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Buddha | 01-21-2009 01:49 AM
Gun Law Update, Gun Ban List http://www.gunlaws.com/GunLawUpdate3.htm Gun Law Update by Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America Jan. 5, 2008 Gun-ban list proposed Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady's plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady's current plans and targets of opportunity. It's horrific. They're going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms eaglers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They've made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states' rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse): Rifles (or copies or duplicates): M1 Carbine, Sturm Ruger Mini-14, AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, AR-10, Thompson 1927, Thompson M1; AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR; Olympic Arms PCR; AR70, Calico Liberty, Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz). Pistols (or copies or duplicates): Calico M-110, MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3, Olympic Arms OA, TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10, Uzi. Shotguns (or copies or duplicates): Armscor 30 BG, SPAS 12 or LAW 12, Striker 12, Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs): A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below), (iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud. Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rimfire rifles). A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has (i) a second pistol grip, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a barrel shroud or (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and (v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds. A semiautomatic shotgun with (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a pistol grip (see definition below), (iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and (iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder. Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits. Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any "semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. " Note; that Obama's pick for this office (Eric Holder, confirmation hearing set forJan. 15) wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, "there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event. " In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public. The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn't have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose -- is that devious or what? And of course, "sporting purpose" is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent. Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America

Bogie | 01-21-2009 02:21 AM
Re: Gun Law Update, Gun Ban List Already started in 2009. H.R.45: Quote:
Blair Holt�s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 (HR45 Introduced in House) (a) Findings- Congress finds that� (1) the manufacture, distribution, and importation of firearms is inherently commercial in nature; (2) firearms regularly move in interstate commerce; (3) to the extent that firearms trafficking is intrastate in nature, it arises out of and is substantially connected with a commercial transaction, which, when viewed in the aggregate, substantially affects interstate commerce; (4) because the intrastate and interstate trafficking of firearms are so commingled, full regulation of interstate commerce requires the incidental regulation of intrastate commerce; (5) gun violence in the United States is associated with the majority of homicides, over half the suicides, and two-thirds of non-fatal violent injuries; and (6) on the afternoon of May 10, 2007, Blair Holt, a junior at Julian High School in Chicago, was killed on a public bus riding home from school when he used his body to shield a girl who was in the line of fire after a young man boarded the bus and started shooting. (b) Sense of the Congress- It is the sense of the Congress that� (1) firearms trafficking is prevalent and widespread in and among the States, and it is usually impossible to distinguish between intrastate trafficking and interstate trafficking; and (2) it is in the national interest and within the role of the Federal Government to ensure that the regulation of firearms is uniform among the States, that law enforcement can quickly and effectively trace firearms used in crime, and that firearms owners know how to use and safely store their firearms. (c) Purposes- The purposes of this Act and the amendments made by this Act are� (1) to protect the public against the unreasonable risk of injury and death associated with the unrecorded sale or transfer of qualifying firearms to criminals and youth; (2) to ensure that owners of qualifying firearms are knowledgeable in the safe use, handling, and storage of those firearms; (3) to restrict the availability of qualifying firearms to criminals, youth, and other persons prohibited by Federal law from receiving firearms; and (4) to facilitate the tracing of qualifying firearms used in crime by Federal and State law enforcement agencies. You see congress can not regulate anything but interstate commerce so they just declare the guns in our homes interstate commerce and now they can require them to be licensed. `(aa) Firearm Licensing Requirement- `(1) IN GENERAL- It shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to possess a qualifying firearm on or after the applicable date, unless that person has been issued a firearm license� (a) In General- In order to be issued a firearm license under this title, an individual shall submit to the Attorney General (in accordance with the regulations promulgated under subsection (b)) an application, which shall include� (1) a current, passport-sized photograph of the applicant that provides a clear, accurate likeness of the applicant; (2) the name, address, and date and place of birth of the applicant; (3) any other name that the applicant has ever used or by which the applicant has ever been known; (4) a clear thumb print of the applicant, which shall be made when, and in the presence of the entity to whom, the application is submitted; (5) with respect to each category of person prohibited by Federal law, or by the law of the State of residence of the applicant, from obtaining a firearm, a statement that the individual is not a person prohibited from obtaining a firearm; (6) a certification by the applicant that the applicant will keep any firearm owned by the applicant safely stored and out of the possession of persons who have not attained 18 years of age; (7) a certificate attesting to the completion at the time of application of a written firearms examination, which shall test the knowledge and ability of the applicant regarding� (A) the safe storage of firearms, particularly in the vicinity of persons who have not attained 18 years of age; (B) the safe handling of firearms; (C) the use of firearms in the home and the risks associated with such use; (D) the legal responsibilities of firearms owners, including Federal, State, and local laws relating to requirements for the possession and storage of firearms, and relating to reporting requirements with respect to firearms; and (E) any other subjects, as the Attorney General determines to be appropriate; (8) an authorization by the applicant to release to the Attorney General or an authorized representative of the Attorney General any mental health records pertaining to the applicant; (9) the date on which the application was submitted; and (10) the signature of the applicant. So you have to apply to the new Obama anti gun att general to get permission to keep your gun. So much for Obama not being anti gun Hu. I don�t see Obama saying he won�t pass this new democrat party bill. This law is unconstitutional because guns in our homes are not interstate commerce 1 and 2 even if they were it violates your 2nd amendment right to have a gun if you can not pass the permit rules not to mention the huge fees they will charge to prevent you from applying. SEC. 202. FIREARM RECORDS. (a) Submission of Sale or Transfer Reports- Not later than 14 days after the date on which the transfer of qualifying firearm is processed by a licensed dealer under section 922(bb) of title 18, United States Code (as added by section 201 of this Act), the licensed dealer shall submit to the Attorney General (or, in the case of a licensed dealer located in a State that has a State firearm licensing and record of sale system certified under section 602 of this Act, to the head of the State agency that administers that system) a report of that transfer, which shall include information relating to� (1) the manufacturer of the firearm; (2) the model name or number of the firearm; (3) the serial number of the firearm; (4) the date on which the firearm was received by the transferee; (5) the number of a valid firearm license issued to the transferee under title I of this Act; and (6) the name and address of the individual who transferred the firearm to the transferee. (b) Federal Record of Sale System- Not later than 9 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall establish and maintain a Federal record of sale system, which shall include the information included in each report submitted to the Attorney General under subsection (a). (c) Elimination of Prohibition on Establishment of System of Registration- Section 926(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking the second sentence. So just to make it worse the bill creates a national firearm database of all guns to be stored with the Attorney General.

