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livtocruz | 07-18-2009 08:56 PM
Walther PPK Is there a thread here some where here that discusses this pistol? Or a Walther that is compatible to the PPK. I am looking to purchase a semi-automatic (or two) that has ease of use and little to no maintenance.

Gaillo | 07-18-2009 09:03 PM
Re: Walther PPK Skip the Walther... buy a Sig P232 instead. Almost identical design and styling, but RELIABLE.

Heimdhal | 07-18-2009 09:11 PM
Re: Walther PPK Walther PPK http://world.guns.ru/handguns/walther_ppk_ud.jpg Bersa Thunder .380 http://musingsofagirlobsessed.files..../bersa_380.jpg Nothing more needs be said :) Bersa Thunder .380 cost less than $300 and has an outstanding reputation.

Gaillo | 07-18-2009 09:13 PM
Re: Walther PPK I owned a Bersa Thunder .380 for a total of ONE frustrating day several years ago, it was a jam-o-matic. I've also heard good things about the Bersa, but my personal experience did not live up to the hype.

Professur | 07-18-2009 09:25 PM
Re: Walther PPK The only reason anyone even considers the PPK is because Flemming put one into Bond's hand. Even his boss didn't want him carrying it.

MOD1 | 07-18-2009 09:48 PM
Re: Walther PPK Beg to differ in opinion with the others. I have 3. I guess I was lucky, no jam-o-matics. I've fed them ball ammo without a problem. PPK/S - Interarms import '79; PPK - German '68; PPK stainless Pre-S&W (unknown year). There are more modern designs, but I'm happy with what I have. Take care, Mod1

Heimdhal | 07-18-2009 09:50 PM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaillo (Post 1824361) I owned a Bersa Thunder .380 for a total of ONE frustrating day several years ago, it was a jam-o-matic. I've also heard good things about the Bersa, but my personal experience did not live up to the hype.
It happens. It can happen with any gun. Depending on how many "severa' is, their QC is leaps and bounds ahead now and they are emerging as a very, very find manufactuer. I have a Thunder .45 UC(looks totaly different) that I use for CCW and have never had a "problem" with it other than its initial "break in" and then it wasnt really a problem. A good friend of mine has the Thunder .380 and we've put hundreds of rounds through with no problems at all. But again, like you said, this is personal exeperience. I do like sigs very much though, they are just a bit above my income threshold. :(

desertjack | 07-18-2009 09:51 PM
Re: Walther PPK I've had good results with three different Bersa Thunder .380's, so nothing but good things to say about them (just be sure to only use factory mags in them though). Another compact auto option would be a Makarov (very sturdy and reliable + 9x18 ammo is easier to come by these days than .380).

SilverCity | 07-18-2009 10:26 PM
Re: Walther PPK Owned two Bersa Thunder 380s...both were accurate, reliable, shot to point of aim, and even handled my hot handloads...YMMV.

barter | 07-18-2009 10:28 PM
Re: Walther PPK I owned two and they are engineering perfection but today we can buy a 9mm just as small. .380 makes no sense now.

steyr_m | 07-18-2009 10:28 PM
Re: Walther PPK I agree with Gaillo, a Sig P232 might be the better choice. Remember, you get what you pay for. You want it to go bang every time you pull the trigger. Revolvers don't have the cool factor of pistols; but don't by-pass them.... there's no safety to worry about, no jams, etc. That would be my carry weapon. I'd personally use the spurless Ruger SP101.

morganchaser | 07-18-2009 10:56 PM
Re: Walther PPK Makarov or CZ-82 = better bang for your buck. Bigger bullet, less expensive, peers in reliability, and in the case of the cz-82: better trigger and higher capactiy.

livtocruz | 07-18-2009 11:33 PM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaillo (Post 1824343) Skip the Walther... buy a Sig P232 instead. Almost identical design and styling, but RELIABLE.
Can you post a picture? And a site where I might go and read specs, etc. Thanks

Professur | 07-18-2009 11:40 PM
Re: Walther PPK http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/Sho...?categoryid=10

Gaillo | 07-19-2009 12:03 AM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Can you post a picture? And a site where I might go and read specs, etc. Thanks
http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/cata...2-detail-L.jpg

wallew | 07-19-2009 12:12 AM
Re: Walther PPK Try the Sig forum... http://sigforum.com/eve/ubb.x?a=cfrm&s=674608412 If you want reliability, try the Glock. MANY choices. Cheaper than the Sig by about thirty percent or more, depending on which caliber and what size and how popular a Glock it is. To do research on Glocks, try the Glock Talk forum... http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/index.php I just ordered a pair of G22 rtf's...

