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Twisted Avatar | 12-15-2008 07:12 PM
WIU students arrested with cache of weapons 1 Attachment(s) Question: How dose 4 guns constitute a "weapons cache"? and who wants to bet those "silencers" were nothing more than modified muzzel breaks? The biggest blunder they made was forwarding information over and above there legal name and ID.........Word to the wise :if you have a trunk full of firearms and somehow manage to run into a LEO SHUT YER DAM PIEHOLE TAKE THE TICKET AND GET THE @#$%^&* OUTTA THERE. MACOMB — Two men were stopped for speeding early Thursday in a truck filled with loaded guns, ammunition and military-style paraphernalia, and a comparable amount of weapons was found at one of their homes, authorities said. Bryce A. Standley, 25, of Macomb and Nicholas R. Holik, 20, of Mount Prospect were charged Thursday in McDonough County court with three counts each of aggravated unlawful use of weapons and unlawful use of weapons. Standley and Holik, both students at Western Illinois University, were released from jail Thursday afternoon on $25,000 bond each. Both men have Illinois Firearm Owner's Identification cards. A sheriff's deputy stopped their pickup truck northwest of Macomb near McDonough County roads East 750th and North 1700th at about 2:40 a.m. Thursday. Prosecutors said the truck was stopped in the roadway near a home but made a U-turn and drove away as the deputy approached. The pickup was then stopped for speeding 70 mph in a 55 mph zone. A later search of the vehicle turned up two rifles and two loaded pistols, most or all with paraphernalia including silencers, optical sites and laser pointers attached. One of the pistols, a .22-caliber, was under the driver's seat, while the other was under the passenger's seat. Also in the vehicle, police found two military gas masks, two sets of military night vision goggles, 22 AR-15 loaded magazines and nearly 250 ammunition shells. Both men were also wearing bulletproof vests. Prosecutors said the men told police they had fired the weapons at targets before they were stopped and that they were coyote hunting. "There is absolutely no evidence of anything sinister here," said Holik's defense attorney, Craig Pierce of Bushnell, in arguing for a lower bond. Circuit Judge John Clerkin reduced the bond to $25,000 from the $50,000 requested by Melidis. Standley's defense attorney, Karl Johnson, asked Clerkin if he could offer testimony from Standley's parents and a family friend, retired Third District Appellate Judge Kent Slater, all of whom attended Thursday's court appearance. Instead, Johnson ended up reciting what he believed the witnesses would testify to, including that Standley has no criminal record and is a veteran of the war in Afghanistan, a senior law enforcement major at WIU and he holds down a local job. Prosecutors said police were granted permission to search Standley's home. There they found a weapon "cache" equal to or larger than the weaponry found in the truck. Melidis said there is a "high probability" the charges could be amended based on the discovery of the additional weapons and the possibility one of the guns seized in the truck could be a machine gun. Standley is scheduled to return to court Jan. 7. Holik's next court appearance is scheduled for Wednesday http://www.pjstar.com/archive/x95282...che-of-weapons

mayhem | 12-15-2008 07:30 PM
Re: WIU students arrested with cache of weapons That's a weapons cache? Bolt the doors Katie, we be criminals. Just another reason not to live north of I-10

graspAU | 12-15-2008 07:36 PM
Re: WIU students arrested with cache of weapons I wonder what they were going to do driving around with 22 loaded magazines, gas masks, and wearing body armor? Just for kicks or maybe some innocent lives were saved by this discovery? Better hope they can prove they were out target shooting. The range I frequent gives nice reciepts and keeps a copy to verify you were there. I'm sure something like that would help their case. Wearing body armour while hunting coyotes? Hmmm. Would be interesting to watch how this one turns out. All we need now is for some idiots to go out and commit a massacre and take all of our gun rights down the drain in an accelerated fashion. :sarc:

Twisted Avatar | 12-15-2008 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by graspAU (Post 1467476) All we need now is for some idiots to go out and commit a massacre and take all of our gun rights down the drain in an accelerated fashion. :sarc:
That wil start to happen EN MASSE during the next 90-120 days. The Brady hacks are foaming at the mouth to flex there muscles come January.

