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SilverSalmon | 07-09-2008 03:17 AM
30.06 Rifle ? Advice Any recommendations on a rifle that accurately fires the 30.06 cartridge. Saving up for a M1A, but thinking about having a 30.06 in the line up as well. Got start my research now.It Doesn't matter if it's a bolt or semi auto, as it'll be working in conjunction with a M1A. Thanks!

AG Capone | 07-09-2008 07:58 AM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Get a Remington model 700. I've been eye balling the Sako and Howa brands. Good price and quality. Other options: If you really want to spend some money get something European. It may not shoot any better at all, but you can brag to all of your friends. Blaser R93 comes to mind. A Garand wouldn't be all that bad I guess. Big, heavy, won a huge war, and shoots a heavy round. Dealing with the clips may piss you off and the scope attachment point gets low reviews in my book. I know people swear by them, but I'd rather have a bolt action to shoot 30-06, so I do.

SilverSalmon | 07-09-2008 08:06 AM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Yeah, I keep hearing Rem 700. How bout the M1 Garand?

Tn...Andy | 07-09-2008 08:07 AM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice I'd second the Rem700. Get the "mountain rifle" version with the synthetic stock and black barrel. Add a decent 3x9 50mm scope ( which will probably cost more than the rifle ) and you have a real weapon.

SilverSalmon | 07-09-2008 08:09 AM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1183216) I'd second the Rem700. Get the "mountain rifle" version with the synthetic stock and black barrel. Add a decent 3x9 50mm scope ( which will probably cost more than the rifle ) and you have a real weapon.
Which brand scope Leu?

eat_beef | 07-09-2008 08:33 AM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Weaver also makes a good scope, at about half the price of a Leupold. BTW, if you're going to get an M14 clone, why not get a bolt gun in 308, so they can share food? Just a thought. There's not a whole lot of difference in a 308 and an 06. As to the M1a, check out www.m14tfl.com and www.ar15.com they list used one all the time, and you can save several hundred bucks off new.

TLM | 07-09-2008 08:37 AM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice I used to have Winchester Model 70 30.06. It was a better shooter than I was. Some of the old Winchesters are going for big bucks, you could get a new or newer Remington for the same $'s.

CoinNut | 07-09-2008 08:50 AM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice In my youth, my grandfather gave and taught me how to use a "Springfield" rifle,(Now long since gone) bolt action. Was simple, accurate, "unbreakable" and never misfired:s1:.........

AceNZ | 07-09-2008 08:51 AM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice I like the Winchester Model 70 Featherweight, with the blued barrel. Add a good scope and you have an accurate, durable, reliable rifle that's also comfortable to carry long distances if needed. I owned one for many years; it's a wonderful rifle. I've heard they can be a little hard to find these days, but they age well; a used one should be fine for most people. The low weight increases recoil, but by the time you're shooting a .30-06 hopefully that isn't a problem.

SilverSalmon | 07-09-2008 08:59 AM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Quote:
Originally Posted by eat_beef (Post 1183241) Weaver also makes a good scope, at about half the price of a Leupold. BTW, if you're going to get an M14 clone, why not get a bolt gun in 308, so they can share food? Just a thought. There's not a whole lot of difference in a 308 and an 06. As to the M1a, check out www.m14tfl.com and www.ar15.com they list used one all the time, and you can save several hundred bucks off new.
Great point and great advice, Thanks! I hear 30.06 gives you a little more reach out and touch someone ( Boston T. Party Gun Bible, reading it now). But I guess it's negligible as you said. Maybe the bolt Re .308 is the way. i do abhor keeping so much different ammo. Great advice and thanks again! Still researching!

