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Caligula | 01-28-2009 06:11 PM
Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) 1 Attachment(s) This will probably be my next purchase in .45 ACP. :yes: http://www.charterfirearms.com/products/CARR.html Charter Arms� New Revolutionary Rimless Revolver http://www.ammoland.com/2008/11/20/c...less-revolver/ Charter Arms, Dayton, OH --(AmmoLand.com)- Charter Arms announces the Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) a revolutionary new rimless revolver for popular semi-auto cartridges. Problem: The major drawback to rimless semi-auto cartridges in revolvers is they require specially made revolvers. These low-production, somewhat scarce and, highly-specialized revolvers are limited to sometimes fragile and expensive moon/half moon ammunition clips. Generally, only revolver aficionados and collectors bother with (.45ACP and 9mm Parabellum) rimless revolvers. While they may sometimes be fired without the specialized moon clips, generally the ejector rod will not eject the free-floating fired cases (got a pencil?). Solution: Charter Arms has come up with an affordable revolver that chambers rimless semi-auto rounds in the same manner as a standard rimmed-cartridge revolver. Available Calibers: Charter Arms will first offer the .40 S&W chambering, followed quickly by the .45ACP and 9�19 mm Parabellum (the 9mm Parabellum revolver will also chamber factory .380ACP). All three of Charter Arms� Rimless Revolvers (9mm, .40 and .45) are rated for higher velocity +P loadings. Availability: The first to be built will be the .40 caliber (currently there is no .40 available in any revolver). Charter Arms plan is the .40 should ship to distributors the first quarter of 2009. Some 90-120 days after the .40 the .45ACP will follow and some 90-120 days after the .45ACP the 9mm will follow The advantage is now the average gun owner can own an affordable, trouble-free revolver chambered in these popular semi-auto rounds without the need for specialized ammunition clips and a specialized gun. Back up and self-defense: For law enforcement work the always ready-to-fire, fiddle-factor-free revolver is the back up to have; especially if is the same caliber as the officer�s carry gun. As a primary self-defense carry gun, these three calibers mean reliable protection in popular semi-auto self defense-calibers. If more power is needed, step up to +P ammo. The advantage with Charter Arms Rimless Revolvers is they will fire any mix of cartridges while maintaining 100% reliability. For plinking with .45ACP or 9mm surplus and discounted military type ammo, the affordable Charter Arms Rimless Revolver will prove to be very economical and it�s also a .380 revolver. Now that is fun! The secret is the patent-pending Charter Arms Rimless Revolver Round System. Basically, when a round is loaded into the chamber a specialized spring engages the cartridge�s ejector groove. When the cylinder is opened and the ejector rod operated, it extracts and ejects the fired cases. Models: Initially snubbarrels (2″ 9mm and 2.2″ .40 and .45ACP) as these revolvers are designed for self- defense and back up. The 9mm is built on Charter Arms� compact and lightweight undercover platform featuring an aluminum frame and weighing only 12 ounces. The .40 and .45ACP built on the popular and robust Bulldog frame due to the larger diameter of these cartridges while maintaining a compact profile. Availability: First quarter of 2009. Warrantee: Charter Arms has an industry exclusive lifetime warranty on its revolvers. MSRP Prices: 9mm $399.00, .40 $449.00, .45ACP $449.00

poor boy | 01-28-2009 06:19 PM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) Nice , and those seem like fairly reasonable prices too .

<SLV> | 01-28-2009 06:20 PM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) I have a hard time finding a reason to buy one. 5 shots, versus 17 in the Glock. Hmmm...

Caligula | 01-28-2009 06:32 PM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) Quote:
Originally Posted by TechGuy (Post 1536867) Strictly for small back up arm, easy to conceal, 9mm since that is my standard pistol round. Not primary home defense. Plus there is a certain novelty.
....Plus revolvers are coool. ....Plus you can get up and close, no cylcling issues. ....Plus it will always go bang.

Victor | 01-28-2009 08:24 PM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) Buyer beware as Charter does not have the best of quality records..... Edit: Great idea though.

Ag_man | 01-28-2009 08:32 PM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor (Post 1537044) Buyer beware as Charter does not have the best of quality records..... Edit: Great idea though.
I've heard that as well, although it may be "gun gossip". The company does have a rather stormy and convoluted history, which may have had something to do with quality issues. http://www.charterfirearms.com/about..._Firearms.html I also think this is a great idea, in concept.

electric-amish | 01-28-2009 08:42 PM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) Revolvers do not leave those messy spent cartridges laying around makeing the area look trashy ;) Little fella is kinda cute E-A

MOD1 | 01-28-2009 09:04 PM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) I regret selling a S&W M547 3-inch, round butt in 1990. I was the second owner but it was in near-new condition. What was I thinking. :s15: Take care, Mod1

silverbullet | 01-28-2009 09:35 PM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) I already told my favorite local gunshop that I would take the first .40 CARR that they got in. I have 2 96d's in .40 cal, and a ton of .40 cal ammo. Might as well get a revolver that eats the same thing. I've been waiting to see a release date, glad to see they've finally said "April" instead of the "early 09" that they have been giving. :applause_

