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Percival | 04-25-2008 01:07 PM
Glock Discussion Lets talk GLOCKS here. I am a proud owner of 4 Glocks, my favorite being the Glock 21, .45 ACP. I have many 1911 platforms also and of course I have nothing but respect for them, but for combat and tactical purposes nothing beats a GLOCK. Lets hear all about your Glock experiences, good and bad, love and hate. I got a Glock tactical light and a CLIP DRAW for my 21 yesterday, anyone use these products on theirs. I especially like the CLIP DRAW, comes in VERY HANDY.

SilverCity | 04-25-2008 01:44 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Yeah, I like 'em too...(several plus a G24C slide)

tulsamal | 04-25-2008 02:38 PM
Re: Glock Discussion I was one of the first people I knew in my area to buy a Glock 17. That was back in the summer of 1989. I've put a lot of rounds through that gun and still use it as a ranch gun all the time. Tough and reliable. A couple years ago I bought a Glock 35. Liked it right away. Started shooting IDPA with it. I'm not one of those people that disses the .40 S&W cartridge, but I can't ever get really excited about it as a civilian shooter. So I sent my slide off to Jarvis Custom and got him to hand fit a .357 SIG barrel to it. Took the gun from a B+ to a solid A. I rarely put the .40 S&W barrel in it anymore. Bought a big case of .357 SIG ammo from ammoman.com. Plus I've started to reload .357 SIG. Like the gun, like the caliber. It's all good! Gregg

Percival | 04-25-2008 02:45 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by tulsamal (Post 1078459) I was one of the first people I knew in my area to buy a Glock 17. That was back in the summer of 1989. I've put a lot of rounds through that gun and still use it as a ranch gun all the time. Tough and reliable. A couple years ago I bought a Glock 35. Liked it right away. Started shooting IDPA with it. I'm not one of those people that disses the .40 S&W cartridge, but I can't ever get really excited about it as a civilian shooter. So I sent my slide off to Jarvis Custom and got him to hand fit a .357 SIG barrel to it. Took the gun from a B+ to a solid A. I rarely put the .40 S&W barrel in it anymore. Bought a big case of .357 SIG ammo from ammoman.com. Plus I've started to reload .357 SIG. Like the gun, like the caliber. It's all good! Gregg
I dont like the .40 myself. I am very biased, I believe everyone should own a .45 acp but the .357 is a horse of different color, thats a good solid round and I can see why you would prefer it over the .40. I have put my 21 through hell and back and still have never had ANY problems with it at all. Have put thousands of rounds through it, both when its dirty, full of sand and clean, and I have done nothing to it but change the recoil spring once a year as a preventitive measure.

jrog100 | 04-25-2008 03:11 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Percival (Post 1078477) I dont like the .40 myself. I am very biased, I believe everyone should own a .45 acp but the .357 is a horse of different color, thats a good solid round and I can see why you would prefer it over the .40. I have put my 21 through hell and back and still have never had ANY problems with it at all. Have put thousands of rounds through it, both when its dirty, full of sand and clean, and I have done nothing to it but change the recoil spring once a year as a preventitive measure.
Aren't the ballistics a little bit better with the 40 cal (compared to the 45)? Do you have any experience with the glock 10mm? I've heard good and bad but I haven't come to a decision on them yet. Any thoughts?

bl96S5eu | 04-25-2008 03:18 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Unfortunately I've found Glocks are like potato chips....can't have just one.

Silverstone | 04-25-2008 03:28 PM
Re: Glock Discussion I just got a new .40 Glock, seems fine to me, but I don't know anything other than it shoots nice, I'm the problem :) For me, I'm small, and have beginning carpal tunnel in my right wrist, so it takes a little more effort for me to control the muzzle. A small woman can use this gun, just takes awhile to get used to it. Fits my hand nicely. I have confidence that if anyone came after me, I'd only need a few shots with this one v. the .22; that's why my hubby got it for me. The .22 is easier for me to handle, obviously, but my goal is to be as accurate with this .40 as I am with the .22, my first practice session didn't go well :) But my husband said I was doing better at controling the muzzle (I was hitting the ground v. the muzzle going upwards). (The target was only about 4 inches off the ground). So I was oh, only 4 inches off..he he.

Percival | 04-25-2008 03:40 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by jrog100 (Post 1078519) Aren't the ballistics a little bit better with the 40 cal (compared to the 45)? Do you have any experience with the glock 10mm? I've heard good and bad but I haven't come to a decision on them yet. Any thoughts?
I think the .40 is a little faster than the .45 but doesnt have as much stopping power, of course it has plenty of stopping power in itself and that really isnt a concern. The 10mm is probably a little more powerful (or at the very least equal to) than the .45 from what I have experienced but the problem there is ammo availability. I am sure it is easy to get now but would it be in a SHTF enviroment? I dont know. Same goes for the .40 for that matter. I grew up shooting .45s so I am stuck in my ways. I dont really intend to bad mouth other rounds, it is just a matter of what I am comfortable with and what I shoot well. That said, I have read several instances where cops have shot several rounds of .40 in to perps and they lived, its pretty rare that someone would live after being hit with several rounds of .45, assuming they are well placed hits. I am not a fan of the 9mm at all for self defense purposes for that very reason, I do not trust it as a self defense round in any circumstance, but again, if youre a good shot you can kill someone with a .22.

