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stacks | 01-20-2010 09:45 AM
No Guns for Negroes JPFO.org January 19, 2010 No Guns for Negroes exposes the racist history behind American gun control laws. You Tube
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General of Darkness | 01-20-2010 09:48 AM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Stacks you trying to start trouble? :36_1_30:

hoarder | 01-20-2010 09:51 AM
Re: No Guns for Negroes If JPFO wants to be taken seriously, they should make an all out effort to point out that the majority of the WORST gun control politicians are members of their tribe: Schumer, Waxman, Feinstein, Boxer, Lautenberg, Metzenbaum and Cellar.

Shoden | 01-20-2010 10:13 AM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 2136922) If JPFO wants to be taken seriously, they should make an all out effort to point out that the majority of the WORST gun control politicians are members of their tribe: Schumer, Waxman, Feinstein, Boxer, Lautenberg, Metzenbaum and Cellar.
They're well aware of that fact. Here's a quote from one article on the JPFO website: Quote:
http://www.jpfo.org/alerts/alert20010903.htm September 3, 2001 If you really want to tell Jewish leaders to stop supporting police-state policies -- especially "gun control" -- then make sure you read this article and send it to every Jewish person you know in the world. If you don't share this with others, then you've forfeited your right to complain about Charlie Schumer! Do Jewish "leaders" want us all to be victims? By Aaron Zelman Executive Director of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership Are self-anointed Jewish political "leaders" trying to turn America into the kind of hell from which our people have repeatedly been forced to escape for the last two millennia? Are they going out of their way to prove the truth of the old Yiddish adage, "Our own Jews will destroy us"? And do they aim -- through ignorance or ambition -- to destroy this nation not only for Jews, but for the other 97 percent of Americans, as well? Yes. If they have their way, they will. But it hasn't always been this way. Jews and America have been good for each other. Jews have enriched this country through achievements in science, law, business, arts, and culture. Our contributions range from the sublime to the ridiculous. Although we are less than three percent of the population, we constitute 21 percent of all Nobel Prize winners. We've kept America laughing by producing 80 percent of its comedians from Groucho Marx to Jerry Seinfeld. In every war since the War Between the States, Jews have fought for freedom in disproportionate numbers, often with great distinction. America, in turn, has blessed the Jews. Our forebears came here to enjoy the freedom of a nation whose government -- unlike those from which they fled -- was bound within strict limits. The Bill of Rights, our chief protector, has stood against the savagery that might otherwise be perpetrated by prejudiced individuals, institutions, and governments. But judging by the mewling of many self-anointed leaders you'd think the blessings of freedom counted for nothing. In their minds and in their mouths, it's "victim" this and "victim" that. These "leaders" depict the U.S. as a nation where helplessness, mindless violence, and bigotry prevail. They tell us we are under siege from extremist organizations and hate groups -- often choosing "enemies" so unlikely that a knowledgeable person is struck with bemusement. For example, one of the latest groups defamed by the Anti-Defamation League of the B'nai B'rith is the peaceful but confrontational protest group, the Tyranny Response Team. Founded by a Jew, Bob Glass, the TRT has fought harmful legislation by wearing yellow Stars of David and handing out flyers showing victims of genocide. But because the legislation they oppose is "gun control," which the ADL supports, the ADL assigned "hate group" researchers to investigate them. ADL representatives then reported to the media that they need to "watch" the group because of the "kind of people it might attract." Professional Jewish leaders demand obeisance to a vision of Jews as helpless and passive by nature -- childlike victims toward whom the entire world, not just the perpetrators of the Holocaust, owes groveling remorse. They preach that our entire nation is populated by similar victims whose sufferings give them an unquestionable moral claim -- victims of poverty, disease, racism, government funding cuts, ignorance, sexism, violence, and a whole host of newly discovered inequities and inequalities. And they invariably propose one balm to heal all miseries: government. And more government. Government unbound, unlimited, unhindered. In speeches and votes, Jewish legislators cry for an expansion of government power so limitless it makes the carnivorous alien plant in "Little Shop of Horrors" look like a rose in spring. Politicians are joined in their socialist cry by other Jewish leaders like Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League and Nobel-Prize-winning scholar Elie Wiesel and media voices like Ed Asner and Barbra Streisand. In their utopian vision, government is a godlike, all-powerful, all-seeing, all-knowing, force for good. That is -- for whatever "good" politically powerful groups can impose by force. One of the "benefits" Jewish leaders want to impose is disarmament. Not trusting ordinary men and women to own guns, they work toward the day when uniformed soldiers, police, and other agents of the state will hold a monopoly on the legal use of lethal force. ... continued at the link posted at the top of the quote.
Some of the other articles on their website under Jews and Gun Control : Jews and Guns Jews and "Gun Control": Fear of Freedom or Freedom from Fear? Maybe you're already aware of these articles and their acknowledgment of the role Jewish political "leaders" play in gun control, and you just think they need to do more to make this known. Fair enough. Perhaps they should have a dedicated campaign to publicize this added to the half dozen or so campaigns they already have going, but I still see them as a force for good in defending our rights.

