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mtnman | 09-30-2008 09:16 AM
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Twisted Avatar | 09-30-2008 09:34 AM
Re: The Safe Family Gun Guide When they tell you dont need it. Thats when you REALLY need it. :applause_:applause_:applause_:applause_:applause_ :applause_:applause_ T

Brent | 09-30-2008 09:39 AM
Re: The Safe Family Gun Guide Sounds about right to me. Somehow I doubt they will ever come for our guns out right. That would be pure suicide. Instead they will wittle away at our freedoms through laws restricting what type of gun and ammo. IMO this is a blatant act of war. Unforunately I dont think to many americans feel the same way. Good to know that at least SOME out there do. http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp...dsden-flag.png

Worldmariner | 10-01-2008 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1322524) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...n37879/2nd.jpg
Speaking of the militarization of our nations police forces... has anyone else noticed that also? Seems the police have almost a vicious hatred of the average "civilian". They even refer to citizens as "civilians" instead of "citizens" or ... my preferred... "employers".

Twisted Avatar | 10-01-2008 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Worldmariner (Post 1326772) Speaking of the militarization of our nations police forces... has anyone else noticed that also? Seems the police have almost a vicious hatred of the average "civilian". They even refer to citizens as "civilians" instead of "citizens" or ... my preferred... "employers".
Which is why I pound this keyboard telling people: WHEN THEY SHOW UP AT THE DOOR THEY ARE NOT COMING TO TALK.........BUT TO TAKE SOMETHING(your guns) OR SOMEONE(you) AWAY. When you see em........ its on. T

Russkie | 10-02-2008 07:59 AM
Re: The Safe Family Gun Guide In Russia firearms are banned from public ownership, and police armed with submachine guns can be seen everywhere. Does this sound anything like the liberal "solution" to the violence in America? In spite of all these things (and a mostly white demographic), Russia is far more violent and dangerous than America. Gun control is people control, pure and simple. It keeps the Russians dependent upon a corrupt state to "protect" them- you can guess the results. The best you can do here is study a good knife fighting system, be sober in public, and stay off the streets at night. Apartments have steel doors, which you don't open for anyone. Take the time to study Russia, it is your future.

Twisted Avatar | 10-02-2008 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Russkie (Post 1327407) Gun control is people control, pure and simple.
That is signature worthy. T

Aussie | 10-02-2008 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Russkie (Post 1327407) In Russia firearms are banned from public ownership, and police armed with submachine guns can be seen everywhere. Does this sound anything like the liberal "solution" to the violence in America? In spite of all these things (and a mostly white demographic), Russia is far more violent and dangerous than America. Gun control is people control, pure and simple. It keeps the Russians dependent upon a corrupt state to "protect" them- you can guess the results. The best you can do here is study a good knife fighting system, be sober in public, and stay off the streets at night. Apartments have steel doors, which you don't open for anyone. Take the time to study Russia, it is your future.
Wow! Great post Russkie and welcome to GIM. That is something to think about. YOU are most welcome here!

Professur | 10-02-2008 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Brent (Post 1322572) Sounds about right to me. Somehow I doubt they will ever come for our guns out right. That would be pure suicide. Instead they will wittle away at our freedoms through laws restricting what type of gun and ammo. IMO this is a blatant act of war. Unforunately I dont think to many americans feel the same way. Good to know that at least SOME out there do. http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp...dsden-flag.png
Let's not forget the PR side of the attack. Painting anyone wanting to defend themselves as antisocial psychotic thugs just waiting for that final straw to go postal. A danger to everyone. Hunters killed Bambi's mom.

TLM | 10-02-2008 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Russkie (Post 1327407) Take the time to study Russia, it is your future.
I sure hope not. Interesting to hear your perspective. We will have a melt down here in the US no doubt about it. There will always be guns, maybe illegally but there are millions of them in the hands of the populace. The move in every country is toward control... so how much control can they have over you if guns are allowed? Welcome Ruskie, look forward to hearing more from you.

citizenkane | 10-02-2008 04:18 PM
Re: The Safe Family Gun Guide you're delusional if you think personal ownership of an assault rifle will prevent the corp-gov from taking you out. helicopters jets tanks HE grenades unlimited manpower Courts Prisons better idea is to become as invisible as possible and melt away.... personal protection from individuals -- yes prevent government from doing anything to you --- no

