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Ag_man | 08-01-2008 08:24 PM
Nuclear War Survival Skills The classic 1979 text by Dr. Creston Kearney, Nuclear War Survival Skills, is available here http://simplylivingsmart.com/store/i...&products_id=5 for $15.95 (I paid more for my used copy on e-Bay!). I really recommend this book!

Squirrel Bait | 08-02-2008 09:04 AM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills Quote:
Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1219310) The classic 1979 text by Dr. Creston Kearney, Nuclear War Survival Skills, is available here http://simplylivingsmart.com/store/i...&products_id=5 for $15.95 (I paid more for my used copy on e-Bay!). I really recommend this book!
I will wholeheartedly agree. Most people don't want to go there cause we are talking Nuclear war and many see that as hopeless. But that is really not the case as Creston Kearney points out. This is an excellent reference book for all sorts of technical questions as well as the simple common sense solutions. s

Keef | 08-02-2008 10:26 AM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills I had a dream where I saw this country get nuked, similar to the dream I had that showed the collapse of our economy would start in the middle of June 2007. A vivid dream and except for those who were killed instantly in major cities, there were many survivors. I had no time frame on the event, except I was well dressed and working in an office environment when it happened and at the time I had the dream, I never worked in an office before. I do today and in fact the land around our office building looks similar to the scenery I saw in the dream. If we do experience war/nuclear devastation there will be a real shortage of doctors and medicines. Aspirin is not going to do much if you have radiation sickness or third degree burns. I believe strong pain killers would be worth much more than gold in that scenario and almost impossible to find if you don't prepare now.. For those who want to have morphine type pain medication in their preps, but have no access to supply, I suggest stocking up on Papaver Somniferum Poppies. These are dried opium poppies you can buy legally right now for flower arrangements on eBay. (they are also loaded with viable seeds, poppy seeds sold in the store today have been sterilized so the won't sprout) Anyone with a tea pot and a blender one can learn how to easily extract morphine, hydrocodone, and codine along with three other pain relievers from the poppy pods. These alkaloids are all water soluble and easy to extract from the ground up pod material. If you or your children were in serious pain you would want access to this type of medication and if you use your head, you can prepare for it now. But be aware, although it's legal to possess the pods, it's not legal to extract these chemicals from the pods. (Although in a katrina type situation I am sure that law would become mute) Hopefully, you will never need them for anything but a nice floral arrangement. They also would be of great value as trading supplies. On average, 10-15 large pods easily contain enough morphine to eliminate kidney stone type pain. One of the reasons afghan fighters were so tough? They had an endless supply of this medication.

Black Blade | 08-02-2008 12:46 PM
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Black Blade | 08-02-2008 12:56 PM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills Quote:
Anyone with a tea pot and a blender one can learn how to easily extract morphine, hydrocodone, and codine along with three other pain relievers from the poppy pods. These alkaloids are all water soluble and easy to extract from the ground up pod material. If you or your children were in serious pain you would want access to this type of medication and if you use your head, you can prepare for it now.
I never tried coldwater extraction from opiate meds but it is relatively easy. Personally I would rather just make "poppy pod tea" for those times when I have somewhat severe pain. Saves money and easy to do. A poppy pod tincture (laudenam) is easy to make as well and probably a good idea to make a few bottles for PAW when medical care is either overwhelmed or non-existent. I just wouldn't advertise the fact if you should decide to do this of course. Remember to always use Giganteum Papaver Somniferum pods tho. - Black Blade <<<<<

Rebel Yarr | 08-02-2008 05:08 PM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills There is a 1987 edition as well - it is about 7 MB PDF - PM me. Looks like some parts are copyright and others aren't - created from U.S. Department of Energy mat/research

jamesfrancisco | 08-02-2008 06:55 PM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills Start growing your poppies - there is nothing illegal about it until you lance them to extract the opium. Just a pretty flower. :)

Keef | 08-02-2008 07:49 PM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills In my dream most people went into shock/couldn't believe what was happening. Then they tried to pull together and help one another like NYC did, post 911. Then a few seemed to just 'loose their minds' and become hysterical and mentally/emotionally broke down, those people effected panic/breakdown in others. I still believe real survival will become 90% emotional/mental. Beans, guns and gold won't save you if you loose your will to survive or become overwhelmed by severe emotional fatigue. That is why now is the time to buckle into something, I don't care if it's drugs, Jesus, self-help mediation groups or a ticket to leave N America. Some 'circuit breaker' type preparations may become necessary if things truly become apocalyptic. My 86 year old neighbor told me that weekly trips to the cinema were a necessary escape for him just to keep his spirits up during the trials of The Great Depression. At the very least, a solar powered DVD player and some DVDs that you find inspiring in some way would be a great help. Positive music can also help restore the inner man. So, keeping your body alive might become the easy part. Maintaining your determination to live, I believe, will become the greatest challenge for many and I see few making preps in that area.

