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NOOB | 12-07-2008 08:55 PM
Gut shot and a jammed pistol You Tube
You Tube
I don't know how centered that gut shot was but it didn't take the fight out of this guy. How many of you guys think of these things(especially those that carry)? I am of the school of keep firing till the threat stops. Oh Shit gun jam. Lets see here, pull slide, check breech, drop mag... kinda hard to think of when a guy twice your size is beating the hell out you. As a civilian, I won"t be starting any of these fights unless I am the twice bigger guy.(Any midgets want to go a few rounds?) I know that carrying a gun has exponentially raised my situational awareness. What if this particular shit hits the fan out the blue? What would you do differently? I think I could do a better job of creating distance. And my revolver looks better all the time!

IGrok | 12-07-2008 09:02 PM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol If you notice on the video the camera zooms in and out and the camera pans at times. Who the f*** is shooting the vid and does not come to the aid of the LEO? Lots of wierd stuff going on there.

NOOB | 12-07-2008 09:02 PM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol When he finally got back to the weapon he didn't try to clear it. Training out the window. If I had already shot the guy, took an ass whippin,and finally got back to my gun I think then I would have tried a jam clear.

wallew | 12-07-2008 09:03 PM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Quote:
Originally Posted by NOOB (Post 1454464) And my revolver looks better all the time!
I believe you answered your own question. If you don't get a revolver to fire, you pull the trigger again and again. If it stops firing you are empty.

Blorp | 12-07-2008 09:05 PM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Quote:
Originally Posted by NOOB (Post 1454464) And my revolver looks better all the time!
My revolver is what I have with me in the car. Dependable comes to mind.

NOOB | 12-07-2008 09:06 PM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Thats why I carry one. Under pressure I want the least problems possible. Nothing against auto loaders, they have their place but for me the revolver is the carry gun.

Iptuous | 12-07-2008 09:27 PM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Quote:
Originally Posted by IGrok (Post 1454476) If you notice on the video the camera zooms in and out and the camera pans at times. Who the f*** is shooting the vid and does not come to the aid of the LEO? Lots of wierd stuff going on there.
I'd guess that's editing for the sake of the show.

platinumdude | 12-07-2008 11:08 PM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Quote:
Originally Posted by skytrooper (Post 1454523) A leg pistol would have come in handy. I agree, once I got my pistol back I would have cleared it and killed the son of a bitch. I'll admit though, I enjoyed watching a cop get his ass kicked for once.
Like this one? You Tube
You Tube

Usury | 12-07-2008 11:18 PM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1454623) Like this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9WF_...eature=related
Wow....that's some real ****ed up shit to do in front of your kid. :puke:

Lars Ragnarsson | 12-07-2008 11:37 PM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Did a little searching on the web. This incident happened in 2000, and the guy got 10 years. I was really looking for what weapon the deputy was carrying. An article from 2002 in that county reported a shooting where sheriff's office investigator returned fire with his .40 Glock. It would be interesting to know more about that malfunction, and see if they even bothered to find out what may have caused it....

Workaholic | 12-07-2008 11:38 PM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol eddited out my angry racist comment prior to being banned

SWRichmond | 12-07-2008 11:52 PM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Probably one of those miracle Glocks.

koyaanisqatsi | 12-08-2008 12:13 AM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Quote:
Originally Posted by SWRichmond (Post 1454672) Probably one of those miracle Glocks.
"This is a Glock .40 ... I'm the only one in this room professional enough to carry ..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcKE_MUiNgw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcKE_MUiNgw
Be REAL careful! One shot is enough when you're playing with "UNLOADED guns!" bancha But no, he's still not stopping.

Twisted Avatar | 12-08-2008 12:51 AM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Quote:
Originally Posted by NOOB (Post 1454464) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbyFn...eature=related What would you do differently? I think I could do a better job of creating distance.
BINGO!!! Only engage your attacker long enough to break free and put distance between you and him. Then proceed to light his @$$ up like a Christmas tree. ........ Even if you had a jam you have the distance to clear the breech properly and continue with the "lighting up" session

Fullpower | 12-08-2008 12:56 AM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol And ONLY carry a pistol and ammo combination that has proven ABSOLUTELY 100 percent RELIABLE. If you cant shoot JHP's reliably, pack FMJ until you have the problem fixed.

tulsamal | 12-08-2008 01:29 AM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Quote:
And ONLY carry a pistol and ammo combination that has proven ABSOLUTELY 100 percent RELIABLE.
Maybe the gun he was carrying WAS 100% reliable. The video is hard to make out but he fires that gun from point blank range. He may have had it jammed up into the guy's gut. Or maybe the guy had his hand wrapped around it. Or some other contact somewhere on the gun. Something that let it fire but didn't let it cycle. That pistol might have fired 10,000 rounds without fail on the range but sometimes that isn't enough if it comes to hand to hand grappling. If some kind of contact is what jammed the gun, then you may well be right that a revolver would have worked better. You can shove a revolver way up in somebody's gut and fire every round. Or fire it through a coat pocket. If somebody gets a good hard grip on your revolver, it may keep the cylinder from turning and put you out of business. But only until you can break his grip. Then it is totally operational again. I carry a revolver more than an auto. There are good things about auto though. You just need to know what the potential problems are and how to avoid them as much as possible. And what to do (automatically) if one of those problems turns up! Gregg

Aussie | 12-08-2008 06:38 AM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Quote:
Originally Posted by skytrooper (Post 1454850) Somebody HELP Me! I can't stop laughing........
That idiot was U-n-b-e-l-i-e-v-a-b-l-e.

