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stacks | 05-22-2009 05:21 PM
LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is “Illegal” Meltdown of 40,000lbs of firearms aimed at ‘keeping illegal guns off the streets’ yet most of weapons were legal and handed in by law-abiding citizens who kept guns at home http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/m...220509top2.jpg Paul Joseph Watson PrisonPlanet.com Friday, May 22, 2009 A CBS News clip out of California that was prominently featured on the front page of Yahoo.com today showed the LAPD melting down 40,000lbs worth of “illegal weapons” to ‘”prevent them ending up on the streets in the hands of criminals” and yet most of the guns shown were perfectly legal and were handed in by law-abiding citizens who had kept them in their own homes. The sheer gall of the propaganda on show here is staggering, because for anyone who doesn’t have a decent knowledge of firearms, the clip leaves the impression that guns are illegal and owned by criminals - despite the fact that the vast majority of the guns shown being melted down, many of them rifles and pistols, are perfectly legal. “We’re taking illegal weapons off the streets and putting them to better use,” states the LAPD officer at the end of the clip, failing to mention the fact that most of the guns being destroyed are perfectly legal and were handed in by law-abiding citizens who had kept them at home. The anchor states, “Weapons that could have ended up in the hands of criminals are melted down,” implying that the LAPD is doing everyone a favor by destroying legal firearms owned by law-abiding citizens. Only fully automatic firearms can be deemed “illegal,” yet most of the guns shown in the clip, which include a M1 carbine, used in deer hunting, a Walther PPK pistol, as well as a Winchester Ranger Model 120 shotgun, are completely legal to own. One officer shows a “street sweeper” ‘Tommy gun’ noting that it is “very dangerous” implying that it is illegal when in fact, though the gun is hard to procure in the U.S., it is not illegal. The news anchor makes out that the guns were delivered “off the streets” and yet an LAPD officer later admits, “It’s not just criminals but people who have them in their homes that really didn’t want them - that’s where you get the kids accidentally shooting themselves.” Here’s a newsflash - hardened criminals who plan to commit more criminal acts in future are not going to blithely hand their guns in to the police. The vast majority of people who handed in their legally owned guns, or “illegal weapons” as the LAPD would make out, for this buyback program are now totally defenseless from a home invasion by a real criminal. This news clip featured on the front page of Yahoo.com, the most visited website in the world, for hours today, meaning that millions of viewers now think that legal firearms are in fact “illegal weapons” that should be handed in to police and melted down. Watch the clip below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6eaAoZXPJI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6eaAoZXPJI

Mill Man | 05-22-2009 05:49 PM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� I was watching that dea show the other night thats like COPS. One of the enlightened enforcers found one of those keltek 9mm carbines that takes the glock mags. He kept calling it a mac 10 machine gun and told the guy they were arresting he was going to do federal time for the "illegal" "machine gun".

stacks | 05-22-2009 05:56 PM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� Quote:
Originally Posted by Mill Man (Post 1734221) I was watching that dea show the other night thats like COPS. One of the enlightened enforcers found one of those keltek 9mm carbines that takes the glock mags. He kept calling it a mac 10 machine gun and told the guy they were arresting he was going to do federal time for the "illegal" "machine gun".
That's OUT OF CONTROL. http://www.johnnorrisbrown.com/class...rol1_25625.gif

Ag_man | 05-22-2009 06:07 PM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� I'm going to share a rather unpleasant event from my past, that I'm embarrassed about doing. Six years ago, I was approached by the local branch of the ATF, asking if we would do a gun melt. I run an iron foundry and the owner thought it might not be a bad idea, as a "community service" type of thing. The ATF pigs brought in their booty, about a dozen handguns, a couple shottys, 2 AKs and a grenade launcher. I had my guys saw off the stocks, degreased them and put them in the induction furnace. 5 minutes later, they dissolved into the melt. 2 years ago, they asked me again and I told them, "Guys, we're pretty busy, I really can't spare the downtime in my melting dept..."

