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EE_ | 08-22-2009 10:38 AM
How many Glock 19 owners? I've been working too much...think it'll make me feel better to get a G19 for my labor. You Tube
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Juandisimo | 08-22-2009 11:28 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? For target practice my 19 is by far my favorite Glock. My favorite pistol of all time is my 4 1/2" Ruger Security Six, I am surgical with my Ruger. Shooting a double action revolver greatly improves accuracy with all other pistols.

medfojo | 08-22-2009 12:21 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Hk USP. Slightly more money, far better weapon than glock. Plus there are no ka-boom worries. Google glock kaboom.

sirgonzo420 | 08-22-2009 12:35 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? I like mine. :ok:

Cassius | 08-22-2009 12:49 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? I have one.

Bx3 | 08-22-2009 01:04 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Nothing sooths the soul like a new firearm. A G19 is one of if not THE finest pistols ever designed. Bx3 HKs KABOOM with the best of them. http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/hk-kb.html and it's not the only one.

SilverCity | 08-22-2009 01:04 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by medfojo (Post 1880827) Hk USP. Slightly more money, far better weapon than glock. Plus there are no ka-boom worries. Google glock kaboom.
Misleading information from Glock haters (Dean Speir, for one). I own numerous Glocks. Vast majority of KBs are attributed to overuse of lead bullets without periodic maintenance, bad reloads, overworked brass, GUNSHOW RELOADS--and anything can kaboom with overpressure. Pay attention to what the hell you are doing... HK Tactical 45 anyone?

LukeNM | 08-22-2009 01:12 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? "ka-boom" maybe in a a Glock .40, if you shoot reloads in cases that were bulged from being fired from the stock barrel and you have resized and reloaded that same brass several times. I do not believe new factory ammo has ever been an issue in any Glock.

buff01 | 08-22-2009 01:49 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? The G19 qualifies as a "must have" piece of hardware IMO.

Operation Grief | 08-22-2009 02:15 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Nope. Glock 20.

<SLV> | 08-22-2009 02:18 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by medfojo (Post 1880827) Hk USP. Slightly more money, far better weapon than glock. Plus there are no ka-boom worries. Google glock kaboom.
Only the .40s have that problem with reloaded brass. The HK has the trigger pull of a staple gun. G19 is a superior weapon - even if it has the aesthetics and ergonomics of a 2x4.

HiHoSilver64 | 08-22-2009 02:23 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Yes my very first Glock was a G19. At the time is was the most compact weapon the time that carried 15 rounds in the magazine. At the time I thought this thing is ugly but it's all business. I also have: G23 G24 G24c G35 most accurate .40 I have ever shot bare none. G29 my woods gun loaded with full throttle Double Tap loads G30 G21 G22 G26 G27 I'm Glock heavy :ok:

Operation Grief | 08-22-2009 02:29 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by HiHoSilver64 (Post 1880955) G29 my woods gun loaded with full throttle Double Tap loads
Good ammo. I've got more coming in next week. (230gr. Equalizer is wild.)

EdwardG | 08-22-2009 02:29 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? I've never liked the "feel" of a 19. It's competitors imo have better ergonomics. The 17 is much better, but bigger.

EE_ | 08-22-2009 02:40 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Through my life, I've been through a number of different handguns and calibers. There are many great guns out there, but at this point in my life, I've refined my taste to a select few. I no longer need variety when it comes to firearms. I think some of you will find the same eventually. With society breaking down, needing to rely on a firearm for protection and defense, I choose the most proven designs in like calibers. I don't care for all the stuff and different ammo needed to maintain different types of weapons. I don't need a jewel like weapon to show off to friends, like some rolex watch. I want strickly business hardwear! Simple/minimal parts, ultra-reliable, durable, cost effective, accurate, concealable, and common. The Glock is at the top of the heap, with the G26 and (soon to own)--> G19 being my favorite. I'm not a competition shooter, nor do I hunt often. I won't make fun or put down other's choices. Shoot what you like!

ruprick | 08-22-2009 02:43 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? For me , the 17 is the ultimate, holstered end of the world pistol. 9mm is plenty of power....and I did not want to add 40 S&W....otherwise the 40 is better. I have 2 19's and 2 17's.....and a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 that uses the G17 mags. I only view the Glocks as fighting pistols.....no target work due to the trigger and they really are not up to target accuracy work. Target shooting requires target gun. Glocks are for fighting. I feel they are the very best SHTF gun. G19 just feels right.....G17 is a litle too big = more like a police gun. G19 can be CCW carried in a holster....in my experience that are about as large as you can reasonably carry. Overall I prefer a pocket 380 for CCW. If I could only own 1 Glock - it would be the G19....or the 40 S&W equiv would be even better for a only 1 gun possibility....that said...you can get a 9mm+P...the S&W is pretty much allready a +P round. 9mm +P is a 400 ft-lb cartridge! Thats plenty of power.

