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madcow | 03-23-2009 01:49 PM
Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Nothing surprising I guess, but this is news to me. I wonder how many GIM'ers are on the watch list? I just ordered 1K rounds.:wink: http://www.poststar.com/articles/200...l/14551013.txt One northern Warren County resident found out recently the government is paying attention to such ammunition sales. West said a customer of his recently stocked up on .223-caliber rounds, a caliber often used in assault-style weapons. The customer bought 1,000 rounds a few months ago through a mail order company. Shortly after the purchase, he received a visit from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, whose interest was apparently piqued by a large-scale purchase of that caliber. "His wife was home. He was at church," West said.

AOW | 03-23-2009 02:36 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? I've got a box coming my way too - is the gov't hurtin' so bad they've got HS making deliveries? :4_1_72:

JJ_ | 03-23-2009 02:43 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? 1k? large purchase? pphhbbbttt.....

Abouthadit | 03-23-2009 02:44 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Quote:
Originally Posted by madcow (Post 1641588) " He was at church," West said.[/I]
Well, there you go right there. Another one o' them terrists. :111: BTW: how large is large? 20? 50? 100? 500? Looks like 1k is.

gangsta99 | 03-23-2009 02:55 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? I highly doubt HS showed up just because of this purchase. That dude is on the list for some other reason, maybe for visiting sites like GIM, you never know. Anyway I wish him the best of luck and I hope nothing bad happens to his dog. Oh yeah I wanna stake a claim for all of his firearms and ammo if something bad happens to him.

Doge | 03-23-2009 03:08 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? TTT - You better believe they are watching our purchases carefully. I'm willing to bet that a few members here will have some visitors soon. ;)

renegade_01 | 03-23-2009 03:26 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Quote:
Originally Posted by Doge (Post 1641763) TTT - You better believe they are watching our purchases carefully. I'm willing to bet that a few members here will have some visitors soon. ;)
Let em bring it on... heads will roll....

smullen | 03-23-2009 03:49 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Great, its hard enough to find and afford ammo, now you got the man staring you down and asking you about it...

CrufflerJJ | 03-23-2009 03:59 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Quote:
Originally Posted by smullen (Post 1641826) Great, its hard enough to find and afford ammo, now you got the man staring you down and asking you about it...
You folks just don't understand. The only reason that Homeland Sicherheit...I mean Security is visiting is to try & find ammo themselves. I'm sure they're just looking for the best deal on ammo/primers/powder. Right?:23_1_22:

Quixote2 | 03-23-2009 04:07 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? If Homeland Security shows up at your door, what do you do. Just state no comment, ask to see a warrent,....?

mtnman | 03-23-2009 09:54 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Quote:
Originally Posted by Quixote2 (Post 1641851) If Homeland Security shows up at your door, what do you do. Just state no comment, ask to see a warrent,....?
Bingo! Treat them just like the police. No Warrant=No enter, and NO TALKING!

platinumdude | 03-23-2009 10:06 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? I only buy with cash.

Twisted Avatar | 03-23-2009 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1642510) Bingo! Treat them just like the police. No Warrant=No enter, and NO TALKING!
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Twisted Avatar | 03-23-2009 10:19 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Another reason to have your ammo delivered to a mailbox. And one more step in the paper trail that seperates you from the product. T

phideaux | 03-23-2009 10:20 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1642534) I only buy with cash.
Put on a wig, sunglasses and a hat, too. We're on the security cameras.:banghead:

Twisted Avatar | 03-23-2009 10:25 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Quote:
Originally Posted by phideaux (Post 1642562) Put on a wig, sunglasses and a hat, too. We're on the security cameras.:banghead:
But It does help a bit. T

BarnacleBob | 03-23-2009 10:41 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Friday, March 20, 2009 10:32 AM EDT "Handguns, shotguns, rifles -- it's every type," Nemec said. "People are worried the government is going to take their guns away, or they're going to tax them (guns and ammunition) to death." With a Democratic president in office and economic troubles fueling fears of rising crime, guns -- and the rounds they fire -- are a hot commodity these days. Across the country, gun dealers are reporting a big uptick in sales of both firearms and ammunition. Requests for federal background checks for prospective gun buyers have surged since last fall, with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms reporting a nearly 50 percent increase after the election of President Barack Obama. Arrrrggg ... so who supposedly voted these anti-gun, anti-freedom, anti-constitutional liberal fear mongering assholes into office if there is so much "REAL" public free market opposition to their policies and politics ???? It is axiomatic that the last election was just another theatrical performance by the vested political and economic elite to create the social and political outcome they planned .... when more people recognize that this so-called "democracy" is a controlled farce, a mere propagandized feel good "slight of hand," .... all hell is gonna break loose! When the supposed ostensible opposition parties are revealed to be totally controlled by the same factions .... again, all hell is gonna break loose! Grow food, grow ballz, keep your head down and keep your firearms loaded .... trust no one !

wondering | 03-23-2009 10:52 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? OK, I am getting my head spinning now. Some posts here on GIM, I am seeing people talking about not being negative about police and here we are talking about Homeland Security and how they better not be checking up on us and taking our guns... Do we not realize that in the end, that most all law enforcement is going to all be on the same side. Military, Homeland Security, CIA, Cops, Sheriff, Government, and all of them, they are going to basically be on the same team? The ones that everyone is telling us that we need to respect, they will hopefully have the sense to bail and join the civilians that are fighting for our RIGHTS to keep us from being prisoners. We talk about our freedoms and our rights and how we are not going to go peacefully and then we talk about respect. We need to keep things in perspective. We can respect those who are respectable. Those people will be evident. It will not be a uniform that will define them either. You will know them. It will not be a badge or a gun, it will be true honor that will show you who you can respect. I think we are all forgetting that and turning on those who might be our best allies. Good luck everyone. If you can buy your ammo with cash and from a store without having to ID yourself, that may be the way to go, when you can.

