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NaP@lm | 06-17-2009 02:55 PM
How many of you own one of these? Looks like a nice safe idea :ok: You Tube
You Tube

sirgonzo420 | 06-17-2009 03:03 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? I loved the concept but was unwilling to pay for one.... So I made my own in about 5 - 10 minutes. I like it. :ok:

StrawMan=Corporation | 06-17-2009 03:06 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Not if you have kids. Quote:
Originally Posted by NaP@lm (Post 1774498) Looks like a nice safe idea :ok:

EireGoBragh | 06-17-2009 03:07 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Cool.....wonder if they make one for a handgun?

Iptuous | 06-17-2009 03:31 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? For those of us behind a nannywall, please?

SLV>GLD | 06-17-2009 03:39 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by Iptuous (Post 1774561) For those of us behind a nannywall, please?
It's a bedside gun rack. The rack is comprised of thin, flat, wide metal bands so that you can slide it between your mattress and box springs. The part that hangs out has been bent into a curvature to support a shotgun. Sheets cover it during the day. Shotgun at near ready during the night. $39.95 made for TV ad or an idea to build your own for $15 in parts and know-how.

meatman | 06-17-2009 03:59 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by EireGoBragh (Post 1774518) Cool.....wonder if they make one for a handgun?
yea Its call a hook

I am me, I am free | 06-17-2009 04:26 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by StrawMan=Corporation (Post 1774517) Not if you have kids.
Anyone with this issue has failed to gun-proof their children.

C&L 1911 | 06-17-2009 05:16 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1774644) Anyone with this issue has failed to gun-proof their children.
If you had children, you would know that it's impossible to gun-proof a 3 year old.

I am me, I am free | 06-17-2009 05:20 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by C&L 1911 (Post 1774721) If you had children, you would know that it's impossible to gun-proof a 3 year old.
Heh. I've done it. And the Model 37 M&P continued to be positioned next to the bed fully loaded.

meatman | 06-17-2009 05:51 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1774741) Heh. I've done it. And the Model 37 M&P continued to be positioned next to the bed fully loaded.
Please tell us

Shasta Gold | 06-17-2009 05:59 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by StrawMan=Corporation (Post 1774517) Not if you have kids.
Why not? My kids have been gun safe since 5 years old.

meatman | 06-17-2009 06:04 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasta Gold (Post 1774815) Why not? My kids have been gun safe since 5 years old.
And California treats you like your 5 they don't even trust you with dropping a mag out

St. Germain | 06-17-2009 07:00 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1774644) Anyone with this issue has failed to gun-proof their children.
State of CT. Kids gets ahold of your firearm = go to jail. Every firearm is treated as if it is loaded. No child is gun proof. I would never bet their lives on it. ST

poor boy | 06-17-2009 08:42 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by sirgonzo420 (Post 1774510) I loved the concept but was unwilling to pay for one.... So I made my own in about 5 - 10 minutes. I like it. :ok:
I work in a fab shop..they just messed up showing a picture of this . I can come up with the dimensions in ohhh bout 2 minutes:10_1_20:

madfranks | 06-17-2009 08:58 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1774644) Anyone with this issue has failed to gun-proof their children.
Once they're old enough to know, yes, but right now I wouldn't leave a loaded gun on the bed where my three year old might get to it.

Darkside | 06-17-2009 09:06 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Yeah I made something for my handgun Just took an older holster and took a long strap and basically looped the strap through the holster's belt hoop and wrapped the strap around my mattress. Its one of those holsters that can pivot though otherwise it would be sideways

DA1984 | 06-17-2009 10:19 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1774741) Heh. I've done it. And the Model 37 M&P continued to be positioned next to the bed fully loaded.
Sorry, but if you did that while you had a 3 year old roaming the house, your an idiot, plain and simple. I don't want to take your guns and I don't want anyone to take mine, but this is just reckless behavior. There is no 3 year old that can appreciate fully the consequences of his or her actions, therefore they are unable to ask or even answer the question, "what would happen if I . . . . ." I am glad you got lucky, but your actions were reckless. This, of course, is all based upon my assumption that you are being truthful.

