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electric-amish | 09-09-2008 08:27 PM
long range rifle question I'm lppking for something that I can hunt with--Deer and Elk and a rifle that I can shoot targets with sub MOA--Long range targets at 500 yds but mostly targets at 100yds I don't know if there is a Rifle that can do both well. I think I'd get it in .308 Any suggestions E-A

SilverCity | 09-09-2008 08:59 PM
Re: long range rifle question Quote:
Originally Posted by electric-amish (Post 1280626) I'm lppking for something that I can hunt with--Deer and Elk and a rifle that I can shoot targets with sub MOA--Long range targets at 500 yds but mostly targets at 100yds I don't know if there is a Rifle that can do both well. I think I'd get it in .308 Any suggestions E-A
I'm not much into long range hunting...but I think .308 is generally considered effective on big game to maybe 300 yards. If I were looking for an all-around rifle cartridge to include 500 yard shots on elk, perhaps something in the 7mm Magnum to 300 Winchester Magnum range...though I personally wouldn't attempt a shot that far. My only foray into the heavier-recoiling calibers was a Remington Sendaro chambered in 300 WM...an absolute tack-driver capable of grouping five shots into less than .7 inches...with recoil right at the edge of my pain threshold. :smokin: Perhaps some of our big game hunters on this forum might give you clearer guidance. EDIT: I did consider installing a good muzzle brake...but traded the rifle away instead. I understand an effective brake can reduce recoil 30% or more... SC

mick silver | 09-09-2008 09:00 PM
Re: long range rifle question i have a 7 mm , it well reach out and hit what you want at 500 yards , you well not have to run a deer down , it well stop it , it is to big for deer for me , 3030

SWRichmond | 09-09-2008 09:12 PM
Re: long range rifle question "Long Range Rifle" = .300 win mag. Thin-skinned targets out to 500 yards? .308 win with heavier bullets 7mm mag or .300 mag maybe I'd sooner suggest the .308 win and recommend lots and lots of practice which would lead to enhanced understanding of the round and rifle, better shot placement and hence better overall performance. You have to be a die hard to practice enough with a .300 mag to get good with it.

SAUM | 09-09-2008 09:15 PM
Re: long range rifle question Remington 7 MM ultramag is very flat but punishing. My rem 700 is sub MOA

still afloat | 09-09-2008 09:26 PM
Re: long range rifle question Weatherby MkV in 300 WB Dad dropped an elk at 500 yards and I use to shoot ground hogs at 200 + yards at 12 years old with it . Factory Weatherby ammo is good for long range but at 100 yards or less on white tail deer there is no expansion of the bullet so just a straight through shot . Load your own if you are shooting under 100 yards .

eat_beef | 09-09-2008 09:37 PM
Re: long range rifle question Do I read the question right that you want to shoot targets out to 500, but also hunt with it? Or do you want to hunt with it at 500? A .308 is great for targets and deer to 500, but it wouldn't be my first choice for elk at that range. BTW, 500 yards is a LONG way.:D I'd go with the 7mm Rem mag, or one of the 7mm short mags. Less recoil, more velocity, higher BC than most 30 cal mags, and doesn't give up much in the way of terminal performance.

mick silver | 09-09-2008 09:57 PM
Re: long range rifle question an the cost for these shell are high for the big guns your looking for , shells for my 7mm are 27 bucks for 20

electric-amish | 09-09-2008 09:58 PM
Re: long range rifle question Quote:
Originally Posted by eat_beef (Post 1280789) Do I read the question right that you want to shoot targets out to 500, but also hunt with it? Or do you want to hunt with it at 500? A .308 is great for targets and deer to 500, but it wouldn't be my first choice for elk at that range. BTW, 500 yards is a LONG way.:D I'd go with the 7mm Rem mag, or one of the 7mm short mags. Less recoil, more velocity, higher BC than most 30 cal mags, and doesn't give up much in the way of terminal performance.
Hunting probebly less than 300. Targets out to 500. I want maybe a Remington bolt or Browning A-Bolt-- I love that 60 degree throw. Thanks E-A

mkinla | 09-09-2008 10:11 PM
Re: long range rifle question A "Hot" load .308 in Remmington 700 will do great out to 1,000 yards, but glass can be a HUGE factor... If the glass doesn't stay true, you might as well throw rocks at ants...

