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shinylid | 10-04-2008 05:13 PM
All non-Glock 9mm fans I love the dependability of the Glocks, but without any form of safety I cannot see having one in my pants. That being said- what are some other good 9mm choices? I did some searching on past threads, but most everyone goes into saying that Glock is king or go revolver or another caliber all together. I know I want a 9mm, and yes, the more reliable the better. I would like to stay somewhat on the cheaper end if possible. Also, is it cost effective to just buy parts and build a gun? THANKS!!!

reviver | 10-04-2008 05:25 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Quote:
Originally Posted by shinylid (Post 1333387) I love the dependability of the Glocks, but without any form of safety I cannot see having one in my pants. That being said- what are some other good 9mm choices? I did some searching on past threads, but most everyone goes into saying that Glock is king or go revolver or another caliber all together. I know I want a 9mm, and yes, the more reliable the better. I would like to stay somewhat on the cheaper end if possible.
There are lots of excellent 9mm handguns out there. Quote:
Originally Posted by shinylid (Post 1333387) Also, is it cost effective to just buy parts and build a gun? THANKS!!!
Are you for real?

sirgonzo420 | 10-04-2008 05:27 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans I have a Taurus PT 92 and it's not failed me. http://www.gundirectory.com/guns/20263-1.jpg

Slimer | 10-04-2008 05:30 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans I would look at SIG.

latitude22 | 10-04-2008 05:32 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans I have a glock 23 and two Springfield XD's, I love the XD's.

thorgrim | 10-04-2008 05:33 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans I don't think I would put any hand gun down my pants. That is what a proper holster that covers the trigger is for. Lack of safety is no longer a problem. As for other options I think the XD has a safety and is quite reliable although I have never owned one. I have shot one in 9mm though and it was quite nice to shoot. Also the new XDm might be an option. It is 40 cal only but it still has 16+1 capacity so you are only giving up one round for a larger caliber.

Cassius | 10-04-2008 05:33 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans I think you misunderstand. Glocks DO have safeties -- several of them. They are just automatic internal safeties. For example, the trigger is designed such that it can't be pulled from the edges, it has to be fully covered with a finger. It's like a trigger within a trigger. Also there are internal safeties to prevent firing if the gun is dropped on the ground or otherwise impacted externally. The only thing it lacks is a MANUAL, EXTERNAL SAFETY. But since rule #1 of gun safety is treat all guns as if they are loaded, an manual external safety is almost like the illusion of safety because you should handle guns at all times as if the safety is off even if it isn't. I'm new to firearms myself as of a couple of years ago and I chose a Glock for myself precisely BECAUSE it does not have a manual safety. I view it as a crutch that I could easily become dependent on, and could possibly form bad habits. But to each his own!

Argentsum | 10-04-2008 05:36 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Some people have regard for the Springfield XD 9 series. I don't believe they have a standard safety either but they require squeezing the handle as well as trigger to enable them to discharge.

latitude22 | 10-04-2008 05:37 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Two things I like about the xd over the glock. It has both visual and by touch chambered round indicator and firing pin indicator.

LukeNM | 10-04-2008 06:00 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Here you go! http://www.fobusholster.com/images/p...review/glc.jpg http://www.fobusholster.com/products...TER-92-51.html Problem solved...

Twisted Avatar | 10-04-2008 06:06 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Quote:
Originally Posted by Cassius (Post 1333424) I think you misunderstand. Glocks DO have safeties -- several of them. They are just automatic internal safeties. For example, the trigger is designed such that it can't be pulled from the edges, it has to be fully covered with a finger. It's like a trigger within a trigger. Also there are internal safeties to prevent firing if the gun is dropped on the ground or otherwise impacted externally. The only thing it lacks is a MANUAL, EXTERNAL SAFETY. But since rule #1 of gun safety is treat all guns as if they are loaded, an manual external safety is almost like the illusion of safety because you should handle guns at all times as if the safety is off even if it isn't. I'm new to firearms myself as of a couple of years ago and I chose a Glock for myself precisely BECAUSE it does not have a manual safety. I view it as a crutch that I could easily become dependent on, and could possibly form bad habits. But to each his own!
Excellent synopsis and fully agree. All you need is one fine wasitband holster and you should be good to go. T