Saul Mine | 06-17-2009 10:35 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by C&L 1911 (Post 1774721) If you had children, you would know that it's impossible to gun-proof a 3 year old.
When I was a child my father kept several rifles in a hall closet - not even in his bed room. He occasionally took one of them out and showed us how to take it apart and oil it and stuff like that. It never occurred to me to mess with any of his stuff. Because, you know, it was his stuff, not mine. To get back on topic, I think it's a nice idea but I wouldn't pay for one. There are lots of ways to do it for free.

I am me, I am free | 06-17-2009 10:38 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by DA1984 (Post 1775279) Sorry, but if you did that while you had a 3 year old roaming the house, your an idiot, plain and simple. I don't want to take your guns and I don't want anyone to take mine, but this is just reckless behavior. There is no 3 year old that can appreciate fully the consequences of his or her actions, therefore they are unable to ask or even answer the question, "what would happen if I . . . . ." I am glad you got lucky, but your actions were reckless. This, of course, is all based upon my assumption that you are being truthful.
IF you actually think this way, then YOU are an idiot plain and simple, and have never been in a real storm. It is clear you are not fully informed yet in your arrogance you think you are. When I was 11 years old every single one of the rifles and shotguns in our house (there were at least 8 at any given time) were hanging completely unlocked in racks in my bedroom and a couple were kept loaded. City folk neither appreciate nor understand country folks who live day and night with guns.

madfranks | 06-17-2009 10:50 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1775296) IF you actually think this way, then YOU are an idiot plain and simple, and have never been in a real storm. It is clear you are not fully informed yet in your arrogance you think you are. When I was 11 years old every single one of the rifles and shotguns in our house (there were at least 8 at any given time) were hanging completely unlocked in racks in my bedroom. City folk neither appreciate nor understand country folks who live day and night with guns.
I'm sorry but I agree with DA1984 on this one. Taking a rifle out of a closet to clean is not the same thing as what is being discussed in this thread, which is a product that helps you keep a loaded gun, be it a rifle, shotgun or handgun, ready and accessible at the bedside. Reality is you are not always in that bedroom with the gun, and you are not always 100% watching your 3 yr old child. What if you went to the restroom, or went to grab the mail, or noticed a burning pot on the oven and your 3 yr old managed to get into your room while you weren't watching? As stated previously, there is no 3 yr old who fully contemplates the magnitude of pulling a trigger on a loaded firearm. If you did keep loaded guns easily accessible to a 3 yr old, then you are indeed lucky to have not had an accidental discharge from their hands.

Igotyour6 | 06-17-2009 11:03 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Mine (Post 1775291) When I was a child my father kept several rifles in a hall closet - .
When I was a kid we and every one I knew had a rifle or shotgun hanging above the door on two nails. one particular time I remember dad driving more nails above more doors, do not know what the deal was, but I asked Dad if we would be putting one above the bathroom door, he said "nope, to much humidity with the washing machine and the tub" as far as I know I did not get ahold of a gun and hurt myself or others, however Mom was kind of worried and made sure all of us kids could knock down a rifle or shotgun with a broom handle should we need it. Dad or Mom wont talk about it now, they just go on as though nothing was out of the ordinary, they say it must have been during the 70's...

I am me, I am free | 06-17-2009 11:07 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by madfranks (Post 1775316) I'm sorry but I agree with DA1984 on this one. Taking a rifle out of a closet to clean is not the same thing as what is being discussed in this thread, which is a product that helps you keep a loaded gun, be it a rifle, shotgun or handgun, ready and accessible at the bedside. Reality is you are not always in that bedroom with the gun, and you are not always 100% watching your 3 yr old child. What if you went to the restroom, or went to grab the mail, or noticed a burning pot on the oven and your 3 yr old managed to get into your room while you weren't watching? As stated previously, there is no 3 yr old who fully contemplates the magnitude of pulling a trigger on a loaded firearm. If you did keep loaded guns easily accessible to a 3 yr old, then you are indeed lucky to have not had an accidental discharge from their hands.
The Model 37 next to my bed did not have a round chambered, so it wasn't simply a matter of pulling the trigger to get a discharge. For those who don't know, the Model 37 lacks a disconnector which makes it lightning fast to get a shot off with an unloaded chamber, which is why my current pump is a Model 12. I think that many of you people are way too heavily influenced by tv, as well as allowing the tv demon to heavily influence your children. Children taught at a very young age to respect guns will leave them alone. It only took a single session to gunproof my kids by showing them the extreme violence which guns are capable of. They went from eagerly wanting to shoot the gun to not wanting anything to do with guns at all in an instant.

