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<SLV> | 06-05-2008 12:19 PM
Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... I'm planning on stocking up on ARs before this next election. I can get a Superior Arms stripped lower for $100 locally, and then a JT Distributing CAR-15 rifle kit here: http://jtdistributing.net/store/more_k_c16k.html. Throw in a Magpul P-MAG and the whole thing is less than $600. Here is a great link on assembling your lower: http://www.ar15.com/content/guides/assembly/lower/. DO IT NOW. Thank Uncle Sugar and buy a few of these kits. PS - The SA lower is the only lower I know of with a trigger adjustment screw.

Twisted Avatar | 06-05-2008 12:28 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... 1 Attachment(s) Great find SLV and I fully agree........ Anything you can buy you better do it before "change is coming boy " gets the seat.

graspAU | 06-05-2008 03:28 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Already worked on this. Have purchased 6 guns this year (3 rifles and 3 hanguns) to go along with what I already had. Stocked up on ammo and magazines for all. Feel like I'm prepared in that area. Each of my rifles and pistols has a counterpart that contains the same internals so if one breaks there is a spare parts set.

abrokencircle | 06-05-2008 05:15 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... I just bought a brand new DPMS AR15. Will be stocking up on more 30rd mags over the summer as well as other various parts and stuff for it. Probably my #1 purchase for it this summer will be the ammo. Talk about expensive! I just hope I don't have to sell it to help fund college (it is looking like I might have to at least loan it out to a family member).

sagetoil | 06-05-2008 06:12 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... What advice would you give when they ask this at the rifle kit address? What would they cost if you did not buy the kit and went to a gun show? The CAR kit comes with your choice of A-2 or standard flat-top upper, lower parts kit, and your choice of A-2 Buttstock or CAR stock (pictured). Available with HBAR or LW contour barrel

extremist | 06-05-2008 06:59 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... I think the (probably inadvertent) contradiction in this recent ad from CDNN illustrates current initiatives to cash in on the hype and ignorance: BEAT THE OBAMA RUSH! HIGH CAPACITY MAGS IN SHORT SUPPLY! HUGE INVENTORY PRICED TO SELL!

SWRichmond | 06-05-2008 09:50 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Quote:
Originally Posted by abrokencircle (Post 1133669) Sic Semper Tyrannis
Thus always to Tyrants. The Virginia state motto and not coincidentally the words shouted by Booth after he shot Lincoln and jumped down to the stage at Ford's Theatre. Not trying to hijack. I agree wholeheartedly that now is the last chance you're likely to get to buy semi-auto rifles at a decent price.

AG Capone | 06-05-2008 10:05 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... These guys seem to have a nice selection of evil weapons. I would like to get a 20" AR before another ban happens or maybe a 22" or 24" with the rails. I have an M4 already.

Family Man | 06-05-2008 10:45 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... I urge everyone to find a place to take classes in HG, rifle, and/or shotgun training. The difference being "target shooting" and defensive training with your guns will save your life. A good 2 or 3 day class will cost about the price of a gun, but you will treasure the investment!

<SLV> | 06-06-2008 09:29 AM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Quote:
Originally Posted by skytrooper (Post 1133863) Have you seen any of JT's uppers? Are they decent?
Yes, I've built this very kit before. I was impressed. I got the LWB (light weight contour barrel) and all the standard options (no upgrades). I prefer the A2 handle w/sights on a 16" CAR. Trust me... the peep sights are accurate enough out to 1,000 feet. Also, the SA lower required no "tweaking" with this kit. It all went together smooth and tight.

Captain Morgan | 06-06-2008 09:45 AM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... I'm on board...I bought my Glock and shotgun earlier this year. Tuesday of this week I ordered my Ak47 with a bunch of extra 30 round mags. I should get that from my FFL sometime next week...woohooo!

beggarsthumb | 06-06-2008 10:42 AM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... what kind of bullets does the AR use? I know a stupid q.

beggarsthumb | 06-06-2008 11:08 AM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... thanks dude I'm not sure what that means but I think it's a bit bigger than a 22 long bullet.

