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Juristic Person | 04-02-2008 01:42 PM
National Open Carry Day Let us not forget that EVERYDAY should be "National Open Carry Day".... http://www.patriotpages.net/nationalopencarry.htm National Open Carry Day� and National Open Carry Weekend� Because "a Right restricted is a Right denied" and "a Right not exercised is a Right lost." "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed" Thomas Jefferson The next National Open Carry Day is July 4th, 2008 The next National Open Carry Weekend is July 4th, 5th and 6th, 2008 Everyday hundreds of thousands of law abiding citizens carry handguns for self defense all across America. Most of those arms are concealed. "Open Carry Day and Open Carry Weekend seek to bring those people who normally carry concealed out of the shadows and into the light. As responsible firearms owners we understand that firearms do not cause crime, but rather prevent and stop crime. In that light we bring to you the National Open Carry Day� and National Open Carry Weekend�. If you live in a state that precludes open carry consider wearing a empty holster to show solidarity Thank you all for the overwhelming response thus far. A quick google search of the words "Nation Open Carry" yields dozens of hits on many different message boards and blogs, not bad for this page only having been up since 3-28-2008. Please continue to spread the word! This idea and webpage is a work in progress. It is merely a start to inform those who fear firearms and to work towards the removal of unConstitutional legislation that infringes on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Including those laws that prohibit law abiding citizens from carrying a firearm. Please check back frequently as we get this off the ground. ***Please ensure that Open Carry is lawful in your state before openly carrying a firearm.*** ***We are NOT responsible for your lack of knowledge on state laws regarding open or concealed carry*** *** Please carry responsibly and lawfully*** If you are planning on participating please drop an E-mail with your state initals to: National Open Carry HOME Selected Quotes: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -- Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." � George Washington "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;..." Thomas Jefferson letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. 1824. ME 16:45. The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them." Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646 (June 25, 1788). George Mason: "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." (3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

abrokencircle | 04-02-2008 01:50 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Will do. Right on my side, as usual.

eyeofliberty | 04-02-2008 02:10 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day I'll be packin'. Say, that's a good day to have it on, who woulda thunk it? :D

Juristic Person | 04-02-2008 02:11 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day It is important that, not only do we recognize our rights (and understand the differences between rights and privileges), but also that we claim them. If you don't claim your rights (in this case opnely carrying without asking permission from the body politic), you don't have them. By, for and of....the people. Remember that.

Victor | 04-02-2008 03:24 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Not that I am aganist it but, open carry is a great way to spend the day being detained by the police while they figure out whether or not to charge you with disturbing the peace or inciting a panic. No thanks.

Dave | 04-02-2008 03:43 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor (Post 1041696) Not that I am aganist it but, open carry is a great way to spend the day being detained by the police while they figure out whether or not to charge you with disturbing the peace or inciting a panic. No thanks.
Victor, be sure to read the entire release where they tell you to be sure and observe your local laws. Here is a link to find out if this is legal in your state: http://www.opencarry.org/ - Interesting looks like you can open carry in Ohio assuming your profile location is accurate. Did you even know it was legal to openly carry in your state? Sounds like the purpose of this "National Open Carry Day" which is to educate is well served in your case. By the way, I am not questioning your intelligence; the fact is most people just don't know their own local gun laws. My state, concealed carry is only allowed, so you can bet I will at least be doing that. However, I am legally allowed to open carry on my property and place of business so I will be open carrying there as well. Dave

Victor | 04-02-2008 03:52 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day I am well aware of the open carry laws in this state. Well aware of the concealed carry laws in this state also. Open carry in Ohio while legal is a great way to get harassed, the cops called on you, arrested and booked on a BS charge. No thanks.