Caligula | 08-02-2008 08:40 PM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills All you poppy endorsers are nuts.....:confused_ma: The only thing worse than extreme pain.....is opiate addiction and withdrawl. :banghead:

Keef | 08-02-2008 08:56 PM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills No one here is endorsing abuse of dangerous narcotics. I hope most of us have matured past that type of thinking and you totally missed the point of the post. I don't trust our medical systems to be able to provide for extreme catastrophic disaster. If you do, fine. I know what it's like to have kidney stone type pain for hours and also what it's like to fight off the grim reaper face to face to keep life in my body.. It should be obvious by now that mother nature has some weeding out to do.. And I have no problem with being 'nuts'. You should have seen the look in my co workers faces when I showed them the 10 gold roosters I just bought from Tulving back in early 2000 for $56/each and suggested they needed to sell their 'tech stocks' and do the same. This one gal looked at me in shock like I was the 'nuttiest' person she ever encountered in her life. In fact, I'm getting to the point where I take great pride in being considered 'nuts'.

jamesfrancisco | 08-02-2008 09:19 PM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills Quote:
Originally Posted by Caligula (Post 1220608) All you poppy endorsers are nuts.....:confused_ma: The only thing worse than extreme pain.....is opiate addiction and withdrawl. :banghead:
Pain can last your entire life. Opiate withdrawal lasts a few days, no matter how long you have been taking it. Your choice.

Maddie | 08-03-2008 06:29 AM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills Quote:
Originally Posted by Caligula (Post 1220608) All you poppy endorsers are nuts.....:confused_ma: The only thing worse than extreme pain.....is opiate addiction and withdrawl. :banghead:
As someone with a lot of experience with extreme pain, I can't even begin to tell you how wrong you are. Pray you never have to find out. Keef and Jamefranscisco are right. Know how to grow them and know how to use them (or at least know how to recognize them at your favorite flower shop). Btw, growing or selling Papaver sominferum pods is prohibited in the US, but that law is widely ignored by the florist industry. For the record, I also think anyone without his or her own prebuilt shelter should have a copy of Nuclear War Survival Skills handy at all times.

jamesfrancisco | 08-03-2008 07:12 AM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills You can buy poppy heads from Ebay, which are clearly meant for making poppy tea. Growing them is not illegal where I live, but as soon as you lance the pod it becomes illegal. From what I've heard though, your average Fed wouldn't know how to distinguish Papaver Sominferum if it walked right up to him and shouted. Which, if he took enough, he might well see it do... :D

jamesfrancisco | 08-03-2008 07:20 AM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills Quote:
Originally Posted by Keef (Post 1219967) poppy seeds sold in the store today have been sterilized so the won't sprout
That's not actually true - even in the US, any seeds you buy will sprout. The whole "sterilised" thing was either a fed rumour, or an internet rumour that spread. Also, unless you are an advanced chemist, you cannot extract morphine or hydrocodone from poppies. You take all the alkaloids, or you take none. All works just as well...

Igotyour6 | 08-03-2008 10:36 AM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills if you would like to read this book now you can do a google search for "Nuclear War Survival Skills PDF" and their are two free download versions, one is the fema version http://www.nukepills.com/docs/FEMA_N...r_Survival.pdf from 1985 and the other is the 1987 edition. http://www.nukepills.com/docs/nuclea...val_skills.pdf Oh by the way hello everyone! I have been a long time reader here and finally decided to become a member.

platinumdude | 08-03-2008 11:17 PM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills I'm hoping the rapture comes before a major nuclear war.

Igotyour6 | 08-06-2008 08:59 PM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1222007) I'm hoping the rapture comes before a major nuclear war.
or maybe be at ground zero or maybe just maybe we could be lucky and be the ones that aare not n the danger zone and make a fresh start

Unclad Lad | 08-10-2008 02:59 AM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills Quote:
The only thing worse than extreme pain.....is opiate addiction and withdrawl.
But what's worse than that is dying in extreme pain with no way to lessen it. Read up on radiation sickness--it's horrible.