Percival | 04-25-2008 03:46 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverstone (Post 1078546) I just got a new .40 Glock, seems fine to me, but I don't know anything other than it shoots nice, I'm the problem :) For me, I'm small, and have beginning carpal tunnel in my right wrist, so it takes a little more effort for me to control the muzzle. A small woman can use this gun, just takes awhile to get used to it. Fits my hand nicely. I have confidence that if anyone came after me, I'd only need a few shots with this one v. the .22; that's why my hubby got it for me. The .22 is easier for me to handle, obviously, but my goal is to be as accurate with this .40 as I am with the .22, my first practice session didn't go well :) But my husband said I was doing better at controling the muzzle (I was hitting the ground v. the muzzle going upwards). (The target was only about 4 inches off the ground). So I was oh, only 4 inches off..he he.
I know several ladies who carry the .40 and they do very well with it. Most LEO carry them so their must be something good about them.

kolya | 04-25-2008 03:52 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Glocks are good guns. I've owned a 19 and 23. Both ran flawlessly for many thousands of rounds. I ran over 2k rounds through my 19 without cleaning just for fun and had no problems. But I'd still rather carry a 1911.:D

JJ_ | 04-25-2008 05:01 PM
Re: Glock Discussion I have a crazy question about Glocks.. Maybe I'm way off base here.. Not too long ago- My self and my brother go shooting at his range.. an LEO range in my county He's a PO in my town and carries a G22 (in .40 for the unlearned) I carry a G30 (in .45 angain for know nots) Now.. we were shootin and traded weps and I'll be danged if that G22 didnt have more felt recoil. I've been curious about this for some time... Love to hear an explination for that. I'll Aim this post at you Mr Glock Armorer am I FOS or what?

SilverCity | 04-25-2008 05:16 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1078694) I have a crazy question about Glocks.. Maybe I'm way off base here.. Not too long ago- My self and my brother go shooting at his range.. an LEO range in my county He's a PO in my town and carries a G22 (in .40 for the unlearned) I carry a G30 (in .45 angain for know nots) Now.. we were shootin and traded weps and I'll be danged if that G22 didnt have more felt recoil. I've been curious about this for some time... Love to hear an explination for that. I'll Aim this post at you Mr Glock Armorer am I FOS or what?
No you are not...although "felt" recoil is somewhat subjective between individuals. Kinda depends on respective bullet weight, too. IMO, the Glock 22 in .40S&W does have greater "felt" recoil (snappier) than the Glock 30. By the way, the 180gr JHP Speer Gold Dot I shoot in the G22 has less "felt" recoil than either the 155 or 165 Speer GD. There are a couple reasons why this difference between .40 and .45 might be: 1) The .40 S&W cartridge operates @33,000-35,000 CUP/psi vs. the .45 ACP @19,000-20,000 CUP/psi (and with a velocity range of 975-1265fps vs. 850-1000fps, respectively). 2) The Glock 30 has double recoil springs, which help dampen felt recoil. To my mind, the Glock .40 has a quicker "snap" and Glock .45 is more like a slower "shove".

Percival | 04-25-2008 05:26 PM
Re: Glock Discussion The .40 ABSOLUTELY has more recoil than the .45 acp for the simple fact that it is a HIGHER PRESSURE ROUND than .45 acp is and THAT is the reason you see more KABOOMs in Glock .40 than any other pistol, it is because the .40 is a very HIGH PRESSURE round. It is NOT unsafe, it is a good round and your chances of experiencing a KABOOM are the same as winning the lottery, but it does happen in the .40 more than any other Glocks because the .40 is indeed a higher pressure round and therefore you will indeed feel more recoil.

tulsamal | 04-25-2008 05:38 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
I just got a new .40 Glock, seems fine to me, but I don't know anything other than it shoots nice, I'm the problem :) For me, I'm small, and have beginning carpal tunnel in my right wrist, so it takes a little more effort for me to control the muzzle. A small woman can use this gun, just takes awhile to get used to it.
With premium ammunition, you aren't going to find a practical difference in "stopping power" with the "big three." If we had to use FMJ or crappy HP's that might well not be true. But if you are using the best ammo with the best bullets, the choice of 9mm, .40, or .45 is irrelevant. It becomes much more important to pick the gun you handle the best and that is 100% reliable. If you are having trouble with the recoil of a .40, you might be much better served with a 9mm. I personally always liked the bigger bore guns. I've carried a .44 Special more than anything else. But I can't deny that a premium load with a Gold Dot bullet or the LEO marked Ranger SXT bullets, are going to be just as good in 9mm as a .44 Special. Since I think the P7 is the ultimate CCW gun, I decided to "downgrade" to a 9mm. I've since used that gun and the Ranger load to finish off a deer and a very large doe goat. The performance convinced me that I didn't need to worry about my bullet performance. I just needed to worry about getting two or three of them in the bad guy's chest! Gregg

SilverCity | 04-25-2008 05:51 PM
Re: Glock Discussion 1 Attachment(s) Bullets regardless of caliber need to penetrate deep enough to hit something vital that will "turn off the switch"...brain, spine, CNS, etc. The FBI uses 12 inches of penetration as a minimum standard.

gangsta99 | 04-25-2008 05:52 PM
Re: Glock Discussion When I get my first Glock 19 here in a few days I will report back for ya and let you know how much I love my gun.

buff01 | 04-25-2008 07:42 PM
Re: Glock Discussion I love my G19, but I have been having a problem. One of my magazines has been misfeeding hollow points on the last (10th) round. It will feed ball OK, but the HP doesn't go. I think my other mag loads HPs fine all the way. Do I just have a mag problem, or is there something else wrong? My next handgun will probably be a G26, or a CZ-75B, or BOTH

