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luft97 | 11-16-2008 04:57 AM
For those that picked up a Saiga 12 I know quite a few of us have picked up Saiga 12s lately and the 10 round magazines are hard to come by. I just picked up 2 of these 10 rounders here: http://www.saiga-12.com/proddetail.a...%2DCLEAR%2DMAG http://www.saiga-12.com/prodimages/A...CLEAR-MAGS.gif There were 4 left in stock after I bought mine. I would rather a GIM member get them if you guys need them.

Twisted Avatar | 11-16-2008 08:21 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 There gone.......... But thanks for thinking about us.:ok: T

Twisted Avatar | 11-16-2008 08:26 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Missippi firearms has that some 12 rounders that are due to come out mid December

Twisted Avatar | 11-16-2008 09:26 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by gangsta99 (Post 1418581) TA I am getting 2 of those from Mississippi but being a brand new item I am concerned they might not function well and I don't care to be a guinea pig. Picked up some solid black 10 rounders though direct from the manufacteur. Go to AGP Arms website and by the 10 round mags directly for $49 a pop.
That dose make a alot of sense come to think of it..:ok: They are currently out of stock .........but check out the memo they left AGP Arms Saiga-12 10 Round Magazine US made 10 round magazine for the Saiga-12 shotgun. This counts as 3 US made parts and is marked "USA" on the body, follower and floorplate. It is made from glass filled Nylon for the utmost in strength. It holds 10 rounds with a little extra space so to make it easier to seat in gun when full. Check your local laws before ordering. *****Manufactured date now molded in to prove pre-ban status after Obama's coming ban***** $49ea for Qty. 1-9 $45ea for Qty. 10+ dealer inquiries welcome for Qty. 100+ CURRENTLY OUT OF STOCK - 11-14-08

Fatboy | 11-16-2008 11:01 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Makc added some more! SAIGA-12 CLEAR 10-round Magazine: In Stock: 52

Fatboy | 11-16-2008 11:04 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 While these are still great mags, AGP says they are not as strong as the black ones. You have to decide if clear is better than stronger.

Twisted Avatar | 11-16-2008 11:23 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 THERE ARE 2 Sagia 12 AVAILABLE THOSE WHO ARE LOOKING BETTER MOVE YOUR @$$ IT WILL NOT BE THERE IN ANOTHER 20 minutes IF THAT LONG MOVE IT !! MOVE IT!!!! http://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=GIZ107

luft97 | 11-16-2008 07:01 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboy (Post 1418689) Makc added some more! SAIGA-12 CLEAR 10-round Magazine: In Stock: 52
I see there are still 40 left. =)

luft97 | 11-17-2008 01:17 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboy (Post 1418691) While these are still great mags, AGP says they are not as strong as the black ones. You have to decide if clear is better than stronger.
Well, for me it does not matter. As long as they work it's fine with me. I was just happy to find someone with 10 round mags in stock. :biggrin:

Twisted Avatar | 11-18-2008 06:06 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 They jacked the price up to 60 dollars....... Dam. T

luft97 | 11-18-2008 06:21 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1422687) They jacked the price up to 60 dollars....... Dam. T
Doh.. :thumpdown

Twisted Avatar | 11-18-2008 06:35 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by luft97 (Post 1422712) Doh.. :thumpdown
Your not lying .......... seems that nobody is passing up the chance to rake there cilentel over the coals.

luft97 | 11-18-2008 07:16 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1422727) Your not lying .......... seems that not body is passing up the chance to rake there cilentel over the coals.
At least they are fairly quick to ship. Got my Fedex notification today. :565:

luft97 | 11-20-2008 03:46 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 I got both of my magazines today. :565:

angryhippy | 11-20-2008 04:03 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Saw a Saiga 20 at the gun shop yesterday. If it was the 12 I would have come home with it. Felt solid and sweet. The 20 was priced at 599

Twisted Avatar | 11-20-2008 05:45 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 1 Attachment(s) The only mod I would do is put a skelton stock on the back...... Pistol grip looks cool but it is NOT ideal. Depending on the shells you are using(slugs) you can knock yourself clean out.