FreeMyLand | 01-20-2010 10:19 AM
Re: No Guns for Negroes For some reason this thread made me think of this clip from Ride With The Devil: You Tube
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hoarder | 01-20-2010 10:28 AM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoden (Post 2136963) They're well aware of that fact. Here's a quote from one article on the JPFO website.
I realize they have covered themselves by saying what needs to be said as quietly as possible to as few people as possible. In reality, less than 25% of their members are aware of the Jewish role in gun control and they like it that way. They are phony. Their Job is to say loud and clear "We are Jews and we love guns! We hate gun control!" to distract the goyim from what is happening. Schumer, Feinstein etc are not saying loud and clear "We are Jews and we want to disarm the goyim!" but their actions speak louder than their lack of words. The proof is not the message but how the message gets across....and they know this art.

Twisted Avatar | 01-20-2010 10:30 AM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Minute 5:20 is VERY INFORMATIVE THOMAS DODD ( Chris Dodds daddy) Went to the libary of congress and got the Nazi Gun act from 1938 and had it translated to english to be used as the template for Gun Control. Some parts are verbatim Now THAT is a good gem to keep tucked away. T

mk3hunter | 01-20-2010 10:53 AM
Re: No Guns for Negroes say what you want about them But I love rubbing in the fact that the NRA is americas oldest civil rights group (1871) pisses liberals off.....

The Argent Dragon | 01-20-2010 11:15 AM
Re: No Guns for Negroes I enjoyed listening to a different perspective. More guns in the hands of respectable US citizens = less crime. period. Also, moved thread to Firearms section where it belongs. :wink:

Twisted Avatar | 01-20-2010 11:28 AM
Re: No Guns for Negroes 1 Attachment(s) Thought it was bogus but I guess it was true............

The Argent Dragon | 01-20-2010 11:40 AM
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Gun control is Racist
Made me think of this >> Elitism trumps Equality. I have guns : you don't I have money : you don't I have power : you don't I AM TPTB : you are not, now bow down ! :adore:

Quadroon | 01-20-2010 12:05 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes There is a proposal to open a shooting range in a high crime black neighborhood near where I live, and the �neighborhood leaders� are all vehemently opposed. They think the presence of a shooting range/gun store will somehow cause an increase in crime and violence. Funny, but the nearly all white suburb where I shoot and purchase supplies is almost entirely free of violent crime. But you know, for once, I�m sympathetic to the anti-gun �neighborhood leaders.� I think that In the absence of a sweeping and comprehensive black cultural counter-revolution, encouraging gun ownership among lower class blacks is a very. . . risky idea. And before anybody freaks-- I also think the same applies to lower class whites. And Hispanics. In strict economic terms, I may very well be the world�s poorest elitist. Seriously, without drastic political, cultural, and spiritual change, will more guns make things better?

The Argent Dragon | 01-20-2010 12:26 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadroon (Post 2137128) They think the presence of a shooting range/gun store will somehow cause an increase in crime and violence.
Well, ya know - guns sometimes jump off the table and shoot by themselves ! Just being in the mere presence of a firearm is unhealthy. :sarc: Quote:
I think that In the absence of a sweeping and comprehensive black cultural counter-revolution, encouraging gun ownership among lower class blacks is a very. . . risky idea. And before anybody freaks-- I also think the same applies to lower class whites. And Hispanics.
How about it's risky to let unstable violent males with too much testosterone and a propensity for societal outlash own weapons of any kind ??? Seriously, I think there's a flaw in your thinking. ~AD~

____hoot____ | 01-20-2010 12:39 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Heard Aaron on A.J.'s show yesterday, claimed that these anti-gun jewish leaders are not jewish. Same old tired arguement that they are all Molech whoreshipping satanists hideing behind other religions that AJ uses. Gee, right out of 2 KINGS 23. If I hadn't grown up less than a half mile from where one of their shrines sat in a ravine on private property behind the "candy store" of a cub scout camp, I would have smercked at such sillyness in these modern days.

