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TomD | 10-02-2009 12:21 PM
News story on giant success of British gun ban 1 Attachment(s) This is from The Daily Mail, link to story The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. By James Slack Last updated at 12:14 AM on 03rd July 2009 * Comments (-) * Add to My Stories Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed. Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries. The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour. Britain even has a worse violence rate than South Africa Britain has an even worse violence rate than South Africa (file picture) The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence. In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute. The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show: * The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU. * It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain. * The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU. * It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France. But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents. In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677. league of shame The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609. Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour. More... * Hindley on the Moors, a chilling snapshot that closes the book on 45-year search for young victim * Biggs WILL die in jail: Straw overturns parole board's decision to free train robber - because he's never shown remorse 'We're now on our fourth Home Secretary this parliament, and all we are getting is a rehash of old initiatives that didn't work the first time round. More than ever Britain needs a change of direction.' The figures, compiled by the Tories, are considered the most accurate and up-to-date available. But criminologists say crime figures can be affected by many factors, including different criminal justice systems and differences in how crime is reported and measured. New Home Secretary Alan Johnson is to make his first major speech on crime today New Home Secretary Alan Johnson is to make his first major speech on crime today In Britain, an affray is considered a violent crime, while in other countries it will only be logged if a person is physically injured. There are also degrees of violence. While the UK ranks above South Africa for all violent crime, South Africans suffer more than 20,000 murders each year - compared with Britain's 921 in 2007. Experts say there are a number of reasons why violence is soaring in the UK. These include Labour's decision to relax the licensing laws to allow round-the-clock opening, which has led to a rise in the number of serious assaults taking place in the early hours of the morning. But Police Minister David Hanson said: 'These figures are misleading. Levels of police recorded crime statistics from different countries are simply not comparable since they are affected by many factors, for example the recording of violent crime in other countries may not include behaviour that we would categorise as violent crime. 'Violent crime in England and Wales has fallen by almost a half a peak in 1995 but we are not complacent and know there is still work to do. That is why last year we published 'Saving lives. Reducing harm. Protecting the public. An Action Plan for Tackling Violence 2008-11'.' The timing of the Europe-wide violence figures is a blow for Mr Johnson, who will today seek to reassert Labour's law and order credentials. In his first major speech on crime since becoming Home Secretary, Mr Johnson is expected to promise a concerted crack down on antisocial behaviour. He wants to set up a website to allow the public to see what is taking place in their neighbourhood, such as the number of louts who have been served with Asbos. Mr Johnson is also known to support early intervention to stop children going off the rails. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0SnNxHvJC

Twisted Avatar | 10-02-2009 12:42 PM
Re: News story on giant success of British gun ban 1 Attachment(s) Why isnt America on that list???

johndoh | 10-02-2009 12:57 PM
Re: News story on giant success of British gun ban Get's even better... the Brits had been under-counting violent crimes since 1998 Quote:
Violent crime underestimated for 10 years Police forces recorded offences of grievous bodily harm in lower category By Ben Russell, Home Affairs Correspondent Friday, 24 October 2008 Police have been under-recording the most serious violent crimes for up to a decade, the Home Office admitted, as figures revealed an apparent 22 per cent increase in incidents this year. Conservatives said the Government's claims to have cut crime were "fatally undermined" as reports of violent crimes from murders to grievous bodily harm leapt during the year to June, after officials discovered hundreds of incidents had been wrongly recorded by a string of police forces. As many as 13 forces had been recording offences of grievous bodily harm with intent in a lower category, when they should have been included in figures for the most serious offences. . .
Full article here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...rs-971489.html

sirgonzo420 | 10-02-2009 12:58 PM
Re: News story on giant success of British gun ban Rule Britannia! Britannia rule the waves. Britons never, never, never shall be slaves. .

G-khan | 10-02-2009 01:06 PM
Re: News story on giant success of British gun ban Thats what happens when you take their guns away.