Dave | 04-02-2008 03:59 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor (Post 1041756) I am well aware of the open carry laws in this state. Well aware of the concealed carry laws in this state also. Open carry in Ohio while legal is a great way to get harassed, the cops called on you, arrested and booked on a BS charge. No thanks.
I can appreciate your point. Though I think the purpose of this is to challenge public awareness. If you simply open carry and have a very calm demeanor with police officers that approach you, then they can NOT charge you with anything. In fact, you should inform them it is open carry day/weekend and they should anticipate more open carriers. Another strategy would be simply to call you local sheriff and inform them that this is National Open Carry Weekend and they should make officers aware that more than normal will be open carrying. Simply making a call like this could prevent an altercation all together. But if you don't feel stronger enough about your right to carry then that is ok too. Dave

flash91 | 04-02-2008 04:07 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1041764) I can appreciate your point. Though I think the purpose of this is to challenge public awareness. If you simply open carry and have a very calm demeanor with police officers that approach you, then they can NOT charge you with anything. In fact, you should inform them it is open carry day/weekend and they should anticipate more open carriers. Another strategy would be simply to call you local sheriff and inform them that this is National Open Carry Weekend and they should make officers aware that more than normal will be open carrying. Simply making a call like this could prevent an altercation all together. But if you don't feel stronger enough about your right to carry then that is ok too. Dave
I am in favor of open carrry day, but you will likely get arrested. Here we have a law against "carrying in a threatening manner" Carrying at all is threatening to someone. Pathetic really.

Victor | 04-02-2008 04:11 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1041764) I can appreciate your point. Though I think the purpose of this is to challenge public awareness. If you simply open carry and have a very calm demeanor with police officers that approach you, then they can NOT charge you with anything. In fact, you should inform them it is open carry day/weekend and they should anticipate more open carriers. Another strategy would be simply to call you local sheriff and inform them that this is National Open Carry Weekend and they should make officers aware that more than normal will be open carrying. Simply making a call like this could prevent an altercation all together. But if you don't feel stronger enough about your right to carry then that is ok too. Dave
It has nothing to do with "feeling strong enough" about my right to carry and everything to do with not wanting to go to jail on a BS charge until some cop figures out the law. And if you think most cops know the open carry law in this state or will care what day it is, your delusional. Most of them don't even know the concealled carry law as it is. Again, no thanks.

Dave | 04-02-2008 04:21 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor (Post 1041787) It has nothing to do with "feeling strong enough" about my right to carry and everything to do with not wanting to go to jail on a BS charge until some cop figures out the law. And if you think most cops know the open carry law in this state or will care what day it is, your delusional. Most of them don't even know the concealled carry law as it is. Again, no thanks.
Well, then our situation collectively will NEVER get better if there is an unwillingness to take the necessary steps to educate people. Here is a YouTube link to a open carry incident in New Hampshire. The person in this video "David" keeps his cool and eventually is allowed to go on his way. YouTube - Open Carry Legal in New Hampshire?
YouTube - Open Carry Legal in New Hampshire?
Watch it through the entire video. This is exactly what we need to happen, which is the education of both police and citizens. Dave

Juristic Person | 04-02-2008 06:46 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor (Post 1041696) Not that I am aganist it but, open carry is a great way to spend the day being detained by the police while they figure out whether or not to charge you with disturbing the peace or inciting a panic. No thanks.
Why are you so concerned? Open carry is not even "illegal" in Ohio. Do you support gun privileges? Or do you claim your rights?

Juristic Person | 04-02-2008 06:47 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1041733) Victor, be sure to read the entire release where they tell you to be sure and observe your local laws. Here is a link to find out if this is legal in your state: http://www.opencarry.org/ - Interesting looks like you can open carry in Ohio assuming your profile location is accurate. Did you even know it was legal to openly carry in your state? Sounds like the purpose of this "National Open Carry Day" which is to educate is well served in your case. By the way, I am not questioning your intelligence; the fact is most people just don't know their own local gun laws. My state, concealed carry is only allowed, so you can bet I will at least be doing that. However, I am legally allowed to open carry on my property and place of business so I will be open carrying there as well. Dave
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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1041764) I can appreciate your point. Though I think the purpose of this is to challenge public awareness. If you simply open carry and have a very calm demeanor with police officers that approach you, then they can NOT charge you with anything. In fact, you should inform them it is open carry day/weekend and they should anticipate more open carriers. Another strategy would be simply to call you local sheriff and inform them that this is National Open Carry Weekend and they should make officers aware that more than normal will be open carrying. Simply making a call like this could prevent an altercation all together. But if you don't feel stronger enough about your right to carry then that is ok too. Dave
Excellent points, Dave. Thanks for posting.

