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Philosophers' Legacy | 01-04-2009 09:00 PM
Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... with a barrel less than 20" and at a reasonable price? It seems that everyone is out and they're not making anymore. What gives? :bulride:

SilverCity | 01-04-2009 09:08 PM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophers' Legacy (Post 1495239) with a barrel less than 20" and at a reasonable price? It seems that everyone is out and they're not making anymore. What gives? :bulride:
Winchester Trapper 44 mag with 16 inch barrel. You will have to find one in the used market...maybe try Gunsamerica or Gunbroker.com Good Luck.

Twisted Avatar | 01-04-2009 09:36 PM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... How many shots dose that puppy hold??? T

Irons | 01-04-2009 09:39 PM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... 1 Attachment(s) There is the .444 marlin outfitter or Winchester guide gun, they are short barreled, ported and nice.I have the marlin.:ok: Attachment 60354

SilverCity | 01-04-2009 09:44 PM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1495283) How many shots dose that puppy hold??? T
The 44 Trapper...7+1 rounds I believe.

Aussie | 01-04-2009 09:49 PM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1495302) The 44 Trapper...7+1 rounds I believe.
The Marlin in .44 mag holds 10+1.

dimitri | 01-04-2009 10:05 PM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... What's great about the lever action guns is that the ammo can be topped off at any time, you don't use a magazine or a tube rod - you just jam more rounds in the side.

wallew | 01-04-2009 10:23 PM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... From Guns America... http://www.gunsamerica.com/922626931...APPER_44MG.htm# This second one is at 'Bromley's' - talk to Mike... http://www.gunsamerica.com/911486457...AE_Trapper.htm# http://www.gunsamerica.com/946196442...RC_TRAPPER.htm http://www.gunsamerica.com/988378684...er_94_44ma.htm Well, there's four of them off of Guns America. I'm sure you could find more if you went to Gun Auction. Cimmaron Firearms also has a Model 1892 16" in 44 mag as well. http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/Rep.../1892Model.htm#

CyberGold | 01-04-2009 10:32 PM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... Ruger made a lever version of their 44mag model 96 carbine

eat_beef | 01-04-2009 11:19 PM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... Win 94 Trapper in 44mag holds 10, and in 44 mag it's a pain to top off the mag, works better on the thuddythuddy. I have the 94, but I like the Marlin better. Slicker, stronger action.

SilverCity | 01-04-2009 11:29 PM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... My Marlin 1894 in 44 mag has a 20 inch barrel with full length tube magazine and will hold ten rounds. Do you mean the Trapper with a 16 inch barrel will also hold ten?

Aussie | 01-04-2009 11:37 PM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1495421) My Marlin 1894 in 44 mag has a 20 inch barrel and will hold ten rounds. Do you mean the Trapper with a 16 inch barrel will also hold ten?
No, sorry to confuse. I have a 20" Marlin. Don't know about the Trapper but I'm sure you're right about that.

ruprick | 01-04-2009 11:42 PM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... Winchester lever actions are only good if you plan on using iron sights......because of top ejection....pain in the ass to use a scope. Plus...no more Winchester levers being made..... Get the Marlin - I like them better anyways.....plus Marlin is now owned by Remington....should be around for a long time....that said...Remington is owned by Cerberus....those banker types that also own Chrysler. I love Marlin lever actions. Looks like 20" barrel 44 mag/spl Marlins are being made in blue and stainless....hold 10 rounds. Pretty handy and weigh 6 lbs....pretty light. They have a 38spl/357mag with a 18.5" bbl in 9 shots. A 357mag carbine is perfect for deer out to 150 yards.

mick silver | 01-05-2009 12:08 AM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... ruprick your the gun man , what the price on the marlin 44 thanks mick

ruprick | 01-05-2009 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mick silver (Post 1495461) ruprick your the gun man , what the price on the marlin 44 thanks mick
About $500 Brand spankin' new in box. They also make a "Cowboy Action" version that will put you up over $600..... Just stick with the standard 1894 in blue or stainless.

