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The Argent Dragon | 10-21-2008 12:58 PM
Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? Although it might be temporary........GOLD is suckin' quite hard lately. Anyone stocking up on GUNS & Ammo instead ??? ......2-weeks ago I sold off a couple of Gold coins near $900 per oz and got a SIG 556 rifle. Glad I did seeing what's going on right now..........maybe it's GUNS are MONEY ???

JJ_ | 10-21-2008 01:02 PM
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Are GUNS better than GOLD ???
yup... Forrest Gump "and that's alls I got to say about that"

JJ_ | 10-21-2008 01:07 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? Quote:
Originally Posted by gangsta99 (Post 1370460) If I had 6 figures worth of PMs right now, I would sell off half of them and invest that into common guns and ammo like AKs, ARs, Glocks, etc. Get extra high cap mags and be ready come next spring to make a fortune once Obama starts taking our rights away.
Not that I don't think that's a KILLER idea... but, the BATF may not take too kindly to that...http://goldismoney.info/forums/pictu...&pictureid=220 jus sayin:thumb.aspx:

<SLV> | 10-21-2008 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1370467) Not that I don't think that's a KILLER idea... but, the BATF may not take too kindly to that...http://goldismoney.info/forums/pictu...&pictureid=220 jus sayin:thumb.aspx:
Absolutely right. Don't they have some arbitrary number like "6" where if you sell more guns than that in a year you are a "dealer" and better have a license? If you are expecting an AW ban, then buy a stack of AR stripped lowers for $100 each. Should be a good investment. Who knows... maybe when the time comes to sell them our country will be in complete anarchy and the BATF won't even matter.

the toxic avenger | 10-21-2008 01:19 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? Probably the best investment over the past 3-4 years has been ammo. It has increased in price way more than guns or pm's.

jrog100 | 10-21-2008 01:23 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1370467) Not that I don't think that's a KILLER idea... but, the BATF may not take too kindly to that...http://goldismoney.info/forums/pictu...&pictureid=220 jus sayin:thumb.aspx:
You are correct sir. I do believe that what's described (selling guns to make a profit) is unlawful unless you have a FFL.

SWRichmond | 10-21-2008 01:27 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? Back in the day, the ATF term for dealer was "engaging in the business."

hypervel | 10-21-2008 01:36 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? Future unclear.......hard to tell.....both gold and guns subject to outlaw with historical precedent....... Maybe 10k scrap is a good idea......Ferfal was sayin' something like that..... Not that I learn from other's lessons. I like to figure things out the hard way.

Silver Wolf | 10-21-2008 01:43 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket. Diversify your investments but I would always lean towards guns and bullets more than gold and silver. Regardless if they get banned, that would only make their value go up even higher.

oz in sc | 10-21-2008 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by gangsta99 (Post 1370529) How much and how hard is it to get an FFL? Sounds like it might very well be worth it.
VERY difficult and VERY intrusive. Ammunition was a GREAT investment....especially .308 and .223 surplus.

<SLV> | 10-21-2008 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by gangsta99 (Post 1370529) How much and how hard is it to get an FFL? Sounds like it might very well be worth it.
You will become a custodian of paperwork -- slip up even in the order in which it is filed and they will be all over you. I've thought about getting a C&R license just so I could stock up on mil-surp, but this license does not permit you to "engage in the business" (make a living) selling firearms.

oz in sc | 10-21-2008 02:00 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? Buy from 'evil gun shows' or privately if at all possible....no paperwork in free states at least.

meatman | 10-21-2008 02:20 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? I can tell you one thing if I was to sell my ammo I bought the last few year have a bigger return then gold even when gold was $900 :applause_

The Argent Dragon | 10-21-2008 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1370538) I've thought about getting a C&R license just so I could stock up on mil-surp, but this license does not permit you to "engage in the business" (make a living) selling firearms.
TRUE, but anyone here who has a regular job will be hard pressed to make more $$$ off sellin' guns than his/her own paycheck. C&R = collector You can sell guns to increase or expand one's collection and there's no mention on a restriction of how many. Anyhow, it's a good hobby for some cash on the side when able.......just be sure to buy a pricey weapon for replacement as an upgrade every once in a while. Also, buying off individuals in one's own state with cash is a good way to go.........draw your own conclusions. :wink:

