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Ebie | 08-04-2009 12:25 AM
In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Do they do this? Why?

Cassius | 08-04-2009 12:27 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally It looks cool I guess?

Ares | 08-04-2009 12:28 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebie (Post 1850826) Do they do this? Why?
To look "cool" I guess. It isn't good for accuracy, and it serves no other purpose other than an "image" the attacker is presenting. If you're on the other side of some thug holding a gun at you horizontally you're more than likely safer than he is if you run and find cover and present your piece vertically like it's supposed to be.

latitude22 | 08-04-2009 12:28 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally It's cause dey GANGSTA YO!!

Fixture | 08-04-2009 12:32 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebie (Post 1850826) Do they do this? Why?
Supposedly shooting a semi-automatic handgun through the back passenger of a 1970's Chevy, the handgun is held like that to ensure the ejected brass stays in the car. Too many shooters were getting caught via fragmented fingerprints on the expended brass. Why some hold the gun like that while on the streets is beyond me.

Ebie | 08-04-2009 12:35 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally The fist is in a horizonal position, more natural...?

latitude22 | 08-04-2009 12:35 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally seems like it would have been easier to wear gloves

Cassius | 08-04-2009 12:46 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Why wear ballcaps to the back or side? Same thing. Somewhere between nonconformist and wannabe, who's to say.

Horn | 08-04-2009 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Ebie (Post 1850842) The fist is in a horizonal position, more natural...?
Less natural once fired. Escape velocity would push up on your weakness. Opposing thumb being of importance here.

icarus87 | 08-04-2009 01:11 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Because shooting to ghetto trash bangers isn't about hitting what you aim at, it is about loud noises. It's posturing.

Larus | 08-04-2009 01:14 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Maybe it has something to do w/ recoil? Holding it horizontally, you can fire in rapid succession and use the recoil to sweep a line horizontally across instead of 'up' (at least, that's what I read somewhere)... But probably they just do it because they think they look like a badass. Seems kind of silly to hold a handgun that way.

Government Chee-tos | 08-04-2009 01:15 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally 'caus dat de waay duh gat cum outta duh box yo! :tongue_ma:

LukeNM | 08-04-2009 01:27 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally 1 Attachment(s) This is what the fools need!

bwelkk | 08-04-2009 01:28 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally They think it looks cool. They don't use the sights anyway.

wallew | 08-04-2009 01:42 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Some where on the web, there is a pix of a semi-auto handgun with the sights mounted on the SIDE of the slide. So da gansta's can hold it dat way an hit what dey aiming at... I had it at one time, but I've apparently lost in a computer crash several years ago. LUKENM, DAT'S DA ONE! THX! I now have it saved again. YOU DA MAN!

Dave Thomas | 08-04-2009 02:19 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixture (Post 1850841) Supposedly shooting a semi-automatic handgun through the back passenger of a 1970's Chevy, the handgun is held like that to ensure the ejected brass stays in the car. Too many shooters were getting caught via fragmented fingerprints on the expended brass. Why some hold the gun like that while on the streets is beyond me.
Your post gets the CREEPY award for this thread Fixture!! And no, don't tell us how you know this!! Just funnin ya man! :rofl:

Walter Mitty | 08-04-2009 10:42 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Part of it has to do with how the shoulder joint works. If you just naturally raise your hand and point, you will see your hand is at a 45 degree angle. Canting a pistol somewhat inboard when shooting one handed (particularly with the weak hand) is more comfortable for some people. If you point your hand to the rear without turning your hips you will see your hand is nearly horizontal. Gang members just take it to the extreme and use the horizontal hold all the time, I guess for the cool factor.

damoc | 08-04-2009 11:31 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally see that vid the other day where some gansta wanna be pulled a gun on the scateboarders and they beat the snot out of him did you notice how he held the gun sideways and right next to his head dummy probably never ever shot it. any revolver i own would blow an eardrum if fired from that position.

Tn...Andy | 08-04-2009 11:41 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Quote:
Originally Posted by Government Chee-tos (Post 1850904) 'caus dat de waay duh gat cum outta duh box yo! :tongue_ma:
Hands down, best post of thread....ahahahahaaaaaaaaa

Ebie | 08-04-2009 11:42 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Quote:
Originally Posted by damoc (Post 1851450) see that vid the other day where some gansta wanna be pulled a gun on the scateboarders and they beat the snot out of him did you notice how he held the gun sideways and right next to his head dummy probably never ever shot it. any revolver i own would blow an eardrum if fired from that position.
The video was not clear, but, the gun in question appeared to be an automatic...What did it look like to you? Be well.

Iptuous | 08-04-2009 11:48 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally By even asking the question, you have put more consideration in to the matter than those who do this have, undoubtedly...

damoc | 08-04-2009 11:50 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebie (Post 1851474) The video was not clear, but, the gun in question appeared to be an automatic...What did it look like to you? Be well.
i thought it was a revolver but pretty much same same if it was an auto still not the place to be fireing from.

