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JJ_ | 03-31-2008 12:50 PM
"Some" info on the coming AK shortage If this is true... Im pretty bummed about it... Im not in a position where I can just run out and purchase weps on a whim.... He's apparently out of the milled Yugo's that I had been eyeballing:banghead: The caps are his - not mine http://www.classicarms.us/ WHAT IS GOING ON WITH AK RIFLES?. THE AK RIFLE MARKET HAS BEEN CRAZY OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, AND FOR GOOD REASON. I HAVE KNOWN WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE THAT HAS CREATED THIS SITUATION BUT WAS NOT AT LIBERTY TO POST AN EXPLIANATION UNTIL NOW. I HAVE CORRECTED THE STORY BELOW FROM MY FIRST DRAFT AS NEW INFORMATION HAS COME TO LIGHT. BUT THE END RESULT FOR US IS THE SAME. THE IMPORTATION OF INEXPENSIVE AK TYPE RIFLES FROM ROMAINIA APPEARS TO BE OVER. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED AS I NOW UNDERSTAND IT. THE MAIN SOURCE OF AK RIFLES INTO THE U.S. OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS HAS BEEN THE COUNTRY OF ROMAINIA AND PARTICULLARLY THE CUGIR FACTORY WHICH WAS A STATE RAN MANUFACTURING PLANT. THEY HAD CONTRACTS WITH THE IMPORTERS HERE AND WERE BUILDING AK RILES FOR EXPORT TO THE CIVILIAN U.S. MARKET. OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS THEY HAVE SHIPPED THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF AK RIFLES INTO THE U.S. FOR SOME TIME ROMAINIA HAD DESIRED AND BEEN PETITIONING TO BECOME A NATO MEMBER NATION. ONE OF THIER ROADBLOCKS HAD BEEN THE FACT THAT THEY HAD BEEN PRODUCING LOW PRICED AK RIFLES FOR EXPORT ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY TO THE U.S. CIVILIAN MARKET. I AM TOLD THAT THE POWERS THAT BE IN WASHINGTON HAD MADE IT CLEAR THAT AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUED THIS FOR PROFIT "PROLIFERATION" OF AK RIFLES INTO THE U.S. THAT THE U.S. WOULD CONTINUE TO OPPOSE THEIR ENTRY INTO NATO. FINALLY IN 2004 THEY WERE GRANTED PROBATIONARY MEMBER NATION STATUS TO NATO BUT WITH THE TENTATIVE AGREEMENT THAT THEY WOULD CEASE FLOODING THE MARKET WITH INEXPENSIVE AK RIFLES. AS SOON AS THEY ACHIEVED NATO MEMBERSHIP THE GOVERNMENT "PRIVATIZED" THE FACTORY AND WITHDREW SUBSIDIZED SUPPORT. APPARENTLY THE ROMAINIAN GOV'T ALLOWED PRIVATE MANAGEMENT TO TAKE OVER THE FACTORY AND CONTINUE PRODUCTION FOR SOME TIME WHILE CLAIMING THAT SINCE THE FACTORY WAS NOW PRIVATELY OWNED THEY HAD NO CONTROL OVER SHUTTING THEM DOWN. STILL THE SALES OF THESE RIFLES HAUNTED THEM ON THE POLITICAL FRONT AND THE PRIVATIZATION AND MISMANAGEMENT THAT FOLLOWED MADE THE BUSINESS LESS AND LESS PROFITABLE . STILL, THEY CONTINUED TO BUILD FOR A LONG TIME SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY NEEDED THE CASH FLOW THAT THE SALES OF THE RIFLES PROVIDED. THAT IS UNTIL RECENTLY. LATE LAST YEAR A MAJOR AUTOMOBILE MANUFACTURER SET UP A NEW FACTORY IN ROMAINIA. THEY COULD NOT DO ALL OF THE WORK IN HOUSE AND DECIDED TO JOBBER OUT BUILDS ON SOME OF THEIR STEEL PARTS TO A NEARBY FACTORY. WHEN CUGIR WAS APPROACHED WITH THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RE-TOOL AND MAKE AUTO PARTS INSTEAD OF RIFLES THEY JUMPED AT IT. IT SOLVED THEIR POLITICAL DELIMMA WHILE ALLOWING THEM TO MAINTAIN A REVENUE FLOW, AND ATTACH THEMSELVES TO A NEW UNDERTAKING THAT HAD ESTABLISHED MANAGEMENT SKILLS. AS OF NOW THE CUGIR FACTORY IS DONE WITH FIREARMS MANUFACTURING AND ALL OF THE ROMAINIAN AK PRODUCTS ARE DRYING UP FAST. ON ANOTHER FRONT. CENTURY ARMS HAS HAD AN ONGOING AND VERY SUCCESSFUL PROJECT WITH THEIR YUGO B-1 AND AB-2 AK BUILD RIFLES. UNFORTUNATELY THERE WERE ONLY A FINITE NUMBER OF KITS TO BUILD THESE RIFLES WITH AND THOSE KITS ARE NOW EXHAUSTED. CENTURY'S YUGO RIFLE PROJECT IS NOW DONE. AS I WRITE THIS WE NOW ARE OUT OF THE UNDERFOLD RIFLES AND ONLY HAVE A FEW OF THE B-1 RIFLES IN STOCK. SO WHAT DOES THE FUTURE HOLD?. MY EDUCATED GUESS IS THAT WE WILL SOON SEE SOME U.S. MADE AK RIFLES COMING TO THE MARKET. BY THAT I DON'T MEAN ENOUGH PARTS TO BE U.S. COMPLIANT, BUT COMPLETELY MADE IN THE UNITEDS STATES. THE PROBLEM IS THAT SINCE NO MORE PART SETS CAN BE IMPORTED INTO THE COUNTRY WITH BARRELS INTACT, AND SINCE THERE AREN'T THAT MANY PARTS SETS LEFT HERE WITH BARRELS, THEN ANY NEW BUILDS WILL ALSO HAVE TO HAVE U.S. BARRELS. COMBINE THAT WITH ADDITIONAL U.S. PARTS, FURNITURE AND U.S. LABOR. AND YOU HAVE A VERY EXPENSIVE U.S. MADE AK RIFLE. I WOULD ALSO GUESS THAT MOST IF NOT ALL OF THESE RIFLES WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF POLY STOCK SINCE WOOD STOCKS MADE IN THE U.S. WOULD BE COST PROHIBITIVE. UNFORTUATELY WHEN THESE LAST IMPORTS SELL OUT I REALLY THINK THE DAYS OF THE INEXPENSIVE AK RIFLE ARE GONE. NONE OF THIS TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE CURRENT POLITICAL CLIMATE AND THE FACT THAT WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE A STRONG PRO-GUN CANDIDATE LEFT IN THE RACE. THIS TOO DOES NOT BODE WELL FOR THE FUTURE OF THESE TYPES OF RIFLES.

