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Dawg | 03-04-2010 02:37 AM
School Me On Glocks Never fired one or even held one. Tell me why I need to get one. I am an old school 1911 kinda guy. But I hear they have one that holds a bazillian rounds. I think I would like something with some firepower. Are they reliable, accurate? Give me your recommendations please.

SWRichmond | 03-04-2010 07:33 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks I am extremely accustomed to the grip angle on the 1911 (many thousands of rounds through 1911's and high standard victor), and when I grip a glock it is pointed at the sky. Also, being accustomed to the fine single-stage trigger on the 1911s and victor I shoot, the glock trigger is positively icky. The stupid extra thingy on the trigger is very distracting, it feels to me like the trigger is broken or dirty. If you wanna know why the trigger on glocks feels so icky, go to this web page and scroll about halfway down and look at all the surfaces the guy says you need to polish to help the trigger pull not suck so bad. Then think about the sear/hammer in your 1911. http://www.alpharubicon.com/mrpoyz/glock/

eyeofliberty | 03-04-2010 08:17 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks I had been a rifle shooter all my life before I bought my first handgun, a Glock 22 (.40 cal.). I decided to take a "Basic Handgun Safety" course after I got it, and on the range that day, I shot very tight groups at 25 feet. The instructor remarked that "you must have done this before, that's some nice tight grouping." I told him that I hadn't done much pistol shooting at all, that I was a rifleman. The Glock was straight out of the box, with no modifications. I have enjoyed shooting it immensely, it is a solid, reliable gun. I have never, so far, had it fail on me. I believe Glock reliability is legendary, and there's plenty of testimony, and some pretty amazing "torture test" videos, on the 'net. I know a lot of folks don't like the grip, but I don't have a problem with it. I like that it doesn't have a traditional safety, but the "safe-action trigger." It works well for me. There's a ton of after-market stuff for Glocks, so everything is modifiable. And the prices are reasonable. I believe they also have less parts than most handguns. I would say if you can get to a range and either rent or borrow one, do that first, and then decide.

Ares | 03-04-2010 08:25 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks I have a Glock 17, the fianc� has a Glock 26 that she carries in her purse. Extremely reliable, they are as I've been told. The AK-47 of the hand gun world. As you really can drop them in sand, dirt, mud pick it up and it will fire. Glock 17 holds 17 rounds of 9mm ammunition.

SWRichmond | 03-04-2010 08:30 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 2210097) I had been a rifle shooter all my life before I bought my first handgun, a Glock 22 (.40 cal.). I decided to take a "Basic Handgun Safety" course after I got it, and on the range that day, I shot very tight groups at 25 yards. The instructor remarked that "you must have done this before, that's some nice tight grouping." I told him that I hadn't done much pistol shooting at all, that I was a rifleman. The Glock was straight out of the box, with no modifications. I have enjoyed shooting it immensely, it is a solid, reliable gun. I have never, so far, had it fail on me. I believe Glock reliability is legendary, and there's plenty of testimony, and some pretty amazing "torture test" videos, on the 'net. I know a lot of folks don't like the grip, but I don't have a problem with it. I like that it doesn't have a traditional safety, but the "safe-action trigger." It works well for me. There's a ton of after-market stuff for Glocks, so everything is modifiable. And the prices are reasonable. I believe they also have less parts than most handguns. I would say if you can get to a range and either rent or borrow one, do that first, and then decide.
please define "very tight groups".

Twisted Avatar | 03-04-2010 08:32 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks Nothing pretty about them ...........but very reliable.......anybody can be taught to use and feild strip Most complaints are superficial but can be overcome for most part via the after market. Every Patriots battery should have at least two. :evil: T

EE_ | 03-04-2010 08:34 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks When Glocks came out, I couldn't get used to the grip angle. Now being a lover of one of the worlds best combat handguns, I have grown very accustomed to the angle, and love it! I believe, one reason for this angle (my theory), is it locks your wrist in a position to keep this weapon on target for follow up shots. A simple test, is to make a fist at a 1911 angle and push the front of your fist with the other hand...watch your rist rock back. Now try it in a glock angle, pushing more at your index finger knuckle. No rock. Secondly, a very low bore axis keeps the blow back very close in line with your forearm. Think follow up shots! If you don't like the trigger, upgrade it.

EE_ | 03-04-2010 08:35 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 2210116) Nothing pretty about them ...........but very reliable.......anybody can be taught to use and feild strip Most complaints are superficial but can be overcome for most part via the after market. Every Patriots battery should have at least two. :evil: T
I disagree...the beauty is in it's simplicity! Just as in an AK 47.

SWRichmond | 03-04-2010 08:37 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks I just enjoy poking at glocks, because i know TA will respond almost immediately....:bull-smile:

SWRichmond | 03-04-2010 08:39 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/problems.html Do these weapons all have problems like these?

RossL | 03-04-2010 08:51 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by SWRichmond (Post 2210124) Do these weapons all have problems like these?
simple solutions Quote:
only one out of four slide frame rails within the nine month range of manufacture, is affected. "The CNC machines produce four rails at a time, and one of those stations was bending its rails at a sharp 90� angle when a slight radius is required.
simple solution, don't buy one of the affected guns from 1998. Or the next few years after that Quote:
adding the number "1" as a hyphenated prefix to the original serial number, will require the filing of additional state paperwork in California (costing the Glock owner approximately $150 additional, plus the 15 day wait), New York, New Jersey and other jurisdictions.
simple solution, don't live in a place that makes you register handguns. :biggrin:

Twisted Avatar | 03-04-2010 08:56 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by SWRichmond (Post 2210124) http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/problems.html Do these weapons all have problems like these?
That is a very imformative site. I will be poking around there for a while. T

coopersmith | 03-04-2010 09:01 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks For my money id look into the springfield armory XD series of handguns and forget glocks.

Ares | 03-04-2010 09:04 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by coopersmith (Post 2210158) For my money id look into the springfield armory XD series of handguns and forget glocks.
Except that springfield "borrowed" a lot of the Glocks designs for the XD series.

Usury | 03-04-2010 09:08 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks Springfield XD.....problem solved!

CrufflerJJ | 03-04-2010 09:25 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by Usury (Post 2210165) Springfield XD.....problem solved!
How available are OEM and aftermarket repair parts for the XD pistols? That's one thing I like about Glocks. Need a spare barrel or extractor or whatnot? Just look online...no hassles at all.

coopersmith | 03-04-2010 09:31 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 2210207) How available are OEM and aftermarket repair parts for the XD pistols? That's one thing I like about Glocks. Need a spare barrel or extractor or whatnot? Just look online...no hassles at all.
http://www.xdpistols.com/

ruprick | 03-04-2010 09:43 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks They are the ultimate "End of the World" handgun....simple, easy, reliable,. Pick your flavor - mine is 9mm.....I've got one for every family member + 2 spares. and a half dozen mags per gun. It was an easy decision for me....just a transaction to convert more shitty green paper to hard items....guns are easy to get right now and will never cost less in terms of shitty green paper than right now. Do it - get a mess of them and check the box that says - "SHTF Handguns" on your prep list. Don't get me wrong - I love all guns and many look nicer and are made of better materials, etc.......but these are strictly for SHTF readiness. They are not target pistols - they are fighting guns. I doubt they will ever see any use.....but if you need them - you must have them. The Glock is the 350 cu inch Chevy of the survival gun world. Why jack around with some odd balled thing.....millions of police and military forces can't be that wrong.

eyeofliberty | 03-04-2010 10:12 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by SWRichmond (Post 2210115) please define "very tight groups".
1/2" groups...