mick silver | 01-05-2009 12:17 AM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... ruprick the marlin44 well it shot the same ammo my ruger black hawk shots

ruprick | 01-05-2009 12:21 AM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver (Post 1495468) ruprick the marlin44 well it shot the same ammo my ruger black hawk shots
Yes....all day long. The Marlin lever action will shoot both 44 Mag and 44 Special. Expect about 2X the energy out of the carbine rife as compared to the pistol....turns the 44 mag into a very acceptable black bear and anything on down gun. This is a perfect woods gun for deer....and shots out to about 150 yards....perhaps 200 yards.

farscott | 01-05-2009 07:28 AM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... Marlin made a version of the 1894 in .44 Magnum with a 16.5" barrel, the 1894P. The downside is that most of this model was shipped with a ported barrel. There is also a version for the .357 Magnum in the same barrel length, the 1894CP.

eat_beef | 01-05-2009 08:44 AM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1495421) My Marlin 1894 in 44 mag has a 20 inch barrel with full length tube magazine and will hold ten rounds. Do you mean the Trapper with a 16 inch barrel will also hold ten?
Yes. I can't remember if it's 10 +1 or 9 +1, but I know I can get 10 in there. If I get a minute I'll check, but it'll definitely take at least 9 +1.

Doge | 01-05-2009 11:38 AM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... Marlin .44 and .357 are amazing guns but I haven't seen any for less the the low $700s.

Blorp | 01-05-2009 01:01 PM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... Here are some prices for reference. http://www.mcbridesguns.com/estore/p...ageHistory=cat Blorp

eat_beef | 01-06-2009 09:37 AM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... Silver City- I just stuffed her full. It's 9 + 1, 44mag, 16" Win 94 Trapper. BTW, for the last 20 some years, the 94 has been Angle Eject, and works fine with a scope. Although IMO, the beauty of a lever gun is it's sleek elegance, and few are chambered in a good long range caliber, so why scope one anyway? I guess some need the glass because of poor eyesight. I'm not there yet, but unfortunately I fear I'm well on my way.:bear_cry:

electric-amish | 01-06-2009 09:41 AM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... What is the range on a 44 mag merlin? 240 grains of metal is a lot of hello at the end of its travel. E-A

ruprick | 01-06-2009 10:01 AM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... A typical carbine shooting a 44 Mag: 1800 feet per second at muzzle = 1700 ft-lbs energy. NOTE- that is about 2X a 44 mag pistol. Zero impact for 100 yards......list below is Yards, Velocity, Energy, Drop in Inches: (240 grain bullet) 0, 1800, 1700, -2.5 100, 1400, 1000, 0.0 150, 1300, 900, -5.5 200, 1100, 850, -17.0 250, XXX, XXX, -36.0 (3 feet of drop!) 300, 970, 500, -61.0 (5 feet of drop!) As you can see....it is not a very flat trajectory.... I limit shots to 150 yards.....200 yards tops....it has enough energy to kill deer/man sized game out to 200 yards.....to cleanly kill deer you need about 1000 ft-lbs of energy....below that = you better have great shot placement. Remember, wind has a big impact on these slow pistol cartridges at long range.....a simple 10 MPH crosswind = 3.5 inch drift at 100 yards from the carbine......at 200 yards = 9 in drift.....and 10 mph is not much wind..... I think of pistol cartridge carbines as delivering the same energy as the pistol at muzzle....but the carbine can deliver it at 125 yards. You could do a little bit better on trajectory and wind drift by going to a 180 grain bullet to get the velocity up.....but it would not have a much enegry at the target. Someone may have a ballistic tiped 44 cal bullet (0.429").....a lot of 50 cal muzzle loaders use a sabot and "44 mag" bullets....perhaps one of these has a ballistic tip.....you could make/get a custom loaded cartridge with this ballistically superior design.....and just single load it in the CHAMBER ONLY for a single long shot capability......BUT MUST USE FLAT NOSED/SOFT NOSED bullet design in a tube magazine rifle to protect against primer impact in magazine tube. Also, ballistic tip probably not feed well from tube to chamber....but a single load into chamber would be fine... I'll look into this idea...... I know that there are ballistic tip .357 bullets.....in fact my 358 Winchester is just a 308 necked up to 35 cal....and I can get bal tip bullets for it.