pot_dragon | 01-21-2009 03:49 AM
Re: Gun Law Update, Gun Ban List If this list in OP is correct, then SKS with a fixed 10 round mag would still be legal. Get your SKSs now!

The Argent Dragon | 01-21-2009 09:11 AM
Re: Gun Law Update, Gun Ban List Quote:
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below), (iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Well that BANS about 90% on the market today..........the GUN industry will shrivel and dry up instantly. :36_1_63:

Twisted Avatar | 01-21-2009 09:28 AM
Re: Gun Law Update, Gun Ban List Quote:
Originally Posted by pot_dragon (Post 1522346) If this list in OP is correct, then SKS with a fixed 10 round mag would still be legal. Get your SKSs now!
As soon as people start swarming you dont think they are gonna 'update' this list??? T

Twisted Avatar | 01-21-2009 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1522563) Well that BANS about 90% on the market today..........the GUN industry will shrivel and dry up instantly. :36_1_63:
Which has been the plan all along.

The Argent Dragon | 01-21-2009 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1522588) As soon as people start swarming you dont think they are gonna 'update' this list??? T
YIKES ! ~ it looks like the Atty. Gen. gets to 'update' the list at HIS discretion. :puke: Quote:
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any "semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. "
That's WAY too much power for an A.G. :rant: :thumpdown :banghead:

moreair | 01-22-2009 04:48 PM
Re: Gun Law Update, Gun Ban List :banghead:Why Why Why Why Why must they be such jerk offs?:s10:

sluggo | 01-22-2009 05:01 PM
Re: Gun Law Update, Gun Ban List Quote:
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any "semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.
This is BO's Attorney General nomimee: Quote:
The incoming President's choice for U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder, is an anti-gun extremist who has assailed gun owners since his days in the Bill Clinton administration. Holder, who served as Deputy Attorney General from 1997-2001, supports a 3-day waiting period for handgun purchases, one-gun-a-month rationing, licensing and registration of all gun owners, mandatory so-called smart gun technology, a lifetime gun ban for certain juvenile offenses and regulating gun shows out of existence. As Janet Reno's top deputy, Eric Holder was the go to guy on gun control issues. In a 1999 statement, Holder told members of Congress not to cave in to "the special interest that value the cold hard steel of guns more than the lives of children, neighbors and police officers," and urged them to pass legislation that would have destroyed the gun show industry.
http://gunowners.org/a011309.htm

The Argent Dragon | 01-22-2009 05:13 PM
Re: Gun Law Update, Gun Ban List Quote:
Originally Posted by moreair (Post 1525556) :banghead:Why Why Why Why Why must they be such jerk offs?:s10:
What's worse is they get PAID to do it !!! :rant: :banghead: :thumpdown

Abouthadit | 01-22-2009 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1525621) What's worse is they get PAID to do it !!! :rant: :banghead: :thumpdown
worse than that.... IT's OUR MONEY. grrrrr :36_1_28::censored:

Mill Man | 01-22-2009 09:04 PM
Re: Gun Law Update, Gun Ban List During Vietnam tens of thousands of rounds were fired per enemy killed. During Vietnam snipers averaged 1 kill per <2 bullets using bolt action rifles.. (sources vary from 1.3-1.7). Just saying.

wallew | 01-22-2009 09:12 PM
Re: Gun Law Update, Gun Ban List Brady Campaign FOR YOUR GUNS I've posted this before - it's a PDF file of Brady's plans for YOUR GUNS. And gee, I've been sayinbg this over and over again, they don't CARE what the law is now. All they have to do is CHANGE IT and your so called rights go out the window. Get it? That's what's coming. It has begun. Second day in office.

Dirty Harry | 01-22-2009 09:13 PM
Re: Gun Law Update, Gun Ban List 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by Mill Man (Post 1526100) During Vietnam tens of thousands of rounds were fired per enemy killed. During Vietnam snipers averaged 1 kill per <2 bullets using bolt action rifles.. (sources vary from 1.3-1.7). Just saying.
Just agreeing..http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/R...t_Package.html $80

Twisted Avatar | 01-22-2009 09:37 PM
Re: Gun Law Update, Gun Ban List GET READY PEOPLE.........A CHANGE IS GONNA COME. You Tube
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poor boy | 01-22-2009 09:40 PM
Re: Gun Law Update, Gun Ban List There is rumer that if a gun ban goese into effect ,the big ammo manufacterers will refuse to sell ammo to the military or law enforcement .Check.

mick silver | 01-22-2009 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by poor boy (Post 1526177) There is rumer that if a gun ban goese into effect ,the big ammo manufacterers will refuse to sell ammo to the military or law enforcement .Check.
they well just take over the companys , the government think they can do what they want

Ares | 01-22-2009 09:52 PM
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the government think they can do what they want
Because the people let them.

Twisted Avatar | 01-22-2009 09:53 PM
Re: Gun Law Update, Gun Ban List Quote:
Originally Posted by poor boy (Post 1526177) There is rumer that if a gun ban goese into effect ,the big ammo manufacterers will refuse to sell ammo to the military or law enforcement .Check.
Im calling BS on this one. If the hammer falls on public consumption THE ONLY PLACE THE AMMO MAKERS CAN SELL IS TO THE GUBBERMINT PERIOD END OF STORY. They will fawn over each other to have that contract with Uncle Sam. You may have one or two of the smaller ones "go down with the ship" for moral reasons but I assure you most will get in line and pray there number gets called so they can deal. T

____hoot____ | 01-22-2009 10:09 PM
Re: Gun Law Update, Gun Ban List Quote:
Originally Posted by Mill Man (Post 1526100) During Vietnam tens of thousands of rounds were fired per enemy killed. During Vietnam snipers averaged 1 kill per <2 bullets using bolt action rifles.. (sources vary from 1.3-1.7). Just saying.
I read that also; think it was about 85,000

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