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Black Blade | 07-17-2008 11:34 PM
PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Parents: Teacher silenced son on hunting Snippit: Bordwell said in a telephone interview that she believed her son was "singled out" by Kathleen Backus, Jared's teacher, while talking about hunting with a schoolmate. Bordwell said that, during snack time, Jared was discussing the recent spring turkey hunting season with a classmate when Backus interrupted the conversation, insisting that there be no talk of "killing" in her classroom. Reached through a relative, Backus declined to comment. At Monday's board meeting, Bordwell read from a prepared statement. "I believe that Ms. Backus' perception of hunting and hunters have led her to treat Jared in an inappropriate manner, singling him out unfairly," she told the board. "The breaking point for us, his parents, came when Jared was sharing a conversation during his free period snack time at school. He was talking with a friend about the recent spring 2008 turkey season. Both boys had been out hunting with their dads and Jared was asking his friend where he had gotten his first turkey. "Jared's teacher covered her ears, trying to block the conversation, and singing 'la la la la.' When asked by another school employee about her odd behavior, the teacher claimed she did not want to hear about the boys and their 'killing.' The boys were left feeling that they were not legitimate hunters, but 'killers' in the eyes of an important authority figure in their lives," Bordwell said. http://peakoilpetroleumandpreciousme...4428/master/1/ Black Blade: That teacher should be committed to a state institution for a 30-day evaluation. Her bizarre behavior suggests that she could be dangerous and she does work around children.

Rebel Yarr | 07-17-2008 11:41 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Yeah, seriously. Quite the adult rolemodel there.

Twisted Avatar | 07-22-2008 08:04 AM
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shades2 | 07-22-2008 08:13 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Yes, because no-one has killed an animal to survive, or another human being to protect their freedom... What a joke.

fasTTcar | 07-22-2008 08:40 AM
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silverJeep | 07-22-2008 09:57 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Saw some sissy PETA guys passing out flyers in D.C. last weekend. Tried to give me one. I said "sorry, I'm a serious meat eater" They looked at me like i was threatened to eat their cat. I was going to mess with them but i was in a hurry.

mtnman | 07-22-2008 11:04 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom People Eating Tasty Animals

Tn...Andy | 07-22-2008 11:11 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Thanks for the clarification......that makes more sense.....I thought it was "People Eating Tasty Anna-mules" and I was just not getting enough BBQ sauce on the ribs.......cause the old gal weren't all THAT tasty........ :D The folks in the article ought to send little Jared to school with a home lunch tommorrow.....live chicken he field strips and fries on a Hibachi right there in the lunchroom. I guess they'd find the teacher passed out in a corner, huh ?

Big_Rob | 07-22-2008 11:17 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom I posted this in a meat smoking forum and I think it will be appropriate for this thread... People Eating Tasty Animals!!! Quote:
In case you dont know what a fatty is. Its stuffed and smoked pork breakfast sausage. But you can use any ground meat to make one. Heres how I did mine. 2 rolls of Tennessee Pride Pork Sausage 1 hot 1 mild Colby Jack Munster Vidalia Onion Leek Sliced fresh Garlic Portabella Mushroom Pepper Sea Salt Garlic Powder Bacon Mrs Dash I bought a Brinkmann Vertical Charcoal Smoker to make this and due to the crappy workmanship and crappy spot welding of "Made In China" the 2 screw brackets for the handle on the bottom door just fell off. Anyhow, Im calling Brinkmann in the morning to see what they're going to do about it. Here are the pics After 1 hour http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9/100_3006.jpg After 3.5 hours http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9/100_3008.jpg 4 hours later In bed http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9/100_3011.jpg Nighty Night rest well http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9/100_3012.jpg First slices http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9/100_3014.jpg Spilling its guts http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9/100_3016.jpg Darn it was good. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9/100_3017.jpg

Iptuous | 07-22-2008 11:18 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1203878) People Eating Tasty Animals
Welsh Corgi's are apparently 'tasty animals' :D http://blog.peta.org/archives/2007/0...h_artist_1.php

Silver Wolf | 07-22-2008 11:34 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Peta is more controlled opposition. They do more harm than good for their cause. I'm against cruel testing on animals, torturing them, or killing them just for fun. I'm pro hunting and fishing (I'm a fishing fanatic) but I'm against using dead animal's bodies to disrespectfully spell out words. If an living thing has to die, at least have a little respect for nature. I swear this world has gone completely insane.

Twisted Avatar | 07-22-2008 11:39 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom PETA IS BULLSHYT. YouTube - Bullshit-Peta
YouTube - Bullshit-Peta

Caligula | 07-22-2008 11:43 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1203890) I posted this in a meat smoking forum and I think it will be appropriate for this thread... People Eating Tasty Animals!!!
OMG...That looks good!!! :tongue_ma:

mtnman | 07-22-2008 11:48 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1203890) I posted this in a meat smoking forum and I think it will be appropriate for this thread... People Eating Tasty Animals!!!
So where do you live? I'm coming over for dinner!!!! Should I bring anything?

Big_Rob | 07-22-2008 12:42 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1203947) So where do you live? I'm coming over for dinner!!!! Should I bring anything?
LoL! The next fatty Im gonna roll is going to be an Italian sausage roll stuffed with mozzarella cheese, tomatoes, onions, mushrooms, and pepperoni.

Big_Rob | 07-22-2008 12:42 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Caligula (Post 1203939) OMG...That looks good!!! :tongue_ma:
It was, real real good. :D

nunaem | 07-22-2008 01:33 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1204027) It was, real real good. :D
I bought a Weber Smokey Mountain smoker in the spring, nothing beats smoked meat.. except maybe smoked meat stuffed with cheese.. mmm

107.8682 | 07-22-2008 01:58 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Petaphiles have no business in the classroom... :D

The Great Ag | 07-22-2008 04:43 PM
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The boys were left feeling that they were not legitimate hunters, but 'killers' in the eyes of an important authority figure in their lives," Bordwell said.
What a bunch of sissy boys! Big mighty hunters, scared silly by some teacher holding her ears and saying, "la la la. . ." How old are these boys? 5, 6? You are old enough to hunt turkey, but can't take a teacher acting childish? I have serious concerns for the younger generation. I wonder what that teacher eats at Thanksgiving? Hmm, yummy tofu turkey (tofurkey) The Great Ag

Black Blade | 07-22-2008 05:02 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ss-section.jpg Slay three species and presto! ....Turducken!!! Mmmmmm....

GreenSpirit | 07-22-2008 05:10 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom I'd like to rename this the Heart disease thread.

Yenomsi | 07-22-2008 05:18 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom While the teachers actions were pretty immature, it's insane to take action against the teacher because she made the boys feel like killers...that's what hunters are. Maybe what they intended to say is that the boys felt like murderers. Perhaps that would be a legit complaint.

107.8682 | 07-22-2008 05:23 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1204420) I'd like to rename this the Heart disease thread.
Humans are omnivores; all things in moderation. Vegans are just as extremist as pure carnivores.

GreenSpirit | 07-22-2008 05:31 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1204412) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ss-section.jpg Slay three species and presto! ....Turducken!!! Mmmmmm....
Yes! You gotta love any food that starts with "turd." :D

Big_Rob | 07-23-2008 09:37 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1204412) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ss-section.jpg Slay three species and presto! ....Turducken!!! Mmmmmm....
Im trying to come up with a source for duck pieces to make one on the smoker. Aint nothing like the good ole fashioned turkey duck chicken threesome of goodness.

Big_Rob | 07-23-2008 09:50 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1204420) I'd like to rename this the Heart disease thread.
Actually, smoked meat isnt as bad for your heart as you would think. Most of the fat runs off into the water pan (which steams the meat). The grease you see coming out of my fatty is from the cheese.

ruprick | 07-23-2008 09:56 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1205325) Im trying to come up with a source for duck pieces to make one on the smoker. Aint nothing like the good ole fashioned turkey duck chicken threesome of goodness.
m�nage � trois (household of three) (Sexual threesome) Meat-nage a trois! As in "Honey, why don't you invite the neighbors over Sunday for a little meat-nage a trois....."