Heimdhal | 06-17-2009 11:08 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Im a stay at home dad to my 1 1/2 year old daughter. I have guns in the house; I have my shotgun next to my bed. At this point in time, I do NOT feel comfortable leaving it there with a round in the chamber, but I have no problem leaving it there inert with the mag loaded. All that is then needed is a quick pump and you're good to go. My daughter is too young to pump the gun, obviously. I also have a .45 ready to go, but it is up way out reach for her, for now. I feel that ANYBODY that lives in your house with you, wife, in laws, parents, kids, etc, needs to know how to operate and function every firearm that you own. They dont need to be a crack shot or anything, but they better damn well know the basic gun saftey rules, how to check it, how to unload it etc. But leaving a loaded gun where it is EASILY accesable to a child under three is just plain ignorant and in many states a felony. A gun in the safe does no good when you need it, and an unloaded gun is just an expensive hammer, but thinking its ok to have a loaded shot gun where your 2 year old can get to it is dumb. I have seen you post lots of BS before Suk, and some other things I've agreed with, this isnt one of them. Theres a difference between a 4-5 year old knowing about guns and a leaving a loaded shotty where a 1-2 year old can get to it.

DA1984 | 06-17-2009 11:14 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1775296) IF you actually think this way, then YOU are an idiot plain and simple, and have never been in a real storm. It is clear you are not fully informed yet in your arrogance you think you are. When I was 11 years old every single one of the rifles and shotguns in our house (there were at least 8 at any given time) were hanging completely unlocked in racks in my bedroom and a couple were kept loaded. City folk neither appreciate nor understand country folks who live day and night with guns.
Its your arrogance that makes you think that you can control your environment so completely that you and those in your domain are safe simply because you say so and intend to do right. I agree that education is important for your children, but kids are kids because they do not have the same capacity as adults. BTW, anecdotal evidence is not paramount to a logical argument. Furthermore, it is really not that difficult to have a small handgun safe with an electronic lock next to the bed. It takes about 10 seconds to get into on of these safes and it allows you to properly assess the situation before you start shooting, which is equally, if not more important than have the weapon immediately available, it might even save you from shooting someone who you do not intend to.

Shasta Gold | 06-17-2009 11:30 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by DA1984 (Post 1775356) handgun safe with an electronic lock
"Hi there, rapist, would you mind waiting while I get a new battery for my safe, so I can open it, retrieve my weapon, and shoot you in a minute?"

DA1984 | 06-17-2009 11:38 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasta Gold (Post 1775383) "Hi there, rapist, would you mind waiting while I get a new battery for my safe, so I can open it, retrieve my weapon, and shoot you in a minute?"
I can't help it if you don't maintain your safe lock by changing the battery frequently. That's like never changing your furnace filter and wondering one day why you are so hot or cold. Often those you just want to argue have no real argument at all.

Shasta Gold | 06-17-2009 11:43 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by DA1984 (Post 1775397) I can't help it if you don't maintain your safe lock by changing the battery frequently.
"Hello, home invader, I bought this Chinese-made electronic gun lock on the advice of DA1984, but the cheap-ass electronics are fried. I can't get my gun out, so could you come back some other time?" http://www.hotcreative.co.nz/images/...adeInChina.gif

St. Germain | 06-17-2009 11:46 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasta Gold (Post 1775383) "Hi there, rapist, would you mind waiting while I get a new battery for my safe, so I can open it, retrieve my weapon, and shoot you in a minute?"
It is a sad reality - but I have just learned to live with the fact that these crazy women will occasionally break in and take advantage of me. I do it to keep the rest of you safe. Your welcome.

