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mick silver | 10-31-2009 12:26 PM
Tennessee Attorney General Bob Cooper This week's second outrage comes to us via Tennessee Attorney General Bob Cooper (D), who recently issued an official opinion that landlords can prohibit law-abiding tenants from possessing their legally-owned firearms within the leased premises of their rented apartments, even if the tenants have a valid carry permit! According to an October 28th article on Knoxnews.com, the opinion is in response to a request from state Representative Tony Shipley (R-2), who said he had thought the answer would have been different. .. http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Fe...d.aspx?id=5192

mtnman | 10-31-2009 12:37 PM
Re: Tennessee Attorney General Bob Cooper Next year we WILL change Governors. This will do away with the Asshole B Cooper.

mick silver | 10-31-2009 12:42 PM
Re: Tennessee Attorney General Bob Cooper any body that runs for office should have to take a test on the Constitution of this country and if they fail they cannot hold office any time or place

Rampon | 10-31-2009 01:01 PM
Re: Tennessee Attorney General Bob Cooper Mick, according to the Bots, Tennessee is smack-dab in the middle of where the next revolution will start. Seems to me that the Tennessee folks are kinda quiet and slow to anger...but don't go and piss 'em off! Remember The Alamo

Maddie | 10-31-2009 01:39 PM
Re: Tennessee Attorney General Bob Cooper Quote:
Originally Posted by Rampon (Post 2000444) Mick, according to the Bots, Tennessee is smack-dab in the middle of where the next revolution will start. Seems to me that the Tennessee folks are kinda quiet and slow to anger...but don't go and piss 'em off! Remember The Alamo
Plus, those of us down here in Alabama and Georgia have Tennessee's back! :ok:

Abouthadit | 10-31-2009 01:54 PM
Re: Tennessee Attorney General Bob Cooper Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 2000494) Plus, those of us down here in Alabama and Georgia have Tennessee's back! :ok:
Roger that. LAL - lock and load

AgAuGal | 10-31-2009 01:55 PM
Re: Tennessee Attorney General Bob Cooper Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 2000494) Plus, those of us down here in Alabama and Georgia have Tennessee's back! :ok:
I hope to heII all the other 49 states have Tennessee's back

Lars Ragnarsson | 10-31-2009 03:28 PM
Re: Tennessee Attorney General Bob Cooper Quote:
Originally Posted by AgAuGal (Post 2000522) I hope to heII all the other 49 states have Tennessee's back
Count out California, Hawaii, Illinois, NY, NJ, Massachusetts, Conn, and Maryland for sure. Probably a couple others out there. Most people in these states would classify this as a "common sense" gun law. They think any law that restricts who can have guns and where they can have them makes for a safer community. And please don't confuse them with facts....

Tn...Andy | 10-31-2009 05:25 PM
Re: Tennessee Attorney General Bob Cooper You guys have this ALL wrong. The AG was asked an for an opinion on whether or not a landlord could prohibit firearms on his PRIVATELY OWNED property.....and the AG responded, correctly IMHO, that yes, by a lease provision, the LL could do that. The AG is correct…..“rights” only exist in the public area ( or should….govt often does their best to squash them ). Any agreement between individuals ( private contract ) allows for one to give up any “right” in favor of gaining something from the other party by contract. In this case, Mr Shipley has agreed to give up his 2nd amendment right in order to gain the “privilege” of living in some private property of his landlord. Could the landlord ALSO “ban” is his 1st amendment rights ? Sure….it’s done all the time. Take the various condo associations that ban the flying of flags in the yard, or posting of signage for anything from political campaign to yard sales….all clearly 1st amendment issues that an individual gives up BY CONTRACT in order to live in a nest of like minded knuckleheads. SO, the answer for Mr. Shipley is quite clear….MOVE…..and better yet, BUY a home, and then he should ( in theory anyway ) be able to enjoy ALL rights protected by the Constitution.

specsaregood | 10-31-2009 05:33 PM
Re: Tennessee Attorney General Bob Cooper Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 2000765) Any agreement between individuals ( private contract ) allows for one to give up any �right� in favor of gaining something from the other party by contract.
TNAndy, I'm in agreement. But just to clarify, this restriction would have to be agreed to in the lease agreement? They shouldn't be able to say, "no guns", AFTER the lease agreement is signed if that agreement didn't explicitly restrict guns.