Fatboy | 11-21-2008 06:23 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 If you plan on using anything higher than the standard five round capacity magazine provided with the shotgun (or ten round with the rifles), you may want to do a little research into 922r compliance. The feds may take a dim view of using what they may consider non-sporting magazines in an unmodified weapon. Check out the Siaga12.com forum re this issue. I hope this may help.

Twisted Avatar | 11-21-2008 06:40 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Just make sure when you go to the range factory Mags are in there.(Keep the Good stuff at home or in the back pocket when no ones looking) Which leads me to another question: Has ATF ever "raided" a gun range and started to check firearms for complience?? Anybody heard of such a thing happening recently??? T

mtnman | 11-21-2008 09:39 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboy (Post 1427835) If you plan on using anything higher than the standard five round capacity magazine provided with the shotgun (or ten round with the rifles), you may want to do a little research into 922r compliance. The feds may take a dim view of using what they may consider non-sporting magazines in an unmodified weapon. Check out the Siaga12.com forum re this issue. I hope this may help.
When/if I have to use my 10rd mags in my Saiga, those opposing that use may be the target.

luft97 | 11-22-2008 09:37 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1426963) The only mod I would do is put a skelton stock on the back...... Pistol grip looks cool but it is NOT ideal. Depending on the shells you are using(slugs) you can knock yourself clean out.
I ordered one of these stocks today TA. I'll let you know what I think about it when it gets here. :biggrin:

luft97 | 11-22-2008 11:20 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by gangsta99 (Post 1430597) Luft where did you find that stock at.
I don't know if there are any left. It said there were 18 of them when I checked out. Now it says 1? Give it a try. http://store.tradingpostsupply.com/raaiz196.html http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...3_2030_5392636

Twisted Avatar | 11-23-2008 12:09 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by gangsta99 (Post 1430597) Luft where did you find that stock at.
These guys have it too and cheaper http://www.saigastock.com/index.php?...1bac036022f07a

Twisted Avatar | 11-23-2008 12:29 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 I know what you mean....... When I get a couple of bucks I just may order one and see it I can pull it off. Or What you go do is run to the nearest Gunshop/smith and have them install if for you.... It wont be much maybe 20 bucks if that. T

Fatboy | 11-23-2008 09:46 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 TA asked: "Which leads me to another question: Has ATF ever "raided" a gun range and started to check firearms for compliance?? Anybody heard of such a thing happening recently???" I think if you do some research, you are correct in your beliefs, it just does not happen (yet). It will be an add on charge or THE CHARGE if you do something that is unjustified or justified in that order. Keep your ducks in a row and you will have no problems. If you replace the stock with an American made unit, that alone will reduce your foreign parts number by one. So I believe that if you are going to purchase a new stock BUY AMERICAN. It can only help to get to that magic number that offers compliance, it also keeps the $$$ here at home. Another point, not to be critical but if "you" (that is a you to all out there) own a Saiga, working on it, is almost part of the mystique of ownership. Get over it, get to know it, and how it works. There are enough references, videos, and information at Saiga12.com you can do just about anything to them yourself. Who knows, you may become the next prophecy over there with some new alteration that has yet to be done.

Twisted Avatar | 11-24-2008 04:14 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 I just dealt with this place Sparta Guns ask for Jeff (336)-372-4867 They have a alot of Saiga hardware and Rifles They dont have a website but they put stuff up for auction at Gunsamerica.com all the time They will ship out product the same day if the order is before 11:30am I order with them on Saturday and my product is here TODAY. T

luft97 | 11-24-2008 05:10 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1433039) They will ship out product the same day if the order is before 11:30am I order with them on Saturday and my product is here TODAY. T
Nice TA! How is the stock?:adore:

Twisted Avatar | 11-24-2008 05:38 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by luft97 (Post 1433158) Nice TA! How is the stock?:adore:
I just had a long discussion with a worker there (family owned) and after making small talk and being in agreement on much. He told me point blank he may have about 22 in stock I told him no one else seems to have them Thats right, he said,because they are tied up at the docks pending approval. That Russia and American stand off has not been fully hashed out yet. His particular shipment somehow "slipped through the cracks" before the hammer fell. The staff there are busting out 14-17 hours days packing and shipping. Said he has NEVER seen anything close to this is all his years. T

CQC McDuck | 11-24-2008 09:33 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1433207) I just had a long discussion with a worker there (family owned) and after making small talk and being in agreement on much. He told me point blank he may have about 22 in stock I told him no one else seems to have them Thats right, he said,because they are tied up at the docks pending approval. That Russia and American stand off has not been fully hashed out yet. His particular shipment somehow "slipped through the cracks" before the hammer fell. The staff there are busting out 14-17 hours days packing and shipping. Said he has NEVER seen anything close to this is all his years. T
Good info TA. Do you know if they have any Saiga 7.62s in stock, and if so how much? I just checked on gunsamerica.com and noticed that the had a few Saiga 12s for sale.

