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Beaker | 03-08-2009 07:25 PM
RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE http://rense.com/general85/cntrived.htm Contrived US Ammunition Shortage From Charleston Voice 3-8-9 From an undisclosed, but reliable source. I'd like to know who told Remington to cut back on production.... ______ Less than 10 days ago I went to buy my wife a handgun from a large national sporting goods retail outlet near Boise. They have 3 very large sets of shelves that are normally stacked high with every imaginable type of ammo, but on this day they had maybe 2% of their normal stock and 0, yes ZERO .38 cal. When I asked the salesman about it he said that they have not been able to get much and when they do it sells within a few days. Because I am so concerned about what is unfolding in our country I decided to check around. Out of 5 major outlets I was able to obtain 2 boxes of .40 cal. and 1 box of .38, 250 rounds total. The story from each salesman was the same, there is none available and they don't know when they will receive more. At one location I got talking with the clerk and he told me that his brother works for Remington and has run their ammo making machines for over 10 years, in the past few years they have run 12 hours a day 7 days a week. TWO WEEKS after our last elections their management informed them that they were to cut back to 2 1/2 days a week and only run 8 hour a day. He said they had 50 semi-truck trailers waiting to be loaded but that they could not fill them. A small family owned gun store I have dealt with for the last several years had quite a bit available but I was told again that they have scoured the entire area and bought everything they could find to resell, and they thought what they had would be gone by this Monday, tomorrow. After talking more with the owner he told me that last Wednesday and Thursday his staff had spent the entire time calling every gun store in Oregon, Idaho, and Washington and could not locate anything more than a few boxes here and there. While I was in the store he took off to drive all the way to Montana to get what was available there in a few small towns, that is at least a 16 hour round trip drive. Apparently over thirty people were waiting for an ammo shipment in Mt. Home, Id. and when the Semi finally arrived it had only 12 boxes of pistol ammo aboard and they were told not to expect anymore in the near future. I haven't heard this situation mentioned anywhere, and I would never have discovered it if I hadn't gone to purchase a gun. Something very strange is happening out here. I can only hope that it is a local phenomenon, but I fear that is much larger. Please inform your readers so that they can find out for themselves.

sneak | 03-08-2009 07:39 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE Let's see, it's been 4 months since the election and he has just now figured out that something is going on? :confused_ma: Wake up and smell the roses before it's too late!

Abouthadit | 03-08-2009 07:44 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE I did my part on Sat. Picked up some .308 Win at a pawn shop for 30c each. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :565::getdown:bancha:10_1_20::36_1_34::5_1_120::co oler:

smullen | 03-08-2009 07:52 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE I have been talking to gun dealers and have heard several reason... 1st and most obvious, people are stocking up for fear of Obamma and Gang, taking away the right to bear, or the stupid tax increases... 2nd. I heard that several of the larger mines (one specifically in southern MO, can't recall the name) has sold/promised the better majority of their future product to several overseas companies who been buying it up like crazy... Then, when we are short over here, they sell some of it back to us at a pretty good premium... Which if true, could help explain raising prices and shortages.. I went to several local shops and did not find any .223/5.56 so I fought a few boxes of 12 Ga and a few boxes of .22 with what cash I had on hand...

tyusclan | 03-08-2009 08:13 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE I went to a gun show yesterday, and was able to pick up a couple hundred rounds of ammo, about 400 once-fired brass, some pistol primers and a few boxes of buckshot. All in all the ammo supply looked pretty good there, but the prices were definitely UP.

End of Hope | 03-08-2009 08:31 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE It is UTTER CRAP to assert that the ammunition manufacturers are in a conspiracy to drive up the price by denying access to cartridges and shells. The profit motive rules, and they don't need to shut down production to jack up the price.

Doge | 03-08-2009 08:37 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE We need to find someone who actually works in the factories for a good inside story. I was at Dick's two days ago and they had plenty of rifle ammunition but only .45 ACP and .40 SW for pistol rounds.

honu5050 | 03-08-2009 08:40 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE Quote:
Originally Posted by End of Hope (Post 1614540) It is UTTER CRAP to assert that the ammunition manufacturers are in a conspiracy to drive up the price by denying access to cartridges and shells. The profit motive rules, and they don't need to shut down production to jack up the price.
if it go's haywire you'll only need one round sad but....:s10: thats were bite the bullit came from.