Stand Watie | 10-04-2008 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by shinylid (Post 1333387) I love the dependability of the Glocks, but without any form of safety I cannot see having one in my pants.
I felt the same way for years but finally bought one (10mm) in 2007. The best safety feature: don't keep a round in the chamber.

the toxic avenger | 10-04-2008 06:19 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans The CZ 75 is a great 9mm. It's arguably the best quality handgun on the planet for the price. They can be found new for around $375.00 and their quality is second to none. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ75

The Argent Dragon | 10-04-2008 06:25 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans I'm in the process of buying one of these bad boys ! http://members.shaw.ca/tmcveigh/Proj...ratec_TEC9.jpg Intratec Tec-DC9........oh yeah ! :s15:

Twisted Avatar | 10-04-2008 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1333499) I'm in the process of buying one of these bad boys ! http://members.shaw.ca/tmcveigh/Proj...ratec_TEC9.jpg Intratec Tec-DC9........oh yeah ! :s15:
What state are you in AD where you can pick up a beast like that ??? Im jealous! :banghead: T

MOD1 | 10-04-2008 06:29 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Quote:
Originally Posted by the toxic avenger (Post 1333487) The CZ 75 is a great 9mm. It's arguably the best quality handgun on the planet for the price. They can be found new for around $375.00 and their quality is second to none. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ75
I think so too. Take care, Mod1

the toxic avenger | 10-04-2008 06:29 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Not a 9mm, but this was my last handgun purchase http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLR-16 Same designer as the tec 9 You Tube
You Tube

latitude22 | 10-04-2008 06:33 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans personally if you are looking for a carry weapon I would look at the xd sub-compact, that's what I carry and I love it, the glocks IMHO are way over rated. I dropped a slide on one of my glocks, didn't dent it or anything however little cracks started radiating away from the area, glock charged me $325 for a new one, I had one of the first XD's, I keep the thing on the boat next to my bed (other guns are in pelican cases) the slide rusted, just small pitting I called Springfield and asked them what I should do about it, they said send it back lifetime warranty we'll send you a new one, no charge I paid for the shipping to them. Anyhow, when it comes to guns I really think it's just a matter of opinion for the most part unless you buy a piece of junk, buy what feels best in your hands and what you like.

Drumblebum | 10-04-2008 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1333499) I'm in the process of buying one of these bad boys ! http://members.shaw.ca/tmcveigh/Proj...ratec_TEC9.jpg Intratec Tec-DC9........oh yeah ! :s15:
Damn ya! I used to have that same gun years ago... can those still be had?? Mine had a threaded barrel, and I had a couple of factory 32 rd mags for it. Only thing was, it would jam if anything but factory ammo was used in it - both times I used reloads I had problems. I was so pissed when it got ripped off, though it was my own fault for not keeping it secured. Loved that gun, but people gave me so much crap because it was sort of a cheap gun ($200 new at the time). I would give damn near anything to have another one of those, but alas I live in CA, and those are...well, frowned upon to say the least. I was able to keep mine because I had registered it pre-ban. I'm jealous, dude.:banghead: Good on ya anyhow...:applause_ I have an XD 9mm Tactical (5-inch)... popped off a few out of it a couple weeks ago in Spokane... good gun - and the safety features are actually pretty cool, the gun can basically only be fired if you have a good grip on it, and the round-in-chamber and hammer-cocked indicators could come in pretty handy, especially at night.

buff01 | 10-04-2008 07:16 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans I vote for CZ-75B P01. It's the best feeling 9mm I've held. http://www.gundirectory.com/guns/20177-1.jpg

<SLV> | 10-04-2008 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by buff01 (Post 1333601) I vote for CZ-75B P01. It's the best feeling 9mm I've held. http://www.gundirectory.com/guns/20177-1.jpg
Ditto. It is my main sidearm. Pick it up once -- it feels like it was born in your hand.

