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chad | 04-22-2009 12:47 PM
chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries this is becoming a big story here in wisconsin: http://www.wisn.com/cnn-news/19235901/detail.html basically it boils down to the fact that they'be been aresting this guy for open cary in his yard (he's a certified firearms instructor), the state attorney general ruled it's legal, but the local chief of police says he doesn't care and will 'take down' people who legally open carry.

Goldhedge | 04-22-2009 12:52 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries I'd say that was the 'Color of Law' speaking there. Chief of Police? Doesn't he work for THE CITY OF MILWAUKEE inc.? So, what he's saying is he'll enforce Corporate law (administrative/legislative codes) and ignore the Constitution? Did he swear an oath to uphold said Constitution??? Is he in violation of his 'oath'??? Where does a corporate employee get the jurisdiction over common man to do anything???

Mantokir | 04-22-2009 12:55 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries I'm sorry but that's just asking for trouble... he's gonna end up behind a toolshed somewhere...

<SLV> | 04-22-2009 12:56 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Wisconsin is horribly intollerant of gun owners (and I'm moving there in a month... goodbye CCW). 1. They have no "castle doctrine"/"make my day" law. If a homeowner shoots an ARMED INTRUDER he can be tried for murder. 2. The DNR has decreed that they have the authority to disarm hunters ON THEIR OWN PRIVATE LAND without being questioned. 2A gives us the right to KEEP (own) and BEAR (carry armed, not transport) arms WITHOUT infringement. We have already been nationally infringed on keeping by NFA, and most states have infringed on bearing. I can't understand why the Constitution does not at least protect the right of every citizen to carry openly. BTW... the worst firearms crime in recent memory in Wisconsin was a young cop who went on a shooting spree and killed several teens.

Ag_man | 04-22-2009 12:57 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Fascist swine.

born_cross_eyed | 04-22-2009 12:58 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries "We don't like the law so we're not going to follow it." Are there any gun rights organizations in Wisconsin? Where is the NRA? Probably in Washington writing some gun control legislation.

chad | 04-22-2009 12:59 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries you have to remember that in wisconsin, everything is seen through the eyes of milwaukee (lots of minorities) and madison (REALLY far out left wingers). the rest of the state's opinions don't matter. a big enough block of left wing voters live in those 2 cities to run the state. and the politician's know it. the state leigslature has passed CCW numerous times and doyle just vetos it everytime. it's become something of a joke.

TLM | 04-22-2009 01:00 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries "Milwaukee's police chief said he'll go on telling his officers to take down anyone with a firearm despite Van Hollen's finding that people can carry guns openly if they do it peacefully. Chief Ed Flynn said officers can't assume people are carrying guns legally in a city that has seen nearly 200 homicides in the past two years. He said that means officers seeing anybody carrying a gun will put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide if the person has a right to carry it." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- So open carry is legal but they are assuming you are a felon and are not allowed by law to open carry? So they will throw you on the ground and take your gun away until it is proven otherwise. How do we know that someone dressed as a police officer and "open carrying" a weapon is really a police officer? Why can't citizens throw them down on the ground and remove their weapon until they can verify that they are a police officer and are not a felon, and have the "right" to open carry. :confused_ma:

I am me, I am free | 04-22-2009 01:02 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1689225) 2A gives us the right
You could not be more wrong. And this sort of ignorance is our biggest problem. The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God. -JFK

Ag_man | 04-22-2009 01:04 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1689225) Wisconsin is horribly intollerant of gun owners (and I'm moving there in a month... goodbye CCW). 1. They have no "castle doctrine"/"make my day" law. If a homeowner shoots an ARMED INTRUDER he can be tried for murder. 2. The DNR has decreed that they have the authority to disarm hunters ON THEIR OWN PRIVATE LAND without being questioned. 2A gives us the right to KEEP (own) and BEAR (carry armed, not transport) arms WITHOUT infringement. We have already been nationally infringed on keeping by NFA, and most states have infringed on bearing. I can't understand why the Constitution does not at least protect the right of every citizen to carry openly. BTW... the worst firearms crime in recent memory in Wisconsin was a young cop who went on a shooting spree and killed several teens.
I live very close to the Wisconsin border, always thought WI was marginally better than IL with regard to firearms laws (no FOID card needed in WI, for example). Almost bought a house across the border, but the higher state income and property taxes were the deal killer. I still think IL is more of a police state than WI, but not by very much.

