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<SLV> | 01-21-2009 11:38 AM
My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB I think this next time around the gun laws may include the following stricter measures in addition to the AWB restrictions: 1. All handguns registered and fitted with microstamping firing pins (even old ones retrofitted). 2. All semi-automatic rifles/carbines registered and transferred only with federal paperwork / tax. I think now is the time to buy semi-automatic. It is commonly recognized that a semi-automatic weapon is more lethal than an automatic weapon. Be thankful you have the opportunity to buy semi-automatic, and get out there and stock up. I won't buy any firearm that doesn't meet the following criteria: 1. Semi-automatic 2. High capacity (20+ rifle, 15+ handgun) 3. Black 4. Common caliber (.223, 7.62x39, 7.62 NATO, 9mm Luger, 45 ACP) I think this is good advice in the current political climate. Mark my words -- Semi-automatic rifles will be put in the same (or similar) category as full-auto. PS - I won't rule out the possibility that AWB 2.0 will be confiscatory. Learn to use a shovel, and buy at least one AW FTF.

The Argent Dragon | 01-21-2009 11:42 AM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1522836) I think now is the time to buy semi-automatic. It is commonly recognized that a semi-automatic weapon is more lethal than an automatic weapon. Be thankful you have the opportunity to buy semi-automatic, and get out there and stock up. I won't buy any firearm that doesn't meet the following criteria: 1. Semi-automatic 2. High capacity (20+ rifle, 15+ handgun) 3. Black 4. Common caliber (.223, 7.62x39, 7.62 NATO, 9mm Luger, 45 ACP)
Let me also add some important 'bonus' features to look for : 5. Pistol grip + folding stock 6. Muzzle flashider 7. Shown in the Movies :coolbeer:

<SLV> | 01-21-2009 11:45 AM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1522845) Let me also add some important 'bonus' features to look for : 5. Pistol grip + folding stock 6. Muzzle flashider 7. Shown in the Movies :coolbeer:
I disagree... I'd say that the worse the reputation (and appearance) the more likely it will be confiscated or draw undue attention to you. I'd say focus on "hunting" rifles that have the same capacity or capability. For this reason I like the Marlin camp carbine (9mm), Ruger mini 10/14 (.223 / 7.62x39), and Browning BAR (.308). It isn't that hard to turn these rifles "black". I'm not looking at the situation from an investment standpoint, but a defensive standpoint. I want to make sure I preserve a good measure of self-defense. My favorite rifle is a Chinese SKS paratrooper (16") fully parkerized with black synthetic hardware and 20-round integral "star" magazine. The first impression looking at it is that it is a hunting gun. I think it is wise to cast that impression.

Twisted Avatar | 01-21-2009 11:47 AM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB The moment of truth is fast approaching. Will you disarm when told or keep what is rightfully yours? Choose well. T

chad | 01-21-2009 11:47 AM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB the mini 14 will be banned. my leftist brother in law is always bitching about mine and "why do you need that? what good could it serve?" i haven't ever shown him the AR 15, cobray, or AK.

Twisted Avatar | 01-21-2009 11:49 AM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by chad (Post 1522862) the mini 14 will be banned. my leftist brother in law is always bitching about mine and "why do you need that? what good could it serve?"
He is going to find out much sooner then he would have hoped T

<SLV> | 01-21-2009 11:50 AM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1522860) The moment of truth is fast approaching. Will you disarm when told or keep what is rightfully yours? Choose well. T
I will always obey the LAW (and law-enforcers as long as they are acting legally). I believe it is my responsibility to God to submit to authority. At that point I put myself directly under God's protection. I will never, however, use my weapons against LEGAL authority. This is my ethic and moral code. Everyone needs to know what they believe, and understand how they will act in a given situation. PS - Do you really think any individual can outgun ANY law enforcement agency with their military weapons? It is foolishness and romantic heroism.

chad | 01-21-2009 11:55 AM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB any ideas on how to document hat you have is legal? i have about 10 weapons that were "illegal" under under clinton that i bought under bush. now, they will probably become illegal again. how do i prove i bought them in the legal 8 year period? i have no receipts, as theey were al from private individuals. any ideas?

