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madfranks | 04-09-2008 10:00 PM
Derringers? What do you all think of these tiny self defense pistols? I kinda like the old school, dual-shot double barreled look. The 38 special would be kind of cool. www.cobrapistols.com

cugir321 | 04-09-2008 10:27 PM
Re: Derringers? Get a bond derringer in 410/45....load it with two 410 shotgun shells. You won't need more then two shots at 5-10 yards. The cobra's are cheap... Quote:
Originally Posted by madfranks (Post 1054757) What do you all think of these tiny self defense pistols? I kinda like the old school, dual-shot double barreled look. The 38 special would be kind of cool. www.cobrapistols.com

Krugerrand | 04-10-2008 02:57 AM
Re: Derringers? There's always been something alluring to me about a derringer. Their tiny size, I guess. I'd like to get one someday just to have one. In something like this, I'd want it to be as small as possible, so I'd probably go with a .22. Long way down the list, though... edit - like this one: YouTube - I review the Davis d-22 derringer
YouTube - I review the Davis d-22 derringer
This looks like fun: YouTube - Skeet Shooting with a Bond Arms Derringer
YouTube - Skeet Shooting with a Bond Arms Derringer

money matters | 04-10-2008 04:10 AM
Re: Derringers? If you envision a need for a defense weapon, look elsewhere. A derringer is either a super-expert's ultimate hideout weapon, or a fool's folly. The expert knows it is a last ditch something to put in an adversary's ear and pull the trigger. A deringer gives the tyro the false impression he/she is armed. There are a number of quality concealable weapons with good intrinsic accuracy. Search the real gun forums like firingline.com, 24hourcampfire.com and others for discussion on concealed carry or hideout weapons. A S&W J frame, small Walther, Seacamp will likely be very controllable and deliver greater power than most hideout derringers. Maybe your hand is just right for those crummy grips? Maybe you have a grip of iron and a finesse touch triggerfinger? Maybe you can make that 2 shot wonder stand up and bark like no one else? So what? It is still a 2 shot wonder... Hope your adversaries cut you a break and wait while you pluck out the empties in a "speed load" situation. An old Colt .41 derringer would be a great piece of romance to keep in your vest pocket opposite your pocket watch and chain; if you are into reenactments or Cowboy Shooting. After all, you're not really expecting to have to shoot someone with it are you? Good thing! Bad guys really get pissed when you miss them or deliver a stinging wound that means they have to deal with you for dissing them by shooting them with a pipsqueek gun. Not even gonna leave a decent scar. "The other homies get shot by real guns, this fool shoots me with a derringer. I just can't get no respect!" (Apologies to Rodney D. RIP)

Krugerrand | 04-10-2008 04:34 AM
Re: Derringers? LMAO... nevermind. :haha:

honu5050 | 04-10-2008 04:34 AM
Re: Derringers? i wouldent try to talk anyone out of a small derringer....they feel good with em? get one. 2 shots better then none.they fit that area where ya truly hope ya dont need to bring it out. only mi opinion....:dontknow: up to the user.

Big_Rob | 04-10-2008 10:16 AM
Re: Derringers? While I would carry one for a last ditch effort pistol, I wouldnt use it as my primary weapon. But by all means, if you want one go out and buy it. Any weapon is better than no weapon, and a .38 special shotshell would do you fine.

Professur | 04-10-2008 10:27 AM
Re: Derringers? http://www.amderringer.com/m1.html My only real issue with this is ... it might be a two shot, but with a grip like that, how can you ever expect to get off a second shot in the same direction. You've got one finger on the trigger, one on the grip, and you're firing a .45. You'd be lucky if it was still in your hand after pulling the trigger once.

SilverCity | 04-10-2008 10:31 AM
Re: Derringers? 1 Attachment(s) Maybe one of these...the COP .357 four-shot derringer. It has a unique rotating striker. You might find one used, as they are no longer made.