TTAZZMAN | 09-09-2008 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SAUM (Post 1280738) Remington 7 MM ultramag is very flat but punishing. My rem 700 is sub MOA
Ditto!!!! 7mm ultra magnum - the calibre to use for mountain sheep etc hunting at very long range with plenty of knock down pic on right....7mm rum.........30.06.........223 300winmag is about the only other real choice in my mind a look at a ballistics chart will tell the truth real quick Ammo is NOT CHEAP for either

electric-amish | 09-09-2008 10:40 PM
Re: long range rifle question Quote:
Originally Posted by TTAZZMAN (Post 1280883) Ditto!!!! 7mm ultra magnum - the calibre to use for mountain sheep etc hunting at very long range with plenty of knock down pic on right....7mm rum.........30.06.........223 300winmag is about the only other real choice in my mind a look at a ballistics chart will tell the truth real quick Ammo is NOT CHEAP for either
Thats a big rifle. I don't know if I would enjoy shooting that 40 rounds at a session. Its beautiful though. E-A

mick silver | 09-09-2008 10:45 PM
Re: long range rifle question dam ttazzman your gun look just like mine color of stock an all , one bad ass gun

TTAZZMAN | 09-09-2008 10:52 PM
Re: long range rifle question Quote:
Originally Posted by electric-amish (Post 1280924) Thats a big rifle. I don't know if I would enjoy shooting that 40 rounds at a session. Its beautiful though. E-A
its not a gun you take to the range and go thru a few boxes messing around with it for sure your shoulder and your pocketbook ache but its the right gun for those long shots in the mountains Long-Range Trajectory Cartridge .......................... Type Bullet ....... 100 150 200 250 300 ..400... 500 energy@500 308 ...... Premier� Scirocco™ Bonded 150 SSB 1.8 1.6 zero -3.1 -7.8 -22.7 -46.0 1156 7mm rum Premier� Scirocco™ Bonded 150 SSB 1.8 2.2 1.6 zero -2.6 -11.4 -25.3 1979 intresting fact...the 7mm rum has as much energy at 500yrds as the 308 has at 200yds Mick probably is the same gun its a rem 700 that has been engraved

917601 | 09-10-2008 12:35 AM
Re: long range rifle question Stick with a .30 cal. .308 our US and NATO round insures an endless supply should a gun or ammunition grab take place.30.06,300 HH,300 Mag, etc can all be reloaded with USGI pulled bullets and powder provided you have saved the brass. Largest selection of bullets in .30 cal also. Think shortages-how many 7mm and other oddball (but good performing) calibers are easily found? Small numbers limited to only dedicated shooters.Be sure to get a set of dies ,cheap press and learn how to RELOAD your own.Do not forget to buy many primers, those are the only weak link in supply.

wallew | 09-10-2008 01:46 AM
Re: long range rifle question I'm VERY disappointed. NO ONE MENTIONED 7.62x54R. Ammo is WAY CHEAP. You can pick up a Mosin Nagant for less than $200 and a case of 1200 rounds of ammo for around $250 shipped. If you wanted to 'step up', consider the FPK/PSL/Romak 3. Brand new from Cugir factory for around $800 shipped. Perhaps a bit less. Two ten round mags. Correct Russian scope that's graduated out to 1000 meters. I can't see that far WITH glass, so it's kind of a non-sequitar for me. But if you got the eyes, these rifles WILL do it. They are doing it 'in theater' in the Sand. On BOTH SIDES. And that 7.62x54R is a great round at an extremely good price. For around $400 you could have a nice Mosin Nagant AND 1200 rounds of ammo. For a little above $1000 you could have a new FPK/PSL/Romak 3 w/scope and two mags and 1200 rounds of yellow tip ammo. Can't get much better. It WILL beat your shoulder to death in the Nagant, but the FPK isn't too bad.

