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oz in sc | 12-08-2008 04:44 PM
'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... http://bobernet.com/blog/assets_c/60...df82d4e5dc.jpg The above rifle was actually considered a machinegun by the BATFE.... http://bobernet.com/blog/assets_c/52...a11a7ddc67.jpg What a sad country this has become when such lunacy is 'the law'... Luckily this has been changed,most likely because the BATFE realised how stupid they would look to everybody.

Twisted Avatar | 12-08-2008 04:49 PM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Wont stop the politicos from jumping on there soap box about Assualt Rifles yada yada yada. T

gangsta99 | 12-08-2008 05:29 PM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... This type of "setup" is practically a machine gun though. Whether a string or a rubberband is used to cause the gun to cycle continuously it will always be viewed as full auto by the BATF. Bullshit that we can not own full auto without paying out the ass, yes, but until the gubberment is changed this will continue to be the lawl.

Maximus | 12-08-2008 05:33 PM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Brilliant!

<SLV> | 12-08-2008 05:35 PM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... "If" the government should ever fall, there would be no BATF, BUT... there will probably be something much worse. You can decide to surrender to it or fight it. Either way we lose.

SLV>GLD | 12-08-2008 05:35 PM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... According to the text of the letter the pictured firearm as well as practically all other semi-auto rifles with a charging handle on the bolt can be "readily restored to shoot automatically" making them all contraband, right?

Twisted Avatar | 12-08-2008 05:47 PM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Quote:
Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1455771) According to the text of the letter the pictured firearm as well as practically all other semi-auto rifles with a charging handle on the bolt can be "readily restored to shoot automatically" making them all contraband, right?
When the seizures begin in earnest that will be one the many planks they use as justification. T

Willie Peter | 12-08-2008 08:52 PM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Quote:
Originally Posted by oz in sc (Post 1455658) http://bobernet.com/blog/assets_c/60...df82d4e5dc.jpg The above rifle was actually considered a machinegun by the BATFE.... http://bobernet.com/blog/assets_c/52...a11a7ddc67.jpg What a sad country this has become when such lunacy is 'the law'... Luckily this has been changed,most likely because the BATFE realised how stupid they would look to everybody.
What if you paid the $200 transfer tax on your piece of string?

SLV>GLD | 12-08-2008 08:57 PM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... It'd be kinda funny to bring that out if/when they came by for their random inspection.

goldgun | 12-08-2008 09:38 PM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Note to self: make sure all shoestrings are in shoes if the ATF shows up.

Brent H | 12-08-2008 10:39 PM
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Pat | 12-08-2008 10:49 PM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Gonna be real tough to suppress that thoughtcrime ...

Lt Dan | 12-09-2008 07:20 AM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Full auto is fun... lots of fun. However, ammo is expensive and bump firing, even from the shoulder is still not as accurate as controlled single rounds. Looks cool and is nice to know the how to, but for anything but fun or extreme battle conditions, it's impractical. Even then, it's not something I'd want to rely on under stress firing conditions. Do I think we should be allowed to own full auto firearms? YES! But then, there are those people I don't think should be allowed to own firearms. Those would be people who've proven to be untrustworthy, (criminals). I'm of the opinion they have given up their right to self protection and should not be allowed to own or have in their possession any type of weapon. This, however is the main reason we do have the type of gun control laws we have is because of the criminal use of firearms. It's always 'restrict the rights' of the honest, law abiding individuals to try to keep the criminals from ownership. Gun control as it is forced on us, doesn't work and never will.

<SLV> | 12-09-2008 12:18 PM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Dan (Post 1456601) Do I think we should be allowed to own full auto firearms? YES! But then, there are those people I don't think should be allowed to own firearms. Those would be people who've proven to be untrustworthy, (criminals). I'm of the opinion they have given up their right to self protection and should not be allowed to own or have in their possession any type of weapon.
I'll disagree for the sake of variety. I believe no "thing" should be illegal to anyone. But ALL actions that injure another individual should be fiercely prosecuted. Let a felon get out of prison and pick up another gun the next day. But the next time he uses it in a crime he gets twice the previous sentence. BTW... I agree that semi-auto is every bit as deadly if not more so. I predict that semiautomatics rifles will be banned together with handguns. After all, the second ammendment is just for hunters, and nobody needs anything other than 3-rounds in a bolt action to go hunting -- just ask the NRA.

Lt Dan | 12-09-2008 05:42 PM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... But! But! But! I think we both know incompetents and criminal elements (morons and idiots) we just as soon not have a right to have any kind of weapon in there possession, not just guns, but for the good of society, to prevent them from harming themselves or others. SLV, there are people running around in society that, although they may not have committed any type of offense, are just not competent to be running around out there. These people shouldn't be out there but they are. I've also thought, at one time, an ex-con should have the right to return to society and be able to own a shotgun or rifle for the purpose of self defense against criminals or for the purpose of hunting. In some cultures that might work. Not to sure about the rehabilitation process in the prison system today. It seems that most of the system today is designed to harden the convict instead of rehabilitate them to return to society and become a changed person.