Gaillo | 07-19-2009 12:21 AM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 1824534) Try the Sig forum... http://sigforum.com/eve/ubb.x?a=cfrm&s=674608412 If you want reliability, try the Glock. MANY choices. Cheaper than the Sig by about thirty percent or more, depending on which caliber and what size and how popular a Glock it is. To do research on Glocks, try the Glock Talk forum... http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/index.php I just ordered a pair of G22 rtf's...
No Glocks in .380 - at least none that can be legally imported into the U.S. Also, none with the slim profile or "dashing good looks" of the PPK or P232 that are being discussed.

livtocruz | 07-19-2009 12:39 AM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaillo (Post 1824545) No Glocks in .380 - at least none that can be legally imported into the U.S. Also, none with the slim profile or "dashing good looks" of the PPK or P232 that are being discussed.
What I am looking for is a mid range semi with good stopping power. Don't care about looks.What I want is great personal protection for a THTF scenario.

Gaillo | 07-19-2009 12:49 AM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by livtocruz (Post 1824565) What I am looking for is a mid range semi with good stopping power. Don't care about looks.What I want is great personal protection for a THTF scenario.
OK... then let's leave this "PPK" and P232 nonsense behind. The BEST guns you will find that embody the qualities you are looking for (assuming concealability is one of your desires, based on your PPK starting point) are (in order of increasing price) the Glock 19, Sig P228, or the H&K P2000 V3 (9mm). I wouldn't personally consider anything else. Yes... you can go with something larger caliber (.40 or .45), but the "stopping power" increase will be marginal at best - and you will lose magazine capacity, lighter-weight and smaller gun, ease of re-acquiring the target after your last shot, and low-cost readily available ammunition. Just my opinion - after much research and handgun ownership (I've bought and sold over 150 handguns in my life, and I'm STILL looking for the perfect one - but the above 3 are probably as close to "perfect" as I'm likely to get, each for its own reason!).

livtocruz | 07-19-2009 01:02 AM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaillo (Post 1824574) OK... then let's leave this "PPK" and P232 nonsense behind. The BEST guns you will find that embody the qualities you are looking for (assuming concealability is one of your desires, based on your PPK starting point) are (in order of increasing price) the Glock 19, Sig P228, or the H&K P2000 V3 (9mm). I wouldn't personally consider anything else. Yes... you can go with something larger caliber (.40 or .45), but the "stopping power" increase will be marginal at best - and you will lose magazine capacity, lighter-weight and smaller gun, ease of re-acquiring the target after your last shot, and low-cost readily available ammunition. Just my opinion - after much research and handgun ownership (I've bought and sold over 150 handguns in my life, and I'm STILL looking for the perfect one - but the above 3 are probably as close to "perfect" as I'm likely to get, each for its own reason!).
And thanks again for your honest review.. Will look seriously at those three as a starting point.

wallew | 07-19-2009 01:03 AM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaillo (Post 1824545) No Glocks in .380 - at least none that can be legally imported into the U.S. BY CIVILIANS at this time. Also, none with the slim profile or "dashing good looks" of the PPK or P232 that are being discussed.
Glock 28 can DEFINITELY be imported for LEO and military. But for us civi's, no. At least not right now. BUT, the P232 is only 2.15 ounces lighter at 17.6 ounces unloaded than the Glock 26 at 19.75 ounces. But the Baby Glock carrys three more rounds than the 232 in 9mm (not a round I would carry, but that's not for this discussion as neither would I carry a .380, regardless of manufacture). The Baby Glock is ACTUALLY shorter than the P232 (BG is 6.29 vs 232's 6.6 inches), and the BG is actually not as tall as the P232 (BG is 4.17 vs 232's 4.70 inches) and they are close to the same width, though again the Baby Glock is .02 inches narrower than the P232 (BG is 1.18 vs 232's 1.20 inches). And the G26 IS a nice looking subcompact that actually carries more ammo and is SMALLER than the P232. The only reason the Baby Glock weighs more is BECAUSE the mag holds three more rounds. Not a bad thing in my opinion. No offense, but don't be talking about things that you don't know about. Check it out for yourself... Glock you have to click on the G 26 under models and then click on Technical data, but it's all there. Sig you have to click on Specifications and the P232 info is all there. Gaillo, You had me right up until you said 'readily available ammo'... .40 S&W, sure. 9mm or .45 acp, not so much. I got a full case of .40 but only three boxes of 9mm last week at Wally World (the 9 was for a buddy of mine who is currently out of town).

