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illuminate10 | 09-24-2009 12:45 AM
Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? This is the 1911 I want to get because I'm in "Cali" and cannot get the Combat Elite. :thumpdown http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=139196003 I'm basically looking at selling my Rem. 870 and Chinese sks and 1000 rounds 7.62x39 to basically cover the costs because FRN's are hard to come by right now. Being in "Califrownia", we can't get much colts just a couple 1911's and 1991's. The best out of the ones we can get looks to be the XSE. I'm seriously blinded by desire for a colt, so I need some outside objective yay or nay on following thru. I have another 12 ga. but not another rifle in that caliber. Have another 45 and looking for more "combat" type handguns to hold onto. Figured being in highly populated areas there won't be much use for a really high caliber rifle or long arm(can't take them out with you), but will need the handguns if/when the zombies come out after the green back submerges. Not thinking mad max more like Argentina 2001. What am I missing something??

Kregener | 09-24-2009 12:49 AM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? You are completely off your rocker if you do this. Sorry.

SilverCity | 09-24-2009 01:04 AM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? You would be trading TWO "go to" firearms for ONE that will hopefully get you to them. Keep the 870 and SKS. Save your money for a good pistol. A Colt 1911 would not be my first choice. Reasons: Colt and low mag capacity. If you must have a 1911, have a look at the Wilson Combat line. Beats Colt, IMO. Or get a Glock 21. You could almost get two for that $940. BTW, Ferfal is a big fan of HIGH MAG CAPACITY. Sorry you're in CA. Move. I did. Good luck.

mick silver | 09-24-2009 01:22 AM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? Quote:
Originally Posted by illuminate10 (Post 1937290) This is the 1911 I want to get because I'm in "Cali" and cannot get the Combat Elite. :thumpdown http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=139196003 I'm basically looking at selling my Rem. 870 and Chinese sks and 1000 rounds 7.62x39 to basically cover the costs because FRN's are hard to come by right now. Being in "Califrownia", we can't get much colts just a couple 1911's and 1991's. The best out of the ones we can get looks to be the XSE. I'm seriously blinded by desire for a colt, so I need some outside objective yay or nay on following thru. I have another 12 ga. but not another rifle in that caliber. Have another 45 and looking for more "combat" type handguns to hold onto. Figured being in highly populated areas there won't be much use for a really high caliber rifle or long arm(can't take them out with you), but will need the handguns if/when the zombies come out after the green back submerges. Not thinking mad max more like Argentina 2001. What am I missing something??
with the gangs you guys have out there i would keep the stuff i have

farscott | 09-24-2009 09:28 AM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? After owning most of the 1911 brands, including Wilson Combat, I would suggest getting the Colt 1991 model for the following reasons: 1) Really good value for the money. A $1000 1991 is 95% of a $2500 Wilson CQB. 2) No front cocking serrations to rasp leather holsters. 3) The XSE has a lot of bells and whistles, but the parts are fit poorly. Take a look at the grip safety fit to the frame tangs on the XSE. You might as well stick with the GI configuration. 4) Standard high-visibility sights that do not hang over the slide or use unusual slide cuts. 5) Colt is still using a forged slide and frame, and the barrel is a good barrel. 6) Since the 1991 is CA-approved, you can save for one instead of selling your current weapons.

SilverCity | 09-24-2009 10:24 AM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? Owned a few '91s. Are they $1000 now? Yikes. Avoid the Officers Model even if its free. Springfield Armory Mil Spec offers good value. Objective review: http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/C...Mil%20Spec.htm But it's still only a 1911...I would rather own a Glock 21 or Sig P220.

Doge | 09-24-2009 11:08 AM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1937739) Owned a few '91s. Are they $1000 now? Yikes. Avoid the Officers Model even if its free. Springfield Armory Mil Spec offers good value. Objective review: http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/C...Mil%20Spec.htm
SA Mil Specs are ridiculous. The are just as good, if not better, than other brand's "high end" 1911s. Quote:
But it's still only a 1911
"Still only"? Yeah it's still only a 1911...which has been around for a century and stronger than ever.

SilverCity | 09-24-2009 12:22 PM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? 1911s have a following. Just not with me. Owned too many over the last 30 years. Single action autos are passe, IMO. Fine for target or range. Cocked and locked? Give me a break. I'll take "point and shoot" anyday...

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 09-24-2009 12:29 PM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? I have a Colt 1991A1 that I carry (I have a CA CCW permit). No malfunctions or FTFs, ever - I love it!!

