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Elvis | 07-13-2008 06:45 PM
Knife control: Friends don't let friends carry pointy things http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7503845.stm Shock tactics for knife carriers Young people who carry knives will be made to visit hospitals where stabbing victims are treated, in a bid to shock them into changing their behaviour. Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said seeing "gruesome" injuries would be a tougher deterrent than sending all knife carriers in England and Wales to jail. A spate of stabbings was making people "nervous" about going out, she said. The Tories said more knife carriers should go to prison and the Lib Dems called Ms Smith's plans "half-baked". Meet families The home secretary's proposals for England and Wales will be outlined in more detail when the government publishes its youth crime plan on Tuesday. Ms Smith unveiled the plans hours after a man in his 30s was stabbed to death at a pub in Bolton, and a man in his 40s died after being found with knife wounds in Bristol. Another man is in a serious condition in hospital after suffering multiple stab wounds at Scotland's largest music festival, T in the Park, in Balado, Perth and Kinross. And on Thursday, four men were stabbed to death in London and a fifth died after a knife attack in West Bromwich. One of those who died in London was 20-year-old student Yusufu Miiro, from Stratford, who was stabbed in the head and chest in Walthamstow. Mrs Smith's proposals will see young people caught carrying knives being made to go to accident and emergency wards, to see the consequences of stabbings.

Ebie | 07-13-2008 07:53 PM
Re: Knife control: Friends don't let friends carry pointy things If they are fightened, they may want to carry guns...

scholarcoon | 07-13-2008 08:20 PM
Re: Knife control: Friends don't let friends carry pointy things If a kid carries a knife for PROTECTION, how is showing him people who GOT STABBED going to make him feel? Probably like carrying around a f*cking knife is a pretty good f*cking idea.

wallew | 07-13-2008 09:03 PM
Re: Knife control: Friends don't let friends carry pointy things YO, JAMES FRANCISCAN, So, you still saying you got GUNS? BWAHAHAHAHAWHAHA!! Pussie.

AceNZ | 07-13-2008 10:21 PM
Re: Knife control: Friends don't let friends carry pointy things If they outlaw knives, people will start carrying very sharp pens or canes or whatever. If they can't abolish knives in prison, what makes any sane person think they can be abolished anywhere else? The path here is clear, BTW -- it's a slow but steady movement toward policing not just everything you do, but everything you think and everything you are. If there was ever a better definition of hell on Earth, I can't imagine what it would be.

Twisted Avatar | 07-13-2008 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AceNZ (Post 1191109) If they outlaw knives, people will start carrying very sharp pens or canes or whatever. If they can't abolish knives in prison, what makes any sane person think they can be abolished anywhere else? The path here is clear, BTW -- it's a slow but steady movement toward policing not just everything you do, but everything you think and everything you are. If there was ever a better definition of hell on Earth, I can't imagine what it would be.
All of the UK is ONE FRICKEN GIANT PRISON YARD......and now they are cracking down on "shanks" You tolerate this maddeness ......... YOU VALIDATE YOUR OPPRESSORS!! Dummies. T

jamesfrancisco | 07-15-2008 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by wallew (Post 1190992) YO, JAMES FRANCISCAN, So, you still saying you got GUNS? BWAHAHAHAHAWHAHA!! Pussie.
Ahem yes, I am, and I've shown you numerous times that it's completely possible to own a gun legally in the UK. Hey, just look at this list of UK gun clubs to cater for all those people who can't have guns... do you think they just stand at the range and shout "BANG!"? :D:confused_ma: http://www.nra.org.uk/common/asp/lin...site=NRA&cat=4

Ebie | 07-16-2008 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jamesfrancisco (Post 1193163) Ahem yes, I am, and I've shown you numerous times that it's completely possible to own a gun legally in the UK. Hey, just look at this list of UK gun clubs to cater for all those people who can't have guns... do you think they just stand at the range and shout "BANG!"? :D:confused_ma: http://www.nra.org.uk/common/asp/lin...site=NRA&cat=4
Are there less handguns in the UK compared to the USA? If so, why?