Twisted Avatar | 01-20-2010 12:50 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes The constitution does not impose a duty on state and local governments to protect the citizens from criminal harm" Deshaney vs.Winnebago County, 1989 U.S. Supreme Court Min 5.41 Remeber this factiod the next time a Gungrabber wants to quote figures and such. T

philobeddoe | 01-20-2010 12:50 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 2136979) I realize they have covered themselves by saying what needs to be said as quietly as possible to as few people as possible. In reality, less than 25% of their members are aware of the Jewish role in gun control and they like it that way. They are phony. Their Job is to say loud and clear "We are Jews and we love guns! We hate gun control!" to distract the goyim from what is happening. Schumer, Feinstein etc are not saying loud and clear "We are Jews and we want to disarm the goyim!" but their actions speak louder than their lack of words. The proof is not the message but how the message gets across....and they know this art.
Did you notice the blatant lie about fighting "disproportionately" in the wars? Now that's funny.....

Twisted Avatar | 01-20-2010 12:57 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Minute 6:05 is priceless......... http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...rules_con.html BRADY SHADY ON GUN RULES Control backer got son rifle WASHINGTON - Gun-control advocate Sarah Brady bought her son a powerful rifle for Christmas in 2000 - and may have skirted Delaware state background-check requirements, the Daily News has learned. Brady reveals in a new memoir that she bought James Brady Jr. a Remington .30-06, complete with scope and safety lock, at a Lewes, Del., gun shop. "I can't describe how I felt when I picked up that rifle, loaded it into my little car and drove home," she writes. "It seemed so incredibly strange: Sarah Brady, of all people, packing heat." Brady became a household name as a crusader for stricter gun-control laws after her husband, James, then the White House press secretary, was seriously wounded in a 1981 assassination attempt on then-President Ronald Reagan. Brady writes in "A Good Fight" that the unnamed gun shop ran federal Brady Law and Delaware state background checks with great fanfare. The book suggests that she did not have her son checked, as required by Delaware state law. "[W]hen the owner called in the checks, it seemed to me he spoke unnecessarily loudly, repeating and spelling my name over and over on the phone," Brady writes. Amy Stillwell, a spokeswoman for The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said the federal Brady Law does not require background checks for intrafamily gun gifts. Stillwell said she did not know whether her son was checked under the state law. The Delaware Department of Justice says the state does not have an exemption for family gifts. "Scott is not a convicted felon, and he is not prohibited from owning a gun," Stillwell said. "Scott Brady could walk into a store and buy a - he is not a prohibited purchaser." Delaware Justice Department spokeswoman Lori Sitler said the purchase could be illegal under state law if Brady did not also say who she was buying the gun for and submit his "name, rank and serial number" for a full check. "You can't purchase a gun for someone else," Sitler said yesterday. "That would be a 'straw purchase.' You've got a problem right there." Anti-gun control advocates were surprised to hear of Brady's foray into their world. "We hope that it's innocuous and there's been no laws violated," said James Jay Baker, chief lobbyist for the National Rifle Association. "It's obviously interesting that Sarah would be purchasing firearms of any kind for anybody, given her championing of restrictive guns laws for everyone."

FreeMyLand | 01-20-2010 01:11 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadroon (Post 2137128) There is a proposal to open a shooting range in a high crime black neighborhood near where I live, and the “neighborhood leaders” are all vehemently opposed. They think the presence of a shooting range/gun store will somehow cause an increase in crime and violence. Funny, but the nearly all white suburb where I shoot and purchase supplies is almost entirely free of violent crime. But you know, for once, I’m sympathetic to the anti-gun “neighborhood leaders.” I think that In the absence of a sweeping and comprehensive black cultural counter-revolution, encouraging gun ownership among lower class blacks is a very. . . risky idea. And before anybody freaks-- I also think the same applies to lower class whites. And Hispanics. In strict economic terms, I may very well be the world’s poorest elitist. Seriously, without drastic political, cultural, and spiritual change, will more guns make things better?
Quadroon, I can really see where you are coming from. The only thing is I don't believe it is entirely economic based as you implied by 'ownership among lower class'. I really think it has to do with maturity, intelligence and responsibility. Anyone who lacks these traits, regardless if they are lower class or upper class, I don't want to be around if they have a firearm. By the same token, I cannot agree with denying anyone the right to a firearm. If a person is free and lives amongst others in society - they should have the right. I believe this is true for those who have served prison terms as well. If they are free and have been placed amongst us - then they should have the capacity to own a firearm, otherwise they should have not been set free. If we believe some individuals cannot be trusted with ownership of a firearm, then perhaps they should not be trusted to be among others in society to begin with. If they want to do harm to others, they will do so regardless of the law. Maybe I am too old school, but I put the blame almost entirely on our justice system. Before our justice system went corporate, citizens were actively involved with their collective well being. Justice was served for the victim, instead of for the benefit of the state. There was a time when towns had a single sheriff who would call upon the citizenry to enforce the law. When their was a murder or violent crime, the citizens were actively involved instead of passively allowing the 'legal system' to handle it. Frontier justice was quick and merciless - providing an extreme deterrent to those who would do harm to an innocent citizen. If we had handled justice, back then, as we do today - most parts of this country would be run by criminals (oh wait, it happened anyway!).

