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steel_ag | 04-23-2008 05:44 PM
Masada

steel_ag | 04-23-2008 05:46 PM
Re: Masada available for civilian purchase in 2nd quarter 2008?

Seleukus Nikator | 04-23-2008 05:50 PM
Re: Masada masada? wtf kind of name is that? what do you do, hide behind the wall and shoot yourself when the bad guys come in? thumbs down on the name.

steel_ag | 04-23-2008 06:02 PM
Re: Masada what's not to love about this weapon performance-wise? waiting to hear more reports about how it performs

steel_ag | 04-23-2008 06:17 PM
Re: Masada 2007

steel_ag | 04-23-2008 06:25 PM
Re: Masada Bushmaster ACR - 2008, Masada improvement

steel_ag | 04-23-2008 06:41 PM
Re: Masada Youtube comments... swedexoperator (2 months ago) 0 Reply This dude got more or less the exact same body language as you monkey, you related? oh and btw really nice vids mate! kaiserpanda (2 months ago) +2 Reply Your videos are excellent! Thank you very much. :D extremeliyo (2 months ago) 0 Reply Very Nice. MrBryanB (2 months ago) 0 Reply It looks more like the FN SCAR. IMO Magpul (2 months ago) +3 Reply FN SCAR is based upon the Super FNC while the ACR is based upon the AR18. ACR offers tool-less QD barrel change and the operating group can be removed without complete disassembly of the rifle. The ACR also offer three types of stocks and handguards vs the SCARs one choice. The ACR uses stock AR15 barrels and AR15 fire control parts in a user removable ALU trigger pack. MrBryanB (2 months ago) 0 Reply What I meant was it looked like the SCAR Externally to clear things up. :) Either way I'd still go for the ACR. NWguy83 (2 months ago) 0 Reply Is there a set release date for civilian sales? GhostriderRSA (2 months ago) 0 Reply Drake said civvie sales 2nd quarter 2008. These are going to do exceptionally well across the board IMHO. The only addition I'd like to see is CHF barrels if these are not standard already. MagPul know their stuff - impressive as always. mohepworth (2 months ago) 0 Reply I wonder what the length of the PRS is? i hope in the 18.6" + .... ret13yrs (2 months ago) 0 Reply i like that buttstock a lot better than than the masadas..wonder what they'll cost?? res0290 (2 months ago) 0 Reply MSRP is projected to be around $1400. juki009 (2 months ago) 0 Reply Bushmaster bought the design? Because its called the "Bushmaster ACR"...no mention of Magpul in the name res0290 (2 months ago) 0 Reply Bushmaster bought the design to mass produce the unit...Magpul doesn't have the facilities to produce large quantities of a weapon. TatsuOyama (2 months ago) +1 Reply Holy crap...I thought the old Masada was tight. The ACR revisions look well worth it. Magpul...just awesome. Now I am just totally blown away and I can't friggin WAIT to get one of these into the old mits. Thanks Monkey. timmytithead (2 months ago) -2 Reply the stock off the 2nd acr looks like a psg1 stock and the fore grip looks like a g36 pdias92 (2 months ago) 0 Reply very promising gun, I rather have the Bushmaster ACR than the FN SCAR res0290 (2 months ago) 0 Reply Anyone have any clue what type of knife he uses at one point to pop the rear receiver pin? unclethanatos (2 months ago) 0 Reply anyone know if the barrels retain zero if you remove them and put them back? OptimusGonzoo (2 months ago) +2 Reply and why can't the US army replace the M16 with something like this? cowboysarecool (1 month ago) 0 Reply The problem is that for the military to change a standard-issue weapon,it involves thousands of guns and millions of dollars. Naturally, they torture test prospective guns to see if it is worth the expense. The last time the U.S military looked at getting rid of the M-16 is when they tested a caseless ammo machine gun that was developed by the Germans. The gun was not adopted because the gun would fire without pulling the trigger if it got too hot. The problem was fixed, but it was too late. RichardLameo (2 months ago) 0 Reply The PRS variant looks alot like a G36 that accepts AR magazines, with added fixed stock. xAngelKilleRx (2 months ago) 0 Reply Any idea how much a Masada/ACR is gona cost? antm4n311 (1 month ago) 0 Reply $1400-$1800. That's pretty cheap for EVERYTHING that comes with the Masada/ACR. I can't wait! xiaoyuanliu (2 months ago) +3 Reply Haha, "Bushmaster ACR....Get some!" ellidogy (2 months ago) +2 Reply Im seeing alot of potential with weapon system, looking foward to see what other rounds the are going to chamber this in. I will definitely give this weapon a try!!!! I never liked the ar gas tube design in the first place but thats jus my 2 cents. semper fi !!!!!!!!!!!! TheColdTruth (1 month ago) 0 Reply I don't think they understand that a bazillion features and parts are NOT a good thing. You want the absolute bare minimum of mechanical parts. Look at Glock or the AK. Bare minimum of parts, reliable as hell. No matter the weapon design, if you make it overcomplicated it will not be practical. Remember that caseless rifle H&K made? milspecmonkey (1 month ago) Reply I think having less parts when possible is good, but the ACR doesn't appear to particularly be part count heavy. iunnox666 (1 month ago) 0 Reply I didn't think so either, it does have a lot of features but those don't increase the part count. Do you know how much these will go for? esch1310 (1 month ago) +1 Reply Hmm, having field stripped an AK, I can see that the ACR is much simpler in that respect. It's even easier than an AR for that matter. And clearly more ergonomic than the AK series. The gas piston operation should give it comparable reliability. Good work, Rich and everybody! atlanyapistol44 (1 month ago) 0 Reply i heard that there is a 7.62x39 version of this gun, is that going to be released on the same date? massaogrady (1 month ago) 0 Reply to the comment below me there dosent seem to be too many parts, ak47 is so reliable because all its parts are lose not just simple but lose parts sacrifice alotta accuracy, seems to be a nice lil package tho id bet my boots the magpul shoman is a marine GET SOMe magpul nice job ReconTeam111 (1 month ago) +1 Reply Looks like a fine weapon, does it come in 6.8x43mm caliber? steyrproof (1 month ago) 0 Reply scar or acr... that is the question MaximusErectius (1 month ago) +2 Reply I have yet to find anything Magpul I have not liked, but I have a few questions about the weapon since it changed from the Masada: 1. Is the charging handle non-reciprical? 2. Do the charging handles poke out so that it would stick in ur side if slung? 3. Does the stock still fold? 4. Is there storage in the stock? 5. Has the price changed? Alien1099 (1 month ago) -2 Reply 1. Don't think so considering that you have to lock in the forward assist 2. Pretty sure you set it to have the charging handle on only one side and swap sides or have both. 3. Yes they still have a folding stock design. 4. Yes there is a battery storage compartment in the folding stock and I assume the same for the other stocks (probably larger compartments for the fixed ones) 5. Price has been said to be right around $1400US. I wouldn't expect that to change much, maybe as high as $1600 though treesquid (1 month ago) 0 Reply He said there was a folding stock available, that gun just didn't have one. TheMengDynasty (1 month ago) -4 Reply But does the gas operation have the same problem as the M-16/M-4? Or is it like the HK416 uses a proprietary gas system replacing the direct impingement gas system used by the standard M16/M4. The HK system uses a short-stroke piston driving an operating rod to force the bolt carrier to retract. This design prevents propellant gases from entering the weapon's interior, a traditional short-coming with direct gas impingement systems Which is best? HK416 vs. XM8 vs. ACR???? DeliriumVideos (6 days ago) 0 Reply It uses a short-stroke gas piston, the only problems it would have related to the AR-15 / M16 would be related to the star chamber. 416 = good improvement. XM8 = good in theory, but not ubiquitous. ACR = good replacement / improvements. iknowmy3table (1 month ago) +2 Reply so thats a gas piston, and typical bushmaster layout, I think this out does the hk416, it should be contracted as the SCAR it's even better Akshole (1 month ago) +1 Reply Whats the torture test result for this? bigpapa181 (1 month ago) +2 Reply If it uses AR barrels and bolts, in theory the end user should be able to convert it to 6.8 or 6.5 on his own. Unless I'm missing something... iunnox666 (1 month ago) +4 Reply They are also planning on making a 7.62x39mm version of most components. ShootBlueHelmets (1 month ago) +1 Reply Sounds right. I was just telling someone the other day that a 6.5 Grendel barrel, a 5.56 lower and 7.62x39 bolt should be about it. Oh, and the barrel parts and 6.5 mag of course. I hope Magpul will consider making PMAGs for 6.5 soon. Axlsexy1 (1 month ago) 0 Reply ACR﻿ wips the SCAR im gettin a ACR CappinSumBitch (1 month ago) +13 Reply lol "Git Sum" nice. That is an awesome firearm! elcheat (1 month ago) +12 Reply I'm continually surprised by the skill of Magpul. This gun looks amazing. Wish I had $1500 lying around so I could get one lol. Did anyone else notice his switchblade? ecvmsparky (1 month ago) +18 Reply w00t