jamesfrancisco | 07-17-2008 06:27 PM
Re: Knife control: Friends don't let friends carry pointy things Yep, far less. We don't have the same degree of shooting culture here - even target shooting, .22 airgun plinking, let alone self defense. We never have had, I suppose due to lack of land, or just a different attitude. I grew up in Northern Ireland during the worst of the Troubles, and whereas I could count the number of people in my street who have shotguns on my fingers and toes (although there are only 62 houses on the street, hehe!), a lot of people saw a handgun as a "liability" during the Troubles. People knew you had one, the "wrong" people wanted them for the wrong reasons, so it just attracted attention. We had 2 guns stolen about 15 years ago - both .762 rifles. In cases. And they also took another, identical case - imagine their dissapointment when they opened it to find a bass guitar... :D Now, N. Ireland has a happy, trouble-free gun enthusiast community. The only "crimes" that are committed with legally held firearms of any kind tend to be suicides - either cops shooting themselves due to stress, or farmers eating a 12-bore due to alcoholism and despair. I could argue either way about the gun control thing - less guns, less possible shootings due to lack of guns. More guns, less possible shootings due to people being armed. I was brought up by my father to believe that "Every man should own, and know how to use, a gun" - and in the UK every man still can, provided they are not mad in the head, or a raging drunkard, or anyone else you wouldn't want to let own a gun anyway. Yes, we need to do more paperwork to buy one - but is that a bad thing? I don't know. When I bought my own first gun, the local firearms officer came out, gave me a 5 minute interview about gun safety ("What's a backstop?", "Where should you never point a loaded gun?") :D, and then tried to kick my gun safe off the wall. Once he was happy that he couldn't, certificate granted and gun bought. After that, they are fine with me buying more guns. It's only an issue if you make it one - Gun control, as in not allowing joe 6-pack to wander in off the street, buy a cheap gun for $50 and go and shoot his neighbour, as opposed to a gun ban, might not be the worst thing in the world. I enjoy shooting, whether it be clay pigeons, pheasants, deer, or paper targets. It's a hobby, and one that I enjoy and spend far too much money on. :D

Twisted Avatar | 07-17-2008 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jamesfrancisco (Post 1197714) Yep, far less. We don't have the same degree of shooting culture here - even target shooting, .22 airgun plinking, let alone self defense. We never have had, I suppose due to lack of land, or just a different attitude. I grew up in Northern Ireland during the worst of the Troubles, and whereas I could count the number of people in my street who have shotguns on my fingers and toes (although there are only 62 houses on the street, hehe!), a lot of people saw a handgun as a "liability" during the Troubles. People knew you had one, the "wrong" people wanted them for the wrong reasons, so it just attracted attention. We had 2 guns stolen about 15 years ago - both .762 rifles. In cases. And they also took another, identical case - imagine their dissapointment when they opened it to find a bass guitar... :D Now, N. Ireland has a happy, trouble-free gun enthusiast community. The only "crimes" that are committed with legally held firearms of any kind tend to be suicides - either cops shooting themselves due to stress, or farmers eating a 12-bore due to alcoholism and despair. I could argue either way about the gun control thing - less guns, less possible shootings due to lack of guns. More guns, less possible shootings due to people being armed. I was brought up by my father to believe that "Every man should own, and know how to use, a gun" - and in the UK every man still can, provided they are not mad in the head, or a raging drunkard, or anyone else you wouldn't want to let own a gun anyway. Yes, we need to do more paperwork to buy one - but is that a bad thing? I don't know. When I bought my own first gun, the local firearms officer came out, gave me a 5 minute interview about gun safety ("What's a backstop?", "Where should you never point a loaded gun?") :D, and then tried to kick my gun safe off the wall. Once he was happy that he couldn't, certificate granted and gun bought. After that, they are fine with me buying more guns. It's only an issue if you make it one - Gun control, as in not allowing joe 6-pack to wander in off the street, buy a cheap gun for $50 and go and shoot his neighbour, as opposed to a gun ban, might not be the worst thing in the world. I enjoy shooting, whether it be clay pigeons, pheasants, deer, or paper targets. It's a hobby, and one that I enjoy and spend far too much money on. :D
I respect your opinion but I must disagree....... Gun control in Europe at NO POINT IN TIME was ever about protecting John and Jane public. from the hooligans and terrorists. IT WAS/IS ABOUT SUPPRESSING YOUR FREEDOM TO PROTECT YOURSELF AND YOUR LOVED ONES FROM THEM. If Gubbermint was concerned about your safety IT WOULD RELAX GUN LAWS. so every person is well armed..... How many crimes would take place if the perp knew the person they are about to rob is ready willing and able to light there @$$ up like a christmas tree? Crime would be a thing we would have to look up in a dictionary. T

honu5050 | 07-17-2008 09:12 PM
Re: Knife control: Friends don't let friends carry pointy things the biggest thieves have the biggest locks....just as the biggest crooks have the most bodyguards.

jrog100 | 07-18-2008 09:06 AM
Re: Knife control: Friends don't let friends carry pointy things How utterly stupid!

jamesfrancisco | 07-18-2008 03:40 PM
Re: Knife control: Friends don't let friends carry pointy things TA, I understand your point of view completely, and with complete respect - you disagree, unlike Wallew who simply isn't man enough to admit that he was wrong - but you have pretty little gun control in the US from what I gather. Yet you have a huge rate of gun crime? Here, we have, as I said, gun control, not a gun ban as Wallew likes to trumpet. If someone was to invade my house and come at me with a knife, I can shoot him until he was very dead, legally. If he came at me with a bat and I believed he was going to kill me, I could still shoot him dead. If he came to rob my house unarmed and I shot him, I'd be in a whole world of shit - but if he is unarmed then I have a bat. The whole "Tony the farmer" case was taken way too far - he was a drunk hermit, held illegal guns, and shot the gypsy bastards in the back as they were running away before they had even stolen anything. He lived in what was effectively a tramp's nest, he shat in his own bedroom! I'm all for shooting Gypos, whether it be in the front, back, face, or side, but the guy was and still is seriously mentally challenged. Also, what are you talking about gun control in Europe from Jane, John, Gypo, or whatever? Have you been to Europe? It's not just one big happy country, you know? All different countries, all different laws. It's like me counting Canada as "The USA" - you are both part of North America, but very different countries...