Twisted Avatar | 12-08-2008 06:47 AM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Quote:
Originally Posted by skytrooper (Post 1454850) Somebody HELP Me! I can't stop laughing........:cry1::rofl::4_1_72::rofl::rofl:
You know he sued the department right? His claim was .......because the video made it through the laugh circut so much his "undercover status" has been comnpromised. Dork. T

Aussie | 12-08-2008 06:53 AM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol T, I'm no expert . . . but the attacker was all over him like a dog. Surely some basic self defense training would have helped - like a hit to the throat . . . or a good kick in the nuts! :4_1_72: If you can't stand, you can't fight - right!

shortstack | 12-08-2008 07:54 AM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie (Post 1454866) T, I'm no expert . . . but the attacker was all over him like a dog. Surely some basic self defense training would have helped - like a hit to the throat . . . or a good kick in the nuts! :4_1_72: If you can't stand, you can't fight - right!
Aussie, Hard to tell much from this video but: 1. A former pro boxer was all over the cop. This cop took quite a few shots, being 100 pounds lighter and 6 inches shorter. If a pro boxer could not put a cop (100 pounds lighter then he) down with 5 strikes, then how would the cop, using one strike put someone down? You are watching too much TV and movies. 2. You think a strike is going to put this guy down - a bullet did not. 3. "You can fight if you can't stand" - that's just plain wrong. Why don't you look at MMA fights on the TV? How many MME fighters go toe to toe for the whole fight?

bfnelson | 12-08-2008 07:54 PM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol The cop is lucky the boxer wasn't any good at real fighting. Only thing that saved him is the guy didn't know how to take him down.

goldgun | 12-08-2008 08:17 PM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol I would have had my pistol out a lot faster. A man that size coming at you needs a quick mag to the chest. Then reload and do over until he stops. Hard situation though.

bfnelson | 12-08-2008 08:22 PM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie (Post 1454866) T, I'm no expert . . . but the attacker was all over him like a dog. Surely some basic self defense training would have helped - like a hit to the throat . . . or a good kick in the nuts! :4_1_72:
You'd be surprised what some people can take. If a 170lb man hits a 270lb man it feels about like a mosquito bite, punching someone in the throat is kind of a tv fantasy, nobody is going to let you do that. When I was a little 135 lb high school kid sometimes I would punch some kid 50-75lbs heavier than me 10 times in the face and they would just stagger a bit. A kick to the groin does nothing but make people really mad. Even landing a side kick to the face had lackluster results. I'd have to trip them onto the ground and stomp on their head or bang their head into the pavement and it always worked. Now that I'm 200lbs it works even better. That's the only thing I know of that stops a fight every time so my main strategy is always to go for control of their body first and then apply some kind of finishing blow. If they manage to escape control and try to rise you can get a running start and kick their head like a football, never had that one fail. ;) If you saw the video with the man beating up the lady cop that is the idea. He strikes her once to knock her down and then mounts her so she can't move. The boxer was ineffective because he did not control the cop and he could not get enough leverage standing to finish him. At his size he could have thrown him to the ground and beat him to death in under 20 seconds, a few stomps to the face from that guy would have been it.

AMforPM | 12-08-2008 09:01 PM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol You get more firepower and fast reloading with semi autos and I do have a colt 45 semi auto, but mostly I stick to 38 revolvers with the kind of ammo that blows big holes. I have read that the average real life gunfight has 3 shots fired total, on both sides, so I feel ok about 5 shot small frame 38 revolvers for personal defense. They are easy to carry and though it is possible for them to jam, they are vastly less likely to than any semi auto. I hope I never have to shoot anyone. So far, so good. But nobody better make me feel my wife is in danger. That would be a killing offense.

platinumdude | 12-08-2008 09:40 PM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Quote:
Originally Posted by bfnelson (Post 1456029) A kick to the groin does nothing but make people really mad.
I seen many pro boxing matches and mma fights to know that a good kick or punch in the nuts will take them down quick.

bfnelson | 12-09-2008 05:55 AM
Re: Gut shot and a jammed pistol Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1456167) I seen many pro boxing matches and mma fights to know that a good kick or punch in the nuts will take them down quick.
Those aren't real fights though, they're sparring matches where people measure their blows and pace themselves but there is no adrenaline flowing and no hatred. I've kicked people in the groin and been kicked there myself and it never ended anything that I remember. Once a fight like that starts you'd be lucky to get a direct hit anyway, most of the time you won't get more than a glancing blow unless he doesn't expect it. Even that video where the LEO shot himself, it didn't hurt him that bad getting hit with the .40. He'd be real hard to deal with if you shot him at close range and didn't kill him, he may have been dumb but I bet you he's mean and strong too.

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