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Junior Ganymede Club | 02-25-2009 10:47 PM
Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Attorney General Says White House Also Looking at Ban on 'Cop-Killer' Bullets By JASON RYAN WASHINGTON, Feb. 25, 2009 SHARE The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today. Wednesday Attorney General Eric Holder said that the Obama administration will seek to reinstitute the assault weapons ban which expired in 2004 during the Bush administration. "As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Holder told reporters. Holder said that putting the ban back in place would not only be a positive move by the United States, it would help cut down on the flow of guns going across the border into Mexico, which is struggling with heavy violence among drug cartels along the border. "I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum." Holder said at a news conference on the arrest of more than 700 people in a drug enforcement crackdown on Mexican drug cartels operating in the U.S. Mexican government officials have complained that the availability of sophisticated guns from the United States have emboldened drug traffickers to fight over access routes into the U.S. A State Department travel warning issued Feb. 20, 2009, reflected government concerns about the violence. "Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades," the warning said. "Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico, but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez." At the news conference today, Holder described his discussions with his Mexican counterpart about the recent spike in violence. "I met yesterday with Attorney General Medina Mora of Mexico, and we discussed the unprecedented levels of violence his country is facing because of their enforcement efforts," he said. Holder declined to offer any time frame for the reimplementation of the assault weapons ban, however. "It's something, as I said, that the president talked about during the campaign," he said. "There are obviously a number of things that are -- that have been taking up a substantial amount of his time, and so, I'm not sure exactly what the sequencing will be." In a brief interview with ABC News, Wayne LaPierre, president of the National Rifle Association, said, "I think there are a lot of Democrats on Capitol Hill cringing at Eric Holder's comments right now." During his confirmation hearing, Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee about other gun control measures the Obama administration may consider. "I think closing the gun show loophole, the banning of cop-killer bullets and I also think that making the assault weapons ban permanent, would be something that would be permitted under Heller," Holder said, referring to the Supreme Court ruling in Washington, D.C. v. Heller, which asserted the Second Amendment as an individual's right to own a weapon. The Assault Weapons Ban signed into law by President Clinton in 1994 banned 19 types of semi-automatic military-style guns and ammunition clips with more than 10 rounds. "A semi-automatic is a quintessential self-defense firearm owned by American citizens in this country," LaPierre said. "I think it is clearly covered under Heller and it's clearly, I think, protected by the Constitution."

mick silver | 02-25-2009 10:49 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban post link please

Junior Ganymede Club | 02-25-2009 10:50 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1

BullionVince | 02-25-2009 10:51 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Oh man I though ammo and guns were hard to get already.....

Twisted Avatar | 02-25-2009 11:08 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban LESS THAN 100 DAYS...........JUST LIKE I SAID.

Satyr | 02-25-2009 11:18 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban We all knew it was coming. If we can't stop it, I hope there is at least a grandfather clause tied to it. I've got my toys. I hope the rest of you have yours.

Twisted Avatar | 02-25-2009 11:21 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban 1 Attachment(s) ......................

mick silver | 02-25-2009 11:23 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Clinton get what he wanted

Silver001 | 02-25-2009 11:23 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Cop killer bullets- 9mm thru an 16 inch barrel

Bx3 | 02-25-2009 11:33 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban and so it begins

BullionVince | 02-25-2009 11:36 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Ok I am really starting to think guns and ammo are going to make a lot more in the end than gold or silver. Time to lock and load the wallet up with some more cash. I'm going shopping again.

Elvis | 02-25-2009 11:36 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban We always deprive our citizens of their rights to help Mexico. Certainly they would do the same for us. They can't make the point that banning the guns here would cut crime, because crime went way down after the ban expired. So now we have to ban them to spare the poor Mexicans. And NBC coincidentally was able to pull together a story on this the same day it's announced. Doesn't that take time? So they were given word in advance to help pimp the plan.

gangsta99 | 02-25-2009 11:39 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Damnit, I am broke and can't keep stocking up. I guess I need to sell a kidney to get me some more evil black rifles. Anyone in the market for a kidney? Will trade one for a Colt AR-15 and a AK pistol, 2 dozen PMags and a dozen AK mags and 3 K in .223 ammo. Oh yeah and some 7.62 steel core chinese ammo. :4_8_4v:

Snake Plissken | 02-25-2009 11:41 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban That's right, all the machine gun and grenades sales in the states need to be curtailed, as just anyone can buy machine guns and grenades in the states and smuggle them into Mexico. Quote:
"Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades,"

Waylon | 02-25-2009 11:44 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban My AR and AK just doubled in value. :yes:

mick silver | 02-25-2009 11:47 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Snake Plissken (Post 1594344) That's right, all the machine gun and grenades sales in the states need to be curtailed, as just anyone can buy machine guns and grenades in the states and smuggle them into Mexico.
if this is what is going on it would not be hard to fine out if there guns are gone , like you said only a few own guns like that

Snake Plissken | 02-25-2009 11:50 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver (Post 1594351) if this is what is going on it would not be hard to fine out if there guns are gone , like you said only a few own guns like that
No one owning NFA weapons is going to transfer any NFA weapon to anyone else unless all the paperwork is in order - never gonna happen. Who would risk that prison time?

platinumdude | 02-25-2009 11:58 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban http://cspan.org/Watch/watch.aspx?MediaId=HP-A-15821 Liste at the 20 minutes, 16 second mark.

End of Hope | 02-26-2009 12:39 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver001 (Post 1594319) Cop killer bullets- 9mm thru an 16 inch barrel
Correction: .17 caliber through 460mm (the shells used on Yamato). When this SOB in the Oval Office is through, ALL firearms in the hands of non-cops and non-military will be banned.

latitude22 | 02-26-2009 12:41 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by gangsta99 (Post 1594339) Damnit, I am broke and can't keep stocking up. I guess I need to sell a kidney to get me some more evil black rifles. Anyone in the market for a kidney? Will trade one for a Colt AR-15 and a AK pistol, 2 dozen PMags and a dozen AK mags and 3 K in .223 ammo. Oh yeah and some 7.62 steel core chinese ammo. :4_8_4v:
I'll buy yer kidney if we're a match!

