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wallew | 01-04-2010 12:49 PM
How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? I am SO SICK AND TIRED of the 'if you could only have ONE firearm' threads. I mean, really. I can't think of ANYTIME that I don't have a MINIMUM of two to four firearms at hand, loaded, ready to rock and roll. SO, after reading an article posted here on GIM, you decide the balloon is ABOUT to go up. So you pack all your stuff in your BOV and you are on the road to your BOL. So, not trying to find out exactly how many and what type of firearms you have. But when you bug out, how many firearms will you take with you, including what you have at your BOL? Can you equip a basketball team (squad)? How about a baseball team (platoon)? How about football team (company)? So, how about it? Do you have enough magazines for each weapon? How about enough ammo? How about spare parts? Are your weapons similar - such as all battle rifles are AK's or all semi-auto pistols Glocks, etc for Again, I'm NOT looking for specifics. This is the anti-one firearm only thread. IF YOU ONLY HAVE ONE FIREARM, you won't have much input.

<SLV> | 01-04-2010 01:01 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Not planning on bugging out. However, we were going to have a bunch of kids in the house over Christmas while I was gone, so I unloaded the firearms I keep at ready in my bedroom: - SKS Scout paratrooper w/20 round tapco mag against the wall by my bed - Calico M950 Liberty 9mm pistol w/50 round drum on the bookshelf by the bed - NAA .22 LR revolver in the sock drawer I was surprised to see that I had three. I like the combination: 7.62x39, 9mm, and .22LR. All practical in their own regard. (Sorry about the details -- I know they were unwanted.)

Juristic Person | 01-04-2010 01:04 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? I'm more interested in under what circumstances you would "bug out"... But to answer your question, I've got a battle rifle, a hunting rifle, a handgun and a shotgun. Don't need any more than that. Each gun serves a specific purpose. .

Floyd | 01-04-2010 01:04 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Wallew I 2nd your point. I always have two on me plus a long gun in my vehicle. If B.O. time I would have 4. the two I always have and then both flavors of long guns in my vehicle.

<SLV> | 01-04-2010 01:06 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? I still think a "quiet" gun (suppressed .22 LR) could be invaluable.

Heimdhal | 01-04-2010 01:10 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Im with JP on this one....under which conidtions would one bug out. As has been hashed here many times, bugging out isnt always the best option, at least not initialy. If the zombies come, you better damn well believe if I have to bug out im taking ALL my guns with me and those I cant carry get handed to the wife and friends/family that may be around. If its cause some one nuked Miami or something (south of me by a few hours) Id be bugging out for sure depending on where that radiation was going, and again, all the guns would be with me. In fact, I cant invision a scenario where I wouldnt take a good majority of my guns, cause even if I cant use each one, some one in the family/group can. THe plan for the near term is to bug in, since I really dont have a place to bug out to and wadnering around on foot till you find suitable land is downright fool-hardy.

Light | 01-04-2010 01:19 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? I'll take all my guns and drive around aimlessly until the cops stop me. It's my best plan so far. just kidding... in my real plan I don't get caught.

Professur | 01-04-2010 01:28 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? The bulk of my weaponry is already on sight at my bug out locale. I'll take nothing from A to B that's not on my person on a daily basis anyhow.

Floyd | 01-04-2010 01:29 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Heim you make a good point situations vary. I have scattered caches so that all my eggs are not in one basket. I don't plan on sitting still in a head on fight. Hit and run will be my objective to do this I don't want to be packing my gun safe contents. Mobility and firepower must be balanced.

wallew | 01-04-2010 01:52 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Professur, I KNOW where you live geographically. Why in the hell would you bug out from the paradise that you live? Unless to just 'get further away' type of thing? Are you Canucks STILL ALLOWED to own firearms? I keep seeing little hints that this 'right' is going to be taken away. FROM ALL OF US soon enough. OH, and for all those who want to know what would be a reason to bug out. How about the following: As we sit here and read and post things back and forth, someone posts that yes indeed, five US cities were just nuked within five minutes of each other (NYC, MIAMI, HOUSTON, LA, SEATTLE - all port cities) and the vice-president is about to declare martial law because the president is currently MIA in NYC blast zone. They were all suitcase nukes of less than ten megatons each. Less than 100,000 people die in the intial blasts (approx 20k per location). A couple of million others will probably die due to exposure, maybe more. WOULD THAT CAUSE YOU TO BUG OUT? It would me. If that won't get you to bug out, uprooting everything, what WOULD get you to bug out? 'Asian Hordes' coming in across the STEPPES OF RUSSIAN PLAINS? DURING THE WINTER SO THEY CAN JUST RIDE ACROSS THE ALASKAN PENISULA UNDETECTED? Who looks for divisions of tanks on the frozen ocean? It would be a daring ploy, but that TOO would be a bug out situation. ====================== Prof, COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC: The poster is with Greg (84MonteSS) and will then go to Mike (Racerman), then on to Tim (Ragin64) who will ship it back to GE and he and Red Chevy (Coy) will finish the signature parts and then present it to Stacey. GE PROMISES TO GET IT ALL ON VIDEO, so we can get the effect. Seems like a LONG road since that picture was taken two years ago. Thought you would want to know. j

