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Bx3 | 04-05-2009 11:48 AM
Why I Carry.... ....and why everyone should carry. A friend just sent me this e-mail, sorry no links. It only confirms my own personal experiences and solidifies why I carry 24/7. http://http://goldismoney.info/forum...d.php?t=337594 This from our good friend with 30+ years in Law Enforcement, John Farnam: 25 Mar 2009 Lessons from calamity. This from a friend in Virginia : This past Sunday, at 5:00 AM , a young couple was jogging together, as they regularly did, in the local neighborhood where they lived, only a few miles from where I live. Both were precipitously attacked by multiple criminals. The man was murdered (beaten to death), and the woman is in the hospital, in critical condition. Police have no leads, nor significant evidence to reveal the identity of the attackers. The woman may recover enough to provide information. She may not! The attackers, two or three, emerged from a parked car and used baseball bats or similar blunt instruments. Robbery was the apparent motive, at least at the beginning. These facts have emerged: (1) Both victims were CCW-permit holders, but neither was armed at the time and place of the fatal attack. (2) The man was a decorated Special Forces Soldier (retired), trained in hand-to-hand fighting. (3) The attack took place in broad-daylight, in a quiet, upscale residential community. The community is stunned, of course. Police are doing the best they can but cases where attackers and victims don't know each other and have no obvious connection are difficult to solve." Lessons: (1) We call them "side-arms" for a reason. At least one needs to be "at your side" all the times! Aspire to be a competent, self-contained, Independent Operator and expect neither support nor understanding from naive sheeple. (2) Don't arbitrarily divide your life into "safe" and "dangerous" parts, places or activities. Fate may neglect to celebrate your dear fantasy! I know people who have CCW-permits but don't carry and they're ever-ready to treat me to a nauseating dissertation of their idiotic excuses. The foregoing exposes the lethal fallacy of such self-deceptive thinking. (3) When your spouse (either gender) is squeamish about "the whole gun-thing, help them get over it. You need a partner, not a burden! (4) Be aware of "pattern-behavior." Regularly change-up routines. Don't become predictable. Stalkers will use your predictable routine against you, as was likely the case here. (5) Don't deceive yourself that your martial-arts training/prowess will protect you against heavy odds. No matter how many black-belts you have, against multiple, simultaneous criminals, you will likely not prevail when unarmed. A single dashing hero, casually dispatching several bad guys with glamorous judo-moves is something that happens only in movies! (6) "Police protection" is a contradiction of terms! Don't fill your head with false expectations with regard to actual services police can provide. Police investigators are basically "armed archeologists." We might catch these guys, and we might not. Patrol officers may be there to help you and they may not. We get paid the same either way. Whatever we manage to accomplish after you're dead, will probably be of scant interest to you anyway. /John

Usury | 04-05-2009 12:12 PM
Re: Why I Carry.... No doubt....that's why I like my Ruger LCP. It's small and compact enought hat I can carry it virtually ANYWHERE IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCES WEARING ANY CLOTHING, and do it comfortably. So I do....

mtnman | 04-05-2009 02:54 PM
Re: Why I Carry.... Shamelessly stolen from another web site: Why I carry a gun My favorite anecdote about Bill Jordan goes something like this: Now Ol' Bill, he was a direct man, and a big one at that, so most of the folks he put away were willing to chalk it up to "just business", and leave it at that. Well Bill heard this feller was raisin' a stink about comin' round to get some back at him for, but he didn't think too much of it. A few days later, Bills sittin' out there on his porch, and he's got his trademark combat magnum in his lap. His neighbor walks by and says to bill "See ya got yer pistol there Bill, you 'spectin trouble?", So says Bill "Nope, if I was expeting trouble, I'd have my rifle" I carry a gun whenever it is legal, and not impolite for me to do so. When I am entering the home or place of business of someone I don't know, I will inform them I am armed, and ask them if they would prefer I not carry a gun while there. It's just polite. A lot of people ask me "Why do you carry a gun, do you expect trouble?" No, I carry a gun not because I expect trouble, but because I can. If I was expecting trouble I'd carry a 12ga. More in the extended entry... The practice of carrying a weapon is a clear assertion that I am a man. By that I'm not talking about macho bullshit; By saying I am a man, I mean that I am an adult, responsible for my actions, and willing to accept the consequences of them. When you carry a gun you have in your hands (or on your hip), the ability to end any mans life. This is a massive responsibility, second only to that of raising children. Many people are uncomfortable with that responsiblity. They believe that they can't be trusted with it, and by extension, neither can anyone else. They fall back on saying "the police" or "the government" should take care of that. Someone with special training, and the blessings of the state should be responsible, but not me, or you, or anyone else. I can think of no clearer way of saying "I am immature, and not to be trusted". When I carry a gun, I accept the fact that I may kill someone. I don't ever plan on doing it, I hope it doesn't happen, but it may. I am prepared for this possiblity, and I accept the consequences should it happen. A few months ago, I broke up with a girlfriend over this. She asked me what I would do to someone if they tried to rape her. I told her flat out that I would kill him. No hesitation there at all. She told me later that from that moment, she was afraid of me. I asked her what she would do if someone tried to rape her. She said she wouldnt fight. "What if you had a gun, would you shoot the guy to stop it", no she wouldnt do that. "ok what if I was there and I shot him, would that be OK", no of course not. Finally I asked "What if a cop came along, and he shot the guy would that be ok" well of course, he's a cop. That attitude frankly baffles, and disgusts me, yet there are so many people who hold it. They feel morally superior because they would never "sink to that level". Personally I would consider that pretty clear evidence of moral bankruptcy. The same applies to people who would never fight in a war, but are OK with soldiers and cops defending their rights. Oh, they'll protest, and march in the streets, but actually doing anything? No they're all above that and have disdain for everyone else who isn't, calling us savages, and rednecks, and barbarians etc... I carry a gun because it is my right, and because I am responsible enough to exercise it. I feel nothing but pity or contempt for those who are not.

