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The Argent Dragon | 10-02-2009 07:50 PM
Romanian PSL - on SALE ! :5_1_120: yeah baby, got get one of deez !!! PSL Romanian PSL-54C 7.62x54R Rifle http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/psl.jpg Item#PSL New Romanian Cugir manufactured model PSL-54C semi-automatic 7.62x54R rifles. Includes LPS TIP2 scope and mount, 2-10rd magazines, magazine pouch, field cleaning kit, and optic case. Barrel length: 26.5", Overall length: 45.5", Weight: 9lbs. Not for sale in CA. Price: $579.95 http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Romanian_PSL-54C_7.62x54R_Rifle.html :wink:

Zusn | 10-03-2009 03:39 AM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! I don't want to spend money on gun stuff right now, but deals like this sure make me second guess myself. I've been wanting one of these for years. There's room in the safe for it.....

skyvike | 10-03-2009 03:42 AM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Geez, a Romanian Dragunov for $579? I didn't think you could even get a Chinese one for that. Cheap Cheap! If I hadn't limted myself to other calibers, I'd have one.

Twisted Avatar | 10-03-2009 08:14 AM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Nice reach out and touch capability. Fires the same caliber as the Mosin. Built on Ak -47 frame What's not to love??? T

skyvike | 10-03-2009 09:37 AM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1952841) Nice reach out and touch capability. Fires the same caliber as the Mosin. Built on Ak -47 frame What's not to love??? T
If it fired 7.62X51 and accepted M14 magazines, I'd have three!

The Argent Dragon | 10-03-2009 10:15 AM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Quote:
Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 1952883) If it fired 7.62X51 and accepted M14 magazines, I'd have three!
Not to tempt you, but they do have good prices on DSA FAL rifles. :s9: http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/dsa58_thm.jpg DSA, Inc. .38/7.62x51 STG58 FAL Rifle 01 FFL Required Price: Price: $1,099.95ea click for details

Julian | 10-03-2009 02:16 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Quote:
Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 1952738) Geez, a Romanian Dragunov for $579? I didn't think you could even get a Chinese one for that. Cheap Cheap! If I hadn't limted myself to other calibers, I'd have one.
That's because this isn't actually a Dragunov, but an AK look-alike. It's not as accurate as a real Dragunov would be, but that's still an excellent price, especially considering the cost of surplus ammo in that caliber. I'm told these tend to string pretty noticably as they heat up, but are quite accurate out of a cold barrel. A cryo treatment might actually fix that problem, not sure.

eat_beef | 10-03-2009 03:04 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Kokalis did a report on one a couple of months back. He wouldn't even list the accuracy results, which is pretty telling to me. Still, it's cheap and I bet a semi skilled operator could hold a man sized group out to 400.

GoldWampum | 10-03-2009 03:44 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! I'm holding out for .308 semi-auto. I prefer the 51 for distance. and I have a 39.

eat_beef | 10-03-2009 03:55 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! GW, it's x54. Ballistically equal to the x51.

skyvike | 10-03-2009 05:05 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1952909) Not to tempt you, but they do have good prices on DSA FAL rifles. :s9: http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/dsa58_thm.jpg DSA, Inc. .38/7.62x51 STG58 FAL Rifle 01 FFL Required Price: Price: $1,099.95ea click for details
Nice try. FAL is a great rifle. Humped one for a while. But it only meets one of the two criteria: Ammo. It has accept M14 magazines for me to be interested... :565:

elroy | 10-03-2009 05:59 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1952909) Not to tempt you, but they do have good prices on DSA FAL rifles. :s9: http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/dsa58_thm.jpg DSA, Inc. .38/7.62x51 STG58 FAL Rifle 01 FFL Required Price: Price: $1,099.95ea click for details
Look at the sight radius on that baby! Do the mags for these come in inch and metric or are they all the same?

