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SilverCity | 07-02-2009 05:00 PM
Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? 1 Attachment(s) http://www.bedgunsafe.com/ Looks like another answer to the gun/ammo storage problem. I have thought about something like this for years...oh well.

Professur | 07-02-2009 05:02 PM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? Gonna need to buy more than beer and pizza to get your pals to help you move that monster.

Bill843 | 07-02-2009 06:49 PM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? I hadn't seen it, and don't really know anything about it. A couple disadvantages come to my (safe-inexperienced) mind however. First,,,,,,, it's gonna be a darn-high bed height, assuming you have a regular box spring, and then a mattress on top of that. It'll end up like 8-10+ inches higher than a normal bed. Second,,,,, the doors are placed just right for easy prying open. ......... The reason you get a vertical safe is so that you can anchor it in a corner, so that the perpendicular wall will prevent anyone from being able to stick a pry bar inside the doorjamb opposite the hinge. With this (bed-safe) sort of arrangement, there doesn't seem to be any way to prevent the doors from being easily attacked with a pry bar. -end-

Iptuous | 07-02-2009 06:56 PM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? I thought this thread was going to be about this: http://www.qsleeper.com/ http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/62...0.494x457.jpeg Perhaps the two ideas need to be combined....

SilverCity | 07-02-2009 07:07 PM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill843 (Post 1798314) I hadn't seen it, and don't really know anything about it. A couple disadvantages come to my (safe-inexperienced) mind however. First,,,,,,, it's gonna be a darn-high bed height, assuming you have a regular box spring, and then a mattress on top of that. It'll end up like 8-10+ inches higher than a normal bed. Second,,,,, the doors are placed just right for easy prying open. ......... The reason you get a vertical safe is so that you can anchor it in a corner, so that the perpendicular wall will prevent anyone from being able to stick a pry bar inside the doorjamb opposite the hinge. With this (bed-safe) sort of arrangement, there doesn't seem to be any way to prevent the doors from being easily attacked with a pry bar. -end-
Looks like they use the mattress only without box springs... I think the idea is it's hidden from sight, which is an advantage to an exposed vertical one. Although home burglars won't necessarily be carrying a long, heavy duty pry bar capable of opening a safe door. Or an oxyacetylene torch or heavy cold chisel and sledge hammer.

still afloat | 07-02-2009 07:13 PM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? Isn't part of a good safe setup , Concealment ? Isn't under the mattress the first place people hide things ? I think the mattress is the first hiding place boys learn when hiding their porn aka sears catalog now replaced by victoria secrets catalog . Isn't the mattress one of the first places a thief looks for money and other things of value ?

SilverCity | 07-02-2009 07:18 PM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? Quote:
Originally Posted by still afloat (Post 1798354) Isn't part of a good safe setup , Concealment ? Isn't under the mattress the first place people hide things ? I think the mattress is the first hiding place boys learn when hiding their porn aka sears catalog now replaced by victoria secrets catalog . Isn't the mattress one of the first places a thief looks for money and other things of value ?
Still, how will they get it open without the above mentioned tools and/or equipment?

meatman | 07-02-2009 07:20 PM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? seen the bed safe last time it was posted on here 2 weeks ago

I am me, I am free | 07-02-2009 09:26 PM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1798345) Looks like they use the mattress only without box springs... .
Box springs are worthless and just something else for the mattress stores to sell you. There are no such things as box springs in Europe for instance.

sirgonzo420 | 07-02-2009 09:42 PM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1798565) Box springs are worthless and just something else for the mattress stores to sell you. There are no such things as box springs in Europe for instance.
Not that Europeans are any sort of role model.... .