Twisted Avatar | 01-20-2010 02:26 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes "[W]hen the owner called in the checks, it seemed to me he spoke unnecessarily loudly, repeating and spelling my name over and over on the phone," Brady writes. What's the matter Ms Brady??? If I didnt know better you sound a tad bit perturbed. Dont you like nice good,strong,stringent,gun control laws??? T

occamsrazor | 01-20-2010 02:57 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes I`m a rabid Russian patriot but IMHO Russia is not ready for carrying permits. Only the elite and the security can carry there and I agree with the laws. I`ve gotten into fights in Russia since I was 5, had a knife stuck to my throat at 7 and I went to one the top, most elite HS in the country.

Twisted Avatar | 01-20-2010 03:21 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 2136990) Minute 5:20 is VERY INFORMATIVE THOMAS DODD ( Chris Dodds daddy) Went to the libary of congress and got the Nazi Gun act from 1938 and had it translated to english to be used as the template for Gun Control. Some parts are verbatim Now THAT is a good gem to keep tucked away. T
Another Gun vid that confirms Dodds daddy did the dirty deed. Minute 2:27 You Tube
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I am me, I am free | 01-20-2010 03:31 PM
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say what you want about them But I love rubbing in the fact that the NRA is americas oldest civil rights group (1871) pisses liberals off.....
It would appear that anyone who supports that traitorous 5th column organization known as the NRA is suffering from a rectal-cranial inversion. The NRA provides cover for the gungrabbers while taking money from gunowners and making them feel good about themselves. Some people are frighteningly naive. You can thank the NRA for NFA '34, GCA '68, the machinegun ban, and ESPECIALLY that biggest pile of steaming dung, NICS. That's right - every time you have to fill out a yellow sheet and 'ask permission' of gov.org if you can have a gun, you can thank the NRA.

GoldWampum | 01-20-2010 03:32 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes The way to get society ready for carrying is to allow all to carry. Offer education in guns of course, but everyone carrying would sort peoples' manners real quick. Imagine the effect on car jacking or armed robbery if it was an immediate and fatal execution.

Apocalypto | 01-20-2010 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldWampum (Post 2137467) Imagine the effect on car jacking or armed robbery if it was an immediate and fatal execution.
While I agree with certain aspects of the premise you're offering, there is another very real possibility to this. If everyone was carrying, and everyone knew that everyone else was carrying, carjackers probably wouldn't just stick a pistol into the window and threaten to shoot. They would just shoot and kill the victim quickly, probably from the driver's 8:00 position. In other words, they would use the element of surprise, and kill the victim before the victim could realize what was happening. They'd also steal the victim's weapon and add it to their arsenal (gladly). In the case of robberies, the same logic applies. If you know when you bust into a bank to rob it that everyone is carrying, you'll just ramp up your weaponry and tactics. You might even want to knock off a couple of people right away just to make your point to the rest of the customers and employees in the bank. That's the way criminals think. That's the logical next step. Criminals are evil, and they plan in evil ways.

occamsrazor | 01-20-2010 03:41 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes I`m very old-fashioned and conservative. I want everyone carrying AND I WANT DUELS. People have been softened to the point of no return.

I am me, I am free | 01-20-2010 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by occamsrazor (Post 2137485) I`m very old-fashioned and conservative. I want everyone carrying AND I WANT DUELS. People have been softened to the point of no return.
Oh horrors! You desire that society get back to the the importance of honor? You Neanderthal!

