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Caligula | 11-16-2008 06:23 PM
MUST READ!! Organize against AWB!!! Figured that some GIM members mighy be interested in helping fight upcoming battle against the 2nd Amendment....This thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=784480&page=1 Quote:
Enough whining! Enough whimpering! Enough rolling over and simply giving up! Neither of those things are going to get us anywhere. But diligence and planning can. Here is another suggestion for how we should organize to fight any new anti-gun legislation: First and foremost, we must be highly organized. That doesn't mean just this forum. It means we all have to work to ensure that all firearms forums are interconnected and be capable of working together and sharing news if and when that becomes necessary. Obviously, this will largely fall to the site staff. But everyone can help. But to launch an effective counter-effort against the antis, this needs to be done. How will this be beneficial? News travels fast online. The better networked we are with other like-minded people, the faster we can react to any new legislation that is introduced. But more importantly, by getting as many gun owner groups linked together as possible, it will allow us to develop and implement a particular and well focused strategy, then carry out that strategy. Without that sort of networking, everyone is just running around doing their own thing with no knowledge of what other groups may be doing. It makes any effort far less organized and far less focused. Imagine if all the firearms boards devoted to AR rifles, AK rifles, M1As, FALs, H&K, Sig, Glock, Smith and Wesson, Ruger, and all other brands and types of semi-auto magazine fed weapons, had a sort of "panel" made up by staff from each of the individual forums to determine what actions to take, where to focus those actions and how to carry them out. It would make our efforts 100x more effective. Imagine for just a moment that we needed to counter something in the Senate. Imagine how effective it might be if all the boards were connected, agreed on a letter writing campaign to Harry Reid, agreed on the general tone of what the letters should be (maybe even share examples), and contained a time line for when to send them. Rather than letters being sent a few here and few there to dozens or hundreds of people, you could have thousands upon thousands arrive in his congressional mailbox on the same day. See how much more powerful that message would be? Being organized is the most critical element to winning our future battles. Rather than being like a bunch of independent little islands scattered all across a vast ocean going their separate way, we need to unite into a tightly connected network that shares info, resources, ideas, develops strategies and put into action plans to stop the gun grabbers. I would highly encourage the site staff here to reach out to the owners and staff of other firearms forums (as well as all pro-gun organizations for that matter) and form a panel made up from key people with each group to head and direct such efforts. It doesn't even have to be anything overly formal. A simple forum where representatives from all groups can meet and plan would be sufficient. Those representatives could then brief their individual forum members about anything requiring attention. It needs to be done right now. Planning needs to start right now. Everything needs to be in place before any anti-2A legislation ever hits the floor. That way, if and when it happens, we can call up said network, pull out the proper battle plan for whatever situation we are needing to deal with and start an effective effort immediately to counter it. This will save time, it will pool resources, it will give us better command and control to steal a military term, it will allow us to better focus our efforts and it will make our voice 100x louder. Think of it as the NATO of gun owners. Any single European nation would have folded almost immediately if the Soviets had invaded during the Cold War. But with all of them and the US working closely together, the Soviets were never able to get that chance. We must do likewise when facing the gun banners. Alone we are piss ants. But together, we are millions of pissed off mother****ers who can and will be heard. Simply put, it is time for all pro-gun websites, forums and organizations to join forces in a highly networked community. Since this forum is one of the largest and most influential gun forums on the web (with over 130,000 members here alone), why not we be the one to lay the groundwork to start this effort? As they say, "if you build it, they will come." And one final suggestion and question: Does the site staff have the ability to send mass PMs or emails to members? Lots of people on these forums never set foot into GD or the Politics forum. Many (and I am included) log straight into the actual forums and never look at the front page. So many people miss lots of important news. By having such a system in place, the site staff could rapidly alert every swinging dick that belongs to this forum of developing situations that require their attention and direct them in a unified manner on how to react to that situation. Again, maybe I have spent too much time involved with firefighting and emergency management. But I see effective communication and partnership with outside agencies (or in this case, other gun nuts) critical to dealing with any major challenge that requires a unified response. Therefore I would love to see us start networking with other forums and pro gun groups as quickly as possible. It could mean the difference between preserving our 2A rights and political defeat. Does anyone else like this idea? Does anyone have additional ideas that could be added? And for the site staff, how feasible are my ideas? I am so tired of all the hand-wringing and fear being displayed on this forum. I feel we could put those energies to much better use by being proactive and taking efforts to make sure a new ban doesn't happen, rather than running around screaming the sky if falling.
....led to this.... http://www.righttokeepandbeararms.com/phpBB3/index.php