The Argent Dragon | 01-21-2009 12:03 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by chad (Post 1522885) any ideas on how to document hat you have is legal? i have about 10 weapons that were "illegal" under under clinton that i bought under bush. now, they will probably become illegal again. how do i prove i bought them in the legal 8 year period? i have no receipts, as theey were al from private individuals. any ideas?
Serial numbers & models It's probably wise to start researching now because the default is 'illegal' if you cannot prove the date of manufacture. :wink:

meatman | 01-21-2009 12:03 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1522873) I will always obey the LAW (and law-enforcers as long as they are acting legally). I believe it is my responsibility to God to submit to authority. At that point I put myself directly under God's protection. I will never, however, use my weapons against LEGAL authority. This is my ethic and moral code. Everyone needs to know what they believe, and understand how they will act in a given situation. PS - Do you really think any individual can outgun ANY law enforcement agency with their military weapons? It is foolishness and romantic heroism.
But it still fun to stock up on weapons and ammo, thinking we can defeat anyone with what we have in the closet. plus talking big on this forum- even though for all we know others on here might be only 14 years old, makes us feel good. I can't think of anything worst for gun owners then Obama maybe one thing married to a cop:applause_

The Argent Dragon | 01-21-2009 12:06 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by chad (Post 1522885) any ideas on how to document hat you have is legal?...........i have no receipts, as theey were al from private individuals. any ideas?
Oh, another idea is to compile a LOG book like FFL holders are required to do. The ATF really likes log books / records. It's not a surefire way but it beats trying to argue something like, "Well I bought it from this guy just a few years ago..........not sure of where he got it though." That'll just get you in trouble. Anything in PRINT will stand-up in court if need be. Stay Legal. -AD

Twisted Avatar | 01-21-2009 12:06 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1522873) I will always obey the LAW (and law-enforcers as long as they are acting legally). I believe it is my responsibility to God to submit to authority. At that point I put myself directly under God's protection. I will never, however, use my weapons against LEGAL authority. This is my ethic and moral code. Everyone needs to know what they believe, and understand how they will act in a given situation. .
I truly respect your wisdom, authority and belief in the most high but there comes a time when NATURAL LAW superceeds STATE LAW. This is such a time........... These people are using State Law to crush Natural Law. This cannot be allowed to stand and I will not comply when the "order" is given. YOU MUST NEVER DISARM..........EVER..... THE DAY YOU DO IS THE DAY YOU ACKNOWLEDGE A POWER HIGHER THAN YOUR GOD WHO GAVE YOU YOUR FREEDOMS. This what I believe in my heart of hearts..........and let the pieces fall where they may. We shall soon see what comes of it. T

chad | 01-21-2009 12:10 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB my AR is 100% home built from parts from like 10 places. any ideas on how to handle that?

The Argent Dragon | 01-21-2009 12:12 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by chad (Post 1522917) my AR is 100% home built from parts from like 10 places. any ideas on how to handle that?
You're screwed..........buddy. :signs14: Nahhhh......it's all hinged on the Receiver at that point and WHEN you built the darn thing. Hopefully your Receiver's serial # doesn't date your weapon between 1994 and 2004.

Twisted Avatar | 01-21-2009 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1522921) You're screwed..........buddy. :signs14: Nahhhh......it's all hinged on the Receiver at that point and WHEN you built the darn thing. Hopefully your Receiver's serial # doesn't date your weapon between 1994 and 2004.
I smell a boating accident AD what say you good sir???

chad | 01-21-2009 12:22 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1522921) You're screwed..........buddy. :signs14: Nahhhh......it's all hinged on the Receiver at that point and WHEN you built the darn thing. Hopefully your Receiver's serial # doesn't date your weapon between 1994 and 2004.
how do you find out? do i write to fulton armory and ask them when the lower was made?

