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optimestic1 | 12-05-2008 02:11 PM
Obama will tax ownership of handguns? A couple nights ago on George Noory's Coast to Coast AM program, a guy names Steve Quayle said that Obama and his people have a plan to tax people for the handguns they own by using the yellow form that we fill out when making the purchase. He said that if a person claimed to have sold the gun, they would have to provide a receipt in order to avoid the tax. I don't know much about Steve Quayle or what happens to the yellow form we fill out (he says they are used for certain purposes, even though they aren't supposed to be), or how this plan might be implemented, but has anyone here heard about this? Do you think it's something that could really be done?

<SLV> | 12-05-2008 02:18 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? They do it with cars. All they need is gun registration. That is the real purpose of registration -- restriction and taxation. About Steve Quayle: http://www.stevequayle.com/ He is out there a little bit, but sometimes he really makes sense.

StrawMan=Corporation | 12-05-2008 02:19 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Ahhh a new violation of the Constitution, Taxing a Constitutional Right ? a big WTF Quote:
Originally Posted by optimestic1 (Post 1451402) A couple nights ago on George Noory's Coast to Coast AM program, a guy names Steve Quayle said that Obama and his people have a plan to tax people for the handguns they own by using the yellow form that we fill out when making the purchase. He said that if a person claimed to have sold the gun, they would have to provide a receipt in order to avoid the tax. I don't know much about Steve Quayle or what happens to the yellow form we fill out (he says they are used for certain purposes, even though they aren't supposed to be), or how this plan might be implemented, but has anyone here heard about this? Do you think it's something that could really be done?
The difference between taxing cars and gun ownership as I see it is the 2nd Amendment is a right to bear arms. The car taxes are able to be charged as the Right to travel isn't a direct right like the 2nd is. Its based on liberty and hence is controlled and taxed by the individual states. Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1451409) They do it with cars. All they need is gun registration. That is the real purpose of registration -- restriction and taxation. About Steve Quayle: http://www.stevequayle.com/ He is out there a little bit, but sometimes he really makes sense.

SilverCity | 12-05-2008 02:19 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Quote:
Originally Posted by optimestic1 (Post 1451402) A couple nights ago on George Noory's Coast to Coast AM program, a guy names Steve Quayle said that Obama and his people have a plan to tax people for the handguns they own by using the yellow form that we fill out when making the purchase. He said that if a person claimed to have sold the gun, they would have to provide a receipt in order to avoid the tax. I don't know much about Steve Quayle or what happens to the yellow form we fill out (he says they are used for certain purposes, even though they aren't supposed to be), or how this plan might be implemented, but has anyone here heard about this? Do you think it's something that could really be done?
I don't see how they could enforce this since there is no law now requiring anyone to obtain or keep any receipt from a sale of a firearm. Seems it is more rumor and fear mongering at this point than anything else.

Abouthadit | 12-05-2008 02:20 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? There is already legislation at the state level to tax ammo. If you are not on your state rep's case, you should be. http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm Molon Labe'

optimestic1 | 12-05-2008 02:43 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Quote:
Originally Posted by Abouthadit (Post 1451425) There is already legislation at the state level to tax ammo. If you are not on your state rep's case, you should be. http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm Molon Labe'
Quayle did mention about the taxation of ammo, but said they would go after the handguns themselves first because of them being so much portable and concealable than long guns. I guess they want to do this, and then make more people own long guns instead since they are not easily hidden.

budfox | 12-05-2008 02:51 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Quote:
Originally Posted by optimestic1 (Post 1451402) A couple nights ago on George Noory's Coast to Coast AM program, a guy names Steve Quayle said that Obama and his people have a plan to tax people for the handguns they own by using the yellow form that we fill out when making the purchase. He said that if a person claimed to have sold the gun, they would have to provide a receipt in order to avoid the tax. I don't know much about Steve Quayle or what happens to the yellow form we fill out (he says they are used for certain purposes, even though they aren't supposed to be), or how this plan might be implemented, but has anyone here heard about this? Do you think it's something that could really be done?
That won't apply to me. I don't have any.

optimestic1 | 12-05-2008 02:59 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Quote:
Originally Posted by budfox (Post 1451484) That won't apply to me. I don't have any.
If you actually do, you'll have to prove you don't.

igorthesmall | 12-05-2008 03:00 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? So how is someone who sold all their guns years ago going to prove it? Are they going to just tax them because they didnt get a receipt 20 years ago? Not that I dont think the gun grabbers would think this is a great plan, but I personally dont see it happening. Probably we will see mandatory registration first.

