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Squirrel Bait | 03-21-2009 11:40 AM
Military demands registration numbers of guns Military demands details on soldiers' private guns Fort Campbell command reversed under pressure Posted: March 21, 2009 12:15 am Eastern By Bob Unruh � 2009 WorldNetDaily A military commander at Fort Campbell in Kentucky demanded his soldiers give him the registration numbers of any guns they own privately and then reveal where they are stored. The order was stopped, according to base officials, when it was discovered the commander was not "acting within his authority." The original order was issued on the letterhead of Charlie Company, 3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment and said effective March 11, any soldier with a "privately owned weapon" was required to submit the information, along with any information about any concealed carry permit the soldier may have, and what state issued the permit. (Story continues below) Further, the rule warned, "If any soldier comes into possession of a Privately Owned Weapon following the effective date of this memorandum, he is required to inform the Chain of Command of the above information." One soldier who objected to the demands circulated the memo, commenting that he lives off post. "It just seems a little coincidental to me that within 90 days the most anti-firearm president in history is inaugurated, some of the nastiest anti-firearm laws are put on the table in Washington, and then the Army comes around wanting what amounts to a registration on all firearms, even if they are off post, and doesn't provide any reason or purpose as to why," the soldier said. Base spokeswoman Cathy Gramling told WND the letter apparently was a mistake. She said the base requires anyone bringing a privately owned weapon onto the installation to register it. "As a response to a number of negligent discharges of privately owned weapons, the command decided to explore how to implement a training program for soldiers with privately owned weapons. Their goal is to identify soldiers with firearms and provide additional safety training to them, much like our motorcycle and driver safety classes," she said. "Our soldiers train and operate in combat with M-4 carbines and various other military weapons, but not all who purchase their own weapons are properly trained to handle them. Determining which soldiers possess weapons will allow the command to identify the soldiers who may require additional training on them," she said. Learn here why it's your right � and duty � to be armed. Gramling said the memo was "from a subordinate unit commander who, at the time, believed he was acting within his authority." She said requiring the information was halted when it was discovered the commander was not within his authority. The process has been suspended pending a full review, she said. "This is not an effort to infringe on soldiers' rights to own firearms," Gramling told WND. Mistake or not, the commander's order comes on the heels of a Department of Defense policy that limited the supply of ammunition available to the private gun owners by requiring destruction of fired military cartridge brass. That policy already had been implemented and had taken a bite out of the nation's stressed ammunition supply before it was reversed this week. Mark Cunningham, a legislative affairs representative with the Defense Logistics Agency, explained in an e-mail to the office of Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont., that the Department of Defense had placed small arms cartridge cases on its list of sensitive munitions items as part of an overall effort to ensure national security is not jeopardized in the sale of any Defense property. "Upon review, the Defense Logistics Agency has determined the cartridge cases could be appropriately placed in a category of government property allowing for their release for sale," Cunningham wrote.

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 03-21-2009 04:00 PM
Re: Military demands registration numbers of guns Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 1638314) [SIZE="5"] "As a response to a number of negligent discharges of privately owned weapons, the command decided to explore how to implement a training program for soldiers with privately owned weapons. Their goal is to identify soldiers with firearms and provide additional safety training to them, much like our motorcycle and driver safety classes," she said. "Our soldiers train and operate in combat with M-4 carbines and various other military weapons, but not all who purchase their own weapons are properly trained to handle them. Determining which soldiers possess weapons will allow the command to identify the soldiers who may require additional training on them," she said.
Oh I see - you're the only ones qualified to offer this training, and to determine whether or not I'm acceptable... Sounds like you're trying to create a job for yourself!

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 03-21-2009 06:16 PM
Re: Military demands registration numbers of guns The officers in today's U.S. military are the very worst I've lived to see. They were a major factor in my decision not to reenlist.

Bx3 | 03-21-2009 06:21 PM
Re: Military demands registration numbers of guns There are still a few good ones but generally I agree with your statement.

staupostek | 03-21-2009 06:30 PM
Re: Military demands registration numbers of guns So, some officer in Kentucky issues this order which they had no authority to do. In Alabama, some officer orders troops into a near by town, which they had no authority to do. Is this what we have to look forward to? Military officers issuing orders for which they have no authority to issue just to see how far they can push people, military or civilian?

RJB | 03-21-2009 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Hivemindgammahydra7 (Post 1638694) The officers in today's U.S. military are the very worst I've lived to see. They were a major factor in my decision not to reenlist.
This was my experience in the Marines. Just about anyone with a brain, drive, etc. got out after their first tour of duty. With some exceptions, those who stayed in we're pretty much worthless. I saw carreer officers and Staff NCOs as a noble form of welfare. Some who re-upped were decent, but they were the rare type who deal with the military BS.