Squirrel Bait | 08-10-2008 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Unclad Lad (Post 1231026) But what's worse than that is dying in extreme pain with no way to lessen it. Read up on radiation sickness--it's horrible.
Maybe you should read up on how to prevent radiation sickness, and then take those first few steps. The first of those steps is getting some KOI3 or KI. It's not real expensive, lasts for years, and will be totally unavailable once something occurs s

messianicdruid | 08-10-2008 11:27 AM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills "How to Prepare for Nuclear Situation Here is a great web site that gives you some basic instructions on how to prepare for any kind of nuclear situation that may happen. WWW.ki4u.com/guide.htm Notice that half way through the article is a recommendation about Potassium Iodide or Iodate. . . . "When fallout is first anticipated, but has not yet arrived, anyone not already sheltered should begin using a dust protector filter mask and hooded rain ponchos. Everyone should begin taking Potassium Iodide (KI) or Potassium Iodate (KIO3) tablets for thyroid protection against cancer causing radioactive iodine, a major product of nuclear weapons explosions. If no tablets available, you can topically (on the skin) apply an iodine solution, like tincture of iodine or Betadine, for a similar protective effect. (WARNING: Iodine solutions are NEVER to be ingested or swallowed.) For adults, paint 8 ml of a 2 percent tincture of Iodine on the abdomen or forearm each day, ideally at least 2 hours prior to possible exposure. For children 3 to 18, but under 150 pounds, only half that amount painted on daily, or 4 ml. For children under 3 but older than a month, half again, or 2 ml. For newborns to 1 month old, half it again, or just 1 ml. (One measuring teaspoon is about 5 ml, if you don't have a medicine dropper graduated in ml.) If your iodine is stronger than 2%, reduce the dosage accordingly. Absorption through the skin is not as reliable a dosing method as using the tablets, but tests show that it will still be very effective for most. Do not use if allergic to iodine. If at all possible, inquire of your doctor NOW if there is any reason why anybody in your household should not use KI or KIO3 tablets, or iodine solutions on their skin, in a future nuclear emergency, just to be sure." We are making Potassium Iodate available for you at $20/bottle of 200 tablets. These should be stored until needed. Do not take them as a vitamin supplement for iodine. They are measured for adults to take one tablet twice a day. For children, take half that amount. For infants, take 1/4 of a tablet. For pets, estimate by body weight. If you anticipate friends, relatives, or even neighbors staying with you during the radioactive time, you will simply have to stock extra, because chances are, they will not be prepared. The vast majority of Americans are unprepared for such an event, because in spite of all the fear today, most people still just don't believe such a thing could happen to us. The fact is, however, that ANY nuclear event ANYWHERE around the globe is going to affect us. The winds will carry radioactive material around the globe. If it takes a week to get here, so much the better, but it is not going to be safe until 45 days after the last incident. Radioactive levels are considered at a safe level after 45 days. That is why the Potassium Iodate tablets are packaged in bottles of 200. Each bottle will last 50 days per adult, who takes two tablets a day 12 hours apart. This is cheap thyroid insurance, and like any insurance policy, one always hopes that one never needs to actually use it. However, because there are paranoid Israelis and angry Iranians, the world is not a very safe place any more. In my view, Isaiah 29:6 describes a nuclear incident in Palestine (Jerusalem), so to me it is only a matter of time before something happens over there, if not a little closer to home. An incident over there may take a week to get here, but don't wait until then to get a stock of Potassium Iodate or other preparations. If you wait too long, you may have to compete with a mad rush of the other 99% of Americans who also waited until the last minute. I suspect that all stocks of Potassium Iodate will run out on the first day, and no one will sell you any for ANY price. I am not trying to preach fear, but prudence. If you prepare ahead of time, you will reduce your level of fear accordingly if and when such an incident occurs. To order from us, just email me at:" http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.o...cfm?LogID=1130

Silverstone | 08-10-2008 12:21 PM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills Quote:
Originally Posted by Keef (Post 1220554) In my dream most people went into shock/couldn't believe what was happening. Then they tried to pull together and help one another like NYC did, post 911. Then a few seemed to just 'loose their minds' and become hysterical and mentally/emotionally broke down, those people effected panic/breakdown in others. I still believe real survival will become 90% emotional/mental. Beans, guns and gold won't save you if you loose your will to survive or become overwhelmed by severe emotional fatigue. That is why now is the time to buckle into something, I don't care if it's drugs, Jesus, self-help mediation groups or a ticket to leave N America. Some 'circuit breaker' type preparations may become necessary if things truly become apocalyptic. My 86 year old neighbor told me that weekly trips to the cinema were a necessary escape for him just to keep his spirits up during the trials of The Great Depression. At the very least, a solar powered DVD player and some DVDs that you find inspiring in some way would be a great help. Positive music can also help restore the inner man. So, keeping your body alive might become the easy part. Maintaining your determination to live, I believe, will become the greatest challenge for many and I see few making preps in that area.
I agree with you. Many people, myself included, become overwhelmed sometimes with just the prepping part (thinking part) and what if's, and when it happens, it'll be even more overwhelming, I don't think anyone can truly be prepared until they are knee deep in the crises and see it all around them, and see their family/friends suffering. Where the emotions/mind will go is the real deal. Mindset will be everything. I honestly can't predict how I will react.