I am me, I am free | 07-02-2009 09:47 PM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? Quote:
Originally Posted by sirgonzo420 (Post 1798597) Not that Europeans are any sort of role model....
Just saying only stupid American consumers get conned into buying box springs where there's absolutely no need for them.

morganchaser | 07-02-2009 09:50 PM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1798363) Still, how will they get it open without the above mentioned tools and/or equipment?
They sit in your closet/bathroom with the chef's knife they pulled from your knife drawer and wait for you to come home and take a piss. BTW: those tools are shit for opening safes. Right up there with an angle grinder.(actually: they prybar is good for rolling the safe/getting rollers underneath it.) This is how you open safe's if you don't bring the combination with you: http://goldismoney.info/forums/showp...94&postcount=7 The first things monkeys who bring tools like that to a safe job do is attack the hinges and smack the dial off with a hammer. Because, you know: hidden behind every safe dial is a big button that says: "EMERGENCY UNLOCK" After they squint their eyes and scratch their head looking at a brass spindle for a couple seconds, they may even take a punch and hammer on the spindle for awhile and maybe set off the backplate relocker.(I was working on an old fire safe the other month that this actually would have worked on.) More likely: they'll just realize "that was retarded" and then proceed to cut off the hinges with an angle grinder. When that fails to accomplish anything:(other than maybe starting a fire) they use a crowbar/screwdriver and a splitting wedge on the top corner of the door(on square door safes) and proceed to either peel off the sheet metal covering the fire brick on a fire safe, or to bend the shit out of the door with their sledge hammer, maybe bend the bolts a little bit.(if they're a total baboon they may hit the front of the safe with a hammer a couple times)<-Which totally ruins the fire protection btw. If it's a security safe it will probably end in them getting cut on the sharp metal/smashing their hand with a sledgehammer. If they bleed: the CSI watching idiots will somehow conclude that DNA evidence is something that is collected on residential burglarys(probably will be, but are they going to send it to a lab without a suspect?: doubtful) Their reaction to this is unpredictable, and may include using the mentioned chef's knife to cut that patch out of your carpet/run to your bathroom and get something to stop the bleeding. Possibly dripping blood as they go. They may even try washing their hand in the sink getting fingerprints all over the faucet. I've heard of cases just making an absolute mess with crap they find like bleach and handsoap, ruining the carpet, and they may even resort to arson. Once they realize that they aren't going to get in: they'll either try to take the safe with them: (if the place has been cased) or give up.(don't know when you're getting back.) The only reason they would be prepared for a safe would be if a friend told them, you have the tools in your garage, or they've seen it personally. Burglars don't expect safes, and when they find them: they act like idiots. If they're smart and unprepared they leave them alone if they can't take it with them. If they are violent and unprepared: they hold a knife to your throat and then kill you after you open it because: "they don't want any witnesses."(Ironically escalating the investigation way beyond a simple aggravated burglary/kidnapping/assault with a deadly weapon in to 1st degree murder where they WILL go CSI on their ass, which is much more dangerous than "witnesses." Safe crackers look for safes and once they know where one is: they bring the proper tools for the job. if they're stupid: this means they take an OxyAcetylene rig to a businesses safe. If they're smart, this means they take a drill and whatever safe specific tools are necessary for the job.

SilverCity | 07-02-2009 10:07 PM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? A friend's gun store safe was broken into rather handily. Seems the thieves broke into a next door jewelry shop and heisted the acetylene torch used by the jewelers. Then they proceeded to cut the bars off the bathroom window and crawled into the store. They then cut the top of the safe open with the torch, and emptied the contents...several of his personal rifles and handguns. He actually got some of them back about a year later... I watched a demo where 2 "hacks" successfully opened a gun safe with prybars, wedges, and sledges in under 10 minutes. Nothing is fool proof folks. But pray tell, where do you think it's safer to keep an extensive gun collection? Where do you keep yours?

Tallships | 07-02-2009 10:30 PM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? I dont know if its big enough for me and the girls... This is just the west wing: http://www.amiramor.com/mainSite/ima...ts/0305/01.jpg Might have to order a custom one.

