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Martian_Time_slip | 07-11-2008 06:09 PM
What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Say you had 500 dollars for gun and ammo, what gun and what type of ammo would you get to quickly dispatch terrorists that had full body armor? edit for time: Gah, this isn't rambo. You don't get two weeks to set up camp. You only get 30 minutes to run to the store across the street and grab a gun.

____hoot____ | 07-11-2008 06:19 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Of course here at GIM, we all know who the real terrorists are; so why be so "cute" with your question? huuummmmmm Maybe it is the same reason why I am going to play cute with my answer, and not give you any.

<SLV> | 07-11-2008 06:24 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Either a rifle (FMJ) like an AR-15, or a handgun like a CZ-52 (be sure you fix the problems with improved parts).

Martian_Time_slip | 07-11-2008 06:34 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1187874) Either a rifle (FMJ) like an AR-15, or a handgun like a CZ-52 (be sure you fix the problems with improved parts).
Got a link where I can get an ar-15 for 500 bux?

<SLV> | 07-11-2008 06:52 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by Martian_Time_slip (Post 1187887) Got a link where I can get an ar-15 for 500 bux?
You can build one for under $600. http://jtdistributing.net/store/more_k_c16k.html. Add a Superior Arms lower for $100 and you are in business.

SilverCity | 07-11-2008 06:53 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? 1 Attachment(s) $399 Atlantic Firearms...spend the rest on extra mags and ammo.

Flinch | 07-11-2008 07:07 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Flinch likes Mosin-Nagant M-44 7.62X54R, folding baoynet. If Filnch miss, Flinch have big pointy thing in front ! Why you think they call me Flinch ?

Balj89 | 07-11-2008 07:20 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by Flinch (Post 1187940) Flinch likes Mosin-Nagant M-44 7.62X54R, folding baoynet. If Filnch miss, Flinch have big pointy thing in front ! Why you think they call me Flinch ?
I once heard a statistic that your 75% MORE likely to kill someone when you speak about yourself in the 3rd person....I think that terrorist might be in trouble if he ran in your door

electric-amish | 07-11-2008 07:28 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Would you have advanced warning---or would it be spontanious? E-A

Flinch | 07-11-2008 07:39 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by Balj89 (Post 1187961) I once heard a statistic that your 75% MORE likely to kill someone when you speak about yourself in the 3rd person....I think that terrorist might be in trouble if he ran in your door
Flinch think that crazy talk ! :stupid:

Twisted Avatar | 07-11-2008 08:43 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Glock17 33 round clip with +P+ Hollowpoints. Aim for soft neck between armor and helmet. T

Fullpower | 07-11-2008 09:12 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? practice headshots.

Tn...Andy | 07-11-2008 09:51 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? He busts in and you have no warning ? You're probably dead. You have enough warning to grab SOMETHING, and maybe get off one poorly aimed shot ? Go Mossberg 500, or Rem 870 w/00buck, and aim waist down. Guy with no legs and in a world of pain is far less of a problem. You are, however, gonna have a heck of a cleanup problem

electric-amish | 07-11-2008 10:39 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? As Andy said, Without warning just luck you survive. With some time to grab the best for the job I'd get the 870 and get the pelvis then clean up. Pelvic girdle supports the skeletal mussels and is the meeting place for arteries and nerves in a smallish target that a vest just does not cover. For $25 you could string up 1/16" cable and I bolts at different heights through the room and make it very slow going for an attacker. Taking away his advantage and giving it to you. Low tech solutions are cheap and effective in many scenarios. E-A

platinumdude | 07-11-2008 11:43 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? locked doors and alarmed will do good. For me as soon as they bust through the exterior I will know, and if at night they will have to go through another locked door. I will be ready for them with either a pistol or a rifle.

elroy | 07-12-2008 12:34 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? With most pistols or shotguns you would need to aim where the vest doesn't cover the "terrorist". Legs or head. Most center fire rifle rounds will penetrate a vest. 30.06, .308, 7.62x39 etc. Vests mainly protect against, pistols, knives and shrapnel.

Lackluster | 07-12-2008 07:34 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by electric-amish (Post 1188203) ...skeletal mussels... E-A
I thought mussels didn't have bones? :elefant:

Twisted Avatar | 07-12-2008 07:39 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by electric-amish (Post 1188203) As Andy said, Without warning just luck you survive. With some time to grab the best for the job I'd get the 870 and get the pelvis then clean up. Pelvic girdle supports the skeletal mussels and is the meeting place for arteries and nerves in a smallish target that a vest just does not cover. E-A
+1 on that ......... One good shot there ........ they will bleed out in minutes and be in a world of pain while the reaper comes to collect.