Prometheus | 09-10-2008 02:00 AM
Re: long range rifle question Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 1281232) I'm VERY disappointed. NO ONE MENTIONED 7.62x54R. Ammo is WAY CHEAP. You can pick up a Mosin Nagant for less than $200 and a case of 1200 rounds of ammo for around $250 shipped.
Right now 91/30's are 69 bucks each from aimsurplus in excellent condition. If you are looking for a 500 yard rifle, you'll want the longer barrel on them over the M44 carbine version. If you REALLY want a tack driver and a heavy hitter a Swiss K-31 is 199 and shoots a very stout 7.5mm A competent shooter will shoot MOA or subMOA with the surplus match GP11 ammo. Ammo is way up in price, close to 50 cents a round, but any hunting ammo is that high anyway.

jrog100 | 09-10-2008 09:33 AM
Re: long range rifle question Quote:
Originally Posted by electric-amish (Post 1280626) I'm lppking for something that I can hunt with--Deer and Elk and a rifle that I can shoot targets with sub MOA--Long range targets at 500 yds but mostly targets at 100yds I don't know if there is a Rifle that can do both well. I think I'd get it in .308 Any suggestions E-A
Probably not one out of the box but a Ruger Hawkeye or Remingtion 700 will do it with some minor tweeking, glass bedding and a trigger job.

TTAZZMAN | 09-10-2008 06:14 PM
Re: long range rifle question the hardest criteria in his selection process is the hunting @500yds... take that out of the equation and many guns and calibers will work very well but 308s and even my fav 30-06 and other similar ammo really arnt effective ballistcly and energy wise for 500yd deer and elk hunting etc. move that 500yds down to 300yds then most of these standard millitary and hunting cartriges will work and be presise in a good gun. and yes I agree with the 30cal concept everything i hunt under 300yds i use 30cal.......down to varmits which i use 223s and 204s Just my humble opinion and experience

917601 | 09-11-2008 12:33 AM
Re: long range rifle question 7.62X54 and many others fine-but the next gun control move is through AMMUNITION-especially IMPORTED Ammo. Imports right now are being curtailed, which means you have to stock up now.Go with what our military and police carry- .223, .308 and numerous pistol calibers. Most National Guard units have their ammo stored in police stations and must go pick up the ammo from stations when going to the ranges for practice or alert.Their weapons and ammunition are stored separately and apart.Hmmmmmm.....

teedub31 | 09-11-2008 01:23 PM
Re: long range rifle question I am not saying that it cannot be done by a few individuals, but lets be realistic, the vast majority of us have no business shooting 500 yards away. And lets also be real and admit that the few that can do it with consistency are most likely doing it from a bench not a rock or log out in the bush. At 500 yards, all you are really doing is giving your advisary warning as the dust flies at his feet in my opinion.

mick silver | 09-11-2008 01:30 PM
Re: long range rifle question it hard to find a place to shoot that far they days , most ranges or not that big , i have a farm , it not clear out for a shoot that long