Haltiat | 03-04-2010 11:14 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks Glocks aren't pretty, their triggers are ho-hum and they aren't exactly the best feeling handgun to hold. However they are superbly reliable, accurate, strong and they have the best feeding device in the handgun world. A .40 caliber Glock 22 can be converted to 9mm, .357 Sig and .22lr.

SWRichmond | 03-04-2010 11:19 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 2210265) 1/2" groups...
I'd really like to see that.

eyeofliberty | 03-04-2010 11:36 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by SWRichmond (Post 2210370) I'd really like to see that.
I'll get pics, next time I'm out. :biggrin:

goldbug | 03-04-2010 11:40 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks Is there some sort of recall or repair needed on older models?

SWRichmond | 03-04-2010 11:52 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 2210409) I'll get pics, next time I'm out. :biggrin:
please do. Are you sure that wasn't 25 feet? Google results first page for "glock groups 25 yards": http://www.gun-tests.com/issues/10_1...ols4569-1.html Although Glocks aren�t known for being especially accurate, this one was the second-most accurate pistol of the test. Its smallest five-shot average groups, 2.65 inches at 25 yards, were obtained using Winchester 155-grain Silvertips. Remington 180-grain JHPs came in a close second with 2.75-inch groups. Speer Lawman 180-grain TMJs managed 3.38-inch groups. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...5/ai_55605777/ Brian Toal, a New Jersey cop and firearms instructor, was able to print a 2" five-shot group with this gun at 25 yards, using Federal's exquisitely accurate 115 gr. hollowpoint from their Classic series, the 9BP. A Glock spokesman told me we could expect 2.5" groups at this distance, and clearly, he told me no lie. http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/i.../t-130813.html Most Glocks do not fall into the realm of target grade accurate but 3" groups at 25 meters is a reasonable expectation with any model Glock. I can shoot groups of this size and smaller, offhand, with a fixed sight model 26 and you should do the same with the 17. Good Luck. Glocks have a hideous trigger. You are comparing a $1500 single action 1911 with a trigger that breaks "like a glass rod", to a $500 glock with a long spongey trigger that breaks more like a wet toothpick. I have had 2 glocks, both were sold due to the crappy trigger. It can be overcome, but that is like aquiring a taste for coffee. Why work so hard to be able to tolerate something that sucks? http://www.tactical-life.com/online/...ort-sweet-45s/ GLOCKs are service pistols. Their primary purpose being battle, their most important attributes are reliability and durability. My near-daily carry pistol is the GLOCK 19. It�s had that role since 2001. It�s no tack driver, seldom issuing groups less than three inches from 25 yards. That said it has worked without exception since its purchase.

mightymanx | 03-04-2010 12:00 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks All my 1911 friends like the XD's they have more of the 1911 crap and bells and whistles than a Glock does (grip safeties etc.) For me being a Glock guy I have never seen the need for all that extra stuff the XD's have. Personally the Glock in my opinion is he anti 1911 no safety no fancy grip no beavertail hammer etc. My 1911 buddy explained it, as "Glock is the Macintosh of the gun world" I love them and have carried one for 17 years it was my first pistol for carry a gen 2 glock 19. I don't need to carry extra mags 15 rounds is plenty. I like the grip angle and most that use aggressive stances do. The 1911 for me never really fit and I hate extra crap on guns. When I picked up the glock everything just seemed to fit. It is a great instinctive shooting gun for me and it is the best snapshooting pistol I have ever shot outside of black powder revolvers. In my experience if you are a diehard 1911 person the Glock is going to be a tough pistol to embrace because it is like being a lifetime Chevy lover and the getting a Ford. The XD's seem to be a good 1/2 step between the worlds because they are basically a Glock with the 1911 bells and whistles, so it is easier to embrace. If you do get one enjoy the simple no frills reliable high capacity of it you will never be able to find elegance in a Glock, but just like a ugly stray mutt they usually make the best dogs for a companion.

Caligula | 03-04-2010 12:14 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 2210097) I would say if you can get to a range and either rent or borrow one, do that first, and then decide.
This is the only thing OP should read. I have never seen a gun range that doesn't have a glock on hand for rent. Shoot it....and decide for yourself.

eyeofliberty | 03-04-2010 12:23 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by SWRichmond (Post 2210439) please do. Are you sure that wasn't 25 feet? Google results first page for "glock groups 25 yards"
Damn, yes. My bad � it was 25 FEET, not YARDS. Good catch, good call. :thumb.aspx:

Walter Mitty | 03-04-2010 12:54 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Not an expert on Glocks so just my opinion. Pro's: Good operating system. Very elegantly designed lockwork. The striker is not under spring pressure at rest. As the trigger is pulled the striker is pushed backwards against the striker spring. At the same time the striker block is raised allowing the striker to contact the cartridge primer once the striker is released at the end of the trigger stroke. Simple to operate. No hammer drops or external hammers or external safeties to mess with. No grip safety. If you miss your grip upon drawing, the gun will still fire. Primary safety is your brain. Secondary safety is your trigger finger. Keep it off the trigger and the Glock cannot fire. Same trigger pull each time. High capacity magazines. Reliable. Cons: Large grips. Uncomfortable for women or men with small hands. (grip reductions can be done on Gen 1,2&3 models) The 4th Generation Glocks address this problem and the grip is smaller with a snap in backstrap extender for people with big hands. Front of the Frame flexes upon firing (especially with the .40 S&W) which marks the inside front of the slide to varying degrees. (A guy at the gun store called this "shining" and is due to frame flex and one point on both sides of the inside of the slide hitting the barrel block) Police depts. were having reliability issues when lights were attached to the front of the frames. The 4th Gen. Glock addresses this problem by using a double recoils spring to reduce frame flex. Plastic sights as the pistol comes from the factory. Polygon rifled barrels. Must shoot copper "jacketed" bullets only. After market barrels with button rifling are available and you can shoot cast lead or copper "washed" bullets through them. Recommendation: Go with the 9mm (less frame flex). Ammo Corbon DPX hollow points for self defense. Gen. 4 (so wife or girlfriend will find it comfortable to shoot). Replace plastic sights with steel sights.

Dawg | 03-04-2010 12:57 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by coopersmith (Post 2210158) For my money id look into the springfield armory XD series of handguns and forget glocks.
I have a friend that has an XD, and I have fired it quite a bit. I really liked it, but I am looking for Firepower as an option in a new weapon. I already have a Combat Commander that has the ability to be carried with 10 rounds. I like the 17 round capacity of the 17 and the ability to stick a 33 rounder in it If I choose. I have had a lot of experience with the H&K P7's and I shoot them very accurate because of the low bore. I think the Glock would perform for me in the same vein. There have been some great posts. I knew GIM would be the place to ask this. Thanks guys.

