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puller738 | 12-29-2009 12:38 PM
I have no firearms!! Actually, I have a whole bunch. However with what's going on in this country you need to realize that some radical form of gun control will soon become law. All of my firearms have been recorded in the system so what becomes the best way to hide what I have from those who wish to take them?? :MIA: I'm trying to be proactive here!!

coopersmith | 12-29-2009 12:40 PM
Re: I have no firearms!! Bury them and report them stolen.

sindgefallen | 12-29-2009 12:50 PM
Re: I have no firearms!! sell and re-buy

SilverCity | 12-29-2009 12:58 PM
Re: I have no firearms!! TPTB know that the gun market is highly fluid. I seriously doubt they would come looking for a specific serial numbered firearm. More than likely, you are on a list as being "a known firearms purchaser". Anyone who has ever filled out a yellow form when they purchased a firearm from a dealer is already in a database, as well as any NRA members, former military or law enforcement, if you sold online, bought online, attended a gunshow (?), belong to any of the gun forums, gun clubs, etc. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, there were about 215 million privately owned guns in 1999. The NRA estimates that half of all American households (total US population is 294 million) have at least one gun owner. For the month of April 2009 there were 1.2 million FBI Criminal Background Checks performed at the request of licensed gun dealers regarding a firearms sale. If a person were buying 12 guns there would only be one check. This means the figure could represent more than 1.2 million guns sold for the month. There is also the possibility that the person was turned down and thus no gun was sold, just a check performed. In the previous year for the month of April 2008 940,000 checks were performed. This is a 30% increase. How about next year? Not to mention 5 BILLION rounds of ammunition sold in the last few months. Every weekend across America, there are probably thousands of privately owned firearms that change hands. How would anyone know at any given moment what we own or don't own... You are a worried about THEM knowing? Guess what? The lizard people want to kill all of us. Get over it. I don't see why it matters if they know we own a firearm or not. In fact, they are probably counting on it...

Fudup | 12-29-2009 12:58 PM
Re: I have no firearms!! Don't bother to come here looking for anything; guns, food, PM's. It all sunk on the sailboat I was going to live on when the SHTF. I will just have to leave my house and live in the FEMA shelters. Nobody home! Nothing to steal here! :no_ma: Poor me. :hissyfit_m:

Twisted Avatar | 12-29-2009 01:00 PM
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puller738 | 12-29-2009 01:10 PM
Re: I have no firearms!! If you need to use the firearm in self-defense and you "don't have one", you will become the criminal at that point!

State of Jefferson | 12-29-2009 04:39 PM
Re: I have no firearms!! Quote:
Originally Posted by puller738 (Post 2099181) If you need to use the firearm in self-defense and you "don't have one", you will become the criminal at that point!
The concept of "criminal" has no valid meaning any more. Not in a world where genuine criminals rape and murder in the trillions and thousands, respectively, with total immunity. "Shoot, shovel, and shut-up" is a legitimate strategy in this world we now have. I'm dead serious. No more compliance with "the law." No more compliance with "law enforcement." Live as a Free Man, treating others as one wishes to be treated (the only true, and eternal, law which must be followed). If the police come to persecute you for doing right, then do what is necessary. No more fear of anything on this Earth. Including death for defending oneself.

