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Do any of yall have a safe to keep your PMs in? I am in the market for one myself and was thinking of this safe here:

http://www.everysafe.com/Fire-Fyter-FF1505-FFY1005.html


What do yall think? Was wanting to keep the price under 400 if I could WITH shipping. Any ideas?

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I did some research on safes. There are a few experts here. My conclusions:

1. Buy a used safe

2. Make sure it weighs 2000 pounds or more

3. Have it professionally delivered and installed by a very reputable company

It all depends upon the value of your PMs, but these smaller safes and lighter safes aren't very effective except to deter amateurs and for fire.

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Thanks for the comment about my dog, hes about a year and a half. Pitbulls are a dime a dozen in Houston, lol. What am I doing in Iraq?? Well I am a firefighter on the civilian side. Making as much as I can as long as I can and then do a disappearing act! As far as a 2000lb. safe, I am not at my final destination yet so Im gonna keep it under 400 bucks and probably buy that little one I was looking at. My neighborhood there are no pros anyway. Example: Some Katrina evacuees busted the window in my truck and my factory alarm went off and you know what hey stole? My remote to my stereo! HA! Good thing I had my stereos face removed. But all I have are crackheads and evacuees where Im from and if they come into my house they will have a dog on them at first (refer to avatar) and then 18 hot ones, they will def. get toetagged!

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Actually, I would say it depends on the amount of your PM's. Unless you are sitting on a HUGE (I MEAN MORE THAN $100k WORTH OF SILVER) amount of PM's those 'lighter safes' are a great deal. We have two of them. One with nothing but our 'papers' in them. The other with nothing but PM's in them.

The NICE part about these 'fire proof' safes is that they are small enough to actually hide or bury BECAUSE they are so small. Plus I can grab either (or both) of them in case of an emergency and 'hit the road'. Spray paint the outside of them a dark color and they almost become 'invisible' amoungst the jumble of your luggage in the trunk of your car.

So don't pooh-pooh those smaller, lighter safes. OH, and I have about $100 in the pair, cost wise.

Now if you ALSO have a GUN SAFE that will fall into the categories above, you can also store your 'smaller, lighter safe' INSIDE your gun safe, making it equally hard to get to.

Just my .02...

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I have the Cobalt SS-080 "fireproof office safe" and I highly recommend it. You can see it here: http://www.harrisburgsafeandvault.com/ss080.html. They want $1k for it, but I paid only $600 for it (free shipping) just last year - unfortunately the company I bought it from has shut down their website. I like this safe because of its 2 hour fire rating, key & tumbler lock, burglar hinges (hard to cut due to mass), and large capacity. I also like the fact that it weighs 350 pounds. Additionally it comes with a kit to bolt it through the floor.

ALWAYS get one size larger than you think you need. I did this, and I have still filled it up! By the time you think of all of the data backups, film negatives, PMs, ammunition, paperwork, etc, etc, etc, you will be surprised at how small that safe will seem.

The only thing I didn't like was the fact that the door didn't seal tightly (air tight). After talking to the manufacturer I learned that it has a compound in the steel around the door that expands with heat to seal it shut in case of a fire. However, because I wanted it to be free from moisture I added an adhessive weather stripping seal to make it tight.

Anyway, I recemmend the Cobalt SS-080.

PS - Here is the safe I have in my wall for the loaded firearms. It is an ETL Secure Logic biometric wall safe. I had the picture frame and picture custom built to hide the safe:

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I have a couple of pictures on my walls that the frame 'sticks out' from the wall.

Wonder why?

They are strictly 'quick access' hidey holes for loaded firearms ALL OVER my home. Plus those in my bedroom. And basement. And kitchen. And living room.

Never more than about four steps from a loaded firearm. Always a good thing in the coming 'trials and tribulations'. Especially if you live in a large city.

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I built mine so that the frame is nailed flush to the wall. The picture comes out of the center, and the frame is cut at the bottom to allow the door to fall.

I have thought of doing the same thing - one in each room. Never know where you're going to be when you really need it.

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Cheaper and lighter are better than nothing at all. Even a cheaper safe, bolted down, will deter the tweaker looking to sell for a fix-and unless you brag to the guys down at the pub about your stash, that will be the most likely scenario. And the weight of your PMs may factor in too.

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I think everyone has contributed great advice on the selection of a safe. I wish I had listened to others before I bought one. Yes, you will run out of space. I did. Get something with as much extra capacity that is practical. It would be devastating to lose a lifetime accumulation of family heirlooms, firearms, PMs and other documents. Also, as Wallew posted, it might be wise to have a few firearms hidden out and about in the house - just in case.
Take care,
Mod1

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I decided to roll with this safe:

http://www.safeandvaultstore.com/product/&item=174

I talked to the guy from the site and with the money I wanna spend this is my best bet. When I get to my final destination, I will get something serious. That is if I havent sold all my PMs. But you are correct in keeping your mouth shut and Katrina evacuees are too stupid anyway to figure out how to remove the whole bloomin' safe. All they can do is turn their city into a ghetto in 3 days.