bsdetector | 04-02-2008 07:28 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day I open carried in Vegas, got the cops called on me by "concerned citizen" drones a couple times. I.D.ed myself and stood my ground, yes officer its fully loaded. They check me out, no wants no warrants ..... no problem. Open carry is a right and it distinguishes you from a harmless victim. Asking momma government permission to hide your firearms in shame (Concealed Carry) is not my style. Contrary to popular belief, CONcealed Carry does not give your permission to carry on someone's property without their permission (just like open carry). If they press charges ... you go to jail !

extremist | 04-02-2008 10:52 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Open carry is legal in my area, but will quite likely result in police harassment or a 911 call. Some do it anyway -- but apparently for the same reason they drive monster trucks to their office jobs.

Prometheus | 04-02-2008 11:30 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day "get the cops called" Sorry folks, thats just BS most of the time. I live and OC in NW Indiana. Within feet of the ILL state line and within feet of Chicago city limits, yes FEET. NEVER have I had the cops called on me and NEVER have I been hassled by a cop. Almost every store around here has more ILL plates in the parking lot than IN plates (cheaper sales tax by 4%) and no one "freaks out". Get over the fear and parinoia. Open carry if it's lawful where you are once in awhile. Grow a pair. Sorry but by some of the comments posted here I'm wondering if I've stumbled into the sheeple-zone or something. If I can do here, you can do it where you are. Pretty much no greater concentration of anti-gun nut jobs in the country than there are around these parts. I'll proudly be OC'ing the entire weekend as will my wife. PS anyone else notice the link to GIM on the links page? ;)

Dave | 04-02-2008 11:39 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 1042508) "get the cops called" Sorry folks, thats just BS most of the time. I live and OC in NW Indiana. Within feet of the ILL state line and within feet of Chicago city limits, yes FEET. NEVER have I had the cops called on me and NEVER have I been hassled by a cop. Almost every store around here has more ILL plates in the parking lot than IN plates (cheaper sales tax by 4%) and no one "freaks out". Get over the fear and parinoia. Open carry if it's lawful where you are once in awhile. Grow a pair. Sorry but by some of the comments posted here I'm wondering if I've stumbled into the sheeple-zone or something. If I can do here, you can do it where you are. Pretty much no greater concentration of anti-gun nut jobs in the country than there are around these parts. I'll proudly be OC'ing the entire weekend as will my wife. PS anyone else notice the link to GIM on the links page? ;)
Good call Prometheus. I didn't want to come across this strong but I am glad someone did. It drives me nuts to no end when people complain about their rights being taken away; yet are unwilling to practice those very same rights when lawful simply because the "potential" of police harassment. I agree with your assessment, perhaps we should provide them "sheeple-in-training" badges to wear to identify themselves? Dave

Juristic Person | 04-02-2008 11:42 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by bsdetector (Post 1042128) Contrary to popular belief, CONcealed Carry does not give your permission to carry on someone's property without their permission (just like open carry). If they press charges ... you go to jail !
Very good point. I'm glad that you brought that up.

Krugerrand | 04-03-2008 07:51 AM
Re: National Open Carry Day Those of us in Kalifornia will carry our pistols around our houses and in our backyards in solidarity. When we go out in publik, we will carry concealed a folding locking blade knife in the closed position only, or a fixed blade knife (with a handguard, mind you!) in a readily-visible location upon our persons, i.e. carried in the open. The 200 or so in our county of nearly 1 million, the "in-crowd" as you must "know" someone in this county to get a permit, will carry concealed pistols with impunity like the inner party members they are, and the rest, keen to not be the handicapped bitches the state would like us to be, might work up the courage to do the same, anyway, in spite of the lawzzz, should the mood so strike.