Ag_man | 08-10-2008 01:31 PM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills Something to keep in mind, Iodine-131 makes up only 2% of the fallout from a fission explosion (by weight or activity, I'm not clear on) Source:The U.S . Atlas of Nuclear Fallout Vol I : Total Fallout, Miller, 2001. So, KI tablets are far from a panacea for radiation protection, something that the owners of KI4U tend to greatly overlook.

Unclad Lad | 08-10-2008 08:19 PM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills Right, Ag man. I've got the KI, and I'd like to find medical-grade Prussian Blue, too. I'm not going to pooh pooh opiate addiction, but treating extreme pain with opiates doesn't usually create a high; it dulls the pain. There are many examples of hospice patients on doses that would OD you and I. And some people aren't prone to addiction. After a week in the hospital after a car wreck, morphine drip in my arm, I just stopped getting it, and I never missed it.

Squirrel Bait | 08-11-2008 06:44 AM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills Quote:
Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1231349) Something to keep in mind, Iodine-131 makes up only 2% of the fallout from a fission explosion (by weight or activity, I'm not clear on) Source:The U.S . Atlas of Nuclear Fallout Vol I : Total Fallout, Miller, 2001. So, KI tablets are far from a panacea for radiation protection, something that the owners of KI4U tend to greatly overlook.
True, KI/KOI3 is not a cure all for radiation sickness, BUT it is a very important first step and should not be discredited. It's very important to understand the process of how Iodine is stored in the thyroid and preventing the concentration of radioactive Iodine. As evidenced in the Chernobyl disaster the difference between those who took KI and those who didn't get it until just 18 hours later is amazing. The effects, however, didn't become evident until 5-10 years later when throid cancer skyrocketed to unbelievable levels. The big concern here should be this. If a nuclear detonation or a nuclear power plant accident occurs you will not be able to get KI/KIO3 in a timely manner to do you any good. You need to have it now. It's cheap and stores real well. Oh, another thing to remember when looking at those fallout charts. Most(if not all) were developed assuming hard targets would be hit, meaning a "ground burst". Ground bursts creat a huge amount of fallout which can travel a long way. Air bursts, however, produce vastly lower amounts of radiation. If/when nukes are used I think most will be deployed as "air bursts" and that a MAD type scenario will not occur. s

Avalon | 08-11-2008 12:52 PM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills Quote:
Originally Posted by Keef (Post 1219967) I had a dream where I saw this country get nuked, similar to the dream I had that showed the collapse of our economy would start in the middle of June 2007. A vivid dream and except for those who were killed instantly in major cities, there were many survivors. I had no time frame on the event, except I was well dressed and working in an office environment when it happened and at the time I had the dream, I never worked in an office before. I do today and in fact the land around our office building looks similar to the scenery I saw in the dream. If we do experience war/nuclear devastation there will be a real shortage of doctors and medicines. .
Keefe, one of my coworkers came in to talk to me the other day. He is a young Iranian fellow. We have been friends a long time but he has just become comfortable enough to tell me certain things. One of those things was about a dream he had shortly before 9-11. He saw the explosion and the twin towers. He said when he saw the news clips they were identical to the dream. He told me he recently had a similar dream to yours about a Nuke going off in the city. He could not tell if it was here or in Iran but it was a city. I think if people had been open about discussing such things before 9-11 we would have found many who had dreams about the event. I was always hoping if a nuke went off we would be on ground zero. It actually never occurred to me we might survive and have to deal with injuries. I have been collecting drugs for a while now. I have a nice stash of painkillers but your suggestion on poppies is good idea and I will order. that and some of the iodine SB mentioned.

Ag_man | 08-11-2008 05:29 PM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 1232267) True, KI/KOI3 is not a cure all for radiation sickness, BUT it is a very important first step and should not be discredited. It's very important to understand the process of how Iodine is stored in the thyroid and preventing the concentration of radioactive Iodine. As evidenced in the Chernobyl disaster the difference between those who took KI and those who didn't get it until just 18 hours later is amazing. The effects, however, didn't become evident until 5-10 years later when throid cancer skyrocketed to unbelievable levels. The big concern here should be this. If a nuclear detonation or a nuclear power plant accident occurs you will not be able to get KI/KIO3 in a timely manner to do you any good. You need to have it now. It's cheap and stores real well.
True enough, for a few dollars, KI tablets are a very good bet. I have some. The process if iodine uptake/binding in the thyroid is quite rapid, in comparison to calcium (or strontium) in the bones. There's just a lot of bad information out there about the benefits of KI being a cure-all.

uranian | 08-12-2008 12:19 PM
Re: Nuclear War Survival Skills Quote:
Originally Posted by Keef (Post 1220621) In fact, I'm getting to the point where I take great pride in being considered 'nuts'.
took you this long? :wink:

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