goldwish | 01-04-2010 01:58 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? three cheers for this thread :23_28_100s: one gun, I don't think so and neither do the neighbors. wallew, if this locale got nuked then most certainly TSHTF for the USA if not the world. as for me I'd be vaporized and there is no where to go anyways. carpe diem.

Godot | 01-04-2010 02:06 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 2107969) Professur, As we sit here and read and post things back and forth, someone posts that yes indeed, five US cities were just nuked within five minutes of each other (NYC, MIAMI, HOUSTON, LA, SEATTLE - all port cities) and the vice-president is about to declare martial law because the president is currently MIA in NYC blast zone. They were all suitcase nukes of less than ten megatons each. Less than 100,000 people die in the intial blasts (approx 20k per location). A couple of million others will probably die due to exposure, maybe more. WOULD THAT CAUSE YOU TO BUG OUT? It would me. If that won't get you to bug out, uprooting everything, what WOULD get you to bug out? 'Asian Hordes' coming in across the STEPPES OF RUSSIAN PLAINS? DURING THE WINTER SO THEY CAN JUST RIDE ACROSS THE ALASKAN PENISULA UNDETECTED? Who looks for divisions of tanks on the frozen ocean? It would be a daring ploy, but that TOO would be a bug out situation. j
In either scenario I don't think I'll be allowed to get on the train, plane or bus with multiple firearms during full scale martial law. Just a guess .... I could be wrong.

mightymanx | 01-04-2010 02:16 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? I am still only going to just carry my baby. I figure it will do every thing I need. http://www.brassfetcher.com/images/tacticoolAR15.jpg :RockOn:

The Argent Dragon | 01-04-2010 02:16 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? ALL of them and ALL the ammo I can carry. http://englerpaintballguns.com/catalog/images/mg42.jpg Disclaimer : Includes only firearms that didn't sink with my boat (like the one pictured above) and my PM's.

wallew | 01-04-2010 02:21 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? TAD, Now THAT'S what I'm talking about. BTW, you never did give us a range report on the PPSh41 or was it the PPS43? Or did I just miss the report?

Quixote2 | 01-04-2010 02:26 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Will stay where I am at, see no reason to drive to another location that is probably less secure. If forced out on foot, will carry one pistol/revolver and one long gun. The selection at the time will probably be based on total weight to carry of two guns and ammunition (and perception of primary use 2 vs 4 leg vermin).

Juristic Person | 01-04-2010 02:27 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 2107969) Professur, I KNOW where you live geographically. Why in the hell would you bug out from the paradise that you live? Unless to just 'get further away' type of thing? Are you Canucks STILL ALLOWED to own firearms? I keep seeing little hints that this 'right' is going to be taken away. FROM ALL OF US soon enough. OH, and for all those who want to know what would be a reason to bug out. How about the following: As we sit here and read and post things back and forth, someone posts that yes indeed, five US cities were just nuked within five minutes of each other (NYC, MIAMI, HOUSTON, LA, SEATTLE - all port cities) and the vice-president is about to declare martial law because the president is currently MIA in NYC blast zone. They were all suitcase nukes of less than ten megatons each. Less than 100,000 people die in the intial blasts (approx 20k per location). A couple of million others will probably die due to exposure, maybe more. WOULD THAT CAUSE YOU TO BUG OUT? It would me. If that won't get you to bug out, uprooting everything, what WOULD get you to bug out? 'Asian Hordes' coming in across the STEPPES OF RUSSIAN PLAINS? DURING THE WINTER SO THEY CAN JUST RIDE ACROSS THE ALASKAN PENISULA UNDETECTED? Who looks for divisions of tanks on the frozen ocean? It would be a daring ploy, but that TOO would be a bug out situation. ====================== Prof, COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC: The poster is with Greg (84MonteSS) and will then go to Mike (Racerman), then on to Tim (Ragin64) who will ship it back to GE and he and Red Chevy (Coy) will finish the signature parts and then present it to Stacey. GE PROMISES TO GET IT ALL ON VIDEO, so we can get the effect. Seems like a LONG road since that picture was taken two years ago. Thought you would want to know. j
I think the problem is that most people really don't have a "bug-out" location and feel safer just bunkering down in their homes. In order to have a bug out loacal, you either have to be extremely prepared (with supplies) or know how to survive for and undetermined amount of time, living off the land. Most people would simply die in that situation - so they won't put themselves in it. Unless you have a well-stocked cabin, miles away from the dangerous hordes, and you will have the ability to get there amidst all the chaos, you need to be the exception to the rule. Most people aren't fitting of either circumstance. Furthermore, if you have a family that depends on you, forget about it...makes the situation that much more difficult.

