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buff01 | 11-13-2008 11:45 PM
NRA vs. GOA? What is the GIM take on which gun-related organization is better, National Rifle Association, or Gun Owners of America? Please include an explanation with your vote. Links to further info are beneficial as well.

Goldfinger | 11-14-2008 12:24 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? GOA doesn't compromise. I'm afraid I just can not see the merit in supporting an organization (NRA) that seems more than willing to allow our rights to slowly be whittled away.

SilverCity | 11-14-2008 12:28 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Both. I join the NRA because it is a requirement if you want to belong to local private gun clubs. I recently listened to Larry Pratt on TruNews with Rick Wiles. Larry was encouraging patriots to organize in their local towns and neighborhoods, not just bury their guns and sit back waiting for something to happen.

StrawMan=Corporation | 11-14-2008 12:47 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Correct as NRA gave away Machine Guns to get Milsurps. LOL Not a good trade IMO. Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldfinger (Post 1415259) GOA doesn't compromise. I'm afraid I just can not see the merit in supporting an organization (NRA) that seems more than willing to allow our rights to slowly be whittled away.

Twisted Avatar | 11-14-2008 06:49 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Neither....... One has long been co opted by liberal hacks and it is there job to make the anti gun legislation palpatable for the membership (have you seen NRA headquaters near(FBI) Quantaco Virgina?) GOA is too small and if you DONT play ball with the big boys you WONT even get a seat at the table. GOA is good for getting out information about canidates and voting records and maybe able to infulence local politcal races but on the national level They fall short .And its not really there fault but the bottom line is. Rules about the ownership of guns will not be setteled by papers and talking it will be setteled by those who have them. Period end of story. T

eyeofliberty | 11-14-2008 08:25 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? http://www.nrawol.net/

Silver Wolf | 11-14-2008 08:32 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? I will not join a organization that compromises with the government about gun rights.

JJ_ | 11-14-2008 08:53 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 1415567) http://www.nrawol.net/
nice.... Good link - thanks for that. GOA- no compromise.

Iptuous | 11-14-2008 10:19 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? The only one i give money to is GOA....

Twisted Avatar | 11-14-2008 12:35 PM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by J in AZ (Post 1415712) Linked to from the www.nrawol.net website: NRA board member Joaquin Jackson, the enemy with-in, says no so called assault weapons for civilians and all weapons to be limited to 5rd Capacity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSGySNLyACE
THANK YOU!!!! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT......THESE PRICKS ARE THE MIDDLE MEN THAT ASSIST THE STATE IN MAKING SURE YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO DEFEND YOURSELF WITH. 5 ROUNDS??? WTF?? EVEN BACKWARD @$$ NEW JERSEY GIVES ME 15!! DO YOU NOW SEE WHAT YOUR DUES MONEY SUPPORTS?? SLOPPY @$$ SELLOUTS LIKE THIS DIPCHIT........ BOTTOM LINE : DONT GIVE MONEY TO THE NRA!!!! YOU ARE GIVING AID TO THE ENEMY!!!! T

StrawMan=Corporation | 11-14-2008 12:48 PM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Who the F does this Sack of shit think he is to regulate our 2nd Amendment rights. This guy is just one example of the psychotic mentality of the supposed organisation that protects our gun rights. He talks about the 2nd and then speaks to regulate our rights. What a GD hypocrite. Quote:
Originally Posted by J in AZ (Post 1415712) Linked to from the www.nrawol.net website: NRA board member Joaquin Jackson, the enemy with-in, says no so called assault weapons for civilians and all weapons to be limited to 5rd Capacity

eyeofliberty | 11-14-2008 01:35 PM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1415984) *oh and you forgot JPFO. ;-)
Good group. Of course the haters will tell you they're working both sides. http://jpfo.org/ Good chart from there:

Brent | 11-14-2008 01:35 PM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? A picture is worth a thousand words, http://farm1.static.flickr.com/164/4...g?v=1175106340 NRA headquarters.

Silver Wolf | 11-14-2008 03:56 PM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 1416045) Good group. Of course the haters will tell you they're working both sides. http://jpfo.org/
Yes, because anyone who has a different opinion is a "hater"? I think you're a smart guy eol, but you can be so hardheaded at times. And just for the record, I don't believe the jpfo for one second.

eyeofliberty | 11-14-2008 05:01 PM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Wolf (Post 1416341) Yes, because anyone who has a different opinion is a "hater"? I think you're a smart guy eol, but you can be so hardheaded at times. And just for the record, I don't believe the jpfo for one second.
No, because anyone that lumps EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of a particular group into the "evil" column is a hater. Hardheaded? Pot, kettle, etc. Show me FACTUAL EVIDENCE that JPFO is a fifth column group, and I'll check it out. :dontknow:

hoarder | 11-14-2008 05:09 PM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 1416450) No, because anyone that lumps EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of a particular group into the "evil" column is a hater. Hardheaded? Pot, kettle, etc. Show me FACTUAL EVIDENCE that JPFO is a fifth column group, and I'll check it out. :dontknow:
Gun control is basically a Jewish endeavor. Look at all the leading gun control politicians; Schumer, Waxman, Lautenberg, Feinstein, Cellar etc. JPFO does little of nothing to point this out, all they do is send the message "We are Jews and we oppose gun control" so the the masses can't see who is really behind it. Look at Hollywood and mass media.