TTAZZMAN | 12-09-2008 08:54 PM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Quote:
Originally Posted by oz in sc (Post 1455658) http://bobernet.com/blog/assets_c/60...df82d4e5dc.jpg The above rifle was actually considered a machinegun by the BATFE.... http://bobernet.com/blog/assets_c/52...a11a7ddc67.jpg What a sad country this has become when such lunacy is 'the law'... Luckily this has been changed,most likely because the BATFE realised how stupid they would look to everybody.
what has changed?? did they change this??

oz in sc | 12-10-2008 01:03 AM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Yes they reconsidered their position on the string.

WAoG | 12-10-2008 02:09 AM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Dan (Post 1457543) But! But! But! I think we both know incompetents and criminal elements (morons and idiots) we just as soon not have a right to have any kind of weapon in there possession, not just guns, but for the good of society, to prevent them from harming themselves or others. SLV, there are people running around in society that, although they may not have committed any type of offense, are just not competent to be running around out there. These people shouldn't be out there but they are. I've also thought, at one time, an ex-con should have the right to return to society and be able to own a shotgun or rifle for the purpose of self defense against criminals or for the purpose of hunting. In some cultures that might work. Not to sure about the rehabilitation process in the prison system today. It seems that most of the system today is designed to harden the convict instead of rehabilitate them to return to society and become a changed person.
Everything in these Babylonian systems needs to be done away with. The sooner people understand that there is no solutions in the Babylonian systems that can bring a end to the madness. The better off we will be. But you can see just from reading this site how programmed people are to these systems and they want their cake and to eat it also. Satan has people by the balls and he is not letting them go and most like it.

mouse | 12-10-2008 03:52 AM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Rubberband stocks and beltloop strengthening are the new growth industries. Best to get your broccoli now before they outlaw rubberbands. Of course you could get the parts you need and swap them out in the event of disorder, but if you watch Katrina, they will take it from you anyway and then charge you unless you defend yourself

bwelkk | 12-10-2008 06:06 AM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Google "Lightning Link" and then never say or even think of that phrase again.

Lt Dan | 12-10-2008 10:20 AM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Quote:
Originally Posted by WAoG (Post 1458254) Everything in these Babylonian systems needs to be done away with. The sooner people understand that there is no solutions in the Babylonian systems that can bring a end to the madness. The better off we will be. But you can see just from reading this site how programmed people are to these systems and they want their cake and to eat it also. Satan has people by the balls and he is not letting them go and most like it.
Utopia? :36_1_34: While we wait! :36_1_32v: We have to live with corruption all around. :Surrender: Look inside to see the freedom! :10_1_19: Freedom is only available to those who will open up to truth. :MIA: There is no cake here. :signs14: We will not get to eat it here. For now people will sleep. :4_8_4v: There may not be any tomorrow here. :RockOn: :36_3_13:

The Argent Dragon | 12-10-2008 11:41 AM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... http://www.ar15.com/content/products...at/trigger.gif Just get a Tac Trigger or like product or build your own. http://www.fastfire.biz/Triggers/IMAG004.GIF http://www.fastfire.biz/trigger-systems.htm **Verify any devices put on your weapon are BATFE approved. Above are merely recommendations and not reviewed for BATFE regulation compliance.

TTAZZMAN | 12-10-2008 11:22 PM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Quote:
Originally Posted by oz in sc (Post 1458211) Yes they reconsidered their position on the string.
to me it reads that it was classified as a machinegun in 1996 and they were upholding and confirming that position again in 2004

oz in sc | 12-11-2008 09:56 AM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... They later clarified their position with another letter... http://bobernet.com/blog/assets_c/55...92f6ca0df9.jpg

JJ_ | 12-11-2008 10:19 AM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1458819) http://www.ar15.com/content/products...at/trigger.gif Just get a Tac Trigger or like product or build your own. http://www.fastfire.biz/Triggers/IMAG004.GIF http://www.fastfire.biz/trigger-systems.htm **Verify any devices put on your weapon are BATFE approved. Above are merely recommendations and not reviewed for BATFE regulation compliance.
I'm trying to figure out how that thing works...:stupido2: ...from an academic standpoint:embarasse

TTAZZMAN | 12-12-2008 12:12 AM
Re: 'Machinegun' on a shoestring.... Quote:
Originally Posted by oz in sc (Post 1460572) They later clarified their position with another letter... http://bobernet.com/blog/assets_c/55...92f6ca0df9.jpg
Thank you for posting that

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