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mamboni | 08-06-2009 11:10 AM
New Gun Law Alert - PLEASE READ! I live in a community of hunters and gun owners so we are very keyed in to gun laws being proposed in Washington. Here's an email I just received: > Gun law in > Senate now. > > > > Please forward this to all you know and call or e-mail your > congressman...and join NRA. > > > > Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009 1040 federal > tax form all guns that you have or own. It may require fingerprints > and a tax of $50 per gun. > > > > This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will become > public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law. This is an > amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the > Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all. > > > > The full text of the proposed amendment is on the U.S. Senate > homepage, http://www.senate.gov/ > You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number, SB-2099. > > > > You know who to call; I strongly suggest you do. Please send > a copy of this e-mail to every gun owner you know. > > > > <http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text > > > > Congress is now starting on the firearms confiscation bill. > If it passes, gun owners will become criminals if you don't fully comply. > > > > It has started. > > > > Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 > introduced into the House. This is the Blair Holt Firearm > Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009. > > > > Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because the > government is trying to fly it under the radar. > > > > To find out about this - go to any government website and type in > HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of > Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information. > > > > Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle > with a clip or ANY pistol unless: > > > > -It is registered -You are fingerprinted �You supply a current > Driver's License -You supply your social Security # -You will submit to a > physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing > -Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale > must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically > lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in > jail. -There is a child provision clause on page 16 section > 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and > inaccessible to any child under 18. -They would have the right to > come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from > accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. > in prison. > > > > If you think this is a joke - go to the websiteand take your pick > of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, > more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word > along. Any hunters in your family pass this along. > > > > This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation > of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no > defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is > accomplished before anyone realizes it. > > > > This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not. > > > > If you take my gun, only the criminal will have one to use against > me. HR 45 only makes me/us less safe. > > > > <http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45: > > > > <http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show > > > > http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45 > > > > Please... copy and send this out to EVERYONE in the USA, > whether you support the Right to Bear Arms or are for gun control. > We all should have the right to choose.

csrobbins | 08-06-2009 11:13 AM
Re: New Gun Law Alert - PLEASE READ! All I got to say, is that im not going to report jack ****, if my guns become illegal, so what. OVER MY COLD DEAD BODY!

90%RealMoney | 08-06-2009 11:15 AM
Re: New Gun Law Alert - PLEASE READ! While the healthcare stuff is in the headlines, they are going to try and slide stuff like this through under the radar for sure. Thank God for the internet!