Gaillo | 07-19-2009 01:13 AM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 1824590) Glock 28 can DEFINITELY be imported for LEO and military. But for us civi's, no. At least not right now. BUT, the P232 is only 2.15 ounces lighter at 17.6 ounces unloaded than the Glock 26 at 19.75 ounces. But the Baby Glock carrys three more rounds than the 232 in 9mm (not a round I would carry, but that's not for this discussion as neither would I carry a .380, regardless of manufacture). The Baby Glock is ACTUALLY shorter than the P232 (BG is 6.29 vs 232's 6.6 inches), and the BG is actually not as tall as the P232 (BG is 4.17 vs 232's 4.70 inches) and they are close to the same width, though again the Baby Glock is .02 inches narrower than the P232 (BG is 1.18 vs 232's 1.20 inches). And the G26 IS a nice looking subcompact that actually carries more ammo and is SMALLER than the P232. The only reason the Baby Glock weighs more is BECAUSE the mag holds three more rounds. Not a bad thing in my opinion. Don't even get me STARTED about .380 - I haven't seen any of that for what seems like FOREVER... glad I don't own any handguns for that cartridge any more! :) No offense, but don't be talking about things that you don't know about. Check it out for yourself... Glock you have to click on the G 26 under models and then click on Technical data, but it's all there. Sig you have to click on Specifications and the P232 info is all there. Gaillo, You had me right up until you said 'readily available ammo'... .40 S&W, sure. 9mm or .45 acp, not so much. I got a full case of .40 but only three boxes of 9mm last week at Wally World (the 9 was for a buddy of mine who is currently out of town).
Wallew, I actually DID know about the Military/Police import exception for the Glock 25 and 28, but I figured the original poster was probably NOT qualified for either (based on his questions) and didn't think it important to bring up an exception that most of us will not be able to take advantage of. As for 9mm availability, in my area it is exactly opposite yours - I haven't seen .40 S&W or .45 ACP at any of my 3 area Walmarts for almost 9 months now - and they didn't have any on Friday... but 9mm is (and was, throughout the "dry spell") stacked up - even in 100 round "value packs". I still own a few .40S&W guns and one .45, so it would be NICE to finally see some - but my 9mm's seem to be the only handguns I can get a decent amount of practice with lately. Based on my own experiences (which are the only ones I can use as a basis for posting...) 9mm is the only "readily available" handgun cartridge in my neck of the world. Don't EVEN get me started about .380 ACP - it seems like FOREVER that I've seen any of that available anywhere... makes me glad I don't own any handguns chambered for that cartridge at this point! :)

MOD1 | 07-19-2009 01:19 AM
Re: Walther PPK A trip to a range with range rentals will greatly help narrow things down. Take care, Mod1

wallew | 07-19-2009 01:20 AM
Re: Walther PPK G, Consider yourself lucky. While the .40 ammo was a tad more expensive than the 9mm ($24 vs $20 for 100 in WWB), we can't seem to get it in. Though I did see a guy at the last gun show that had UMC 250 round value packs for $75, which IS a great deal. The Walmarts around here in Denver are out of EVERYTHING but some .40 and occasionally .38 special. But it's also why I mentioned the G26 in 9mm. Everything is about perspective, yes?

Gaillo | 07-19-2009 01:25 AM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 1824613) G, Consider yourself lucky. While the .40 ammo was a tad more expensive than the 9mm ($24 vs $20 for 100 in WWB), we can't seem to get it in. Though I did see a guy at the last gun show that had UMC 250 round value packs for $75, which IS a great deal. The Walmarts around here in Denver are out of EVERYTHING but some .40 and occasionally .38 special. But it's also why I mentioned the G26 in 9mm. Everything is about perspective, yes?
Nothing wrong with the G26 - it would be my 2nd choice after the 19... and my FIRST choice if CCW was my main purpose. My experience has been that handguns designed for "pocket carry" always seem to give something up - typically ergonomics. The Glock 26, however is remarkably comfortable considering it's small size... though there is a SLIGHT bit of discomfort (to my hand) with the pinky finger after extended shooting (more than a magazine or two). If the original poster had specified concealment as his MAIN purpose, I would have no problem recommending the Glock 26 as probably the best solution for his needs. Maybe it still is... only he will be able to tell for sure after test firing.

wallew | 07-19-2009 01:30 AM
Re: Walther PPK G, I concur. I just couldn't 'get a handle' on the subcompacts. But I REALLY LOVED the G22. And when I picked up the G22 rtf, that was it. And you can bump up the G22 to 17 rounds with the +2 plate. But the same can be said for the G19 as well (it can also use the +2 plate on the mags). Besides, most LEO's seem to be carrying .40's these days. So hopefully there will be SOME ammo availability for a while.

