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WAoG | 03-29-2009 11:26 PM
New York state rules about traveling Anyone know the rules for taking guns and ammo throught the state of N.Y.? I want to cut through N.Y. state and Pennsylvania anyone know the rules for cutting through these states with guns and ammo? I'm not at this time talking about a collection and thousands of rounds of ammo. But I would like to know those rules also. I'm talking one or two pistols and a rifle for self defense. Thank you for your help with this!

pusher | 03-29-2009 11:30 PM
Re: New York state rules about traveling Try this link, it should help some. http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/#?st=NY

WAoG | 03-29-2009 11:41 PM
Re: New York state rules about traveling Thank you!! But my computer needs work and I cannot read the info.

pusher | 03-30-2009 12:43 AM
Re: New York state rules about traveling Ok, lets try this, direct from the state of NY. NON-RESIDENTS It is unlawful for any person to carry, possess or transport a handgun in or through the state unless he has a valid New York license. (A provision of federal law provides a defense to state or local laws which would prohibit the passage of persons with firearms in interstate travel if the person is traveling from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport a firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm and the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console). A member or coach of an accredited college or university target pistol team may transport a handgun into or through New York to participate in a collegiate, Olympic or target pistol shooting competition provided that the handgun is unloaded and carried in a locked carrying case and the ammunition is carried in a separate locked container. Non-resident target shooters may enter or pass through New York State with handguns for the purposes of any NRA approved competition or IHMSA sanctioned match, within 48 hours of the competition, if the competitor has in his possession a copy of the match program, proof of entry and a pistol license from his state of residence. The handgun must be unloaded and transported in a locked opaque container. This provision does not apply in NY cities not wholly contained within a single county or to people with felony convictions. Possession of firearms by a person who is a nonresident of this state is lawful while attending or traveling to or from an organized convention or exhibition approved by the NRA, and in which the nonresident is a registered participant within forty-eight hours of such event, provided that the nonresident has not been previously convicted of a felony and further provided that the firearms are transported unloaded in a locked opaque container together with a copy of the convention or exhibition program, convention or exhibition schedule or convention or exhibition registration card. This provision does not apply in NY cities not wholly contained within a single county. A non-immigrant alien may possess a rifle or shotgun for use while hunting provided he has a valid hunting license issued by New York State and an approved gun import form from the BATFE. I hope that helps.

foolsgold | 03-30-2009 12:57 AM
Re: New York state rules about traveling Keep you gun and ammo seperate. Gun in the trunk ammo up front.

Tn...Andy | 03-30-2009 04:34 AM
Re: New York state rules about traveling Federal "safe passage" gun law: 18 USC 926A Interstate Transportation of Firearms. Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. My understanding is it applies for passage through ANY State, as long as only short stops for fuel/food are done. I keep a copy of it with me when traveling in case you have to "educate" a local LEO. I've traveled through some exceedingly unfriendly gun States and never had to apply this law as I was never stopped.

WAoG | 03-31-2009 11:36 PM
Re: New York state rules about traveling Thank you for the information. Its mind blowing the people in this state have not revolted. I friends says when her dad dies the cops will come into the house and take his guns? Her family lives in N.Y.

Nomoss | 04-01-2009 02:38 AM
Re: New York state rules about traveling �No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson So what type of government do we have?

