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Stealinator | 02-18-2009 10:15 AM
port-a-pody Off to wally world to pick up a portible toilet , I saw two left last week. Still trying to figure out what , in the event, to do with the 'crap' literaly , and have yet to come up with a solution. I rember in the scouts, decades ago, we made latrines, and were a few simple guidelines, but that was short term and would hate to have buried crap mines all over my backyard. I have no bugout location, my home will have to suffice, and have public h2o, sewer, elec, etc. Does have a fireplace I put in last year, and is on a hill, about 12' above the street and higher than neighbors with a ditch in front, running parallal to residential street. My fist thought was to put a 4" pipe from back yard,with a Y connector from one downspout, underground, and daylighting inside the 18" pipe that connects either side of ditch at end of my driveway, if did not get a rainfall for a few weeks, do not think the neighbors would appriciate the stench coming from 'my side ' of the street. Any one else solve this dilima. Also, anyone rig up (basins?) to catch rain water from gutters? slate shingles would be nice, but I have standard like most. Guess simple water filtration will suffice? how long till is considered stagnent?

budfox | 02-18-2009 10:19 AM
Re: port-a-pody Get a catapult and fire it over the fence into the neighbor's yard. If he says anything deny it and say the shit must have hit the fan.

mick silver | 02-18-2009 10:26 AM
Re: port-a-pody get one of the old folks toilet there nicer you can move it around easer an it got a 5 gallon bucket , i have one in my hunting cabin ,,,, med suppy store carry them ,, i have a fire pit i put the sh.. in an burn it off

Dave | 02-18-2009 10:34 AM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver (Post 1577759) get one of the old folks toilet there nicer you can move it around easer an it got a 5 gallon bucket , i have one in my hunting cabin ,,,, med suppy store carry them ,, i have a fire pit i put the sh.. in an burn it off
That must smell pretty bad? I am asking because I think that is a great idea for sanitation. Maybe a nice hot drum fire away from the house to dispose of the sewage with? Dave

Weho Dave | 02-18-2009 10:38 AM
Re: port-a-pody Look for the plans for a composting toilet on here. Built with a 5-gallon bucket, toilet seat, and some plywood. The compost can be used as fertilizer.

St. Germain | 02-18-2009 10:40 AM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by budfox (Post 1577743) Get a catapult and fire it over the fence into the neighbor's yard. If he says anything deny it and say the shit must have hit the fan.
:4_1_72::4_1_72::4_1_72: ST

Dave | 02-18-2009 11:39 AM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by Weho Dave (Post 1577773) Look for the plans for a composting toilet on here. Built with a 5-gallon bucket, toilet seat, and some plywood. The compost can be used as fertilizer.
You can fertilize with human waste? Dave

GOLD DUCK | 02-18-2009 11:40 AM
Re: port-a-pody QWAK,When I first bought the DUCK NEST all there was -- was a SHELL so I built my own "port-a- potty" from scrap wood around a 5 gal. pail with a lid.:thinkey::hahaha::s1: I messed UP:yes: -- put some BLEACH in the bucket:36_1_30: to sanitise it! DON'T do THAT:452: it makes toxic FUMES when you PEE!:yes::36_1_25: Makes your EYES WATER when siting on top :yes::cryin2::4_1_72: Was probably at least ONE of the reasons the lady I was with and her two little girls DECIDED they never wanted to come back!:thinkey::yes::36_1_25::thumb.aspx: some times little things:wink: become BIG PROBLEMS!:yes::111::4_1_72::shine: the DUCK :15_1_70v:

TechGuy | 02-18-2009 11:43 AM
Re: port-a-pody We have a thetford 555, and a stock of the blue deoderizer. My plan was use to use a couple of 55 gallon drums to dump the waste into short term. Figured it would take at least 1 month for the 2 of us to fill up 2 55 gallon drums. After that, move to location far away from house and dump. If it really is a SHTF scenario, you should be able to do this no problem.