Golddust | 08-06-2009 11:19 AM
Re: New Gun Law Alert - PLEASE READ! Quote:
Originally Posted by mamboni (Post 1854905) I live in a community of hunters and gun owners so we are very keyed in to gun laws being proposed in Washington. Here's an email I just received: > Gun law in > Senate now. > > > > Please forward this to all you know and call or e-mail your > congressman...and join NRA. > > > > Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009 1040 federal > tax form all guns that you have or own. It may require fingerprints > and a tax of $50 per gun. > > > > This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will become > public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law. This is an > amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the > Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all. > > > > The full text of the proposed amendment is on the U.S. Senate > homepage, http://www.senate.gov/ > You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number, SB-2099. > > > > You know who to call; I strongly suggest you do. Please send > a copy of this e-mail to every gun owner you know. > > > > <http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text > > > > Congress is now starting on the firearms confiscation bill. > If it passes, gun owners will become criminals if you don't fully comply. > > > > It has started. > > > > Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 > introduced into the House. This is the Blair Holt Firearm > Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009. > > > > Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because the > government is trying to fly it under the radar. > > > > To find out about this - go to any government website and type in > HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of > Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information. > > > > Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle > with a clip or ANY pistol unless: > > > > -It is registered -You are fingerprinted �You supply a current > Driver's License -You supply your social Security # -You will submit to a > physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing > -Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale > must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically > lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in > jail. -There is a child provision clause on page 16 section > 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and > inaccessible to any child under 18. -They would have the right to > come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from > accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. > in prison. > > > > If you think this is a joke - go to the websiteand take your pick > of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, > more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word > along. Any hunters in your family pass this along. > > > > This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation > of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no > defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is > accomplished before anyone realizes it. > > > > This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not. > > > > If you take my gun, only the criminal will have one to use against > me. HR 45 only makes me/us less safe. > > > > <http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45: > > > > <http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show > > > > http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45 > > > > Please... copy and send this out to EVERYONE in the USA, > whether you support the Right to Bear Arms or are for gun control. > We all should have the right to choose.
Sorry Doc. Bunch of Bull Hocky..:biggrin: SB-2099 - Bill Requiring Federal Tax on Guns Take a grain of truth, sprinkle with false and misleading statements, add a heaping dollop of paranoia, and what do you have? Description: Email rumor Circulating since: Sep. 2000 Status: Outdated / False Email example contributed by a reader, Sep. 18, 2000: Gun owners beware! Back Door Bill (SB-2099) Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2000 1040 federal tax Form all guns that you have or own. It may require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun. This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law. This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all. The full text of the proposed amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage: http://www.senate.gov/. You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number. (SB-2099) You know who to call; I strongly suggest you do. Please send a copy of this e-mail to every gun owner you know to help STOP this bill!! PLEASE NOTE: This is an old rumor dating back to September 2000 (see analysis and update below). No such bill was introduced in 2009. Analysis: As of this writing (September 2000), Senate Bill 2099 (S. 2099) does exist, but the legislation introduced by Senator Jack Reed of Rhode Island on February 24 has little in common with the description above. Email: "Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2000 1040 federal tax Form all guns that you have or own." No, it won't. What the bill would require if it becomes law is the registration of all handguns. Its title is: "The Gun Registration and Safety Act of 2000." There is indeed a provision for a tax on all registered weapons, but it has nothing to do with your federal income tax forms and everything to do with establishing a national database of handgun owners. Email: "This bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law." Nonsense. It has been public knowledge ever since its introduction. Gun rights groups such as the National Rifle Association have been monitoring its progress (or lack thereof) closely and have referenced it in legislative alerts. Email: "This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all." Poppycock. The law would involve a revision of the Internal Revenue Act, yes, but this bill has to go through standard Senate protocols before it can be passed. Besides, didn't a previous sentence just say it would become public knowledge only after it is "voted into law?" Email: "Please send a copy of this e-mail to every gun owner you know to help STOP this bill!!" By all means protest this bill, or support it, if you feel moved either way. But be aware that nobody � including its main sponsor � expects the unpopular proposal to survive committee, let alone pass both houses of Congress. Even the National Rifle Association rates S. 2099 a low priority, having stated as recently as August 25, 2000: "While NRA opposes this legislation, there is no real threat of it passing at this time. Please continue to focus your energy on pending legislation in the U.S. House, and especially, in the U.S. Senate, that poses immediate threats to our freedoms." Machiavellian schemes Conspiracy theories play well on the Internet and have a time-honored place in the debate over gun control in the United States. A significant number of Second Amendment defenders not only argue but seem to sincerely believe that the only real reason gun control laws exist is to pave the way to a totalitarian state. Within this world view it makes sense to believe that Machiavellian schemes are afoot; that anti-gun forces seek to bypass the rule of law to pass covert legislation of which the populace will only become aware when it's too late. The rumor under discussion fits right into this paradigm, more than making up for what it lacks in truth value with high drama verging on hysteria. In under a month of circulation, the email has already prompted hundreds of queries to Congressional offices from concerned but misled citizens across the U.S. If the author(s) of the email intended to stir up a fuss, they have accomplished their mission. Lest anyone seek to justify the spread of misinformation by arguing that it's still good for the gun-rights cause because it rouses people to action, I hasten to point out that it has also roused the opposing side. In fact, GunRegistration.org, an association dedicated to enacting registration laws, now flaunts a color-coded critique of the fallacious email on its website and is using it to drum up support for the very bill it was designed to quash. Like the chain letters say: "What goes around comes around." 2009 update: With the "SB-2099" rumors circulating again in the wake of the 2008 election, the National Rifle Assocation released the following informational alert in May 2009: Clearing Up the Rumors: The Truth About The �Gun Tax Bill� Friday, May 29, 2009 In the last few weeks, NRA-ILA has received hundreds of e-mails warning us about �SB-2099,� a bill that would supposedly require you to report all your guns on your income tax return every April 15. Like many rumors, there�s just a grain of truth to this one. Someone�s recycling an old alert, which wasn�t even very accurate when it was new. There actually was a U.S. Senate bill with that number that would have taxed handguns�nine years ago. It was introduced by anti-gun Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.), and it would have included handguns under the National Firearms Act�s tax and registration scheme. This has nothing to do with anyone�s Form 1040, of course. Fortunately, S. 2099 disappeared without any action by the Senate, back when Bill Clinton was still in the White House. We reported about it back then, just as we report about new anti-gun bills every week. Now, it�s time for gun owners to drop this old distraction and focus on the real threats at hand.

KantianPerspective | 08-06-2009 11:23 AM
Re: New Gun Law Alert - PLEASE READ! Quote:
Originally Posted by Golddust (Post 1854923) There is indeed a provision for a tax on all registered weapons, but it has nothing to do with your federal income tax forms and everything to do with establishing a national database of handgun owners
Is this not more disconcerting than a simple tax??

