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90%RealMoney | 04-19-2008 09:07 PM
Not in CA....What a Pisser! Tried to place an order today with Cheaper than Dirt. I wanted to buy a collapsable stock for a rifle. Sorry, Illegal In California! Man, I'm so tired of this crap! As if a pistol grip, or a shorty stock makes a gun so deadly. I know their rationalization is the concealability factor, but this is just the slippery slope in my opinion. Don't ask why I still live here. My entire Family lives in this State.

mtnman | 04-19-2008 09:19 PM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! Quote:
Originally Posted by 90%RealMoney (Post 1069591) Tried to place an order today with Cheaper than Dirt. I wanted to buy a collapsable stock for a rifle. Sorry, Illegal In California! Man, I'm so tired of this crap! As if a pistol grip, or a shorty stock makes a gun so deadly. I know their rationalization is the concealability factor, but this is just the slippery slope in my opinion. Don't ask why I still live here. My entire Family lives in this State.
Nevada and Arizona are close enough to visit family from.

Twisted Avatar | 04-19-2008 09:36 PM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1069606) Nevada and Arizona are close enough to visit family from.
I plan on doing something with pennslyvania.... I can order 17 and 33 round clips for the glock and still get 30 round clips for ar-15's I need to do it soon before the next demon get into office cause rest assured Gun rights WILL BE IN THE CROSSHAIRS. Bush will only be in office for another 247 days. T

Mill Man | 04-19-2008 09:37 PM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! I'd call them adjustable stocks really. I have one on my DPMS in .308 which I just measured. It goes from 6 3/4" on the lowest adjustment up to 10 1/2" on the longest. Not really much difference on the overall size of the rifle and therefore concealability. I saw an interview the other day on one of the talking heads shows. He was interviewing a woman about legislation her group was trying to get passed to infringe on the 2nd. She said it would ban flash supressors, bayonets, "high cap" mags, barrel shrouds etc. The head asked her what a barrel shroud did and she couldn't answer the question. He wouldn't let her skirt around it either. I had a laugh. I think it was neil cavuto perhaps.

Toxa | 04-19-2008 10:53 PM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! Quote:
Originally Posted by Mill Man (Post 1069641) I'd call them adjustable stocks really. I have one on my DPMS in .308 which I just measured. It goes from 6 3/4" on the lowest adjustment up to 10 1/2" on the longest. Not really much difference on the overall size of the rifle and therefore concealability. I saw an interview the other day on one of the talking heads shows. He was interviewing a woman about legislation her group was trying to get passed to infringe on the 2nd. She said it would ban flash supressors, bayonets, "high cap" mags, barrel shrouds etc. The head asked her what a barrel shroud did and she couldn't answer the question. He wouldn't let her skirt around it either. I had a laugh. I think it was neil cavuto perhaps.
here you go i found it funny too YouTube - What is a barrel shroud?
YouTube - What is a barrel shroud?

Twisted Avatar | 04-19-2008 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Toxa (Post 1069724) here you go i found it funny too YouTube - What is a barrel shroud?
yes it sooooooooo dangerous I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS !!! But dammit we have to get it out of the hands of law abiding citizens and make sure only criminals and shocktroopers will have acess to it. And we pay these jack@$$E$. T

William Morgan | 04-19-2008 11:30 PM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! Quote:
Originally Posted by 90%RealMoney (Post 1069591) Tried to place an order today with Cheaper than Dirt. I wanted to buy a collapsable stock for a rifle. Sorry, Illegal In California! Man, I'm so tired of this crap! As if a pistol grip, or a shorty stock makes a gun so deadly. I know their rationalization is the concealability factor, but this is just the slippery slope in my opinion. Don't ask why I still live here. My entire Family lives in this State.
I'm sure I'll be accused of being/sounding like the anti-gun nuts, but really, why do you need that? Unless you're planning house-to-house urban combat, what is wrong with a normal stock? I have no use for gun control, but California's pansy-ass firearms legislation is quite livable. You can even carry loaded with a CCW in rural counties. I wonder what one could find on http://www.gunbroker.com/?

Krugerrand | 04-20-2008 12:41 AM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! Yeah, the pistol grip thing is asinine and pretty hard to figure out. How about when you buy a brand new hi-cap 9mm pistol, and instead of receiving two new 16-round magazines like folks in practically every other state do, you receive two lovely 10-rounders. Handicapped right from the start. Quote:
Originally Posted by William Morgan (Post 1069764) You can even carry loaded with a CCW in rural counties.
Unfortunately it's next to impossible to obtain a CCW in this "may issue" state, depending on the county in which one lives. :thumpdown

DrillAndFill | 04-20-2008 12:53 AM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! Quote:
Originally Posted by Krugerrand (Post 1069845) Unfortunately it's next to impossible to obtain a CCW in this "may issue" state, depending on the county in which one lives. :thumpdown
HMGH7, who lives in/near L.A. County, has one. Color me impressed.

