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Silver001 | 12-07-2008 09:53 PM
History of Gun Control A Little Gun History Lesson In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, some 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, some 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year's results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent! Yes, 44 percent! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent! Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 and was Naval Attache to the U. S. 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor and our Army had been deprived of funding and was ill prepared to defend the country. It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U. S. and knew that almost all households had guns. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too! Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him of this history lesson. With Guns.............We Are Citizens. Without Them........We Are Subjects. If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all your friends

jetgraphics | 12-08-2008 04:47 AM
Re: History of Gun Control Estimated 62 217 544 male Americans between 17 and 45. Issuing each a fully automatic weapon, 500 rounds, and train them should cost about $890 - $1100. Total cost:$68 439 299 148 $68 Billion The first 20 B-2 bombers cost $2.2 Billion each (44.4 Billion) Carriers cost $5 billion each. And a battle group -- typically, a carrier, six surface combatant ships, an attack submarine, a supply ship or two and a 70-aircraft fighter wing -- costs more than $1 billion a year to maintain, Congressional analysts say. Congress last year approved $21 million in development money for a new generation of carriers known as CVNX. The United States Navy maintains 11 carrier strike groups. Instead of opposing assault rifle bans, tell Congress to give each American a TAX CREDIT for every assault rifle in the home. That should do more to "PROTECT AMERICANS" than any defense program.

Zuwxiv | 12-09-2008 03:11 AM
Re: History of Gun Control I think it's quite inaccurate to blame all those atrocities on gun control. Do you think the Jews would have done so much better in Nazi Germany otherwise? It's not like every man, woman, and child would have a MG42. A certain percentage of households would have a rifle - and fighting against the Nazis would have been suicide, condemning your entire family. One man could not have held an entire squad off. Can gun control be a factor? Sure. More so in some cases than others. But don't be delusional. :P (By the way, why wasn't Switzerland invaded by the Nazis? Because they were armed and ready to defend their homeland with the excellent K-31 and other weapons - Hitler would not have been able to easily conquer it. There are plenty of good examples that are historically supported!)

platinumdude | 02-09-2009 09:58 PM
Re: History of Gun Control Quote:
Originally Posted by Zuwxiv (Post 1456508) (By the way, why wasn't Switzerland invaded by the Nazis? Because they were armed and ready to defend their homeland with the excellent K-31 and other weapons - Hitler would not have been able to easily conquer it. There are plenty of good examples that are historically supported!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...in_Switzerland

honu5050 | 02-09-2009 10:08 PM
Re: History of Gun Control lets face it if the enemy gits so close ya have to use a firearm your screwed. tptb decide to go it we'll be struck with some form of doo doo prior too. be more then firearms. about all this crap has done has driven the $ prices up so high its control in itself!!!!

Abouthadit | 02-09-2009 10:16 PM
Re: History of Gun Control The author of the (1968) federal Gun Control Act, Senator Thomas Dodd, was an attorney with the U.S. Justice Department at Nuremburg. He obtained the Reichsgesetzblatt, which is the German equivalent of our Federal Register. He was able to use the German gun-control laws after giving them to the Library of Congress to translate for him. They did indeed translate the laws for him, and that was the model, the basis, for the 1968 Gun Control Act in America. -Aaron Zelman is executive director of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership

meatman | 02-10-2009 08:41 AM
Re: History of Gun Control Most people think that gun control is a recent phenomenon in America, and in a way, they're right. However, if you've read your American history, you'll know that the Revolutionary War was sparked off by�Tada: An act of gun control! That's right, just why did the British General Thomas Gage dispatch Major John Pitcairn to Concord on the night of April 18, 1775? To seize powder, shot, and arms. On the morning of April the 19th, 50 to 60 militiamen met them at Lexington. He sure wasn't going there for a picnic or a tea party. Big mistake; he and his men were shot at all the way back to Boston. He started out with about one thousand men, but before he got back to Boston he had lost 273 men. This should tell anyone with the brains of a gnat what our forefathers thought of gun control; they were willing to start a war with the mightiest nation in the world at the time over this and other issues. In 1813, Kentucky enacted the first carrying concealed weapon statute in the United States. The Kentucky Court of Appeals struck down the law in 1822 as a violation of the state constitutional protection of the right to keep and bear arms. In 1837, Georgia completely banned the sale of pistols, with the exception of larger pistols known and used as "horsemen's pistols" and other weapons. The Georgia State Supreme Court overturned this law in Nunn V. State (1846). Indiana, Alabama and Arkansas all had concealed carry laws in the early to mid 1800's. Before the Civil War, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the privileges of citizenship included the individual right to own and carry firearms. The Dred Scott case did much to bring about the Civil War: "It would give to persons of the negro race, who are recognized as citizens in any one state of the Union, the right to enter every other state, whenever they pleased.... and it would give them full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might meet; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went." This led to the Fourteenth Amendment: Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Most of the reconstruction in the Southern States hinged upon the creation of black militias, which was composed of armed, freed blacks, officered in large part by black veterans of the Union Army. In the months after the Civil War, what was left of the southern governments struck at these units with the enactment of what was called black codes, which outlawed gun ownership by blacks entirely, or imposed permit systems for them, and provided for the confiscation of firearms owned by blacks. (Source: Report of The Subcommittee On The Constitution Of The Committee On The Judiciary, United States Senate Ninety-Seventh Congress Second Session February 1982.) Some of the "cow towns" of the old west, such as Wichita and Dodge City, also had their own versions of gun control; the "dead-line." Cross that line carrying a gun and you could wind up dead. It was a "reasonable" reaction to groups of young men, sometimes no more than boys, who, after spending months of sleeping on the ground, eating lousy food, doing hard work, with low pay, no women, little sleep, and hours of sitting in a saddle on a horse who tried every morning to disembark them, tended to want to party, and in a serious way. As we all know, if you combine young men with booze/drugs and guns, sometimes someone ends up with up with more holes in their bodies than the good Lord intended. A prime example of this can still be found in Bodie California, just north of Mono Lake, a silver mining town of the old west. The bar and ceiling of the saloon still show the holes put there by miners, gamblers, and gun fighters. At the same time, burglary and rape were almost unheard of in the old west. A man trying to rape a woman in an alley was apt to find him-self staring down the gun barrels of the townsmen. The shoot-out at the OK corral took place because the Earp brothers, along with John "Doc" Holliday, wanted to disarm the Clanton gang. In 1911 New York City passed the Sullivan Act. The 1920's and 1930's saw many states imposing "A Uniform Act to Regulate the Sale and Possession of Firearms," which prohibited unlicensed carrying and possession. The National Firearms Act was imposed in 1934; it required a $200 tax on each fully automatic firearm or silencer. Over the years, the tax was also applied to short-barreled rifles and shotguns, and a few other classes of weapons." The Federal Firearms Act of 1938 began the firearm dealer licensing system. The FFA was expanded into its present form by the Gun Control Act of 1968, which included prohibitions on mail order firearm sales, sales between residents of different states, recordkeeping on ammunition that can be used in a handgun, and prohibition of importation of firearms not considered "sporting" by the Treasury Department (BATF). Almost all the major gun control laws were passed under a Democrat controlled Senate/House or Presidency. They were in control of the White House from 1933 to 1953: Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry Truman.(Source: World Book Encyclopedia) The assassinations of JFK, Bobby Kennedy, and the Reverend Martin Luther King were the prime motivations behind the passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968. In the 1980s, the federal ammo record-keeping requirement was rescinded, and sales of long guns by a dealer in one state to a purchaser from another state were decriminalized. The manufacturing of armor-piercing ammo capable of being used in a handgun was outlawed. Firearms capable of being sneaked through airport security systems were also prohibited. 1989 saw President Bush directing the BATF to restrict the importation of various semi-auto-only service rifles under the "sporting" test. Ex-President Clinton further restricted those firearms by the same method in 1994 and 1998. He prohibited the importation of firearms from communist China in 1993. 1994: the Brady Act and federal "assault weapons" law took effect. Brady began the background check requirement on retail handgun sales nationwide, even though one-third of the states already had a similar law. In 1998 it imposed the national Instant Check on all retail firearm sales. The "assault weapons" law prohibited manufacturing semi-auto, detachable magazine rifles with various things attached and prohibited the manufacture of magazines holding more than 10 rounds. The 1990s saw the categories of people prohibited from possessing firearms expanded. The Gun Free School Zones Act was passed. It was struck down by the Supreme Court, then re-passed with modified language. The minimum age for possessing a handgun was set at 18. Each state has its own set of laws; California (1989), New Jersey (1990), Maryland, Hawaii and a few other states have passed laws on "assault weapons" or "assault pistols". South Carolina, Minnesota, Illinois and Maryland prohibit handguns made of pot metals. (Source: NRA-ILA) In states like California, where Democrats outnumber Republicans by almost two to one, 26 to 14 in the Senate and 52 to 27 in the Assembly, bad gun laws are the norm, or at the least should be expected. Today's anti-gun-self defense-Constitution-freedom people like to point out that there are more guns in America than there were a hundred thirty years ago, and they're right. There are also more people in America today than there were a hundred thirty years ago. The percentage of the criminal element has risen, along with the rest of the population, while the percentage of law-abiding townsfolk who are walking around armed has dropped to virtually zero. Try getting a concealed carry permit from L. A. County sheriff Lee Baca. Unless you're a movie-TV star, producer, or some other kind of "somebody," your chances are about as good as a snowball's chance in you-know-where. There are a few modern examples of gun control that have proven more practical than their historical counterparts. For instance, long time viewers of TV shows like "Cops" might remember two mental midgets who saw an ad in the local newspaper about a swap meet. They got the bright idea that they'd grab their guns, go to the hall where the swap meet was being held, and pull off a stick-up. The meet was being held at a city owned building, which was covered by security cameras. As the camera rotated back and forth, you can see these two simpletons get out of their car, run into the building carrying their guns, and come running back out, minus the guns. As the camera swung around, the banner over the front doors advertising the meet came into view: "Gun show-swap meet this weekend" or some such thing. I wonder what went through their dumb-as-a-stump minds when they saw table after table of�guns, and people with guns? It'd be kind of interesting to know what the people inside the swap meet thought, too. Imagine their faces as they yelled, "Stick 'em up!?" Now, this is what I call a prime example of gun control: both those imbeciles got out of the building alive. I have to wonder though, if they took a class in remedial reading while they were in jail after getting caught some time later.

