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Thomas Jefferson | 11-17-2008 02:47 PM
setting long range rifle I am looking at setting up a great long range rifle does anyone have any opinions ,experience etc on this? The Sako TRG 42 in 338 Lapua http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/prod...ucts_id=105042 I have not bought any guns online(guess i am very "warry " of buying online)...however who are the cheapest and most reliable businesses to buy guns off -------and I guess being in the red state of California i have to buy through my local gun shop anyway ---and they would not be interestred in being "middlemen" because they buy from their suppliers?? The other guns I am looking at are the Ed Brown A5 Tactical http://edbrown.com/htmlos.cgi/00235....26573217872307 but these come n 308 & 300 win(still great ) i am just loking for a "great" long range gun.. What about the Armalite AR-30? http://www.shootingtimes.com/longgun...malite_121206/ I am trying to find the Reccomended retail price on this gun .... I am also looking at the savage new model 12 f class 6,5 -284 but it is only one round capacity.....and the 6.5-285 Norma though a great round --is it any good for a hard hitting long distance one mile gun?....but it does look very accurate http://www.gunblast.com/Savage-12F.htm or are these overpriced ....or am i better going with something totally different...i would prefer a bolt action rifle with a mag but am i loosing accuarcy?... I have read that single shot bolt actions are the most accuarate....? as far as optics go i am looking at US Optics.......schmidt & bender are top of the line apparently but you also are "paying for the name"... Range finder ..i am looking at leupold RX III http://www.leupold.com/tactical/prod...r-rangefinder/ the reccomended retail is 400 usd.......or is there a better one for the money? The wind meter i am looking at is the kestrel 4000....but are there others/better for the money ?.... http://www.ambientweather.com/kestrel.html Is there anything else i need? http://www.nesika.com/index.html Nesika seems to have great actions ....should i set up a gun?... the bottom line is i want one extemely accurate long distance gun that doesn't take a truck to carry around.... so many options ..i just want to make the correct decision... Thanks TJ

mick silver | 11-17-2008 02:59 PM
Re: setting long range rifle Look for some thing in the 7mm or 308 , ammo high for the 7mm i have one , The ammo for it over 20bucks for 20 rounds . As for setting up the scope i alway bore sight it first the fine turn it from there . You could look at NCSTAR they are good scopes for the price http://www.smokewagongear.com/c-1123-ncstar.aspx

mick silver | 11-17-2008 03:00 PM
Re: setting long range rifle http://www.smokewagongear.com/p-1117...dot-scope.aspx

TTAZZMAN | 11-17-2008 03:29 PM
Re: setting long range rifle Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver (Post 1420613) Look for some thing in the 7mm or 308 , ammo high for the 7mm i have one , The ammo for it over 20bucks for 20 rounds . As for setting up the scope i alway bore sight it first the fine turn it from there . You could look at NCSTAR they are good scopes for the price http://www.smokewagongear.com/c-1123-ncstar.aspx
I personally have had issues with NCSTAR scopes, in many cases they turned out to be less than functional. owned at least 4 and they all ended up over time to have similar issues Issues i have had Broken, Loose, non adjustable reticules internal lens's being loose and moving internal moisture fogging up the insides. it seems most of these issues are due to retaining rings etc not staying put and sealing. but the scopes were all good till they broke, and i never abuse or over adjust a scope,so i can only surmize the issues were created by vibration and recoil, some were only on AR-15- 223 rifles so you wouldnt think recoil would be a issue. I have had good luck with Weaver T series, and Bushnell Elite, nikon, series scopes which seem to provide good bang for the buck. If funds arnt a issue you cant go wrong with Leupold,nightforce,Zeiss,etc

Fullpower | 11-17-2008 06:11 PM
Re: setting long range rifle current production AR10 T heavy barrel. should do the job. http://www.armalite.com

Dick | 11-17-2008 06:33 PM
Re: setting long range rifle Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver (Post 1420613) Look for some thing in the 7mm or 308 , ammo high for the 7mm i have one , The ammo for it over 20bucks for 20 rounds . As for setting up the scope i alway bore sight it first the fine turn it from there . You could look at NCSTAR they are good scopes for the price http://www.smokewagongear.com/c-1123-ncstar.aspx
Are you talking about those laser round bore sights?