KingTheoden | 07-23-2008 10:01 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Wolf (Post 1203916) Peta is more controlled opposition. They do more harm than good for their cause. I'm against cruel testing on animals, torturing them, or killing them just for fun. I'm pro hunting and fishing (I'm a fishing fanatic) but I'm against using dead animal's bodies to disrespectfully spell out words. If an living thing has to die, at least have a little respect for nature. I swear this world has gone completely insane.
+1 People like to make fun of the Native Americans for using every part of an animal right down to the bone, but if one considers things, that is a very moral and just way of making use of a hunted animal. Penn and Teller make some good points, like how PETA is a gigantic scam, however they are way off the mark when it comes to animal testing and factory farming. And not all meat eaters are 'part of the problem.' There is a big difference between someone who buys organic free range chicken and the average dope who chows down on KFC's buckets of torture.

Avalon | 07-23-2008 10:04 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom I find it hard to believe a true hunter who understands nature would endorse this type of disrespect for animals. No wonder this country has so much bad karma. http://goldismoney.info/forums/attac...1&d=1216730424

Big_Rob | 07-23-2008 10:05 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1205343) m�nage � trois (household of three) (Sexual threesome) Meat-nage a trois!
YES! Considered that term borrowed :D

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Avalon | 07-23-2008 10:05 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by KingTheoden (Post 1205346) +1 People like to make fun of the Native Americans for using every part of an animal right down to the bone, but if one considers things, that is a very moral and just way of making use of a hunted animal.
I agree King...

Avalon | 07-23-2008 10:07 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1198127) Parents: Teacher silenced son on hunting Snippet: Bordwell said in a telephone interview that she believed her son was "singled out" by Kathleen Backus, Jared's teacher, while talking about hunting with a schoolmate. Bordwell said that, during snack time, Jared was discussing the recent spring turkey hunting season with a classmate when Backus interrupted the conversation, insisting that there be no talk of "killing" in her classroom. Reached through a relative, Backus declined to comment. At Monday's board meeting, Bordwell read from a prepared statement. "I believe that Ms. Backus' perception of hunting and hunters have led her to treat Jared in an inappropriate manner, singling him out unfairly," she told the board. "The breaking point for us, his parents, came when Jared was sharing a conversation during his free period snack time at school. He was talking with a friend about the recent spring 2008 turkey season. Both boys had been out hunting with their dads and Jared was asking his friend where he had gotten his first turkey. "Jared's teacher covered her ears, trying to block the conversation, and singing 'la la la la.' When asked by another school employee about her odd behavior, the teacher claimed she did not want to hear about the boys and their 'killing.' The boys were left feeling that they were not legitimate hunters, but 'killers' in the eyes of an important authority figure in their lives," Bordwell said. http://peakoilpetroleumandpreciousme...4428/master/1/ Black Blade: That teacher should be committed to a state institution for a 30-day evaluation. Her bizarre behavior suggests that she could be dangerous and she does work around children.
If these kids are old enough to carry a gun and old enough to shoot Turkeys they should be mature enough not to run to Mommy with hurt feelings.. Someone please take their guns until they grow a set..

Big_Rob | 07-23-2008 10:10 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205349) I find it hard to believe a true hunter who understands nature would endorse this type of disrespect for animals. No wonder this country has so much bad karma. http://goldismoney.info/forums/attac...1&d=1216730424
But you dont know what they did with the rabbits. Lining them up to spell out the words "peta sucks" isnt disrespecting the animal at all. If they left them there to rot then yeah thats pretty disrespectful. But we dont know what they did with them, did they make a yummy hossenfeffer? Did they harvest their pelts and feet? We dont know.

ruprick | 07-23-2008 10:11 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom mostly see this as the parents pushing a point....and a very solid point.....the teacher needs to be a mature responsible adult.

Big_Rob | 07-23-2008 10:13 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205354) If these kids are old enough to carry a gun and old enough to shoot Turkeys they should be mature enough not to run to Mommy with hurt feelings.. Someone please take their guns until they grow a set..
Thats not the point. The teacher should have displayed professionalism instead of bleeding heart liberalism. Also it worries me that a teacher is censoring her students during their free time at lunch.

Avalon | 07-23-2008 10:17 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1205368) That's not the point. The teacher should have displayed professionalism instead of bleeding heart liberalism. Also it worries me that a teacher is censoring her students during their free time at lunch.
Since we were not there we do not know the whole story. The conversation may have been of a bragging nature about killing animals. It may have been upsetting other children. We were not there and do not know.

Avalon | 07-23-2008 10:20 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1205362) But you dont know what they did with the rabbits. Lining them up to spell out the words "Peta sucks" isnt disrespecting the animal at all. If they left them there to rot then yeah that's pretty disrespectful. But we dont know what they did with them, did they make a yummy hasenfeffer? Did they harvest their pelts and feet? We dont know.
It doesnt matter.. It was disrespectful to the animal. Not using the dead animals properly would just be an added offense. Having done Possum and rabbit rehabilitation for many years and seeing these creatures as living entities with personalities I find it really offensive and disrepsectful. Killing for food is one thing. Playing with the corpses is another. It is the disrespect and lack of appreciation for Gods gifts that has gotten the US where we are.

Big_Rob | 07-23-2008 10:20 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by KingTheoden (Post 1205346) +1 People like to make fun of the Native Americans for using every part of an animal right down to the bone, but if one considers things, that is a very moral and just way of making use of a hunted animal.
Most of the hunters I know make good use of most of the animal they kill. There's just parts of the body that you cant use for anything. Quote:
Originally Posted by KingTheoden Penn and Teller make some good points, like how PETA is a gigantic scam, however they are way off the mark when it comes to animal testing and factory farming. And not all meat eaters are 'part of the problem.' There is a big difference between someone who buys organic free range chicken and the average dope who chows down on KFC's buckets of torture.
Ive got a bridge to sell ya =) You do know that the only thing that makes the chicken free range is that they leave the door open for the chickens to walk out if they choose to do so right? And that most of the chickens choose to stay in the coop? http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4047

Avalon | 07-23-2008 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1205364) mostly see this as the parents pushing a point....and a very solid point.....the teacher needs to be a mature responsible adult.
LOL, do you know what Teachers in my state make. Most can not even survive on the salary unless they are married or have a roommate. if you want mature Teachers pay them. They are lucky anyone shows up for work.

Canadian-guerilla | 07-23-2008 10:26 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom now if Pammy wants to convince me to go vegetarian . . . http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/..._300x400,0.jpg

ruprick | 07-23-2008 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205381) LOL, do you know what Teachers in my state make. Most can not even survive on the salary unless they are married or have a roommate. if you want mature Teachers pay them. They are lucky anyone shows up for work.
Thats a crap hole answer. The world expects adults that work at mcdonalds to also behave as mature adults. Pay has nothing to do with it. Teachers get paid what they are worth. A lot of education programs at college are not too difficult to get through......except fot the pure sciences and mathematics.....most are pretty fluffy college programs....as compared to Engineering, Nursing, Finance Physics/Chemistry/Mathematics..... The world pays mostly the market rate. Teachers have it a lot better that they world makes it out to be...including the teachers often cry poor..... Here in Michigan they start out at 30,000 minumum....and often more ....in Secondary Math and Science they will often climb into the 50,000's quickly and reach 65k+ bu retirement....and they have a great pension/retirement....much better than indusrty. Not too bad for a job they work 188 days a year......188 days is 72% of a typical 5 day a week job. They all get annual pay raises...even when the local economy is crumbling. I camp and socialize with a pack of 10 teachers on a regular basis. They are well paid. This may not be true for every state....but around here there are no poor teachers. "Poor Teachers" is mostly a scam.

Iptuous | 07-23-2008 11:06 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205376) Killing for food is one thing. Playing with the corpses is another. It is the disrespect and lack of appreciation for Gods gifts that has gotten the US where we are.
Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering where you draw the line... What about hunting trophies? what about 'Jackalope' mountings? :wink: are they bad?

brosil | 07-23-2008 12:08 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Where are they hunting those rabbits? I thought I had a lot around here but I don't have that many. UMMMMM, Hassenpheffer!