Heimdhal | 06-17-2009 11:46 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by DA1984 (Post 1775397) I can't help it if you don't maintain your safe lock by changing the battery frequently. That's like never changing your furnace filter and wondering one day why you are so hot or cold. Often those you just want to argue have no real argument at all.
Ill take it a step further and say that if a person can get into your house and into a position to immediatley hurt you before you have become aware, sleeping or not, then you have not secured your property properly. Im not saying its impossible for a buglar/rapist to do such, Im just saying steps should be taken way before hand to make sure that damn near every point of entry is secured at least enough to give you forewarning. This is one great thing that alarms do. Piezo sirens hooked up to points of entry in lue of a integrated alarm would be a good alternative. That should give damn near anyone enough time to get their gun, and get into a position to defend/investigate, even if they have an electronic handgun safe on their nightstand. Most electronic handgun safes can also be opened just as quickly if the batteries are dead, if not, get a different safe.

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DA1984 | 06-17-2009 11:46 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Shasta G? Who said anything about cheap china electronics? Who are you arguing with? At least have a purpose to what you say, otherwise it just comes off as Troll-Like.

HomesteadHarry | 06-17-2009 11:51 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Toddlers around unsecured firearms sounds like chlorine in the gene pool.

I am me, I am free | 06-17-2009 11:54 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? It's amazing how many posts on this thread are a reflection of the extreme idiocy this culture has become. Some of you people act like guns just popped into existence in the recent past. lol The fact is, anyone with the money could mail order a Thompson subgun right out of the Sears catalog prior to the passage of the NFA. This complete radical shift in perception has been foisted upon you. And based upon some of the posts on this thread, some of you are unable to act or think in anyway which is contrary to what the matrix wants you to. Rather than taking historical fact into consideration some of you run the program the programmers have exposed you to in order to get you to act and think the way the programmers want you to. One prominent element of this programming is that everyone is just too fukking stupid to make their own life decisions and therefore the state must compel certain behavior. Buncha collectivists.

I am me, I am free | 06-17-2009 11:55 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasta Gold (Post 1775410) "Hello, home invader, I bought this Chinese-made electronic gun lock on the advice of DA1984, but the cheap-ass electronics are fried. I can't get my gun out, so could you come back some other time?"
When one needs a gun, one needs it now!

St. Germain | 06-17-2009 11:57 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? To each their own. Not being an ahole, just want you, and yours, to be safe.

I am me, I am free | 06-18-2009 12:01 AM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Toddlers around unsecured firearms sounds like chlorine in the gene pool.
Here's a perfect example of the collectivist mindset, i.e. "you're just too stupid to make your own life decisions or even educate your children on your own" as foisted upon us by the collectivists. As if one is unable to make the distinction between leaving a fully loaded S&W revolver with a finely tuned trigger or a cocked and locked SA pistol out in the open on a table and leaving an uncocked yet magazine loaded 12 ga pump in a semi-secreted out of sight location. Then there's also the matter of who's been programming your children, because it's not that difficult to gunproof kids.

Shasta Gold | 06-18-2009 12:06 AM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by DA1984 (Post 1775419) Shasta G? Who said anything about cheap china electronics? Who are you arguing with? At least have a purpose to what you say, otherwise it just comes off as Troll-Like.
You want people to be STUPID enough to trust an "electronic" safe for defense of life and limb. An electronic safe with innards made in China, where "quality control" is a foreign concept. I'll trust making my kids gun-safe.