Dirty Harry | 02-18-2009 11:57 AM
Re: port-a-pody My plans are to build an outhouse directly over my existing septic tank. Just have to dig in a different line from septic to distribution box, bypassing the dosing chamber (uses electric pump). I realize this dosen't help those city dwellers, but just my idea for my situation.:ok:

Weho Dave | 02-18-2009 12:09 PM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1577931) You can fertilize with human waste? Dave
Here is a good thread on this subject. Apparently the waste has to compost for a good while before it can be used. Untreated waste should never be used as fertilizer. http://goldismoney.info/forums/showt...posting+toilet

Stealinator | 02-18-2009 12:12 PM
Re: port-a-pody Also, anyone rig up (basins?) to catch rain water from gutters? slate shingles would be nice, but I have standard like most. Guess simple water filtration will suffice? how long till is considered stagnent?

Stealinator | 02-18-2009 12:15 PM
Re: port-a-pody Thinking the 55 gal drum may be a alternative to look at. Figuring sewersystems start backing up. I know there are a few product out to put both down drain pipe and in septics that 'eat' crap?

elroy | 02-18-2009 12:30 PM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by TechGuy (Post 1577951) We have a thetford 555, and a stock of the blue deoderizer. My plan was use to use a couple of 55 gallon drums to dump the waste into short term. Figured it would take at least 1 month for the 2 of us to fill up 2 55 gallon drums. After that, move to location far away from house and dump. If it really is a SHTF scenario, you should be able to do this no problem.
A 55 gallon drum full of "stuff" is going to be hard to move not to mention the potential problem of it being spilled or breaking open. If you need to haul it off I would store it in some 5 gallon buckets with sealed lids. Probably pour the liquid in a hole in the backyard while hauling the solids off somewhere. If you have one of those little sheds in the backyard it would be a good place to set up a makeshift bathroom. I live in a rural area and can bury it in the field behind the house if needed.

Dirty Harry | 02-18-2009 12:36 PM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealinator (Post 1578029) Thinking the 55 gal drum may be a alternative to look at. Figuring sewersystems start backing up. I know there are a few product out to put both down drain pipe and in septics that 'eat' crap?
As long as there is a supply of water, and proper drainage to leech field, your septic tank should work normal.

Heimdhal | 02-18-2009 12:40 PM
Re: port-a-pody You can compost human waste. Its called humanure ;) But theres plenty of links in here already. Burning it is a good idea, but a daunting task. 5 gallon bucket, matches, little diesel fuel and a long metal pole is all you need. Be ready to smell like Sh*t for a while though. Any one whos done time in the military knows about sh*t burners ;) I still think the humanure is the best, even if it does take a bit of time.

Mantokir | 02-18-2009 12:44 PM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1577770) That must smell pretty bad? I am asking because I think that is a great idea for sanitation. Maybe a nice hot drum fire away from the house to dispose of the sewage with? Dave
Burning it is how we did it in Iraq, cut a 55 gallon drum in half, use it, when it's about half full dump some diesel fuel in it, mix it up and light on fire. Gotta keep mixing it though so you can't walk away from it. And yes... it stinks BAD!

Maxine | 02-18-2009 12:52 PM
Re: port-a-pody Someone recommended before on here, and they are also shown on another survival site, a kind of doggie loo type thing that you can bury in the backyard, intended for getting rig of dog poop. Cannot think of the brand name. If someone doesn't come up with it, I will look about and find out though.

Maxine | 02-18-2009 12:54 PM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by Mantokir (Post 1578098) Burning it is how we did it in Iraq, cut a 55 gallon drum in half, use it, when it's about half full dump some diesel fuel in it, mix it up and light on fire. Gotta keep mixing it though so you can't walk away from it. And yes... it stinks BAD!
The Housing Associations would really love that one!:yes:

Mantokir | 02-18-2009 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Maxine (Post 1578107) The Housing Associations would really love that one!:yes:
In that case... I promote the burning of crap in your back yard. :tongue_ma:

elroy | 02-18-2009 04:19 PM
Re: port-a-pody Homeowner Associations = communism on a micro scale