End of Hope | 03-08-2009 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Doge (Post 1614551) We need to find someone who actually works in the factories for a good inside story. I was at Dick's two days ago and they had plenty of rifle ammunition but only .45 ACP and .40 SW for pistol rounds.
If it were conspiracy, I'd say ammunition would be out of stock across the board, and that hasn't been the case. (no pun intended - lots of cases :biggrin:)

sindgefallen | 03-08-2009 09:10 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE I too would like to hear from an industry insider. I went to Sportsmans Wearhouse yesterday and there was a minimal stock of handguns and no 9mm and only a couple 40's and 1 .45. They only had 2 boxes of 9mm hydrashocks left out of those three calibers and barely any handgun ammo otherwise. 223 and 7.62x39 was gone and only a few boxes of high end 308. shotguns and shells were in decent supply but far from what they used to stock and special hunting calibers were fairly plentiful. No more special orders on weapons and 3 month wait on orders from manufacturer.

CQC McDuck | 03-08-2009 09:22 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE From what I've heard from a couple of local gun retailers in my area, handguns and ammunition (all types) are being bought up like there's no tomorrow. Most online ammunition retailers are backordered until further notice. My guess is that there is simply an unprecedented amount of stockpiling and speculation in the market place right now.

honu5050 | 03-08-2009 09:28 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE Quote:
Originally Posted by End of Hope (Post 1614600) If it were conspiracy, I'd say ammunition would be out of stock across the board, and that hasn't been the case. (no pun intended - lots of cases :biggrin:)
tptb just want to know what we think and how.... throwing the psyop game at ya. banchayea lots of cases.:sarc:

FiftySense | 03-08-2009 09:28 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE I believe the shortage will cease when people are done spending their stimulus checks on preps :biggrin:

smullen | 03-08-2009 09:47 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE Quote:
Originally Posted by CQC McDuck (Post 1614630) From what I've heard from a couple of local gun retailers in my area, handguns and ammunition (all types) are being bought up like there's no tomorrow. Most online ammunition retailers are backordered until further notice. My guess is that there is simply an unprecedented amount of stockpiling and speculation in the market place right now.
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Originally Posted by FiftySense (Post 1614637) I believe the shortage will cease when people are done spending their stimulus checks on preps :biggrin:
If so, I'll be glad when it takes a dip and you can easliy find ammo for decent prices.... I'll keep more in storage... Its really been a bummer and drasticly cut into my frequent trips to the range... Mush as I liuke the range, I hate driving all the way there to shoot a mag and come home...

Junior Ganymede Club | 03-08-2009 10:38 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE Went to Sportsman's Warehouse last week, a couple of hours from Boise, and other than some 9mm Markarov, some high-end hunting rounds, and shotgun shells, they were out of everything. Not one .22lr in the store, none of the common calibers, nothing. Same story, salesman said to stop by right after the truck showed up on Thursday and maybe I'd get something. First time I've ever seen that store out, and I go every few weeks.

igorthesmall | 03-08-2009 10:46 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE I have been following prices and quantities available of quite a few products lately, and here is what I can tell you. (I have been buying and reselling AR15 parts for profit, and I have been following things EXTREMELY closely. Also I have actually sold this stuff on gunbroker and I can tell you what the actual market prices are, this isnt just some random crap from reading on the internet or heard from a friend or something.) Basically, its practically impossible to find bolt carrier groups or barrels. Complete uppers are selling for a pretty good premium over pre-election retail prices. Maybe 30-40% over. Shortages are only going to get worse, as many of the manufacturers are having problems finding the raw materials needed to make their BCGs. (What I mean by this, is that generally, a company that makes BCGs buys certain parts from another company, then machines those parts and assembles them into BCGs. This is a bigtime bottleneck, and was before the election even.) As for reloading components, primers are practically impossible to find. Any primers that you do find, especially small rifle (.223) primers, buy up immediately at any price that is near the pre-election price. They are selling on gunbroker for INSANE prices. Here is an auction that sold for $320 for 5k of small rifle primers just this weekend. This isnt just one cherry picked auction, this is the standard. These would have been under $150 shipped 5 months ago. http://v4.beta.gunbroker.com/Auction...Item=124001275 Generally when the reloading companies get any kind of primers in stock, they are gone almost instantly, especially the small rifles. (shotgun stuff doesnt count, there is tons of shotgun ammo and components available still) Some other things, 5.56 and/or .223 is getting harder and harder to find, and prices are constantly rising. If you want some anytime soon, but it ASAP. Right now, bulk prices are about $425-$450 shipped for 1000 rounds of brass cased. Most places are sold out at these prices. In the next month, I expect most cases of match ammo to be sold out as well, as generally the regular stuff is unavailable, and the prices of match havent really risen as much, since people have been buying the cheapest they could find to get large quantities. Here are some links to some ammo dealers to see their .223 page and you will see exactly what I am talking about. Actually the match stuff is probably going to be out of stock totally by the end of the week. http://palmettostatearmory.com/223-556-ammo.php http://www.wideners.com/itemview.cfm...dir=18|830|845 As you can see, all they have left is the match stuff and tracers.

