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SilverSalmon | 06-06-2008 11:07 PM
Damn California!!!!! A lot of you guys have helped me figure out my gun preps recently. I was advised to get a FAL or AK. However, I just found out that in California I can't have a real FAL or Real AK 47, unless they are modified ( California Legal). Seems to me, it's better just to get a SKS,Mosin Nagent, M14, or Garand. What do you guys think I should get given the draconian california laws. Especially people from California? What the hell? California sucks and I'n just figuring this out. I need a Battle rifle! Suggestions please!

the toxic avenger | 06-06-2008 11:20 PM
Re: Damn California!!!!! Everyone needs AT LEAST one good SKS. It's a great SHTF rifle for the money and much more economical to keep a good supply of ammo and stripper clips for than ammo and mags for anything else. I say buy two nice sks rifles, 4 cases of 7.62x39, 100 stripper clips, and a couple of the chinese sks stripper clip chest pouches and you're in pretty decent shape. The total for all of that will be less than one M14 with no ammo or spare mags.

Tallships | 06-06-2008 11:34 PM
Re: Damn California!!!!! Make it easy. Move out of commiefornia.

Family Man | 06-06-2008 11:54 PM
Re: Damn California!!!!! You are looking a a military pattern .30 caliber rifle. The SKS idea is OK, it's a reliable shooter and ammo / web gear is reasonable. You can own a M1A here, the SOCOM is real handy, and have magazines ( normal ones, ie. 20 round capacity) sent by friends out of state. Relax, your system will come together. Their are a lot of firearms training schools here. Tacfire in Ventura has a 3 day MIA class. Get some real training.

Bx3 | 06-07-2008 12:09 AM
Re: Damn California!!!!! Get the M1A!

Infidel | 06-07-2008 12:13 AM
Re: Damn California!!!!! saiga is what you want. it comes in 7.62x39, .223 and .308. each for first two under $300, .308 under $400 Buy them all, collect all 3 http://calguns.net is where you need to go for proper california info YouTube - saiga 308
YouTube - saiga 308
http://www.raacfirearms.com/Saiga_option.htm the fist one is 7.62x39 and .223. they used to have this type in .308 too http://www.raacfirearms.com/images/p_saiga.jpg the fist one is 7.62x39 and .223 and .308 http://www.raacfirearms.com/images/p_saiga_option.jpg

SilverCity | 06-07-2008 12:15 AM
Re: Damn California!!!!! Mini-14? Twenty round factory mags are now available to the general...oops you're in Kalifornia? NEVER MIND... Get out now...I did 18 years ago and never looked back. Oh yeah, +1 on Saigas...any or all.

Angra Mania | 06-07-2008 12:16 AM
Re: Damn California!!!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSalmon (Post 1135507) A lot of you guys have helped me figure out my gun preps recently. I was advised to get a FAL or AK. However, I just found out that in California I can't have a real FAL or Real AK 47, unless they are modified ( California Legal). Seems to me, it's better just to get a SKS,Mosin Nagent, M14, or Garand. What do you guys think I should get given the draconian california laws. Especially people from California? What the hell? California sucks and I'n just figuring this out. I need a Battle rifle! Suggestions please!
Didn't you know gun rights aren't even in the californian constitution.

sindgefallen | 06-07-2008 01:34 AM
Re: Damn California!!!!! Get the M1A. Mini-14 is innaccurate. And for the laws just take it day by day. You never get used to it.

LibertyAZ | 06-07-2008 02:25 AM
Re: Damn California!!!!! sks, As long as it's over 50 years old (and not Chinese) it's on the C&R list. No waiting period on C&R rifles in Kalifornistan.

Okami | 06-07-2008 02:27 AM
Re: Damn California!!!!! I 2nd advising you to visit Calguns. Decide what you need and want to do with your rifle and go from there. I also recommend putting away enough mags and ammo and get some good training.

honu5050 | 06-07-2008 11:06 AM
Re: Damn California!!!!! got da terminator as a governor yet ya cant own guns that dont conform to TPTB so called laws.... thats f'in SICK!!!! :smokin:

Big_Rob | 06-07-2008 11:14 AM
Re: Damn California!!!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by honu5050 (Post 1135869) got da terminator as a governor yet ya cant own guns that dont conform to TPTB so called laws.... thats f'in SICK!!!! :smokin:
Yup, pretty sick. They turned him into a Kennedy :confused_ma:

Twisted Avatar | 06-07-2008 11:26 AM
Re: Damn California!!!!! Boy I have alot of stuff to buy.......:banghead: T

SilverSalmon | 06-07-2008 11:31 AM
Re: Damn California!!!!! well, it looks like i'll save for the m1a. thanks you guys are great. in the short run though, i gotta get that sks and mosin nagant just because they're cheap and reliable.