eyeofliberty | 11-14-2008 05:23 PM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 1416465) Gun control is basically a Jewish endeavor. Look at all the leading gun control politicians; Schumer, Waxman, Lautenberg, Feinstein, Cellar etc.
Agreed. Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 1416465) JPFO does little of nothing to point this out, all they do is send the message "We are Jews and we oppose gun control" so the the masses can't see who is really behind it.
Care to do a little more research? http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/jewsandguncontrol.htm http://jpfo.org/alerts/alert20010903.htm

Dr. Doom | 11-14-2008 06:05 PM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? NRA board member Joaquin Jackson IS AN ASS THE 2A IS NOT ABOUT HUNTING :36_1_30:

Prometheus | 11-14-2008 07:15 PM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? NRgAy. No way. More info here as well nra exposed

eat_beef | 11-15-2008 09:44 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Whoa, drew the Hoarder out of retirement! Good to hear from you, hope all is well.

Eulenspiegel | 11-16-2008 09:47 PM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Can ANY supporter of the GOA name ONE thing they have done to improve the rights on gun owners?

Eulenspiegel | 11-16-2008 11:39 PM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by TechGuy (Post 1419632) From wikipedia: In 2004, GOA spent over $1.75 million lobbying the U.S. Congress. Between 1998-2004, GOA spent over $18 million lobbying Congress.[5] GOA's Federal Political Action Committee is "Gun Owners of America Inc. Political Victory Fund" (C00278101)
OK, they spent money. Anything else? If you are anti-NRA, at least go for the Second Amendment Foundation - they have a long list of achievements on the legal front.

Eulenspiegel | 11-17-2008 12:37 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1419714) Why don't you rail off the accomplishments of the NRA lately?
Sued Morton Grove, IL and got them to get rid of their handgun ban. Suing to overturn the Chicago and San Francisco gun bans. Suing to allow non-citizens to own guns in Washington State. Riled up the Washingtonians and forced the State EPA to remove a recommendation to ban lead ammunition.

Eulenspiegel | 11-17-2008 01:33 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1419769) Well knock me down with a feather. How much money did they spend? How much did they take in?
It's your turn, now. What did the GOA do with all that money?

Eulenspiegel | 11-17-2008 02:37 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1419784) TechGuy already listed what they were doing with the money.
No, he didn't. So the GOA dues go to hire a few lobbyists who have done... what? Anything? How is this an accomplishment? You accuse NRA members of just paying for LaPierre's salary... but that is even more true of the GOA. Because while the NRA is making actual progress in helping the rights of gun owners (that list was just recent accomplishments), not to mention gun safety programs, "Refuse to be a victim", scholarships, etc., the GOA pays $$ to their board and whomever their lobbyists are, and call the NRA sell-outs. Because, as far as I've been able to tell for my many years of being a gun owner, that is all they do. Unless you can point me to something concrete that the self-proclaimed "second largest" gun owners group has done...

107.8682 | 11-17-2008 02:56 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? NRA = Placebo GOA = Medicine (full-strength, active ingredients)

107.8682 | 11-17-2008 02:58 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1415984) *oh and you forgot JPFO. ;-)
What about JPFO? JPFO exists solely for one purpose, and it's not defense of the Second Amendment.

flying | 11-17-2008 02:59 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? I dont have a horse in this race but we need to be NRA to use the range here. I did receive a letter recently & wanted to post it here. I am not saying it is right or wrong but I was surprised by the numbers & agree to some extent. It would be much better for all of us if there was a better organization of gun owners. Here is the email in part.............................................. I am hoping that this does not last long because it is outright silly of the dealers and firearm buyers to hoard the items this quick; and inauguration is in January 20 2009; people could have taken a tiny little bit more time in thinking it through and not drum up the frenzy that has all but been inevitable. And if everyone (especially dealers; of which they continue to fail to do) only did what I have been talking up for the longest time - join the NRA regardless of thoughts, stigmas or excuses - we would never have to worry. There are well over 80 million gun owners and still only 4 million NRA members. That is the poorest show of ownership and commitment; the saddest example of how complacency continues to allow anti-gun polititians to pick away at legitimate firearms ownership, and it will continue that path until we become like Australia, Canada or England. The simplest, almost silent-yet-speaks-stronger method is to have the numbers in the only organization taken seriously by such anti-gun individuals, and there would be no worries of "are they going to enact another <ridiculous, ineffective, stupid, etc> firearms ban". There is no reason why we should not have a minimum of 50% - half of the firearms owners - be NRA. Imagine what 40 million does merely as a number recognized by those public elected officials. Instead, we have the laughable 4 million. And now we have this stressful presidential outcome. Can't believe how many people; firearms owning people - voted for the man that has an outstanding history and platform of "guns need to be limited or outright banned". He is/was not just 'a charismatic person'; he, just like the Clintons, have a history of quotable int entions to ban firearms whether it be incrementaly or in major steps. I am not even pleased with any of the presidential situations; when will individuals out there realize that we all need to be the strength in the people; not rely on a presidential elect? We now have to search high and low, wait endlessly on backorders, for such mainstay items like AR-15 lowers, rifles, etc. The same crap happened domestically in 1994 and 2000.

