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TomD | 07-08-2009 11:20 AM
What not to buy, worst pistol of all time I was thumbing through my gun encyclopedia and came on this. Thought you might like it. Ugly little sucker-- http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x.../jappistol.jpg

horseshoe3 | 07-08-2009 11:34 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time It's refreshing to see a brutally honest gun review. You definitely don't get that in American Rifleman. BTW, what do they say about the Cheau-Cheau (sp?)

SilverCity | 07-08-2009 02:36 PM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time 1 Attachment(s) You mean the French Chauchat? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauchat

AOW | 07-08-2009 02:47 PM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Don't buy this one either. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3194/...74d661.jpg?v=0

<SLV> | 07-08-2009 03:51 PM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Quote:
Originally Posted by AOW (Post 1807316) Don't buy this one either. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3194/...74d661.jpg?v=0
I'll agree with that! I talked a friend into buying one because it looked the best option in his price range. It goes "click" about twice in every mag.

horseshoe3 | 07-08-2009 04:13 PM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1807298) You mean the French Chauchat? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauchat
Yah, that one. I was just curious if it got the "worst machine gun" label. I've heard it was pretty bad.

TomD | 07-08-2009 04:48 PM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by horseshoe3 (Post 1807480) Yah, that one. I was just curious if it got the "worst machine gun" label. I've heard it was pretty bad.
Yeah, here's the writeup in my gun encyclopedia. Doesn't look to be something I would want to stake my life on. When fired it was "juddering and inaccurate". But that's OK because it would only rarely fire! :rofl::fan: Look at the cyclic rate of fire, 250 rounds per minute.

Raymond | 07-10-2009 01:55 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 1807555) Yeah, here's the writeup in my gun encyclopedia. Doesn't look to be something I would want to stake my life on. When fired it was "juddering and inaccurate". But that's OK because it would only rarely fire! :rofl::fan: Look at the cyclic rate of fire, 250 rounds per minute.
TomD, I think that page you posted has the wrong picture - that's a French Hotchkiss Modele 1914 machine gun. However, I agree that the Nambu and Chauchat were pretty wretched. Gotta love the open sides on the Chauchat's box magazine to let all sorts of crap inside.

Dapper Dan | 07-10-2009 02:00 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 1806930) I was thumbing through my gun encyclopedia and came on this. Thought you might like it. Ugly little sucker-- http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x.../jappistol.jpg
One in mint condition might be worth a high price to a collector. Then buy PMs, a better piece, or whatever.

TomD | 07-10-2009 07:27 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1810241) TomD, I think that page you posted has the wrong picture
Would I lie to you again?

Silver Spoon | 07-10-2009 07:37 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1807298) You mean the French Chauchat? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauchat
Quote:
The Chauchat was one of the first light machine guns designed to be carried and fired by a single operator and an assistant, without a heavy tripod or a team of machine gunners. It set a precedent for several subsequent 20th century firearm projects, being a portable automatic weapon built inexpensively and in very large numbers. It combined a pistol grip, an in-line stock, a large-capacity detachable magazine, and selective-fire capability in a compact package of manageable weight (20 pounds) for a single soldier, permitting firing from the hip or while walking.
I trust you weren't knocking it solely on the basis that it was a French design. I mean, I take it that a lot of Americans are anti-French and the reason I suspect is that they refused to buy the "Iraq supported Osama" line. Anyways the Italian Machine gun with the magazine that was fixed to the gun to save money is the worst machine gun in history (and has been linked to the reason the Italian forces folding so quickly in WWII)

AG Capone | 07-10-2009 08:05 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time 1 Attachment(s) High Point 45... This thing made funny rattling noises every time I touched it. If I recall correctly it had a plastic firing pin. I must have been high to buy this thing... Attachment 75109

rad | 07-10-2009 09:00 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time 2 Attachment(s) There are 2 pistols I have had problems with. I liked both of them even though they are cheap. I was shooting the Taurus PT-145 at about 30 degrees and the plastic the metal rail is embeded in broke off and hit me in the face. One of the 2 PF-9s I bought broke after around 200 rounds, now the mag falls out after one shot. They also don't chamber a round occasionally if you don't hold the thing tight enough.

steyr_m | 07-10-2009 09:17 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time For personal defence, go out and buy a German-made and designed pistol. You will pay more; but you want it to go "bang" every time you pull the trigger (if there's still ammo in it, for all the comedians out there). You will be hard pressed to find a crappy Walther, H&K, or Glock (Austrian, same people just different country). Consider a revolver too...