State of Jefferson | 12-29-2009 04:41 PM
Re: I have no firearms!! Quote:
Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 2099139) The best way is to use them when someone tries to take them.
Dear Officer: I don't want to kill you. I don't even want to wound you. I admire your courage and the commitment you've made to help others, often at risk of own your life. I hope you won't come for me, because if you do, one of us will die. It may be you. I've done nothing wrong. I don't intend to. But the government which you serve has passed too many laws. I am sure to accidentally break one, some day. And that same government is systematically destroying the unalienable rights which our Constitution says may not be infringed � very specifically, my right to keep and bear arms. I am not some wacko lunatic, but I can no longer stand idly by, while decent people are systematically enslaved by an out-of-control government. I cannot allow a corrupt judiciary to use its power to destroy my rights and my country. That government and that judiciary has begun to use you to arrest and kill people just like me � people who believe that the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights mean what they say. You don't know me, but you see me every day. I may be a businessman, a truck driver, an executive. I could be a housewife or a salesman. But I am armed, as Americans have been for over 250 years, and I am determined to keep the freedoms which only an armed people may retain. With a rifle, I can hit a man-sized target at 800 yards. At shorter distances, in the blink of an eye, I can hit a head-size target with a rifle or a handgun. I don't wear a uniform. I don't drive a marked car. I don't wear camouflage. I could be your own secretary, or your barber. I might be the guy who delivers your bottled water, or the parcel delivery lady. You don't know who I am, or what arms I have, and you never will. I am tens of millions. I am America. But I know you. I know your uniform, your car, and your work schedule. I know where you work, and where you live. And that is good for you, because not only am I no threat to you, so long as you do the job for which you are hired, I am also prepared to assist you when you are threatened by real criminals. There aren't many of me left, you may think, but believe me, there are many, many more than you can imagine. When the chips are down, we are the ones who are truly on your side. On your side, that is, so long as you honor your Oath. We are on your side if you are one of the majority of peace officers who are not corrupt and who have not sold out to the socialists and communists � freedom betrayers who will do anything, say anything to destroy the America our fathers and grandfathers bequeathed us. No, I am no threat to you, but your bosses in government don't see it that way. They think that I, and my arms, are a threat to them, and they are planning to send you for me, just as they've sent armed, dangerous officers on select little missions for years, taking out targeted individuals. On their orders, you may succeed in murdering me for my beliefs. Or you may not. Whether or not you succeed in murdering me, as federal agents murdered Vicki Weaver and her young son in Idaho; or as those same federal agents murdered 81 men, women and children at Waco, Texas; there will be others who will rise up in my memory, as I now rise up in honor of the innocent lives taken by the jack-booted thugs and black-clad imitation ninjas who think it is fun to murder Americans � who have somehow become convinced that it is their job to murder Americans! I am prepared to die, honoring my sacred Oath as an American, to defend and protect the Constitution of the united States of America. Are you prepared to die to violate the Oath you took? You see, our government is out of control. It has rotted, from the top down. You know it. You've seen it. But you, like many others, have been too concerned with your job, your family, and your pension, to say or do anything about it. Deep down, you know I am right. But you think you must follow orders. Or must you? Are you going to murder me for having the courage to stand up for the country and the principles in which you believe? Are you going to go along with unconscionably illegal, unconstitutional orders, just as "good" German soldiers followed their orders? Are you going to be a peace officer or a jack-booted thug? There is little difference between a street outlaw who murders and robs; and a uniformed thug who murders and robs under color of law. The result is the same. Property confiscated, lives ruined, families ripped apart, murder committed, and a free nation destroyed. Look at history. Look around the world. As we move toward a lawless society, our country moves closer and closer to anarchy and then some form of fascism. Are you going to enforce unconstitutional laws? Are you going to be the private army of socio/fascist dictators who masquerade as democratic representatives? Or are you going to do your part to recapture America? Are you going to keep your eyes and ears open? Will you quietly let me know when the jack-booted thugs in the SWAT teams have targeted me? Will you let your fellow officers know that they are being sold down the river by their corrupt masters? Don't come to kill me. Because I don't want to kill you. If you do come, you may succeed � if you get lucky. But don't count on luck, because it will probably be hard � damned hard. Like millions of other Americans, I am the son or daughter of a nation of riflemen � citizen-soldiers who have a rich heritage of beating the best the enemy can send against us. We are resourceful. We cherish our homes and freedom. We understand weapons and tactics. You are foolish if you intend to be our enemy. If you don't succeed, and in the long run, you won't, here's what you can expect: ambushes of SWAT teams, and the wholesale slaughter of all the jack-booted thugs who have murdered innocent Americans on the orders of their socialist masters; targeted assassinations and kidnappings of anti-Constitution judges, and assassinations of anti-American, anti-gun politicians. By your willingness to be a good little Nazi, you will have unleashed a civil war � just what America's enemies want. It doesn't have to be that way. You can do something about it. It's easy. Read the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Although you took an Oath to defend them, you don't learn much about them in your training, do you? Today, these documents are considered dangerous by the government, just as King George found them dangerous over 200 years ago. Why do you suppose your leaders lead you to oppose the very rights you swore to protect? Why do they want a disarmed public? You know the reason. It has nothing to do with controlling crime. It has everything to do with using you to disarm, fine, control, and ultimately murder your American fellows � just like the brownshirts and the SS did to German citizens. Don't fall for it. Don't force me to kill you. (signed) 100 Million American Patriots (written by William Cooper)