RiverRat | 10-21-2008 03:49 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? :553: I don't think I've mentioned this but things are turning strange on the firearm scene...locally,that is. My local guy at the pawn shop is up to his eyeballs in long guns and pistols. I have never saw his place so full of firearms in the last ten years. Last week he told me he was being slammed with people pawning their guns for gas money and groceries...yeah,like that's a revelation. When the economy turns nasty guns seem to be the first thing people want to pawn,mainly because there is always a demand. All this gun pawning and selling at the start of deer hunting season struck me as a little too bizarre for normal. He says nobody is buying firearms...just pawning...go figure. I see it as a "firearm positive" break in the gun market for buyers. Maybe a nationwide glut of firearms being pawned or sold to raise cash will lower prices down to reasonable levels. I sure hope so,but ammo prices are still rising. Something to keep in mind...this phenomenon might snowball if the economy tanks deeper towards a full blown depression. If that happens...guns will definitely be a wiser investment than gold. :yes::yes::yes:

SLV>GLD | 10-21-2008 03:59 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? I took advantage of the Dicks BOGO50% last week and just ordered some mags, HP ammo, a speed loader, grease, CLP and some misc. 10/22 accessories (extractor and bolt buffer) from MidwayUSA. I'd say my discretionary spending has certainly been towards firearms as of recent.

voodoo1951 | 10-21-2008 08:42 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? Just sold a large stack of Ag that really has not gained $hit and repositioned my stack w/ Brass/Lead/Milled Steel Products...Like James Brown said, "I Feel Good"...!!!

MOD1 | 10-21-2008 08:45 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? I also think a wise investment for an individual, but as far as trading wampum - I'd rather simultaneously handle poisonous vipers and crimp blasting caps with my teeth than broker firearms - especially in desperate times. Payday for me in ten days - and counting. I guess I'm johnny-come-lately, but I plan on purchasing one case of centerfire rifle ammunition, optics for one rifle that doesn't have open sights and maybe three slings-and a partridge in a pear tree!!!:9536: Take care, Mod1

extremist | 10-21-2008 09:10 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? Even Obummer's ascendancy hasn't raised the prices of items like "assault" weapons and hi-caps -- so I don't know what will. Gun prices have fallen over the last 10 years, accounting for inflation -- e.g., a Glock 19 costs me the same now as it did in 1998. The only exceptions seem to be NFA items, collectibles, and the occasional discontinued or "soon to be banned" item. Ammo prices have risen simply because the costs of the underlying components have shot up.

StackerKen | 10-21-2008 09:42 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? in Ca. we have to wait ten days to get a gun. Even a Rifle nowdays,..... we ordered one 9 days ago... gonna get it this weekend, along with a couple 1000 rounds. AND order another pistol too. :5_1_120: then Next month A Shotgun

elroy | 10-21-2008 09:43 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? I'm still sitting on guns I bought when the original AWB was passed. Probably don't need any more.

Brent | 10-21-2008 09:47 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? I'm trying to decide if I should sell some of my SAEs and invest in a couple different things.

platinumdude | 10-21-2008 09:56 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? FRNs are best.

jedemdasseine | 10-22-2008 04:13 AM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? I prefer guns to gold. :)

SilverSalmon | 10-22-2008 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1371441) FRNs are best.
Totally, when gold hits 600 I'm trading for Spam and potted meat. Don't be weak hands *&!#!*()! Haven't you learned anything from history? Actually go ahead and sell, I'm selling too. PLEASE Go ahead and do it . APMEX is the best place to sell, let me know when you make your sell or I can sell it for you, just Pm me. I know people and will get you top FRN, I PROMISE! PM me! Peace!. Gold and Silver are basically stupid investments! Personally I'm buying Yahoo at the moment, it's a fire sell.:4_8_4v:

The Argent Dragon | 10-23-2008 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jedemdasseine (Post 1371822) I prefer guns to gold. :)
Well, GUNS have the upper hand now..........sheesh GOLD is suckin' big time now. $700 ?!?!? :thumb.aspx:

Twisted Avatar | 10-23-2008 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1370467) Not that I don't think that's a KILLER idea... but, the BATF may not take too kindly to that...http://goldismoney.info/forums/pictu...&pictureid=220 jus sayin:thumb.aspx:
Which is why when the it comes to the BATF and your firearms ........

