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platinumdude | 03-27-2009 12:07 PM
Hillary Clinton on AWB http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510916,00.html CLINTON: There's no doubt about it. And you know, Greta, I remember 15 years ago, the reason the assault weapons ban was passed is because police chiefs in America begged for it. They said, I'm sending my guys out onto the street, they're being outgunned. The criminals, the gang members, they have automatic weapons, military assault rifles. Get them off the street. Give our guys a fighting chance. And there's no doubt in my mind that the 10 years we had an assault weapons ban in America was one of the tools that helped to drive down the crime rate. And we've been really fortunate. We changed our policing techniques, which we're sharing with the Mexicans. We put in more technology, which we're advising the Mexicans about. But getting those assault weapons off the streets was really helpful. We also began to better arm our own police. But if Americans will just think back, those of us old enough to remember, what it was like 15, 20 years ago when our own police were facing those assault weapons, and now, unfortunately, the Mexican police are. So we have to take our share of the responsibility because they're bought by straw purchasers. They are smuggled across the border. And then they are used to, as you point out, you know, kill a brave policewoman who was doing her job. http://campaignspot.nationalreview.c...dhZjE3MzlhYTc= We believe that we have announced a plan to use every tool at our current disposal through administrative actions to track illegal guns, to arrest and punish those who are trafficking in illegal guns, to share more information with the Mexican Government so that they can also track and seize these guns. Obviously, I am someone who supported the assault weapons ban which was passed in 1994, but it was passed with an expiration date and it expired ten years later. I, as a senator, supported measures to try to reinstate it. Politically, that is a very big hurdle in our Congress. But there may be some approaches that could be acceptable, and we are exploring those. Certainly, the export of assault weapons and illegal weapons is something that has grave consequences for Mexico. And we�re going to look at whatever is possible that we can do ourselves within the Administration, and we will explore with Congress other steps to take.

CrufflerJJ | 03-27-2009 12:15 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Great! So now we're not only going to outlaw "assault weapons" [which aren't really assault weapons at all, but why confuse things with facts?] for the children, but we're going to do it "for the MEXICAN children." That just makes me feel so warm & fuzzy.:s1::thumpdown

<SLV> | 03-27-2009 12:16 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB How are police being outgunned when they can own all sorts of stuff that is ALREADY NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE for J6P to get his hands on? Cops can walk into my local gun store and leave with a full auto .223 for less than I can buy a semi-auto AR-15! They have stacks of gun available to law enforcement that we can't touch. Remember Waco? They claimed they were outgunned there also, but the Branch Davidians did not have automatic weapons or tanks.

Twisted Avatar | 03-27-2009 12:25 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Just like 3 pistols and a 25 rd Box of Turkey loads is a AMMO AND WEAPONS CACHE @#$%^&*ERS. T

smullen | 03-27-2009 12:29 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1648853) Just like 3 pistols and a 25 rd Box of Turkey loads is a AMMO AND WEAPONS CACHE @#$%^&*ERS. T
hahaha, God I hope they never see the basements or storage of a few of the people I know.... I know one guys thats a business owner so he has decent cash to throw around, he buys ammo by the pallet... Could you imagine having a pallet of ammo for each weapon... Even limiting it too three sizes... Say, .223/5.56, 7.62x39 and .45!!!! Wow... I'd still have to top off now and then as to not take too big a bite out of the pallet... Somethings you just can not have too much of...

Lars Ragnarsson | 03-27-2009 02:24 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Hitlery's claim of the AWB lowering crime rates is complete bullshit. To my recollection, the decline in violent crime coincided with more states coming on board with CCW permits. Funny, criminals aren't as bold when they have to start wondering if the vic better equipped than they are. How about crime rates after the expiration of the AWB? Haven't looked it up, but then I don't trust any statistics compiled by the feds.

Tumbleweed | 03-27-2009 03:39 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Has anyone seen this video of the cops taking on a guy with an AK47? You Tube
You Tube

JJ_ | 03-27-2009 04:13 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Looks like the 4th shot got him. Cop had some serious tunnel vision. Was a white Dodge PU oncoming in the other lane. not faulting him. That's just what adrenalin does. Anybody wanna call these guys JBT's? Pigs? wait for it.... wait for it.....

