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negative1 | 03-20-2007 12:38 PM
Ammo Is it just me or does it seem like ammo is drying up? Went to a gun show over the weekend and was really just looking to buy 3 or 4 cans of .50 ammo. I only found some old overpriced corrosive junk. Noticed a disturbing shortage in 7.62x39 also. OTOH I did find a 2nd Luft for a song.... http://www.hunt101.com/img/482494-big.JPG -1

wallew | 03-20-2007 12:51 PM
Re: Ammo The ammo is out there. You just have to be willing to pay $150 per 1000 (or more) and that's for 7.62x39 - if you need a few places to look, try AIM, Ammoman, KY Imports, there are lots of them. But FOR NOW, cheap ammo is gone. Probably won't be back. The easiest way to implement gun control is to make ammo SO EXPENSIVE that unless you are rich as a gay liberal you won't be able to afford to shoot your weapons. Unless push comes to shove, as it were. But buy early and buy often, cause prices ain't going down any time soon. Learn to reload for your favorite shooter (s). That defers the cost a little bit, but not by much compared to the 'good old days' when 39 went for $79 per 1000. Or you could pick up a case of Yugo for $65 cause EVERYBODY and their brother was selling it. But those days are gone for now, perhaps forever.

Frosty | 03-20-2007 06:19 PM
Re: Ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by negative1 (Post 545503) Is it just me or does it seem like ammo is drying up? Went to a gun show over the weekend and was really just looking to buy 3 or 4 cans of .50 ammo. I only found some old overpriced corrosive junk. Noticed a disturbing shortage in 7.62x39 also. OTOH I did find a 2nd Luft for a song.... http://www.hunt101.com/img/482494-big.JPG -1
7.62 x 39 ammo has been drying up and the price climbing. Found this on the web, it's probably helping to push the price higher. US sets up �215m deal for Afghan arms - from Russia By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent Last Updated: 12:44am BST 22/05/2006 <!--NO VIEW--> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>American defence officials have secretly requested a "prodigious quantity" of ammunition from Russia to supply the Afghan army in case a Democrat president takes over in Washington and pulls out US troops. The Daily Telegraph can disclose that Pentagon chiefs have asked arms suppliers for a quote on a vast amount of ordnance, including more than 78 million rounds of AK47 ammunition, 100,000 rocket-propelled grenades and 12,000 tank shells - equivalent to about 15 times the British Army's annual requirements. The Bush administration is said to want the deal because of worries that the next president could be a Democrat, possibly Hillary Clinton, who may abandon Afghanistan. advertisement <script src="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/NetGravity/mpu.js" language="javascript"></script> White House insiders fear that Afghanistan could "drift" and consequently, they want heavily to arm President Hamid Kharzai's government before the 2008 US presidential election. Diplomatic sources also believe that the US may be offering the estimated $400 million (�215 million) deal, including transport costs, to the Russians as an inducement to embargo its arms and nuclear technology exports to Iran. Defence specialists said Russian arms chiefs at first "fell about laughing" because they thought the order was a joke when it arrived this month. But with the Americans said to be pressing for a price and earliest delivery date, the request is being rapidly processed and exports could begin before the end of this year. The "decade's worth" of ammunition will give the Afghan National Army a vast arsenal to deal with Taliban or drug warlords if Washington withdraws its troops. It would allow Kabul to defend its borders against outside interference but could also be used for offensive operations against neighbours such as the old enemy, Pakistan. "This is a request for a price indication from the Pentagon to the Russians," said an arms source connected to Russia. "After that comes back they will look at their budget and turn it into an order - and it will be an order of huge magnitude. "The operations and planning staff at the Pentagon came up with numbers for their wish list. "The final order may be more or may be less but the broad aim is to spend the budget while they can. They want to stack the country up with ammunition. "It's the equivalent of buying yourself a plane to fly to Le Touquet for lunch and you get yourself a 747 jumbo instead of a light aircraft." All of the material will come from Rosoboron Exports, the sole state intermediary agency for Russia's military exports. Most Afghan weaponry is either Soviet era or compatible with Russian munitions, making shipments from Western countries unnecessary. Rosoboron is one of a few companies that could handle such a big order and should give favourable prices. The Afghan army is 35,000 strong but is expected to grow to 70,000 trained soldiers by 2009. Its troops are already beginning to receive advanced infantry training - the American order includes 50 million blank rounds - with soldiers specialising in artillery and special forces work. The order also suggests the Afghan army will be equipped with T62 tanks, Mi24 Hind attack helicopters and Spandrel anti-tank missiles. If fully trained it will provide a formidable force against insurgents and potential foreign aggressors, including Pakistan where tensions are high on the southern border. "This is completely refitting the Afghan army for the long term and it should stop a resurgence of the Taliban in its tracks," a British arms expert said. "The order will take a year to make and deliver but the Russians are used to large quantities." A senior British officer said: "The point of getting Afghanistan up and running is so they can take on their own operations. "This deal makes sense if we are going to hand over military control to them." Some observers pointed to the irony of the deal, because when the Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan the Americans sold Stinger surface-to- air missiles to the Mujahideen to enable them to shoot down Moscow's aircraft. </td></tr></tbody></table><!--NO VIEW--> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...22/ixnews.html Frosty:dontknow:

REV127 | 03-20-2007 06:30 PM
Re: Ammo I've seen the writing on the wall and it says "roll your own." Thankfully I stocked up when it was everywhere and half as expensive as now.

Alpine5654 | 03-20-2007 06:32 PM
Re: Ammo Yup, just paid $20 for a box of 100 Winchester 9MM rounds. :bawling:

negative1 | 03-20-2007 07:38 PM
Re: Ammo The 7.62x39 wasn't really an issue for me. But I could use some more .50. Oh well looks like I may just have to order it. -1

MOD1 | 03-20-2007 11:05 PM
Re: Ammo I second Wallew's suggestion - especially Ammoman. Good selection. Take care, Mod1 :smile:

keehah | 08-22-2007 08:31 PM
Re: Ammo Bullets scarce at Sheriff's Office Production, delivery delays causing shortage By Joseph Gidjunis Staff Writer http://www.delmarvanow.com/apps/pbcs...708200308/1002 SALISBURY -- Some of the most popular law enforcement ammunition is taking up to five times as long to be produced and delivered across the region, and the Wicomico County Sheriff's Office is in the middle of the trickle-down shortfall. Ammunition orders for the .45-caliber rounds, which fuel the deputies' standard Glock have typically been filled within four to six weeks. Now six to eight months behind schedule, Patrol Division Commander Lt. Tod Richardson said supplies are getting tight. "I have an order from January of .45-caliber that has not been filled yet," he said. "It hasn't put us in a pinch, but it's not getting any better." The Sheriff's Office uses the ammunition for its about 85-sworn member force, all of whom need to have updated training and pass biannual shooting qualifications. The shortage is requiring months of additional planning and management. Larger orders might also be placed to have a stockpile in case of future shortages, Richardson said. Other law enforcement agencies in Worcester, Somerset and Sussex counties reported no shortages. Ocean City said it has adequate supplies too. Tony Magolda, Lawmen Supply Co. of New Jersey president, who supplies many state police departments and the Wicomico County Sheriff's Office, said shortfalls in .223-caliber and 5.56 mm rifle rounds, as well as .40-caliber, .45-caliber and 9 mm handgun bullets are forcing delays exceeding six months to fill. One distributor has stopped taking orders for the rest of the year. "I've never had that where they wouldn't accept orders anymore," said Magolda, who's been in the business since 1984. Speculation about low supplies stems from manufacturers switching production to more military needs, but that could not be confirmed Friday. Magolda said he has seen an increase in demand for these rounds since 9/11 because more police and security officers constantly need training and requalification. "It is a problem. We're working on it," Magolda said. "The community is learning to adapt." He recommends ordering sooner and more than needed due to inconsistent supplies. Besides the shortfall, some prices have jumped, too. At Albright's Gun Shop in Easton, a box of 50 premium .45-caliber ammunition has increased from the low $30s a few years ago to about $40, said Chad Haschen. Earlier in the summer, the store was out of stock of the popular sizes for about six weeks. "Everything is getting more expensive," Haschen said. Richardson said the shortage is nothing the public has to worry about. No policies or procedures have altered due to fewer than normal stockpiles.

