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platinumdude | 05-23-2008 09:21 PM
Bushmaster AR15s http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_xm15_BCWA3F16SL.asp I'm going to check out some bushmaster ar15's and some other brands as well, when I go to the gun shop. Anyone have any comments on Bushmasters? Particularly the superlights listed on the link above?

learn2swim | 05-23-2008 10:19 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s I've heard great things about this rifle. Plus it's gas operated. You can get them from 1250.00 -1350.00 http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/Sho...&productid=114

SilverCity | 05-23-2008 10:34 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1116426) http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_xm15_BCWA3F16SL.asp I'm going to check out some bushmaster ar15's and some other brands as well, when I go to the gun shop. Anyone have any comments on Bushmasters? Particularly the superlights listed on the link above?
Nothing wrong with Bushies, IMO. Only problem I have is with that price...$1250? Yikes! I must have been asleep during the past several price hikes... For that price I would consider going with one of the higher end ARs like the Noveske, or Sabre Defense, or LMT, etc. versions or yes, even the aforementioned gas piston Sig 556.

graspAU | 05-23-2008 10:42 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s 3 Attachment(s) I have a noveske and a colt. I like both of them. I consider the Noveske slightly higher overall quality and moderatley higher barrel quality. Noveske is expensive. You can't go wrong with a colt 6920 for a carbine length. Of course I will attach the famous chart. I have not owned a Bushmaster, RRA, etc., so I can't really comment. I suggest going over to m4carbine.net for at least 30 days before making a final decision. :D

platinumdude | 05-24-2008 12:14 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Does the noveske have an adjustable buttstock? I'm lookin at the N4 Light Carbine, Basic model. http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin...since=&status= Also If this takes the 5.56mm ammo, it will take the .223 as well?

SilverCity | 05-24-2008 01:09 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1116529) Does the noveske have an adjustable buttstock? I'm lookin at the N4 Light Carbine, Basic model. http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin...since=&status= Also If this takes the 5.56mm ammo, it will take the .223 as well?
yes...and yes.

Fullpower | 05-24-2008 02:13 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s brand new armalite is only 875. choice of green or black. 16 or 20 inch bbl. even comes with a (cheep) lockable hardcase and sling. kinda hard to beat that I think.

graspAU | 05-24-2008 07:28 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s From what I've been told, anything that says 5.56 (on the barrel) will take both 5.56 and .223. Anything that is chambered for .223 will not take 5.56. Noveske customer service is excellent. They are also very happy to customize, if you want a different type of stock, grip, rail, sights, etc.

Twisted Avatar | 05-24-2008 07:31 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Quote:
Originally Posted by scottp999 (Post 1116484) I have a noveske and a colt. I like both of them. I consider the Noveske slightly higher overall quality and moderatley higher barrel quality. Noveske is expensive. You can't go wrong with a colt 6920 for a carbine length. Of course I will attach the famous chart. I have not owned a Bushmaster, RRA, etc., so I can't really comment. I suggest going over to m4carbine.net for at least 30 days before making a final decision. :D
That is sweet scott!!! how much did it cost you to coustomize the one in the pic? T

graspAU | 05-24-2008 08:03 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s All accessories were from Larue Tactical: Sling $70 Surefire + mount $142 Aimpoint + Cantilever $560 Tango Down Stubby Grip $65 Went all out since I thought it would be my final rifle purchase for a long time. Now I have bought a 22lr and and going to pick up a second 22lr (as a full spare parts kit) just because everything else is too expensive to shoot anymore.

seektruth | 05-24-2008 09:22 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Bushmaster is ok for plinking. If your goal is something you can count on, I'd look elsewhere. Buy once, cry once. I build my AR's, but if I was to buy a complete rifle right now it would be a Noveske N4.

Satyr | 05-24-2008 09:33 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s I'm happy with my Stag Arms Model 2T. I'm not at home right now, so I'll post some pics later.