jedemdasseine | 08-22-2009 03:02 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? I typically keep my thoughts regarding firearms to myself and don't post in this subforum, but I've had great experiences with the 19. One of my favorites!

medfojo | 08-22-2009 03:48 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1880947) Only the .40s have that problem with reloaded brass. The HK has the trigger pull of a staple gun. G19 is a superior weapon - even if it has the aesthetics and ergonomics of a 2x4.
Yes the da trigger pull is heavy, which is desirable. The sa trigger pull is very light which is also desirable. Are you comparing a DA trigger pull to a safe action trigger pull? If so, please reconsider as it is an invalid comparison. And glocks are very cheaply made weapons. They are popular only because of hype. As far as quality/accuracy/reliability hk is miles above glock I had a glock for a few years and sold it because I realized that they aren't very good weapons. True, any gun can kaboom but ir is much more frequent with glocks. Why? Because the chamber walls are really thin.

medfojo | 08-22-2009 04:22 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Here is a nice picture comparing chamber support. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...rSupport-1.jpg

<SLV> | 08-22-2009 05:45 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by medfojo (Post 1881048) Yes the da trigger pull is heavy, which is desirable. The sa trigger pull is very light which is also desirable. Are you comparing a DA trigger pull to a safe action trigger pull? If so, please reconsider as it is an invalid comparison. And glocks are very cheaply made weapons. They are popular only because of hype. As far as quality/accuracy/reliability hk is miles above glock I had a glock for a few years and sold it because I realized that they aren't very good weapons. True, any gun can kaboom but ir is much more frequent with glocks. Why? Because the chamber walls are really thin.
I hot a couple mags through an HK and couldn't stand it. The trigger overtravel and hard pull made the groups twice as large as a G19. However, the best 9 is definately the CZ P-01. Nothing is even close. It is heavier than the Glock, but it is the differance between a Toyota and a BMW.

CrufflerJJ | 08-22-2009 06:06 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by EE_ (Post 1880716) I've been working too much...think it'll make me feel better to get a G19 for my labor.
Ahhh, yes....Retail Therapy. I love it! :clap2:

medfojo | 08-22-2009 06:38 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
I hot a couple mags through an HK and couldn't stand it. The trigger overtravel and hard pull made the groups twice as large as a G19.
you must be talking about The LEM. If you are looking for a safe action style pistol the glock might be a better choice. I favor SA/DA style weapons, for a host of reasons.

<SLV> | 08-22-2009 08:24 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by medfojo (Post 1881214) you must be talking about The LEM. If you are looking for a safe action style pistol the glock might be a better choice. I favor SA/DA style weapons, for a host of reasons.
The one I shot was issued by the DHS to my friend who is a commercial pilot. Is that the "LEM"?

Absintheur | 08-22-2009 08:43 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by medfojo (Post 1880827) Hk USP. Slightly more money, far better weapon than glock. Plus there are no ka-boom worries. Google glock kaboom.
Oh really? :sarc: http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z.../uspblowup.jpg btw...that is, or was, my USP and those are my hands pre-stitches. USP's have been known to go ka-boom. There was a funny point to all this. I sent the USP in to H&K, three months later I attended the Armorers School there. During the class they passed my USP around...I made the comment "Now I know what is taking so long to get it back"...a new gun was waiting for me when I got home... My Glock 19 is a 2 letter gun, been used but myself as well as coountless students...still fine...

medfojo | 08-22-2009 08:45 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1881313) The one I shot was issued by the DHS to my friend who is a commercial pilot. Is that the "LEM"?
Probably. The way to know for sure is if it didn't have a hammer then it was an LEM.

medfojo | 08-22-2009 08:52 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by Absintheur (Post 1881332) Oh really? :sarc: http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z.../uspblowup.jpg btw...that is, or was, my USP and those are my hands pre-stitches. USP's have been known to go ka-boom. There was a funny point to all this. I sent the USP in to H&K, three months later I attended the Armorers School there. During the class they passed my USP around...I made the comment "Now I know what is taking so long to get it back"...a new gun was waiting for me when I got home...
glocks kaboom much more frequently. Any idea what caused your usp to kaboom? Do you trust your new usp? I think I would have some serious worries if that happened to me.