Black Blade | 07-23-2008 01:21 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Once on the back roads on a dark and dreary night in Northern Nevada I counted running over 72 Jack rabbits (noted by the streak in the headlights, thump on the under carriage, and the occasional rolling carcass seen in my mirror). That was in about 30 miles of driving.

Avalon | 07-23-2008 04:37 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Iptuous (Post 1205452) Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering where you draw the line... What about hunting trophies? what about 'Jackalope' mountings? :wink: are they bad?
well if you want to know the truth I have issues with mounted hunting trophies. I always wonder how an animals Den would look decorated with human heads mounted on the wall. :s9: http://www.halloweenasylum.com/Produ...fitc-15973.jpg

GreenSpirit | 07-23-2008 05:33 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205349) I find it hard to believe a true hunter who understands nature would endorse this type of disrespect for animals. No wonder this country has so much bad karma. http://goldismoney.info/forums/attac...1&d=1216730424
What Avalon said. Those "hunters" are not showing respect. :thumpdown

Big_Rob | 07-24-2008 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205883) well if you want to know the truth I have issues with mounted hunting trophies. I always wonder how an animals Den would look decorated with human heads mounted on the wall. :s9: http://www.halloweenasylum.com/Produ...fitc-15973.jpg
Heck, I know several people Id love to have their heads mounted on my wall.

Big_Rob | 07-24-2008 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1205994) What Avalon said. Those "hunters" are not showing respect. :thumpdown
Respect for what though? Would you be happier if they had the rabbits carcasses on an alter and the hunters were kneeling down praying to Gaia begging for forgiveness because they killed the rabbits?

Iptuous | 07-24-2008 10:40 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205883) well if you want to know the truth I have issues with mounted hunting trophies. I always wonder how an animals Den would look decorated with human heads mounted on the wall. :s9:
Avalon, First, i must say that i've never seen an animal trophy with chains and hooks rending its skin.... (but your ideas intrigue me:D) Second, i would say that you are probably correct that no animal has ever honored a human kill with a permanent trophy in it's abode. They just get eaten and shat out. :wink: (and they probably waste a lot of it, too!) edit to add: I don't really condone playing with carcasses, btw. I just like arguing :wink:....then again, that pic is funny.

fasTTcar | 07-24-2008 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Iptuous (Post 1207020) I don't really condone playing with carcasses, btw. I just like arguing :wink:....then again, that pic is funny.
The exact reason I posted it. No more, no less.

GOLD DUCK | 07-24-2008 11:28 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom QWAK,The native americans lived in HARMONY with NATURE for thousands of years, there conceptual relationship to the EARTH was one of balance NOT EXPLOITATION for PROFIT. They saw them selves as just another creacher living ON the LAND -- not OWING the land -- because to THEM, the LAND/EARTH owned THEM and was a part of who they were/are!:yes: There was plenty of game and fish most of the time and water that was SAFE to drink EVERY WARE there was a lake,river or stream.:yes: The great heards of buffalo were SLAUTERED as a tactic of WAR:censored: to force the last of the native americns in to SUBMISSION,they were displaced to land they were NOT adapted to and forced to live in ways totaly foreign to them!:rant: KARMA has a way of balencing out such things and such great CRIMES and OFENCES take much longer to work out, but I expect that this generation and the one coming up will see and experience HUNGER and POVERTY and much devistation of what has been CREATED with out reguard for ANY THING but GREED and PROFIT!:thinkey::yes: Pride (arrogence) comes befor the FALL and the big FALL is coming ,I believe SOON and it is in my opinion -- long over due!:yes: the DUCK

JRuc33 | 07-24-2008 11:51 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Well, I'm still in high school and this has happened to me too. We had three avid hunters in the room, and the teacher, a PETA guy, talked about how it was "unfair" to the animals because the humans had such a big advantage with guns. He did however support bow hunting.

BellevueBully | 07-24-2008 02:06 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Although I can appreciate some being offended by the pic because there are dead bunnies, the fact that they are arranged as such does not bother me or offend me. What is the difference between throwing them carelessly into a game bag or placing them carefully on the ground? (Unless.....you think they should be placed carefully in a game bag) What does offend me is PETA passing judgment on me and people (used loosely) who hurt/kill animals for no good reason. Now if the bunnies were disemboweled, and their intestines were spelling out PETA SUCKS...........then I would be offended.:D

Iptuous | 07-24-2008 03:09 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 1207460) So you would then also feel the same about your mother's corpse being displayed naked on the street in the town where she grew up? I mean what's the difference? You're just going to stick her in a box and put it in the ground, right?
The difference is that it would be hard to spell out something funny with just one dead mother. ...Maybe if we got his whole family's bodies it would be worth it. :D Honestly, though. you're analogy is a little silly, no? He probably wouldn't want anybody eating his mother either, but you're not arguing against that with the bunnies now, are you?...

Big_Rob | 07-24-2008 03:12 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 1207460) So you would then also feel the same about your mother's corpse being displayed naked on the street in the town where she grew up? I mean what's the difference? You're just going to stick her in a box and put it in the ground, right? While I agree that animals and animal lovers are going to have to get used to the idea that WE ARE ALL PART OF THE FOOD CHAIN, still we all deserve to have our remains treated with dignity.
Hold on... A lion, tiger, bear, isnt going to be respectful of a humans or any other prey animals remains after they maul them and start to eat them. Heres an example. http://www.sixbullets.com/_images/bear_attack.jpg http://www.blackbearheaven.com/campers/bear-attack3.jpg

BellevueBully | 07-24-2008 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 1207460) So you would then also feel the same about your mother's corpse being displayed naked on the street in the town where she grew up? I mean what's the difference? You're just going to stick her in a box and put it in the ground, right? While I agree that animals and animal lovers are going to have to get used to the idea that WE ARE ALL PART OF THE FOOD CHAIN, still we all deserve to have our remains treated with dignity.
Using your example with a close loved one triggers too much emotion for a non-biased answer, but for the record, I could give a rats ass what is done with my body when I'm dead. Make a movie.....'Weekend at Bb's":D And btw, they are not naked bunnies, they are wearing fur coats.:wink: Oh, one question for you Sky.....When you swat a mosquito, do you just 'brush it off onto the ground' or do you show it the proper respect and place it in an appropriate final resting place. I see your point, but it is a little unbalanced. Cheers

DodgebyDave | 07-24-2008 03:52 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom They last time I field dressed a deer we spilled it's guts out on the ground. Left them there too. I suppose now I'll have to drag a mop and bucket with me hunting. Lets see, a doctor, a nurse, an intern and the mortician all saw granny naked. Offended by that? I suppose that I'll have to get rid of my leather boots, welding apron and gloves because I didn't treat that cows corpse with respect. I cut the hide straight of that sucker, tanned it with acid and then poked it with sewing needles. What a bad person I am. There is a huge difference. You broach this subject with a hypothetical situation that has nothing to do with hunting to make a non existent point, as it is more likely that granny has been seen naked by a lot of people, will be eventually displayed dead in public and then buried in a box. So what, a pig eats it's own nuts. Offended by that? Sometimes reality is neither pretty or convenient. There is plenty of medication and hospitals for those that can't handle reality.

Iptuous | 07-24-2008 04:13 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by DodgebyDave (Post 1207570) So what, a pig eats it's own nuts. Offended by that?
Whoa....what?!

Avalon | 07-24-2008 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Iptuous (Post 1207020) Avalon, First, i must say that i've never seen an animal trophy with chains and hooks rending its skin.... (but your ideas intrigue me:D) Second, i would say that you are probably correct that no animal has ever honored a human kill with a permanent trophy in it's abode. They just get eaten and shat out. :wink: (and they probably waste a lot of it, too!) edit to add: I don't really condone playing with carcasses, btw. I just like arguing :wink:....then again, that pic is funny.
I knew you would like the chains.. :laugh:

Avalon | 07-24-2008 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BellevueBully (Post 1207491) Using your example with a close loved one triggers too much emotion for a non-biased answer, but for the record, I could give a rats ass what is done with my body when I'm dead. Make a movie.....'Weekend at Bb's":D
Not to get off topic but I thought Weekend at Bernies was the worst movie ever made!