SilverCity | 07-02-2009 11:07 PM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? Yikes. If thieves broke in, I think they would be distracted enough to forget why they came. :wink:

sirgonzo420 | 07-02-2009 11:49 PM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1798604) Just saying only stupid American consumers get conned into buying box springs where there's absolutely no need for them.
Yeah, you're right... http://untitled00.files.wordpress.co...ewinder_51.jpg

still afloat | 07-02-2009 11:49 PM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1798363) Still, how will they get it open without the above mentioned tools and/or equipment?
Have you ever seen the tv show "To Catch a Thief" on discovery channel ? These guys can pull up to a house with a semi truck and trailer , enter the house , load the trailer with the cars in the garage , trash the house , take everything of value including safes and exit the house in just a matter of a few min. 2 guys and a truck in a residential area .Neighbors never pay any attention or question them . Check out the show if you ever get a chance and you will be amazed at what can be done by someone that knows what they are doing .Sure bubba that's just out to hit a house for pocket change to buy a dime bag wont be prepared or have a clue as to what to do with a safe , but most houses that are broken into will get hit a second time .Might just come prepared for the safe they found the first trip.

SilverCity | 07-03-2009 12:07 AM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? If that is the case, don't wait for their return,...move your stuff to a new location. Leave the old safe empty, and install a motion activated video camera. Watch the fun when they go through all that work to find an EMPTY safe. :banghead: Might leave a little note inside: SMILE, YOU'RE ON CAMERA! :ok:

morganchaser | 07-03-2009 12:14 AM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1798641) A friend's gun store safe was broken into rather handily. Seems the thieves broke into a next door jewelry shop and heisted the acetylene torch used by the jewelers. Then they proceeded to cut the bars off the bathroom window and crawled into the store. They then cut the top of the safe open with the torch, and emptied the contents...several of his personal rifles and handguns. He actually got some of them back about a year later... I watched a demo where 2 "hacks" successfully opened a gun safe with prybars, wedges, and sledges in under 10 minutes. Nothing is fool proof folks. But pray tell, where do you think it's safer to keep an extensive gun collection? Where do you keep yours?
I like this bed safe actually. If I had to leave $100,000 in a war zone and couldn't bury it or afford a jewelers safe, I'd go with "city safe." Their reinforced concrete safe's are ridiculously secure, and more importantly: easy to move/install. The only successful penetration with shaped charges, diesel saws with abbrasive/diamond blades, ect. Was a .50BMG slap round. I don't know what they mix in to their concrete but I'm impressed. I'm probably going to order a sample of the stuff one of these days just to see how much abuse it can take. A lot of modern composite/ceramic safes are supposed to be incredibly torch/drill/and abbrassive resistant. I personally just bury valuables pirate style, and use safe's for tamper evidence. I recommend a good alarm system using motion sensing cameras, buried coaxial perimeter alarm, and fiber optics whenever possible. http://www.fiber-fence.com/perimeter_protection.asp Firearms aren't cost effective to secure so I'd go with deep storage of firearms that don't get used(investment) and the users and decorations should be in a private room with no visitors, and insured. You have to manage your priorities as well. If you don't want the perps getting use from the guns/profit: there are custom solutions that could be utilized including locks fitted to the bore/chamber of the weapon/ clamped on to the reciever. If you want the guns recovered: the best means is to do something like leave a laptop, a cell phone, and a credit card in the safe with the guns. DDNS service on the laptop. GPS tracking on the cell phone. And hope they're dumb enough to use the credit card. From there it's a matter of tracking them to their residence via CCTV, IP, or GPS and then cracking skulls. A GPS tracker could also be hidden in devices such as Gaming consoles. Televisions. Desktop Computers. http://www.google.com/search?client=...utf-8&oe=utf-8 I don't pretend to know any cheap easy solutions, however I know what doesn't work, and that's fire safe's, locks, and consumer grade alarm systems. Cost effective security is an art and I'm still in the market for a good solution that doesn't cost too much myself. Financially, convienence, and otherwise. I've lost sight of what is practical because I know too many vulnerabilities in the practical solutions to trust them. This has reduced me to paranoia. If it makes anyone feel any better: I don't have a gun safe at all. I don't even have a gun cabinet. Only security I have is more friends than enemies and a reputation as an insane pain in the ass. If someone doesn't buy in to that, I'm actually pretty vulnerable cause I'm too much of a perfectionist so I never settle on ANY solution. Except my computers. Those are fort knox'ed out ATM. Truecrypt + carbon fiber FTW.