ruprick | 11-17-2008 06:47 PM
Re: setting long range rifle Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick (Post 1420869) Are you talking about those laser round bore sites?
You can bore sight by putting gun in a vise or proping it up on a table with whatever.....assuming it is a bolt gun....remove bolt.....look down bore and see what is in the center of the bore......look through scope...see what it is centered on....adj scope...keep doing this until bore and scope are on the same thing.....should be close...it will put you on the paper...probably in the black. When building a long range rifle....the higher the mounts the farther the distance between the 2 zero points....if that is what you want.....may not be an issue if you are going to adjust the scope per every shot.....if you are just going to use hold over....then scope ring height is important.

unalga | 11-17-2008 06:52 PM
Re: setting long range rifle First, what do you need a long range rife for? Unless you have a lot of experience and burn thru 100's of rounds to get proficient you will never hit a long range target. Second, why are you worried about long range anyway. 12GA 00 to 4 shot all you ever will need for defense at nothing past 20 yards. I assume you are trying to make sure nobody comes thru the door, not being a 600 yard sniper. If you are anywhere near the border, get a State ID from WA, NV,AZ. Not that hard and then you can have anything you want delivered to a FFL there. Screw Calif. gun laws. You guys are going to let those San Fran liberals ruin the whole State if you continue down the road you have been going.

Dick | 11-17-2008 06:53 PM
Re: setting long range rifle Quote:
Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1420884) ...should be close...it will put you on the paper...probably in the black.
Thanks, that might come in handy.

exporter | 11-17-2008 07:01 PM
Re: setting long range rifle NCSTAR = Cheap Commie Junk I have a NCSTAR spotting scope (a gift) that wont sharply focus and has horrible light gathering. My son's plastic periscope (a prize from Chuck E Cheese) looks slightly better optically! Any of the above would be good to 1,200-1,500yds depending on various factors. You said something about a one mile gun; not sure thats gonna happen for most people ever.

TomD | 11-17-2008 07:14 PM
Re: setting long range rifle Savage has a new F class rifle that is doing very well in competition. If you want more you need a custom rifle, built especially for you using components that are significantly better than anything off the shelf. Currently, the 6.5mm rounds are doing very well in the 1000 yard game. If you can afford it, Nightforce is the scope you want. Currently the NSX version is running in the $1400 range. The military, swat and virtually the whole competition scene is now dominated by NF scopes.

Fullpower | 11-17-2008 07:25 PM
Re: setting long range rifle a more specific link: http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.asp...0-49488ec48776

MOD1 | 11-17-2008 08:30 PM
Re: setting long range rifle T-J, Please don't construe my comments or suggestions as arrogant retorts. I think all of those rifles and equipment you like are fine, but you'll need a lot of trigger time and range distance to become proficient and that translates into mega bucks. A few questions you might consider: 1. Are you already a proficient shooter with a centerfire rifle? This means can you currently outshoot your present rifle 95% of the time? 2. What's your budget? Beer budget-Mod1 or Hank Paulson? 3. Is a range within reasonable distance that accommodates 600 - 1000 yard practice? Will a tank of gas get you there? 4. Do you roll your own? Commercial ammo? 5. Most importantly, and don't kid yourself. Do you have time available for practice to step beyond better than average marksmanship? The amount of practice time necessary to become incrementally better than the average marksman is extremely high. How about a Savage 110 or Remington 700 in .308 with a Simmons scope? Don't laugh. both Savage and Simmons have come a long way in the last 10 years. Take care, Mod1

morganchaser | 11-17-2008 08:48 PM
Re: setting long range rifle Quote:
Originally Posted by unalga (Post 1420892) First, what do you need a long range rife for? Unless you have a lot of experience and burn thru 100's of rounds to get proficient you will never hit a long range target. Second, why are you worried about long range anyway. 12GA 00 to 4 shot all you ever will need for defense at nothing past 20 yards. I assume you are trying to make sure nobody comes thru the door, not being a 600 yard sniper. If you are anywhere near the border, get a State ID from WA, NV,AZ. Not that hard and then you can have anything you want delivered to a FFL there. Screw Calif. gun laws. You guys are going to let those San Fran liberals ruin the whole State if you continue down the road you have been going.
Not everybody chooses to hunker down. If you run to the hills you need long range to demoralize the enemy.