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Avalon | 07-24-2008 05:07 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 1207724) I agree my example was extreme but it was to make a point. I would not propose displaying granny naked in public. What I wanted to point out was that the animals we CHOOSE to kill deserve to be treated with respect and dignity. And I do not regulate my behavioral standards based on the behavior of others so what a lion might do to a man (what a lion once DID do to one of the finer men I've ever known) is not relevant to how I treat my prey. While I do occasionally kill an insect, I try to avoid it. There is a difference, however. If a mosquito persists in attacking me and I cannot convince it, by whatever diplomatic means at my disposal, to cease it's attacks, then I may have to kill it IN SELF DEFENSE. To me, there is a difference between killing something when forced to defend yourself and making the conscious choice to take the physical life of another being for my own clothing or nutriment. Those guys with the rabbits clearly CHOSE to take the lives of those bunnies and I assume they planned to eat them and perhaps make clothing from their hides. Those rabbits gave their skins (literally) as well as their lives so those guys could eat and be clothed. I think they deserve NOT to be degraded after death by being made part of that kind of a display. If you've ever felt sorry for the embarrassment a dog must feel when their their idiot owner has dressed them up in a lace skirt and ribbons, then you know what I mean.
good post!

GOLD DUCK | 07-24-2008 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205883) well if you want to know the truth I have issues with mounted hunting trophies. I always wonder how an animals Den would look decorated with human heads mounted on the wall. :s9: http://www.halloweenasylum.com/Produ...fitc-15973.jpg
QWAK,Avalon,Thanks for posting THAT-- been WONDERING what happened to UNCLE JOE -- aparently he has been hanging out at YOUR HOUSE!:hahaha::haha: Been telling him for YEARS some lady was going to KILL HIM for not puting the toilet seat back down!:hahaha::grin::s9: BTW: What did you do with the rest of him?:questionm:questionm HE HE HE the DUCK

DodgebyDave | 07-24-2008 07:03 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Iptuous (Post 1207623) Whoa....what?!
On the farm, we remove the nuts from young pigs, for meat quality reasons. Pigs ARE the smartest animals in the barn yard, but if you toss the cuttings out on the ground that fresh cut young pig will eat his own nuts. The question however still stands. Am I disrespecting the carcass that I just field dressed? What If I took pictures of the process to post as an example to a non hunter on how to field dress? Was I disrespecting a cows carcass when I cut the hide off? What If I made a tanning video? Both are just as legitimate ways of making a point with photography sorry skyvike, your point doesn't wash. Rabbits are either a pest at worst or food at best. Nothing more and nothing less. If it came right down to it, I'd eat my dog. It's an animal and I AM AT THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN. It is not a sentient being, it's not a sentient beings relative. How many sentient beings will eat their own fresh cut nuts? So come on and tell us again how a dog is embarrassed by wearing a dress? A DOG THAT WILL LICK HIMSELF IN FRONT OF GRANNY, HUMP THE CAT AND PUT IT'S NOSE UP HER DRESS. While almost all animals feel pain, joy, sorrow and fear, the don't have the higher emotions of embarrassment, guilt, remorse or any of those abstract emotions that separate sentient beings from non sentient. You know things like right and wrong, good and bad. Ketchup or steak sauce.

gypsybiker45 | 07-24-2008 07:31 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Lets look at the big picture shall we?,if you have that many Rabbits in one area,like the gentlean from Nevada said he ran over 70 of them in 30 miles!, you have an overpopulation issue, caused by .....US! animals that multiply in that amount are caused by lack of predators (also usually killed off by us) and/or overabundance of food,culling the bunny herd is not wrong, look at NZ and Australia in the early 1900s with rabbit epidemics!Those jackrabbits suck to eat so they probably were left there,as food for the coyotes,so it wasnt wasted,and these rabbits are highly destructive in these large numbers to crops

mtnman | 07-24-2008 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1205349) I find it hard to believe a true hunter who understands nature would endorse this type of disrespect for animals. No wonder this country has so much bad karma. http://goldismoney.info/forums/attac...1&d=1216730424
Those guys are just showing contempt for an organization that tramples all over the rights of Humans. No disrespect at all.

Black Blade | 07-24-2008 07:38 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom To think I sight in my 30.06 on Jack Rabbits. They are lots of fun to shoot with large rifles and when you get to where you can nail them on the run, it only gets better.

Black Blade | 07-24-2008 07:51 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom When I was a kid we used to get together with a few dozen other people and do a "rabbit roundup" and drive the rabbits from the fields and sage brush into the center of a collapsing circle of bat and golf club weilding farmers and kids. Then as the rabbits darted for an exit the "bunny bash" started. It was a good way to get together for some fun and eliminate a pest.

GreenSpirit | 07-24-2008 07:58 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom I think this is basically a division between those who recognize the spirit force within all sentient beings, as apart from those who think sentient beings are merely an accident of physical processes. A hunter who doesn't recognize the divine spirit that animates his quarry becomes the kind of clown that uses dead bodies to spell out words. It's true. Has anyone here killed a jackrabbit? I have. Can anybody here create a jackrabbit?

Iptuous | 07-24-2008 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1207989) Can anybody here create a jackrabbit?
I just happen to pull them out of my ass on a regular basis! :D

DodgebyDave | 07-24-2008 10:10 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1207989) I think this is basically a division between those who recognize the spirit force within all sentient beings, as apart from those who think sentient beings are merely an accident of physical processes. A hunter who doesn't recognize the divine spirit that animates his quarry becomes the kind of clown that uses dead bodies to spell out words. It's true. Has anyone here killed a jackrabbit? I have. Can anybody here create a jackrabbit?
In case you haven't been keeping up, there is only ONE sentient species on this planet. Can you create a jackrabbit? If the answer is no then you can come on down off the pedestal. Your so-called sense of the "spirit of the wild" is just that. Your emotional perception. The coyote doesn't feel it. All he feels is hunger. The bear doesn't feel it. The deer, the wolf, and ESPECIALLY the jackrabbit couldn't care less about your sense of "the spirit of the wild", Considering they don't THINK in abstract terms. LOL, while the bear may not arrange your body and take pictures to post, he sure as hell isn't going to respect you carcass much either. He eats his fill and leaves the rest to the scavengers. So what is this spirit that you are speaking of? I'm a life long hunter, trapper and fisherman. I get emotional before, during and after a kill. Then I skin that sucker and eat it. I'll make clothes out of the skin. Again I feel an emotional sense of accomplishment. Animals don't share these abstract though patterns. They are not sentient beings. They are not "aware", they have no sense of purpose. They are born, they breed and then they die. When a jackrabbit puts pen to paper and writes a novel, then I'll piss misty about the bunnies

GreenSpirit | 07-24-2008 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DodgebyDave (Post 1208187) In case you haven't been keeping up, there is only ONE sentient species on this planet. Can you create a jackrabbit? If the answer is no then you can come on down off the pedestal. Your so-called sense of the "spirit of the wild" is just that. Your emotional perception. The coyote doesn't feel it. All he feels is hunger. The bear doesn't feel it. The deer, the wolf, and ESPECIALLY the jackrabbit couldn't care less about your sense of "the spirit of the wild", Considering they don't THINK in abstract terms. LOL, while the bear may not arrange your body and take pictures to post, he sure as hell isn't going to respect you carcass much either. He eats his fill and leaves the rest to the scavengers. So what is this spirit that you are speaking of? I'm a life long hunter, trapper and fisherman. I get emotional before, during and after a kill. Then I skin that sucker and eat it. I'll make clothes out of the skin. Again I feel an emotional sense of accomplishment. Animals don't share these abstract though patterns. They are not sentient beings. They are not "aware", they have no sense of purpose. They are born, they breed and then they die. When a jackrabbit puts pen to paper and writes a novel, then I'll piss misty about the bunnies
I said nothing about any romantic "spirit of the wild," Dave; I was talking about trying to show respect for a life you destroy but cannot create. Thanks, for proving my point.