wallew | 01-04-2010 02:36 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by Juristic Person (Post 2108040) I think the problem is that most people really don't have a "bug-out" location and feel safer just bunkering down in their homes. In order to have a bug out loacal, you either have to be extremely prepared (with supplies) or know how to survive for and undetermined amount of time, living off the land. Most people would simply die in that situation - so they won't put themselves in it. Unless you have a well-stocked cabin, miles away from the dangerous hordes, and you will have the ability to get there amidst all the chaos, you need to be the exception to the rule. Most people aren't fitting of either circumstance. Furthermore, if you have a family that depends on you, forget about it...makes the situation that much more difficult.
See, I do understand this mentality. BUT IT'S WRONG. Just go ask all the folks who DIDN'T leave when Katrina was five days or five hours from destroying large portions of the Gulf Coast. There is NO REASON NOT TO BUG OUT. Unless you just can't. Family IS the best example. But it seems to me, that over the centuries, the folks with the 'fight or flight' mentality have survived (mainly) while those who just sit it out are at the mercy of whatever or whomever decides their fate for them. I WILL NOT BE ONE OF THE FOLKS WHO DID NOT LEAVE. EVER. I've been through so many natural disasters, including three hurricanes, that if I SEE trouble coming, I almost always turn and go the other way. WHY ASK FOR TROUBLE. Life is difficult enough WITHOUT seeking more problems. That's why this thread was posted in the first place. I love reading FerFal. But why he continues to stay in Argentina as Sheet actually Hits The Fan, is a puzzle. Yes, I know why. But still, so MANY people have been one hour too late, rather than one day too early. I would prefer to be early. Even by several weeks or months. Than one day too late. That's why I prefer to bug out. And if you've read my posts before, you know I have three locations to choose from. Though it appears my group will be narrowing those choices down shortly. We will see. Time is short. Get ready. BE PREPARED.

Mongrel | 01-04-2010 03:14 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by mightymanx (Post 2108019) I am still only going to just carry my baby. I figure it will do every thing I need. http://www.brassfetcher.com/images/tacticoolAR15.jpg :RockOn:
Is there a gun in there? :36_1_32v:

Ragnarok | 01-04-2010 03:24 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? No... that's just the front sight assembly.:biggrin: R.

Professur | 01-04-2010 03:36 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Wallew, my main abode is in suburbia, by reason of my career choices. My bug out is 2 hours west into the mountains. Fresh water, shelter, and far enough off the beaten track to leave the zombie hordes behind to feed on each other. As for weaponry, .... well, you're a registered gunsmith .... how long would it take you to build a Sterling? I'd have to say that I'd go to ground there, tho. It would take something pretty substantial to push me out. Worse, if I had to leave there, my second choice would involve retracing my steps eastwards, heading back through the thick of whatever nightmare drove me to bug out in the first place. Going further west wouldn't improve my situation any, as I'd just be getting closer to Ottawa and Toronto. Hell, i don't even want to go there now.

SilverCity | 01-04-2010 03:41 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Not planning on bugging out. :wavey: However, if we have to... :fan: pistol: G19 for wife, G21 for me, G22 for son :ok: Rifle: .223(AR) for wife, .308(Saiga) for me, SKS for son :ok: Shotgun:one 870 with screw-in chokes :ok: Additional: 22 pistol or rifle. :ok:

leadfoot | 01-04-2010 03:55 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Depending on weight restrictions, conditions, etc as a middle of the road plan I'd be taking a long gun (.308), a sidearm & pocket gun (both .40) and perhaps a foldable (.223 or .22) hidden in a pack. If possible, I'd throw a shottie, a 10/22 and another .308 in the trunk. The extra versatility would be important. But this would also greatly complicate ammo & mags requirements and other stuff will be just as important. You also don't know what will be happening at checkpoints. Of course, you avoid them if possible but... They may/may care about a few guns (here is possible application for PM's) but they will definately have issues if you look like a resupply vehicle for the local militia.