SilverCity | 06-06-2008 11:36 AM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Any AR-15 type firearm will safely shoot .223 or 5.56 Nato regardless of barrel markings. Bushmaster marked theirs ".223" for a while but were perfectly safe with 5.56. But you are right, many rifles and TC Contenders marked ".223 Rem" will NOT safely shoot (or even chamber in some cases) 5.56 Nato. From Wikipedia: 5.56 mm NATO versus .223 Remington While the 5.56 mm and .223 cartridges are very similar, they are not identical. Military cases are generally made from thicker brass than commercial cases; this reduces the powder capacity (an important consideration for handloaders[1]), and the NATO specification allows a higher chamber pressure. Test barrels made for 5.56 mm NATO measure chamber pressure at a the case mouth, as opposed to the SAAMI location. This difference accounts for upwards of 20,000 psi (140 MPa) difference in pressure measurements. That means that advertised pressure of 58,000 psi (400 MPa) for 5.56 mm NATO, is around 78,000 psi (540 MPa) tested in .223 Rem test barrels. The 5.56 mm chambering, known as a NATO or mil-spec chambers, have a longer leade, which is the distance between the mouth of the cartridge and the point at which the rifling engages the bullet. The .223 chambering, known as SAAMI chamber, is allowed to have a shorter leade, and is only required to be proof tested to the lower SAAMI chamber pressure. To address these issues, various proprietary chambers exist, such as the Wylde chamber (Rock River Arms)[2] or the Armalite chamber, which are designed to handle both 5.56 mm and .223 equally well. Using commercial .223 cartridges in a 5.56-chambered rifle should work reliably, but generally will not be as accurate as when fired from a .223-chambered gun due to the longer leade.[3] Using 5.56 mil-spec cartridges (such as the M855) in a .223-chambered rifle can lead to excessive wear and stress on the rifle and even be unsafe, and the SAAMI recommends against the practice.[4] Some commercial rifles marked as ".223 Remington" are in fact suited for 5.56 mm, such as many commercial AR-15 variants and the Ruger Mini-14, but the manufacturer should always be consulted to verify that this is acceptable before attempting it, and signs of excessive pressure (such as flattening or gas staining of the primers) should be looked for in the initial testing with 5.56 mm ammunition.[5]

gbgunner | 06-06-2008 11:45 AM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... For those of you who are thinking of stocking up this summer on things such as ammunition, magazines, reloading components, reloading tools or dies, etc. My advice is don't hesitate. Things are OK now, but my bet from experience is that the things you want and need will be harder to come by the closer we get to the election. For instance right now. My shooting friends and I shoot 200-300 rounds a week of pistol. We cast our own bullets from wheel weights we've scrounged over the last few years. People were happy to see us come and take the heavy and cumbersome buckets of wheel weights. Now they got to be bribed somehow to get them. Especially now that they realize they can get FRN's for them. We are basically all set but several of the new shooters are having a difficult time getting lead. Also we just tried to place a huge primer and powder order. Our last was when there was snow on the ground. Right now is shooting season so all the regulars are buying reloading supplies along with others who are piling on what they know they will need. We couldn't get our order filled. They told us maybe by the end of June. Now all we are talking about is 20#-25# of powder and approximately 30,000 primers. We had a rough time getting primer and powder after the war started for a little while. Basically what I am trying to say is buy now before everyone is buying. I guess that's kind of a silly statement to make here at GIM as that's what many practice with AU and AG. Don't hesitate. Get the stuff inbound. You now you are going to need it or use it in the future.