Avalon | 07-25-2008 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Dodgy Dave (Post 1208187) Animals don't share these abstract though patterns. They are not sentient beings. They are not "aware", they have no sense of purpose. They are born, they breed and then they die.
Dave are you the new Animal Whisperer? How do you know what they feel? The emotion you feel before a kill is about your accomplishment. It has nothing to do with the animal. For someone who has spent a lifetime about wildlife you seem fairly clueless about their nature. You are the one projecting to justify your actions. if you did consider they had feeling and emotions you might have to reconsider. I have spent a lifetime around animals and wildlife too. In the capacity of Veterinary work and wildlife rehab. They have plenty of feelings and emotions. Each animal is a miracle of God and need to respected and appreciated.

Avalon | 07-25-2008 12:20 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1207977) When I was a kid we used to get together with a few dozen other people and do a "rabbit roundup" and drive the rabbits from the fields and sage brush into the center of a collapsing circle of bat and golf club wielding farmers and kids. Then as the rabbits darted for an exit the "bunny bash" started. It was a good way to get together for some fun and eliminate a pest.
Ill bet you liked to set cats on fire and pull the wings off of bugs too..:thumpdown

Silver Wolf | 07-25-2008 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DodgebyDave (Post 1208187) Animals don't share these abstract though patterns. They are not sentient beings. They are not "aware", they have no sense of purpose. They are born, they breed and then they die.
See this is what controlled opposition like PETA creates. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...ia-morell-text

DodgebyDave | 07-25-2008 01:32 AM
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I said nothing about any romantic "spirit of the wild," Dave; I was talking about trying to show respect for a life you destroy but cannot create. Thanks, for proving my point.
lol Quote:
A hunter who doesn't recognize the divine spirit that animates his quarry becomes the kind of clown that uses dead bodies to spell out words. It's true.
Try having an opinion worthy of respect, and you'll get it. Thanks for proving my point. Skyvike, you and the rest are the one trying to invent what animals think. They don't think. They react based on a given instinct to a given situations. If cows thought about it, they wouldn't just walk up the ramp. Yet they do. Why is that? I know that none of you all know me, and it's highly unlikely that 99% of you ever will. Simply because most of you are so full of shit your eyes are brown. I read and pretty much keep to myself because unlike some of you I understand that I don't know everything and am constantly in search of knowledge. However, I participate in animal rescues too. If that bunny had all those so called brains why do they run in front of cars? Dogs are intelligent, yet that have no concept of that's dangerous. A child can be taught not to run out in front of cars with words. Ever try that with a dog? Any of you ever been in a forest fire? A human being understands whats going on and will more often than not find an escape. I've seen whole herds of deer run STRAIGHT into the fire. Red Tail Hawks and Eagles are two of the smarter species in nature, yet they will land right in front of a semi to snag a bite of road kill Whats up with that, mr. vet assistant? If these animals didn't do the stupid things that abstract thought tells us is stupid, you would most likely have precious little to do with this field. I have already said it's a given that they feel pain. Even a tree will scream if you strip the bark off. I know to most that sounds crazy, but I believe that. As I said, it's a given that they feel fear. Otherwise a rabbit wouldn't run from a coyote. I don't even need to get into hunger. However, I am not going to sit still for this bleeding heart anthropomorphic bullshit. Talk to the animals? sure I do. I have a nice pair of squirrels that will eat out of my hand. As a matter of fact, The Old Fart will climb up in the tree in front of the front door and bark at me wanting peanuts, that I gladly supply. Right Now, I have 3 dogs, 2 parrots, A skunk and an Opossum that shows up every year about the first snow to hide in the old outhouse until spring. No rabbits right now, however, I did get a blue ribbon in 4h many years ago with Mr. Buns. Thats not counting the ducks, geese, chickens, cows, horses and a mule named earnhardt. GF threatened to leave me once over a bass in the bathtub. 15 pounder I caught in the river, transferred him to a farm pond and have caught him several times since. You would think that he would learn that frog ain't no frog. I am not the one making the misguided assumptions here.

DodgebyDave | 07-25-2008 03:20 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Silver wolf, great link. Saved it to my favorites. Great read. However, the scientist have yet to delve into the abstract. Sure a monkey will use a stick to get ants. Even have more than one. However, in the last however many years (quite a bit longer than we have been around) has there been any improvement in the tools or method? All he knows is that if he puts a stick into a hole ants crawl on it. Thats the same as if I got out a wrench put it on a bolt and waited on it to loosen itself. Do these higher primates understand it would be more efficient to use a different type of tool to bust open this ant mound, then get a spoon to scoop them up a hundred at a time rather than wait for a few to climb on? Having an African Grey myself, I've been able to teach him to kill mice. However, If not constantly supervised, he'll bite an electrical cord and kill himself. I have no scientific data, but I think he can smell the electricity and it excites him. Monkey see, monkey doesn't always work in nature. I have had 2 cats kill themselves inside of a fifteen minute time frame chewing on THE same extension cord. What about those oh so smart dolphins that are time after time caught in the same fishing nets? Whats that old saying, fool me once, shame on you? It works with humans, most of the time. However, I did switch to box and live traps because I have become one of the greatest cat catchers in history. That, plus I derive no pleasure from intentionally making any animal suffer. if it's something I have a use for, a quick .22 to the back of the head. if it's not an animal I have a use for or want to save for another day, I let it go. Thats how I got the Opposum. Poor guy was about froze to death in one of my box traps, so I took him up to the old outhouse, gave him a dish of warm milk and a blanket and let nature do it's thing. Why does he keep coming back? It's the exact same instinct that makes a bear hibernate in a warm hole. Point is, it's always the same cats. Some might think it's cruel, but I give them a little jolt from a hotshot cattle prod to make the deal a little un-nice. Could it be that the smell of the tuna is about as abstract as it gets? As was mentioned at the head of the article, man seams to be the only species that has made fire, wrote great novels and tamed mighty rivers. Buildings and skyscrapers with running water. Electricity. Even a simple discovery such as the wheel as escaped the animal world. While I would agree that animals have language and communication, when Red Butt orders a steak with a baked potato, medium well with a pepsi, thats when I'll buy into this abstract thought theory. Sure he would know a bottle if you showed him, sure, he would remember the taste. he might even be able to tell that he doesn't like Coke. But would he understand that both would kill him? In summation; and this is my own opinion based on 45 years of raising animals, training animals, and loving animals for companionship and food, there is a fine line between base instinct and sentient abstract thought. However, the line is there. It does exist. These are animals. We are animals. But that is where the commonality ends. Even the smartest horse will get spooked by a car, even if it has been around them all their lives. How many children are frightened by car horns much past the age of 3? Year after year the same flock of ducks will skip the neighbors pond to land in mine full of decoys. Yet they see their buddies and mates die at the hands of my shotgun, but after the noise dies down they will circle and come right on back in. Before I'm done for the night I will give you this, elephants and chimpanzee's actively mourn when an offspring dies. An elephant will cry, and even abandon the heard to stay and protect a dead calf. However, a human will cry, bury it's dead and move on with the group, as it understands the finality and fruitlessness of trying to protect something that is dead. Jane Goodall's study of the gombe chimps revealed jealousy, anger, maybe even spite. Definitely rage that lead to murder, arguably one of the more interesting observations to come from the study. However, the point still stands, would this chimpanzee walk right out in front of a car if you sat food in the road? Would a human do that, or wait until the coast was clear? Therein lies the difference.

