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Andy9999 | 11-29-2008 03:24 PM
Did sign myself for CCW Anything I should know before ,any advise:5_1_120:

meatman | 11-29-2008 03:59 PM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW had mine forever remember when I took the class my instructor told me there is only 2 kinds of people that carry 100% of the time 1- someone that is so hated afraid for their life 2-someone who think he is someone he is not (pretending to be a bad ass) always stuck in my mind I carry 60% of the time ( do have one in the car 100% time) and this instuctor had to pull his out on xmas week 1986 and shoot 3 teenagers killing one, was cleared the next day Don't even think about drawing unless you are going to pull that trigger to kill

koyaanisqatsi | 12-14-2008 10:17 PM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW Andy, I completed my course yesterday. Did you take your course yet? Do I still need to fill you in on what to expect? In case you do ... For me the most important aspects were the legalities of where to carry and where not, how to announce to a policeman at a roadstop that I have a gun, and ESPECIALLY the do's and don'ts of when to use deadly force justifiably within the law. Simplified Rules of Deadly Force: Must be to stop a clear and deadly threat who shows the means and intent to kill. You must retreat if you can, so back away, except if he's actively breaking into the home against your warning or is inside threatening. You must warn that you have a gun and will shoot - if at all possible. Use reasonable force, i.e. if he has a knife shoot him in the upper thigh - if distance permits as it should drop him fast. A warning shot is preferred if situation permits. The intent is to stop a deadly action, not to kill. You should not initiate the violent confrontation. Guns are not used to protect property. We are not to make citizen's arrests. We are not to drink a drop of alcohol or be around people drinking if we carry. Just down the road a 1/4 mile from my home this week a woman went out to check her car at night. When she turned around to re-enter her house a man stabbed her and entered her home. Yet I live in a million dollar current market value home in the 'historic district' (that belongs to my friend, not me) Now I can legally carry when I walk around the neighborhood sidewalks or take a walk into town. Most businesses or restaraunts allow me to carry because they do not expressly forbid it with a prominent sign near the entrance. I can carry anywhere I go if I'm not expressly prohibited, except the usual schools and Govt facilities, Emergency Rooms, places charging admission for assembly, etc. My county has about 100,000 people. There were 60 people in the once weekly 8-hr CCP training session at the local indoor range. That's about a 10-fold increase from 6 months ago due to the Obama effect. Of those attending, skills varied widely and a few had almost no experience, average age was about 45, youngest was maybe 28, oldest was a couple or three over 65. All were WASPs except one elderly asian gentleman. About 15% were women and I think two of those were granola eating Earth Shoes lesbians. We had a one hour session of fast draw and fire training with a timer set to 1.5 seconds. I found it easy but didn't expect it. Also we had to shoot 50 shots in odd patterns like, "load one round, draw and fire on the buzzer. Now load 3 rounds ... Now load 5 rounds ... ," so on and so forth. I found it very convenient and expedient to have a revolver due to this style of practice, however he insisted that I use ONLY double action in all firing. Even with the 2" snubnose .38 I had no trouble keeping it grouped near the center of the paper target at 3-7 yards and I outshot several with longer guns. The trainers were especially pleased that I showed them my wooden practice gun for practicing gun dis-arm. They showed me a couple of tips regarding this. And the practice with double action on my Taurus 85UL was actually my most needed practice since I always practice single-action -- he said "forget all that single action stuff because now this is real." He said he often carries, "a .38 inside a jacket pocket and can fire all 5 shots from inside ... then plan to get the jacket off because it will be on fire, but the guy usually gets a nice surprise visit from the little Mr. Special." All in all it cost $75 and I got a free coffee, juice and doughnuts, a nice catered sub sandwich lunch, a free day at the range with 2 instructors and a chance to meet and chat with about 60 real nice fellow gun-toting citizens. Tomorrow I'll drop my certification of completion off at the Sherrif's Office and pay $15 for a complete background check, then fingerprint and photo ID ... So for $90 total, I can legally carry now for 5 years until renewal. I feel that's not too bad a deal really. On the other hand in my state, I pay $30/yr for an annual car inspection on my Toyota, $150 in total fees every 5 years. But some of you probably don't do those car inspections, because you have a right to drive any car uninspected. I understand. I think car inspections are useless CRAP for my perfectly running Toyota. But I just pay the darned money and drive on with peace of mind. In 30-90 days I'll have my CC permit. And I will soon carry with peace of mind. :ok: PS: I just walked 1/4 mile down the street at 9:30pm to visit the local corner convenience store and I asked the lone store employee, "If someone had a state concealed-carry pistol permit and carried his gun into the store, would you mind?" She said quickly and with quick shake of her head and a smile, "No -- and please DO!" :ok:

Andy9999 | 12-15-2008 01:02 AM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW Thank you for your response it is very helpful. My class will start on JAN 3 -EIGHT HOUR AND ON JAN 4 -4 HOUR -RANGE TRAINING. Cost was 175 $ plus 100 for finger prints and some for pictures and application fee so at the end it will be 300$ but I 'm waiting for it.

FireMattMillen | 12-15-2008 02:21 AM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW Ask any question you may have...don't worry about how dumb it might seem. Of course, think beforehand of questions you would like answered. Each state has slightly different carry laws. Know exactly where and how it is legal to carry in yours.

Big_Rob | 12-15-2008 09:46 AM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW Quote:
Originally Posted by koyaanisqatsi (Post 1465952) You must retreat if you can, so back away, except if he's actively breaking into the home against your warning or is inside threatening.
Thank God I live in Florida where retreat isn't necessary.

silverJeep | 12-15-2008 11:03 AM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW I was amazed at how many people were taking the course with a brand new gun they've never shot (or any other gun for that matter), then are able to carry.

rogold | 12-15-2008 11:04 AM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW In my state it is only a trip to the county to fill out a form, pay 40 bucks and get fingerprinted, no classes and no high prices.

TruAuBug | 12-15-2008 12:14 PM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW Quote:
Originally Posted by rogold (Post 1466647) In my state it is only a trip to the county to fill out a form, pay 40 bucks and get fingerprinted, no classes and no high prices.
Wow what state is that? I want to move there! TAB

koyaanisqatsi | 12-15-2008 12:59 PM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1466522) Thank God I live in Florida where retreat isn't necessary.
I should explain perhaps that we had atleast 2 of the 8 hours watching videos featuring a 'notable state's attourney' in a red bow-tie describing "Dos and Don'ts" of carrying concealed. The suggested "rules" seemed so stringent that they bothered many of us, including me. But I've had business law in college and am somewhat familiar with contractual law and criminal law being explained ... so I interpreted all the "Don'ts" as simply to aid and assist preventing a grand jury or perhaps a jury trial and/or potential liability civil trial. I don't think the class instructor was allowed to point this aspect of the "rules" out ... In other words if we can stick to all the "Do's and Dont's" we will avoid having to justify ourselves in a courtroom, such as a policeman might also do if he is accused of using "excessive force." All the "rules" are the "get out of jail free" sort of rules... And I have no city attorney or liability insurance as does a city policeman. Simplified Rules of Deadly Force: (rules as I recalled them a day after the test) Must be to stop a clear and deadly threat who shows the means and intent to kill. You must retreat if you can, so back away, except if he's actively breaking into the home against your warning or is inside threatening. You must warn that you have a gun and will shoot - if at all possible. Use reasonable force, i.e. if he has a knife shoot him in the upper thigh - if distance permits as it should drop him fast. A warning shot is preferred if situation permits. The intent is to stop a deadly action, not to kill. You should not initiate the violent confrontation. Guns are not used to protect property. We are not to make citizen's arrests. We are not to drink a drop of alcohol or be around people drinking if we carry. The whole theme was perhaps a sort of "Cover Your Ass" legal advisory session so you don't have to spend potentially $100,000+ on a lawyer to try and get you off the hook after the fact. Speaking of lacking experience, one woman fired just 2 shots from a provided shooting range .38 revolver and said, "I don't like this." He got her another revolver. She didn't like it either... He finally gave her a .22 but I'm not sure if she passed the shooting session, as she could be said to be ineffective, or unfit to use a firearm. I don't think she'd fired a gun before that day, or certainly not enough, and I'm almost sure now she is reqired to put in range time and take atleast the shooting portion of the class yet again until she can get it together. We had 2 written tests, I made 50 of 50 on "gun knowledge and handling" and 19 of 20 on "Legal Do's and Don'ts". My state BTW, is North Carolina, where I estimate about 1 in 100 citizens have a CC permit. :ok:

Tumbleweed | 12-15-2008 01:25 PM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW Quote:
Originally Posted by rogold (Post 1466647) In my state it is only a trip to the county to fill out a form, pay 40 bucks and get fingerprinted, no classes and no high prices.
In South Dakota you fill out a form at the sherrifs office and pay ten bucks. No classes no finger prints. It is also an open carry state.

Twisted Avatar | 12-15-2008 03:44 PM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW Be advised (particulary those of us in the northeast). If you have a CCW and the LEO's have to come to your house for something even as simple as a bench warrant they will show up SWAT TEAM ready no knock with AR-15's blazing and SHOOT TO KILL AUTHORITY And before someone dismisses my claim I had a aquaintence on this forum confide in me that this type event did occur with a neighbor few houses down (3 am "raid") with FATAL RESULTS. Just something to consider as well. T

koyaanisqatsi | 12-15-2008 06:19 PM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1467077) Be advised (particulary those of us in the northeast). If you have a CCW and the LEO's have to come to your house for something even as simple as a bench warrant they will show up SWAT TEAM ready no knock with AR-15's blazing and SHOOT TO KILL AUTHORITY And before someone dismisses my claim I had a aquaintence on this forum confide in me that this type event did occur with neighbor (3am "raid") with FATAL RESULTS. Just something to consider as well. T
Minutes ago, I just got done submitting my class certificate to the office inside the Sherriff's Office/Jail Complex downtown... :bear_w00t: Along the lines you speak of, Twisted Avatar, the lady admonished me of one thing hinting along those lines you mention ... She said if you are stopped or road checked by police you would be wise to ALWAYS tell them that you possess a CC Permit -- EVEN IF I'M NOT ARMED -- because they have reason to ASSUME I am now carrying a weapon, and my NOT telling them that I am able to carry a weapon MIGHT encourage the officer to reasonably suspect that I'm withholding a weapon on my person, then he MIGHT request backup and a search, up to the officer's discretion. She said from now on my Driver's License and presumably my auto License Plates, but I don't know, will be TAGGED in the system as a CCP holder. I found this a bit concerning, yes. But on the other hand she had right there on the system in front of her every pistol permit I'd gotten from the Sherriff's Office (7) since I've moved into this county. She said guns are NOT registered in this state however, but the CCP certainly is in a way. She had me sign that I'd NOT had any of a HUGE list of disqualifications, perhaps 100 various laws relating to disorderly, tresspass, threats, court restraining orders, mental/nervous/alcohol/drugs, riot, carrying a weapon illegally, etc. -- going back for all my life, and I'm in my mid 50's now, still remaining somehow squeaky clean. Whew! It takes very little to disqualify. She notarized several statements regarding everything from state reciprocity, state laws, etc. as she interviewed and advised me finishing the hour with 20 fingerprints in all. A photo for the ID was not needed. She gave me 4 form letters I must mail to each of the 4 local hospitals for my medical records. They will now commense doing a complete check of my SS# and convictions, charges, anything they can find anywhere, this process to last 30-90 days, probaly about 45 days she said, and they will call me upon any more questions or upon completion. Also I was wrong on the fees for this ... One hospital charges $15 to release medical records. And the fee to the state is not $15 but in fact $90. So the total cost, excluding time, for someone to CC in my county is: $75 Gun Safety Class $90 cash for State and Local permit fees and background checks $15 for one of the hospitals to mail my medical history ($16 for 50 .38spcl bullets) ($10 gas and parking) $206 TOTAL for 5 years, and the renewal is ONLY $75, if I renew in 6mos before it expires A small plus, I need never again need to procure a $5 permit to purchase a handgun as I have before. I have no more restriction of 5/month or 12/year for hand gun purchases. Too bad I'm all stocked up with ample guns, ammo, mags, enough for TEOTWAWKI. Oh well, we live and learn ... :wink:

latitude22 | 12-15-2008 06:50 PM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW holy moly what state are you in?