Zusn | 12-15-2008 08:10 PM
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A later search of the vehicle turned up two rifles and two loaded pistols, most or all with paraphernalia including silencers, optical sites and laser pointers attached. One of the pistols, a .22-caliber, was under the driver's seat, while the other was under the passenger's seat.
Most or All? Well, which is it?? I hate when "news" is reported before all of the facts are straight. So quick to get the gossip out there. Imagine misreporting facts to your boss on a daily basis... WOW, paraphernalia!! I thought those were accessories. Next time I go somewhere with the wife, I'll ask her why she insists on wearing so much paraphernalia! Optical sites? OH DEAR GOD NO!!! Image the horror of an optical site on a gun! I'm shaking I'm so scared. Laser pointers? Does this mean only SWAT teams can have them? Are teachers and lecturers around the country going to get arrested for having laser pointers? The people who write "news" articles in this accusatory style need a good kidney massage.

Zusn | 12-15-2008 08:11 PM
Re: WIU students arrested with cache of weapons Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1467487) That wil start to happen EN MASSE during the next 90-120 days. The Brady hacks are foaming at the mouth to flex there muscles come January.
I wish I could say you are wrong, but you're not. The vice is going to continue to squeeze until something gives.

TTAZZMAN | 12-15-2008 08:16 PM
Re: WIU students arrested with cache of weapons bout time to put some ammo and firearms in sealed plastic pipes and sink in my moms septic tank.......:biggrin:

CyberGold | 12-15-2008 09:18 PM
Re: WIU students arrested with cache of weapons I also noticed they had an evil black assault tire.

Twisted Avatar | 12-15-2008 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberGold (Post 1467639) I also noticed they had an evil black assault tire.
I read it three times before I caught it. :111::111::111:

Toto | 12-15-2008 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1467440) [B] Question: How dose 4 guns constitute a "weapons cache"? and who wants to bet those "silencers" were nothing more than modified muzzel breaks?
I count 8 or more. the four in the vehicle and the equal or more amount in the home. And is a muzzel anything like a muzzle? Also a "cache" isn't the number of weapons, rather, it denotes the state the weapons are stored

graspAU | 12-15-2008 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TTAZZMAN (Post 1467541) bout time to put some ammo and firearms in sealed plastic pipes and sink in my moms septic tank.......:biggrin:
I hear ya. I was thinking a nice foodsaver roll and I could vacuum seal entire rifles for long term storage (Maybe dump in some 10w-30 synthetic motor oil), then put them in piping and bury them. Could get fun near term. :565:

mouse | 12-16-2008 12:38 AM
Re: WIU students arrested with cache of weapons That's what I have seen here. You get some news reporter showing a couple rifles coming out of a house and it's a weapons cache. For real, what do you have there, like 20 mags, about maybe 200 rounds of ammo and a couple rifles. I would be curious why said imbeciles were running around with loaded weapons in the car, gas masks, and wearing armor. Sometimes the coyote's shoot back? They were probably going to some kind of protest and wanted to be protected, with the guns as a last resort on the retreat kind of thing. Otherwise these guys were training or up to no good. Still don't see why it's a weapons cache. Do the licenses they had allow them to carry loaded in the car (concealed?).

flying | 12-16-2008 01:29 AM
Re: WIU students arrested with cache of weapons I am curious...If they were stopped for speeding how was the vehicle then searched? Is that allowed there? Here when they stop you they can ask if its ok to see in the trunk but you can refuse if they have no warrant Of course if they have probable cause they can detain you while they get a warrant. But I dont quite see why they searched these guys? Im sure I dont understand this part.. I cant tell if they ran after beings asked to stop or??? Quote:
Prosecutors said the truck was stopped in the roadway near a home but made a U-turn and drove away as the deputy approached. The pickup was then stopped for speeding 70 mph in a 55 mph zone.

