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Lars Ragnarsson | 12-21-2008 04:56 PM
Remington 870 Police Anyone considering a 12 guage pump might want to look into this. I know at least a couple of board members (Hive, for one, I think) recommend these. Just sprung for one myself. Bud's has these for $489 shipped (an extra $5 if you spring for insurance). http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/79482.jpg Link to website: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...s_id=411535965 Link for info for differences between 870 Express and Police models....http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/art...Pol6-30-05.pdf

californiaprospector | 12-21-2008 06:01 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police Our 870 can handle more shells. I can inspect for any malfunctions myself. I'll keep our version. Why is it the pigs always get "special" treatment? (never mind, don't answer that - we all know why)

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 12-21-2008 06:03 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police 2 Attachment(s) Remington 870 = TRW. TRW stands for Tyranny Response Weapon I have a Police Magnum and LOVE it! I do, indeed, HIGHLY recommend them!

Twisted Avatar | 12-21-2008 06:23 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police How many shells dose the police magnum hold???

graspAU | 12-21-2008 06:35 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police 1 Attachment(s) This is the MAX. Comes with everything I would want. http://www.remingtonle.com/shotguns/870pmax.htm

graspAU | 12-21-2008 06:40 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1476816) How many shells dose the police magnum hold???
Standard police models are 4 +1. The police models don't have the dimples in the tube that try to restrict mag extension tubes like the basic express models. I believe remington makes extension tubes for the police models and aftermarket tubes are widely available to make them 6 +1 and come out to the end of the 18" barrel.

Lars Ragnarsson | 12-21-2008 06:45 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police Quote:
Originally Posted by californiaprospector (Post 1476782) Our 870 can handle more shells. I can inspect for any malfunctions myself. I'll keep our version. Why is it the pigs always get "special" treatment? (never mind, don't answer that - we all know why)
Actually, if you check out the link, you can add a mag extension to the police model. The Express models have dimpled mag tubes that prevent adding the extension. That and the trigger group housing made of metal instead of plastic appealed to me. I've already got a couple of Mossbergs (actually, one's a Maverick), but I'd been keeping an eye out for the 870P because it should be more durable. Something you want for WTSHTF, which I'm afraid might not be as far-fetched as some folks may think. Hey, if you have the chance to level the playing field, why not?

igorthesmall | 12-21-2008 07:25 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police Quote:
Originally Posted by Lars Ragnarsson (Post 1476697) Anyone considering a 12 guage pump might want to look into this. I know at least a couple of board members (Hive, for one, I think) recommend these. Just sprung for one myself. Bud's has these for $489 shipped (an extra $5 if you spring for insurance). http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/79482.jpg Link to website: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...s_id=411535965 Link for info for differences between 870 Express and Police models....http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/art...Pol6-30-05.pdf
Or you could wait until this is in stock http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/11661 and buy a speedfeed stock and forend and have basically the same thing.

californiaprospector | 12-21-2008 09:28 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police Quote:
Originally Posted by Lars Ragnarsson (Post 1476845) Actually, if you check out the link, you can add a mag extension to the police model. The Express models have dimpled mag tubes that prevent adding the extension. That and the trigger group housing made of metal instead of plastic appealed to me. I've already got a couple of Mossbergs (actually, one's a Maverick), but I'd been keeping an eye out for the 870P because it should be more durable. Something you want for WTSHTF, which I'm afraid might not be as far-fetched as some folks may think. Hey, if you have the chance to level the playing field, why not?
My "personal" 12 is a Mossberg. :wink: If you really think the LEO version of the 870 is actually more durable, maybe I should check into it.

Lars Ragnarsson | 12-21-2008 10:27 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police Quote:
Originally Posted by californiaprospector (Post 1477047) My "personal" 12 is a Mossberg. :wink: If you really think the LEO version of the 870 is actually more durable, maybe I should check into it.
Nothing wrong with the Mossberg. No way I'm getting rid of mine! In fact, some reviewers I've seen prefer the Mossberg 500. Gunbroker.com has some Mossberg 500s that seem decently priced, but I haven't found any available at the big online dealers. Just started this thread in case anyone was looking for good quality 12 guage at a pretty decent price, and that was in stock. It's always good to have options!:coolbeer:

Dawg | 12-22-2008 01:05 AM
Re: Remington 870 Police I bought a brand new in the box (albeit it was originally purchased by a close friend before 2000, when he thought the world was going to end.) for 200 bucks. Mint unfired condition, with parkerized finish and black furniture. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50...g/P1000563.jpg I then spent a few dollars that were earmarked for some gold purchases and upgraded it with a few goodies..... http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50...g/P1000583.jpg Anyone have any suggestions on what I should add to it?

flying | 12-22-2008 01:49 AM
Re: Remington 870 Police You know I like how those look but have the basic 870 & its fine. Another I have always wondered about is Charles Daly. Not just the shotgun but his AR's & 1911's too. Prices are cheap & if you get wholesale even less. He makes a bunch of stuff anyone have any? http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/36376 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/36376.jpg

Lars Ragnarsson | 12-22-2008 05:47 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police I didn't think they'd last the weekend - they're already gone. Hey Dawg - how is that thing to shoot with the tactical stock? Does it tear you up when you shoot it? And did it come with the mag extension, or did you pick that up somewhere? Looks good!