mk3hunter | 12-29-2009 10:03 PM
Re: I have no firearms!! LEO's better be clear on what they are willing to die for. Are they willing to die for enforcing bad law? I am willing to die for my gun rights (my friends think I'm talking shit about this) I am not. Only a hand full of things I would die for......my guns are on the list. Some decisions are very easy in life. Simple really.

AgKanga | 12-29-2009 10:32 PM
Re: I have no firearms!! Quote:
Originally Posted by coopersmith (Post 2099137) Bury them and report them stolen.
Whatever you do, do NOT report them stolen, you will be wrapped up in more red tape and paperwork than the new Healthcare Reform Bill. Do a search on the pros and cons of reporting a lost gun...which I almost did when I thought one had been stolen. It is a nightmare, not to mention you will have a very difficult time purchasing your next gun. Pick a few up at a gun show, they can usually be purchased "off the grid". Good Luck!

etheostoma | 12-29-2009 11:48 PM
Re: I have no firearms!! First post. In my state firearms can be sold without an official transfer. No paper work. So "sell" them. Then hide them.:smile:

Patriotme | 12-30-2009 05:34 AM
Re: I have no firearms!! What kind of guns do you have? You know that there will not be a total gun ban don't you? A total gun ban would have to be proposed and passed by a majority of Dems in the House, Senate and White House. They know that this would kill most of their political careers. I doubt if they could even get enough Blue Dogs to vote for a total gun ban. What you will see is a creeping form of gun control. Assault Weapon Bans and hi capacity magazine bans are definately on the horizon but they will have to fight tooth and nail to get these passed through the House and Senate. Of course Obama would immediately sign them should they pass. If another Assault Weapon Ban and hi cap mag ban were signed into law you would see other laws proposed such as a Saturday Night Special Law since only the rich should be able to own guns. Perhaps a military caliber ban would be offered. The always popular Armor Piercing Round ban would surely be proposed. Then there's the Sniper Rifle Ban (any gun with a scope on it). The list can go on and on. We've all seen or heard the speeches from the anti gunners. By the way, California now has ammo registration (in the latest NRA magazine). You do paperwork and give a thumbprint when buying ammo. There is no background check, waiting period, etc but a State legislator admitted they hope for an instant background check in the future. Over a dozen other states have proposed serializing and registering all ammo. This is truly scary. www.ammunitionaccountability.com It would take the ammo manufacturers 3 weeks to produce what they currently produce in a day if the individual bullets had to be serialized. You can imagine what this would do to prices. The bad thing is no one knows about this. Anyway.....long story short....you don't have to worry about an immediate gun ban. You should worry more about the anti gun politicians using baby steps towards total gun control. Fight them on each and every issue. We should also really worry about the stuff that is proposed at the state levels instead of simply worrying about Reid, Pelosi and Obama. Do you know what worries me more than the House and Senate trying to pass new gun laws? I worry more about government agencies and Czars simply using existing laws to ban guns. Suppose an agency declares that guns are a national health issue and bans them. The CDC is already talking about guns and "Epidemics" Crazy taxes, EPA restrictions on shooting ranges, OSHA rules for ammo shippers, lead bullet bans (CA again) and a host of other restrictions designed to drive up prices worry me more than Congress and the dipshit in the White House.