NOOB | 11-24-2008 10:14 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 saiga 12 forum, mike from md arms is giving away a few 20 round drums http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=32057

Twisted Avatar | 11-24-2008 10:27 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by CQC McDuck (Post 1433549) Good info TA. Do you know if they have any Saiga 7.62s in stock, and if so how much? I just checked on gunsamerica.com and noticed that the had a few Saiga 12s for sale.
I think he said they have a few but they are customized so that are in the 7-800 dollar range (Muzzle brake change,extra high cap mags and stuff) I still think they are good deal If I was in market I would scoop one up pronto. The Russian situation is not going to fix itself anytime soon. So the present inventory is drying up like water on hot pavement. T

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Twisted Avatar | 11-24-2008 10:31 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by NOOB (Post 1433609) saiga 12 forum, mike from md arms is giving away a few 20 round drums http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=32057
Wow thats awesome!! Mike is a Cool guy I see. T

Fatboy | 11-25-2008 07:35 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1433632) Wow thats awesome!! Mike is a Cool guy I see. T
True! Another entrepreneur creating parts for this specialty market. From what I've read he stands behind his product too. A great product at a fair price (when compared to "the other" S-12 drum supplier. What more could you ask for?

Twisted Avatar | 11-25-2008 07:48 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboy (Post 1433992) True! Another entrepreneur creating parts for this specialty market. From what I've read he stands behind his product too. A great product at a fair price (when compared to "the other" S-12 drum supplier. What more could you ask for?
Yeah I think there was BIG Blowup with him and Alliance arms. They tried to put there Wraith maker head to head against the MD-80. Alliance basically altered his product and then made a youtube video claiming it was inferior. well THE ENTIRE SAIGA FORUM jumped on there @$$es$ so bad when you look at the videos now you cant leave comments. Thats how many people came to the defense of the MD-80. If they could do it all over again They would have just shut there mouths and let Mike be. T

mtnman | 11-25-2008 09:33 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by NOOB (Post 1433609) saiga 12 forum, mike from md arms is giving away a few 20 round drums http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=32057
Coool, Thanks, I'm in with two numbers!

The Argent Dragon | 11-25-2008 09:39 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 I'm drooling over this one............ugh, I need more $$$ ~ where's my stimulus check !!!! :rant: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/beta...a12tacdrum.jpg

Twisted Avatar | 11-25-2008 10:05 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 They are sold out on that ........ Alantic has NOTHING IN STOCK but they just wont admit it....... they make you send a email only for them to tell you no. They have the WORST DAM CUSTMER SERVICE.....just write OUT OF STOCK under the item and dont waste nobodys time thinking that they hit paydirt Instead of sending people nasty grams: SOLD OUT AND NOT SURE WHEN WE WILL GET MORE 11/23 Sorry due to the recent political change we have experienced a wave of panic buying and are sold out at this time, we are unsure when more will arrive and are not taking any orders or waiting list due to a uncertain incoming units, please check back with us in 3 -4 weeks maybe the situation will improve. 11/21 Sold out 11/10 They have a piss poor business model. T

luft97 | 11-25-2008 07:42 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Got my stock today. Took my Saiga to the local gunsmith to have it put on. :biggrin:

Twisted Avatar | 11-25-2008 08:06 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by luft97 (Post 1435235) Got my stock today. Took my Saiga to the local gunsmith to have it put on. :biggrin:
I will be interested in cost and how long it took him to do. T

luft97 | 11-25-2008 08:09 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1435270) I will be interested in cost and how long it took him to do. T
He said he will have it ready for me Monday, and the cost will be $25. Monday because of the Holiday.