Little Ant | 11-16-2008 07:07 PM
Re: MUST READ!! Organize against AWB!!! I suppose it can't hurt to keep trying BUT I am none too hopeful. People spoke up and emailed, phoned, faxed their congresstraitors in numbers never seen before, and 99.9% of citizens shouted, "Absolutely NO, NO, NO on the bailout". And did their elected Representatives REPRESENT them? No- they did exactly what they were told to do and thumbed their noses at America. I'm an NRA and GOA member, I have been very active in trying to influence my Reps to vote the Constitution. I pretty much put my life on hold the last year and a half to try and get Ron Paul and other supporters of the Constitution in my own area elected. Many here have done the same. I hope and pray that these efforts make a difference and will do what I can but honestly am not very optimistic at this point that our elected officials will even pretend to do what WE THE PEOPLE want and what the Constitution clearly spells out. I will continue fighting til the end, I just am not too hopeful we can stop the Fascist juggernaut.

igorthesmall | 11-16-2008 09:07 PM
Re: MUST READ!! Organize against AWB!!! sounds like another gathering of neocon bootlickers. No thanks.

Satyr | 11-16-2008 09:31 PM
Re: MUST READ!! Organize against AWB!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by Little Ant (Post 1419384) People spoke up and emailed, phoned, faxed their congresstraitors in numbers never seen before, and 99.9% of citizens shouted, "Absolutely NO, NO, NO on the bailout". And did their elected Representatives REPRESENT them?
Yes. They did. The first time the bailout was up for vote, most people were against it and they did voice their opinions. And it worked! But then the markets tanked and a lot of people, especially old people living on their pensions, got all panicked. Suddenly, less people were saying "NO,NO,NO on the bialout." In a sick and twisted sort of way, the system worked...sort of. I wish this guy--->:565: could dance while holding these--->:553:

Twisted Avatar | 11-16-2008 09:55 PM
Re: MUST READ!! Organize against AWB!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by Satyr (Post 1419551) Yes. They did. The first time the bailout was up for vote, most people were against it and they did voice their opinions. And it worked! But then the markets tanked and a lot of people, especially old people living on their pensions, got all panicked. Suddenly, less people were saying "NO,NO,NO on the bialout." In a sick and twisted sort of way, the system worked...sort of.
HOGWASH..... THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SAID NO THE SECOND TIME THE MEDIA JUST REPORTED THAT MORE FOLK WERE INCLINED TO THE SECOND ATTEMPT ON THE BILL. THAT BILL WAS GOING TO PASS REGUARDLESS. JUST LIKE A NATIONAL ID CARD IS GOING TO PASS REGUARDLESS JUST LIKE THE ASSUALT WEAPON BAN IS GOING TO PASS REGUARDLESS. JUST LIKE MICROSTAMPING OF ALL AMMO IS GOING TO PASS REGUARDLESS. JUST LIKE MADATORY 401K's WITH CRAP T-BILLS IS GOING TO PASS REGUARDLESS. JUST LIKE THE JACKBOOT DOMESTIC YOUTH BRIGADE IS GOING TO PASS REGUARDLESS. THATS WHAT THE OWNERS WANT.........AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO GET. T

JJ_ | 11-16-2008 10:03 PM
Re: MUST READ!! Organize against AWB!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by Little Ant (Post 1419384) I suppose it can't hurt to keep trying BUT I am none too hopeful. People spoke up and emailed, phoned, faxed their congresstraitors in numbers never seen before, and 99.9% of citizens shouted, "Absolutely NO, NO, NO on the bailout". And did their elected Representatives REPRESENT them? No- they did exactly what they were told to do and thumbed their noses at America. I'm an NRA and GOA member, I have been very active in trying to influence my Reps to vote the Constitution. I pretty much put my life on hold the last year and a half to try and get Ron Paul and other supporters of the Constitution in my own area elected. Many here have done the same.
Yeah - you nailed it. The bailout was strike one for me... and that's just me being benevolent. if they pass an AWB.. that's strike 2... And I don't think they deserve a third strike.