Willie Peter | 01-28-2009 09:41 PM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) Certainly not the highest of quality, but I've never had any problems out of my .44 Bull Dog Pug......extremely small and light, you can literally keep it in your pocket.....5 shot SA/DA http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9...er38056xf7.jpg http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/c...jpg/1/w500.png

AZLiberty | 01-29-2009 01:48 AM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor (Post 1537044) Buyer beware as Charter does not have the best of quality records..... Edit: Great idea though.
I almost certainly will buy one of the .45 acp versions, even though moon clips are a feature, not a problem. (moon clips = good, instant speedloader) And Charters quality lately has been quite good. I have several friends who own two of the newer ones and they are quite happy with them.

ruprick | 01-29-2009 01:56 AM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) Quote:
Originally Posted by Caligula (Post 1536882) ....Plus revolvers are coool. ....Plus you can get up and close, no cylcling issues. ....Plus it will always go bang.
And they leave the lead in the perp and take their cases home with them......when you make the desicion to shoot and scoot... Charter Arms is acceptable quality. You can see in some of the manufacturing processes where they save money....but in the end the guns are actually pretty good. I would put them right around the Taurus class...perhaps a bit below on appearance/finish. Very functional and 2/3 cost of S&W.....me.....I spend the extra and go S&W......but i like the concept and the 40 S&W chambering.....if i had a 40 s&w i'd have to own one. Might give the 9mm a thought down the road. I have a 45 ACP S&W 625 in 5 in bbl......I have lots of 45ACP around...

Mike C | 01-29-2009 12:44 PM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1536865) I have a hard time finding a reason to buy one. 5 shots, versus 17 in the Glock. Hmmm...
Valid point, but there are reasons for a revolver. As much as I LOVE my 5 Glocks, I also love my little Smith & Wesson revolvers. I know they are perfect for my WIFE to be able to shoot, no worries about a FTF or stovepipe, just pull the trigger and it works. They have been around a LONG time, for a reason, they work. I still carry my Glocks most of the time, but during the summer, a nice little S&W 642 fits perfect in my shorts pocket, and I feel comfortable carrying it. My next will be a S&W .357 magnum, or a Ruger SP101. Anyone want to sell me one cheap??

ruprick | 01-29-2009 12:48 PM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike C (Post 1538166) Valid point, but there are reasons for a revolver. As much as I LOVE my 5 Glocks, I also love my little Smith & Wesson revolvers. I know they are perfect for my WIFE to be able to shoot, no worries about a FTF or stovepipe, just pull the trigger and it works. They have been around a LONG time, for a reason, they work. I still carry my Glocks most of the time, but during the summer, a nice little S&W 642 fits perfect in my shorts pocket, and I feel comfortable carrying it. My next will be a S&W .357 magnum, or a Ruger SP101. Anyone want to sell me one cheap??
Mike those larger revolvers are ok around the house.....but just too big to carry on your person....just stick to your little j-frame smiths....

End of Hope | 01-29-2009 05:21 PM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) Quote:
Originally Posted by Caligula (Post 1536848) Warrantee: Charter Arms has an industry exclusive lifetime warranty on its revolvers.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...ectionId=10504 Warranty Information The Smith & Wesson Advantage™ In addition to providing some of the highest quality products available today, Smith & Wesson is committed to providing our customers with support and services second to none. When you purchase a Smith & Wesson handgun, you receive the Smith & Wesson Advantage™, comprised of four service features: 1. Lifetime Service Policy We will repair any defect in material or workmanship without charge to the original purchaser for as long as you own the handgun. I know some people hate Smith & Wesson due to their "cooperation" with the Clintonistas, but their revolvers remain, hands-down, the best. Besides, Charter Arms has a bad reputation, with good reason.

Big_Rob | 01-30-2009 12:47 AM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) The new Charter Arms isnt that bad of a manufacturer. I want one of the Bulldog Pugs for a small big bore pocket pistol. Id rate them pretty good. Ive held their small 357 mags and they are what they are a good firearm that will do its job when called upon. IIRC They only have like 17 people working for them

Unclad Lad | 02-24-2009 11:35 PM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) Quote:
I almost certainly will buy one of the .45 acp versions, even though moon clips are a feature, not a problem. (moon clips = good, instant speedloader)
If they're smart they (or a partner) will introduce speedloaders for those rounds.

farscott | 02-25-2009 05:51 AM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) In my limited experience, the Charter Arms guns never make it through a 500-round course of fire during a class. I took a revolver-class at the old Thunder Ranch and several people brought .44 Special Bulldog Pugs. Every one of them failed to complete the course due to mechanical failure. There were no failures of any of the S&W M696 .44 Special revolvers. 500 rounds is just not that many rounds in a week, so to have all of a small sample fail is indicative of an issue. Good idea, wrong manufacturer.

hoarder | 02-25-2009 07:18 AM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor (Post 1537044) Buyer beware as Charter does not have the best of quality records..... Edit: Great idea though.
Agree with both points. I have a Bulldog Pug and it was loose and wobbly when I bought it new. I like slower heavier bullets like .45 ACP and .44 spl.

GoldWampum | 02-25-2009 07:41 AM
Re: Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) Great idea to put 40 SW in a small revolver.

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