Big_Rob | 04-10-2008 10:36 AM
Re: Derringers? Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1055451) Maybe one of these...the COP .357 four-shot derringer. It has a unique rotating striker. You might find one used, as they are no longer made.
I remember those from a few years back, you're right though, I havent seen one at the shows for a while. heres a used one on gunbroker.net http://gunbroker.net/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=96557462

drafter | 04-10-2008 12:38 PM
Re: Derringers? Best thing about one is that you always have it. There's those people that like to poo poo anything smaller than packing around a 1911, but the fact is you just can't do that all the time. Unless you've got more chins that a chinese phonebook, some of us trimmer folks can't pack a fullsize gun comfortably without dressing in a manner that screams "I'm hiding something". I can throw my little derringer in it's pocket holster in my pocket as natural as carrying a wallet and go on my way wearing shorts and a t-shirt without anybody thinking twice that I may be armed. I can sit down comfortably and do anything I'd like without ever worrying that something might be peeking out. I might not me able to fight my way out of the Alamo, but it'll beat a poke in the eye. Having something 100% of the time beats carrying a howitzer around 75% of the time in my opinion. If I'm going to be visiting the hood or some riskier neigborhood I can plan accordingly, but for everyday use my little pistol suits me just fine.

90%RealMoney | 04-10-2008 03:43 PM
Re: Derringers? I've always wanted a little poker gun derringer as well. I've seen them chambered in .45LC, and .454 casull even. I swear I've seen one that fired a big bore rifle round, but can't remember the caliber. I know that you had to sign a liability waiver in order to purchase it though! The old peppermills were bad ass looking too!

Krugerrand | 04-10-2008 04:44 PM
Re: Derringers? Quote:
Originally Posted by drafter (Post 1055664) I can throw my little derringer in it's pocket holster in my pocket as natural as carrying a wallet and go on my way...
Drafter, do you have any pics of your derringer and holster? What caliber and make/model do you have?

<SLV> | 04-10-2008 04:56 PM
Re: Derringers? I have this one in my pocket right now... always have it in my pocket. NAA "Holster Grop" .22LR revolver (5-shot... mine is the shorter barrel which doesn't extent beyond the grip when folded): http://www.naaminis.com/pix/hg1.jpg

Twisted Avatar | 04-10-2008 05:07 PM
Re: Derringers? Quote:
Originally Posted by drafter (Post 1055664) Best thing about one is that you always have it. There's those people that like to poo poo anything smaller than packing around a 1911, but the fact is you just can't do that all the time. Unless you've got more chins that a chinese phonebook, some of us trimmer folks can't pack a fullsize gun comfortably without dressing in a manner that screams "I'm hiding something". I can throw my little derringer in it's pocket holster in my pocket as natural as carrying a wallet and go on my way wearing shorts and a t-shirt without anybody thinking twice that I may be armed. I can sit down comfortably and do anything I'd like without ever worrying that something might be peeking out. I might not me able to fight my way out of the Alamo, but it'll beat a poke in the eye. Having something 100% of the time beats carrying a howitzer around 75% of the time in my opinion. If I'm going to be visiting the hood or some riskier neigborhood I can plan accordingly, but for everyday use my little pistol suits me just fine.
+1 Just the intimidation factor alone....is more than enuff to get you out of the jam.... they fact that you might have more (THEY DONT KNOW...DO THE FEEL LUCKY ENUFF TO TRY??) some is better than none.......ALWAYS..... even if it is a dam slingshot.! T

drafter | 04-10-2008 05:14 PM
Re: Derringers? Quote:
Originally Posted by Krugerrand (Post 1055996) Drafter, do you have any pics of your derringer and holster? What caliber and make/model do you have?
I've got two "North American Arms" 5 shot mini revolvers. One in .22LR and one in .22Mag. I prefer the .22LR one since it's a tad smaller and is actually a little more accurate for me out to about 20 feet. I've got the little cordura style holster for the .22LR and one of the leather ones for the Magnum. Both are at the NAA website. I've had a few misfires with the magnum but the 22LR has never missed a beat. http://www.naaminis.com/