Victor | 04-03-2008 08:17 AM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1042516) Good call Prometheus. I didn't want to come across this strong but I am glad someone did. It drives me nuts to no end when people complain about their rights being taken away; yet are unwilling to practice those very same rights when lawful simply because the "potential" of police harassment. I agree with your assessment, perhaps we should provide them "sheeple-in-training" badges to wear to identify themselves? Dave
Listen, I put money and man hours into helping get the concealed carry laws passed and then modified in this state. It was a struggle for a long time but it happened. So while funny, your sheeple-in-training comment was a bit out of line. No matter though as this is the internet and there are tons of keyboard warriors all over the place. I am not against open carry. What I am against is police harrasment and the possiblity of having to defend my actions in court. The money that I will need to spend clearing myself from some BS charge can go to a better cause such as buying ammo, making a donation to the NRA, buying a few more hi cap mags before the Dem's get in the white house and ban them again, etc... Leave the sheeple comments and the keyboard commando attitude checked at the door. Use that energy maybe to start a grass roots movement to allow open carry in your state. Step up and take the lead.

Dave | 04-03-2008 09:36 AM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor (Post 1042959) Listen, I put money and man hours into helping get the concealed carry laws passed and then modified in this state. It was a struggle for a long time but it happened. So while funny, your sheeple-in-training comment was a bit out of line. No matter though as this is the internet and there are tons of keyboard warriors all over the place. I am not against open carry. What I am against is police harrasment and the possiblity of having to defend my actions in court. The money that I will need to spend clearing myself from some BS charge can go to a better cause such as buying ammo, making a donation to the NRA, buying a few more hi cap mags before the Dem's get in the white house and ban them again, etc... Leave the sheeple comments and the keyboard commando attitude checked at the door. Use that energy maybe to start a grass roots movement to allow open carry in your state. Step up and take the lead.
I am not trying to pick a fight Victor, and I can tell you I am no keyboard-commando of which there is no shortage on the Internet. I am EXTREMELY politically active in my state, in fact, I am going to use this opportunity to promote an Taxpayers Protection Amendment we are trying to get to ballot in Florida. For those of you who reside in Florida, go to this thread and help (I will personally be giving a speech in front of the Florida Taxation and Budget Reform Commission in Tallahassee tomorrow (4-4-08)): http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=251115 Back to the conversation at hand, Let me first point out your money can be better spent than sending it to the NRA if you want true 2nd amendment rights restored. Personally, I have become pretty fond of the GOA in their no comprise stance. Check out the GOA, you might find them more in line with your views. Secondly, the "The Sheeple-in-Training" comment is made in frustration. As I stated in my previous post, I listen to people every day complain about their rights being infringed upon but are not willing to do anything about it. I am sorry, but I disagree that "police harassment" is a legitimate reason to not practice a perfectly lawful right. Do you realize by allowing police harassment dictate your actions you empower their position that they DO NOT have to respect your rights. It is not standing up to police that will lead to a police state. I appreciate your political activism and the work you have done on your State laws as I am performing similar activities locally in my State. However, your statement is contradictory; in one hand you fight for changes in your State Constitution but on the other hand you are unwilling to stand against "police harassment" when it comes to practicing the very rights your own State Constitution limits the police from infringing upon. This does not make sense to me and I would further stipulate it is this very reason Police have become increasingly embolden to overlook your liberties. I practice what I preach and encourage your to rethink what is truly at risk when you let police harassment dictate your actions. Dave

Cassius | 04-03-2008 10:06 AM
Re: National Open Carry Day Anyone who won't open carry because of potential police harassment, probably also is a person who consents to have their car searched on a traffic stop, because after all, they "have nothing to hide", right? Sorry, I will stand up for my rights even if you won't. I'll be open carrying this July 4th.

