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keehah | 10-26-2006 03:39 PM
The Path Beyond Petroleum:Twelve Theses Not really new for any of us, but a nice tight review and some good cribbing comments in the twelveth. Quote:
The Path Beyond Petroleum: Twelve Theses By Peter Goodchild 25 October, 2006 Countercurrents.org "Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed." (Gen. 19:17) 1. Oil production in the year 2025 will be half that of the year 2000. If we combine those figures with those of world population, we find a ratio of 5 barrels of oil per person per year in 2000, but only 2 barrels of oil per person per year in 2025. 2. Alternative sources of energy have been a failure because of an extremely insufficient energy return on energy invested (EROEI). [wind can have a high return] 3. Because the entire world economy is tied to petroleum for manufacture, transportation, and communication, there will be an increasing problem of high prices and low wages. Such economic struggles could in turn result in a lack of investor confidence, and a sudden collapse of the currency market and stock market. 4. The shortage of oil will continue to result in warfare, which will be increasingly global in nature. 5. The above events - and their further consequences, such as pestilence - will cause considerable mortality. Population expansion, in other words, will be followed by population contraction. 6. The conventional news media and the politicians will not state the problems. It is bad business to deliver bad news, and always has been - e.g., during the Great Depression of the 1930s. 7. Solutions on a global scale are impossible, because there is no responsible governing or decision-making body for all those billions of people, or even for a large segment of those people. There are no Illuminati. Nor can one hope for a great deal in terms of more-subtle or more-indirect influences from the scientific or academic community, ... and most people are basically illiterate. 8. Nevertheless, planning for post-oil survival must be on a scale larger than that of the individual person. Anthropological studies indicate that the working group (i.e. the group that collectively performs most daily activities) in most societies is about 100 people. Groups of that size may be impossible at first, of course, but the number provides an ideal to be kept in mind. 9. Since the Industrial Revolution, most people in developed countries have increasingly lost touch with the concepts of home town and family. They have not "followed the plow" but rather the factory, which is built or rebuilt wherever the owners find it convenient to do so. Returning to those earlier concepts will therefore be difficult, but it will be necessary. 10. Survival in the country will be easier than survival in the city, because cities require the importation of food, water, heating fuel, and other materials. 11. The modern world has been characterized by an elaborate infrastructure (transportation, communication, etc.) and an elaborate division of labor. The basic skills for providing food, clothing, and shelter have therefore been largely forgotten, but they must be relearned. 12. Present texts on country living contain a great deal of misinformation, because of decades of cribbing: much on the topics of permaculture, organic gardening, and intensive gardening fits into this category. Relearning will therefore be largely a matter of getting one's hands dirty and doing much experimentation. The simple life is, for most people of the modern world, not simple at all: even a supposedly simple task may require, for the uninitiated, an apparently infinite number of sub-tasks, which will often require methods of learning beyond that of following written texts.
http://www.countercurrents.org/po-goodchild251006.htm

The Shadow | 10-26-2006 05:48 PM
Re: The Path Beyond Petroleum:Twelve Theses Google....... "Gull Island oil"......see what you think.:smile:

keehah | 10-26-2006 05:52 PM
Re: The Path Beyond Petroleum:Twelve Theses My thoughts on Gull Island are here (post 13) http://goldismoney.info/forums/showt...ht=gull+island Just consider it 11 Theses if you need to skip the first one.

Large Sarge | 10-27-2006 06:05 AM
Re: The Path Beyond Petroleum:Twelve Theses try telling it to Stanley Meyers widowed wife, and family the energy crisis is real folks, because they keep capping the oil wells and killing off all the researchers. http://goldismoney.info/forums/showt...stanley+meyers

RiverRat | 10-27-2006 09:42 AM
Re: The Path Beyond Petroleum:Twelve Theses :cool2: Quote:
8. Nevertheless, planning for post-oil survival must be on a scale larger than that of the individual person. Anthropological studies indicate that the working group (i.e. the group that collectively performs most daily activities) in most societies is about 100 people. Groups of that size may be impossible at first, of course, but the number provides an ideal to be kept in mind.
I think the someone should point the way to the library so he can read Robinson Caruso...or maybe Lord of The Flys... 100 is an ideal ? Whoa...that's a mob or a small tribe that might want their own country and government... No thanks..two is max...that way the vote is either a tie or 100% in favor or against. Less problems...speeds up the evolution process. :D :D

keehah | 10-27-2006 02:49 PM
Re: The Path Beyond Petroleum:Twelve Theses Quote:
100 is an ideal ? Whoa...that's a mob or a small tribe that might want their own country and government...
Exactly. No need for a larger country and government (other than to keep other larger countries or governments from overrunning). Quote:
The word "tribalism" can refer to two related but distinct concepts. The first is a social system where human society is divided into small, roughly independent subgroups, called tribes. Tribal societies lacked any organizational level beyond that of the local tribe, with each tribe consisting only of a very small, local population. The internal social structure of a tribe can vary greatly from case to case, but, due to the small size of tribes, it is always a relatively simple structure, with few (if any) significant social distinctions between individuals. Some tribes are particularly egalitarian, and most tribes have only a vague notion of private property; many have none at all. A shared sense of identity and kinship encourages the development of kin selection. Tribalism has also been sometimes been called "primitive communism" but this is rather misleading since allegiance to a communist state is not based on kin-selective altruism. One thing that is certain is that tribalism is the very first social system that human beings ever lived in, and it has lasted much longer than any other kind of society to date. The other concept to which the word "tribalism" frequently refers is the possession of a strong cultural or ethnic identity that separates oneself as a member of one group from the members of another. This phenomenon is related to the concept of tribal society in that it is a precondition for members of a tribe to possess a strong feeling of identity for a true tribal society to form. The distinction between these two definitions for tribalism is an important one because, while tribal society no longer strictly exists in the western world, tribalism, by this second definition, is arguably undiminished. People have postulated that the human brain is hard-wired towards tribalism due to its evolutionary advantages.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribalism Not that we 'can go back', but we also should not ignore the structures we were built for /evolved for when looking at alternatives to the unworkable, soon to end, status quo. Max two RR? What happens if I have a child? Does my wife or the baby get the boot? :rolleyes:

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