Twisted Avatar | 01-20-2010 03:49 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 2137464) It would appear that anyone who supports that traitorous 5th column organization known as the NRA is suffering from a rectal-cranial inversion. The NRA provides cover for the gungrabbers while taking money from gunowners and making them feel good about themselves. Some people are frighteningly naive. You can thank the NRA for NFA '34, GCA '68, the machinegun ban, and ESPECIALLY that biggest pile of steaming dung, NICS. That's right - every time you have to fill out a yellow sheet and 'ask permission' of gov.org if you can have a gun, you can thank the NRA.
Congressman John D. Dingell, in actually speaking before an NRA audience, told the assembled crowd, 'In times of great stress, it is permissible to walk side by side with the devil to get to the other side of the bridge.' That is all you need to know. T

GoldWampum | 01-20-2010 03:51 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes The way to get society ready for carrying is to allow and encourage all to carry. Offer education in guns of course, but everyone carrying would sort peoples' manners real quick. Imagine the effect on car jacking or armed robbery if it was an immediate and fatal execution.

occamsrazor | 01-20-2010 03:56 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 2137498) Congressman John D. Dingell, in actually speaking before an NRA audience, told the assembled crowd, 'In times of great stress, it is permissible to walk side by side with the devil to get to the other side of the bridge.' That is all you need to know. T
This is sig-worthy.

illuminate10 | 01-20-2010 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by occamsrazor (Post 2137485) I`m very old-fashioned and conservative. I want everyone carrying AND I WANT DUELS. People have been softened to the point of no return.
We would find out quick who's "mouth is writing checks your body can't cash!" :favorites8:

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Twisted Avatar | 01-20-2010 05:12 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Quote:
Originally Posted by illuminate10 (Post 2137644) We would find out quick who's "mouth is writing checks your body can't cash!" :favorites8:
All the tuff talk would dry up overnight if the person knew that talking smack could cost them their breath. People would be pretty dam courteous of each other I think. T

occamsrazor | 01-20-2010 05:23 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes DUELS ARE THE FOUNDATION OF SOCIETY WORTH A DAMN or at least a culture of everyday street fighting like in Russia where we step outside every day to settle things like men. I once chickened out of a fight with TWO GUYS MUCH BIGGER THAN ME WHEN I WAS ABOUT 12 and my dad nearly beat me up for cowardice.

Twisted Avatar | 01-20-2010 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by occamsrazor (Post 2137693) DUELS ARE THE FOUNDATION OF SOCIETY WORTH A DAMN or at least a culture of everyday street fighting like in Russia where we step outside every day to sttle things like men. I once chickened out of a fight with TWO GUYS MUCH BIGGER THAN ME WHEN I WAS ABOUT 12 and my dad nearly beat me up for cowardice.
There is a time to fight and there is a time to withdraw. Cleary that was not the time to fight. T

Buddha | 01-20-2010 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 2137054) I enjoyed listening to a different perspective. More guns in the hands of respectable US citizens = less crime. period.
"An armed society is a polite society" Robert Heinlein

____hoot____ | 01-20-2010 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Apocalypto (Post 2137475) While I agree with certain aspects of the premise you're offering, there is another very real possibility to this. If everyone was carrying, and everyone knew that everyone else was carrying, carjackers probably wouldn't just stick a pistol into the window and threaten to shoot. They would just shoot and kill the victim quickly, probably from the driver's 8:00 position. In other words, they would use the element of surprise, and kill the victim before the victim could realize what was happening. They'd also steal the victim's weapon and add it to their arsenal (gladly). In the case of robberies, the same logic applies. If you know when you bust into a bank to rob it that everyone is carrying, you'll just ramp up your weaponry and tactics. You might even want to knock off a couple of people right away just to make your point to the rest of the customers and employees in the bank. That's the way criminals think. That's the logical next step. Criminals are evil, and they plan in evil ways.
That "logic" is not the way it is in the real world. Most all criminals are punks and cowards at heart. When is the last time you heard of something like these instances or a mass murder happenning in Alaska where almost everybody is packing and loaded for bear? Doesn't happen, even in Anchorage which is close to 15% black. Makes for a very polite society! Just think of what a calming effect it would have if we built free public shooting ranges open 24/7 in the heart of all the worst areas of the cities? Armed shooters coming and going from 50-75 miles around at all hours of the day and night to use the fancy free facility...............a criminal's worst nightmare. The Black Panthers were the first modern militia; organised to try to rid the hoods of the wave of smack and crime brought in by TPTB in the 1960s from the Viet Nam Opium War