Fatboy | 04-01-2009 07:57 AM
Re: New York state rules about traveling Quote:
Originally Posted by WAoG (Post 1656700) Thank you for the information. Its mind blowing the people in this state have not revolted. I friends says when her dad dies the cops will come into the house and take his guns? Her family lives in N.Y.
I think that may be a tad of an exaggeration. It may be the vision of how the State of NY would like the system to work but there is a disconnect between the real world and the Firearms Division of The NYS Police. In most counties the local Sheriff's office are the administrators for the State Police and don't watch the obituaries and cross reference them to their clientele like they do in Onondaga or like the folks at your local bank do, they depend on the estate to turn the pistols in until they can be legally transferred to another license holder. I read an article some time ago (attached below) regarding this very topic and it told how many pistols were owned by dead people in that county. If your friend is truly concerned about her family loosing the weapons, she should get her own licence (if she meets the "legal requirements", age, lack of criminal background, etc., pretty much the same as any other state for a CCL and actually easier than some Florida, Utah, Colorado just to name a few), and have the firearms placed upon her permit at passing. If her Dad and she wants to, they can both have the same pistol on each others license now while he is alive and avoid any issues at his passing. This is done all the time, not a problem. If the family does not want to keep the weapons after his passing, they can also take them to a FFL of their choice and sell them or leave them for consignment sale, they just need to get a receipt for the guns that they left there, they need to then take the receipt to the local Pistol Permit Bureau and they can remove the firearms from the deceased persons license. Here the local Sheriff will hold in their care the weapons of the deceased for a year until the family can make arrangements for what they would like to do with them. Here's that article, I found it over at The Firing Line. The link doesn't work any longer due to it age but here is the article in it's entirety. http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...9_ahnguns.html "Where Are All The Guns? By John O'Brien The crinkly document, filled out in 1942, says a 64-year-old man got a license to carry a .38-caliber revolver to protect himself and his home on Fitch Street in Syracuse. The man's stern, mustachioed face stares out from a thumbprint-size black-and-white photograph attached to the license. It is still valid. As far as Onondaga County and New York state are concerned, the man is alive and well and packing heat. He would be 122 years old. And he's not the only one. As many as 4,000 other cases like his are under scrutiny at Onondaga County Sheriff's Department headquarters. The licenses belong to people who would be at least 75 years old if they are alive. Many of the gun owners would be in their mid-100s. "I think it's safe to assume they're no longer with us," Sgt. Thomas Metz, head of the sheriff's department's records section, said of the oldest license holders. "The question is, where are the handguns?" Since pistol license holders own an average of three guns each, about 12,000 handguns are likely out there, either held illegally by relatives or unaccounted for, Metz said. The sheriff's department calls those 4,000 files "suspect licenses." A detective has so far found one case in which a pistol license holder died and one of his guns wound up on the streets, traded for drugs by a criminal. Metz and Deputy Gary Rudiger stumbled onto the glut of unaccounted-for handguns five years ago, when they started looking for a way to reduce the load of paper records in the pistol license unit. When they discovered the vast number of licenses that apparently belonged to dead people, Metz and Rudiger looked at each other and said, "What about all those guns?" The record-keeping problem had become a public safety problem. "We have people who, according to our records and the records that the state has, were in their 70s and 80s in 1937, and we still show them as alive and well and having their handguns," Metz said. "The good news is, we're not ignoring it." It is now Detective Ray Herrick's job to track down the suspect licenses and either retrieve the guns or report them missing to a national crime information database. He'll reach into files that go back to 1931 to do it, and it will take at least five years, probably much longer, Metz said. A federal grant of $30,000 allowed the sheriff's department to hire two retired deputies to do the normal work of the pistol unit supervisor so Herrick can start his mission. That means tracking down the gun owners' survivors and asking for weapons that they're illegally holding - often unwittingly. State law requires relatives of a pistol license holder to turn in that person's handguns within 15 days of his or her death. If the guns remain in the home, it's a misdemeanor. Most people don't know about the law, Herrick said. But they don't have to fear his knock on their