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Twisted Avatar | 04-08-2009 11:57 AM
Knob Creek Report on Ammunition, Magazines, and Parts Knob Creek Report on Ammunition, Magazines, and Parts Jim, I just got back from attending the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot near Fort Knox, Kentucky. I have never seen the ammo situation as bad there as it was on April 3rd to April 5th. I took four other people that have never been there and told them that they would be able to satisfy their needs at this show over any other. Boy, was I wrong! Supply on certain items was either non existent or had decreased dramatically. Several nationwide ammo dealers didn’t even show up and I have seen them there for 10 consecutive years. 9mm +P+ Israeli SMG ball or tracer – last November.was $100 now $150 per thousand (Pat's Reloading told me that they had gone through four Semi-trailer loads of the stuff and this was nearing the end of it.) I loved this stuff because I couldn’t even touch the components for $100, especially tracer. .223 Israeli ball was $375 per thousand at Pats reloading .223 Israeli tracer was oddly less expensive than ball at $149 per 500. I looked through mine and about 10% appears to be Lake City (early to mid-1990s). Purchased at Pat's Reloading .223 Federal 2008 production XM193 was $450 per 500. Don’t even think about what that equates to, "per case". 9mm was in somewhat short supply. I heard one supplier tell a customer that he brought two pallet loads with him, but the dealers bought it all before the show even opened. 7.62x39 Last November Golden Tiger was $180 a case. I didn’t see one single case of the stuff and Wolf was $300 a case. 7.62x54R was holding steady at $160 for two sealed tins (about 880 rds) 30-06 Greek sealed tins of 240 rds was up from $59 to $100. .308 South African $90 per battle pack of 200 rds. While there was some pistol ammo, it was not stacked up by the pallet load as usual and self defense loads were either in short supply or exorbitant in price. I did somehow manage to stumble into some Blazer nickel plated case 165 grain solid point 40 S&W ammo for $15 per 50 and some .223 IMG (Guatemalan) that was boxed but tarnished for $375 per 1,200 round case. Time to dig out the reloader and supplies. On the Magazine front, nearly all [of the once inexpensive and plentifull magazines] now have jacked up [prices]. DSA still had nice metric FAL mags for $7 and 30 round [.308 L4] Bren gun mags that fit FALs (inch and metric) for $30. I would have bought some but I am still mad at them at playing "the DSA waiting game" for some [FAL] receivers. I have waited on two of those receivers now for going on a year, continually being promised that they "have them in stock", and being sent my money back twice. This is my forth go around with them 1997, 2001, 2003 with only one [order] being successful. [Minor rant snipped.] AK magazines: still some around for $12 G3 aluminum mags $5 [HK] G3 steel and CETME were all $15 except for one guy who still had them for $5 Cope's Distributing was completely out of the used (law enforcement trade-in) Glock and SIG magazines that they formerly had for $10 each. They did have some KCI Korean Glock magazines for $12 that looked respectable and see to have a good reputation so far. SVD and Romak 3 mags had dropped from $100 to $60 (for a 4-pack) in November. Now back up to $85. AR parts kits were in short supply. Model 1 sales sent a reduced table and barely had anything. a FFL dealer behind me at the Doublestar/J&T Distributing table told me he had bought 55 full kits from Model 1 Sales and he would be sold out in 2-3 weeks so he was buying more from J&T. The owner of J&T told me that she ran out of stuff before the show even opened to the public and had to send a van back to load up with more stuff. J&T’s cheapest kit was $555 without a chrome bore. They sold out of kits by noon and were going to have to send another van back for more. On the AR-15 lower receiver front, a FFL dealer friend of mine there told me that the log jam for receivers appeared to have eased as he was able to buy them for $88 wholesale once again and take delivery in a reasonable amount of time. On the whole, the current situation seems to favor those moving into the AK-74 realm. AK-74 kits were $495, receiver flats were $12, transferable receivers were $60 and the ammo was $300 per 1,300 rds (in sealed tins). There never seems to be much competition for that ammo. I am thinking about getting a 5.45mm AK. http://www.survivalblog.com/

TUMS | 04-08-2009 12:18 PM
Re: Knob Creek Report on Ammunition, Magazines, and Parts Yeah the ammo situation is low. The fully auto idiots shot it all.

90%RealMoney | 04-08-2009 01:19 PM
Re: Knob Creek Report on Ammunition, Magazines, and Parts 5.45X39 ammo is even cheaper than He says. Ammoman has 1080 round tins for $179.00. 2160 round crates for $338.00 delivered. Wish I had a rifle in that caliber.

Twisted Avatar | 04-08-2009 02:03 PM
Re: Knob Creek Report on Ammunition, Magazines, and Parts Quote:
Originally Posted by 90%RealMoney (Post 1668577) 5.45X39 ammo is even cheaper than He says. Ammoman has 1080 round tins for $179.00. 2160 round crates for $338.00 delivered. Wish I had a rifle in that caliber.
If I had to loot to spare I would pick it for investment purposes. You cant go wrong with how this ammo situation is shaping up.

AG Capone | 04-08-2009 03:04 PM
Re: Knob Creek Report on Ammunition, Magazines, and Parts Quote:
Originally Posted by 90%RealMoney (Post 1668577) 5.45X39 ammo is even cheaper than He says. Ammoman has 1080 round tins for $179.00. 2160 round crates for $338.00 delivered. Wish I had a rifle in that caliber.
Cope's has it for $150 per tin as well. I managed to pick up a few rifles in that caliber before Obama. I'm regretting not buying the S&W 5.45x39 AR upper though. They are $700+ now.

JJ_ | 04-08-2009 05:25 PM
Re: Knob Creek Report on Ammunition, Magazines, and Parts WARNING: I'm about to blaspheme..... :biggrin: I can't see why they even had the shoot this year... MAN that's a waste of ammo that recently became a very precious commodity.

JJ_ | 04-08-2009 05:29 PM
Re: Knob Creek Report on Ammunition, Magazines, and Parts Quote:
Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1668969) Oh, I think they should have just chosen a different location this year. :biggrin:
*refrains from postin' pic of DC mall*

JJ_ | 04-08-2009 05:31 PM
Re: Knob Creek Report on Ammunition, Magazines, and Parts Quote:
Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1668975) Too late! I edited. :tongue_ma:
lol - I saw

meatman | 04-10-2009 09:18 AM
Re: Knob Creek Report on Ammunition, Magazines, and Parts Quote:
Originally Posted by 90%RealMoney (Post 1668577) 5.45X39 ammo is even cheaper than He says. Ammoman has 1080 round tins for $179.00. 2160 round crates for $338.00 delivered. Wish I had a rifle in that caliber.
2 months ago everyone was selling their 74's because all the 545 surplus ammo was dried up and gone for good. now every warehouse is flooded with it I myself am very tired of people crying about how much ammo is going up in price. its supply and demand if you can't afford don't cry about it just don't buy it. many people are willing and can pay higher prices, and they do.

GOLD DUCK | 04-10-2009 10:29 AM
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