Fin-Angler | 01-04-2010 04:10 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 2107878) I am SO SICK AND TIRED of the 'if you could only have ONE firearm' threads. I mean, really. I can't think of ANYTIME that I don't have a MINIMUM of two to four firearms at hand, loaded, ready to rock and roll. SO, after reading an article posted here on GIM, you decide the balloon is ABOUT to go up. So you pack all your stuff in your BOV and you are on the road to your BOL. So, not trying to find out exactly how many and what type of firearms you have. But when you bug out, how many firearms will you take with you, including what you have at your BOL? Can you equip a basketball team (squad)? How about a baseball team (platoon)? How about football team (company)? So, how about it? Do you have enough magazines for each weapon? How about enough ammo? How about spare parts? Are your weapons similar - such as all battle rifles are AK's or all semi-auto pistols Glocks, etc for Again, I'm NOT looking for specifics. This is the anti-one firearm only thread. IF YOU ONLY HAVE ONE FIREARM, you won't have much input.
I realize this is the anti-one(1) SHTF firearm thread... I belive each person should have one rifle,one shotgun & one quality sidearm, as a minimum requirement. Each person should carry the same caliber firearms/ammo (minimum),preferably the same make & model guns. Firearm accesories & ammo should be proportionate to the size of your unit. The BOV should have a dedicated 12ga. shotgun & pistol. The BOL should have several dedicated 12ga. shotguns sorry if that was way to specific

Juristic Person | 01-04-2010 04:11 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 2108056) See, I do understand this mentality. BUT IT'S WRONG. Just go ask all the folks who DIDN'T leave when Katrina was five days or five hours from destroying large portions of the Gulf Coast. There is NO REASON NOT TO BUG OUT. Unless you just can't. Family IS the best example. But it seems to me, that over the centuries, the folks with the 'fight or flight' mentality have survived (mainly) while those who just sit it out are at the mercy of whatever or whomever decides their fate for them. I WILL NOT BE ONE OF THE FOLKS WHO DID NOT LEAVE. EVER. I've been through so many natural disasters, including three hurricanes, that if I SEE trouble coming, I almost always turn and go the other way. WHY ASK FOR TROUBLE. Life is difficult enough WITHOUT seeking more problems. That's why this thread was posted in the first place. I love reading FerFal. But why he continues to stay in Argentina as Sheet actually Hits The Fan, is a puzzle. Yes, I know why. But still, so MANY people have been one hour too late, rather than one day too early. I would prefer to be early. Even by several weeks or months. Than one day too late. That's why I prefer to bug out. And if you've read my posts before, you know I have three locations to choose from. Though it appears my group will be narrowing those choices down shortly. We will see. Time is short. Get ready. BE PREPARED.
A hurricane in your city vs. a nuke in a distant city are two completely different scenarios. I don't live in a hurricane prone area but if I did live in a place like Florida or N.O and was facing the eye of a category 5 hurricane, you can bet your ass I would leave. I remember Katrina and watching those morons on TV partying in the streets just hours before Katrina hit. But I see that as a different type of situation than a briefcase nuke going off in a city hundreds of miles away. And again - most poeple do not have anyplace to go. That's the problem. If they can bunker down in there home, away from the immediate danger, I think for most people that IS the safest bet. For those who do leave, in the case of a nuke, they better have a bug location that is out of the vicinity of the fallout area. Most don't. Those who are out of that vicinity likely won't have the immediate means or time to get there early enough. It's a tough situation and hopefully you won't ever have to face it. Wallew, do you really think a total SHTF scenario is just around the corner? Any other possible scenarios beside the nuclear one? Just curious what you you think may happen... .

leadfoot | 01-04-2010 04:15 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 2108184) Not planning on bugging out. :wavey: However, if we have to... :fan: pistol: G19 for wife, G21 for me, G22 for son :ok: Rifle: .223(AR) for wife, .308(Saiga) for me, SKS for son :ok: Shotgun:one 870 with screw-in chokes :ok: Additional: 22 pistol or rifle. :ok:
I struggle too with the variety vs. consolidation issue as I want the flexibility but realize the need for depth as well. I'm not good w/ Glock #'s but is that 3 different calibers 9, 40, 45? You also have 3 different rifle calibers. There is no "Honey, I'm out, throw me another mag" in this setup. Even if you want to stick w/ the .45/.308 for yourself, have you considered having your wife & son carry the same things?

Juristic Person | 01-04-2010 04:16 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 2108184) Not planning on bugging out. :wavey: However, if we have to... :fan: pistol: G19 for wife, G21 for me, G22 for son :ok: Rifle: .223(AR) for wife, .308(Saiga) for me, SKS for son :ok: Shotgun:one 870 with screw-in chokes :ok: Additional: 22 pistol or rifle. :ok:
God help you if you ever have to stand side by side with your wife and kid while they have to use those guns.... All this talk about arming yourselve and your families is one thing but reality will strike quick if the time ever comes. It's one thing to be out on your own, playing Rambo. It's another thing when you watch your only son take a bullet in the head. Hopefully you will never ever have to experience anything like that. Always remember that VIOLENCE should be kept as an absolute LAST RESORT. .

