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Twisted Avatar | 02-02-2009 03:32 PM
Inauguration Fallout Inauguration Fallout: Will Retreat Locale Priorities be Skewed? The recent inauguration of BHO and the establishment of a quasi-socialist majority in congress will have some far-reaching implications. Today, I 'm just going to focus on one of them, because it is of concern to many preparedness-minded individuals: The possibility of Federal gun laws becoming just as bad or perhaps worse than those extant in the most gun-grabbing states. For many years I have advised my consulting clients and SurvivalBlog readers to "vote with their feet", if they live in states with restrictive gun laws. Unlike the UK, that has a uniform set of national laws, the US has always been characterized by it patchwork of state laws, which vary widely. Here in the US, if someone dislikes paying sales tax, they can simply move to a state like Alaska, Delaware, Montana, or Oregon, that have no sales tax; or someone that doesn't like income tax can move to Florida, Nevada, Texas, South Dakota, Washington, or Wyoming. Likewise, someone that feels oppressed by the gun laws of New Jersey or California could move to a mecca of firearms freedom like Idaho, Kentucky, Montana, or Wyoming . These various taxes and restrictive laws weighed heavily when I developed my ranking of 19 western states for their potential for relocation for those that want to be prepared for long term societal disruption. The recent paradigm shift in Washington, however, may change that. It now appears that Federal gun laws may become more draconian than the worst of the existing state laws. This will make those state laws essentially a moot point. So how will this affect my rankings? Depending on how things play out, this could push up the rankings of Arkansas, California, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oregon, and Washington. I'd appreciate your comments on this issue. Moving Offshore? I plan to stick it out here in the States, but for the sake of showing other points of view, I'd also appreciate hearing from any American readers that have gone the ex-pat route. Please let us know you reasoning in deciding to move offshore, and a description of where you settled. Do you feel more of less free there? How are the gun laws in your new country? Are they more or less restrictive that in the US? Is registration required? Are the gun laws openly flaunted? New Impetus to Buy Pre-1899 Guns The other major fallout of the new Washington paradigm for gun owners is the prospect of almost universal nationwide registration of firearms. Knowing that registration is often a precursor to confiscation (as in Australia, Canada, and the UK, for example), this could be a proverbial Very Bad Thing (VBT). I predict that if nationwide gun registration is established, many Americans will refuse to comply with what they see as unconstitutional law. Then, much like in Finland and Germany, Greece, Italy, and Spain, rather than register their guns, owners will simply hide huge numbers of them in elaborate wall or attic caches, hidden rooms, and underground caches. (Not surprisingly, some of the highest rates of unregistered gun ownership are in countries that were occupied by Germany during World War II, wand where there has been a fear of occupation by other invading armies. (With the reasoning being "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.") Massive noncompliance with gun registration will lead to a predicament: If most guns get buried somewhere, then what will people use on a regular day-to-day basis for target shooting, hunting, and self-defense? Certainly, some wealthy owners might embark upon buying a "second set" of registered guns. But this is prohibitively expensive for most of us. I predict that many shooters will begin "collecting" Federally-exempt cartridge guns that were made in or before 1898. These guns have always been outside of Federal jurisdiction, and the December 31, 1898 cut-off date has been set in stone since the passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968. Thankfully, Federal legislators consider pre-1899 guns a thoroughly obsolete non-issue, and they will likely be exempted in any nationwide gun registration scheme. I predict that the prices of pre-1899 cartridge guns will increase substantially in the next few years, regardless of changes in Federal gun laws. But if there is indeed a nationwide registration law and pre-1899 guns are not included, their prices will likely quadruple or quintuple, practically overnight. Keep in mind that there is a very small, finite supply of these guns! Presently, you can buy a Mauser rifle made in 1898 for just 20% to 30% more than one made in 1899. But in just a few years, there might be a 5X difference! Plan accordingly. For details on pre-1899 guns and how to identify them, see The Pre-1899 Antique Guns FAQ, that I authored. County and City Divergence In addition to the sharp differences at the state level, there is also the issue of divergent county and city ordinances. For example, the state of Nevada as a whole has fairly non-intrusive gun laws, but just Clark County (home to the sprawling Las Vegas metroplex) has some absurd gun laws on the books. Residents of states without firearms law preemption laws share this predicament. I find some of the local restrictions on full-capacity magazines particularly onerous, and hard to keep track of. Here are some examples: No magazines with a capacity over 12 rounds are allowed in Chicago, Illinois No magazines with a capacity over 15 rounds are allowed in the state of New Jersey, South Bend, Indiana, or Aurora; Illinois. No magazines with a capacity over 20 rounds are allowed in the state of Maryland (without a special permit), Wichita, Kansas, or the City & County of Denver Colorado There are also some idiotic restrictions on sales of firearms ammunition at the local level. For example, it is illegal to sell ammunition by mail order (using common carriers such as UPS) to private parties in: The city of Sacramento, California Marin, Napa, Ventura, and Yolo counties in California Cook County, Illinois; Alaska Hawaii The Chicago metropolitan area, New York City New Jersey:36_1_28: Massachusetts The District of Columbia Puerto Rico APO or FPO (US m overseas) addresses But state, county and city laws also provide a few interesting loopholes. One well-known loophole was mentioned to me by reader F.G., who forwarded this article link: Old firearms given new life by restrictive New York gun control laws. I'd be interested in hearing about others. The flip-side to all this is state reservation of rights, wherein states effectively thumb their noses at over-reaching Federal jurisdiction. A recently-introduced bill in New Hampshire is a good example. (A hat tip to SurvivalBlog reader Larry T. for that link.) Another example is HB 246, Montana's proposed "made in Montana" Federal firearms jurisdiction exemption bill. I predict that if new Federal gun laws are enacted, many more states will do their best to exempt themselves, citing the 10th Amendment and the Lopez decision. Some might even go so far as to start rumbling about secession from the Union. Keep the Change, Pal It is difficult to predict how gun laws might change at the Federal level in the next few years, and any broad implications thereof. All that is certain is that the majority of the American electorate consciously voted for change in the last election. We may soon find that we are the recipients of more change than is comfortable. http://www.survivalblog.com/