Tn...Andy | 04-03-2008 01:39 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by bsdetector (Post 1042128) Contrary to popular belief, CONcealed Carry does not give your permission to carry on someone's property without their permission (just like open carry). If they press charges ... you go to jail !
Not so.....in many CC States, including Tennessee, there is specific language in the law that says the property MUST be posted to that effect in order for CC to be illegal. Of course, with open carry, the owner/manager can simply ask you to leave, and if you don't, then you would be trespassing....and possibly in violation of a carry law... Our local mall has a list of "rules" at most entrances that says: "No weapons".......but open/concealed carry would still be legal there because that sign does NOT comply with Tennessee law..... An individual, corporation, business entity or local, state or federal government entity or an agent of these entities is authorized to prohibit the possession of weapons by any person possessing a valid handgun carry permit under Tennessee law at meetings conducted by, or on property owned, operated, or managed by or under the control of such individual, corporation, business entity or government entity. Section 39-17-1359(a). Notice of such prohibition shall be posted in prominent areas of the building, premises or property and shall contain language substantially similar to the following: PURSUANT TO � 39-17-1359, THE OWNER/OPERATOR OF THIS PROPERTY HAS BANNED WEAPONS ON THIS PROPERTY, OR WITHIN THIS BUILDING OR THIS PORTION OF THIS BUILDING. FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THIS PROHIBITION IS PUNISHABLE AS A CRIMINAL ACT UNDER STATE LAW AND MAY SUBJECT THE VIOLATOR TO A FINE OF NOT MORE THAN FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS ($500).

Victor | 04-03-2008 02:14 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by Cassius (Post 1043132) Anyone who won't open carry because of potential police harassment, probably also is a person who consents to have their car searched on a traffic stop, because after all, they "have nothing to hide", right? Sorry, I will stand up for my rights even if you won't. I'll be open carrying this July 4th.
Uh, nope. Two different matters.

Juristic Person | 04-03-2008 04:00 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1043468) Not so.....in many CC States, including Tennessee, there is specific language in the law that says the property MUST be posted to that effect in order for CC to be illegal. Of course, with open carry, the owner/manager can simply ask you to leave, and if you don't, then you would be trespassing....and possibly in violation of a carry law... Our local mall has a list of "rules" at most entrances that says: "No weapons".......but open/concealed carry would still be legal there because that sign does NOT comply with Tennessee law..... An individual, corporation, business entity or local, state or federal government entity or an agent of these entities is authorized to prohibit the possession of weapons by any person possessing a valid handgun carry permit under Tennessee law at meetings conducted by, or on property owned, operated, or managed by or under the control of such individual, corporation, business entity or government entity. Section 39-17-1359(a). Notice of such prohibition shall be posted in prominent areas of the building, premises or property and shall contain language substantially similar to the following: PURSUANT TO � 39-17-1359, THE OWNER/OPERATOR OF THIS PROPERTY HAS BANNED WEAPONS ON THIS PROPERTY, OR WITHIN THIS BUILDING OR THIS PORTION OF THIS BUILDING. FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THIS PROHIBITION IS PUNISHABLE AS A CRIMINAL ACT UNDER STATE LAW AND MAY SUBJECT THE VIOLATOR TO A FINE OF NOT MORE THAN FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS ($500).
Aren't you and bsdetector saying the same thing....that a CC permit doesn't give you any more "permission" to carry on private property against the explicit request of the property owner to disallow such an act? IMO, even if I don't have a sign posted, I would think that if I kindly ask you to check your gun at the door, you must comply if you wish to enter. For example, if a store front has a sign that says "no weapons", and you are caught by the store owner inside with a weapon, he has every right to ask you to leave - and call the cops if you refuse to comply (trespaassing like you said). The statute in your quote above seems silly to me. If I don't have a 'valid' carry permit, then it does not apply. If I am not a 'person', it does not apply (but only a 'person' can be issued a carry permit). A man of flesh and blood can carry without obtaining a permit to do so (open carry) and it would not matter what the sign (pursuant to the statute) said. "Permission" to step foot on the property would stop at the consent of the owner of the property. The fact that you have a gun would be irrelevant. Trespassing, for whatever reason, is trespassing...gun or no gun. Obtaining a CC permit would not change that fact in point.

Tn...Andy | 04-03-2008 06:53 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Not the way I took it.. Contrary to popular belief, CONcealed Carry does not give your permission to carry on someone's property without their permission (just like open carry). If they press charges ... you go to jail ! Unless they specifically DENY permission, then permission is assumed by law.

bsdetector | 04-03-2008 07:33 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day DENY can be verbal language too. "Get off my property with that gun under your belt" is good enough. Don't comply and see how fast you get arrested if the property owner presses other applicable charges. Better check local ordinances too, walk in a place of business in a town with other gun control laws and see how fast you loose that permit or go to jail. CCP is not an all inclusive 'right', its a 'permit'. If it was a RIGHT you wouldn't need to get permission to exersize it ...