Twisted Avatar | 11-16-2008 10:17 PM
Re: MUST READ!! Organize against AWB!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1419591) Yeah - you nailed it. The bailout was strike one for me... and that's just me being benevolent. if they pass an AWB.. that's strike 2... And I don't think they deserve a third strike.
Strike three willl be fatal. FOR US. T

Heimdhal | 11-16-2008 11:26 PM
Re: MUST READ!! Organize against AWB!!! TA, Holing up in your house in Queens with a Saiga 12 and a glock 17 with a 33rd Mag jammed up it isnt going to do any good. So I ask you, if strike three will be fatal FOR US, what are YOU going to do(or attempt to do) to ensure that we dont reach the fatal strike three?

cugir321 | 11-16-2008 11:35 PM
Re: MUST READ!! Organize against AWB!!! Sending letters in one swoop is a great idea. I wrote the NRA (and they never wrote me back) about having a massive country wide Million Town march for guns....Every town in america put people on the streets with signs. All in one day! Also, Gun owners of America and the NRA need to quit there stupid ass bickering. (GOA is a all or nothing group...all or nothing doesn't cut it these days...especially when you're up against losing the supreme court and getting an AWB at the same time) GOA would not support McCain because of his first AWB vote...He changed it the second time. He was the only choice to somewhat defend the gun business...good or bad. He was it. (I'm pissed at Ron Paul, he was the other choice but he felt the economy was more important then guns.) Paul wanted to make a statement about the two party system and it cost us. The second amendment lovers. He knows the SA is the cornerstone of the Bill of rights and he chose otherwise. He was willing to sacrifice the SA to draw attention to the two party crap. He sent people to independents. I'd bet some of those people voted democrat because of the economy and their sorry now. I hope the NRA and GOA get their crap together and have one goal. Defeat AWB. "F" Paul! I understand what he stands for, I agree with most (I've given him money in the past...no more)....he couldn't give a crap about the second amendment.

Heimdhal | 11-16-2008 11:44 PM
Re: MUST READ!! Organize against AWB!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by cugir321 (Post 1419703) Sending letters in one swoop is a great idea. I wrote the NRA (and they never wrote me back) about having a massive country wide Million Town march for guns....Every town in america put people on the streets with signs. All in one day! Also, Gun owners of America and the NRA need to quit there stupid ass bickering. (GOA is a all or nothing group...all or nothing doesn't cut it these days...especially when you're up against losing the supreme court and getting an AWB at the same time) GOA would not support McCain because of his first AWB vote...He changed it the second time. He was the only choice to somewhat defend the gun business...good or bad. He was it. (I'm pissed at Ron Paul, he was the other choice but he felt the economy was more important then guns.) Paul wanted to make a statement about the two party system and it cost us. The second amendment lovers. He knows the SA is the cornerstone of the Bill of rights and he chose otherwise. He was willing to sacrifice the SA to draw attention to the two party crap. He sent people to independents. I'd bet some of those people voted democrat because of the economy and their sorry now. I hope the NRA and GOA get their crap together and have one goal. Defeat AWB.
It takes Decades to replace a supreme court justice It takes years to replace a congressman or senator It takes 1 hour to write a well thought out, and later ignored, letter It takes 5 hours for mail to travel 5 miles It takes 2 seconds for a .308 slug to travel 1 mile Isnt physics funs!?

Twisted Avatar | 11-17-2008 08:21 AM
Re: MUST READ!! Organize against AWB!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 1419695) TA, Holing up in your house in Queens with a Saiga 12 and a glock 17 with a 33rd Mag jammed up it isnt going to do any good. So I ask you, if strike three will be fatal FOR US, what are YOU going to do(or attempt to do) to ensure that we dont reach the fatal strike three?
My plan at this time will be to feign complience when the hammer falls........ do (up to a point) what the majority of the sheep do. My feeling is It wont be long until some form of oppertunity is presented to those who where prepared before hand. My goal is to remain fuild and bend like the reed (but never snaps) as the situation unfolds. It Isnt the best plan but you have to play the hand you have be dealt I have too many obligations to break camp to new locale. The universe is telling me I will be needed here. For what I dont know..............yet. T

Zusn | 11-17-2008 05:45 PM
Re: MUST READ!! Organize against AWB!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by cugir321 (Post 1419703) ....Every town in america put people on the streets with signs. All in one day!
I'd rather see people in every town in america put people on the streets with their guns. Have a few people carry a couple huge banners with their message. March to city hall, state capitol, etc. Just think of 5,000 citizens dressed in regular clothes with their favorite loaded gun marching down the road. There isn't a police force anywhere that could (or would) deal with that.

Twisted Avatar | 11-17-2008 06:56 PM
Re: MUST READ!! Organize against AWB!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by Zusn (Post 1420799) I'd rather see people in every town in america put people on the streets with their guns. Have a few people carry a couple huge banners with their message. March to city hall, state capitol, etc. Just think of 5,000 citizens dressed in regular clothes with their favorite loaded gun marching down the road. There isn't a police force anywhere that could (or would) deal with that.
They would all be doing intereview with the media denoucing the act from the saftey of there offices T

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