EE_ | 07-09-2008 09:21 AM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice New Model 70's are being produced http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodin...y.asp?cat=001C http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodin...item=535102228

Camp Bassfish | 07-09-2008 09:56 AM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Take a look at the Weatherby SUB MOA 30-06. Shot .117" average groups at 100 yards in Field & Stream testing. Beat the others by 2x the accuracy. Composite stock, stainless barrel make it an easy to care for weapon too.

wallew | 07-09-2008 12:09 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Sako's are excellent rifles. Their price reflects that. HOWA on the other hand is also a great rifle. The cost is much lower. And it's made in the same Japanese factory as current Weatherby's are made in. On the same line. One day it's Howa, the next Weatherby. Or the next week. Or whenever the order for a new run of either comes in. M1 Garand was called the 'best battle rifle ever made' by George Patton. I also own a Rem 700 BDL, heavy barrel in .308. Has a Burris Signature series 3 - 10x scope on it. It shoots better than I can see, specifically out past distances that I can't make things out with, even with the scope. Don't forget a Harris bipod if you choose a bolt action. Though in all honesty, they will also fit any rifle with a sling swivel stud.

SilverCity | 07-09-2008 12:22 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice 1 Attachment(s) And just for grins how about one of these ugly things:

Tn...Andy | 07-09-2008 02:07 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSalmon (Post 1183218) Which brand scope Leu?
Leupolds are great scopes, but very pricey. Something in a 3x9-50mm is probably going to run in the 7-900 buck range. I have a Bushnell on mine for about 250 bucks. I used Leupolds, and honestly, I just don't see 500 bucks difference in the view. The 50mm IS the way to go, IMHO.....the difference between a 40 or 44mm and the 50 is hard to describe until you look in it a near dawn or dusk conditions....you can look couple hundred yard into what appears to be a dark spot ( like under tree cover ), then look in the scope, and it appears like daylight..... Also, a thought about .308 vs 30.06......even though it might mean stocking different caliber rounds, you might find it worth it. Every country store in America that sells ammo, I guarantee you can find a box of 30.06 on the shelf. Also, if you get into reloading, same .30 cal bullet can be loaded in the both, can also same powder, same primers.....so only the brass is different. Means two sets of dies, but so what......

buff01 | 07-09-2008 03:44 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice If you're going to get a M1A, why not stick with .308? There's no reason to over complicate things. Rem 700 comes in this caliber too.

the toxic avenger | 07-09-2008 07:01 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice IMHO you can't beat a Savage 110 for the money. They're as accurate right out of the box as rifles priced much much higher. If I already had an M1A, I'd go with a Savage 110 Tactical in .308. I have a 110 in .30-06 but it shares eats with my Remington 1903A3.

Tn...Andy | 07-09-2008 07:05 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Got a Savage in 22-250.....real tack driver. Stainless and bull barrel.....4x24 scope. Many groundhogs have bit the dust on the other end.

mtnman | 07-09-2008 07:59 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Check the Civilian Marksmanship Program for some good prices on Garands and soon they'll have some 03's. They've got carbines right now also. http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/index.htm

SilverSalmon | 07-09-2008 10:35 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1184287) Check the Civilian Marksmanship Program for some good prices on Garands and soon they'll have some 03's. They've got carbines right now also. http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/index.htm
yep been looking at em, kinda expensive for such an older gun, but can accept that.

Lt Dan | 07-09-2008 11:35 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSalmon (Post 1183271) ( Boston T. Party Gun Bible, reading it now).
Yup! Read the Bible long time back and went out and bought the M1 Garand. Now have 3 and an M1a as well, but, if you plan on the M1a than maybe forgo the Garands and buy a Rem 700 in .308. Side note; surplus ammo is getting expensive for the M1a, while you can still buy CMP '06 ammo at a bargain. Don't plan on feeding commercial hunting ammo to your M1a, the primers and brass need to be mil-spec. At the very least, if you must use commercial brass, use hardened primers and reload. Also reloading for semi-auto is not the same as reloading for a bolt gun.

SAUM | 07-10-2008 01:10 AM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice I think my Burris has better resolution than my Leupold. The Burris is on my 7MM and the Leupold is on my 22-250. I don't shoot the big rifle as much, but so far the Burris is holding up to the recoil. I don't think I'll spend the extra cash on a Leupold again

AZLiberty | 07-11-2008 05:16 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSalmon (Post 1184461) yep been looking at em, kinda expensive for such an older gun, but can accept that.
You have no clue what you are talking about. The CMP prices are a heck of a deal, and easily a couple hundred below nominal street value on an M1. Nothing wrong with old, I have 100 year old firearms that are more accurate than most modern rifles.