Dawg | 12-22-2008 08:31 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police Quote:
Originally Posted by Lars Ragnarsson (Post 1478097) Hey Dawg - how is that thing to shoot with the tactical stock? Does it tear you up when you shoot it? And did it come with the mag extension, or did you pick that up somewhere? Looks good!
Hey Lars The stock is the Knox SpecOps and it has a built in recoil system that makes it shoot like a dream. Full power slug loads feel like low brass shot loads. I love it. Heres a link to their site, Check out the videos. http://www.knoxx.com/products/SpecOps_Stock.php The magazine extension is a Scattergun Technologies 2 shot extension. It is a subsidiary of Wilson from what I understand. The extension is heavy duty and the finish matches the Remington parkerizing perfectly. Mike

Mike C | 12-22-2008 09:31 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg (Post 1477277) I bought a brand new in the box (albeit it was originally purchased by a close friend before 2000, when he thought the world was going to end.) for 200 bucks. Mint unfired condition, with parkerized finish and black furniture. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50...g/P1000563.jpg I then spent a few dollars that were earmarked for some gold purchases and upgraded it with a few goodies..... http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50...g/P1000583.jpg Anyone have any suggestions on what I should add to it?
That is exactly all it needs. You have the "perfect" set up. I plan on getting the exact set up as soon as I can get to the gun store. Don't do another thing to it!

Drumblebum | 12-22-2008 09:55 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police Quote:
Originally Posted by graspAU (Post 1476840) Standard police models are 4 +1. The police models don't have the dimples in the tube that try to restrict mag extension tubes like the basic express models. I believe remington makes extension tubes for the police models and aftermarket tubes are widely available to make them 6 +1 and come out to the end of the 18" barrel.
I know of 870 Express models that are 6+1 with no mods... mag restriction? :confused_ma:

graspAU | 12-22-2008 11:04 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumblebum (Post 1478477) I know of 870 Express models that are 6+1 with no mods... mag restriction? :confused_ma:
Yes, some do. Those that don't, Remington has made attempts to try to stop people from putting on extensions. This is a well known fact that they put dimpled magazine tubes on them. Some people opt to drill them out. I have the Marine Magnum with the factory extension. The police models do not have the dimples. "Late production (>1990, I think) shotguns have several nice modifications that will prevent the installation of certain defense accessories on Remington 870 shotguns. You get these free of charge, from the factory. Two dimples have been machined into the 870's magazine tube, preventing the installation of a magazine extension. Nice, eh? If you add an extended magazine tube, the dimples will jam up the follower at the end of the factory magazine...The solution is to use a drill or Dremel-type tool to remove these dimples." Also there are side saddle issues due to the length of the forearm. "Well, Remington has decided that if you have an 870 Express (the most economical 870 on today's market) or an 870 Wingmaster (a step up in quality from the Express, especially the finish), you're going to have some trouble installing the Sidesaddle. The slide on the Express and Wingmaster shotguns is too long -- about 1.75" too long -- and so that excess will have to be chopped off if you want to use a Sidesaddle." "Please remember, if you buy a Remington 870, buy an 870 Police or Marine Magnum! You won't have to deal with the problems with the magazine extensions or Sidesaddles." http://members.tripod.com/~jth8260/870.html http://www.thefiringline.com/forums-...p?t-89086.html

farscott | 12-23-2008 06:11 AM
Re: Remington 870 Police Quote:
... and the trigger group housing made of metal instead of plastic appealed to me.
On new 870P guns, the trigger guard housing on the trigger plate is now plastic, not aluminum. At least the guards have been plastic on the last few that spent time on my bench. Since I have never heard of any issues with the polymer guards, I guess this was a cost-cutting move that makes sense. As for the comparison between the Police gun and the Express, the big differences are the parkerized finish on the 870P versus the matte bluing on the Express, the aforementioned shorter forearm, the aforementioned magazine tube dimples on the Express, the fixed improved cylinder choke on the 870P versus the fixed cylinder choke on the Express, the J-lock on many Express models, and the sear on the 870P. The 870P trigger breaks at a higher pull than the Express. The kicker is the J-lock; you really do not want one. They can and do lock themselves without the key, turning the Express into an expensive club. That is one thing on a dove hunt; it is something else when there is a bump in the night. I believe the J-lock is gone from new Express, Wingmaster, and Marine Magnum guns, and that is a good thing. You can replace the J-lock safety or replace the trigger plate to get rid of a trigger plate with the J-lock. It is much less expensive to replace the J-lock than the trigger plate. If possible, buy an older used gun with the flexitab and without the J-lock. That way you can clear it fast if you short-stroke it without busting the stock. The flexitab feature is the cutouts in the elevator. Without it, the only good way to clear a short stroke jam is to slam the butt on the ground while holding the gun vertically by the forearm. You can crack or break a wood stock doing this. That is the reason why my 870Ps wear polymer stocks. I short-stroked my 870TB trap gun once with the chromed elevator and I was NOT going to destroy the stock to clear the jam; it took me an hour of fiddling to clear it. Good lesson for me on the value of the flexitab.