End of Hope | 02-26-2009 12:42 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Some of the "rumored" lists circulating including the Ruger Mini-14 and Mini-30 as "assault weapons."

latitude22 | 02-26-2009 12:44 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban I think I have plenty of ammo, i started buying it about 4 years ago, actually I ran out of room to store it LOL (prolly one of the best investments I've made value wise). There are however a couple of rifles I'd like to buy before the ban goes into effect, but even the mention of one will prolly make them worth more then i want to spend :(

Glass | 02-26-2009 12:46 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban I think they really need to investigate why the military is selling grenades to the mexicans.... oh thats right, its for drugs. Good on you CIA.

mick silver | 02-26-2009 12:53 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban if a group can get drugs in to mexico how hard would it be for china or russia are any other country to being them in , i would also say look at the cia if there grenades down there but any country could seNT them there as well , let just point the finger at the guys in the usa , what a load of SHIT

LukeNM | 02-26-2009 01:32 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban This is the excuse they have been looking for to ban private sales. Let's see, we cannot keep their drugs out of our country and they cannot keep our guns out of theirs. Get a clue and shutdown the f'ing border!

Contento | 02-26-2009 02:05 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban This will make perfect fodder for the mainstream media. Rather than focus on the economy they can talk about "Obama vs. the Gun Nuts"...pathetic. I hope to hell the NRA and all gun owners are ready top fight this bullshit tooth and nail!

madcow | 02-26-2009 02:33 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Oh God, please let this not occur until I have fully researched and procured an AR-15 and lots of ammo - I need more time. (very late to gun ownership, but I bought 2 in the past 60 days).

MetalManiac | 02-26-2009 02:42 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by madcow (Post 1594555) Oh God, please let this not occur until I have fully researched and procured an AR-15 and lots of ammo - I need more time. (very late to gun ownership, but I bought 2 in the past 60 days).
Better GITTY UP!!! It's almost time for :fan: Read this... So you want to buy an AR-15, huh? Complete AR-15 Buyer's Guide http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81462

madcow | 02-26-2009 02:52 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by MetalManiac (Post 1594566) Better GITTY UP!!! It's almost time for :fan: Read this... So you want to buy an AR-15, huh? Complete AR-15 Buyer's Guide http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81462
HA! I found that a couple of days ago and still have the tab open. So much to learn...5.56/.223, chromed barrels, stainless, uppers, lowers, 1:7/1:9 twist, iron sights, optics, optics ready, A3, A4, trigger mods,'get this one', 'don't get that one' ...it's quite overwhelming. I've gotten to the point of watching prices and the number of bids on gunbroker.com and thinking well this one is in my range and everybody seems to want it...so it must be a good one. A few more weeks and I'll be up to speed and purchasing. I tend to over study things to the point of inaction. thanks for the link.

AurumAg | 02-26-2009 04:36 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban I'm OK with an assault weapons ban. Dear Barry Soetoro (BS), Eric Holder & Co. http://hchq.biz/mia_photos/special_assault_agents.jpg In accordance with your "assault weapons ban," please instruct your security personnel to start the pile with your assault weapons first, and when I've confirmed that you have no more access to assault weapons, I will consider throwing down.

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leadfoot | 02-26-2009 07:24 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban What's a "cop killer" bullet? Is there any bullet that wouldn't kill a cop? If gun bans in Mexico don't work there then why don't the Dem's ask Mexico to pass stricter laws instead of mucking around here? I know, I know - it's really not about Mexico is it? BTW - If too many Mexicans are being killed in Mexico - can we send some back as replacements?:signs14:

leadfoot | 02-26-2009 07:33 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by latitude22 (Post 1594420) I'll buy yer kidney if we're a match!
Whether you have 1 or 2, that's some serious prepping!

Twisted Avatar | 02-26-2009 07:40 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by madcow (Post 1594555) Oh God, please let this not occur until I have fully researched and procured an AR-15 and lots of ammo - I need more time. (very late to gun ownership, but I bought 2 in the past 60 days).
You have barely enough to be DEFENSE READY. You need at least another six to be BATTLE READY. You need at least fifteen to be a HARD CORE PATRIOT. You need thirty plus to be an OFFICIAL DEATH DEALER. Select your level of commitment and move your @ss like there is no tommarow. TAKE ACTION NOW OR TAKE CHANCES LATER. T

Chris_Is_Here | 02-26-2009 07:54 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban and everyone said I was crazy, no way will he move against guns this soon... this commie prick lawyer knows a revoultion is coming and he is acting NOW

Twisted Avatar | 02-26-2009 08:23 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_Is_Here (Post 1594735) and everyone said I was crazy, no way will he move against guns this soon... this commie prick lawyer knows a revoultion is coming and he is acting NOW
The die has been cast. People need to make up there minds NOW. So when the moment of truth comes......... THERE WILL BE NO HESITATION........ ONLY BOLD ACTION. T

chad | 02-26-2009 08:26 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban i'm with everybody else on the bullet issue. wtf is a cop killer bullet? i imagine i could kill a cop with a high power pellet gun if i hit him in the eye or something...

graspAU | 02-26-2009 08:28 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban 1 Attachment(s) Glad I picked up 2 last year, about 5000 rounds of 5.56, and 30+ 30 round magazines. Long live freedom!!!

CrufflerJJ | 02-26-2009 09:12 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by graspAU (Post 1594769) Glad I picked up 2 last year, about 5000 rounds of 5.56, and 30+ 30 round magazines. Long live freedom!!!
I'm sorry, but those are obviously dangerous & eeevil. If you'd just send them to me, I'd be glad to handle their proper disposal.:111:

meatman | 02-26-2009 09:27 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Best news all day I am glad there is going to be an assault ban I can stop buying preps 80% people are obama supporters that means every time I get hungry after the SHTF grab the AK and do a little neighborhood shopping odds are in my favor 8 out 10 homes are not going to be armed I will play those odds everyday.:565:

oz in sc | 02-26-2009 09:28 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban It is getting close to the time when people will need to use their firearms. I refuse to give up my right to defend myself.

