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Rebel Yarr | 09-21-2009 11:20 PM
The End Of An Era: Kalashnikov Maker To Seek Bankruptcy Better grab another S12........ http://www.zerohedge.com/article/end...eek-bankruptcy Text of report by Gazprom-owned, editorially independent Russian radio station Ekho Moskvy on 21 September [Presenter] Russia's largest small arms manufacturer, the Izhevsk Mechanical Works [Izhmash], could be declared bankrupt. It became know today that a corresponding petition has been received by the arbitration court of [the Republic of] Udmurtia from the enterprise. Aleksey Gusarov reports. [Correspondent] The Izhmash concern, considered to be the pride of the Russian defence industry, could become unprofitable. The arbitration court of Udmurtia will now study the financial documentation of the joint-stock company. If the results of the court examination recognize the bankruptcy petition as justified, the concern's restructure will begin. Bankruptcy proceedings, should they happen, will help Izhmash rid itself of debt burdens. Moreover, experts do not rule out that a new wave of unemployment will sweep over Udmurtia in this case. I would like to recall that earlier, production came to a halt at the Molot plant [Vyatskiye Polyany Machine Building Plant Molot] in Kirov Region, a part of the Izhmash concern. This largest Kalashnikov assault rifle manufacturer now stands idle. No state order means no money to pay employees, nor to repay debts to creditors. [Presenter] It is expected that Udmurtia's arbitration court will hold a preliminary examination of the Izhmash case on 7 October.

Bx3 | 09-21-2009 11:41 PM
Re: The End Of An Era: Kalashnikov Maker To Seek Bankruptcy The irony of building a product that keeps going and going and going.......:adore:

Real Money Now | 09-21-2009 11:57 PM
Re: The End Of An Era: Kalashnikov Maker To Seek Bankruptcy This is very sad. Izhmash is 202 years old. But capitalism destroys everything of value. I'm glad I didn't buy the Saiga 223...good luck getting parts if someone doesn't keep the plant open.

low_five | 09-22-2009 01:47 AM
Re: The End Of An Era: Kalashnikov Maker To Seek Bankruptcy damn, I wanted a saiga 308. guess I better hurry up

bwelkk | 09-22-2009 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Real Money Now (Post 1933498) This is very sad. Izhmash is 202 years old. But capitalism destroys everything of value. I'm glad I didn't buy the Saiga 223...good luck getting parts if someone doesn't keep the plant open.
You could go buy another for parts and it would still cost less than an AR

S_Goldberg | 09-22-2009 06:13 PM
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But capitalism destroys everything of value.
Why don't you buy some more of their products then to help keep them around if they are somehow benefiting everyone simply by existing.

Cassius | 09-22-2009 06:22 PM
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This is very sad. Izhmash is 202 years old. But capitalism destroys everything of value.
Including your brain apparently... If capitalism destroys, then I guess communism builds and is superior? Don't attack a word when you don't know what it means and what the alternative is. "Capitalism typically refers to an economic and social system in which the means of production (also known as capital) are privately controlled" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism The only alternative to this is to have the means of production to be PUBLICLY controlled (i.e. by the state, i.e. communism)

<SLV> | 09-22-2009 06:48 PM
Re: The End Of An Era: Kalashnikov Maker To Seek Bankruptcy This really sucks. Someone wanted it closed. There is no way they can't be profitable with just the demand from Tromix!

Real Money Now | 09-22-2009 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Cassius (Post 1934795) Don't attack a word when you don't know what it means and what the alternative is. "Capitalism typically refers to an economic and social system in which the means of production (also known as capital) are privately controlled" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism The only alternative to this is to have the means of production to be PUBLICLY controlled (i.e. by the state, i.e. communism)
Capitalism is the system where profit is maximized by any means necessary. It has nothing to do with "private control." Fascism is a variant of Capitalism. Oh, and so is Marxism. The latter is why Capitalist banksters funded Marxism across the world, and still do, to the tune of trillions of dollars. Marxist systems are impossible without Capitalist banksters. Izhmash makes a world-class product, but now they're bankrupt because banksters swooped down on them.

Twisted Avatar | 09-22-2009 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 1934830) This really sucks. Someone wanted it closed. There is no way they can't be profitable with just the demand from Tromix!
I really think you may have touched on something that needs to be futher explored but in the interim If you are so inclined to Izmash products (I am ) Every Patriot should have TRIPPLE REDUNDENCY. T

bwelkk | 09-22-2009 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Real Money Now (Post 1934848) Capitalism is the system where profit is maximized by any means necessary. It has nothing to do with "private control." Fascism is a variant of Capitalism. Oh, and so is Marxism. The latter is why Capitalist banksters funded Marxism across the world, and still do, to the tune of trillions of dollars. Marxist systems are impossible without Capitalist banksters. Izhmash makes a world-class product, but now they're bankrupt because banksters swooped down on them.
No. Make a new word for what you want to describe. Capitalism is the private control of means of production. Fascism is a system where the government dictates what the means of production will be used for, hence the means of production are not privately controlled. I'm not saying the system we live in now is capitalism, or that it has ever been capitalist, but stop muddying the waters and playing the definitions game.