Russkie | 10-02-2008 05:11 PM
Re: The Safe Family Gun Guide I don't think it is a matter of one lone hero standing against the hordes of government agents; that's a ridiculous scenario. Instead, think of a critical mass of people with arms and will-power. Then you have a potential guerella war that is very hard to win, ala Iraq, Chechnya, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc. That's one aspect. The other, as I stated above, is one of dependance- the government has a monopoly on protection, creating a condition of helplessness to which only they have the antidote. You can't take care of yourself, you have to abdicate that power to another, against your will. This is a condition of servitude.

mtnman | 10-02-2008 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Russkie (Post 1328662) I don't think it is a matter of one lone hero standing against the hordes of government agents; that's a ridiculous scenario. Instead, think of a critical mass of people with arms and will-power. Then you have a potential guerella war that is very hard to win, ala Iraq, Chechnya, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc. That's one aspect. The other, as I stated above, is one of dependance- the government has a monopoly on protection, creating a condition of helplessness to which only they have the antidote. You can't take care of yourself, you have to abdicate that power to another, against your will. This is a condition of servitude.
Very well said! Welcome aboard!

Twisted Avatar | 10-02-2008 05:48 PM
Re: The Safe Family Gun Guide Quote:
Originally Posted by Russkie (Post 1328662) I don't think it is a matter of one lone hero standing against the hordes of government agents; that's a ridiculous scenario. Instead, think of a critical mass of people with arms and will-power. Then you have a potential guerella war that is very hard to win, ala Iraq, Chechnya, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc.
+10000000000 LEADERLESS RESISTANCE The concept of Leaderless Resistance was proposed by Col. Ulius Louis Amoss, who was the founder of International Service of Information Incorporated, located in Baltimore, Maryland. Col. Amoss died more than fifteen years ago, but during his life was a tireless opponent of communism, as well as a skilled Intelligence Officer. Col. Amoss first wrote of Leaderless Resistance on April 17, 1962. His theories of organization were primarily directed against the threat of eventual Communist take-over in the United States. The present writer, with the benefit of having lived many years beyond Col. Amoss, has taken his theories and expounded upon them. Col. Amoss feared the Communists. This author fears the federal government. Communism now represents a threat to no one in the United States, while federal tyranny represents a threat to everyone . The writer has joyfully lived long enough to see the dying breaths of communism, but may, unhappily, remain long enough to see the last grasps of freedom in America. In the hope that, somehow, America can still produce the brave sons and daughters necessary to fight off ever increasing persecution and oppression, this essay is offered. Frankly, it is too close to call at this point. Those who love liberty, and believe in freedom enough to fight for it are rare today, but within the bosom of every once great nation, there remains secreted, the pearls of former greatness. They are there. I have looked into their sparking eyes; sharing a brief moment in time with them as I passed through this life. Relished their friendship, endured their pain, and they mine. We are a band of brothers, native to the soil gaining strength one from another as we have rushed head long into a battle that all the weaker, timid men, say we can not win. Perhaps...but then again, perhaps we can. It's not over till the last freedom fighter is buried or imprisoned, or the same happens to those who would destroy their freedom. Barring any cataclysmic events, the struggle will yet go on for years. The passage of time will make it clear to even the more slow among us that the government is the foremost threat to the life, and liberty of the folk. The government will no doubt make today's oppressiveness look like grade school work compared to what they have planned in the future. Meanwhile, there are those of us who continue to hope that somehow the few can do what the many have not. We are cognizant that before things get better they will certainly get worse as government shows a willingness to use ever more severe police state measures against dissidents. This changing situation makes it clear that those who oppose state repression must be prepared to alter, adapt, and modify their behavior, strategy, and tactics as circumstances warrant. Failure to consider new methods and implement them as necessary will make the government's efforts at suppression uncomplicated. It is the duty of every patriot to make the tyrant's life miserable. When one fails to do so he not only fails himself, but his people. With this in mind, current methods of resistance to tyranny employed by those who love our race, culture, and heritage must pass a litmus test of soundness. Methods must be objectively measured as to their effectiveness, as well as to whether they make the government's intention of repression more possible or more difficult. Those not working to aid our objectives must be discarded or the government benefits from our failure to do so. As honest men who have banded together into groups or associations of a political or religious nature are falsely labeled "domestic