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Mike C | 12-30-2008 01:33 AM
Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... I've noticed a new change on these boards lately, that the firearm threads are far outweighing the PM threads. I remember last year when there would be days between new threads on this forum, and the "purchasing precious metals" forum would be booming, and now the total opposite. The PM craze is slowing. I sold all my gold months ago, when spot was in the high $900's, and started my new gun passion. I basically swapped out some of the gold for guns, and I think a lot of us here are taking this same road. Guns seem to be the new gold, and the prices have risen on some(AR15's, etc) as much or more than gold did last year(when it went up 30%). Ammo is also sky high, but will this last? With the metals dropping, ammo might be on a bubble as well, and I am not stockpiling at these prices....yet. I'm holding off, I think the prices of ammo will "correct" and drop slightly. I don't think it is a one way street(remember when everyone thought oil was a one way street? Many got burned now that prices are cheap again.) Just my opinion, but I believe we will see ammo prices drop in the next few years. What does everyone else think?

mick silver | 12-30-2008 02:09 AM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... that a hard call , it could just go higher who know , i have put up some ammo would like alot more , done with gun buying for now also . i think i well try an ride this out before selling any pm for now

Highwayman | 12-30-2008 02:14 AM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... If PM's are doing well, people relax and look around. If PM's are getting bashed down, everyones glued to that forum. Or I am anyway... -Highwayman

JJ_ | 12-30-2008 09:38 AM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... Well - for me it seems like investing in PM's has become more of a gamble since the PTB have increased manipulation to the point that J6P (me) can't depend on the historical indicators to make solid choices. The Firearms market still seems to have retained the econimic/political basis to where I can feel confident in holding assets that have a value that is market driven - rather than manipulated by powers unseen... make sense? or did I talk in circles?:confused_ma:

mayhem | 12-30-2008 09:46 AM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... Well the guns I bought last Jan have doubled in price.....so what does that tell ya. PM's or Guns?

Twisted Avatar | 12-30-2008 10:02 AM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... Quote:
Originally Posted by mayhem (Post 1487589) Well the guns I bought last Jan have doubled in price.....so what does that tell ya. PM's or Guns?
EXACTLY and if BHO breathes a single word about AWB in the first 100 days(highly likely) THEY WILL DOUBLE AGAIN. Brass Lead Buled Steel Black Ploymer Will be some of the BIGGEST OUTPREFORMERS in the years to come. T

ruprick | 12-30-2008 10:18 AM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... I've semi-commercial reloaded at one time and still reload a lot. In 20 years i have never seen a pull-back in basic components (brass, primer, powder, bullets). Everything has doubled to tripled in the past 10 years. We may see a redeuction in the price of bullets and shot due to the recent pull back in the price of lead....but i doubt the price of brass cases will come down much if at all.....material is a very small price in the final cartridge brass......I should do a little calculation of wholesale cartridge brass price in $/lb.....I imagine it is way over $10/lb....while basic brass is under $1.50/lb. Primers and powder are the key items to stockplie....you can't make these....you can reuse brass many times....you can smelt scrap lead and cast bullets.....you must buy primers.....in a pinch, you can make black powder from scratch.....I've made about 25# of black powder through my life.....no problem - works fine.....primers are the key item. I just purchased $2000 in primers....and $3000 in 22LR ammo.....want to be stocked for my life and my kids lives....might even buy more....might buy $2000 more in primers...and perhaps some powder. It will never be cheaper or as available as it is today. It has taken several months to satisfy my order from a significant wholeseller/distributor (esp the primers...) - this was not an issue 5 years ago.....better get it now. If we have a major war in the world (not just USA involved...perhaps no USA involve...) there will be a major run on ammunition component manufacturing....I have been told that the current ammo run by civilians like me is what has caused the current many month delay in primers....

C&L 1911 | 12-30-2008 10:19 AM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... All good points above. I started buying guns long time ago, way before I got involved in the PMs, so my gun "stash" is in much better shape than my PM "stash". Having said that, I don't view guns as true investments, even though guns have appreciated over the last couple of years, and even more so during the last couple of months. The reason being is that there is a very high risk (especially now) of them becoming worthless in a sense that you may not be able to exchange your guns for FRNs or even PMs should a new, more strict AWB-type law be passed. All they have to do is omit the grandfathering clause and person-to-person sales, and you guns will no longer have a "market value". They will still be very valuable assets to you (possibly more valuable then they had ever been), but you will not be able to liquidate your "gun position" to reallocate that wealth into some other investments. So, buy all you can afford now, but don't plan on making a living or drawing your retirement from your gun investments.

