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Black Blade | 06-22-2008 12:17 AM
OC Questioned In Wyoming! 1 Attachment(s) We have had a large influx of immigrants from the east and west coast occupied zones over the years, so it was bound to happen. Then today it finally happened! Today I came into town and went to the local Safeway to grab a couple of food items. While I was paying for purchases the tattooed and body-pierced young girl asked, “is that a taser?” while pointing at my hip. I said, “No, that’s my side arm”. She then said, “Why do you pack it?” I respond, “Because I can and always have”. She finally says.” I don’t think that should be legal”. I then follow up by saying, ”I don’t think self-mutilation should be legal either, but there it is”. The discussion ended quite sudden. Kalifornicans, don’t ya just love em’? Oddly enough, the Russian, Ukrainian and Indonesian kids that come here to work in our stores and McDonald's every Summer really dig it and think we're all "cowboys". I took a couple of the Latvian kids out to the gun club a couple years back. They were especially anxious to get their hands on the SKS and AK-47s.

Cassius | 06-22-2008 12:51 AM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! "Because criminals don't stay in the bad neighborhoods, and the cops only arrive in time to clean up the mess. I don't want that mess to be me."

buff01 | 06-22-2008 03:17 AM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1157113) We have had a large influx of immigrants from the east and west coast occupied zones over the years, so it was bound to happen. Then today it finally happened! Today I came into town and went to the local Safeway to grab a couple of food items. While I was paying for purchases the tattooed and body-pierced young girl asked, “is that a taser?” while pointing at my hip. I said, “No, that’s my side arm”. She then said, “Why do you pack it?” I respond, “Because I can and always have”. She finally says.” I don’t think that should be legal”. I then follow up by saying, ”I don’t think self-mutilation should be legal either, but there it is”. The discussion ended quite sudden. Kalifornicans, don’t ya just love em’? Oddly enough, the Russian, Ukrainian and Indonesian kids that come here to work in our stores and McDonald's every Summer really dig it and think we're all "cowboys". I took a couple of the Latvian kids out to the gun club a couple years back. They were especially anxious to get their hands on the SKS and AK-47s.
Don't blame it on California... stupid kids are everywhere! Educate them.

nub | 06-22-2008 03:35 AM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! Why didn't you shoot her ?

Black Blade | 06-22-2008 04:07 AM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! Quote:
Originally Posted by nub (Post 1157211) Why didn't you shoot her ?
heh heh... This is Wyoming after all. Considering that in this state we have drive up service windows at our liquor stores... who knows what might be considered "education". :9536:

eyeofliberty | 06-22-2008 09:56 AM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1157113) While I was paying for purchases the tattooed and body-pierced young girl asked, �is that a taser?� while pointing at my hip. I said, �No, that�s my side arm�. She then said, �Why do you pack it?� I respond, �Because I can and always have�. She finally says. "I don�t think that should be legal�.
"So what you're saying is, because you don't think an honest, law-abiding citizen should be able to protect themselves as they see fit, you would want a person with a legal monopoly on the use of force, such as a cop, to take my weapon away from me? Yes, then I could be a self-loathing, victim-mentality, entitlement-minded piece of human waste, just like you!" :banghead:

JJ_ | 06-22-2008 05:14 PM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! Quote:
Originally Posted by nub (Post 1157211) Why didn't you shoot her ?
Dood--- that was classic...... caught me off guard and had me rollin on the sofa here.

JJ_ | 06-22-2008 05:17 PM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 1157342) "So what you're saying is, because you don't think an honest, law-abiding citizen should be able to protect themselves as they see fit, you would want a person with a legal monopoly on the use of force, such as a cop, to take my weapon away from me? Yes, then I could be a self-loathing, victim-mentality, entitlement-minded piece of human waste, just like you!" :banghead:
:top: :congrats: :top: 2 thumbs up

Black Blade | 06-22-2008 05:31 PM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 1157342) "So what you're saying is, because you don't think an honest, law-abiding citizen should be able to protect themselves as they see fit, you would want a person with a legal monopoly on the use of force, such as a cop, to take my weapon away from me? Yes, then I could be a self-loathing, victim-mentality, entitlement-minded piece of human waste, just like you!" :banghead:
Yarrrr!!!! :haha:

Merlin | 06-22-2008 09:39 PM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! If you've paid for the permit (available to anyone who isn't a felon), it's legal in Indiana to carry a firearm either open or concealed. At the moment, if you pay the fee, you can get a lifetime permit in Indiana. I think I'll do that this week. Just because I can.

