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I'm going on a road trip looking for a bug out property ....and setting up an "off grid" property.....I am heading up to Montana to have a look then across to Vermont,New Hampshire?......are there any other states that are recommended?...has to have gun rights,pref high ratio of Ron paul Constitution types....land will need to be able to run dry stock ,some dairy,hunting is desirable as well as trout fishing and i need to be relitively close to yacht if possible......i like the four seasons but coming from an old nz farming family am not used to farming in winter snow conditions ...... hell maybe ill just head home back to socialist nwo loving braindead kiwi land...but dame i love the constitution and am staying as long as there is still hope ..... came here to design and build yachts ....never thought americans did not want to be themselves.....ultimately you get what you wish for..if not thinking and apathy is the goal...well the chip will be available....it will be your ultimate expression of the void......free will is the bottom line.... anyway property size anywhere from 50 -150 acres.... a small town with a book shop and sention thinking beings and freindly real people would be a bonus as well...... maybe i start building wooden yachts again.... i like virginia ...esp around the area of Thomas Jeffersons home...but Virginia has tight gun laws ...and the coppers are nazis ..aren't they? being so close to the District of Columnbia....around york town close to the water?..... just tryying to get a feel for things and details in each area before my road trip Thanks TJ |
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Alaska is what America used to be; The land of the free.
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just came back from Alaska looking around for same reason fullpower...beautiful esp south of out towards seaward ...of course i saw buggerall but ..its too cold for me ..and the weather was "mild " while i was up there....only ten below celcius!!..i liked the hunting aspects..but too many military types & govt employees who will shoot constitution lovers when the shtf and i must say unfortunately too many people i ran into were apathetic and had no idea about the nwo and the upcoming and unfolding problems.... hunting and fishing --great but just too cold for me..perhaps i needed to look at other areas?...the sailing would be fantastic )at least scenery wise ..but you would freeze your arse off ... or did i get a wrong piture of Alaska FP?...afterall i was only up there looking around for a week.. wolud you suggest diff areas?? TJ |
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do you want to give a quick "rundown" on the different counties in KY and the carolinas Relleia?...Carolinas look beautiful..i have never been to Kentucky...hasn't it got great duck shooting?.... gun laws?..how many people care about the constitution and ...yeah ..i have no experience in farming in extreme conditions.....montana looks beautiful...but i was looking at the employment stats and most people there are employed in tourism..so it is going to get hit really hard up there with so many unemployed.... my main joys in life are great freinds reading,yachting and buliding yachts and houses (one off designs)...fly fishing and duck ,pheasant and quail shooting...must say at this point i am sometimes tempted to head back to nz..and stick my head in the sand...but i love America...what pisses me off is so many Americans don't ...at least here in LA..but LA is full of self loathing Arseholes who have bought into living a fake life.......obviously the sailing in the proff world is here on the west coast ...but my life is seeking more meaning now....anyway don't want to ramble.... i think Americans have something to fight for...back in NZ....most people are totally dependant on the govt and have nothing that unifes there spirit of freedom like the Constitution......& kiwis are extremely self centered and totally ignorant..so i am staying right to the wire....freedom Liberty and Life ..being an individual in ones self is what is at stake here ..there is no grey area ..you are either a free man or you are not... Carolina....maybe this road trip will become an expedition...maybe i should YouTube it...? TJ |
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TJ, working on a freely/powered yacht design, actually trimarran, kinda like the manphibian's in Waterworld {40X30ft.}. Large central berth with power and windwheel conversion drive, giving way to an optional sail off main mast. Outer pods for storage and water/ballast. small area on crows nest for garden {lol}...
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Yatchs? WA is the place for you it sounds like. Mild winters - plenty of water - constitution state - cept for Seattle BS. Land ain't cheap though - cept maybe in the rainforest of the penninsula.
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You may want to consider "da UP eh?" Michigan's northern peninsula is good for grassland farming and hunting and fishing. Surrounded by the great lakes you can bug out at any time for warmer climes and salty dog days by either the water way that travels through the heartland or by going east thruogh the great lakes to the east coast.