MilitantOne | 05-22-2009 06:12 PM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� Government Propaganda !!! Same goes for those shows..... That crap makes me sick :rant:

leadfoot | 05-22-2009 06:19 PM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� Quote:
Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1734242) I'm going to share a rather unpleasant event from my past, that I'm embarrassed about doing. Six years ago, I was approached by the local branch of the ATF, asking if we would do a gun melt. I run an iron foundry and the owner thought it might not be a bad idea, as a "community service" type of thing. The ATF pigs brought in their booty, about a dozen handguns, a couple shottys, 2 AKs and a grenade launcher. I had my guys saw off the stocks, degreased them and put them in the induction furnace. 5 minutes later, they dissolved into the melt. 2 years ago, they asked me again and I told them, "Guys, we're pretty busy, I really can't spare the downtime in my melting dept..."
Next time just tell them to drop the stuff off and you'll promise get around to it "real soon.":tongue_ma:

BellevueBully | 05-22-2009 06:30 PM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� Quote:
Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1734242) I'm going to share a rather unpleasant event from my past, that I'm embarrassed about doing. Six years ago, I was approached by the local branch of the ATF, asking if we would do a gun melt. I run an iron foundry and the owner thought it might not be a bad idea, as a "community service" type of thing. The ATF pigs brought in their booty, about a dozen handguns, a couple shottys, 2 AKs and a grenade launcher. I had my guys saw off the stocks, degreased them and put them in the induction furnace. 5 minutes later, they dissolved into the melt. 2 years ago, they asked me again and I told them, "Guys, we're pretty busy, I really can't spare the downtime in my melting dept..."
I would only add one thing. Next time of just tell them that you think all the propaganda against guns, the second ammendment and law abiding citizens is wrong, and that as a person working for law enforcement, they should be ashamed of participating in an activity that is destroying the fabric of the nation that their children and grand-children will have to live in. Some people just do not think about what their actions will lead to. Cops and government workers come first to mind.

CQC McDuck | 05-22-2009 06:31 PM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� What a disturbing video... How long have police swat teams been organized in "platoons"? I've never heard them called that before.

poor boy | 05-22-2009 06:50 PM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� People have to feed their families in an economic down turn . This was after all totally volentary (as painful as it is to watch :bawling:) people are free to do with their property what they wish too .

Thommy | 05-22-2009 07:28 PM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� Lets forget the lies of the propaganda report about them being 'illegal' firearms. Let's just take a second and thing about what the LAPD just did.... What a F-ing waste of what looked like some decent firearms! They literally just threw away tens of THOUSANDS of dollars worth of firepower. Instead of melting down all those perfectly good guns, why not sell them back to law abiding citizens at a discount and take the FRN proceeds and give them to charities? A firearm is something of great value. They took something of great value, destroyed it, turned it into something of a far lesser value (scrap steel) and I am supposed to applaud them for that?!?!:rant: They basically threw away what looked like to me hundreds of thousands of dollars! F 'da LAPD! Morons. :bear_rolleyes:

silverblood | 05-22-2009 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Thommy (Post 1734333) Lets forget the lies of the propaganda report about them being 'illegal' firearms. Let's just take a second and thing about what the LAPD just did.... What a F-ing waste of what looked like some decent firearms! They literally just threw away tens of THOUSANDS of dollars worth of firepower. Instead of melting down all those perfectly good guns, why not sell them back to law abiding citizens at a discount and take the FRN proceeds and give them to charities? A firearm is something of great value. They took something of great value, destroyed it, turned it into something of a far lesser value (scrap steel) and I am supposed to applaud them for that?!?!:rant: They basically threw away what looked like to me hundreds of thousands of dollars! F 'da LAPD! Morons. :bear_rolleyes:
Nah, you're missing the silver lining... You see, this is really all part of Obama's economic stimulus package. Reselling existing guns would not stimulate the economy very much, but if you destroy them, then that's another story. It'll cause a shortage! The recent high demand for arms and ammo across the country will lead the arms manufacturers to increase production and hire more people. See? Economic stimulus. :5_1_120:

Thommy | 05-22-2009 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by silverblood (Post 1734340) Nah, you're missing the silver lining... You see, this is really all part of Obama's economic stimulus package. Reselling existing guns would not stimulate the economy very much, but if you destroy them, then that's another story. It'll cause a shortage! The recent high demand for arms and ammo across the country will lead the arms manufacturers to increase production and hire more people. See? Economic stimulus. :5_1_120:
While I agree and wouldn't put it past him - I highly doubt this event went to the federal level; this is just a bunch of stupid Californians doing what they do best, with coverage/spin by the brain dead local corporate media. No offense to Cali people here - but I am sure you agree just how dumb some of the persons in the south of your state can be.:wink:

Bx3 | 05-22-2009 08:17 PM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� Quote:
Originally Posted by Thommy (Post 1734333) Lets forget the lies of the propaganda report about them being 'illegal' firearms. Let's just take a second and thing about what the LAPD just did.... What a F-ing waste of what looked like some decent firearms! They literally just threw away tens of THOUSANDS of dollars worth of firepower. Instead of melting down all those perfectly good guns, why not sell them back to law abiding citizens at a discount and take the FRN proceeds and give them to charities? A firearm is something of great value. They took something of great value, destroyed it, turned it into something of a far lesser value (scrap steel) and I am supposed to applaud them for that?!?!:rant: They basically threw away what looked like to me hundreds of thousands of dollars! F 'da LAPD! Morons. :bear_rolleyes:
Sounds like the TARP policy and every other govt economic policy to me. This is just more of the same.:10_1_19:

Ag_man | 05-22-2009 08:27 PM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� After watching the vid, a couple things. First of all, the operation shown is not a "smelter". A smelter takes metallic mineral ore concentrates and through various processes, produces metal of various grades of purity. What you see is a friggin' steel mill, technically a "mini-mill" producing rebar. What is surprising, is that there is a steel mill in SoCal! I would have thought that CA EPA has run all of them out of business.

Satyr | 05-22-2009 08:50 PM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� Wow! 40,000 lbs of guns? That's crazy!!! :sarc: I like how they make it a point to tell us how many lbs. worth of guns they melted rather than an actual number. Most guns weigh more than 1 lb. Hell, a Wather P22 weights 15.2 oz. unloaded, and it's mostly made of plastic! A Remington Model 870, on the other hand, weighs 7 to 8 lbs. So 40,000 lbs. of guns might only equate to around 5,000 guns (give or take). Which number sounds more "impressive"? The media knows how to bend the minds of the masses.

I am me, I am free | 05-22-2009 08:50 PM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� Quote:
Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1734381) What is surprising, is that there is a steel mill in SoCal! I would have thought that CA EPA has run all of them out of business.
Don't you know that anyone who is a member in good standing of the corporate state mafia gets a free pass? "What??? We can't get a demo permit for our two white elephants in Manhattan with the aluminum exterior skin at the end of its service life? Then onto 'Plan B', but before we do that let's make sure our pal Larry comes out smelling like a rose. And hurry! before we have to take immediate and very costly action when there's a catastrophic failure of the exterior aluminum cladding that kills people."

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 05-23-2009 03:28 AM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� 1 Attachment(s) Police Chief William Bratton reviewing the cadets at the LAPD Academy.

morganchaser | 05-23-2009 04:23 AM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� Quote:
Originally Posted by Thommy (Post 1734333) Lets forget the lies of the propaganda report about them being 'illegal' firearms. Let's just take a second and thing about what the LAPD just did.... What a F-ing waste of what looked like some decent firearms! They literally just threw away tens of THOUSANDS of dollars worth of firepower. Instead of melting down all those perfectly good guns, why not sell them back to law abiding citizens at a discount and take the FRN proceeds and give them to charities? A firearm is something of great value. They took something of great value, destroyed it, turned it into something of a far lesser value (scrap steel) and I am supposed to applaud them for that?!?!:rant: They basically threw away what looked like to me hundreds of thousands of dollars! F 'da LAPD! Morons. :bear_rolleyes:
Damn straight. If a man is measured by the fruits of the labor, what we are essentially seeing is the legacy of skilled honest gunsmiths MURDERED. It's disgusting to know that everyone one of those firearms had dozens of talented machinists sweat over them, just to have some ignorant ****ing pigs throw them in a goddamn furnace! :banghead::rant::censored: It's Vandalism! It's like watching some hot topic atheist blow up the Sistine chapel. ARRRRGHH!!! I take pride and pleasure in every part I make on a mill or lathe, and they're the closest things I have to children. These BASTARDS just threw kids in a crucible on their graduation day!:s10::favorites21:

morganchaser | 05-23-2009 04:26 AM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� Quote:
Originally Posted by silverblood (Post 1734340) Nah, you're missing the silver lining... You see, this is really all part of Obama's economic stimulus package. Reselling existing guns would not stimulate the economy very much, but if you destroy them, then that's another story. It'll cause a shortage! The recent high demand for arms and ammo across the country will lead the arms manufacturers to increase production and hire more people. See? Economic stimulus. :5_1_120:
Broken window fallacy. Our country is ~5000 quality firearms($10K+) poorer because of these ****ing baboons.

Twisted Avatar | 05-23-2009 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by poor boy (Post 1734294) People have to feed their families in an economic down turn . This was after all totally volentary (as painful as it is to watch :bawling:) people are free to do with their property what they wish too .
I fully agree. How sad.

Twisted Avatar | 05-23-2009 06:55 AM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� Quote:
Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1734381) After watching the vid, a couple things. First of all, the operation shown is not a "smelter". A smelter takes metallic mineral ore concentrates and through various processes, produces metal of various grades of purity. What you see is a friggin' steel mill, technically a "mini-mill" producing rebar. What is surprising, is that there is a steel mill in SoCal! I would have thought that CA EPA has run all of them out of business.
They can get waviers if they do the bidding of The State. See how that works??? T

JJ_ | 05-23-2009 12:49 PM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� What a waste... 40000 lbs? That's what? - 1 semi flatbed load of rebar?!?? this is profitable??? useful?:banghead: Hundreds of thousands of dollars in firearms reduced to a couple k's worth of construction material.

Worldmariner | 05-28-2009 02:02 AM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� Quote:
Originally Posted by Mill Man (Post 1734221) I was watching that dea show the other night thats like COPS. One of the enlightened enforcers found one of those keltek 9mm carbines that takes the glock mags. He kept calling it a mac 10 machine gun and told the guy they were arresting he was going to do federal time for the "illegal" "machine gun".
Well, the only way to combat this Socialist agenda and legislation is through politics. We need more people to write to their Member of Congress (that means your elected Representative to the House of Representatives. Their job is to listen to the citizenry) and their Senator. By "more people" I mean **YOU**, the reader. "You" need to register to vote, "You" need to write to your elected officials, "You" need to join pro-second amendment organizations, like the GOA and the NRA. "You" need to go to local government meetings and voice your opinions. Here are the links: www.Congress.org Member of Congress to the House of Representatives: https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml Your Senator: http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/senators/f_two_sections_with_teasers/states.htm Your governor: http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Governors.shtml National Rifle Association: www.nra.org Gun Owners of America: www.gunowners.org Many many forum posters seem to be the paranoid wall flower "I don't want my name on a list! I am not even registered to vote!" types... They wring their hands about what is happening, but they want SOMEONE ELSE to do the dirty work and take a chance, speak up, write the letters, cast the votes, and yet reap the rewards. If you are one of these types, (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!) you need to remember this: If you have ever filled out a Form 4473, trust me, you are in a database. If you are a member of GOA or the NRA, trust me, you are in a database. If you have ever registered to vote, trust me, you are in a database. If you have a driver's license, trust me, you are in a database. If you use your SSN to earn income, trust me, you are in a database. If you ever used your credit card to buy gun parts or ammo, you are in a database. If you were ever in the military... well you get the idea... keyed in on your name and DOB. Cross referenced with your SSN. With the (undeclared and in my opinion unconstitutional) Bush "war" on terror, the Department of Homeland Security and Congress have teamed up and are finishing up the process of making all the local, state, and Federal databases cross-searchable and accessible by ANY agency, NO WARRENT, NO JUDGE, required. If you are too cowardly to stand up and be counted, to make your voice heard, what will you do with your gun when tyranny arrives? I mean, you already know that you are a coward, so what will you do? Take your super secret gun and go shoot someone in a blue helmet or a black Hummer? I think not. We know what you will do. YOU know, deep down, what you will do. You will whisper about the Good Ol Days and hope that "someone else" does something, while you let your super secret gun rust in it's super secret hiding place, and be angry and post angry messages on forums about how somebody "should have done something". (Pardon me a moment whilst I vomit) That "someone" is **YOU**. GET OFF YOUR ASS and start DOING something about it, and posting messages on forums is NOT action! It is talk. Being a member on a website like www.righttokeepandbeararms.com is nice, and well meaning, and a fantastic resource for ideas, BUT it is not TRUE ACTION; it is feel good action. Joining a website WILL NOT cause change. Writing letters and being politically active is what causes change. Best idea: Buy as many firearms as you want. Give them as gifts! Register as many SBR's and suppressors as you can, join EVERY pro gun lobby group you can, and learn how to start grass roots legislation. Urge your friends to get CCW permits and to buy guns, including assault rifles. Take them shooting and let them burn through a box of your ammo. Turn them on to firearms. Get them re-acquainted with personal responsibility. Get them going in the right direction. Turn America BACK INTO a gun culture and freedom culture and personal responsibility culture. THAT is how to beat DHS, Napolitano, Clinton, an increasing militarized police force (anyone else notice that trend??), other anti-firearms groups, and generally "The Fed". The Feds just follow the rules. If the rules change, so do they. They are like the Borg. They are guys, most... smart, but not brilliant. They are working away at a Federal retirement, doing their job. If the rules change tomorrow and allow everyone to own an unregistered suppressor, believe me, the hour the legislation passes, they will stop activity related to suppressors. Most of those ATF guys (that I know anyway) are not rabidly anti-gun. Most all of them own firearms themselves. They are just following the rules. They do not get cash bonuses for finding illegal guns, such as the IRS agents receive for "recovering" "lost" revenue from recalcitrant tax payers. (Everyone here knows that, right? The IRS guys get a slice of the recovered money as an "on the spot cash award". THAT is why the IRS guys are so rabid. They are motivated by greed) If you are offended by reading this post, then YOU are PROBABLY the guy this post is aimed at!