Eastex | 10-04-2008 07:20 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Echoing others, I really like the XD9SC. The trigger safety along with the grip safety makes it, IMO, one of the safest CC firearms I've seen. My XD9sc fires 115, 124, and 147 grain with no problems.

<SLV> | 10-04-2008 07:23 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans I would never get a defensive gun with a safety. Just a good DA/SA with decocker.

igorthesmall | 10-04-2008 07:36 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Hi Point 9mm. $140 bucks with a lifetime warranty, and always goes bang. After you run out of ammo, you can use it as a club! I have a glock 19 also, but honestly I kind of like the Hipoint better. If it held more rounds, I would be tempted to carry it. (I carry the glock in a smartcarry holster, havent shot my family jewels off, yet)

goldrad | 10-04-2008 07:44 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Berretta 92FS in 9mm is one that comes to mind. Heard lots of good stuff about CZ, but the price has gone up quite a bit, 500-600ish for a new one.

the toxic avenger | 10-04-2008 08:26 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans CZ 75's have gone up some. Here's one for $460.00. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/13655

the toxic avenger | 10-04-2008 08:32 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans It looks like Rock Island now has a CZ clone. http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AC-MAP1FS.aspx I've also heard good things about the Bulgarian Arcus for the money. http://www.centerfiresystems.com/ARCUS-DAC.aspx

Tn...Andy | 10-04-2008 08:40 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Quote:
Originally Posted by shinylid (Post 1333387) I love the dependability of the Glocks, but without any form of safety I cannot see having one in my pants.
If you ever have to actually pull a pistol out and use it, you might come to appreciate the lack of thumb safety when your pistol doesn't go BANG and the other guy's does. Same thing for the advice to not keep one in the chamber. Unloaded guns and safeties will get YOU shot in the heat of the moment.

latitude22 | 10-04-2008 08:45 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans I would never want an actual on/off safety on a carry weapon, but there is nothing wrong with the trigger and palm safeties on the XD or the Glock for that matter.

Drumblebum | 10-04-2008 09:02 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Quote:
Originally Posted by goldrad (Post 1333644) Berretta 92FS in 9mm is one that comes to mind. Heard lots of good stuff about CZ, but the price has gone up quite a bit, 500-600ish for a new one.
92FS is great... but good luck trying to find a new one. IIRC, that's a military standard issue now, ain't it? I wanted one and was told there really ain't none to be had new... all in Iraq. Maybe just around here...dunno.

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electric-amish | 10-04-2008 09:03 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1333732) If you ever have to actually pull a pistol out and use it, you might come to appreciate the lack of thumb safety when your pistol doesn't go BANG and the other guy's does. Same thing for the advice to not keep one in the chamber. Unloaded guns and safeties will get YOU shot in the heat of the moment.
Andys right Think about this long and hard--- adrenalin jacks up fine motor skills. Finding a safety without a butt load of practice to make it automatic will get you extra vent holes. I like the Smith and Wesson M&P or CZ in semis E-A

Satyr | 10-04-2008 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by latitude22 (Post 1333738) I would never want an actual on/off safety on a carry weapon, but there is nothing wrong with the trigger and palm safeties on the XD or the Glock for that matter.
I own a CZ 75 BD. The safety feature on a CZ is the ability to lock the hammer in a half-cocked position. When you need it, it's ready. If you drop it, it's safe. The action is super tight. They break down fast and easy for cleaning and reassemble almost as fast. They fit like a glove and the balance is superb. If you buy one, you won't regret it. I know I haven't.

GoldWampum | 10-04-2008 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by latitude22 (Post 1333421) I have a glock 23 and two Springfield XD's, I love the XD's.
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Originally Posted by thorgrim (Post 1333423) I don't think I would put any hand gun down my pants. That is what a proper holster that covers the trigger is for. Lack of safety is no longer a problem. As for other options I think the XD has a safety and is quite reliable although I have never owned one. I have shot one in 9mm though and it was quite nice to shoot. Also the new XDm might be an option. It is 40 cal only but it still has 16+1 capacity so you are only giving up one round for a larger caliber.
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Originally Posted by Argentsum (Post 1333431) Some people have regard for the Springfield XD 9 series. I don't believe they have a standard safety either but they require squeezing the handle as well as trigger to enable them to discharge.
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Originally Posted by latitude22 (Post 1333432) Two things I like about the xd over the glock. It has both visual and by touch chambered round indicator and firing pin indicator.
I am an XD fan for all the above reasons... several more safety features, yet just as ready and able to fire when needed.