I used to work for Four Winns in Cadillac, Mi. Probably nothing like what you design, but we had some nice cruisers. |
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sounds like vermont would be a good place for you.....
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I too am searching for the ideal location, the kind of bug-out property I can live on permanently year-round and retire on. My preference so far has been the northwest corner of Montana, far north Idaho, or panhandle Alaska, which is warmer than further north. For work, I would have to live close to a hi-traffic airport however. I would also have to have high speed internet (most likely satellite) and access to a at least somewhat of a major airport with daily frequent flights nationwide. Kalispell has a couple flights, but not as much as I need. Spokane has more, but Seattle seems to be the biggest hub. I am speculating if I got a log cabin in the mountains either east of Seattle or east of Spokane, maybe an hour drive from the airport, I could probably pull it off. But would an hour's drive to the mountains east of Spokane be remote enough?? As for New England and the Confederate states, although they have a proud history, I am too deterred by their current heavy population. I prefer the idea of once you leave a big city, such as Seattle or a smaller one like Spokane, you're in remote wilderness for a very long time. The states in the NW are just huge and very low population. The states in NE (VT and NH) are so very small and so close to the enormous east coast population. Although the northern states would have an extremely short growing season, on the flip side there would be more game than people. Whereas in the south, I'd be afriad all the game would be depleted in just a couple weeks, if not a few days. Despite we need both veggies and meat, if I was forced to choose one over the other, I'd rather have more game than veggies, as opposed to more veggies to game. You can always supplement with vitiman & mineral pills. Plus protein meat (not supplemental protein shakes) stabilizes my blood sugar levels. I would be in trouble without it. As for the cold, I never need the air conditioner even when it's 90-100F (unless it's humid - the humidity I can't take well). I love the summer's warm weather, I love heat in the 70-80 F range. I freeze easily when it gets to below 60 F. So I would have to find a way to deal with that. |
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willamette valley in oregon, or coastal oregon. around latitude 60 in alaska not bad either. depends what you want to farm, always had a garden in ak, near portland for now, the dairy farmers do ok out by tillamook on the oregon coast. some nice little harbors along there for the boatbuilding idea.
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[QUOTE=keystone;1402732 Spokane has more, but Seattle seems to be the biggest hub. I am speculating if I got a log cabin in the mountains either east of Seattle or east of Spokane, maybe an hour drive from the airport, I could probably pull it off. But would an hour's drive to the mountains east of Spokane be remote enough??...As for the cold... I freeze easily when it gets to below 60 F. So I would have to find a way to deal with that.[/QUOTE]
I was going to highly recommend going north of Spokane rather than east. East is CdA, touristy town that's getting a bit cluttered. North of Spokane is wide open all the way to the Canadian border. Lots of lakes and rivers, abundant game, few people. The biggest town north of here is Coleville with a population of 5000+/-, a two-hour drive away. Or Newport (one hour northeast) with a population of 2500. Both are nice little towns -- although with the Idaho border and the Pend Orielle river running right through the middle of town, I like Newport best. I said I "was going to recommend" because if 60 degrees is your idea of cold I can only suggest that you stick with Florida or California. This area ain't for sissies, especially in the winter.:signs14: |
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I'll have to second that post concerning MT. I love MT, but if you don't like winter, then Big Sky Country isn't for you.
Also, 50+ acres even close to accessible water.....I hope you plan on spending some money. Good luck in your search. |
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Issue #1 for me is carry permit:
start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-issue#No-issue Issue #2 is State Income Tax: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._wages.svg.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nal_income_tax These are the states that I have to chose from when considering a relocation. South Dakota is the home of the true Patriots. |
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Waylon, that actually leaves 4 states close to coastal water; FL, TX, WA & Alaska. NH is too close to Boston and believe me, you want to stay clear of those. TN would be Ideal if lakes would satisfy. I'm thinking especially eastern mountain areas for trout and hunting areas.
