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Tome | 03-10-2009 09:51 AM
Why We Stockpile Ammo 1 Attachment(s) Chimp who threw stones at zoo visitors showed human trait, says scientist Attachment 65218 Santino the chimp with a stone in his hand. Assembling ammunition in advance reveals ape's unsuspected ability to plan for future The loutish behaviour of a stone-throwing chimpanzee at a zoo near the Arctic circle has challenged scientists' beliefs about human beings. Santino, a 31-year-old male at Furuvik zoo in Sweden, may be the first animal to exhibit an unambiguous ability to plan for the future, a behaviour many scientists argue is unique to humans. Forward planning takes considerable cognitive skills, because it requires an animal to envisage future events it will have to deal with. Santino would get agitated when the first groups of visitors arrived at his enclosure in the morning, and would start hurling stones at the spectators. When the zookeepers investigated, they found that, while the zoo was closed, Santino had been busy making piles of ammunition, and returned to them to resupply. To catch the chimp in action, one zookeeper hid in a room overlooking the enclosure and observed the ape's behaviour before the zoo gates opened each morning. She saw Santino dragging stones from a protective moat that surrounded his island home, before placing them in piles. Further covert surveillance of the ape revealed he spent some time tapping areas of concrete floor with his fist. Occasionally, the animal would thump harder, releasing chunks of concrete that he broke into rough discs. A survey of the enclosure showed that Santino made piles of ammunition only on the quarter of the island's shore that faced the visiting crowds. Since becoming aware of the issue, zookeepers have removed hundreds of caches of stones from the island and have observed Santino gathering stones and putting them in piles at least 50 times. Santino's attempts to fashion concrete discs has been recorded 18 times, according to a report in Current Biology. Staff at the zoo coped with Santino's antics by warning visitors when he was getting agitated, and erected a fence to try to contain the projectiles. Cognitive scientist Mathias Osvath, the author of the study, believes that such complex forward planning suggests Santino can anticipate future events and is able to devise ways of dealing with them. In this situation, he is trying to get the crowds to move on. "Forward planning like this is supposed to be uniquely human; it implies a consciousness that is very special, that you can close your eyes you can see this inner world," he said. "Many apes throw objects, but the novelty with Santino is that he makes caches of these missiles while he is fully calm and only throws them much later on. "We are not alone in the world within. There are other creatures who have this special consciousness that is said to be uniquely human." Osvath interviewed zookeepers at Furuvik and examined records of the chimp's behaviour. He found that Santino only gathered rocks and made concrete missiles when the zoo was closed. He gave up the behaviour completely when the zoo was shut over the winter. The zookeepers recently decided that an operation was the best way of controlling Santino's behaviour. "They have castrated the poor guy. They hope that his hormone levels will decrease and that will make him less prone to throw stones. He's already getting fatter and he likes to play much more now than before. Being agitated isn't good for him," said Osvath. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...stones-science :tongue_ma:

Tome | 03-10-2009 09:54 AM
Re: Why We Stockpile Ammo By MALIN RISING STOCKHOLM (AP) - A canny chimpanzee who calmly collected a stash of rocks and then hurled them at zoo visitors in fits of rage has confirmed that apes can plan ahead just like humans, a Swedish study said Monday. Santino the chimpanzee's anti-social behavior stunned both visitors and keepers at the Furuvik Zoo but fascinated researchers because it was so carefully prepared. According to a report in the journal Current Biology, the 31-year-old alpha male started building his weapons cache in the morning before the zoo opened, collecting rocks and knocking out disks from concrete boulders inside his enclosure. He waited until around midday before he unleashed a "hailstorm" of rocks against visitors, the study said. "These observations convincingly show that our fellow apes do consider the future in a very complex way," said the author of the report, Lund University Ph.D. student Mathias Osvath. "It implies that they have a highly developed consciousness, including lifelike mental simulations of potential events." Osvath's findings were based on his own observations of Santino and interviews with three senior caretakers who had followed the chimpanzee's behavior for 10 years at the zoo in Furuvik, about 93 miles (150 kilometers) north of Stockholm. Seemingly at ease with his position as leader of the group, Santino didn't attack the other chimpanzees, Osvath told The Associated Press. The attacks were only directed at humans viewing the apes across the moat surrounding the island compound where they were held. However, he rarely hit visitors because of his poor aim, and no one was seriously injured in the cases when he did, Osvath said. The observations confirmed the result of a staged laboratory experiment reported in 2006 by scientists at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany. In that case orangutans and bonobos were able to figure out which tool would work in an effort to retrieve grapes, and were able to remember to bring that tool along hours later. "Every time you can combine experimental and observational data and you get a consistent result, that is very powerful," said an author of the 2006 study, Joseph Call. "This is an important observation." He noted that individual differences are big among chimpanzees so the observation might not mean all chimpanzees are capable of the same planning. "It could be that he is a genius, only more research will tell. On the other hand our research showed the same in orangutans and bonobos so he is not alone," Call said. Osvath said the chimpanzee had also been observed tapping on concrete boulders in the park to identify weak parts and then knocking out a piece. If it was too big for throwing, he broke it into smaller pieces, before adding them to his arsenal. "It is very special that he first realizes that he can make these and then plans on how to use them," Osvath said. "This is more complex than what has been showed before." The fact that the ape stayed calm while preparing his weapons but used them when he was extremely agitated proves that the planning behavior was not based on an immediate emotional drive, Osvath said. For a while, zoo keepers tried locking Santino up in the morning so he couldn't collect ammunition for his assaults, but he remained aggressive. They ultimately decided to castrate him in the autumn last year, but will have to wait until the summer to see if that helps. The chimpanzees are only kept outdoors between April and October and Santino's special behavior usually occurs in June and July. "It is normal behavior for alpha males to want to influence their surroundings ... It is extremely frustrating for him that there are people out of his reach who are pointing at him and laughing," Osvath said. "It cannot be good to be so furious all the time." In Connecticut last month, a 200-pound pet chimpanzee once seen in TV commercials mauled a woman trying to help its owner lure it inside and cornered a police officer in his cruiser before he shot and killed it, authorities said The owner has speculated that the chimp was trying to protect her and attacked the woman because she had changed her hairstyle, was driving a different car and was holding a stuffed toy in front of her face to get the chimp's attention. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090309/D96QN3P01.html :tongue_ma:

Walter Mitty | 03-10-2009 10:39 AM
Re: Why We Stockpile Ammo Maybe that is what is being planned for us. Cut our nuts off so we become more docile and give up collecting "things".

Bx3 | 03-10-2009 02:00 PM
Re: Why We Stockpile Ammo Poor bastard. I can't help but to feel that TPTB have the same fate in store for us. Snip-snip, eat and play, anger and frustration over the hopeless position we have put you in is not healthy for you, resistance is futile, now smile for the sheeple, we don't want you upsetting them.................. :confused_ma: Never has this particular smiley been so accurately depicted on a GIM thread!

End of Hope | 03-10-2009 02:53 PM
Re: Why We Stockpile Ammo Proof that an ape is smarter than most Americans. At least he resists.

Twisted Avatar | 03-11-2009 07:33 AM
Re: Why We Stockpile Ammo You better believe they have all sorts of nasty surprises for them (The Unarmed) at the FEMA camps. Mengle would be rolling over in his grave that he didnt get the chance. T

The Argent Dragon | 03-11-2009 05:41 PM
Re: Why We Stockpile Ammo Because they look cool ? http://www.military.co.il/asg/ammunition_a.jpg

End of Hope | 03-11-2009 05:43 PM
Re: Why We Stockpile Ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1618891) You better believe they have all sorts of nasty surprises for them (The Unarmed) at the FEMA camps. Mengle would be rolling over in his grave that he didnt get the chance. T
Stem cell "research"? Organ harvesting? Assets to liabilities to assets...

The Argent Dragon | 03-11-2009 05:45 PM
Re: Why We Stockpile Ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by End of Hope (Post 1620025) Assets to liabilities to assets...
Let's just say I have plenty of 'Gunpowder Equity' in my arsenal.

The Argent Dragon | 03-11-2009 05:49 PM
Re: Why We Stockpile Ammo http://www.62infantry.com/images/pho...Ammunition.jpg

Unclad Lad | 03-11-2009 11:17 PM
Re: Why We Stockpile Ammo Have any of the chimps started wearing black 5.11s and claimed his rocks are much deadlier than those of other chimps?

TTAZZMAN | 03-11-2009 11:31 PM
Re: Why We Stockpile Ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1620039) http://www.62infantry.com/images/pho...Ammunition.jpg
those belts would put on quite a show...tracers every 3rd rnd...:36_1_25:

goldgun | 03-12-2009 03:37 AM
Re: Why We Stockpile Ammo I feel bad for the chimp. The poor guy hates being stared at all day and has nothing to do. I would probably be doing the same if I was in his cage. I can't believed they castrated him. It just shows how humans think they can cure everything even if it is total BS and goes against the laws of nature. Now I am going to go buy some more ammo so they cannot castrate me. :36_1_28:

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