Victor | 07-10-2009 09:25 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Spoon (Post 1810382) I trust you weren't knocking it solely on the basis that it was a French design. I mean, I take it that a lot of Americans are anti-French and the reason I suspect is that they refused to buy the "Iraq supported Osama" line. Anyways the Italian Machine gun with the magazine that was fixed to the gun to save money is the worst machine gun in history (and has been linked to the reason the Italian forces folding so quickly in WWII)
No offense but the Chauchat, while it had some game changing ideas behind it (for future machine guns)....was a complete turd. It's got nothing to do with it being French design, anti French feelings, or the Iraq war. It was 100%garbage and would have been no matter what country made it....USA included.

FireMattMillen | 07-10-2009 09:40 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Quote:
Originally Posted by AG Capone (Post 1810406) High Point 45... This thing made funny rattling noises every time I touched it. If I recall correctly it had a plastic firing pin. I must have been high to buy this thing...
A .45 for less than $200...how can you go wrong? :wink:

Dave Thomas | 07-14-2009 12:46 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Hey Tom, I remember reading something about a really bad Japanese pistol somewhere else, when I saw your post it reminded me of it, I finally found it. It's called the Baby Nambu. I think I've even read it out of an encyclopedia like yours. Anyways here it is: http://www.davismilitaria.com/images...0Nambu%201.jpg It's a 7mm I think. You Tube
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Could you imagine charging some big corn fed Iowan wielding a 1911 with one of these? Yikes.

HiHoSilver64 | 07-14-2009 01:18 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Quote:
Originally Posted by steyr_m (Post 1810474) For personal defence, go out and buy a German-made and designed pistol. You will pay more; but you want it to go "bang" every time you pull the trigger (if there's still ammo in it, for all the comedians out there). You will be hard pressed to find a crappy Walther, H&K, or Glock (Austrian, same people just different country). Consider a revolver too...
I owned a Walther PPKs in 380 auto. Nicely made but was a jam-a-matic - every 3rd or 4th round - even after being sent back to interarms once for rework. Traded it in for a Glock 27. Worst pistil I have owned hands down was a Grendel P-11 Biggest case of pistol buyers remorse I have ever experienced. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_abaJ0xbRju...ol-380+acp.jpg For this reason I will never own a Kel Tec nor would I trust my life to one. I'll take a Ruger SP101 any day over a Kel Tec. I have had some malfunctions with Glocks but those have been largely attributed to out of spec extractors & ejectors. I had a Glock 26 recoil spring fail on me. Glock 21 recoil spring guide failed on me once as well. Then again I have run more ammo through my Glocks than many people shoot in several lifetimes. Wheel guns have a high level of reliability but I'd rather take my chances with a proven auto pistol due to less felt recoil, greater accuracy, quicker follow-up shots and greater ability to send more rounds down range [fast reloads] with the added benefit of all the above.

Baggerman | 07-14-2009 01:24 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Ha I think I got you all beat! My son in law gave me a Jennings J22 (22LR) I have been able to get as many as 3 shots without a jam and have tried new magazines (3 of them) different ammo (about 5 different brands), new ejector, new firing pin, etc, etc,. If I tied a string around it and swung it over my head it would make an OK defense weapon. My 9mm Astra on the otherhand has never missed a beat in about 2,000 rounds.

