009 10:19 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? I actually won a Remington 870 Jr (youth model) 20 ga. about a year ago at a gun raffle. First thought...what do I need that for...good gun to trade. But after I got it home and got to thinking about it, I knew I had a use for it. It became my "bedroom gun". Sits in the corner right beside the headboard, loaded with 5 rounds of #3 buckshot, 9 more on the stock. It's short, leightweight, and can be easily handled by my wife. Works great for us... If you think it sounds like an interesting set-up and would like to see it, drop by and knock on the door some night after I'm in bed. I'd be glad to show you. :bear_angry:

C&L 1911 | 01-17-2009 10:20 AM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by silverbullet (Post 1516053) I actually won a Remington 870 Jr (youth model) 20 ga. about a year ago at a gun raffle. First thought...what do I need that for...good gun to trade. But after I got it home and got to thinking about it, I knew I had a use for it. It became my "bedroom gun". Sits in the corner right beside the headboard, loaded with 5 rounds of #3 buckshot, 9 more on the stock. It's short, leightweight, and can be easily handled by my wife. Works great for us... If you think it sounds like an interesting set-up and would like to see it, drop by and knock on the door some night after I'm in bed. I'd be glad to show you. :bear_angry:
Address? :wink:

silverbullet | 01-17-2009 03:41 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, but I don't move in until next week...:tongue_ma:

EE_ | 01-17-2009 04:50 PM
Re: Recommend a good defence shotgun? Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill843 (Post 1516032) Remington 870 or Mossberg 500-series are good, both start at around $350-400 or so and both are police and military issue in the US. The main difference is that they don't suffer the same mechanical weaknesses, and it's a good idea to know where to look to head off any problems. Articles that compare the two will often relate the different reliability issues, such as this one- http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/conten...e_870_590.html Not on a tactical shotgun, in my opinion. Laser sights haven't turned out to be the instant cure for aiming difficulties that some people thought they would be. A light mounted on the gun makes a lot more sense, assuming you have a momentary-button switch. Long arms cannot be held or fired effectively with one hand (like pistols can) so you don't have a free hand to hold a flashlight. -end-
The review pretty much makes the two shotguns a toss up. My personal favorite is the HK Benelli M1 Super 90 auto 8 shot. I like auto loaders! http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/ben_M1e2.jpg

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