SilverCity | 04-25-2008 07:52 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by buff01 (Post 1078904) I love my G19, but I have been having a problem. One of my magazines has been misfeeding hollow points on the last (10th) round. It will feed ball OK, but the HP doesn't go. I think my other mag loads HPs fine all the way. Do I just have a mag problem, or is there something else wrong?
What are the first three letters of your pistol's serial number? And what is/are the number designations on the mag followers? The latest 9mm mag follower upgrade is number "6" the last time I checked. This "last round jam" could well be a result of the "2183" follower found on older post-ban 10 round magazines. If so, try replacing the follower with the newer number "6" follower. They are available from Lone Wolf Distributing, I believe. If not try Glockparts.com. Also, it may be a weak or worn out mag spring. I prefer Wolff Gunsprings +10% stiffer mag springs, a little better quality spring than the Glock factory original, IMO. I would also recommend buying a few more new mags. You should have at least 5 or 6 for each pistol you own, IMO. CDNN Sports has good prices ~$16.99...buy a handfull. Please let me know what fixes this problem. Thanks, SC

buff01 | 04-26-2008 01:12 AM
Re: Glock Discussion It's a good excuse to pick up some more mags anyway. Unfortunately in CA I am limited to 10 rounders which is actually why I've been dragging my feet to pick up more... I might just wait until I'm out of here so I can buy 15 rounders.

SilverCity | 04-26-2008 01:22 AM
Re: Glock Discussion 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by buff01 (Post 1079203) It's a good excuse to pick up some more mags anyway. Unfortunately in CA I am limited to 10 rounders which is actually why I've been dragging my feet to pick up more... I might just wait until I'm out of here so I can buy 15 rounders.
The 10 rounders work fine...just that some pistols have problems with the 2183 followers. To show you what I am referring to, some earlier ones:

shades2 | 04-26-2008 10:55 AM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by buff01 (Post 1078904) I love my G19, but I have been having a problem. One of my magazines has been misfeeding hollow points on the last (10th) round. It will feed ball OK, but the HP doesn't go. I think my other mag loads HPs fine all the way. Do I just have a mag problem, or is there something else wrong? My next handgun will probably be a G26, or a CZ-75B, or BOTH
Clean that feed ramp. The GLOCK does like a clean feed ramp. I find this problem a lot with lead ammo that we fire at least, the soft lead gets jammed up on the ramp, and the gun doesn't quite go into battery properly. It should not be necessary to polish the feed-ramp, it is well manufactured and just need to be kept clean. You can probably help here by describing what sort of mis-feed you get. A strong (new) mag spring can actually be detrimental in this situation as it doesn't let the pistol strip the round easily and provides some downward force straight onto the feed ramp area. So you can't always blame the mag (but they are always a good place to check). If you have any doubts about the mag, toss it, and buy another, they are not expensive items. It should be noted that GLOCK do not recommend such ammo, and insist you use factory ammo, but they are just covering their asses legally. Factory jacketted or semi-jacketted ammo should not jam on the ramp as easily as lead. I have a G34 9mm. Love it, except for the cheap standard polymer sights which I must get rid of sometime.

SilverCity | 04-26-2008 11:40 AM
Re: Glock Discussion Glock engineers changed the angle of the barrel lug on the E-series and later 3rd generation G19's several years ago. This caused rounds (HPs especially) to hang up on the bottom of the feed ramp because the barrel now did not drop down as far due to the new lug angle. Thus began the company's mag follower odessy in an attempt to fix this problem. Several modifications later, we have the number "6" follower which seems to be the final solution. This new follower allows the bullet nose to sit slightly higher in the magazine so it hits closer to the center of the feed ramp. Weak mag springs will indeed aggravate the above problem. The spring needs to be stiff (new) enough to keep the follower tip from nosing downward and causing a jam, especially with the last round. Again, check the number designation on the follower itself. The 2183-1 followers in the standard 10-round mags have often been the culprit with this common "10th round jam" and can easily be remedied with the newer 9mm4, #5, or #6 follower. Magazines are expendable--they do wear out. They need to be replenished or at least refurbished with fresh springs over time with heavy useage.

JJ_ | 04-27-2008 12:05 AM
Re: Glock Discussion thx silver city.. 'preciate it

smullen | 04-27-2008 12:36 AM
Re: Glock Discussion I have a G21.... I've had it for aleast 12 Years maybe a few more... I've put atleast 2K rounds though it with no jams or any other probs... I can shoot pretty good with it, but there is always rom for improvment.... My wife really like to shoot pistol, so I'm considering buying her a either a G17 or a G34... Myself I want another G21... I like atleast two of every thing... Being a Network guy, they really beat Redundancy/Backup into us...

platinumdude | 04-27-2008 01:35 AM
Re: Glock Discussion I have a glock 19. I might rent a .45 just to try it out and see. Maybe I will buy a 34 as well.