Absintheur | 08-22-2009 09:00 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Actually there are more Glock ka-booms because there are far more Glocks out there than USPs, percentage wise they are similar in numbers of ka-booms, at least that is what I was told by a writer who investigated it in depth. I sold the USP while it was NIB in my shop...don't remember what I bought to replace it. I have owned other 40's and I still love my P7M8...just didn't want another USP...lol.

Bx3 | 08-22-2009 09:16 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by Absintheur (Post 1881364) Actually there are more Glock ka-booms because there are far more Glocks out there than USPs, percentage wise they are similar in numbers of ka-booms,
+1 This is a convenient fact that most can't seem to grasp. Since there are twice as many Glocks out there, there are twice as many problems. It's not rocket science.:confused_ma:

medfojo | 08-22-2009 10:14 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by Absintheur (Post 1881364) Actually there are more Glock ka-booms because there are far more Glocks out there than USPs, percentage wise they are similar in numbers of ka-booms, at least that is what I was told by a writer who investigated it in depth. I sold the USP while it was NIB in my shop...don't remember what I bought to replace it. I have owned other 40's and I still love my P7M8...just didn't want another USP...lol.
I was told by someone who studied the subject in depth that glocks kaboom at a higher rate because the chamber walls are thin. Not rocket science. Glock = Hollywood hype for the most part.

HiHoSilver64 | 08-22-2009 11:37 PM
G26 vs. G19 FWIW back when I had a regular job and had free time I did up to 3 regional Glock sponsored GSSF shoots per year. It turns out that the felt recoil on the G26 subcompact 9mm really does seem less than the G19. My scores, shooting times and general accuracy is better with the G26 than with the G19.

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SilverCity | 08-23-2009 12:02 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by medfojo (Post 1881478) I was told by someone who studied the subject in depth that glocks kaboom at a higher rate because the chamber walls are thin. Not rocket science. Glock = Hollywood hype for the most part.
Don't know why I bother... Who told you that exactly? Show us measurements. And why do 70% of Law Enforcement and Govt agencies carry Glocks? Most in 40 caliber. I guess it's a Hollywood conspiracy to kill off all the cops... And thin chamber walls? Bullshit. If anything its the aggressively throated chamber. Thats where most all pistols tend to blow out--at 6 o'clock--because thats where the cartridge is least supported. Get a clue...

EE_ | 08-23-2009 12:07 AM
Re: G26 vs. G19 Quote:
Originally Posted by HiHoSilver64 (Post 1881570) FWIW back when I had a regular job and had free time I did up to 3 regional Glock sponsored GSSF shoots per year. It turns out that the felt recoil on the G26 subcompact 9mm really does seem less than the G19. My scores, shooting times and general accuracy is better with the G26 than with the G19.
The G26 is a phenomenal piece, and I bet you would be hard pressed to find one that went Ka Boom with factory ammo including +P.

Bx3 | 08-23-2009 12:32 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by medfojo (Post 1881478) I was told by someone who studied the subject in depth that glocks kaboom at a higher rate because the chamber walls are thin. Not rocket science. Glock = Hollywood hype for the most part.
Proof that there is nothing like the uninformed educating the uninformed. In fact what you may be trying to say is that the Glock has less chamber support (6 o'clock position) than many other pistol brands (HK also has less support than many other brands). This is correct to some extent but is a non issue when shooting new factory ammo. This is also one of the design features that makes the Glock one of the most reliable pistol designs in history. AK reliable. What you mostly end up with is called a Glock smile which is a small bulge on the part of the casing that was at the 6 o'clock position in the chamber. Not an issue unless you are reloading the same shell casings over and over again which I would not recommend. Are Glocks perfect? There is no such thing. Are some people biased and ignorant when it comes to facts? That is obvious. Since you have already identified yourself as representing both positions and thus have nothing more to offer this post you should go start your own anti-Glock thread (that would be original). And no, my opinions are not based on incorrect second hand information but real world experience....and I also stayed at a Holiday In last night. Bx3 :bulride:

mightymanx | 08-23-2009 12:44 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? I love my glock 19 carried it for 15 years now and have about 50,000 rounds through it literally. Most pistols wear out around the 10,000-30,000 mark I have worn out and broken 5 Beretta M-9's from the practice drills we do the locking blocks crack or the frame does. I have shot the HK USP's and they are a nice firearm but have way to many bells and whistles and the ergonomics sucked. Pistols are to fight your way to a rifle, so reliable with no frills is the way I like to go. So the glock 19 is the perfect compact pistol to me.

jc7622 | 08-23-2009 02:50 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? I bought my 9mm Glock back in 1988. So far so good.

medfojo | 08-23-2009 09:21 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Bx3 watches too many movies and has been bitten by the Hollywood glock hype. Not to worry, millions of Americans fall into the same trap with all sorts of products. Oh well, it is just the nature of our consumer based society.

