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Black Blade | 08-12-2008 10:49 PM
Barroom shooter says he feared for his life Barroom shooter says he feared for his life By Journal staff The man who opened fire in a Sturgis bar early Saturday morning seriously injuring another man after a brief altercation said he was forced to open fire after one of the men involved in the scuffle reached for his gun, according to a report by the Seattle Times. ------ Smith told that he was "cold-cocked by at least one, if not three, Hells Angels" before being pinned to the floor and receiving "fists and feet" during an altercation between the Hells Angels and a group of Iron Pigs motorcycle club about 1 a.m. Saturday at the Loud American Roadhouse. According to the story in the Times, Smith said he tried to wriggle free, but "didn't have any leverage." The Hells Angel in the bandanna tried to grab for the detective's gun just as another man was choking him, the detective said. Smith, a member of the Iron Pigs and a detective with the Seattle Police Department, said he pulled his handgun from his hip and opened fire. On Monday, authorities identified the wounded Hells Angel club member as Joseph McGuire, 33, of Imperial Beach, Calif. McGuire remains in stable condition at an area hospital. According to Meade County State's Attorney Jesse Sondreal, a grand jury convened for about seven hours on Sunday, interviewing 25 people about what happened in the moments leading up to the shooting. Sondreal said no arrests have been made and that the investigation could continue until the grand jury reconvenes on Aug. 27. The detective and four fellow Seattle police officers who were accompanying him were placed on administrative leave, but Smith was only briefly detained by local authorities before being allowed to return to Washington. Smith has twice been investigated and disciplined by a civilian police-oversight group in the Seattle. One incident came at Seattle Seahawks game, when he got into an argument with a fan while working off-duty in 2004. In a second incident in 2005, he threatened a restaurant employee. Smith said in an interview with the Times that the employee was taunting and threatening him and his then-fiancee. http://rapidcityjournal.com/articles...9263412824.txt Black Blade: A "righteous shoot"? Who knows. The article is a little light in details. Does appear that the officer has a history of provocative behavior though.

Big_Rob | 08-13-2008 09:37 AM
Re: Barroom shooter says he feared for his life LOL! Aint nothing like a good ole fashioned bike gang bar room brawl :D I know some bikers and they are some pretty rough people. Here's their club http://www.outlawsmc.com

mtnman | 08-13-2008 07:01 PM
Re: Barroom shooter says he feared for his life The cop is a walking dead man. HA never forgets or forgives.

Twisted Avatar | 08-13-2008 07:10 PM
Re: Barroom shooter says he feared for his life Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1237393) The cop is a walking dead man. HA never forgets or forgives.
+1 There is probally a waiting list to see who will pop this guy...... That is the type of kill that will get you promoted way up the ranks. Sucks to be him. T

flash91 | 08-13-2008 07:19 PM
Re: Barroom shooter says he feared for his life No guns in bars in washington. Cop was off duty, carrying a firearm into a bar - that's intent to commit homicide. Self defense might be legitimate, but because of intent to carry in a prohibited area he probably can't claim it. Hmm where is sturgis? maybe thats not in washington and has different laws?

budfox | 08-13-2008 07:23 PM
Re: Barroom shooter says he feared for his life Quote:
Originally Posted by flash91 (Post 1237418) No guns in bars in washington. Cop was off duty, carrying a firearm into a bar - that's intent to commit homicide. Self defense might be legitimate, but because of intent to carry in a prohibited area he probably can't claim it.
No, you have it wrong. Cops have different laws than you and I.:sarc: He probably called someone a pvssy to see what would happen.

Twisted Avatar | 08-13-2008 07:40 PM
Re: Barroom shooter says he feared for his life Quote:
Originally Posted by budfox (Post 1237430) No, you have it wrong. Cops have different laws than you and I.:sarc: He probably called someone a pvssy to see what would happen.
He is gonna find out soon enough. T

Portmanteau | 08-13-2008 08:15 PM
Re: Barroom shooter says he feared for his life Quote:
Originally Posted by flash91 (Post 1237418) No guns in bars in washington. Cop was off duty, carrying a firearm into a bar - that's intent to commit homicide. Self defense might be legitimate, but because of intent to carry in a prohibited area he probably can't claim it. Hmm where is sturgis? maybe thats not in washington and has different laws?
It's in South Dakota. Is anyone else peeved that the cop is being "protected?" The DA's name is listed, but the cop's is not? If you or I were the shooter, our name would be plastered all over the media.

Big_Rob | 08-14-2008 12:30 AM
Re: Barroom shooter says he feared for his life Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1237393) The cop is a walking dead man. HA never forgets or forgives.
Reminds me of the Outlaws motto. God Forgives Outlaws Dont

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