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JJ_ | 11-27-2008 09:48 AM
Boycott HS Precision Do it. http://www.nrahab.com/2008/11/26/boycot-hs-precision/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi yeah - THAT Lon Horiuchi:36_1_28: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...gBackCover.jpg

blueice | 11-27-2008 10:07 AM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Sad that they would need the endorsement of a murderer..:puke::puke:

Twisted Avatar | 11-27-2008 11:10 AM
Re: Boycott HS Precision They screwed themselves. BADLY. No amount of retractions will help....... they will live in infamy among the Gun community. You also see the Demon got promoted to management overseeing fat contracts for the FBI. Whats is there not to be proud of?:36_1_28: T

Ag_man | 11-27-2008 11:28 AM
Re: Boycott HS Precision This makes my blood boil!! One day, Lon, one day...

Abouthadit | 11-27-2008 12:43 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Sent an email to the bastages. :36_1_28:

Glass | 11-27-2008 04:54 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision gee whiz man ....that guys name pops up a few times doesn't it.

gypsybiker45 | 11-27-2008 06:08 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision He couldnt hit the mark (randy) why would i buy his junk?

eat_beef | 11-28-2008 02:13 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision I had no idea, thanks for passing this along.:36_1_28:

buff01 | 11-28-2008 08:06 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision JUST SAY NO to these scumsucking m-f'ers.

Maddie | 11-29-2008 08:22 AM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Unbelievable! Even if they thought most people wouldn't know (or maybe wouldn't care?) who Lon Horiuchi is, it's incredibly tasteless to have the man endorsing sniper rifles. I wouldn't do business with such a company.

JJ_ | 12-01-2008 01:09 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision little more on it: http://www.progunleaders.org/H-S/explanation.html Quote:
The page the reader came from to get here is a revision suggested for the H-S Precision Website if H-S is honest and willing to make full disclosure. Maybe the management of H-S Precision should update its "Trophy Room Gallery" as indicated showing the effectiveness of its products to include their touted spokesperson's victim. According a to a blog at Free Republic (HERE), H-S Precision, maker of sniper rifles in South Dakota, has engaged former FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi as a company spokesperson. Lon Horiuchi was the FBI sniper who killed Vicki Weaver while she was holding her infant daughter, during the FBI's siege of the Weaver Home on Ruby Ridge in Idaho in 1992. According to Wikipedia, Horiuchi was also engaged as a sniper during the attack on the Branch Davidian group home in Waco, Texas in 1993. I contacted H-S Precision on November 25th, 2008 by email to give H-S a 24-hour chance to correct the information at Free Republic, basically to assert that they have no connection with Horiuchi and the whole story is a hoax. H-S Precision failed to respond to that opportunity for clarification. It appears that Horiuchi was engaged by H-S Precision because of his contacts at the FBI, and his ability to land a lucrative FBI contract for sniper rifles for H-S. Said differently, H-S made the business decision to associate publicly with someone seen throughout the gun culture as a villain, simply to make money. H-S made the business decision to overlook Horiuchi's deeds and history for profit. With H-S having crossed that far over the cultural and ethical double-yellow, it is presumed that there is essentially nothing H-S won't do for money - no other sell-out or ethically-repugnant option is beyond the pale for them. Therefore, we wish to spread the word everywhere about what a slimy outfit H-S Precision is. We want everyone in the gun culture to be advised to shun H-S products. We want everyone in the gun culture to call their members of Congress and insist that Congress slash the FBI budget for sniper rifles. We want all other players in the firearm manufacturing business to know that we simply won't tolerate their sell-out and ethical slumming for deliberate greed. Other players in the business of firearm manufacture should take the high road as did Ronnie Barrett when he refused to sell Barrett products to Kalifornia law enforcement agencies after the Kalifornia Legislature banned purchase of .50 caliber rifles for law-abiding members of the public. No quarter for H-S Precision. H-S needs to be the head mounted on the pike at the city gate. Spread the word! Very sincerely, Gary Marbut, president Montana Shooting Sports Association http://www.mtssa.org author, Gun Laws of Montana http://www.mtpublish.com

Twisted Avatar | 12-01-2008 06:05 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision I really hope the the gun community comes together are starves this of beast of all revenue. No quarter must be given to these wretched swine!! T

Big_Rob | 12-02-2008 01:05 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision He was the murderer of Vicky Weaver

Worldmariner | 12-02-2008 01:06 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1443383) I really hope the the gun community comes together are starves this of beast of all revenue. No quarter must be given to these wretched swine!! T
Just curious Twist, have you written your own Congressman yet about HS, as recommended in the article? Writing condemnations here at GIM won't get anything done. Writing a letter to a Member of COngress will. Of course, then you might get put on a "list" somewhere...