terrorists" or "cultists" and suppressed, it will become necessary to consider other methods of organization--or as the case may very well call for: non-organization. One should keep in mind that it is not in the government's interest to eliminate all groups. Some few must remain in order to perpetuate the smoke and mirrors vision for the masses that America is a "free democratic country" where dissent is allowed. Most organizations, however, that possess the potential for effective resistance will not be allowed to continue. Anyone who is so naive as to believe the most powerful government on earth will not crush any who pose a real threat to that power, should not be active, but rather, at home studying political history. The question as to who is to be left alone and who is not, will be answered by how groups and individuals deal with several factors such as: avoidance of conspiracy plots, rejection of feeble minded malcontents, insistence upon quality of the participants, avoidance of all contact with the front men for the federals--the news media--and, finally, camouflage (which can be defined as the ability to blend in the public's eye the more committed groups of resistance with mainstream "kosher" associations that are generally seen as harmless.) Primarily though, whether any organization is allowed to continue in the future will be a matter of how big a threat a group represents. Not a threat in terms of armed might or political ability, for there is none of either for the present, but rather, threat in terms of potentiality. It is potential the federals fear most. Whether that potential exists in an individual or group is incidental. The federals measure potential threat in terms of what might happen given a situation conducive to action on the part of a restive organization or individual. Accurate intelligence gathering allows them to assess the potential. Showing one's hand before the bets are made, is a sure way to loose. The movement for freedom is rapidly approaching the point where for many people, the option of belonging to a group will be nonexistent. For others, group membership will be a viable option for only the immediate future. Eventually, and perhaps much sooner than most believe possible, the price paid for membership will exceed any perceived benefit. But for now, some of the groups that do exist often serve a useful purpose either for the newcomer who can be indoctrinated into the ideology of the struggle, or for generating positive propaganda to reach potential freedom fighters. It is sure that, for the most part, this struggle is rapidly becoming a matter of individual action, each of its participants making a private decision in the quietness of his heart to resist: to resist by any means necessary. It is hard to know what others will do, for no man truly knows another man's heart. It is enough to know what one himself will do. A great teacher once said "know thyself." Few men really do, but let each of us, promise ourselves, not to go quietly to the fate our would-be masters have planned. The concept of Leaderless Resistance is nothing less than a fundamental departure in theories of organization. The orthodox scheme of organization is diagrammatically represented by the pyramid, with the mass at the bottom and the leader at the top. This fundamental of organization is to be seen not only in armies, which are of course, the best illustration of the pyramid structure, with the mass of soldiery, the privates, at the bottom responsible to corporals who are in turn responsible to sergeants, and so on up the entire chain of command to the generals at the top. But the same structure is seen in corporations, ladies' garden clubs and in our political system itself. This orthodox "pyramid" scheme of organization is to be seen basically in all existing political, social and religious structures in the world today from the Federal government to the Roman Catholic Church. The Constitution of the United States, in the wisdom of the Founders, tried to sublimate the essential dictatorial nature of pyramidal organization by dividing authority into three: executive, legislative and judicial. But the pyramid remains essentially untouched. This scheme of organization, the pyramid, is however, not only useless, but extremely dangerous for the participants when it is utilized in a resistance movement against state tyranny. Especially is this so in technologically advanced societies where electronic surveillance can often penetrate the structure revealing its chain of command. Experience has revealed over and over again that anti-state, political organizations utilizing this method of command and control are easy prey for government infiltration, entrapment, and destruction of the personnel involved. This has been seen repeatedly in the United States where pro-government infiltrators or agent provocateurs weasel their way into patriotic groups and destroy them from within. In the pyramid type of organization, an infiltrator can destroy anything which is beneath his level of infiltration and often those above him as well. If the traitor has infiltrated at the top, then the entire organization from the top down is compromised and may be traduced at will. An alternative to the pyramid type of organization is the cell system. In the past, many political groups (both right and left) have used the cell system to further their objectives. Two examples will suffice. During the American Revolution "committees of correspondence" were formed throughout the Thirteen colonies. Their purpose was to subvert the