ruprick | 11-17-2008 09:11 PM
Re: setting long range rifle Quote:
Originally Posted by MOD1 (Post 1421041) T-J,....... How about a Savage 110 or Remington 700 in .308 with a Simmons scope? Don't laugh. both Savage and Simmons have come a long way in the last 10 years.
Agree on the Savage. I have several old model 99....very fine guns. A few years ago, i purchased the 10ML...or ML10....can remember which way it goes.....but it the their muzzle loader based off the 110 rifle....wow...what a fine machine....the accutrigger is perfect......I think the Savage is better built than my Remington 700. BTW: the Savage 10ML is the only muzzle loader proofed for 100,000 PSI.....factory approved for smokless. POWERFUL! It shoots sub 1" groups at 100 yards....3000 ft-lb energy.....more than my 30.06

Thomas Jefferson | 11-17-2008 09:48 PM
Re: setting long range rifle when it comes to my life .....i am covering every base i can....and as far as close range defence etc...yes a shotgun has always been my fav pick but when things do breakdown here in the US (and mark my words they will-within 3 yrs) i for one do not want to get into a two way range scenario..but if i do i want the best one shot accurate long distance advantage....i am more concerned with keeping distance between myself & any "aggressor" and although many here may believe that 1000s of rounds are the answer ..i am covering the efficiency base as well ....because in history and even today on modern day warfare with all of the technology wars are won by snipers ...not spraying bullets everywhere...yes Iraq was bombed for months before the US illegally invaded ..but today snipers will push them out ...no different than what i read in American history.... hopefully a third party will grow and it will be a peaceful revolution in this country i love so much(well the constitution part at least and a few people) I am a pretty decent shot..been shooting since i was five and have been trap shooting for yrs so i have a pretty good "eye"..time and natural ability are show stoppers but i will do the best i can... thats all we can do.... ohh yes roll my own..and that is something i am very interested in.... I am getting as well Prepared as i can i all areas....after that well ...sailing , building yachts , fishing , shooting and reading are what i enjoy..so i continue like i guess most of us here enjoying life ...ranting about these globalist scumbags & sellout politicians...and watching the sheople getting fleeced as the whole show crumbles....Rome is beginning to burn ..at least here in smokey braindead california(the lizard state..where every idiot proclaims "it s always sunny"..and i reply "well its ok if you are a lizard but i can afford clothing!..and they look back at me with their Californian two dimensional cross eyed grin).. the noose continues to tighten on these politicians and international bankers ...they have dug their own hole......it will be a show to behold as the figer pointing begins... in the mean time ....hmmmm, i am now considering a "build" of an accurate long range gun..barrels and the action...Nesika action?...shilen barrel...does anyone think that norma 6.5 round would be any good out to a mile for defence or do i really need to go up to say 338 lapua? Thanks for all the replies..its always good to roll around some ideas.... yes that savage has great specs... as for the California "liberals" i agree ....most people here probably know by now that i am not from the US..i am from NZ.....it never ceases to amaze me how brainwashed Americans are..its obviously been done deliberately...but its sad..but true.... in NZ ,Aussie Europe for many many yrs Americans have been called "sepo's", its short for "septic tank yank ,full of shit" (now dont get offended ,i don't mean to offend) but unfortunately Americans have dug their own hole,i have been here back and forwards between NZ Europe and the states for around ten or so yrs..and Americans "talk themselves up big time " and i have found that almost every time that they end up knowing very very little ...its because they are not well travelled and only compare themselves with other Americans....and they have been brainwashed to believe that "USA number one" chant..its the "attitude"that is detrimental....and in NZ it has become exactly the same...i would rather every time have an employee that has a great attitude than a smart Arse ...anyway that is allcoming to an end .....a bit of humble pie is always good for everyone at times.. in my business i have had to fire so many big mouthed all talk no action Americans...the reason why i bring it up is in response to "Californian liberals"...the facts are & many here already know is that America is totally "liberal everywhere and until the "blaming" stops and the real problem of the fed res and globalist Politicians are confronted nothing will change... I was listening to jones today..i have it blaring in the boat shed every day..theres no tolerance for pc bullshit in my business...anyway that gerald celente...he really hit the nail on head... the storm is coming ,its time to batten down the hatches and shore up the sails ,the shit will be washed away ,its just a natural "purging" once we get through it ..just like at sea ..the sun will come out...and we can put the spinnaker up and fly... i like this forum because its a graet sounding board...it would be graet to sit down and sink a few beers with a few of you very fine fellows...cheers Thanks TJ