Mumwaldee | 03-31-2008 12:58 PM
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JJ_ | 03-31-2008 01:05 PM
Re: "Some" info on the coming AK shortage thats exzachery wut I'm looking fer.. In fact I want 2!!

Codger | 03-31-2008 01:11 PM
Re: "Some" info on the coming AK shortage It seems odd to me that the most prolific firearm in the history of the world is in short supply...We'll find them someplace.

Mumwaldee | 03-31-2008 01:13 PM
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SilverCity | 03-31-2008 01:25 PM
Re: "Some" info on the coming AK shortage 1 Attachment(s) Made a recent trip to J&G Sales in Prescott to check out some of their AKs first hand...and walked away empty handed. I did not care for the quality of the ones I saw. Bulgarian SSR85C--excellent quality, although salesman said they were converted from single stack, mag wells were hogged out to accept double stack...magazine fit was sloppy. Very disappointed. Passed on it. Polish Tantal 5.45--CAI import, looked very clean, but wobbly folding stock, barrels are not chrome-lined....passed. Hungarian AMD65--very clean, cool looking, but hated the stock and since the receiver will not allow for installation of conventional buttstock...passed on that one too. I don't care for the stock on the Yugo underfolder--loose, poor cheekweld, barrel not chrome-lined...passed on them as well. They did not have the Cetme advertised in their new catalogue--hadn't arrived yet. Ditto on the WASR-2s... I looked at a few other models they had for sale, but ended up walking out. A week later I went to the Tucson show an picked up a Lancaster Consulting AK for a good price. I like the overall quality much better than anything I saw at J&G, though I paid a little more. Looks like this:

bsdetector | 04-01-2008 09:12 AM
Re: "Some" info on the coming AK shortage No shortage of these ... http://home.austin.rr.com/perdurabo/sks.jpg

Goldfinger | 04-01-2008 01:53 PM
Re: "Some" info on the coming AK shortage Gee thanks JJ, like I needed another excuse to buy another AK...:D

Big_Rob | 04-01-2008 02:11 PM
Re: "Some" info on the coming AK shortage Heh, I just called my wife to tell her we might be investing in an AK47 this weekend.