sirgonzo420 | 04-22-2009 01:10 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1689234) You could not be more wrong. And this sort of ignorance is our biggest problem. The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God. -JFK
You saved me a post.... (well not really, because I made this post :tongue_ma:) But yeah, governments are incapable of "giving rights". (only God/Creator/whatever you wish to call it can do that) At best, gov'ts can only "grant privileges". . .

<SLV> | 04-22-2009 01:19 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1689234) You could not be more wrong. And this sort of ignorance is our biggest problem. The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God. -JFK
Perhaps you should spend a little more time here before calling someone ignorant. LEGALLY our rights are given by the LAW. You can wax as philosophical as you want, but NOBODY ON THIS PLANET lives under God without the interference of human government.

Mantokir | 04-22-2009 01:20 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1689225) Wisconsin is horribly intollerant of gun owners (and I'm moving there in a month... goodbye CCW). 1. They have no "castle doctrine"/"make my day" law. If a homeowner shoots an ARMED INTRUDER he can be tried for murder. 2. The DNR has decreed that they have the authority to disarm hunters ON THEIR OWN PRIVATE LAND without being questioned. 2A gives us the right to KEEP (own) and BEAR (carry armed, not transport) arms WITHOUT infringement. We have already been nationally infringed on keeping by NFA, and most states have infringed on bearing. I can't understand why the Constitution does not at least protect the right of every citizen to carry openly. BTW... the worst firearms crime in recent memory in Wisconsin was a young cop who went on a shooting spree and killed several teens.
**Crosses Wisconsin off of his list of places to move too**

<SLV> | 04-22-2009 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1689237) I live very close to the Wisconsin border, always thought WI was marginally better than IL with regard to firearms laws (no FOID card needed in WI, for example). Almost bought a house across the border, but the higher state income and property taxes were the deal killer. I still think IL is more of a police state than WI, but not by very much.
Wisconsin likes to control everything. For the most part it is a well-managed peaceful state (outside of M/M). Illinois (Chicago) is much more corrupt, disrespectful, and oppressive.

Chris_Is_Here | 04-22-2009 01:59 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1689225) Wisconsin is horribly intollerant of gun owners (and I'm moving there in a month... goodbye CCW). 1. They have no "castle doctrine"/"make my day" law. If a homeowner shoots an ARMED INTRUDER he can be tried for murder. 2. The DNR has decreed that they have the authority to disarm hunters ON THEIR OWN PRIVATE LAND without being questioned. 2A gives us the right to KEEP (own) and BEAR (carry armed, not transport) arms WITHOUT infringement. We have already been nationally infringed on keeping by NFA, and most states have infringed on bearing. I can't understand why the Constitution does not at least protect the right of every citizen to carry openly. BTW... the worst firearms crime in recent memory in Wisconsin was a young cop who went on a shooting spree and killed several teens.
Cripes, even here in the People's State of MA, we have a castle doctine....that is unreal....a few years ago, I was chatting with a mighty whitey about this issue, and he told me, in no uncertain terms, that if you ever draw and fire on an intruder, be sure to drag the guy over the threshold before the authorities arrive....basically, as I understand it (but I could be wrong on this), the castle doctine applies to someone within the confines of your home, shoot someone in the yard, and you could be in a world of trouble..

