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Mone | 10-06-2008 09:34 PM
Rock salt shells Some old timers were telling me about how they'd scare off sh*t disturbers with shells full of rock salt. The target lived, but hurt like hell. Are these commercially available anywhere? If not how's it done? Any stories/ experiences with rock salt and shotguns? Tia.

still afloat | 10-06-2008 09:48 PM
Re: Rock salt shells Round here they would open the crimp on a shotgun shell , dump the shot and repack it with rock salt and bacon rind and press the crimp back down.Would usually just break the skin and burn like crazy on the rear end of who ever or what ever they shot it at .The bacon rind was to hold the salt together for distance and a good pattern, without it the salt is too light.

SilverCity | 10-06-2008 09:49 PM
Re: Rock salt shells 1 Attachment(s) Rock salt could be lethal at close range...or at least have serious liability issues. If you are going to shoot someone, you had better be able to prove you were in fear for your life. And what if they shoot back in self-defense? In court they, not you, would appear justified... To scare someone away (not recommended), shoot blanks, or maybe something like this: FIOCCHI AMMUNITION Rubber Buckshot and Slugs Fiocchi 12 Ga. 2 3/4" 15 Pel. Rubber Shot Less lethal, rubber shotgun rounds from Fiocchi. SPECIFICATIONS: Mfg Item Num: 12LERBK Category: AMMO SHOTSHELLS Gauge :12 GA Type :Rubber Buckshot Length :2 3/4" Ounces :15 Pellets Shot Size :Buckshot Muzzle Velocity :790 fps Rounds/box :25 Rounds Per Box, 10 Boxes Per Case Drams :Max

still afloat | 10-06-2008 09:53 PM
Re: Rock salt shells Speaking of the old timers , another trick they used round here was to take the old 12 ga paper shells and cut a circle round the shell just at the bottom of where the shot met the wad .Cut it almost all the way through , but not fully just a thin layer of paper to hold it together .When fired it would come out like a slug instead of shot .

Mone | 10-06-2008 09:55 PM
Re: Rock salt shells Taking notes... thanks. Non lethal info is great.

SilverCity | 10-06-2008 09:55 PM
Re: Rock salt shells 2 Attachment(s) Non-lethal wildlife control...

CyberGold | 10-06-2008 10:18 PM
Re: Rock salt shells Those rubber shot are for prison and riot control - of no use to civilians. Shooting someone is not to be taken lightly. If you have to pull the trigger you should have the intent to permanantly stop their actions. I don't believe in shooting to wound. If you knee cap them they will own everything you have or will earn from that moment on. Rock salt was used back in the day when people were far less enboldened, less drugged up and less violent. Back THEN it was enough to know old Mr. So-nSo kept rock salt loaded. Today its different. I load up with 00 buck although #1 buck is often said to be more effective.

low_five | 10-06-2008 10:44 PM
Re: Rock salt shells ive seen rock salt shells at the gun show back in Texas. They were clear so you could see the rock salt in there.

Mill Man | 10-07-2008 12:17 AM
Re: Rock salt shells I've seen rock salt loads sold at the guns show I go to up here in WA state as well, but If I'm aiming at a human target it will be with the intent to stop what I feel is an immediate threat to my life with deadly force. Unless you think there is an immediate threat to your life (including family members) you should not be pulling the trigger and if there is an immediate thread why would you use rock salt? Remember too, people die from "less than lethal rounds". The first even that pops to my mind (barring tazings) is a female bystander after a red sox game in boston that was hit with a rubber bullet in the eye and died a few years ago. Just my 2 copper clad zinc pieces worth.

StackerKen | 10-07-2008 12:52 AM
Re: Rock salt shells my Dad was a cop and he always said. "if you point a gun at someone, you better plan on shooting them, And if you shoot someone, you better plan on killing them" Or something like that

Maddie | 10-07-2008 09:34 AM
Re: Rock salt shells I remember a couple of my high school classmates coming to school on a Monday after getting shot in their backsides with rocksalt while toilet papering someone's yard the previous Saturday. They were hurting so badly they could barely sit down for several days, and of course, everyone was laughing at them, including the teachers, who told them they'd gotten what they deserved. The guys' parents had grounded them and read them the riot act, too. These days their parents would probably sue the old guy who shot them.

wallew | 10-07-2008 03:42 PM
Re: Rock salt shells Rock salt is now passe... If you HAVE to use your shotgun, consider instead using Traderken's icon. Well, actually NOT silver dimes, but cheapo 'sandwich' dimes. I believe you can get about 15 of them in before having to crimp on 2 3/4" shells. Trust me, best $1.50 you will ever shoot. MAKES A MESS OF THINGS IN A HURRY.