Satyr | 05-24-2008 11:48 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s OK, I'm home now and just took some fresh pics of my rig. I still have a few more things I'd like to add on to it. But, parts aren't cheap, so I'm adding on over time. So far... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...2/IMG_0881.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...2/IMG_0878.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...2/IMG_0880.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...2/IMG_0879.jpg

Twisted Avatar | 05-24-2008 11:55 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s HOLY SMOKES!! what is the mag capacity on that clip?.(tommy gun like) and how much did it run?? That things looks sweet. T

Satyr | 05-24-2008 12:11 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1116861) HOLY SMOKES!! what is the mag capacity on that clip?.(tommy gun like) and how much did it run?? That things looks sweet. T
C-Mag 100 rd magazine.............about $250 Stag Arms Model 2T........................$1,125 (before shipping and x-fer fees) BSA "Sweet 223" scope.....................$130 Pro Mag 1" scope rings..............about $80 Harris Bipod with rail adapter......about $120 And I still plan to buy a new stock for it. Of course, I'm more than ready for the zombies now. :tongue_ma:

Twisted Avatar | 05-24-2008 12:18 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Quote:
Originally Posted by Satyr (Post 1116876) C-Mag 100 rd magazine.............about $250 Stag Arms Model 2T........................$1,125 (before shipping and x-fer fees) BSA "Sweet 223" scope.....................$130 Pro Mag 1" scope rings..............about $80 Harris Bipod with rail adapter......about $120 And I still plan to buy a new stock for it. Of course, I'm more than ready for the zombies now. :tongue_ma:
Yeah I would saw so....... That is sweet beast you put together there...... MAJOR KUDOS. :applause_:applause_:applause_:applause_:applause_ :applause_:applause_ T

silver_addiction | 05-24-2008 05:59 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s damn, that gun is so sick. I want one.

gbgunner | 05-24-2008 06:37 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s I've got a Bushmaster XM-15 that I bought right after the AWB Sunset. Had the heavy barrel fluted to lighten it up. Ended up removing nearly 15 ounces. There's a Trijicon ACOG on the carry handle. Both the fixed sights and the ACOG are sighted in. Over all I'm pretty happy with it. It's seen more than a few thousand rounds through it and there's been no major problems.

platinumdude | 05-25-2008 12:50 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s I see everyone AR pics posted on here, doesn't have a heat shield. Is there a negative to having one?

extremist | 05-25-2008 05:45 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1117481) I see everyone AR pics posted on here, doesn't have a heat shield. Is there a negative to having one?
You can't attach all that tacti-cool swag to the standard handguards.

platinumdude | 05-25-2008 10:40 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s I have a lot to learn. So I will wait a bit. One thing thing I read on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari..._AK-47_and_M16 ....The M4's barrel length of 14.5" sacrifices substantial amounts of muzzle velocity and reduces the effective wounding range of current-issue 5.56x45mm ammunition even further. This lack of wounding ability from short barrels is one reason that, despite the Army's transition to short-barrel M4's, the Marine Corps has decided to continue to use an upgraded M16 variant with the full 20" barrel..... So I figure maybe I should at least get a 16" barrel. Thoughts on this?

Satyr | 05-25-2008 10:55 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1117723) So I figure maybe I should at least get a 16" barrel. Thoughts on this?
It's illegal to own one with a barrel shorter than 16" in most states. Some states requeire a special permit. 16" should do just fine.

graspAU | 05-25-2008 03:36 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1117723) I have a lot to learn. So I will wait a bit. One thing thing I read on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari..._AK-47_and_M16 ....The M4's barrel length of 14.5" sacrifices substantial amounts of muzzle velocity and reduces the effective wounding range of current-issue 5.56x45mm ammunition even further. This lack of wounding ability from short barrels is one reason that, despite the Army's transition to short-barrel M4's, the Marine Corps has decided to continue to use an upgraded M16 variant with the full 20" barrel..... So I figure maybe I should at least get a 16" barrel. Thoughts on this?
I wanted a carbine (Already have a rifle length barrel/gun). For that reason, I got the 14.5" barrel with a pinned (welded) 1.5" flash suppressor to bring it to 16" so no Short barrel rifle paperwork is needed. If you go with a 16" barrel, you will have more like a 17.5 with a flash hider taked on the end.

