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Rahm_Emmanuel | 12-03-2008 12:52 AM
Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment The comments are entertaining.....:wink: Time for Leagues to Do Something About Players With Guns By John Feinstein Special to The Washington Post Monday, December 1, 2008; 12:32 PM The New York Giants won an important football game yesterday, throttling the Washington Redskins 23-7 on the Redskins' home field. The victory raised New York's record to 11-1, all but assured the Giants of a division title and put them in excellent position to wrap up home-field advantage for the NFC playoffs. Of course, the lead story in all the New York papers today had nothing to do with the Giants' victory. The New York Times, hardly known for sensationalism, led its sports page with the following headline: "Burress to Surrender to Authorities." That's because Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress walked into a New York nightclub on Friday night carrying a gun and somehow managed to shoot himself in the leg. News reports indicate he wasn't licensed to carry the firearm. Burress already had a hamstring injury in the same leg, which was going to keep him out of Sunday's game. But apparently, he felt no need to stay off the leg and rest so that he might be able to play this coming week in another key game against the Philadelphia Eagles. The easiest thing in the world today would be to focus on what a moron Burress is. He's a moron for allegedly carrying an unlicensed gun into a crowded bar, endangering himself and others. He's a moron because he signed a five-year, $35 million contract at the start of this season and then was suspended for one game for failing to show up for practice and team meetings -- and not bothering to tell anyone. But that really isn't the issue. Athletes say stupid things (ever hear of John Rocker?) and do stupid things (this list is endless) all the time. The real issue -- once again -- is athletes and guns. The most interesting and chilling quote of the weekend came from Giants President John Mara, who spoke about the Burress incident before Sunday's game and about players and guns. "Players, for whatever reason feel the need to carry guns," Mara said. "It's not something we're particularly pleased about, but that is the choice that they make. You'd like to think that most of them are licensed to do that, but I'm not sure that's always the case." Most likely, it is not the case more often than not. Burress reportedly had an expired license to carry a gun in Florida, but not New York or New Jersey, where he lives. If he felt he was unsafe going to the New York club two questions arise: Why go there? And, if you think you need protection wherever you go, at $7 million a year, why not hire bodyguards? This isn't about safety, it is about arrogance. The fact that Burress, according to Giants General Manager Jerry Reese, hadn't returned his phone calls, tells you how arrogant he is. The sad part is, he'll get away with what he did. He's already hired a high-powered lawyer who yesterday asked people to withold judgment "until the facts come out." What facts? Did he not carry a gun he wasn't licensed to carry into a crowded bar? Please. Before this is over, Burress will not only get off but he'll have people painting him as some kind of victim. Consider this quote from Giants center Shaun O'Hara: "He's a teammate and there's going to be enough people trying to bring him down. We're here to support him." Fine, support him. But the only person who brought Burress down was Burress. At the root of incidents like this is a simple fact: athletes -- and many others -- own guns not because they feel unsafe, but because they like them. They like owning them and talking about them. When the PGA Tour announced that random drug testing in players' homes was possible, Frank Lickliter, a long-time tour player -- and hothead -- responded by saying that drug testers make house calls would be greeted by him -- and one of his guns. Most players thought that was a hoot, old Frank would sure show the Tour, shooing drug testers off his property with a gun. The rest is here. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

GunNut | 12-03-2008 01:27 AM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment Molon Labe GN

Glass | 12-03-2008 01:36 AM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment gee long bows drawn all round. I know....... lets ban criminals from having guns.. that works for me. If the guy has an unlicensed gun then he is a criminal. it is very plain, it is very simple. As for owning guns that kill, you will find very very few legal gun owners who own "guns that kill". They may have guns that might kill people... if a criminal gets a hold of it, but lets face it... its an oldie but a goodie. guns don't kill people......you're a smart guy, I'll leave you to fill in the blanks.

AurumAg | 12-03-2008 02:03 AM
Respectfully, I must disagree... Quote:
Originally Posted by Glass (Post 1446052) ....... lets ban criminals from having guns.. that works for me. If the guy has an unlicensed gun then he is a criminal. it is very plain, it is very simple. As for owning guns that kill, you will find very very few legal gun owners who own "guns that kill". ...
Perhaps you meant to say something else, or I am unable to comprehend what you are saying, but I am hoping that I am mistaken. Guns scare many people, guns kill some people, but guns also help many people avoid violence. Bill of Rights Article 2 affords the right for ALL to be peacefully armed, and Common Law requires that the use of violence be justified. Unless this football player used or otherwise terrorized person(s) with his gat, then no crime against persons was committed. Licensing is used as a control method in order to intimidate and disarm citizens, and certainly any individual who wishes to risk carrying in a gun-ban zone, will reap the consequences thereof, but that still does not make carrying a gun "illegal." I have the RIGHT to carry a firearm whenever and wherever I please, but I must be prepared to face the fact that most of the sheople do not understand my rights, and so a confrontation with LEOs is inevitable, especially in a crowded urban center. This is another argument for state's rights, in that those individuals who wish to peacefully exercise their Article 2 right may need to move to a more gun-friendly zone.