William Morgan | 04-20-2008 02:20 AM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! Quote:
Originally Posted by Krugerrand (Post 1069845) How about when you buy a brand new hi-cap 9mm pistol, and instead of receiving two new 16-round magazines like folks in practically every other state do, you receive two lovely 10-rounders. Handicapped right from the start.
Oh, yes, I know. Stupid. Quote:
Originally Posted by Krugerrand (Post 1069845) Unfortunately it's next to impossible to obtain a CCW in this "may issue" state, depending on the county in which one lives. :thumpdown
The counties which are still livable (meaning less than 200,000 people generally) are virtual "shall issue" counties. LA, SF, Sacramento, yeah, don't bet on it unless you're a politician or celebrity. I lived in Sacramento County when the police chief of a small town, Isleton, was issuing CCWs as "shall issue" to anyone in Sacramento County, over the objections of the corrupt Sacramento County Sheriff's Department. The law was written, then, in such a way which permitted him to do it. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...51C0A960958260

William Morgan | 04-20-2008 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DrillAndFill (Post 1069852) HMGH7, who lives in/near L.A. County, has one. Color me impressed.
There's gotta be an incredibly good reason he was able to get one. Maybe he bribed Lee Baca? Just kidding HMGH7. ;-)

Krugerrand | 04-20-2008 07:05 AM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! Quote:
Originally Posted by DrillAndFill (Post 1069852) HMGH7, who lives in/near L.A. County, has one. Color me impressed.
I know! :bear_w00t: Color me green with envy. Quote:
Originally Posted by William Morgan (Post 1069898) The counties which are still livable (meaning less than 200,000 people generally) are virtual "shall issue" counties.
My county is unfortunately not one of these. Closer to a million people in the county, and from what I've researched, our particular sheriff does his absolute best to not give out a single CCW permit (last I checked, there were less than 300 permits issued, total). Unless, of course, you're part of his clique/in-group. :bear_angry:

Twisted Avatar | 04-20-2008 07:25 AM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! Quote:
Originally Posted by William Morgan (Post 1069764) I'm sure I'll be accused of being/sounding like the anti-gun nuts, but really, why do you need that? Unless you're planning house-to-house urban combat, what is wrong with a normal stock? I have no use for gun control, but California's pansy-ass firearms legislation is quite livable. You can even carry loaded with a CCW in rural counties. I wonder what one could find on http://www.gunbroker.com/?
The question is not framed correctly....... what would be more apporiate is .. why dose gubbermint feel the need to restrict my abilty to own this particular item?? The stock in of itsef is NOTHING ........it is the PRECENDENT that is EVERYTHING ...if you say no to that ...... then you can say no to things that are SIMILAR to that .....which will lead to restrictions on those....and you get the ball rolling. call it the "butterfly affect" on gun ownership....it starts out small and finishes with a virtual ban on anything. T

Toxa | 04-20-2008 08:01 AM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! Off topic. Twisted Avatar do you ever sleep man?

Twisted Avatar | 04-20-2008 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Toxa (Post 1069993) Off topic. Twisted Avatar do you ever sleep man?
Only when I hit the refresh button!! :s9: Come on Tox ......this is places rocks!! T

90%RealMoney | 04-20-2008 11:25 AM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! Quote:
Originally Posted by William Morgan (Post 1069764) I'm sure I'll be accused of being/sounding like the anti-gun nuts, but really, why do you need that? Unless you're planning house-to-house urban combat, what is wrong with a normal stock? I have no use for gun control, but California's pansy-ass firearms legislation is quite livable. You can even carry loaded with a CCW in rural counties. I wonder what one could find on http://www.gunbroker.com/?
Hey, I'm not into boats or jet skis, or custom cars. Why shouldn't I be able to customize my gun the way I want? No, I don't NEED it necessarily, but does anyone NEED most of the stuff they spend their money on? Do we all NEED Giant plasma tv's? Like I said, it's just the slippery slope in motion. Just think, with all the global warming stuff, what if they started limiting everyone to 19 inch tv's, or one computer per household, etc. In Sacramento County, they are already having "No burn days", where you can't burn wood in a fireplace. They want everyone to put the squiggly bulbs in their houses, don't water your lawns at this time, or on these days. Where does all of this end? Brave New World?