I'm in south central OH and while I'm not close too any major water way or Lake Erie, the walleye fishing is major to trout as our small water ways and lakes are too warm for trout. You have to go further north up to Lake Erie area near Port Clinton. Here's the thing about taxes though. The lower the income tax the higher other taxes seem to be. You also have to look at property tax, use taxes (licenses), sales tax, etc. State and local taxes are sometimes offset by high tourist taxes - gas, motel and so on. Case in point, I often vacation in FL. When I go I usually pack a fishing rod. The tax for a non-resident 3 day license is like $15, while residents can fish free in the same location. So there are many other things to look at about taxes then just the income angle. |
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Kentucky gun laws: I found a site with a sample page from a book describing gun laws in various states http://www.gunlawguide.com/Kentucky.htm State income, sales, and property tax, plus can look up other states: http://www.bankrate.com/brm/itax/edi...y.asp?caret=1e I don't know too much about the hunting there, except that my brother-in-law goes up there to deer hunt. I found a website on Kentucky hunting that should give you a good feel for it : http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forums/index.php I don't know much about the counties in Kentucky--I've only lived in Nebraska, Massachusetts, and overseas. Our land is located near Lake Cumberland http://www.lakecumberland.com/ I just got our property tax bill today. Two hundred bucks for our 126 acres of undeveloped agricultural. Our property tax bill here for our measly 11 acres and a small house is over $4000 a year. Something is seriously wrong. When last I checked wind and solar power generation possibilities for that region weren't terribly great, if off-grid power generation is something that you are considering then I can dig out that research. I have it in a three-ring binder. |
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I actually prefered the old days before the limelite....thats why i am thinking of designing and building wooden yachts again...for the love of it... but please your design and yacht sounds extemelly interesting TJ |
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anyway ....please put up some pics Thanks TJ |
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Very interesting comments..i have to agree with being in a remote location..but also i absoluely believe that getting to know the community you are shifting to and forming a close group of awake liberty constitution types is the most important thing...being remote also brings with it inherant problems of being a target... also if you read Agenda 21 out of the UN..this property maintenance code is to be used to tax and drive the rural folk off their land...Obama is already talking about the cap & trade of carbon credits controlling every aspect of our lives.... You have said many things that i am pondering ... my concern is being so close to cities as well ..but a wonder if city dwellers will have the "no how" to even consider heading much beyond the city limits..i do wonder if they will just continue to protest and look to the govt to "provide them with relief" glass houses provide the means really to grow veges etc in most conditions... if things get really bad....a good glass of whisky and a sure shot standing tall with like minded freedom lovers will be the cross roads..if that does not win through ..well ..can you imagine when the parasites only have the govt to beg to??.... TJ |
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Paradise valley Montana is gorgeous and has a more moderate climate because its in a valley. It also houses quite a few survivalist groups. The people there don't like Government interference. I spent quite a bit of time there but never in the cold weather. Housing and land prices have dropped there like everywhere else. If I were looking to live in an unpopulated area and didn't mind colder temperatures this would be my choice... It is remote area but the towns of Bozeman and Livingston are not far away.
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TJ, Thanks for befriending me. Ohio is not the best state for what you are looking for, but Lake Erie does offer a lot (in season) for sailing. MI is not far off for better trout fishing. As for boat building, I can't say how that would work, especially for sail boats. However there are sailing regattas every summer. The growing season is quite long, but the wind can be bad (tornadoes) and they can get a lot of snow too. The winters are usually mild in my part of the state. I'm also not sure how real estate prices are. We do have sales tax, property tax, income tax and sometimes local city or school district income tax, plus all the usual user taxes.