Doge | 12-03-2008 02:11 AM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment Why am I not surprised by the author. Anyway.... Of course he is missing the biggest point of them all (on purpose in my opinion). The issue isn't about athletes or guns but something else....

Glass | 12-03-2008 02:17 AM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment I was talking about intent. Guns have no intent. Murder requires intent. Killing could be intentional or accidental. People with guns illegally have an illegal intent surely? As for common law rights, yes you do, we all do but as you pointed out we have to deal with people who do not know this including gun dealers, from whom we need to get our guns.. Of course maybe people carrying guns without a license are just common law men/women not really criminals. It puts a whole new light on the term "outlaw" for me.

Twisted Avatar | 12-03-2008 08:12 AM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment 1 Attachment(s) If he felt he was unsafe going to the New York club two questions arise: Why go there? And, if you think you need protection wherever you go, at $7 million a year, why not hire bodyguards? This isn't about safety, it is about arrogance. Who the @#$%^&* is this jackboot licker??? if I find him I promise to pistol whip his @$$ right across his face so when he is on the ground bleeding profusely and picking up smashed out teeth I will bend down, smile and tell him if you had a firearm I would have never been able to do this..... now go call 911 and see how long it is before the donut brigade shows up to file a report(thats if they show up .You probally have to go down to the department on your own dime) Then See how much effort they put into bringing me to "Justice" HAHAHHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

meatman | 12-03-2008 08:48 AM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment another idiot love to read all the comments left for him even with a conceal carry no going into bars ( at least in FL) to all the women in that bar that night when you said is that a gun in your pants or are you just happy to see me. It was a GUN!!!

hangman | 12-03-2008 06:00 PM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment Glass, tell me, what makes a handgun "illegal"? Only laws and those laws already conflict with the Constitution. Like all taxation is theft, all gun control laws repugnant to the Constitution are null and void. See Marbury vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, ( 1803)

Glass | 12-03-2008 07:25 PM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment Quote:
Originally Posted by Glass (Post 1446096) Of course maybe people carrying guns without a license are just common law men/women not really criminals.
Quote:
See Marbury vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, ( 1803)
I don't think you can quote that in a court these days. See: Erie vs. Thompkins 1938 . But we wouldn't want to be in their court anyway would we?

Worldmariner | 12-03-2008 07:38 PM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment Quote:
Originally Posted by Rahm_Emmanuel (Post 1445997) The comments are entertaining.....:wink: Time for Leagues to Do Something About Players With Guns By John Feinstein Special to The Washington Post Monday, December 1, 2008; 12:32 PM At the root of incidents like this is a simple fact: athletes -- and many others -- own guns not because they feel unsafe, but because they like them. They like owning them and talking about them. When the PGA Tour announced that random drug testing in players' homes was possible, Frank Lickliter, a long-time tour player -- and hothead -- responded by saying that drug testers make house calls would be greeted by him -- and one of his guns. Most players thought that was a hoot, old Frank would sure show the Tour, shooing drug testers off his property with a gun. The rest is here. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
Ah yes, once again we have the media calling for the 2nd Amendment to be abolished... and it might just happen with the group of socialist, freedom/personal responsibility hating politicians we have in office now... Well, the only way to combat these Socialist politicians and media members is through politics and political action at the greassroots level. We need more people to write to their Member of Congress (that means your elected Representative to the House of Representatives. Their job is to listen to the citizenry) when anti-2nd Amendment legislation rears it's ugly head. By "more people" I mean **YOU**, the reader. "You" need to register to vote, "You" write to your elected officials, "You" join pro-second amendment organizations, like the GOA and the NRA. "You" need to go to local government meetings and voice your opinions. Many many forum posters seem to be the paranoid wall flower "I don't want my name on a list! I am not even registered to vote!" types... They wring their hands about what is happening, but they want SOMEONE ELSE to do the dirty work and take a chance, speak up, write the letters, cast the votes, and yet reap the rewards. If you are one of these types, (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!) you need to remember this: If you have ever filled out a Form 4473, trust me, you are in a database. If you are a member of GOA or the NRA, trust me, you are in a database. If you have ever registered to vote, trust me, you are in a database. If you have a driver's license, trust me, you are in a database. If you use your SSN to earn income, trust me, you are in a database. If you ever used your credit card to buy gun parts or ammo, you are in a database. If you were ever in the military... well you get the idea... keyed in on your name and DOB. Cross referenced with your SSN. If you are too cowardly to stand up and be counted, to make your voice heard, what will you do with your gun when tyranny arrives? I mean, you already know that you are a coward, so what will you do? Take your super secret gun and go shoot someone in a blue helmet? I think not. We know what you will do. You will whisper about the Good Ol Days and hope that "someone else" does something, while you let your super secret gun rust in it's super secret hiding place, and be angry and post angry messages on forums about how somebody "should have done something". (Pardon me a moment whilst I vomit) That "someone" is **YOU**. Get off your ASS and start DOING something about it, and posting messages on forums is NOT action! It is talk. Being a member on a website like www.righttokeepandbeararms.com is nice, and well meaning, and a fantastic resource for ideas, BUT it is not TRUE ACTION; it is feel good action. Joining a website WILL NOT cause change. Writing letters and being politically active is what causes change. Better idea: Buy as many firearms as you want. Give them as gifts! Register as many SBR's and suppressors as you can, join EVERY pro gun lobby group you can, and learn how to start grass roots legislation. Urge your friends to get CCW permits and to buy guns, including assault rifles. Take them shooting and let them burn through a box of your ammo. Turn them on to firearms. Get them re-acquainted with personal responsibility. Get them going in the right direction. Turn America BACK INTO a gun culture and freedom culture and personal responsibility culture. THAT is how to beat DHS, Napolitano, Clinton, an increasing militarized police force (anyone else notice that trend??), other anti-firearms groups, and generally "The Fed". The Feds just follow the rules. If the rules change, so do they. They are like the Borg. They are guys, most... smart, but not brilliant, that are working away at a Federal retirement, doing their job. If the rules change tomorrow and allow everyone to own an unregistered suppressor, believe me, the hour the legislation passes, they will stop activity related to suppressors. Most of those ATF guys (that I know anyway) are not rabidly anti-gun. Most all of them own firearms themselves. They are just following the rules. They do not get cash bonuses for finding illegal guns, such as the IRS agents receive for "recovering" "lost" revenue from recalcitrant tax payers. (Everyone here knows that, right? The IRS guys get a slice of the recovered money as an "on the spot cash award". THAT is why the IRS guys are so rabid. They are motivated by greed) If you are offended by reading this post, then YOU are PROBABLY the guy this post is aimed at! Soapbox Rant Complete. Thanks for reading! -WorldMariner

