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Fullpower | 10-30-2008 08:41 PM
Calorie Shopping 100 pounds flour = 150,000 calories 100 pounds rice = 135,000 calories 100 cans tuna = 22,500 calories. 100 cans spam= 100,000 calorie one gallon olive oil = 32,000 cal 10 pound honey = 12,000 cal. 10 pounds peanutbutter= 27,000 cal box pilot crackers= 3800 cal. A sedentary adult female needs half a million calories per year. Minimum survival ration for a man is 700,000 calories per year. DOUBLE these quantities for combat or physical labor. Now lets go shopping.

goddess | 10-30-2008 10:27 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping Yes but those empty calories, its more about nutritional density that caloric content.:tongue_ma:

silver_addiction | 10-30-2008 10:51 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping i would strongly suggest you get in the practice of growing some of your own food and investing in a greenhouse to grow greens and such in the winter. that "food" you listed above is mostly complete and total garbage filler. Instead of trying to store millions of calories of crap, preparations should be made to have some chickens, cattle, goats, pigs, rabbits, ect., and a large productive garden to feed you and the animals. That is the only healthy and long term solution. storing a million calories of spam and crackers... just put a bullet in your brain - that shit will kill you.

nub | 10-30-2008 11:23 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping Quote:
Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1388416) I am worried about storing flour. How long does it hold it's nutritional value (in vacuum sealed mylar)? Wouldn't it be better to store wheat kernels and grind as needed? I really need to get on the stick learning to make breads from scratch. I was thinking tortillas or similar would be easiest? Where are the bakers? From scratch...say in a fired oven...what do you need start to finish to make simple bread/flat bread? *sorry for the sidebar. :wink:
For every day non SHTF scenario use I go with the Nutrimill and for a good easy to use whole wheat bread recipe I use Sarahs.... milkandhoney.com She also shows the nutrimill on another you tube vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYq2r205PEU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYq2r205PEU

SLV>GLD | 10-30-2008 11:31 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping Quote:
Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1388416) Where are the bakers?
PM Danubian :MIA:

nub | 10-30-2008 11:37 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping For a SHTF scenario go with the country living grain mill here...... http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/store/ I use the same mixer she uses in her video....... a Bosch I still have my moms old Hobart mixer it works just fine also. I think you can down load/copy that wheat bread recipe from milkandhoney.com Happy baking......it's the only bread we eat and I'm an old construction guy so it can't be that hard :wink:

Drumblebum | 10-30-2008 11:51 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping Quote:
Originally Posted by silver_addiction (Post 1388425) i would strongly suggest you get in the practice of growing some of your own food and investing in a greenhouse to grow greens and such in the winter. that "food" you listed above is mostly complete and total garbage filler. Instead of trying to store millions of calories of crap, preparations should be made to have some chickens, cattle, goats, pigs, rabbits, ect., and a large productive garden to feed you and the animals. That is the only healthy and long term solution. storing a million calories of spam and crackers... just put a bullet in your brain - that shit will kill you.
Jeezus, do you think everyone here lives on a farm in South Asscracklvania?? Some of us actually live in cities or in suburban neighborhoods... around other people. Yeah, I'll just raise some pigs and chickens in the garage! I guessing you are sure Fullpower lives on a farm?

Fullpower | 10-31-2008 01:26 AM
Re: Calorie Shopping I have read accounts of persons held as prisoners of war in the pacific, and know an older fellow that was invited to participate in the Battaan Death march. The difference between being very thin and being DEAD sometimes amounts to a few hundred calories per day over a period of months. It is my understanding that those dreaded empty calories you are poo-poohing will do much to extend the life of anyone subsisting on rats, insects, roots, and boiled shoe leather. Some of my neighbors, and many of the local citizens may not have the resources and foresight to lay in a stock of staple foods. Rather than see my neighbors starve in the event, I am trying to store sufficient provisions that I might trade or share.

