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gypsybiker45 | 02-07-2009 08:44 PM
M1 Carbine question Ok first, i dont want to know personal ownership of these things. I have one, M wife likes it as she is a very small woman,My question is ,are there other people planning on using them for SHTF times?My reasoning is that i will not buy 5k rounds of ammo and hope i can hang on to it if we have to bug out.Im not pretending my home is a fortress.Would ammo be around to scavenge/buy? Please dont condemn the rifle as too weak or its junk etc. they were used with success in WWII,Korea and Vietnam, its irrelevant, their track record is proven.

gypsybiker45 | 02-07-2009 08:56 PM
Re: M1 Carbine question Quote:
Originally Posted by TechGuy (Post 1556275) Around Texas 30.06 ammo is some of the most common hunting ammo available. Heck, out in the country areas, i have even seen it for sale at convenience stores. (now that IS convenient!)
I think you mistakenly thought I meant M1 Garand, which shoots 30-06, the M1 carbine fires a proprietary .30 carbine round.

Glass | 02-07-2009 09:00 PM
Re: M1 Carbine question When / If you need to bug out you would prefer to take only the rifle and not have to haul 1000's rounds of ammo. What are the chances of scrounging up some suitable ammo where ever you end up? Based on TA and other GIMers experiences it looks like its getting scarce out there. I did a quick search for a post where someone purchased a kit to convert a 1911 or similar into an AR rifle type format. I couldn't find it sorry, but a couple of 1911's and one of these kits might be a good way to go. You get 1 pistol, 1 rifle and 1 type of ammo. Don't know. Worth a thought perhaps? Don't know if anyone can help out with a link. I can't find it.

hypervel | 02-07-2009 09:03 PM
Re: M1 Carbine question I have a friend in a tsunami zone. He and his wife have a carbine, but an AK is his bugout unit.

Ag_man | 02-07-2009 09:37 PM
Re: M1 Carbine question the ammo is just too damn expensive, IMO. I've played with the thought of a M-1 carbine, but it just don't cut it, on a cost/benefit analysis.

ohioarmedneutrality | 02-07-2009 09:50 PM
Re: M1 Carbine question Perhaps you can buy the ammo and then cache it in a number of different locations for digging up when needed. Do you have trustworthy friends/family in various locations that will store it for you? Beats trying to haul around 1,000 rounds in a backpack.

Agfinger | 02-07-2009 10:00 PM
Re: M1 Carbine question Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsybiker45 (Post 1556261) Ok first, i dont want to know personal ownership of these things. I have one, M wife likes it as she is a very small woman,My question is ,are there other people planning on using them for SHTF times?My reasoning is that i will not buy 5k rounds of ammo and hope i can hang on to it if we have to bug out.Im not pretending my home is a fortress.Would ammo be around to scavenge/buy? Please dont condemn the rifle as too weak or its junk etc. they were used with success in WWII,Korea and Vietnam, its irrelevant, their track record is proven.
Back when I had my FFL, I had 14 of these at one time....All GI issue...One from every manufacturer and several variants from Saginaw and National Postal Meter... I even had an Irwin-Pedersen, which was something like 1/10th of 1% of all carbines made....Extremely rare. With that said, when I sold my collection, I didn't keep any of these....Reason? They were fun to shoot and neat little size, but woefully impractical as far as reliability versus cheap parts and ammo price versus usefulness... The carbine was NEVER designed to be a battle rifle replacement...It was designed to be carried in lieu of the .45 1911A1 pistol...Comparing it to a rifle is a bad comparison, because it makes a pretty poor rifle....The rifle caliber is actually a un-necked pistol round and is very weak...Not good for big game at all, and a little big for small game..Mags are expensive, parts are REALLY expensive and if it's original GI issue, you'll be too afraid to scratch the original funriture for fear of gouging the "GMK" cartouche. I was digging through my stuff a month or so ago and found two sealed bandoliers of .30 ammo Lake City on strippers...It tickled me to death. I put it on a local message board and had it sold in two hours...It bought some Yamana gold stock which has since doubled...:10_1_20: If you want it for nostalgia's sake, keep it...Otherwise sell it and buy an SKS...It shoots a real rifle caliber...Cheap ammo in bulk...bulletproof reliable design...Easy to point and shoot and clean....Cheap to buy..and plenty of accesories to modify to your own liking, (Tapco 6 position stock and Tapco mags). JMO from someone who has owned a rack of them, restored and reparkerized three of them and shot a literal ton of cheap .30 carbine GI ammo in the 80's...