Chris_Is_Here | 10-31-2009 05:47 PM
Re: Tennessee Attorney General Bob Cooper Quote:
Originally Posted by Lars Ragnarsson (Post 2000623) Count out California, Hawaii, Illinois, NY, NJ, Massachusetts, Conn, and Maryland for sure. Probably a couple others out there. Most people in these states would classify this as a "common sense" gun law. They think any law that restricts who can have guns and where they can have them makes for a safer community. And please don't confuse them with facts....
Hold on, partner....you can count out most of the suburban-wussies and metro-fags in my commie-pinko state but not me.....when the shooting starts, I will be there...I figure by that time, most of us will be unemployed and out on the street, so what will there be to lose?

Tn...Andy | 10-31-2009 07:36 PM
Re: Tennessee Attorney General Bob Cooper Quote:
Originally Posted by specsaregood (Post 2000775) TNAndy, I'm in agreement. But just to clarify, this restriction would have to be agreed to in the lease agreement? They shouldn't be able to say, "no guns", AFTER the lease agreement is signed if that agreement didn't explicitly restrict guns.
Yes....you are correct. The LL CAN'T alter an agreement ( lease ) after the fact without the consent of the other party. In this particular case ( it was on our local news this morning ), I don't know which way it was......a clause in the lease that the tenant just got around to discovering, OR the LL trying to make up crap after the fact. The attorney general's statement specifically said " by lease "......leading me to believe it was by lease, and it's hard to imagine a LL stupid enough to go around trying to enforce something NOT in the lease, since all the tenant would have to do is say "shove it up your backside, bubba". There ARE some provisions in landlord/tenant relations that the tenant can NOT be required to forfeit by lease.....for example, race, religion, etc......I don't personally believe in such laws, for that violates the spirit of property rights.....I should be able to make whatever requirements I want for the use of my property, no matter how "discriminatory" or stupid they may be.....you, on the other hand, have no obligation to contract with my racist, gun hating, self, and have the ability to "vote with your wallet" on the issue.....but sadly, that is not the case. However, gun rights apparently aren't near the hot button issue as others like race, religion, national origin, etc....and thus have no such "protection". The 2nd amendment ( nor much of the others ) does not apply in this case....this a matter of private contract, and property rights. It isn't even a gun issue IMHO, though many fail to understand that.

AgAuGal | 10-31-2009 09:07 PM
Re: Tennessee Attorney General Bob Cooper Quote:
Originally Posted by Lars Ragnarsson (Post 2000623) Count out California, Hawaii, Illinois, NY, NJ, Massachusetts, Conn, and Maryland for sure. Probably a couple others out there. Most people in these states would classify this as a "common sense" gun law. They think any law that restricts who can have guns and where they can have them makes for a safer community. And please don't confuse them with facts....
I am in one of those states and I would respectfully disagree, don't confuse the liberal councils/governments as representing 'most' of the 'peoples' views. The MSM would also have you believe 'most' of the people of Illinois just loved Blagoyavich and thought he got a raw deal - not true by any stretch.

Lars Ragnarsson | 10-31-2009 09:47 PM
Re: Tennessee Attorney General Bob Cooper Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_Is_Here (Post 2000797) Hold on, partner....you can count out most of the suburban-wussies and metro-fags in my commie-pinko state but not me.....when the shooting starts, I will be there...I figure by that time, most of us will be unemployed and out on the street, so what will there be to lose?
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Originally Posted by AgAuGal (Post 2001045) I am in one of those states and I would respectfully disagree, don't confuse the liberal councils/governments as representing 'most' of the 'peoples' views. The MSM would also have you believe 'most' of the people of Illinois just loved Blagoyavich and thought he got a raw deal - not true by any stretch.
Yeah, I thought about the stupidity of my blanket statement after I posted. As noted, my opinion was formed by the vast majority of the urbanites and the governments they (allegedly) elect. My apologies to all the residents of those states that still believe in the Constitution. I knew better for California, too. We've got lots of good members here from SoCal. And from people I know from the northern part of the state, they'd like to become the 51st state. Same with FL - totally different mentality in the southern part of the state vs. the panhandle. I also agree that the MSM is a large part of the disinformation problem. I must admit I don't mind a bit that many of them are going broke....

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