Joanner | 02-19-2009 01:37 AM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxine (Post 1578105) Someone recommended before on here, and they are also shown on another survival site, a kind of doggie loo type thing that you can bury in the backyard, intended for getting rig of dog poop. Cannot think of the brand name. If someone doesn't come up with it, I will look about and find out though.
That would be a Doggie Dooley. http://www.doggiedooley.com/

Glass | 02-19-2009 02:21 AM
Re: port-a-pody http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV...450_SY300_.jpg turn it into a meteor.......:4_1_72::111:

The Biss | 02-19-2009 08:18 AM
Re: port-a-pody As an armor crewmember on an Abrams tank, I used to do crap burning detail fairly regularly back in the 1st Gulf War. It's not as bad as you would expect. Burning human fecundity has an unusual, somewhat sweet smell about it.

George Spelvin | 02-19-2009 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1577931) You can fertilize with human waste? Dave
A billion screaming Chinamen can't be wrong. Google "nightsoil". Lovely little euphemism. Also, you can use it to fuel a methane generator. I lived for over a year using the 5 gallon bucket and sawdust method. Buckets were transferred to progressively aged compost piles. Finished product was scattered in the woodlot, not on the crops. I certainly wouldn't pay money for a product that does essentially the same thing.

GOLD DUCK | 02-19-2009 09:03 AM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxine (Post 1578105) Someone recommended before on here, and they are also shown on another survival site, a kind of doggie loo type thing that you can bury in the backyard, intended for getting rig of dog poop. Cannot think of the brand name. If someone doesn't come up with it, I will look about and find out though.
QWAK,Max,Back in the late 60s my folks got two SAMOIDS -- big ,white, loving dogs -- but only a small back yard for them. My dad bought one of them "dog poop" disposal things and with the proper enzimes it did work BUT filled up faster than the enzimes could break the dog poop down.:yes: Since it was such a simple thing Dad decided to "UP GRADE":wink: He got some 16" or 18" cement drain pipe doug a 3' hole set the pipe in the hole flush with the ground and made a top for it with 1" thick partical board.:yes: Worked just fine just add new enzimes a fiew times a year BUT the new BIGER/IMPROVED one filled up too so he built another about 4' away and It worked ok too untill it got full.:yes: In 82 Dad was gone and so were the dogs -- BUT not the POOP!:452: Late one night about 2 am -- Mom hears some LOUD CUSSING and screaming:yes: ----- aparently some one had JMPED the fence and intended to break in to the garage and by chance had landed on the (by then deterorated lids) broke threw and was up to there knees in some VERY NASTY DOG POOP SLUSH!:yes::36_1_25::111::4_1_72: The next morning there were easly traced FOOT PRINTS on the cement walk way!:111::cry1::yes: Unknowingly DAD had invented "DOG POOP LAND MINES":thinkey::yes::111::4_1_72::shine: very effective at protecting the perimiter of the property!:yes::thinkey::111::4_1_72::23_28_100s: The enzimes work BUT take TIME and there is a point of maxium saturation.:yes: The biger home made ones work better than the small ones sold comercialy and you can buy the enzimes in bulk much cheeper.:yes: Esencialy it is just a hole in the ground with a lid on it:yes: but IF one were to place a fiew in the right locations they could also help protect and secure ones property agenst BURGLERS and others who would see only an opertunity to ROB your home.:hahaha::thinkey: Every time Mom would tell the story of the would be BURGLER she would LAUGH till she CRIED :4_1_72::4_1_72: and would say that even after Dad was gone HE had left PROTECTION for Her and the HOME!:yes::shine: Every time I think about that person -- UP to his KNEES in "DOG S**T":36_1_25: :s10:I just QWAK UP!:yes: the DUCK

TechGuy | 02-19-2009 09:20 AM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy (Post 1578065) A 55 gallon drum full of "stuff" is going to be hard to move not to mention the potential problem of it being spilled or breaking open. If you need to haul it off I would store it in some 5 gallon buckets with sealed lids. Probably pour the liquid in a hole in the backyard while hauling the solids off somewhere. If you have one of those little sheds in the backyard it would be a good place to set up a makeshift bathroom. I live in a rural area and can bury it in the field behind the house if needed.
I have a small diesel tractor with front end loader that can move it no problem. IF you don't have a means to move it, then yes it will be a heavy load of crap. Industrial 55 gallon drums are not going to break with 55 gallons of crap in them, unless you puncture them. The 5 gallon bucket is not a bad idea either. Everyone should have a small stock of new 5 gallon buckets and lids. They are one of the most versatile survival preps.