w00t!!!! Kudos to bushy for supporting the American PUBLIC, and NOT puliing a "LAw Enforcement/gov is Superior to stupid commoners" ala H&K WIN shinygerbil (1 month ago) +3 Reply "squared away" labartic (1 month ago) +11 Reply Please put this weapon out ASAP, I would like to have one before the economy takes an absolute shit and things get really bad. While my dollars are worth something, id like to spend them on guns, bullets, and beans...so to speak :) ReconTeam111 (1 month ago) +1 Reply That in 6.8x43mm would be a damn nice weapon. Wonder how it compares all around to the Mk.16 SCAR L? klarkatoo (1 week ago) 0 Reply Probably not too well. Don't get me wrong, I favor this weapon over the SCAR, but the two weapons were not built for the same purpose. The ACR is focused on the civilian market, while the SCAR was built by request of SOCOM and is focused on the military market. The ACR will probably never see any deployment but should be a far better civilian weapon. The way things are going the SCAR may not hit the civilian market for a couple years, it's already been delayed quite a bit. GunsAnd90sRock (5 days ago) 0 Reply I think they're making one. Also a 7.62x39mm Russian last I heard. Oh, and this kicks the shit out of the SCAR. The SCAR was WAY too complicated. malleymyster (3 weeks ago) 0 Reply do they make conversion kits for the XCR to turn into either 5.45 or 6.5? if not, and it still takes too long to order that, ima just say "**** this" and roll with the masada in 6.5. olbertus (3 weeks ago) +5 Reply Chinstrap beard man is a good salesman, I really want one of these when they are offered to the civil market... CAPTAINRUSSIA1 (3 weeks ago) 0 Reply This thing is freakin' great.Check out flash light,it's in my favorites.This stuff will help kick butt for sure,good stuff...thanks for posting. MarineWMU911 (3 weeks ago) +2 Reply The weapon is being released in may 2nd quarter 2008, april-june, and will be released in 5.56x45mm (M16 round), 7.62x39mm (AK round), 6.8x43mm SPC (In production, will not be with the initial release), and the Grendel round. Since its being produced with bushmaster they'll probably make a bushmaster .450 as well. MASADA IS HERE!!!! Rimmy138 (3 weeks ago) 0 Reply when you pay the 1400, do you get all the different stocks? or would you have to buy them seperately? klarkatoo (1 week ago) 0 Reply I can all but promise you you'll have to buy them separately. If I had to guess, the standard model would probably come with the railed handguards and the fixed stock, though I'm sure you'll be able to choose what you want when you're ordering. bighitter42 (2 days ago) 0 Reply klarkatoo, on most models you will have to buy the rails as well. But the plastic handguards are badass on it. saiberunato (2 weeks ago) 0 Reply Neat looking gun! So they moved the charging handle forward to avoid impeding the optic mounts along the receiver. Interesting. But I wonder, wouldn't the charging handle NOW impede attachments placed along the foregrip area like (entry light, laser pointer, etc.)? Captaindamn85 (1 week ago) +1 Reply AR-15 lower reciever? America really loves the AR-15 family of guns. Not that I'm complaining, it's probably one of the best weapons ever mads. mmx25 (2 days ago) 0 Reply They weren't trying to reinvent the wheel. It's a 556 gun, and the AR family has an excellent trigger selection available. The idea of this gun was to blend the best of the G36, G3, M16, SCAR etc... into one modular rifle. They hit the mark and I hope this becomes standard issue. DeltaZax (5 days ago) 0 Reply FINALLY someone moved the charging handle to the forgrip section. Good incorporated gas piston cycling system. However, I'd like a different stock, looks... big (?). idk, not my style. Bolt catch feature is really nice. Now they need to team up with Alexande Arms and put these into the Grendel caliber. Then I'd buy one. I have to triple tap with a 556. I like all the features, but I could live without em'. Too much plastic on weapons nowa days. Some is aight though. NICE WEAPON! -HooaH- Thx1138d (3 days ago) 0 Reply The only thing I did not like about the Masada was the charging handle. The forward one is a nice improvement. This weapon should be sent to our troops in 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel or 6.5 MPC. Houtaku (2 days ago) 0 Reply Great looking weapon, Although the apparent choice to go with an non-removable pistol grip is... strange considering that Magpul is selling so many MIAD grips. Not being able to swap out your battle grip for a Hogue precision shooting grip is a small and unnecessary handicap, IMO.