90%RealMoney | 03-08-2009 11:56 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE Lots of online dealers are out of most ammo. Classic arms is completely out of 7.62X39, and 7.62X54R, not to mention most of their rifles as well. I wish I had a shitbox of available cash to buy more lead. Alot of people don't realize yet what's going on with firearms, and ammo. Much like what happened with gold and silver, J6P won't figure it out til everything is gone!

Beaker | 03-09-2009 12:26 AM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE Quote:
Originally Posted by igorthesmall (Post 1614725) I have been following prices and quantities available of quite a few products lately, and here is what I can tell you. (I have been buying and reselling AR15 parts for profit, and I have been following things EXTREMELY closely. Also I have actually sold this stuff on gunbroker and I can tell you what the actual market prices are, this isnt just some random crap from reading on the internet or heard from a friend or something.) Basically, its practically impossible to find bolt carrier groups or barrels. Complete uppers are selling for a pretty good premium over pre-election retail prices. Maybe 30-40% over. Shortages are only going to get worse, as many of the manufacturers are having problems finding the raw materials needed to make their BCGs. (What I mean by this, is that generally, a company that makes BCGs buys certain parts from another company, then machines those parts and assembles them into BCGs. This is a bigtime bottleneck, and was before the election even.) As for reloading components, primers are practically impossible to find. Any primers that you do find, especially small rifle (.223) primers, buy up immediately at any price that is near the pre-election price. They are selling on gunbroker for INSANE prices. Here is an auction that sold for $320 for 5k of small rifle primers just this weekend. This isnt just one cherry picked auction, this is the standard. These would have been under $150 shipped 5 months ago. http://v4.beta.gunbroker.com/Auction...Item=124001275 Generally when the reloading companies get any kind of primers in stock, they are gone almost instantly, especially the small rifles. (shotgun stuff doesnt count, there is tons of shotgun ammo and components available still) Some other things, 5.56 and/or .223 is getting harder and harder to find, and prices are constantly rising. If you want some anytime soon, but it ASAP. Right now, bulk prices are about $425-$450 shipped for 1000 rounds of brass cased. Most places are sold out at these prices. In the next month, I expect most cases of match ammo to be sold out as well, as generally the regular stuff is unavailable, and the prices of match havent really risen as much, since people have been buying the cheapest they could find to get large quantities. Here are some links to some ammo dealers to see their .223 page and you will see exactly what I am talking about. Actually the match stuff is probably going to be out of stock totally by the end of the week. http://palmettostatearmory.com/223-556-ammo.php http://www.wideners.com/itemview.cfm...dir=18|830|845 As you can see, all they have left is the match stuff and tracers.
THIS is extremely good information and I appreciate you taking the time to share and educate. I am going to take your advice and buy up a shitload of primers a friend wants to get rid of since he retired and isnt reloading anymore, they are in EXCELLENT condition and he has TENS OF THOUSaNDS of them in all calibers.

Contento | 03-09-2009 12:31 AM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE If the laws of supply and demand hold true, we should be seeing ammo production getting ramped up very soon. It's not like ammo companies don't wanna cash in on this sellers market...

