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reviver | 02-23-2009 11:51 AM
Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised Subject: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised All of you concealed carry license holders: Be aware that your identity and address has just been posted on the Arkansas Times web site for all to see. Please go to: http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkans...comment-195208 and click on "It's a big old file" to download the list. This is uncalled for. It�s a list of gun owners and their addresses. What his intention was in publishing this list is beyond me. You might want to let him know what you think about it. Quote:
Arkansas Blog Annals of gun nuttery The gun crowd has gone berserk in Tennessee because The Commercial Appeal in Memphis has posted on-line the names of all holders of concealed weapon permits in the state. It's a public record. The list in Arkansas is public record, too. Care to see it? It's a big ol' file, hard to manipulate, about 7 megs. Tens of thousands of names (and a huge surge of new apps in the pipeline, State Police say, whether because of the post-Obama gun-buying frenzy or the phases of the moon or just happenstance.) It's yours on demand from the State Police, available in a spreadhseet format by e-mail. Have fun searching for your friends. But I've checked this much: The current governor and the current congressional delegation are not in possession of concealed carry permits. The Huckabees, Janet and Mike, are armed.

SLV>GLD | 02-23-2009 11:59 AM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised While perusing the Commercial Appeal site mentioned in Tennessee's leading the charge of publicizing permit holders I found an interesting article that says lawmakers are seeking to make felons of those who carry guns without permits, all in the name of stopping crime, of course. This is proof positive that I do not need nor want a permit to carry. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...alties-pushed/ Unintended consequences, here we come.

EE_ | 02-23-2009 12:25 PM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised I wonder if David Huckabee got a CCL too?

Agamemnon | 02-23-2009 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by reviver (Post 1588359) This is uncalled for. It�s a list of gun owners and their addresses. What his intention was in publishing this list is beyond me.
It was already published before it was published by the papers. Eyes open yet ?

reviver | 02-23-2009 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Agamemnon (Post 1589563) Eyes open yet ?
I'm trying, Ag, I'm trying.

elroy | 02-23-2009 10:14 PM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised Rest assured the anti-gun people will stop at nothing to demonize gun owners and in the end ban ALL guns. Through taxes, laws, restrictions, publicity or whatever it takes.

platinumdude | 02-23-2009 10:16 PM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised Is there a link to the list?

Twisted Avatar | 02-23-2009 10:19 PM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised THEY SHOULD POST ALL THE COPS LAWYERS, JUDGES AND POLITICIANS INFORMATION TOO THERE SHOULDNT BE NO PROBLEMS WITH THIS RIGHT??? I MEAN AFTER ALL ........FAIR IS FAIR IS FAIR. T

platinumdude | 02-23-2009 10:24 PM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised Found the link. http://www.commercialappeal.com/data/gunpermits/ Records 1-25 of 219024

Twisted Avatar | 02-23-2009 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1589642) Found the link. http://www.commercialappeal.com/data/gunpermits/ Records 1-25 of 219024
That is a classic PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION play. Problem......Put Gun owner information out there. Foment widespread discontent and indignation. Reaction.... Gun owner are more apt to defend themselves and several fatalies occur THAT NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED if the old system was maintained. Solution.......Stricter gun laws to reduce the "up surge" in violence. Wash,Rinse,Repeat. T

Goldfinger | 02-23-2009 10:34 PM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised Who cares? I just don't get the paranoia some of you have with being on some stupid list. It reminds me of the warnings back in elementary school when the teacher told me something wasn't going to go on my permanent record. I didn't care then and I couldn't care less now. If there are lists being kept, I'm 100% sure I'm on it and I wouldn't have it any other way. WTF?

goldgun | 02-23-2009 10:43 PM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised I think we should post the reporters home address,phone number and family member names. Along with a google maps picture of their home. :565:

platinumdude | 02-23-2009 10:47 PM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised http://www.arkansasgunpermits.com/search/search.php That is the arkansas one. That list didn't mention addresses, only the zipcode.

mick silver | 02-23-2009 10:50 PM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised next week a list of people who dont like the way government fuc. the people , then week two the people who want to be lift alone an live free , this just pisses me off more an more , let post about the judges that dont do there jobs are the cops that are bad You Tube
You Tube

goldgun | 02-23-2009 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Goldfinger (Post 1589664) Who cares? I just don't get the paranoia some of you have with being on some stupid list. It reminds me of the warnings back in elementary school when the teacher told me something wasn't going to go on my permanent record. I didn't care then and I couldn't care less now. If there are lists being kept, I'm 100% sure I'm on it and I wouldn't have it any other way. WTF?
It is not the list in the authorities hands that I care about. It is telling the criminals that I may have a gun in my home and that could possibly make my home a target. All the criminals would have to do it wait until I leave and break in. Hopefully my teenage daughter would not be at home. What would you do if your kid was murdered because some criminals used the list the reporter posted on the web to break into your house?

mick silver | 02-23-2009 11:00 PM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised You Tube
You Tube

Goldfinger | 02-23-2009 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by goldgun (Post 1589694) It is not the list in the authorities hands that I care about. It is telling the criminals that I may have a gun in my home and that could possibly make my home a target. All the criminals would have to do it wait until I leave and break in. Hopefully my teenage daughter would not be at home. What would you do if your kid was murdered because some criminals used the list the reporter posted on the web to break into your house?
Quite frankly, I would be more concerned about a theif tracing my whereabouts after seeing me post on a pro gold ownership forum, but to each his own I guess.