SWRichmond | 03-04-2010 01:00 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Mitty (Post 2210509) Not an expert on Glocks so just my opinion. Pro's: Good operating system. Very elegantly designed lockwork. The striker is not under spring pressure at rest. As the trigger is pulled the striker is pushed backwards against the striker spring. At the same time the striker block is raised allowing the striker to contact the cartridge primer once the striker is released at the end of the trigger stroke. Simple to operate. No hammer drops or external hammers or external safeties to mess with. No grip safety. If you miss your grip upon drawing, the gun will still fire. Primary safety is your brain. Secondary safety is your trigger finger. Keep it off the trigger and the Glock cannot fire. Same trigger pull each time. High capacity magazines. Reliable. Cons: Large grips. Uncomfortable for women or men with small hands. (grip reductions can be done on Gen 1,2&3 models) The 4th Generation Glocks address this problem and the grip is smaller with a snap in backstrap extender for people with big hands. Front of the Frame flexes upon firing (especially with the .40 S&W) which marks the inside front of the slide to varying degrees. (A guy at the gun store called this "shining" and is due to frame flex and one point on both sides of the inside of the slide hitting the barrel block) Police depts. were having reliability issues when lights were attached to the front of the frames. The 4th Gen. Glock addresses this problem by using a double recoils spring to reduce frame flex. Plastic sights as the pistol comes from the factory. Polygon rifled barrels. Must shoot copper "jacketed" bullets only. After market barrels with button rifling are available and you can shoot cast lead or copper "washed" bullets through them. Recommendation: Go with the 9mm (less frame flex). Ammo Corbon DPX hollow points for self defense. Gen. 4 (so wife or girlfriend will find it comfortable to shoot)
Glocks bend when you shoot them? You guys are nuts.

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45 ACP | 03-04-2010 01:13 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks It's a great battle pistol. Easy to break down and clean. No tools needed. Always goes bang. Perhaps not a beauty, but a great tool for its designed purpose. Go shoot some.

Walter Mitty | 03-04-2010 01:24 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Look how the barrels on AK47's flex when fired. Same with M-16's or any rifle. The only problems the frame flex causes is the "shining" I mentioned and the lights hanging off the front compounding this flex. As far as I know it has not caused any safety problems. I think Gaston Glock should have corrected this by reinforcing the frame from the barrel block to the front of the frame with steel. I can only surmise that the flexing was minor with the 9mm round and His testing showed it wasn't an issue (in the 9mm.) I think it is only when the .40 S&W and maybe .45 ACP came out the increased frame flex was potentially problematical. And again I can only assume the Glock's engineers tested the heck out of pistols in these calibers and came to the conclusion the tensile strength of the materials used in the frames was adequate to handle the increased flexing. The millions? of Glocks in various calibers used today all over the World with no problems seem to bear out this conclusion.

SLV>GLD | 03-04-2010 01:27 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 2210481) Damn, yes. My bad — it was 25 FEET, not YARDS. Good catch, good call. :thumb.aspx:
LOL, I was doubting you, too. 1/2" groups at 25yds wouldn't be the easiest thing even with a rifle and decent glass.

wallew | 03-04-2010 01:33 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Here's the link for the 'Tortured Glock 21'... http://www.theprepared.com/index.php...iew&id=90&Item To all those who worry about Glock problems, like the ones presented in that article, please note the DATE of said article. You are talking about problems with Glocks TWO GENERATIONS AGO (six plus years ago). So yeah, Caveat Emptor if you purchase a Gen 1 or Gen 2 Glock. The majority of problems Glock USED to have will have long since been resolved with the release of a new generation. I have found NO complaints about Gen 3 or Gen 4. My Glock 22 in RTF is either a love it or hate it type of firearm. There is generally no middle ground. I love mine. OH, if you want Glock mags, get them at CDNN Sports... http://www.cdnninvestments.com/glock.html They usually sell factory mags for $20 each. You can get the 33 round ones for $34. About once every three to four months, they have a free shipping deal and about twice a year they have a buy five get one free sale and they GENERALLY include free shipping as part of that promotion.

eyeofliberty | 03-04-2010 02:04 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 2210560) LOL, I was doubting you, too. 1/2" groups at 25yds wouldn't be the easiest thing even with a rifle and decent glass.
Yeah, still shaking my head on this one. I can't believe I made such a basic mistake as feet vs. yards. Duh.

renegade_01 | 03-04-2010 02:18 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by coopersmith (Post 2210158) For my money id look into the springfield armory XD series of handguns and forget glocks.
Yah....watch the Nutnfancy Glock VS. XD shootout on youtube and you may want to retract that statement. XD had several failure, Glock kept pumping out strong. You Tube
You Tube

SWRichmond | 03-04-2010 02:58 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks XDM vs "Third generation glock 17". 1911 has been around for 100 years. Choose.

SWRichmond | 03-04-2010 03:03 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Edit: just watched the nutnfancy video. Those guys suck, really bad. OMFG. They shot those targets at 7 yards? They need to sell those things and move into an old folks home, stat. With lousy 9mm? I'm seriously shocked. Next time I go to the range for pistol I'll take a camera and post some target pics. I know the drill those guys were trying to do, except we do it draw and fire two rounds in three seconds from 3 yards, then 7 yards, then 12 yards.

Peter Robbins | 03-04-2010 04:04 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks I think the reason a lot of people rag on glocks is because they cant shoot them very well. I couldnt either when I first started. After some practice, I really really really like glocks and like their factory trigger. Its is predictable and repeatable, just takes some practice. Every glock is concealable. Without a bunch of hammers, levers, safties, etc hanging off of them, they make a compact streamline design, ideal for concealment. Mags. Inexpensive and interchangable. One of the best features in my book. Every polymer pistol out there now a days has copied glock in one form or another. Go buy a glock, shoot a thousand rounds through it and youll never go back. If you really dont like it, you can sell it for 25$ less than what you paid for it.

coopersmith | 03-04-2010 05:18 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Ah yes my mistake, keep away from the springfield XD's, they are total crap. Choose a glock instead. LOL :confused_ma:

hypervel | 03-04-2010 05:26 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 2210265) 1/2" groups...
You know, if you'd just stop shaking those groups might open up to the 3" like they should be. :tongue_ma:

Contento | 03-04-2010 06:29 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks People are right when they say damn near every modern "plastic" gun has stolen one feature or another from Glock- but they shouldn't be penalized for that. I'm a Xdm guy myself, but Glocks are a great gun in their own right. Shoot a Glock, if you like it buy one(or more). Shoot some other polymer's too just to get a better idea of what you do/don't like.

shades2 | 03-04-2010 07:13 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Slow shooting, with standard (read: horrible), polymer sights at 10 yards with a G34 9mm on a good day, I'll make all the holes touch. (Well at least I used to, haven't been to the range in far too long). My thoughts as a Glock owner. The barrel and slide are outstanding. Very important to keep the feed ramp clean if you shoot lead or expect the occasional lock-up. The polygonal barrel rifling and design = extreme accuracy. Ergonomics overall are pretty good, slide release is a bit far from the grip. Trigger however is quite horrible, even with a 3.5lb trigger like mine. Using the Glock trigger-reset is essential for better accuracy. I realise this is because of the trigger safety design and the desire to make the Glock simple and like a revolver to shoot, but I still don't like the trigger and it takes a long time to train yourself to appreciate it. Felt recoil on 9mm is very mild. .40 full-power loads is a different story on the other guns. Metal parts that sit in the polymer frame that allow the slide to run to my eyes seem a little thin, would have preferred longer and beefier slide supports to spread the instantaneous force load from round detonation. Overall, excellent gun. Rugged, light, accurate out of the box (shooter will be the weak point). Hateful trigger that can be tamed. 3 safeties. Trigger/Drop/FiringPin. Tear down is ridiculously easy to do. Tough nitrided finish is brilliant on slide etc. Finish on barrel not so wonderful, but barrels get replaced.