SilverCity | 09-24-2009 01:54 PM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? My prejudices aside, if the 1991A1 works for you, fine. That is the most important factor. SC

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 09-24-2009 01:58 PM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? I don't take it as a prejudice, just a preference. Handguns are like underwear: it's a very personal choice of what works best for each individual, and we're all different. 7

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 09-24-2009 03:33 PM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? I would also keep the working longguns esp if you have ammo. Another handgun will come in due time. Wait it out.

Roadgold | 09-24-2009 04:34 PM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? Quote:
Originally Posted by illuminate10 (Post 1937290) This is the 1911 I want to get because I'm in "Cali" and cannot get the Combat Elite. I'm basically looking at selling my Rem. 870 and Chinese sks and 1000 rounds 7.62x39 to basically cover the costs because FRN's are hard to come by right now. Being in "Califrownia", we can't get much colts just a couple 1911's and 1991's. The best out of the ones we can get looks to be the XSE. I'm seriously blinded by desire for a colt, so I need some outside objective yay or nay on following thru. [
Don't do it I live in Nor Cal and I just ordered 6 frames 3 different ones for combat Arms theses will work fine and for just a few pieces of silver. http://goldismoney.info/forums/showt...light=Ordnance

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 09-24-2009 05:58 PM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? As someone who lives in the city I can tell you a lot of people own pistols but very few have a shotgun or rifle.

Abouthadit | 09-24-2009 06:11 PM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? You use your handgun to fight your way back to your rifle. Don't trade. Keep the SKS and 870 and save for the 1911. You should be able to get a SA Mil-spec for about 4 bills, yes?

illuminate10 | 09-24-2009 11:26 PM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? Alot of the responses is why I like posting here. Thank you everyone. I will hold my long arms. :bear_thumb:

farscott | 09-25-2009 07:28 AM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1937935) Single action autos are passe, IMO. Fine for target or range. Cocked and locked? Give me a break. I'll take "point and shoot" anyday...
May I ask why you think that? When shot on a timer under stress, there is nothing faster than a cocked and locked 1911, and the single-action trigger is a huge reason that the 1911 has the following it does. It makes shooting accurately easier and faster. S&W even offered the 945 as a way to allow their competitive shooters a chance against all of the 1911 shooters. BTW, the 945 is a really nice cocked-and-locked single-action pistol. The 1911 safety comes off instinctively as part of the draw, and it goes on as part of getting the gun back into the holster. I even swipe the safety off on those times when I am shooting another platform; that is how ingrained it is. I am currently training with the Glock platform, and it is a reliable and accurate shooter once the trigger feel is mastered. But I miss that thumb safety. I like the thumb safety as it eliminates a possible AD caused by getting a cover garment caught in the trigger guard while holstering the gun. On the Glock, that is an issue and there are reports of people shooting themselves while holstering their own weapon. The SIG decocker is quite nice, and my experience with the platform has been positive, other than an annoying tendency for the slides on the carbon steel models to rust. The Glock bore axis is also a bit higher than I would like, and the grip angle is wrong for someone with much 1911 experience. That is why my Glock was built on a CCF Raceframe with the 1911 back strap. For a new shooter, the stock Glock angle is fine as they have no things to unlearn. The SIG P220 actually feels nice in my hand once I get rid of the stock plastic grip panels. But the trigger, especially on the first shot out of the holster, sucks compared to a 1911, and my splits show it. I carry a five-inch steel 1911 every day, and cocked and locked works just fine. I am comfortable with 8 rounds (seven in the magazine and one in chamber) in the 1911 versus 14 in the Glock 21 as I practice mag changes, and the thin 1911 magazine is quite comfortable on my weak side. The P220 has the same basic magazine capacity as the 1911. It is also a a lot easier to conceal the flat 1911 than the blocky Glock 21 or the P220. In every class I have ever taken, there are always 1911s and Glocks as they are the two current exemplars. Believe it or not, there are as many gun issues with Glocks as there are with 1911s in those classes. In my experiences, shooters do not have issues in classes. Gun owners who are not shooters have all of the problems. I admit I like the 1911. I have been carrying one or another of them for well over twenty years.