Twisted Avatar | 08-06-2009 11:23 AM
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mamboni | 08-06-2009 11:27 AM
Re: New Gun Law Alert - PLEASE READ! Quote:
Originally Posted by Golddust (Post 1854923) Sorry Doc. Bunch of Bull Hocky..:biggrin: SB-2099 - Bill Requiring Federal Tax on Guns Take a grain of truth, sprinkle with false and misleading statements, add a heaping dollop of paranoia, and what do you have? Description: Email rumor Circulating since: Sep. 2000 Status: Outdated / False Email example contributed by a reader, Sep. 18, 2000: Gun owners beware! Back Door Bill (SB-2099) Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2000 1040 federal tax Form all guns that you have or own. It may require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun. This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law. This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all. The full text of the proposed amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage: http://www.senate.gov/. You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number. (SB-2099) You know who to call; I strongly suggest you do. Please send a copy of this e-mail to every gun owner you know to help STOP this bill!! PLEASE NOTE: This is an old rumor dating back to September 2000 (see analysis and update below). No such bill was introduced in 2009. Analysis: As of this writing (September 2000), Senate Bill 2099 (S. 2099) does exist, but the legislation introduced by Senator Jack Reed of Rhode Island on February 24 has little in common with the description above. Email: "Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2000 1040 federal tax Form all guns that you have or own." No, it won't. What the bill would require if it becomes law is the registration of all handguns. Its title is: "The Gun Registration and Safety Act of 2000." There is indeed a provision for a tax on all registered weapons, but it has nothing to do with your federal income tax forms and everything to do with establishing a national database of handgun owners. Email: "This bill will become public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law." Nonsense. It has been public knowledge ever since its introduction. Gun rights groups such as the National Rifle Association have been monitoring its progress (or lack thereof) closely and have referenced it in legislative alerts. Email: "This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee can pass this without the Senate voting on it at all." Poppycock. The law would involve a revision of the Internal Revenue Act, yes, but this bill has to go through standard Senate protocols before it can be passed. Besides, didn't a previous sentence just say it would become public knowledge only after it is "voted into law?" Email: "Please send a copy of this e-mail to every gun owner you know to help STOP this bill!!" By all means protest this bill, or support it, if you feel moved either way. But be aware that nobody � including its main sponsor � expects the unpopular proposal to survive committee, let alone pass both houses of Congress. Even the National Rifle Association rates S. 2099 a low priority, having stated as recently as August 25, 2000: "While NRA opposes this legislation, there is no real threat of it passing at this time. Please continue to focus your energy on pending legislation in the U.S. House, and especially, in the U.S. Senate, that poses immediate threats to our freedoms." Machiavellian schemes Conspiracy theories play well on the Internet and have a time-honored place in the debate over gun control in the United States. A significant number of Second Amendment defenders not only argue but seem to sincerely believe that the only real reason gun control laws exist is to pave the way to a totalitarian state. Within this world view it makes sense to believe that Machiavellian schemes are afoot; that anti-gun forces seek to bypass the rule of law to pass covert legislation of which the populace will only become aware when it's too late. The rumor under discussion fits right into this paradigm, more than making up for what it lacks in truth value with high drama verging on hysteria. In under a month of circulation, the email has already prompted hundreds of queries to Congressional offices from concerned but misled citizens across the U.S. If the author(s) of the email intended to stir up a fuss, they have accomplished their mission. Lest anyone seek to justify the spread of misinformation by arguing that it's still good for the gun-rights cause because it rouses people to action, I hasten to point out that it has also roused the opposing side. In fact, GunRegistration.org, an association dedicated to enacting registration laws, now flaunts a color-coded critique of the fallacious email on its website and is using it to drum up support for the very bill it was designed to quash. Like the chain letters say: "What goes around comes around." 2009 update: With the "SB-2099" rumors circulating again in the wake of the 2008 election, the National Rifle Assocation released the following informational alert in May 2009: Clearing Up the Rumors: The Truth About The �Gun Tax Bill� Friday, May 29, 2009 In the last few weeks, NRA-ILA has received hundreds of e-mails warning us about �SB-2099,� a bill that would supposedly require you to report all your guns on your income tax return every April 15. Like many rumors, there�s just a grain of truth to this one. Someone�s recycling an old alert, which wasn�t even very accurate when it was new. There actually was a U.S. Senate bill with that number that would have taxed handguns�nine years ago. It was introduced by anti-gun Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.), and it would have included handguns under the National Firearms Act�s tax and registration scheme. This has nothing to do with anyone�s Form 1040, of course. Fortunately, S. 2099 disappeared without any action by the Senate, back when Bill Clinton was still in the White House. We reported about it back then, just as we report about new anti-gun bills every week. Now, it�s time for gun owners to drop this old distraction and focus on the real threats at hand.
Sorry if I caused undue consternation - I didn't have time to do extensive research on this - and it sounded so typical of Washington. :36_3_12:

Golddust | 08-06-2009 11:33 AM
Re: New Gun Law Alert - PLEASE READ! Quote:
Originally Posted by KantianPerspective (Post 1854929) Is this not more disconcerting than a simple tax??
"Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2000 1040 federal tax Form all guns that you have or own." No, it won't. What the bill would require if it becomes law is the registration of all handguns. Its title is: "The Gun Registration and Safety Act of 2000." There is indeed a provision for a tax on all registered weapons, but it has nothing to do with your federal income tax forms and everything to do with establishing a national database of handgun owners. Still old news Going on 10 years ago. Did not happen..

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