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electric-amish | 02-06-2009 09:35 AM
To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much The Older Folks still remember a little to clearly maybe. Guns to Be Banned for Elderly Staff Reports United Press International Washington Deputy Attorney General Designate David Ogden is circulating a draft of an executive order in which, among other things, firearms possession would be severely limited to people over 60. An assistant to Ogden told us, "It appears that in these changing times, it is no longer necessary to allow the elderly to be armed. With all of their physical ailments and increasing senility, to leave them in control of a deadly weapon would be ludicrous." While the Executive Order may sound too powerful, experts in Constitutional law state that it is not actually un-Constitutional. "It's a question of wording." states Columbia Law Professor, Dr. John Braxton. "The Constitution forbids the Congress, that is, the legislative branch, from passing any laws infringing on gun ownership. The executive branch is not included in this proviso. As long as the Congress doesn't get involved, it's technically a non-issue." The Justice Department was tossing the idea of a gun ban for seniors during the Carter and Clinton Administration, but public opinion stopped these initiatives. Now, the Obama White House believes differently. An unnamed aide close to Ogden agreed to talk on the condition of anonymity. "Clinton and Carter didn't have as much of a mandate as President Obama. They were both Southerners, and the Second Amendment was sacrosanct to their constituents. However, President Obama comes from a new sort of politics, where divisive issues like firearms do not apply to him." "Quite frankly, it's a shame that no one has had the good conscience to have done this already. It's a simple process, and the majority of the American people will understand it and follow the law." The enforcement mechanism for this particular executive order has not been published. It is likely that the confiscation of weapons will be similar to Great Britain's handgun ban, in which citizens willingly gave the weapons to police. It is expected that the executive order will be given around July 1, when senior-related gun deaths reach their peaks. The aide to Ogden stated: "For eight years you see the rolling back of regulation, and crime has skyrocketed. In fact, in Massachusetts alone, murders have risen 50% since 2002. Armed robbery has also risen dramatically. With such circumstances, we must act boldly." E-A

chad | 02-06-2009 09:37 AM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much what's interesting is that i would bet 80% of the firearms in this country are owned by people over 60. young people don't own very many guns. almost nobody my age has them.

electric-amish | 02-06-2009 09:41 AM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much Quote:
Originally Posted by chad (Post 1553343) what's interesting is that i would bet 80% of the firearms in this country are owned by people over 60. young people don't own very many guns. almost nobody my age has them.
Very good point. This could be a back door attempt to clear the decks. E-A

chad | 02-06-2009 09:45 AM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much i'd say it is. almost everyone around here over 60 has at least a deer rifle, probably a 12 guage, and maybe a .22 for plinking. it's like owner a hammer and screwdriver around where i'm at. standard tools. the young people i know tend to have 1 firearm if they even have one at all. hunting and shooting in general does not seem to be as popular with the younger crowd. i haven't hunted or done anything with people my age in at least 10 years. all my gun buddies are in their 50s and 60s. this is a very easy way to clear the deck of the majority of firearms IMHO.

born_cross_eyed | 02-06-2009 09:49 AM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much No way this is a real article. It's got the UPI byline but it's not on their website...only a couple of blogs as far as I can tell. The Obama administration is a big enough threat to the second amendment without having to pass on bogus information.

Shoden | 02-06-2009 11:12 AM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much Quote:
Originally Posted by born_cross_eyed (Post 1553364) No way this is a real article. It's got the UPI byline but it's not on their website...only a couple of blogs as far as I can tell. The Obama administration is a big enough threat to the second amendment without having to pass on bogus information.
I've got to agree. Reading that article, I was almost immediately asking myself if it was satire. It sounds like something you'd read on The Onion. At least, I hope it's not real.

Victor | 02-06-2009 11:18 AM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much Quote:
Originally Posted by chad (Post 1553343) what's interesting is that i would bet 80% of the firearms in this country are owned by people over 60. young people don't own very many guns. almost nobody my age has them.
80%???? Come on now......

Abouthadit | 02-06-2009 11:19 AM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much This could be a trial balloon to get the sheep ready for the move. I am over 60 and they can get my guns after they get my ammo, one projectile at a time. If/when they refuse to renew my CCL then I will become an outlaw. USMC Da Nang 69-70

Victor | 02-06-2009 11:21 AM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much Quote:
Originally Posted by electric-amish (Post 1553338) The Older Folks still remember a little to clearly maybe. Guns to Be Banned for Elderly Staff Reports United Press International Washington Deputy Attorney General Designate David Ogden is circulating a draft of an executive order in which, among other things, firearms possession would be severely limited to people over 60. An assistant to Ogden told us, "It appears that in these changing times, it is no longer necessary to allow the elderly to be armed. With all of their physical ailments and increasing senility, to leave them in control of a deadly weapon would be ludicrous." While the Executive Order may sound too powerful, experts in Constitutional law state that it is not actually un-Constitutional. "It's a question of wording." states Columbia Law Professor, Dr. John Braxton. "The Constitution forbids the Congress, that is, the legislative branch, from passing any laws infringing on gun ownership. The executive branch is not included in this proviso. As long as the Congress doesn't get involved, it's technically a non-issue." The Justice Department was tossing the idea of a gun ban for seniors during the Carter and Clinton Administration, but public opinion stopped these initiatives. Now, the Obama White House believes differently. An unnamed aide close to Ogden agreed to talk on the condition of anonymity. "Clinton and Carter didn't have as much of a mandate as President Obama. They were both Southerners, and the Second Amendment was sacrosanct to their constituents. However, President Obama comes from a new sort of politics, where divisive issues like firearms do not apply to him." "Quite frankly, it's a shame that no one has had the good conscience to have done this already. It's a simple process, and the majority of the American people will understand it and follow the law." The enforcement mechanism for this particular executive order has not been published. It is likely that the confiscation of weapons will be similar to Great Britain's handgun ban, in which citizens willingly gave the weapons to police. It is expected that the executive order will be given around July 1, when senior-related gun deaths reach their peaks. The aide to Ogden stated: "For eight years you see the rolling back of regulation, and crime has skyrocketed. In fact, in Massachusetts alone, murders have risen 50% since 2002. Armed robbery has also risen dramatically. With such circumstances, we must act boldly." E-A
Got a link for this?

