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blueice | 11-21-2008 02:52 PM
Orange County CCP Goes Bad... Now it is we may issue rather than we must issue, thank you skank Madam She-riff. You do not even think for the benefit of your own sex. Shame, shame on you...May you and your pistol both have seizures.. http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/conceal...in-california/ In California, Orange County Sheriff Sandra Hutchens unveiled a new policy that could cause �dozens, if not hundreds,� of concealed carry permit holders to lose permits issued by the previous sheriff. Did these law-abiding Orange County citizens do anything illegal, immoral, or unethical to cost them their permits? No, they�ve merely fallen afoul of a sheriff that spent the bulk of her career as a deputy in the Los Angeles County prison system, and who apparently has issues with trusting those citizens she was appointed to serve. Hutchens� new policy requires that to get a concealed firearm permit, applicants must prove there is a legitimate threat to their safety and agree to undergo possible psychological, polygraph, or medical testing. There are just over three million people in Orange County, and just 1,100 concealed carry permits. By way of comparison, Wake County, NC, has a population of more than 787,000 and the sheriff has issued 6,593 valid concealed carry permits. Why the huge discrepancy from one part of the country to another? North Carolina is a �shall issue� state, meaning that all citizens who meet state-mandated requirements � which include proof of residency, being at least 21 years of age, submitting fingerprints, passing a State Bureau of Investigation background check, attending a certified handgun/firearms safety class, participating in a range check/qualification before a certified trainer, and paying a required fee � shall be issued a permit. So far, more than 100,000 North Carolinians have obtained their concealed carry permits in a population of 8.8 million. California, however, is a �may issue� state, meaning that individual sheriffs have a great deal of latitude in awarding permits based upon criteria they arbitrarily select. This means that in some areas such as San Francisco there is effectively no way to get a concealed carry permit, while Orange County had one of the more liberal issuance policies until Hutchens was selected on a 3-2 vote. Is it unfair to hold a California sheriff up to national scrutiny? While Orange County�s crackdown on justifying carry permits isn�t out of line with that of other restrictive California sheriffs, it does go against the grain of a steady national push towards more liberal concealed carry laws across the United States that began in Florida in 1987. To date, 37 states are now regarded as �shall issue� states, while nine are �may issue� and just two � Wisconsin and Illinois � are states with no provision for concealed carry at all. Two other states, Alaska and Vermont, have no restrictions on concealed carry and a permit is not required. The steady trend towards more liberal concealed carry is also tied to a reduction in violent crime, though a rise in property crimes. It may seem counterintuitive to some, but the presence of a firearm in the hands of a potential victim often prevents a violent crime from occurring. Hutchens� decision goes against the grain of liberalizing concealed carry laws in communities across the United States, and she is now encountering blowback from Orange County�s permit holders, including the 442 who have been sent letters saying that they have to justify keeping the permit they were issued by the previous sheriff. �There�s so much important stuff going on with the department, I didn�t expect there to be so much feedback on this,� she is quoted as saying. That Hutchens is surprised by the anger of the existing permit holders is a measure of how out of touch she is with her constituents. If Sheriff Hutchens� priority as a law enforcement official is to protect those citizens within her jurisdiction, then she is failing those she is sworn to protect. An ever-growing body of real-world evidence gathered across the United States shows that in areas both urban and rural, more liberal concealed carry laws reduce violent crime. By potentially reducing the number of permit holders by as much as half, Sheriff Hutchens can probably expect an increase in violent crimes in Orange County. Somehow, I don�t think that is what the citizens of Orange County were hoping for when they put her in charge.

Twisted Avatar | 11-21-2008 03:19 PM
Re: Orange County CCP Goes Bad... 1 Attachment(s) See what happens when you attempt to comply with the law??? The State appoints swine to make it all the more difficult for you. How I would love to smack the living daylights out of that elitist tramp. :s10::s10::s10:

koyaanisqatsi | 11-21-2008 06:42 PM
Re: Orange County CCP Goes Bad... I was in my gunshop this afternoon finalizing a purchase and the shop was crowded. I'm getting my conceal-to-carry permit in one of the 37 states where "shall issue" is the rule of law. I was struck by what California's "may issue" has apparently done already to suppress the number of persons LEGALLY carrying concealed. By my math it breaks down like this: "Shall issue" county in NC, 1 in 119 citizens is permitted to C-C. "May issue" county in CA, 1 in 2,727 citizens is permitted to C-C. The ratio of legally armed citizens who carry-concealed in North Carolina is about 23x that of California, by this approximation. Where would YOU feel safer? It appears what she is doing is to carry this "may issue" one step further still, to require some definition of immediate need, as a reason NOT to issue. I quote the article here, "Hutchens’ new policy requires that to get a concealed firearm permit, applicants must prove there is a legitimate threat to their safety and agree to undergo possible psychological, polygraph, or medical testing." Classes for conceal-to-carry in my area are filling up fast. The first session I could sign up for is Saturday, December 13th. I must pass the 8-hour class, shoot maybe 50 bullets, use my own pistol and strong-side holster, spend $90, have a complete criminal-mental background search, prove citizenship and be completely finger printed, up to 60-90 days wait -- and I'm good to go for 5 years until a renewal. To me it's like this; I NOW HAVE A RIGHT -- if I don't SEIZE and HOLD THAT RIGHT -- who would care if they ever took it away? If you try that in my state, the rule will piss-off about 23x as many permit holders per capita, I'm glad to say. I say do your part if you can and get permitted like I'm finally doing. I want to stand proud with some of you here, and take my right as NOW GRANTED in my state -- so they will have a harder time ever taking it away. Maybe like this...... http://assets.latimes.com/system/ass...24_preview.jpg:36_1_30: "I am a change agent," says the first woman to lead the county’s Sheriff’s Department. Sheriff Sandra Hutchens will oversee more than 4,000 employees and a budget of more than $700 million; most importantly, she will have the task of turning around a department tarnished by allegations of corruption, cronyism and a string of embarrassing scandals… http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun...me-ocsheriff11