Twisted Avatar | 12-30-2008 10:25 AM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... Quote:
Originally Posted by C&L 1911 (Post 1487625) All good points above. I started buying guns long time ago, way before I got involved in the PMs, so my gun "stash" is in much better shape than my PM "stash". Having said that, I don't view guns as true investments, even though guns have appreciated over the last couple of years, and even more so during the last couple of months. The reason being is that there is a very high risk (especially now) of them becoming worthless in a sense that you may not be able to exchange your guns for FRNs or even PMs should a new, more strict AWB-type law be passed. All they have to do is omit the grandfathering clause and person-to-person sales, and you guns will no longer have a "market value". They will still be very valuable assets to you (possibly more valuable then they had ever been), but you will not be able to liquidate your "gun position" to reallocate that wealth into some other investments. So, buy all you can afford now, but don't plan on making a living or drawing your retirement from your gun investments.
If it gets a bad as some of us think it will ........... do you REALLY think we will be debating the ramifications of THE LAW?? My first and foremost responsibilty is to my family and those who I hold dear. Screw THE LAW......... it has no basis in common sense anyways. T

C&L 1911 | 12-30-2008 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1487626) If it gets a bad as some of us think it will ........... do you REALLY think we will be debating the ramifications of THE LAW?? My first and foremost responsibilty is to my family and those who I hold dear. Screw THE LAW......... it has no basis in common sense anyways. T
I'm not disagreeing with you, but you're missing my point. I emphasized that those guns may become the single most valuable asset you have ever owned, to you, because one day they may make the difference between life and death - your life and the lives of your loved ones. However, viewing the guns as a true investment, i.e. something that you buy low and sell high, and can liquidate at any given time regardless of geopolitical and/or economical conditions, is simply irresponsible and reckless. Let's say TSHF scenario doesn't happen, the economy recovers somehow, a new AWB with no grandfathering is passed, and you have all your eggs in one basket (i.e. all your investments in the guns). Not a good long term investment strategy... Once again, I'm not making a case against guns; I'm heavily "invested" into guns myself (in NFA alone I have 6 stamps :565: ). I'm just not advocating selling all your PMs or any other assets and putting it all into guns.

reformed wastrel | 12-30-2008 07:54 PM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1487626) If it gets a bad as some of us think it will ........... do you REALLY think we will be debating the ramifications of THE LAW??
Indeed. I wonder if those who would disarm us have really sat down and thought about what it means to force us to choose between remaining law-abiding or between protecting ourselves and our loved ones. Do they really want to turn us into criminals? Really? Sure, many current gunowners will hang their heads and turn in their guns upon the first command of any passing-by "authority". But not all. And those that do not are the most passionate and committed of us. Those who seek to change the laws to seize our guns do not, I think, appreciate the respect that most gunowners have for the law. They don't understand our respect because they do not have respect for the law themselves. To them, laws are simply another weapon to use against their opponents. But it is only our respect for the law that enables them to use the law against us. We do not lose our respect for the law over an unjust speeding ticket, or a silly mow-your-yard ordinance. But a gun-seizure law would shatter our willingness to continue to obey the ink scratches on paper made by bribe-burdened whores in the capital buildings. Do they truly want all the passion, ingenuity, and sheer determination of so many turned against them, and their ideas of what society should be? Because once our respect for the concept of law goes, we won't be following the rules anymore. The best of us will leave our ideals of the laws behind, and be left with our ideas of JUSTICE. And I don't think they'll like our ideas of what justice is. Not even a little bit.

Matt-themaddog-Dollar | 12-30-2008 08:03 PM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... If the tyrant tries to illegalize guns, they will GAIN in value. All things that are illegal are more expensive. The black market demands a very high premium.

luft97 | 12-30-2008 08:12 PM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike C (Post 1487339) I've noticed a new change on these boards lately, that the firearm threads are far outweighing the PM threads.
Guns are Money.info :biggrin: I will say that I prefer talking about firearms here rather than many of the gun forums most of the time.

Twisted Avatar | 12-30-2008 08:27 PM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... Quote:
Originally Posted by reformed wastrel (Post 1488364) Do they really want to turn us into criminals? Really? Sure, many current gunowners will hang their heads and turn in their guns upon the first command of any passing-by "authority". But not all. And those that do not are the most passionate and committed of us. .
All we need is very hardcore 2-4% and we can turn the tide.

Matt-themaddog-Dollar | 12-30-2008 10:08 PM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... There'll be a point where the average sheep no longer cares what the gun laws are.