Mumwaldee | 06-06-2008 12:27 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Quote:
Originally Posted by beggarsthumb (Post 1134540) thanks dude I'm not sure what that means but I think it's a bit bigger than a 22 long bullet.
Took a quick pic...sorry I don't have any .22 at the moment. It's .45acp/.223/.308 and a '74 quarter for comparison. http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...comparison.jpg *there is a better comparison at this link http://www.arizonagunlist.com/gun_re..._material.html

EireGoBragh | 06-06-2008 01:30 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Quote:
Originally Posted by beggarsthumb (Post 1134540) thanks dude I'm not sure what that means but I think it's a bit bigger than a 22 long bullet.
A .223 is a .22 caliber bullet, the difference being the size and length of the case and bullet weight, also as noted the velocity

mtnman | 06-06-2008 03:42 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... If you can't afford whole guns, all you need to buy are the receivers. The rest of the rifle is a non-gun, the only part that will be banned is the registered receiver (the part with a serial number), Small parts and the upper are not "guns" without the receiver. You can get AR receivers for around $100 each, the same with AK receivers.

Walter Mitty | 06-06-2008 04:03 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Silver City- I do not think your first sentence is true. You want to make sure the barrel is marked 5.56. It is safe to shoot 5.56 or .223 ammo. If in doubt call the Mfg. and give them the serial number of the rifle and they can tell you if the chamber is 5.56 or .223.( or a variant that will safely shoot either). Not safe to shoot 5.56 military ammo (m855) in a .223 chamber. I know Armalite was using a .223 chamber at one time.

Prometheus | 06-06-2008 04:25 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Quote:
Originally Posted by TechGuy (Post 1133333) Also, LOAD UP on 30rd AR mags. They will worth their weight in gold in a few years.
I'm not discouraging anyone from buying as many 30 round AR mags as they feel they will need when I say this.... Considering how long 30 round NEW AR mags have been 10 bucks each shipped and the prices between 1994 and 2004 I don't think they will appreciate as much or as fast as other magazines. If you are looking to buy for investment purposes only, buy something else. In any event, buying hicaps won't make you lose money. As for the hype, who knows... it'll be coming early as evidenced. Even if the two idiots move as fast as possible it'll be a year from now before they can pass anything... at the earliest. Doubt that will temper the buying spurt, but who knows. I already stocked up to be quite honest so I'm not worried about 'missing out'. I would like a couple more of this or that, but I'm in no hurry. They are wants at this point, not needs.

SilverCity | 06-06-2008 05:38 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Mitty (Post 1134981) Silver City- I do not think your first sentence is true. You want to make sure the barrel is marked 5.56. It is safe to shoot 5.56 or .223 ammo. If in doubt call the Mfg. and give them the serial number of the rifle and they can tell you if the chamber is 5.56 or .223.( or a variant that will safely shoot either). Not safe to shoot 5.56 military ammo (m855) in a .223 chamber. I know Armalite was using a .223 chamber at one time.
You are right, I should have specified MIL SPEC AR-15s...NOT ones with custom target barrels which might have .223 or even the in-between Wylde chambers (for shooting 80gr bullets). I personally would not own any of these aftermarket "kit" guns without verifying that the barrel chambers are suited for ALL 5.56 Nato surplus and 223 commercially available ammo...check with manufacturer to be sure. I think AR manufacturers would be liable in any personal injury lawsuit if their "military-type" rifles were unsafe with "military-type" surplus ammunition and I am sure they take that into consideration. Typical Colt Mil-Spec-type markings: C MP 5.56 NATO 1/7 Typical Bushmaster markings: B MP 5.56 NATO 1/9 HBAR DPMS marks their barrels ".223", though they actually have 5.56 chambers. Olympic Arms marks their barrels with "556", with some additionally marked "SS" or "SUM." This marking is used on all barrels, even older barrels that used .223 chambers and current target models that also use .223 chambers. Non-target barrels made since 2001 should have 5.56 chambers. Armalite typically doesn't mark their barrels. A2 and A4 models had .223 chambers until mid-2001, and have used 5.56 chambers since. The (t) models use .223 match chambers. Rock River Arms uses the Wylde chamber specs on most rifles, and does not mark their barrels. Most other AR manufacturers' barrels are unmarked, and chamber dimensions are unknown.

the toxic avenger | 06-06-2008 06:06 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... I bought a Kel Tec PLR 16 with part of my gubbmint cheese. I did my part to stimulate the economy and even bought an American made product to boot. :bull-buddy-icon: YouTube - Kel-Tec PLR-16 pistol
YouTube - Kel-Tec PLR-16 pistol