Beaker | 03-09-2009 01:11 AM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE Quote:
Originally Posted by Contento (Post 1614824) If the laws of supply and demand hold true, we should be seeing ammo production getting ramped up very soon. It's not like ammo companies don't wanna cash in on this sellers market...
Alot of ammo is going to the US military war effort also, that has to be factored in.

reformed wastrel | 03-09-2009 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Contento (Post 1614824) If the laws of supply and demand hold true, we should be seeing ammo production getting ramped up very soon. It's not like ammo companies don't wanna cash in on this sellers market...
The problem with that is that manufacturers have to wonder if this is strictly a short-term buying spree. They do not want to make the capital investments needed (extra machines, operating space, long-term materials contracts, etc.) to expand production, only to see sales return to pre-Hope&Change levels. In the short term, they can just work overtime, and perhaps add more work shifts. That way if this increased demand tapers back off, they can then cut the overtime and fire the additional shift workers. Better, from their point of view, than buying machines that might soon be sitting idle.

igorthesmall | 03-09-2009 07:07 AM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE Quote:
Originally Posted by reformed wastrel (Post 1614993) The problem with that is that manufacturers have to wonder if this is strictly a short-term buying spree. They do not want to make the capital investments needed (extra machines, operating space, long-term materials contracts, etc.) to expand production, only to see sales return to pre-Hope&Change levels. In the short term, they can just work overtime, and perhaps add more work shifts. That way if this increased demand tapers back off, they can then cut the overtime and fire the additional shift workers. Better, from their point of view, than buying machines that might soon be sitting idle.
Exactly. It costs a lot of money to buy the equipment needed to produce more primers, barrels, guns, etc. If they think this demand is temporary (a year or two or less), there is no way they are going to expand their production capabilities only to have to idle them a year or two down the road. I can tell you that everything I have heard from people in the business is that manufacturers expect this to be short term and are just increasing shifts, but not purchasing more equipment. Also, many manufacturers are backordered for a year or even two years right now.

meatman | 03-09-2009 08:53 AM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE I spend 10 min. every monday online buying ammo thats all the time it takes me to find what I need every week I order 1000 rds 556 1000 rds 762 then every other week 500 rds 9mm I have about 10 different online retailers I buy from. this week I had to get my 556 from Wideners and my 762 from Graf & Sons

electric-amish | 03-09-2009 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TechGuy (Post 1614534) Privi has been available plenty at the local academy stores (store brand). They have production in FULL gear.
I like Privi for reloading. They have Anieled Cases and they have been through the press full sizeing 3xs so far with no problems. I do not push hard with powder so it may last a little better for me. I buy 150gr--which is just for noise and fun , then, reload for accuracy. E-A

erocktxmade | 03-09-2009 11:22 AM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE I dont buy into Remington being told to cut back on production. There is MONEY to be made, so business wise that would be a very bad choice. I just think people know micro stamping may be coming or high taxes on ammo and are just getting as much as they can now and the suppliers just cant keep up with this demand.

Doge | 03-09-2009 12:36 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE Remington is owned by Cerberus Capital Management who is ran by Steve Feinberg. ANYTHING is possible when it comes to Cerberus. They also own Chrysler.

Twisted Avatar | 03-09-2009 01:17 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE Quote:
Originally Posted by Abouthadit (Post 1614450) I did my part on Sat. Picked up some .308 Win at a pawn shop for 30c each. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :565::getdown:bancha:10_1_20::36_1_34::5_1_120::co oler:
I just bought (15) 50 cal ammmo cans. I got to fill them ASAP. T

igorthesmall | 03-17-2009 02:19 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE I thought I would update some of my previous statements. If you look at my earlier post, I showed a gunbroker auction for 5000 small rifle primers for $320. http://v4.beta.gunbroker.com/Auction...Item=124001275 Here is an auction today for small rifle primers for $425. http://v4.beta.gunbroker.com/Auction...Item=124828476

CrufflerJJ | 03-17-2009 03:26 PM
Re: RENSE REPORTS AMMO SHORTAGE Quote:
Originally Posted by igorthesmall (Post 1630538) I thought I would update some of my previous statements. If you look at my earlier post, I showed a gunbroker auction for 5000 small rifle primers for $320. http://v4.beta.gunbroker.com/Auction...Item=124001275 Here is an auction today for small rifle primers for $425. http://v4.beta.gunbroker.com/Auction...Item=124828476
OUCH! Sounds a wee bit greedy, but if the buyer "needs" them, they may pay the price.

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