Silverstone | 04-29-2008 01:51 AM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by tulsamal (Post 1078736) With premium ammunition, you aren't going to find a practical difference in "stopping power" with the "big three." If we had to use FMJ or crappy HP's that might well not be true. But if you are using the best ammo with the best bullets, the choice of 9mm, .40, or .45 is irrelevant. It becomes much more important to pick the gun you handle the best and that is 100% reliable. If you are having trouble with the recoil of a .40, you might be much better served with a 9mm. I personally always liked the bigger bore guns. I've carried a .44 Special more than anything else. But I can't deny that a premium load with a Gold Dot bullet or the LEO marked Ranger SXT bullets, are going to be just as good in 9mm as a .44 Special. Since I think the P7 is the ultimate CCW gun, I decided to "downgrade" to a 9mm. I've since used that gun and the Ranger load to finish off a deer and a very large doe goat. The performance convinced me that I didn't need to worry about my bullet performance. I just needed to worry about getting two or three of them in the bad guy's chest! Gregg
Hubby agrees with you, next one for me is a 9mm; he does want me to get comfortable with the .40 though, then if I like the 9mm better, that's fine, but he wants me to know how to use it and get proficient. He's still not confident the 9mm will have the same stopping power, even with the premium rounds. He said the 9mm is a higher velocity, it will tend to go through but maybe not put them on the ground, he wants the .40 for knock down power. He doesn't want them getting back up :) If he's erring, he wants to err on the cautious side. But we both agree and understand accuracy is just as important.

bl96S5eu | 04-29-2008 08:29 AM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverstone (Post 1082493) He's still not confident the 9mm will have the same stopping power, even with the premium rounds.
Didn't the SAS/SBS use the Browning HP 9MM as a backup weapon until recently?

TheGrayGhost | 04-29-2008 08:49 AM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by tulsamal (Post 1078736) With premium ammunition, you aren't going to find a practical difference in "stopping power" with the "big three." If we had to use FMJ or crappy HP's that might well not be true. But if you are using the best ammo with the best bullets, the choice of 9mm, .40, or .45 is irrelevant. It becomes much more important to pick the gun you handle the best and that is 100% reliable.
Quoted for truth.

jrog100 | 04-29-2008 09:16 AM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1078756) Bullets regardless of caliber need to penetrate deep enough to hit something vital that will "turn off the switch"...brain, spine, CNS, etc. The FBI uses 12 inches of penetration as a minimum standard.
It's odd that the 165 gr 40 S&W has more energy, is faster and has better penetration than the ole 45 in this FBI example. I think I'm going to get a 40. But then again, with preimum bullets, what difference does it make :)

JJ_ | 04-29-2008 02:00 PM
Re: Glock Discussion What I am more curious about is why they used a 12" baseline. Seems to me that 6 to 8 inches of penetration would be more than sufficient. Heck 8" would go right through me...

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Juristic Person | 04-29-2008 02:03 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Percival (Post 1078307) Lets talk GLOCKS here. I am a proud owner of 4 Glocks, my favorite being the Glock 21, .45 ACP. I have many 1911 platforms also and of course I have nothing but respect for them, but for combat and tactical purposes nothing beats a GLOCK. Lets hear all about your Glock experiences, good and bad, love and hate. I got a Glock tactical light and a CLIP DRAW for my 21 yesterday, anyone use these products on theirs. I especially like the CLIP DRAW, comes in VERY HANDY.
You seem to know your glocks pretty well. What do you think of the Glock 17?

Captain Morgan | 04-29-2008 02:07 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Picked up a 26 last night and will be going to the range with it tomorrow night! :clap2:

Juristic Person | 04-29-2008 02:35 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Morgan (Post 1083110) Picked up a 26 last night and will be going to the range with it tomorrow night! :clap2:
For how much?

Twisted Avatar | 04-29-2008 02:37 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Juristic Person (Post 1083099) You seem to know your glocks pretty well. What do you think of the Glock 17?
I am eager to know his opinion as well of of the G17. T

Krugerrand | 04-29-2008 02:47 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverstone (Post 1082493) He said the 9mm is a higher velocity, it will tend to go through but maybe not put them on the ground, he wants the .40 for knock down power. He doesn't want them getting back up :)
Hehehe. That extra 1 millimeter of diameter really makes the bad guys fly backwards and land flat on their backs, whereas the wimpy 9mm is really just a pea shooter, and a bad guy shot with 9mm will likely just keep charging, or get up repeatedly. :wink: It ain't about shots placed in vital zones, it's all about size, baby, and that extra 1 mm is clearly the difference between a completely ineffective round and a total manstopping cannonball! :wub: :D :rofl:

Percival | 04-29-2008 03:15 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Juristic Person (Post 1083099) You seem to know your glocks pretty well. What do you think of the Glock 17?
The 17 is the classic work horse, it is a good pistol. However, if you havent bought yet and are looking to buy I would probably suggest the 19 over the 17 because the 19 is a little smaller and much better for everyday concealed carry. I absolutely LOVE the 19 but you cant go wrong with the 17, if 9mm is what youre looking for, both of those pistols are the best you can buy for tactical purposes. Again if you are looking to buy I would look at the 17 and the 19 side by side, get both in your hands and see which one feels better and if youre going to be using that pistol for every day conceal carry you need to consider that the 19 is the ideal 9mm for that purpose, but the 17 can work well for everyday carry, it is just a little bigger than the 19. The Glock 19 has a barrel and pistol grip that are shorter by approx. 12 mm (0.5 in) compared to the Glock 17 and uses a 15-round magazine as opposed to the 17 (or extended mag 19) round capacity the 17 uses. My 19 is always at my side just because its small and easy to carry, even though I am not a huge fan of the 9mm, it is the one pistol that is always within reach and the one pistol I spend the most time shooting at the range because of the cheap 9mm ammo prices. The Glock 30 is also a NICE sub compact concealed carry (even smaller than the 19, but maybe too small for someone with larger hands) pistol that has a 10 round .45 acp capacity and will probably be my next purchase.