DA1984 | 06-18-2009 12:10 AM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1775441) It's amazing how many posts on this thread are a reflection of the extreme idiocy this culture has become. Some of you people act like guns just popped into existence in the recent past. lol The fact is, anyone with the money could mail order a Thompson subgun right out of the Sears catalog prior to the passage of the NFA. This complete radical shift in perception has been foisted upon you. And based upon some of the posts on this thread, some of you are unable to act or think in anyway which is contrary to what the matrix wants you to. Rather than taking historical fact into consideration some of you run the program the programmers have exposed you to in order to get you to act and think the way the programmers want you to. One prominent element of this programming is that everyone is just too fukking stupid to make their own life decisions and therefore the state must compel certain behavior. Buncha collectivists.
This is such bull: Let me get this straight, You are much smarter and more independent thinking than everyone else because you are not constrained by the same environmental factors as everyone else? Furthermore, if anyone tells you differently, then it is only because they are constrained by the media and the social environment and cannot see the forest from the trees, but you can (god-like, isn't it). Thus, no matter what, you are right and everyone else, unless they agree with you in which case they are enlightened like you, is wrong. I just think you are reckless and irresponsible for leaving a loaded, even without a round chambered, weapon where a 3 year old has access to it and you have yet to make a logical and thoughtful argument supported by anything but one that relies on anecdotes and randomness. Oh crap, I just ran the program that the programmers wanted me too, ha ha ha. Get a grip.

StrawMan=Corporation | 06-18-2009 12:17 AM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Sorry I was thinking out loud but not clearly. #1 It should have read "Not if you have an Autistic child and live in a nanny state that threatens to toss you in prison if the child gets ahold of the gun". Yes I own a electronic pistol vault as well but I honestly don't trust it. When one has to defend your family and livestock from Bears and Mountain lions we do what we can while still under the thumb of a nanny state. Thinking seriously about moving to Montana or somewhere better than California. Besides being in a state that borders a ocean wont be a good idea come 2012. Gun guy talks about guns with kids in the house. You Tube
You Tube
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasta Gold (Post 1774815) Why not? My kids have been gun safe since 5 years old.

I am me, I am free | 06-18-2009 12:18 AM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by DA1984 (Post 1775470) This is such bull: Let me get this straight, You are much smarter and more independent thinking than everyone else because you are not constrained by the same environmental factors as everyone else?
Although that is your own subjective perspective, I essentially have no issues with it except for the part where you say I'm smarter than everyone else. lol Quote:
Furthermore, if anyone tells you differently, then it is only because they are constrained by the media and the social environment and cannot see the forest from the trees, but you can.
Now you're getting it. Quote:
(god-like, isn't it).
Yes, and it's a huge responsibility, as in full liability. Have you ever seen the movie Bruce Almighty? Quote:
Thus, no matter what, you are right and everyone else, unless they agree with you in which case they are enlightened like you, is wrong.
Again, your subjective perception from where you sit, in the employ of the corporate state as a higher ranking agent of the corporate state and therefore a collectivist, pushing disarmament in the form of "Lock up your guns! in order to keep the children safe!" lol Quote:
I just think you are reckless and irresponsible for leaving a loaded, even without a round chambered, weapon were a 3 year old has access to it and you have yet to make a logical and thoughtful argument supported by anything but one that relies on anecdot and randomness. Oh crap, I just ran the program that the programmers wanted me too, ha ha ha. Get a grip.
You lack historical perspective. lol

DA1984 | 06-18-2009 12:34 AM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Again, you have no idea how to construct an argument. I really feel embarrassed for you. I was making fun of you and your pseudo-intellectual rambling, but you went ahead and agreed with it all. You think you are somehow special and that you are a island and thus entitled by way of thinking that you can control everything. Here is a wake up call: You are just the same as the rest of us, no better, no worse and you are not in control of anything. Do whatever you want, I don't want to stop you or protect you, I just don't want others getting hurt because of your inability to perceive. That is my only concern. This is the 2nd time you said I lack historical perspective and I have no idea what you are talking about but I would guess you won't explain since you probably don't know either and it is just an attempt to sound cryptic in order to foster the incorrect perception that you are more intelligent than you are and that people just don't get it because they are not smart enough. duh.

immanti | 06-18-2009 12:37 AM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Honestly, I would probably not leave a loaded weapon anywhere if I thought young children could get to it. That said, if someone wants to take those chances with their own family, it is ridiculous to propose anyone, even a majority, should be able to stop them. Making it a crime to do so is beyond ridiculous. Parents choose to do all kinds of things with their own children that many other parents would deem too risky; throwing them up in the air, spinning them around, letting them ride dirt bikes at 6, teaching them to shoot a gun at 4, or throwing them in the pool at 6 months of age. If there ever was a case where the following applies, it is children: To each, their own.