occamsrazor | 01-20-2010 05:38 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Paradoxically your gun rights have softened you to the point of no return (I`m addressing all Americans here). Remember how martial arts started developing? A complete sword ban in Japan. Russians have been disarmed so we fight with bare hands since kindergarten AND face everyday risk of MEETING COLD STEEL ( kitchen and homemade knives). An armed society like USA AND WITHOUT DUELS ends up completely castrated because of living in nearly total safety behind your guns. Guns are a two-edged sword.

illuminate10 | 01-20-2010 05:46 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Soldiers of the mind overcome soldiers of the body. Though I do agree that fighting (for men at least), should almost be mandatory. No man wants to be and no woman wants another pu$$Y......well most anyway.

occamsrazor | 01-20-2010 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by illuminate10 (Post 2137744) fighting (for men at least), should almost be mandatory. No man wants to be and no woman wants another pu$$Y......well most anyway.
Another sig-worthy line.

Julian | 01-20-2010 06:22 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Read Clayton Cramer's The Racist Roots of Gun Control. ~15 years old, it's a good read.

hoarder | 01-20-2010 06:26 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes One good thing about duels is that excessively proud people would be eliminated from the gene pool.

GoldWampum | 01-20-2010 06:29 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Quote:
Originally Posted by Apocalypto (Post 2137475) While I agree with certain aspects of the premise you're offering, there is another very real possibility to this. If everyone was carrying, and everyone knew that everyone else was carrying, carjackers probably wouldn't just stick a pistol into the window and threaten to shoot. They would just shoot and kill the victim quickly, probably from the driver's 8:00 position. In other words, they would use the element of surprise, and kill the victim before the victim could realize what was happening. They'd also steal the victim's weapon and add it to their arsenal (gladly). In the case of robberies, the same logic applies. If you know when you bust into a bank to rob it that everyone is carrying, you'll just ramp up your weaponry and tactics. You might even want to knock off a couple of people right away just to make your point to the rest of the customers and employees in the bank. That's the way criminals think. That's the logical next step. Criminals are evil, and they plan in evil ways.
I disagree. The guy in the next car would kill 'em often enough. They would be massively outnumbered on the streets and in the banks if the good guys all carried. They are only bold cause all they have to worry about is cops right now. Criminals aren't heros they are opportunists.

occamsrazor | 01-20-2010 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 2137820) One good thing about duels is that excessively proud people would be eliminated from the gene pool.
My main sin is pride. Why do you want me dead?

hoarder | 01-20-2010 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by occamsrazor (Post 2137833) My main sin is pride. Why do you want me dead?
I don't. I was just trolling because I don't think duels are such a good idea in a civilized society. There are too many hot headed idiots and people would have to become slaves to martial arts, spending thousands of hours training to become badasses instead of doing productive work. People who have family and debts and must work 60 hours a week and live in the city would be at the mercy of unemployed thugs that spar all day.

occamsrazor | 01-20-2010 06:53 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 2137858) I don't. I was just trolling because I don't think duels are such a good idea in a civilized society. There are too many hot headed idiots and people would have to become slaves to martial arts, spending thousands of hours training to become badasses instead of doing productive work. People who have family and debts and must work 60 hours a week and live in the city would be at the mercy of unemployed thugs that spar all day.
Here I agree 100%. I did my karate when I was a teen (paid big money to an ex-KGB officer coach who could do feats which make anything you see on TV tame, a real killer with blood on his hands but a hell of a gentleman, an extremely polite and smart guy who could make holes in people with his finger).Now I carry 2 knives and a Surefire light and I`m confident I could dispatch any nut who is not carrying a gun. There is zero time to train.

platinumdude | 01-21-2010 08:58 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes What I got from the video were that two people and the gun range had one eye closed. They should learn to shoot with both open. This way they have a better peripheral view of their surroundings during a gun fight.

MetalMoney | 01-21-2010 11:01 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes I noticed the same thing. Not perfect gun handling during most of the video... However, I found the premise very interesting. Should bring pause to any liberal / minority gun basher.