Captain Morgan | 04-29-2008 03:58 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Juristic Person (Post 1083153) For how much?
I got the: pistol (used but very nice condition) 4 magazines with Pierce grip extensions really nice locking hard case with lock speedloader 150 rounds of practice ammo 30 rounds of personal protection ammo OWB holster ...for $440 :D:D:D

Percival | 04-29-2008 04:02 PM
Re: Glock Discussion 440 is about what used Glocks are going for around here but the fact that you got all that other stuff thrown in makes it an excellent deal.

Captain Morgan | 04-29-2008 04:07 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Percival (Post 1083244) 440 is about what used Glocks are going for around here but the fact that you got all that other stuff thrown in makes it an excellent deal.
Thanks, I agree. It was a local FTF transaction so that made it all the better. No FFL required, etc. I met up with the guy, showed my CPL, filled out the receipt in triplicate and was on my way. I got the safety inspection done during my lunchbreak today and it'll be on my hip starting tomorrow (getting an IWB holster tonight). Bring on the BG's and brain sucking zombies! :secruity: :D

TomD | 04-29-2008 04:42 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Morgan (Post 1083241) I got the: pistol (used but very nice condition) 4 magazines with Pierce grip extensions really nice locking hard case with lock speedloader 150 rounds of practice ammo 30 rounds of personal protection ammo OWB holster ...for $440 :D:D:D
Nothing at all wrong with a used pistol, if you buy new it will shortly be used anyway. You got a lot of stuff with it, more than $100 worth. A really good deal. A 27 is my carry piece.

Juristic Person | 04-30-2008 01:41 AM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Percival (Post 1083208) The 17 is the classic work horse, it is a good pistol. However, if you havent bought yet and are looking to buy I would probably suggest the 19 over the 17 because the 19 is a little smaller and much better for everyday concealed carry. I absolutely LOVE the 19 but you cant go wrong with the 17, if 9mm is what youre looking for, both of those pistols are the best you can buy for tactical purposes. Again if you are looking to buy I would look at the 17 and the 19 side by side, get both in your hands and see which one feels better and if youre going to be using that pistol for every day conceal carry you need to consider that the 19 is the ideal 9mm for that purpose, but the 17 can work well for everyday carry, it is just a little bigger than the 19. The Glock 19 has a barrel and pistol grip that are shorter by approx. 12 mm (0.5 in) compared to the Glock 17 and uses a 15-round magazine as opposed to the 17 (or extended mag 19) round capacity the 17 uses. My 19 is always at my side just because its small and easy to carry, even though I am not a huge fan of the 9mm, it is the one pistol that is always within reach and the one pistol I spend the most time shooting at the range because of the cheap 9mm ammo prices. The Glock 30 is also a NICE sub compact concealed carry (even smaller than the 19, but maybe too small for someone with larger hands) pistol that has a 10 round .45 acp capacity and will probably be my next purchase.
Thanks for the response Percival. I agree with you on the G30. I asked about the G17 because I can pick on up for $400, which seems to be a steal. What do you think? I compared ito the 19 and do like the 19 better, but not for $200 more. Any thoughts? EDIT: THe G19 at $600 is new; the G17 @ $400 is used...

Percival | 04-30-2008 09:31 AM
Re: Glock Discussion 400 is a good deal. It is getting harder to find used Glocks for a good price. Id get that 17 and then be on the lookout for a good 19.

Twisted Avatar | 04-30-2008 09:56 AM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Percival (Post 1084338) 400 is a good deal. It is getting harder to find used Glocks for a good price. Id get that 17 and then be on the lookout for a good 19.
There is 19 round mag for G17? wow! I only thought they when to 17 rounds max. do you have to have to have special permit of something top get them? The reason wny I chose the 17 was because it can hold so much ammo is a typical mag case (I like the fact that there is good chance that I have more ammo than my attacker) T

platinumdude | 04-30-2008 09:58 AM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1084393) There is 19 round mag for G17? wow! I only thought they when to 17 rounds max. do you have to have to have special permit of something top get them? The reason wny I chose the 17 was because it can hold so much ammo is a typical mag case (I like the fact that there is good chance that I have more ammo than my attacker) T
Glock makes a 33rd mag that can be used for the 17 and 19.

Twisted Avatar | 04-30-2008 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1084398) Glock makes a 33rd mag that can be used for the 17 and 19.
yeah that much I do know those are definatly on my wish list That is some serious firepower(33rd) for a handgun. I want to have a few of those magic sticks in my house filled with hp ammo at the ready. But I want tohere more about the 19 rounder cause I know it can still fit in a typical mag /holster.or is the something where you have to get a +2 extension? T

Percival | 04-30-2008 11:12 AM
Re: Glock Discussion You can definitely get 17, 19 and 33 round magazines for the Glock 17. I dont know what the laws are for each state but where I live we can pretty much do what we want, at least for now.

Juristic Person | 04-30-2008 12:04 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Percival (Post 1084338) 400 is a good deal. It is getting harder to find used Glocks for a good price. Id get that 17 and then be on the lookout for a good 19.
I think I'm going to go pick it up this afternoon. I'm gonna hold out on the 19 for a .45 revolver or a .357 mag. Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1084393) do you have to have to have special permit of something top get them?
I wouldn't be surprised if NY required a permit. I wouldn't comply with their unlawful 'requirements', personally. Quote:
Originally Posted by Percival (Post 1084527) at least for now.
Exactly...the times, they are a changin.