Krugerrand | 04-10-2008 06:13 PM
Re: Derringers? Sounds like you and SLV have the same setup. :bear_thumb: (Only SLV has the holster grip.) Pretty cool little things. They're definitely going on "The List." :D

cugir321 | 04-10-2008 07:47 PM
Re: Derringers? I've got a customer that was robbed at an ATM....he carries the NAA .22 LR in his pocket without a holster. He suprised the knife welding boys when he fired through his jeans without removing the gun from his pocket. The guy driving left his buddy running down the street. He missed him...hit the guys van in the radiator....scared the hell out of 'em. lol. A couple things. don't buy a gun until you have carried a similiar one for a few days. It's a drag carrying a big weapon. Maybe you're lucky enough to live in an open carry state...then by all means get something big and nasty. I carry a keltec 380. It fits in my front pocket like a set of keys. It weighs about 7 ounces empty...12 ounces loaded. I never say...I don't feel like carrying that thing today. If you're not going to put it in your pocket then it's worthless. Also, I like a gun I can carry hidden in my front pocket. They will always demand your money. It's natural to enter your front pocket...they are very surprised to see what comes out. If you like derringers then get it....it's small enough to carry everyday. Most likely if your robbed it will be at 5 yards or so...load it with oo buck. They won't be happy when you shoot them. Most won't stick around and try to figure out what you shot them with. Quote:
Originally Posted by drafter (Post 1056071) I've got two "North American Arms" 5 shot mini revolvers. One in .22LR and one in .22Mag. I prefer the .22LR one since it's a tad smaller and is actually a little more accurate for me out to about 20 feet. I've got the little cordura style holster for the .22LR and one of the leather ones for the Magnum. Both are at the NAA website. I've had a few misfires with the magnum but the 22LR has never missed a beat. http://www.naaminis.com/

jingles | 04-11-2008 09:31 AM
Re: Derringers? There is no "one gun fits all", use what you're comfortable with. I carry a Bond in 357 mag. There is a place for derringers. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42...E0006JPG-1.jpg I got this with two other barrels, 410/45, and 22. The 22 is good for practice. Learn to point and shoot, you lose time trying to aim. After many years of aim and shoot I found this very difficult. When you first start point shooting you will be amazed at where your bullets are ending up. Practice,practice, practice, until you are very comfortable with the piece you carry. Bond makes fine derringers, very rugged.

____hoot____ | 04-11-2008 03:49 PM
Re: Derringers? Had a blackpowder "twister" .38 caliber that I shot a lot back 30 years ago. Even drilled it out to .41 caliber. Maybe only 200 foot pounds of energy maximum, but I wouldn't want to be hit by a third of an ounce of lead moveing with enough power to blast through a 2x6.

Irons | 04-11-2008 03:54 PM
Re: Derringers? Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1056023) I have this one in my pocket right now... always have it in my pocket. NAA "Holster Grop" .22LR revolver (5-shot... mine is the shorter barrel which doesn't extent beyond the grip when folded): http://www.naaminis.com/pix/hg1.jpg
I also pack a hideout .22LR,loaded with CCI Stingers it makes quite a bark! I always tell folks who say a .22 aint much, how would you like 6 of them in your chest?

<SLV> | 04-11-2008 08:06 PM
Re: Derringers? Quote:
Originally Posted by Irons (Post 1057692) I also pack a hideout .22LR,loaded with CCI Stingers it makes quite a bark! I always tell folks who say a .22 aint much, how would you like 6 of them in your chest?
I use the CCI Velocitors. They have the most impact energy of any .22LR of which I know. I also removed the belt clip from my NAA... as such it slips perfectly into that little "useless" jean pocket. A little bit of black shows above the pocket, but nobody has any clue that it is a gun. Just last night I forgot to take it out before going to an arena football game. I walked right through security and even chatted with one of the guards. All the ladies were getting their purses searched. Say what you will about .22LR, but I've got 10,000 rounds set aside, and for a derringer I like the idea of 5 shots instead of one or two.