Prometheus | 05-25-2008 08:53 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Bushmaster is my favorite AR manufacturer... DPMS is also high on my list now as well. Nothing against the rest, just personal preference here. I can't speak highly enough about their AR's.

KASHMAN02 | 05-25-2008 09:15 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 1118315) Bushmaster is my favorite AR manufacturer... DPMS is also high on my list now as well. Nothing against the rest, just personal preference here. I can't speak highly enough about their AR's.
Got a buddy on a swat team, they use bushmasters and he swears by them.

extremist | 05-26-2008 01:47 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Those highfalutin rifles are the stuff, but it's almost a shame to shoot them. Bushmaster will put the same bullet in the same place at the same velocity, all while saving you $500 or so (saw a Patrolman's Carbine here recently for $785).

luft97 | 05-26-2008 02:48 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s I have to say, I love my Rock River.. I would recommend them to anyone interested in an AR. http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...7/DSC_5065.jpg Eotech L3 Holosight, and Surefire M900A w/ Red Navigation LEDs.. I use only HK Mags.. They are the best Mags you can buy for your AR.. Sure there are cheaper ones... But if you want something that will take a beating and keep on working those are the mags for you. Also in all honesty they are the best looking mag on your gun.. =) Remember in the end you get what you pay for. =p

abrokencircle | 05-26-2008 09:41 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s I just got a DPMS .223 AP4 A2 Panther CAR. Is it true that I won't be able to fire the 5.56? I am fine with my .223 caliber, but is there some modification I could purchase to allow it to fire both types of ammo? Right now it is probably useless, but if for some reason all that was available was 5.56 and I couldn't shoot it I doubt that this gun would make a very good club.

Twisted Avatar | 05-26-2008 09:45 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Quote:
Originally Posted by luft97 (Post 1118632) I have to say, I love my Rock River.. I would recommend them to anyone interested in an AR. http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...7/DSC_5065.jpg Eotech L3 Holosight, and Surefire M900A w/ Red Navigation LEDs.. I use only HK Mags.. They are the best Mags you can buy for your AR.. Sure there are cheaper ones... But if you want something that will take a beating and keep on working those are the mags for you. Also in all honesty they are the best looking mag on your gun.. =) Remember in the end you get what you pay for. =p
Absolute bad@$$. T

platinumdude | 05-26-2008 10:15 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s I am looking at this model, but I don't like the green color. http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin...since=&status=

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platinumdude | 05-26-2008 04:26 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s This Rock River model says it has a 16" barrel. Is there a way to tell if that 16" includes the flash suppressor or not? Same with the bushy, there 16" barrel size is the lowest. http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.c...ategory_id=220 Edit also I read this talking about carbine length ARs: The Armalite Mid-Length Carbine was designed specifically to overcome the long-known gas system-related problems associated with the standard M4/M4A1, problems that have been plaguing end-users for years. These include greatly accelerated gas port erosion, , excess heat, higher operating gas pressures, melted and blown-out gas rings, and an open/iron sight radius that's too short. None of these are good things on a field combat weapon. Is this still a problem with 16" total length barrel and flash guard?

SilverCity | 05-26-2008 04:38 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1119227) This Rock River model says it has a 16" barrel. Is there a way to tell if that 16" includes the flash suppressor or not? Same with the bushy, there 16" barrel size is the lowest. http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.c...ategory_id=220 Edit also I read this talking about carbine length ARs: The Armalite Mid-Length Carbine was designed specifically to overcome the long-known gas system-related problems associated with the standard M4/M4A1, problems that have been plaguing end-users for years. These include greatly accelerated gas port erosion, , excess heat, higher operating gas pressures, melted and blown-out gas rings, and an open/iron sight radius that's too short. None of these are good things on a field combat weapon. Is this still a problem with 16" total length barrel and flash guard?
A barrel should be 16" overall length with permanently attached muzzle brake. I think Armalite may have overstated the problem a bit. That said I own two M-4 type shorties and a "middie" (RR)...