I am me, I am free | 04-22-2009 02:12 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1689262) Perhaps you should spend a little more time here before calling someone ignorant. LEGALLY our rights are given by the LAW. You can wax as philosophical as you want, but NOBODY ON THIS PLANET lives under God without the interference of human government.
LOL! You don't even know the distinction between lawful and legal, and that which is "in truth, the highest law". And a lil' bit of education for ya unless you're too cool for school: that interference you refer to is strictly by contract, and in order to enter into that contract you must first consent. No consent = no contract. All civilized systems of law have remedy and recourse. -Howard Freeman

RossL | 04-22-2009 02:53 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries police can "take down" someone but a jury must convict

renegade_01 | 04-22-2009 03:16 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries maybe someone should show this cop what happens to traitors.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph...1_1205021i.jpg http://encefalus.com/wp-content/uplo...urning_cop.jpg

blueice | 04-22-2009 03:27 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Where is the NRA, GOA and the ACLU:questionm

Saul Mine | 04-22-2009 05:50 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Sounds like a declaration of war.

Tallships | 04-22-2009 06:09 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries He should invite a hundred of his closest friends for an open carry party on his front lawn. I bet those cops wouldn't do crap with 100 armed men standing in a group.

maximumrebel1 | 04-22-2009 06:30 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by Mantokir (Post 1689223) I'm sorry but that's just asking for trouble... he's gonna end up behind a toolshed somewhere...
The Cop or the citizen?

Mantokir | 04-22-2009 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by maximumrebel1 (Post 1689658) The Cop or the citizen?
The cop, basically telling people he's not gonna follow the law.

Dzepxich | 04-22-2009 08:15 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries I'm looking for a word.....Malfesance in Office? Isn't that a criminal offense? Why hasn't someone filed a complaint with the state civil service commision?

mick silver | 04-22-2009 08:21 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries As you see he not going by what he swear a oath for ............... Constitution.............. I am so sick of seeing men take a oath an can not live by that oath

Tome | 04-22-2009 08:33 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries 1 Attachment(s) Attachment 68862 Are those bullet holes? :smile:

maximumrebel1 | 04-22-2009 08:48 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by Mantokir (Post 1689709) The cop, basically telling people he's not gonna follow the law.
For sure I hope they have to drag the waters for his ass.

steel_ag | 04-23-2009 11:18 AM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzepxich (Post 1689788) I'm looking for a word.....Malfesance in Office? Isn't that a criminal offense? Why hasn't someone filed a complaint with the state civil service commision?
Try "Assault With a Deadly Weapon" and or "Aggravated Kidnapping" example of Texas (not sure about Wisconsin) law... Sec. 20.04. AGGRAVATED KIDNAPPING. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly abducts another person with the intent to: (1) hold him for ransom or reward; (2) use him as a shield or hostage; Source: http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes....000020.00.htm (3) facilitate the commission of a felony or the flight after the attempt or commission of a felony; (4) inflict bodily injury on him or violate or abuse him sexually; (5) terrorize him or a third person; or (6) interfere with the performance of any governmental or political function. (b) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly abducts another person and uses or exhibits a deadly weapon during the commission of the offense. (c) Except as provided by Subsection (d), an offense under this section is a felony of the first degree.

Heimdhal | 04-23-2009 11:48 AM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Cops are just ASKING for a war arent they? I mean, it really seems this way all across the country. I dont know if they get their jollies off at night thinking of dressing up in riot gear and hitting the streets of america while they jerk themselves with one hand, holding their tasers in another. This chief has not only said he will IGNORE the law(state and federal) but he will activley BREAK the law and order others to break the law. After hearing this, I wont be suprised when a few of these pigs wind up dead.

Waylon | 04-23-2009 11:35 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries No one should care if someone puts some lead in this cops head ... after all, he does not care about the law. Why should anyone else? :dontknow:

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thomaspaine | 04-24-2009 12:29 AM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1689262) Perhaps you should spend a little more time here before calling someone ignorant. LEGALLY our rights are given by the LAW. You can wax as philosophical as you want, but NOBODY ON THIS PLANET lives under God without the interference of human government.
Actually he is right on this, The Bill of Rights does NOT grant us rights, rather enumerates rights that man has through natural law, and that the government may not infringe upon. The trick is getting .gov to live up to the constitution....