CQC McDuck | 03-27-2009 04:19 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB "And there's no doubt in my mind that the 10 years we had an assault weapons ban in America was one of the tools that helped to drive down the crime rate." Her opinion isn't a fact.

Golddust | 03-27-2009 04:27 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by Tumbleweed (Post 1649140) Has anyone seen this video of the cops taking on a guy with an AK47? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVGmS...eature=related
That went down 25 miles from were i live, There was also a guy with a ccl that took on the shooter on outside of the court house , trying to protect the woman and was killed doing it. Lucky no one else was killed in the cross fire.

Lars Ragnarsson | 03-27-2009 06:09 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB "...hysteria sets in as automatic rifle fire strafes the building from the street below...." There's the mainstream media again. Either showing their bias or their ignorance. Bastards.

Mill Man | 03-27-2009 07:33 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by Lars Ragnarsson (Post 1649360) "...hysteria sets in as automatic rifle fire strafes the building from the street below...." There's the mainstream media again. Either showing their bias or their ignorance. Bastards.
Don't miss this one either. CLINTON: There's no doubt about it. And you know, Greta, I remember 15 years ago, the reason the assault weapons ban was passed is because police chiefs in America begged for it. They said, I'm sending my guys out onto the street, they're being outgunned. The criminals, the gang members, they have automatic weapons, military assault rifles. Get them off the street. Give our guys a fighting chance. I've already heard, at least half a dozen times, jaw jacking heads on tv go straight from stating weapons purchased in U.S. gun shops are being smuggled into mexico for use by drug smugglers, to stating the cartels are using fully automatic weapons and grenades.

o b juan | 03-27-2009 08:51 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB I dont know how every bodies memory is but mine is long the clintoooons came in in 92 and the concealed carry blossomed at that time so she is full of scheize. it isnt because the awb was passed that crime went down it was the CHL.. What a lying twit she is.

elroy | 03-27-2009 10:24 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Hitlery is incapable of speaking the truth and she doesn't know jack on this subject. She simply regurgitates what the anti gun bastards tell her. The Mexican drug cartels have so much money that they have been caught with their own submarines transporting dope. The news is telling they have 100,000 people on their payroll. These people can buy all the weapons they want, any type of weapon they want and from anywhere in the world. They don't need to use straw buyers in the U.S. Mexico is dealing with an insurgent military force and rampant systemic corruption. It has nothing to do with the U.S. gun laws. Give me a break.

CQC McDuck | 03-27-2009 11:15 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB I was watching a segment tonight on CNN's Campbell Brown about the "unwarranted gun and ammo buying hysteria". They showed a gun store, its owner, and a couple of guys with ARs and asked them "if they really needed such weapons", and if the 2nd Amendment really "allowed" people to own such weapons. They answered yes to both, and then went on to explain why Obama sucks with regards to gun rights and legal gun ownership. At the end of her segment she had another CNN pundit (Jeffrey Toobin) "cut through the bull", and debunk this "paranoia". The pundit then claimed that, "with the exception of a few military style assault rifles", Obama would never ban guns and that most of this was much to do about nothing. Orwell then proceeded to roll in his grave...

Mill Man | 03-27-2009 11:21 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB I caught that segment as well. My first inclination was to go buy more guns and ammo.

JJ_ | 03-27-2009 11:36 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Yeah... Kinda almost like they will stop at nothing.....

C&L 1911 | 03-28-2009 12:00 AM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by Golddust (Post 1649209) That went down 25 miles from were i live, There was also a guy with a ccl that took on the shooter on outside of the court house , trying to protect the woman and was killed doing it. Lucky no one else was killed in the cross fire.
Mark Wilson was his name, and it's quite possible that he saved a number of lives that day by engaging the shooter with only a handgun. He was also the reason the shooter decided to flee the scene instead of going after his wife and possibly inside the Court house. Funny how that video doesn't even mention that part of the story, and only portrays cops as heroes (not to take anything away from the cops that were there, but the credit need to be given where it's due). :no_ma: Also, IIRC, Mark was the only fatality in that shooting (other that the shooter himself), but I may be wrong on that one. As far as the discussion at hand goes, I thought Mexico already had a "permanent assault (and non-assault) weapons ban" in place, so, since they are completely disarmed, they shouldn't even be having all these problems, right? :sarc: The police are the only ones that have guns there, so what's the problem? :sarc: Sounds like someone forgot to debrief Ms. Klinton of that little fact.