Lurch | 03-04-2010 07:16 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks FWIW, the wife's cousin is a "contractor" with one of the large outfits and at a dinner I asked what kind of gear he carried in his kit. His firearms choices came down to a simple statement that the only firearms that he trusted his life with were AKs and Glocks. YMMV.

Haltiat | 03-04-2010 07:27 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by renegade_01 (Post 2210639) Yah....watch the Nutnfancy Glock VS. XD shootout on youtube and you may want to retract that statement. XD had several failure, Glock kept pumping out strong.
I've been hearing about XD's going down in classes for a couple years now. Quote:
Originally Posted by SWRichmond (Post 2210691) XDM vs "Third generation glock 17". 1911 has been around for 100 years. Choose.
So is it that you don't know much about 1911's or are you just withholding the facts so as to give newbs a false impression?

Dawg | 03-04-2010 08:29 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by SWRichmond (Post 2210704) Edit: just watched the nutnfancy video. Those guys suck, really bad. OMFG. They shot those targets at 7 yards? They need to sell those things and move into an old folks home, stat. With lousy 9mm? I'm seriously shocked. Next time I go to the range for pistol I'll take a camera and post some target pics. I know the drill those guys were trying to do, except we do it draw and fire two rounds in three seconds from 3 yards, then 7 yards, then 12 yards.
Man....you are not kidding. I watched half the video, and I felt embarresed for those guys. I have never shot in a formal competition, but a friend and I always would do timed drills and compete against each other to put some pressure on us, and I would smoke them guys. Christ, my non accurized Stock Combat Commander (9mm) shoots much better than that. I agree with the comments and comparisons about the glock being the AK of pistols, and that was my reasoning behind the consideration. I am going down to my local range tomorrow and test a Glock 17 for myself. I am still interested in the firepower and the bang every time.

branshew | 03-04-2010 09:25 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg (Post 2210515) I have a friend that has an XD, and I have fired it quite a bit. I really liked it, but I am looking for Firepower as an option in a new weapon. I like the 17 round capacity of the 17 and the ability to stick a 33 rounder in it If I choose.
The newer XDs (XDM) are 19+1. If you need to stick a 33 round mag in a pistol then you need a different (or additional) gun. I think of a pistol being useful in a situation where you need to conceal that fact that you have a gun or when your rifle and shotgun are out of ammo and you need to TCOB at close range. Tyring to conceal or wielding a pistol w/ a 33 round mag in close quarters would be a little cumbersome. If you still insist, Promag makes a 32 rounder for the XD.

SWRichmond | 03-04-2010 10:12 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltiat (Post 2211063) I've been hearing about XD's going down in classes for a couple years now. So is it that you don't know much about 1911's or are you just withholding the facts so as to give newbs a false impression?
XDM is probably considered "first generation", and so is likely to have some problems like the early glocks. OTOH, the 1911 has been around for 100 years and is extremely well and widely understood. SO, choose a first gen XDM, or a "third gen glock", or a proven 100 year old design that has not only survived the test of time, but has thrived.

Dawg | 03-04-2010 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by branshew (Post 2211275) The newer XDs (XDM) are 19+1. If you need to stick a 33 round mag in a pistol then you need a different (or additional) gun. I think of a pistol being useful in a situation where you need to conceal that fact that you have a gun or when your rifle and shotgun are out of ammo and you need to TCOB at close range. Tyring to conceal or wielding a pistol w/ a 33 round mag in close quarters would be a little cumbersome. If you still insist, Promag makes a 32 rounder for the XD.
Thanks for your input. Yes I was aware of the 19 + 1 capacity of the XDM. I have quite a bit of range time with one. As for the "need" to stick a 33 round mag in a Glock.....No need here my friend, strictly a want. I have had all my needs covered for a long, long time. I just have a thing for conversions. You Tube
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Haltiat | 03-05-2010 12:21 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by SWRichmond (Post 2211339) XDM is probably considered "first generation", and so is likely to have some problems like the early glocks. OTOH, the 1911 has been around for 100 years and is extremely well and widely understood. SO, choose a first gen XDM, or a "third gen glock", or a proven 100 year old design that has not only survived the test of time, but has thrived.
The 1911 has gone through many, many revisions and modifications in that time. Buying a 1911 is no assurance of reliability either, especially since building them for accuracy often inherently hurts their reliability. While I feel the 1911 is obsolescent in the same way a 1903 Springfield rifle is, it is noteworthy that the design is still relevant at all after so much time has passed. Nobody in 1911 could make a sane argument for the validity of choosing a handgun designed in 1811 for self defense. Firearms technology is fairly stable these days.

Haltiat | 03-05-2010 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Dawg (Post 2211449) Thanks for your input. Yes I was aware of the 19 + 1 capacity of the XDM. I have quite a bit of range time with one. As for the "need" to stick a 33 round mag in a Glock.....No need here my friend, strictly a want. I have had all my needs covered for a long, long time. I just have a thing for conversions.
There are +2 floorplates for Glock 17 mags. There's your 19+1. A flush fitting mag should be what's in the well when you're carrying but a 33 round happy stick is one heck of a reload!

SWRichmond | 03-05-2010 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Haltiat (Post 2211521) The 1911 has gone through many, many revisions and modifications in that time. Buying a 1911 is no assurance of reliability either, especially since building them for accuracy often inherently hurts their reliability. While I feel the 1911 is obsolescent in the same way a 1903 Springfield rifle is, it is noteworthy that the design is still relevant at all after so much time has passed. Nobody in 1911 could make a sane argument for the validity of choosing a handgun designed in 1811 for self defense. Firearms technology is fairly stable these days.
Which is my point. The 1911 is a mature technology. While few would carry a target-grade 1911 that had been built for extreme accuracy, that is mostly because of cost considerations, not reliability. What makes anyone think that failures are OK at the extreme heights of competition? They're not. You guys really don't know anything at all about the 1911. Enjoy your plastic guns that bend when you shoot em and have tiny little pieces of steel inside to hold them together, that work fine with 9mm but "shine" to a sometimes troubling degree when shooting .45. Buying a Glock is no assurance of reliability, either. While I feel the 1911 is obsolescent in the same way a 1903 Springfield rifle is, Go to your local gunshop and see what the pistol case is full of. My local shop's case has at least as many 1911s as all the "modern" plastic guns combined. They're selling what people want.