HiHoSilver64 | 09-20-2008 10:45 PM
Re: long range rifle question If you're thinking what I'm thinking then you want a practical tactical rifle. There is good reason the military uses .308 all the way out to 800 yards plus. .308 is an ok fine big game round out to shorter ranges. http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/700pltrtws.htm http://www.snipercentral.com/m700p.htm This rifle handles well and doesn't have that barrel end heavy feel with just a 20" barrel. Your long range accuracy will suffer with this due to velocity loss from the short barrel and the fact the rounds will go subsonic earlier than with a 22" or 24". This rifle will struggle with shots much past 800 yards or so due to the shorter barrel. I have the older 5 round detachable box mag style. Sadly the rifle sits unfired and with no optics on it. All my funds are tied up in PM's for now. There is strong case for 300 Win mag or even 7mm Mag or even 50 cal on the extreme end. Just like with handguns 9mm vs. 40 S&W or 45 acp. I'd rather have someone own a .308 and practice enough with it since it's cheaper to run than have a dusty 300 mag that sits because of cost or pain of recoil. Also muzzle flash is a factor. Magnums have more flash and reprt that might cause those nasty deer or coyotes to return fire on your position. ;) Less recoil = less flinching as well become proficient with bullet drop and possibly get one of those 15 MOA forward slop bases to compensate for drop. Get a Leupold M3, and a mildot master and all the tactical guru stuff and you will be good to go. ___________________ Savage made a fairly light weight Scout rifle in .308 years ago. It can be ordered from the custom shop. Recoil is nastier since it's light weight, it has iron sights on it for back up and has a forward eye relief scope mount on it. http://www.steyrscout.org/savscout.htm

gangsta99 | 09-20-2008 10:53 PM
Re: long range rifle question Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 1281241) Right now 91/30's are 69 bucks each from aimsurplus in excellent condition. If you are looking for a 500 yard rifle, you'll want the longer barrel on them over the M44 carbine version. If you REALLY want a tack driver and a heavy hitter a Swiss K-31 is 199 and shoots a very stout 7.5mm A competent shooter will shoot MOA or subMOA with the surplus match GP11 ammo. Ammo is way up in price, close to 50 cents a round, but any hunting ammo is that high anyway.
I have to pick up a bunch more ammo from AIM in the next week and I am gonna pick one of these up since it seems like a good price. I will pick a few hundred rounds up for it also. Anyone ever used one of these surplus rifles? Are they usually pretty reliable and accurate? Gonna get me something in .308 probably in December or January. I am glad I found this site, has opened my eyes and I will be fully prepped for whats to come.

eat_beef | 09-21-2008 04:50 PM
Re: long range rifle question Quote:
Originally Posted by electric-amish (Post 1280820) Hunting probebly less than 300. Targets out to 500. I want maybe a Remington bolt or Browning A-Bolt-- I love that 60 degree throw. Thanks E-A
Ditch the Abolt idea. The triggers stink, the best way to improve the trigger pull is to sell it and buy a M700.:aetsch: For hunting to 300 and targets farther go with the .308. Buy a pile of milsurp for salting away and expiriment with some of the fancy hunting bullets. Remember you're going to need to spend about as much on the glass as you do on the rifle. It never ends.:bear_w00t:

electric-amish | 09-21-2008 07:31 PM
Re: long range rifle question Quote:
Originally Posted by eat_beef (Post 1304640) Ditch the Abolt idea. The triggers stink, the best way to improve the trigger pull is to sell it and buy a M700.:aetsch: For hunting to 300 and targets farther go with the .308. Buy a pile of milsurp for salting away and expiriment with some of the fancy hunting bullets. Remember you're going to need to spend about as much on the glass as you do on the rifle. It never ends.:bear_w00t:
I have to say there are more ideas than wallet. I will probebly go with the .308--ease of reloading 700s are shooters but the bolts seem like they take for ever to open and reclose.. Practice could help with that. Thanks all for the imput ---Especially Wallew--I would have never given the Eastern Rifles a look without you suggestion. I like the Remington VTR700 Varmit Tacticle Rifle----The triangle barrel just seems to make it intreaging as do the three cuts for a muzzel braek. Thanks allhttp://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...uzzlebreak.jpg E-A

eat_beef | 09-21-2008 11:03 PM
Re: long range rifle question Avoid the muzzle break like the plague. You don't really need it with a full sized rifle in 308, and it's a pain in the ear to hunt with.:wink:

CyberGold | 09-21-2008 11:53 PM
Re: long range rifle question You might want to look at the FN, Sig and Styre brands also.

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