steel_ag | 04-23-2008 06:54 PM
Re: Masada I hope you are kidding

Seleukus Nikator | 04-23-2008 07:16 PM
Re: Masada dont know about performance but if you make an awful commercial choice like a bad product name, it wont matter three or four years from now anyways will it there have been plenty of neat firearms that failed for lack of good business promotion sales etc you start with a decent name. if you think this is a decent name then maybe you dont know about masada. but I will grant you it looks like a great product nonetheless, thanks for sharing.

steel_ag | 04-23-2008 07:30 PM
Re: Masada SF note, it will be manufactured with 6.5 and 7.62 versions and interchangeability between calibers...

Twisted Avatar | 04-23-2008 07:33 PM
Re: Masada Whatever it is........ whatever the price........ if civilians can get it ......I want it. That will be very handy over the next 24-36 months.... T

steel_ag | 04-23-2008 08:28 PM
Re: Masada Mumwaldee, thanks for the link Skytrooper, do you have a link to the proposed legislation? Thanks

Twisted Avatar | 04-23-2008 08:55 PM
Re: Masada Quote:
Originally Posted by steel_ag (Post 1075658) Mumwaldee, thanks for the link Skytrooper, do you have a link to the proposed legislation? Thanks
It dosent make a lick of differnce what law they try to pass now..... the can pass legislation against looking at the moon on the 4th tuesday of the month for all I care possesion is 9/10's the law I OWN MY GUNs AND THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY YOUR "LEGISLATION" IS GOING TO GET ME TO "TURN THEM OVER". MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION IS HOW BAD DO YOU WANT THEM??? T

cugir321 | 04-23-2008 10:53 PM
Re: Masada The massoud seems like a morph of the H&K, AR, AK...very interesting gun. I love the barrel change thing. There's something very neat about a gun that can change gender. I've always liked the H&K look. One thing about hitlers guns (the g3/cetme/hK came from hitler germany's design)...they were very chunky man looking.