buff01 | 08-23-2007 02:15 AM
Re: Ammo I've found the best prices on ammo at www.gunbroker.com , thanks to the recommendation of GIMmers.

Darkside | 08-23-2007 08:48 AM
Re: Ammo It's supply & demand. Our armies in Iraq and Afghanistan are consuming what, a billion rounds per month ? I heard the figure recently but dont quite remember the timeframe. But anyway that a hell of a lot of demand. Couple that with the higher metal prices and you have higher prices. I dont think it's a conspiracy against gun owners (not yet at least)

poorboy | 08-23-2007 09:27 PM
Re: Ammo I only buy with cash because its not as easy to track what i'm buying.

____hoot____ | 08-23-2007 09:58 PM
Re: Ammo Things must be getting real tough over in the "sand box", can't even find any surplus 303 British. Uoops I forgot that the shrub is now even threatening the Pakis and they must be stashing for their old war horses.

RiverRat | 08-23-2007 10:14 PM
Re: Ammo :rolleyes_m: Roll your own... The day will come when the hammer drops and ammo sales will be illegal or so prohibitively expensive only the police can afford it. They don't have to confiscate our firearms...just eliminate the ammo and the Constitutional right to bear arms is rendered meaningless. Population control is so much easier when they have guns and we have rocks and spears...so buy a reloader,primers,powder,and enough supplies to be ready for the eventual ban. Reloading vs off the shelf ammo costs won't matter very much when you have the ability,supplies,and tools to roll your own. The alternative is no ammo at all... :shocked_ma::shocked_ma::shocked_ma:

platinumdude | 08-24-2007 08:46 PM
Re: Ammo Yep went to the gun store and bought 9 packs of American Eagles and 3 packs of Law Man. That was the last they had of those brands in 9mm. When I go to the range, going to clean them out of speers gold dot.

mtnman | 08-25-2007 11:20 AM
Re: Ammo That soldier with the light blue helmet that will soon be patrolling your street is carrying about 200 rounds for his rifle and pistol. You know what to do.

Baphomet Jones | 08-25-2007 11:22 AM
Re: Ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 709641) That soldier with the light blue helmet that will soon be patrolling your street is carrying about 200 rounds for his rifle and pistol. You know what to do.
:haha: well said! http://www.joebrower.com/PHILE_PILE/...lmet-small.jpg

money matters | 08-25-2007 12:22 PM
Re: Ammo 5lb jug of rifle powder: $88 35000 grains in 5 lbs, yields 1450 rounds charged for .223 1500 match grade bullets about $200 1500 primers $36 1700 once fired lake city brass $95 Dillon crimp tool $95 Dillon 550b w/frame stand $400 Dillon conversion kit $50 Match dies $100 Scale $65 60deg case chamfer tool $10 Dillon machine makes 300rds /hr brass & bullets (maybe primers) will store forever powder stored in favorable conditions 20 yrs Store your powder in your cases! brass has from 4-10 (or more) load cycles, if recovered. Costs me about $315 to load 1500rds. If I was loading 9mm 125gr, I'd get about 1400 rds per lb of powder Maybe 1600 if was loading 38spl Blackhills match ammo in same qty would cost about $1650. Reloading eqpt will pay for itself very quickly if you shoot much. If shooting pistol, you can load lead swaged bullets at moderate velocities. Hardcast or swaged 9mm bullets are about $40 per 1000. They will likely be more accruate than ball surplus ammo and about as effective if you choose a flat point design.