Avalon | 07-25-2008 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Dodgy Dave (Post 1208446) Silver wolf, great link. Saved it to my favorites. Great read. However, the scientist have yet to delve into the abstract. Sure a monkey will use a stick to get ants. Even have more than one. However, in the last however many years (quite a bit longer than we have been around) has there been any improvement in the tools or method? All he knows is that if he puts a stick into a hole ants crawl on it. That's the same as if I got out a wrench put it on a bolt and waited on it to loosen itself. Do these higher primates understand it would be more efficient to use a different type of tool to bust open this ant mound, then get a spoon to scoop them up a hundred at a time rather than wait for a few to climb on? Having an African Grey myself, I've been able to teach him to kill mice. However, If not constantly supervised, he'll bite an electrical cord and kill himself. I have no scientific data, but I think he can smell the electricity and it excites him. Monkey see, monkey doesn't always work in nature. I have had 2 cats kill themselves inside of a fifteen minute time frame chewing on THE same extension cord. What about those oh so smart dolphins that are time after time caught in the same fishing nets? Whats that old saying, fool me once, shame on you? It works with humans, most of the time. However, I did switch to box and live traps because I have become one of the greatest cat catchers in history. That, plus I derive no pleasure from intentionally making any animal suffer. if it's something I have a use for, a quick .22 to the back of the head. if it's not an animal I have a use for or want to save for another day, I let it go. That's how I got the Opossum. Poor guy was about froze to death in one of my box traps, so I took him up to the old outhouse, gave him a dish of warm milk and a blanket and let nature do it's thing. Why does he keep coming back? It's the exact same instinct that makes a bear hibernate in a warm hole. Point is, it's always the same cats. Some might think it's cruel, but I give them a little jolt from a hotshot cattle prod to make the deal a little unnice. Could it be that the smell of the tuna is about as abstract as it gets? As was mentioned at the head of the article, man seams to be the only species that has made fire, wrote great novels and tamed mighty rivers. Buildings and skyscrapers with running water. Electricity. Even a simple discovery such as the wheel as escaped the animal world. While I would agree that animals have language and communication, when Red Butt orders a steak with a baked potato, medium well with a Pepsi, that's when I'll buy into this abstract thought theory. Sure he would know a bottle if you showed him, sure, he would remember the taste. he might even be able to tell that he doesn't like Coke. But would he understand that both would kill him? In summation; and this is my own opinion based on 45 years of raising animals, training animals, and loving animals for companionship and food, there is a fine line between base instinct and sentient abstract thought. However, the line is there. It does exist. These are animals. We are animals. But that is where the commonality ends. Even the smartest horse will get spooked by a car, even if it has been around them all their lives. How many children are frightened by car horns much past the age of 3? Year after year the same flock of ducks will skip the neighbors pond to land in mine full of decoys. Yet they see their buddies and mates die at the hands of my shotgun, but after the noise dies down they will circle and come right on back in. Before I'm done for the night I will give you this, elephants and chimpanzee's actively mourn when an offspring dies. An elephant will cry, and even abandon the heard to stay and protect a dead calf. However, a human will cry, bury it's dead and move on with the group, as it understands the finality and fruitlessness of trying to protect something that is dead. Jane Goodall's study of the gombe chimps revealed jealousy, anger, maybe even spite. Definitely rage that lead to murder, arguably one of the more interesting observations to come from the study. However, the point still stands, would this chimpanzee walk right out in front of a car if you sat food in the road? Would a human do that, or wait until the coast was clear? Therein lies the difference.
Dave, that's Ms...not Mr. We will have to agree to disagree. Like you I have worked with animals my whole life. I trained dogs and taught training and tracking classes for 15 yrs. [human tracking not animal] I did wildlife rehab for over a decade, possums were my speciality. I was a Vet Tech for 10 yrs. My experience leads me to the opposite conclusion that animals have a wide range of human like emotions and psychic senses we don't understand and have not developed ourselves. If your point is animals do stupid things that lead to their death then that's not an impressive argument.. Fear and instinct can drive them in high risk situations just like it does humans. There are studies currently being done to find out why animals and insects flee the area before earthquakes and Tsunamis. That doesn't sound dumb to me. It sounds like they have senses we do not. Please tell me your point is not about the superior intelligence of man. Humans do really dumb stuff that ultimately leads to injury or their own demise, the death of their environment and economic structures too.. Some of us see animals as a part of the same life source as humans. They are our brothers and sisters who came her to provide service and food to humans. It is an act of love and sacrifice from the animal world and damn well needs to be appreciated and respected.

BellevueBully | 07-25-2008 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Iptuous (Post 1207477) The difference is that it would be hard to spell out something funny with just one dead mother. ...Maybe if we got his whole family's bodies it would be worth it. :D
Iptuous............you one funny mofo......:D

nub | 07-25-2008 09:39 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Avalon you are not wrong. Nature deserves our respect, killing rabbits for sport and lining them up to spell words is sickening.....and why the h3ll would you need to kill that many... BTW those are Jack rabbits! those 2 aholes have no intention of eating them......they taste like crap!! And the 2 boys, my guess is your probably right....most likely bragging. Yes there are many legitimate thoughtful hunters, sadly they are woefully out numbered by idiots with a six pack and a new gun that can't wait to kill something ..I was going to add "from the city" but there are just as many idiots in rural settings. I was going to add there are some great organizations that do alot to promote the sport....like Ducks unlimited....but there in lies the problem killing animals is not a sport!! And yes DU does do more good than harm. I've met quite a few knowledgeable hunters over the years, but sadly I've had dealings with way more low lifes that shouldn't have access to a fire arm. Any one who has bothered to read any of my posts knows I live in the wild... most of my land would be considered hunting land , hogs, deer, quail , rabbit, turkey, dove are plentiful along with all the predator species. My family has survived and flourished killing and eating these animals for more than 150 years......I never saw my great uncles spelling words with dead animals. In closing, as with most discussions the truth lies somewhere in the middle, your points were well made.....I'm glad your here Avalon :applause_

GreenSpirit | 07-25-2008 10:13 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Hey Nub, you might want to edit one particular word of your post. An unfortunate misspelling..

GreenSpirit | 07-25-2008 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 1208785) I took care of the unfortunate misspelling. Must have been a Freudian slip! :bull-buddy-icon:
Skyvike, I see you prefer the alternative spelling of "misspelling." Kinda weird but I guess it's ok. ....oh, wait

Black Blade | 07-25-2008 11:38 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom It seems about every seven years we get a population explosion on Jack Rabbits and they have to be culled with a few "bunny bashes". They really devastate fields and wipe out hay stacks. It gets really wierd but that comes from the stupid yahoos killing off predators like the coyotes and foxes.

GreenSpirit | 07-25-2008 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1208806) It seems about every seven years we get a population explosion on Jack Rabbits and they have to be culled with a few "bunny bashes". They really devastate fields and wipe out hay stacks. It gets really wierd but that comes from the stupid yahoos killing off predators like the coyotes and foxes.
No blame in controlling pest populations. The great Jackrabbit Spirit is not offended by this. It's like a game where each player should respect the opponent, even where death is the outcome. Spilling a deer's guts is not disrespect; lining up deer corpses to spell words is.

Avalon | 07-25-2008 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1208806) It seems about every seven years we get a population explosion on Jack Rabbits and they have to be culled with a few "bunny bashes". They really devastate fields and wipe out hay stacks. It gets really weird but that comes from the stupid yahoos killing off predators like the coyotes and foxes.
Anytime someone bashes a bunny with a golf club it is a barbarian act of pleasure. They could have easily been shot quickly to make sure they did not suffer. If the rabbits are a problem maybe people should stop killing the coyotes and foxes and let nature cull itself. Organizations like PETA are born because people like me who would prefer to be moderate and let nature take its course happen upon a group of grown men with gold clubs bashing bunnies and they lose their minds.. Be lucky all these people did was join PETA. If I came upon one of these little Bunnie bashing parties I would probably lose my shit and chase some rednecks with golf clubs with my pick up truck.. Now that would be entertaining.. :s9:

Black Blade | 07-25-2008 12:14 PM
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Anytime someone bashes a bunny with a golf club it is a barbarian act of pleasure. They could have easily been shot quickly to make sure they did not suffer
I see. A collapsing circle of armed men and boys rounding up rabbits and shooting toward each other would be better? Hmmm...

Avalon | 07-25-2008 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1208874) I see. A circle of armed men and boys shooting toward each other would be better? Hmmm...
It works for me :tongue_ma:

Black Blade | 07-25-2008 12:18 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Sorry, but the rabbits are devastating the barley fields - and noboby - but nobody - messes with the components that make Beer!!! When it comes to beer and rabbits - Beer wins!!!