<SLV> | 07-11-2008 05:56 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice 1 Attachment(s) My .30-06setup: Tikka T3 Lite (synthetic/blued) with Harris swivel bipod and Nikkon Monarch 4-12x42 w/BDC reticle.

SilverSalmon | 07-12-2008 08:52 AM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Quote:
Originally Posted by AZLiberty (Post 1187781) You have no clue what you are talking about. The CMP prices are a heck of a deal, and easily a couple hundred below nominal street value on an M1. Nothing wrong with old, I have 100 year old firearms that are more accurate than most modern rifles.
I already admitted that, I love old rifles, but If I can get a M1A for near 1,300 i wouldn't buy a Garand for 700. That's all. If I can fine a 300 Garand, that's a different story.

<SLV> | 07-12-2008 12:04 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSalmon (Post 1188573) I already admitted that, I love old rifles, but If I can get a M1A for near 1,300 i wouldn't buy a Garand for 700. That's all. If I can fine a 300 Garand, that's a different story.
In just a couple years you won't find a Garand for under $1,000. It is on my wish list.

SilverSalmon | 07-12-2008 12:08 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1188768) In just a couple years you won't find a Garand for under $1,000. It is on my wish list.
hummm, Better get one! Damn this an addictive hobby. Sh*t!!!!!

Black Blade | 07-12-2008 05:44 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSalmon (Post 1183055) Any recommendations on a rifle that accurately fires the 30.06 cartridge. Saving up for a M1A, but thinking about having a 30.06 in the line up as well. Got start my research now. It Doesn't matter if it's a bolt or semi auto, as it'll be working in conjunction with a M1A. Thanks!
That's easy - Remmington BDL 700. http://www.remingtonpro.com/DisplayPic.aspx?PIC=51493 Cheap (inexpensive), common (no lack of parts) and accurate enough to be used by more hunters over many decades than any other 30.06 rifle available.

Lt Dan | 07-12-2008 07:49 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSalmon (Post 1188573) I already admitted that, I love old rifles, but If I can get a M1A for near 1,300 i wouldn't buy a Garand for 700. That's all. If I can fine a 300 Garand, that's a different story.
Good luck finding any worth while M1 Garand for less than $700 at a gun store. I paid less for all of mine, but then that was then, now unless you go to the CMP where you'll find rack, field and service grades, plus collector grade. For your first you should get the service grade for $595 and be very happy. Buy a lesser rifle and expect some TLC. I paid $600 for my first at a gun show and less then $500 for the others. One was a rack grade that needed a stock but the barrel and throat were in great shape, just a little pitting underneath the stock on the receiver. It did break a firing pin the last time out, but I had one in my kit. A few minutes down time and right back to rocking. Actually I had bought it for a spare parts rifle, but after seeing the ME & TE so low I just had to give it a new stock. About $150 - $200 in upgrades and modifications and replacing some parts and it's now my favorite. If you're dead set on the $1,300 M1a and .308 bolt gun then just save up and get it, if you're like me you'll end up with the M1a someday anyway, may as well be first. I paid $1,400 for mine, but I got the match grade.

wille | 07-12-2008 07:53 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1183216) I'd second the Rem700. Get the "mountain rifle" version with the synthetic stock and black barrel. Add a decent 3x9 50mm scope ( which will probably cost more than the rifle ) and you have a real weapon.
Why not the stainless Andy?