government and thereby aid the cause of independence. The "Sons of Liberty", who made a name for themselves dumping government taxed tea into the harbor at Boston, were the action arm of the committees of correspondence. Each committee was a secret cell that operated totally independently of the other cells. Information on the government was passed from committee to committee, from colony to colony, and then acted upon on a local basis. Yet even in these bygone days of poor communication, of weeks to months for a letter to be delivered, the committees without any central direction whatsoever, were remarkable similar in tactics employed to resist government tyranny. It was, as the first American patriots knew, totally unnecessary for anyone to give an order for anything. Information was made available to each committee, and each committee acted as it saw fit. A recent example of the cell system taken from the left wing of politics are the Communists. The Communist, in order to get around the obvious problems involved in pyramidal organization, developed to an art the cell system. They had numerous independent cells which operated completely isolated from one another and particularly with no knowledge of each other, but were orchestrated together by a central headquarters. For instance, during World War II, in Washington, it is known that there were at least six secret Communist cells operating at high levels in the United States government (plus all the open Communists who were protected and promoted by President Roosevelt), however, only one of the cells was rooted out and destroyed. How many more actually were operating no one can say for sure. The Communist cells which operated in the U.S until late 1991 under Soviet control could have at their command a leader, who held a social position which appeared to be very lowly. He could be, for example, a busboy in a restaurant, but in reality a colonel or a general in the Soviet Secret Service, the KGB. Under him could be a number of cells and a person active in one cell would almost never have knowledge of individuals who are active in another cell. The value of this is that while any one cell can be infiltrated, exposed or destroyed, such action will have no effect on the other cells; in fact, the members of the other cells will be supporting that cell which is under attack and ordinarily would lend very strong support to it in many ways. This is at least part of the reason, no doubt, that whenever in the past Communists were attacked in this country, support for them sprang up in many unexpected places. The efficient and effective operation of a cell system after the Communist model, is of course, dependent upon central direction, which means impressive organization, funding from the top, and outside support, all of which the Communists had. Obviously, American patriots have none of these things at the top or anywhere else, and so an effective cell organization based upon the Soviet system of operation is impossible. Two things become clear from the above discussion. First, that the pyramid type of organization can be penetrated quite easily and it thus is not a sound method of organization in situations where the government has the resources and desire to penetrate the structure; which is the situation in this country. Secondly, that the normal qualifications for the cell structure based upon the Red model does not exist in the U.S. for patriots. This understood, the question arises "What method is left for those resisting state tyranny?" The answer comes from Col. Amoss who proposed the "Phantom Cell" mode of organization. Which he described as Leaderless Resistance. A system of organization that is based upon the cell organization, but does not have any central control or direction, that is in fact almost identical to the methods used by the Committees of Correspondence during the American Revolution. Utilizing the Leaderless Resistance concept, all individuals and groups operate independently of each other, and never report to a central headquarters or single leader for direction or instruction, as would those who belong to a typical pyramid organization. At first glance, such a type of organization seems unrealistic, primarily because there appears to be no organization. The natural question thus arises as to how are the "Phantom cells" and individuals to cooperate with each other when there is no intercommunication or central direction? The answer to this question is that participants in a program of Leaderless Resistance through phantom cell or individual action must know exactly what they are doing, and how to do it. It becomes the responsibility of the individual to acquire the necessary skills and information as to what is to be done. This is by no means as impractical as it appears, because it is certainly true that in any movement, all persons involved have the same general outlook, are acquainted with the same philosophy, and generally react to given situations in similar ways. The pervious history of the committees of correspondence during the American Revolution show this to be true. Since the entire purpose of Leaderless Resistance is to defeat state tyranny (at least insofar as this essay is concerned), all members of phantom cells or individuals will tend to react to objective events in the same way through usual tactics of resistance. Organs of information distribution such as newspapers, leaflets, computers, etc., which are widely available to all, keep each person informed of events, allowing for a planned response that will take many variations. No