Professur | 10-02-2009 01:19 PM
Re: News story on giant success of British gun ban Wow, Canada's doing pretty good too .... with all our wonderful gun restrictions.

Twisted Avatar | 10-02-2009 01:37 PM
Re: News story on giant success of British gun ban Quote:
Originally Posted by G-khan (Post 1951674) Thats what happens when you WILLFULLY ALLOW OTHERS to take your guns away.
Fixxed it for ya :ok: T

ohioarmedneutrality | 10-02-2009 01:51 PM
Re: News story on giant success of British gun ban Gun Ban + Unlimited Immigration + Worthless Criminal Justice System = Britain as most Violent Country in Europe

johndoh | 10-02-2009 02:53 PM
Re: News story on giant success of British gun ban Quote:
Originally Posted by ohioarmedneutrality (Post 1951749) Gun Ban + Unlimited Immigration + Worthless Criminal Justice System = Britain as most Violent Country in Europe
don't forget their sensible :rofl: knife laws "One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory." - 1974 UN speech by Algerian Houari Boumedienne pardon me while i try to fix the embedded vid...

Real Money Now | 10-02-2009 04:47 PM
Re: News story on giant success of British gun ban Britain is also the most racially mixed in Europe.

Haltiat | 10-02-2009 10:48 PM
Re: News story on giant success of British gun ban It's too bad weapons control isn't about logic or we could point to merry old England as a reason to overturn so many counterproductive laws elsewhere.

RossL | 10-02-2009 10:54 PM
Re: News story on giant success of British gun ban The brit media story doesn't have the word "gun" used anywhere in the text. Clearly they don't want to link the failure of the gun ban to the violence issue.

TomD | 10-03-2009 01:17 AM
Re: News story on giant success of British gun ban Quote:
Originally Posted by RossL (Post 1952550) The brit media story doesn't have the word "gun" used anywhere in the text. Clearly they don't want to link the failure of the gun ban to the violence issue.
I don't have the stats with me now but a huge proportion of British burglaries are "hot", meaning the property owner is present at the time of the burglary. The property owner is injured or killed quite often in a hot burglary. I live in the southeastern US, where gun ownership is more than common. Burglars here try very hard to arrive when no one is home.

Goldhedge | 10-03-2009 01:36 AM
Re: News story on giant success of British gun ban I seem to remember Bobbies on bicycles built for two... Britain used to be the safest place. The cops carried billy clubs and saps... Now it's the defenseless people who are the 'saps'.....

Horn | 10-03-2009 01:47 AM
Re: News story on giant success of British gun ban Who moved Canada into Europe when I wasn't looking?

EE_ | 10-03-2009 01:58 AM
Re: News story on giant success of British gun ban I think they should have a good old fashion marshmallow roast http://www.westtown.edu/images/whywesttown/fire1.jpg

Lars Ragnarsson | 10-03-2009 02:01 AM
Re: News story on giant success of British gun ban Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 1952680) I don't have the stats with me now but a huge proportion of British burglaries are "hot", meaning the property owner is present at the time of the burglary. The property owner is injured or killed quite often in a hot burglary. I live in the southeastern US, where gun ownership is more than common. Burglars here try very hard to arrive when no one is home.
One reason they're "hot" over there, and most of Western Europe, is because there's no such thing as castle doctrine. Harm one little hair on the perp's head, and you'll likely face criminal and civil charges. I remember a quote in an article I read while stationed in Germany that said the homeowner must retreat, for his/her own safety of course. As for stopping the person from taking your belongings, they simply say, "That's what insurance is for." The criminals over there know they have more rights than the victim. Even if the British citizens hadn't had their gun rights stripped away, they'd still know they'd go to jail if they used one to protect themselves or their possessions. And if the likes of Chuckie Schumer, Dianne Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, and Ted Kennedy (BIH) had their way, it would be the same here, too.

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