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AceNZ | 07-12-2008 08:48 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice I'm surprised that there isn't more support for the Model 70 here. I prefer it to the Rem 700, although that's a debate that's been going on for several decades now. They are both excellent rifles. My reasons for preferring the Model 70 include: -- Better ejector and extractor system; less likely to jam or mis-feed -- Much less dirt-sensitive than the Rem 700 -- Integral recoil lug (more stable attachment of the barrel to the stock) -- Excellent, simple, reliable and adjustable trigger -- Superior safety (bolt lock, firing pin lock) The Classic Model 70 is considered by many to be one of the best bolt-action rifles ever made. It's not the most accurate rifle available, but it is probably the most reliable -- and for self-defense purposes, reliability trumps accuracy every time. I'm not saying the accuracy is bad, but the Rem 700 and others might have a small edge on that side of things (although I've heard Rem is having consistency issues in their barrel production). Regarding stainless vs. blued or black: the issue is the reflectiveness of the barrel. If you're shooting from cover, the last thing you need is having a light reflect off of the barrel that will give your location away. You can have stainless barrels treated with blacking / bluing agents, but I don't have any personal experience with that.

Tn...Andy | 07-12-2008 09:49 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Quote:
Originally Posted by wille (Post 1189453) Why not the stainless Andy?
What Ace said right above here......but it would be fine if you spray paint it with a coat of BBQ flat black......

nub | 07-12-2008 10:36 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Quote:
Originally Posted by the toxic avenger (Post 1184194) IMHO you can't beat a Savage 110 for the money. They're as accurate right out of the box as rifles priced much much higher. If I already had an M1A, I'd go with a Savage 110 Tactical in .308. I have a 110 in .30-06 but it shares eats with my Remington 1903A3.
If I get a 308 the Savage is what I will buy, seems to be a good reasonably priced rifle.

Black Blade | 07-12-2008 10:57 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Everyone has an opinion on rifles and handguns. Here's another rundown on rifles and yet another opinion: http://kissata.homestead.com/RifleEvaluations.html

<SLV> | 07-12-2008 10:59 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Savage is great, but for another $50 you can have a Tikka which is made by Sako. The bolt is as smooth as butter and it doesn't have that annoying "accu-trigger" safety device (it does, however, have an udjustable trigger).

nub | 07-13-2008 12:24 AM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1189731) Savage is great, but for another $50 you can have a Tikka which is made by Sako. The bolt is as smooth as butter and it doesn't have that annoying "accu-trigger" safety device (it does, however, have an udjustable trigger).
I'm in CA.....any suggestions where to buy online and will a have shipping problems.

<SLV> | 07-14-2008 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by nub (Post 1189852) I'm in CA.....any suggestions where to buy online and will a have shipping problems.
$480 delivered: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/80566 You should be able to buy a Tikka locally because it is a bolt gun with only a 3-round mag.

still afloat | 07-16-2008 10:39 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1191843) $480 delivered: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/80566 You should be able to buy a Tikka locally because it is a bolt gun with only a 3-round mag.
Bud's is a great shop , easy to deal with , good selection and honest . No connection to them except I live @ 15 min away and visit a few times a year or more .

Brent | 07-16-2008 10:59 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice It's not 30.06 but I am completely in love with my M1A. The thing is just so fracking awesome. You have 20 rounds, semi-auto, incredible accuracy, reliability, and of course it just looks scary. I couldn't be more happy except that I paid about 150-200 FRN's to much for it although I will forgive myself for that as it was my first gun purchase ever. How naive I was to think that if I just bought (what I thought at the time) was the best rifle available I wouldn't want to buy anymore. BIG mistake. After that first gun it becomes an addictive hobby. :D Anyways, like I said I would whole heartedly recommend the M1A. I have only had it for less than 6 months but I have very few complaints OTHER than putting a scope mount on it can be a pain in the ass.

917601 | 07-16-2008 11:33 PM
Re: 30.06 Rifle ? Advice Being an owner of most guns stated-my favorite, the Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in 30.06-is really no longer practical with today's easier to find .308 ammo.NATO rounds are .308 and I know of no other country using 30.06. Unless you reload your own,stick with .308. Should (when) shortages surface, civil unrest, military getting involved-I am sure fellow Americans would "relieve" them of their ammo as they pursue their illegal activities. Of course, most ammo is .223, so purchase an AR, Mini-14......, likewise with 9MM.

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