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SilverCity | 07-20-2008 02:16 PM
Good News for AK-74 Fans 2 Attachment(s) Talked with Chet Durda of Lancaster Firearms at the Phoenix gunshow this weekend...he says he has 10,000 Bulgarian AK-74s coming in two months! Not sure of condition (new/used) but Bulgarian AKs are TOP QUALITY in my book and this presents an opportunity for all you interested in acquiring one. Ammo is still the cheapest...Bulgarian Military 5.45 is still around and AIM Surplus has the Russian mil-spec 7N6 for about 11 cents per round (+ shipping). http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/copy_of_5_45x39.html Didn't get a chance to chat much with him as he was busy...so I am not sure what configuration (fixed/folding stocks). I hope they come in with plenty of poly mags. My Arsenal Bulgarian 74 is very accurate and reliably shoots 2 MOA. I would love to acquire (a few) more. :D

Black Blade | 07-20-2008 02:55 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans I'll have to keep my eye out. A lot of buying to do before the American Communist Party takes over completely this Jan. 20. Lock and Load!

Fullpower | 07-20-2008 10:35 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans I am unfamiliar with the commie 5.45 round... How does it compare with the shorty 7.62x39 ? is it same case necked down, or are they different brass ? Do the 7.62 and 5.45 guns share parts, such as bolt carrier, trigger group parts? The AK is a nice little carbine/ knockabout /truck gun.

nunaem | 07-21-2008 04:30 AM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Quote:
Originally Posted by Fullpower (Post 1201879) I am unfamiliar with the commie 5.45 round... How does it compare with the shorty 7.62x39 ? is it same case necked down, or are they different brass ? Do the 7.62 and 5.45 guns share parts, such as bolt carrier, trigger group parts? The AK is a nice little carbine/ knockabout /truck gun.
The 5.45 was the soviet's response to the .223. Its much lighter than the 7.62x39 with a straighter trajectory and better accuracy, its not as good as .223 though because it doesn't fragment. According to wiki it's parts are 50% interchangable with the ak47. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK74 I've been thinking about getting a '74 as a cheap, reliable alternative to the M16.

eat_beef | 07-21-2008 08:34 AM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Different brass than the 7.62. Looks the same, but is not. And while the 5.45 doesn't frag, it tumbles wildly, and makes some nasty wound channels.

shades2 | 07-21-2008 08:48 AM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Seen some video of the AK-74, looks like a great gun. One with a milled receiver would be the way to go though. I just don't like the stamped recievers.

AG Capone | 07-21-2008 09:07 AM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans I really hope they bring in some more magazines.:bear_w00t:

The Argent Dragon | 07-21-2008 04:05 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans AWESOME ! ~ it's on my want list. :wink:

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 07-22-2008 04:30 AM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans The Achilles Heel with the '74 is the ammo. While it's true that it's cheap right now, remember that no one in the U.S. manufactures this ammo at all. If/when 5.45 x 39 imports get cut off - and I'd wager that they will be within the next 18-24 months (or less) - all AK-74 owners will have is an unusual-looking club.

seektruth | 07-22-2008 06:23 AM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Quote:
Originally Posted by Hivemindgammahydra7 (Post 1203500) The Achilles Heel with the '74 is the ammo. While it's true that it's cheap right now, remember that no one in the U.S. manufactures this ammo at all. If/when 5.45 x 39 imports get cut off - and I'd wager that they will be within the next 18-24 months (or less) - all AK-74 owners will have is an unusual-looking club.
Not if you have a lifetime supply of cheap ammo stockpiled :wink:

leadfoot | 07-22-2008 09:06 AM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Quote:
Originally Posted by nunaem (Post 1202125) I've been thinking about getting a '74 as a cheap, reliable alternative to the M16.
Why not get a Saiga or other variant in .223/5.56 and keep your ammo base the same?

Caligula | 07-22-2008 09:32 AM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Quote:
Originally Posted by leadfoot (Post 1203682) Why not get a Saiga or other variant in .223/5.56 and keep your ammo base the same?
Sums up in one crisp sentance why I 've always stayed away from 5.45 x 39. :banghead: Btw, I don't own a .223 either......

nunaem | 07-22-2008 09:59 AM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Quote:
Originally Posted by leadfoot (Post 1203682) Why not get a Saiga or other variant in .223/5.56 and keep your ammo base the same?
For one I don't have an ammo base yet, (unless .22lr count), and making an ammo base in 5.45 at $120/1080rds is a bargain compared to whatever .223 is going for.