extremist | 05-26-2008 10:40 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1119227) Is this still a problem with 16" total length barrel and flash guard?
It's OK if the flash hider is permanently attached.

platinumdude | 05-26-2008 11:50 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s the M5 Flat Top from Saber interest me. It has a 16" barrel with mid-length gas system and all black color. http://www.sabredefence.com/commercial.php

TheGrayGhost | 05-27-2008 08:19 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s I have the Bushmaster M4 16 inch "Patrolmans Carbine". Very happy with it, no problems.

seektruth | 05-27-2008 08:53 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1119702) the M5 Flat Top from Saber interest me. It has a 16" barrel with mid-length gas system and all black color. http://www.sabredefence.com/commercial.php
Saber makes good barrels (I have one on my go to rifle), but for a complete rifle they aren't the best. Better than DPMS, Bushie, and the like though...in my opinion. A lot of people claim that spending the extra money doesn't make a difference. A few have pushed their cheaper rifles and found that they worked ok. Many more have pushed their cheaper rifles and found that they weren't dependable. And even more still have never pushed their cheaper rifles and therefore don't know what they have. I still say, if you want the best chances of owning a rifle that will work out of the box, and will continue to work no matter what you throw at it...Noveske. The AR platform is well developed, what makes them run dependably is not a mystery. It does however take some digging to find out which mfgs put the necessary parts, work, and testing into their guns to make them dependable.

platinumdude | 05-30-2008 08:50 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s It turns out the noveske is actually black. The photo probably had bad lighting. So I am going to get the noveske. Now should I order it with credit card and have it sent to my local gun club, or see if they can purchase it there, and therefore pay with cash to leave less trace.

graspAU | 05-30-2008 09:44 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1125547) It turns out the noveske is actually black. The photo probably had bad lighting. So I am going to get the noveske. Now should I order it with credit card and have it sent to my local gun club, or see if they can purchase it there, and therefore pay with cash to leave less trace.
There are so many gun transactions I have never worried about using a CC. I called my order into Noveske, then have my FFL holder fax a copy of the FFL to them and they shipped right away. It was a great transaction. You will be very happy with their rifle.

C4talyst | 05-31-2008 04:22 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s My Bushie, needs some attachments: http://www.cssboards.com/media/img/staff/carbon15-3.jpg

SilverSmaug | 05-31-2008 08:11 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Have a Bushmaster M4 and a S&W M&P M4 and am pleased with both. I think you can do better than the price listed on Bushmasters website if you go to a gun show. Got my S&W in March for $850 after manufacturers rebate.

platinumdude | 07-20-2008 09:30 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s I got my noveske 16" barrel with midlength gas system about month ago or so. Finally was able to shoot 60 rounds through it today. I like the way it shoots and so forth. Although not sure in a SHTF scenario that a gas piston design would be better. I can always buy a new upper later on.

CyberGold | 07-20-2008 11:50 PM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Quote:
Originally Posted by abrokencircle (Post 1118817) I just got a DPMS .223 AP4 A2 Panther CAR. Is it true that I won't be able to fire the 5.56? I am fine with my .223 caliber, but is there some modification I could purchase to allow it to fire both types of ammo? Right now it is probably useless, but if for some reason all that was available was 5.56 and I couldn't shoot it I doubt that this gun would make a very good club.
I have a DPMS varmint upper I use on my bushie - when I first got it I had case sticking and extraction problems with various ammo. I sent it back to them to open the chamber up a little and have't had any problems since - been about 8 years.

platinumdude | 07-21-2008 12:29 AM
Re: Bushmaster AR15s Edit, after further reading, you will have more moving parts that can break down the road with the gas piston. I think I will get a new to add to my ar15 and glock. Maybe a FAL .308.

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