Maslow | 02-19-2009 09:52 AM
Re: port-a-pody If you're on a municipal septic system, just use your regular toilet. Fill the toilet tank with 'grey" water, leftover from bathing, cleaning, cooking, etc., then flush as usual. You can capture water from your house's downspouts in a barrel or whatever vessel works. If you are going to drink it or use it for cooking, it will need to be treated first.

Atahualpa | 02-19-2009 10:00 AM
Re: port-a-pody In a real emergency or camp living situation (in temperate climates), you just need a shovel...dig a hole and cover it up. It is actually a very healthy way to eliminate, because you are squatting, not sitting. It keeps you clean and keeps the crap far away from your living environment. The bacteria in the soil takes care of the waste in no time...topsoil is where the bacterial is most concentrated. Longer term, an outhouse.

Stealinator | 02-19-2009 10:13 AM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by Maslow (Post 1580190) If you're on a municipal septic system, just use your regular toilet. Fill the toilet tank with 'grey" water, leftover from bathing, cleaning, cooking, etc., then flush as usual. You can capture water from your house's downspouts in a barrel or whatever vessel works. If you are going to drink it or use it for cooking, it will need to be treated first.
Is my first option, but if service down for extended time, will eventually back up. Had a problem in a house years ago with roots growing into a line. Backed it up and lower level of house was not a pretty sight.

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Stealinator | 02-19-2009 10:16 AM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by The Biss (Post 1580028) As an armor crewmember on an Abrams tank, I used to do crap burning detail fairly regularly back in the 1st Gulf War. It's not as bad as you would expect. Burning human fecundity has an unusual, somewhat sweet smell about it.
Hey Bliss, shot in the dark here. Had a good friend lost contact with. He too was in a Abrams back then, ever hear of him?, Steve Rogers. Think he is still active duty Army.

GOLD DUCK | 02-19-2009 10:53 AM
Re: port-a-pody QWAK,sort of on topic:wink::111::cry1: Government anounces NEW "BRIDGE LOAN" program! :yes::thinkey: After examining the many :hahaha:"BRIDGES to NO WARE" that the government has built as "SPECIAL PROJECTS" :wink: it has been sugested :thinkey::stupid:that DISPLACED home owners and there families :favorites21:be "LOANED" the public land UNDER and around BRIDGES as temporary SHELTER from the natural eliments!:36_1_63: DESIGNATED bridges for this purpose will be selected and POST BOXES erected :yes:--- so people living in the "SHELTERS" can recieve GOVERNMENT checks! :yippee::23_30_104: The people moving to the "BRIDGE SHELTERS" are incouraged to DO as much as they can to make them selves COMFORTABLE:yes: as they will be mostly ON there OWN and may have to live that way for several YEARS!:thumb.aspx: A seperate program is being proposed to supply PORTABLE SANITATION:yes: --- 5 gal. buckets with lids to each designated bridge:yippee: how ever it is ADVISED:thinkey: that people bring there OWN BUCKETS:yes: because it could take some time for the government to set aproperate STANDARDS for GOVERNMENT S**T BUCKETS:yes::censored: and by that time a LOT of S**T is likely to PILE UP!:yes: LOL -- ROTFL:111::4_1_72::shine: because other wise I would CRY!:shine: the DUCK

G.W.Tanker | 02-19-2009 11:29 AM
Re: port-a-pody ding (light bulb goes off over head), there's a beater rv down the road for under $2K, use it's nice comfy comode and when full take a clandestine trip out to the country (farmers field, river, empty stretch of freeway) and spread the **** out as you drive. Basically what pass. jets & ships do all the time right? Around here the feedlot/dairy manure trucks "used to" spill lots of their load on the roads on their way to the farmers field for spreading. Just an idea. Maybe get a tax break for the rv qualifying as a second home? Tanker