Nomoss | 01-22-2010 03:11 AM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Did you all see this one from them? http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/2a-today-download.htm

gypsybiker45 | 01-22-2010 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by occamsrazor (Post 2137728) Paradoxically your gun rights have softened you to the point of no return (I`m addressing all Americans here). Remember how martial arts started developing? A complete sword ban in Japan. Russians have been disarmed so we fight with bare hands since kindergarten AND face everyday risk of MEETING COLD STEEL ( kitchen and homemade knives). An armed society like USA AND WITHOUT DUELS ends up completely castrated because of living in nearly total safety behind your guns. Guns are a two-edged sword.
Honor and noble stupidity are two different things.

occamsrazor | 01-22-2010 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by gypsybiker45 (Post 2140611) Honor and noble stupidity are two different things.
You are right,there is a very fine line between the 2 and sometimes even the smartest cannot see the difference,especially in the heat of a confrontation. I know a Russian dude who spent 7 years in a US jail for selling a pistol to an undercover agent in NYC in the early 90`s. He said an unforgettable thing: "it`s better to be a coward for 5 minutes than dead your entire life". The guy`s face is covered with knife scars and he knows what he is talking about.

nickelless | 01-23-2010 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Quadroon (Post 2137128) There is a proposal to open a shooting range in a high crime black neighborhood near where I live, and the �neighborhood leaders� are all vehemently opposed. They think the presence of a shooting range/gun store will somehow cause an increase in crime and violence. Funny, but the nearly all white suburb where I shoot and purchase supplies is almost entirely free of violent crime. But you know, for once, I�m sympathetic to the anti-gun �neighborhood leaders.� I think that In the absence of a sweeping and comprehensive black cultural counter-revolution, encouraging gun ownership among lower class blacks is a very. . . risky idea. And before anybody freaks-- I also think the same applies to lower class whites. And Hispanics. In strict economic terms, I may very well be the world�s poorest elitist. Seriously, without drastic political, cultural, and spiritual change, will more guns make things better?
I agree with PART of your last sentence--I think the problem is morality/spirituality or rather the lack of it. I know plenty of poor people who aren't stealing, killing or destroying to get what they want. One's moral perspective is going to shape their actions no matter what their social, economic or political views are. Contrast that with these principles put forth by one of the "founding fathers" of today's neo-Marxist elite, Saul Alinsky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals Quote:
* The judgment of the ethics of means is dependent upon the political position of those sitting in judgment. * In war the end justifies almost any means. * Judgment must be made in the context of the times in which the action occurred and not from any other chronological vantage point. * Concern with ethics increases with the number of means available and vice versa. * The less important the end to be desired, the more one can afford to engage in ethical evaluations of means. * Generally, success or failure is a mighty determinant of ethics. * The morality of a means depends upon whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory. * Any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical. * You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments. * Goals must be phrased in general terms like "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," "Of the Common Welfare," "Pursuit of Happiness," or "Bread and Peace."
I have many liberal friends who wouldn't even begin to entertain the kind of moral relativism (dare I say moral absence?) that Alinsky proposes: It's OK to do XYZ if the outcome is good for me, but not if the end result is bad for me. You might as well say that Stalin was a good leader because he was able to implement his policies successfully for 29 years, not that he was a monster whose actions killed 30 million people. Flip side of the coin, just because someone is poor and liberal doesn't mean they won't act in a morally honorable manner.

occamsrazor | 01-23-2010 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by nickelless (Post 2142239) You might as well say that Stalin was a good leader because he was able to implement his policies successfully for 29 years, not that he was a monster whose actions killed 30 million people. .
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/presentations.html I`m sorry to inform you that you have been lied to about almost everything including Stalin.

Hellsbane | 01-23-2010 12:18 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes A little historical factoid. I have an old middle 50,s encyclopedia, in it they have a rather long dissertation of the south during reconstruction. After reading it i came to understand much of the cause for white attitudes towards blacks and why Jim Crow laws came about. Towards the end they revealed that the northern government ordered their military commanders in the southern states to dissallow much of the white population in the south from voting, " in direct violation of the US Constitution ", and ordered them to also allow former black slaves the vote, " again, in direct violation of the US Constitution ". After blacks won sweeping political victories throughout the south, passage of the 14th Ammendment became assured, " after the white dominated southern states had refused its passage ". Now, at this time things were really beginning to heat up, again, in the south. White folks were pissed! This is when the federal military crossed the line, " again, following orders from the government ", and began training and equiping black militias to use against southern whites. Bad move! The governments of the northern states were so outraged by this, they began to demand the federal government cease its activities in the south and withdraw its southern commanders. The northern states told the federal government if they did not comply, they would withdraw their support. All northern states threatened that if the federal government started another war, they would not support them with some even going so far as to tell them, they would gladly aid the south! The rest is history as most know it. The federal government brought reconstruction to an end, withdrew its southern commanders and let the south do as it would. As a direct result of these things, and more, the attitudes of whites towards blacks took a decidedly negative turn and Jim Crow became the mainstay for generations.