one need issue an order to anyone. Those idealist truly committed to the cause of freedom will act when they feel the time is ripe, or will take their cue from others who precede them. While it is true that much could be said against this type of structure as a method of resistance, it must be kept in mind that Leaderless Resistance is a child of necessity. The alternatives to it have been show to be unworkable or impractical. Leaderless Resistance has worked before in the American Revolution, and if the truly committed put it to use for themselves, it will work now. It goes almost without saying that Leaderless Resistance leads to very small or even one man cells of resistance. Those who join organizations to play "let's pretend" or who are "groupies" will quickly be weeded out. While for those who are serious about their opposition to federal despotism, this is exactly what is desired. From the point of view of tyrants and would be potentates in the federal bureaucracy and police agencies, nothing is more desirable than that those who oppose them be UNIFIED in their command structure, and that every person who opposes them belong to a pyramid type group. Such groups and organizations are an easy kill. Especially in light of the fact that the Justice (sic) Department promised in 1987 that there would never be another group that opposed them that they did not have at least one informer in. These federal "friends of government" are intelligence agents. They gather information that can be used at the whim of a federal D.A. to prosecute. The line of battle has been drawn. Patriots are required therefore, to make a conscious decision to either aid the government in its illegal spying, by continuing with old methods of organization and resistance, or to make the enemie's job more difficult by implementing effective countermeasures. Now there will, no doubt, be mentally handicapped people out there who, while standing at a podium with an American flag draped in the background, and a lone eagle soaring in the sky above, will state emphatically in their best sounding red, white, and blue voice, "So what if the government is spying? We are not violating any laws." Such crippled thinking by any serious person is the best example that there is a need for special education classes. The person making such a statement is totally out of contact with political reality in this country, and unfit for leadership of any thing more than a dog sleigh in the Alaskan wilderness. The old "Born on the fourth of July" mentality that has influenced so much of the American patriot's thinking in the past will not save him from the government in the future. "Reeducation" for non-thinkers of this type will take place in the federal prison system where there are no flags or eagles, but abundance of men who were "not violating any law." Most groups who "unify" their disparate associates into a single structure have short political lives. Therefore, those movement leaders constantly calling for unity of organization rather than the desirable unity of purpose, usually fall into one of three categories. They may not be sound political tacticians, but rather, just committed men who feel unity would help their cause, while not realizing that the government would greatly benefit from such efforts. The Federal objective, to imprison or destroy all who oppose them, is made easier in pyramid organizations. Or perhaps, they do not fully understand the struggle they are involved in and that the government they oppose has declared a state of war against those fighting for faith, folk, freedom and constitutional liberty. Those in power will use any means to rid themselves of opposition. The third class calling for unity and let us hope this is the minority of the three, are men more desirous of the supposed power that a large organization would bestow, than of actually achieving their stated purpose. Conversely, the last thing Federal snoops would have, if they had any choice in the matter, is a thousand different small phantom cells opposing them. It is easy to see why. Such a situation is an intelligence nightmare for a government intent upon knowing everything they possibly can about those who oppose them. The Federals, able to amass overwhelming strength of numbers, manpower, resources, intelligence gathering, and capability at any given time, need only a focal point to direct their anger. A single penetration of a pyramid type of organization can lead to the destruction of the whole. Whereas, Leaderless Resistance presents no single opportunity for the Federals to destroy a significant portion of the Resistance. With the announcement by the Department of Justice (sic) that 300 FBI agents formerly assigned to watching Soviet spies in the US (domestic counter intelligence) are now to be used to "combat crime", the federal government is preparing the way for a major assault upon those persons opposed to their policies. Many anti-government groups dedicated to the preservation of the America of our forefathers can expect shortly to feel the brunt of a new federal assault upon liberty. It is clear, therefore, that it is time to rethink traditional strategy and tactics when it comes to opposing a modern police state. America is quickly moving into a long dark night of police state tyranny, where the rights now accepted by most as being inalienable will disappear. Let the coming night be filled with a thousand points of resistance. Like the fog which forms when conditions are right and disappears when they are not, so must the resistance to tyranny be.