Cassius | 09-22-2009 08:52 PM
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Capitalism is the system where profit is maximized by any means necessary. It has nothing to do with "private control."
Yes, under private ownership of the means of production, the private owners only interest is rational self-interest (profit). Under public ownership of the means of production (non-capitalism, or communism) -- what do you suppose the efforts are directed towards? I guarantee the answer is far more nefarious than mere profit. Profit is NOT a bad thing. Profit means that you are providing value to the marketplace. People don't give you their money unless you are providing value to them. (or unless the government makes you give them your money, which is contrary to capitalism). I would rather profit be maximized by any means necessary than slavery/servitude be maximized by any means necessary. Make your choice. Either you are free to make a profit in the free market, or you are not free. I would rather be free. Go live in a commune or move to China if you prefer public ownership. Of course, under non-capitalism, you don't have any private property so don't complain when you don't own anything.

7th trump | 09-22-2009 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Real Money Now (Post 1934848) Capitalism is the system where profit is maximized by any means necessary. It has nothing to do with "private control." Fascism is a variant of Capitalism. Oh, and so is Marxism. The latter is why Capitalist banksters funded Marxism across the world, and still do, to the tune of trillions of dollars. Marxist systems are impossible without Capitalist banksters. Izhmash makes a world-class product, but now they're bankrupt because banksters swooped down on them.
Would you rather live in any eastern block country or the USSR itself? For your edification the banksters are not capitalists. They are monopolists! If they were capitalists they wouldnt have destroyed capitalism to a point to convince it doesnt work when it worked well for over 200 years. And aren't you the one who proved to everyone you dont know squat about the Constitution and talked down the Constitution like it was worthless from the beginning? Yeah........I remember know........that was you!

Real Money Now | 09-22-2009 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 7th trump (Post 1935178) Would you rather live in any eastern block country or the USSR itself?
I'd rather live under the free enterprise system (NOT Capitalism) that used to exist in America. Quote:
Originally Posted by 7th trump (Post 1935178) For your edification the banksters are not capitalists. They are monopolists!
Same difference. It's called "Capitalism" for a reason. "Capital" = wealth. Capitalism = aiming to amass more capital. Most efficient means to amass more capital is to monopolize. Quote:
Originally Posted by 7th trump (Post 1935178) And aren't you the one who proved to everyone you dont know squat about the Constitution and talked down the Constitution like it was worthless from the beginning? Yeah........I remember know........that was you!
The Constitution (sans the Bill of Rights) WAS and IS worthless from the beginning. Dictatorship was not possible under the Articles of Confederation. Which is what the Anti-Federalists (real patriots) told us all along. The Anti-Federalists forced the Bill of Rights as a weak attempt to control the Federal regime the Constitution created.

meatman | 09-23-2009 08:09 AM
Re: The End Of An Era: Kalashnikov Maker To Seek Bankruptcy I just picked up a AT-14 so I am set

EE_ | 09-23-2009 08:20 AM
Re: The End Of An Era: Kalashnikov Maker To Seek Bankruptcy I think we need to have an AK47 appreciation day...everyone in the world should go outside and hold up your AK at the same time. Imagine what that would look like. :biggrin:

AG Capone | 09-23-2009 09:17 AM
Re: The End Of An Era: Kalashnikov Maker To Seek Bankruptcy Should we bring all of them or just our favorites? I will need some extra hands.:s1:

Abouthadit | 09-23-2009 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by meatman (Post 1935729) I just picked up a AT-14 so I am set
so what is an AT-14?

meatman | 09-23-2009 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Abouthadit (Post 1935892) so what is an AT-14?
http://meatman.smugmug.com/photos/65...0_mTPZJ-X2.jpg You Tube
You Tube

Cassius | 09-23-2009 03:02 PM
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I'd rather live under the free enterprise system (NOT Capitalism) that used to exist in America.
Why do you think it wasn't capitalism from the start? Why did Thomas Edison invent the lightbulb and so many things? Why did Ben Franklin invent the stove and so many things? Profit. In this "free enterprise" system you describe, what were enterprises free to do if it wasn't make profit? What kind of freedom did you envision enterprises to have? The freedom to crossdress or what?

Doge | 09-23-2009 03:18 PM
Re: The End Of An Era: Kalashnikov Maker To Seek Bankruptcy This is like Winchester when they closed down shop.

CQC McDuck | 09-23-2009 07:31 PM
Re: The End Of An Era: Kalashnikov Maker To Seek Bankruptcy This sucks ass. I love my Saigas and I will crap a chicken if I can't get replacement parts for them.

Real Money Now | 09-23-2009 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CQC McDuck (Post 1936811) This sucks ass. I love my Saigas and I will crap a chicken if I can't get replacement parts for them.
Are you handy with machine tools? Start up a Saiga parts works.

FiftySense | 09-23-2009 11:24 PM
Re: The End Of An Era: Kalashnikov Maker To Seek Bankruptcy No worries. The AK will outlast the cockroaches. In the event that parts become a concern, the demand will compensate with supply. It is the nature of the concrete jungle. I recommend buying a gas piston or two and an extra trigger assembly so that your great grandkids can see what the internal parts they'll never need to replace looks like.

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