ruprick | 02-07-2009 10:29 PM
Re: M1 Carbine question I like the little carbines......I love reloading them - they are really just a pistol cartridge. All depends on your bug-out plans. I think they are a fine little rifle....but you can get a nice Ruger Mini-14 that is about the same size......I thought you had one.....and .223 is everywhere. For me...I'm making a last stand.....but just in case i have to trave light and blend in, I'm getting a Kel-Tec sub 2000 folding carbine in Glock Magazine configuration....hitting the road with 2 glocks and a crap load of mags and ammo.

Blorp | 02-07-2009 10:34 PM
Re: M1 Carbine question Quote:
Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1556423) For me...I'm making a last stand....
Same here. Bunker style. It would be too hard to lug around all that 7.62X54r :RockOn:

mike77777 | 02-07-2009 10:41 PM
Re: M1 Carbine question excellent weapon for a smaller shooter. you will have more success with a rifle you are familiar with and can transport easily. 10 20 round mags, maybe 200 rounds loose should be plenty. easy to handle in a vehicle or building. first rule of gunfight is have a gun.

DuneLurkin | 02-07-2009 10:44 PM
Re: M1 Carbine question I get a kick out of this thread. The OP asks a simple question with the caveat that posters don't naysay the little carbine and the M1 bashing starts. .30 carbine was one of first calibers sold out in Nov. and remains scarce as hens teeth. There's a lot of them out there and people intend to use them if needed. Buy as many rounds as you feel warranted. If you survive any of the firefights you think you'll be in then you can pick-up your next weapon and ammo.

mtnman | 02-07-2009 10:55 PM
Re: M1 Carbine question First it's an excellent carbine! I have a Rockola. But for bug out and SHTF I'd stay with NATO or AK ammo requirements. Remember, unfriendly soldiers are walking ammo supplies.

Ag_man | 02-07-2009 11:03 PM
Re: M1 Carbine question Not trying to naysay the weapon. From a physical design standpoint, it would be a great weapon. It's just the cartridge sucks.

DuneLurkin | 02-07-2009 11:17 PM
Re: M1 Carbine question Quote:
Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1556484) Not trying to naysay the weapon. From a physical design standpoint, it would be a great weapon. It's just the cartridge sucks.
It does what it was designed to do. A light weight self defense round smaller than a 30.06 and more range than a .45. I was to be carried by support troops and those 2nd tier soldiers who wouldn't be actively assualting the enemy. I agree its under powered for assult purposes but if a banzai attack came within 100 yards of my position I'd be happy to have it.

AZLiberty | 02-08-2009 02:28 AM
Re: M1 Carbine question 30 carbine ammo is going to be hard to come by. Not really "scroungable" So if you plan on using it stock up. Soft point ammo is much more effective than the GI Ball ammo.

latemetal | 02-08-2009 05:15 AM
Re: M1 Carbine question From a survival stand point, I'd sell the M1 carbine and get 3 or 4 sks's. I like the carbine but I'd rather have 4 sks's if the shtf does come.:15_1_70v:

gypsybiker45 | 02-08-2009 06:26 AM
Re: M1 Carbine question Quote:
Originally Posted by Agfinger (Post 1556370) Back when I had my FFL, I had 14 of these at one time....All GI issue...One from every manufacturer and several variants from Saginaw and National Postal Meter... I even had an Irwin-Pedersen, which was something like 1/10th of 1% of all carbines made....Extremely rare. With that said, when I sold my collection, I didn't keep any of these....Reason? They were fun to shoot and neat little size, but woefully impractical as far as reliability versus cheap parts and ammo price versus usefulness... The carbine was NEVER designed to be a battle rifle replacement...It was designed to be carried in lieu of the .45 1911A1 pistol...Comparing it to a rifle is a bad comparison, because it makes a pretty poor rifle....The rifle caliber is actually a un-necked pistol round and is very weak...Not good for big game at all, and a little big for small game..Mags are expensive, parts are REALLY expensive and if it's original GI issue, you'll be too afraid to scratch the original funriture for fear of gouging the "GMK" cartouche. I was digging through my stuff a month or so ago and found two sealed bandoliers of .30 ammo Lake City on strippers...It tickled me to death. I put it on a local message board and had it sold in two hours...It bought some Yamana gold stock which has since doubled...:10_1_20: If you want it for nostalgia's sake, keep it...Otherwise sell it and buy an SKS...It shoots a real rifle caliber...Cheap ammo in bulk...bulletproof reliable design...Easy to point and shoot and clean....Cheap to buy..and plenty of accesories to modify to your own liking, (Tapco 6 position stock and Tapco mags). JMO from someone who has owned a rack of them, restored and reparkerized three of them and shot a literal ton of cheap .30 carbine GI ammo in the 80's...
Having enough weapons isnt a problem for us, the carbine in question is for my wife ,exactly for its original intent. a pistol replacement. shes not really good around a gun,not against them, she feels comfortable with this one.this one is an Underwood, ive had it for years , Navy issue, so its like new ,date, 1943