door. "We're not out to arrest anyone," Herrick said. "Our responsibility is to investigate the whereabouts of these guns." Sheriff's officials met with the Onondaga-Oswego Funeral Directors Association a month ago to tell them about their project. The funeral directors, who had been unaware of the state law, have started passing on the information to grieving families. It has become part of their routine checklist to ask a dead person's survivor if he or she had any licensed handguns at home, said Patricia A. Knight, treasurer of the association. The county's project is getting started as a national debate rages over handgun control and how to reduce the number of weapons available to criminals. The project should serve notice that thousands of unaccounted-for guns would have been off the streets if people had known the law and followed it, Metz said. "We've got a 50-year problem here," he said. "We're going to be at this for a while." After discovering the problem in 1995, sheriff's department clerks spent the next 15 months typing the name of every one of the county's 41,000 pistol license holders into the department's Criminal History Arrest Information Reporting System, or CHAIRS. Now every week or two, the county's Bureau of Vital Statistics sends over a list of people who have died in the county to the sheriff's department. The list is sometimes 100 names long. The sheriff's department tries to match every name with one of the pistol license holders in CHAIRS. They've matched 736 people. Herrick's next task is to find the families of those people. Of the 736, Herrick estimates that relatives turned in the guns in about 20 cases. Herrick plans to mail a letter to each license holder's family, detailing state law requirements for turning in handguns. Relatives would need to apply for a license for themselves to keep a handgun. He said he knows better than to come barging through the door. "We have to tread lightly," Herrick said. "I can't just call up and say, 'I'm a cop and I want your guns.' " If the handguns can't be located, they'll be listed in a national crime database. The problem is not unique to Onondaga County. Officials at the state police's pistol license division know of no other county that has started tracking down the pistol licenses of people who are probably dead. But it's likely that a good number of the 1,163,040 pistol licenses in the state belong to people who are long gone, said Sgt. James Sherman, head of the state police pistol license unit. In Oswego County, the clerk's office sent out letters to the 12,000 pistol license holders in that county about 18 months ago, after a judge saw what was happening in Onondaga County, Oswego County Clerk George Williams said. About 9,000 of the pistol license holders notified the clerk's office that they still had the guns. The remaining 3,000 are unaccounted for, Williams said. But Oswego County is not actively tracking down the handguns in those cases, he said. Metz said he hopes Onondaga County's project will become a pilot for the state. He also hopes the shock of discovering how many guns might be unaccounted for will prompt a change in state law to make gun owners in Onondaga County renew their licenses every five years. That has already happened in Westchester, Nassau and Suffolk counties. At the very least, Metz said, he hopes that by computerizing pistol licenses, his unit will be able to send out notices every five years to every gun owner to determine which license holders might be dead or have moved away. Herrick reads the obituaries in the newspaper every day, looking for the names of any of the older pistol license holders. The goal is to get as many of the handguns out of homes as he can, to prevent them from being stolen in burglaries and used on the street. Herrick cited one case in which a licensed pistol holder died in September. After the man's widow died about a month ago, her sister-in-law went through the house and collected the two guns that remained there, Herrick said. That woman's 37-year-old son broke into her home last month, stole one of the handguns and traded it on the street for crack cocaine, Herrick said. The weapon, a 22-caliber revolver, was loaded with five rounds. It's still missing. If the man's widow had turned in that gun last year, it would have been in police custody, Herrick said. Herrick had to track down six other handguns that were listed on that man's license. He determined that over the years, starting in 1948, the man had sold or given them to other licensed gun owners without notifying the pistol license unit as the law required. In addition to the 41,000 pistol licenses stored at sheriff's department headquarters, at least 20,000 more fill 27 storage boxes at the sheriff's annex in DeWitt. For unknown reasons, those files were shipped to the annex, though their dates overlap with the files at headquarters. The annex files await Herrick once he's finished tracking down the 4,000 suspect licenses at headquarters. The job will undoubtedly be tedious. But it's more than cleaning up old records, Metz said. "We know that at the end of the line in each of these cases," he said, "there's a gun." Sunday, April 9, 2000"