Prometheus | 06-22-2008 10:13 PM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 1158063) If you've paid for the permit (available to anyone who isn't a felon), it's legal in Indiana to carry a firearm either open or concealed. At the moment, if you pay the fee, you can get a lifetime permit in Indiana. I think I'll do that this week. Just because I can.
Indiana is a right to carry state. The statutes and laws are SILENT on open or concealed carry. Yes, open and concealed is legal with a LTCH -license to carry handgun-. I open carry all the time here in NW Indiana. Be forewarned that some areas you could get hassled, but it's completely legal with the LTCH. Also, keep in mind that cities can regulate carry on city owned property. For example while Hammond cannot bar or ban CC or OC in Hammond they do ban it in city parks and buildings. So when you do OC, just makes sure you know you are legal before you do it. Pretty easy here in IN because very few places are illegal to carry. Technically you can Open Carry into the baggage claim area of Indianapolis Airport and you're 100% legal.. just don't try and enter any "sterile areas" i.e. go thru any metal detectors :wink: www.indianagunowners.com and www.opencarry.org are around and you can read some stories on what people encounter while OC'ing. I've been OC'ing for about a year now, not a single negative encounter thus far.

Prometheus | 06-22-2008 10:15 PM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! BlackBlade: Take those encounters and try to educate. It maybe hard, but occasionally I think they see the light. While the self mutilation quip is funny as hell, it's better left until you've exhausted your niceties and tried to explain how slow and inept the police are.

Black Blade | 06-23-2008 01:13 AM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! Was back in again tonight and as usual no one noticed or cared. After nearly 30 years of wearing openly and where it is quite common to see others OC here three or four times a day, it was rather funny though. I know one older lady who thinks it funny that the fanny-pack and Bermuda short wearing Cali tourists freak out when they see OC in the stores and supermarkets. Or like the self-multilated young woman in the Safeway with metal things stuck in her nose, lips and eyes (hell, at least it wasn't a bone stuck through her nose and a wood plate in her lip). I have tended to bemuse myself watching them during the tourist season - it's almost like oogling carnival and circus freaks.

AZLiberty | 06-24-2008 02:14 AM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1157221) heh heh... This is Wyoming after all. Considering that in this state we have drive up service windows at our liquor stores... who knows what might be considered "education". :9536:
Now now, here in AZ we have drive up combination liquor/gun stores. :wink: Well, at least there is one in Coolidge.

Black Blade | 06-24-2008 02:31 AM
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107.8682 | 06-24-2008 04:55 AM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1157113) She finally says.� I don�t think that should be legal�. I then follow up by saying, �I don�t think self-mutilation should be legal either, but there it is�. The discussion ended quite sudden.
Hot damn, that is the come back of the week!!! :applause_:applause_