Absintheur | 08-23-2009 09:48 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Actually Bx3 is correct. The chamber walls on the Glocks don't fail, the unsupported portion of the brass does. This is a problem seen mostly with the 40s, not the nines, and a result of warrm handloads particularly those loaded with Accurate #2 and heavy bullets. Frank James has researched this fairly heavily and has written several articles on the ka-booms and this is the conclusions he reached as well. Mine was the first USP ka-boom that occurred (according to H&K) and resulted in Accurate Powders revising their loading data. If it is a worry to you and you want for some reason to handload 40 S&W and use Accurate pwder with 180 bullets then buy a Barstow barrel, they do support more af the brass.

ruprick | 08-23-2009 10:04 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? I need to make a slight correction to what I said earlier regarding 40S&W vs 9mm Pressures......The 9mm and 40s&w have exactly the same cartridge pressures of 35,000 PSI.......yet you can buy the 9mm +P at 38,500. I do not know about the barrel chamber wall thickness of say a Glock in 40 vs. 9mm.....I'd imagine that for the same barrel O.D. you can have more chamber wall in the 9mm....thus greater chamber strength. Also, in regard to stress on the wall of the brass cartridge...if unsupported.....and assuming the same brass wall thickness....the hoop stress would be greater on the larger diameter 40s&w over that of the 9mm. For reference.....35,000 PSI is a crap load of pressure for handguns...more than 12,500 PSI greater than a 38 spl.....thats why these are both very high performance cartridges. 35,000 is 357 mag country. According to the official C.I.P. (Commission Internationale Permanente Pour L'Epreuve Des Armes A Feu Portatives) guidelines the 9x19mm Parabellum case can handle up to 235 MPa (34,083 psi) piezo pressure. In C.I.P. regulated countries every pistol cartridge combo has to be proofed at 130% of this maximum C.I.P. pressure to certify for sale to consumers. The SAAMI pressure limit for the 9x19mm Parabellum is set at 241.32 MPa (35,000 psi), piezo pressure.[9] The SAAMI pressure limit for the 9x19 mm Parabellum +P is set at 265.45 MPa (38,500 psi), piezo pressure. According to the official C.I.P. (Commission Internationale Permanente Pour L'Epreuve Des Armes A Feu Portative) guidelines the .40 S&W case can handle up to 225 MPa (32,633 psi) piezo pressure. In C.I.P. regulated countries every pistol cartridge combo has to be proofed at 130% of this maximum C.I.P. pressure to certify for sale to consumers. The SAAMI pressure limit for the .40 S&W is set at 241.32 MPa (35,000 psi), piezo pressure.[6]

medfojo | 08-23-2009 10:27 AM
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EE_ | 08-23-2009 10:35 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? http://listverse.files.wordpress.com...ghead.jpg.jpeg Quote:
Originally Posted by medfojo (Post 1881875) http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/r...glockworks.gif
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medfojo | 08-23-2009 10:37 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by Absintheur (Post 1881836) Actually Bx3 is correct. The chamber walls on the Glocks don't fail, the unsupported portion of the brass does.
Oh really? http://www.leverguns.com/articles/ta...ges/glock4.jpg http://www.pishtov.com/Glock/PicG-g22boom.jpg http://www.gsldefensetraining.com/co...lockkaboom.jpg http://www.pishtov.com/Glock/busted_glock6.jpg http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2803/pics018ew1.jpg http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9000/pics005oz9.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_B-UsXYlocG...320/kaboom.jpg Remember kids, Glock chamber walls do NOT fail. :23_30_104:

Doge | 08-23-2009 10:38 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by EE_ (Post 1880716) I've been working too much...think it'll make me feel better to get a G19 for my labor.
Awesome. Hope you enjoy it. We need more pistols in the hands of the good guys.