Maddie | 12-16-2008 02:09 AM
Re: WIU students arrested with cache of weapons They were probably searched because they were pulled over and sped off as the cop approached their vehicle. I don't imagine their wearing bullet-proof vests helped much, either, though these days they might have searched them for no reason at all. Geez, I drive around with larger "caches" than that on my way to and from the range! I can see their dilemma if they were pulled over by a cop with that stuff, but they had to have known he'd call in their license plate if they ran from him! Stupid! And not doing the rest of us gun owners any favors...

pot_dragon | 12-16-2008 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by mouse (Post 1467914) I would be curious why said imbeciles were running around with loaded weapons in the car, gas masks, and wearing armor. Sometimes the coyote's shoot back?
Training with these items on is essential. Have you ever fired with a gasmask, or body armor on? Do you know how it will affect your aim? i think they had nothing to hide, thats why they allowed search of their house. If they were embarking on a suicide mission, why no just blow the cop away when he pulled them over? why leave their heavy hardware at home, and take .22s with them? HOWEVER: if there are going to be false flag gun attacks in an effort to take the guns, people like these guys would fit the bill. veterans are obvious choices (special forces then cia or nsa invitation), especially those with sociopathic tendencies. they dont care its americans they are shooting. they wanted to shoot americans BEFORE they joined the army as a ****ed up teen, dreaming about mall rampages or something. but these guys might also just be some regular dudes gettin ready for whats a-comin. who knows...

pot_dragon | 12-16-2008 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by flying (Post 1467951) I am curious...If they were stopped for speeding how was the vehicle then searched? Is that allowed there? Here when they stop you they can ask if its ok to see in the trunk but you can refuse if they have no warrant Of course if they have probable cause they can detain you while they get a warrant. But I dont quite see why they searched these guys? Im sure I dont understand this part.. I cant tell if they ran after beings asked to stop or???
it was a pick up truck. cop prob just saw weapons as he walked up. or wearing body armor was probably considered "probable cause". millions of "probable causes" in a case like this. To begin with, Quote:
truck was stopped in the roadway near a home but made a U-turn and drove away as the deputy approached.
and that was the policemans "probable cause" to follow them in the first place - because they happened to drive away as the cop pulled up. So many things wrong with this case.

Toto | 12-16-2008 04:56 AM
Re: WIU students arrested with cache of weapons [QUOTE=pot_dragon;1468063]and that was the policemans "probable cause" to follow them in the first place - because they happened to drive away as the cop pulled up.[/QUOTE} Because, everyone knows that it's not against any traffic laws to be PARKED IN THE ROADWAY.

Dutch Dog | 12-16-2008 06:27 AM
Re: WIU students arrested with cache of weapons They had loaded AR-15 mags...not allowed. I believe it's a federal law, though I could be wrong.

pot_dragon | 12-16-2008 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Toto (Post 1468069) Because, everyone knows that it's not against any traffic laws to be PARKED IN THE ROADWAY.
Seriously, what? If stopping in the middle of the road and doing a uturn is now probable cause in america, we are in a sad place.

GB1980 | 12-16-2008 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by mayhem (Post 1467465) That's a weapons cache? Bolt the doors Katie, we be criminals. Just another reason not to live north of I-10
AMEN BROTHER.

Professur | 12-16-2008 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by graspAU (Post 1467476) I wonder what they were going to do driving around with 22 loaded magazines, gas masks, and wearing body armor?
You've never hunted skunks, have you?