GoldWampum | 10-03-2009 11:58 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Quote:
Originally Posted by eat_beef (Post 1953164) GW, it's x54. Ballistically equal to the x51.
Feeble ass mind of mine. Thanks for the correction Beef.

eat_beef | 10-04-2009 09:20 AM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Quote:
Originally Posted by Rebel Yarr (Post 1953667) Damn - me want! Slap this on there.... http://www.dsarms.com/SA58-FAL-Extre...ductinfo/620A/
Yeah, you could. Between the wobbly scope mount, the sub par bbl, and the junk heap trigger, you might hold 3" at 100.:thumpdown

eat_beef | 10-04-2009 02:34 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Pretty solid and precision accuracy are two different things. Can you get combat accuracy out of a nice FAL? Yes. The accepted limit for combat accuracy is usually around 4 moa. That yeilds a 16 inch group at 400 yards, or right about the size of a man's chest. Realize that this is attainable, but the trigger is horrible, so it's going to take a LOT of practice to get the nut behind the stock there. Is this acceptable 'combat' accuracy? I think so. Is it acceptable accuracy for me? No. Anything that bad is attainable w/o optics, so what's the point? BTW, don't get an AR10. Unless you pony up for a custom gun, it aint going to run in field conditions, period. DPMS customer service ADMITS theirs won't.

CQC McDuck | 10-04-2009 02:52 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Quote:
Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 1952738) If I hadn't limted myself to other calibers, I'd have one.
7.62x54R is stupid cheap. You can pick up 880 rounds for under $180.

negative1 | 10-04-2009 08:38 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Damn! Great rifles and a great price but no room in the case for more... http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/open.JPG :biggrin:

tulsamal | 10-05-2009 10:37 AM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Quote:
but the trigger is horrible,
OK, I can't sit still and let that one pass. I've got two FAL's. An STG58 and an Imbel. And neither one of them is even close to "horrible" in the trigger department. Far better than an AK. Better than my CETME. About the same as your typical M16 trigger in military service. The STG58 trigger is all original and quite good. My guess is that you got this "horrible" opinion by firing one that had US compliant trigger parts which either were substandard or somehow installed wrong. There is no practical reason an FAL should have a crappy trigger. I will agree that the FAL isn't a match rifle in standard configuration. I don't remember when the last time was that I fired one of mine on paper for a group. Probably when I was getting them zeroed. Now I just shoot them at "things" and those things nearly always take hits. If a service rifle configuration FAL is inaccurate, then so is a typical service rifle M1 Garand. They shoot about the same in my hands. Gregg

eat_beef | 10-05-2009 04:39 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Quote:
Originally Posted by tulsamal (Post 1955342) Far better than an AK. Better than my CETME.
Yeah, and being shot in the belly ain't bad, compared to being shot in the head.:rofl: I've owned several FALs, and fired several more, of all varieties. Their triggers are bad, and their sights aren't much better. If you would read my post, I said they were capable of 4moa, which is acceptable, but the triggers still stink. An FAL can't be mentioned in the same breath as a Garand/M14 as far as sights/triggers go. And this is for stock triggers. A Garand/M14 trigger can be tuned more readily and to a much better break than an FAL trigger. Shoots like an AK, that's rich. I've seen a LOT of FALs and AKs on the 600 yard line.:111:

Twisted Avatar | 10-05-2009 04:45 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Quote:
Originally Posted by negative1 (Post 1954669) Damn! Great rifles and a great price but no room in the case for more... http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/open.JPG :biggrin:
What kind of case in that??? looks nice, sturdy and hard plastic polymer. T

negative1 | 10-05-2009 05:31 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! It's a Contico Silver Wolf. There's a dealer on amazon that has them for $55. That's about the only place that I have found them under $100. Here's another pic... http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/closed.JPG :biggrin:

basplaer | 10-05-2009 05:52 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Sweet case, negative1. I may have to pick one up to justify getting a second PSL...LOL

Twisted Avatar | 10-05-2009 05:55 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Quote:
Originally Posted by basplaer (Post 1955942) Sweet case, negative1. I may have to pick one up to justify getting a second PSL...LOL
I fully agree and that is a dam good price as well. Is that puppy waterproof?? The seals around it look really nice as if they are. Also how many Battle Rifles can it hold??? T

AG Capone | 10-05-2009 06:09 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Quote:
Originally Posted by negative1 (Post 1954669) http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/open.JPG :biggrin:
I see you have the big boy scope on one of your PSL's. Is there a good source for these online? Thanks in advance.