Absintheur | 08-23-2009 11:28 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? The chamber walls normally fail because the case failed first. It is secondary damage. In the few incidents of chambers failing it has been due to over loaded reloads or, extremely rarely, a bad factory round. No one has even proven a chamber failure that was not caused by the ammo.

Bx3 | 08-23-2009 01:47 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by medfojo (Post 1881823) Bx3 watches too many movies and has been bitten by the Hollywood glock hype. Not to worry, millions of Americans fall into the same trap with all sorts of products. Oh well, it is just the nature of our consumer based society.
Wow, you found some pictures on the internet of exploded Glocks (not all of them with factory barrels btw). That does it, I'm going to sell all of mine since they are sooooo dangerous. Which one would you er um I mean....... Quote:
I was told by someone who studied the subject in depth
(Dean Speir) recommend? I can find pictures of every manufactured rifle and pistol in the history of man that has failed in some way shape or form. But I digress....... I have a couple of questions, sincere questions. How old are you? (I would bet you are a teenager or a twenty-thirty something still living at home). How many hours did you waste on the internet hunting for inconsequential pictures of exploded Glocks in your obsession to prove us all wrong? (I would say at least two...thats two hours you could have been doing something productive with your life but now you will never get them back. ha-ha!) Do you actually own any firearms or have any personal experiences that has helped to shape your opinion? Or is this all from this guy... Quote:
I was told by someone who studied the subject in depth
(Dean Speir). And no, playing computer video games doesn't count (damn). And finally.....yes I must ask......really......WHY ARE YOU A TROLL?:rofl::4_1_72: Thats it, I am done. Have fun EE with ONE OF THE FINEST PISTOLS EVER DESIGNED.....YES....THE GLOCK 19!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:beer:

medfojo | 08-23-2009 02:10 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx3 (Post 1882042) Wow, you found some pictures on the internet of exploded Glocks (not all of them with factory barrels btw). That does it, I'm going to sell all of mine since they are sooooo dangerous. Which one would you er um I mean....... (Dean Speir) recommend? I can find pictures of every manufactured rifle and pistol in the history of man that has failed in some way shape or form. But I digress....... I have a couple of questions, sincere questions. How old are you? (I would bet you are a teenager or a twenty-thirty something still living at home). How many hours did you waste on the internet hunting for inconsequential pictures of exploded Glocks in your obsession to prove us all wrong? (I would say at least two...thats two hours you could have been doing something productive with your life but now you will never get them back. ha-ha!) Do you actually own any firearms or have any personal experiences that has helped to shape your opinion? Or is this all from this guy... (Dean Speir). And no, playing computer video games doesn't count (damn). And finally.....yes I must ask......really......WHY ARE YOU A TROLL?:rofl::4_1_72: Thats it, I am done. Have fun EE with ONE OF THE FINEST PISTOLS EVER DESIGNED.....YES....THE GLOCK 19!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:beer:
Bx3, you have a crappy gun. That I know for sure. As for what you know about me? Nothing. I've never seen such bitch-rage over a preference for a pistol. Ridiculous. I've decided that every time you respond I am going to post a fresh picture of a busted glock http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2...ock21kb1sh.jpg And how did you come up with this equation: One who does not prefer Glock = lives at home with mommy. Hilarious!

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Twisted Avatar | 08-23-2009 02:33 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1880979) For me , the 17 is the ultimate, holstered end of the world pistol. 9mm is plenty of power....and I did not want to add 40 S&W....otherwise the 40 is better. I have 2 19's and 2 17's.....and a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 that uses the G17 mags. I only view the Glocks as fighting pistols.....no target work due to the trigger and they really are not up to target accuracy work. Target shooting requires target gun. Glocks are for fighting. I feel they are the very best SHTF gun. G19 just feels right.....G17 is a litle too big = more like a police gun. G19 can be CCW carried in a holster....in my experience that are about as large as you can reasonably carry. Overall I prefer a pocket 380 for CCW. If I could only own 1 Glock - it would be the G19....or the 40 S&W equiv would be even better for a only 1 gun possibility....that said...you can get a 9mm+P...the S&W is pretty much allready a +P round. 9mm +P is a 400 ft-lb cartridge! Thats plenty of power.
The G19 26 17 all can hold 10,15,17,33 round Mags...... no body else can hold that much firepower AND have it be exchangeable among other sidearms. Its a fine dam Gun :ok: T

ruprick | 08-23-2009 03:17 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1882104) The G19 26 17 all can hold 10,15,17,33 round Mags...... no body else can hold that much firepower AND have it be exchangeable among other sidearms. Its a fine dam Gun :ok: T
2 G17 w/ 33 rounders + 2 spare 33 round mags = nearly 3 boxes of ammo....one in each hand.....spare mags in the pockets.....that is a crap load of firepower. Or Kel-Tec with 33rd + G17 in holster + several spare 33rd mags.....the Kel-Tec is a lot of gun banging at targets 100 yards out......delivers G17 muzzle energy at 100 yards.....and folds into a book bag.