Twisted Avatar | 08-04-2009 12:10 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally 1 Attachment(s) THUG LIFE........

mozkill | 08-04-2009 12:10 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Have you noticed that in films everyone also closes car doors, with their hand on the inside of the door , in a way that their hand barely missed being slammed in the door? If you taught little kids to close car doors that way they would be missing fingers.

horseshoe3 | 08-04-2009 12:16 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Quote:
Originally Posted by damoc (Post 1851450) see that vid the other day where some gansta wanna be pulled a gun on the scateboarders and they beat the snot out of him did you notice how he held the gun sideways and right next to his head dummy probably never ever shot it. any revolver i own would blow an eardrum if fired from that position.
I noticed that too. The only advantage I could think of is that it keeps it farther out of the opponent's reach.

LukeNM | 08-04-2009 12:23 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally I can't believe you are asking this and it is being answered as a serious question. THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY ARE STUPID, UNTRAINED AND DO NOT KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY HANDLE A FIREARM. If there was any advantage to this don't you think the IDPA guys would be doing it?

Bx3 | 08-04-2009 01:15 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally While not at all related to the "gangsta" method, there is a valid technique to canting a pistol about 45 degrees when shooting with your weak hand. Generally your dominant eye and dominant hand are on the same side (but not always). This means that when shooting with your weak hand that most people bring the sights into alignment by bringing the pistol into alignment with the dominant eye. Whether you shoot with both eyes open (recommended) or only one eye is irrelevant. This brings your weak arm out of a straight mechanical alignment which is one of the leading causes of FTF/FTE (and also poor accuracy) when shooting single handed. The proven technique of canting the pistol about 35-45 degrees aligns the sights to the dominant eye while still keeping the shooting arm locked in a straight and solid position. HTH. Bx3

Irons | 08-04-2009 02:05 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Quote:
Originally Posted by Government Chee-tos (Post 1850904) 'caus dat de waay duh gat cum outta duh box yo! :tongue_ma:
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eat_beef | 08-04-2009 08:06 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1851512) THUG LIFE........
Trigger discipline on the right, none on the left...:rofl: And that microwave is dope, yo.

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 08-04-2009 08:20 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally To each their own. Some people also feel differently about the best way to store bullion: http://imgur.com/t6g5f.jpg ........Not that there's anything wrong with that.....

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C&L 1911 | 08-04-2009 08:54 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx3 (Post 1851625) The proven technique of canting the pistol about 35-45 degrees aligns the sights to the dominant eye while still keeping the shooting arm locked in a straight and solid position. HTH. Bx3
I find myself doing it when shooting either strong hand or weak, but it seems like the angle is greater when shooting weak hand. I've never thought about the hand/eye plane, but it makes sense. The reason I do it is because it feels more natural that way and doesn't strain my shooting arm as much. Also, leaning more into the gun and tucking the non-shooting hand in helps with recoil control, too.

Ag_man | 08-04-2009 09:01 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Yo mang, it beez alls 'bout black cultchure. Like the dude say, it come dat waay otta duh box.

hoarder | 08-04-2009 09:37 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Teevee tells the human cattle how to be cool and they eagerly comply. Teevee has had a long history of "training" us in poor gun handling.

Ebie | 08-04-2009 09:59 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Quote:
Originally Posted by C&L 1911 (Post 1852353) I find myself doing it when shooting either strong hand or weak, but it seems like the angle is greater when shooting weak hand. I've never thought about the hand/eye plane, but it makes sense. The reason I do it is because it feels more natural that way and doesn't strain my shooting arm as much. Also, leaning more into the gun and tucking the non-shooting hand in helps with recoil control, too.
I would suspect that you lose accuracy by this technique. Be well.

C&L 1911 | 08-04-2009 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Ebie (Post 1852440) I would suspect that you lose accuracy by this technique. Be well.
I don't think so. It's still all about trigger control prior to the shot and recoil control after, and the fact that your gun is tilted a little doesn't change that. A 45 degree angle (give or take) is the natural position for your wrist with your arm extended forward, therefore it should be the most optimal position for your body to deal with recoil. In fact, some of the best competition shooters use this technique and teach their students the same.

____hoot____ | 08-04-2009 10:18 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Well, there are some "saturday nite specials" that will fire, eject,and recycle that way, but not when they are held verticle. Yu bos just haven't spent any time in the hod.

Apocalypto | 08-04-2009 10:22 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally My brother used to hate the way Don Johnson would run around on Miami Vice holding his gun with 2 hands. He made it appear as if it weighed 10 pounds. And it's true, I don't think I've ever seen a scene of Crockett holding his gun with one hand.

Raymond | 08-04-2009 10:25 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Before the availability of pistol-mounted laser sights, SWAT team members with ballistic shields (the ones with the armored glass viewports) would hold the pistol sideways with the gun hand in front of the shield so they could see the sights.

Glass | 08-04-2009 11:23 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally I think it is because they can thrust the gun at the opponent as if making a pointing gesture without taking it too much off target. If you have the gun in a vertical position it is harder to do and takes the firearm too far off target. If you check out that ganbangervs skateboarders video you can see him thrusting the firearm at the skater trying to intimidate him. Side on you can thrust your hand back and forth without losing the target. If you did that vertically you would be off target IMO.