Professur | 01-04-2010 04:17 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by Juristic Person (Post 2108236) Wallew, do you really think a total SHTF scenario is just around the corner? Any other possible scenarios beside the nuclear one? Just curious what you you think may happen... .
I dunno about Wallew, but I'd expect a martial law crack down long before a nuke. Whatever justification/excuse they dream up ... there's too many pawns on the chessboard. They're working hard to force our hand.

Juristic Person | 01-04-2010 04:21 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by Professur (Post 2108246) I dunno about Wallew, but I'd expect a martial law crack down long before a nuke. Whatever justification/excuse they dream up ... there's too many pawns on the chessboard. They're working hard to force our hand.
I don't think they really have the manpower for such a crackdown. The inner cities might be easy to enforce curfews in but what about all of the rural towns out there and the western states that don't put up with such BS from the Fed? This country is still a long way off from any sort of control like that...unless my ideas on what Martial Law is are not in line with yours. .

Heimdhal | 01-04-2010 04:22 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? I live in a hurricane shooting gallery. We've been lucky since the 04 and 05 seasons, we havent had one, but Ive personaly been through over 5 hurricanes and untold tropical storms. The hurricanes I've been in have ranged the full gambit of the scale. I live in a modern concreate block building thats rated to stand a good amount of hurricane force, though nothing is perfect. I also live in one of the highest poitns in south florida (though its still less than 30 feet above sea level). The problem with katrina was the whole city was BELOW sea level. Its like living a bowl surrouned by soup. We stayed put during the 04 and 05 hurricanes and we made it out just fine other than some minro property damage and car damage. Now that I have kids, I would re think that. The other problem of being is florida is, well, being in florida. The whole state is a long, thin peninsula. Its takes a hella long time to get out of florida, even in a non-emergency. There are only a couple high ways out on each side of the state and a handfull that span the state. Needless to say, florida is not the easiest place to exit in an emergency, so bugging out would have to be done well before the emergency. If a nuke went off in miami (something you can anticipate months ahead of time) it would be a clust F*** getting out of this state, if it went off in say Jackson ville or Orlando, you can pretty much forget about getting out in the next few days. With hurricanes theres a little warning.

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Floyd | 01-04-2010 04:27 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Back on topic :s1: I Plan on finding a few perfectly good weapons and other do dads just laying around. We will all have to be resourceful to resupply and we can.

Juristic Person | 01-04-2010 04:28 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 2108256) I live in a hurricane shooting gallery. We've been lucky since the 04 and 05 seasons, we havent had one, but Ive personaly been through over 5 hurricanes and untold tropical storms. The hurricanes I've been in have ranged the full gambit of the scale. I live in a modern concreate block building thats rated to stand a good amount of hurricane force, though nothing is perfect. I also live in one of the highest poitns in south florida (though its still less than 30 feet above sea level). The problem with katrina was the whole city was BELOW sea level. Its like living a bowl surrouned by soup. We stayed put during the 04 and 05 hurricanes and we made it out just fine other than some minro property damage and car damage. Now that I have kids, I would re think that. The other problem of being is florida is, well, being in florida. The whole state is a long, thin peninsula. Its takes a hella long time to get out of florida, even in a non-emergency. There are only a couple high ways out on each side of the state and a handfull that span the state. Needless to say, florida is not the easiest place to exit in an emergency, so bugging out would have to be done well before the emergency. If a nuke went off in miami (something you can anticipate months ahead of time) it would be a clust F*** getting out of this state, if it went off in say Jackson ville or Orlando, you can pretty much forget about getting out in the next few days. With hurricanes theres a little warning.
Do you own a boat? That seems to me like it would be your best chance of escape...and a place to anchor down and bugout, if you felt you had to.

The Argent Dragon | 01-04-2010 04:42 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 2107878) SO, after reading an article posted here on GIM, you decide the balloon is ABOUT to go up. So you pack all your stuff in your BOV and you are on the road to your BOL......
Yep, I think many here on GIM need to either find or designate their BOV (bug-out-vehicle). Think OFF-ROAD for starters.......and enough cargo space for your firearms, ammo, and survival gear. :beer:

The Argent Dragon | 01-04-2010 04:53 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Oh, and let me add the old war adage of, "Carry a pistol at all times so you can fight your way back to your rifle." -Anonymous

Heimdhal | 01-04-2010 04:59 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by Juristic Person (Post 2108264) Do you own a boat? That seems to me like it would be your best chance of escape...and a place to anchor down and bugout, if you felt you had to.
I dont. My plan for that was to steal my brothers boat, since it was docked about 5 minutes from my house and about an hour from his :biggrin: but he sold it...now I guess I just gotta go pirate on some one.... On a serious note: It is somethign I have considered immensly for a total SHTF bug out. I grew up on boats and have been around them most of my life. It is a very viable option if the circumstances permit.