The Argent Dragon | 10-02-2008 06:04 PM
Re: The Safe Family Gun Guide And for really tough times ahead........ http://www.tridentmilitary.com/Mgbg.jpg :s15:

flash91 | 10-02-2008 06:50 PM
Re: The Safe Family Gun Guide When Saddam ran Iraq, there was a run on guns in baghdad. At that same time, you couldn't even buy a gun in Manhattan.

Stand Watie | 10-02-2008 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Brent (Post 1322572) Somehow I doubt they will ever come for our guns out right.
But they can shut off (or hyper-tax) the ammo supply.

Fullpower | 10-02-2008 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Stand Watie (Post 1328946) But they can shut off (or hyper-tax) the ammo supply.
Two factors counter your argument; 1) the number of Armed American citizens is greater than the combined military strength of the entire planet. 2) there is already in existence many times more small arms ammunition than the combined total of people and animals which might possibly be construed as targets.

Stand Watie | 10-02-2008 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Fullpower (Post 1329059) Two factors counter your argument; 1) the number of Armed American citizens is greater than the combined military strength of the entire planet. 2) there is already in existence many times more small arms ammunition than the combined total of people and animals which might possibly be construed as targets.
Armed, yes. Well-ammoed, doubtful. GIMers may be holding 10,000+ rounds each but the average Joe? He might have a box of 20 tucked away in a drawer. Now when TSHTF, he may make a run for his local gun shop to stock up. But in a national emergency, the government will likely seize those shops rather quickly citing the fact that local police & guard units need the ammo OR they're safeguarding the guns/ammo from looters. When that happens, are you really going to share your 10,000+ rounds with Joe Six Pack or anyone else?

FireMattMillen | 10-02-2008 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Stand Watie (Post 1329199) Armed, yes. Well-ammoed, doubtful. GIMers may be holding 10,000+ rounds each but the average Joe? He might have a box of 20 tucked away in a drawer. Now when TSHTF, he may make a run for his local gun shop to stock up. But in a national emergency, the government will likely seize those shops rather quickly citing the fact that local police & guard units need the ammo OR they're safeguarding the guns/ammo from looters. When that happens, are you really going to share your 10,000+ rounds with Joe Six Pack or anyone else?
Unfortunately, this is true. I would say that in urban and suburban areas, people have less ammo (and most guns are handguns). However, in the rural areas, I think that people are much more likely to have a stash of ammo (and better yet, the guns are more likely to be shotguns or rifles).

sliver | 10-02-2008 10:16 PM
Re: The Safe Family Gun Guide http://gifu.cool.ne.jp/gunnuts/img/g...rol_works2.JPG If the government doesn't trust me with my guns, why should I trust them with theirs?

mtnman | 10-02-2008 11:46 PM
Re: The Safe Family Gun Guide Quote:
Originally Posted by Stand Watie (Post 1329199) Armed, yes. Well-ammoed, doubtful. GIMers may be holding 10,000+ rounds each but the average Joe? He might have a box of 20 tucked away in a drawer. Now when TSHTF, he may make a run for his local gun shop to stock up. But in a national emergency, the government will likely seize those shops rather quickly citing the fact that local police & guard units need the ammo OR they're safeguarding the guns/ammo from looters. When that happens, are you really going to share your 10,000+ rounds with Joe Six Pack or anyone else?
Each Blue Helmet carries roughly 200 rounds .223 and 50 rounds 9mm. Walking ammo dumps!

Russkie | 10-03-2008 03:23 AM
Re: The Safe Family Gun Guide I agree that ammo is a vulnerable point, and stockpiling is a good idea. Coordinating your weaponry so that they use the same types of rounds are good too. Gunsmithing is also important- if you are a good gunsmith/machinist and have invested in tools, you could be in great demand in the future. I'm a shotgun man myself. After being in the military and settling in to carefully fire at a dog-target 300yards down range, I think much more realistic combat training can be had from simple skeet shooting. Two guys dashing across the front yard is almost just like two clay pots. Shotguns also allow us greater control over ammo supplies, with re-loading. Cheap. The government problem with guns is basically their same problem with precious metals- both offer an alternative to their control. If the economy ever breaks down, we would have a system waiting in the wings, but- if we simply decide we like this system better, we wouldn't need an eonomic melt-down, we could start using it whenever we wish, and this pulls the rug from under their ability to tax us and control the value of wealth. They would simply disappear, because they're out of the loop. This very same principle applies to guns. If we all had guns, it would be relatively simple to organize a local authority in times of emergency. We could patrol our own territory against mauaraders, apprehend criminals, set up courts of justice, settle disputes, and possibly offer stiff resistance to a larger force (the territorial imperative always gives a home-field advantage). Americans are a bunch of cowboys and lone rangers, but it is wise to make friends with the people around you- do them a few favors, offer help if they're doing a project, spend some time asking them about their family, give them some garden produce, whatever. Such local connections will magnify the power of firearms sufficiently to make their use realistic.

