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Big_Rob | 11-08-2008 12:12 PM
Yes We Can...Ban Guns "Yes We Can . . . Ban Guns"--Obama Announces Gun Ban Agenda Before The Final Vote Count Is In Friday, November 07, 2008 Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign slogan, "the audacity of hope," should have instead been "the audacity of deceit." After months of telling the American people that he supports the Second Amendment, and only hours after being declared the president-elect, the Obama transition team website announced an agenda taken straight from the anti-gun lobby--four initiatives designed to ban guns and drive law-abiding firearm manufacturers and dealers out of business: "Making the expired federal assault weapons ban permanent." Perhaps no other firearm issue has been more dishonestly portrayed by gun prohibitionists. Notwithstanding their predictions that the ban's expiration in 2004 would bring about the end of civilization, for the last four years the nation's murder rate has been lower than anytime since the mid-1960s. Studies for Congress, the Congressional Research Service, the National Institute of Justice, the National Academy of Sciences, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found no evidence that gun prohibition or gun control reduces crime. Guns that were affected by the ban are used in only a tiny fraction of violent crime-about 35 times as many people are murdered without any sort of firearm (knives, bare hands, etc.), as with "assault weapons." Obama says that "assault weapons" are machine guns that "belong on foreign battlefields," but that is a lie; the guns are only semi-automatic, and they are not used by a military force anywhere on the planet. "Repeal the Tiahrt Amendment." The amendment--endorsed by the Fraternal Order of Police--prohibits the release of federal firearm tracing information to anyone other than a law enforcement agency conducting a bona fide criminal investigation. Anti-gun activists oppose the restriction, because it prevents them from obtaining tracing information and using it in frivolous lawsuits against law-abiding firearm manufacturers. Their lawsuits seek to obtain huge financial judgments against firearm manufacturers when a criminal uses a gun to inflict harm, even though the manufacturers have complied with all applicable laws. "Closing the gun show loophole." There is no "loophole." Under federal law, a firearm dealer must conduct a background check on anyone to whom he sells a gun, regardless of where the sale takes place. A person who is not a dealer may sell a gun from his personal collection without conducting a check. Gun prohibitionists claim that many criminals obtain guns from gun shows, though the most recent federal survey of convicted felons put the figure at only 0.7 percent. They also claim that non-dealers should be required to conduct checks when selling guns at shows, but the legislation they support goes far beyond imposing that lone requirement. In fact, anti-gun members of Congress voted against that limited measure, holding out for a broader bill intended to drive shows out of business. "Making guns in this country childproof." "Childproof" is a codeword for a variety of schemes designed to prevent the sale of firearms by imposing impossible or highly expensive design requirements, such as biometric shooter-identification systems. While no one opposes keeping children safe, the fact is that accidental firearm-related deaths among children have decreased 86 percent since 1975, even as the numbers of children and guns have risen dramatically. Today, the chances of a child being killed in a firearm accident are less than one in a million.

Zusn | 11-08-2008 12:28 PM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns Quote:
Obama says that "assault weapons" are machine guns that "belong on foreign battlefields,"
Well good. If they pass that law, I'll make sure to protest any police or military force carrying around "assault weapons" since they aren't on "foreign battlefields."

pusher | 11-08-2008 12:31 PM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling that things will be ok after the great american orgasm that took place this week, reminds me of that Merle Hagard song about free bubble up and rainbow stew. Well I probably lost most of you there already. pusher out.

Twisted Avatar | 11-08-2008 12:38 PM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns The hour of desicion will soon be upon us good friends. Choose well. T

elroy | 11-08-2008 12:41 PM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns Quote:
Originally Posted by pusher (Post 1404975) Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling that things will be ok after the great american orgasm that took place this week, reminds me of that Merle Hagard song about free bubble up and rainbow stew. Well I probably lost most of you there already. pusher out.
I haven't heard that in years. Obama will be pushing the free bubble up and rainbow stew for sure. Meanwhile I'm ordering more ammo.:s1:

blueice | 11-08-2008 12:57 PM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns Funny headline, Big Rob....

Lt Dan | 11-08-2008 12:58 PM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns But, but, but, the police do have full auto firearms, what about those. I have first hand knowledge of their full autos, I fired them, fondled them and slobbered all over myself wishing I could afford one for myself. Politicians = poli-tics = many blood sucking bugs!

GoldMaster | 11-08-2008 01:05 PM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns Quote:
Originally Posted by pusher (Post 1404975) Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling that things will be ok after the great american orgasm that took place this week, reminds me of that Merle Hagard song about free bubble up and rainbow stew. Well I probably lost most of you there already. pusher out.
I believe thats a Guy Clark song, Doesn't matter the American people are going to summit to the Government Thugs and that is all there is to it. Its hopeless, the most we can do is Bitch about it on a board until we are used to it. Then it will be normal living, A thing of the past.....

flying | 11-08-2008 02:01 PM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldMaster (Post 1405014) I believe thats a Guy Clark song, Doesn't matter the American people are going to summit to the Government Thugs and that is all there is to it. Its hopeless, the most we can do is Bitch about it on a board until we are used to it. Then it will be normal living, A thing of the past.....
With all due respect I think not You Tube
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Twisted Avatar | 11-08-2008 04:40 PM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns Hestons finest moment. Finest. T

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 11-08-2008 05:38 PM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns Don't gush over Heston too much. I sparred with him at length on Larry Elder's AM 790 radio program a couple of years ago over his "no one needs an AK-47" remarks. Around and around we went. I won't even go into his activism for the GCA of '68. Great actor, though...