Brave Sir Lancelot | 12-30-2009 06:01 AM
Re: I have no firearms!! Engraved bullets, that is scray

morganchaser | 12-30-2009 06:23 AM
Re: I have no firearms!! Quote:
Originally Posted by puller738 (Post 2099135) Actually, I have a whole bunch. However with what's going on in this country you need to realize that some radical form of gun control will soon become law. All of my firearms have been recorded in the system so what becomes the best way to hide what I have from those who wish to take them?? :MIA: I'm trying to be proactive here!!
When cops search things: they go after everything they know exist. If you have reciepts from a storage unit in your garbage can: it may be searched. If you used your real name to rent that storage unit: it may be searched. If your wife/kids/GF/best friend knows where it is: it may be searched. If you drove to that storage unit and they have a supreme court approved GPS tracker on your car: it may be searched. If you walk to that storage unit with your cell phone in your pocket: it may be searched. If you bought that storage unit with plastic: it may be searched.(pay cash) Now replace storage unit with Safety Deposit box, vacation home, foreign bank accounts, trunk of vehicle, boat, tree fort, hotel, airport locker... ect. If there is ANY evidence tieing you to your storage location: you might get ****ed ITSHTF. What is the answer? Keep a jennings in your dresser drawer, and a cheap .22lr in your gun cabinet. Keep a couple Mosin Nagants preserved underground(not on your property), and the rest of your collection hidden in the house. 1st answer: 4th+5th ammendments 2nd answer if that doesn't work. You had to sell/trade the rest of your collection away via private sale in order to pay bills. Give them the name of someone you looked up in the Obituaries just for the occaision. They should be more worried about instant cold packs if you ask me.

Twisted Avatar | 12-30-2009 07:19 AM
Re: I have no firearms!! 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriotme (Post 2100278) If another Assault Weapon Ban and hi cap mag ban were signed into law you would see other laws proposed such as a Saturday Night Special Law since only the rich should be able to own guns. Perhaps a military caliber ban would be offered. The always popular Armor Piercing Round ban would surely be proposed. Then there's the Sniper Rifle Ban (any gun with a scope on it). The list can go on and on. We've all seen or heard the speeches from the anti gunners.
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Twisted Avatar | 12-30-2009 07:22 AM
Re: I have no firearms!! Quote:
Originally Posted by Brave Sir Lancelot (Post 2100292) Engraved bullets, that is scray
Non-Engraved Bullets, that is very profitable in the underground economy that will spring up like wildfire. T

Twisted Avatar | 12-30-2009 07:26 AM
Re: I have no firearms!! Quote:
Originally Posted by mk3hunter (Post 2099865) I am willing to die for my gun rights (my friends think I'm talking shit about this) I am not. Only a hand full of things I would die for......my guns are on the list. Some decisions are very easy in life. Simple really.
Amen Good Brother.......... Amen When you give up your guns .........you're saying in effect: Im willing to stake my life on the hope that you will be merciful to me and my family. Screw that and the horse it rode in on. T