Twisted Avatar | 12-30-2008 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt-themaddog-Dollar (Post 1488516) There'll be a point where the average sheep no longer cares what the gun laws are.
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ohioarmedneutrality | 12-30-2008 11:29 PM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... Yeppers. Don't ever voluntarily turn in your firearms. Or turn them in one round at a time. Whichever works best. If it gets to the point where we can't freely own or sell our property, whether it is firearms or ammo or land or food, the "legislators" passing these "laws" will have become the true criminals and should be dealt with accordingly. And when I say "accordingly," I mean they should be hung after a fair and quick trial. Remember, that little flare up in Lexington and Concord was the result of the "authorities" seeking to seize arms. I just hope that the talk in Congress is just talk, because otherwise things could get real ugly. Janet Reno ugly even.

Twisted Avatar | 12-31-2008 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ohioarmedneutrality (Post 1488659) Yeppers. Don't ever voluntarily turn in your firearms. Or turn them in one round at a time. Whichever works best. If it gets to the point where we can't freely own or sell our property, whether it is firearms or ammo or land or food, the "legislators" passing these "laws" will have become the true criminals and should be dealt with accordingly. And when I say "accordingly," I mean they should be hung after a fair and quick trial. Remember, that little flare up in Lexington and Concord was the result of the "authorities" seeking to seize arms. I just hope that the talk in Congress is just talk, because otherwise things could get real ugly. Janet Reno ugly even.
Yeah thats pretty dam ugly.

90%RealMoney | 12-31-2008 12:33 AM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... Damn, I don't think I know anyone THAT ugly! Good thing She's a Sappho, I don't think She'd get any takers from any prisoners even!

moreair | 12-31-2008 01:53 AM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... I don't plan on becoming a gun dealer, so to say, when the SHTF. However, if I have to part with a gun or some ammo to make ends meet I will. For the most part my guns & ammo are to keep me and my family safe from the zombies. Same thing with silver. I might sell some of it, if I have to when SHTF. But I am going to try to hold on to as much of it as possible so when I come out on the other side I will have some wealth. While the SHTF I will work as hard as I can to keep from blowing my savings / investments. I think that the gun threads are speeding up is becuase of the obama factor is setting in. obama + economic crash + marshall law + gun confiscation = all of us posting on threads about it. I don't think he will come after silver, maybe gold, but not silver. Guns will be priority number one for the socialist party that is about to take over in D.C.

Twisted Avatar | 12-31-2008 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 90%RealMoney (Post 1488699) Damn, I don't think I know anyone THAT ugly! Good thing She's a Sappho, I don't think She'd get any takers from any prisoners even!
:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

ohioarmedneutrality | 12-31-2008 08:31 AM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... I am now officially sorry I uttered the name "Janet Reno." Thanks for making me nauseated TA.

moreair | 01-02-2009 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ohioarmedneutrality (Post 1488985) I am now officially sorry I uttered the name "Janet Reno." Thanks for making me nauseated TA.
:111:......................

AurumAg | 01-02-2009 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ohioarmedneutrality (Post 1488985) I am now officially sorry I uttered the name "Janet Reno." Thanks for making me nauseated TA.
Off to the Vomitorium...

honu5050 | 01-02-2009 01:12 AM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... platinum bullets....hmmmmm

Lt Dan | 01-02-2009 07:35 AM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... Considering I came here from a gun forum to learn about PMs, I think the two are somehow strangely linked. A local gun store guy has actually sold me as much or more in PM's than he has in guns and ammo. The same personality type people who would buy PMs for a prep thing would also think of guns, food, water, and stocking up. IMO. Some how, I got my hands on the red pill and life has not been the same. I hardly ever even visit that gun forum any more. This place is the best I've found on the web, except maybe when it comes to computer issues. Plenty of geek forums out there for that.

SkinnyMoose | 01-02-2009 08:36 AM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... Firearms and PM's do seem to be linked somehow, but at the end of the day they are totally different things. I see firearms as protecting my life in a more direct fashion. In other words I can protect myself against people or I can hunt for game to keep me fed. It borders more along the lines with your survival needs and is almost a last resort when your PM's aren't really doing it. PM's would hopefully prevent me from using my firearms. For instance, I can use a silver coin to purchase food. When that option is no longer on the table, then a firearm comes in handy. I just see them at different levels. Firearms can keep you alive. PM's can help you preserve wealth and make your life easier if TSHTF

S_Goldberg | 01-02-2009 10:48 AM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Dan (Post 1491426) Considering I came here from a gun forum to learn about PMs, I think the two are somehow strangely linked. A local gun store guy has actually sold me as much or more in PM's than he has in guns and ammo. The same personality type people who would buy PMs for a prep thing would also think of guns, food, water, and stocking up. IMO. Some how, I got my hands on the red pill and life has not been the same. I hardly ever even visit that gun forum any more. This place is the best I've found on the web, except maybe when it comes to computer issues. Plenty of geek forums out there for that.
But you don't have any legs Lt. Dan!!!!