Twisted Avatar | 12-02-2008 01:33 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldmariner (Post 1444885) Just curious Twist, have you written your own Congressman yet about HS, as recommended in the article? Writing condemnations here at GIM won't get anything done. Writing a letter to a Member of COngress will. Of course, then you might get put on a "list" somewhere...
DING!!! DING!!! DING!!! You never know what is going to put you own a dissdent list. Rather than bytch and moan it would much more appropriate to drive a stake right into the black heart of the beast by starving it of revenue. It is a such a slow and painful process as he will have to sell everything to keep the doomed company running......only to devoured in the end by insurmountable bills and his life work will be sold to creditors for pennies on the dollar and he is stuck with the differnence ........... much better form of justice IMO. T

Professur | 12-02-2008 01:55 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1444932) DING!!! DING!!! DING!!! You never know what is going to put you own a dissdent list. Rather than bytch and moan it would much more appropriate to drive a stake right into the black heart of the beast by starving it of revenue. It is a such a slow and painful process as he will have to sell everything to keep the doomed company running......only to devoured in the end by insurmountable bills and his life work will be sold to creditors for pennies on the dollar and he is stuck with the differnence ........... much better form of justice IMO. T
Or .... he'll apply for credit protection, and gov't grants to keep his employees paid .. out of your pocket.

eat_beef | 12-02-2008 08:20 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision I get it, some are COMPLETELY PREPARED stare down the bbls of a SWAT team and fight to the death, but FAR TOO AFRAID to write a letter, or get on a 'list'.:rolleyes:

TTAZZMAN | 12-02-2008 10:08 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision I must have missed something... the guy is a FBI agent trained sniper and evidently while shooting at a BG with a gun on the move that was going thru a door a woman behind the door was shot not defending the guy at all maybe i just missed the part where he wasnt doing his job or did i miss something?

FireMattMillen | 12-03-2008 12:27 AM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Lon Horiuchi is a walking atrocity. HS Precision....it is done.

AurumAg | 12-03-2008 02:12 AM
You missed something... Quote:
Originally Posted by TTAZZMAN (Post 1445742) I must have missed something... the guy is a FBI agent trained sniper and evidently while shooting at a BG with a gun on the move that was going thru a door a woman behind the door was shot not defending the guy at all maybe i just missed the part where he wasnt doing his job or did i miss something?
The "BGs" in question were set-up by the ATF, and set upon by local authorities, who shot the BG's dog and son (in that order), and the FBI was called in to finish up, just like they did at Waco. Please take some time to do a few Googles on Ruby Ridge. Lon Horiuchi truly is the BG in this situation, as well as at Waco Texas, where he is alleged to have killed unarmed women and children as they attempted to flee the burning buildings.

flying | 12-03-2008 02:57 AM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Quote:
Originally Posted by TTAZZMAN (Post 1445742) I must have missed something... the guy is a FBI agent trained sniper and evidently while shooting at a BG with a gun on the move that was going thru a door a woman behind the door was shot not defending the guy at all maybe i just missed the part where he wasnt doing his job or did i miss something?
I think we all missed something.... Both places that this trained sniper shot at ( Ruby Ridge & Waco ) did not need to happen. They could have easily picked up RW or DK anytime they wanted. The ATF was just pissed at getting their butts kicked in a fair fight at Waco. Ruby Ridge was just plain stupid & did not need to have a shot fired at all. As for Waco Anyone in Texas would have done the same & shot those guys coming in the windows armed. What were they thinking?

eat_beef | 12-03-2008 06:49 AM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Why yes, Tazzman, you've missed quite a lot. First off, there was no 'BG'. Second, the man you call a 'BG' was running away, IE: not a threat, therefore should not have been fired upon according to the stated ROEs. "Just doing his job" didn't turn out to be a very good defense for those at Nouremberg.

