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Twisted Avatar | 12-10-2009 10:29 AM
Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW I have heard about this book for quite sometime I just never got around to getting it. Well I finally Picked it up yesterday and just skimming through the chapters I can tell you flat out ........ THIS IS THE GOOD STUFF. It is truly a self encompassing tool that leaves no stone unturned. Also the chapter and gun breakdown are EXCELLENT. What I really like is scenarios they cover and how to take advantage of them in the hostile gun environment we exist today and only to become more draconian tommarow. It forces you to think outside the box and has very sound reasoning. For example they explain: Why you should not consider getting a concealed carry permit. Not to trust recent "pro gun" Supreme Court Rulings. Learn what guns and gear will likely be outlawed next and in what order. What guns to own from the City Slicker to the Country Boy. How to spend within your budget wisely and efficently. Buying firearms and gear without creating a record trail back to you. Hope and work for the best while preparing for the worst. Much, much more This is an amazing tome (800 pages) that you will revist again and again. At the paltry cost of 22 dollars you can buy at the miminum two. Every GIMmer should have one in the prep closet as it that invaluable. For what its worth: I give it my highest recomendation :ok: Amazon Amazon T

negative1 | 12-10-2009 10:35 AM
Re: Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW It was a great read. It's about time to read it again. :s1:

Twisted Avatar | 12-10-2009 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by negative1 (Post 2068360) It was a great read. It's about time to read it again. :s1:
Make a excellent Christmas Gift T

S_Goldberg | 12-10-2009 10:41 AM
Re: Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW Not to flame, but I found him to be an idiot who can't write. (Who did the editing and were they drunk?) He rants about random things and the book contains a number of errors. He sets himself up as an expert and in reality has no idea what he is talking about. The man tried to make money off of the Y2K B.S. I have no respect for him.

Lt Dan | 12-10-2009 10:42 AM
Re: Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW First book on firearms a person should buy. Mine is dogeared and full of bookmarks, coffee stains and maybe even a bit of slobber here and there. Read it cover to cover.

negative1 | 12-10-2009 10:51 AM
Re: Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW Quote:
Originally Posted by S_Goldberg (Post 2068374) Not to flame, but I found him to be an idiot who can't write. (Who did the editing and were they drunk?) He rants about random things and the book contains a number of errors. He sets himself up as an expert and in reality has no idea what he is talking about.
Granted he may come to some conclusions that I may not. I see it like the old AK vs. AR debate. There may be some errors but this is is a massive book packed with information that should provide something for almost everyone. :s1:

Juristic Person | 12-10-2009 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by S_Goldberg (Post 2068374) Not to flame, but I found him to be an idiot who can't write. (Who did the editing and were they drunk?) He rants about random things and the book contains a number of errors. He sets himself up as an expert and in reality has no idea what he is talking about.
I don't mind the errors in spelling/grammar but are you saying that the content of the book sucks? .

S_Goldberg | 12-10-2009 11:08 AM
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I don't mind the errors in spelling/grammar but are you saying that the content of the book sucks?
I many instances, yes. I find the volume of grammatical and spelling errors to be outrageous for a published book. If it was an Internet posting it would be OK, but it is unacceptable for a published book they are charging $22 for. He makes evaluations based on a severely flawed perspective. It is basically a several hundred page internet forum posting and is riddled with the usual incorrect information and assumptions about firearms and combat.

Haltiat | 12-10-2009 12:21 PM
Re: Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW It has evidently been significantly updated since the edition I saw many years ago but if it is still basically the same book from the same author I will again have to back Goldberg. It was mostly a big opinion piece written for newbs. The internet forum posting analogy is accurate. In fact it kind of read like that "Choosing A Battle Rifle" video that was recently posted in this forum. IIRC Boston is even an acolyte of the "home defense from 500 yards" school. Everybody has to start somewhere but you will eventually outgrow it if you're serious about firearms. A few of the more knowledgeable posters on this forum could probably write a better book. If you are posting here you probably already own a gun. If you do I would argue that your money would be better spent on an instructional DVD or book from a reputable tactical instructor. Learn your weapon and how to fight with it before you worry too much about what the other guy's gun is like.

Juristic Person | 12-10-2009 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by S_Goldberg (Post 2068400) I many instances, yes. I find the volume of grammatical and spelling errors to be outrageous for a published book. If it was an Internet posting it would be OK, but it is unacceptable for a published book they are charging $22 for. He makes evaluations based on a severely flawed perspective. It is basically a several hundred page internet forum posting and is riddled with the usual incorrect information and assumptions about firearms and combat.
Is this "Boston" as in "Boston T. Party"?