Big_Rob | 04-24-2008 09:47 AM
Re: Masada Quote:
Originally Posted by skytrooper (Post 1075734) http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1022 If this one doesn't get through after the election a different one will. I'm afraid the Constitution's a dead dog.
It seems that the anti-2nd amendment legislators are trying their hardest to get any ban passed before the SCOTUS hands down their judgment regarding Heller vs D.C. Yup, a dead dog

Iptuous | 04-24-2008 10:00 AM
Re: Masada Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1075691) I OWN MY GUNs AND THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY YOUR "LEGISLATION" IS GOING TO GET ME TO "TURN THEM OVER". MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION IS HOW BAD DO YOU WANT THEM???
The problem is not so much the prospect of them confiscating our guns, as it is them making it illegal to make/sell/buy them. As far as the linked bill, it seem to not even be scheduled for debate. There are a TON of bills proposed that never make it to the next step. We'll see where this one goes...

Seleukus Nikator | 04-24-2008 10:32 AM
Re: Masada Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumwaldee (Post 1075635) If Masada twists your knickers...wait til you meet his big brother the Massoud. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=341411 The Masada design has been licensed to Bushmaster who have renamed it the ACR (adaptive combat rifle).
I guess I like it better because its 308 but I still dont like the name. Instead of it being a place where the Romans performed a feat of engineering to successfully storm a fortress where the Jewish zealots holed up inside all killed themselves rather than try to fight the Romans -- a bizarre choice that is today hailed as some kind of strange victory-- so instead of that we have a piece which is named a common Muslim name -- Masoud-- an Iranian version of the Arabic Mas'ud. The only figure I can remember named this was the northern alliance warlord allegedly whacked by alqueda shortly before the afgan invasion, ahmad khan massoud, the socalled lion of the panjshir. in other words, another good product with another perplexing choice of names.

cugir321 | 04-25-2008 07:39 AM
Re: Masada I've built a g3 from the ground up....I've sold a ton of them. Are they a sniper?....nope. I can get 1 inch at a hundred with handloads. That's the best I've seen. I have never heard of a roller problem in respect to rust (unless it was dunked an ignored) The Seals used them in vietnam. They do some work in nasty places. Just use gun kote or something similiar if your worried about it.....it's so thin it won't effect the rollers. The cz52 pistol has roller cams....there were a billion soldiers using them. There again, I've never had the problem come up with their roller cams and rust. I've seen a zillion mil surp's come out of the crate and cycle fine after lots of years of sitting) Cops us the roller cam variation....Almost every cop tv show has a H&K variant on it. Do I like it...not really...would rather have a Galil if I was in a potential assault position. Would I trust it (H&K)....yep. I love any gun that will continue to fire without an extractor...even if it's single shot. Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 1075936) The sad reality about the CETME/G3 design is that when poorly maintained and neglected in the field it can be and has been rendered junk beyond hope of getting to function properly ever again (if/when the rollers and/or the respective camming surfaces get corrosion on them) - one of the Germans' lame ideas. In contrast, under the exact same conditions the M14, FAL, and AK rarely have issues (as was the case with the Contras).

Seleukus Nikator | 04-25-2008 08:20 AM
Re: Masada Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumwaldee (Post 1076723) Yep, it looks right handy, but it's a good thing Bushmaster renamed it. I think MagPul wanted to go with the whole band of rebels standing against a much larger force, but you're right...they'd have been better with an incident that was fought to the death...not given up in despair(and committing mass suicide). They could have called it the Jonestown "Massacre" and scored an advertising coup. No longer could Glock fans talk about "drinking the kool-aid". :D There is one thing that worries me. In the video the guy says it's an "extruded aluminum upper" and the bolt rides on stainless steel rails. I used to work in a metal shop with extruded aluminum. Pretty tough stuff in some cases, but I am waiting to see how it will handle recoil after several thousand rounds. Especially the .308 version. I have no plans to be their beta tester, but if it starts to look good I will probably try to pick up one of each. And of course I need a couple SCARs. And then a... Ah the list never ends. *Or perhaps the Waco "Warrior" with the special Lon Horiuchi sniper set up.
lolo--- Lon Horiuchi setup! Very funny. I can laugh at this. Here, bet you never read this http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/...h/9830149p.pdf you know I just visited the Alamo for the first time, very moving. There's a plaque invoking Thermopylae there. Its a great monument for a noble band of citizen soldiers.

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