igorthesmall | 10-07-2008 04:36 PM
Re: Rock salt shells Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 1340414) Rock salt is now passe... If you HAVE to use your shotgun, consider instead using Traderken's icon. Well, actually NOT silver dimes, but cheapo 'sandwich' dimes. I believe you can get about 15 of them in before having to crimp on 2 3/4" shells. Trust me, best $1.50 you will ever shoot. MAKES A MESS OF THINGS IN A HURRY.
Not really http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot35.htm

Ag_man | 10-07-2008 04:47 PM
Re: Rock salt shells Quote:
Originally Posted by traderken (Post 1338924) my Dad was a cop and he always said. "if you point a gun at someone, you better plan on shooting them, And if you shoot someone, you better plan on killing them" Or something like that
My Dad told me the exact same thing. "Less than lethal" ammo is a really stupid idea, just lawsuit bait. Use of firearms to scare, intimidate or to wound is a quick ticket to the graybar hotel, or a civil courtroom. I've only aimed a firearm at a person once and was in fear of my life (did not fire) and I would be very happy if I never if I never had to again.

mtnman | 10-07-2008 05:11 PM
Re: Rock salt shells If you have to use your firearm for self-defense there should only be one story to tell, Yours.

Heimdhal | 10-07-2008 05:20 PM
Re: Rock salt shells Quote:
Originally Posted by igorthesmall (Post 1340530) Not really http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot35.htm
Thanks for posting that, i love that site. It also proved exactly what I thought would be the outcome of the dime pack. Why waste 15 dimes per round when you can just get already loaded buckshot ;) Round heavy balls do better that flat, light washers any day ;) in fact, heres something to think about. Instead of using dimes, why not find washers that are the same size and give them a try? Probably mess the barrel up a bit, but might be fun :P

Saul Mine | 10-07-2008 06:46 PM
Re: Rock salt shells http://theboxotruth.com/ Actual test results. Conclusion: Useless.

Mone | 10-07-2008 08:18 PM
Re: Rock salt shells Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 1339568) I remember a couple of my high school classmates coming to school on a Monday after getting shot in their backsides with rocksalt while toilet papering someone's yard the previous Saturday. They were hurting so badly they could barely sit down for several days, and of course, everyone was laughing at them, including the teachers, who told them they'd gotten what they deserved. The guys' parents had grounded them and read them the riot act, too. These days their parents would probably sue the old guy who shot them.
Apparently if your classmates had messed with a GIM'mer they'd be dead.

StackerKen | 10-07-2008 09:00 PM
Re: Rock salt shells Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1340618) If you have to use your firearm for self-defense there should only be one story to tell, Yours.
+1 Yep, That would make things Much More simple.

igorthesmall | 10-08-2008 08:47 PM
Re: Rock salt shells I watched the TV show "Supernatural", and apparently rock salt shells are great for shooting ghost! (If you believe in that stuff)

Mone | 10-08-2008 09:07 PM
Re: Rock salt shells Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Mine (Post 1340815) http://theboxotruth.com/ Actual test results. Conclusion: Useless.
But they never read this thread... :D Quote:
Originally Posted by still afloat (Post 1338443) Round here they would open the crimp on a shotgun shell , dump the shot and repack it with rock salt and bacon rind and press the crimp back down.Would usually just break the skin and burn like crazy on the rear end of who ever or what ever they shot it at .The bacon rind was to hold the salt together for distance and a good pattern, without it the salt is too light.
I talked to the old cantankerous dude... he said to send you over and he'll show you 30 yards.

Agamemnon | 10-08-2008 11:24 PM
Re: Rock salt shells For phycological effects, nothing quite like several subsonic 22 rounds buzzing overhead. The high velocity big rifle ammo has a pop-zing sound at the instant it reaches overhead (faster than sound) but the 22 has the screaming zinging as it approaches and zips past the target. The intruders will know for sure they stumbled on a "hornet's nest" ... .

still afloat | 10-08-2008 11:43 PM
Re: Rock salt shells Quote:
Originally Posted by Mone (Post 1344292) I talked to the old cantankerous dude... he said to send you over and he'll show you 30 yards.
I can see 30 yards , problem is i also see a 10+ foot spread at that range . Wider if you shoot into the wind . The irregular shape , size and weight just won't get you the range with any remotely tight pattern . Load some up yourself , with just rock salt and then with rock salt and the bacon rind and do your own test on the distance and pattern , you'll see I'm right . :coolbeer:

Worldmariner | 10-11-2008 08:23 AM
Re: Rock salt shells Quote:
Originally Posted by still afloat (Post 1338455) Speaking of the old timers , another trick they used round here was to take the old 12 ga paper shells and cut a circle round the shell just at the bottom of where the shot met the wad .Cut it almost all the way through , but not fully just a thin layer of paper to hold it together .When fired it would come out like a slug instead of shot .
I used to open the crimps and take out the rock salt and put in 11, 30 caliber lead balls.. Ooops, I guess that makes military "OO" Buck loads! *smile*