eat_beef | 07-22-2008 10:54 AM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Exactly! 5.45 is less than 2/3 the price of 7.62x39. It's less than 1/3 the price of 5.56. It's less than 1/4 the price of 7.62mm. It won't do what 7.62mm does, but it either equals or outperforms the others, except for 7.62x39's barrier penetration. There may be a 5.45 shortage in the future, but I know certain houses that won't be affected.:wink:

The Argent Dragon | 07-25-2008 05:28 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Quote:
Originally Posted by eat_beef (Post 1203863) Exactly! 5.45 is less than 2/3 the price of 7.62x39. It's less than 1/3 the price of 5.56. It's less than 1/4 the price of 7.62mm. It won't do what 7.62mm does, but it either equals or outperforms the others, except for 7.62x39's barrier penetration. There may be a 5.45 shortage in the future, but I know certain houses that won't be affected.:wink:
Holy sh*t you ain't kiddin' !!!.........just checked AIM surplus with 1,080 round tins for $119 and now know what my next rifle purchase will be. :wink: :bear_tongue: BTW EatBeef ~ what do you think of the Polish Tantals ????

nunaem | 07-25-2008 05:57 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1209273) Holy sh*t you ain't kiddin' !!!.........just checked AIM surplus with 1,080 round tins for $119 and now know what my next rifle purchase will be. :wink: :bear_tongue: BTW EatBeef ~ what do you think of the Polish Tantals ????
I'm wondering as well, the tantals are the only ak74 I'm seeing for sale in most places.

SilverCity | 07-25-2008 06:55 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1209273) Holy sh*t you ain't kiddin' !!!.........just checked AIM surplus with 1,080 round tins for $119 and now know what my next rifle purchase will be. :wink: :bear_tongue: BTW EatBeef ~ what do you think of the Polish Tantals ????
Steer clear of the Century Arms (CAI) versions...the word is that several owners are complaining their CAI-built Tantals are keyholing at 25 yards...purportedly the rifles are built with Green River 5.56 (unlined) barrel blanks instead of the correct 5.45 dia. blanks. The BEST Tantals available are put together by INTERARMS which are sold by Atlantic Firearms utilizing MIL-SPEC CHROME-LINED barrels. I have one with black furniture on order, myself. I am also eager to look at the Bulgarians when (if) they come in... By the way, ATLANTIC FIREARMS website is down...EDIT: BACK UP

eat_beef | 07-25-2008 10:10 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans I would prolly pony up the extra cash to get an Interarms Tantal, or one of the better 74s. Heck, you can still grab a used SAR 2 for about the same price. Luckily, I stocked up on WASR 2s when they were 270 bucks each, and I've already worked through all the problems. I'm saving my nickels and waiting to see which 5.45 AR upper is best. BTW, 5.45 ammo is going up, better get it while you can... Seems like Ivan and Chudski found out that the FRN aint what it used to be.:bear_w00t: EDIT, you can still find the Tantal kits fairly cheap. Slap it on a Nodak reciever and you're GTG for less than the CAI gun. (BTW, just got off the phone with CAI today...they're great folks, but can screw up a ball bearing with a rubber mallet.)

poor boy | 07-27-2008 11:59 AM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Quote:
Originally Posted by Hivemindgammahydra7 (Post 1203500) The Achilles Heel with the '74 is the ammo. While it's true that it's cheap right now, remember that no one in the U.S. manufactures this ammo at all. If/when 5.45 x 39 imports get cut off - and I'd wager that they will be within the next 18-24 months (or less) - all AK-74 owners will have is an unusual-looking club.
Thats why I sold my 74 and bought an AR. I figured it would be easier to get ammo if I used the same caliber as "the man " in a shtf situation. However the 74 was a great rifle that I liked alot.

Prometheus | 07-27-2008 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by poor boy (Post 1211284) Thats why I sold my 74 and bought an AR. I figured it would be easier to get ammo if I used the same caliber as "the man " in a shtf situation. However the 74 was a great rifle that I liked alot.
Why not have both? For the cost of 1,000 rounds of basic dirt cheap .223 you can have 3,000 rounds of 5.45x39 in seal tins with steel core. For the cost of one decent AR15 (800 dollars with no ammo) you can have 1 Ak74 and 3,000 rounds of 5.45x39. I'm in the camp that a shooter without either caliber could for the same price get either: 1 AR15 and 1,000 rounds of .223 or 1 AK74 and 6,000 rounds of 5.45x39 Don't know about you but I feel you really need 2,000 rounds of you primary go to rifle. 1,000 as a minimum and some for practice which normally means buying 1k rounds at a time for the discount. Again for the same price of .233 you're looking at 2,000 of .223 or 9,000 of 5.45x39 using the above cost difference between rifles and applying it to ammo. 9,000 rounds is going to last you awhile. Add on the cost of one more case of .223 and you're up to 12,000 of 5.45x39... :wink:

StackerKen | 07-27-2008 02:55 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Once the SHTF it will be to late to get more ammo....Right? So, I think Im gonna go with the 74 and the cheap ammo so I can stock up. I don't think I need to do alot of "Target" pratice with a gun like that....:wink:

sneak | 07-27-2008 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by eat_beef (Post 1209609) I'm saving my nickels and waiting to see which 5.45 AR upper is best. BTW, 5.45 ammo is going up, better get it while you can...
An AR upper in 5.45? That is an interesting thought! What about mags? Would they be hard to find or expensive?