still afloat | 07-03-2009 12:24 AM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1798827) If that is the case, then you move your safe to a new location. And install a motion activated video camera in the old location.
Sounds good but how many people have the floor plan that allows for a queen size bed to be moved from room to room . Floor plan aside , how many houses other than those built on a slab have the floor support to have that much weight , 1300 lbs + the weight of as many as 32 rifles and 70 hand guns and 2 adults bouncing up and down 3, if you happen to be a real stud .

Dave Thomas | 07-03-2009 12:27 AM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? I kinda like the loving, "I'm gonna hump you on my bed of FALs" smirk that one guy's got in the photo. If we could all pull off the same thing we'd be in there like swimwear. It's all about the upsale.

morganchaser | 07-03-2009 12:29 AM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? Quote:
Originally Posted by still afloat (Post 1798799) Have you ever seen the tv show "To Catch a Thief" on discovery channel ? These guys can pull up to a house with a semi truck and trailer , enter the house , load the trailer with the cars in the garage , trash the house , take everything of value including safes and exit the house in just a matter of a few min. 2 guys and a truck in a residential area .Neighbors never pay any attention or question them . Check out the show if you ever get a chance and you will be amazed at what can be done by someone that knows what they are doing .Sure bubba that's just out to hit a house for pocket change to buy a dime bag wont be prepared or have a clue as to what to do with a safe , but most houses that are broken into will get hit a second time .Might just come prepared for the safe they found the first trip.
I once read a research paper on the psychology of burglars. It was interesting. Apparently: security features viewable from the street/sidewalk are the primary features that deter burglars. (dogs, lighting, Alarm system signs) Once they've chosen a house: they are persistent as shit at making entry and are hesitant to give up. They prefer houses on the corner of an intersection. Most grab a kitchen knife once inside for "protection." Most "psych themselves up" with drug use prior to burglarly. The common gutter trash burglar and the professional thief are two seperate concepts. I have concluded that the second is only worth worrying about if you're paranoid about cops as well. Otherwise: it's just not cost effective to do more than get a CCW, mean dog, and alarm system, and secure your bedroom door against crackheads while you sleep. Everything that you don't use regularly belongs in a safety deposit box or buried, or if you use it regularly: insured and prepared for recovery.(leaving fake serial killer type things like newpaper clippings and a map to dead hookers or something) All stolen products are eventually sold, or transfered to someone unaware that they were stolen. If you can inspire those people to transfer the valuable to the cops/report the person who does know that it was stolen: that's a lead at least. Don't forget that most home invasion's start at the front door. I'm a strong believer in perimeter security. You don't want to wait until they're on top of you to know they're there. If the sound of a shotgun being racked is enough to make a home invader flee, then maybe that makes a better siren on alarm system activation than a buzzer? How much are linear actuators? How about getting under your stair case and suspending weights from the steps to make it sound like someone's walking downstairs? How about a police siren? How about an expensive bottle of liquor that's been poisoned? How about poisoned pain killers?

SilverCity | 07-03-2009 12:29 AM
Re: Y'all Seen The Bed Safe? Years ago, survivalist Mel Tappan recommended a survival gun safe that was buried in the ground. It was encased in 15 cubic feet of special formula concrete that was highly resistant to sledge hammers and jack hammers. Seems the concrete would turn to powder instead of break off in chunks. Took forever to cut through the 'crete, then you had to penetrate the stainless steel casing to get inside. I don't see them advertised anymore...Maybe the owners all died off and the heirs never could get the things open. :no_ma:

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