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mocha | 03-13-2009 04:55 PM
Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass I was at the Snowflakes in Hell blog and they linked to an article about the Government had ordered the destruction Of all Military Spent Brass... Check it out... what is up with this?? http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/200...y-spent-brass/

ghostofagreatman | 03-13-2009 05:04 PM
Re: Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass It is on .they will start to dry up supply as a way to dis arm the people 21st century version of marching on concord type of thing

Abouthadit | 03-13-2009 05:26 PM
Re: Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass You got it. No civilian reloads of mil brass, and the mil will lock up production at all US sites for a long long long time. Get it now or cry later. Good argument to stop buying the Wolf steel case and spend some money on reloadable brass. I got 1k 223 in this week and going to the gun show tomorrow.

TomD | 03-13-2009 06:05 PM
Re: Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass Just checked Midway and they seem to have lots of 223 brass. Out of a couple of brands. You can reload 223 brass a bunch of times, probably better than 20 if you anneal occasionally. I'm sitting on about 400 pieces of new 22 brass, mostly Winchester. I've got the primers and a bunch of powder but not nearly that many 223 bullets. Might be time to lay in a supply of cheap 60 grain spitzer bullets. When I was shooting Hi-Power, everybody shot Lake City brass. The motivation for destroying it can't be good.

Shoden | 03-13-2009 06:08 PM
Re: Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass I just found this post over at ar15.com (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=844248&page=5) Quote:
Posted: Today 5:44:13 PM [Last Edit: Today 5:52:19 PM by P7-PSP] OK...OK.......UPDATE.......UPDATE......UPDATE..... ....POSSIBLE GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!! I called the NRA-ILA (INSTITUTE FOR LEGISLATIVE ACTION). I spoke with a guy named Eric and he put me on hold for a few minutes till he could get the latest info on this subject. After returning to the phone he gave me a bunch of info. The NRA is definitely aware of the problem and have heard from some reloaded ammo companies and individuals. Eric rattled off all the DOD agencies invlolved and apparently this may have been "somewhat of a mistake" The ranking DOD agency has heard our concerns and condsiders them VALID!! Right now, the word is from DOD to the NRA that they hope to have a WAIVER put into place within a two or three weeks which will CORRECT this situation and return once fired brass, .50 caliber and below to the sales policies previously used!!! Eric said it might be helpful to call our Congressmen just in case and make them aware of the impact on the DOD budget, police training, and inidividual rights. Anyway, I thought I would give you this information as soon as I could. Sounds like GREAT NEWS TO ME!!! We need to stay on this, though. I will get you the NRA-ILA phone number so you can call them next week if you want.

Abouthadit | 03-13-2009 06:14 PM
Re: Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass We don't want a waiver, we want NO LAW AT ALL. Waivers have a way of being rendered moot without anyone finding out.

elroy | 03-13-2009 08:50 PM
Re: Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass This is starting to show up on some of the ammo sellers websites. Just saw it at georgia arms

TomD | 03-13-2009 08:59 PM
Re: Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass Georgia Arms is located in Villa Rica, Georgia, about 30 miles west of Atlanta and is a major source of loaded ammo and components. They are a main reason I go to gun shows around here. Buy their products if you find them, they are first rate.

Libertarian_Guard | 03-13-2009 09:03 PM
Re: Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoden (Post 1624135) I just found this post over at ar15.com (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=844248&page=5)
And the really big stuff, above .50 cal, makes for a unique ash tray.

Twisted Avatar | 03-13-2009 09:16 PM
Re: Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass Day by day we are antagonized more and more....... When first shot is fired......BE READY. I TELL YOU THIS: AMMO, MAGS AND SIDEARMS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN SILVER NOW. GET IT AND KEEP GETTING IT UNTIL YOU CANT FIND IT OR AFFORD IT. BOTH WILL HAPPEN. T

smullen | 03-13-2009 11:20 PM
Re: Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass I really think it is comming...