Abouthadit | 12-10-2009 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 2068352) I have heard about this book for quite sometime I just never got around to getting it. Well I finally Picked it up yesterday and just skimming through the chapters I can tell you flat out ........ THIS IS THE GOOD STUFF. It is truly a self encompassing tool that leaves no stone unturned. Also the chapter and gun breakdown are EXCELLENT. What I really like is scenarios they cover and how to take advantage of them in the hostile gun environment we exist today and only to become more draconian tommarow. It forces you to think outside the box and has very sound reasoning. For example they explain: Why you should not consider getting a concealed carry permit. Not to trust recent "pro gun" Supreme Court Rulings. Learn what guns and gear will likely be outlawed next and in what order. What guns to own from the City Slicker to the Country Boy. How to spend within your budget wisely and efficently. Buying firearms and gear without creating a record trail back to you. Hope and work for the best while preparing for the worst. Much, much more This is an amazing tome (800 pages) that you will revist again and again. At the paltry cost of 22 dollars you can buy at the miminum two. Every GIMmer should have one in the prep closet as it that invaluable. For what its worth: I give it my highest recomendation :ok: http://www.amazon.com/Bostons-Gun-Bi...0458711&sr=8-1 T
wouldn't buying it at amazon create it's own paper trail?? BTW, get his other books too.

StrawMan=Corporation | 12-10-2009 01:38 PM
Re: Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW I was thinking about the film Conspiracy theory and the book Gibson buys called Catcher in the Rye. Quote:
Originally Posted by Abouthadit (Post 2068582) wouldn't buying it at amazon create it's own paper trail?? BTW, get his other books too.

S_Goldberg | 12-10-2009 01:43 PM
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Boston is even an acolyte of the "home defense from 500 yards" school.
Yes, indeed he is. This is why he argues 7.62NATO rifles are the best. The man has no idea what he is talking about. By all means, read the book. However, while reading keep in mind this man has zero qualifications and his book has many errors. Please seek real training and expertise in selecting a firearm (if you are looking for one) or learning to use one. Quote:
Is this "Boston" as in "Boston T. Party"?
yes.

Heimdhal | 12-10-2009 01:55 PM
Re: Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW I just picked up a DVD series done by Clint Smith at Thunder Ranch that covers defensive handgun and rifle fighting and techniques. It was very well done. Of all the otehr videos I have in the bundle I think Clint Smiths was the most well done, as well as the one with Mossad Ayoob. It was a great series and I highly recomend it to anyone. Heres a link: theres 7 DVD's in the series.....They arent cheap, but I know GIM is resourcefull. http://www.thunderranchinc.com/home/index.html

Haltiat | 12-10-2009 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 2068649) I just picked up a DVD series done by Clint Smith at Thunder Ranch that covers defensive handgun and rifle fighting and techniques. It was very well done. Of all the otehr videos I have in the bundle I think Clint Smiths was the most well done, as well as the one with Mossad Ayoob. It was a great series and I highly recomend it to anyone. Heres a link: theres 7 DVD's in the series.....They arent cheap, but I know GIM is resourcefull. http://www.thunderranchinc.com/home/index.html
I'm familiar with both and you can definitely do worse. Guns aren't really all that cheap, especially if you're serious about self defense. You put a few hundred into a gun, a few thousand into ammo, up to a couple hundred finding a good carry rig that works for you, a few thousand into training. Of course you can make do with just a gun, cheap holster and a couple hundred rounds of ammo and it's better than nothing but how much is your safety worth to you? One thing to watch out for is that many instructors do not have a high opinion of "civilians" and like to teach them monkey versions of techniques and tactics they teach to their "operators" for reasons of "opsec." One way to know if you're being taught monkey material is if the resolution involves a lot of running for your life instead of neutralizing the threat and securing the area. Suarez, Puzikas and others teach "getting off the X" but that is different. I'm talking about running away being taught as a self defense technique instead of an evasive technique. The instructors that are doing that do so for the reasons I stated above but also for another, because of their low opinion of "civilians" they don't believe you have a ghost of a chance to ever win a fight and they think you are going to be safer running away. The problem of course is that you aren't. Running away requires that you are faster than your attacker, it requires that you are faster than his bullets, that you have a safe haven and know how to get there and it requires you to give your back to someone who is trying to kill you. If it is what you have available to you take the course anyway, it beats target practice, just be aware of what you're being taught. Also be aware that just because instructor X is a such-and-such type of badass doesn't mean you are too because you learned a technique or two from him. Can you learn gun handling from a guy who was an Army Ranger? Yes. Does that mean you went through RIP? No. In order to help you better understand what it's really all about, noo B.S. I made an even more elite follow up to the video I posted in the Choosing A Battle Rifle Thread. Study it, learn from it. You Tube
You Tube

Heimdhal | 12-10-2009 02:54 PM
Re: Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW I so need to practice that guys shoot and scoot. That is the coolest, most tactical move I have ever seen, ever, in my whole life, ever!!!!!!!!!