morganchaser | 06-18-2009 04:00 AM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by EireGoBragh (Post 1774518) Cool.....wonder if they make one for a handgun?
I've got a design that looks like a basic wooden toolbox bolted to the wall through it's "tray." It holds the gun through the trigger guard and is mounted above your head/to the head board. I haven't decided on a retainment mechanism yet but I'm thinking maybe a subway turnstyle style mechanism with high pressure ball bearing detents to make retention nice and solid. Essentially: a bracket made from flat bar stock cut to a <=> shape with the arrows bent at a 90degree angle. Line a row of them up for your entire handgun collection. Ideal for rotating CCW picks.(although I'm not really keen on the idea of confusing the draw with a rotating carry selection)

morganchaser | 06-18-2009 04:28 AM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by DA1984 (Post 1775397) I can't help it if you don't maintain your safe lock by changing the battery frequently. That's like never changing your furnace filter and wondering one day why you are so hot or cold. Often those you just want to argue have no real argument at all.
As a safe/alarm/lock guy: I have a couple thoughts: Thought 1: Securing guns against theft and providing access to a defense firearm where you sleep are virtually mutually exclusive ideas. Products that cater to both do neither well. Thought 2: People choose electronic locks for speed of access. It's the wrong choice. Proper keyed locks are faster and more secure. Leave your car keys in the gun safe lock when you go to sleep. Take the key with you when you leave: problem solved. Unlock when you go to sleep, lock when you wake up. This is assuming you have a different CC piece than you leave on the nightstand. If you use your CC piece you shouldn't need a bed room safe at all except for once in a blue moon.<-Translation: I can't think of a need. Point is: If your bedroom is locked and your gun never leaves your side: what's the safe for? An electronic safe is the wrong means by which to prevent your bedstand gun from being used against you because someone crept up on you. Your bedroom door should be more secure than your front door. It's impossible to secure a house. It's very possible to alarm the hallway outside your room with PIRs or better, and to use a solid door/frame with slam locks, good top/bottom boltwork, and a vending machine quality deadbolt with optional exterior operation. If a lock is used: it should be Abloy Protec. Thought 3: Electronic safe lacks in general are not theft/child resistent. I say this because there are very slim offerings of secure electronic lock products. Kaba-Mass and Mass/Hamilton being one of very few manufacturers worth a damn. Even their products suffer from very serious prior access vulnerabilities. This is beside the main point that consumer grade electronic locks are trash. Rubber Mallet, strong magnet, gravity, 9 volt battery, wire piercing probes, piano wire, UV ink, fingerprint dust, $20 wireless camera. That's a list of tools that will open 100% of consumer grade electronic safes. I neglected the trivial accessories like cordless drills and screwdrivers. Thought 4: All of the above are stated as fact, but there are plenty of opinions mixed in. Nobody is in a better position to judge than yourself. For all of the above reasons: I've never understood the choice of electronic locks on bed side gun safes myself.

I am me, I am free | 06-18-2009 10:33 AM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by DA1984 (Post 1775490) Again, you have no idea how to construct an argument. I really feel embarrassed for you. I was making fun of you and your pseudo-intellectual rambling, but you went ahead and agreed with it all. You think you are somehow special and that you are a island and thus entitled by way of thinking that you can control everything. Here is a wake up call: You are just the same as the rest of us, no better, no worse and you are not in control of anything. Do whatever you want, I don't want to stop you or protect you, I just don't want others getting hurt because of your inability to perceive. That is my only concern. This is the 2nd time you said I lack historical perspective and I have no idea what you are talking about but I would guess you won't explain since you probably don't know either and it is just an attempt to sound cryptic in order to foster the incorrect perception that you are more intelligent than you are and that people just don't get it because they are not smart enough. duh.
Sayeth Agent Smith. lol

I am me, I am free | 06-18-2009 10:44 AM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Only one solution of many for those who have been tricked into disarmament via "Lock up your guns! for the sake of the children!" yet still want to keep their guns handy yet not accessible to their "3 y.o." http://cracklecdn.zoovy.lg1.simplecd.../doorknob5.jpg And it only costs $5. lol