Sapiens | 06-07-2008 11:38 AM
Re: Damn California!!!!! If the shit hits the fan, would you be worried about the regs...? It has come down to prep for self-defense, that includes against domestic tyrants... Protect yourself!

sindgefallen | 06-07-2008 01:15 PM
Re: Damn California!!!!! Quote:
it looks like i'll save for the m1a. thanks you guys are great. in the short run though, i gotta get that sks and mosin nagant just because they're cheap and reliable.
Yeah you are making the right decision. I am also saving for the M1A and have the M91 Mosin Nagant and am very happy with it. I usedto have the SKS but sold it as I got bored with it. Contrary to popular belief there is still a background check and wait for the SKS and the Mosin Nagant because even the laws on the books in CA are conveniently brushed ASIDE by.gov. Good luck finding an FFL in CA who will risk it.

AZLiberty | 06-07-2008 08:33 PM
Re: Damn California!!!!! When I lived in California (occupied territory) I purchased several rifles with no wait. You still have to pay the $14 DROS fee. If it's on the BATF C&R list there is no wait. And yes, typical of California laws, this makes no sense.

sindgefallen | 06-07-2008 10:18 PM
Re: Damn California!!!!! Yeah it used to be easier to follow the law in CA but every year it gets worse. I could not believe how much changed in the 15 months I was away. I remember when SKS was considered illegal in CA and no FFL dealer would touch them. Then there was a letter put out by the DOJ saying they were once again ok to sell and even still some FFL dealers would not touch them anymore. CA sucks. I bought one of those CA legal AR-15 lowers when shoelace something company started selling them and I could only find one dealer that would do the PPTransfer paperwork for it. Some now won't even carry them any more because the DOJ scared the hell out of them with the loose AW ban definition interpretations. DOJ letters were used by some that had them with the weapon at all times to keep the COPS from arresting them. CA sucks.

extremist | 06-07-2008 10:24 PM
Re: Damn California!!!!! Look through Shotgun News for manufacturers who offer special CA-legal versions of their rifles. Even if they don't advertise explicitly, they might be able to put something together if you ask (e.g., bolt the folding stock open or replace the pistol grip).

Lucky225 | 08-27-2008 07:33 PM
Re: Damn California!!!!! to sum it up: Quote:
"People need somebody to watch over them... Ninety-five percent of the people in the world need to be told what to do and how to behave." -- Arnold Schwarzenegger at 44 to US News and World Report in 1990.

mkinla | 08-27-2008 08:03 PM
Re: Damn California!!!!! If the original poster was still here I would have told him that you can build and Imbel, and pretty much anything else, but you must have it legally configured. Oh well....

graspAU | 08-27-2008 08:44 PM
Re: Damn California!!!!! Not familiar with the CA laws. Is there an easy to understand summary somewhere? Is there a secondary market for used guns that are granfathered in before the ban took effect?

graspAU | 08-27-2008 08:51 PM
Re: Damn California!!!!! Wow. Just read this: http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/CASL.pdf "“ASSAULT WEAPONS”, .50 CALIBER BMG RIFLES AND MAGAZINES It is unlawful to offer for sale, give or lend any “assault weapon” or .50 caliber BMG rifle. It is unlawful to possess an “assault weapon” or a .50 caliber BMG rifle unless it is properly registered with the state. The registration period for “assault weapons” and .50 caliber BMG rifles has ended. If an individual has an unregistered” assault weapon” or .50 caliber BMG rifle after the registration period has ended, they must relinquish the firearm to law enforcement. Anyone with a registered “assault weapon” or .50 caliber BMG rifle wishing to legally dispose of the firearm: can sell it to a dealer with an “assault weapons” permit (for such firearms) and .50 caliber BMG rifle permit (for such rifles); or with both type of permits; relinquish it to local law enforcement (after making an appointment); remove the “assault weapon” or .50 BMG caliber rifle from the state or destroy it. Any person inheriting a registered “assault weapon” or .50 caliber BMG rifle has 90 days to render the weapon permanently inoperable, sell to an approved firearms dealer, obtain a permit from the Department of Justice to possess firearms, or move the gun out of state. Pawning “assault weapons” and .50 caliber BMG rifles is not permitted. California law defines “assault weapons” in three ways: • firearms listed on the original Roberti Roos assault weapons law. • any firearm that is in the AK and AR-15 - type series. • by the specific generic characteristics. A further explanation of firearms considered “assault weapons” can be found on the Department of Justice website. A person may lend a registered “assault weapon” or a .50 caliber BMG caliber rifle to another person who is 18 years of age or over if the person to whom the “assault weapon” is lent is not prohibited from possessing a firearm and remains in the presence of the registered possessor, and the “assault weapon” or .50 caliber BMG rifle is possessed at a licensed target range, or at the target range of a public or private club organized for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets, or at an exhibition, display or education project sponsored by a law enforcement agency or a nationally or state recognized firearms entity. Persons moving into California must comply with the provisions of the law before moving. Unless otherwise specified, registered “assault weapons” may only be possessed: • at registrant’s residence, place of business, or other property owned by such registrant, or on property owned by another with permission. • at certain recognized target ranges or shooting clubs. • at certain recognized exhibitions. • while on publicly owned land upon which possession and use of “assault weapons” is specifically permitted by the managing agency. • while transporting the assault weapon between any of the places listed above, or to any licensed gun dealer. It is unlawful for any person who manufactures, imports, or offers for sale, gives, or lends any ammunition magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds (not including .22 tube magazines). Exceptions include: a loan of a lawfully possessed magazine to a person who is not prohibited from possessing firearms or ammunition, if such loan occurs at a place where possession of the magazine is not otherwise prohibited and the person who lends the magazine remains in the accessible vicinity to the person to whom the magazine is loaned; the importation of a magazine by a person who lawfully possessed the magazine in the state prior to January 1, 2000, lawfully took it out of the state and is returning to the state; the sale or purchase of a magazine to or by a person licensed to sell firearms; and the lending or giving of a magazine to a licensed dealer or gunsmith for repair and its return to its owner." So there is no more registration of assault weapons, and if you inherit one you have to make it inoperable of sell it to an approved dealer. Wow, I just can't believe these laws. It makes me sick!