mtnman | 04-05-2009 02:58 PM
Re: Why I Carry.... More Shamelessly stolen knowledge: Why I carry My old grandpa said to me son, 'there comes a time in every mans life when he stops bustin' knuckles and starts bustin' caps and usually it's when he becomes too old to take an ass whoopin'. I don't carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed. I don't carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place. I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world. I don't carry a gun because I'm evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world. I don't carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government. I don't carry a gun because I'm angry. I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared. I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon. I don't carry a gun because I'm a cowboy. I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy. I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love. I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate. I don't carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me. Police Protection is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves. Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess. Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.

Twisted Avatar | 04-05-2009 03:56 PM
Re: Why I Carry.... That is really sad.......... It just further proves that HARD CHOICES lay ahead for those us who chose to remain LAW ADBIDING citizens. Trying to get a CCW in some States is the start of a really good cop joke when they see the application and take your filing fee money. As I said before Many will be forced (and soon) to issue THERE OWN CCW. I am buying concealment holsters and the related material this week. Get ready. T

tanner12oz | 04-05-2009 09:33 PM
Re: Why I Carry.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx3 (Post 1663631) ....and why everyone should carry. A friend just sent me this e-mail, sorry no links. It only confirms my own personal experiences and solidifies why I carry 24/7. http://http://goldismoney.info/forum...d.php?t=337594 This from our good friend with 30+ years in Law Enforcement, John Farnam: 25 Mar 2009 Lessons from calamity. This from a friend in Virginia : This past Sunday, at 5:00 AM , a young couple was jogging together, as they regularly did, in the local neighborhood where they lived, only a few miles from where I live. Both were precipitously attacked by multiple criminals. The man was murdered (beaten to death), and the woman is in the hospital, in critical condition. Police have no leads, nor significant evidence to reveal the identity of the attackers. The woman may recover enough to provide information. She may not! The attackers, two or three, emerged from a parked car and used baseball bats or similar blunt instruments. Robbery was the apparent motive, at least at the beginning. These facts have emerged: (1) Both victims were CCW-permit holders, but neither was armed at the time and place of the fatal attack. (2) The man was a decorated Special Forces Soldier (retired), trained in hand-to-hand fighting. (3) The attack took place in broad-daylight, in a quiet, upscale residential community. The community is stunned, of course. Police are doing the best they can but cases where attackers and victims don't know each other and have no obvious connection are difficult to solve." Lessons: (1) We call them "side-arms" for a reason. At least one needs to be "at your side" all the times! Aspire to be a competent, self-contained, Independent Operator and expect neither support nor understanding from naive sheeple. (2) Don't arbitrarily divide your life into "safe" and "dangerous" parts, places or activities. Fate may neglect to celebrate your dear fantasy! I know people who have CCW-permits but don't carry and they're ever-ready to treat me to a nauseating dissertation of their idiotic excuses. The foregoing exposes the lethal fallacy of such self-deceptive thinking. (3) When your spouse (either gender) is squeamish about "the whole gun-thing, help them get over it. You need a partner, not a burden! (4) Be aware of "pattern-behavior." Regularly change-up routines. Don't become predictable. Stalkers will use your predictable routine against you, as was likely the case here. (5) Don't deceive yourself that your martial-arts training/prowess will protect you against heavy odds. No matter how many black-belts you have, against multiple, simultaneous criminals, you will likely not prevail when unarmed. A single dashing hero, casually dispatching several bad guys with glamorous judo-moves is something that happens only in movies! (6) "Police protection" is a contradiction of terms! Don't fill your head with false expectations with regard to actual services police can provide. Police investigators are basically "armed archeologists." We might catch these guys, and we might not. Patrol officers may be there to help you and they may not. We get paid the same either way. Whatever we manage to accomplish after you're dead, will probably be of scant interest to you anyway. /John
maybe im wearing the wrong running clothes or im carrying the wrong gun but i have no clue how you could safetly or comfortabley carry a gun while running.....

renegade_01 | 04-06-2009 09:46 AM
Re: Why I Carry.... Quote:
Originally Posted by tanner12oz (Post 1664267) maybe im wearing the wrong running clothes or im carrying the wrong gun but i have no clue how you could safetly or comfortabley carry a gun while running.....
backpack???