C&L 1911 | 06-18-2009 10:47 AM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1775964) Only one solution of many for those who have been tricked into disarmament via "Lock up your guns! for the sake of the children!" yet still want to keep their guns handy yet not accessible to their "3 y.o." http://cracklecdn.zoovy.lg1.simplecd.../doorknob5.jpg And it only costs $5. lol
Why not just lock up your 3 y.o. in a closet? That'll keep him/her out of trouble? :sarc:

Big Country | 06-18-2009 05:10 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1775964) Only one solution of many for those who have been tricked into disarmament via "Lock up your guns! for the sake of the children!" yet still want to keep their guns handy yet not accessible to their "3 y.o." http://cracklecdn.zoovy.lg1.simplecd.../doorknob5.jpg And it only costs $5. lol
What the heck is that thing? whats it called? What can I search for to find out more about it? Now I totally agree with you in this discussion. I grew up with guns in my house, my father kept a loaded, cocked and locked handgun next to their bed my entire life (i'm 24...so not that long ago). First of all it was a RARE occasion that I was ever in my parents bedroom. Second it was high enough that I couldn't reach it without a ladder (3-5yr old), and third I NEVER EVEN KNEW IT WAS THERE UNTIL I WAS OLD ENOUGH.

I am me, I am free | 06-18-2009 05:29 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Country (Post 1776494) What the heck is that thing? whats it called? What can I search for to find out more about it?
It takes adult hands with enough force to squeeze it in order to grip the door knob to turn it, otherwise it just spins freely. Keywords: child proof or child safe http://www.google.com/search?q=child...ient=firefox-a Quote:
Now I totally agree with you in this discussion. I grew up with guns in my house, my father kept a loaded, cocked and locked handgun next to their bed my entire life (i'm 24...so not that long ago). First of all it was a RARE occasion that I was ever in my parents bedroom. Second it was high enough that I couldn't reach it without a ladder (3-5yr old), and third I NEVER EVEN KNEW IT WAS THERE UNTIL I WAS OLD ENOUGH.
Pretty much the same situation when I was growing up, my Dad kept a loaded 9mm pistol with the hammer down on a chambered round in the bedroom. Didn't know it was there until I was old enough to know to leave it the hell alone or get my butt blistered. Of course those brainwashed by the media these days somehow think that for centuries children couldn't be safely exposed to weapons under the watchful eyes of responsible parents. I reiterate, prior to the NFA in 1934 anyone with the money could mail order a Thompson subgun right out of the Sears catalog, so even minors could conceivably mail order a subgun. Oh! The horror! lol http://www.nfatoys.com/tsmg/images/cowboy.gif

meatman | 06-18-2009 05:34 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1775964) Only one solution of many for those who have been tricked into disarmament via "Lock up your guns! for the sake of the children!" yet still want to keep their guns handy yet not accessible to their "3 y.o." http://cracklecdn.zoovy.lg1.simplecd.../doorknob5.jpg And it only costs $5. lol
Put some food on the other side of the door and within 2 hours my dog will figure how to open it

I am me, I am free | 06-18-2009 06:02 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? Quote:
Originally Posted by meatman (Post 1776529) Put some food on the other side of the door and within 2 hours my dog will figure how to open it
And the moon is made of cheese. What's your point?

DA1984 | 06-18-2009 11:14 PM
Re: How many of you own one of these? "Pretty much the same situation when I was growing up, my Dad kept a loaded 9mm pistol with the hammer down on a chambered round in the bedroom. Didn't know it was there until I was old enough to know to leave it the hell alone or get my butt blistered. Of course those brainwashed by the media these days somehow think that for centuries children couldn't be safely exposed to weapons under the watchful eyes of responsible parents. I reiterate, prior to the NFA in 1934 anyone with the money could mail order a Thompson subgun right out of the Sears catalog, so even minors could conceivably mail order a subgun. Oh! The horror! lol" More anecdotal evidence. Thank You. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

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