Prometheus | 07-27-2008 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sneak (Post 1211495) An AR upper in 5.45? That is an interesting thought! What about mags? Would they be hard to find or expensive?
Do a search for "5.45x39 upper" at midways USA and "militarygunsupply" aimsurplus will also have them, but they don't list on their website. It uses standard AR mags and holds 27 rounds or 30 rounds with a special follower. I'm THINKING that the USGI mags with magpul followers will do just as well as the special 5.45x39 followers... time will tell. Midway says there price will be under 20 bucks in any event and places like 44mag.com say they will sell just followers as well. Upper ranges from 550 for oly arms to 575 for the S&W. I've had a S&W on back order since March.. delivery date is pushed back yet again to next month.

sneak | 07-27-2008 10:20 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 1211507) Do a search for "5.45x39 upper" at midways USA and "militarygunsupply" aimsurplus will also have them, but they don't list on their website. It uses standard AR mags and holds 27 rounds or 30 rounds with a special follower. I'm THINKING that the USGI mags with magpul followers will do just as well as the special 5.45x39 followers... time will tell. Midway says there price will be under 20 bucks in any event and places like 44mag.com say they will sell just followers as well. Upper ranges from 550 for oly arms to 575 for the S&W. I've had a S&W on back order since March.. delivery date is pushed back yet again to next month.
Thanks for the info! I will check it out.

Onboard | 09-25-2008 03:29 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Bump It's been almost two months :D any more word on these AK 74s ? Thanks.

SilverCity | 09-25-2008 03:47 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans I have been wondering the same thing. Seems the deal I had in the works for a Polish Tantal fell through. Apparently, Atlantic Firearms is too busy for my business. :thumpdown The local FFL here can't get them to return his emails and doesn't want to deal with them anymore. :no_ma: I'll give Chet at Lancaster a call about those Bulgarians and find out the status... Here is their website: http://www.lancasterarms.com/NEW%20A...OL%20PAGE.html

Onboard | 09-25-2008 03:52 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1312864) I have been wondering the same thing. Seems the deal I had in the works for a Polish Tantal fell through. Apparently, Atlantic Firearms is too busy for my business. :thumpdown The local FFL here can't get them to return his emails and doesn't want to deal with them anymore. :no_ma: I'll give Chet at Lancaster a call about those Bulgarians and let everyone know...
Thanks SilverCity, I'll watch for your update.

JJ_ | 09-25-2008 08:45 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans mags n ammo... http://www.classicarms.us/ TANTAL MAGS http://www.classicarms.us/images/TANTALMAG.jpg ORIGINAL 30 ROUND BAKELITE MAGS FOR THE POLISH TANTAL RIFLES.........19.95 EA. 5.45X39 AMMO http://www.classicarms.us/images/crletter%20198.jpg IN A WORLD OF SKYROCKETING AMMO PRICES, WE HAVE FOUND A GREAT DEAL, AND WE ARE PASSING IT ON TO YOU. BULGARIAN, 5.45X39, NON-CORROSIVE, STEEL CORE, 30 RDS PER BOX IN 1080 ROUND TINS. THIS IS REALLY NICE STUFF. FOR YOUR CONVIENECE WE OFFER 3 DIFFERENT QUANTITIES . WHILE SUPPLIES LAST 300 RDS....$55.00.-----------600 RDS.....$99.95 ----------- 1080 TIN.... $175.00

eat_beef | 09-25-2008 10:49 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans 175? What a ripoff! Aim has Russian for 119. You can get wolf N/C for that price.

Worldmariner | 09-25-2008 11:17 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Quote:
Originally Posted by Hivemindgammahydra7 (Post 1203500) The Achilles Heel with the '74 is the ammo. While it's true that it's cheap right now, remember that no one in the U.S. manufactures this ammo at all. If/when 5.45 x 39 imports get cut off - and I'd wager that they will be within the next 18-24 months (or less) - all AK-74 owners will have is an unusual-looking club.
I WAS THINKING THE EXACT SAME THING!