Mill Man | 04-20-2008 01:55 PM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! Thanks for finding that Toxa. We really need to ban those "shoulder things that go up". I usually have the heads on in the background when I get home from work to hear stuff like this and see what they're feeding "J6P" today. William Morgan, I like my adjustable stock because I can easily set it to the proper adjustment for my arm length without spending a ton of money to have custom work done and I agree with what 90% said.

Twisted Avatar | 04-20-2008 02:38 PM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! Quote:
Originally Posted by 90%RealMoney (Post 1070114) Hey, I'm not into boats or jet skis, or custom cars. Why shouldn't I be able to customize my gun the way I want? No, I don't NEED it necessarily, but does anyone NEED most of the stuff they spend their money on? Do we all NEED Giant plasma tv's? Like I said, it's just the slippery slope in motion. Just think, with all the global warming stuff, what if they started limiting everyone to 19 inch tv's, or one computer per household, etc. In Sacramento County, they are already having "No burn days", where you can't burn wood in a fireplace. They want everyone to put the squiggly bulbs in their houses, don't water your lawns at this time, or on these days. Where does all of this end? Brave New World?
Please tell me you are kidding about that ....... PLEASE.. WTF........I CANT BURN WOOD IN MY DAM FIREPLACE?? ARE YOU FRICKEN CRAZY!!!!! Is this the same part of Commiefornia that was trying to pass that bill where people have to put some type of RFID chip on the thermostat so some goon can regulate the temperature in your home from the dam street?? What in the world are we coming to?? T

90%RealMoney | 04-20-2008 02:41 PM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! You got it Baby! The one and only!

90%RealMoney | 04-20-2008 02:43 PM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! Luckily, I live in El Dorado County, where EVERYONE has wood burning stoves. Kind of hard to legislate that nonsense here. Also, alot more gun friendly out here, than in the city.

morganchaser | 04-20-2008 02:49 PM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! Quote:
Originally Posted by William Morgan (Post 1069764) I'm sure I'll be accused of being/sounding like the anti-gun nuts, but really, why do you need that? Unless you're planning house-to-house urban combat, what is wrong with a normal stock? I have no use for gun control, but California's pansy-ass firearms legislation is quite livable. You can even carry loaded with a CCW in rural counties. I wonder what one could find on http://www.gunbroker.com/?
Storage space. Gun safes are more expensive by volume. I just bought an underfolder Scary Looking Rifle that is about a foot shorter with the stock folded under. I can fit it in my round door jewelry safe that is otherwise only good for handguns. My gun is in a $200 TL-30 security safe instead of a $1000 sheetmetal and drywall fire safe because it has an underfolder stock. Having had the opportunity to try the collapsed stock/pistol grip enabled "shooting from the hip" technique, I can testify that it was as ineffective as could be expected. It was like shooting an awkward oversized handgun. It was less comfortable than a non-pistol grip and I had to walk my shots on target from less than 10 feet away. I can't picture a serious situation where I would opt for the stock to be folded down.

Twisted Avatar | 04-20-2008 02:54 PM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! HOLY SMOKES(no pun intended). That is absolutley out of control ........ I wonder what the hell I would do ........if some town prick official actually rang my door bell to "give me a warning" about buring MY WOOD on the wrong day of the week ... I know it is not the person's fault who is ringing my bell But sweet mother mary I dont think I could bite my tougne the cussing out I would put on him would be one for the ages I would make sure it....I can barley hold back when the Fire department comes by to make a "safety inspection" aka try and drum up money for the city. This has got to be the HEIGHT OF INSANITY. T

William Morgan | 04-20-2008 06:33 PM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1069978) The question is not framed correctly....... what would be more apporiate is .. why dose gubbermint feel the need to restrict my abilty to own this particular item?? The stock in of itsef is NOTHING ........it is the PRECENDENT that is EVERYTHING ...if you say no to that ...... then you can say no to things that are SIMILAR to that .....which will lead to restrictions on those....and you get the ball rolling. call it the "butterfly affect" on gun ownership....it starts out small and finishes with a virtual ban on anything. T
I am NOT defending gun control of any form. I am merely pointing out that wanting to leave California over not being able to have a "toy" is not good reason. 90% of California's firearms laws are patently unconstitutional.

mike77777 | 04-20-2008 08:20 PM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! well, as the current governor said in one of his movie incarnations "fvck you azzhole"

90%RealMoney | 04-20-2008 09:30 PM
Re: Not in CA....What a Pisser! I'm not going to leave Ca. over this one issue. I stated a few other things that have me peeved, and believe me, I've left off a laundry list of reasons to seek shelter elsewhere! Maybe someday.

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