GoldWampum | 02-23-2009 11:16 PM
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reviver: This is uncalled for. It�s a list of gun owners and their addresses. What his intention was in publishing this list is beyond me. You might want to let him know what you think about it.
He's got bosses who are getting a bit uncomfortable. They thought the "surge" in Iraq was wonderful, but the "up surge" at home is not so pretty.

platinumdude | 02-24-2009 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Goldfinger (Post 1589709) Quite frankly, I would be more concerned about a theif tracing my whereabouts after seeing me post on a pro gold ownership forum, but to each his own I guess.
I think that is difficult to do unless your talking about the government. You have to find the I.P. address of the person, and if they're spoofing forget it. Then you have to hack into their ISP and find the records of the I.P used at the time of the post, and you have to hack into more records to find the user and the user's home address.

Curtman | 02-24-2009 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Goldfinger (Post 1589664) Who cares? I just don't get the paranoia some of you have with being on some stupid list. It reminds me of the warnings back in elementary school when the teacher told me something wasn't going to go on my permanent record. I didn't care then and I couldn't care less now. If there are lists being kept, I'm 100% sure I'm on it and I wouldn't have it any other way. WTF?
Well your a pretty good guy and I always respected your opinion but this time I think you are wrong. Thats just me. Let me ask you. If they next decided to publish all the people who have purchased gold and silver along with their address's would you feel the same way? I suspect there are a lot of people who have a lot more of their money tied up in guns and supplies than metals. These people have a valid concern. I intend to call the NRA tomorrow and see if they have filed an action on it.

morganchaser | 02-24-2009 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1589838) I think that is difficult to do unless your talking about the government. You have to find the I.P. address of the person, and if they're spoofing forget it. Then you have to hack into their ISP and find the records of the I.P used at the time of the post, and you have to hack into more records to find the user and the user's home address.
4chan posters regularly track people down based on nothing but a email address or livejournal account. Next thing they know: daddy is getting naked pictures of his daughter mailed to his workplace. ISPs are cooperative enough: hacking is not usually necessary to reverse an IP.

C4talyst | 02-24-2009 01:27 AM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised The Roanoke Times did this to Virginia CCW holders a few years ago. The home addresses and phone numbers of all their senior editors were then posted on a pro-gun website.

End of Hope | 02-24-2009 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1589626) THEY SHOULD POST ALL THE COPS LAWYERS, JUDGES AND POLITICIANS INFORMATION TOO THERE SHOULDNT BE NO PROBLEMS WITH THIS RIGHT??? I MEAN AFTER ALL ........FAIR IS FAIR IS FAIR. T
I'm sure that's "illegal." The laws are for YOU, not "them."

igorthesmall | 02-24-2009 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by EE_ (Post 1588422) I wonder if David Huckabee got a CCL too?
He was too busy torturing a dog to death to fill out the CCL paperwork. Besides, if he ever gets caught with an illegal gun, his daddy will fix things for him.

TTAZZMAN | 02-24-2009 08:57 PM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised ......well now they are forewarned in writing i am dangerous......so they cant claim ignorant when i shoot em...

koyaanisqatsi | 02-24-2009 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Curtman (Post 1589879) Well your a pretty good guy and I always respected your opinion but this time I think you are wrong. Thats just me. Let me ask you. If they next decided to publish all the people who have purchased gold and silver along with their address's would you feel the same way? I suspect there are a lot of people who have a lot more of their money tied up in guns and supplies than metals. These people have a valid concern. I intend to call the NRA tomorrow and see if they have filed an action on it.
I see your point but please consider another point ... A cc permit does not necessarily mean one has a LOT of guns as many cc permittees really do not, many are NOT gun nuts at all, just ONE gunners, trust me I took the class 3 mos ago ... but it means ONLY that the target victim of the burglary has ONE gun on himself when he is away from home. This is far different than the case of a person who has known precious metal waiting at home -- the permittee has rather a known gun on his person when he comes home and potentially finds a burglar invading his own place of final RETREAT ... a legally lethal spot for the perp if surprised by a returning ARMED resident... (potential killing ground is clear defense when there is no opprtunity of retreat, as in home invasion, the target was guns you say, so perp is presumed armed with victim's home guns)... so maybe a quick hot bullet of precious lead for the unfortunately surprised perp possibly, only if the returning dweller has a ccp... surely this would cross his deranged criminal mind. Can you see how this is different than just publishing the names of PM holders and how the PM-alone(no CC) people are really MORE threatened than the CC-alone crowd? And if ya have PMs -- maybe better consider a CC?