Heimdhal | 10-03-2008 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1329600) Each Blue Helmet carries roughly 200 rounds .223 and 50 rounds 9mm. Walking ammo dumps!
thats very true. In WWII, american dumped very cheap, stamped one shot pistols into france for the resistance fighters. The idea was, lure a guard over, pop him with your one shot, and take his gun. JSP might have 20 rounds of buck or 9mm, but all you need is the right opportunity and you can become very heavily armed and amoed up in short order ;) Viva La Resistance! :wink:

Twisted Avatar | 10-03-2008 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Russkie (Post 1329845) I agree that ammo is a vulnerable point, and stockpiling is a good idea. Coordinating your weaponry so that they use the same types of rounds are good too.
That is why I love Glocks. The 17 ,19, and 26 all can hold 17 and 33 round magazines and this can fire just about anything. They are not the prettiest but dam sure the tuffest. as long as the they are cleaned you will never have a misfire. T

Brent | 10-03-2008 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Stand Watie (Post 1328946) But they can shut off (or hyper-tax) the ammo supply.
Yeah I said that as well. "Instead they will whittle away at our freedoms through laws restricting what type of gun and ammo."

Big_Rob | 10-03-2008 04:06 PM
Re: The Safe Family Gun Guide But But But But,,, The Obamessiah has given us his direct from heaven assurance that he wont be taking hunters guns away! Come on now guys, we all know that the 2nd amendment was written by dead white guys who only wanted our hunting and sporting rights protected. hold on :sarcasm:

RealJack | 10-03-2008 04:26 PM
Re: The Safe Family Gun Guide Quote:
Originally Posted by Russkie (Post 1329845) I agree that ammo is a vulnerable point, and stockpiling is a good idea. Coordinating your weaponry so that they use the same types of rounds are good too. Gunsmithing is also important- if you are a good gunsmith/machinist and have invested in tools, you could be in great demand in the future. I'm a shotgun man myself. After being in the military and settling in to carefully fire at a dog-target 300yards down range, I think much more realistic combat training can be had from simple skeet shooting. Two guys dashing across the front yard is almost just like two clay pots. Shotguns also allow us greater control over ammo supplies, with re-loading. Cheap. The government problem with guns is basically their same problem with precious metals- both offer an alternative to their control. If the economy ever breaks down, we would have a system waiting in the wings, but- if we simply decide we like this system better, we wouldn't need an eonomic melt-down, we could start using it whenever we wish, and this pulls the rug from under their ability to tax us and control the value of wealth. They would simply disappear, because they're out of the loop. This very same principle applies to guns. If we all had guns, it would be relatively simple to organize a local authority in times of emergency. We could patrol our own territory against mauaraders, apprehend criminals, set up courts of justice, settle disputes, and possibly offer stiff resistance to a larger force (the territorial imperative always gives a home-field advantage). Americans are a bunch of cowboys and lone rangers, but it is wise to make friends with the people around you- do them a few favors, offer help if they're doing a project, spend some time asking them about their family, give them some garden produce, whatever. Such local connections will magnify the power of firearms sufficiently to make their use realistic.
Beautiful! I'm very impressed. I usually just read these gun threads, mostly unimpressed with what I consider a lot of gun wagging, but what you have written so far is right on! Insightful, clear, statesmanlike. Have I gushed enough?

EchelonPL | 02-28-2009 10:58 PM
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Twisted Avatar | 03-03-2009 02:41 PM
Re: The Safe Family Gun Guide 2 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 1329922) thats very true. In WWII, american dumped very cheap, stamped one shot pistols into france for the resistance fighters. The idea was, lure a guard over, pop him with your one shot, and take his gun. JSP might have 20 rounds of buck or 9mm, but all you need is the right opportunity and you can become very heavily armed and amoed up in short order ;) Viva La Resistance! :wink:
Those guns were called "The Liberator"

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