livtocruz | 01-23-2010 02:54 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes Remember when? On the side of all police cars was painted "To Protect and Serve"? When was the last time you saw that on the side of a police car?

nickelless | 01-23-2010 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by occamsrazor (Post 2142529) http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/presentations.html I`m sorry to inform you that you have been lied to about almost everything including Stalin.
Riiiiiiiiight. And these people are astrophysicists: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djubl...rthsociety.htm

occamsrazor | 01-23-2010 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by nickelless (Post 2143122) Riiiiiiiiight. And these people are astrophysicists: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djubl...rthsociety.htm
And who are you?

nickelless | 01-23-2010 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by occamsrazor (Post 2143125) And who are you?
I'm a journalist. I cross-check information to confirm or refute facts. It can be objectively proven that the Earth isn't flat. And the graves of millions of dead Russians and others from the early to mid-20th Century are pretty damning evidence against Stalin regardless of how many sympathizers he has. But hey, Stalinism is still working well in North Korea, so why stop a good thing if it works??:sarc:

occamsrazor | 01-23-2010 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by nickelless (Post 2143143) I'm a journalist. I cross-check information to confirm or refute facts. It can be objectively proven that the Earth isn't flat. And the graves of millions of dead Russians and others from the early to mid-20th Century are pretty damning evidence against Stalin regardless of how many sympathizers he has. But hey, Stalinism is still working well in North Korea, so why stop a good thing if it works??:sarc:
I`m Russian and I can`t wait until someone shows me the graves of those killed by Stalin. Could you do me this long-needed favor? Stalinism is my specialty.

nickelless | 01-23-2010 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by occamsrazor (Post 2143152) I`m Russian and I can`t wait until someone shows me the graves of those killed by Stalin. Could you do me this long-needed favor? Stalinism is my specialty.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was a Russian also, but he advocated freedom and liberty, which nobody can honestly say Stalin advocated. Having said that, I'd like to suggest a totally new thread for this conversation so that the original thread here can get back on topic.

occamsrazor | 01-23-2010 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by nickelless (Post 2143234) Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was a Russian also, but he advocated freedom and liberty, which nobody can honestly say Stalin advocated. Having said that, I'd like to suggest a totally new thread for this conversation so that the original thread here can get back on topic.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was a cheap NWO whore. I do have a tendency to pounce on those who mindlessly repeat NWO lies about Russia,Stalin etc. GIM is a place for thinking people who deal in facts only (I hope it is). Learn to distinguish between facts and propaganda and your eyes will open to countless lies you`ve been fed in your life. Start from examining the big events of the 20th century such as WW2 and its participants. Sorry for digressing again.

Bullion_Bob | 01-24-2010 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by occamsrazor (Post 2137693) DUELS ARE THE FOUNDATION OF SOCIETY WORTH A DAMN or at least a culture of everyday street fighting like in Russia where we step outside every day to settle things like men. I once chickened out of a fight with TWO GUYS MUCH BIGGER THAN ME WHEN I WAS ABOUT 12 and my dad nearly beat me up for cowardice.
I think it was probably one guy, and he was the same size, or smaller, and you nearly getting beat up by your dad was him taking you out for ice cream afterwards. :signs14:

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GoldWampum | 01-24-2010 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullion_Bob (Post 2144120) I think it was probably one guy, and he was the same size, or smaller, and you nearly getting beat up by your dad was him taking you out for ice cream afterwards. :signs14:
I think you're on to him.:wink: http://static.railbirds.com/gallery/...tough_guy1.jpg

occamsrazor | 01-24-2010 04:36 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes http://rlv.zcache.com/my_color_is_br...324crx_400.jpg

Bullion_Bob | 01-24-2010 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldWampum (Post 2144175) I think you're on to him.:wink: http://static.railbirds.com/gallery/...tough_guy1.jpg
lol...after reading the caption, I'd have to say that's one of the more hilarious ones I've seen.

occamsrazor | 01-24-2010 09:33 PM
Re: No Guns for Negroes It is pretty funny.

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