Plastic | 02-26-2009 09:36 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Let the son of a bitch ban sales of firearms, I guarantee you that they will still be available if you know where to look. And if the SHTF they can be looted from the brownshirts. I know this is gonna sound strange, but out of all my firearms; my personal favorite is a .22 bolt action. This man can put a round through a squirrels head at 200 yards and would not be afraid to carry it into battle. TA, I do believe you are correct; the Manchurian candidate is shitting his pants.

Bill843 | 02-26-2009 09:50 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Forget the ar15's, they will be no help. Too big, too loud for covert use, and not big & loud enough to hole up with. ar15's are guns for "making a stand".... like Ruby Ridge, like Branch Davidians. For urban guerrilla warfare you step out of the crowd, shoot once quietly, and then step back into the crowd. You need pistols and carbines that are concealable and that can use a silencer.... 9mm, 45, .22LR. ------ Ruger 10/22 heavy-barrels and Mk-II/III gov't pistol are straight-profile barrels, easy to make slip-fit silencers for. Hi-point carbine is cheap (<$200) and with ATI $79 stock has a straight barrel end exposed, slip-fit silencers would fit on that too. ,,,,, What cheaper 9mm/45 cal pistols can you get extension barrels for? I don't know much about such matters.... -end-

rogold | 02-26-2009 10:00 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban ready for this.... Definition of assault weapon Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following: - Folding stock - pistol grip - Bayonet mount - Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following: - Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip - Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or silencer - Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold - Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more - A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following: - Folding or telescoping stock - Pistol grip - Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds Detachable magazine

oz in sc | 02-26-2009 10:01 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban AR-15s can be quite short 'legally' and even shorter if you buy a commando upper and switch it out. I agree however on your scenario.

latitude22 | 02-26-2009 10:01 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill843 (Post 1594895) For urban guerrilla warfare you step out of the crowd, shoot once quietly, and then step back into the crowd. You need pistols and carbines that are concealable and that can use a silencer.... 9mm, 45, .22LR. --
That's a great way to get a whole crowd of people mowed down with..... well ar15's

oz in sc | 02-26-2009 10:03 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by latitude22 (Post 1594935) That's a great way to get a whole crowd of people mowed down with..... well ar15's
You mean the people's protectors would kill innocent civilians??? Surely that would cause people to hate their protectors,driving more and more people to oppose the government.....

The Argent Dragon | 02-26-2009 10:09 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
"I think closing the gun show loophole, the banning of cop-killer bullets and I also think that making the assault weapons ban permanent, would be something that would be permitted under Heller," Holder said
MR. HOLDER - you had better stop THINKING or you'll hurt us all. This guy is a supreme scumbag !!! :s10::s10::s10::36_1_28:

Twisted Avatar | 02-26-2009 10:19 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban 2 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill843 (Post 1594895) For urban guerrilla warfare you step out of the crowd, shoot once quietly, and then step back into the crowd. You need pistols and carbines that are concealable and that can use a silencer.... 9mm, 45, .22LR.
Yup........ The French Resitence had a one shot pistol called "The Liberator". The idea was it allowed you to get close enough to a German sentry for a head shot. With that you would then strip him of his rifle, gun and supplies.

Abouthadit | 02-26-2009 10:26 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1594367) http://cspan.org/Watch/watch.aspx?MediaId=HP-A-15821 Liste at the 20 minutes, 16 second mark.
S O B. :36_1_28:

meatman | 02-26-2009 10:26 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban The Justice Department said that as part of the 21-month-long investigation, DEA and other federal agents had seized $59 million in U.S. currency; 12,535 kilograms of cocaine; more than 16,000 pounds of marijuana; more than 12 pounds of methamphetamine; approximately 8 kilograms of heroin; approximately 1.3 million pills or 500 pounds of Ecstasy; approximately 120 kilograms of MDMA powder; and more than $6.5 million in other assets, including 149 vehicles, 3 aircraft, 3 maritime vessels and 169 weapons. At a press conference announcing the arrests, Holder also suggested that re-instituting a U.S. ban on the sale of assault weapons would help reduce the bloodshed in Mexico, where last year 6,000 people were killed in drug-related violence. U.S. officials have a responsibility to make sure Mexican police "are not fighting substantial numbers of weapons, or fighting against AK-47s or other similar kinds of weapons that have been flowing to Mexico," Holder said. 21 month investigation.... millions and millions worth of money and dope, but only 169 guns and we need to ban guns. get the f**k outta here.... what a bunch of f**king dopes!

meatman | 02-26-2009 10:28 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Rationalizing gun control in the US by using violence in Mexico is such a stretch, it is bizarre. There must be a bunch, of what MG refers to as "gun nuts," purchasing assault weapons, and smuggling them to Mexican drug cartels? And a blanket ban on such will stop this activity? And then the violence will be greatly reduced? Well, that argument makes sense to me.

latitude22 | 02-26-2009 10:32 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
The idea was it allowed you to get close enough to a German sentry for a head shot. With that you would then strip him of his rifle, gun and supplies.
Doesn't seem like the plan was to "slip back into the crowd". The whole scenario all rests on the concept that your "enemy" wouldn't mow down a crowd of people to get one guy who shot at them, I find it hard to believe one feels he may need to shoot at our gov't, but that it would be unlikely they would be willing to accept the collateral damage of a crowd of people. Let's face it, even guerilla style it's going to damn hard to win a revolution with pistols, if everytime a group of americans assemble some guy hops out of the crowd and kills one guard, my guess is they are going to make sure there aren't any crowds forming.

Twisted Avatar | 02-26-2009 10:33 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban 1 Attachment(s) The Storm is Coming.............

Abouthadit | 02-26-2009 10:34 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1594724) Select your level of commitment and move your @ss like there is no tommarow. TAKE ACTION NOW OR TAKE CHANCES LATER. T[/B]
Amen brother, preach on. :emotions16:

Doge | 02-26-2009 10:34 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban And when this happens the American public will collectively do nothing like always.....