Walter Mitty | 03-05-2010 10:27 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks A good 1911 is pretty reliable. Problem is a good one is almost twice the price of a Glock or XD. You really do not have to do anything to a Glock. Although installing steel sights on a carry gun is a good idea. For a 1911: If you are left handed you have to put a Ambi safety on the gun.(or buy one with an ambi safety) Most 1911's have less than adequate trigger pulls from the factory so you need to spend money on a trigger job. Also trigger jobs on 1911's don't last forever so depending on how many rounds you fire a year or how good the pistol smith was who did the trigger job you may have to have another trigger job done in 2-3 years. You need to make sure the extractor is tuned and the claw end is modified/cut and polished properly. Most 1911's come with long triggers. If you have small hands you need to put a short or medium trigger in them. If the front strap is not checkered you need to get it checkered or put skate board tape on it or put a set of Pachmeyer or Hogue wrap around stocks on it. All of this extra work adds to the cost. I have some armorers training and tools so I can replace parts , do trigger jobs, and do tune-ups on my 1911. So my cost's to keep my 1911 running are minimal. If you are not really "in" to firearms but want something reliable you can train with, carry concealed and use for self defense, Get a Glock. 9mm, put steel sights on it, corbon dpx hollow points, Gen 4. just my .02.

J.D.Rockinfeller | 03-05-2010 10:39 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks ... i dunno..where i live and hike i literally trust my LIFE to a glock 21. Being in grizz country i finally put away my trusty model 29 in favor of 13+1 .45acp i can get 7 shots on target for every one .44 mag

Ares | 03-05-2010 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SWRichmond (Post 2211787) Which is my point. The 1911 is a mature technology. While few would carry a target-grade 1911 that had been built for extreme accuracy, that is mostly because of cost considerations, not reliability. What makes anyone think that failures are OK at the extreme heights of competition? They're not. You guys really don't know anything at all about the 1911. Enjoy your plastic guns that bend when you shoot em and have tiny little pieces of steel inside to hold them together, that work fine with 9mm but "shine" to a sometimes troubling degree when shooting .45. Buying a Glock is no assurance of reliability, either. While I feel the 1911 is obsolescent in the same way a 1903 Springfield rifle is, Go to your local gunshop and see what the pistol case is full of. My local shop's case has at least as many 1911s as all the "modern" plastic guns combined. They're selling what people want.
I'll take the RELIABILITY any day of the week over a 100 year old design. Can you drop a 1911 in the mud, dirt, sand, pick it up and fire every time? I doubt it. I consider a good 1911 a collectors item, it had its place and history and filled the need at the time. Like everything else, things advance. You say "plastic" like it's a bad thing, but it allows the gun to be lighter, won't tarnish, and very rarely ever needs cleaning. Try shooting 5,000 rounds through a 1911 without cleaning, and see if you don't start having jams. Thanks I'll keep my "plastic" gun.

Twisted Avatar | 03-05-2010 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Ares (Post 2211968) I'll take the RELIABILITY any day of the week over a 100 year old design. Can you drop a 1911 in the mud, dirt, sand, pick it up and fire every time? I doubt it. I consider a good 1911 a collectors item, it had its place and history and filled the need at the time. Like everything else, things advance. You say "plastic" like it's a bad thing, but it allows the gun to be lighter, won't tarnish, and very rarely ever needs cleaning. Try shooting 5,000 rounds through a 1911 without cleaning, and see if you don't start having jams. Thanks I'll keep my "plastic" gun.
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Quadroon | 03-05-2010 12:23 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks From an interested observer who so far has stuck to revolvers . . . If I ever make the leap to semi-autos . . . Based upon all the books and articles I have read . . . And all the online �debates,� I have followed . . . For personal defense I would purchase a Glock . . . In automotive terms, I�ve gotten the impression that comparing a 1911 to a Glock is like comparing a 1967 Corvette Stingray Convertible to a 2010 Honda Accord. Stingray for the friendly weekend picnic . . . Accord for the hostile week-day commute.

Glasgow | 03-05-2010 01:05 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Or to put it another way. Kimbers and Colts are what you show to your friends, Glocks are what you show to your enemy

JJ_ | 03-05-2010 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dawg (Post 2211449) ..... I just have a thing for conversions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpNA-TZnMC4
OK that was REALLY cool... Just for fun I'm sure.

wallew | 03-05-2010 01:19 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by SWRichmond (Post 2211787) Which is my point. The 1911 is a mature technology. While few would carry a target-grade 1911 that had been built for extreme accuracy, that is mostly because of cost considerations, not reliability. What makes anyone think that failures are OK at the extreme heights of competition? They're not. You guys really don't know anything at all about the 1911. Enjoy your plastic guns that bend when you shoot em and have tiny little pieces of steel inside to hold them together, that work fine with 9mm but "shine" to a sometimes troubling degree when shooting .45. Buying a Glock is no assurance of reliability, either. While I feel the 1911 is obsolescent in the same way a 1903 Springfield rifle is, Go to your local gunshop and see what the pistol case is full of. My local shop's case has at least as many 1911s as all the "modern" plastic guns combined. They're selling what people want.
No, they are selling people WHAT WILL MAKE THEM MONEY. Just like every OTHER business out there. And yeah, there are still SOME OLD GUYS (such as myself) that are 1911 buffs. But the days of the 1911 ARE slowly disappearing. Thirty years ago, EVERYONE shot 1911 in competition. Then along comes Gaston Glock who throws a wrench into thing. These days you are just as likely to find someone shooting a Glock in competition as you are to find them shooting a 1911. And there are shoots that are GLOCK ONLY matches. I don't think I've EVER SEEN a 1911 ONLY match. Not to say that many a match has been run with ONLY 1911's being used. That being said, the 1911 will be relagated to the dustbin of history within the next generation (20 yrs). NOT THE ROUND, but JMB's 1911 design. Good for it's time. It's days are slowly waning. And THAT my friend is from someone who not only KNOWS 1911 (in my sleep mind you) but has owned LOADS of them over the years. I recently gave them all up for something a little more modern in design and functionality. I spoke with a longtime friend of mine who is an armorer for the Special Forces (he took a job I turned down) and the told me that ALL his guys carry Glocks. That was good enough for me. If the guys who put their life on the line on a daily basis pick Glock? I ain't arguing with their choices. Feel free to carry what ever you feel the most comfortable with. But KINDLY allow every one else the same freedom of choice. And KINDLY stop infereing that only YOUR choice is a good one.