livtocruz | 07-19-2009 03:06 AM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaillo (Post 1824604) Wallew, I actually DID know about the Military/Police import exception for the Glock 25 and 28, but I figured the original poster was probably NOT qualified for either (based on his questions) and didn't think it important to bring up an exception that most of us will not be able to take advantage of. As for 9mm availability, in my area it is exactly opposite yours - I haven't seen .40 S&W or .45 ACP at any of my 3 area Walmarts for almost 9 months now - and they didn't have any on Friday... but 9mm is (and was, throughout the "dry spell") stacked up - even in 100 round "value packs". I still own a few .40S&W guns and one .45, so it would be NICE to finally see some - but my 9mm's seem to be the only handguns I can get a decent amount of practice with lately. Based on my own experiences (which are the only ones I can use as a basis for posting...) 9mm is the only "readily available" handgun cartridge in my neck of the world. Don't EVEN get me started about .380 ACP - it seems like FOREVER that I've seen any of that available anywhere... makes me glad I don't own any handguns chambered for that cartridge at this point! :)
Sorry, your post is good but, as I (the original poster), and my wife being x-military are pretty qualified. We understand rifles and shotguns but, her being ex-air police and me being ex-army, (both 70s-80s), her best bud was a .38 special and mine was, the M-16. I thought that it was prudent & wise to seek out a few people that new more about the newer & smaller semi-auto pistols than we do. I have talked with my brother-inlaw and his wife. My wife and I have both used (shot with) their pistols but their's are a .44 mag. (to much kick and a .38, it was ok, a little kick but nothing to write home about). So, I would like to get opinions from other people also. Hence, asking GIM members. Thanks

Agfinger | 07-19-2009 09:09 AM
Re: Walther PPK As a former owner of a WW2 Nazi marked GI-bringback Walther PP and a Nazi marked Mauser HSC, I can tell you that the premium that you will pay for a Walther will be terrible...The ballistics of the .32 are terrible as well. The only thing that makes them unique is the fact that they are the quintessential German officer's pistol as well as Bond's gun...To buy one to carry would be foolish. If you want a smallish pistol in the size range of the PPK, then as another poster said, your best bet would be to get a Makarov or a lightweight alloy PA-63. Both are 9mm Makarov and are easily convertable to 9mm parabellum. The PA63 is LESS than $200, made to milspec for the Romanian police and is a fine pistol. By the way, I "love to cruise too...We just got back from our fourth cruise....Eastern Carribean this time. Here's the PA63: http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7...xico035jf3.jpg

Big_Rob | 07-19-2009 09:12 AM
Re: Walther PPK +1 on the Bersa Thunder. My wife owns one and Its been nothing but reliable.

Waylon | 07-19-2009 10:31 AM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by steyr_m (Post 1824441) I agree with Gaillo, a Sig P232 might be the better choice. Remember, you get what you pay for. You want it to go bang every time you pull the trigger. Revolvers don't have the cool factor of pistols; but don't by-pass them.... there's no safety to worry about, no jams, etc. That would be my carry weapon. I'd personally use the spurless Ruger SP101.
Does anyone else besides me have any concerns about leaving your empty casing lying around on the ground after the show? I like the small, hammerless (relatively cheap) revolvers. Point weapon, pull trigger, walk away leaving nothing but the bullet in the target behind. Only down side is fewer shots (which may be a big downside depending on your circumstances). Still, nice to be able to walk away in the future without leaving behind evidence. Besides, I have not been "cool" for a some time now.

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Doge | 07-19-2009 10:41 AM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by Agfinger (Post 1824827) The PA63 is LESS than $200, made to milspec for the Romanian police and is a fine pistol.
Locally the PA-63 are going from $219 - $269 and a Makarov (East German, Russian, Bulgarian) are in the $360s.

livtocruz | 07-19-2009 11:41 AM
Re: Walther PPK 2 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by Agfinger (Post 1824827) As a former owner of a WW2 Nazi marked GI-bringback Walther PP and a Nazi marked Mauser HSC, I can tell you that the premium that you will pay for a Walther will be terrible...The ballistics of the .32 are terrible as well. The only thing that makes them unique is the fact that they are the quintessential German officer's pistol as well as Bond's gun...To buy one to carry would be foolish. If you want a smallish pistol in the size range of the PPK, then as another poster said, your best bet would be to get a Makarov or a lightweight alloy PA-63. Both are 9mm Makarov and are easily convertable to 9mm parabellum. The PA63 is LESS than $200, made to milspec for the Romanian police and is a fine pistol. By the way, I "love to cruise too...We just got back from our fourth cruise....Eastern Carribean this time. Here's the PA63: http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7...xico035jf3.jpg
Ag, a couple of pics for you, Grand Cayman this past Feb. My thanks to all who have posted, your input is invaluable.