Dirty Harry | 02-02-2009 03:42 PM
Re: Inauguration Fallout Great Post. :ok:

crazychicken | 02-02-2009 03:54 PM
Re: Inauguration Fallout Fortunately I don't have any guns except for a single shot .22 rifle. Used to--but my ex-wife spirited them away. Rather than get into an argument--me being a pacifist--I let her keep them. Unfortunately she died several years ago while I was in Europe. Sure wish I could have got my guns back. CC

Twisted Avatar | 02-02-2009 03:58 PM
Re: Inauguration Fallout Dam what a sad story....... Maybe we need to pass around the collect plate to make sure you can purchase a sling shot or something. We will get a wavier on the NICS check. T

The Argent Dragon | 02-02-2009 04:08 PM
Re: Inauguration Fallout Quote:
I predict that many shooters will begin "collecting" Federally-exempt cartridge guns that were made in or before 1898.
That's pretty far out there.........although eventually it 'could' come to this - the first legislation won't even dip into the 50+ yr old firearms. I predict C&R guns (50+ old or better) are pretty safe for at least the next few years. After that, who knows ?

Twisted Avatar | 02-02-2009 04:12 PM
Re: Inauguration Fallout Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1545631) That's pretty far out there.........although eventually it 'could' come to this - the first legislation won't even dip into the 50+ yr old firearms. I predict C&R guns (50+ old or better) are pretty safe for at least the next few years. After that, who knows ?
I dont. As soon as the new AG Holder see everybody and there mama loading up on 50 yo + Rifles he will ammend the law with his broad sweeping powers and stroke of the pen. Nowhere to run.........nowhere to hide. Stand and fight. T

The Argent Dragon | 02-02-2009 04:14 PM
Re: Inauguration Fallout Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1545643) As soon as the new AG Holder see everybody and there mama loading up on 50 yo + Rifles he will ammend the law with his broad sweeping powers and stroke of the pen. Nowhere to run.........nowhere to hide. Stand and fight. T
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Twisted Avatar | 02-02-2009 04:19 PM
Re: Inauguration Fallout Dam skippy!!!!

igorthesmall | 02-02-2009 04:28 PM
Re: Inauguration Fallout Ive thought about buying some old Mosin Nagants for just that reason. Seems like the pre 1899 ones are pretty common.

elroy | 02-03-2009 12:07 AM
Re: Inauguration Fallout I don't believe buying pre-1899 will make any difference. A law like this means nothing to the asshats in Washington. This rule will be changed whenever they want it changed. Much like the exemption on pre-1933 gold.

Twisted Avatar | 03-06-2009 11:00 AM
Re: Inauguration Fallout 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy (Post 1546352) I don't believe buying pre-1899 will make any difference. A law like this means nothing to the asshats in Washington. This rule will be changed whenever they want it changed. Much like the exemption on pre-1933 gold.
Which is why I pound the keyboard with my mantra daily: WHEN THE TIME COMES............. YOU BETTER BE READY TO DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO TO STAY SAFE AND LET THE PIECES FALL WHERE THEY MAY.

End of Hope | 03-06-2009 12:50 PM
Re: Inauguration Fallout Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1545567) There are also some idiotic restrictions on sales of firearms ammunition at the local level. For example, it is illegal to sell ammunition by mail order (using common carriers such as UPS) to private parties in:
I wondered why CTD and others won't ship to certain locales of California. I wish they had the courage to simply IGNORE the unconstitutional and unenforceable restrictions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause

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