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wille | 08-03-2008 01:13 PM
A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine 00buck--1000rds slugs12g.-1000 #6-1000 22-2000 308-500 223-1000 45-1000 clips in;45,223,308(if your 308 isnt your primary subsistance tool, Ruger22 Of course depends on your steel. To build the minimum without going overboard and invalidate the MINIMUM I may add #1(12g.) I think the amounts are OK so far. any input from the gallery?

gunner | 08-03-2008 01:17 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine You're a little heavy on the 12 gauge and light on the .308 IMO

wille | 08-03-2008 01:27 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine Quote:
Originally Posted by gunner (Post 1221294) You're a little heavy on the 12 gauge and light on the .308 IMO
Slugs are darn expensive; heres a revised listing; 00buck12g.-500rds slugs-500 #6-500 22-2000 308-1000 223-1000 45-1000 The focus is minimums . I was going to choose the #4 over the #6's but may be a little heavy for small game hunting. Hows it tweeking now?

elroy | 08-03-2008 01:32 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine From what I've read a 0000 is more effective than 00.

gunner | 08-03-2008 01:41 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine Quote:
Originally Posted by wille (Post 1221307) Slugs are darn expensive; heres a revised listing; 00buck12g.-500rds slugs-500 #6-500 22-2000 308-1000 223-1000 45-1000 The focus is minimums . I was going to choose the #4 over the #6's but may be a little heavy for small game hunting. Hows it tweeking now?
Seems pretty good to me. Within that list I would go with some top quality ammo in each caliber. Some ammo could be for practice, plinking, etc, the good stuff for a survival /SHTF situation. Include A.P. in .308 and .223, maybe a few hundred rounds of decent .22. A little incendiary might be good as well, get this stuff while you still can !! Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy (Post 1221312) From what I've read a 0000 is more effective than 00.
I would think the larger shot size would be better, but I honestly haven't researched.

wille | 08-03-2008 01:48 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine Quote:
Originally Posted by gunner (Post 1221320) Seems pretty good to me. Within that list I would go with some top quality ammo in each caliber. Some ammo could be for practice, plinking, etc, the good stuff for a survival /SHTF situation. Include A.P. in .308 and .223, maybe a few hundred rounds of decent .22. A little incendiary might be good as well, get this stuff while you still can !! I would think the larger shot size would be better, but I honestly haven't researched.
Gunner; how to determine quality ammo, what to look for ? I know Brass over zinc etc, no lacquering . Federal and Winchester better Ive heard. Will brands determine quality exclusively?

SAUM | 08-03-2008 01:58 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine You're missing .22, for those times when you must poach a rabbit quietly. Also the easiest ammo to amass quickly. As for rifles, I reload and have enough supplies to reach out until the end of my time. Definitely need more shotgun shells though.

gunner | 08-03-2008 02:13 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine Quote:
Originally Posted by wille (Post 1221327) Gunner; how to determine quality ammo, what to look for ? I know Brass over zinc etc, no lacquering . Federal and Winchester better Ive heard. Will brands determine quality exclusively?
For quality stuff I would go with; .308 http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...175&t=11082005 http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=106049835 .223 http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=106212604 (couldn't find any AP ammo but I'm sure there's still some available out there) .45 http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=106410456 .22 http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/Brow...erOfResults=20 Eley is pretty good and there are others, just to have something better than the Winchester and Remington 550 packs. Those are okay or practicing with, maybe some squirrel hunting, etc, but if you really need food or have the need for a subsonic round - it's best to have some good stuff available keep an eye out for decent milsurp stuff on Sportsman's Guide - check the site regularly, good stuff sells out quick !!

wille | 08-03-2008 02:23 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine Thanks for a direction Gunner-- Saum .22 is included see it?

Mill Man | 08-03-2008 02:24 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine For .308 the Lithuanian (GGG) on the market right now is supposed to be pretty good with excellent brass. Its packed in nice 200 rnd battle packs. I picked up 1k at the last gun show but haven't shot any yet. Its 2003-2004 production. As for AP and whatnot that stuffs cool to have but be sure of what you're buying. Theres alot of mild steel core stuff out there that people call AP and charge a ridiculous ammout for but its not AP.

gunner | 08-03-2008 02:28 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine Quote:
Originally Posted by wille (Post 1221397) Thanks for a direction Gunner-- Saum .22 is included see it?
Anytime :D

wille | 08-03-2008 02:31 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine Quote:
Originally Posted by Mill Man (Post 1221399) For .308 the Lithuanian (GGG) on the market right now is supposed to be pretty good with excellent brass. Its packed in nice 200 rnd battle packs. I picked up 1k at the last gun show but haven't shot any yet. Its 2003-2004 production. As for AP and whatnot that stuffs cool to have but be sure of what you're buying. Theres alot of mild steel core stuff out there that people call AP and charge a ridiculous ammout for but its not AP.
Mill; what the 1000 rounds cost you? 1000 rounds of good 308 Id guesss ya paid $450.00 ? Thats cheap out here in NV.

gunner | 08-03-2008 02:32 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine Quote:
Originally Posted by Mill Man (Post 1221399) For .308 the Lithuanian (GGG) on the market right now is supposed to be pretty good with excellent brass. Its packed in nice 200 rnd battle packs. I picked up 1k at the last gun show but haven't shot any yet. Its 2003-2004 production. As for AP and whatnot that stuffs cool to have but be sure of what you're buying. Theres alot of mild steel core stuff out there that people call AP and charge a ridiculous ammout for but its not AP.
Yup - I totally agree !!

SAUM | 08-03-2008 02:43 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine Quote:
Originally Posted by wille (Post 1221397) Saum .22 is included see it?
I must be losing my faculties.

Mill Man | 08-03-2008 02:47 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine 550 out the door for the 1000 actually Willie.

mtnman | 08-03-2008 03:11 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine Is the floor under your ammo stash cracking? If not, you don't have enough!!!

SilverCity | 08-03-2008 03:15 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine Generally agree with comments... Depending on how many longarms you own or intend to acquire in the future(in military rounds .223, .308. 7x32x39, etc.) I would add more ammo to the total, say 2000-3000 PER RIFLE... And yes your original list had too much 12 gauge buck/slugs, IMO. As someone else said very succinctly regarding stockpiling too much buckshot/slugs for defense: "How many close-quarter encounters do you think you will actually survive?".

eat_beef | 08-03-2008 10:22 PM
Re: A rough but close MUST-HAVE ammo magazine Change your buckshot to #1 or #4 (buck, not bird). OO doesn't gain much in knock down power, and it gives up a lot in number of pellets. There's not much chance of hitting a man sized target beyond 35 yards with OO, as the 9 (.33 cal) pellets will scatter too far. On the other hand, 27 (.24 cal) #4 pellets will have a very high hit probability, all the way out past 50 yards. And yes, more rifle, less shotgun. I don't see very many situations where a slug would be required.

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