Worldmariner | 12-03-2008 07:42 PM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1446295) If he felt he was unsafe going to the New York club two questions arise: Why go there? And, if you think you need protection wherever you go, at $7 million a year, why not hire bodyguards? This isn't about safety, it is about arrogance. Who the @#$%^&* is this jackboot licker??? if I find him I promise to pistol whip his @$$ right across his face so when he is on the ground bleeding profusely and picking up smashed out teeth I will bend down, smile and tell him if you had a firearm I would have never been able to do this..... now go call 911 and see how long it is before the donut brigade shows up to file a report(thats if they show up .You probally have to go down to the department on your own dime) Then See how much effort they put into bringing me to "Justice" HAHAHHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
Help my dense self out here... tell me again WHY a person would even bother to file? Just leave. Great foto Twist. That is sick. Can I steal it from here to use as a desktop wallpaper? :D

DrillAndFill | 12-03-2008 08:43 PM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment BTW, I have heard absolutely nothing about the NRA or the GOA offering legal help or legal advice to this guy? Where are they?

Twisted Avatar | 12-03-2008 08:59 PM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldmariner (Post 1447682) Help my dense self out here... tell me again WHY a person would even bother to file? Just leave. Great foto Twist. That is sick. Can I steal it from here to use as a desktop wallpaper? :D
Anything I dig up is fair game........ nothing makes me more happy then to see my pics in circulation:ok: T

Twisted Avatar | 12-03-2008 09:02 PM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment Quote:
Originally Posted by DrillAndFill (Post 1447801) BTW, I have heard absolutely nothing about the NRA or the GOA offering legal help or legal advice to this guy? Where are they?
They are too,too busy practicing there pacification speeches when they role over like beached whales when AWB PT2 gets implemented. T

CQC McDuck | 12-03-2008 09:12 PM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment I'm pretty sure that the Second Amendment makes no reference to hunting, which means that this propagandist is writing to bias, mislead, and misinform readers. I hate to break it to him, but more laws and regulation doesn't always equal more compliance. The attempt to prohibit alcohol consumption at the federal/constitutional level proved this.

flying | 12-04-2008 02:19 AM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldmariner (Post 1447677) Soapbox Rant Complete. Thanks for reading! -WorldMariner
Good Post :ok:

mick silver | 12-04-2008 02:41 AM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment are they not laying people off , be may be just maybe , they will close the doors up , people need to stop buying papers from company like this an we can see how long there in business after that

mk3hunter | 12-04-2008 08:12 AM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment we need to be aggressive with him. He wants to take away my RIGHT to protect myself from crime and bad govt......Maybe we should take away his ability to talk. I tired of "americans" wanting to take away other Americans protected Rights........thats how fights...bad ones...are started. back off Feinstein........with a name like Feinstein......you would think the 1940's would have taught him something.:36_1_30:

The Argent Dragon | 12-04-2008 08:44 AM
Re: Oh boy, Washington Post Columnist Advocates Abolishing the Second Amendment Playerz with Gunz ?!?! ........I think we should ban the playerz :ok:

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