SilverCity | 09-25-2009 11:39 AM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? The 1911 single action pistol is still widely popular among handgun afficionados. Back in "the day" a Colt 1911 was the about the only .45 combat pistol around worth owning. Everybody wanted one, of course, and just about every gunsmith specialized in custom tuning the 1911. You would pay $450 retail for a new Colt Govt model or Commander, but still had to modify it for more reliable use...taller sights, throated barrel, opened ejection port, trigger job, a longer trigger, extended slide release, etc. By the time you were done, you had a $1000-1200 pistol. Today you can get all those features and more, now CNC machined parts. Just about EVERY gun maker offers one or more models to choose from...a very competitive market for a very popular pistol. Prices to match features. Yes, they are capable of very fine accuracy, fine triggers, and with practice can be very effective combat pistols. Over the years I have owned several models and worn out a few...Colt, Kimber, Springfield, Nowlin Custom, to name some. Shot a couple of them to the point of wearing out parts, like extractors, ejectors, springs. Decided I didn't trust the reliability after a certain point in their service life...like after about 5000 rounds. Little irritating glitches, finicky mags, ammo sensitivity, etc. It seemed to me that I was constantly tweaking something, replacing this or that...and I began to lose the love for them. I also didn't really like carrying "cocked and locked" to be combat ready. I wanted something I could trust for longer practical service life, minimum maintenance, easy to work on myself, cheap parts, something I could run dirty and rely on in SHTF with no chance of gunsmithing services for extended period of time. For the above stated reasons, I walked away from them and I have come to appreciate the the Glock pistol for all the above reasons and a few more like low initial cost, light weight, parts interchangeability, variety of calibers, double action only (point and shoot). Yes I know they are ugly, don't fit everyones hands, are partly made of plastic, etc., but I love them for their utility, have come to realize what they are to me...a "tool" and today I own a toolbox full of them. Maybe they are not for everyone but they suit me just fine. Best of luck to you, Farscott SC

farscott | 09-25-2009 01:02 PM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? SilverCity, Thanks for thoughtful reply. I especially liked this part. Quote:
I wanted something I could trust for longer practical service life, minimum maintenance, easy to work on myself, cheap parts, something I could run dirty and rely on in SHTF with no chance of gunsmithing services for extended period of time.
The funny thing is that I think about the 1911 in the same manner. The design does disassemble easily, but, I will admit, not as easily as a Glock. Still I, as a hobbyist, can work on a properly set up 1911 with few or no issues. 1911 parts are fairly cheap, and there are not too many that one really needs. I keep spare springs, extractors, sights, firing pins, and hammers. For my Glock, I keep much of the same type of parts, except for hammers. I did have to add the firing pin channel sleeves so it is a wash. Part of my feeling on the 1911 reliability might be that I stick with the five-inch guns and avoid the issues associated with the decreased slide travel of the smaller guns. Not to say that I have not learned that lesson about the smaller guns the hard way. I went through a few Baer Stingers before I got it right. Another part of my feeling is that the Glock is just a bit big for my hand and fingers. No doubt on the cost differential. For every one of my 1911s, one could buy five or more Glocks. My usual carry cost right at $4000. I may just do that, buy five Glocks, as your point is excellent. Thanks again.

45 ACP | 09-26-2009 01:55 PM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? Not that I have any guns, or precious metals for that matter, or live in California. But if I did, I would have an SKS, an 870, a Glock 21 and a Glock 30. Oh yeah, and a Ruger .22lr. A little something for whatever might come my way. You are correct in you assessment of wanting combat tools. Good on you for keeping your current inventory of tools. Save up and get a good combat pistol. I prefer Glocks, but many like XD's and others. Buy what works for you hands and your shooting temperament.

Juandisimo | 09-26-2009 03:32 PM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? Quote:
Originally Posted by Kregener (Post 1937293) You are completely off your rocker if you do this. Sorry.
I must agree. Having owned both a Colt gold cup and a 400 $ Springfield armory 1911 I can honestly say there is NO difference in the way the 2 shoot. I invested 170 $ in sights for the Springfield and sold the gold cup.

elroy | 09-27-2009 12:47 AM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? I bought the Springfield over a Colt on the advice of a friend that builds 1911 race guns for competitive shooters. I don't know much about the quality of Rock Island 1911s but locally you can buy a new one for $360.

FiftySense | 09-27-2009 01:06 AM
Re: Sks and "Remy" 870 for 1911 (colt)? Quote:
Originally Posted by illuminate10 (Post 1939076) Alot of the responses is why I like posting here. Thank you everyone. I will hold my long arms. :bear_thumb:
You have made a wise choice. Your SKS alone will be superior to all the handgun wielding thugs who would take to the streets in a disaster situation.

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