JJ_ | 10-23-2008 09:33 AM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? TA ... you know I lub ya man... But.. you're not suggestin that a fellow GIMMER should do something outside the realm of holy law :sarcasm: are ya?:wink:

Twisted Avatar | 10-23-2008 09:37 AM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? I found a legendary deal on cheaper than dirt on Federal 9mm +p+ hollowpoint ammo (police over stock) 50 round boxes going for 15.59. I ordered like three times last week and the last order was so big someone has to sign for it. (you can imagine). T

Twisted Avatar | 10-23-2008 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1374232) TA ... you know I lub ya man... But.. you're not suggestin that a fellow GIMMER should do something outside the realm of holy law :sarcasm: are ya?:wink:
To quote my momma: THOSE WHO KNOW DONT TALK AND THOSE WHO TALK DONT KNOW A THING. Silence is golden

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JJ_ | 10-23-2008 09:56 AM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1374242) To quote my momma: THOSE WHO KNOW DONT TALK AND THOSE WHO TALK DONT KNOW A THING. Silence is golden
Well... one could hardly conduct business like that.http://goldismoney.info/forums/pictu...&pictureid=222 catch 22? Oh and thanks for the heads up on the ammo... good deal.:ok:

SLV>GLD | 10-23-2008 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1374264) Well... one could hardly conduct business like that.
You don't catch momma's drift. Let's pick an illicit subject. Let's say pot fields. Those who know where the pot field is don't talk. It is unnecessary. If you need to know then you will be shown and talk is largely secondary to being shown. Those who don't know a thing (say, where the pot field is) will be the ones running their mouths. Business is still well underway. You know what bugs me, though? The fact that there are 2 of this graemlin in the selection: :cry1: We all know that any duplicates should be from the following: :553::565::coolbeer::5_1_120::banana::elefant: :getdown: :bulride:

SLV>GLD | 10-23-2008 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1374232) But.. you're not suggestin that a fellow GIMMER should do something outside the realm of holy law :sarcasm:
Never, a GIM'r upholds the law for law cannot be broken anyway. The legalese can go stuff itself.:553::565::getdown:

Copperhead | 10-23-2008 09:31 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? Quote:
Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1370447) Although it might be temporary........GOLD is suckin' quite hard lately. Anyone stocking up on GUNS & Ammo instead ??? ......2-weeks ago I sold off a couple of Gold coins near $900 per oz and got a SIG 556 rifle. Glad I did seeing what's going on right now..........maybe it's GUNS are MONEY ???
Gold? maybe, but silver for sure. I could have bought guns retail 5 months ago instead of silver and resold them today as used and still come out better.

JJ_ | 10-23-2008 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1375347) Never, a GIM'r upholds the law for law cannot be broken anyway. The legalese can go stuff itself.:553::565::getdown:
do you need me to find a bigger:sarcasm: or what? there's philisophical truth and theres the truth that backed up by JBT's w/ guns. Fellas can talk tough all they want now.. the Rubber hasn't even begun to hit the road yet.

The Argent Dragon | 10-24-2008 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Copperhead (Post 1375353) Gold? maybe, but silver for sure. I could have bought guns retail 5 months ago instead of silver and resold them today as used and still come out better.
:ok: ......Awesome, this is what we need to be aware of. :coolbeer:

Twisted Avatar | 10-24-2008 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by RiverRat (Post 1370776) :553: I don't think I've mentioned this but things are turning strange on the firearm scene...locally,that is. My local guy at the pawn shop is up to his eyeballs in long guns and pistols. I have never saw his place so full of firearms in the last ten years. Last week he told me he was being slammed with people pawning their guns for gas money and groceries...yeah,like that's a revelation. When the economy turns nasty guns seem to be the first thing people want to pawn,mainly because there is always a demand. All this gun pawning and selling at the start of deer hunting season struck me as a little too bizarre for normal. He says nobody is buying firearms...just pawning...go figure. :yes::yes::yes:
That makes perfect sense in the world of Typical Sheep logic.