Godot | 01-04-2010 05:09 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Realistic view on this IMO - Natural disasters aside - If we look at the last two thousand years of history what consistently creates massive waves of refuges bugging out? During WW2 who bugged out of germany - both pre war and post war? During (insert any war or insurgency to ever occur here), who decided to hit the road? During those occasions what allowed them to travel when others could not? Not guns. Not cash. Not 4x4's. If you know the answer, you know why I found GIM. This is not to say having a safe haven you can drive or boat too is not a mandatory part of feeling secure in life... just saying what history seems to be telling me.

The Argent Dragon | 01-04-2010 05:31 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 2108310) I grew up on boats and have been around them most of my life. It is a very viable option if the circumstances permit.
Oh boy, here we go again...........make sure to calculate the buoyancy first, lots of 'Accidents' involving PM's. Just sayin'

Heimdhal | 01-04-2010 05:37 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 2108365) Oh boy, here we go again...........make sure to calculate the buoyancy first, lots of 'Accidents' involving PM's. Just sayin'
Oh, i already lost all my PMs and gun on my test run..but if i ever get anymore...well, lesson learned :cry1:

State of Jefferson | 01-04-2010 06:17 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 2107969) They were all suitcase nukes of less than ten megatons each.
Anything yielding over a few kilotons is not going to be a "suitcase nuke." As for "bugging out," I'm so sick of that term. If TSHTF, fleeing is not going to be a sane option. Everyone is going to stay right where they are, or they are going to die on the run. Why people are not "in position" already is something I cannot fathom. Since I won't be fleeing like a scared rat to anywhere, all of my weapons and ammunition will be at instant availability. No choice & sacrifice will be needed.

State of Jefferson | 01-04-2010 06:22 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 2108056) I would prefer to be early. Even by several weeks or months. Than one day too late.
Then follow your own advice, and move out of Denver. Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 2108056) Time is short. Get ready. BE PREPARED.
Why are you preaching preparedness while you have committed the EPIC FAIL of living in a juicy target and a certain kill-zone? Move to central Wyoming, and then come back to tell us about your expert opinions.

SilverCity | 01-04-2010 06:51 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by leadfoot (Post 2108242) I struggle too with the variety vs. consolidation issue as I want the flexibility but realize the need for depth as well. I'm not good w/ Glock #'s but is that 3 different calibers 9, 40, 45? You also have 3 different rifle calibers. There is no "Honey, I'm out, throw me another mag" in this setup. Even if you want to stick w/ the .45/.308 for yourself, have you considered having your wife & son carry the same things?
Thanks. Thought about this awhile, and if necessary we will consolidate: G19 9mm/.223 ARs/12ga/22 pistol and add a 308 bolt.

wallew | 01-04-2010 06:56 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by State of Jefferson (Post 2108461) Then follow your own advice, and move out of Denver. Why are you preaching preparedness while you have committed the EPIC FAIL of living in a juicy target and a certain kill-zone? Move to central Wyoming, and then come back to tell us about your expert opinions.
SOJ, We all have situations we have to deal with, as you know. SOME think Denver will become the NWO capital city and that it's already BEEN constructed UNDER DIA. Not sure if that's true or not. And it (marginally) beats living in Houston, San Francisco, Dallas/Ft Worth and several other much larger metroplexes my wife and I have lived in over the past 30 years. BUT, your points are valid. We have been working towards JUST THAT in the past year. Our house will go up for sale in March or April. We have just installed a new roof w/gutters in just the past sixty days. We have finished remodeling both bathrooms and the kitchen. We opened the front part of our home up to become a great room. Plus new double pane windows all the way around. It's taken a while. We've ALREADY got two families who are interested in our place. We have the least expensive house in a nice neighborhood. Which means we can sell our home for about $25k (about 10%) less than any other home in our neighborhood. We are less than a two minute walk down a bike path to both grade and middle schools. I have literally been winding up ALL SORTS of projects that have been on going for months. The wife and I just went through half our stuff in our basement and repacked, resorted or just threw stuff out in prepartion for moving. For the FIRST TIME in 20 years I actually got grass fertilizer down BEFORE it snowed!! BUT, I just can't move during the winter time. UNLESS I'M FORCED TO. I'm just that whimpy (anal?). If that happens, Wyoming, Kansas and Texas are ALL on the drawing boards. I'm in talks with my small group of people, several of which are getting ansy and want to move NOW. I do understand. But as has been said other places, 'he don't take a sheet without a plan', and I am that anal. So, until I'm ready, which should be in the next few months, I'm stuck. The wife is already on board. We just move slowly in all things. But once the decision has been made (it has), then it's strictly execution at that point. Do I THINK we could see a nuke attack? Let's just put it this way. MOSLEM EXTREMIST TERRORISTS HAVE 'UPPED THE ANTE' AND GONE BIGGER AFTER EACH ATTACK. We have been attacked seven years ago. Seven years prior to THAT, we were attacked (WTC bombing in parking basement). Seems like 2010 will be the year. You've got increased 'chatter' across countries. You've got FEMA saying you should have enough food and water to last several weeks. You've even got FED.GOV telling folks it's only a matter of time before an attacker gets successful. I went to the Lowry Air Museum this weekend. I saw a B1B bomber with a 12 megaton bomb (empty) that would go up into the bomb bay. It would have fit into a full sized van. It WAS bigger than a suit case. But I'd bet dollar to donuts I could fit all the guts into a LARGE ANVIL CASE (I happen to have one if anyone is interested, I'll make ya a really great deal). SOMETHING IS COMING. 2010 IS THE YEAR. Can I prove it? NO. Do I know when? I WISH. While I'm in the same boat as most, at least I'm standing NEXT TO the life rafts. And in OUR CASE it won't be women and children first. Trust me. Whenever this happens, whatever happens, it's gonna be bad, it's gonna be ugly and it will be a story that will be told to your kids and grandkids, assuming you (and I) survive. Because to be honest. When I DIE, the rest of the world dies with me. If you know what I mean. IE, what happens next is no longer my concern. We can all only do so much. Hell, we could be hit by a rogue asteroid or I could be struck by lightening or whatever...

