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107.8682 | 11-17-2008 03:16 AM
"Hitler took away all the guns" 4 Attachment(s) Uh, no, he didn't. There's plenty of "bad" to tell about Hitler, but why is it that people have to make up such asinine lies like that? Read the attached report - and please, I really don't want to hear anything about who the author is, just read the facts, and try to refute them if you so wish. -

107.8682 | 11-17-2008 03:18 AM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" 7 Attachment(s) And now the English translation of the 1938 Firearms Act of the German Reichstag, and signed into law by Reich Chancellor Adolf Hitler... -

Squirrel Bait | 11-17-2008 04:28 AM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" I was never under the impression that he(Hitler) took everyone's guns, but what he did do was make everyone "register" those weapons. Then, if TPTB didn't like you (ie, Jewish, Gypsy or sympathizer) the "Brown Shirts" came and either took them or you. This was the beginning of removing the ability of people to resist their authority. I believe the Browns were eventually disbanded when the Nazi party came into power. Then all hell broke loose as we know. s

harper | 11-17-2008 04:48 AM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" sure, he wanted the 'citizens' (aka german/aryans) to have weapons. just not anyone else. I imagine citizenship started getting smaller when they opened the ghettos. for example, lets say only registered democrats are allowed to own guns... rub a couple of synapse together and think about it for a second. stupid article, interesting facts, but stupid premise. i love paragraph 18, #3... the SS didn't need to get permits.

Silver Wolf | 11-17-2008 04:57 AM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" Quote:
Originally Posted by harper (Post 1419838) sure, he wanted the 'citizens' (aka german/aryans) to have weapons. just not anyone else.
Correct. Just like the American founding fathers wanted only true U.S. citizens to have weapons (and the right to vote) and not the blacks. Oh but that's a fact you guys like to avoid.

harper | 11-17-2008 05:22 AM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" lost me on that one silver wolf... what is your position?

Twisted Avatar | 11-17-2008 07:47 AM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 1419834) I was never under the impression that he(Hitler) took everyone's guns, but what he did do was make everyone "register" those weapons. Then, if TPTB didn't like you (ie, Jewish, Gypsy or sympathizer) the "Brown Shirts" came and either took them or you. This was the beginning of removing the ability of people to resist their authority.
DING!! DING!! DING!! Through Registering and Permits they can take ANYTHING the people have. Once you register it ..........THEY KNOW ABOUT IT. Once you need a permit......... THEY KEEP JACKING UP THE COSTS FOR YOU TO KEEP IT Obama will do the same......... you can mark my words. T

eyeofliberty | 11-17-2008 07:55 AM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" Umm, yes, that's some gun control I can believe in. :sarc:

107.8682 | 11-17-2008 11:48 AM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" Most of you are missing the point: Hitler didn't "ban all the guns." Nazi Germany reduced the restrictions imposed by the American-backed Weimar regime. The JPFO LIES about this. The Second Amendment is unique. You must compare Nazi Germany's gun laws with so-called "free societies" in Europe, not America, of the same era - did France or Britain have freer gun laws? NOPE.

Squirrel Bait | 11-17-2008 12:07 PM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" Quote:
Originally Posted by 107.8682 (Post 1420261) Most of you are missing the point: Hitler didn't "ban all the guns." Nazi Germany reduced the restrictions imposed by the American-backed Weimar regime. The JPFO LIES about this. The Second Amendment is unique. You must compare Nazi Germany's gun laws with so-called "free societies" in Europe, not America, of the same era - did France or Britain have freer gun laws? NOPE.
WOW, I'M IN TOTAL ASTONISHMENT. We are looking at this from a completely different point of view. Hitler put more authority to have guns in the hands of those he was targeting to sway over to his side(Good red blooded Germans). While at the same time, with a stroke of the pen, he was taking away from certain undesireable elements, "any" ability to defend themselves when the were being lead to the slaughter. You are right. I must be missing your point. To me that sounds like total insanity. Why should a free group of people ever agree to this willingly? s