"It took a mere three days for blacks to turn the Superdome and the convention center into ghettos, rampant with theft, rape and murder." Peterson writes, "about five years ago . . . I stated that if whites were to just leave the United States and let blacks run the country, they would turn America into a ghetto within 10 years . . . I gave blacks too much credit. It took a mere three days for blacks to turn the Superdome and the convention center into ghettos, rampant with theft, rape and murder."

--Jesse Lee Peterson of the Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (BOND)

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what do you guys think of installing a in-floor safe, embedded in the concrete? would it be too small? is concrete to hard to put a hole in it?

is bolting down a safe very effective?

if I were laying a foundation on a new house, this is what I would do i think.

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If I was laying the foundation for a new house I would put a full room under the garage with a vault door hidden under the stairway closet:

http://www.sportsmansteelsafes.com/defender.htm

http://www.sportsmansteelsafes.com/i.../BRJ_9073m.jpg

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SLV,
Now THAT'S A SAFE DOOR TO BE RECKONED WITH.

I must say, that in our retirement home that I plan to build, it has an 'armory' in the basement with that type of door. But it's a two room armory, as their will be a second room for ammo. It will also have a metal door and a couple of SMALL outlets to the surface in case of an explosion, so it won't blow the doors off, as it were.

GREAT SAFE DOOR!

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Wall safes are for people with small hoards.

Safes are overrated anyway. I don't know of any safe made that's government-proof.

Everyone needs a low end gun safe (not Stack-on) just for temporary storage and to slow down crackheads. I don't think expensive safes are a good investment. Buy a backhoe instead.

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I wish I had bought one of these - yes they are expensive and some may say overrated.
http://www.brownsafe.com/
Take care,
Mod1

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The problem with safes in the home is someone can alway hold a gun to your head and force you to open it. Sorry for the bad thought, but there it is.

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There are some pretty mean s.o.b.'s out there Sukhoi. You might find yourself outnumbered and incapacitated before you even know what is happening. I like the idea of having a dummy safe, kind of like a throw down piece, with the real value hidden somewhere else. The most important item of security is one's own mouth and not running it. Beware the ex girlfriend.

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That is almost the exact one I have. I have a crawl space under my house. I bolted the safe to the floor in the bedroom closet. It's a small closet, so the safe barely even fits. Only the front of the safe is exposed. Not only that, I mounted 1/4" plate steel to the floor joists in the crawl space right under the location where the safe is bolted down. The bolts run through the plate and are secured by locking nuts. It would take a hell of a lot of work to walk out of this house with the safe. Especailly with the entrance to the crawl space being well hidden.

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Right now, I'm using a safe deposit box. In the near future I'll be renting an apartment for probably 3-5 years. This building is a large high-rise. I would think that the floors are steel beam and concrete. Any idea how heavy of a safe I could move in there? I hate to ask management because I've just told someone that I have a safe. What's a bathtub full of water weigh?

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Absolutely - and they figure, if you have a safe, there must be something you won worth putting in a safe......so they will put that gun to your head.......and, while its happening, no one knows you are in trouble........I prefer other options.

I have things hidden and an electronic alarm system which makes the entire house a safe. Doesn't mean people can't get in but there are motion detectors to set it off.

In addition, should we be here and someone come in and set it off - and put a gun to our heads to turn it off - it has a setting where you can turn it off but the company and police are notified you have someone threatening you there. In additon, a button for fire and medical and a smoke alarm system.

Even if someone COULD get in, they have 30 secs - they can't find much hidden in that time.

Is it a perfect system? No, none are - be it safes, safe deposit boxes, or even burying it - but its cheaper than an expensive safe that can not be moved - can go with us if we ever leave this place.........and a lot of additional benefits.

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http://sneakysafes.com/


these seem good too

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Check out Tim Larkin's Target-Focus Training. They have excellent training that will get you out of those situations.
Also very useful for those situations when you can't carry concealed like on a commercial plane flight.

I love their motto: Violence is rarely the answer, but when it is... it's the only answer! :boxing:

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Agreed. When you are attacked in yor home it is win or die. The attacker has other options. He can quit the fight and leave. In most cases, an attacker will give up a fight if he meets stiff resistance. He can always find another target.

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Even with a safe, I think it's best to keep a low profile. There is no upside in bragging about or displaying what you have. Keep a few firearms hidden and within reach.
Mod1