GreenSpirit | 07-25-2008 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1208881) Sorry, but the rabbits are devastating the barley fields - and noboby - but nobody - messes with the components that make Beer!!! When it comes to beer and rabbits - Beer wins!!!
I can accept that.

mtnman | 07-25-2008 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1208860) Anytime someone bashes a bunny with a golf club it is a barbarian act of pleasure. They could have easily been shot quickly to make sure they did not suffer. If the rabbits are a problem maybe people should stop killing the coyotes and foxes and let nature cull itself. Organizations like PETA are born because people like me who would prefer to be moderate and let nature take its course happen upon a group of grown men with gold clubs bashing bunnies and they lose their minds.. Be lucky all these people did was join PETA. If I came upon one of these little Bunnie bashing parties I would probably lose my shit and chase some rednecks with golf clubs with my pick up truck.. Now that would be entertaining.. :s9:
From reading your post, If it was up to people like you the human race would starve. Those aren't "bunnies" they are pest and they will wipe out young food crops if left alone. Plant yourself a big garden, stop buying groceries and depend on your garden for food, then come here and tell us about those cute little �bunnies�. People like you have nothing better to do than try to dictate the lives of others? Clubbing "bunnies" has been going on for many generations, it's the quickest way to rid the fields of these pest. You say they should be shot? you've never tried that have you? It's near impossible to shoot enough to make a difference in the destruction the "bunnies" do. Coyotes KILL cattle, why don't they kill "bunnies", because calves are easier and more meat. Foxes eat chickens, why? Because they're easier to catch. Chasing farmers ridding the fields of pest with your truck well get you killed at best (self defense) or arrested for assault at least. Best you stay in the city and leave country ways to those who live in the country. Keep buying your meat in nice little plastic wrapped packages and your eggs in cartons.

Avalon | 07-25-2008 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mythman (Post 1208915) From reading your post, If it was up to people like you the human race would starve. Those aren't "bunnies" they are pest and they will wipe out young food crops if left alone. Plant yourself a big garden, stop buying groceries and depend on your garden for food, then come here and tell us about those cute little �bunnies�. People like you have nothing better to do than try to dictate the lives of others? Clubbing "bunnies" has been going on for many generations, it's the quickest way to rid the fields of these pest. You say they should be shot? you've never tried that have you? It's near impossible to shoot enough to make a difference in the destruction the "bunnies" do. Coyotes KILL cattle, why don't they kill "bunnies", because calves are easier and more meat. Foxes eat chickens, why? Because they're easier to catch. Chasing farmers ridding the fields of pest with your truck well get you killed at best (self defense) or arrested for assault at least. Best you stay in the city and leave country ways to those who live in the country. Keep buying your meat in nice little plastic wrapped packages and your eggs in cartons.
You assume a lot.. I live in the country..I have a garden.. We dealt with the bunnies by trapping and relocating several of them. Then my husband started peeing around the perimeters of garden and no critters have eaten a plant since then. :smokin: If you cant shoot a rabbit maybe you need better aim.

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Black Blade | 07-25-2008 01:18 PM
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my husband started peeing around the perimeters of garden and no critters have eaten a plant since then.
But the vegtables developed an odd aroma and flavour.

Avalon | 07-25-2008 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1208951) But the vegetables developed an odd aroma and flavour.
I said around the perimeters..not on the plants..:confused_ma: Instead of bunny clubbing parties try having a keg party on the barley field..

GOLD DUCK | 07-25-2008 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 1208785) I took care of the unfortunate mispelling. Must have been a Freudian slip! :bull-buddy-icon:
QWAK, "Ducks unlimited" -- the OTHER way was a LOT funnier!:hahaha::haha::haha: "Ducks unlimited' is just not as FUN!:wink: LOL the DUCK

Iptuous | 07-25-2008 02:02 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom 1 Attachment(s) This should appease all sides.

mtnman | 07-25-2008 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1208942) You assume a lot.. I live in the country..I have a garden.. We dealt with the bunnies by trapping and relocating several of them. Then my husband started peeing around the perimeters of garden and no critters have eaten a plant since then. :smokin: If you cant shoot a rabbit maybe you need better aim.
SOOO you took them to a neighbor�s farm to do there damage there? Send your husband to the great plains states to start peeing, better drink lots of water cause he's got a lot to pee on, That idea is just stupid on a large scale. Yep you live in the country, We here in east Tennessee are seeing an influx of City people moving here and claiming they live in the country. BIG difference in moving to a few acres in the country and being brought up in the country ways. Stay in the city!

GOLD DUCK | 07-25-2008 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1208942) You assume a lot.. I live in the country..I have a garden.. We dealt with the bunnies by trapping and relocating several of them. Then my husband started peeing around the perimeters of garden and no critters have eaten a plant since then. :smokin: If you cant shoot a rabbit maybe you need better aim.
QWAK,avalon,It has always seemed to ME that it is NOT so much what we do that makes it RIGHT or WRONG or percieved to be good or bad but RATHER "WHY" we do what we do.:grin: The Astecs honored and repected SO MUCH that they CUT peoples beating hearts out on alters using stone knife blades! At the same time they could and DID brain surgery on people who SURVIVED and lived long lives!:thinkey::yes: The Romans KILLED every thing that LIVED and did IT as INTERTAINEMENT -- some what like modern TV :wink: and none of the mess and smell of the COLASEAM!:hahaha::haha: I believe what we have here is a "spliting of FROG HAIRS":wink: Shure it is disrespectfull of the jacks that were killed but most likely it is because they OVER populated because FIRST they KILLED all the predators that fead mostly on JACKS! :thinkey::yes: The EARTH is a LIVING ENTITY that functions at a diferent level and what we call LIVING things including PEOPLE just live on the BACK of and ONE could make the OBSERVATION that "PEOPLE" are an INFESTATION,perhaps a DISEASE:questionm to the LIVING EARTH. Harmony is NICE but in EXCESS all things are BAD --- people are DANGEROUS to all OTHER living things.:yes: But JUST the same one must spend ones time wisely. As a kid I brought home an injered pigion and nuresed him back to health,called him ROCKIE.:wink: trained him to come to me for food --- after a wile WE could not get rid of him,and he brought FRIENDS:yes: Rockie and his friends were very MESSEY and NOISEY! For years we tried every thing but they just kept coming back so finely pop started shooting them with my BB gun,it did not realy hurt them and did not make them leave either! After I went off to the army dad got a SLING SHOT and when I came back all them pigions were GONE!:hahaha::haha: It is WHY we DO what WE DO that matters MOST as all things are RIGHT and GOOD -- SOME TIMES!:wink::grin: the DUCK

JCarvingblock | 07-25-2008 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1208915) From reading your post, If it was up to people like you the human race would starve. Those aren't "bunnies" they are pest and they will wipe out young food crops if left alone. Plant yourself a big garden, stop buying groceries and depend on your garden for food, then come here and tell us about those cute little �bunnies�. People like you have nothing better to do than try to dictate the lives of others? Clubbing "bunnies" has been going on for many generations, it's the quickest way to rid the fields of these pest. You say they should be shot? you've never tried that have you? It's near impossible to shoot enough to make a difference in the destruction the "bunnies" do. Coyotes KILL cattle, why don't they kill "bunnies", because calves are easier and more meat. Foxes eat chickens, why? Because they're easier to catch. Chasing farmers ridding the fields of pest with your truck well get you killed at best (self defense) or arrested for assault at least. Best you stay in the city and leave country ways to those who live in the country. Keep buying your meat in nice little plastic wrapped packages and your eggs in cartons.
I'm with the Mountain Man on this and with Black Blade. With some respect to Avalon, who says she does have a garden, then I'll just point out that what works in a garden of a few hundred square feet does not work when you are talking about section after section (square miles) of grain fields. The bunny drives and clubs work. No poison, no gunshots in close range. Dead is dead, and the clubs are quick. A few kids probably enjoy this at first, but after you have killed a couple hundred of anything, it turns into another job that is probably distasteful to most folks. c

