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GB1980 | 01-14-2009 12:56 PM
It's Started--food for thought This is what the new guy in office (�the one�) and his liberal friends have on their agenda in Illinois�.�and several other states �...No He won�t take you guns�.. Synopsis As Introduced Creates the Ammunition Accountability Act. Provides that all firearm ammunition manufactured or sold in the State of Illinois on or after January 1, 2010 shall be coded by the manufacturer. Provides that effective January 1, 2010, all firearm ammunition used within the State of Illinois shall be coded by the manufacturer. Provides that on or after January 1, 2010, a person in possession of non-coded ammunition that was manufactured prior to January 1, 2010, may transfer the same only to an heir, to an individual residing in another state maintaining the ammunition in another state, or to a federally licensed firearms dealer. Provides that the Department of State Police shall be responsible for establishing and maintaining an Ammunition Coding System Database (ACSD) containing specified information. Establishes penalties and exemptions. Establishes penalties and exemptions. House Amendment No. 1 Provides that there is no rulemaking authority under the Act, but that the Governor may suggest rules by filing them with the General Assembly and requesting that the General Assembly authorize such rulemaking by law, enact the suggested rules into law, or take other appropriate action in the General Assembly�s discretion. Help Pass the Ammunition Accountability Act The 2008 Legislative session has begun, and the Ammunition Accountability Act is being introduced across the country. Below is a summary of legislation that has been introduced throughout the United States. To view the bills' status click on the links to the individual bills. Sample Legislation: The Ammunition Accountability Act Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington. Specific legislation for each state, go to: http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm Synopsis As Introduced Creates the Regulated Firearms Encoded Ammunition Act and amends the State Finance Act. Provides that a manufacturer of ammunition for handguns and certain specified assault weapons sold in this State after January 1, 2009 must encode the ammunition in such a manner that the Director of State Police establishes. Provides that ammunition contained in one ammunition box may not be labeled with the same serial number as the ammunition contained in any other ammunition box from the same manufacturer. Provides that on or before January 1, 2011, an owner of ammunition for use in a regulated firearm that is not encoded by the manufacturer shall dispose of the ammunition. Provides that beginning on January 1, 2009, the Director of State Police shall establish and maintain an encoded ammunition database. Creates the Ammunition Accountability Fund as a special fund in the State treasury. Provides that subject to appropriation, the Department of State Police may use moneys from the Fund to establish and maintain the encoded ammunition database. Provides that beginning January 1, 2009, each person selling encoded ammunition at retail in this State shall collect from retail customers a fee of $0.05 for each round that is sold and delivered in this State. Establishes civil and criminal penalties for violations of the Regulated Firearms Encoded Ammunition Act. Effective January 1, 2009. > The second amendment is there to protect the first amendment > Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 > It has already started... > > Ammunition Accountability Legislation > > Remember how Obama said that he wasn't going to take your guns? > Well, it seems that his allies in the anti-gun world have no problem with taking your ammo! > > The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and Indiana ) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the > manufacture a data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy and what > calibers. > Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded. > Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.) They will also charge > a .05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more! > > If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your gun! > > This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: > Alabama , Arizona , California , Connecticut , Hawaii , Illinois , > Indiana , Kentucky , Maryland , Mississippi , Missouri , New Jersey , New York , > Pennsylvania , Rhode Island , South Carolina , Tennessee , and Washington . > > Send to your friends in these states AND fight to dissolve this BILL!! > > To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this legislation and the specific legislation for each state, go > to: > http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm 1) Even though this could be mandated across the country, the criminal would purchase his unmarked bullets and reload his own. He would not have the unmarked rounds destroyed by 2011 as mandated by law. He is a criminal and wouldn't obey the law. The article in the Seattle Weekly states "We already find that gun laws don't do a whole lot there because a lot of your suspects aren't people who follow all the laws," O'Neill says. He expects the same thing to happen with ammunition if serialization is legally mandated�a new black market in unregistered serial numbers and stolen bullets.' Gee, a criminal obeying the law? Who'd a thunk it? 2) The ammunition I currently purchase doesn't have this marking on there. I'm not going to break the law, so why should I be punished for those that do? Why not address the causes of crime, and not penalize the law abiding citizens? 3) You state up to $500,000 is amortized across the cost of the bullets. And there would be a 'small administration fee' for the registration of those bullets. Guess whom would end up paying for those costs? Me. Do you honestly think the bullet maker would absorb those costs? Not in any way shape or form. Basic economics state taxes on companies are passed onto the consumer. Take a good look at the recent gas crisis. The oil companies had billions in profits, but none of the increased cost of the oil was absorbed. The oil companies passed the cost of the increased oil to us. They didn't absorb one dime. They passed ALL costs onto you and me. It's going to be the same here. 4) In the article you have on your website, it states, they couldn't find an ammunition maker willing to adopt it. So under the guise of a 'safer and easier to trace bullet', they went to the lawmakers, who know less about the ammunition trade, to force the issue. Do you think the ammunition makers know something you guys don't? It's like asking a non-pilot an aviation question. Not a good match. Mace and Ford spent four and a half years and about $200,000 securing the patent for their ammunition tracking system. So here's the scenario, in the name of a greater good, they are undermining the liberties that make this country what it is. If no ammunition maker wants this, they couldn't make any money. Do you think they would be as sincere if they only spent $200? No. The same article states: 'Of course, if legislation is passed requiring coding that they alone are in the business of producing, they stand to make a pretty penny as well.' Sound familiar? 5) Additionally the article states 'most beer cans, he (Ford) notes, have a stamp showing where and when they originated, making it possible to track if there's a problem with the contents on the consumer end.' Now, how many people have tracked down a single beer can since it left the store? Zero. It goes back to money. Whom do you think pays for this? Me, the consumer, and I'm not going to pay for a scheme that won't work and everyone sees it except those whose cause is more for gun control, than working on the correct solution. Gun registration has been around for years, and only 1% or so, according to the FBI, aids them in finding the perpetrator. It's only in the movies where the guy who bought the gun is actually the one who committed the murder. In the end this is akin to gun regestration. It only penalizes the lawful consumer, not make it easier to catch the criminals.

mayhem | 01-14-2009 01:32 PM
Re: It's Started--food for thought The technology is owned by one company. They(the gooberment) will not create a monopoly. It will be destroyed in courts. Until the tech is shared it is just fear mongering.

The Argent Dragon | 01-14-2009 02:44 PM
Re: It's Started--food for thought Quote:
This is what the new guy in office (�the one�) and his liberal friends have on their agenda in Illinois�.�and several other states �...No He won�t take you guns�..
More food for thought : Let's say everyone can KEEP their guns - but transfers are now exclusive through FFL's and only to FFL's meaning without a license you cannot BUY any new guns. Your old ones can only be sold to FFL's. Now, here's where the fun starts (sarcasm) : Prices on AK's (and other EBR's) over the next few years double and triple and quadruple in price and then some. $1000 to $2000 to $5000+ !!! It'll be hard to resist for some to NOT sell their AK's for $5k a pop of course knowing they can NEVER re-purchase again without getting an FFL which most will NOT. FREE-MARKET right and it'll thin out gun ownership to just the 'wealthy' in America just like Full-Auto's these days. Heck, in 10-years you might see semi-auto AK's for $10,000 while a Full-Auto preban fetches $80,000 or more........do you see where it goes ? No SWAT team needed - we get PRICED out......or at least weak hands do. :36_1_28:

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