The Argent Dragon | 11-17-2008 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RiverRat (Post 1370776) He says nobody is buying firearms...just pawning...go figure.
NOW that sure changed in a hurry, right ? :wink:

Twisted Avatar | 11-17-2008 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1420765) NOW that sure changed in a hurry, right ? :wink:
I dunno AD my spidey sense are telling me that the larger portion of the sheep are still doing the same thing. T

The Argent Dragon | 11-17-2008 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1420783) I dunno AD my spidey sense are telling me that the larger portion of the sheep are still doing the same thing. T
Well, selling GUNS like old shotguns and pistols are one thing. Selling Assault Rifles is a whole 'nother ballgame if ya catch my drift. Sure lots of guns can be found secondhand, but how many are evil black rifles, ehhh ? :wink:

ohioarmedneutrality | 11-17-2008 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by skytrooper (Post 1420853) Keep this in mind. Eventually Black Rifles, High cap mags and Golcks will be confiscated or at least illegal to own. My guess in Obamas 2nd term. I sure wouldn't want to have 10K in firearms I had to turn in.
Simple solution to that scenario: Don't turn them in. Ever. Because it if ever gets that bad, you might as well do down fighting.

Twisted Avatar | 11-17-2008 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ohioarmedneutrality (Post 1420861) Simple solution to that scenario: Don't turn them in. Ever. Because it if ever gets that bad, you might as well do down fighting.
+4000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000 NEVER TURN IN YOUR GUNS..........EVER........... THEY DAY YOU DO IS THE DAY YOU ACKNOWLEDGE A POWER HIGHER THAN YOUR GOD WHO GAVE YOU YOUR FREEDOMS!!!! T

Twisted Avatar | 11-17-2008 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by The Argent Dragon (Post 1420847) Well, selling GUNS like old shotguns and pistols are one thing. Selling Assault Rifles is a whole 'nother ballgame if ya catch my drift. Sure lots of guns can be found secondhand, but how many are evil black rifles, ehhh ? :wink:
Upon further clarification ....... I must fully agree with your synopsis :ok:

unalga | 11-17-2008 06:40 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? My method is to watch the local "little nickel" etc. type papers for firarms. You can always find some lady who is sticking it to her "ex" or soon to be husband for some good firearms deals. No paperwork, no names. Cash and carry, no way that piece will ever get taken away.

platinumdude | 11-17-2008 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by skytrooper (Post 1420912) I had some EBR's but I recently sold them all privately when I saw the AWB coming.
Me too, I sold them all privately.

reviver | 11-17-2008 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by skytrooper (Post 1420912) I had some EBR's but I recently sold them all privately when I saw the AWB coming.
Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1420988) Me too, I sold them all privately.
You know that's funny. I did the same thing. On a side note, I dropped into one of the local pawns that I do business with, haven't been there for a few months, and he had just put out 6 new Romanian AK-47s. He was asking $595 for them. All of his prices are going up. Said business was good selling guns. I have been going there for years, and he now mainly sells guns, and when he can, a few old tools of which he has a few million.

Twisted Avatar | 11-17-2008 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gangsta99 (Post 1421181) I wish I sold all my EBRs. I lost them all in a fiery boating accident. :bawling:
Holy smokes!!!! I had a gypsy tell me the very same thing is going to happen to me next week!!!

