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Ares | 01-14-2009 12:01 PM
Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms By Drew Zahn � 2009 WorldNetDaily Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill. U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., is hoping to pass a firearm-licensing bill that will significantly rewrite gun-ownership laws in America. Among the more controversial provisions of the bill are requirements that all handgun owners submit to the federal government a photo, thumb print and mental heath records. Further, the bill would order the attorney general to establish a database of every handgun sale, transfer and owner's address in America. The bill claims its purpose is "to protect the public against the unreasonable risk of injury and death associated with the unrecorded sale or transfer of firearms to criminals and youth." Columnist David Codrea of Guns Magazine, however, calls it a "ridiculous affront to liberty." "This is nothing less than a declaration of war on American gun owners," Codrea writes on Gun Rights Examiner. Rush's proposed bill, H.R. 45, is alternatively known as "Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009," named after an Illinois teenager killed by a gunshot. According the bill's text, "On the afternoon of May 10, 2007, Blair Holt, a junior at Julian High School in Chicago, was killed on a public bus riding home from school when he used his body to shield a girl who was in the line of fire after a young man boarded the bus and started shooting." The bill then argues that interstate firearm trafficking and children dying from gun violence create legitimate cause for the federal government to monitor gun ownership and transfers in new ways. If passed, the bill would make it illegal to own or possess a "qualifying firearm" � defined as any handgun or any semiautomatic firearm that takes an ammunition clip � without a "Blair Holt" license. To obtain a "Blair Holt" license, an application must be made that includes a photo, address, all previous aliases, thumb print, completion of a written firearm safety test, release of mental health records to the attorney general and a fee not to exceed $25. Further, the bill makes it illegal to transfer ownership of a qualifying firearm to anyone who is not a licensed gun dealer or collector. Exceptions to this rule include transfer to family members by gift or bequest and loans, not to exceed 30 days, of a firearm for lawful purposes "between persons who are personally known to each other." The bill also requires qualifying firearm owners to report all transfers to the attorney general's database. It would also be illegal for a licensed gun owner to fail to record a gun loss or theft within 72 hours or fail to report a change of address within 60 days. And if a minor obtains a weapon and injures someone with it, the owner of the gun � if deemed to have failed to meet certain safety requirements � faces a multiple-year jail sentence. H.R. 45 is a resurfacing of 2007's H.R. 2666, which contained much of the same language and was co-sponsored by 15 other representatives and Barack Obama's current chief of staff, Rahm Emmanuel. H.R. 2666 was assigned to the House Judiciary committee, where no action was taken. H.R. 45 currently has no co-sponsors and is likewise assigned to the House Judiciary committee. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=86039

The Argent Dragon | 01-14-2009 12:22 PM
Re: Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=339226 I hope the hell this crappy bill goes down in flames right away. :rant:

TLM | 01-14-2009 12:28 PM
Re: Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms Anything that takes an ammunition clip? Hmmm, belt fed, tube fed and revolvers, seem the future of firearms.:10_1_20:

phideaux | 01-14-2009 12:31 PM
Re: Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms Question: What part of the Second Amendment does this guy not understand? Answer: All of it,

The Argent Dragon | 01-14-2009 12:34 PM
Re: Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms Quote:
Originally Posted by phideaux (Post 1511789) Question: What part of the Second Amendment does this guy not understand? Answer: All of it,
Idiot Schmucks like this A-hole don't even recognize the Constitution let alone any Amendments.........they're completely out of touch. :36_1_28:

vector03 | 01-14-2009 01:57 PM
Re: Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms Back story on Blair Holt http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...ews&id=5301934 Quote:
Police say the 40-caliber semi-automatic used in the shooting came from another gang member, but the origin of its purchase, how it got to the streets isn't known yet, because it hasn't been recovered.

The Argent Dragon | 01-14-2009 02:26 PM
Re: Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms Now some background on Bobby Rush (the bill drafter) : Quote:
Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record.
http://www.ontheissues.org/il/Bobby_...un_Control.htm :bear_angry:

platinumdude | 01-14-2009 02:29 PM
Re: Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms Quote:
Originally Posted by TLM (Post 1511783) Anything that takes an ammunition clip? Hmmm, belt fed, tube fed and revolvers, seem the future of firearms.:10_1_20:
It doesn't say anything about magazines.

The Argent Dragon | 01-14-2009 02:31 PM
Re: Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms Quote:
Originally Posted by vector03 (Post 1511870) Back story on Blair Holt...
Thanks, now here's my take : Am I concerned for what happened in Chicago to young school children - YES Is this one incident worth putting massive gun control measures forth to restrict responsible gun owners ? Hell NO ! Will increased gun control actually prevent tragedies such as this one from occuring ? ....uhh NO ! Do criminals or irresponsible gun owners abide by laws ? ...NO again ! So is this suck-up politician actually helping society by trying to pass such an extreme bill into law ??? .......I think you get my point. NO !

platinumdude | 01-14-2009 02:42 PM
Re: Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1511900) It doesn't say anything about magazines.
Actually I re-read the full text: 15 ��(36) The term �qualifying firearm�� 16 ��(A) means� 17 ��(i) any handgun; or 18 ��(ii) any semiautomatic firearm that 19 can accept any detachable ammunition 20 feeding device; and 21 ��(B) does not include any antique.��.

goldgun | 01-14-2009 02:48 PM
Re: Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms I think increasing gun control will lead to more violence. They haven't factored in the war they are starting. I would hate to be a politician if they are passing unconstituional laws like this.

californiaprospector | 01-14-2009 02:51 PM
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SLV>GLD | 01-14-2009 03:00 PM
Re: Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms Quote:
Originally Posted by TLM (Post 1511783) Anything that takes an ammunition clip? Hmmm, belt fed, tube fed and revolvers, seem the future of firearms.:10_1_20:
As noted above the journalistic integrity of the article is garbage and the text of the bill is much more enlightening. I'm posting to inform you, though, that revolvers can utilize clips. I suspect you are thinking of a magazine when you hear the word clip.

The Argent Dragon | 01-14-2009 03:01 PM
Re: Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms GIM'ers..........get ready to LINE UP !!! http://www.18cnewenglandlife.org/ima...tia_muster.jpg

phideaux | 01-14-2009 03:06 PM
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Mantokir | 01-14-2009 03:14 PM
Re: Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms Quote:
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"I don't think I understand" I could swear I just heard Bobby say that... :tongue_ma:

goldgun | 01-14-2009 03:48 PM
Re: Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1511947) GIM'ers..........get ready to LINE UP !!! http://www.18cnewenglandlife.org/ima...tia_muster.jpg
I will be fighting behind the lines deep in the shadows of the city of sheep.

gangsta99 | 01-14-2009 06:33 PM
Re: Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1511947) GIM'ers..........get ready to LINE UP !!! http://www.18cnewenglandlife.org/ima...tia_muster.jpg
The AD Army is getting ready to mount up. :coolbeer: AD are you to the point yet where you can arm a 50 man group yet? Sure seems like you are close.

The Argent Dragon | 01-14-2009 08:05 PM
Re: Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms Quote:
Originally Posted by gangsta99 (Post 1512299) AD are you to the point yet where you can arm a 50 man group yet? Sure seems like you are close.
:rofl: Good one ! ......awww heck, I can only arm less than half that many - guess I'm a slacker. :biggrin:

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