Agrippa_2.0 | 07-12-2008 11:17 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? My advice: spend your $500 on gas and hotel fare: be somewhere else when the terrorists attack. If you are going to stand your ground, forget about playing on a level playing field with them: they don't deserve it. Rather than fumbling for your gun when they come smashing in, in the hope of maybe taking one with you; picture yourself waking in your safe room, watching the intruders on video and having to decide which buttons to press to deal with the problem. That vision will cost you a lot than $500 to realize: but it will be more fun when the time comes.

Balj89 | 07-12-2008 11:29 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? I'd like to see the terrorist reaction when you bust out this baby- http://www.parkerbows.com/pb/2007/co...detailsku=1014

Silver Sayyid | 07-12-2008 11:54 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Personally, close up in my house my best hdw (Home defense weapon) is a Franciscan hand axe to the clavical juncture to the neck, only thing stopping that is real armour..... Some times the old ways are the best!

CyberGold | 07-12-2008 11:59 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? "Most center fire rifle rounds will penetrate a vest. 30.06, .308, 7.62x39 etc..." Most terrorists use ceramic plates in their armor that can defeat 30 cal. - the 00buck solution sound like it has the best chance but terrorists come in packs so you will probably not get em all - practice a shooting pattern of center - left - right. or put a maze baffle in front of your doors at night. I like the cable idea

107.8682 | 07-12-2008 02:06 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by electric-amish (Post 1188203) For $25 you could string up 1/16" cable and I bolts at different heights through the room and make it very slow going for an attacker. Taking away his advantage and giving it to you. Low tech solutions are cheap and effective in many scenarios. E-A
Yes, physical obstacles are a great idea. And you can make a lot of them for cheap.

Martian_Time_slip | 07-12-2008 03:07 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Gah, this isn't rambo. You don't get two weeks to set up camp. You only get 30 minutes to run to the store across the street and grab a gun.

Caligula | 07-12-2008 03:22 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by Martian_Time_slip (Post 1189057) Gah, this isn't rambo. You don't get two weeks to set up camp. You only get 30 minutes to run to the store across the street and grab a gun.
Saiga 12....10 round Magazine. Alternate.....00, SLUG, 00, SLUG, Dragon's Breath, 00, SLUG, 00, SLUG, Dragon's Breath....Or throw a BOLO or two in there.....:emotions16:

ShinyThings | 07-12-2008 11:55 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Do you live in a state that requires a waiting period for handguns? If you do, then your choices are limited. I know in some states, the waiting period only applies to handguns. Long guns can be obtained same day with a background check. ST

Baldwin | 07-12-2008 11:59 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? The German FG-42 comes to mind.

CyberGold | 07-13-2008 12:04 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by Martian_Time_slip (Post 1189057) Gah, this isn't rambo. You don't get two weeks to set up camp. You only get 30 minutes to run to the store across the street and grab a gun.
Do you have a routine before going to bed everynight like letting your dog out ? Most home floorplans are similar and known by the JBT already so if you getin the habitof stringing some cables or rolling in a couple concrete barriers in front of doorways, you can slow down potential home invaders giving you time to take action. This will take some prior planning so you won't be able to implement it tonight but for the future.

AZLiberty | 07-13-2008 04:18 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Two to the Body, One to the Head, That will make sure, the Bastard is Dead.

wallew | 07-13-2008 08:53 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberGold (Post 1188761) Most terrorists use ceramic plates in their armor that can defeat 30 cal. - the 00buck solution sound like it has the best chance but terrorists come in packs so you will probably not get em all - practice a shooting pattern of center - left - right.
CG, My dogs LOVE fresh meat. And they gotta eat too. They're just the 'early warning system'. If after hearing our guys set up a racaus racket and bad guy(s) still attempts to break in, then they better not worry about the dogs - they better worry about the (now aware) heavily armed owner(s). http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/a...1&d=1215953582

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Twisted Avatar | 07-13-2008 09:45 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? ^^^^ Dam...... they look ready for some action!!!:yes: T

ruprick | 07-13-2008 10:38 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Lots of possibilities: Anything good for deer is good for hunting man. 12 pump shotgun with slugs....even ballistic tip sabot slugs....30-30 lever action or bigger. My favorite is 30.06 FMJ M1 Garande...."best battle implement ever devised" as per G.S. Patton......I agree....better than any AR-15....no question....esp from a defensive fixed location like your home/ranch/farm. Can be found in good shape for around $600.

Sign | 07-13-2008 10:43 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? 1 Attachment(s) Attachment 47787 :smile: These terrorists?

platinumdude | 07-13-2008 05:34 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Anything with 30mm should be good.