mtnman | 02-10-2009 09:12 AM
Re: History of Gun Control Quote:
Originally Posted by Zuwxiv (Post 1456508) I think it's quite inaccurate to blame all those atrocities on gun control. Do you think the Jews would have done so much better in Nazi Germany otherwise? It's not like every man, woman, and child would have a MG42. A certain percentage of households would have a rifle - and fighting against the Nazis would have been suicide, condemning your entire family. One man could not have held an entire squad off. Can gun control be a factor? Sure. More so in some cases than others. But don't be delusional. :P (By the way, why wasn't Switzerland invaded by the Nazis? Because they were armed and ready to defend their homeland with the excellent K-31 and other weapons - Hitler would not have been able to easily conquer it. There are plenty of good examples that are historically supported!)
A quote: And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you'd be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur � what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! "If. . . if . . . We didn't love freedom enough. And even more � we had no awareness of the real situation. We spent ourselves in one unrestrained outburst in 1917, and then we hurried to submit. We submitted with pleasure! . . . We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward." (Note 5, page 13, Vol. 1, The Gulag Archipelago Amazon , by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn)

honu5050 | 02-10-2009 09:44 AM
Re: History of Gun Control years ago almost every kid hunted and fished. times changed for most citizens and most are brainwashed via tptb meida that guns are eveil. now aint no draft been goin and generaly urban city kids hunt each other and on ocassion a school go's haywire . but a long times passed and tptb are weakning more citizens! the state of cal has handicaped the public. aint about runnin round da street protesting as in the 60's. hell i could buy a new bike and car with what one of them feds equip themselves with. people gotta learn quick how to defend themselves and dump the media brainwash or they will git the short end.

Twisted Avatar | 02-10-2009 10:48 AM
Re: History of Gun Control Quote:
Originally Posted by Zuwxiv (Post 1456508) Do you think the Jews would have done so much better in Nazi Germany otherwise? It's not like every man, woman, and child would have a MG42. A certain percentage of households would have a rifle - and fighting against the Nazis would have been suicide, condemning your entire family. One man could not have held an entire squad off.
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?...The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!" -- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago, 1918-1956,