slabertooch | 12-30-2009 10:18 AM
Re: I have no firearms!! Buy from trusted individuals, without a 4473. Face to Face sales are legal and done enough times the firearm will only be traceable back to the last person who went through a dealer. Lessons From the 20th Century Quote:
LESSON NO. 1: If a bureaucrat, or a soldier sent by a bureaucrat, comes to knock down your door and take you someplace you do not want to because of who you are or what you think -- kill him. If you can, kill the politician who sent him. You will likely die anyway, and you will be saving someone else the same fate. For it is a universal truth that the intended victims always far outnumber the tyrant's executioners. Any nation which practices this lesson will quickly run out of executioners and tyrants, or they will run out of it. LESSON NO. 2: If a bureaucrat, or a soldier sent by a bureaucrat, comes to knock down your door and confiscate your firearms -- kill him. The disarmament of law-abiding citizens is the required precursor to genocide. LESSON NO. 3: If a bureaucrat tells you that he must know if you have a firearm so he can put your name on a list for the common good, or wants to issue you an identity card so that you be more easily identified -- tell him to go to hell. Registration of people and firearms is the required precursor to the tyranny which permits genocide. Bureaucrats cannot send soldiers to doors that are not on their list. LESSON NO. 4: Believe actions, not words. Tyrants are consummate liars, just because a tyrant is "democratically elected" does not mean he believes in democracy. Reference Adolf Hitler, 1932. And just because a would-be tyrant mouths words of reverence to law and justice, or takes a solemn oath to uphold a constitution, does not mean be believes such concepts apply to him. Reference Bill Clinton, among others. The language of the lie is just another tool of killers. A sign saying "Arbeit Macht Frei" (Work Make You Free) posted above an execution camp gate does not mean that anybody gets out of there alive, and a room labeled "Showers" does not necessarily make you clean. Bill Clinton notwithstanding, the of "is" is plain when such perverted language gets you killed. While all tyrants are liars, it is true that not all politcal liars are would-be tyrants -- but they bear close watching. And keep your rifle handy. LESSON NO. 5: Our constitutional republic as crafted by the Founders is the worst form of government in the world, except when compared to all the others. Capitalism, as well, is a terrible way to run an economy, except when compared to all other economic systems. Unrestrained democracy is best expressed as three wolves and a sheep sitting down to vote on what to have for dinner. The horrors of collectivism in all its forms -- socialism, communism, national socialism, fascism -- have been demonstrated beyond dispute by considerable wasteful trial and bloody error. Leaders such as Bill Clinton who view the Constitution and inconvenient and ignorable are harbingers of tyranny. LESSON NO. 6: While nations do not always get the leaders they deserve, they always get the leaders they tolerate. And anyone who tells you that "It Can't Happen Here" is whistling past the graveyard of history. There is no "house rule" that bars tyranny coming to America. History is replete with republics whose people grew complacent and descended into imperial butchery and chaos. Dictators count on the assistance of people who are complacent, fearful, envious, lazy and corrupt. While there is no "Collective guilt" to the crimes of a regime (all such crimes being committed by specific criminal individuals), there is certainly "collective responsibility" -- especially for those who watch the criminals at work without objecting or interfering. A French journalist of the last century wrote: "I must speak out for I will not be an accomplice." Evil tyrants require, indeed they depend upon, willing and unwilling accomplices -- good people who would never think of harming a soul themselves. Lenin called such people "useful idiots." De Tocqueville observed that "America is great because America is good. When America ceases to be good, she will cease to be great." As related in the Old Testament, God judged nations based upon the immorality and criminality of their leaders. Entire peoples were scourged because of their failure to remove corrupt leaders. As we move from the Twentieth Century into the Twenty-First, we should take care to remember the ancient story of Sodom and Gommorrah. If we wish to avoid the butchery of the Twentieth Century and the righteous judgment of the Good of our antiquity, we would do well to keep our Bibles, our Constitution and our firearms close at hand.

mojo273 | 12-30-2009 11:57 AM
Re: I have no firearms!! Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 2100332) ............................
Love the British 303......:565:

FeS2 | 12-30-2009 12:16 PM
Re: I have no firearms!! I have no pms (or for the brits pmt)

Argentsum | 12-30-2009 03:20 PM
Re: I have no firearms!! So how does the whole bullet engraving thing work when using a shotgun? For that matter, how does any ballistic forensics work when a shotgun is used?

Ag_man | 12-30-2009 04:28 PM
Re: I have no firearms!! Quote:
Originally Posted by slabertooch (Post 2100499) Buy from trusted individuals, without a 4473. Face to Face sales are legal and done enough times the firearm will only be traceable back to the last person who went through a dealer. Lessons From the 20th Century
All my latest acquisitions have been F2F with no paper and very good deals as well! For some things, I know I have to go through a dealer, but once you've done some F2F deals, you have to think; "Do I really want to fill out that paperwork?". I keep my F2F guns stored separately from the weapons with a paper trail, just in case.

SPQR | 12-30-2009 04:33 PM
Re: I have no firearms!! Quote:
Originally Posted by Fudup (Post 2099166) Don't bother to come here looking for anything; guns, food, PM's. It all sunk on the sailboat I was going to live on when the SHTF. I will just have to leave my house and live in the FEMA shelters. Nobody home! Nothing to steal here! :no_ma: Poor me. :hissyfit_m:
Just a reminder... they have boats too...BIG ONES.:yes:

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