.41Dave | 02-26-2009 10:36 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill843 (Post 1594895) Forget the ar15's, they will be no help. Too big, too loud for covert use, and not big & loud enough to hole up with. ar15's are guns for "making a stand".... like Ruby Ridge, like Branch Davidians. For urban guerrilla warfare you step out of the crowd, shoot once quietly, and then step back into the crowd. You need pistols and carbines that are concealable and that can use a silencer.... 9mm, 45, .22LR. ------ Ruger 10/22 heavy-barrels and Mk-II/III gov't pistol are straight-profile barrels, easy to make slip-fit silencers for. Hi-point carbine is cheap (<$200) and with ATI $79 stock has a straight barrel end exposed, slip-fit silencers would fit on that too. ,,,,, What cheaper 9mm/45 cal pistols can you get extension barrels for? I don't know much about such matters.... -end-
I suspect there may be a lot of truth in this. If things ever get bad enough for "Leaderless resistance", concealable pistols and accurate bolt rifles with good scopes will likely be more useful and effective that ARs and AKs. Rule one for the guerrilla is avoid pitched battles at all costs.

oz in sc | 02-26-2009 10:49 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by latitude22 (Post 1595001) Doesn't seem like the plan was to "slip back into the crowd". The whole scenario all rests on the concept that your "enemy" wouldn't mow down a crowd of people to get one guy who shot at them, I find it hard to believe one feels he may need to shoot at our gov't, but that it would be unlikely they would be willing to accept the collateral damage of a crowd of people. Let's face it, even guerilla style it's going to damn hard to win a revolution with pistols, if everytime a group of americans assemble some guy hops out of the crowd and kills one guard, my guess is they are going to make sure there aren't any crowds forming.
Yes....that is the point. Make it unbearable for the sheep. The more sheep killed by the government overreacting the better. all hypothetical at this time.

Twisted Avatar | 02-26-2009 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Doge (Post 1595007) And when this happens the American public will collectively do nothing like always.....
Like I give a rip...... The Majority will do as they are told and quietly board the FEMA trains. All I care about is finding the 5% who think ,understand,realize what is at stake and are COMMITED to doing something about it . When I am with them..........I will be in the REAL Majority.

Drumblebum | 02-26-2009 10:58 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by End of Hope (Post 1594422) Some of the "rumored" lists circulating including the Ruger Mini-14 and Mini-30 as "assault weapons."
:yippee::banana::elefant::ARMS1::clap2::23_31_2::2 3_30_104: Awesome!! Now I don't feel left out!! :sarc:

ohioarmedneutrality | 02-26-2009 11:24 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban I'd like to know where the Mexicans are getting all this sweet weaponry, because I sure as heck can't find any. Maybe the U.S. feds are selling it to them. Hell, they've given them just about anything else they've wanted (jobs, social security, welfare, citizenship, housing, etc. etc.).

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oz in sc | 02-26-2009 11:28 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban The fedgov. IS selling it to Mexico....to their gov't. And segments of their corrupt gov't are selling it to the gangs.

ohioarmedneutrality | 02-26-2009 11:45 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Well obviously the real solution to Mexican gang violence is to ban the U.S. federal government from possessing or selling those nasty, icky assault weapons. All in favor, say "Aye."

Shoden | 02-26-2009 11:49 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Here's another article about how American gun owners and dealers are the cause of Mexico's problems: U.S. Is Arms Bazaar for Mexican Cartels Quote:
U.S. Is Arms Bazaar for Mexican Cartels By JAMES C. McKINLEY Jr. Published: February 25, 2009 PHOENIX � The Mexican agents who moved in on a safe house full of drug dealers last May were not prepared for the fire power that greeted them. When the shooting was over, eight agents were dead. Among the guns the police recovered was an assault rifle traced back across the border to a dingy gun store here called X-Caliber Guns. Now, the owner, George Iknadosian, will go on trial on charges he sold hundreds of weapons, mostly AK-47 rifles, to smugglers, knowing they would send them to a drug cartel in the western state of Sinaloa. The guns helped fuel the gang warfare in which more than 6,000 Mexicans died last year. Mexican authorities have long complained that American gun dealers are arming the cartels. This case is the most prominent prosecution of an American gun dealer since the United States promised Mexico two years ago it would clamp down on the smuggling of weapons across the border. It also offers a rare glimpse of how weapons delivered to American gun dealers are being moved into Mexico and wielded in horrific crimes. �We had a direct pipeline from Iknadosian to the Sinaloa cartel,� said Thomas G. Mangan, a spokesman for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Phoenix. Drug gangs seek out guns in the United States because the gun-control laws are far tougher in Mexico. Mexican civilians must get approval from the military to buy guns and they cannot own large-caliber rifles or high-powered pistols, which are considered military weapons. The ease with which Mr. Iknadosian and two other men transported weapons to Mexico over a two-year period illustrates just how difficult it is to stop the illicit trade, law enforcement officials here say. The gun laws in the United States allow the sale of multiple military-style rifles to American citizens without reporting the sales to the government, and the Mexicans search relatively few cars and trucks going south across their border. What is more, the sheer volume of licensed dealers � more than 6,600 along the border alone, many of them operating out of their houses � makes policing them a tall order. Currently the A.T.F. has about 200 agents assigned to the task. Smugglers routinely enlist Americans with clean criminal records to buy two or three rifles at a time, often from different shops, then transport them across the border in cars and trucks, often secreting them in door panels or under the hood, law enforcement officials here say. Some of the smuggled weapons are also bought from private individuals at gun shows, and the law requires no notification of the authorities in those cases...
Looks like the media storm is starting to really get going. I'd noticed over the past several months that there were more reports of crimes being committed with AK-47s than I'd ever seen before. We've seen the statistics that show that only about 1% of murders are committed with "assault weapons", so is that rate really going up, or is the media just focusing on evil black rifles? The thing that bothers me most right now is that we may not even get a chance to have a debate on this, since Holder is on record as saying a lot of this could be implemented with executive orders. It's just been a few days since there was talk of an executive order banning the import of military surplus weapons and ammo, and if they can work American made "assault weapons" into an international issue with Mexico I'm sure they'll try to find a way to justify an executive order for this as well.

Silver Shield | 02-26-2009 11:51 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Glad I did not listen to him and went ahead with my preps any way...

oz in sc | 02-26-2009 11:52 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Perhaps some sort of physical barrier along the border would help....:wink:

ohioarmedneutrality | 02-26-2009 11:58 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by oz in sc (Post 1595195) Perhaps some sort of physical barrier along the border would help....:wink:
A barrier consisting of flying lead projectiles might work.