The Argent Dragon | 11-17-2008 10:18 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? Okay guys, I guess I can 'level' with ya, I never had any EBR's........I merely did a cut-n-paste job from pics I found on the web. :signs14:

cugir321 | 11-17-2008 11:47 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? food is better then both...if you have a gun, have gold....buy food. There's no future in shooting starving people and you never know who has gold.

reviver | 11-18-2008 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by cugir321 (Post 1421336) food is better then both...if you have a gun, have gold....buy food. There's no future in shooting starving people and you never know who has gold.
Good Lord I pray such a scenario would never come about. But what if it does. And it really seems as if the wraps have been thrown off. Things are contracting. "We live in interesting times." I believe this was an old american indian curse

StrawMan=Corporation | 11-18-2008 12:24 AM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? Keep this in mind. "Those who beat their swords into plowshares will end up plowing for those who did not."

Mike C | 11-18-2008 07:02 AM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? Gold sucks right now, and that is why I sold mine all off when it was $950-$980 spot(got out just in time). I was saying to numerous people that guns would be the next good investment, and it looks like that might hold true... Too bad I have never had a rifle as well....or at least you will never find a transaction anywhere that says I have:) I'm still holding out on stockpiling ammo, as I think the metal prices will eventually filter over to ammo and I think prices in the near future will drop a slight bit(before going back up when Obama does something) Just my $.05 cents.

Twisted Avatar | 11-18-2008 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike C (Post 1421564) Gold sucks right now, and that is why I sold mine all off when it was $950-$980 spot(got out just in time). I was saying to numerous people that guns would be the next good investment, and it looks like that might hold true... Too bad I have never had a rifle as well....or at least you will never find a transaction anywhere that says I have:) I'm still holding out on stockpiling ammo, as I think the metal prices will eventually filter over to ammo and I think prices in the near future will drop a slight bit(before going back up when Obama does something) Just my $.05 cents.
Buy high cap mags for everything..........even for guns you dont own 30 rd AK-47 and AR -15 Mags will be fecthing a LEGENDARY PREMIUM ( I see tripple digits for the best quality ones Magpul, Hkk ,etc)

Twisted Avatar | 11-18-2008 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by StrawMan=Corporation (Post 1421367) Keep this in mind. "Those who beat their swords into plowshares will end up plowing for those who did not."
:applause_:applause_:applause_:applause_:applause_ :applause_:applause_:applause_:applause_:applause_ :applause_:applause_:applause_:applause_:applause_

GunNut | 11-18-2008 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gangsta99 (Post 1370529) How much and how hard is it to get an FFL? Sounds like it might very well be worth it.
It mainly depends on which FFL you're applying for. Unless you own a brick and morter location, it's almost impossible for holding a 03 SOT(which most people call a Class 3 Dealer). For getting a 001 FFL(dealer lisc), it's very hard unless you are at least renting a store front. Getting a 007 FFL(manufacturer lisc, which most gunsmiths hold) is a tad bit easier than getting the other FFL's. It's pretty common for gunsmiths to work out if their houses. I'm going through the process of getting a 007 FFL and this is what's involved so far. You need to hold a LLC or incorportate yourself, have a state ID number, federal ID, have approval from the city you live in or plan to do buiness in, file your paperwork, pay fee and then wait. Next you have an interveiw from BATFE field agent and they explain to you all the rules and regulations. The BATFE is required to do a suprise inspection(during your posted buiness hours) at least once every three years, but they can inspect you as often as they want. One of my friends holds a 007 FFL and a 02 SOT and he just had his first inpection(pretty close to the three year mark), he just got back from his honeymoon and was in the door only about ten minutes and there was a knock on te door. It was the BATFE, time for your inspection. They mainly inspected his bound books and checked over his inventory. The main thing they get pissy about is people not keeping up with their records, he said the agent was very polite and respectful. You also have to remember what the BATFE is and was origanially designed for, they are revenuers. Just making sure the government get's their peice of your pie. If you don't want the government your house, don't invite them in.

Mike C | 11-18-2008 06:07 PM
Re: Are GUNS better than GOLD ??? Yeah, I just ordered 10 magpul 30 rounders with windows. I don't have anywhere near enough ammo to even fill them, but oh well!

Twisted Avatar | 11-18-2008 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike C (Post 1422690) Yeah, I just ordered 10 magpul 30 rounders with windows. I don't have anywhere near enough ammo to even fill them, but oh well!
Who has them??? Put up a linky please. T

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