JJ_ | 12-16-2008 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Dutch Dog (Post 1468116) They had loaded AR-15 mags...not allowed. I believe it's a federal law, though I could be wrong.
you gotta be kiddin me.. Loaded Mags are illegal?? You want to rethink that?

graspAU | 12-16-2008 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1468464) you gotta be kiddin me.. Loaded Mags are illegal?? You want to rethink that?
Depends on the state. Loaded mags in guns being transported in my state is illlegal. You must seperate the guns from any loaded mags or ammunition. There are very tight rules on trasportation: CARRYING AND TRANSPORTATION IN VEHICLES Rifles and shotguns being transported in motor vehicles must be unloaded. It is unlawful for any person without a permit to wear or carry a handgun, openly or concealed, upon or about his person. It is also unlawful for any person to knowingly transport a handgun in any vehicle traveling on public roads, highways, waterways or airways, or upon roads or parking lots generally used by the public. This does not apply to any person wearing, carrying or transporting a handgun within the confines of real estate owned or leased by him, or on which he resides, or within the confines of a business establishment owned or leased by him. A person may transport a handgun if they can demonstrate that the handgun is being carried, worn or transported: � To or from a place of legal purchase or sale, or repair shop; � Between a person�s bona fide residences, or between his residence and place of business, if the business is operated and substantially owned by that person; � While engaged in, or traveling to and from a target shoot, formal or informal target practice, sport shooting event, hunting, trapping, or dog obedience training class or show; or � By a bona fide gun collector who is moving any part or all of his gun collection from place to place for public or private exhibition. During transportation to and from the above places the handgun must be unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or enclosed holster. An additional penalty is provided for any person convicted of unlawfully wearing, carrying or transporting a handgun, if his deliberate purpose was to injure or kill another person.

JJ_ | 12-16-2008 02:02 PM
Re: WIU students arrested with cache of weapons :sarcasm:yeah.. thanks for that educational post.... except I was referring strictly to to AR mags. Quote:
A later search of the vehicle turned up two rifles (likely legal)and two loaded pistols, most or all with paraphernalia including silencers, optical sites and laser pointers attached. One of the pistols, a .22-caliber, was under the driver's seat, while the other was under the passenger's seat. Also in the vehicle, police found two military gas masks, two sets of military night vision goggles, 22 AR-15 loaded magazines and nearly 250 ammunition shells. Both men were also wearing bulletproof vests.
you know somethin I don't?

Toto | 12-16-2008 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by pot_dragon (Post 1468125) Seriously, what? If stopping in the middle of the road and doing a uturn is now probable cause in america, we are in a sad place.
It didn't say stopped it said parked. there is a difference. a matter of time.

Iptuous | 12-16-2008 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Toto (Post 1468748) It didn't say stopped it said parked. there is a difference. a matter of time.
Regardless of the legality of being parked in the road (the fine details of this report are not quite firm. 'parked' could mean 'stopped' if 'most' could mean 'all'.), I think mosbunal people would agree that this should not be probable cause for searching the car any more than speeding, no? :ok:

Toto | 12-16-2008 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Iptuous (Post 1468783) Regardless of the legality of being parked in the road (the fine details of this report are not quite firm. 'parked' could mean 'stopped' if 'most' could mean 'all'.), I think mosbunal people would agree that this should not be probable cause for searching the car any more than speeding, no? :ok:
Well, it's good that most does not mean all. And you are right it should not be probable cause for searching a vehicle. That said, I believe that you hit the nail on the head with the comment "the fine details of this report are not quite firm." as it stands now I see a thread full of "heres why the search was wrong" when we don't have any proof that it was a wrongful search. But if you are going to point at the Article for verification of your theory make sure that your theory matches the facts as presented.

Iptuous | 12-16-2008 03:32 PM
Re: WIU students arrested with cache of weapons Indeed. As gun nuts, many of us get kneejerky about articles like this because we see them so often painting guns and their owners as evil until proven otherwise. The details and facts are, more often than not, fuzzy or outright incorrect. The usual gun owner reaction is to parse the story by ignoring the loaded terminology and ignore any factual inaccuracies, and say 'if the facts are as presented, what's the BFD?' This article is just one such example. The article presents the search as warranted, but doesn't give any justifiable reason. Of course the reaction is going to be "here's why the search is wrong" as if the facts are all accounted for in the article, because that is the assumption that most readers will make and the authors damn well know it. ETA: this particular case apparently has some odd things in it, i will freely admit....