Stonewall | 04-01-2008 02:33 PM
Re: "Some" info on the coming AK shortage Here is a milled underfolder on gunbroker.com: http://gunbroker.net/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=96096467 Arsenal builds a fine AK. Another option to be considered if a milled AK is unavaiable is a Galil. Galil AR, ARM, an MR parts kits are still floating around and recievers are avaiable from a few different shops, including century arms. Great forum you have here guys!

Twisted Avatar | 04-01-2008 02:42 PM
Re: "Some" info on the coming AK shortage Another fiream in the house is NEVER a bad thing T

Big_Rob | 04-01-2008 02:44 PM
Re: "Some" info on the coming AK shortage Are the Romanian AK WASR variants any good?

SilverCity | 04-01-2008 02:58 PM
Re: "Some" info on the coming AK shortage Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Rob (Post 1039388) Are the Romanian AK WASR variants any good?
They are a little rough, but if you check them for snug fit gas tube, magazine fit, and front sight straightness, you can find one that is very serviceable. I would buy one at a good price that met this criteria. Century Arms also has good customer service if you need help.

JJ_ | 04-01-2008 05:40 PM
Re: "Some" info on the coming AK shortage Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonewall (Post 1039366) Here is a milled underfolder on gunbroker.com: http://gunbroker.net/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=96096467 Arsenal builds a fine AK. Another option to be considered if a milled AK is unavaiable is a Galil. Galil AR, ARM, an MR parts kits are still floating around and recievers are avaiable from a few different shops, including century arms. Great forum you have here guys!
That one is sexy fine .. the buy now price is not... too rich for my blood Welcome to the Board Stonewall

elroy | 04-04-2008 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bsdetector (Post 1038672) No shortage of these ... http://home.austin.rr.com/perdurabo/sks.jpg
Where would a guy find an SKS that uses AK mags?

wallew | 04-07-2008 11:34 AM
Re: "Some" info on the coming AK shortage From a buddy of mine in Germany... "Thanks to the assistance of a member on another Board who called the Cugir factory the actual situation is now known. Due to the security measures for the NATO Summit in Bucharest, NO transportation of weapons is being allowed in Romania which prevents shipments out of the country through the port of constantza or any other shipping point. The Good News is that shipments including WASRs will begin as of April 16th. By end of summer any cut-off decision should be known."

Mumwaldee | 04-07-2008 11:40 AM
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bsdetector | 04-07-2008 06:28 PM
Re: "Some" info on the coming AK shortage Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy (Post 1046651) Where would a guy find an SKS that uses AK mags?
Shotgun News. Its a kit.

Seleukus Nikator | 04-07-2008 09:15 PM
Re: "Some" info on the coming AK shortage been watchin the gun sales game since bush sr put in his import ban. always these "warnings" and a lot of other paranoiac crap, its about one thing: STOKING UP SALES. they know their market-- paranoid white dudes. I am one too so I have to laugh at this. But you get used to it after while and stop buying the hype.

bsdetector | 04-07-2008 09:18 PM
Re: "Some" info on the coming AK shortage That's "paranoid white dudes with fat wallets" to you mister !

Seleukus Nikator | 04-07-2008 09:20 PM
Re: "Some" info on the coming AK shortage Quote:
Originally Posted by bsdetector (Post 1051155) That's "paranoid white dudes with fat wallets" to you mister !
ha. did this story move your "bsdetector?" It did mine.

Mumwaldee | 04-07-2008 11:50 PM
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bsdetector | 04-08-2008 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Seleukus Nikator (Post 1051161) ha. did this story move your "bsdetector?" It did mine.
Sorry, my sensitivity control and range switch was turned way down in a feeble attempt to not overload the meter ... I was dealing with a twoofer at that time.

Mumwaldee | 04-11-2008 05:11 PM
It's working...It's working... .........................

cugir321 | 04-11-2008 11:56 PM
Re: It's working...It's working... Good move....it's not so much that they're going away...it's they're going up in price. Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumwaldee (Post 1057825) It's working....it's working....aaaaah they got me! ..I just ordered an AK... YouTube - Hotels.com Commercial - Guy Pouring Shampoo On His Head

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