Ebie | 08-04-2009 11:35 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Quote:
Originally Posted by Glass (Post 1852571) I think it is because they can thrust the gun at the opponent as if making a pointing gesture without taking it too much off target. If you have the gun in a vertical position it is harder to do and takes the firearm too far off target. If you check out that ganbangervs skateboarders video you can see him thrusting the firearm at the skater trying to intimidate him. Side on you can thrust your hand back and forth without losing the target. If you did that vertically you would be off target IMO.
Good post. Let me rephrase: If one is at very close range, this may make some sense. Why don't professional soldiers or gun experts use this? Perhaps they do, but don't talk about very very close quarter techniques... It is almost assasination technique, and, perhaps that is not usally taught... Be well.

JJ_ | 08-04-2009 11:50 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Because soldiers aren't showmen. They don't intimidate - they kill people and break things. I think glass nailed it.

Big_Rob | 08-05-2009 12:56 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Because actors are by large anti-gun and dont know jack schitt about proper firearm handling

FiftySense | 08-05-2009 02:38 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally They hold it sideways cuz it's easier to balance a 40oz bottle of Olde English 800 on it in the horizontal position. (Note: this is only when there is not enough sufficient pocket space for the 40oz beverage)

PALLADIUM | 08-05-2009 07:51 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Why do they wear their pants down around their knees?!?:moon:

damoc | 08-05-2009 10:13 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Quote:
Originally Posted by ____hoot____ (Post 1852480) Well, there are some "saturday nite specials" that will fire, eject,and recycle that way, but not when they are held verticle. Yu bos just haven't spent any time in the hod.
friend had a old 25 auto that would fire more reliably on its side but jam regularily if held corrrectly. it just took a little gunsmithing to fix

New2This | 08-05-2009 10:24 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally "My brother used to hate the way Don Johnson would run around on Miami Vice holding his gun with 2 hands. He made it appear as if it weighed 10 pounds. And it's true, I don't think I've ever seen a scene of Crockett holding his gun with one hand." In the first two seasons of MV, Crockett carried a BREN-TEN 10mm. It looks on film like it is physically a big gun (though not Desert Eagle .50 sized), and I am sure the kick-back would require most people to hold on with two hands. That said, I have never shot a 10mm pistol, but all the i-net forums say it kicks ass! :sarcasm: http://www.thegunzone.com/brenx/images/sc-bx.jpg http://nordicg3k.tripod.com/sitebuil.../miamibren.jpg PS: The two BREN-TENS made just for MV were actully chambered for .45 blanks, since 10 mm blanks were more difficult to acquire in 1984. While the recievers were stainless-steel, just like the production models, the slides were hard-chromed (instead of stock blued) so that the entire gun would show-up better during night filming.

Bx3 | 08-05-2009 11:35 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Quote:
Originally Posted by New2This (Post 1853079) [B][I] I have never shot a 10mm pistol, but all the i-net forums say it kicks ass! :sarcasm: http://www.thegunzone.com/brenx/images/sc-bx.jpg http://nordicg3k.tripod.com/sitebuil.../miamibren.jpg
Why yes, yes they do.:bulride: BTW, every "hand" gun should be fired using a supported (two handed) technique when possible. Accuracy is generally much better. That said, every person who carries a gun or relies on one for self defense should also be able to shoot strong or week handed if only for those occasions when you need your other hand to perform some other task or you become wounded. I typically divide my range sessions into 50% supported and 25% for each arm unsupported. Bx3

Elvis | 08-05-2009 09:20 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Mitty (Post 1851379) Part of it has to do with how the shoulder joint works. If you just naturally raise your hand and point, you will see your hand is at a 45 degree angle. Canting a pistol somewhat inboard when shooting one handed (particularly with the weak hand) is more comfortable for some people. If you point your hand to the rear without turning your hips you will see your hand is nearly horizontal. Gang members just take it to the extreme and use the horizontal hold all the time, I guess for the cool factor.
Correct. The lead instructor with my former employer taught us this trick, I've used it ever since. (He was former SF, shot the most difficult tactical qual course around perfect every time, and the employer made folks shoot so much in basic that the firearms had to be retired. Just FYI that this wasn't a podunk outfit.)

Ebie | 08-05-2009 10:32 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally Quote:
Originally Posted by Elvis (Post 1854080) Correct. The lead instructor with my former employer taught us this trick, I've used it ever since. (He was former SF, shot the most difficult tactical qual course around perfect every time, and the employer made folks shoot so much in basic that the firearms had to be retired. Just FYI that this wasn't a podunk outfit.)
I don't understand. He shot weak hand, or, strong hand, at an angle? I wonder what he would do with a revolver? Be well.

Elvis | 08-06-2009 02:30 PM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally It was a single hand technique for use when shooting with both wasn't possible. The biomechanics is similar to that of a punch. When you throw a punch, your thumb doesn't stay straight up, your hand will angle to maintain strength. If you're able to do knuckle push ups, try the various angles and see if you agree. Doesn't work for everyone, but it helped me.

Unclad Lad | 08-07-2009 03:09 AM
Re: In films criminals sometimes hold handguns horizinally You answered your own question in the title: IN FILMS...

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