The Argent Dragon | 12-16-2008 03:35 PM
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"There is absolutely no evidence of anything sinister here,"
Hmmmmmmm......it all sounds like 'Guilt by Association'....... Oh and EBR's (Evil Black Rifles) are SINISTER ~ beware ! :thumb.aspx:

Toto | 12-16-2008 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Iptuous (Post 1468881) Indeed. As gun nuts, many of us get kneejerky about articles like this because we see them so often painting guns and their owners as evil until proven otherwise. The details and facts are, more often than not, fuzzy or outright incorrect. The usual gun owner reaction is to parse the story by ignoring the loaded terminology and ignore any factual inaccuracies, and say 'if the facts are as presented, what's the BFD?' This article is just one such example. The article presents the search as warranted, but doesn't give any justifiable reason. Of course the reaction is going to be "here's why the search is wrong" as if the facts are all accounted for in the article, because that is the assumption that most readers will make and the authors damn well know it. ETA: this particular case apparently has some odd things in it, i will freely admit....
I was living with my father when Ruby Ridge and Waco Went down. And while I agree with the assesment that both were tragedies perpetrated by the ATF against American citizens my father impressed upon me that NOT every news item involving guns is a violation against the American people. I have also been interviewed by the local newspaper several times in connection with my theatrical pursuits. I know firsthand how information is misrepresented even in TRIVIAL stories. I have also witnessed crimes and saw how the story was skewed by the local paper. I have witnessed police officers telling the press member reasons for searches that were not covered in the story. It is hard for me to blame the officers based on a news item when I know how incomplete most news items are.

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reformed wastrel | 12-16-2008 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Toto (Post 1468986) It is hard for me to blame the officers based on a news item when I know how incomplete most news items are.
Yes, believing a reporter is worse than believing a politician. At least the politician will lie to you accurately.

The Argent Dragon | 12-16-2008 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by reformed wastrel (Post 1469103) .... At least the politician will lie to you accurately.
and Consistently ! :ok:

Nanook | 12-16-2008 06:29 PM
Re: WIU students arrested with cache of weapons It's Illinois. IF they were actual suppressors and not just muzzle brakes, they ARE illegal. Illinois is like California almost, but without the nice weather. We even have as many illegals. The gun laws are still not as bad as California, but they're working at it non-stop. For the record, AR-15 semi-auto rifles are still legal to own in Illinois. Also, they are not "assault weapons". Assault rifles, now there is an accurate name, have a select-fire switch. AR-15's do not have a select-fire switch. They fire one round with each squeeze of the trigger. Per Illinois law, you CAN ride to the range with loaded magazines, they just can't be inserted in a gun. They can be in the range bag for example, right next to the gun. They just can't be inserted. Of course, there may be some over-zealous police who don't know these things. They may scream "gun!!!" whenever they see one just sitting in the bed of a pick-up truck. This happens.

LowDow | 12-17-2008 01:54 AM
Re: WIU students arrested with cache of weapons These guys were out training with thier SHTF equiptment. Something anybody who is well equipted should do. Wearing everything....out at night...probably where it was legal to hunt coyotes and shoot. They probably had liscenses to hunt and there is no law against wearing this stuff when you hunt. I would guess that is where the 250 empty shell casings came from. Probably didn't pack up the truck properly...just gonna run home and unload. That was their mistake and that is against the law. Too bad it happened...we should all learn from it. In my state loaded guns and vehicals are a no no...even if you are 5 miles back on a logging road in the middle of nowhere...IF they catch you! The silencers hopefully are just flash supressors.The machine gun is that FN PS-90 SEMI-AUTO 5.7x28. You can see the box standing up in the picture in the garage. NOT a machine gun! That would leave the two loaded handguns in the vehical. But they might have to jump through hoops and pay thousands to the lawyer to get the guns back! Sad truth.

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