koyaanisqatsi | 12-15-2008 07:37 PM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW Quote:
Originally Posted by latitude22 (Post 1467403) holy moly what state are you in?
http://ac4.yt-thm-a02.yimg.com/image/f5a943d457f92e70 Are you talking to me? This is my state of residence, but not exactly my state of mind... :bear_thumb: BTW back in the 90's I was granted a USCG Passenger Vessel Captain's license, up to 100 tons 100 miles offshore for paying passengers, and the procedure was much the same. My captain's license was a Federal Document to be carried with me at all times with passengers. If there was a collision or boating accident, I was GENERALLY GIVEN BENEFIT OF DOUBT, more credibility, unspoken perhaps, due obviously to my screening, verifiable training, and documented experienced track record. The USCG and Shore Patrol generally had MORE RESPECT for me than an a weekend amateur boater, not less. They are quite likely to request my assistance over a choice of other strangers in an emergency. But ... I guess such things as this 'licensing' are considered a PRIVILIDGE under law now more and more, and not a right. I'm not endorsing the process, and I understand it's incremental erosion of 'natural rights' freedoms, but I can't resist it as one person, so for now I just live with it. I'm reporting my experience as a sort of 'journal' here of the process I'm going through now to obtain a CC permit in North Carolina, perhaps considered somewhat of a moderately 'gun friendly' state ... so as I understand anyway. Actually I FEEL more like this ... but I just don't tell anyone. http://ac4.yt-thm-a01.yimg.com/image/d0a4ae838a4084ce ________:565:________

latitude22 | 12-15-2008 07:54 PM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW Man that's crazy, I have a florida and washington state ccw, for washington i didnt have to do anything, for florida i had to go to a class, fire a gun in front of the instructor and pay my fees. Yea I have a 100 ton masters, you need jump through extra hoops now, just had to go get my TWIC card, biometric fingerprinting the works!

koyaanisqatsi | 12-15-2008 08:04 PM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW Quote:
Originally Posted by latitude22 (Post 1467503) Yea I have a 100 ton masters, you need jump through extra hoops now, just had to go get my TWIC card, biometric fingerprinting the works!
http://ac4.yt-thm-a01.yimg.com/image/50ed5501c479b774 You know what I mean I guess, Captain. :coolbeer: I worked out of Sanibel Captiva, close to 22 degrees N as I recall. That general area of resort islands is, believe it or not, an old CIA hangout (Usepa Island was owned by CIA in the 60's and used to train Bay of Pigs forces) ... shhh... don't tell and I will not say more. I KNOW NOTHING. :wink: I also worked in Alaska and we carried a minimum of a .44 magnum... like putting on our shoes to go outside... a good feeling.

latitude22 | 12-15-2008 08:11 PM
Re: Did sign myself for CCW Quote:
Originally Posted by koyaanisqatsi (Post 1467516) You know what I mean I guess, Captain. :coolbeer: I worked out of Sanibel Captiva, close to 22 degrees N as I recall. That general area of resort islands is, believe it or not, an old CIA hangout (Usepa Island was owned by CIA in the 60's and used to train Bay of Pigs forces) ... shhh... don't tell and I will not say more. I KNOW NOTHING. :wink: I also worked in Alaska and we carried a minimum of a .44 magnum like putting on our shoes to go outside... a good feeling.
my last "raise in grade" paperwork I did with the USCG took 18 weeks, 18 weeks to type something on a piece of paper, the guy approved it right in front of me and "sent it to typing". Then they told me a month ago i need to get the TWIC or my license will be yanked on April 15, good stuff.

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