TTAZZMAN | 12-03-2008 01:05 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision I was just reading from the info links provided, i didnt label the BG, the links supporting this thread did I agree RR and Waco didnt need to happen, but that isnt the point of the thread This thread as suddenly turned into a referendum on RR and Waco and government actions (which i dont like or agree with, the gov actions were deplorable in my opinion) The original thread was about boycotting HS machine because they use a letter of recommendation from Mr Horiuchi, in looking at the supporting links provided about Mr Horiuchi it APPEARs he was as i stated before a trained sniper doing his job however distasteful it is. If there is more real evidence that Horiuchi acted against orders, acted unilaterally, etc or links supporting the negatives being stated about Horiuchi i would think it would be appropriate to post the specific links. As a matter of statement i do own HS machine products and would like to be more informed before i purchase more.

flying | 12-03-2008 01:30 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Quote:
Originally Posted by TTAZZMAN (Post 1446754) I was just reading from the info links provided, i didnt label the BG, the links supporting this thread did
it may have been this that sounded bad...... Quote:
while shooting at a BG with a gun on the move that was going thru a door a woman behind the door was shot
Quote:
Originally Posted by TTAZZMAN (Post 1446754) he was as i stated before a trained sniper doing his job however distasteful it is. If there is more real evidence that Horiuchi acted against orders, acted unilaterally, etc
I do not mean to pick but my *opinion* is that 1) He was a trained sniper & could see this woman at the door with a baby 2) There is evidence he acted immorally by his actions I do not care who my boss is I am not shooting women holding babies. 3) Neither should he or anyone else have been shooting at someone who did not first fire upon them. To be moving about your property with a weapon on your person is no cause for being shot at.( Kevin Harris & Randy Weaver ) I need no further proof than to remember how embarrassed I felt to be American on the day Waco was burned to the ground. Sorry for the rant but if any company has employed any perpetrators of those two crimes I would not patronize them knowingly.

TTAZZMAN | 12-03-2008 01:57 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision [/QUOTE]I do not mean to pick but my *opinion* is that 1) He was a trained sniper & could see this woman at the door with a baby[/QUOTE] "The bullet struck and killed Vicki Weaver, who was standing behind the door through which Harris was entering the home" this is a quote from the wickapedia link provided in the original post...i assume if she was standing behind the door he couldnt see her but i wasnt there just reading the info provided but your certainly entitled to your *opinion* i am trying to formulate mine based on what facts i can dig up [/QUOTE]2) There is evidence he acted immorally by his actions I do not care who my boss is I am not shooting women holding babies.[/QUOTE] again ...the article states she was behind the door and it would be my assumtion she was out of view (no one would defend a baby shooter) 3[/QUOTE]) Neither should he or anyone else have been shooting at someone who did not first fire upon them. To be moving about your property with a weapon on your person is no cause for being shot at.( Kevin Harris & Randy Weaver )[/QUOTE] It is if your doing it in a direct violation of a command from a law enforcement offical [/QUOTE]I need no further proof than to remember how embarrassed I felt to be American on the day Waco was burned to the ground. [/QUOTE] in my opinion the gov actions were deplorable there were a multitude of different ways to handle the situation [/QUOTE]Sorry for the rant but if any company has employed any perpetrators of those two crimes I would not patronize them knowingly.[/QUOTE] I may be wrong but it appears Mr Horiuchi is retired and HS is just using a letter of recommendation from Mr Horiuchi about their products. I am only looking for real facts i am only reading the links provided i wasnt at rr or waco so i dont know what really happened so i can only make decisions based on info/links sorry my responses got mixed into the quotes

Twisted Avatar | 12-03-2008 03:04 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Why split hairs about this?? HS paid for the endorsement of a known killer. You do not support a Company that uses killers that are the enemy of personal freedom. End of story. If you still make a purchase........ Shame on you. T

flying | 12-03-2008 06:36 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision I saw a funny quote somewhere...... They said whats next the Lee Harvey Oswald rifle model? Or maybe a O.J. Simpson knife endorsement. I know...I know.... Maybe not funny but in the same vein what can this Horiuchi say? His whole claim to fame or his 15 minutes of fame relates to killing an unarmed woman. What is he going to step up & say yeah these HS parts helped me be the best I could be? In hindsight I cannot even begin to imagine what HS was thinking.