GoldWampum | 02-24-2009 09:48 PM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised My address is a postal service. Nobody knows me by the name they would list. And it is public record... Having said that. people posting it in newspapers are assholes who compromise the safety of many people. In a couple of ways really. The people carrying, as well as those who may live because someone was carrying.

dimitri | 02-24-2009 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by morganchaser (Post 1589898) 4chan posters regularly track people down based on nothing but a email address or livejournal account. Next thing they know: daddy is getting naked pictures of his daughter mailed to his workplace. ISPs are cooperative enough: hacking is not usually necessary to reverse an IP.
The Internet's strength is in its anonymity - the key is to not make yourself a public figure on the web. Don't jump into Facebook, Myspace, etc. and publish everything about you - that's how 4chan gets people = because people make a nice, searchable story of their life and everyone they know on the net for everyone to see.

The Argent Dragon | 02-24-2009 10:40 PM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised No CHL over here............thought about it.....but nope. :puke:

Atahualpa | 02-24-2009 10:59 PM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised Texas CHL holders information is not available to the public...it used to be but not anymore. I believe the logic behind the new privacy law was so criminals can't look up and know if a potential break in victim is armed or not...to keep them guessing. I would think being on a list of armed people would deter a criminal from selecting you for crimes...there are easier pickings than somebody trained and armed who knows the legal grounds for killing you.

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Mike C | 02-24-2009 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1589626) THEY SHOULD POST ALL THE COPS LAWYERS, JUDGES AND POLITICIANS INFORMATION TOO THERE SHOULDNT BE NO PROBLEMS WITH THIS RIGHT??? I MEAN AFTER ALL ........FAIR IS FAIR IS FAIR. T
Hey, why do you have to throw innocent people in this mess as well? The cops don't have anything to do with this, and they are the ones most likely to be AGAINST this kind of crap anyways. It's not their fault some lame ass votes this into law. It's the little old people that are anti guns that you need to be focusing this on, not the ones most likely to be pro-guns(yeah, the cops, as most of them DO like guns). Think about it, most cops are pro guns, especially pro carry, I know I sure the hell am! Politicians on the other hand, they are a different breed altogether.

Curtman | 02-25-2009 05:23 AM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised OK I will look at this from the plausible deniability angle. Cops/ Your weopon was used in a crime. Gun owner/ Yes that gun was stolen not long after the dirtbag released all the CWP holders and their addresses on the Internet. Sounds like reasonable doubt to me. We are just getting spanked for the freedom of information act. It never should have been an invitation to invade the individuals right to private papers & property but retaliation is the way of politics isn't it?

Family Man | 02-25-2009 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Goldfinger (Post 1589664) Who cares? I just don't get the paranoia some of you have with being on some stupid list. It reminds me of the warnings back in elementary school when the teacher told me something wasn't going to go on my permanent record. I didn't care then and I couldn't care less now. If there are lists being kept, I'm 100% sure I'm on it and I wouldn't have it any other way. WTF?
+1 I'm on lists. I am on lists because I chose to exercise my rights of speech, assembly, and to train with firearms. All Constitutionally protected, all got me on lists. Appalling as it would be to the Founders, it is normal and customery for our police state weasels. Their lists make them feel strong, but I do not care. I know of someone else who is keeping a "list", and I will put my trust in HIM. The LORD keeps lists too, and those horse theiving, perverted, rotten commies in D.C. are on His. I sleep fine every night.:biggrin:

GoldWampum | 02-25-2009 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Curtman (Post 1592458) OK I will look at this from the plausible deniability angle. Cops/ Your weopon was used in a crime. Gun owner/ Yes that gun was stolen not long after the dirtbag released all the CWP holders and their addresses on the Internet. Sounds like reasonable doubt to me. We are just getting spanked for the freedom of information act. It never should have been an invitation to invade the individuals right to private papers & property but retaliation is the way of politics isn't it?
Your point is well taken Curtman. Given the circumstances however, we must currently make a choice in most cases to carry with or without the permit and take any benefits or consequences of either choice. Some will undoubtedly choose one and some will choose the other. I would hope that these circumstances do not have much of an affect on whether or not individuals will prepare to protect themselves or even others. We certainly need more of the good guys armed.

leadfoot | 02-25-2009 10:19 AM
Re: Concealed Carry Holders Be Advised A paper in Florida did this a number of years back. They thought by outing ccw's it would bring peer/community pressure on them to stop carrying. The result was that ccw info was exempted from State Sunshine (public records) Law.

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