eat_beef | 01-06-2009 10:31 AM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... Like Ruprick said, 100-150 tops. It's not that the round doesn't have plenty of punch past that, it's that these rifles aren't know for being "ak-rit" in the first place, and the further you get out there, the worse it gets. I killed a coyote with mine at 110ish yards, but I'd consider it a lucky shot, I probably couldn't make it more than 50-60% of the time. Combination of poor ballistics, poor bullets, poor barrel, short sight radius, poor sights, slow lock time, and a cruddy trigger all work together to make a NOT accurate rifle. But for man sized targets out to 100 yards, you kinda have to try to miss them.:biggrin:

ruprick | 01-06-2009 10:34 AM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... The Marlin in 44 mag at 100 yards.....I could get it to shoot 3-4 in groups at 100 yards with open sights.....probably half that if I had optics. I never planned on shots over 100 - 150 yards...so never went to optics......that is one advantage of these carbines....do not need optics....as you never shoot that far. No optics and 18.5 - 20 in bbl keeps thes guns handy and light weight at 6 lbs. They are a dream knocking around in the woods if you ever stalk.

eat_beef | 01-06-2009 10:52 AM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... Maybe the 94 isn't as accurate as the Marlin, maybe you just shoot better, but I'd say I'm at about 4-6 inches at 100 (never put it on paper off a bench), which is what I'd call NOT accurate. BUT, for close shots on moving game there's nothing better.

pastexperience | 01-06-2009 01:01 PM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... how about the henryrifles in .44 or .357, are they more accurate? Never had the pleasure of shooting one.

SilverCity | 01-06-2009 01:12 PM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... A number of shooters have complained that Marlin's 44 caliber barrels with the proprietary Micro-Groove rifling are slugging OVERSIZE which inhibits good accuracy with most commercial jacketed bullets. They recommend the Ballard-cut barrels with hard-cast lead bullets for superior accuracy. I have never owned one but a friend gets clover-leaf groups with his Ballard-cut Marlin at 50 yards or so... My Micro Marlin shoots adequately out to 100 yards with reloads...

Elvis | 01-07-2009 01:14 AM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... You want a lever action, live the dream: http://www.riflemansrifle.com/

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koyaanisqatsi | 01-07-2009 03:55 AM
Re: Are there any .44 lever actions out there.... Here's the perfect rifle to fill the bill, IMO, except for the price ... http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/1201710...2257913171.jpg Marlin 1894P, .44 Magnum, 16 � �, Ported Barrel Started at $765.00 used, one scratch http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=120171380 I'd skip that one, nice as it is, and get one just like mone with a 20" barrel for much less. http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/1201610...2249504687.jpg Excellent used, started at $450. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=120161137 Mine is just like the lower one but has a Williams peep sight, also highly recomended with the solid top reciever Marlin ... just stick to jacketed bullets at 240 grains for 4" groups at 100yds, fine for such a handy little rifle in offhand conditions ... but it points quick, like a DREAM, and hits in brush with a wallop, THATS what counts. Very good all-round protection too, not too inferior to an AK in my opinion, yet more wholesome looking. Unless you've got a special NEED for a shorter rifle, I'd opt for the 20" barrel anyway since it should swing and point better, in my opinion. I suggest zeroing at 150yards for this trajectory: Ballistics Table in Yards 240 gr Hornady XTP Hollow Point, 0.205 Ballistic Coefficient www.hornady.com Range (yards) Muzzle 25 50 75 100 150 200 Velocity (fps) 1850 1763 1679 1598 1520 1378 1255 Energy (ft.-lb.) 1824 1656 1501 1360 1232 1012 839 Trajectory (150 yd. zero) -0.8" +1.3" + 2.8" +3.5" + 3.3" 0.0" -7.9" This makes the .44 magnum a 200yd rifle with never a rise over 3.5" or a drop more than 7.9", all "point blank" (i.e. no holdover/under) range... remaining 200yd energy about like a .44mag pistol at just 25yds ... all quite deadly and PRACTICAL, and rugged, reliable. :ok:

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