latemetal | 04-24-2009 05:59 AM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries This ends shortly after the first few "False Arrest" law suits are filed.:36_1_28:

<SLV> | 04-24-2009 08:38 AM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by thomaspaine (Post 1691702) The trick is getting .gov to live up to the constitution....
That's my point. I agree in "theory", but we don't live in "theory-land". Reality is that the constitution is just a "God-damn piece of paper". That is the reality in which we live, and this country will be overthrown before the government will begin letting us exercise our GOD-GIVEN rights. In the meantime, we have to live in the reality that is "government".

elroy | 04-24-2009 11:07 AM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries All of the Wisconsin refugees are welcome to move to Indiana. [no liberal weenies please] We have CCW - shall issue Castle doctrine for home and car we even have a lifetime CCW permit - no renewals required

Fabonz | 04-24-2009 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mantokir (Post 1689223) I'm sorry but that's just asking for trouble... he's gonna end up behind a toolshed somewhere...
It's kinda funny how when a person exercizes a constitutional right they are "asking for trouble". Use your rights or lose them.....

Mantokir | 04-24-2009 12:23 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabonz (Post 1692328) It's kinda funny how when a person exercizes a constitutional right they are "asking for trouble". Use your rights or lose them.....
I didn't realize the cop was exercising his rights... I do know that the way I worded was confusing, but another post already cleared that up. :-)

luft97 | 04-24-2009 07:03 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1689225) Wisconsin is horribly intollerant of gun owners (and I'm moving there in a month... goodbye CCW). 1. They have no "castle doctrine"/"make my day" law. If a homeowner shoots an ARMED INTRUDER he can be tried for murder. 2. The DNR has decreed that they have the authority to disarm hunters ON THEIR OWN PRIVATE LAND without being questioned.
This state should be right up your alley SLV. :biggrin: Didn't you say you would give up your guns when the gooberment asked for them?

morganchaser | 04-24-2009 07:43 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Open carry is an interesting legal phenomenon. Technically, I think a felon could open carry a firearm and exercise his 4th/5th amendment rights and get acquitted of firearms charges on the grounds of illegal search. As it should be. There are very few states that require a pedestrian to identify themselves to the police(as it should be) so the police have no way of identifying if an open carried firearm is being legally carried. I think this calls for a button camera/Ridley report video. It could be argued that open carry of a firearm is prima facie evidence that the firearm is legally possessed as opposed to probable cause for a search(which it most certainly isn't, and neither is a refusal to identify oneself.)

TLM | 04-24-2009 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by morganchaser (Post 1692943) It could be argued that open carry of a firearm is prima facie evidence that the firearm is legally possessed as opposed to probable cause for a search(which it most certainly isn't, and neither is a refusal to identify oneself.)
I like that. Many have argued that against automobile license checks when no evidence of any law has been broken.

<SLV> | 04-24-2009 09:31 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by luft97 (Post 1692899) This state should be right up your alley SLV. :biggrin: Didn't you say you would give up your guns when the gooberment asked for them?
I said I wouldn't use my guns against a law enforcement officer as long as that law enforcement officer was acting legally.

Agfinger | 04-24-2009 10:06 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by morganchaser (Post 1692943) Open carry is an interesting legal phenomenon. Technically, I think a felon could open carry a firearm and exercise his 4th/5th amendment rights and get acquitted of firearms charges on the grounds of illegal search. As it should be.
"Open Carry" of pistols was routinely banned in 18th century Old West towns from Dodge City to Abilene...Don't know whether or not this was ever challenged in court, but apparently not...

Heimdhal | 04-24-2009 10:12 PM
Re: chief of police says he'll "take down" anyone who lawfully open carries Quote:
Originally Posted by Agfinger (Post 1693150) "Open Carry" of pistols was routinely banned in 18th century Old West towns from Dodge City to Abilene...Don't know whether or not this was ever challenged in court, but apparently not...
That is true, however it was mostly on within city limits, or within the main area of the town. Everywhere else, no big deal.

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