rad | 11-25-2008 10:24 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Tried to bump fire mine from the hip this weekend. It jammed on the third round both times. I stopped at that point since it peeled a bit of skin off the web between the thumb and index fingers.

gangsta99 | 11-25-2008 10:31 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 rad, factory 5 round mag or something else? Also what type of ammo did you use.

luft97 | 11-25-2008 10:39 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Went to the MDARMS site and it says they have 10 of the drums available due to ship 1-2-09. http://www.mdarms.com/scripts/prodvi...idProduct=1714

rad | 11-25-2008 10:50 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 I was using the 10 round clear clips. Probably the first 4 rounds out of it. The shells were Winchester 2 3/4 inch 1 1/8 oz 8 lead shot. Cheap stuff just pop off.

luft97 | 11-25-2008 10:50 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Looks like alliance has them it does not say they are out of stock. Pricey tho. $379 http://www.alliancearmament.com/imag...l/20RdDrum.jpg http://www.alliancearmament.com/wraithmaker.aspx

rad | 11-25-2008 11:22 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 I stopped after I drew blood with the two attempts, didn't try the 5 rnd mag. I thought about doing it with one of the AR's but thought better of it. Didn't want a visit from the ATF. have you bump fired one?

gangsta99 | 11-25-2008 11:38 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by luft97 (Post 1435532) Looks like alliance has them it does not say they are out of stock. Pricey tho. $379 http://www.alliancearmament.com/imag...l/20RdDrum.jpg http://www.alliancearmament.com/wraithmaker.aspx
Reading more on these drums on the Saiga 12 forums. Holy shit, this company has to be the dirtiest ****ers on the planet. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?...hl=wraithmaker I will never buy from them and suggest no one here does either.

Fatboy | 11-26-2008 05:22 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by gangsta99 (Post 1435587) Reading more on these drums on the Saiga 12 forums. Holy shit, this company has to be the dirtiest ****ers on the planet. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?...hl=wraithmaker I will never buy from them and suggest no one here does either.
The truth is out there if you look. I am glad that you found it! Alliance Armament AKA "Wraithfaker" is a company that is not very well regarded over there. To use their name is actually much worse the cussing . They even had a "best use for the Wraithmaker drum" thread quite some time ago, one of the best uses was determined to be a doorstop.

Twisted Avatar | 11-26-2008 01:24 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboy (Post 1435796) The truth is out there if you look. I am glad that you found it! Alliance Armament AKA "Wraithfaker" is a company that is not very well regarded over there. To use their name is actually much worse the cussing . They even had a "best use for the Wraithmaker drum" thread quite some time ago, one of the best uses was determined to be a doorstop.
They tried to piss on a goodmans name........ They are lucky this is the internet. If I was them I would still be looking over my shoulder. T

CQC McDuck | 11-30-2008 03:32 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 I went to my local gun shop on Black Friday and ended up walking out with this: http://i38.tinypic.com/2j0cehz.jpg They didn't have any Saiga 12s in stock, so I decided to "settle" on this Saiga 7.62 instead. :signs1:

Twisted Avatar | 11-30-2008 08:25 AM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Awesome....... What did it run you??? T

CQC McDuck | 11-30-2008 03:20 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Rifle as shown plus 100 rounds of Wolf for $560 out the door.

Twisted Avatar | 11-30-2008 03:47 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by CQC McDuck (Post 1441377) Rifle as shown plus 100 rounds of Wolf for $560 out the door.
Wow........... I rememeber when I scooped mines up for 324 I really didnt know how fortunate I was.. But I soon found out when I called back about less than 60 days later and had the dealer tells me he wants 550. The way how things are going that same 7.62 will be fetching 750 before the year is over and and soon as obama make a passing statement about About black rifles the opening bids on them will start 1300-1600 easy. Someone around here posted the AWB part 2 legislation and the 4th Rifle on that list was SAIGA. Whats my point :That was dam good investment you made and will apreciate substainally :ok:

CQC McDuck | 11-30-2008 04:04 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1441422) Wow........... I rememeber when I scooped mines up for 324 I really didnt know how fortunate I was.. But I soon found out when I called back about less than 60 days later and had the dealer tells me he wants 550. The way how things are going that same 7.62 will be fetching 750 before the year is over and and soon as obama make a passing statement about About black rifles the opening bids on them will start 1300-1600 easy. Someone around here posted the AWB part 2 legislation and the 4th Rifle on that list was SAIGA. Whats my point :That was dam good investment you made and will apreciate substainally :ok:
Yeah, when I left the gun shop with my GF I told her that I didn't get the deal of the century on it or anything. That said, I had the cash, I knew that Saigas were on the AWB2's hit list, and didn't want to be without one when stuff gets REALLY stupid. That's part of the reason why I opted to buy locally too. There's too much uncertainty to be depending on UPS to deliver my only "battle" rifle/weapon, IMO. lol

Twisted Avatar | 11-30-2008 04:14 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by CQC McDuck (Post 1441448) Yeah, when I left the gun shop with my GF I told her that I didn't get the deal of the century on it or anything. That said, I had the cash, I knew that Saigas were on the AWB2's hit list, and didn't want to be without one when stuff gets REALLY stupid. That's part of the reason why I opted to buy locally too. There's too much uncertainty to be depending on UPS to deliver my only "battle" rifle/weapon, IMO. lol
As soon as the budget allows you have to get another one for spare parts ASAP. I forgot where I read it but some one made the quote. TWO IS ACTUALLY ONE AND ONE IS ACTUALLY NONE.

Twisted Avatar | 12-03-2008 03:08 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Classic arms is taking pre oders ........very good people........ everybody else is charging almost 900 bucks for it. http://www.classicarms.us/ T

Gun Girl | 12-03-2008 03:13 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 I own 2 of those bad boys. Great rifles but I like my AK the best.

Twisted Avatar | 12-03-2008 03:17 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Girl (Post 1447036) I own 2 of those bad boys. Great rifles but I like my AK the best.
No arguements on neither. Oh yes ....... Welcome , welcome.:ok: T

chud | 12-03-2008 05:32 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 I'm gonna have to get me one of those Saigas with the skeleton stock, that's a nice looking shotgun. And GunGirl with two of 'em, damn, you go girl !!!

latitude22 | 12-03-2008 06:17 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 I ordered one from classic this afternoon, I'd like to find someone who has the 10 rounders in stock however. Man I've gone a little gun crazy the last few weeks, FAL, CETME, SAIGA and 870E the question is, am i done? no

SilverCity | 12-03-2008 07:05 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Upcoming Products--These items will be in stock soon Item Name: Surefire Saiga 12 Gauge-12RD Polymer magazine Date expected: PREORDER 12/12/2008 http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/i...index&cPath=25

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Twisted Avatar | 12-03-2008 07:41 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by latitude22 (Post 1447508) I ordered one from classic this afternoon, I'd like to find someone who has the 10 rounders in stock however.
Try them........ ask for Ely or Jeff call after 10 am Sparta Guns & Ammo (336) 372-4867 648 Osborne Rd, Sparta, NC 28675

CQC McDuck | 12-03-2008 08:14 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1447025) Classic arms is taking pre oders ........very good people........ everybody else is charging almost 900 bucks for it. http://www.classicarms.us/ T
I would be all over it if my live-in gf hadn't got laid off today. Now we're down to one income. :rant::thumpdown:censored:

Twisted Avatar | 12-03-2008 08:17 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by CQC McDuck (Post 1447740) I would be all over it if my live-in gf hadn't got laid off today. Now we're down to one income. :rant::thumpdown:censored:
Dam!! What type of work did she do??? T

CQC McDuck | 12-03-2008 08:47 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1447746) Dam!! What type of work did she do??? T
Manufacturing job for Quaker Oats/Pepsico. It especially sucks because she recently got a promotion too. lol

latitude22 | 12-15-2008 06:54 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 anyone gotten there's from classic arms yet? I noticed they charged my card, dunno if that was immediate or when they ship it. Haven't heard from my guy yet and I know as good as a customer as I have been the last couple of months he will be quick to call me :D

latitude22 | 12-15-2008 07:00 PM
Re: For those that picked up a Saiga 12 holy crap that was crazy, he called my cell within SECONDS of making that post, he has got it today, but they didn't send the FFL transfer paperwork, so I have to call them and have them fax it in the morning, then I can go get it.

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