____hoot____ | 07-14-2008 12:57 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? There's always that big supersized spray can of cheap Walmart carb cleaner that sits on the counter next to the door~~~~~~then kick their screaming squirming gaging asses outside and flic the bic

AceNZ | 07-14-2008 02:42 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? If you have 30 minutes to get ready, your best bet is to run for the hills. But if you're determined to stay and fight, then try for whatever 12 ga shotgun you can get / afford, ideally a semi-auto with an extended magazine; brand means little or nothing at that point. Get as many boxes of #1 buckshot as you can carry, in the largest size the gun will hold (3.5" magnum would be best). #1 shot gives more pellets per shell, so you have a higher chance of hitting something than with #00. Pick up a large knife while you're at it. When it comes time to start shooting, don't hunt-and-peck. Empty a full magazine almost as quickly as you can pull the trigger (while still aiming), while moving in a gentle side-to-side movement from one neck/head shot to another. If all of your would-be assailants are in view, you should be able to shoot as you sweep across them, and hit almost everything out there before they have a chance to dive for cover. Then quickly fall-back, take cover, reload, and repeat. Distance is your friend; don't let them get close. And don't stay in one place after shooting.

AMforPM | 07-19-2008 02:25 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Yes, what he said. 12 ga to the face and neck as fast as you can fire, then fall back. lower portion of faces and neck should be easier to hit than skeet, and closer. I shoot skeet just fine. #4 buck is my home defense round and as close as anywhere in my house it might decapitate. I do not think such days are coming, but they could. If things really fall apart gangs will get body armor, or some will. You always have one advantage in your own home... you know where you can fire from cover at any entry points. It is funny. All my life one of the things I do anywhere I live is figure out home defense positioning and I'm not sure why. I very much doubt I will ever have to fight off an armed band. Maybe it is from my great uncles' stories of fighting off bands of 50 bandits from across the border.

honu5050 | 07-19-2008 02:51 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? boling oil :smokin:

Saul Mine | 07-19-2008 11:29 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? http://www.members.aol.com/g0lnn/cstrike/cannon.jpg

Atahualpa | 07-19-2008 11:53 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? If a heavily armed, trained, and armored swat team came busting down my door, I would assume my number has been called because there is nothing I could do about from a fixed position. The only way to defend against this type of scenario is to attack them in their fixed position or when they move because anybody is finished if they are the target from a trained squad. From what I can tell in Afghanistan and Iraq is that the fire fights happen away from the fighters homes. I can't see firing back from your home...at that point you are too late.

goldgun | 07-19-2008 10:35 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Well if they are using class IIIA body armor I would us a FN pistol. That pistol will go right through IIIA armor. If they have level IV you are ****ed. You may get one or two in the foot, arm or head but otherwise lights out for you.

extremist | 07-19-2008 11:27 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by goldgun (Post 1200867) Well if they are using class IIIA body armor I would us a FN pistol. That pistol will go right through IIIA armor. If they have level IV you are ****ed. You may get one or two in the foot, arm or head but otherwise lights out for you.
The FN armor-piercing ammo is restricted to law enforcement/military. Civilians can legally have only the less effective hollowpoints (SS192/195) and V-Max bullets (SS196/197). Manufacture is also restricted, so presumably it's even illegal to load your own. SS190 singles can be found for "collector sale," though it's probably illegal whether you buy one round or a box. Still, if life gives you lemons, make lemonade -- or as in this case, if it's pigs, make bacon.

Metalophile | 07-19-2008 11:39 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1190213) Lots of possibilities: Anything good for deer is good for hunting man. 12 pump shotgun with slugs....even ballistic tip sabot slugs....30-30 lever action or bigger. My favorite is 30.06 FMJ M1 Garande...."best battle implement ever devised" as per G.S. Patton......I agree....better than any AR-15....no question....esp from a defensive fixed location like your home/ranch/farm. Can be found in good shape for around $600.
+1, ruprick. I wouldn't have to go to the gun store. I bought my first "beater" M1 for $300 back ~1993 and another from DCM service grade for about the same price a year later. Gives you 8 shots per en bloc clip. Keep that 30 cal ammo box full of bandoliers by your side, and you can defend your place for a while.

honu5050 | 07-20-2008 08:09 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? call willy and peter for help. :smokin:

aybesee123 | 07-21-2008 04:26 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...struct0048.jpg

platinumdude | 07-21-2008 10:18 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by Atahualpa (Post 1200093) If a heavily armed, trained, and armored swat team came busting down my door, I would assume my number has been called because there is nothing I could do about from a fixed position. The only way to defend against this type of scenario is to attack them in their fixed position or when they move because anybody is finished if they are the target from a trained squad. From what I can tell in Afghanistan and Iraq is that the fire fights happen away from the fighters homes. I can't see firing back from your home...at that point you are too late.
Know your home layout and start shooting through the walls, while your laying down flat. Hopefully you take one out before your gone.