Juristic Person | 12-05-2008 03:11 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Quote:
Originally Posted by optimestic1 (Post 1451494) If you actually do, you'll have to prove you don't.
How do you prove that you don't have something? .

mk3hunter | 12-05-2008 03:13 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? I would like them to just try it 2010 is coming The dems got killed after the first AW ban

Juristic Person | 12-05-2008 03:13 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Quote:
Originally Posted by optimestic1 (Post 1451402) A couple nights ago on George Noory's Coast to Coast AM program, a guy names Steve Quayle said that Obama and his people have a plan to tax people for the handguns they own by using the yellow form that we fill out when making the purchase. He said that if a person claimed to have sold the gun, they would have to provide a receipt in order to avoid the tax. I don't know much about Steve Quayle or what happens to the yellow form we fill out (he says they are used for certain purposes, even though they aren't supposed to be), or how this plan might be implemented, but has anyone here heard about this? Do you think it's something that could really be done?
This is why you buy private and pay cash. This is also why I don't have a CCW permit. You're a target if you're on a list. But as long as private sales are legal, you can claim private sale. If they want a receipt of sale and you can't find it, reprint it. :wink: .

budfox | 12-05-2008 03:14 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Quote:
Originally Posted by optimestic1 (Post 1451494) If you actually do, you'll have to prove you don't.
Huh?:confused_m:

Atahualpa | 12-05-2008 03:19 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? This is just speculative fear mongering. The modern political reality is messing around with gun owners is political suicide...this was proven during Clinton's first term, during the mid-term election when the Dems lost both houses of Congress over guns...BillyBob got religion from that experience. Since then, guns have not been an issue politicians want to cross (except for maybe NYC and Mass.). There are now 39 states with 'will issue' concealed carry laws and most of these states have reciprocal laws also. The Supreme Court ruling on the 2nd made the issue even more hazardous for politicians to cross. Castle Doctrine laws in Texas have pushed the goal posts out even further. People are more insecure now than ever, and gun grabbing will get a politician kicked out quicker than anything.

StrawMan=Corporation | 12-05-2008 03:30 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Do you still beat your wife ? How would you prove that you dont. Quote:
Originally Posted by optimestic1 (Post 1451494) If you actually do, you'll have to prove you don't.

budfox | 12-05-2008 03:34 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by StrawMan=Corporation (Post 1451549) Do you still beat your wife ? How would you prove that you dont.
This guy doesn't stand a chnace.

B4ITS2L8 | 12-05-2008 03:40 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Guns? What guns?

Juristic Person | 12-05-2008 03:54 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Quote:
Originally Posted by B4ITS2L8 (Post 1451566) Guns? What guns?
Ha! Nice to see that somebody was paying attention! ----> http://goldismoney.info/forums/showp...48&postcount=3 .

Big_Rob | 12-05-2008 04:27 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Taken from Obamas own website like 2 minutes ago...This should answer your question http://change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy_agenda/ Quote:
Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

ohioarmedneutrality | 12-05-2008 06:05 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Don't act surprised when Oblahma, in conjunction with the libs in Congress, enact anti-firearms legislation in a sneaky, backdoor way, possibly as part of some "Homeland Security" ruse. We may not even know about it until it has already passed and is on its way to the White House for signing. If we know about it in advance, they know we're more likely to raise heck about it. No representative or senator likes getting thousands of letters and emails and phone calls telling them what they, and the horse they rode in on, can do.

californiaprospector | 12-05-2008 07:43 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Quote:
Originally Posted by B4ITS2L8 (Post 1451566) Guns? What guns?
That will get you a charge of "lying to a peace officer / Federal agent." That charge alone, even without any firearms convictions, will result in prison. The correct answer to any question from any cop is this: (in other words, NOTHING - "I have nothing to say," "No Comment," etc.)

Doge | 12-05-2008 07:45 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? I can't believe I am sitting here seeing people underestimate the federal government on a gun forum. Don't put anything past those people. Just look at how badly they have damaged this country in other areas and they have already severely restricted gun rights enough as it is.

Twisted Avatar | 12-05-2008 08:26 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? I really dont care......... these pricks can kiss my silver @$$ All my life I tried to comply with the rule of law because it was understood the laws were there to make it safer for everybody. But I now see they only exist to criminalize ,make illegal normal behavior and punish people who are not looking for trouble. Whatever they pass.......... I WILL NOT COMPLY and if that makes me a outlaw........ so be it .........and if they ever try to take what I have I promise SOMEBODY is going to be very sorry that day. My Momma told me: WHEN THE LAW BREAKS COMMON SENSE.......... YOU BREAK THE LAW. My Momma is ALWAYS RIGHT. T

TLM | 12-05-2008 10:45 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Quote:
Originally Posted by Juristic Person (Post 1451517) How do you prove that you don't have something? .
Mandatory home and body cavity search. :moon:

ImaCannin | 12-05-2008 10:55 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? I dare ya! Attachment 58620

wallew | 12-05-2008 11:45 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Under CRIME AND LAW ENFORCEMENT Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent. That would be us - the 'illegal arms trade'. Almost at the bottom of the link provided by Big_Rob: http://change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy_agenda/ Plus you need to realize this is his idea in the first place. Remember his only bill he authored in the Senate was SB 2433 listed below. ---- UPDATE: The United States Senate may vote any day on the stealth imposition of what could amount to an $845 BILLION United Nations style global tax on American citizens? It's called the Global Poverty Act (S.2433), and it is being sponsored by none other than Senator Barack Obama. According to some conservative sources, this disastrous legislation could eventually force U.S. taxpayers to fork over as much as 0.7 percent of the nation's Gross Domestic Product -- or $845,000,000,000.00 -- on welfare to third-world countries. The Global Poverty Act intentionally gives no specific figures but it does contain clues, and those clues are stated repeatedly in the legislation's reliance on the United Nations Millennium Development Goal. "The bill defines the term 'Millennium Development Goals' as the goals set out in the United Nations Millennium Declaration..." "In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that declaration commits nations to banning 'small arms and light weapons' (end of the 2nd Amendment) and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty (all our Supreme Court rulings must pass through The Hague in Belguim), the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention on Biological Diversity (end of private land ownership), the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, and the Convention on the Rights of the Child." As for specific figures: "Those U.N. protocols would make U.S. law on issues ranging from the 2nd Amendment to energy usage and parental rights all subservient to United Nations whims." "The legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which over 13 years... would amount to $845 billion 'over and above what the U.S. already spends.'" "The plan passed the House in 2007 'because most members didn't realize what was in it.' Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require." And, how would the United States pay for this $845 BILLION commitment? According to Kincaid, who published a report on the legislation; "A global tax will clearly be necessary to force American taxpayers to provide the money." And that $845 BILLION global tax is in addition to our nation's current Foreign Aid programs, which, in 2006, cost American taxpayers about $300 BILLION!

optimestic1 | 12-06-2008 02:15 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Quote:
Originally Posted by budfox (Post 1451523) Huh?:confused_m:
Well, in the interview with Steve Quayle that I originally referred to, he said that if they produce the yellow form indicating that you made the handgun purchase, you will be assumed to still own it unless you can produce a receipt showing that you have sold it to someone else.

Twisted Avatar | 12-06-2008 02:21 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Quote:
Originally Posted by optimestic1 (Post 1452800) Well, in the interview with Steve Quayle that I originally referred to, he said that if they produce the yellow form indicating that you made the handgun purchase, you will be assumed to still own it unless you can produce a receipt showing that you have sold it to someone else.
Nothing that lazer copy printer and photoshop program cant fix T

optimestic1 | 12-06-2008 02:53 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1452806) Nothing that lazer copy printer and photoshop program cant fix T
Yeah, I know. I guess a receipt could be just about any handwritten paper with the "buyer's" signature saying that "he" is now its new owner.

ohioarmedneutrality | 12-07-2008 12:24 AM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? I sold all my firearms years ago to some guy named Turd Ferguson. Had a really, really big foam cowboy hat. And a mustache.

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bwelkk | 12-07-2008 02:03 AM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Wow, looks like gun owners are in for some trouble, I'm glad I lost all MY guns in that tragic boating accident. http://www.agfc.com/!userfiles/galle...ccident_md.jpg

mk3hunter | 12-07-2008 02:55 AM
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I really dont care......... these pricks can kiss my silver @$$ All my life I tried to comply with the rule of law because it was understood the laws were there to make it safer for everybody. But I know see they are there only crimminalize ,make illegal normal behavior and punish people who are not looking for trouble. Whatever they pass.......... I WILL NOT COMPLY and if that makes me a outlaw so be it and if they every try to take what I have I promise SOMEBODY is going to be very sorry on that day. My Momma told me: WHEN THE LAW BREAKS COMMON SENSE.......... YOU BREAK THE LAW. My Momma is ALWAYS RIGHT.
everyday I am falling into this camp. And I am perfectly happy with it....I have no regrets.

Spectrism | 12-07-2008 11:46 AM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? They can require that all guns be childproof by: removing all firing pins locking (permanently) trigger mechanisms requiring all barrels to be filled with metallic or durable bond epoxy requiring all firearms to be locked AT ALL TIMES in a safe with an unknown combination store all firearms at local police station (for fee) :wink:

StrawMan=Corporation | 12-07-2008 11:56 AM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Not unless Heller is overturned. Quote:
Originally Posted by Spectrism (Post 1453871) They can require that all guns be childproof by: removing all firing pins locking (permanently) trigger mechanisms requiring all barrels to be filled with metallic or durable bond epoxy requiring all firearms to be locked AT ALL TIMES in a safe with an unknown combination store all firearms at local police station (for fee) :wink:

sky | 12-07-2008 12:18 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? The demos/obama (if he is sworn in illegally) will put a massive stimulus package together to save--(not) our country, and along with it the death blow bill to tear apart our Second Amendment. This all smells of merry old England, in the government now, and will feel like zimbabwe, thus, the second revolutionary war or secession...

Juristic Person | 12-07-2008 02:05 PM
Re: Obama will tax ownership of handguns? Quote:
Originally Posted by TLM (Post 1452145) Mandatory home and body cavity search. :moon:
How do you know you were thorough enough in your search if you don't find what you are looking for? .

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