AG Capone | 06-07-2008 09:03 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 1135025) I'm not discouraging anyone from buying as many 30 round AR mags as they feel they will need when I say this.... Considering how long 30 round NEW AR mags have been 10 bucks each shipped and the prices between 1994 and 2004 I don't think they will appreciate as much or as fast as other magazines. If you are looking to buy for investment purposes only, buy something else. In any event, buying hicaps won't make you lose money. As for the hype, who knows... it'll be coming early as evidenced. Even if the two idiots move as fast as possible it'll be a year from now before they can pass anything... at the earliest. Doubt that will temper the buying spurt, but who knows. I already stocked up to be quite honest so I'm not worried about 'missing out'. I would like a couple more of this or that, but I'm in no hurry. They are wants at this point, not needs.
Where can we get a deal on AK-74 mags Prometheus? I don't really see much on the market. I should have stocked up on these when they were 8 bucks.

SilverCity | 06-07-2008 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AG Capone (Post 1136349) Where can we get a deal on AK-74 mags Prometheus? I don't really see much on the market. I should have stocked up on these when they were 8 bucks.
For starters: AK 74 MAGAZINE SET(5.45X39), 4 mags, pouch, cleankit, strippers 39.00 http://www.surplusfirearms.com/ak.htm AK74 Metal 30 Round Mags (5.45x39) $24.99 $19.99 http://dpharms.com/ak74-metal-30-rou...x39-p-221.html

AG Capone | 06-08-2008 10:16 AM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1136379) For starters: AK 74 MAGAZINE SET(5.45X39), 4 mags, pouch, cleankit, strippers 39.00 http://www.surplusfirearms.com/ak.htm AK74 Metal 30 Round Mags (5.45x39) $24.99 $19.99 http://dpharms.com/ak74-metal-30-rou...x39-p-221.html
. The company from your first link is sold out of that package. They've changed websites as well. Those mags are the style I'm looking for though. Everybody had 74 mags and all of a sudden they disappeared and if a company has one now they are selling for $30+ each, I've seen them as much as $50 each recently. They could be had for $8 not too long ago. The second link is for steel Tantal, wasr, or maybe chinese mags. I'd rather be using the correct mags. Looking for Bulgarian, they should be cheaper.

SilverCity | 06-08-2008 11:17 AM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Quote:
Originally Posted by AG Capone (Post 1136800) . The company from your first link is sold out of that package. They've changed websites as well. Those mags are the style I'm looking for though. Everybody had 74 mags and all of a sudden they disappeared and if a company has one now they are selling for $30+ each, I've seen them as much as $50 each recently. They could be had for $8 not too long ago. The second link is for steel Tantal, wasr, or maybe chinese mags. I'd rather be using the correct mags. Looking for Bulgarian, they should be cheaper.
The steel ones are probably Polish or Romanian... Yeah, I remember when folks were practically giving them away...you might try calling some of these places and asking when they might be getting more in: http://www.copesdist.com/ak47.htm http://www.k-var.com/shop/home.php?cat=248 http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/AK_Magazines.html http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/mag...th/332_190_191 I see J&G Sales has some, though pricey @$19.95...

AG Capone | 06-08-2008 03:10 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1136871) The steel ones are probably Polish or Romanian... http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/mag...th/332_190_191 I see J&G Sales has some, though pricey @$19.95...
I'll be settling for a few of the black polymer tantal mags for the time being, I guess.

C4talyst | 06-08-2008 09:35 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... No worries...if any of you guys believe the conspiracy stuff that's posted here you'd think McCain has already been selected. Not that I think he wouldn't eventually facilitate the same thing...any reason is good enough for me to buy another AR.

