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TruthInOurTime | 12-30-2009 05:32 PM
Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 I am thinking about getting 2k rounds of the Egyptian ammo from ammoman for 400 bucks. Anyone have first hand experience with this specific ammo or berdan primed ammo in general? Will I literally have to clean my gun (AK) after shooting it? Or would I be better off buying the wolf for $.04 a round more?

Juandisimo | 12-30-2009 05:36 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 I like the Yugo Samco has. Not familiar with the Egyptian, If it is corrosive you will need to clean appropriately but the ak is easy to take apart and clean.

mayhem | 12-30-2009 06:13 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 Berden primed doesn't mean that it's corrosive. And what Juandisimo said is a given. Just carry some glass cleaner with ammonia in it, and before you leave the range wash down the barrel. Then when you get home do a normal clean. Really not a big deal as some make it out to be. Having 2k of ammo on hand is worth it.

Irons | 12-30-2009 06:20 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 Not worth it, your entire gas system and flash hider will turn into an orange fuzzball. If you are into totally stripping and cleaning as soon as you get done shooting, and I mean scrubbing like a wombat, then go for it. If you miss a spot, don't worry. Within a day an orange mushroom will show you what was missed. I would never run it through any gun I like, ever again!

Irons | 12-30-2009 06:46 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 Quote:
Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 2101195) 3rd party anecdotal, but that's what I'm hearing as well. Guy says he poured boiling hot water through the gun several times and then oiled, but the next day it was rusted shut. I'll let someone else experiment with it. The only real upgrade is the brass right? The velocity numbers have to be around the same with the steel cased stuff?
I ran cheap corrosive egyptian 9mm thru my Uzi and I swear it took a year to stop the orange fuzz, and besides that I think the shit had sand in it, it was labeled "corrosive primer". Granted this was in the early 90's but no way, not again! When I got my AK back in 86' ammo was real hard to find in quantity so I got a few hundred rounds of corrosive and heated her up! Bad Move. I think the reason corrosive ammo is still around from time to time is nobody will shoot more than one session with it and will never buy it again.:yes:

bwelkk | 12-30-2009 06:55 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 Almost all 7.62x39 is corrosive. All surplus 7.62x39 is corrosive. The legendary AK reliability you've heard about occurred with corrosive ammo and people seldom cleaning them.

TruthInOurTime | 12-30-2009 06:55 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 Quote:
Originally Posted by Irons (Post 2101221) I ran cheap corrosive egyptian 9mm thru my Uzi and I swear it took a year to stop the orange fuzz, and besides that I think the shit had sand in it, it was labeled "corrosive primer". Granted this was in the early 90's but no way, not again! When I got my AK back in 86' ammo was real hard to find in quantity so I got a few hundred rounds of corrosive and heated her up! Bad Move. I think the reason corrosive ammo is still around from time to time is nobody will shoot more than one session with it and will never buy it again.:yes:
Well I guess it looks like I'll stick to the trusty wolf then. Thanks for all the comments.

wildcard | 12-30-2009 07:02 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 Quote:
Originally Posted by bwelkk (Post 2101237) Almost all 7.62x39 is corrosive. All surplus 7.62x39 is corrosive. The legendary AK reliability you've heard about occurred with corrosive ammo and people seldom cleaning them.
Well you test it out and get back to us! You run an oxidizer through a metal machine and you don't carefully clean it out and you get rust! And rust never sleeps! You Tube
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SilverCity | 12-30-2009 07:35 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 Lots of folks shoot corrosive ammo without problems, myself included. Most all AKs and SKSs (except Yugos) have chrome chamber and bores for a reason. Potassium Chlorate priming is mil spec for all Russian, former combloc countries, and Chinese military ammo. It is very reliable priming. Guaranteed to go BANG in sub-zero temperature and will probably last for a hundred years. Can't say the same for commercial ammo. Clean after shooting with hot or warm soapy water, rinse, dry, finish with a good water-displacing solvent or oil. If you don't or won't clean your rifle regularly, then stockpile commercial non-corrosive ammo.

Patriotme | 12-30-2009 07:55 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 No experience with the Egytian, sorry. I used to shoot the corrosive Yugo stuff in a SKS years ago. I would give it a thorough cleaning after the range. I never had any problems with rust or the bore.

Irons | 12-30-2009 07:56 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 Quote:
Originally Posted by TruthInOurTime (Post 2101238) Well I guess it looks like I'll stick to the trusty wolf then. Thanks for all the comments.
I like wolf just fine, especially because it comes in the heavy duty steel cans. Its a little dirty but nothing too bad, and it go's bang every time. It's not consistant enough for long range precice shooting like for prarie dogs at 300+ yards, but for the most part a mag full of wolf will really eff up any bad guys plans!:bear_happy:

Twisted Avatar | 12-30-2009 07:56 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 Quote:
Originally Posted by Irons (Post 2101221) I ran cheap corrosive egyptian 9mm thru my Uzi and I swear it took a year to stop the orange fuzz, and besides that I think the shit had sand in it, it was labeled "corrosive primer".
So what type of gun uses this stuff??? T

TruthInOurTime | 12-30-2009 07:57 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 Quote:
Originally Posted by Irons (Post 2101338) It's not consistant enough for long range precice shooting like for prarie dogs at 300+ yards,
Neither is my AK :emotions16: Plus this ammo is just for shooting since it has become the cheapest thing to shoot other than .22lr.