Twisted Avatar | 11-21-2008 06:48 PM
Re: Orange County CCP Goes Bad... 2 Attachment(s) ................................

Tallships | 11-21-2008 07:02 PM
Re: Orange County CCP Goes Bad... Yes, the second amendment is the only "permit" you need.

ohioarmedneutrality | 11-21-2008 07:07 PM
Re: Orange County CCP Goes Bad... I'd like to know how many times in the last, say, 10 years, she's gone out and practiced with her issue sidearm. Police officers are supposed to do that, right, correct, huh, huh, huh?

koyaanisqatsi | 11-21-2008 07:46 PM
Re: Orange County CCP Goes Bad... I'm LMAO reading these comments to my clever analysis -- and I'm thinkin' YOU guys are 'bout the WILDEST bunch I ever could hang with! Cool! QA bunch of OUTLAWS ALL! But right now if I walk 1/2 mile in this "mixed" city neighborhood at night to get a pack of smokes or a cup of java, alone, I am AFRAID to carry a gun ... how ODD. With this permit, I'll carry. But I'm sure all men in my distant family have 'carried' if they 'needed to' regardless of the laws. I see your point and you ARE RIGHT, correct! But meanwhile, remember THIS North Carolina Sheriff of old? http://www.morethings.com/fan/andy_g...griffith15.jpg:ok::applause_ Sheriff Andy Taylor had no gun. His shakey deputy Barny had just ONE bullet. Maybe it was because -- in his state one in 119 men, women, children, infants, geriatrics, mental deficients, handicapped citizens, everydamnbody -- was packin' their own HEAT. I like that feeling... let's bring them back! Except we NEED SHERIFF ANDY TAYLOR. There are more citizen's guns on the street in my town than police guns at any moment, by my estimation. I'm just funnin' with you guys, and I LEARN a lot from talkin with ya, thanks! But I think I'm gonna get my permit anyway and just CARRY LEGAL rather than worry. They'll still have to take my gun away, and that's 2nd ammendment ... I want to carry on the streets. But I'm open and thinkin...

Tallships | 11-21-2008 08:32 PM
Re: Orange County CCP Goes Bad... You Tube
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get one of these. The cops wont even know its a gun if you get searched.

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 11-21-2008 08:43 PM
Re: Orange County CCP Goes Bad... Quote:
Originally Posted by koyaanisqatsi (Post 1429069) I'm LMAO reading these comments to my clever analysis -- and I'm thinkin' YOU guys are 'bout the WILDEST bunch I ever could hang with! Cool! QA bunch of OUTLAWS ALL! But right now if I walk 1/2 mile in this "mixed" city neighborhood at night to get a pack of smokes or a cup of java, alone, I am AFRAID to carry a gun ... how ODD. With this permit, I'll carry. But I'm sure all men in my distant family have 'carried' if they 'needed to' regardless of the laws. I see your point and you ARE RIGHT, correct! But meanwhile, remember THIS North Carolina Sheriff of old? http://www.morethings.com/fan/andy_g...griffith15.jpg:ok::applause_ Sheriff Andy Taylor had no gun. His shakey deputy Barny had just ONE bullet. Maybe it was because -- in his state one in 119 men, women, children, infants, geriatrics, mental deficients, handicapped citizens, everydamnbody -- was packin' their own HEAT. I like that feeling... let's bring them back! Except we NEED SHERIFF ANDY TAYLOR. There are more citizen's guns on the street in my town than police guns at any moment, by my estimation. I'm just funnin' with you guys, and I LEARN a lot from talkin with ya, thanks! But I think I'm gonna get my permit anyway and just CARRY LEGAL rather than worry. They'll still have to take my gun away, and that's 2nd ammendment ... I want to carry on the streets. But I'm open and thinkin...
With a permit, you're carrying legally. Without one, you're carrying lawfully. A beautiful post, you wrote. I dig it.

buff01 | 11-21-2008 11:22 PM
Re: Orange County CCP Goes Bad... I wouldn't shed a tear if that sheriff was taken out. She is preventing millions from protecting themselves, as is their natural right.

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