gypsybiker45 | 01-04-2010 07:51 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? M2C , If it was a bug out on foot, id take just what Uncle Sam used to send me with, A battle rifle, a handgun and a battle pack of ammo,If i could use a vehicle, take most of what i have, destroy the rest.

gypsybiker45 | 01-04-2010 07:59 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by State of Jefferson (Post 2108452) Anything yielding over a few kilotons is not going to be a "suitcase nuke." As for "bugging out," I'm so sick of that term. If TSHTF, fleeing is not going to be a sane option. Everyone is going to stay right where they are, or they are going to die on the run. Why people are not "in position" already is something I cannot fathom. Since I won't be fleeing like a scared rat to anywhere, all of my weapons and ammunition will be at instant availability. No choice & sacrifice will be needed.
Im going to give you +100 on that one. Either BE in your BOL or have an evac plan to your BOL with a trigger event.Common sense,If you are a city dweller, and own a BOL cabin or retreat,set a trigger, like certain political circumstances,or laws,known approaching disasters, hurricanes,etc. BUT if your in the city and get hit with an unforseen event,like 9/11 or earthquake, have plans to defend yourself on site,IOW dont have just one plan!

State of Jefferson | 01-05-2010 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by wallew (Post 2108512) SOJ, We all have situations we have to deal with, as you know. (...) BUT, your points are valid. We have been working towards JUST THAT in the past year. Our house will go up for sale in March or April. (edit)
Fair enough. I wish you and yours the best, in getting out of Denver ASAP.

tekhen | 01-05-2010 05:19 AM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? I understand the OP but it begs the question... how many firearms can you shoot at a given moment? 'The right tool for the right job' et al but if/when the time comes, one can only properly fire at a given target with one firearm.

Professur | 01-05-2010 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by gypsybiker45 (Post 2108629) Im going to give you +100 on that one. Either BE in your BOL or have an evac plan to your BOL with a trigger event.Common sense,If you are a city dweller, and own a BOL cabin or retreat,set a trigger, like certain political circumstances,or laws,known approaching disasters, hurricanes,etc. BUT if your in the city and get hit with an unforseen event,like 9/11 or earthquake, have plans to defend yourself on site,IOW dont have just one plan!
I'll be honest here ... I'm not counting on the 11 0'clock news to tell me when to bolt. Take this as you will ... the last 4 generations of my family (following my mother's side) have had guardians. My daughter being the latest. Be it a gut feeling, a hand on the shoulder, instinct ... every time I've ignored it, I've regretted it. Too damn many times I've followed it, only to find out later than an overpass on my route collapsed, there was a 25 car pileup, a fire, a death .... even the densest stone eventually gets the message when you whack it enough times. And like was said above .... more than one plan.

Absintheur | 01-05-2010 03:23 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? My truck is parked under my first floor bedroom window...I plan on throwing every firearm I own into the back and as much of my ammo as possible. If I have ten minutes warning I can do this easily. If not then the the Bug contains a PPSh 41 broken down and a CZ 52, Remington 1100 is by the bedroom door and i normally am carrying 2 handguns. Also kept with the BUG are the bolts, cylinders, firing pins, etc that make the guns in the safe go boom...even if I have to leave the guns they will be useless to anyone who steals them. In addition duplicates of my AR, another shotgun, 10/22, and several other firearms are already prepositioned at the family rally point, if I had to run in my skivvies I would still be able to resupply when I got there.