107.8682 | 11-17-2008 03:10 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 1416045) Good group. Of course the haters will tell you they're working both sides. http://jpfo.org/ Good chart from there:
As can be expected from JPFO, that chart is DAMNED LIES in regards to Germany. "You know who" actually reduced firearms restrictions inherited from the Weimar Republic. "Ban on possession"? What a bunch of bullshit. A quick glance at popular magazines from 1933-1945 in Germany showed firearms advertisements aimed at civilians in most issues. The JPFO exists only for one reason: a vain attempt to deflect the perception that "Jews in government = gun control." Emanuel Cellar Howard Metzenbaum Herbert Kohl Chuck Schumer Arlen Specter Dianne Feinstein Frank Lautenberg Barbara Boxer Abraham Levin I don't need to go on, right? If JPFO "leadership" were sincere, they could simply participate in a legitimate gun-rights organization, and, STOP LYING about the history of gun control. The whitewash of the (largely Jewish) Soviet Union is as expected..."severe penalties"? Yeah, the DEATH penalty, for unauthorized possession. Pretty severe I'd say...

eyeofliberty | 11-17-2008 08:23 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by 107.8682 (Post 1419806) A quick glance at popular magazines from 1933-1945 in Germany showed firearms advertisements aimed at civilians in most issues. The JPFO exists only for one reason: a vain attempt to deflect the perception that "Jews in government = gun control." Emanuel Cellar Howard Metzenbaum Herbert Kohl Chuck Schumer Arlen Specter Dianne Feinstein Frank Lautenberg Barbara Boxer Abraham Levin
"A quick glance at popular magazines from 1933-1945 in Germany showed firearms advertisements aimed at civilians in most issues." Wow, that's cool that you have all those popular German magazines from 1933-1945 at your disposal. :wink: You didn't bother going here, did you?: http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/jewsandguncontrol.htm http://jpfo.org/alerts/alert20010903.htm

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107.8682 | 11-17-2008 11:53 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 1419974) You didn't bother going here, did you?: http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/jewsandguncontrol.htm http://jpfo.org/alerts/alert20010903.htm
How curious that a single Jew is having to do that...fighting against the powerful perception that Jewish "leaders" want to impose gun control on the Goyim (and I say it that way because hypocrites like Feinstein have CCWs). Why does the perception exist? "Anti-Semitism"? OR FACTS?

cugir321 | 11-18-2008 12:21 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? I'm flip side of you..Because of the GOA we don't have a shot of putting down the AWB if it comes up. With McCain we had a 50-50 chance. They chose to be all or nothing and now we have a big problem. We'll probably end up with an anti gun-supreme court and we have a democrat congress. Hopefully it's not nothing. I will say one thing...Screw Ron Paul! He gave up all hope for the second amendment to prove a point and he knows the second amendment is the corner stone of the Bill of Rights. Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldfinger (Post 1415259) GOA doesn't compromise. I'm afraid I just can not see the merit in supporting an organization (NRA) that seems more than willing to allow our rights to slowly be whittled away.