Twisted Avatar | 11-08-2008 05:43 PM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns Well then let me quantify that by saying that PARTICULAR moment he was indeed fine. I see he waves in the breeze with the rest of em. T

buff01 | 11-08-2008 05:51 PM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns lol... they'll get his single shot hunting rifle out of his cold dead hands... what a joke. The bottom line is that NFA needs to be repealed. Let the government fear the citizens, as it should be.

StrawMan=Corporation | 11-08-2008 06:04 PM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns This Pic comes to mind. http://www.scottbieser.com/images/ak_heston_700.jpg Quote:
Originally Posted by buff01 (Post 1405439) lol... they'll get his single shot hunting rifle out of his cold dead hands... what a joke. The bottom line is that NFA needs to be repealed. Let the government fear the citizens, as it should be.

buff01 | 11-08-2008 06:06 PM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns LOL! good one man...

FreeMyLand | 11-09-2008 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1404957) "Yes We Can . . . Ban Guns"--Obama Announces Gun Ban Agenda Before The Final Vote Count Is In Friday, November 07, 2008 Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign slogan, "the audacity of hope," should have instead been "the audacity of deceit." After months of telling the American people that he supports the Second Amendment, and only hours after being declared the president-elect, the Obama transition team website announced an agenda taken straight from the anti-gun lobby--four initiatives designed to ban guns and drive law-abiding firearm manufacturers and dealers out of business: "Making the expired federal assault weapons ban permanent." Perhaps no other firearm issue has been more dishonestly portrayed by gun prohibitionists. Notwithstanding their predictions that the ban's expiration in 2004 would bring about the end of civilization, for the last four years the nation's murder rate has been lower than anytime since the mid-1960s. Studies for Congress, the Congressional Research Service, the National Institute of Justice, the National Academy of Sciences, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found no evidence that gun prohibition or gun control reduces crime. Guns that were affected by the ban are used in only a tiny fraction of violent crime-about 35 times as many people are murdered without any sort of firearm (knives, bare hands, etc.), as with "assault weapons." Obama says that "assault weapons" are machine guns that "belong on foreign battlefields," but that is a lie; the guns are only semi-automatic, and they are not used by a military force anywhere on the planet. "Repeal the Tiahrt Amendment." The amendment--endorsed by the Fraternal Order of Police--prohibits the release of federal firearm tracing information to anyone other than a law enforcement agency conducting a bona fide criminal investigation. Anti-gun activists oppose the restriction, because it prevents them from obtaining tracing information and using it in frivolous lawsuits against law-abiding firearm manufacturers. Their lawsuits seek to obtain huge financial judgments against firearm manufacturers when a criminal uses a gun to inflict harm, even though the manufacturers have complied with all applicable laws. "Closing the gun show loophole." There is no "loophole." Under federal law, a firearm dealer must conduct a background check on anyone to whom he sells a gun, regardless of where the sale takes place. A person who is not a dealer may sell a gun from his personal collection without conducting a check. Gun prohibitionists claim that many criminals obtain guns from gun shows, though the most recent federal survey of convicted felons put the figure at only 0.7 percent. They also claim that non-dealers should be required to conduct checks when selling guns at shows, but the legislation they support goes far beyond imposing that lone requirement. In fact, anti-gun members of Congress voted against that limited measure, holding out for a broader bill intended to drive shows out of business. "Making guns in this country childproof." "Childproof" is a codeword for a variety of schemes designed to prevent the sale of firearms by imposing impossible or highly expensive design requirements, such as biometric shooter-identification systems. While no one opposes keeping children safe, the fact is that accidental firearm-related deaths among children have decreased 86 percent since 1975, even as the numbers of children and guns have risen dramatically. Today, the chances of a child being killed in a firearm accident are less than one in a million.
Interestingly, the link to the new proposals for gun bans has been removed from Obama's Change.gov website: http://change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy/ It now says: The page you requested is not available right now. Perhaps they let the cat out of the bag too soon??

StrawMan=Corporation | 11-09-2008 10:36 PM
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ohioarmedneutrality | 11-09-2008 10:42 PM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns Not surprising. Good thing I copied and pasted into a word doc everything (and I mean everything) they had on the issues before they zapped it. Should I be expecting a visit from a representative of his Homeland Security Gestapo now that I have posted this?

Twisted Avatar | 11-09-2008 11:56 PM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns Keep buying everything right up til the day you cant find it anymore.

mk3hunter | 11-10-2008 01:49 AM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns Well.... then yes WE can -you know what- at politicians who raped the Bill of Rights.:36_1_30: The 2ndA is NOT about Hunting Deer. got history?

Twisted Avatar | 11-10-2008 07:32 AM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns Quote:
Originally Posted by mk3hunter (Post 1407647) Well.... then yes WE can -you know what- at politicians who raped the Bill of Rights.:36_1_30: The 2ndA is NOT about Hunting Deer. got history?
Dont tell the sheep that one. The messiah said it is all about picking off dear in the forest. Anything else you must be "looking for trouble" T

AG Capone | 11-10-2008 08:22 AM
Re: Yes We Can...Ban Guns Obama wasn't saying he'll bring "Change" He was saying "CHAINS", "I'll bring you CHAINS" :111:

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