Haltiat | 12-10-2009 03:16 PM
Re: Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW Very few people know about the shoot and scoot but once you see how tiny you are it's obvious that nobody can hit you. DEADLY. The thing to remember though is your tactical jock harness because in battle you might encounter a rock or something. I can't stress how important it is to have enough elastic on your tactical jock harness. Without proper shock absorption an encounter with a rock or stone during a scoot and shoot can take you out of the fight even with a tactical jock harness.

Twisted Avatar | 12-10-2009 03:27 PM
Re: Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltiat (Post 2068718) I'm familiar with both and you can definitely do worse. Guns aren't really all that cheap, especially if you're serious about self defense. You put a few hundred into a gun, a few thousand into ammo, up to a couple hundred finding a good carry rig that works for you, a few thousand into training. Of course you can make do with just a gun, cheap holster and a couple hundred rounds of ammo and it's better than nothing but how much is your safety worth to you? One thing to watch out for is that many instructors do not have a high opinion of "civilians" and like to teach them monkey versions of techniques and tactics they teach to their "operators" for reasons of "opsec." One way to know if you're being taught monkey material is if the resolution involves a lot of running for your life instead of neutralizing the threat and securing the area. Suarez, Puzikas and others teach "getting off the X" but that is different. I'm talking about running away being taught as a self defense technique instead of an evasive technique. The instructors that are doing that do so for the reasons I stated above but also for another, because of their low opinion of "civilians" they don't believe you have a ghost of a chance to ever win a fight and they think you are going to be safer running away. The problem of course is that you aren't. Running away requires that you are faster than your attacker, it requires that you are faster than his bullets, that you have a safe haven and know how to get there and it requires you to give your back to someone who is trying to kill you. If it is what you have available to you take the course anyway, it beats target practice, just be aware of what you're being taught. Also be aware that just because instructor X is a such-and-such type of badass doesn't mean you are too because you learned a technique or two from him. Can you learn gun handling from a guy who was an Army Ranger? Yes. Does that mean you went through RIP? No. In order to help you better understand what it's really all about, noo B.S. I made an even more elite follow up to the video I posted in the Choosing A Battle Rifle Thread. Study it, learn from it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m35iqaI5IzM
Those are brilliant points you made and I will be certain to evaluate instructors by that in the future as the reasoning is quite sound. Major hat tip my Good Sir. T

madfranks | 12-10-2009 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 2068352) At the paltry cost of 22 dollars you can buy at the miminum two.
Why do I need to buy two? In case I want to read it more than once? :tongue_ma:

Agrippa | 12-10-2009 07:21 PM
Re: Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW I think Boston's Bible is the best thing going to get gun neophytes up to speed in a hurry. He has a lot of opinions that might rub long-time gunnies the wrong way -- but they are informed opinions. I just wish he would come out with a new edition....

slabertooch | 12-10-2009 07:31 PM
Re: Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW Magpul's Art of the Carbine is excellent, covers everything from the "500 yards" to up close and personal. You Tube
You Tube

State of Jefferson | 12-10-2009 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Agrippa (Post 2069151) I think Boston's Bible is the best thing going to get gun neophytes up to speed in a hurry. He has a lot of opinions that might rub long-time gunnies the wrong way -- but they are informed opinions. I just wish he would come out with a new edition....
I just wish he'd have enough confidence in the quality of his book to allow excerpts online. I can't find a single one. Even the most valuable books allow excerpts at amazon.com or bn.com, but not this one. Not even just the Table of Contents! That makes me question its value. I never buy a book sight-unseen. I did in the past, and I was burned every single time. It's like these financial and "self-help" gurus - "get your whamo-bamo, single-best, financial/psychological freedom guide today for the low, low price of..." I am greatly concerned by its 2002 copyright. Each year, new "laws" are decreed that change what a gun owner can and can't do. Even if there are addenda added, as claimed on amazon.com, that's not really good enough; especially for a book that claims to be so much. A couple reviews online also note his citation of phantom quotes falsely attributed. Anyone so sloppy must be brought into question on every aspect of his work. Until I can actually see what this book offers, I'll pass. I suggest every other prospective buyer do the same.