SLV>GLD | 10-05-2009 06:26 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! It was my understanding the barrels on these PSLs get worn out to the point of disuse at under 1,000 rounds. Anyone have experience to prove otherwise? For reference, I have right at 1,000 rounds through my Moisin which had some unknown number run through it prior to me getting it and there is yet to be any noticeable degradation in the rifling. I suppose it really comes down to how much you expect to be firing the thing, though.

basplaer | 10-05-2009 06:29 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Quote:
Originally Posted by AG Capone (Post 1955968) I see you have the big boy scope on one of your PSL's. Is there a good source for these online? Thanks in advance.
I'm interested as well. Seen a few on ebay but they ship from eastern europe IIRC. akfiles.com has a section devoted to SVDs and other dragunov variants. I've picked up some good info from there and I've seen several members with the larger POSP type scopes...might be worth a look.

negative1 | 10-05-2009 06:56 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1955945) I fully agree and that is a dam good price as well. Is that puppy waterproof?? The seals around it look really nice as if they are. Also how many Battle Rifles can it hold??? T
No I wouldn't trust it submerged. It's just made to hold 2 rifles but there is room for other toys with the rifles. Quote:
Originally Posted by AG Capone (Post 1955968) I see you have the big boy scope on one of your PSL's. Is there a good source for these online? Thanks in advance.
Pick your poison there's a bunch to choose from HERE. :biggrin:

tulsamal | 10-05-2009 08:36 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Quote:
An FAL can't be mentioned in the same breath as a Garand/M14 as far as sights/triggers go. And this is for stock triggers. A Garand/M14 trigger can be tuned more readily and to a much better break than an FAL trigger. Shoots like an AK, that's rich. I've seen a LOT of FALs and AKs on the 600 yard line.
It isn't necessary to post as if you are the only one that knows what you are talking about. You aren't. Assuming that you do. I would say the stock Garand rear sight is better than a FAL rear. But I have a DCM SA Garand that is a really sweet rifle. IMO, it would be a near photo finish with my STG58 if we only consider trigger pull. No work has been done on either. The STG58 has the original military parts. I would agree that the Garand has a long history of "being slicked up" and therefore can be tuned more finely than a FAL. But that's comparing a stock battle rifle to a tuned one. Not really fair. As I said, in my experience as a unit armorer in the US Army, my FAL trigger is virtually the same as a typical M16 one. I could swap out the M16 trigger for all kinds of aftermarket and match triggers but I'm comparing stock military triggers. And I never compared shooting an FAL to an AK "on the line." I was comparing triggers. And AK (and SKS) triggers are a real problem in most combat versions. With stock sights and stock triggers, I've never been able to do much at extended range with any AK. With an FAL, I could do just as well as with my stock Garand. Gregg

eat_beef | 10-05-2009 10:38 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! Gregg, Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as a horse's posterior. It seems to come naturally.:biggrin: My point was that stating a trigger on anything is better than a trigger on an AK is not exactly a ringing endorsement. My point about the 600 yard line is that you see ARs, M14s, and Garands there. No FALs. This isn't about popularity, it's about the accuracy inherent in the platform, and the ease with which that accuracy can be wrung out by a marksman. That is exactly the draw of the AR, it is accurate, and more importantly, it can be shot accurately with a lot less practice than other platforms. I shoot an M14 several orders of magnitude more than I shoot an AR, but I still score higher with the AR. Back to the point, perhaps you can shoot your FAL just as well as your Garand. That is great, but it's one example vs. one example. The fact that the FAL isn't now nor has it ever been well represented in matches points out that overall, the other platforms are either inherently more accurate, practically more accurate, or both. All I'm saying is, I'm voting both.:biggrin:

negative1 | 10-07-2009 12:20 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! I found my old review for you guys thinking about jumping on one of these. PSL Review Hope this helps push you over the edge. :biggrin:

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Haltiat | 10-07-2009 01:29 PM
Re: Romanian PSL - on SALE ! The only Garands I have ever known that would turn in better than 2moa are those which had a lot of money poured into them. M-1A's and AR-15's get more accurate the more money you throw at them too. So do FAL's and AK's. I think a lot of people get confused over the inherent accuracy of an action versus an accurized or boutique rifle. Some markets have been in development longer than others which can make enhanced accuracy more accessible to the sportsman. That is not the same thing as another action being inherently inaccurate. Quote:
Originally Posted by tulsamal (Post 1956270) And I never compared shooting an FAL to an AK "on the line." I was comparing triggers. And AK (and SKS) triggers are a real problem in most combat versions. With stock sights and stock triggers, I've never been able to do much at extended range with any AK. With an FAL, I could do just as well as with my stock Garand.
Do you know how to do a two stage trigger job on an AK? It's not very hard. The FAL trigger can be tuned too. DSA offers two different packages.

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