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Silver001 | 10-24-2008 11:51 PM
What are you willing to give up? Friday, October 24, 2008 The crisis and the loss of freedom The news about our government taking over our privately owned pension funds reminded me of something I meant to write about for a while now, and its something Americans know well. I�m talking about freedom here. We, as South Americans with a totalitarian government that considers Fidel and Chaves buddies, are loosing our freedoms at high speed. Freedom of speech has suffered greatly, specially after Mr. Kirchner handed over the presidency to his wife. Reporters are simply afraid to say or write the truth, with only one news channel making some weak attempts to speak up. They are threatened with censorship based on a newly created institution, the �Observatorio de Discriminaci�n en los Medios�, something that translates into the �Media Discrimination Observatory�. BS aside and cutting to the chase, if the govt. does like what a person, tv channel or paper says, it gets censored by this institution, claiming that such remarks are �discriminatory� . As usual, fear is one of a governments greatest tool. Pun enough fear into people and they�ll do or approve anything. Just look at what happened now with the 700 billion rescue. Why was it finally approved? Because, as GWB said, the alternative would be far worse. People believe this and are willing to sacrifice a bit more in order to avoid greater damage. When Obama becomes president, how much freedom will you be willing to give up to him, in order to supposedly avoid greater damage? Because of what happened in 2001, we gave our president �super powers� in order to help get us through the crisis. It gave him, among other things, a certain margin to work independently without the approval of congress on certain cases. Supposedly this is an emergency, desperate measure and the president will willingly give up his superpowers when there�s no need for them any more. Seven years later and the current presidents still holds these, and isn�t even considering giving them up. Among the many measures taken by our government, one of the most aggressive and bold was it�s anti gun campaign. The project shamelessly accepts that the mission is to reduce the amount of weapons among the population, and ultimately ban, destroy or confiscate any gun civilians may own. Be very aware guys, to these subtle and sometimes not so subtle losses of civil rights. FerFAL Posted by FerFAL at 7:47 PM 0 comments Labels: Argentina Economy http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

SLV>GLD | 10-24-2008 11:55 PM
Re: What are you willing to give up? I'm willing to give up a lot. Liberty just doesn't happen to be on the list.

jedemdasseine | 10-25-2008 12:01 AM
Re: What are you willing to give up? At least they are secure and feel safe...... http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/...GC662/610x.jpg

Silver001 | 10-25-2008 12:04 AM
Re: What are you willing to give up? Guns and bullets keep the government in fear of the people. No guns, no bullets-- no fear

Ag_man | 10-25-2008 12:24 AM
Re: What are you willing to give up? Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver001 (Post 1377653) Guns and bullets keep the government in fear of the people. No guns, no bullets-- no fear
True to a point. But in the US, with a very well armed populace, I really don't think the government has any fear at all. They know that the sheeple will surrender their firearms. For the few holdouts, well there are other methods of gaining compliance,

Silver Wolf | 10-25-2008 01:31 PM
Re: What are you willing to give up? What am I willing to give up? The lead part of my bullets. But they will be flying towards them at over 2,000 fps.

Twisted Avatar | 10-25-2008 02:44 PM
Re: What are you willing to give up? Quote:
Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1377683) True to a point. But in the US, with a very well armed populace, I really don't think the government has any fear at all. They know that the sheeple will surrender their firearms. For the few holdouts, well there are other methods of gaining compliance,
I fully agree on that point but let it be known........ the most dangerous person in the world is one who has nothing left to loose. Heaven help the goons that show up on the doorstep of these people. You WILL be reading about it. T

Twisted Avatar | 10-25-2008 02:45 PM
Re: What are you willing to give up? 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver001 (Post 1377653) Guns and bullets keep the government in fear of the people. No guns, no bullets-- no fear
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wallew | 10-25-2008 04:12 PM
Re: What are you willing to give up? What am I willing to give up? About 124 grains. One at a time...

elroy | 10-25-2008 04:34 PM
Re: What are you willing to give up? I did not agree to give up my rights, the constitution or anything else I did not agree to spending trillions of taxpayers dollars bailing out scumbags on Wall Street. Our country is full of weak people who get on their knees whenever they are asked to. Remember government is force, they take what they want. Our current government is a disgrace to our country and what it stands for.

Silver001 | 10-25-2008 09:28 PM
Re: What are you willing to give up? As one person on another forum put it, if you can survive 90 days you have a good chance of making it. Most of the people will have starved off by then. Real food for thought.

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