Bx3 | 08-23-2009 03:20 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? 1 Attachment(s) http://www.casr.ca/id-arcticviking4sb-1.htm Quote:
The choice of a Sirius Patrol pistol was also determined by concerns about encounters with aggressive polar bears. Most Danish units use 9mm automatics like the CF but the Sirius Patrol learned through hard experience that 9mms had insufficient 'stopping power' to deal with angry adult polar bears. As a result, Sirius Patrol members carry a more powerful 10mm pistols for self-defence, employing the 10mm Glock 20 automatic.
EE & TA, you should look into the 10mm models as well. from 135gr - 230gr bullets, there are not too many (if any) semi auto pistol calibers that are as versatile as the 10mm. Bx3

ruprick | 08-23-2009 03:26 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? 45ACP +P....I'll be back with the numbers....but I'm pretty sure 185 grain JHP at 535 Ft=Lbs Energy.....that is .357 Mag. Yep - Remington Golden Sabre HP +P. Ultimate manstopper. That is amazing power. For bears...I'd prefer a good JSP for penetration. Cartridge Information Index Number Cartridge Type Weight (grs.) Bullet Style Primer No. Barrel Length L10MM6 UMC� 180 Metal Case 2 1/2 5" Velocity (ft/sec) Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 50 100 UMC� 180 1150 1063 998 Energy (ft-lbs) Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 50 100 UMC� 180 529 452 398 Mid-Range Trajectory Cartridge Type Bullet 50 100 UMC� 180 0.9" 3.7" The 45ACP +P has identical ballistics as the 10MM.

LukeNM | 08-23-2009 04:00 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? I use a Redding GRx Push thru, Base Sizing Die to take out the smile on any once fired .40 S&W brass before resizing and decapping. I also use a KKM drop-in match barrel when shooting reloads. KKM barrel and reloads for practice - Glock Factory Barrel and Factory Ammo for self defense...

Bx3 | 08-23-2009 04:15 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1882143) 45ACP +P....I'll be back with the numbers....but I'm pretty sure 185 grain JHP at 535 Ft=Lbs Energy.....that is .357 Mag. The 45ACP +P has identical ballistics as the 10MM.
Ruperick, I respectfully disagree with your numbers. .45+P might be identical to regular commercial 10mm (downloaded to about .40cal). I don't know if you are familiar with Double Tap Ammo (can't recommend them enough!). All DT ammo is equivalent to +P and then some. The numbers below are official chronographs from the manufacturer and both of the loads would be considered +P: http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/cat...03l3bi5bduvp50 http://www.ar15armory.com/forums/Dou...-Dat-f268.html 10mm 200gr 0yd velocity- 1254.5 ft-lbs- 698.8 25yd velocity- 1200.4 ft-lbs- 639.8 50yd velocity- 1152.3 ft-lbs- 589.6 75yd velocity- 1110.4 ft-lbs- 547.6 100yd velocity- 1073.8 ft-lbs- 512.0 .45cal 200gr 0yd velocity- 1132.2 ft-lbs- 569.2 25yd velocity- 1082.0 ft-lbs- 519.9 50yd velocity- 1039.5 ft-lbs- 479.9 75yd velocity- 1003.1 ft-lbs- 446.8 100yd velocity- 971.6 ft-lbs- 419.2 As you can see, the DT 10mm has more energy at 50yds than the DT .45 does at the muzzle and when compared to most other manufacturers, the DT 10mm has more energy at 100yds than their .45s have at the muzzle. All in all, I would be carrying DT ammo no matter what caliber I am using. :beer: Bx3