Mantokir | 03-23-2009 08:03 AM
Re: Military demands registration numbers of guns Quote:
Originally Posted by Hivemindgammahydra7 (Post 1638694) The officers in today's U.S. military are the very worst I've lived to see. They were a major factor in my decision not to reenlist.
Ain't that the truth, found out they were more worried about their image than their troops lives while I was over in Iraq. EAS was 4 weeks after I got back stateside and I didn't even look back while walking off that base.

Twisted Avatar | 03-23-2009 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Mantokir (Post 1640996) Ain't that the truth, found out they were more worried about their image than their troops lives while I was over in Iraq. EAS was 4 weeks after I got back stateside and I didn't even look back while walking off that base.
Can any of you fellows be recalled if there is a "emergency"? Or is your discharge complete? Just curious on my part. T

Mantokir | 03-23-2009 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1641002) Can any of you fellows be recalled if there is a "emergency"? Or is your discharge complete? Just curious on my part. T
Mine is complete, got out in 03 with 4 years Inactive ready reserve. That ended in 07... If I had still been in the IRR, they could call me back and I came pretty damn close to being called back to.

Twisted Avatar | 03-23-2009 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Mantokir (Post 1641027) Mine is complete, got out in 03 with 4 years Inactive ready reserve. That ended in 07... If I had still been in the IRR, they could call me back and I came pretty damn close to being called back to.
Good going.........glad they cant mess with ya :ok:

meatman | 03-23-2009 09:23 AM
Re: Military demands registration numbers of guns anyone of you complaining about how crappy the officers are was an officer themselves or only enlisted. :tongue_ma:

erocktxmade | 03-23-2009 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1641002) Can any of you fellows be recalled if there is a "emergency"? Or is your discharge complete? Just curious on my part. T
They can recall officers forever... Enlisted 4 years after if you do four years and 2 years if you do 6. More than that, Im not sure. Like if you do 10 or 20.

Mantokir | 03-23-2009 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by meatman (Post 1641066) anyone of you complaining about how crappy the officers are was an officer themselves or only enlisted. :tongue_ma:
The only reason I complain about em, is because they had my life in their hands, and they acted based on how it would look on the news that night. Not on wether I'd be dead or not in the morning... this was my entire platoon. Everyone that was enlisted, all the way up to the gunnys was ready to start a fight, but couldn't because some little butterbar luitenant said no.

Mantokir | 03-23-2009 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by erocktxmade (Post 1641068) They can recall officers forever... Enlisted 4 years after if you do four years and 2 years if you do 6. More than that, Im not sure. Like if you do 10 or 20.
Pretty sure once you get that high, and you get out you're done.

Malus | 03-23-2009 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1641065) Good going.........glad they cant mess with ya :ok:
I'm pretty sure they could still mess with ya if they wanted to(IMO). Probably some fine print about how you owe them you're soul and obedience for eternity.

Mantokir | 03-23-2009 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Malus (Post 1641199) I'm pretty sure they could still mess with ya if they wanted to(IMO). Probably some fine print about how you owe them you're soul and obedience for eternity.
Eh... probably on some list somewhere. I know my info is in Kansas somewhere. I do know that the survey where Marines were asked if they would fire on civilians went through the base i was stationed at.

GSM/MM | 03-23-2009 05:35 PM
Re: Military demands registration numbers of guns ...technically you are not done. depends on what you signed up for and what your contract says.they called back many when they reactivated the battleships way back when. i got out 3 years ago after doing 20, so i'm still under recall for another 7 years.i am technically drawing retainer pay and not retired pay until those 7 years expire. not too worried about being recalled, though. was actually charged w/ mutiny as a young squid in this century, haha along w/ some other charges but it was thrown out. at my 17 year point was charged w/ art.128 for "disciplining'' a shit bag who later deserted.call me a dinosaur, but the 90's, clinton and the media did major damage to the military.i had senior personnel who had to work for me, but nah, one look at my record and they ain't calling me back any time soon....not p.c. enuff and don't support the kinder gentler new fangled club. don't get me wrong i enjoyed certain aspects of my job. the actual carrying out of a mission per se, and of course i still don't know what i want to be when i grow up......

itsaconspiracy | 04-21-2009 02:15 PM
Re: Military demands registration numbers of guns Quote:
Originally Posted by meatman (Post 1641066) anyone of you complaining about how crappy the officers are was an officer themselves or only enlisted. :tongue_ma:
The statement posted above is either tautological or it's not.

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