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wallew | 03-05-2010 01:24 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadroon (Post 2212149) From an interested observer who so far has stuck to revolvers . . . If I ever make the leap to semi-autos . . . Based upon all the books and articles I have read . . . And all the online �debates,� I have followed . . . For personal defense I would purchase a Glock . . . In automotive terms, I�ve gotten the impression that comparing a 1911 to a Glock is like comparing a 1967 Corvette Stingray Convertible to a 2010 Honda Accord. Stingray for the friendly weekend picnic . . . Accord for the hostile week-day commute.
While your comparison was close, it's more like the 1911 to a Glock is like comparing a 1972 Corvette Stingray to a TESLA Roadster. THAT is the comparison.

smullen | 03-05-2010 03:02 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks I've been shooting Glocks and other Auto Pistols for over 12 years... Never had a problem with any of my Glocks... I also own Springfield XDMs, S&W MPs and a few others... I really like my Glocks... I'm not sure what all the ""I don't like the grip feel". is, maybe I've got a bigger adult hand??? I dunno I have Glocks in .9mm, .40 and .45... They all shoot 100% reliably... I've let my .40 and .45s get very nasty and dirty before cleaning them just to see how they would react and what would make them malfunction... I will not say that Glock is better than any other brand, just that I am comfortable with them and would trust my life to them... I will continue to add Glocks to my collection.. I really recomend either shooting a friends or going to a range and renting one of several brands and models... Put at least 4-5 good mags though each see how it fits, opperates, what you like and dislike... Choosing a pistol can almost be like Ford Vs. Chevy... There is Total perfect pistol for everyone, only you...

shinylid | 03-05-2010 03:43 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks I can only attest to the Glock 26 as I have not shot any other Glocks, but I love it. I did get the extender for the clip- so I can carry two more rounds and it leaves me a spot for my pinky. The grip is nice and the trigger is decent. The best way I can describe it is it feels tight. The one I bough just recently has not even hit the manufacture break in of 400 rounds(if I remember correct). Should I still clean it if it's going to sit for a while? I think they recommend not cleaning it till 400 so that the manufacturer lube can work into the gun?

sirgonzo420 | 03-05-2010 03:59 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by Ares (Post 2210112) I have a Glock 17, the fianc� has a Glock 26 that she carries in her purse. Extremely reliable, they are as I've been told. The AK-47 of the hand gun world. As you really can drop them in sand, dirt, mud pick it up and it will fire. Glock 17 holds 17 rounds of 9mm ammunition.
That's pretty much verbatim what I tell people. .

renegade_01 | 03-05-2010 04:14 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks I own a 1911, jframe airweight, and glock. The glock is my fav and if its stolen im only out 500$ I like my 1911. But for daily carry, glock all day. I pitty the fools who avoid them for having "plastic" on them. Its just better tech... Its glass injected poly. Bout to get a glock 19

meatman | 03-05-2010 04:38 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Huge Glock 20 fan Was at the range today and all the staff was holding and looking at their 1st generation 4 glock they got in it was a 17. long story short 10 min. later. they had no more Generation 4 glocks left in stock. Because I left with it plus a couple 33 rd mags http://meatman.smugmug.com/Other/gun...2_ZADaX-XL.jpg

Dawg | 03-05-2010 06:14 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by meatman (Post 2212531) Huge Glock 20 fan Was at the range today and all the staff was holding and looking at their 1st generation 4 glock they got in it was a 17. long story short 10 min. later. they had no more Generation 4 glocks left in stock. Because I left with it plus a couple 33 rd mags http://meatman.smugmug.com/Other/gun...2_ZADaX-XL.jpg
You suck dude.......in a good way of course :emotions16: Nice Snag.

shortstack | 03-05-2010 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by wallew (Post 2212237) No, they are selling people WHAT WILL MAKE THEM MONEY. Just like every OTHER business out there. And yeah, there are still SOME OLD GUYS (such as myself) that are 1911 buffs. But the days of the 1911 ARE slowly disappearing. Thirty years ago, EVERYONE shot 1911 in competition. Then along comes Gaston Glock who throws a wrench into thing. These days you are just as likely to find someone shooting a Glock in competition as you are to find them shooting a 1911. And there are shoots that are GLOCK ONLY matches. I don't think I've EVER SEEN a 1911 ONLY match. Not to say that many a match has been run with ONLY 1911's being used. That being said, the 1911 will be relagated to the dustbin of history within the next generation (20 yrs). NOT THE ROUND, but JMB's 1911 design. Good for it's time. It's days are slowly waning. And THAT my friend is from someone who not only KNOWS 1911 (in my sleep mind you) but has owned LOADS of them over the years. I recently gave them all up for something a little more modern in design and functionality. I spoke with a longtime friend of mine who is an armorer for the Special Forces (he took a job I turned down) and the told me that ALL his guys carry Glocks. That was good enough for me. If the guys who put their life on the line on a daily basis pick Glock? I ain't arguing with their choices. Feel free to carry what ever you feel the most comfortable with. But KINDLY allow every one else the same freedom of choice. And KINDLY stop infereing that only YOUR choice is a good one.
OK, you know your stuff about the 1911, so do quite a few guys here. If a gun shop offered you any free weapon you wanted, and you knew you would be walking outside the shop into the wild west post SHTF, would you take a 45 caliber Glock or a Wilson Combat (or Nighthawk) 45? And lets say you only cared about reliability here, not capacity What I am trying to ask here is this. When you get into the Wilson/Nighthawk category, does the reliability of these 1911's match the 45 caliber glock? You input would be greatly appreciated by more than just me I suspect.

Haltiat | 03-05-2010 07:26 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Glock for sure but does it have to be a .45? 9x19 works just as well and you get so many more rounds... more rounds in the mag, more rounds for your dollar... more rounds per pound.

Walter Mitty | 03-05-2010 07:45 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks I am not anti Glock. I like them. I am not a rabid 1911 fan but that is what I shoot. Until phasers or laser pistols come out, the 1911 will never be relegated to the dustbin of history. They point great. The recoil is gentler than the sharp jerk of the Glock. All Steel. Of all the pistols with exposed hammers and manual thumb safeties it has the greatest ergonomics of any such pistol that has ever been designed. All the controls are in the right place. The .45ACP is one of the finest cartridges ever developed. With a good balance between stopping power and controllable recoil. Just like the Browning .50, which my deceased father used in WWII, is still in use today ,the 1911 will still be in use long after we are dead. The Glock may go through another revamp into Gen. 5 They may do something more to inhibit frame flex. But the basic 1911 design has not been changed in 99 years. It is work of art from the hands of a genius. Just my .02.