Doge | 03-28-2009 09:39 AM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by C&L 1911 (Post 1649836) I thought Mexico already had a "permanent assault (and non-assault) weapons ban" in place, so, since they are completely disarmed, they shouldn't even be having all these problems, right? :sarc: The police are the only ones that have guns there, so what's the problem? :sarc: Sounds like someone forgot to debrief Ms. Klinton of that little fact.
Hey you quit thinking and using common sense. Don't you know that it is now "our fault" because "our guns" are making their way across the border? So Mexican crime will not go away until all of U.S. guns are gone. Then U.S. crime will not go away until all other countries have their gun taken away. And what are you left over when that happens? One world government.

Mill Man | 03-28-2009 02:39 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by Doge (Post 1650154) Hey you quit thinking and using common sense. Don't you know that it is now "our fault" because "our guns" are making their way across the border? So Mexican crime will not go away until all of U.S. guns are gone. Then U.S. crime will not go away until all other countries have their gun taken away. And what are you left over when that happens? One world government.
Yep, they can smuggle heroin from Afghanistan to South/Central America and then up to the U.S. and Canada, but they're to stupid to throw a crate of ak's on the boat or airplane to go along with it. Edit: The earlier statement about the Mexican government not releasing the serial #'s on the M-16's makes it pretty damn obvious as well.

Lars Ragnarsson | 03-28-2009 03:21 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by Mill Man (Post 1650439) Yep, they can smuggle heroin from Afghanistan to South/Central America and then up to the U.S. and Canada, but they're to stupid to throw a crate of ak's on the boat or airplane to go along with it. Edit: The earlier statement about the Mexican government not releasing the serial #'s on the M-16's makes it pretty damn obvious as well.
Hey, I'll go you one better. The CIA/DEA/Foreign Military Sales Program, et al (pick one or choose answer "Z, All of the above") gave those rifles to the Mexican military or police forces. No, wait. That won't work, because NOBODY in the Mexican military or any police force is corrupt enough to turn around and sell those weapons to, oh, say some drug cartel. Nah, that's not plausible. Sorry for the interruption....

Mill Man | 03-28-2009 03:28 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Certainly not Lars. You must be raving mad or something. I've gotta go now. I'm heading down to the local gun shop so I can buy some grenades before hillary bans them.

honu5050 | 03-28-2009 03:47 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB lets see Hillerys been the white house how many years ? she should know all the tricks by now. bancha watta farce.

honu5050 | 03-28-2009 04:16 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by CQC McDuck (Post 1649200) "And there's no doubt in my mind that the 10 years we had an assault weapons ban in America was one of the tools that helped to drive down the crime rate." Her opinion isn't a fact.
ten year plan. playing chess....shes back. well aint dat coincidental ???? :sarc:

platinumdude | 03-30-2009 09:59 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB John Kerry: No National Guard to Southern Border, Bring Back Assault Weapons Ban http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...-failed-state/ Sending National Guard to the U.S. border of Mexico is "premature and possibly counterproductive," but reviving the assault weapons ban would help end the drug-related violence in Mexico, Sen. John Kerry said Monday. Guess there are more idiots pushing for another ban.

CQC McDuck | 03-30-2009 10:36 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1654548) John Kerry: No National Guard to Southern Border, Bring Back Assault Weapons Ban http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...-failed-state/ Sending National Guard to the U.S. border of Mexico is "premature and possibly counterproductive," but reviving the assault weapons ban would help end the drug-related violence in Mexico, Sen. John Kerry said Monday. Guess there are more idiots pushing for another ban.
Better get while the gettin' is mediocre folks, because these jokes are about to make their move. If you want it now, you had better act quickly or risk being the victim of unread 12am 'emergency' legislation. Viva la Tyranny! :565::applause_:565::applause_:565:

reviver | 03-30-2009 11:17 PM
Re: Hillary Clinton on AWB This article was posted three days ago.. Quote:
Who Is Arming the Mexican Drug Cartels? by Michael Gaddy
There is no rest for the wicked... Or the weary...

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