Captain Morgan | 04-30-2008 10:04 PM
Re: Glock Discussion So, I just got back from the range and put about 200 rounds through my new 26. 2 of my magazines have the pearce extensions on them, the other 2 did not. My accuracy was night and day difference...much better with the extensions. Needless to say, I just ordered 2 more extensions off eBay for $18.50 shipped. I also splurged for the frame plug for $6.00 more :D

platinumdude | 04-30-2008 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Morgan (Post 1085368) So, I just got back from the range and put about 200 rounds through my new 26. 2 of my magazines have the pearce extensions on them, the other 2 did not. My accuracy was night and day difference...much better with the extensions. Needless to say, I just ordered 2 more extensions off eBay for $18.50 shipped. I also splurged for the frame plug for $6.00 more :D
How does the extension help your accuracy? Is it the extra weight?

Captain Morgan | 04-30-2008 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1085376) How does the extension help your accuracy? Is it the extra weight?
Being able to use my pinky gave me that much more control over the gun when fired. It didn't tend to 'pull up' as much...

SilverCity | 04-30-2008 11:20 PM
Re: Glock Discussion 1 Attachment(s) I prefer compactness and concealability of the G26. The extended floorplate of the GAP Enterprises type allows for a way to counteract muzzle flip in a less obtrusive way than other types and it feels more secure in the hand with the little finger curled underneath than the stock mag.

Twisted Avatar | 05-01-2008 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Juristic Person (Post 1084593) I wouldn't be surprised if NY required a permit. I wouldn't comply with their unlawful 'requirements', personally. Exactly...the times, they are a changin.
Thankfully I got My permit from NJ( still have residency there) and the town I live is the PD is fairly approachable. I would lost my fricken mind If I was trying to get legal in NYC ( you have to put a gun on lay a way BEFORE they even let you know if they give you a permit. WTF? 1200 to register in NY less thann 98 dollars in jersey) Part of my stimulus check is going to get some high cap mags diffinatley I fully agree..SPEED IS OF THE ESSENSCE..... T

JJ_ | 05-01-2008 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1085376) How does the extension help your accuracy? Is it the extra weight?
more leverage I get the same benefit from using G21 mags in my G30

Juristic Person | 05-01-2008 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1085674) Thankfully I got My permit from NJ( still have residency there) and the town I live is the PD is fairly approachable. I would lost my fricken mind If I was trying to get legal in NYC ( you have to put a gun on lay a way BEFORE they even let you know if they give you a permit. WTF? 1200 to register in NY less thann 98 dollars in jersey)
I've lived in Jersey. The smaller town PD's usually are more approachable, especially if you know a cop or two outside their vocation. People are a little more connected and not as liberal (in the anti-gun sense) outside the cities (especially in NW Jersey). Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar Part of my stimulus check is going to get some high cap mags diffinatley
Smart move. Get em before '09. Have you found any good deals online?

JJ_ | 05-01-2008 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Juristic Person (Post 1086215) Smart move. Get em before '09. Have you found any good deals online?
I just picked up some G21 mags for 12 bucks here http://www.cdnninvestments.com/glock.html

Juristic Person | 05-01-2008 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1086264) I just picked up some G21 mags for 12 bucks here http://www.cdnninvestments.com/glock.html
Those are some good prices, thanks! Shipping is $9.99 though so I'm gonna wait til I know exactly what I want and make one bulk order. @ $9.99 for shipping on these items, if you're only getting a few, it's not worth it. Also, have you been able to find any coupons avail online for CDNN Sports, Inc? I'm gonna search for one. I used one when I bought my PC and got $100 off.

Twisted Avatar | 05-03-2008 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1086264) I just picked up some G21 mags for 12 bucks here http://www.cdnninvestments.com/glock.html
Are those knock off mags??...... have you had any trouble with them loading?? or misfeeds?? It looks great....I just dont want any trobles later on down the line. T

Twisted Avatar | 05-03-2008 10:58 AM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1084414) yeah that much I do know those are definatly on my wish list That is some serious firepower(33rd) for a handgun. I want to have a few of those magic sticks in my house filled with hp ammo at the ready. But I want tohere more about the 19 rounder cause I know it can still fit in a typical mag /holster.or is the something where you have to get a +2 extension? T
I just spoke with a rep from natchez about 19 round mags....... You can only do that with a +2 extension for the 17 rounders ( he said you can switch out the bottoms in about 10 seconds no hassle ) But as I was reading some reviews I have seen that it is dam near impossible to get both bullets in cause the spring in under so much tension so you may have to settle for 18 or you may have to change the spring a well ( which is something I wont feel comforatble with) natchez could also handle the logistics of doing a third party sale so I can get my mags ( those guys seem quite helpful). T

Percival | 05-03-2008 11:54 AM
Re: Glock Discussion I have never used those extra 2 round extensions on the 17 round mags, but I can see where it might get a little tight after the 18th round, that said if you had 17 round mag and carry one in the chamber, which is the PROPER way to pack a pistol and the way you should train yourself to carry it, thats 17 in the mag and one in the pipe, thats 18 rounds on your hip with another possible 17 in an extra magazine case on your weak side. Thats a lot of rounds, if you feel you need more than that I would suggest you might be paranoid lol. Just kidding of course, but really, thats a lot of rounds. Keep one thing in mind, a handgun is not made for combat, it is a diversionary weapon that gives you the time you need to get to your long rifle, the long rifle is the battle weapon.