Twisted Avatar | 11-19-2008 03:06 PM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by flying (Post 1419804) I dont have a horse in this race but we need to be NRA to use the range here. I did receive a letter recently & wanted to post it here. I am not saying it is right or wrong but I was surprised by the numbers & agree to some extent. It would be much better for all of us if there was a better organization of gun owners. Here is the email in part.............................................. I am hoping that this does not last long because it is outright silly of the dealers and firearm buyers to hoard the items this quick; and inauguration is in January 20 2009; people could have taken a tiny little bit more time in thinking it through and not drum up the frenzy that has all but been inevitable. And if everyone (especially dealers; of which they continue to fail to do) only did what I have been talking up for the longest time - join the NRA regardless of thoughts, stigmas or excuses - we would never have to worry. There are well over 80 million gun owners and still only 4 million NRA members. That is the poorest show of ownership and commitment; the saddest example of how complacency continues to allow anti-gun polititians to pick away at legitimate firearms ownership, and it will continue that path until we become like Australia, Canada or England. The simplest, almost silent-yet-speaks-stronger method is to have the numbers in the only organization taken seriously by such anti-gun individuals, and there would be no worries of "are they going to enact another <ridiculous, ineffective, stupid, etc> firearms ban". There is no reason why we should not have a minimum of 50% - half of the firearms owners - be NRA. Imagine what 40 million does merely as a number recognized by those public elected officials. Instead, we have the laughable 4 million. And now we have this stressful presidential outcome. Can't believe how many people; firearms owning people - voted for the man that has an outstanding history and platform of "guns need to be limited or outright banned". He is/was not just 'a charismatic person'; he, just like the Clintons, have a history of quotable int entions to ban firearms whether it be incrementaly or in major steps. I am not even pleased with any of the presidential situations; when will individuals out there realize that we all need to be the strength in the people; not rely on a presidential elect? We now have to search high and low, wait endlessly on backorders, for such mainstay items like AR-15 lowers, rifles, etc. The same crap happened domestically in 1994 and 2000.
This guy is quite deluded if he thinks a 40 Million Memebership NRA is gooing to stop AWBII.....from coming to be. It is slowy seeping into the fogged brain of many that the only person that is going to protect your right to own whatever you want Is the one whos is holding the cold blued steel. Nobody will protect you.......BUT YOU. Laws of the Aristocracy be dammed. T

flying | 11-19-2008 07:23 PM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1424546) This guy is quite deluded if he thinks a 40 Million Memebership NRA is gooing to stop AWBII.....from coming to be. It is slowy seeping into the fogged brain of many that the only person that is going to protect your right to own whatever you want Is the one whos is holding the cold blued steel. Nobody will protect you.......BUT YOU. Laws of the Aristocracy be dammed. T
We will never know if 40 million or 80 million would make a difference. Because the majority as the stats show would rather bury their stash in the deluded dream that someday the insurrection will come. Then what? Many like to think romantically of being a robin hood & holding off the ATF or DEA or govt but its not going to happen. Ask Koresh & Weaver All the like minded folks stood at the gate or down the road from that action & shot what at the govt agents? Just a bunch of remarks thats all. None ran in to help Weaver or Koresh. Sorry I dont mean to sound preachy but I am old enough to know numbers make the difference in any real world situation. Small pockets of resistance will be made out by the government & media to be just another whacked out gun nut that is abusing kids or something along those lines. They spin the truth to fit their agenda as always

Twisted Avatar | 11-24-2008 08:32 AM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by flying (Post 1425122) We will never know if 40 million or 80 million would make a difference. Because the majority as the stats show would rather bury their stash in the deluded dream that someday the insurrection will come. Then what? Many like to think romantically of being a robin hood & holding off the ATF or DEA or govt but its not going to happen. Ask Koresh & Weaver All the like minded folks stood at the gate or down the road from that action & shot what at the govt agents? Just a bunch of remarks thats all. None ran in to help Weaver or Koresh. Sorry I dont mean to sound preachy but I am old enough to know numbers make the difference in any real world situation. Small pockets of resistance will be made out by the government & media to be just another whacked out gun nut that is abusing kids or something along those lines.. They spin the truth to fit their agenda as always
I can not disagree with your thesis: Most WILL stay on the side lines. A good many WILL comply when the order to disarm is given. But something must be said for those that do not and more importantly those who understand(I feel) we have reached END POINT. What they have in store.......... The America that we grew up with and live intoday will be GONE FOREVER. My feeling is with that hanging in the balance (Life its very self) Something MUST come to aid to those that resist tyranny. Something will give the small pockets of resistance a upper hand. At least thats what Im hoping for. T

flying | 11-24-2008 01:21 PM
Re: NRA vs. GOA? Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1432216) I can not disagree with your thesis: Most WILL stay on the side lines. A good many WILL comply when the order to disarm is given. But something must be said for those that do not and more importantly those who understand(I feel) we have reached END POINT. What they have in store.......... The America that we grew up with and live intoday will be GONE FOREVER. My feeling is with that hanging in the balance (Life its very self) Something MUST come to aid to those that resist tyranny. Something will give the small pockets of resistance a upper hand. At least thats what Im hoping for. T
I totally understand where your coming from. I guess my main hope is that it does not get there although it sure looks like its heading that way. As for the America we grew up in ....of course change is inevitable ....but it is still up to us to keep America The scenario you mention is the one I do not want because it is a lost cause to me. Yes heroic in some ways but why should small pockets go down? If there is any way to stand strong together. If 80 million said something they would be heard. Yes perhaps it is to late & a guerrilla type movement will be the outcome but hopefully not. Then again our forefathers were probably nothing more than a guerrilla movement in their time too. Good Luck to us all.

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