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Worldmariner | 09-25-2008 11:27 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1313477) IN A WORLD OF SKYROCKETING AMMO PRICES, WE HAVE FOUND A GREAT DEAL, AND WE ARE PASSING IT ON TO YOU. BULGARIAN, 5.45X39, NON-CORROSIVE, STEEL CORE, 30 RDS PER BOX IN 1080 ROUND TINS. THIS IS REALLY NICE STUFF. FOR YOUR CONVIENECE WE OFFER 3 DIFFERENT QUANTITIES . WHILE SUPPLIES LAST 300 RDS....$55.00.-----------600 RDS.....$99.95 ----------- 1080 TIN.... $175.00
"Steel core" is a euphimism for "armor piercing" in the State of Florida. Florida prohibits the posession of many VERY COOL kinds of ammo, including, to the best of my knowledge, ANY armor piercing ("steel core", "tungsten core", "magnetic") ammo for a rifle. If anyone here has better information on FL state ammo laws, PLEASE DO SHARE!!

JJ_ | 09-25-2008 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by eat_beef (Post 1313778) 175? What a ripoff! Aim has Russian for 119. You can get wolf N/C for that price.
:Sorry: Sorry.. didn't shop around... just came across it. want me to pull it?:D

Big_Rob | 09-26-2008 10:23 AM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldmariner (Post 1313894) "Steel core" is a euphimism for "armor piercing" in the State of Florida. Florida prohibits the posession of many VERY COOL kinds of ammo, including, to the best of my knowledge, ANY armor piercing ("steel core", "tungsten core", "magnetic") ammo for a rifle. If anyone here has better information on FL state ammo laws, PLEASE DO SHARE!!
You can possess and sell steel core ammo in Florida. I know a guy at the Ft. Lauderdale show that sells it all day long is many different calibers and has done so many years. Heck, I stocked up on 7.62X39 SC when he was selling it for 25 cents a round. Now he sells it a buck a round. Tungsten core is also legal, Barnes makes a tungsten core round for big game hunting Now explosive tipped ammo is a different story. That as far as I know is illegal.

tulsamal | 09-26-2008 11:11 AM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Got to add me to the list of people who love 5.45x39. I started out with a SAR-2 back when you could get them from SOG for $199. I bought a few hundred rounds of ammo. Then I bought a thousand. Then I bought another thousand. That last thousand is still in the unopened tin. I used some of the other one to fill a bunch of 30 round mags. I probably haven't fired 20 rounds of it in the last year. So I'm not too worried about "running out of ammo." I've shot some medium sized varmints with the round and was astounded at the damage. You don't want to take one of those in the chest! I've got AK's in all three calibers and with three different stock configurations. I still love my AR's the best but AK's do have their place. Gregg

SilverCity | 09-26-2008 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Onboard (Post 1312875) Thanks SilverCity, I'll watch for your update.
Talked to Lancaster Arms this morning...they are looking now at about sometime between November 1st and mid-November for the Bulgarian AK-74's. I would bet if he gets them in time, he will have them for sale by the crateful at the December 5th gunshow in Phoenix...I do plan on being there, Lord willing.

SilverCity | 09-26-2008 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Worldmariner (Post 1313866) I WAS THINKING THE EXACT SAME THING!
At 12 cents per round, you can probably afford to buy all you will need, practically speaking, for many years to come... Buy it cheap, and stack it deep! Plus, when the Russians invade here, you will have immediate re-supply...if you manage to survive.

Agamemnon | 09-26-2008 06:08 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans Quote:
Originally Posted by Hivemindgammahydra7 (Post 1203500) The Achilles Heel with the '74 is the ammo. While it's true that it's cheap right now, remember that no one in the U.S. manufactures this ammo at all. If/when 5.45 x 39 imports get cut off - and I'd wager that they will be within the next 18-24 months (or less) - all AK-74 owners will have is an unusual-looking club.
There's a horsefly in the ointment. .

eat_beef | 09-26-2008 10:09 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans I love the "you'll run out of ammo" arguement. Kinda like 6 FRN silver. "When it gets to 13 bucks, you won't be able to find any". No poop sherlock. That's why I found it then.:rolleyes_m: ETA: Silver City, do you have any idea what Lancaster will be charging? I'm thinking 750-1k. I would love to have one (ahem), but I doubt I'll fork over that much.

SilverCity | 09-26-2008 11:30 PM
Re: Good News for AK-74 Fans ETA: Silver City, do you have any idea what Lancaster will be charging? I'm thinking 750-1k. I would love to have one (ahem), but I doubt I'll fork over that much.[/QUOTE] Don't know yet Beef...I plan on finding out and I'll let you know when they come in. Very disappointed that Atlantic Firearms wouldn't (couldn't) come through with the Tantal...:thumpdown

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