Twisted Avatar | 05-03-2008 04:07 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Percival (Post 1088948) I have never used those extra 2 round extensions on the 17 round mags, but I can see where it might get a little tight after the 18th round, that said if you had 17 round mag and carry one in the chamber, which is the PROPER way to pack a pistol and the way you should train yourself to carry it, thats 17 in the mag and one in the pipe, thats 18 rounds on your hip with another possible 17 in an extra magazine case on your weak side. Thats a lot of rounds, if you feel you need more than that I would suggest you might be paranoid lol. Just kidding of course, but really, thats a lot of rounds. Keep one thing in mind, a handgun is not made for combat, it is a diversionary weapon that gives you the time you need to get to your long rifle, the long rifle is the battle weapon.
I agree....... great info. It is funny that you say that cause I will be the first to admit I am very parnoid about not having enough of anything. ( I must have died in another life as a result of lack of suppiles or because I get twitchy about it about it) That is the reason why I picked glock besides the sturdness of the brand... you can put alot of ammo in a regular pistol. but I realize shot placement is paramount and that comes from (partice,practice, pratice,).most "gunfights" entail may one or two shots max. I guess I just need to calm down .......but hey...... It would not be me now would it??:D T

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Percival | 05-03-2008 04:21 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Well there is certainly nothing wrong with having a 33 round mag on the night stand next to your glock, or even two. But I think for general carry 17 rounds, one in the pipe and an extra 17 rounds in a spare mag case on the weak side is probably gonna get you through any gunfight you happen to stumble in to. Again, my frame of mind is that my pistol is gonna buy me the time I need to get to a shotgun or long rifle and once I have THAT in hand its game on.

Twisted Avatar | 05-03-2008 04:25 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by Percival (Post 1089257) Well there is certainly nothing wrong with having a 33 round mag on the night stand next to your glock, or even two. But I think for general carry 17 rounds, one in the pipe and an extra 17 rounds in a spare mag case on the weak side is probably gonna get you through any gunfight you happen to stumble in to. Again, my frame of mind is that my pistol is gonna buy me the time I need to get to a shotgun or long rifle and once I have THAT in hand its game on.
Writing that into my 10 commandents of firearms rule book. semi's are needed to fight your way to your long arms. T

JJ_ | 05-05-2008 11:03 AM
Re: Glock Discussion @TA - No knock offs- I got the Used mags marked LEO, Gvt & JJ Use only. They are fine

jrog100 | 05-05-2008 02:14 PM
Re: Glock Discussion I've been considering the G20 for quite some time now but I've heard many differing opinions. Mainly that the chamber does not support the 10mm cartridge very well thus causing buldges in the spent casing. This in turn makes reloading very difficult if not impossible. I''ve also heard that they don't hold up well to full power 10mm loads. Those ass clowns at glock talk get all offended when I write these things so I can't get any constructive ideas or opinions from them - just moronic attacks. Does anyone have any experience with the g20 full power loads? I'd really like to hear your experiences. Also, I see on Glock's site that with most magazines there is a standard and an optional round capacity. Does the optional magazine extend below the magazine well or something like that?

Caligula | 05-05-2008 02:23 PM
Re: Glock Discussion .50 GI conversion for the glock....... http://www.footpounds.com/weblog/?p=384

bl96S5eu | 05-05-2008 02:25 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by jrog100 (Post 1091432) Also, I see on Glock's site that with most magazines there is a standard and an optional round capacity. Does the optional magazine extend below the magazine well or something like that?
If it is the same as the 22 then they both have the same external dimensions but in the case of the G20 one will hold 10 vs 15 rounds.

SilverCity | 05-05-2008 02:49 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by jrog100 (Post 1091432) I've been considering the G20 for quite some time now but I've heard many differing opinions. Mainly that the chamber does not support the 10mm cartridge very well thus causing buldges in the spent casing. This in turn makes reloading very difficult if not impossible. I''ve also heard that they don't hold up well to full power 10mm loads. Those ass clowns at glock talk get all offended when I write these things so I can't get any constructive ideas or opinions from them - just moronic attacks. Does anyone have any experience with the g20 full power loads? I'd really like to hear your experiences. Also, I see on Glock's site that with most magazines there is a standard and an optional round capacity. Does the optional magazine extend below the magazine well or something like that?
Glock 20 will shoot fine with any SAAMI spec load. Brass from factory barrels are okay for reloading...maybe 2-3 times for full power loads. If you want to reload more than that (I do) try an aftermarket barrel to keep from overworking the brass while sizing.

Caligula | 05-05-2008 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Caligula (Post 1091446) .50 GI conversion for the glock....... http://www.footpounds.com/weblog/?p=384
I'm gonna bump and quote myself, so this doesn't get buried.....

jrog100 | 05-05-2008 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1091478) Glock 20 will shoot fine with any SAAMI spec load. Brass from factory barrels are okay for reloading...maybe 2-3 times for full power loads. If you want to reload more than that (I do) try an aftermarket barrel to keep from overworking the brass while sizing.
Super. Thanks for the info. Do you have a recommendation for an aftermarket barrel? Are there any other mods that I should look into for full power loads such as a heavier recoil spring?