tojaktoty | 07-19-2009 01:44 PM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaillo (Post 1824574) OK... then let's leave this "PPK" and P232 nonsense behind. The BEST guns you will find that embody the qualities you are looking for (assuming concealability is one of your desires, based on your PPK starting point) are (in order of increasing price) the Glock 19, Sig P228, or the H&K P2000 V3 (9mm). I wouldn't personally consider anything else. Yes... you can go with something larger caliber (.40 or .45), but the "stopping power" increase will be marginal at best - and you will lose magazine capacity, lighter-weight and smaller gun, ease of re-acquiring the target after your last shot, and low-cost readily available ammunition. Just my opinion - after much research and handgun ownership (I've bought and sold over 150 handguns in my life, and I'm STILL looking for the perfect one - but the above 3 are probably as close to "perfect" as I'm likely to get, each for its own reason!).
I'd agree with your recommendations. The HK P2K is nice. Note the older P7 models as well: PSP, P7M8, P7M13 I think the P7 family is more easily concealable, effective, and robust than the PPK.

Gaillo | 07-19-2009 06:36 PM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by tojaktoty (Post 1825086) I'd agree with your recommendations. The HK P2K is nice. Note the older P7 models as well: PSP, P7M8, P7M13 I think the P7 family is more easily concealable, effective, and robust than the PPK.
Indeed! I almost added the P7 as a 4th option, but have you priced them lately? I found one locally about 3 months ago, they wanted $1,700 for it! I remember when you could buy them for $500, and still kick myself for not picking up a pair. I have a friend who owns a P7 (can't recall the variant... but it is one of the single-stack 9mm's), and I can't find a single thing bad to say about it (other than the frames DO tend to get pretty hot after shooting a few mags rapid-fire!). For a PPK sized pistol, the P7 is definitely the top of the heap!

steyr_m | 07-19-2009 06:42 PM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by tojaktoty (Post 1825086) I'd agree with your recommendations. The HK P2K is nice. Note the older P7 models as well: PSP, P7M8, P7M13 I think the P7 family is more easily concealable, effective, and robust than the PPK.
I have a H&K P7M8 and love it. I especially love it because I'm a lefty. As I've said, you get what you pay for; but it is pricey. I'd rather have that than a glock.

Juandisimo | 07-19-2009 08:26 PM
Re: Walther PPK Get a sig or a glock in .357 sig if you want the most bang for your buck. With all the improvements in powder and projectiles, 9mm is fine too these days, I have a baby glock in .357 sig that I got in a pawn shop for 277 frn's otd. I fell in love with the cartridge after I bought the gun because it was such a deal. .357 sig is a very zesty round and is much more pleasant to shoot than .40. I own glocks in .357 sig, .40, and 9mm. my 9 and the .357 are my favs. I sold all my .380 ammo and pistols after I got the .357. No point in keeping it. My baby glock is the same size as the .380's I used to have and much more lethal. Much more pleasant to shoot than the baby glock in .40 too. Just my personal 2 cents.

NOOB | 07-19-2009 08:41 PM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by Waylon (Post 1824897) Does anyone else besides me have any concerns about leaving your empty casing lying around on the ground after the show? I like the small, hammerless (relatively cheap) revolvers. Point weapon, pull trigger, walk away leaving nothing but the bullet in the target behind. Only down side is fewer shots (which may be a big downside depending on your circumstances). Still, nice to be able to walk away in the future without leaving behind evidence. Besides, I have not been "cool" for a some time now.
I like the small revolvers and your point about shell casings is a good one.

wallew | 07-19-2009 10:17 PM
Re: Walther PPK Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaillo (Post 1825438) Indeed! I almost added the P7 as a 4th option, but have you priced them lately? I found one locally about 3 months ago, they wanted $1,700 for it! I remember when you could buy them for $500, and still kick myself for not picking up a pair. I have a friend who owns a P7 (can't recall the variant... but it is one of the single-stack 9mm's), and I can't find a single thing bad to say about it (other than the frames DO tend to get pretty hot after shooting a few mags rapid-fire!). For a PPK sized pistol, the P7 is definitely the top of the heap!
G, Why didn't you guys say this earlier? Here ya go. HK P7 Plum Slide - $800 The guy has ONE left... http://www.summitgunbroker.com/H_K_P7.html I just never like the squeeze cocker safety. It IS a good firearm at a great price. It may ALREADY be sold. Contact the guy if you have an interest.

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