Stand Watie | 10-04-2008 09:20 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1333732) If you ever have to actually pull a pistol out and use it, you might come to appreciate the lack of thumb safety when your pistol doesn't go BANG and the other guy's does. Same thing for the advice to not keep one in the chamber. Unloaded guns and safeties will get YOU shot in the heat of the moment.
Screw that. I have to sleep with my 10mm under my pillow and I'm not leaving one in the chamber. When I need to go "hot", I'm quick enough to get one in there.

mike77777 | 10-04-2008 09:24 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans browning hi power 13 rd.............walnut and blue steel...........proven design. the others mentioned are all good choices also.

GoldWampum | 10-04-2008 09:28 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1333732) If you ever have to actually pull a pistol out and use it, you might come to appreciate the lack of thumb safety when your pistol doesn't go BANG and the other guy's does. Same thing for the advice to not keep one in the chamber. Unloaded guns and safeties will get YOU shot in the heat of the moment.
Agreed. An unloaded gun is just a club.

GoldWampum | 10-04-2008 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Stand Watie (Post 1333797) Screw that. I have to sleep with my 10mm under my pillow and I'm not leaving one in the chamber. When I need to go "hot", I'm quick enough to get one in there.
And the noise gives away your position and readiness. Don't underestimate stealth.

Argentsum | 10-04-2008 09:33 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans The only issue I have with the XD9SC is that my little finger falls off the short mags. Anyone know of a short mag for an XD9SC that has some lip to brace one's little finger?

TTAZZMAN | 10-05-2008 12:29 AM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans i personally like the walther 9mm's ...shoot great, polymer,adjustable backstraps, P99 will hold 15 in a hicap, best mag release around, never had a jamb of any type, acc rails, etc definitely worth trying

mick silver | 10-05-2008 12:32 AM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans ruger ps95 dam good gun

latitude22 | 10-05-2008 12:55 AM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans i have a p91dc thing weighs a little over 1 ton

EE_ | 10-05-2008 12:57 AM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans http://www.self-defender.net/weapons/beretta92.gif Italian made...no plastic parts.

TUMS | 10-05-2008 12:58 AM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Without a doubt...Browning Hi-Power Otherwise if your looking to conceal carry. I'd go with a Kahr 9mm.

AZLiberty | 10-05-2008 01:36 AM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Springfield XD - No thumb safety but has a grip safety CZ-75 (my favorite) Browning Hi-power

SilverCity | 10-05-2008 01:41 AM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans 2 Attachment(s) Sig P239 or P6

latitude22 | 10-05-2008 01:43 AM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans The p239 is a damn fine gun, one of the best out there.

HiHoSilver64 | 10-05-2008 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldWampum (Post 1333809) And the noise gives away your position and readiness. Don't underestimate stealth.
+1 I completely agree! http://members.aol.com/saftblok/ Might want to look into this device. Never used one but then again I don't carry any handgun loose inside my waist band etc.

thorgrim | 10-05-2008 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Stand Watie (Post 1333797) Screw that. I have to sleep with my 10mm under my pillow and I'm not leaving one in the chamber. When I need to go "hot", I'm quick enough to get one in there.
what's wrong with keeping it on/in a bedside stand?

essixx | 10-05-2008 03:31 AM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Find a Smith 3906 or 6906. Can be had around $300.00. Summit Gun has the 6906 with night sights for $285.00. Nice carry piece and reliable.