Shoden | 03-17-2009 08:55 PM
Re: Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass Here's an update and some good news: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ss-ban-lifted/ Quote:
Dear Loyal Customers, Thanks to your voice, DOD has rescinded the order to mutilate all spent cases as of 4:30 pm on 3/17/09. We appreciate the time and effort that you expended, together we all made a difference. We will be posting the email we received from DOD as well as any additional information within the next 12-16 hours. Thanks so much and lets get to work!!! Georgia Arms
and Quote:
This post on ar15.com is apparently by an employee of Government Liquidation: Tromatic is actually pretty close with his assessment. The facts as I know them, which come directly from candid discussions with my CEO, indicate the following: - Prior to 11/2008, Demil B items required no mutilation for sale to the public. That policy changed in November, but several exceptions were granted. Expended munitions brass was one of those given a waiver. - Enter the new administration. Since Demil B category items had been given a broad, general label as �national security sensitive� someone above the DRMS (likely in the DLA) reviewed the policy and immediately went with a CYA policy and yanked all exemptions. No thoughts or considerations were given to the implications of this policy change, but this directive was issued to DOD Surplus effective immediately last week. - Shit storm blows up as a result. In particular, the letters, phone calls, and emails to our legislators, the media, and anyone else who would listen caused this policy to be review post haste. - As of this morning our company was informed that expended munitions brass will now be reclassified as Demil Q �� which requires no mutilation unless sold to a foreign country. There you have it. The policy change was simply the result of some n00b administrator attempting to close a perceived �national security� loophole and brass got caught up in the snare. There was no political motivation behind the policy change, but it is good that people like us were suspicious, got involved, and helped bring about a resolution. Ed
and Quote:
Dear MSSA Friends, I just received a phone call from the office of U.S. Senator Tester of Montana to inform me that at 5:15 (EST) today a letter cosigned by Senator Tester (D-MT) and Senator Baucus (D-MT) was faxed to the Department of Defense asking DoD to reverse its new policy requiring destruction of fired military cartridge brass. At 5:30, I am told, Tester�s office received a fax back from DoD saying that the brass destruction policy IS reversed. Others report to me that they are already seeing evidence of this on the Websites of entities that liquidate surplus DoD commodities. Our thanks go out to Senator Tester and Senator Baucus, and their staff, for getting on this problem promptly and making the reversal happen Staff for Tester and Baucus promise they will get me the documentation for this reversal tomorrow morning. I�ll forward that when I get it. Best wishes, Gary Marbut, president Montana Shooting Sports Association http://www.mtssa.org author, Gun Laws of Montana http://www.mtpublish.com

Dave Thomas | 03-17-2009 09:06 PM
Re: Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass Is buying Sellier and Bellot even worth it? How do you stack up brass casings? I know there is a premium on Norma brass, but what gives, people say things like they can get away with 10+ reloads with Norma, as opposed with plain ol Winchester, are the tolerances/materials between these manufacturers really that different?

TomD | 03-18-2009 07:39 AM
Re: Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Thomas (Post 1631148) Is buying Sellier and Bellot even worth it? How do you stack up brass casings? I know there is a premium on Norma brass, but what gives, people say things like they can get away with 10+ reloads with Norma, as opposed with plain ol Winchester, are the tolerances/materials between these manufacturers really that different?
I buy premium brass, almost always Lapua. There are significant differences in raw brass, both case to case uniformity and in the brass material. Before this current mess hit, Remchester brass in 223 cost around $0.20/piece and Lapua or Norma around $0.50. In addition to the number of loads per, there are significant accuracy differences due to uniformity and concentricity. There are some calibers that you can shoot out a barrel with 20 pieces of brass.

meatman | 03-18-2009 12:08 PM
Re: Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass NOTICE!!! A hardy congratulation is due to our loyal customers, our good friends, and our fellow shooting enthusiasts through out this great nation! Due to the diligent and overwhelming effort of many thousands of you, calling, writing, and emailing our elected officials, DOD Surplus, LLC, has rescinded its prior directive that ALL small arms spent casings be mutilated rather than recycled. This was a huge victory for common sense and we would like to thank each and every person who made an effort and played a role in correcting this mistake. We at Georgia Arms are proud of everyone who took the time and had the courage to stand up for our rights. We believe, that by your outpouring of anger and dismay, you not only extended our liberty and freedoms but also took a stand for economic common sense in a time when we know our government should be trying to reduce costs at all levels rather than throwing money away for some politically correct reason or the other. Again, our hat is off to everyone who helped and thanks to God as well. We will roll up our sleeves and go back to work; we have 223’s and 308’s to build! We will start shipping backorders today. (Below is a copy of the email we received from DOD on 3/17/09 @ 4:30pm) GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!!! (This was pertaining to an outstanding bid on a lot of brass that we won prior to the mutilation order. DOD sent us a bill for the brass after we had refused it due to the mutilation requirements. DOD on Monday sent us a bill for the brass and when we responded that we had already refused it due to the mutilation clause, we received this reply via email.) I am sorry you hadn’t been informed – Word came down that all shells 50 caliber or smaller CAN still be purchased without the mutilation requirement as long as kept in the US. (As it was in limbo, I did not sent your EUC to Battle Creek until today, also why I have not contacted you for payment until today.) Thanks! Arana K. Wolin Document Verification Supervisor Government Liquidation, LLC DOD Surplus, LLC 15051 N Kierland Blvd. #300 Scottsdale, AZ 85254

CrufflerJJ | 03-18-2009 01:24 PM
Re: Government Ordered Destruction Of All Military Spent Brass Suppliers of mil-surplus brass are opening up the faucets again. Earlier today Scharch/Top Brass didn't have rifle brass on their website, but it's back up now: http://www.scharch.com/

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