BTW, I've always wanted to build my own sailboat (under 26') or even just own one, LOL, I have a wife instead of some of the toys I'd like. About the largest boat building project I can envision is a wood strip canoe. |
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Thankyou ,yes i and i am sure alot of others would like that off grid info.. I am looking through the info... thanks again..yeah thsi whole Obama cult crap and now they are comparing him with JFK!!!get me pissed off and more..JFK sealed his fate with the yale speech -he and bob were great heros ..this black hitler (& i am not rascist) is very very dangerous... anyway.... there are alt of good posts here to think about..thanks TJ |
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I did laugh ..envisioning sailing through a tornado...i have been in some rough weather ..but tornados..hmmm..i guess there could be a market for extreme T sailing!!!... you should look into buliding a wooden sailboat (we down under call them yachts) and powerboats are called launchs...it is beautiful buliding a wooden yacht ....I did my apprentishipunder an elderly boat builder wjo could use an adze faster than an electric plane...i love craftman ship..and i think we may see a resurgence and appreciation of true craftsmen ....because there are few left.... as an aside it has been evident (including myself ) alot of us here have been frustrted to say the least with the rise of obama and his cult..i just cannot stand this slimy manipulativr worm....see i am still fuming over how so many morons are ruining and have no clue and do not care about freedom.... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh anyway good to be chatting LT TJ |
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Thanks Avalon...I really enjoyed that video.....that is not your vid is it?
500 grand for 70 acres...& what do you think prices have come down from this? You can fish the yellowstone River?....can you fish within yellowstone park or is there no real need..... those triplet fawns are beautiful....might be a bit difficult to get a finished yacht out of there though!!... beautiful outlook and no other visible homes at the moment.... one of my fav movies is A river runs through it...the blackfoot River ..where is that from "paradise valley"..... Thankyou again i am going to l show my wife and buddies.. Could you imagine kiwi Yacht designer designing and building in Montana!!!....I like the idea ....that yellowstone River looks alittle shallow though for yachts!!.... TJ |
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Solar and wind power should be doable, but what actually might a person run into for water rights out there? No ocean or large Erie sized lakes either. The fact of no large body of water is something I regret more than any other issue where I'm located. It took me about 5 years of being a land locked sailor to realize my loss, now I'm old and not even considering relocating. Homesteading on 15 acres with woods and water close enough for day trips is the best it gets for me. Add to that the occasional trip to Florida for the ocean and I get by. Fort Perry and the CMP are only 167 miles to the north. We enjoy a trip or two up there a year. My wife says, she'd like to work on one of the ferries to the islands just for the ride on the water. Get her out in my fishing boat and stick a rod in her hands and she turns into an instant 2 year old. Not a happy camper.:10_1_19: Bottom line, It's hard to live anywhere and not run into some issues with too many people and/or too much government regulations. Now the NWO government system is trying to turn the US into them. I'm not ready to :Surrender: yet! |
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Tennessee and Missouri seem to have good soil/climate for substistance farming. Tennessee would probably be more libertarian.
I've chosen Wisconsin in spite of their horrible gun laws and long winters. My family and my wife's family are all there, and I think those relationships will be more strategic than firearms. I've found the parcel (5 acres), and I'm going to be making the deal over Thanksgiving. Hopefully break ground in May of 2009. |
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If you've never been to that area, take the time and go. I looked for a place in WY, but soon decided the move would be more than my budget at the time would handle. Google "free state" for some interesting information, if you haven't already. |
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Thomas Jefferson and LT Dan.. there are large bodies of water. You just cant see them in the pics. The Yellowstone river runs right down the middle of that region. Also there is Yellowstone Lake right on the top of Yellowstone Park. I do realize the altitude is a little high and the lake probably keeps the caldera from exploding but it very scenic, clean and beautiful once you get used to breathing up that high..
The property in the video was not mine but my sisters property was located nearby. She just had a few acres.. I know property values fell because they were having a tough time moving houses a few years ago. Probably because Paradise Valley has become out of touch with the other parts of the State because so many survivalist groups, movie stars and resort areas have moved in.. There are good deals in other areas of Montana... I guess there is not much call for yacht building in Montana but rafts and fly fishing boats are popular..:biggrin: It really is a great area for people interested in survival. My sisters neighbors had a bomb shelter that could house thirty families. The people in that area are very much geared to survival and bartering systems. I was surprised I liked it so much because I am so used to everything being green. Once you get used to the open sky and the rocky terrain its quite magnificent. |
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Have you considered the Ozarks? SW Missouri is very affordable, has some beautiful lakes and over in the counties of Douglas and Ozark, many like minded folks.
The Ozarks unfortunately aren't the best suited for solar though. Property can still be had for $2k per acre. Taxes on our 60 acres (just paid the bill) was $18. :biggrin: |
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