The Argent Dragon | 05-05-2008 04:00 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Glock 22 owner........best darn utility handgun I've owned to date. -Dependable -On Target -Well Balanced ......if I had any 'cons' it would only be its looks but it does the job so why even go there ? :smokin:

SilverCity | 05-05-2008 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jrog100 (Post 1091529) Super. Thanks for the info. Do you have a recommendation for an aftermarket barrel? Are there any other mods that I should look into for full power loads such as a heavier recoil spring?
There are a few good barrels out there, Barsto Precision (pricey), KKM (personal favorite), Jarvis, Lone Wolf (for conversion calibers), etc. I also like Wolff Gunsprings 20-22# recoil spring and steel guide rod. My G20 has a custom 5 inch length KKM barrel, with Wolff #22 spring and rod, and Meprolight night sights...

jrog100 | 05-05-2008 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Caligula (Post 1091500) I'm gonna bump and quote myself, so this doesn't get buried.....
Would be more economical to buy a 45 or 10mm. Plus the ballistics are better with the 10.

SilverCity | 05-06-2008 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jrog100 (Post 1092050) Would be more economical to buy a 45 or 10mm. Plus the ballistics are better with the 10.
Economical? Probably G21. It is much easier to find cheaper .45 ACP ammo than 10mm. However if you reload for the 10mm you can utilize a wider range of 40 caliber bullets: 135, 155, 165, 180, up to 200 grains for hunting. Also with the G20, Lone Wolf drop-in conversion barrels will allow you to shoot .357 Sig, .40 S&W, 9x25 Dillon, .38 Super and I think 7.62x25. Uses the original 10mm magazines. Talk about versatility!

jrog100 | 05-06-2008 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1092103) Economical? Probably G21. It is much easier to find cheaper .45 ACP ammo than 10mm. However if you reload for the 10mm you can utilize a wider range of 40 caliber bullets: 135, 155, 165, 180, up to 200 grains for hunting. Also with the G20, Lone Wolf drop-in conversion barrels will allow you to shoot .357 Sig, .40 S&W, 9x25 Dillon, and I think 7.62x25. Uses the original 10mm magazines. Talk about versatility!
So here's where I'm leaning: I'll get a G21 45acp. Buy a barsto drop in 10mm. Now, will 10 mm mag fit a G21? I guess that's my only real unanswered question. Thanks!

SilverCity | 05-06-2008 11:26 AM
Re: Glock Discussion 1 Attachment(s) I don't believe you can use a factory 10mm barrel (smaller diameter) in a G21 frame. I think KKM or Barsto will custom make you a thicker 10mm barrel that will fit a 21 slide...although the .45 extractor/ejector might not kick out smaller diameter 10mm shell cases with 100% reliability. You might call KKM or Barsto and ask...it might not be a problem at all. Yes, 10mm mags will fit the G21. If you are willing to spend the extra bucks...Build yourself a G21 Longslide with 6" barrel. Lone Wolf is selling the slides and barrels. Then add the custom 10mm barrel. Looks like this:

jrog100 | 05-06-2008 01:53 PM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1092531) I don't believe you can use a factory 10mm barrel (smaller diameter) in a G21 frame. I think KKM or Barsto will custom make you a thicker 10mm barrel that will fit a 21 slide...although the .45 extractor/ejector might not kick out smaller diameter 10mm shell cases with 100% reliability. You might call KKM or Barsto and ask...it might not be a problem at all. Yes, 10mm mags will fit the G21. If you are willing to spend the extra bucks...Build yourself a G21 Longslide with 6" barrel. Lone Wolf is selling the slides and barrels. Then add the custom 10mm barrel. Looks like this:
That looks real nice. Good idea. Something that I'll check into. Thanks!

Percival | 05-06-2008 09:04 PM
Re: Glock Discussion I disagree with the aftermarket approach with Glocks. The best and most reliable performing Glock is a stock Glock. I have seen NO problems with stock Glocks and lots of problems with Glocks that people have added aftermarket parts to. My 2 cents.

Caligula | 05-06-2008 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jrog100 (Post 1092685) That looks real nice. Good idea. Something that I'll check into. Thanks!
That looks nice? :confused_ma: Just buy a rifle at that point. You Glock fanboys are starting to crack me up. Good gun. Get one and move along. So many guns, so little time.....

platinumdude | 05-06-2008 09:55 PM
Re: Glock Discussion I agree with the leave it stock. I hear of some people having problems afterwards with jams and such. If you want something different, probably better to buy a gun that has what you want.

TomD | 05-07-2008 08:24 AM
Re: Glock Discussion Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1092103) Economical? Probably G21. It is much easier to find cheaper .45 ACP ammo than 10mm. However if you reload for the 10mm you can utilize a wider range of 40 caliber bullets: 135, 155, 165, 180, up to 200 grains for hunting. Also with the G20, Lone Wolf drop-in conversion barrels will allow you to shoot .357 Sig, .40 S&W, 9x25 Dillon, .38 Super and I think 7.62x25. Uses the original 10mm magazines. Talk about versatility!
I didn't know about all of that aftermarket stuff until now. I just bought a ss ported barrel for my 27. It will be strictly for the range since the ported part extends meaning the pistol wouldn't fit in the holster anymore. Looking forward to seeing how rapidly I can take the popper targets down with a ported auto.

jrog100 | 05-07-2008 09:06 AM
Re: Glock Discussion If you're not into handloading then yep leave it stock. So, if you've got tons of money and are into leaving expensive 10mm brass lying on the ground, more power to ya. I'll be doing a drop in conversion.

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