Bx3 | 02-26-2009 11:58 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Or perhaps holding the report....propagandists personally responsible for their lie campaign. They are just as legit as TPTB.

Ares | 02-26-2009 12:07 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban This will be interesting to see what New Hampshire and Montana do if this Ban passes. They've made it pretty clear they do not want their 2nd Amendment rights trampled on.

oz in sc | 02-26-2009 12:08 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Ares (Post 1595222) This will be interesting to see what New Hampshire and Montana do if this Ban passes. They've made it pretty clear they do not want their 2nd Amendment rights trampled on.
I hope those two states start a movement to simply ignore the federal government....

vector03 | 02-26-2009 12:10 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoden (Post 1595189) ...and the Mexicans search relatively few cars and trucks going south across their border.
You have a problem with high power weapons being smuggled into your country and you search "relatively few cars and trucks"?

renegade_01 | 02-26-2009 12:12 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban HOW DOES ONE GO ABOUT FINDING THESE GOONS HOME ADDRESS? I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD CREATE LISTS OF THE RESPECTIVE "LOCALS" AND KEEP TABS ON THEM. WE CAN REEK HAVOK IF NEED BE.:wink:

BikerJon | 02-26-2009 12:12 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Ares (Post 1595222) This will be interesting to see what New Hampshire and Montana do if this Ban passes. They've made it pretty clear they do not want their 2nd Amendment rights trampled on.
It's my understanding that there is noting to "pass" Since the law is already on the books it only takes an executive order to re-enforce the law. The President could sign this anytime he sees fit. At least the way I understand it from another thread on here somewhere. edit: couldn't find it here, but a google search turned this up. http://forum.pafoa.org/national-11/4...lt-rifles.html "Engel added that returning to enforcement of the imported assault weapons ban is “a no-brainer that would require no legislative action.”"

latitude22 | 02-26-2009 12:22 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Are we going to start cutting all the branches off trees if mexicans start sharpening them and impaling people?

Ares | 02-26-2009 12:23 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban BikerJon, Executive Order or not, Montana and New Hampshire have resolutions that they haven't passed, but if Barry goes through with this, and signs an executive order it could strengthen the resolve of these 2 states setting in motion of states rights. Hopefully others will follow.

ohioarmedneutrality | 02-26-2009 12:24 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban It is more than the importation of weapons into the U.S. It is the banning of sales of certain weapons in the U.S. which of course will lead to banning of ownership of certain weapons by Americans. Any grandfather clause is just a little sugar to sweeten the deal for Fudds and the like. King Knucklehead can make any kind of executive order he wants. Doesn't mean it will be obeyed.

Merlin | 02-26-2009 12:39 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by chad (Post 1594767) i'm with everybody else on the bullet issue. wtf is a cop killer bullet? i imagine i could kill a cop with a high power pellet gun if i hit him in the eye or something...
And, while we're at it, just exactly what is an assault weapon? Aren't all firearms potentially weapons to be used for assault? Is it the large capacity magazine? You can slip a new one into any semi-automatic pretty damn quick. Or is it the hand grip on a rifle that makes it nasty? Just what is it that makes it an assault weapon?

sirgonzo420 | 02-26-2009 12:42 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by latitude22 (Post 1595254) Are we going to start cutting all the branches off trees if mexicans start sharpening them and impaling people?
Speaking of trees, the Tree of Liberty is getting pretty damned thirsty. Just sayin'....

ohioarmedneutrality | 02-26-2009 12:43 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 1595286) And, while we're at it, just exactly what is an assault weapon? Aren't all firearms potentially weapons to be used for assault? Is it the large capacity magazine? You can slip a new one into any semi-automatic pretty damn quick. Or is it the hand grip on a rifle that makes it nasty? Just what is it that makes it an assault weapon?
According to the panty-wearing firearm-phobes, an assault weapon is anything that looks "scary" and "militaristic" and shoots "cop-killer rounds."

ohioarmedneutrality | 02-26-2009 12:44 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by sirgonzo420 (Post 1595291) Speaking of trees, the Tree of Liberty is getting pretty damned thirsty. Just sayin'....
+1 It's not just thirsy, it's literally crying for a drink.

randymatt | 02-26-2009 12:49 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by ohioarmedneutrality (Post 1595294) According to the panty-wearing firearm-phobes, an assault weapon is anything that looks "scary" and "militaristic" and shoots "cop-killer rounds."
.................................. http://www.2dayblog.com/images/2008/...5assault_2.jpg

Twisted Avatar | 02-26-2009 01:03 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by randymatt (Post 1595303) .................................. http://www.2dayblog.com/images/2008/...5assault_2.jpg
This is more like it........

chad | 02-26-2009 01:09 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1595341) This is more like it........
i thought chicks liked BIG magazines....

EE_ | 02-26-2009 01:18 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban http://www.sonofthesouth.net/revolut...berty-tree.jpg "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." Thomas Jefferson

meatman | 02-26-2009 02:21 PM
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End of Hope | 02-26-2009 04:36 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by ohioarmedneutrality (Post 1595294) According to the panty-wearing firearm-phobes, an assault weapon is anything that looks "scary" and "militaristic" and shoots "cop-killer rounds."
They are NOT "firearm-phobes" - they are communist thugs. They love firearms, and the power they represent, BUT ONLY FOR THEMSELVES. Not for you.

adking | 02-26-2009 04:46 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1594821) I'm sorry, but those are obviously dangerous & eeevil. If you'd just send them to me, I'd be glad to handle their proper disposal.:111:
:111::111::111::111::111:

Andy9999 | 02-26-2009 05:21 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts . .. .. From:?? Ed Chenel, A?police officer?in?Australia Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data?from?Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in? Australia ?were forced? by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing? Australia??taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now available: Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; Arm robberies?are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent); In the?state of? Victoria ?alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private ownership of a firearm was legal. (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in? Australia ?still possess their guns.) While data for?the?25 years preceding the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery?with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as?criminals now are assured?their victims will be unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in the mainstream? US ?media or?on the American evening news.???? Senator Obama who advocates a similar confiscation in the? US ?will not be reporting any of this to you. But, the Australian experience speaks for itself.???? Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect?only the law-abiding citizens. Americans may want to take note before it's too late!