Maddie | 10-11-2008 09:58 AM
Re: Rock salt shells Quote:
Originally Posted by Mone (Post 1341058) Apparently if your classmates had messed with a GIM'mer they'd be dead.
Lol! One thing about southern boys, they did practice good situational awareness. They'd always ask if my daddy had a shotgun before we blew off curfew. :biggrin:

wallew | 10-11-2008 10:57 AM
Re: Rock salt shells NOW FOR THE REAL TRUTH FROM 'BOX OF TRUTH'. Lessons learned: 1. Dimes are much too light in weight and un-aerodynamic to fly very far, no matter how fast they are started. 2. They do not spread out as much as some expected. 3. Dimes do not penetrate enough, even at close range, to reach the vital organs of a goblin and STOP a fight. 4. It only costs about $1.60 a shot to have some fun shooting stuff with dimes. UH, HELLO!!! What was the OP on this THREAD? USING ROCK SALT. MY SUPPOSITION WAS ROCK SALT IS 'OLD SCHOOL' (passe). I suggested DIMES. Box O' Truth SUPPORTS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. It is a 'less than lethal' choice, JUST LIKE ROCK SALT. Look at the Box O' Truth posted. At a close range (12 feet), IT WILL MAKE A MESS OF SOMEONE WITHOUT KILLING THEM. THAT WAS MY WHOLE POINT. And I don't know about you, but inside MY HOUSE, most rooms are 12 x 12 (with the exception of our TV room at the front of the house). If you live in an apartment, chaces are DIMES ARE A PERFECT LOAD FOR YOU, without putting your neighbor at risk. THERE ARE TIMES A LESS THAN LETHAL LOAD IS A GOOD THING. Yes, it costs $1.60 to shoot, but when you can recover most of what you shot that price drops. AGAIN, this was strictly a 'less than lethal' thread. All of a sudden, some of you want to bring this into a 'one shot, one kill' category. You want to use a shotgun as a 'one shot, one kill' thing, LOAD UP DOUBLE OUGHT BUCK. Or TRIPLE OUGHT BUCK. THAT WAS NOT THE POINT OF THIS THREAD. And SOMETIMES, not killing someone is WHAT YOU WANT. Tough to 'gather intel' from a dead perp, yes?

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 10-11-2008 05:31 PM
Re: Rock salt shells Unban Mone : (

Unclad Lad | 10-19-2008 01:56 AM
Emeril says "BAM!" PFFFFT!!! Salt is so old school. Garlic and paprika are so much better! http://www.seasonshot.com/ :coolbeer:

nunya | 10-31-2008 11:34 PM
Re: Rock salt shells Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNocturnalEgyptian (Post 1351879) Unban Mone : (
Why was Mone Banned?

Twisted Avatar | 11-01-2008 01:23 AM
Re: Rock salt shells :banghead: Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberGold (Post 1338536) Those rubber shot are for prison and riot control - of no use to civilians. Shooting someone is not to be taken lightly. If you have to pull the trigger you should have the intent to permanantly stop their actions. I don't believe in shooting to wound. If you knee cap them they will own everything you have or will earn from that moment on. Rock salt was used back in the day when people were far less enboldened, less drugged up and less violent. Back THEN it was enough to know old Mr. So-nSo kept rock salt loaded. Today its different. I load up with 00 buck although #1 buck is often said to be more effective.
BINGO!!! In this super litigous society the lawyers will be bending around the corner to represent that prick to snatch everything you have. In this day and age THE CRIMINALS ARE ALLOWED TO BE VICTIMS TOO:banghead::banghead: When you decided to shoot It is to stop the threat........ PERMENATELY. So When you go to trial the only version of events will be the one YOU recall nobody and the prosecution will have a dickens of a time trying to refute what you said. T

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luft97 | 11-01-2008 01:30 AM
Re: Rock salt shells Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1390470) : In this day and age THE CRIMINALS ARE ALLOWED TO BE VICTIMS TOO:banghead::banghead: When you decided to shoot It is to stop the threat........ PERMENATELY.
Agreed, not only from a legal standpoint. But if TSHTF and a guy shoots some punk with rock salt that was trying to steal and he gets away you think he might come back for a little revenge? I can guarantee he won't be shooting rock salt....

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 11-11-2008 05:12 PM
Re: Emeril says "BAM!" Quote:
Originally Posted by Unclad Lad (Post 1366886) PFFFFT!!! Salt is so old school. Garlic and paprika are so much better! http://www.seasonshot.com/ :coolbeer:
That is just hilarious...reloading with seasoning...

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