____hoot____ | 07-22-2008 11:31 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Then there is always the switches to claymore #1, claymore #2, claymore #3, claymore #4.........................

gangsta99 | 07-22-2008 11:34 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Is a good flamethrower legal to own? I know there are plenty of ways to make a homemade one but what about a legit flamethrower?

nub | 07-23-2008 02:55 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? I would cry and scream for mercy like a little BIOTCH ....well, maybe not cry.

honu5050 | 07-24-2008 09:33 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by aybesee123 (Post 1202123) http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...struct0048.jpg
o' a large cig lighter.....handy looking thing.

Saul Mine | 07-24-2008 02:27 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Just to get serious for a moment, your best strategy is don't come back from the store.

Worldmariner | 07-26-2008 03:04 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by Martian_Time_slip (Post 1187858) Say you had 500 dollars for gun and ammo, what gun and what type of ammo would you get to quickly dispatch terrorists that had full body armor? edit for time: Gah, this isn't rambo. You don't get two weeks to set up camp. You only get 30 minutes to run to the store across the street and grab a gun.
In home? Body armor? Easy. A quality used mossberg 500 or Rem 870, alternating rounds of OO buck and sabot slugs. Shot at the upper body with the buck. ONE of those 30 cal pellets will rip a chunk of neck out. Sabots will knock the wind out of them. Long enough for a face shot with buck. The skill level required to make those shots is MUCH less than with a handgun. Remember, it will be nighttime too, and you will have an adrenal kick and panic. 2nd choice: In home, body armor... Same as choice #1, given the same scenario. If you change the scenario a bit to "defending my home", which would imply shooting at people in your yard, then I would change my answer accordingly. Side note: I have the Mossy loaded, as above, by my bed.

Worldmariner | 07-26-2008 03:08 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by gangsta99 (Post 1204966) Is a good flamethrower legal to own? I know there are plenty of ways to make a homemade one but what about a legit flamethrower?
If youhave ever seen a real flamethrower or claymore used, you would never consider them for home defense.

Worldmariner | 07-26-2008 03:13 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Sayyid (Post 1188753) Personally, close up in my house my best hdw (Home defense weapon) is a Franciscan hand axe to the clavical juncture to the neck, only thing stopping that is real armour..... Some times the old ways are the best!
Except you get shot immediately when they see the hand axe. Rule #2 NEVER bring a knife (or axe) to a gunfight!!!! DUH!

Worldmariner | 07-26-2008 03:23 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by Atahualpa (Post 1200093) If a heavily armed, trained, and armored swat team came busting down my door, I would assume my number has been called because there is nothing I could do about from a fixed position. The only way to defend against this type of scenario is to attack them in their fixed position or when they move because anybody is finished if they are the target from a trained squad. From what I can tell in Afghanistan and Iraq is that the fire fights happen away from the fighters homes. I can't see firing back from your home...at that point you are too late.
Your summation mirrors my experience. Getting trapped at home is the worst scenario. That is why "trained teams" want to trap you in your home. If they are a trained team, and they come for you, you are deeply *ucked at the molecular level. You MIGHT get one of them. Maybe. Do you have a family in the house also? Changes everything doesn't it? IMHO: You have done several things wrong at this point if a trained team is coming for you. One of those things is that you have failed to anticipate that a trained team might come for you and you are running around trying to find a gun at the last minute. You are probably not smart enough to plan ahead, and really, the trained team is really the Long Arm of Darwinism removing you from the herd. The other thing is actually being home when they come for you. Many things have gone wrong for you if a trained team is kicking your doors and windows.

honu5050 | 07-26-2008 03:47 PM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? body armor is similar to wearing a rubber....you might feel safe and confident but its never 100 % . :tomato:

Worldmariner | 07-30-2008 02:01 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Quote:
Originally Posted by Balj89 (Post 1187961) I once heard a statistic that your 75% MORE likely to kill someone when you speak about yourself in the 3rd person....I think that terrorist might be in trouble if he ran in your door
Worldmariner thinks that stat is off base...

thorgrim | 08-01-2008 12:36 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? Well if you didn't mind burning your house down you could string up those wires all over the place as someone suggested and throw Molotov cocktails down the stairs. Then if you somehow manage to beat the odds and escape you can use that money to get the hell out of dodge.

Gold Rules | 08-02-2008 01:47 AM
Re: What if terrorists with body armor came busting down your door? What body armor made ?... stops .223 FMJAP at 4000 + fps out of a 308 or 30-06...sabots are a beautiful :wink:.........thing

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