CrufflerJJ | 02-26-2009 05:22 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban I'm just trying to be helpful. That's just the sort of guy that I am.:4_1_72:

Abouthadit | 02-26-2009 05:23 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1595341) This is more like it........
Yeah BABEE, that's what I'm talking about. Love the look in them eyes. cold don't F with me or mine. I'd date her. :36_1_32v:

latitude22 | 02-26-2009 05:59 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban I knew the ammo ban was coming, i figured they would just forget the rifle ban and make ammo impossible to get, afterall what good is a rifle without ammo. Obama is going to do this stuff now while he has the momentum, people would have lynched Bush if he suggested a 1.75 trillion dollar deficet, Obummer suggests it and it's the greatest idea to come down the line. Hes going to get this stuff done before people realize he's f'ing useless and yes i am going out on a limb suggesting they will realize it.

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Twisted Avatar | 02-26-2009 06:08 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by latitude22 (Post 1595983) I knew the ammo ban was coming, i figured they would just forget the rifle ban and make ammo impossible to get, afterall what good is a rifle without ammo. Obama is going to do this stuff now while he has the momentum, people would have lynched Bush if he suggested a 1.75 trillion dollar deficet, Obummer suggests it and it's the greatest idea to come down the line. Hes going to get this stuff done before people realize he's f'ing useless and yes i am going out on a limb suggesting they will realize it.
They will. BHO has 24-36 months in Power He will not see four years. This is gonna get bad. T

Beaker | 02-26-2009 06:18 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1596003) They will. BHO has 24-36 months in Power He will not see four years. This is gonna get bad. T
He wont see four years? Where do you guys come with this stuff at, seriously. I recall people on here saying Bush wouldnt leave office and would cancel the election too. :cry1:

Twisted Avatar | 02-26-2009 06:31 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker (Post 1596027) He wont see four years? Where do you guys come with this stuff at, seriously. I recall people on here saying Bush wouldnt leave office and would cancel the election too. :cry1:
Do you see the way how the market is melting down??? Do you see the way how the housing market is exploding??? Do you see how commercial retailers are folding like deck chairs?? Do you see how Jobs are evaporating like water on hot pavement?? Do you see the level of suicide that is occuring because people dont see a way out??? Do you see the level of debt this man is charging to our great, great grandchilderen?? Do you see the level of new taxes this man will impose on the producers?? Do you see what this man is going to do with the 2A??? The Jig is up........if you have childeren........buy time they are young adults you will tell them stories about America. Cause they will not be living in it. That may sound like B.S. But it is not..... The truth is America is a broke superpower that is in its twilight and the Other Nation are aware and They will finally begin to exact there revenge that has been 40+ years over due. B-Boy will either Resign, be overthrown or assinated. Watch and see. T

ohioarmedneutrality | 02-26-2009 06:39 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1596052) B-Boy will either Resign, be overthrown or assinated. Watch and see. T
A lot of people would pay real money to see King Klutz "ASSINATED." LOL Just giving you a hard time TA. This is one misspelling which is better than the intended word. And I agree with what you've said here.

End of Hope | 02-26-2009 06:45 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by ohioarmedneutrality (Post 1596066) A lot of people would see real money to see King Klutz "ASSINATED." LOL Just giving you a hard time TA. This is one misspelling which is better than the intended word. And I agree with what you've said here.
I understand Larry Sinclair, et. al., may have already "assinated" the Obamanation.

latitude22 | 02-26-2009 06:50 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by ohioarmedneutrality (Post 1596066) A lot of people would pay real money to see King Klutz "ASSINATED." LOL Just giving you a hard time TA. This is one misspelling which is better than the intended word. And I agree with what you've said here.
LOL you should patent that TA.

Blorp | 02-26-2009 07:03 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1596052) assinated.
That is when you don't seem 'em coming and they "get you from behind". :moon: Just funnin' ya! I maek typos too. *and yeah that was intentional*

Beaker | 02-26-2009 07:09 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1596052) Do you see the way how the market is melting down??? Do you see the way how the housing market is exploding??? Do you see how commercial retailers are folding like deck chairs?? Do you see how Jobs are evaporating like water on hot pavement?? Do you see the level of suicide that is occuring because people dont see a way out??? Do you see the level of debt this man is charging to our great, great grandchilderen?? Do you see the level of new taxes this man will impose on the producers?? Do you see what this man is going to do with the 2A??? The Jig is up........if you have childeren........buy time they are young adults you will tell them stories about America. Cause they will not be living in it. That may sound like B.S. But it is not..... The truth is America is a broke superpower that is in its twilight and the Other Nation are aware and They will finally begin to exact there revenge that has been 40+ years over due. B-Boy will either Resign, be overthrown or assinated. Watch and see. T
Actually the market is improving, the dollar is at a 3 year high as we speak. I am not saying things are good but it will get better. The predictions of doom and gloom of some around here will not happen in our lifetime. It will all come crashing down at some point but not yet, within a year it will be business as usual and all these predictions of imminent disaster are going to look silly. As for the other stuff you say about our President, I am not going to get in to that. Nobody knows what the future holds, but I am pretty sure we will have 8 years of Obama, good or bad I do not know. Find happiness right now and live for today.

latitude22 | 02-26-2009 07:10 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Blorp (Post 1596129) That is when you don't seem 'em coming and they "get you from behind". :moon: Just funnin' ya! I maek typos too. *and yeah that was intentional*
Yea I think 99% of my topic edits are from reading a post after I make it and trying to figure out what the hell I was trying to say, missing words and typos.

omegaman | 02-26-2009 07:16 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1594724) You have barely enough to be DEFENSE READY. You need at least another six to be BATTLE READY. You need at least fifteen to be a HARD CORE PATRIOT. You need thirty plus to be an OFFICIAL DEATH DEALER. Select your level of commitment and move your @ss like there is no tommarow. TAKE ACTION NOW OR TAKE CHANCES LATER. T
Thats B.S. I fear a poor hillbilly with one old rifle much more than any couch potato with a closet full.