graspAU | 11-17-2008 12:14 PM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" Quote:
Originally Posted by 107.8682 (Post 1420261) Most of you are missing the point: Hitler didn't "ban all the guns." Nazi Germany reduced the restrictions imposed by the American-backed Weimar regime. The JPFO LIES about this. The Second Amendment is unique. You must compare Nazi Germany's gun laws with so-called "free societies" in Europe, not America, of the same era - did France or Britain have freer gun laws? NOPE.
From what I have read, yes, the 1938 March 18 law relaxed rules but still required registration. Are you saying there was not an effort to confiscate guns from Jews and avoid granting them permits at anytime possible? "Although Jews were to be explicitly excluded from the firearms industry, the draft did not propose that they be prohibited from firearm possession or acquisition.159 However, the latter would be assumed, given that the police could simply declare that a person was an enemy of the state and bar firearm possession.160 Indeed, the 1928 Weimar firearms law that was still in place empowered the police the discretion to issue or refuse to issue permits to acquire or carry firearms. As the following 1936 memorandum from the Bavarian Political Police to all subordinate police reveals, in late 1935 the Gestapo had ordered that no weapons permits would be issued to Jews without Gestapo approval: Pursuant to an order of the Political Police Commander of the States [L�nder] of December 16, 1935, No. I G - 352/35, the police authorities always have to obtain the opinion of the Geheimen Staatspolizei [Gestapo or Secret State Police] authorities on the political reliability of the individual requestor, before any permits to carry weapons are issued to any Jews. Requests by Jews for the issuance of weapons permits therefore have to be sent to the Bavarian Political Police, II/1 for special disposal, so that it can state its opinion about the political reliability of the requestor. In general, the following has to be taken into account with regard to the issuance of weapons permits to Jews: In principle, there will be very few occasions where concerns will not be raised regarding the issuance of weapons permits to Jews. As a rule, we have to assume that firearms in the hands of the Jews represent a considerable danger for the German people. Therefore, in the future, an extreme measure of scrutiny will have to be applied to the question of political reliability of the requestor in all cases where an opinion needs to be given about the issuance of weapons permits to Jews. Only in this way will we be able to prevent numerous Jews from obtaining firearms and causing danger to the German population. Most likely, the forwarding of applications will come into consideration only in special cases.161" There is much more to what happened in that dictatorship than the main laws put on paper you are discussing. It is interesting that the ban on military style weapons looks much like what our present day Assualt Weapons Ban proposals. Fom back then: "It was forbidden to manufacture or possess “firearms which are adapted for folding or telescoping, shortening, or rapid disassembly beyond the generally usual extent for hunting and sporting purposes.”181 Firearms with silencers or spotlights were prohibited.182 Finally, .22 caliber rimfire cartridges with hollow point bullets were outlawed.183" I find this to be an interesting discussion on the topic: http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf

graspAU | 11-17-2008 12:27 PM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" More from: http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf Again, this is in late 1938. A young jewish person went to the paris embassy and attempted to assassinate the ambassador: "On November 7, 1938, Herschel Grynszpan, a 17-year old German Jewish refugee whose father had been deported to Poland, went to the German Embassy in Paris intending to shoot the ambassador. Instead he shot and mortally wounded Ernst vom Rath, the third secretary in the Embassy, who ironically was being watched by the Gestapo because he opposed anti-Semitism and Nazism.198 As the following demonstrates, the Nazi hierarchy recognized the incident as creating a favorable opportunity to disarm Germany�s Jewish population." This is what really got things moving: "The telephone orders between chief of staff of the SA Group Nordsee, Roempagel, and his superior, were included in a secret SS report prepared the following year.215 Among the instructions Roempagel received were: �All Jewish stores are to be destroyed immediately by SA men in uniform�; �Jewish synagogues are to be set on fire immediately, Jewish symbols are to be safeguarded�; �the police must not intervene. The F�hrer wishes that the police does not intervene.� The following instruction would ensure the success of the attacks as well as achieve an ultimate goal: �All Jews are to be disarmed. In the event of resistance they are to be shot immediately.�216 After 11:55 p.m. on November 9, SS Standartenf�hrer (Colonel) Heinrich M�ller sent an urgent teleprinter message from Gestapo Headquarters in Berlin to every state police bureau in the Reich, alerting them that �demonstrations against the Jews, and particularly their synagogues, will take place very shortly.� The Gestapo was not to interfere, but was to cooperate with the regular police to prevent looting and other excesses.217 The last paragraph of M�ller's message read: If, during the actions about to take place, Jews are found in possession of weapons the most severe measures are to be applied. The special task units of the SS as well as the general SS may be employed for all phases of the operation. Suitable measures are to be taken to ensure that the Gestapo remains in control of the actions under all circumstances.218 While M�ller ordered �severe measures� against Jews who possessed arms, the SA ordered them to be shot.219"