ruprick | 08-23-2009 04:22 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Nice numbers.....I was comparing Remington Factory Ammo....45ACP+P vs 10 MM.....the 45 is 185 grain, 10 mm was 180 grain.... I agree - super loads....10mm had higher energy potential. Wonder if these exceed SAMMI pressure limits? They might get better energy out of the 45 DT loads with lighter bullet....like 185 grain. Either way.....when you get north of 500 ft lbs in an autoloader....you got a serious piece of machine. My reference for bad assed round is the factory ammo 357 mag.....once at or above there you got a lot of power. I deer hunt with 357 mag and 44 mag pistol.....but I might take a deer with hot 45ACP some day. I like heavy loads - I have my black powder Ruger Old Army revolver making 41 mag energy (700 ft lbs) with a 200 grain conicle soft lead and 35 grains of Hodgdons 777......I squared the cylinder pockets for more powder capacity. I'll read up on the DT ammo - I'll probably have to give them a call - I know it is way over factory on power .....I handload everything....so if it has been tested and is published from a well know source...I'll load to it...as long as it is inside the pressure of the SAMMI limits.

Twisted Avatar | 08-23-2009 04:26 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Is 10mm Ammo easy to get your hands on?? During the last ammo frenzy I didnt pay attention to how this caliber was horded. T

Bx3 | 08-23-2009 04:49 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Yes DT Ammo is within SAMMI specs. Most major manufacturers have not adjusted their 10mm loadings (to true potential) from the early nineties when they mostly droped the 10mm in favor of the .40cal. http://www.bren-ten.com/website/id7.html A few exceptions are Double Tap Ammo, Corbon and Buffalo Bore Ammo. These three smaller manufacturers all load the 10mm to it's true intended potential. As for availability, while Corbon is more readily available, many local gun shops will not carry these brands as they are still rather specialized and the demand for this type of performance is from a small community of shooters. That being said, there are a couple of shops in my area that do carry Corbon and even some DT from time to time. I have placed most of my bulk orders directly from Mike McNett over at Double Tap. He also sells unfired Star Line brass for re-loaders. I have all of the components but have not gotten into re-loading the 10mm yet. One last thing on price. Generally 10mm will run more than standard calibers like 9mm, .40cal..... but if you do a price comparison on Double Taps site you will see that his 10mm self defense loads which use all premium components are the same price if not less than a comparable brands line of premium SD loads. Bx3

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Operation Grief | 08-23-2009 05:59 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1882215) Is 10mm Ammo easy to get your hands on?? During the last ammo frenzy I didnt pay attention to how this caliber was horded.
Very tough to get at gun shops since late '08. But always in supply at DoubleTap. And like I've said before, try the 230gr. Equalizer—two projectiles in one (135gr. JHP and 95gr. ball). Kind of like a mini-shotgun. http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/cat...products_id=42

Bx3 | 08-23-2009 06:14 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by Operation Grief (Post 1882338) Very tough to get at gun shops since late '08. But always in supply at DoubleTap. And like I've said before, try the 230gr. Equalizer�two projectiles in one (135gr. JHP and 95gr. ball). Kind of like a mini-shotgun. http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/cat...products_id=42
Grief, I like the concept of the Equalizer but I have never picked any up. I guess I am still looking for some real world results. If you have heard of any I would be very interested. Bx3

Operation Grief | 08-23-2009 07:10 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx3 (Post 1882361) Grief, I like the concept of the Equalizer but I have never picked any up. I guess I am still looking for some real world results. If you have heard of any I would be very interested. Bx3
Have never seen any real world results. No LEO is going to be carrying such a round (since every shot has to be accounted for). And what military uses 10mm? (Meaning you probably aren't going to find any combat results.) They do move pretty slow: around 1040ft per second = not a lot of penetration. Wouldn't try hunting with them. That's what the 200gr. and 230gr. WFNGC hardcasts are for. * Here's something on gel tests with DT ammo including the Equalizer... http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/....php?p=2857163 And some other tests with DT ammo... http://www.ar15armory.com/forums/200...ne-t58263.html

sneak | 08-23-2009 11:18 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Glock 19 owner here! It's the only Glock I own and I like it! :wink:

shades2 | 08-23-2009 11:27 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? GLOCK tell you straight up that they only warrant factory loads, they do not approve of lead use in their barrels and you will not be warrantied if you shoot it and something goes wrong. Barrel cleanliness is important if you shoot lead rounds, very important, so clean your gun. Not rocket science. I clean mine a lot because all I shoot at present is target lead. I have had a couple squibs on the range, so bad loads do happen to. I kept a bit of a count and I'm over 3000 or so rounds easily, without any issues from the gun. Number two, handloads are obviously not covered either, and I'm sure there are many people who overload then wonder why it went bang. I have read a few sob stories along those lines, and GLOCK didn't want to replace their piece because they basically blew it up themselves. I don't expect everyone to love Glocks, but the biased anti-Glock views always make me laugh, and always seem to lead back to a good 'ole Colt .45 for some reason. Consider how many Glocks are out there working perfectly... GLOCK 34 9x19mm. Tacticool B-)