Osprey550 | 12-30-2009 08:36 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 I shot thousands of the chinese 7.62x39 through my sks back when you could buy those 1100 round cases for $99.00. The horror stories I heard about corrosive ammo were enough to make me double clean after each range session. I never really had any big issues with rust. Lots of hot soapy water and oil afterwards.

Irons | 12-30-2009 08:44 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 2101340) So what type of gun uses this stuff??? T
I think armies leave it to be captured, thereby really effing up the enemy weapons.

Tallships | 12-30-2009 08:46 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 I heard that out in the field, you can just pee through the barrel to counteract the corrosion.

TruthInOurTime | 12-30-2009 09:28 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 I've heard mentioned other places that firing a mag of non corrosive at the end of the day will at least clean the barrel. Any truth to that?

Elvis | 12-30-2009 09:34 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 If you are serious about caring for your rifle don't use piss or a few rounds of ammo to clean it. There are a lot of products, including ammonia based cleaners, that will do the job. Google it.

Celtic Rogue | 12-30-2009 09:41 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 yep I have been told to keep a bottle of windex and spray it down real good after shooting ... wait 5 minutes and clean regularly. This old guy at the range swore by it.

Tallships | 12-30-2009 09:58 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 Quote:
Originally Posted by Elvis (Post 2101531) If you are serious about caring for your rifle don't use piss or a few rounds of ammo to clean it. There are a lot of products, including ammonia based cleaners, that will do the job. Google it.
Agreed, just something to know if you are in the field during SHTF.

State of Jefferson | 12-30-2009 10:23 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 Quote:
Originally Posted by bwelkk (Post 2101237) Almost all 7.62x39 is corrosive. All surplus 7.62x39 is corrosive. The legendary AK reliability you've heard about occurred with corrosive ammo and people seldom cleaning them.
QFT!! The AK series. And all Mosins. And every (in)famous Russian piece. Every one of them "grew up" on "evil corrosive" ammunition. And matured, and keep fighting on well past when other lesser tools retired to the museum. Do I "prefer" corrosive? Nah, why put extra stress on an old geezer? But will it kill off our old friends? No, definitely not - just give him a bath more often.

Haltiat | 12-31-2009 12:07 AM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 For the difference in price it isn't worth it to me. Corrosive primers do last longer but consider that the ammo is usually already decades old surplus by the time you buy it. Does U.S. mil spec 5.56x45 use a corrosive primer? AFAIK just about everybody switch to non-corrosive by the 80's or early 90's. Yes, an AK will shoot this stuff and keep on trucking... even without cleaning... and that is a testament to the fortitude of the action but by the same token have you ever seen a "battlefield pickup" AK that has experienced that? It's not exactly the treatment I would deliberately want to subject my go to rifle to. The bottom line is that if you want the best terminal performance you should be spending the few pennies per round extra that it costs for some 124gr HP's or 125gr SP's, which have the additional benefit of being non-corrosive.

SilverCity | 12-31-2009 12:18 AM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 1 Attachment(s) I recommend commercial Wolf Military Classic HP and Golden Tiger FMJ almost exclusively, well, including the "bears". BTW, here is a picture of a corrosion test one guy did with various types of surplus and commercial x39. He pulled bullets, powder, then popped the primer over a nail and allowed casing to set for a few weeks.

Haltiat | 12-31-2009 12:21 AM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 2101853) For the record, I recommend commercial Wolf Military Classic HP and Golden Tiger FMJ almost exclusively.
...and my Mosin eats corrosive. :ok: of course corrosive isn't a big deal in anything other than a semi-auto since the gas isn't sprayed everywhere inside the action. Black powder is corrosive and we still have muskets that are hundreds of years old that have shot this stuff.

ONG | 12-31-2009 08:20 AM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 I buy both. The noncorrosive when I just want to fire a few rounds and not have to give the gun a bath, and the corrosive when I want to really make some noise.

Osprey550 | 12-31-2009 11:17 AM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 Until the last great ammo price increase, there were significant savings related to the corrosive surplus. Not the case any longer unless you run across an individual with a bunch to unload. Popularity of corrosive ammo has waned with the price increase. Black powder is a corrosive as well but front loaders are used for years without negative impacts so long as good cleaning procedures are followed.

CrufflerJJ | 01-01-2010 08:15 PM
Re: Opinions On Corrosive 7.62x39 Corrosive ammo is just fine, as long as you clean up afterwards with a good solvent. I like using WWII US surplus GI Bore Cleaner. Hoppes will also dissolve corrosive salts. At the range, a quick Windex-wet bore patch will remove the majority of the salts. Clean again when reaching home, and maybe one more time the following day. No problems at all, even with the VERY corrosive Turk 8mm ammo. Cleaning a semiauto after firing corrosive ammo is more of a pain, but such is life. Rust depends a lot on your local humidity - if you're in a desert environment, rust will take a long while to develop. If your area is warm & humid, prompt cleaning is needed. I have never fired Egyptian 7.62x39 ammo, but have heard that their 9mm stuff has VERY hard primers (sometimes needing a second strike to fire).

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