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Justabear | 02-13-2009 06:55 PM
H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? As I understood him, Representative Itse (N.H.) said on Glenn Beck tonight that HR 45 was rolled into the stimulus package. I can't believe this is true but it is a MASSIVE bill. H.R. 45 is of course the Blair/Holt gun law that recently surfaced. Apologies in advance if there is no truth to this but I saw the interview myself.

AOW | 02-13-2009 07:19 PM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? You've got me scared - I hope you heard wrong!

Justabear | 02-13-2009 07:29 PM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? There is a 5 page thread over on ARFCOM General Discussion section. The concensus seems to be Rep Itse did say it and it is not in the bill. I downloaded and searched the latest version of the bill, could not find any language (firearm, AR-15, etc) using the search function.

sluggo | 02-13-2009 08:04 PM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? I read that the final bill was over a thousand pages long, some of it written by hand. If it IS in there, we will find out soon.

mick silver | 02-13-2009 08:06 PM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? he did say some thing about a gun bill an that was it

90%RealMoney | 02-13-2009 08:09 PM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? With the Dems in full power now, this shit is going to be happening on a weekly basis. Before you know it, everything they have wanted to ban, or bill to pass, they will have done during this short period of time. I just posted a thread on how California wants to ban lead bullets, in the General Discussion area.

Abouthadit | 02-13-2009 08:19 PM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? From CCRKBA: Dem's Use "Stimulus" as Cover for More Gun Control Dear Concerned Citizen, The liberals are at it again. In a new bill introduced the first day of the present session of Congress, and with zero coverage from the MSM, H.R. 45 (Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009) targets all gun owners in the U.S.A. While the media the world and everyone else is focused on the "phony plan" to spend tax dollars legislation is sneeking through the House and Senate for more gun control. This nefarious bill seeks to strip us all of our Constitutional Rights to possess and bear firearms of any distinction. It requires, within the first two years, that all new guns be registered. The bill goes retroactive after two years. Meaning that two years after the passage of the bill, ALL FIREARMS in a citizen's possession must be registered, not just those purchased after the bill passes, and this apparently applies to antique firearms as well. Select Here to Reject Gun Bans and Fax to all 100 Senators and all 435 House Representatives http://gunalertsupdates.com/080E021A...54B410E08.aspx

mick silver | 02-13-2009 08:26 PM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? how come the NRA he saying nothing about this crap

platinumdude | 02-13-2009 08:28 PM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver (Post 1569008) how come the NRA he saying nothing about this crap
Because nobody has fully read the bill.

sluggo | 02-13-2009 09:04 PM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver (Post 1569008) how come the NRA he saying nothing about this crap
I wouldn't count on the NRA to oppose this, given their history.

platinumdude | 02-13-2009 11:51 PM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? Quote:
Originally Posted by TechGuy (Post 1569062) Looks like this one is dead in the water. Lets hope it stays that way. It is H.R. 45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009. This bill was introduced in the 111th Congress by U. S. Rep. Bobby Rush (D IL) on Jan. 6, 2009. Failing to attract any co sponsors, it was referred for consideration to the House Committee on the Judiciary, where it now rests awaiting further action. Read About It: ESPN Posted: 2/12/2009 9:42:46 AM http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=12117
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...11search.html| ALL ACTIONS: 1/6/2009: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. 2/9/2009: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.

Posse Comitatus | 02-13-2009 11:53 PM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? Rumors and the Economic Stimulus Bill Friday, February 13, 2009 We have been hearing many rumors, and receiving many inquiries, about "buried" provisions in the federal economic stimulus bill that would negatively affect our Second Amendment rights. People have claimed the bill would designate interstate highways as national parks, or impose ammunition encoding and new ammunition taxes. Fortunately, and contrary to what you may have heard, there are no provisions in this bill prohibiting firearms or ammunition anywhere, or for anyone. The only reference in the bill to firearms is a provision authorizing funds for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' (BATFE) "Project Gunrunner," which is a program that enforces existing laws to reduce smuggling of firearms from the United States to Mexico. This program imposes no new restrictions on gun owners, and if it did, we can assure you we would take swift action. Needless to say, NRA, as a single-issue organization, takes no position on the economic stimulus legislation as a whole. For more information and to view the legislation yourself, you can visit http://www.readthestimulus.org/. The site features a convenient search function and covers every version of the legislation. http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4430

moreair | 02-14-2009 01:15 AM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? [quote=Posse Comitatus;1569289]Rumors and the Economic Stimulus Bill Friday, February 13, 2009 We have been hearing many rumors, and receiving many inquiries, about "buried" provisions in the federal economic stimulus bill that would negatively affect our Second Amendment rights. People have claimed the bill would designate interstate highways as national parks, or impose ammunition encoding and new ammunition taxes. Fortunately, and contrary to what you may have heard, there are no provisions in this bill prohibiting firearms or ammunition anywhere, or for anyone. The only reference in the bill to firearms is a provision authorizing funds for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' (BATFE) "Project Gunrunner," which is a program that enforces existing laws to reduce smuggling of firearms from the United States to Mexico. This program imposes no new restrictions on gun owners, and if it did, we can assure you we would take swift action. Needless to say, NRA, as a single-issue organization, takes no position on the economic stimulus legislation as a whole. For more information and to view the legislation yourself, you can visit http://www.readthestimulus.org/. The site features a convenient search function and covers every version of the legislation. [url]http://www.nraila.org/Legislation I hope to God you are right. I just spent the last ten minutes taking about 5 years off of my life. My face is blood red and now have a head ach. WTF are we to do if this is registration. :36_1_28::favorites21::s15::bawling::s10

latitude22 | 02-14-2009 01:23 AM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? Quote:
Originally Posted by moreair (Post 1569384) WTF are we to do if this is registration. :36_1_28::favorites21::s15::bawling::s10
Options are: 1) Register Your Guns 2) Give your guns up 3) Not register your guns and risk imprisonment 4) Leave 5) Take a stand and fight to keep your rights

moreair | 02-14-2009 01:44 AM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? Is there not an option to get Old America back?

silverblood | 02-14-2009 01:47 AM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? Quote:
Originally Posted by moreair (Post 1569414) Is there not an option to get Old America back?
Yeah, it's option 5 in latitude22's post. Quote:
Originally Posted by latitude22 (Post 1569395) Options are: 1) Register Your Guns 2) Give your guns up 3) Not register your guns and risk imprisonment 4) Leave 5) Take a stand and fight to keep your rights

moreair | 02-14-2009 01:52 AM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? I am going to bed and when I wake up in the morning this night mare will be over. Right?:4_8_4v:

meatman | 02-14-2009 09:53 AM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? HR 45 will never pass a lot of dems against the bill asking way to much from the states now other gun bills will be passed but HR 45 will not be.

Twisted Avatar | 02-14-2009 10:02 AM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? Thomas Jefferson:"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

CyberGold | 02-14-2009 12:40 PM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? Quote:
Originally Posted by moreair (Post 1569424) I am going to bed and when I wake up in the morning this night mare will be over. Right?:4_8_4v:
No, you will just be awake again. Nothing will have changed.

Twisted Avatar | 02-14-2009 01:28 PM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberGold (Post 1569965) No, you will just be awake again. Nothing will have changed.
Yes it will . It will have gone from bad ..........to worse.:36_1_28: T

Eulenspiegel | 02-14-2009 01:50 PM
Re: H.R. 45 in Stimulus Bill? Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver (Post 1569008) how come the NRA he saying nothing about this crap
Crow is delicious, ain't it?

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