Bill843 | 02-26-2009 07:23 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban I am not fond of Obama's political position but Obama is not the problem, Congress is. Quote:
Originally Posted by latitude22 (Post 1594935) That's a great way to get a whole crowd of people mowed down with..... well ar15's
I don't mean it quite that literally. Many people are spending their money for ar15's, when it is exactly the wrong weapon for an oppressed citizenry to buy. A pistol is going to be way more useful than a rifle, and a gun with a caliber that can be effectively silenced is going to be way more useful than one that's very loud. An AR15 is a military and police weapon. Many "regular people" think that this automatically makes it good to have for themselves, and that just isn't true. It works for the military and police due to their advantages of greater numbers of combatants and practically unlimited equipment support. If you expect to be fighting the military and police, you will not have the advantages of greater numbers of combatants and basically unlimited equipment support. -end-

latitude22 | 02-26-2009 07:31 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill843 (Post 1596174) I am not fond of Obama's political position but Obama is not the problem, Congress is. I don't mean it quite that literally. Many people are spending their money for ar15's, when it is exactly the wrong weapon for an oppressed citizenry to buy. A pistol is going to be way more useful than a rifle, and a gun with a caliber that can be effectively silenced is going to be way more useful than one that's very loud. An AR15 is a military and police weapon. Many "regular people" think that this automatically makes it good to have for themselves, and that just isn't true. It works for the military and police due to their advantages of greater numbers of combatants and practically unlimited equipment support. If you expect to be fighting the military and police, you will not have the advantages of greater numbers of combatants and basically unlimited equipment support. -end-
yea if you are only going to have one gun a handgun is the way to go, i haven't really factored fighting the gov't into my scenario I'm arming myself more along the lines of defending my base camp.

Heimdhal | 02-26-2009 08:11 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban TA, if i had room in my sig, I'd quote you on that: TA Says: "Mark my words..Obama will be 'Assinated!'" All fear the assinator!

thomaspaine | 02-26-2009 08:33 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban :4_1_72: Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker (Post 1596143) Actually the market is improving, the dollar is at a 3 year high as we speak. I am not saying things are good but it will get better. The predictions of doom and gloom of some around here will not happen in our lifetime. It will all come crashing down at some point but not yet, within a year it will be business as usual and all these predictions of imminent disaster are going to look silly. As for the other stuff you say about our President, I am not going to get in to that. Nobody knows what the future holds, but I am pretty sure we will have 8 years of Obama, good or bad I do not know. Find happiness right now and live for today.
Please expect a visit from the DEA soon, because what you are smoking is not legal...... Gm - possible bankrupt AIG - split up CDS backstopped by US gov Citi - increased gov ownership (40% common?) Banks still have not cleaned up their books. Unemployment increasing. .Gov selling bonds like there is no tomorrow. Eastern European countries looking like they'll go into sovereign default. RBS announces biggest loss in UK history ~40Billion, puts 400Billion into gov protection. When the dominoes in Eastern Europe start to fall, the problems will IMO spread to Western Europe, Then UK, Then Us..... So Yeah things will be getting better.....

Igotyour6 | 02-26-2009 08:43 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1594970) Yup........ The French Resitence had a one shot pistol called "The Liberator". The idea was it allowed you to get close enough to a German sentry for a head shot. With that you would then strip him of his rifle, gun and supplies.
http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/ that is all I have to say about that

ohioarmedneutrality | 02-26-2009 08:50 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by thomaspaine (Post 1596279) :4_1_72: Please expect a visit from the DEA soon, because what you are smoking is not legal...... Gm - possible bankrupt AIG - split up CDS backstopped by US gov Citi - increased gov ownership (40% common?) Banks still have not cleaned up their books. Unemployment increasing. .Gov selling bonds like there is no tomorrow. Eastern European countries looking like they'll go into sovereign default. RBS announces biggest loss in UK history ~40Billion, puts 400Billion into gov protection. When the dominoes in Eastern Europe start to fall, the problems will IMO spread to Western Europe, Then UK, Then Us..... So Yeah things will be getting better.....
+1 Anybody who doesn't see severe trouble rolling down the pike is either blind or ignorant. We don't know exactly when the levee will break, but it will, and it won't be "8 years" from now.

<SLV> | 02-26-2009 08:53 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Picked up 3 Rock River stripped lowers and a stack of 30-rd. magazines this morning ($145 for the lowers, $19 for the mags). Unfortunately I stopped at Wal-Mart on the way home and forgot to lock my car -- they were gone when I returned. Drat. :mad_m:

Satyr | 02-26-2009 08:59 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1595044) Like I give a rip...... The Majority will do as they are told and quietly board the FEMA trains. All I care about is finding the 5% who think ,understand,realize what is at stake and are COMMITED to doing something about it . When I am with them..........I will be in the REAL Majority.
Soneone once said, "If three men start a militia, you can bet that one of them is a federal agent."

Satyr | 02-26-2009 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by oz in sc (Post 1595195) Perhaps some sort of physical barrier along the border would help....:wink:
You mean like..... 300 miles of fencers?!? http://www.utahfencing.org/image_man...le_fencers.jpg

sirgonzo420 | 02-26-2009 09:10 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1596316) Picked up 3 Rock River stripped lowers and a stack of 30-rd. magazines this morning ($145 for the lowers, $19 for the mags). Unfortunately I stopped at Wal-Mart on the way home and forgot to lock my car -- they were gone when I returned. Drat. :mad_m:
Same thing happened with all my guns. Damned wal-mart parking lot! I'm thinking about getting a slingshot -- I'll just cross my fingers and hope Obama won't mind. (I promise I won't give any slingshots to mexicans, BTW) .

CyberGold | 02-26-2009 09:26 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban "For urban guerrilla warfare you step out of the crowd, shoot once quietly, and then step back into the crowd." What will happen is the 'authorities' will yell for everyone to hit the deck - and either the perp will be the only one standing/running or else everyone on the ground will be rounded up and searched.

mike77777 | 02-26-2009 10:00 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban "shall not be infringed" and signature line. having a firearm available has prevented two robbery assaults on my person in 58 years on earth. unlike the prez, i do not travel in an armored vehicle with a contingent of machine gun toting guards.