Pounces On Ounces | 10-05-2008 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mick silver (Post 1334018) ruger ps95 dam good gun
The P95DC is reliable, built like a tank, & will shoot 9mm +p+ all day long. Hell, it'll eat anything you feed it. Might be bulky & "overbuilt" but it'll never let you down when it counts. 15 round clips are nice I've fed a couple thousand rounds thought mine without any complaint. With the d/a trigger the safety is not an issue. Takes a while to get used to the LONG trigger pull on the 1st shot, but once you get used to that its a fantasic gun for the $$$. Hogue grips make all the difference for a few bucks more http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/cb_gun2/p95_s.jpg

Glass | 10-05-2008 05:47 AM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans have you thought about an HS2000. I am not sure if this is the springfield XDS but I think it might be. I have been waiting for my CZ SP01 to arrive. I don't know how much longer it will take. So today I shot the HS2000 down at the range. I have shot this before but it was a while ago. I don't like glocks, the S&W MP is not bad, but anyway I was fairly impressed by the HS2000. It was heavier than I expected so the weight was good. I find the MP and glocks are a bit light and snappy. The HS2000 was very acurate. For a range hire gun it was just about the most acurate I have used. Now I am seriously considering it. We don't have the luxury of the smaller handguns here. We are limited to 120mm minimum barrel length. The HS2000 as I used it was 5", 127mm or so I think. It has good safety features as well. Handle safety, a glock like trigger safety, some other elements as well. You know I have been so focussed on getting a CZ, I think they have the best out of the box rep but it is taking so long. they have to be imported and there was some problem with the last shipment. oh well. I will think about it now.

TUMS | 10-05-2008 06:29 AM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Sigs are great. The P239 is great. I have one. I love everything about it, except the trigger pull. Sigs need trigger work to be REALLY GREAT guns. I realise a lot of it is for safety reasons. For a stock gun I would definitely choose Browning Hi-Power. I would rather have to deal with a manual safety like I do on the Hi-Power and have a much shorter trigger pull.

Stand Watie | 10-05-2008 07:47 AM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Quote:
Originally Posted by thorgrim (Post 1334173) what's wrong with keeping it on/in a bedside stand?
So if someone sneaks in while I'm sleeping they can grab it? No thanks. In The Corps, we always slept with our weapon—although I never went as far as giving mine a name. As for stealth and not wanting to fumble with a safety, that's what they make revolvers for (which is what I usually carry outside my home).

.375 | 10-05-2008 03:58 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans ditto on CZ P 01. It's very ergonomic.

latitude22 | 10-05-2008 04:26 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Quote:
Originally Posted by Stand Watie (Post 1334296) So if someone sneaks in while I'm sleeping they can grab it? No thanks. In The Corps, we always slept with our weapon�although I never went as far as giving mine a name. As for stealth and not wanting to fumble with a safety, that's what they make revolvers for (which is what I usually carry outside my home).
What the hell are you doing letting people sneak up on you!

electric-amish | 10-05-2008 09:31 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Quote:
Originally Posted by Stand Watie (Post 1334296) So if someone sneaks in while I'm sleeping they can grab it? No thanks. In The Corps, we always slept with our weapon�although I never went as far as giving mine a name. As for stealth and not wanting to fumble with a safety, that's what they make revolvers for (which is what I usually carry outside my home).
Jack Russle Terrier is my don't sneek up on me alarm. Good luck sneekers---- would never happen. They sleep with you--I adapted because she wouldn't. HAHAHAHAHA E-A

Irons | 10-05-2008 09:43 PM
Re: All non-Glock 9mm fans Quote:
Originally Posted by shinylid (Post 1333387) I love the dependability of the Glocks, but without any form of safety I cannot see having one in my pants. That being said- what are some other good 9mm choices? I did some searching on past threads, but most everyone goes into saying that Glock is king or go revolver or another caliber all together. I know I want a 9mm, and yes, the more reliable the better. I would like to stay somewhat on the cheaper end if possible. Also, is it cost effective to just buy parts and build a gun? THANKS!!!
I don't own any glocks for just that reason.There are so many great handguns out there making a choice can be difficult.I narrow it down for myself, and this is just my opinion, by this. I will not own a handgun that does not have an external hammer. :9536:

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