Lt Dan | 11-17-2008 12:28 PM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" 107.8682, Thanks for those interesting articles, have not had time to fully read them but interesting, never the less. My stand, I think some restriction as to age, criminal record and mental condition is fine, but that's where I draw the line. I think any adult, especially any veteran who has had proper training in automatics, should be able to lawfully own full auto without having to have a permit. The problem with any restriction is it usually only applies to the law abiding.

graspAU | 11-17-2008 12:32 PM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" Novemeber 1938 (after the 1938 law): On the morning of November 10, the following decree appeared in newspapers throughout Germany: Jews Forbidden to Possess Weapons By Order of SS Reichsf�hrer Himmler Munich, November 10 [1938] The SS Reichsf�hrer and German Police Chief has issued the following Order: Persons who, according to the N�rnberg law, are regarded as Jews, are forbidden to possess any weapon. Violaters will be condemned to a concentration camp and imprisoned for a period of up to 20 years.222 All hell broke loose. The New York Times reported: “Nazis Smash, Loot and Burn Jewish Shops and Temples Until Goebbels Calls Halt.”223 In Berlin and throughout Germany, thousands of Jewish men, particularly prominent leaders, were taken from their homes and arrested.224 The Angriff, Goebbel's organ, implored that, “For every suffering, every crime and every injury that this criminal [the Jewish community] inflicts on a German anywhere, every individual Jew will be held responsible.”225 The Times account reported the arms prohibition as follows: Possession of Weapons Barred One of the first legal measures issued was an order by Heinrich Himmler, commander of all German police, forbidding Jews to possess any weapons whatever and imposing a penalty of twenty years confinement in a concentration camp upon every Jew found in possession of a weapon hereafter.226 The destruction was carried out by Rollkommandos (wrecking crews) under the protection of uniformed Nazis or police.227 Same source as posted above.

latitude22 | 11-17-2008 12:43 PM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 1419834) I believe the Browns were eventually disbanded when the Nazi party came into power. Then all hell broke loose as we know.
Disbanded? They were executed because Hitler saw them as a threat to his power. A lot of them were executed in the "Night of the Long Knives", i think "purged" would be a better word then disbanded lol.

graspAU | 11-17-2008 12:51 PM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" I don't think the JPFO is misleading anyone. They mention: Law on Firearms & Ammun., 1928 Weapon Law, March 18, 1938 Regulations against Jews, 1938 That was the path from registration to confiscation and murder for possesion by the jews. The orders by nazi officials in November of 1938 were the nail in the coffin and came after the March 1938 law.

Squirrel Bait | 11-17-2008 01:05 PM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" Quote:
Originally Posted by latitude22 (Post 1420354) Disbanded? They were executed because Hitler saw them as a threat to his power. A lot of them were executed in the "Night of the Long Knives", i think "purged" would be a better word then disbanded lol.
Agreed! Not all were executed though. Just enough to justify Hitlers position of being a "just and moral" leader. They were used(as thugs) and then became the patsies. His true believers were transitioned to the Nazi party. My history on this is sketchy as I haven't studied this in a long time. s

Silver Wolf | 11-17-2008 01:56 PM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 1420401) My history on this is sketchy as I haven't studied this in a long time.
Then why are you talking about this subject at all? Everyone can keep ducking what I said about the American founding fathers and why they didn't give certain groups any rights at all or the right to firearms because it flat out owns any counter arguement here. So if anyone here wants to parade themselves around as a American patriot, they need to take a good look in the mirror and ask if they really have what it takes to be one. Because it's a exclusive club, not an all inclusive one.

Squirrel Bait | 11-17-2008 02:42 PM
Re: "Hitler took away all the guns" Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Wolf (Post 1420513) Then why are you talking about this subject at all? Everyone can keep ducking what I said about the American founding fathers and why they didn't give certain groups any rights at all or the right to firearms because it flat out owns any counter arguement here. So if anyone here wants to parade themselves around as a American patriot, they need to take a good look in the mirror and ask if they really have what it takes to be one. Because it's a exclusive club, not an all inclusive one.
Oh, well in that case I will deeply bow to a definitely superior level of Patriotism. But don't expect me to waste too much time doing it. The "nut" who started this thread is much more of a threat than you. Keep up the good work!! I do admire your tenacity.

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