Steel Blue | 02-26-2009 11:36 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by ohioarmedneutrality (Post 1595207) A barrier consisting of flying lead projectiles might work.
Claymore mines maby????

harper | 02-27-2009 01:08 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban anyone have a good pic eric holder with his security detail... or surrounded by one. that would be PR gold

Ronnie Mexico | 02-27-2009 03:38 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1594724) You have barely enough to be DEFENSE READY. You need at least another six to be BATTLE READY. You need at least fifteen to be a HARD CORE PATRIOT. You need thirty plus to be an OFFICIAL DEATH DEALER.
I can't really see the thrill in killing people or the prospect of people making lose beloved family members.

morganchaser | 02-27-2009 04:07 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by randymatt (Post 1595303) .................................. http://www.2dayblog.com/images/2008/...5assault_2.jpg
Very pretty girl. Friend of yours? :biggrin:

morganchaser | 02-27-2009 04:23 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill843 (Post 1596174) I am not fond of Obama's political position but Obama is not the problem, Congress is. I don't mean it quite that literally. Many people are spending their money for ar15's, when it is exactly the wrong weapon for an oppressed citizenry to buy. A pistol is going to be way more useful than a rifle, and a gun with a caliber that can be effectively silenced is going to be way more useful than one that's very loud. An AR15 is a military and police weapon. Many "regular people" think that this automatically makes it good to have for themselves, and that just isn't true. It works for the military and police due to their advantages of greater numbers of combatants and practically unlimited equipment support. If you expect to be fighting the military and police, you will not have the advantages of greater numbers of combatants and basically unlimited equipment support. -end-
Truth. Stockpile: Nagant m1895s, .308 to .223 plastic sabot cups, tungsten and .223 drill bits, machine pulled SS109 bullets/M855 AR-15 ammo, .32 bullets, a tap and die set, a drill press, steel pipe, steel wool, window screen, sheet metal, and washers. You can make a KGB special that will leave CSI scratching their heads for $100 a pop. You Tube
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Keep 6 spent .32/.223/whatever(subsonic?) cases with you from the range(same gun) in a plastic bag, minding that the velocity of a revolver won't make a rifle wound. Might be a good idea to start your brass collections now, before nobody is rich enough to leave the stuff on the ground.

Twisted Avatar | 02-27-2009 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Ronnie Mexico (Post 1596811) I can't really see the thrill in killing people .
I dont have a thrill for any of this........ trust me when I say many here would rather be chasing a love interest or planing a long wanted family vacation. But the truth of the matter is..... There are people out there who have a plan for what it is you are going to do and they will be very agressive in enforcing that policy up to and including the use of lethal tactics. So if that is case The only question is......... WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT??. I said this before each person needs to make up there mind RIGHT NOW about what they plan to do when the moment of truth comes, cause brother it is coming. T

platinumdude | 02-28-2009 09:01 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4835694.shtml Mexico blames the U.S. for arming the world's most powerful drug cartels, a complaint supported on Friday by a U.S. government report that found nearly all of Mexico's escalating drug killings involved weapons from north of the border. President Felipe Calderon and his top prosecutor told The Associated Press on Thursday that Mexican police and soldiers are dangerously outgunned because U.S. authorities are failing to stop the smuggling of high-powered weapons into Mexico. Calderon has complained for two years that the U.S. isn't carrying its weight in the cross-border drug war, despite the fact that American drug users fuel the problem. "We need to stop the flow of guns and weapons towards Mexico," President Calderon told AP. "Let me express to you that we've seized in this two years more than 25,000 weapons and guns, and more than 90 percent of them came from United States, and I'm talking from missiles launchers to machine guns and grenades." President Barack Obama's administration is beginning to respond. On Wednesday, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder promised to enforce a long-ignored ban on importing assault weapons, many of which are re-sold illegally and smuggled into Mexico to resupply the cartels. Calderon applauded Holder's announcement saying it was the first time in many years that the American government was starting to show more commitment. When the U.S. enforced the assault weapons ban, only 21 percent of the weapons Mexico seized from traffickers were assault rifles, Eduardo Medina Mora, Mexico's Attorney General said. Today, it is more than half, and law enforcement officials are paying with their lives - some 800 have been killed in the past two years. Both Medina Mora and Calderon said the U.S. should aggressively enforce its gun laws and pressure sellers to keep weapons in the hands of law-abiding citizens.

randymatt | 02-28-2009 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1600165) "Let me express to you that we've seized in this two years more than 25,000 weapons and guns, and more than 90 percent of them came from United States, and I'm talking from missiles launchers to machine guns and grenades."
So maybe they will stop selling this stuff at Wal*Mart, Big-5 and JI Joes .....:dontknow:

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morganchaser | 02-28-2009 09:39 PM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban Takes a lot of balls for Mexico to be asking us favors when they virtually encourage illegal immigration.

Twisted Avatar | 03-01-2009 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by morganchaser (Post 1600239) Takes a lot of balls for Mexico to be asking us favors when they virtually encourage illegal immigration.
Yeah..........we will enforce our Gun Laws when you start to enforce your Immigration Laws. FAIR IS FAIR IS FAIR. T

morganchaser | 03-01-2009 02:06 AM
Re: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban I wanna know what part of 18 USC 922R supposedly isn't being enforced. Gun owners self regulate themselves on the issue. http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/922.html

Twisted Avatar | 03-01-2009 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by morganchaser (Post 1600601) I wanna know what part of 18 USC 922R supposedly isn't being enforced. Gun owners self regulate themselves on the issue. http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/922.html
That IS the problem. T

Phaedrus | 03-01-2009 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1594724) You have barely enough to be DEFENSE READY. You need at least another six to be BATTLE READY. You need at least fifteen to be a HARD CORE PATRIOT. You need thirty plus to be an OFFICIAL DEATH DEALER. Select your level of commitment and move your @ss like there is no tommarow. TAKE ACTION NOW OR TAKE CHANCES LATER. T
Your posts are over-the-top useless drivel. All caps, thick/large font, all the time - always dramatically alarmist with no meaningful content. 20,000+ of them in a year and a half. I've put up with far too many for far too long. Welcome to my permanent ignore - one of two - GotGoldies being the other.

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