The Argent Dragon | 01-05-2010 05:05 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Quote:
Originally Posted by Absintheur (Post 2109755) My truck is parked under my first floor bedroom window...I plan on throwing every firearm I own into the back and as much of my ammo as possible. If I have ten minutes warning I can do this easily. If not then the the Bug contains a PPSh 41 broken down and a CZ 52, Remington 1100 is by the bedroom door and i normally am carrying 2 handguns. Also kept with the BUG are the bolts, cylinders, firing pins, etc that make the guns in the safe go boom...even if I have to leave the guns they will be useless to anyone who steals them. In addition duplicates of my AR, another shotgun, 10/22, and several other firearms are already prepositioned at the family rally point, if I had to run in my skivvies I would still be able to resupply when I got there.
Now there's a man with a plan :emotions16:

General of Darkness | 01-05-2010 05:37 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? I don't have a one ton diesel for nothing, I'm taking EVERYTHING.

Nanook | 01-05-2010 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mightymanx (Post 2108019) I am still only going to just carry my baby. I figure it will do every thing I need. http://www.brassfetcher.com/images/tacticoolAR15.jpg :RockOn:
No bayonet? Poser. :biggrin:

woody | 01-05-2010 08:33 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? After reading this thread and survivalblog.com and other like-minded theories can anyone here honestly believe that at the end of your little "bugout" sojourn you end up all nice and comfy? Even if you actually own some little cabin someplace, by the time you finally get there the locals will have stripped it clean or squatters already moved in. You want to now BE already where you think you were going wtshtf. Little difference between a refugee and someone who is "bugging out" except maybe naive hope. :sleepy13:

____hoot____ | 01-05-2010 08:38 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Hopefully none; if I can get to my bugout baby buggy[ modified three 20" mountain bike wheeled runner's baby "stroller"]. Will carry about 200 pounds, can't say how much of that will be weapons and ammo.

<SLV> | 01-05-2010 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by woody (Post 2110264) After reading this thread and survivalblog.com and other like-minded theories can anyone here honestly believe that at the end of your little "bugout" sojourn you end up all nice and comfy? Even if you actually own some little cabin someplace, by the time you finally get there the locals will have stripped it clean or squatters already moved in. You want to now BE already where you think you were going wtshtf. Little difference between a refugee and someone who is "bugging out" except maybe naive hope. :sleepy13:
Can't wait until EVERYONE "bugs out" -- won't that be a site on the nations highways! Can't you see the conflicts between bugger-outers when they all arrive at the same place!

GRP | 01-05-2010 09:38 PM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Bug out? If I had to leave then everything would be going with me..... If things got bad why would I leave? I've got enough food, water and wood to take care of me for 3 months. I wouldn't leave.,,,,, I've got my safe haven here and would protect it until I die! Hmmmm,,,, Think about running if you really don't have to! GRP:36_1_28:

woody | 01-05-2010 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 2110426) Can't wait until EVERYONE "bugs out" -- won't that be a sight on the nations highways! Can't you see the conflicts between bugger-outers when they all arrive at the same place!
Attachment 85196 Will look just like outside New Orleans before Katrina when many ran out of gas even starting with a full tank. Anyone here think they will wave you through just because you have your bugout bag and wave a Glock? :smile:

mightymanx | 01-06-2010 12:28 AM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? :cry1: Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanook (Post 2110195) No bayonet? Poser. :biggrin:
Naa its on my pistol. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/w...01/pb1-0ss.jpg

Nanook | 01-06-2010 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mightymanx (Post 2110794) :cry1: Naa its on my pistol. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/w...01/pb1-0ss.jpg
NOW, you're talking! ARRR! :biggrin:

federalfarmer | 01-08-2010 10:56 AM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? Two 45's and a .22

<SLV> | 01-08-2010 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by woody (Post 2110540) Attachment 85196 Will look just like outside New Orleans before Katrina when many ran out of gas even starting with a full tank. Anyone here think they will wave you through just because you have your bugout bag and wave a Glock? :smile:
No, but with your Smart Car half-track you can just go over them... as long as you have some ramps for the low ground clearance in the front. http://www.angenent.biz/smart/images..._Halftrack.jpg

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Tn...Andy | 01-08-2010 11:35 AM
Re: How many firearms will you carry if you bugout? How many will I carry when I bug out ? None.....not bugging anywhere. Now, how many do I carry when I'm away from home and would need to "bug back" ? Depends on the distance. More than a local trip, and at a minimum, I have couple pistols and an AR with me. I can about guarantee ya I was the best armed participant of the 2006 winter meetup of GIM in St. Cloud, MN. ( I drove....including going right thru Chicago up and back ) :biggrin:

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