Krugerrand | 04-11-2008 08:27 PM
Re: Derringers? Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1058062) I also removed the belt clip from my NAA... as such it slips perfectly into that little "useless" jean pocket. A little bit of black shows above the pocket, but nobody has any clue that it is a gun.
The one in your pic above, with the black folding down handle, is really that small? You're talking about the pocket that's sorta above/inside the right side front pocket on most jeans? I can hardly fit two fingers in there. :D If the little 5-shot revolver fits in there, that's a big plus. Had no idea it was that small. :bear_thumb:

____hoot____ | 04-11-2008 11:23 PM
Re: Derringers? Quote:
Originally Posted by Krugerrand (Post 1058091) The one in your pic above, with the black folding down handle, is really that small? You're talking about the pocket that's sorta above/inside the right side front pocket on most jeans? I can hardly fit two fingers in there. :D If the little 5-shot revolver fits in there, that's a big plus. Had no idea it was that small. :bear_thumb:
They are small, about 4.5 ounces for the smallest.

cugir321 | 04-11-2008 11:53 PM
Re: Derringers? The one without the holster grip is very small. I don't like the holster grip because you can't shoot it in your pocket. I love that element of surpise. The little one...you won't even know it's in your pocket. Two reasons I didn't get it...one it's single action so you have to cock the hammer each shot, two, I'd rather have a .380....but, 22 lr kills just as dead at 5 yards. Just takes a little longer. It's a in your face gun. I like the kel-tec 380 because it's only a smiggin heavier and has a bit more punch. I've had gunsmiths tell me to stay away from the NAA magnums because the rim isn't support like the 22 LR. Quote:
Originally Posted by Krugerrand (Post 1058091) The one in your pic above, with the black folding down handle, is really that small? You're talking about the pocket that's sorta above/inside the right side front pocket on most jeans? I can hardly fit two fingers in there. :D If the little 5-shot revolver fits in there, that's a big plus. Had no idea it was that small. :bear_thumb:

Irons | 04-11-2008 11:55 PM
Re: Derringers? Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1058062) I use the CCI Velocitors. They have the most impact energy of any .22LR of which I know. I also removed the belt clip from my NAA... as such it slips perfectly into that little "useless" jean pocket. A little bit of black shows above the pocket, but nobody has any clue that it is a gun. Just last night I forgot to take it out before going to an arena football game. I walked right through security and even chatted with one of the guards. All the ladies were getting their purses searched. Say what you will about .22LR, but I've got 10,000 rounds set aside, and for a derringer I like the idea of 5 shots instead of one or two.
Thanks for the tip, I diden't know CCI had done one better.I have turned a few folks onto stingers and they were amazed, that silver round doesn't pop or crack it Booms!They are hard to get around here. I have a Beretta bobcat that has been in my pocket for over 20 years, most of the blue worn off, no big deal.If I'm ever forced to use it I pity the fool. He won't be around to sue me.:smokin:

cugir321 | 04-12-2008 07:59 AM
Re: Derringers? It's a heavier bullet in the velocitor...I believe 60 gr. They go splat when they hit the target at 50 yards. Stingers are amazing because they function in almost every gun...the case is slicker then the brass velocitors which makes it feed in almost anything. I use stingers in a little cheap SNS type gun that won't feed anything....just stingers. Quote:
Originally Posted by Irons (Post 1058327) Thanks for the tip, I diden't know CCI had done one better.I have turned a few folks onto stingers and they were amazed, that silver round doesn't pop or crack it Booms!They are hard to get around here. I have a Beretta bobcat that has been in my pocket for over 20 years, most of the blue worn off, no big deal.If I'm ever forced to use it I pity the fool. He won't be around to sue me.:smokin:

<SLV> | 04-12-2008 06:30 PM
Re: Derringers? Quote:
Originally Posted by cugir321 (Post 1058593) It's a heavier bullet in the velocitor...I believe 60 gr. They go splat when they hit the target at 50 yards. Stingers are amazing because they function in almost every gun...the case is slicker then the brass velocitors which makes it feed in almost anything. I use stingers in a little cheap SNS type gun that won't feed anything....just stingers.
"Fastest 40 gr. .22LR on the market.": http://www.cci-ammunition.com/ballis...px?loadNo=0047 And, yes, KR, I'm talking about that little tiny pocket that is usually only good for a matchbook. The shape of the pocket is just perfect for the folded NAA (with the short barrel). It sticks up a little, but nobody recognizes it as a revolver.

AuNuggets | 04-13-2008 07:06 AM
Re: Derringers? Seems funny how the people that always call Derringers "ineffective" will never volunteer to stand in front of one while you pull the trigger........ :wink:

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