Prometheus | 06-10-2008 10:58 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Quote:
Originally Posted by AG Capone (Post 1136349) Where can we get a deal on AK-74 mags Prometheus? I don't really see much on the market. I should have stocked up on these when they were 8 bucks.
I stocked up when they were 12 for 36 bucks and 3 free pouches, lol. I honestly don't know right now. I haven't seen anything I'd remotely consider a deal in many, many months. Kvar has some and they are completely insane at their pricing.

khambi | 06-15-2008 11:36 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... I am so thankfull to Ron Paul and my friends here at GIM..First time in my life I bought a good combo today..bought maself brand new Remington 870, paid $369 and Glock 17 for $489..I dont know much about guns but after reading here...I am learning all...sales man told me that I cannot go wrong with this combo for self defence... I been comtemplating to buy or not and took a lot of convincing to wifeee..now she is fully convinced we need this to protect our lives and she will be going with me to the shooting range to get satarted.. Being a Muslim and immigrant from Pakistan..I sat on sideline for long and did not want to trigger any flags but I figured I have a right to own a gun being a US Citizen so I did..There were questions like place of birth and race on the background check application which I provided..hopefully we will be allowed to pick our guns next weeek.. I am very excited and hope I never have to use my toys but if it comes down to my family..I have a tool to protect my self Thanks all again and yes I am going to MN for the Ron Paul convention

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AG Capone | 06-16-2008 02:39 AM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Quote:
Originally Posted by khambi (Post 1148006) Being a Muslim and immigrant from Pakistan..I sat on sideline for long and did not want to trigger any flags but I figured I have a right to own a gun being a US Citizen so I did..There were questions like place of birth and race on the background check application which I provided..hopefully we will be allowed to pick our guns next weeek.. I am very excited and hope I never have to use my toys but if it comes down to my family..I have a tool to protect my self Thanks all again and yes I am going to MN for the Ron Paul convention
You have a god given right as a citizen of this country to defend your family and way of life, no matter your race or religion. It's right there in our constitution. Partake in every right this once great country has to offer. If we don't, these rights may slip away and be forgotten forever. Don't fear the government, the government should fear the people. They are our servant and they should always be reminded of their inferior place on the foodchain. Being a Muslim in America is reason enough to own a firearm. You need to be protected from the uneducated masses. As to your purchase: The combination sounds great. You bought the top models on the market. Now make some free time and learn how to use them.:applause_

khambi | 06-16-2008 09:27 AM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Quote:
Originally Posted by AG Capone (Post 1148143) You have a god given right as a citizen of this country to defend your family and way of life, no matter your race or religion. It's right there in our constitution. Partake in every right this once great country has to offer. If we don't, these rights may slip away and be forgotten forever. Don't fear the government, the government should fear the people. They are our servant and they should always be reminded of their inferior place on the foodchain. Being a Muslim in America is reason enough to own a firearm. You need to be protected from the uneducated masses. As to your purchase: The combination sounds great. You bought the top models on the market. Now make some free time and learn how to use them.:applause_
Thanks for the continued support and encouragement..shooting range is only a mile or two away from home..and I am going to learn it and ensure wife knows how to operate as well.

SilverSalmon | 06-16-2008 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by khambi (Post 1148440) Thanks for the continued support and encouragement..shooting range is only a mile or two away from home..and I am going to learn it and ensure wife knows how to operate as well.
if you can go to Thunder Ranch with your wife for training. Also buy more ammo than you need. For your shotgun get slugs and buck shot 00, #4 buckshot. 2 3/4 will give you more bang for your buck. more shots essentially. Shot, placement, shot placement, shot placement. Salaam!

negative1 | 06-16-2008 12:52 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 1140900) I stocked up when they were 12 for 36 bucks and 3 free pouches, lol.
Those days are long gone friend.... the plums that came with that deal were a nice surprise.

<SLV> | 06-16-2008 05:48 PM
Re: Buy AWs NOW! A year from now it might be impossible... Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1134954) If you can't afford whole guns, all you need to buy are the receivers. The rest of the rifle is a non-gun, the only part that will be banned is the registered receiver (the part with a serial number), Small parts and the upper are not "guns" without the receiver. You can get AR receivers for around $100 each, the same with AK receivers.
I'm bumping this because it is a great idea. I can pick up Superior Arms stripped lowers (good quality/value) for $100 each. I might just get a couple dozen as an investment.

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