WAoG | 09-28-2009 02:18 AM
Re: New York state rules about traveling "If your friend is truly concerned about her family loosing the weapons, she should get her own licence (if she meets the "legal requirements", age, lack of criminal background, etc., pretty much the same as any other state for a CCL and actually easier than some Florida, Utah, Colorado just to name a few), and have the firearms placed upon her permit at passing. If her Dad and she wants to, they can both have the same pistol on each others license now while he is alive and avoid any issues at his passing." She did not live in NY. She died. Her dad got all the guns at her house. The one that was with her when she died went missing. Cop, ranger, or tow truck driver I think got that one? Her dad got most (or all) her gold over half her silver and some of her bucks.

Fatboy | 09-28-2009 08:07 AM
Re: New York state rules about traveling Quote:
Originally Posted by WAoG (Post 1943816) "If your friend is truly concerned about her family loosing the weapons, she should get her own licence (if she meets the "legal requirements", age, lack of criminal background, etc., pretty much the same as any other state for a CCL and actually easier than some Florida, Utah, Colorado just to name a few), and have the firearms placed upon her permit at passing. If her Dad and she wants to, they can both have the same pistol on each others license now while he is alive and avoid any issues at his passing." She did not live in NY. She died. Her dad got all the guns at her house. The one that was with her when she died went missing. Cop, ranger, or tow truck driver I think got that one? Her dad got most (or all) her gold over half her silver and some of her bucks.
Sorry to hear of you friend passing. If the guns that the dad took back home were left to him, and all long guns, it is OK (providing none of them are evil "assault weapons" manufactured after the date of the original nationwide ban, Class III registered or taken into the "Five Buroughs" of NYC without the proper license). If any of them were handguns, they should have been transferred into the State of NY through a FFL and placed on his CCL. A few questions: What were the reqirements for notification of the PD for the weapon that "went missing" in her state? What are his plans for the weapons if something was to happen to him in the future? Regardless of what state one resides in, this is yet another thing that one should consider as part of their estate planning. I hope it all works out for him.

Lt Dan | 09-28-2009 03:41 PM
Re: New York state rules about traveling Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1653000) Federal "safe passage" gun law: 18 USC 926A Interstate Transportation of Firearms. Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. My understanding is it applies for passage through ANY State, as long as only short stops for fuel/food are done. I keep a copy of it with me when traveling in case you have to "educate" a local LEO. I've traveled through some exceedingly unfriendly gun States and never had to apply this law as I was never stopped.
Thanks Andy, I am planning a trip to the south and my permit is good all the way. Well, actually I have two different state permits that allow for CCW all the way south, but I do travel through some nasty states (NY) that are not gun friendly to non-residents, nor in my opinion, NY is not all that friendly to its residents either.

WAoG | 09-29-2009 01:26 PM
Re: New York state rules about traveling Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboy (Post 1943947) Sorry to hear of you friend passing. If the guns that the dad took back home were left to him, and all long guns, it is OK (providing none of them are evil "assault weapons" manufactured after the date of the original nationwide ban, Class III registered or taken into the "Five Buroughs" of NYC without the proper license). If any of them were handguns, they should have been transferred into the State of NY through a FFL and placed on his CCL. A few questions: What were the reqirements for notification of the PD for the weapon that "went missing" in her state? What are his plans for the weapons if something was to happen to him in the future? Regardless of what state one resides in, this is yet another thing that one should consider as part of their estate planning. I hope it all works out for him.
Thank you for the condolences I miss her like crazy. Her dad could care less about NYs laws and took all her guns back. He said he was personal friends with local police chief and the sheriff. He would do want was needed to do when he was home. I have no clue about missing weapon law. I think he is going to sell the guns and ammo.

Culture | 10-05-2009 12:29 PM
Re: New York state rules about traveling Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboy (Post 1656994) "Where Are All The Guns? By John O'Brien The crinkly document, filled out in 1942, says a 64-year-old man got a license to carry a .38-caliber revolver to protect himself and his home on Fitch Street in Syracuse. <snip> "We know that at the end of the line in each of these cases," he said, "there's a gun." Sunday, April 9, 2000"
OMG, scary guns. I thank God every day that I live in Texas.

SLV>GLD | 10-05-2009 12:51 PM
Re: New York state rules about traveling Unfortunately, I have been stopped in many states while transporting weapons. In fact, I am transporting weapons every time I get stopped. I always observe the safe passage laws and have never had the slightest problem with LEOs as a result. When asked if you are transporting weapons the answer is a simple yes. Any further answers should only indicate that you are abiding by the safe passage laws. One does not have to identify the make of the weapons being transported and doing so could be contrived as consent to search. Obvious transport according to safe passage laws can be advantageous for less obvious transport not according to safe passage laws.

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