RossL | 06-24-2008 10:54 AM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! This article was in the Columbus newspaper a few months ago. Hilliard is a middle-class suburb. http://www.dispatch.com/live/content...U.html?sid=101 Everyone but felons Openly carrying gun not a crime Sunday, March 30, 2008 3:43 AM By Bill Bush THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH In the political tussle over Ohio's concealed-carry gun law, one fact seems to have been overlooked by many: You never needed a permit to carry a gun in public, and you still don't --- you just can't conceal it. As long as you haven't been convicted of a felony, if you want to wear a pistol on your belt or walk around town carrying a shotgun, Ohio has no law against it. But if you do, don't be surprised if you get some unwanted attention from police officers. Philip Turner, 30, discovered that in July when he walked from his Hilliard apartment to his parked truck wearing a gun on his belt. At the time, Turner worked protecting banks' ATMs as they were serviced and delivering diamonds to jewelry stores. An undercover agent with the Ohio Investigative Unit -- the police agency that enforces the state's alcohol, tobacco and food-stamp laws -- saw the gun and quickly ordered him against his truck with his hands on his head. "He came up and treated me like a felon for absolutely no reason at all," Turner said. "There wasn't even a suspicious action on my part to warrant him taking this action against me. Had I been out waving a gun around the parking lot, (then) yeah." After being detained for about 30 minutes, and after Hilliard police arrived at the agent's request, Turner was released without charges. An internal investigation that concluded this week found that neither Agent Timothy Gales, who had stopped Turner, nor his partner, Betty Ford, did anything wrong. However, it also revealed that Gales did not know it was legal for Turner to carry a gun openly, said Lindsay Komlanc, spokeswoman for the state Department of Public Safety. As a result, more than 100 agents in the unit are to attend a mandatory refresher course on Ohio's gun laws over the next couple of months, she said. They might be surprised at what's legal. The investigation report said that, weeks before Turner was stopped, agents stopped a 13- or 14-year-old boy who was carrying a rifle in public. They called his mother, who retrieved the gun. Then they called a supervisor to figure out what charge to file against the boy. The answer: nothing. The supervisor advised them that "it was their right to carry a gun openly and they were allowed to do this," according to the report. Ohio law says you can't sell a gun to people younger than 18 or provide them with one, except for "hunting, sporting or educational purposes," said Lt. Shawn Davis of the State Highway Patrol. A child must take a gun-safety course before going hunting, Davis added. It's not illegal "that we see" for a juvenile of any age to carry a gun in public, said Jennifer Brindisi, a spokeswoman for the Ohio attorney general's office. Turner, who has a license to carry a concealed gun, said he was carrying his gun openly "because it's my right. I choose to exercise my right to protect myself." He doesn't know whether the two agents pulled their guns; he was instructed not to face them. The agents told investigators they didn't. But it wouldn't be unreasonable for officers to draw their guns until they know what the situation is, said Sgt. Rich Weiner of the Columbus Police Division. "The first thing we need to address: This man has a gun," Weiner said. "We're going to pull our guns. "As a police officer, we also have the right to protect ourselves and protect the public, so we do have the right to disarm him momentarily. Now everybody is a little bit more at ease. We don't have a potential weapon being used against an officer or anybody else." If your open display of a firearm is causing panic, you could be charged with inducing panic, Weiner said. If you carry it onto private property, you could be charged with trespassing, he said. Komlanc of Public Safety wouldn't say why the agents and a police dive team were at Turner's apartment complex last July because the case is continuing.

RossL | 06-24-2008 11:04 AM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! The Buckeye Firearms Association responds to that article here: 7 years too late: Columbus Dispatch finally discovers open carry isn't a viable self-defense option for Ohioans http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/5572

Goldhedge | 06-24-2008 11:23 AM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! Quote:
Originally Posted by RossL (Post 1160498) "As a police officer, we also have the right to protect ourselves and protect the public, so we do have the right to disarm him momentarily. Now everybody is a little bit more at ease. We don't have a potential weapon being used against an officer or anybody else."
The assumption being that a 'Police Officer' is a legal officer of the law and not a person hired by a corporation known as the STATE to enforce State corporate law. No different than IBM hiring a rent-a-cop to do the same job. The Sheriff is the only 'legal' officer of the law. The police 'assume' that anyone other than themselves carrying a gun is violating the law and is putting them (the police) in danger. That's a terrible error in judgement.

honu5050 | 06-24-2008 11:57 AM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! (anything) made illegal means tptb the e$tablishment can control / profit on it "whatever" the product etc. like proabition.

Merlin | 06-25-2008 12:27 PM
Re: OC Questioned In Wyoming! Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 1158063) If you've paid for the permit (available to anyone who isn't a felon), it's legal in Indiana to carry a firearm either open or concealed. At the moment, if you pay the fee, you can get a lifetime permit in Indiana. I think I'll do that this week. Just because I can.
I went into the police station this morning to submit my application. While my current intention is not to carry (except maybe to the gun range for target practice), I can easily envision situations where the license would come in handy -- traveling into a bad neighborhood at night, stopped for any reason in my car and having to prove I'm on my way to/from the gun range, etc. More importantly, I've come to realize that we need to exercise our rights if we intend to keep them. So, licensed to carry I shall be; and, from time to time, I'll carry my firearm just because I can.

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