SWRichmond | 03-05-2010 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by wallew (Post 2212237) No, they are selling people WHAT WILL MAKE THEM MONEY. Just like every OTHER business out there.
That is absolutely the silliest thing I've ever seen. Retailers in the discretionary spending business sell what people want. If they couldn't price them to make money, they wouldn't sell them. And oh, by the way, here's something really interesting: http://ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39776 Finally, and here is where it gets interesting, I took a look at the ratio of Market Share % to the For Sale %. Code: Select all Mfg Market For Ratio Share Sale% Beretta 7.58% 4.23% 0.56 Cobra 3.73% 0.00% 0.00 Colt 2.07% 2.82% 1.36 Glock 6.30% 14.08% 2.23 Kahr 2.55% 5.63% 2.21 Kel-Tec 10.51% 4.23% 0.40 Kimber 5.60% 5.63% 1.01 Ruger 21.41% 1.41% 0.07 Code: Select all S&W 27.16% 14.08% 0.52 Sig Sauer 11.06% 21.13% 1.91 Springfield Armory 0.97% 18.31% 18.83 Taurus 1.06% 8.45% 7.96 The author of this post compares the market share percent to the aftermarket share percent and produces a ratio of market share to secondary market share; by doing, he finds that, for example, Sigs make up 11.06% of the retail market, but account for 21.13% of the aftermarket. This means people are not that anxious to keep their Sigs. Uh oh, look at Glock. Lollercoaster. Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 2212237) And yeah, there are still SOME OLD GUYS (such as myself) that are 1911 buffs. But the days of the 1911 ARE slowly disappearing.
Looks to me like its glocks that are slowly disappearing: http://gunholsters.com/blog/tag/glocks/ AccurateShooter.com mentions that grip on Glock handguns has been a point of contention for some time. Glocks have been manufactured by Glock GmbH in Austria since 1963. The company’s is known for its strike-fired polymer-framed pistols. “Glock has been losing market share as police departments nationwide have traded in their Glocks in favor of the more ergonomic Smith M&Ps,” said the editor at AccurateShooter. When the fourth-gen G22 RTF2 Glock was first released this year, Steve at The Firearms Blog wrote: “I think 3rd gen glocks will be considered the ‘classic’ and having an older one will be ‘cool.’” Will the newly redesigned Glock make it into the ‘cool’ category? At least, they're still "cool", though, and I guess that's important. Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 2212237) And there are shoots that are GLOCK ONLY matches. I don't think I've EVER SEEN a 1911 ONLY match. Not to say that many a match has been run with ONLY 1911's being used.
Glock-only matches were marketing ploys for Glock, and I really can't believe you don't know that. You had to have a cool glock to shoot them, and anyone who couldn't shoot them wasn't cool. I walked into one of these quite some time ago, as an after match to one of the events I was shooting. I laughed at the glock rep when he told me what it was. Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 2212237) That being said, the 1911 will be relagated to the dustbin of history within the next generation (20 yrs). NOT THE ROUND, but JMB's 1911 design. Good for it's time. It's days are slowly waning.
Tel it to Kimber, S&W, Wilson Combat, Les Baer, Springfield Armory, Ed Brown... Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 2212237) And THAT my friend is from someone who not only KNOWS 1911 (in my sleep mind you) but has owned LOADS of them over the years. I recently gave them all up for something a little more modern in design and functionality. I spoke with a longtime friend of mine who is an armorer for the Special Forces (he took a job I turned down) and the told me that ALL his guys carry Glocks. That was good enough for me. If the guys who put their life on the line on a daily basis pick Glock? I ain't arguing with their choices. Feel free to carry what ever you feel the most comfortable with. But KINDLY allow every one else the same freedom of choice. And KINDLY stop infereing that only YOUR choice is a good one.
So a guy you know told you that guys he knows all use glocks, and that was good enough for you? Cool!

mk3hunter | 03-05-2010 08:00 PM
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Here's the link for the 'Tortured Glock 21'... http://www.theprepared.com/index.php...iew&id=90&Item
oh good somebody posted this website....goodone love my G21!!(3rd Gen)......to bad it fell off the boat

branshew | 03-05-2010 08:50 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Quote:
Originally Posted by meatman (Post 2212531) Huge Glock 20 fan Was at the range today and all the staff was holding and looking at their 1st generation 4 glock they got in it was a 17. long story short 10 min. later. they had no more Generation 4 glocks left in stock. Because I left with it plus a couple 33 rd mags http://meatman.smugmug.com/Other/gun...2_ZADaX-XL.jpg
I am toying with the idea of a new 9mm semi-auto. I've never been able to comfortably grip the Glock due to the size of the grip (too deep front to back). Because of this, I was poised to get an M&P or XD, but that was before the Gen4s were available. If you put the smallest backstrap on, is the grip smaller than a Gen3? If so, I may have to wait for the Gen4 G19 to get here.

SWRichmond | 03-06-2010 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 2211988) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj5Kcs4dzro
gotta love the doughboys in their tac vests. If I saw that coming at me I'd laugh so hard I couldn't see to shoot back. An interesting burial; why was there no dirt at all in the magazine well?

wallew | 03-06-2010 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by shortstack (Post 2212712) OK, you know your stuff about the 1911, so do quite a few guys here. If a gun shop offered you any free weapon you wanted, and you knew you would be walking outside the shop into the wild west post SHTF, would you take a 45 caliber Glock or a Wilson Combat (or Nighthawk) 45? And lets say you only cared about reliability here, not capacity What I am trying to ask here is this. When you get into the Wilson/Nighthawk category, does the reliability of these 1911's match the 45 caliber glock? You input would be greatly appreciated by more than just me I suspect.
Ok, I actually JUST FACED such a decision. I've done all my homework. I wanted a multi-caliber platform. I LIKE shooting .45 acp AND 10mm as well. Having said that, I dropped them from my list. For myriad of reasons, cost of ammo being but one. But not until I seriously considered a NIB sequentially numbered pair of Colt Combat Commanders Series 80 in stainless. They were SWEET. And the guy wanted $825 each. Sounds high. Until you realize that COLT wants $850 from the factory for their Combat Commander .45 acp and you can't get a squentially numbered pairs on a bet. So that totaled out to $1650 for the pair from a gun shop in Georgia somewhere. I talked to a buddy of mine who orders from one of the larger wholesalers of Glock and he said he could get them to me for $500. During the process, we went through my 'sequentially numbered' process that adds $20 per handgun. No problem. Then he calls and say he's got three that were sequentially numbered, did I want them. HELL YAH. So, for $1560, I got three Gen 3 RTF Glock 22 in .40 S&W. Then I caught a CDNN Investments mag sale and picked up a bundle of Glock factory mags for $18 each (buy 5 get 1 free for $20 each) in both .40 and .9mm so I can do three calibers as of now. I could have gone with either the 10mm or .45 acp Glocks, but I didn't like the over all feel the way I took to the Glock 22 RTF. It's all subjective. I've shot Glocks before. I've even owned them IN .45 acp. I just never took to it the way I have to the .40 and I can't say why. Give me 180 grains of speer gold dot flying about 1200+ fps, I'm a pretty happy camper. And I did this ALL for about the same money I would have spent on a pair (OK A REALLY NICE PAIR) of Colt Combat Commanders. It was only until I had a LONG talk to a buddy of mine that I changed my mind. Having said all that, I also need to explain that I no longer 'collect' firearms. I USED TO. If I still did, I would definitely have a brace of 1911 style handguns hanging in the safe. But they would not be many names in there. Colt. MAYBE a Norinco. The rest would be built by me TO MY OWN SPECS (kinda loosey goosey like mil spec started out as). But I don't do that any more. So, after selling my CZ52's for three times what I had in them, I eventually chose three Glock 22 RTF Gen 4 pistols in .40 S&W. I've shot all three of them and used all of the mags. Next purchase will be Glock 17 barrels and Glock 31 barrels. That will complete that set. Except I might add the AA .22 conversion kit. I haven't decided on that one yet. For $300... I've started to digress. I'll step off my soapbox and will gladly answer any questions.

45 ACP | 03-06-2010 02:47 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Here is a great video to see how well Glocks can shoot, both short and long range. Watch all his videos as he practically shoots every Glock. You Tube
You Tube

Dawg | 03-06-2010 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 45 ACP (Post 2213855) Here is a great video to see how well Glocks can shoot, both short and long range. Watch all his videos as he practically shoots every Glock. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri5AyXzxb4o
Thats not really a good fair representation of Glocks. Just Kidding! I have seen his videos for a few years, and that guy can shoot anything. I swear, he can probably hit with a North American Arms derringer consistantly at 50 yards. :ok:

45 ACP | 03-06-2010 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dawg (Post 2214008) Thats not really a good fair representation of Glocks. Just Kidding! I have seen his videos for a few years, and that guy can shoot anything. I swear, he can probably hit with a North American Arms derringer consistantly at 50 yards. :ok:
Yeah, he's amazing. But it goes to show that the gun is more accurate than probably most of its shooters. The Glock is my SHTF gun...I mean if I had a gun...and if the S is actually going to HTF.