AG Capone | 02-08-2009 07:41 AM
Re: M1 Carbine question I really like the M1 carbine. Is the round underpowered? Sure, but the weapon was designed for officers and other support personnel as a light weapon with a little more range than an SMG. They weigh, what, 6.5 pounds loaded? Parts are readily available and auto ordinance just started reproducing them. Millions were made. Parts and ammo should be available for many more years. Sure, surplus ammo will get harder to find as countries phase them out of their armories. It looks like Wolf and Prvi have filled that void though. Perfect size for a women or other small people/dwarves/trolls.

AG Capone | 02-08-2009 07:56 AM
Re: M1 Carbine question 5.2 pounds empty Hard to beat that, especially for a semi auto with an 18" barrel and high cap mags. M1 Carbine history Quote:
...For many specialist soldiers serving in the rapidly evolving modern army just prior to World War II, the requirement of a full-size infantry rifle as an individual weapon had proved unworkable. This included service troops such as truck drivers, supply personnel, radiomen, and linemen, as well as frontline troops who needed a handier weapon such as paratroopers, officers, forward observers, medics, engineers and mortar crews. During prewar and early war field exercises, it was noticed that these troops, when equipped with the M1903 Springfield, often found their individual weapon too heavy and cumbersome. In addition to impeding the soldier's mobility, a slung rifle would frequently catch on brush, bang the helmet, or tilt it over the eyes. Many soldiers found the rifle slid off the shoulder unless slung diagonally across the back, where it prevented the wearing of standard field packs and haversacks. On the other hand, pistols and revolvers, while undeniably convenient, were often insufficiently accurate or powerful. Submachine guns such as the .45 Thompson were more than sufficiently powerful for close-range encounters, but were heavy, limited in effective range (50-75 meters) and penetration, and were not significantly easier to carry or maintain than the existing service rifles such as the M1903 and M1 Garand. Army ordnance determined that a weapon for non-combat soldiers should add no more than five pounds to their equipment load, but nothing in the US arsenal met that requirement. It was decided that a new weapon was needed for these other roles. While the range of a pistol is about 50 yards and the range of existing rifles was several hundred yards, the requirement for the new firearm called for a defensive weapon with an effective range of 300 yards, which would be much lighter and handier than the M1 Garand, but at the same time, have much greater range, firepower, and accuracy than the M1911A1 pistols currently in use. ....
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... Lt. Col. John George, a small arms expert and intelligence officer serving in Burma with Merrill's Marauders, reported that the .30 carbine bullet would easily penetrate the front and back of steel helmets, as well as the body armor[11] used by Japanese forces of the era. ...
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At the M1 Carbine's maximum listed range of 300 yards (270 m), its bullet has about the same energy as pistol rounds like the 7mm Nambu do at the muzzle. Bullet drop is significant past 200 yards
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The M1 and later M2 carbine was never designed to be an assault rifle, in league with the later German StG44 and Russian AK-47, and the .30 Carbine gives up significant muzzle velocity (roughly 350 ft/s (110 m/s)) to both. Additionally, the bullets used in the cartridges of the AK-47 and StG44 are spitzer designs, and suffer less energy loss and trajectory drop at distances beyond 100 yards. Most authorities list the effective combat range of the M1 Carbine at around 200 yards, compared to 250-300 yards (230�270 m) for the AK-47 and StG44.

AG Capone | 02-08-2009 08:07 AM
Re: M1 Carbine question So the short answer is yes, this will be sufficient in SHTF days. Just make sure you have some ammo for it. The Obamanites will be disarmed and probably starving, 50% of the population. Anything that goes bang will be sufficient.:coolbeer:

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