RaccoonRiverRadical | 08-25-2007 01:03 PM
Re: Ammo What is the current status of the OSHA regulations concerning black powder? Is it going into effect or not?

Maddie | 08-25-2007 03:06 PM
Re: Ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by RaccoonRiverRadical (Post 709738) What is the current status of the OSHA regulations concerning black powder? Is it going into effect or not?
The last I read, it's not. OSHA says they never meant it to cover black powder for ammo and reloading.

GB1980 | 08-29-2007 07:46 AM
Re: Ammo I just attended a gun show this past weekend in Orlando, Florida. There was no shortage of any type of ammo. There was so many people in the aisle that it was butt-to-butt. I saw every type of ammo that you may have wanted. I bought some of three different types of assault rifle ammo and 2 types of pistol ammo. No shortages down here in Orlando. The next show is Oct 6th and 7th.

Alpine5654 | 09-01-2007 05:50 PM
Re: Ammo Dicks Sporting Goods in Bloomington, MN has boxes of remmington 9MM for $7.00/ box 50 (10 Box Min) or $9.00 for less than 10 boxes. Just in case anybody cares.

Baphomet Jones | 09-01-2007 06:08 PM
Re: Ammo Went to two gunshops today, one was normal, 1 or 2 people in it mulling over the selection, the other was packed, almost shoulder to shoulder, lots of people coming to buy ammo/guns. Weird timing, huh :confused_ma: I should have bought some, I only got a few sleeves of 12ga slugs.

skirnir | 09-01-2007 06:32 PM
Re: Ammo Just to be sure, the blanks are the ones that get put in and are fired, right? Or do I have to do something to them before firing? http://www.dansammo.com/ammo.asp http://gun-deals.com/displaydeal.php?dealid=384 found a good deal on the 7.62x39 Is 500 enough, or do I need more 0s?

gunner | 09-01-2007 06:54 PM
Re: Ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirnir (Post 719806) Just to be sure, the blanks are the ones that get put in and are fired, right? Or do I have to do something to them before firing? http://www.dansammo.com/ammo.asp http://gun-deals.com/displaydeal.php?dealid=384 found a good deal on the 7.62x39 Is 500 enough, or do I need more 0s?
:haha::haha: Surely you're not asking me :D

skirnir | 09-01-2007 06:58 PM
Re: Ammo You likely know more about this stuff than I; it never hurts to ask. Why not then? Suspend doubt I'm asking you....soooo is 500 enough for starters? :D

tinman | 09-01-2007 07:33 PM
Re: Ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirnir (Post 719806) Just to be sure, the blanks are the ones that get put in and are fired, right? Or do I have to do something to them before firing? http://www.dansammo.com/ammo.asp http://gun-deals.com/displaydeal.php?dealid=384 found a good deal on the 7.62x39 Is 500 enough, or do I need more 0s?
You do know what blanks are, right? Pretty much useless unless you want to make noise or have equipment to use them for training. That's why it's so cheap. 7.62x39 is inching up to $200/K, best deal now is $160 at AIM. 500 is a good number to start with, then you can go to 5000 and 50,000.