slabertooch | 12-10-2009 07:35 PM
Re: Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW You Tube
You Tube

S_Goldberg | 12-10-2009 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by State of Jefferson (Post 2069174) I just wish he'd have enough confidence in the quality of his book to allow excerpts online. I can't find a single one. Even the most valuable books allow excerpts at amazon.com or bn.com, but not this one. Not even just the Table of Contents! That makes me question its value. I never buy a book sight-unseen. I did in the past, and I was burned every single time. It's like these financial and "self-help" gurus - "get your whamo-bamo, single-best, financial/psychological freedom guide today for the low, low price of..." I am greatly concerned by its 2002 copyright. Each year, new "laws" are decreed that change what a gun owner can and can't do. Even if there are addenda added, as claimed on amazon.com, that's not really good enough; especially for a book that claims to be so much. A couple reviews online also note his citation of phantom quotes falsely attributed. Anyone so sloppy must be brought into question on every aspect of his work. Until I can actually see what this book offers, I'll pass. I suggest every other prospective buyer do the same.
The reason he doesn't have excerpts is because it would prevent people such as yourself from being suckered into buying it. The book reads like 850 pages of bad written and ill-informed gun forum postings. I would place his work slightly above Gecko45 and Gunkid. (google those screen names if you are unfamiliar with their work). If you do read his book, please get real training with firearms and speak to instructors (more than one preferably) and then use your brain before running off believing the stuff in the book.

State of Jefferson | 12-10-2009 07:40 PM
Re: Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 2068649) I just picked up a DVD series done by Clint Smith at Thunder Ranch that covers defensive handgun and rifle fighting and techniques. It was very well done. Of all the otehr videos I have in the bundle I think Clint Smiths was the most well done, as well as the one with Mossad Ayoob. It was a great series and I highly recomend it to anyone. Heres a link: theres 7 DVD's in the series.....They arent cheap, but I know GIM is resourcefull. http://www.thunderranchinc.com/home/index.html
I, too, highly recommend Clint Smith's works. If you need a taste before making the commitment to buy (admittedly steep) videos, try: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4083..._Thunder_Ranch http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4828...DVD_2-Disk_Set

State of Jefferson | 12-10-2009 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by S_Goldberg (Post 2069187) The reason he doesn't have excerpts is because it would prevent people such as yourself from being suckered into buying it.
That is exactly what I'm afraid of. I've read some material by "Boston T. Party" via torrent or Scribd, and was not impressed. I also found his posts on The High Road claiming BATF was threatening bookshops for carrying his work: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...=435998&page=2 Yeah, sure.

S_Goldberg | 12-10-2009 07:48 PM
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I also found his posts on The High Road claiming BATF was threatening bookshops for carrying his work:
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I have spoken face-to-face with one of the bookstore's customers who had a recent conversation with the owner. This customer confirmed that the owner told him that her business was threatened by an agent of DHS with being "redflagged" if they carried Boston's Gun Bible. (According to him, his co-worker had previously been told the same thing.) [blah blah blah] Even before I was informed of this, sales of Boston's Gun Bible were at record highs -- especially after the disastrous election. I've never lied to sell books, and have no reason to start now. If the price of Boston's Gun Bible seems high, go get a quote on the unit cost of printing such an 848 page book, and then include a standard publisher's markup. It used to retail for $28, a price I kept from 2002 to 2008, but couldn't any longer with the debasing dollar. I.e., take it up with the Federal Reserve. Currently, the best deal on Boston's Gun Bible is from Fred's M14 stocks for $20 (+ s&h). I think he has only the 2007 or 2008 printing. (The 2009 printing includes my remarks on the Heller ruling.) http://www.fredsm14stocks.com/catalog/books.asp Thanks to my readers here and their kind comments. Boston T. Party
So, of course we all need to run out and buy his books before they ban them. What a tool. Thanks for the laugh and further proof of this man's idiocy.

mayhem | 12-10-2009 08:58 PM
Re: Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW I bought one of the first copies 02-03 or so......didn't impress me much. Hell I might have used it to start a fire in the fireplace last year.

tekrunner | 12-11-2009 11:19 PM
Re: Boston's Gun Bible........... WOW TA, mind sharing with us why he says we should not consider getting a concealed carry permit? Aside from the obvious it's an inalienable right not granted by government in the first place.

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