graspAU | 08-27-2008 08:58 PM
Re: Damn California!!!!! More: How is the 2000 assault weapons law (SB 23) affected by the Kasler v. Lockyer decision? The 2000 assault weapons law (SB 23) identified assault weapons by specific characteristics. Those weapons so defined must have been lawfully possessed on or before December 31, 1999 and registered on or before December 31, 2000. Penal Code section 12276, subdivisions (e) and (f), reaffirmed by the Kasler v. Lockyer decision, make AK and AR-15 series weapons unlawful for sale after August 16, 2000, even if their assault weapon characteristics are removed. Persons owning these weapons on this date were required to register them with the DOJ on or before January 23, 2001. top May assault weapons still be registered? The assault weapon registration period has ended. The DOJ is no longer accepting assault weapon registration forms. http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regagunfaqs.php#1 The title of this thread is very appropriate. I think I would have to move. I wonder what we will all do if the CA way of doing things becomes nationwide. I guess it's a good time to buy as many as you can since there has always been a grandfather clause (knock on wood).

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 08-27-2008 09:10 PM
Re: Damn California!!!!! I'm in California, born and raised here. Never needed more than sticks and knives for protection, but I am sensing which way the wind is blowing and I want to acquire some firearms before they become impossible to acquire altogether. I don't need to go getting on a list. At the gun show earlier this month I looked specifically for cash and carry curios. I guess that was a little naive. I found none. I don't mind proving that I'm a responsible gun owner. But I do want to avoid being targeted because I purchased a 75 year old rifle. Am I just being paranoid here? Given the option I wouldn't register my gun with any agency (where's the benefit, where's the need?) but I'm pretty sure I will have to hand over my name and address just to make a purchase. Is this accurate?

mkinla | 08-27-2008 09:21 PM
Re: Damn California!!!!! Let me make this simple. When Kommifornia instigated it's ban, they banned the names on the lower receiver, and other dumb things. If you're in Cali, I'd recommend visiting www.calguns.net, you can learn all you need to know there....:wink:

Silver Shield | 08-27-2008 09:27 PM
Re: Damn California!!!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by Family Man (Post 1135537) You are looking a a military pattern .30 caliber rifle. The SKS idea is OK, it's a reliable shooter and ammo / web gear is reasonable. You can own a M1A here, the SOCOM is real handy, and have magazines ( normal ones, ie. 20 round capacity) sent by friends out of state. Relax, your system will come together. Their are a lot of firearms training schools here. Tacfire in Ventura has a 3 day MIA class. Get some real training.
Most people have quotes from Jefferson, Orwell, or Andrew Jackson... But Family Man has a quote from Silver Shield... You Rock!

The Argent Dragon | 08-28-2008 11:18 AM
Re: Damn California!!!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSalmon (Post 1135507) A lot of you guys have helped me figure out my gun preps recently. I was advised to get a FAL or AK. However, I just found out that in California I can't have a real FAL or Real AK 47, unless they are modified ( California Legal).......
Check into a Fixed-Mag FAL that holds 10-rounds........and buy dozens of stripper clips for easy loading from the top. :wink: I know it's not ideal but it works..........here's a pic of a clip load - sorry, it's not a FAL but it works the same way. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...lipInstd2A.jpg

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