Heimdhal | 02-06-2009 11:25 AM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much "An assistant to Ogden told us, 'It appears that in these changing times, it is no longer necessary to allow the elderly to be armed...'" Notice that key word in there. THey are only ALLOWING people, or the elderly, to own guns as they see fit. I was sure that the constitution protected our RIGHT to have them, regardless of what anyone says. When the F**k are we going to wake up and stop this shit? When are we gonna stop bitching about it on the internet, get up and use these things we are only 'allowed' to have to take back what is rightfully ours, that we so unwittingly gave away? We need to make them respect and fear US again.

BigJosh | 02-06-2009 11:32 AM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much Quote:
"Clinton and Carter didn't have as much of a mandate as President Obama. They were both Southerners, and the Second Amendment was sacrosanct to their constituents. However, President Obama comes from a new sort of politics, where divisive issues like firearms do not apply to him."
Makes me sick. "New sort of politics". 'scuse me while I run to the bathroom. :banghead:

The Argent Dragon | 02-06-2009 11:40 AM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much Too young to own a gun Too old to own a gun Too mentally ill to own a gun Too conservative to own a gun Too liberal to own a gun Too black, white, brown, or yellow to own a gun Too freakin' stupid to own a gun Too poor to own a gun **WHERE does this shyte end ?!?!? :banghead:

igorthesmall | 02-06-2009 11:42 AM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much Guys this is satire, its not a real article.

SLV>GLD | 02-06-2009 11:44 AM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much AD You forgot: Has too many guns to be considered safe to own guns.

mayhem | 02-06-2009 12:17 PM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much E-A you've been here long enough to know not to start a topic without a creditable link. Without that no-one should pass this info on, or repeat it to others.

flash91 | 02-06-2009 12:35 PM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much First, when did 60 become too old to handle a gun? And second, when I turn 65 and my SocSec that I paid for isn't there, I'll be needing that gun.

S_Goldberg | 02-06-2009 01:18 PM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much THIS IS NOT REAL Stop wasting time and energy on fake gun control and focus ont he real attempts.

End of Hope | 02-06-2009 01:50 PM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much Without a link, I will assume this is a sick joke.

End of Hope | 02-06-2009 01:51 PM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much Quote:
Originally Posted by flash91 (Post 1553785) And second, when I turn 65 and my SocSec that I paid for isn't there, I'll be needing that gun.
Your electric scooter or wheelchair loaded with explosives will work just fine. :biggrin:

flash91 | 02-06-2009 04:46 PM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much Quote:
Originally Posted by End of Hope (Post 1553937) Your electric scooter or wheelchair loaded with explosives will work just fine. :biggrin:
Q: what's the hardest part of a cripple? A: the wheelchair! (Thank you, I will be picking on the handicapped and minorities all week. Try the Veal!)

Ag_man | 02-06-2009 05:23 PM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor (Post 1553561) 80%???? Come on now......
I dunno. On a per-capita basis, I don't think young people hunt as much as people over 60.

Twisted Avatar | 02-06-2009 06:52 PM
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Keyboard | 02-06-2009 06:55 PM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much Quote:
Originally Posted by igorthesmall (Post 1553633) Guys this is satire, its not a real article.
A sad joke too. Older guys, especially WWII Vets, are known to immediately fight back during mugging attempts. No way will male geezers surrender their guns. No way.

JJ_ | 02-07-2009 11:42 AM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1554622) ........................
:4_1_72: Love that one TA.. Havn't seen that one. This has gotta be a sick joke..... right? who wrote this? LINK?

mayhem | 02-07-2009 11:49 AM
Re: To Old to own a Gun---Or maybe your eyes have seen to much This article appears to have come from http://talkflyfishing.com/index.php?showtopic=19049 which is a forum called "Talk Fly Fishing". Disclaimer from poster. Quote:
First I need to say I have heard this reported 2 different times now. Second I do not want to start a political post. Third this may be satire Im not totally sure. But for thoes of you who enjoy firearms and for thoes or you who love the constitution this is something you may want to keep an eye on. I figured that the thought of non hunting weapons getting heat would be eminent but a total removal of guns form citizens in any form is sad. I know some really good safe shooters over 60.
No link there either. I call http://www.the3006cafe.org/Smileys/default/bsflag.gif

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