Avalon | 07-25-2008 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by GOLD DUCK (Post 1209024) QWAK,avalon,It has always seemed to ME that it is NOT so much what we do that makes it RIGHT or WRONG or perceived to be good or bad but RATHER "WHY" we do what we do.:grin: The Aztecs honored and respected SO MUCH that they CUT peoples beating hearts out on alters using stone knife blades! At the same time they could and DID brain surgery on people who SURVIVED and lived long lives!:thinky::yes: The Romans KILLED every thing that LIVED and did IT as INTERTAINEMENT -- some what like modern TV :wink: and none of the mess and smell of the COLASEAM!:hahaha::haha: I believe what we have here is a "splitting of FROG HAIRS":wink: Sure it is disrespectful of the jacks that were killed but most likely it is because they OVER populated because FIRST they KILLED all the predators that read mostly on JACKS! :thinky::yes: The EARTH is a LIVING ENTITY that functions at a different level and what we call LIVING things including PEOPLE just live on the BACK of and ONE could make the OBSERVATION that "PEOPLE" are an INFESTATION,perhaps a DISEASE:questions to the LIVING EARTH. Harmony is NICE but in EXCESS all things are BAD --- people are DANGEROUS to all OTHER living things.:yes: But JUST the same one must spend ones time wisely. As a kid I brought home an injured pigeon and nursed him back to health,called him ROCKIE.:wink: trained him to come to me for food --- after a wile WE could not get rid of him,and he brought FRIENDS:yes: Rockie and his friends were very MESSEY and NOISEY! For years we tried every thing but they just kept coming back so finely pop started shooting them with my BB gun,it did not really hurt them and did not make them leave either! After I went off to the army dad got a SLING SHOT and when I came back all them pigeons were GONE!:hahaha::haha: It is WHY we DO what WE DO that matters MOST as all things are RIGHT and GOOD -- SOME TIMES!:wink::grin: the DUCK
I agree Duck.. and at the moment there is a excess of humans that Mother nature will probably be taking care of soon.. Its the natural balance..

CattleRancher | 07-25-2008 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1203878) People Eating Tasty Animals
I'm a member of this version of PETA.

Iptuous | 07-25-2008 06:06 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Y'know, I'm honestly kinda dismayed that nobody has commented on my ingenious solution to this whole argument in my previous post.^^^ I think i should get a medal. . toot(my_horn)

Olmstein | 07-25-2008 07:06 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom OK, Iptuous, nice work with the photoshop.

Olmstein | 07-25-2008 07:13 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom I must say I agree with DodgebyDave and MtnMan here. Good points made by both of you. And, can someone post a link to the smoked meat forum?

BellevueBully | 07-25-2008 10:57 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom There is room for all of the Lord's creatures............right next to the mashed potatoes and corn...............

GreenSpirit | 07-26-2008 12:07 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Just because you keep yapping doesn't mean you made much sense; it just means you're upholding your tradition.

gangsta99 | 07-26-2008 12:37 AM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Doesn't PETA have their own forums? I am sure it is full of good useful information for if and when TSHTF. I mean I am sure you can like stay warm with the animals on a cold winter night as you are starving to death. Hell maybe you can even feed the animals what little you have left so they are treated well and proper. I mean the animals are our future. :sarcasm: :applause_

Worldmariner | 07-26-2008 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Silver Wolf (Post 1203916) Peta is more controlled opposition. They do more harm than good for their cause. I'm against cruel testing on animals, torturing them, or killing them just for fun. I'm pro hunting and fishing (I'm a fishing fanatic) but I'm against using dead animal's bodies to disrespectfully spell out words. If an living thing has to die, at least have a little respect for nature. I swear this world has gone completely insane.
You have exactly summed up my position on this matter!!

HUB90LX | 08-02-2008 12:39 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom Well, like I say. There's room for all of GODs creatures...right next to the potatoes. HUB

erocktxmade | 08-02-2008 01:36 PM
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KingTheoden | 08-05-2008 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1205379) Most of the hunters I know make good use of most of the animal they kill. There's just parts of the body that you cant use for anything. Ive got a bridge to sell ya =) You do know that the only thing that makes the chicken free range is that they leave the door open for the chickens to walk out if they choose to do so right? And that most of the chickens choose to stay in the coop? http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4047
Come on, are you seriously arguing that chickens at a KFC factory do not lead substantively worse lives than those that can walk around? I'll take a look at the Skeptoid, but have a feeling it is a Csicop affiliate. Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1207989) I think this is basically a division between those who recognize the spirit force within all sentient beings, as apart from those who think sentient beings are merely an accident of physical processes. A hunter who doesn't recognize the divine spirit that animates his quarry becomes the kind of clown that uses dead bodies to spell out words. It's true. Has anyone here killed a jackrabbit? I have. Can anybody here create a jackrabbit?
Exactly. Anyone who does not acknowledge the spirit of animals is truly detached from the Universe. Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1207977) When I was a kid we used to get together with a few dozen other people and do a "rabbit roundup" and drive the rabbits from the fields and sage brush into the center of a collapsing circle of bat and golf club weilding farmers and kids. Then as the rabbits darted for an exit the "bunny bash" started. It was a good way to get together for some fun and eliminate a pest.
I'm sorry to hear that and even more sorry that you seem to be bragging about that. I know it must have made you feel tough torturing animals and might have led you to believe, for a fleeting instant, that your penis was much larger. How about next time you rescue some turtles from the middle of the road like me and a retired cop did. Quote:
Originally Posted by DodgebyDave (Post 1208187) In case you haven't been keeping up, there is only ONE sentient species on this planet. Can you create a jackrabbit? If the answer is no then you can come on down off the pedestal. Your so-called sense of the "spirit of the wild" is just that. Your emotional perception. The coyote doesn't feel it. All he feels is hunger. The bear doesn't feel it. The deer, the wolf, and ESPECIALLY the jackrabbit couldn't care less about your sense of "the spirit of the wild", Considering they don't THINK in abstract terms. LOL, while the bear may not arrange your body and take pictures to post, he sure as hell isn't going to respect you carcass much either. He eats his fill and leaves the rest to the scavengers. So what is this spirit that you are speaking of? I'm a life long hunter, trapper and fisherman. I get emotional before, during and after a kill. Then I skin that sucker and eat it. I'll make clothes out of the skin. Again I feel an emotional sense of accomplishment. Animals don't share these abstract though patterns. They are not sentient beings. They are not "aware", they have no sense of purpose. They are born, they breed and then they die. When a jackrabbit puts pen to paper and writes a novel, then I'll piss misty about the bunnies
This entire post is intellectual gibberish to me. Dolphins are extremely adept at learning our languages and mannerisms. Shelties can quickly learn commands and judge right from wrong. Case in point: my sheltie wanted to go downstairs in the morning for his walk and get food. However, my cat was blocking his charge down the staircase. If the dog had no abstract thought pattern potential, he would not have stood still waiting for me to realize that I had to move the cat. He would have just stepped on the feline on his way to sustenance. I don't get the argument that since I cannot create a jackrabbit, it therefore is not sentient. One might suggest animals are not sapient (something I would disagree with), but to emphatically state that they are not sentient is pretty surprising.

GOLD DUCK | 08-05-2008 12:32 PM
Re: PETA Infected Teacher Goes Insane In School Lunchroom QWAK,To LIVE things must DIE and the ENERGY/LIFE FORCE is passed on -- that is LIFE and NATURE. AS a SENTIENT BEING I find helping others to be an event that can bring pleasure to my self and others includes other life forms diferent from my own. A fiew years back I found a humming bird that had become confused by a sky light in my work shop and fell down virtualy dead and I happened to notice it as I was looking for a tool wile I was working on a project. I pickedit up and blew in its face then got a bottle cap full of cold sugar water and held its tiney head from floping over as I put ir beek in the sugar water. After a moment its tiney toung came out and it opened its eyes, iT did not move other than drinking for several minutes but gradgualy could hold up its head and then stand in my hand still drinking cold sugar water. When it was ready it hoped in to the air and hovered about 3 feet away and I wished it a good life and then it was gone.:grin: I don't remember the project I was working on BUT I will always remember that little HUMMING BIRD!:wink: holding somthing so tiney in my hand and then seeing it FLY agen was WONDERFULL and SPECIAL!:s9: You can't help and save every one and every thing:thinkey: BUT when YOU CAN and DO save a life, it is a SPECIAL time and a lot more FUN than TAKING a LIFE!:yes: the DUCK

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