Mantokir | 02-19-2009 01:24 PM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by The Biss (Post 1580028) As an armor crewmember on an Abrams tank, I used to do crap burning detail fairly regularly back in the 1st Gulf War. It's not as bad as you would expect. Burning human fecundity has an unusual, somewhat sweet smell about it.
Must be an aquired taste. :coolbeer:

reviver | 02-19-2009 01:32 PM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by GOLD DUCK (Post 1580100) Late one night about 2 am -- Mom hears some LOUD CUSSING and screaming:yes: ----- aparently some one had JMPED the fence and intended to break in to the garage and by chance had landed on the (by then deterorated lids) broke threw and was up to there knees in some VERY NASTY DOG POOP SLUSH!:yes::36_1_25::111::4_1_72: The next morning there were easly traced FOOT PRINTS on the cement walk way!:111::cry1::yes: Unknowingly DAD had invented "DOG POOP LAND MINES":thinkey::yes::111::4_1_72::shine: very effective at protecting the perimiter of the property!:yes::thinkey::111::4_1_72::23_28_100s: the DUCK
Oh man, I laughed so hard tears came to my eyes. Thank you for that Duck. Humanure is the answer...if you can stand it.

G.W.Tanker | 03-02-2009 02:37 AM
Re: port-a-pody Doggy poop land mines, that is funny! Reminds me of the first night we spent in Quwait city, "never get off of the "tank""(Appoc. Now phrase)" we pulled into the edge of town at dark, next morn. to find we set upon the previous Iraqi battalions latrine (btw, Iraqi's didn't bury their s**t) needles to say, between the cluster bombs we dropped and the "cluster bombs they dropped" I p****d off the fender and dove back into the turrent. The Bliss: We didn't stick around long enough to burn s**t but I remember coming upon trenches of the unburnt s**t, damn; MRE box and tp is heaven compared to crankin' one off in a 50cal box and hucking it off the road as far as you can; laugh to think of the poor soul who opened said ammo can to find genuine USMC s**t intered just 50' off the MSR; to think how the Chechins feel. Tanker

aybesee123 | 03-02-2009 04:32 AM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by TechGuy (Post 1577951) We have a thetford 555, and a stock of the blue deoderizer. My plan was use to use a couple of 55 gallon drums to dump the waste into short term. Figured it would take at least 1 month for the 2 of us to fill up 2 55 gallon drums.
What are the two of you eating that makes you produce close to two gallons of waste a day each? :thumb.aspx:

Avalon | 03-02-2009 09:57 AM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by GOLD DUCK (Post 1577945) QWAK,When I first bought the DUCK NEST all there was -- was a SHELL so I built my own "port-a- potty" from scrap wood around a 5 gal. pail with a lid.:thinkey::hahaha::s1: I messed UP:yes: -- put some BLEACH in the bucket:36_1_30: to sanitise it! DON'T do THAT:452: it makes toxic FUMES when you PEE!:yes::36_1_25: Makes your EYES WATER when siting on top :yes::cryin2::4_1_72: Was probably at least ONE of the reasons the lady I was with and her two little girls DECIDED they never wanted to come back!:thinkey::yes::36_1_25::thumb.aspx: some times little things:wink: become BIG PROBLEMS!:yes::111::4_1_72::shine: the DUCK :15_1_70v:
LMAO... toxic fumes when you pee... :4_1_72: Duck it would have been sad to have surived Vietnam and then be done in by the fumes of a porta-potty..:bear_w00t:

GOLD DUCK | 03-02-2009 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1602444) LMAO... toxic fumes when you pee... :4_1_72: Duck it would have been sad to have surived Vietnam and then be done in by the fumes of a porta-potty..:bear_w00t:
QWAk,Avalon,:36_1_30:Nonleathal fumes :yes: --- they just make you CRY!:yes::111::4_1_72::shine: and nose run too -- cleans out the SINUSES!:wink: the DUCK :4_1_72::4_1_72::15_1_70v:

Avalon | 03-02-2009 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by GOLD DUCK (Post 1602486) QWAk,Avalon,:36_1_30:Nonlethal fumes :yes: --- they just make you CRY!:yes::111::4_1_72::shine: and nose run too -- cleans out the SINUSES!:wink: the DUCK :4_1_72::4_1_72::15_1_70v:
I got over enthusiastic cleaning the toilet one day and mixed toilet bowl cleaner and bleach.. It bubbled up and filled the bathroom with toxic fumes.. Im not sure if they were lethal or not but I wont do that again..

RealJack | 03-02-2009 10:33 AM
Re: port-a-pody Humanure... google it! It works. Ok, here's what you do doo. Get your self one of those portable potty stools for old folks. Get one used if you can. Slip a 5 gallon bucket underneath. They fit perfectly under the lid of the stool. Keep two or three empty buckets within reach as well. Keep a bucket full of sawdust. If you can't access sawdust, got to the pet department and buy a big bag of bedding material for hamsters or wood shavings. In fact, it doesn't have to be wood shavings, it could be a big bag of shredded newspaper or any chopped up dry fluffy mulch. Go out side and make a compost bin separate from the garden compost out of chicken wire or old pallets. Basically anything that'll keep night critters from getting into it and spreading it around. 3x3 or 4x4 works well. Fill it about half full of old straw or grass clippings or leaves. Whatever brown compost material you have available in your yard. Try to keep your lawn clippings in a pile next to it, or get a few bales of straw. Now you're pretty much set for shit disposal when the need arises. Again, Google Humanure. It'll explain the technique far better than I can. The result is a safe, contained, simple emergency set-up that I think every neighborhood suburban household should have as a standby. You don't need to use it every day, just have it as a standby. Please forget about that Blue Chemical... the stuff basically turns todays shit into tomorrows toxic waste. Not good. Burning is just a waste of energy. Save your stored water for drinking, cooking, cleaning or the garden. Basically, if the power supply goes out and the water supply gets shut off, most everyone in the neighborhood is going to be shitting into plastic bags and tossing it out. That's going to create a fricking nightmare of epic proportions far more dangerous than roving zombies. Before long that improperly handled shit will explode into disease and death.

GOLD DUCK | 03-02-2009 10:36 AM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1602495) I got over enthusiastic cleaning the toilet one day and mixed toilet bowl cleaner and bleach.. It bubbled up and filled the bathroom with toxic fumes.. Im not sure if they were lethal or not but I wont do that again..
QWAk,Avalon,Aint CHEMISTRY GREAT:questionm:s1: One can even make EXPLOCIVES:yes: from "PEE" and some other common house hold chemicals!:thinkey::hahaha::yes: Many of nature creatures use "PEE" as a very effective WEAPON and perfected both TECHNIQUE of delivery and CONCENTRATION of the "chemical WEAPON" to help them survive for EONS!:yes::thinkey: You GOT to WORK with WHAT you GOT:yes: If one is CREATIVE:wink::thinkey: Even "PEE" can be ENOUGH for the SURVIVAL of a whole SPECIES!:yes::111::4_1_72::shine: the DUCK :15_1_70v:

Ash_Williams | 03-02-2009 11:28 AM
Re: port-a-pody I don't know how much you guys crap but I know I'd be fine for months if I just dug a deep hole in the backyard and put a chunk of wood over it to seal in the freshness. You could make a few holes and not put covers on them. It would discourage nighttime looters.

TechGuy | 03-02-2009 11:35 AM
Re: port-a-pody Quote:
Originally Posted by aybesee123 (Post 1602143) What are the two of you eating that makes you produce close to two gallons of waste a day each? :thumb.aspx:
If you are using a porta potti, it uses a small amount of water for sanitary reasons (just think airplane toilet). So 2 gallons a day is pretty much what we have seen. We used to go camping A LOT so we have lots of XP with porta potti's.

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