AGRO | 09-20-2009 12:12 AM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� Quote:
Originally Posted by stacks (Post 1734231) That's OUT OF CONTROL. http://www.johnnorrisbrown.com/class...rol1_25625.gif
I like how you posted "out of control" then followed up with an 80's style "wacky" or shall we call it "zany" picture of the text!! Nicely done. BTW, what a crock that report is.

Goldfinger007 | 09-20-2009 09:08 AM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� Does anyone know the annual ratio of guns created in the USA vs guns destroyed in the USA? Don't make this mean something it doesn't; I'm just wondering if the total number is going up or down.

Tallships | 09-20-2009 10:33 AM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� Imagine if groups of private citizens hosted these buybacks a week before the cops buyback, or the same day but with a slightly bigger payout, and then just kept them for themselves... This would be an awesome way to get stuff cheap.

Golden Eagle | 09-20-2009 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Tallships (Post 1930572) Imagine if groups of private citizens hosted these buybacks a week before the cops buyback, or the same day but with a slightly bigger payout, and then just kept them for themselves... This would be an awesome way to get stuff cheap.
Free markets! Tallships I'm on board. Citizens "Cash for Guns" Program, anyone interested? This report only encourages me to buy firearms. :yes: To reverse course we must use the same tactics used against us.

gypsybiker45 | 09-20-2009 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Golden Eagle (Post 1930594) Free markets! Tallships I'm on board. Citizens "Cash for Guns" Program, anyone interested? This report only encourages me to buy firearms. :yes: To reverse course we must use the same tactics used against us.
I wonder why some FFL holder hasnt done this? honestly great idea!

Tallships | 09-20-2009 11:30 AM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� call it cash4guns.

MetalManiac | 09-20-2009 02:26 PM
Re: LAPD Implies Owning Guns Is �Illegal� Private citizens are already doing that in my town. This is in the local newspaper classifieds every day! CASH!! For Guns, Ammo & Reloading Supplies. Call XXX-XXX-XXXX bancha

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