SLV>GLD | 07-18-2008 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1197800) How many crimes would take place if the perp knew the person they are about to rob is ready willing and able to light there @$$ up like a christmas tree? Crime would be a thing we would have to look up in a dictionary.
I respectfully disagree. I'm not saying that you are dead wrong but that you are just as uncertain as the rest of us. Let me clarify before I proceed that I am 100% gun-nut and wish everyone was open carrying everywhere. Take a look back in our American history during the period of Westward Expansion and you will note that practically all men were armed, generally in public, and crime was still at the forefront of the daily news. While I advocate arming all citizens I do not delude myself that doing so will offer any great deterrent to crime. The guns are just equalizers. I do think that crime would go down overall but there would be no need for a dictionary.

jamesfrancisco | 07-18-2008 04:00 PM
Re: Knife control: Friends don't let friends carry pointy things Actually TA - maybe I have misinterpreted what you were saying, or the other way round. I wasn't originally saying about gun control, more about culture. There is a huge shooting culture in the US, which I think is great, and have been over there a fair few times. I'm not saying it is wrong, or bad - I mean, pig's feet are regarded as a delicacy in Ireland! It's just a different culture - you might like lobster, I won't eat anything that lives in a shell. I just don't like it. Different countries, different people, different values, different lives. If we were all the same then life would be boring...

SLV>GLD | 07-18-2008 04:01 PM
Re: Knife control: Friends don't let friends carry pointy things Pig anything is all the rage in the South. There ain't no part of a pig that goes to waste.

jamesfrancisco | 07-19-2008 12:20 AM
Re: Knife control: Friends don't let friends carry pointy things Just the same as in Southern Ireland then - they eat everything but the snort. :D

jamesfrancisco | 07-19-2008 12:28 AM
Re: Knife control: Friends don't let friends carry pointy things And I don't mean snout - they eat that too. "Nothing is wasted when we shoot a pig", as a farmer here once said to me. Liver, lungs, they get made into an Irish haggis. The blood - well, look up "black pudding" - I don't really like the idea particularly as I've seen it being made - but by god, it tastes fantastic and is LOADED with good stuff.

jamesfrancisco | 07-19-2008 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1199158) Pig anything is all the rage in the South. There ain't no part of a pig that goes to waste.
Actually, there is one thing that no-one over here would touch from a pig - chitlins? I have probably spelt it wrong, but it's slices of pig intestines battered and fried. I think.:D I would eat that in a heartbeat, but if you gave me an oyster I'd have to refuse. Things that live in shells do not work with my head.

Twisted Avatar | 07-19-2008 07:44 AM
Re: Knife control: Friends don't let friends carry pointy things Well dam .......looks like we about to have international fricisee!! :s9: T

Joejeweler | 07-19-2008 07:58 AM
Re: Knife control: Friends don't let friends carry pointy things Umm,......YES! And why?...... Because it's a MUCH smaller country!!!:wink: Note:....should have asked the question as a percent of the population, along with the tighter regulations for even shotgun possession,.....let alone handguns. I was born there as a child of US citizens abroad,.......got out just in time at 6 months old,....... .....so i didn't pick up that ACCENT! :no_ma: Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebie (Post 1196445) Are there less handguns in the UK compared to the USA? If so, why?

jersey devl | 07-19-2008 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jamesfrancisco (Post 1199870) Actually, there is one thing that no-one over here would touch from a pig - chitlins? I have probably spelt it wrong, but it's slices of pig intestines battered and fried. I think.:D I would eat that in a heartbeat, but if you gave me an oyster I'd have to refuse. Things that live in shells do not work with my head.
Its spelled chiterlings but they call 'em chitlins...and my friend I would eat a pile of my own chit before I ever ate those things again...da brothas all rage about them so they brought me in some after thanksgiving...1x was enough...I do love black pudding tho mmmmmmmmm!!!

jamesfrancisco | 07-19-2008 11:05 AM
Re: Knife control: Friends don't let friends carry pointy things Black pudding and haggis are like the devil's own food, they are SO tasty but people won't try them. I took haggis by mistake when I was drunk, in a Dundee chippie - it was fantastic, and I've never looked back! Likewise, I didn't touch black pudding until I was about 20, at a VW festival, and the only sustenance available were black pudding and beer. I took both, and again have never looked back. But liver? Kidneys? No way...

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