gunner | 09-01-2007 07:42 PM
Re: Ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirnir (Post 719821) You likely know more about this stuff than I; it never hurts to ask. Why not then? Suspend doubt I'm asking you....soooo is 500 enough for starters? :D
Just playin' with ya' :D Okay, the way I see it; Higher ammo prices for sure, possible shortages pending a Hillary Presidency or some other cataclysmic event. 7.62x39 - I'd have a case of 1,000 at a min, any AP steel core that you can find on www.gunbroker.com - Norinco yellow box rocks !! if you can find it. Worst case scenario - whatever you don't use is a non expiration date tradable commodity. Get the 1,000 rd case for the best cost per round. Shotgun ammo (12 ga) - 00 buck and some slugs - 250 rounds or better. Again, popular, tradeable, going up in price 9mm - very popular, hasn't seen insane price increases (like .308) so a case of 1,000 would be prudent. .223 - 1,000 - cheapest per round price - shortages due to Iraq war and commodity price increases will only push the price higher. If the gov't is shutting down de-mil companies, expect less and less outdated "surplus" stuff to be coming to market. .308 - a tough one. I'd like 1,000 rounds min even if only for the fact that .308 is the biggest threat to body armor. More and more criminals are getting body armor in the commission of crimes - you need a defensive round. (.308 holes make invisible soals :D) Check out some of the stuff on www.gunbroker.com and do some price checks on http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php I think your downside is very limited (on the investment aspect) and eventually you'll use everything you buy. My biggest regret (and I have a lot) is not buying more when the prices were lower. There was a time when steel core ammo was as cheap or cheaper than lead, when 37mm pest control devices and ammo was cheap and easy to get. Unfortunately for me, I sat on the sidelines. A friend of mine bought a good amount of military type firearms - along came the now defunct assault weapon ban and he sold half his stash to pay for everything he had - free guns !!! Look at ammo as buying infinite shelf life food - there will always be a market for it and worst case scenario - you'll use it yourself, or it'll save your life.

gunner | 09-01-2007 07:44 PM
Re: Ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by tinman (Post 719833) You do know what blanks are, right? Pretty much useless unless you want to make noise or have equipment to use them for training. That's why it's so cheap. 7.62x39 is inching up to $200/K, best deal now is $160 at AIM. 500 is a good number to start with, then you can go to 5000 and 50,000.
Oh, sorry if I misunderstood - blanks are good for launching grenades or making noise. I wouldn't buy more than 100 for the novelty aspect. In an effort to scare an intruder, they could get you killed. Toys only !!

Maddie | 09-01-2007 08:02 PM
Re: Ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirnir (Post 719821) You likely know more about this stuff than I; it never hurts to ask. Why not then? Suspend doubt I'm asking you....soooo is 500 enough for starters? :D
I'd go with whatever you can afford to get. It's not going to get cheaper, not for a long time, if at all. If you can get 1000 rounds, that's a better start. The most often expressed opinion is that you should keep on-hand about 2000 rounds per caliber for each caliber of gun you own. That's too low, of course, if you shoot regularly, but with prices so high, do what you can! (Regarding 500 rounds, you could go through that in just a couple of long days at the range.) Consider that you want ammo not just for a SHTF situation, but so that you can continue to shoot for fun and practice even if the price of ammo goes sky-high or it becomes difficult/impossible to obtain. Learning to reload can help save you a bit of money after the initial investment.

skirnir | 09-01-2007 08:12 PM
Re: Ammo http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php?caliber=7.62x39 Is Golden Tiger any good? Also, I've heard good things about Wolf, they are OK as well?

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Baphomet Jones | 09-01-2007 08:43 PM
Re: Ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirnir (Post 719884) http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php?caliber=7.62x39 Is Golden Tiger any good? Also, I've heard good things about Wolf, they are OK as well?
Haven't used it get, got a case sitting next to me I'm not opening. I'll buy 3 or 4 more cases before I start opening them to use it. I've heard its really the same stuff as Wolf, some of it may be made in the same factory, too. Someone told me the laquer coating can come off in the chamber, I guess its possible, but I'm not worried. Right now, about half of my mags are loaded with wolf hollowpoints, the other half are empty. Next week I'll probably order another case of golden tiger. Then when I have at least one more, I'll open that one and practice with that. I don't go to the range as often as I used to, but I'm making it a point to go more frequently now, while ammo is still only sort of expensive :tongue_ma:

gunner | 09-01-2007 09:01 PM
Re: Ammo Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirnir (Post 719884) http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php?caliber=7.62x39 Is Golden Tiger any good? Also, I've heard good things about Wolf, they are OK as well?
Haven't shot any but I haven't heard anything bad about it. An AK is a solid, durable gun - shoots most stuff witout a problem. Golden Tiger (reminds me of firecrackers:D) Wolf, whatever - I'm sure its adequate. Personally for a SHTF round I like .308 but that's just me. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a hail of 7.62x39 coming my way :shocked_ma:

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