Iptuous | 12-03-2008 06:41 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Hey TA.... i hate to break it to you, but you're definitely 'on the list' already.... time to be proud of it

eat_beef | 12-03-2008 11:26 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision [/quote]It is if your doing it in a direct violation of a command from a law enforcement offical [/quote] Are you on crack? Reguardless of the fact that it IS NOT LEGAL for a LEO to fire upon someone who is not threatening them or anyone else, Even if it were legal it would be morally reprehensible. By your logic, the po po could kick in YOUR door, 'command' YOU to stop watching TV, and shoot you if you failed to comply. :rant::banghead::rant::puke:

TTAZZMAN | 12-04-2008 12:28 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision It is if your doing it in a direct violation of a command from a law enforcement offical [/quote] Are you on crack? Reguardless of the fact that it IS NOT LEGAL for a LEO to fire upon someone who is not threatening them or anyone else, Even if it were legal it would be morally reprehensible. By your logic, the po po could kick in YOUR door, 'command' YOU to stop watching TV, and shoot you if you failed to comply. :rant::banghead::rant::puke:[/QUOTE] :thumb.aspx:....i must be on crack... cause i thought Mr. Horiuchi was a free retired man giving out letters of recommendation....

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flying | 12-04-2008 12:35 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision The government in 1995 agreed to pay Weaver and his surviving children $3.1 million in compensation for the loss of his wife and son. FBI Director Louis Freeh suspended five officials , including Deputy Director Larry Potts. Two of the five admit destroying FBI documents during an internal review of Ruby Ridge, and another admits to knowing about the destruction. IMHO the govt does not give out Millions if they think they were right or justified.

eat_beef | 12-04-2008 08:27 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Quote:
Originally Posted by TTAZZMAN (Post 1449058) :thumb.aspx:....i must be on crack... cause i thought Mr. Horiuchi was a free retired man giving out letters of recommendation....
So lack of conviction of a crime equals innocence? This is fun, keep up the complete lack of logic, all from a 'truth seeker'.

TTAZZMAN | 12-04-2008 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by eat_beef (Post 1450004) So lack of conviction of a crime equals innocence? This is fun, keep up the complete lack of logic, all from a 'truth seeker'.
Logic?......im just reading the provided links..... It still is that in the US ..we are innocent untill proven guilty? Im not sure i understand your logic as it pertains to this thread ...we shouldnt drive black chevy suburbans ...wear fruit of the looms...because Mr H did.....and he is a BG that just didnt get convicted I assume since you KNOW he is guilty you must have been a material witness in the case and the jury just didnt believe you? Since when is it wrong to question blog BS and seek confirmation of statements?

flying | 12-04-2008 10:28 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision I think it is just a sore spot & better left un-rubbed. You know in this country many not proven guilty are in fact quite guilty. I dont think anyone would disagree with that. The actual facts of this case are less than flattering to the aggressors. When someone shoots at a man who is running away & not shooting back is terrible enough. But then nails a unarmed woman holding a baby whether he meant to or not it does not sit well with many ....myself included In this bizarro world the means still did not justify the end

TTAZZMAN | 12-04-2008 11:04 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Yes the whole rr/waco situation, was just wrong wrong wrong...and this topic just seems to rub on it unintentionally....so....:signs14::Surrender::sign s14:

WAoG | 12-27-2008 08:33 PM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Quote:
Originally Posted by eat_beef (Post 1445571) I get it, some are COMPLETELY PREPARED stare down the bbls of a SWAT team and fight to the death, but FAR TOO AFRAID to write a letter, or get on a 'list'.:rolleyes:
My CONgress critters could care less what I think and have basically said as much. Done writing the idiots.

eat_beef | 08-03-2009 09:06 AM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Anyone have an update on this? Did HS Precision or Remington or anyone else distance themselves from this murderer?

Golddust | 08-03-2009 10:20 AM
Re: Boycott HS Precision Quote:
Originally Posted by eat_beef (Post 1849431) Anyone have an update on this? Did HS Precision or Remington or anyone else distance themselves from this murderer?
Must have Go to their web site, It is sterile of anything except their products.

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