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BikerJon | 03-20-2010 05:37 PM
KelTec PMR-30 Kel-Tec Announces New .22WMR Handgun, the PMR-30 http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=842 I've always wanted a FN Five-seveN, but this is much cheaper. I might have to get one if the reviews are good once it's released. Your thoughts?

hystckndle | 03-20-2010 07:02 PM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 Thanks Biker, I am going to go and check on of those out this next week. All I have for a .22 handgun is a HighStandard. Regards, Haystackneedle

Horn | 03-20-2010 08:00 PM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 Always loved that cartridge, had a Winchester lever action with it. Would be a nice little kicker in a pistol.:ok:

Ag_man | 03-20-2010 08:53 PM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 When I first read the CTD article, I thought "What a great idea! 30 rounds of .22 WMR in a cool looking pistol" But then, reality set in. .22 WMR is much more expensive than .22LR and it really isn't a defensive round in my world. So what you get is a high-cap plinker that's expensive to feed. I like .22WMR in a rifle, it is good for small game hunting, an in-between from .22LR and the smaller centerfire cartridges, like the .22 Hornet.

Lamentations | 03-20-2010 09:21 PM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 I would much rather them produce this in 22lr, then I might consider one.

chud | 03-20-2010 09:29 PM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 I'm not real familiar with the difference between .22 WMR and .22 LR. Those who prefer the latter, what pistol do y'all like for .22 LR? Btw, I have a Keltec P32 and love it, it's a great gun for concealed carry. I'm sure this will be a nice product.

Horn | 03-20-2010 10:44 PM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 Problem with 22lr is the bulkness of mass production & feed back. The cartridge is typically crap to chamber & feed back from fire is non-existent to rechamber. As always, the perfect cartridge (somewhere in between the two) never exists...but a properly tuned Keltec in this caliber should be interesting & trusty.

hoarder | 03-20-2010 10:47 PM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 A 22 magnum with a 4.3" barrel? Might as well have a .22LR. http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/pmr30.htm

Horn | 03-20-2010 10:53 PM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 2236130) A 22 magnum with a 4.3" barrel? Might as well have a .22LR.
I know why, it so you can go throw a thousand or rounds of lead into a paper target, and then search around for your keys to pluck that sideways round stuck in the the chamber every fifth shot.:cry1:

hoarder | 03-20-2010 11:22 PM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 Quote:
Originally Posted by Horn (Post 2236143) I know why, it so you can go throw a thousand or rounds of lead into a paper target, and then search around for your keys to pluck that sideways round stuck in the the chamber every fifth shot.:cry1:
A thousand rounds of .22 magnum would be pretty expensive. I think it goes for 20 cents a round these days. In a rifle the extra velocity is worth it to some squirrel hunters to extend their range, but in a handgun why bother? Kel-Tec makes ugly, lightweight, inexpensive well engineered plastic firearms. If they made a .22LR pocket pistol I'd buy it.

Horn | 03-20-2010 11:25 PM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 2236184) Kel-Tec makes ugly, lightweight, inexpensive well engineered plastic firearms. If they made a .22LR pocket pistol I'd buy it.
Heh, you leave me very little to pluck amongst. Give me a Dremmel and a Keltech firearm & it's happy days again.:23_31_2:

hoarder | 03-20-2010 11:38 PM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 Quote:
Originally Posted by Horn (Post 2236194) Holy chit!!! where have I been? Had a do a double post when that fully registered.... are they still as crappy little slugs as they ever were? I remember diggin around droppin those things in the dirt by the fistfull ten years ago.
22 magnum has always been 4 to 5 times as expensive as 22LR. I don't know why. Many people have purchased 22 magnum firearms not knowing this.

