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Nuggethunter | 11-15-2006 12:58 AM
US CONSTITUTION Is your standard of living and M/O more important than the well being of the US Constitution and the country? If it is then your guilty! Security over freedom? It looks that way for a lot if not most of the folks in GIM. SomeOne told me 50% of GIM is B.S. . I didnt believe him. But I think we have a bunch of selfish cowards here ON G I M Proofs in the pudding! Just an observation! I'm sure I'm wrong. But if this bunches your pants then we have an issue! i THOUGHT ABOUT NOT POSTING THIS BUT SAID WHY NOT, IF WERE NOT GUILTY WE WONT BE OFFENDED, RIGHT?

negative1 | 11-15-2006 01:03 AM
Re: US CONSTITUTION Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuggethunter (Post 416794) Is your standard of living and M/O more important than the well being of the US Constitution and the country? If it is then your guilty! Security over freedom? It looks that way for a lot if not most of the folks in GIM. SomeOne told me 50% of GIM is B.S. . I didnt believe him. But I think we have a bunch of selfish cowards here ON G I M Proofs in the pudding! Just an observation! I'm sure I'm wrong. But if this bunches your pants then we have an issue! i THOUGHT ABOUT NOT POSTING THIS BUT SAID WHY NOT, IF WERE NOT GUILTY WE WONT BE OFFENDED, RIGHT?
What actions have you taken to "fix" things? -1

REV127 | 11-15-2006 01:21 AM
Re: US CONSTITUTION You want to talk about pain and guilt? Every man or woman who as ever been in the military swore an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic, before God nonetheless. We're talking about millions of our trained warriors. None of them have ever lived up to that oath. Here is the oath of enlistment. "I, (state your name), do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United Statez and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." Here is the oath of allegiance, I, {insert name here}, do solemnly swear, that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. So we have this huge warrior class, with the best funding, equipment and training in the world, who take these oaths before God. And they do nothing. That sucks, doesn't it? We have otherwise brave and honorable men and women dying every day to enforce some nancyboy politician's dream of oppressing third world goatherders, but they won't defend the Constitution. Many others, including the nancyboy politicians have taken similar oaths. They are also as useless as mammary glands on a tomcat. I have taken such an oath twice. I've tried to help my fellow Americans but I sure haven't figured out a way to defend the Constitution. Even foreigners who become American citizens take such an oath and do nothing. "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God." I want to see the lawful government of the United States Of America restored. I have no real workable plan to make that happen yet.

TheSimpleton | 11-15-2006 01:50 PM
Re: US CONSTITUTION Only a Simpleton could be so foolish as to touch a baited trap. There are certain stages and seasons to things. Suppose that a foriegn nation bullies your nation--what do you do about it? Should you bomb them for non-cooperation, what they call "Belligerence" these days? How about for their actions? Should you attempt diplomacy first? Directly? Through third parties? Should you try to educate them to come to an understanding? Cut off their funding? Ignore them? Back home, when do you decide this is not a passing nuisance but a long-term peril to your nation? It takes sacrifice from other parts of your focus and economy to do that. When you start preparing, do you admit it, to your own nation, your own people, and/or to them, knowing it will make them more belligerant and move faster? Let's suppose these things: talk, 3rd parties, cutting off funding, minor skirmishes do not deter them from their path. When do you propose to pull the trigger and say you are in a "conflict" with them? There are many things you can do and tactically accomplish before you declare that you will not be able to afterward. Do you start a war before you have arranged uniforms, supplies and supply lines, allies, commodities, public presentation? And one thing is certain: once that conflict is declared, it will be suicidal to all involved, until all both countries love and value is utterly destroyed, leaving one party dead, and one bleeding in the mud, exhausted and broken. So back to your question. Are you suggesting the people take up arms today? Or petitions? Are you suggesting that the US and Canada (And soon Britain) both turning over their governments is not enough? And if so, what do you plan to do about the root of the problem, which is the way the west thinks about themselves, about success, about each other and about countries they extract resources from? From Tn_Andy's thread on Peasants, and the Survival forum, it would seem that preparations among formerly average Americans has been brisk--and also around the world as we see in Britain, Oz, and even Germany/EU. Perhaps you wish that people would prepare and defend at your pace, instead of their own, and perhaps others wish that you would prepare and defend at theirs. For only one thing is sure, when you know the best outcome will be to lie broken and bleeding in the mud--alive--then it seems intelligent to give other means every possible opportunity, and yourself and neighbors as much preparation time as possible. For myself, the answer to all these things is two: the change has to come in yourself, not the other guy; and education, to make the truth be heard, will lead all people to a better, more intelligent way. The problem now is from a long legacy of lies and mis-truths that are the base assumptions of Western culture. Fix that and there will be no need for wars and conflicts. TS "Humor dances close the fire of truth" So lighten up, mon!

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