Dawg | 12-23-2008 09:25 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police Quote:
Originally Posted by farscott (Post 1478764) On new 870P guns, the trigger guard housing on the trigger plate is now plastic, not aluminum. At least the guards have been plastic on the last few that spent time on my bench. Since I have never heard of any issues with the polymer guards, I guess this was a cost-cutting move that makes sense. As for the comparison between the Police gun and the Express, the big differences are the parkerized finish on the 870P versus the matte bluing on the Express, the aforementioned shorter forearm, the aforementioned magazine tube dimples on the Express, the fixed improved cylinder choke on the 870P versus the fixed cylinder choke on the Express, the J-lock on many Express models, and the sear on the 870P. The 870P trigger breaks at a higher pull than the Express. The kicker is the J-lock; you really do not want one. They can and do lock themselves without the key, turning the Express into an expensive club. That is one thing on a dove hunt; it is something else when there is a bump in the night. I believe the J-lock is gone from new Express, Wingmaster, and Marine Magnum guns, and that is a good thing. You can replace the J-lock safety or replace the trigger plate to get rid of a trigger plate with the J-lock. It is much less expensive to replace the J-lock than the trigger plate. If possible, buy an older used gun with the flexitab and without the J-lock. That way you can clear it fast if you short-stroke it without busting the stock. The flexitab feature is the cutouts in the elevator. Without it, the only good way to clear a short stroke jam is to slam the butt on the ground while holding the gun vertically by the forearm. You can crack or break a wood stock doing this. That is the reason why my 870Ps wear polymer stocks. I short-stroked my 870TB trap gun once with the chromed elevator and I was NOT going to destroy the stock to clear the jam; it took me an hour of fiddling to clear it. Good lesson for me on the value of the flexitab.
Obviously we have a gunsmith in the house.....You have brought up some info that I was ignorant of. Is this a Flexitab? http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50...g/P1000601.jpg I have never actually had one of these shortstroke jams, but I have heard of it and wondered how to rectify it when it occurrs. My 870 is over 10 years old and has no goofy locks or plastic trigger guards. I wonder if the SpecOps stock would be a help in the technique you outline to clear the jam. It gives quite a bit when it is struck on the floor or the ground and the resultant momentum would probably be helpful......no?

foolsgold | 12-23-2008 09:31 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police Quote:
Originally Posted by graspAU (Post 1476835) This is the MAX. Comes with everything I would want. http://www.remingtonle.com/shotguns/870pmax.htm
My home grown version. http://goldismoney.info/forums/pictu...&pictureid=281 Yes ... it is a lowly 870 express.

Lars Ragnarsson | 12-24-2008 12:17 AM
Re: Remington 870 Police Farscott - Thanks for the info. For anyone who's still thinking about getting an 870 Police Magnum, Bud's has them available again. I don't know if they scored another box, or if some folks who ordered didn't pay on time, or what. Anyway, link's in the OP.

farscott | 12-24-2008 05:26 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police Quote:
Is this a Flexitab?
Yes, that is it. I have one 870P with the SpecOps stock on it. It makes clearing a short-stroke harder because the stock gives when you slam the buttstock on the ground. You want the stock to be firm so the slide can rip the jammed shell out of the gun. The best advice I can give is if you have a SpecOps stock, do NOT short-stroke the gun. Run that slide as hard as you can. Practice is the only way to learn to run the 870. That is why I have an 870TB.

Dawg | 12-24-2008 05:54 PM
Re: Remington 870 Police Quote:
Originally Posted by farscott (Post 1481132) Yes, that is it. I have one 870P with the SpecOps stock on it. It makes clearing a short-stroke harder because the stock gives when you slam the buttstock on the ground. You want the stock to be firm so the slide can rip the jammed shell out of the gun. The best advice I can give is if you have a SpecOps stock, do NOT short-stroke the gun. Run that slide as hard as you can. Practice is the only way to learn to run the 870. That is why I have an 870TB.
Thanks for the info farscott. I am learning more and more. I did a google search and found a youtube video on the flexitab. You Tube
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