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horseshoe3 | 10-27-2009 03:09 PM
When did Winchester change from .30 W.C.F to .30-30? I was in the gunshop yesterday and saw a model 1894 in .30 W.C.F. As I understand, this was the original name for the .30-30 cartridge. Does anyone know when Winchester changed the markings on their barrels? I should have noted the SN, but I wasn't thinking that far ahead. BTW, the price on this rifle was $430. Seemed high for a '94, but if it is pre-64, I guess it could be reasonable...

SilverCity | 10-27-2009 03:13 PM
Re: When did Winchester change from .30 W.C.F to .30-30? It will have some collector value. In 1964, Winchester went with cast receivers instead of forged, and I would imagine lost a few customers in the process. http://www.leverguns.com/articles/3030history.htm "Winchester cartridges retained the .30 W.C.F. designation on their headstamps and advertising up until about 1946 after which they changed their nomenclature to .30-30. Interestingly, today it's called the .30-30 Winchester but it was Marlin & U.M.C. that gave it that designation."

mick silver | 10-27-2009 03:20 PM
Re: When did Winchester change from .30 W.C.F to .30-30? Winchester went out of business a few years back ......... they no longer sell are make 30/30 . i buy 30/30 every time i see them at sells . then i make a few buck off of them

horseshoe3 | 10-27-2009 03:27 PM
Re: When did Winchester change from .30 W.C.F to .30-30? Thanks, great article. Is it a safe assumption that they changed the nomenclature on the barrels at the same time as they changed the cartridges and advertising?

General of Darkness | 10-27-2009 03:33 PM
Re: When did Winchester change from .30 W.C.F to .30-30? Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver (Post 1993734) Winchester went out of business a few years back ......... they no longer sell are make 30/30 . i buy 30/30 every time i see them at sells . then i make a few buck off of them
+1 FN purchased the gun side of the business and can only speak to that, as an example the FN SLP Mark1 shotgun uses the Winchester SX3 internals, which are amazing. From my understanding, the Winchesters have improved dramatically since FN took them over.

hypervel | 10-27-2009 04:56 PM
Re: When did Winchester change from .30 W.C.F to .30-30? Guess 1930?

gypsybiker45 | 10-27-2009 06:42 PM
Re: When did Winchester change from .30 W.C.F to .30-30? Quote:
Originally Posted by hypervel (Post 1993913) Guess 1930?
.30-30 means .30 caliber LOADED with 30 gr. of black powder,older cartridges used this designation for reloading. .45-70 Govt, .50-70, .30-40 Krag, etc. old school

hypervel | 10-27-2009 07:40 PM
Re: When did Winchester change from .30 W.C.F to .30-30? Oh, if you trust Wiki it's 30 grains of smokeless and was named so by Marlin who didn't want a competing company's designation on a cartridge. I wasn't there so I can't really stand on the veracity of Wiki's info.

AZLiberty | 10-28-2009 12:38 AM
Re: When did Winchester change from .30 W.C.F to .30-30? Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsybiker45 (Post 1994047) .30-30 means .30 caliber LOADED with 30 gr. of black powder,older cartridges used this designation for reloading. .45-70 Govt, .50-70, .30-40 Krag, etc. old school
The 30-30 and 30-40 were never loaded with black powder. Both were loaded with smokeless from the beginning. The nomenclature is however a holdover from blackpowder.

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