Patriotme | 03-07-2010 01:23 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks The Springfield XDM has a better grip. Compare the grips on both before buying a Glock.

Nanook | 03-07-2010 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by coopersmith (Post 2210211) http://www.xdpistols.com/
I love XDs, but the very first line on that site is in error. The Springfield Arsenal, founded by order of George Washington, has nothing to do with Springfield Armory of Geneseo IL the producer of XDs and M1As. Springfield Arsenal, the government entity, has been closed down for years and years. I do like my XDs, though. I've owned a Glock in the past, and it just didn't fit my hand. I was also not fond of the "no lead bullets" thing in factory barrels. But, if they fit your hand, by all means go for it. They are very reliable. To me, the XD just feels better. YMMV

wallew | 03-07-2010 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SWRichmond (Post 2212802) That is absolutely the silliest thing I've ever seen. Retailers in the discretionary spending business sell what people want. If they couldn't price them to make money, they wouldn't sell them. Looks to me like its glocks that are slowly disappearing: Glock-only matches were marketing ploys for Glock, and I really can't believe you don't know that. You had to have a cool glock to shoot them, and anyone who couldn't shoot them wasn't cool. I walked into one of these quite some time ago, as an after match to one of the events I was shooting. I laughed at the glock rep when he told me what it was. So a guy you know told you that guys he knows all use glocks, and that was good enough for you? Cool!
As you apparently don't keep up, let's address these one at a time. The 'mark up' in the gun industry on average is about two percent IF YOU ARE LUCKY. So yeah, gun shops sell what will make THEM the most money their customers will purchase. You apparently don't understand the gun industry and think it's like every other industry. Glock sales are not disappearing. As a matter of fact, they LEAD LEO SALES in the USA. Sorry, those are simple facts. And I'm glad to see even YOU ADMIT that Glock sponsors shoots all the time. That you can't actually shoot at them is your problem, no one elses. And 'the guy' I'm talking about is 'the guy' I shared a bench with at gunsmithing school for a little less than two years. We both earned the same degree. He TOOK the job I passed on. He has spent the past ten years in the military. AMU armorer. Special Forces armorer (3rd & 5th) and has spent a year in Afghanistan, a year in Iraq and then three and a half year in Stuttgart while he and his boys 'disappeared' for weeks/months on end. He's 'over there' right now. SO YEAH. MY GUY, THE SPECIAL FORCES ARMORER FOR MORE THAN FIVE YEARS SAY HIS GUYS, THAT'S "SPECIAL FORCES OPERATORS", CHOOSE GLOCK. Kindly try and keep up. I'm REALLY TIRED of having to repeat this particular part of my experience and knowledge. When a person you have known for twelve to thirteen years, the guy who WALKS THE WALK and rarely talks about his job, WHEN HE TALKS? I LISTEN. Because what he tells me has been forged in the heat of battle. He's also the reason I've gone with AK pistols and AMD 65 AK's. Both he's carried 'in the sand' and they don't fail. Neither do the 'AK of handguns'. The AK of hand guns IS GLOCK.

mk3hunter | 03-08-2010 12:46 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Thanks 45 ACP for thye video! Hickok45 is one cool american!!!

wallew | 03-08-2010 01:20 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks I agree about trying out the grips on ALL the handguns you have an interest in. But then try the grips on handguns you DO NOT have an interest in. That's how I came upon the Glock 22 being such a good fit. If it DOES NOT FIT YOU, DO NOT BUY IT. But if you have not tried the new Gen 3 Glocks or the newer Gen 4 Glocks, stop by your local gun store. Fondle them. ALL OF THEM. I was surprised by the G22. And I shoot it quite well. Sometimes you just find one that fits. FOR ME, that's the Glock 22 RTF Gen 3. YOUR MILEAGE WILL VARY.

Patriotme | 03-08-2010 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by renegade_01 (Post 2210639) Yah....watch the Nutnfancy Glock VS. XD shootout on youtube and you may want to retract that statement. XD had several failure, Glock kept pumping out strong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKEHX9cQH-M
He has Glocks jam in other videos. All semi autos jam at some time or another. It was bad luck to have the XDM jam during this test. Watch some of his other vids and you'll see the occasional Glock jam. The same can be said for his accuracy tests. One pistol will rule one day and in the next video the other gun will absolutely rule at the range.

SWRichmond | 03-08-2010 05:35 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks wallew, All you offer are unsubstantiated statements. As such, they are nothing more than opinions, and are of limited value. Your obvious anger doesn't really add anything, either. Typing in all caps certainly doesn't make your point any more valid. Opinions are not the same things as facts. I am not privy to your conversations with your associate, and you are not privy to his conversations with "his guys". Hearsay. Because of these and other obvious glaring problems with your statements, I choose not to believe them. Example: "And I'm glad to see even YOU ADMIT that Glock sponsors shoots all the time. That you can't actually shoot at them is your problem, no one elses." Earlier in this thread you implied that glock-only matches were some kind of proof that glocks were awesome: "And there are shoots that are GLOCK ONLY matches. I don't think I've EVER SEEN a 1911 ONLY match. Not to say that many a match has been run with ONLY 1911's being used." I responded by saying that glock-only matches were really just a marketing tool. Do you not understand the difference between a market tool and some kind of proof of awesomeness? As far as I know, only glock does them. No one else has to, as far as I know. Do you get it now?

JJ_ | 03-08-2010 08:18 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks Another gun thread turned.. You Tube
You Tube
:rofl:

TechGuy | 03-08-2010 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JJ_ (Post 2217179) Another gun thread turned.. :rofl:
I knew that was coming...... Red.. No Blue Taste Great.. Less Filling Ford or Chevy Glocks rule or Glocks suck.

Dawg | 03-08-2010 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JJ_ (Post 2217179) Another gun thread turned.. :rofl:
Its ok though. This is, after all, GIM!

johndoh | 03-09-2010 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by JJ_ (Post 2217179) Another gun thread turned.. :rofl:
why should this thread be any different? :Surrender: BTW JJ_, did your boss ever get a smith to look at his gun's FTF problem?

SilverCity | 03-09-2010 12:40 AM
Re: School Me On Glocks yawnnn.....

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Carbon | 03-13-2010 05:06 PM
Re: School Me On Glocks This thread should be in 'Faith and Religion'. "Everyman speaks to God in his own language - there is no language God does not understand." Same goes for guns. As long as it works to the expectations of the shooter/owner - what perp is gonna really care what brand or model it is when he's staring down the barrel?

Gaillo | 03-13-2010 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Carbon (Post 2225002) This thread should be in 'Faith and Religion'. "Everyman speaks to God in his own language - there is no language God does not understand." Same goes for guns. As long as it works to the expectations of the shooter/owner - what perp is gonna really care what brand or model it is when he's staring down the barrel?
Yes... but if it wasn't for politics, religion, sex, and caliber debates - there'd be nothing to talk about on the internet! :biggrin:

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