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Hivemindgammahydra7 | 08-06-2008 10:10 PM
BPA held at gunpoint - here in the United States! "'It is fortunate that this incident didn't end in a very ugly gunfight,' said the local's posting." http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...guns-to-agent/

The Argent Dragon | 08-06-2008 10:41 PM
Re: BPA held at gunpoint - here in the United States! Whew........I thought they held U at gunpoint........got me goin' there for a minute. Still not good. :confused_ma:

platinumdude | 08-07-2008 12:57 AM
Re: BPA held at gunpoint - here in the United States! The backup agents should of hunted down and killed the invaders.

CyberGold | 08-07-2008 01:03 AM
Re: BPA held at gunpoint - here in the United States! This type of thing happens all the time down here. You don't go off the pavement without being armed.

Silverstone | 08-07-2008 01:42 AM
Re: BPA held at gunpoint - here in the United States! This so pisses me off.

ConfusedUs | 08-07-2008 02:21 AM
Re: BPA held at gunpoint - here in the United States! And not so much as a peep from the criminals in DC! We really need some assassinations in our government!:no_ma:

WAoG | 08-07-2008 02:31 AM
Re: BPA held at gunpoint - here in the United States! Quote:
Originally Posted by ConfusedUs (Post 1226734) And not so much as a peep from the criminals in DC! We really need some assassinations in our government!:no_ma:
You execute the scum!! Tar, feather, rope and such. Assassinations are done mostly to the good guys by the sum that need tar, feather, rope and such.

ConfusedUs | 08-07-2008 02:44 AM
Re: BPA held at gunpoint - here in the United States! Quote:
Originally Posted by WAoG (Post 1226740) You execute the scum!! Tar, feather, rope and such. Assassinations are done mostly to the good guys by the sum that need tar, feather, rope and such.
Dumb statement! You could count the number of "good guys" from the White House on down to our sold out Congress, Senate and government agencies on 1 hand and still have fingers left over!

Twisted Avatar | 08-07-2008 06:14 AM
Re: BPA held at gunpoint - here in the United States! Quote:
Originally Posted by Hivemindgammahydra7 (Post 1226451) "'It is fortunate that this incident didn't end in a very ugly gunfight,' said the local's posting." http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...guns-to-agent/
A U.S. Border Patrol agent was held at gunpoint Sunday night by members of the Mexican military who had crossed the border into Arizona, but the soldiers returned to Mexico without incident when backup agents responded to assist. Agents assigned to the Border Patrol station at Ajo, Ariz., said the Mexican soldiers crossed the international border in an isolated area about 100 miles southwest of Tucson and pointed rifles at the agent, who was not identified. It was unclear what the soldiers were doing in the United States, but U.S. law enforcement authorities have long said that current and former Mexican military personnel have been hired to protect drug and migrant smugglers. "Unfortunately, this sort of behavior by Mexican military personnel has been going on for years," union Local 2544 of the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC) said on its Web page. "They are never held accountable, and the United States government will undoubtedly brush this off as another case of 'Oh well, they didn't know they were in the United States.' "It is fortunate that this incident didn't end in a very ugly gunfight," said the local's posting. The NBPC represents all nonsupervisory personnel among the agency's 16,000 agents. Border Patrol spokesman Michael Friel did not return calls for comment Tuesday. State Department spokeswoman Nicole Thompson said Tuesday that the department had no information on the incident, and referred further questions to the Border Patrol. "It is not an incident that we are aware of," she said. Ricardo Alday, spokesman at the Mexican Embassy in Washington, said Tuesday that Mexico and the United States are engaged in "an all-out struggle to deter criminal organizations from operating on both sides of our common border." "Law enforcement operations have led, from time to time, to innocent incursions by both U.S. and Mexican law enforcement personnel and military units into the territory of both nations, and in particular along non-demarcated areas of our border," he said. We always try to solve these incidents in a cooperative fashion, and as acknowledged by the Border Patrol, this was the case in the episode at Ajo," he said. Since 1996, there have been more than 200 confirmed incursions by the Mexican military into the United States. Local 2544, the largest in the NBPC, is headed by veteran Border Patrol agent Edward "Bud" Tuffly II. He noted on the Web page that the local's leadership would "withhold further comment on this incident until we see how our leaders handle it." "We don't have much confidence in most of them," the local's posting said. Sunday night's incident bears similarities to other incursions by armed men in Mexican military gear in recent years: cThe incident occurred in the same area where heavily armed Mexican soldiers riding in a Humvee shot at a Border Patrol agent in 2002. A .50-caliber bullet ripped through the agent's rear window as he sped away. Mexican officials denied at the time that the shooters were Mexican soldiers, saying they were criminals using military uniforms. It is a position they steadfastly have maintained. But the agent who reported encountering the gunfire was certain he saw soldiers, said Mr. Tuffly. He said at the time that the agent was able to identify their attire "down to a T, and it matched exactly what they [Mexican soldiers] wear." That purported incursion began after a Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation police ranger reported being chased by men in a Humvee. cA year ago, U.S. law enforcement authorities were confronted by gunfire from automatic weapons as they chased and caught a drug-smuggling suspect in Texas trying to flee back into Mexico, the Hudspeth County (Texas) Sheriff's Office said. No one was hurt in that incident, and the gunmen were not identified, although the area has been the scene of similar incidents over several months, including a confrontation in January 2007, when heavily armed men in Mexican military uniforms fired on Texas officers with a .50-caliber machine gun mounted on a camouflaged Humvee. The men were identified at the time by Hudspeth County Sheriff Arvin West as "soldiers." In that incident, Hudspeth County deputies pursued three sport utility vehicles back to Mexico after spotting them driving north from the Rio Grande. The pursuit ended on the U.S. side of the border when the deputies encountered 10 heavily armed men in what they described as battle-dress uniforms. At that time, deputies found 1,400 pounds of marijuana in one of the vehicles abandoned after it blew a tire early in the pursuit. Another made it into Mexico and a third got stuck in the Rio Grande and was burned by the "soldiers" after it was unloaded. cIn November 2007, the Border Patrol chased a dump truck full of marijuana in the same area when it also got stuck in the river while trying to return to Mexico. While agents sought to unload 3 tons of marijuana, the driver - who had fled - returned with a heavily armed group of men wearing Mexican military uniforms and carrying military-style weapons. The soldiers backed the agents away and bulldozed the truck back into Mexico. "Nothing was ever done," Local 2544 said. "Nobody was ever held accountable. Particularly galling is the fact that the Mexican military often pulls these stunts in Humvees donated to them by the American taxpayers. We note that Border Patrol agents have historically driven worn-out, junk vehicles." A coalition of Texas border sheriffs has demanded that the U.S. and Mexican governments investigate incursions into the United States by heavily armed drug escorts dressed in Mexican military uniforms "before someone gets killed." Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez Jr. of Zapata County, Texas, who founded the coalition, said a growing number of suspected incursions and violence aimed at the area's law enforcement officers is making the border "a pretty dangerous place." Sheriff Gonzalez said three of his deputies in 2006 spotted 25 men dressed in military uniforms in the U.S. during a late-night patrol. He said the men marched two abreast and carried duffel bags and automatic weapons, and that his "outmanned and outgunned deputies" were forced to retreat. "The only thing you can do in that kind of situation is seek cover," Sheriff Gonzalez said. "I'm not going to lose someone in an unfair fight." The State Department on Tuesday also confirmed a separate case in which two California police officers were arrested at the border Friday on charges of attempting to smuggle guns, ammunition and training materials into Mexico. A Mexican court is expected to decide Wednesday whether the two Monterey County officers will remain in jail or be released on bail. The U.S. Consulate in Tijuana said Mexico holds the largest population of U.S. prisoners outside the United States.