Horn | 03-20-2010 11:49 PM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 There really is no comparison between the quality though. Every WMR is finely crafted to carry the long tried and trusted reputation of Winchester.:spam4: I remember selecting the rounds with the tiny little plastic tips on them for full target decimation...:bear_tongue:

Horn | 03-21-2010 12:01 AM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 1 Attachment(s) Choice is obvious, we're talking Bunker Busters as opposed to Katuscha here.:wavey:

mk3hunter | 03-21-2010 12:20 AM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 oleg has been doing photo shoots for the company for a while http://olegvolk.livejournal.com awesome gun ( but my money is in the 17HMR) you just know the double stack 22 is coming!!!!!

CrufflerJJ | 03-22-2010 09:04 AM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 1 Attachment(s) Back to the future! The PMR30 appears to be an updated version of the Grendel P30, which also held 30 rounds of .22 mag.

tulsamal | 03-22-2010 10:33 AM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 Quote:
Back to the future! The PMR30 appears to be an updated version of the Grendel P30, which also held 30 rounds of .22 mag.
Yep! I used to look at the Grendel P30's at gunshows. Intriguing idea. The only reason I didn't ever get one was that they had a reputation for not being reliable. If the new one can be as reliable as a Ruger MKII in .22 LR, I'll buy one. I can't agree that "the short barrel means you might as well stick with .22 LR." You will get MUCH higher velocities out of that handgun than you would with a .22 LR. True, they won't be rifle barrel velocities but they will be effective. And the bullets themselves are much more capable than simple lead .22 LR bullets. I can't think of a serious "use" for one in my hands. But for a small woman or teenager who just can't deal with recoil? As I said, I'll wait for the reviews. If they work, I'll buy one just because it is different! Gregg

hoarder | 03-22-2010 10:51 AM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 Quote:
Originally Posted by tulsamal (Post 2238079) I can't agree that "the short barrel means you might as well stick with .22 LR." You will get MUCH higher velocities out of that handgun than you would with a .22 LR. True, they won't be rifle barrel velocities but they will be effective.
That's the principle behind the 357 magnum. I don't deny that it is more powerful than a 38 special, just that the increase in noise and blast is so great that it negates most of the benefits. A slower, heavier catridge design would be more appropriate for a short barreled handgun.

tulsamal | 03-22-2010 08:07 PM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 2238109) That's the principle behind the 357 magnum. I don't deny that it is more powerful than a 38 special, just that the increase in noise and blast is so great that it negates most of the benefits. A slower, heavier catridge design would be more appropriate for a short barreled handgun.
I would expect this new pistol design to have less muzzle and side blast than a 4" revolver. And I have experience in that area. I have a NAA Mini Master. Four inch barrel, two cylinders, one in .22 LR, one in .22 WMRF. I practice and plink with it in .22 LR. Like at a floating horse apple in the pond. You hit it several times, you get a feel for the reaction of the apple and the water. You switch cylinders and hit another one with .22 WMRF and you notice a difference RIGHT NOW. Granted, I'm not shooting either one without muffs but I never notice much of a difference in sound or recoil. There is _some_. The Magnums crack and pop backwards a bit faster. But it isn't the difference between .38 Special and .357 Magnum. The difference "on target" is impressive. When I carry that gun as a BUG, I use the Magnum cylinder. If the Kel-Tec is 100% reliable, it would make for an interesting home defense gun for a smaller person or one with low recoil tolerance. Follow up shots would be very fast. .22 WMRF wouldn't be my first (or second) choice for self defense but even a big guy would have trouble taking a dozen of them in the chest and walking away. And that would still leave you with 2/3's of a mag for his friends. Gregg

Horn | 03-22-2010 09:54 PM
Re: KelTec PMR-30 Quote:
Originally Posted by tulsamal (Post 2238834) .22 WMRF wouldn't be my first (or second) choice for self defense but even a big guy would have trouble taking a dozen of them in the chest and walking away. And that would still leave you with 2/3's of a mag for his friends. Gregg
Also, one of those weapons that could be targeted with complete confidence from a handstand position, or cartwheel... I've seen people with 1911s stand 12 feet from a target with both feet on the ground, in a perfected shooters stance (2 hands wrapped) and miss completely.:bear_happy:

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