The Argent Dragon | 01-21-2009 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by chad (Post 1522940) how do you find out? do i write to fulton armory and ask them when the lower was made?
Yep, that's where I'd start. :wink: As for boating accidents, TA - I'm hoping that never happens to me again. :bawling: Although, I can be a bit accident prone - especially when carrying valuable items with me. :biggrin:

chad | 01-21-2009 12:43 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB it just really pisses me off that i'm going to have to spend all this time documenting what i have is legal. i feel like a defacto "you are a criminal" edict is coming. i haven't done anything wrong, but i'm going to be a criminal soon if i don't do a bunch of extra shit i shouldn't have to in the first place.

Twisted Avatar | 01-21-2009 12:48 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by chad (Post 1522975) it just really pisses me off that i'm going to have to spend all this time documenting what i have is legal. i feel like a defacto "you are a criminal" edict is coming. i haven't done anything wrong, but i'm going to be a criminal soon if i don't do a bunch of extra shit i shouldn't have to in the first place.
Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges." ............The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." Cornelius Tacitus 55-117 A.D. T

ohioarmedneutrality | 01-21-2009 01:33 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB No offense intended to anyone here, but Jesus himself said that no man can serve two masters. If a govt or leader abuses its/his authority and does evil (e.g. King George III and parliament, Honest Abe, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, et. al.) then I don't feel an obligation to follow along peacefully. I answer to God, not the govt. It seems like everyone who invokes Romans Ch. 13, directly or indirectly, seem to look the other way at situations such as abolitionists defying the Fugitive Slave Law before the War Between the States. Curious.

<SLV> | 01-21-2009 01:36 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by ohioarmedneutrality (Post 1523092) No offense intended to anyone here, but Jesus himself said that no man can serve two masters. If a govt or leader abuses its/his authority and does evil (e.g. King George III and parliament, Honest Abe, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, et. al.) then I don't feel an obligation to follow along peacefully. I answer to God, not the govt. It seems like everyone who invokes Romans Ch. 13, directly or indirectly, seem to look the other way at situations such as abolitionists defying the Fugitive Slave Law before the War Between the States. Curious.
I did not invoke Romans 13. However, I think the example of Polycarp should be well-heeded as honorable in the sight of God. If the government enacts a law requiring me to violate God's law, then I will not honor that man-made law. I can, however, turn in my weapons without violating God's law. So if they show up at my door for them, I will turn them in. http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...p-roberts.html His pursuers then, along with horsemen, and taking the youth with them, went forth at supper-time on the day of the preparation with their usual weapons, as if going out against a robber. And being come about evening [to the place where he was], they found him lying down in the upper room of a certain little house, from which he might have escaped into another place; but he refused, saying, "The will of God be done." So when he heard that they were come, he went down and spake with them. And as those that were present marvelled at his age and constancy, some of them said. "Was so much effort made to capture such a venerable man? Immediately then, in that very hour, he ordered that something to eat and drink should be set before them, as much indeed as they cared for, while he besought them to allow him an hour to pray without disturbance. And on their giving him leave, he stood and prayed, being full of the grace of God, so that he could not cease for two full hours, to the astonishment of them that heard him, insomuch that many began to repent that they had come forth against so godly and venerable an old man.

Bx3 | 01-21-2009 01:40 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB What is with all of this documentation talk? Don't you know that registration is only/always the first step to confiscation? Folks need to figure out (soon) whether they are going to comply with registration only to end up on a "real" list and forced to give them up in a couple of years anyways, not register them and become outlaws or sell them all now and at least get your money back (like I did) while it is still legal without documentation and be done with it. :wink: Bx3

The Argent Dragon | 01-21-2009 01:44 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx3 (Post 1523112) What is with all of this documentation talk?
I in no way promote 'registered documentation'. Self documentation on your own weapons is harmless. If questioned, then you'll have it ready to defend your position 'legally'. If all else fails, then it's lead bullets flyin' down your barrel. Peace, -AD

<SLV> | 01-21-2009 01:44 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1523119) If all else fails, then it's lead bullets flyin' down your barrel. Peace, -AD
Now that's ironic. :36_3_12:

Twisted Avatar | 01-21-2009 01:46 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1523099) If the government enacts a law requiring me to violate God's law, then I will not honor that man-made law. I can, however, turn in my weapons without violating God's law. So if they show up at my door for them, I will turn them in.
God bless n keep you and your family surrounded by a hedge of protection Good Brother .......it is my deepest prayer that it works out for you. T

<SLV> | 01-21-2009 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1523126) God bless n keep you and your family surrounded by a hedge of protection Good Brother .......it is my deepest prayer that it works out for you. T
I'm not worried about it. My weapons are for protecting myself and my family from those unsavory types who would prey upon us. I owe them no respect or allegiance. Because I anticipate that criminals will have adequate (even illegal) firepower I must do everything in my power to tip the odds in my favor... humanly speaking. But remember that David killed Goliath with a single slung stone even though he picked up five stones from the stream.

The Argent Dragon | 01-21-2009 01:52 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1523123) Now that's ironic. :36_3_12:
:biggrin:.........yeah, perhaps I should have put the words, "rest in" before it.

Bx3 | 01-21-2009 01:54 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB In almost the entire history of man, one can not say that we are not living in the most interesting of times. Generations from now, our decendants will look back on us and judge whether we held the line or farted away their future. Bx3 :signs1:

Twisted Avatar | 01-21-2009 01:56 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1523137) I'm not worried about it. My weapons are for protecting myself and my family from those unsavory types who would prey upon us. I owe them no respect or allegiance. Because I anticipate that criminals will have adequate (even illegal) firepower I must do everything in my power to tip the odds in my favor... humanly speaking. But remember that David killed Goliath with a single slung stone even though he picked up five stones from the stream.
Words spoken by a man of true faith. My deepest respect.:ok: T

TLM | 01-21-2009 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1523156) Words spoken by a man of true faith. My deepest respect.:ok: T
+10 :applause_

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Victor | 01-21-2009 02:31 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1523099) If the government enacts a law requiring me to violate God's law, then I will not honor that man-made law. I can, however, turn in my weapons without violating God's law. So if they show up at my door for them, I will turn them in.
So why waste your money buying them in the first place? Serious question.

JJ_ | 01-21-2009 03:37 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by ohioarmedneutrality (Post 1523092) It seems like everyone who invokes Romans Ch. 13, directly or indirectly, seem to look the other way at situations such as abolitionists defying the Fugitive Slave Law before the War Between the States. Curious.
At the risk of goin' OT.. I came across another good rebuttal of the Rom. 13 mindset today.... just FYI http://www.newswithviews.com/Gregory/williams100.htm

ohioarmedneutrality | 01-21-2009 03:38 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB That's sort of what I'd like to know too. I'm not doubting your faith SLV. But it seems to me that giving in sheepishly to a weapons registration/confiscation scheme by a govt hellbent on enslaving you and your family (and/or outright murdering you and yours) would be foolish, and frankly, unbiblical. Christians should have faith that God will protect us, but that doesn't mean we should be doing foolish things. I have faith God will protect me, but also I don't plan on playing hopscotch on Interstate 75 while lighting up a cigarette as passing motorists admire my hat made out of black powder. If we don't agree, I'm fine with that. I'm not meaning to be dogging you. It is your choice and your conscience. Just very curious.

The Argent Dragon | 01-21-2009 03:53 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor (Post 1523225) So why waste your money buying them in the first place? Serious question.
Exactly, anyone who agrees with handing them over just put them up for SALE right now and collect your $$$$$$. If you want to buy a few hunting rifles then so be it. Many of us would be happy to buy more EBR's from those sheepish about the trouble ahead of us ~ just do us all a favor, SELL ! SELL ! SELL ! :s9:

JJ_ | 01-21-2009 04:10 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1523099) I did not invoke Romans 13. However, I think the example of Polycarp should be well-heeded as honorable in the sight of God.
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Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1523099) If the government enacts a law requiring me to violate God's law, then I will not honor that man-made law. I can, however, turn in my weapons without violating God's law. So if they show up at my door for them, I will turn them in. http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/martyrdompolycarp-roberts.html
I'd have to say - in context that Polycarp was "ready" or had been commanded by God to give himself up. And of course he was in no condition to fight anyway. I've got a family to protect. I am refraining from citing and posting scripture that makes me responsible for that. (because I know of your theological background) I cannot submit. I cannot surrender. I cannot afford to stand by and let freedom be crushed. We have lived in peace with this government as it has slowly squeezed the life of liberty away from its loyal and patriotic people for too long. I believe that we are seeing the twilight of that liberty. We have labored and debated and done all peacefully possible to keep this government in check and yet they continue to insist on filing down our liberty teeth. They are removing the ability of the people to govern. This is not the same system of government that we were intended to have. There is nothing righteous in it any longer. They intend to RULE. They have stolen. They have killed and they have destroyed. That shows plainly who their true master is and that is why I cannot let them take the one thing that stands between it and I away. There is the context that I am living in. I cannot see how there is any room for passivity at this point � there have been plenty of martyrs and there will be plenty more.

SilverCity | 01-21-2009 04:46 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Jesus commanded (and I read COMMANDED) his disciples to take a sword with them, and if they don't have a sword, to sell their coat and buy one. 35And He said to them, "When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?" They said, "No, nothing." 36And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. 37"For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, 'AND HE WAS NUMBERED WITH TRANSGRESSORS'; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment." Luke 22:35-37 If you give up your weapons when they ask now, what are you going to do when they come to kill you, your wife, and your daughters...or at least enslave them. How are you going to protect them then?

<SLV> | 01-21-2009 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1523478) Jesus commanded (and I read COMMANDED) his disciples to take a sword with them, and if they don't have a sword, to sell their coat and buy one. 35And He said to them, "When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?" They said, "No, nothing." 36And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. 37"For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, 'AND HE WAS NUMBERED WITH TRANSGRESSORS'; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment." Luke 22:35-37 If you give up your weapons when they ask now, what are you going to do when they come to kill you, your wife, and your daughters... So many christians avoid this passage...wanting to sound all noble and spiritual, I guess. Personally, I have been committing this matter to prayer for over 20 years...as in "take this cup from me, Lord". But the word to me is the same..."keep them."
Consider that the purpose of that command was to make sure that Peter had one so he could hack off Malchus's ear in the Garden of Gesthemene when Judas came with a mob to arrest Jesus. And remember at that moment Jesus rebuked him and told him to put away the sword. "Those that live by the sword, die by the sword."

S_Goldberg | 01-21-2009 04:55 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB SLV: Do you believe that the American Revolution was immoral? If submission to authority is required, then surely revolt over something as silly as taxes was unjust. What sort of reparations should be for such a transgression? Also, how do you explain the repeated revolt of the Jews when in captivity? Why would God command such activity if it is immoral?

<SLV> | 01-21-2009 04:57 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor (Post 1523225) So why waste your money buying them in the first place? Serious question.
As long as they are legal they are the best means I have of protecting myself and my family. Once they are outlawed I will be armed with blades and arrows. If they outlaw those, then it will be whips and clubs, etc. I do not own guns to oppose a tyrannical government EVEN THOUGH that IS the purpose of the second ammendment. I do not accept the Constitution as being inspired by God, nor do I believe our country was founded as a "Christian" country. Even if the government legalizes that which violates God's law (as it has in many regards) I do not feel justified in taking those liberties.

SilverCity | 01-21-2009 05:01 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1523488) Consider that the purpose of that command was to make sure that Peter had one so he could hack off Malchus's ear in the Garden of Gesthemene when Judas came with a mob to arrest Jesus. And remember at that moment Jesus rebuked him and told him to put away the sword. "Those that live by the sword, die by the sword."
Another verse says is, "Put it back in its PLACE." (Matthew) It has a place. No, we do not live by the sword but by the Word of God and for the will of God. "Blessed be the Lord my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle..."Psalm 144:1 Did David live by the sword? Every believer should make his decision based on God's Word and the best, prayerfully considered leading by the Holy Spirit. My concern is that many Christians wouldn't know God's leading, even if He smote them with a 2x4. If you choose not to use deadly force, fine. That decision is really between you and God. There many Christians who believe God is leading them otherwise.