Twisted Avatar | 08-07-2008 06:24 AM
Re: BPA held at gunpoint - here in the United States! Remember this axiom :WHAT GUBBERMINT WANTS...........GUBBERMINTS GETS. We have the most tyranical security agency at our airports for tweezers and 3oz of baby oil. domestic law enforcement that can taze and kill citenzen for asking a dam question but somehow we can have guns pointed in our face and posible international hostage situation occur and nothing happens?? Who is fooling who?? This is ment to foment more animosity among the populace to clamor for "big daddy" to fix the problem.More regulation and laws to restict what YOU do. not them. T

____hoot____ | 08-07-2008 09:30 AM
Re: BPA held at gunpoint - here in the United States! Happens all the time down in Mexico too. One group of drug smuggleing cops or federalyees or soldiers crosses another group working for a different gang and a shootout happens. Scores killed at a infamous one at the Vera Cruz airport a few years ago. Last time I was in PV I counted pigs in eight different uniforms in the same little resort town.

Big_Rob | 08-07-2008 10:08 AM
Re: BPA held at gunpoint - here in the United States! I remember when I was like 14-15, Me and my family went to Neuvo Laredo and had a blast. We wouldn't be able to do that these days...

TheBigWookie | 08-07-2008 12:03 PM
Re: BPA held at gunpoint - here in the United States! We will spend $49 Billion on a fence that doesn't do very much .. the govt did get to buy land on the cheap from landowners, giving them pennies on the dollar for that. We can't enforce our borders with a fence .. bunch of maroons. Our smart leaders in Washington would rather protect Afghanistan's poppies and Iraq's oil, Lord only knows what S Korea has besides electronics with our military. Meanwhile drug czars smuggle their goods into this country and you can bet that a lot of that graft gets passed along to some of DC's policy makers. I wonder what might happen if the Mexican army/mafia could make it's way to Crawford Texas and open a can of whoop ass there.

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 08-07-2008 12:49 PM
Re: BPA held at gunpoint - here in the United States! Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBigWookie (Post 1227141) Our smart leaders in Washington would rather protect Afghanistan's poppies and Iraq's oil, Lord only knows what S Korea has besides electronics with our military. Meanwhile drug czars smuggle their goods into this country and you can bet that a lot of that graft gets passed along to some of DC's policy makers.
Excellent points. I wonder just how much our government and government officials are into this drug trade thing, be it the profits, the product, or whatever. Will we ever know the answer on this side of Eternity?

Silver Spoon | 08-08-2008 03:33 AM
Re: BPA held at gunpoint - here in the United States! Why is this in the firearms sub-forum and not the main one? I nearly missed it (got my guns, got me ammo no need to talk about 'em anymore)

Worldmariner | 10-06-2008 12:53 AM
Re: BPA held at gunpoint - here in the United States! Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberGold (Post 1226693) This type of thing happens all the time down here. You don't go off the pavement without being armed.
I know a guy in Texas that used to work in the Border Patrol. He has made comments that "we" are often on the "wrong" side of the border, and the Mexican Border guys are often on the "wrong" side of th eborder. He said that mostly though, it is never a problem, and the offending party simply redirects themselves to the correct side. I imagine that Washington and Mexico City DF are just "letting it go" so as not to blow a relatively minor incident into a media and diplomatic angst fest that simply does not need to happen. Some people call it: "allowing cooler and more reasonable minds to prevail". AKA: This is the grown-up way of dealing with a relatively insignificant incident.

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