Prometheus | 04-03-2008 09:36 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor (Post 1042959) Listen, I put money and man hours into helping get the concealed carry laws passed and then modified in this state. It was a struggle for a long time but it happened. So while funny, your sheeple-in-training comment was a bit out of line. No matter though as this is the internet and there are tons of keyboard warriors all over the place. I am not against open carry. What I am against is police harrasment and the possiblity of having to defend my actions in court. The money that I will need to spend clearing myself from some BS charge can go to a better cause such as buying ammo, making a donation to the NRA, buying a few more hi cap mags before the Dem's get in the white house and ban them again, etc... Leave the sheeple comments and the keyboard commando attitude checked at the door. Use that energy maybe to start a grass roots movement to allow open carry in your state. Step up and take the lead.
First to the nra bit: nra fraud Second, do you honestly think mcAmnesty is less antigun than the dems? Wake up bub, if you actually had a clue about what was going with this you'd have noticed the F- rating he has. Why by the ammo and hicap mags? You won't standup for your Rights when the law is actually with you and you might have to spend 5 minutes educating someone, but you expect us to believe that will change when the law is against you? Were you actually following Ohio firearms laws you'd have seen the recent Ohio SC decision that openly carrying a firearm is both legal AND not grounds for any charges what so ever including any perceived brandishing charges. Sorry victor, I won't be as kind as others here in calling out your inconsistencies and ignorance especially when you purport to be such a "leader" in the OH carry movement. No free passes here. :smokin:

Victor | 04-04-2008 08:46 AM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 1044391) First to the nra bit: nra fraud Second, do you honestly think mcAmnesty is less antigun than the dems? Wake up bub, if you actually had a clue about what was going with this you'd have noticed the F- rating he has. Why by the ammo and hicap mags? You won't standup for your Rights when the law is actually with you and you might have to spend 5 minutes educating someone, but you expect us to believe that will change when the law is against you? Were you actually following Ohio firearms laws you'd have seen the recent Ohio SC decision that openly carrying a firearm is both legal AND not grounds for any charges what so ever including any perceived brandishing charges. Sorry victor, I won't be as kind as others here in calling out your inconsistencies and ignorance especially when you purport to be such a "leader" in the OH carry movement. No free passes here. :smokin:
First off, I never said I supported McLoser so not really sure where that came from. Secondly, Mr keyboard commando, you have no idea what I will or won't do when that time comes so take the attitude over to THR if you want to flex your manhood. Thirdly, I am not debating if open carry is legal in the state of Ohio or not. I voiced an opinion on the matter of National Open Carry Day. Interpretation of the inducing panic or disturbing the peace laws are between you, the public, the police, the lawyers, and the judge. Some cops in this state could care less. Some WILL stick a gun in your face, cuff you, trump up a BS charge, and let you figure out what you are going to do. While they might not have any grounds to do it, it will happen. Forthly, never said I was a "leader". Just one of 10's of thousands working toward a common goal. Let me ask you a couple questions genius since you are an expert on this subject. Why do MOST people need a national open carry day to exercise their rights? Why not do it every day? It's legal in Ohio. Why even bother with working on concealed carry? Why conceal carry at all? Why not just strut around straped all day? I mean other than a shooting range, I have NEVER seen one person in this state open carry on any other day but some open carry rally days prior to the passage of our concealed carry permit. Not one. I am sure getting 911 called on you every 5th day or getting harassed by some king sh!t sheriff as you walk around your local Walmart, might have something to do with that but what do I know, I'm ignorant and need to get a clue. We get tens of thousands of people in this state start exercising their "right" to open carry, you will see a major public outcry. Most sheep in this state have no idea it's even legal. If they did, you can bet they would work their @$$es off to make it illegal. I mean people want to make laws to tell me what kind of potato chip to eat. Give me a break. (Disclaimer:This doesn't mean you shouldn't open carry if you choose too. Just so no one gets "confussed" on what I am saying) Lastly, I could care less what you think of me or my OPINION. After all and like I said before, this is the internet and there are keyboard commandos and mall ninja types all over the place.

honu5050 | 04-04-2008 12:46 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day I am a person? to whom? (I am a human being! ) a &quot;person&quot; is only a made up trick bag description. and I find the 4 th of July as the day we get to celibrate the toys ones got from santa. good luck. and dont forget the fireworks.... I forgot to mention the food and tastes.