LukeNM | 07-14-2009 01:27 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Quote:
Originally Posted by rad (Post 1810455) There are 2 pistols I have had problems with. I liked both of them even though they are cheap. I was shooting the Taurus PT-145 at about 30 degrees and the plastic the metal rail is embeded in broke off and hit me in the face. One of the 2 PF-9s I bought broke after around 200 rounds, now the mag falls out after one shot. They also don't chamber a round occasionally if you don't hold the thing tight enough.
Taurus has one of the best warranties in the industry, lifetime (of any owner). Call them up, get an RMA number and send them in. They will fix them and ship them back to you for free.

Ghost Recon | 07-14-2009 12:33 PM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time My vote goes to my friends Davis Industries 380. Very heavy. Plus he says it's pretty much a disposable gun. Very difficult to take apart. I saw one at a gun show, they were asking $200!!!! What a joke!

elroy | 07-14-2009 12:56 PM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time I was in a place yesterday where several old guys were hanging out. One said he had just purchsed a new High Point 9mm for $169. He than said he had to take it home disassemble it and do some "gunsmithing" before it would function correctly.

JJ_ | 07-14-2009 04:20 PM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Thomas (Post 1816169) Could you imagine charging some big corn fed Iowan wielding a 1911 with one of these? Yikes.
Yeah... The banzai charge often happened in groups of 2. They put one of those pea poppers in the hand of the guy in front - as cover for the dood wielding 14th century hardware...:biggrin: war is hell....

JJ_ | 07-14-2009 04:23 PM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeNM (Post 1816200) They will fix them and ship them back to you for free.
:553:IN JUST UNDER A YEAR:23_30_104: :sarcasm:

rhoggman | 07-14-2009 08:18 PM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time bought my kid a water gun at a gun show... before we left the plug was missing and it would no longer reliably hold water. worst $1.59 I ever spent.... kid still likes it, but i was not impressed :(

fl57caveman | 07-14-2009 09:17 PM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1807298) You mean the French Chauchat? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauchat
this one was voted one of the 10 worst weapons in the entire history of man..

RaccoonRiverRadical | 07-14-2009 09:30 PM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Not the worst gun in the world but avoid the Beretta Tomcat.

AOW | 07-15-2009 10:47 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Quote:
Originally Posted by RaccoonRiverRadical (Post 1817613) Not the worst gun in the world but avoid the Beretta Tomcat.
Ok, I'll bite - what are your issues with the Tomcat?

Willie Peter | 07-16-2009 09:11 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time This one gets my vote....looks like something you'd buy the Ex....:4_1_72: http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8035/monroy1.jpg

crazychicken | 07-16-2009 10:51 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Quote:
Originally Posted by RaccoonRiverRadical (Post 1817613) Not the worst gun in the world but avoid the Beretta Tomcat.
I just bought my second one. First was ten years ago. I used the first one, did not like it. Threw it in the drawer. Consistent problems. A year ago I got motivated, sent it back to Berretta. They worked on it and sent it back---------NO CHARGE! Works just fine. Good enough for my daughter to carry. So I bought another one for my wife as her secondary. Ran 2,100 rounds of every make through it. NO PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!!!! I was really pissed at my first one. Guess I should have contacted Berretta sooner. CC

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csrobbins | 07-16-2009 11:42 AM
Re: What not to buy, worst pistol of all time Quote:
Originally Posted by Baggerman (Post 1816198) Ha I think I got you all beat! My son in law gave me a Jennings J22 (22LR) I have been able to get as many as 3 shots without a jam and have tried new magazines (3 of them) different ammo (about 5 different brands), new ejector, new firing pin, etc, etc,. If I tied a string around it and swung it over my head it would make an OK defense weapon. My 9mm Astra on the otherhand has never missed a beat in about 2,000 rounds.
Whats funny is 3 of my buddies and me each purchased one of these at the same time.... Two of them came broke out of the box.... the other would constantly jam... mine worked flawlessly... sold it for 50 bucks after actually reading about it.... Worse gun I purchased hands down is the cobra 380.... first gun i ever bought paid 90 bucks for it... jammed every shot.... gunstore called it a gunshow gun.... took it back 2 weeks later and he gave me 50 for it.

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