<SLV> | 01-21-2009 05:02 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by S_Goldberg (Post 1523490) SLV: Do you believe that the American Revolution was immoral? If submission to authority is required, then surely revolt over something as silly as taxes was unjust. What sort of reparations should be for such a transgression? Also, how do you explain the repeated revolt of the Jews when in captivity? Why would God command such activity if it is immoral?
I have thought about that very question. I believe that I would have opposed the revolution had I been living back then. The only revolt of Jews while "in captivity" I can think of would be two: the Macabean revolt against the Greeks and the last stand at Masada against the Romans. The first was successful and the latter a failure. Neither of these events have any evidence that God had commanded the revolt. In ALL cases of Biblical captivity (primarily Egypt and both Babylonian captivities) it was GOD who directly intervened to permit their release -- never a revolt.

<SLV> | 01-21-2009 05:04 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1523507) Another verse says is, "Put it back in it PLACE." It has a place. No, we do not live by the sword but by for the will and by the Word of God. "Blessed be the Lord my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle..."Psalm 144:1 Did David live by the sword?
He was a "bloody man", and was therefore prohibited from constructing the temple. His son Soloman was a man of peace and therefore constructed the temple. Remember that David was the head of state and as such commanded an army for the defense of the nations territory. Even Romans 13 justifies the government in exercising force in national defense.

<SLV> | 01-21-2009 05:05 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB There are a lot of romanticists on GIM regarding violent confrontation. I almost think some will be disappointed if they don't get a chance to shoot at police officers. Violence is never fun; it is never good. "Blessed are the peace-makers" - Jesus

JJ_ | 01-21-2009 05:12 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1523512) He was a "bloody man", and was therefore prohibited from constructing the temple. His son Soloman was a man of peace and therefore constructed the temple.
still cant figure that out.... http://www.blueletterbible.org/gifs/copyChkboxOff.gif 1Ki 11:4For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, [that] his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as [was] the heart of David his father.

SilverCity | 01-21-2009 05:16 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1523512) He was a "bloody man", and was therefore prohibited from constructing the temple. His son Soloman was a man of peace and therefore constructed the temple. Remember that David was the head of state and as such commanded an army for the defense of the nations territory. Even Romans 13 justifies the government in exercising force in national defense.
Wrong. He had the innocent blood of Bathsheba's husband on his hands, not of conquered foes.

<SLV> | 01-21-2009 05:20 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1523543) Wrong. He had the innocent blood of Bathsheba's husband on his hands, not of conquered foes.
1 Chronicles 28 2 Then King David rose to his feet and said, "Listen to me, my brethren and my people; I had intended to build a permanent home for the ark of the covenant of the LORD and for the footstool of our God. So I had made preparations to build it. 3 "But God said to me, ‘You shall not build a house for My name because you are a man of war and have shed blood.’

JJ_ | 01-21-2009 05:22 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1523543) Wrong. He had the innocent blood of Bathsheba's husband on his hands, not of conquered foes.
Right -For example- God gave him strength to kill Goliath... which subsequently led to the route of the Phillistine army. not to rag ya- but this is an interesting discussion