hoarder | 02-10-2009 11:03 AM
History of Jewish Involvement in Gun Control in America Emanuel Celler 1968: The Gun Control Act of 1968 comes from Rep. Emanuel Celler's House bill H.R. 17735. It expands legislation already attempted by the non-Jewish Sen. Thomas Dodd. America's biggest and most far-reaching gun law came from a Zionist[1]. Howie Metzenbaum 1988: Senate bill S. 1523 is sponsored by Senator Howard Metzenbaum. It proposes legislation turning every violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968 into a RICO predicate offense, allowing a gun owner to be charged with federal racketeering offenses. 1988: Senator Metzenbaum co-sponsors a bill -- S. 2180 -- to ban, or limit/restrict, so-called "plastic guns." Herb Kohl 1990: Senator Herbert Kohl introduces bill S.2070, the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990, which bans gun possession in a school zone. The law will later be struck down in court as unconstitutional. 1993: Senate bill S.653 is sponsored by Sen. Howard Metzenbaum. It bans specific semiautomatic rifles, but also gives the Secretary of the Treasury the power to add any semiautomatic firearm to the list at a later date. Chuck Schumer February, 1994: The Brady Law, which requires waiting periods to buy handguns, becomes effective. Senator Metzenbaum wrote the Brady Bill. Metzenbaum sponsored the bill in the Senate. The sponsor of the bill in the House was Rep. Charles Schumer [2]. 1994: Senator Metzenbaum introduces S.1878, the Gun Violence Prevention Act of 1994, aka "Brady II." Rep. Schumer sponsored "Brady II" sister legislation [H.R. 1321] in the U.S. House of Representatives. Dianne Feinstein September, 1994: The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 goes into effect, including a provision that bans the manufacture and possession of semiautomatic rifles described as "assault weapons." [Note: true assault weapons are fully automatic, not semiautomatic]. That gun-ban provision was authored in the Senate by Senator Dianne Feinstein and authored in the House by Congressman Schumer. Arlene Specter 1995: Senators Kohl, Specter, Feinstein, Lautenberg and others introduce the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1995, an amended version of the 1990 school-zone law which was struck down in court as being unconstitutional. Frank Launtenberg September, 1996: The Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation provision becomes law. It is part of a larger omnibus appropriations bill. It was sponsored by Senator Frank Lautenberg. It bans people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence from ever owning a gun. 1997: Senate bill S. 54, the Federal Gang Violence Act of 1997, proposes much harsher sentences for people violating minor gun laws, including mandatory prison sentences and forfeiture of property. It was introduced by Dianne Feinstein and Senator [Hatch], among others. It returns the idea of turning every violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968 into a RICO predicate offense. Barbara Boxer January, 1999: Senator Barbara Boxer introduces bill S.193, the American Handgun Standards Act of 1999. January, 1999: Senator Kohl introduces bill S.149, the Child Safety Lock Act of 1999. It would to require a child safety lock in connection with transfer of a handgun. February, 1999: Senator Frank Lautenberg introduces bill S.407, the Stop Gun Trafficking Act of 1999. February, 1999: Senator Lautenberg introduces S.443, the Gun Show Accountability Act of 1999. Senator Abe Levin March, 1999: Senator Lautenberg introduces bill S.560, the Gun Industry Accountability Act of 1999. March, 1999: Senator Feinstein introduces bill S.594, the Large Capacity Ammunition Magazine Import Ban Act of 1999. May, 2000: Senate bill S. 2515, Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2000, is submitted by Senators Feinstein, Senator Barbara Boxer, Sen. Lautenberg and Sen. Schumer. It is a plan for a national firearms licensing system. January, 2001: Senate bill S.25, Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2001, is sponsored by Feinstein, Schumer, and Boxer. It is a nation-wide gun registration plan [apparently there were two versions of that Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act bill]. May, 2003: Senators Feinstein, Schumer, Boxer and others introduce legislation that would reauthorize the 1994 federal assault weapons ban, and, close a loophole in the law that allows large-capacity ammunition magazines to be imported into the U.S. The ban is scheduled to expire in September, 2004. October, 2003: Senators Feinstein, Lautenberg, Levin [also Jewish] and Schumer co-sponsor bill S.1774, designed to stop the sunset [ending] of the Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988. March, 2005: Senator Lautenberg introduces bill S.645, "to reinstate the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act," in other words, to reinstate the 1994 assault-rifle ban [also known as the "Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994"] which expired in late 2004. March, 2005: Senator Feinstein introduces bill S.620, "to reinstate the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act," in other words, to reinstate the 1994 assault-rifle ban [also known as the "Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994"] which expired in late 2004. http://judicial-inc.biz/s_hort_history_gun_laws.htm

Twisted Avatar | 02-10-2009 11:13 AM
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G.W.Tanker | 02-10-2009 11:26 AM
Re: History of Gun Control Outstanding disclosure Hoarder, thanks. I'll be printing & posting this thread in my livingroom right underneath the constitution/BoR which is right underneath the U.S. Flag I kept in my chest pocket during the 1st Gulf war.

Twisted Avatar | 02-10-2009 11:54 AM
Re: History of Gun Control 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by G.W.Tanker (Post 1560912) Outstanding disclosure Hoarder, thanks. I'll be printing & posting this thread in my livingroom right underneath the constitution/BoR which is right underneath the U.S. Flag I kept in my chest pocket during the 1st Gulf war.
Though late.......... Welcome Home My Good Sir :ok:

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