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Tn...Andy | 04-04-2008 01:37 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by bsdetector (Post 1044113) DENY can be verbal language too. "Get off my property with that gun under your belt" is good enough. Don't comply and see how fast you get arrested if the property owner presses other applicable charges. Better check local ordinances too, walk in a place of business in a town with other gun control laws and see how fast you loose that permit or go to jail. CCP is not an all inclusive 'right', its a 'permit'. If it was a RIGHT you wouldn't need to get permission to exersize it ...
ahahaha.....OK....you're really REACHING now.....you said: Contrary to popular belief, CONcealed Carry does not give your permission to carry on someone's property without their permission (just like open carry). If they press charges ... you go to jail ! But NOW you're saying "Get off my property with that gun under your belt" is good enough......which is open carry, not concealed.....concealed being the operative word there.....and I pointed out that in Tennessee, as well as many other States where CC has passed recently, that the owners of private property MUST POST in a manner approved by law, or permission IS granted by default.....for property owners ( Superman excepted ) don't have X-ray vision and DON'T have any idea WHO is carrying and who is not...... Yes....anyone can ask anyone else to leave private property for about any reason at any time, so that has nothing to do with concealed carry..... Really rather stupid, actually.....because only the people that ARE law abiding are going to comply, and the people that are there to cause trouble won't pay any damn attention to a sign anyway........ I get what you are saying about "permit" versus right, but you are confused on some of your facts about said permit. EVEN IF it was an absolute RIGHT TO CARRY...AND YOU WERE OR WERE NOT CARRYING.....I could STILL have you arrested for trespass if you didn't leave my property at my request...I might simply not like your looks or whatever......."No shoes, no shirt, no service". Just fess up.....you made an incorrect statement :D

honu5050 | 04-04-2008 02:06 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day kindda gives a new meenin ta isdat ah pickill in yer pocket. always be pollite,.... outta sight outta mind as my hawaiian gsmith knife nice guy said.

Prometheus | 04-04-2008 03:05 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor (Post 1045243) Let me ask you a couple questions genius since you are an expert on this subject. Why do MOST people need a national open carry day to exercise their rights?
Because like you most people live in fear your entire lives and refuse to ever actually LIVE. Thats why. It gives the cowards a day to say "hey I can do this! I can grow a pair and exercise my Rights! I don't have to live in fear anymore!" "public outcry"? Get real man. Public support for firearms and carry laws are at an all time high! Somebody put on a buffet a bullshit and you done bellied up to the table boy. Stop shoveling down the slop and come on back to reality.

Victor | 04-04-2008 03:10 PM
Re: National Open Carry Day Like I said, lot of keyboard commando's out there......

Dave | 04-06-2008 11:51 AM
Re: National Open Carry Day Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor (Post 1045991) Like I said, lot of keyboard commando's out there......
Anymore than you do, I don't think any of us appreciate being called keyboard commandos. I don't, and I am sure you don't. It is impossible to prove that we are activist of our beliefs without compromising the anonymity we have on boards like this. We are going to just have to agree to disagree on our points of view because it appears none of us will budge. However, I have to respectfully disagree with the legitimacy of your concerns and feel that you a long with a lot of our brothers and sisters in liberty are simply intimidated by police and government. This is not a criticism but an observation of a reality that I fear is becoming the greater majority of even our strongest patriots. Patriots in hiding is the equivalent of a siege mentality. Eventually, our resources will dwindle in the face of the forces (tyranny) that besieges us and our cause will be lost no matter how much ammo, food, or supplies we have stored away. Regardless of your participation in the National Carry Day, use this as an opportunity to show your support perhaps in a letter or phone call to your legislature in support of your rights. If we all simply did something no matter how small it will make a difference. At the very least, support those of us who will be participating in this event and wish us success. Dave

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