S_Goldberg | 01-21-2009 05:24 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/...2&byte=1022066 Quote:
Judg.3 [1] Now these are the nations which the LORD left, to prove Israel by them, even as many of Israel as had not known all the wars of Canaan; [2] Only that the generations of the children of Israel might know, to teach them war, at the least such as before knew nothing thereof; [3] Namely, five lords of the Philistines, and all the Canaanites, and the Sidonians, and the Hivites that dwelt in mount Lebanon, from mount Baal-hermon unto the entering in of Hamath. [4] And they were to prove Israel by them, to know whether they would hearken unto the commandments of the LORD, which he commanded their fathers by the hand of Moses. [5] And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites: [6] And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons, and served their gods. [7] And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and forgat the LORD their God, and served Baalim and the groves. [8] Therefore the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of Chushan-rishathaim king of Mesopotamia: and the children of Israel served Chushan-rishathaim eight years. [9] And when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised up a deliverer to the children of Israel, who delivered them, even Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother. [10] And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel, and went out to war: and the LORD delivered Chushan-rishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand; and his hand prevailed against Chushan-rishathaim. [11] And the land had rest forty years. And Othniel the son of Kenaz died. [12] And the children of Israel did evil again in the sight of the LORD: and the LORD strengthened Eglon the king of Moab against Israel, because they had done evil in the sight of the LORD. [13] And he gathered unto him the children of Ammon and Amalek, and went and smote Israel, and possessed the city of palm trees. [14] So the children of Israel served Eglon the king of Moab eighteen years. [15] But when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised them up a deliverer, Ehud the son of Gera, a Benjamite, a man lefthanded: and by him the children of Israel sent a present unto Eglon the king of Moab. [16] But Ehud made him a dagger which had two edges, of a cubit length; and he did gird it under his raiment upon his right thigh. [17] And he brought the present unto Eglon king of Moab: and Eglon was a very fat man. [18] And when he had made an end to offer the present, he sent away the people that bare the present. [19] But he himself turned again from the quarries that were by Gilgal, and said, I have a secret errand unto thee, O king: who said, Keep silence. And all that stood by him went out from him. [20] And Ehud came unto him; and he was sitting in a summer parlour, which he had for himself alone. And Ehud said, I have a message from God unto thee. And he arose out of his seat.
King of Moab killed to free Israel. If it is wrong, why would God have him do it? Not advocating violence, just saying that these things are not so simple one way or the other.

<SLV> | 01-21-2009 05:26 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by S_Goldberg (Post 1523561) http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/...2&byte=1022066 King of Moab killed to free Israel. If it is wrong, why would God have him do it? Not advocating violence, just saying that these things are not so simple one way or the other.
The conquest of Canaan has been a long-debated ethical question. Probably not served best in this thread.

Twisted Avatar | 01-21-2009 05:33 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1523516) There are a lot of romanticists on GIM regarding violent confrontation. I almost think some will be disappointed if they don't get a chance to shoot at police officers. Violence is never fun; it is never good. "Blessed are the peace-makers" - Jesus
I NEVER advocate violence for the sake of violence. I advocate DEFENSE of ones life and property by any means and if violence is required to defend myself than so be it. I do not look for trouble.......I go out of my way to avoid it......but if it should still find me. I WILL BASH ITS FACE INTO THE GROUND AND CRUSH ITS NECK UNTIL IT BREAKS UNDER MY BOOT. You will not trouble me a second time. T

SilverCity | 01-21-2009 05:34 PM
Re: My prophecy: next round of gun laws STRICTER than AWB Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1523552) 1 Chronicles 28 2 Then King David rose to his feet and said, "Listen to me, my brethren and my people; I had intended to build a permanent home for the ark of the covenant of the LORD and for the footstool of our God. So I had made preparations to build it. 3 "But God said to me, ‘You shall not build a house for My name because you are a man of war and have shed blood.’
I believe this is God's judgement against David and why he wasn't allowed to build the temple... 7 Nathan then said to David, "You are the man! Thus says the LORD God of Israel, 'It is I who anointed you king over Israel and it is I who delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 'I also gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your care, and I gave you the house of Israel and Judah; and if that had been too little, I would have added to you many more things like these! 9 'Why have you despised the word of the LORD by doing evil in His sight? You have struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword, have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the sons of Ammon. 10 'Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.' 11 "Thus says the LORD, 'Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. 12 'Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun.'" 2 Samuel 12:7-12

madfranks | 01-21-2009 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1523137) But remember that David killed Goliath with a single slung stone even though he picked up five stones from the stream.
Don't forget, Goliath had four brothers. David knew he only needed one stone for Goliath, but I think he was ready for all five of them. :ok:

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