Roadgold | 08-24-2009 12:33 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? I have a glock 17 10 rnd and glock 19 hi cap mags i will swap for a few pieces of silver if anyone wants them, PM me I have no use for them anymore. my 19 was stolen 10 years ago I have a glock 30 now.

basplaer | 08-24-2009 06:14 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? A G19 was my first CCW piece. SEVERAL thousands of rounds later, she's still a champ!

Tallinthesaddle | 08-24-2009 06:56 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Bought a Glock 17 nearly one and a half years ago and didn't think it shot worth a flip. Bad mouthed it too, got rid of it. About 3 months ago I looked at a Glock 19 at a gun show. Went to the practice range and tried one out and it shot real good. A little later in the month picked one up at Academy and it is a keeper. I have been slowly adding to the collection of magazines for it and keep 10 loaded and ready.

Glock | 08-26-2009 09:40 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? The G19 is one of the finest combat pistols in the world. The same can be said for the entire Glock 9mm family. I also highly recommend the 26 and 17. Get some Gold Dot 124 +P's to go with the G19. You Tube
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SilverCity | 08-26-2009 09:54 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Welcome aboard! I am a big fan of Glocks and Speer Gold Dots myself.:wink:

Glock | 08-26-2009 10:08 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1888409) Welcome aboard! I am a big fan of Glocks and Speer Gol Dots myself.:wink:
Thank you. I am here to help anyone with questions concerning Glock pistols, self defense, and firearms in general. I am biased to Glock because that is what I know best. I am not a snob or anti anything. I also know the Springfield XD and many other firearms as well and can appreciate them all. :15_1_70v:

EE_ | 08-26-2009 10:48 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Welcome G! Nice test on the Gold dot. I usually purchase and carry the Golden Sabers. I would think they are comparable. I'm not sure many have figured out that bullet technology has come a long way, that the 9mm is a formidable round and the best of all worlds in carry.

melbo | 08-26-2009 10:52 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? One of my 19s must have 50,000 rounds through it by now. Reliable as it gets IMO

ChemE | 08-27-2009 09:05 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? I own a G19 and G34. The 19 is my CCW and the 34 for is for IPSC and steel plate matches.

Glock | 08-27-2009 10:22 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? FYI, Sorry for any confusion. I am not the person in the video I posted of the Glock 19 and Speer Gold Dot test. I believe that fellow is somewhere in Tennessee. He has some interesting backyard ballistic test on youtube and I was just passing it along.

Glock | 08-27-2009 10:45 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Well, I wouldn't put too much faith in backyard ballistic test results but it is an interesting video. I have heard good things about the Remington Golden Sabers from the Internet but I have no experience with them, nor have I seen any professional ballistic gel test results. I have seen professional ballistic gel test results on Speer Gold Dots, Federal HSTs and Winchester Rangers so that is what I recommend. Quote:
Originally Posted by EE_ (Post 1888492) Welcome G! Nice test on the Gold dot. I usually purchase and carry the Golden Sabers. I would think they are comparable. I'm not sure many have figured out that bullet technology has come a long way, that the 9mm is a formidable round and the best of all worlds in carry.

brigadeer | 08-27-2009 05:21 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Quote:
Originally Posted by EE_ (Post 1880716) I've been working too much...think it'll make me feel better to get a G19 for my labor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2O7K8MawTs&NR=1
Glock 19 owner here, and I love me some Hickock45 videos. Great dude!

glockngold | 08-29-2009 10:36 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? My first post on GIM will be a "me too". Bought a G19 as my first handgun as a result of lurking here a year ago. In fact, there it is... At 500 rounds it has been trouble free.

EE_ | 08-29-2009 11:08 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Might as well do my personal favorite You Tube
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shades2 | 08-29-2009 10:04 PM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? Damn, that old guys amazing. With the standard crap factory sights! hehe. I think his eyes are better than mine!

ZyklonZombie | 09-02-2009 11:19 AM
Re: How many Glock 19 owners? i see the glock haters found this thread. :favorites21: love my G19C. ///BEST HANDGUN EVER

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