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Lars Ragnarsson | 04-19-2009 10:54 PM
Gun-Bashing - The Liars Won't Quit Despite having Hitlery, the Mexican Ambassador, and himself called out for misleading the public on the percent of weapons confiscated in Mexico that came from the US, vs. the number of traceable weapons that came from the US, Osamabama and his staff continue the disinformation campaign. What an arrogant bastahd....:36_1_30: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/firs...overed-mexico/ Quote:
PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad and Tobago -- What's the difference between "recovered" and "traceable" when it comes to firearms seized in Mexico's bloody war against drug cartels? The White House says none. But that's a distinction with a difference, even if President Obama used the words interchangeably last week to talk about the role firearms smuggled from the U.S. play in Mexico's stepped up fight against entrenched, well-armed drug cartels. "This war is being waged with guns purchased not here, but in the United States. More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our shared border," the president said on the subject in his joint press conference with Mexican President Felipe Calderon on Thursday: To some, it might sound as if Obama is saying 90 percent of all guns captured from the cartels originated in America. But that's not what the president means, senior National Security Council Spokesman Denis McDonough told FOX News on Saturday. "By recovered he means traceable, guns traced back to the United States," McDonough said. "These are ATF (Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms) numbers. These are the guns submitted to the ATF for tracing. That's what we mean by recovered." As FOX News has previously reported, a large percentage of firearms recovered in Mexico from the drug cartels are not submitted to U.S. officials for tracing because they lack the necessary markings. In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Those 11,000 firearms were part of the 29,000 firearms Mexican officials recovered at crime scenes. According to the ATF, of the 11,000 submitted to U.S. officials for tracing, 6,000 could be traced somewhere because of the serial numbers or other distinctive markings. Of those 6,000 firearms, 5,114 or 90 percent, were found to have been smuggled from the U.S. The White House stands by the president's use of the word "recovered" in describing the role firearms smuggled from the U.S. play in Mexico's drug war. "We feel good about these numbers and that's why the president uses the word recovered," McDonough said. Just to repeat: recovered doesn't mean the percentage of all firearms confiscated at Mexican crime scenes. It doesn't mean the subset of these firearms traceable to any source. It does mean the percentage of traceable weapons linked to a U.S. source. And, again, that total is 5,114 out of 29,000 -- or 17.6 percent -- in the years 2007 and 2008.

tyusclan | 04-20-2009 06:35 AM
Re: Gun-Bashing - The Liars Won't Quit Yep, they want to use the numbers that fit with their agenda. Seventeen percent doesn't sound near as bad as 90%. Figures don't lie, but liars do figure.

Fatboy | 04-20-2009 07:38 AM
Re: Gun-Bashing - The Liars Won't Quit Speaking of liars, From Survivalblog this AM, watch the video of the Pa Governor in this link: http://blogs.moneycentral.msn.com/to...an-stocks.aspx

Mill Man | 04-20-2009 08:20 PM
Re: Gun-Bashing - The Liars Won't Quit I'm not sure what you guys are talking about. I'm still busy calling gun shops looking for an anti aircraft mg. That and some grenades. Oh, and for the spooks thats a bit of :sarc:

Mantokir | 04-20-2009 10:35 PM
Re: Gun-Bashing - The Liars Won't Quit Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboy (Post 1685707) Speaking of liars, From Survivalblog this AM, watch the video of the Pa Governor in this link: http://blogs.moneycentral.msn.com/to...an-stocks.aspx
They seem to be getting desperate, throwing out any insult/negative they can think of. Difficult to operate and jam easy... WTF kinda rifle is this guy shooting? Even my M-16 didn't jam that often for living in the desert, and I'm sure we all know how much M-16s like sand....

electric-amish | 04-20-2009 10:41 PM
Re: Gun-Bashing - The Liars Won't Quit There is a drum beat that is getting out of sink. The 90% Lie isn't going over as well as planned. Also Conservitives are learning how to use the Interwebs. The Dems had complete domination due to demographic advantages IMHO (YOUNG LIBS KNOW MORE COMPUTEREZE) The Tea Party has made both sides a little nervous IMHO. Neither Side seems like they can get their head around it and use it yet. If it can keep independant there could be some serious good change come from the Tea Parties. E-A

Twisted Avatar | 04-23-2009 07:51 AM
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Shoden | 04-23-2009 09:08 AM
Re: Gun-Bashing - The Liars Won't Quit Quote:
"We feel good about these numbers and that's why the president uses the word recovered," McDonough said.
Wow, I guess as long as you "feel good about those numbers", it's perfectly okay to lie. :thumpdown

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