Roland30 | 01-02-2009 02:01 PM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... In any crisis situation the most important tool you have is your brain. The second most important thing you have is your tool box filled with tools such as PM's, Firearms,food,training and all of your other preps. It's all the same thing really, theres no difference between a 1oz round or an AR15. Bolth represent power of the most basic nature. Why do you think TPTB throughout history have always tried to take thoes types of items from regular people?...Because they alone want that control...the power over life and death. It's all connected, it's all the same thing about who lives and who dies.

Mike C | 01-02-2009 08:36 PM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Roland30 (Post 1491824) In any crisis situation the most important tool you have is your brain. The second most important thing you have is your tool box filled with tools such as PM's, Firearms,food,training and all of your other preps. It's all the same thing really, theres no difference between a 1oz round or an AR15. Bolth represent power of the most basic nature. Why do you think TPTB throughout history have always tried to take thoes types of items from regular people?...Because they alone want that control...the power over life and death. It's all connected, it's all the same thing about who lives and who dies.
I think there is a big difference between an AR15 and a 1 ounce round. One will allow you to have whatever you need in an amergency situation, and one will allow you to flip it to the other guy with the AR15 in that same emergency situation. PM's are great when times are good, but a waste of space when it gets really bad. Guns are the opposite, and even hold their value when times are good as well.

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Maddie | 01-02-2009 09:05 PM
Re: Firearm forum more active than the PM forum.... There is an interesting link betweens guns and PMs. I think we're where two interests overlap. Certainly not everyone into guns is into PMs, nor is everyone who buys PMs into guns, although I think those of us who take physical possession of our PMS are usually also gunowners. Guns and PMs are both things that we hope offer some measure of security and autonomy. Those of us who care about those things also seem to gravitate toward preparedness because we're more sensitive to infringements upon our autonomy/liberty and our security and tend to be more alert to the possibility of increased infringement. My path: PMs and preparedness didn't lead me to guns. It was the other way around with me. I was into guns, then my gun friends and I got into survivalism when we were teenagers because we were all sort of already inclined to be that way, but we found out others were doing it, too, and that there was a name for it, so we got more organized. It was decades after that that I got into PMs and found Apmex. Finally, someone over on Frugal's Forum pointed me here. I probably would have gotten into buying PMs sooner, but I never really knew how to go about it. I've been into guns since I was a little girl and even today the preparedness factor is only a small part of that.

Dawg | 01-02-2009 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by reformed wastrel (Post 1488364) Indeed. I wonder if those who would disarm us have really sat down and thought about what it means to force us to choose between remaining law-abiding or between protecting ourselves and our loved ones. Do they really want to turn us into criminals? Really? Sure, many current gunowners will hang their heads and turn in their guns upon the first command of any passing-by "authority". But not all. And those that do not are the most passionate and committed of us. Those who seek to change the laws to seize our guns do not, I think, appreciate the respect that most gunowners have for the law. They don't understand our respect because they do not have respect for the law themselves. To them, laws are simply another weapon to use against their opponents. But it is only our respect for the law that enables them to use the law against us. We do not lose our respect for the law over an unjust speeding ticket, or a silly mow-your-yard ordinance. But a gun-seizure law would shatter our willingness to continue to obey the ink scratches on paper made by bribe-burdened whores in the capital buildings. Do they truly want all the passion, ingenuity, and sheer determination of so many turned against them, and their ideas of what society should be? Because once our respect for the concept of law goes, we won't be following the rules anymore. The best of us will leave our ideals of the laws behind, and be left with our ideas of JUSTICE. And I don't think they'll like our ideas of what justice is. Not even a little bit.
Just look at what happened after Katrina to get an idea what law abiding citizens will do if they come for the guns. Majority of people will give em up and just bitch. I am old and don't give two shits for life if Freedom is not in the equation. I have watched my freedoms diminish greatly since I came home from the Army in 1971 and I won't give up shit. I have always had a dog that would bark and bite the first person that comes through the door. The dog is intended to give me just enough time to grab iron and start shootin. I will die, but I will die a free man and I will do some hurtin on the invaders before I take my last breath.

Twisted Avatar | 01-03-2009 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dawg (Post 1492527) Just look at what happened after Katrina to get an idea what law abiding citizens will do if they come for the guns. Majority of people will give em up and just bitch.
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