rad | 11-17-2008 10:17 PM
Re: setting long range rifle DPMS LR 308 or Armalite AR 10 or other? http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/i.../t-168294.html http://www.dpmsinc.com/firearms/firearm.aspx?id=14

cugir321 | 11-17-2008 11:55 PM
Re: setting long range rifle 1 Attachment(s) Pick up a 75.00 dollar large ring mauser action. Find an m85 sniper 308 barrel...they use to be 60.00 at sarco..they're out. Zero headspace it. Bed the stock. You're good to 750-800 yards. Mine cost 350.00 total with a cheap BSA platinum scope. (actually not a bad scope if you get one made on monday...love the crosshairs) This gun will shoot almost any powder 4064, 4320, 4895...etc, 165 gr to 180gr bullet. 5 shots at 100 in a six inch shoot n see. 3/4 inch group at 300. The barrel was pitted on the outside...filled the pits and used alumihyde II.

farscott | 11-18-2008 07:15 AM
Re: setting long range rifle Before buying a long-range rifle, find a place to shoot it. When I was a kid, we lived near Camp Perry, the site of the National Matches, so we had access to a thousand-yard range. I thought that was the norm, but, unfortunately, it is not. I should have known that not everyone has a Great Lake for the back stop. In my experience, most any decent rifle has capability in excess of the shooter. Get proficient at 200 yards with a .22 LR, and you have learned the basics of long-range shooting, including wind estimating, effects of humidity,temperature, parallax, mirage, etc. The little .22 LR at 200 yards is like shooting a .30-06 at 1000 yards. All of the same skills are necessary, but the ammo, even high-quality match ammo, is a lot less expensive. Find a CMP Kimber 82 for $600 and learn to shoot the gun with its iron sights and then with a decent scope. Once you are shooting two-inch groups at 200 yards with that rifle, you are ready for the center fire rifle. That may not sound difficult, but it is very, very hard. That leads me to another point. Accurate long-range ammo is consistent and matched to the rifle. For a center fire, that means hand loading with lots of attention to each and every round. Invest in a good single-stage press, lots of hand tools, and some good measurement tools, including a micrometer and calipers. RCBS has a very nice single-stage press for turning out accurate rounds. I can do a maximum of 20 rounds an hour if I am in practice. That compares with the 100+ rounds I can do on my Dillon XL650 for .45 ACP. If you do not reload, start by reading a few reloading manuals. I would avoid the .300 Win Mag due to the short neck length of the round. I would also avoid the Lapua rounds unless you have lots of money to burn. For a rifle that you intend to keep and not rebarrel every year, I would avoid any of the magnums. Those hot rounds cause throat erosion and barreling a precision rifle is not inexpensive. I still shoot .308 and .30-06 for range. They work just fine. The Remington 700P in .308 Win is a good starter rifle. If you want to build a rifle, pay lots of attention to the stock and how the action is bedded. Aluminum stock structures seem to be the way to go. Consistent torque is key so invest in a torque wrench. A good scope costs as much or more than the rifle. Do not skimp here or on the mounts. The Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts can deal address off-center mounting holes and help to stop tube crushing. For scopes, I like Leupold, but I am old fashioned and like the customer service. The fixed power scopes are especially nice. I have tried a U.S. Optic and was quite impressed. Good luck and have fun.

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