Twisted Avatar | 04-06-2009 10:08 AM
Re: Why I Carry.... 2 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by tanner12oz (Post 1664267) maybe im wearing the wrong running clothes or im carrying the wrong gun but i have no clue how you could safetly or comfortabley carry a gun while running.....
Compression belt or body holsters.......

Bx3 | 04-06-2009 10:50 AM
Re: Why I Carry.... Quote:
Originally Posted by tanner12oz (Post 1664267) maybe im wearing the wrong running clothes or im carrying the wrong gun but i have no clue how you could safetly or comfortabley carry a gun while running.....
There are some small fanny packs that when worn on the hip actually work quite well for a sub compact. Believe it or not I actually used to just carry my PM9 in my hand. Not as if I was going to fire but to where my hand covered up the majority of the gun. Not perfect but neither is a base ball bat to the head.

Abouthadit | 04-06-2009 01:01 PM
Re: Why I Carry.... I sometimes wear a Smart Carry but admit I don't run with it. Seems like it would work though. http://smartcarry.com/

voodoo1951 | 04-06-2009 01:10 PM
Re: Why I Carry.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1663897) That is really sad.......... It just further proves that HARD CHOICES lay ahead for those us who chose to remain LAW ADBIDING citizens. Trying to get a CCW in some States is the start of a really good cop joke when they see the application and take your filing fee money. As I said before Many will be forced (and soon) to issue THERE OWN CCW. I am buying concealment holsters and the related material this week. Get ready. T
No permit for ya' TA? :signs14: if thats the case...

CrufflerJJ | 04-06-2009 09:01 PM
Re: Why I Carry.... Quote:
Originally Posted by voodoo1951 (Post 1665195) No permit for ya' TA? :signs14: if thats the case...
Would YOU issue a permit to TA, knowing the sort of person he is???? I dunno - maybe we should put it up for a vote. After all, he is one of them radikul constitushun readin' yahoos.:wink:

Chris_Is_Here | 04-08-2009 05:56 PM
Re: Why I Carry.... Unfortunately, I do not have the luxury of packing heat all the time, as my CCW has a sporting restriction on it (which will be removed when/if I renew it)...of course, how is anyone going to really know where I going or coming from? How do you prove this? Obviously, if I get caught at Fenway Park with a 45 in my pants, that would get me into trouble with the mighty whiteys, but there's a whole lot or gray area here... How many of you carry all the time? If you do, do you have an unrestricted CCW?

NOOB | 04-08-2009 06:51 PM
Re: Why I Carry.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Abouthadit (Post 1665180) I sometimes wear a Smart Carry but admit I don't run with it. Seems like it would work though. http://smartcarry.com/
How do you like it?

Mantokir | 04-08-2009 07:04 PM
Re: Why I Carry.... Quote:
Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1665845) Would YOU issue a permit to TA, knowing the sort of person he is???? I dunno - maybe we should put it up for a vote. After all, he is one of them radikul constitushun readin' yahoos.:wink:
I'll be behind him reloading spent magazines... I have no weapons of my own at the moment.. :-D

JJ_ | 04-08-2009 07:11 PM
Re: Why I Carry.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_Is_Here (Post 1669014) How many of you carry all the time? If you do, do you have an unrestricted CCW?
Except where prohibited by law... But I'm reconsidering that. - Also - For running - Try Thunderwear. http://www.thunderwear.com Works fine w/ sub-compacts while running. Fullsize Pistol - not so much. However - I don't wear it as prescribed - I twist it to strongside. I've bout wore out the elastic on that thing...:bear_rolleyes:

Elvis | 04-08-2009 08:46 PM
Re: Why I Carry.... Get a belly band, follow above example by lowering it to the strongside hip.

RaccoonRiverRadical | 04-08-2009 08:56 PM
Re: Why I Carry.... Good stuff, Mtnman.

Abouthadit | 04-12-2009 10:45 PM
Re: Why I Carry.... Quote:
Originally Posted by NOOB (Post 1669078) How do you like it?
works great for those times when owb holsters may be too "informative". For example, at church or when I visit my grand kids or some neighbors. If I may be somewhere that I may need to remove my outer garment, usually a wind breaker, even if I leave the weapon in the car, they don't need to see a holster. With the smart carry, I dont need to disarm.

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