Usury | 03-24-2009 12:11 AM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Hmmm.....well I'm not too worried about that. I'd suggest that gangsta99 is probably right--there's probably more to this story. Let's face it....it's nearly impossible to completely eliminate all traces of gun/ammo ownership. If the Gestopo decides to come confiscating, a couple of documented ammo purchases aren't going to make much difference one way or the other. Personally I like the ability to order online--cheaper, easier, faster and lately about the only way to get ammo--most local guys are out or WAAAAAY overpriced.

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 03-24-2009 12:47 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Personally I like the idea of the law knowing I own guns. I've never run afoul of the law.... So when they pull up my record, it's clean as a whistle. With Guns. Of course, philosophically I disagree. I don't think its government's place to monitor every single transaction that goes on. Which is the current position.

morganchaser | 03-24-2009 03:03 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1642558) Another reason to have your ammo delivered to a mailbox. And one more step in the paper trail that seperates you from the product. T
Better use a fake id and go through UPS or you're wasting your time. The law enforcement can reverse a P.O. Box faster than a party slut can drop her panties. They're only protection against amateur stalkers.

Twisted Avatar | 03-24-2009 04:44 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Quote:
Originally Posted by morganchaser (Post 1643632) Better use a fake id and go through UPS or you're wasting your time. The law enforcement can reverse a P.O. Box faster than a party slut can drop her panties. They're only protection against amateur stalkers.
Yeah thats what I meant Not a PO BOX (as most merchants wont deliver to anyways). Thanks for the brush up :ok: T

Caligula | 03-24-2009 04:58 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Well, it makes sense. I can't think of anything more dangerous to the actual "Homeland Security"....than the citizens of the homeland buying ammo....

rhoggman | 03-24-2009 06:09 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? The only way they can track this is if they have an open tap on credit card records and ammo suppliers. I think it is bullshit.

Captain Morgan | 03-24-2009 08:24 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Quote:
Originally Posted by morganchaser (Post 1643632) Better use a fake id and go through UPS or you're wasting your time. The law enforcement can reverse a P.O. Box faster than a party slut can drop her panties. They're only protection against amateur stalkers.
You haven't met the party sluts I know :ok:

elroy | 03-25-2009 08:00 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? The way ammo is selling they would have to use Barry's new army of volunteers to check on everybody who has bought ammo recently.

Twisted Avatar | 03-29-2009 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by elroy (Post 1645945) The way ammo is selling they would have to use Barry's new army of volunteers to check on everybody who has bought ammo recently.
Should be a job with a high "turnover" rate

unalga | 03-29-2009 08:12 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Quote:
Originally Posted by Quixote2 (Post 1641851) If Homeland Security shows up at your door, what do you do. Just state no comment, ask to see a warrent,....?
Warrant? They don't need no stinking warrant, they have their own secret court remember.:36_1_30:

The Remedy | 03-30-2009 08:20 AM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Sherrif carries a John Doe warrant...all he has to do is fill your name in the blank. Be inside your house faster than the party slut...also...police/FBI/Homeland Security, etc...will NOT be on our side. They will continue to do what they are told to do. Their bread is buttered by the man and they are not going to give that up.

bonaparte | 03-30-2009 07:44 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Quote:
Originally Posted by The Remedy (Post 1653145) Sherrif carries a John Doe warrant...all he has to do is fill your name in the blank. Be inside your house faster than the party slut
There is a slight need for a judge to sign the warrant and for the warrant to specifically state what is to be seized. :36_3_12:

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CrufflerJJ | 03-30-2009 08:02 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Quote:
Originally Posted by bonaparte (Post 1654246) There is a slight need for a judge to sign the warrant and for the warrant to specifically state what is to be seized.
If you have a "cooperative" judge, those minor details can be left blank (especially the name/address).

Maddie | 03-30-2009 08:10 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? One of my fears has always been that they will, in their "war on drugs/terrorism/the fear du jour" extend the Crime Act of the early 80s that allowed local law enforcement to seize one's assets on suspicion, without probable cause, without warrant, without the legal requirement to tell you who accused you, and without a day in Court (and local law enforcement gets to keep part of the confiscated gains). How many gun owners would still stand their ground if it meant risking their home, belongings, bank accounts, etc.? It was designed to help law enforcement fight organized drug crime when they couldn't get anything to stick on the suspects.

bonaparte | 03-30-2009 08:57 PM
Re: Homeland Security investigating large ammo purchases? Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 1654288) One of my fears has always been that they will, in their "war on drugs/terrorism/the fear du jour" extend the Crime Act of the early 80s that allowed local law enforcement to seize one's assets on suspicion, without probable cause, without warrant, without the legal requirement to tell you who accused you, and without a day in Court (and local law enforcement gets to keep part of the confiscated gains). How many gun owners would still stand their ground if it meant risking their home, belongings, bank accounts, etc.? It was designed to help law enforcement fight organized drug crime when they couldn't get anything to stick on the suspects.
Was this ever challenged in the Supreme court?

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