AMforPM | 10-31-2008 01:42 AM
Re: Calorie Shopping I decided baking was both too much trouble and too attractive a smell, and chose grits, steel cut oats, and whole wheat to either sprout and chew slowly as a baby sprout, or cook kind of like rice. Where are beans on that list? They are protein calories. I gardened and kept hens in town. Rules vary from town to town, but few cities forbid it entirely as long as the flock is small and well contained. Now homeowner's associations might be, well, what they are, but hunger and foreclosures may fix that. Even in apartments you can supplement some with window boxes and maybe some pigeons. Sprouts you can make anywhere.

mnfarmer | 10-31-2008 08:38 AM
Re: Calorie Shopping Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumblebum (Post 1388508) South Asscracklvania??
You crack me up! :111::moon::111::moon::111::moon::111::moon::111:

Russkie | 10-31-2008 09:38 AM
Re: Calorie Shopping Forget about flour, go for buckwheat. You can store it forver, just boil it, sprout it, throw it into soups and stews, everthing. Proteins 18% with biological values above 90%.[9] This can be explained by a high concentration of all essential amino acids[10], especially lysine, threonine, tryptophan, and the sulphur-containing amino acids.[11] Energizing and nutritious, buckwheat is available throughout the year and can be served as an alternative to rice or made into porridge. While many people think that buckwheat is a cereal grain, it is actually a fruit seed that is related to rhubarb and sorrel making it a suitable substitute for grains for people who are sensitive to wheat or other grains that contain protein glutens. Buckwheat flowers are very fragrant and are attractive to bees that use them to produce a special, strongly flavored, dark honey. Health Benefits A Grain That's Good for Your Cardiovascular System Diets that contain buckwheat have been linked to lowered risk of developing high cholesterol and high blood pressure. The Yi people of China consume a diet high in buckwheat (100 grams per day, about 3.5 ounces). When researchers tested blood lipids of 805 Yi Chinese, they found that buckwheat intake was associated with lower total serum cholesterol, lower low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-the form linked to cardiovascular disease), and a high ratio of HDL (health-promoting cholesterol) to total cholesterol. Buckwheat's beneficial effects are due in part to its rich supply of flavonoids, particularly rutin. Flavonoids are phytonutrients that protect against disease by extending the action of vitamin C and acting as antioxidants. Buckwheat's lipid-lowering activity is largely due to rutin and other flavonoid compounds. These compounds help maintain blood flow, keep platelets from clotting excessively (platelets are compounds in blood that, when triggered, clump together, thus preventing excessive blood loss, and protect LDL from free radical oxidation into potentially harmful cholesterol oxides. All these actions help to protect against heart disease. Buckwheat also contains almost 86 milligrams of magnesium in a one-cup serving. Magnesium relaxes blood vessels, improving blood flow and nutrient delivery while lowering blood pressure-the perfect combination for a healthy cardiovascular system. Better Blood Sugar Control and A Lowered Risk of Diabetes The nutrients in buckwheat may contribute to blood sugar control. In a test that compared the effect on blood sugar of whole buckwheat groats to bread made from refined wheat flour, buckwheat groats significantly lowered blood glucose and insulin responses. Whole buckwheats also scored highest on their ability to satisfy hunger. When researchers followed almost 36,000 women in Iowa during a six-year long study of the effects of whole grains and the incidence of diabetes, they found that women who consumed an average of 3 servings of whole grains daily had a 21 percent lower risk of diabetes compared to those who ate one serving per week. Because buckwheat is a good source of magnesium, it is also important to note that women who ate the most foods high in magnesium had a 24 percent lower risk of diabetes compared to women who ate the least. Canadian researchers, publishing their findings in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry have found new evidence that buckwheat may be helpful in the management of diabetes. In a placebo-controlled study, a single dose of buckwheat seed extract lowered blood glucose levels by 12-19% at 90 and 120 minutes after administration when fed to laboratory animals with chemically-induced diabetes. No glucose reduction was seen in animals given placebo. The component in buckwheat responsible for its blood glucose-lowering effects appears to be chiro-inositol, a compound that has been shown in other animal and human studies to play a significant role in glucose metabolism and cell signaling. While researchers do not yet know precisely how it works, preliminary evidence suggests chiro-inositol makes cells more sensitive to insulin and may even act as an insulin mimic. Results of the Canadian study were so promising that one of the lead investigators, Roman Przbylski, is currently collaborating with Canadian-based Kade Research to develop new buckwheat varieties with much higher amounts of chiro-inositol. Although the animals used in this study had the equivalent of Type 1 diabetes in humans, the researchers are confident that buckwheat will exert similar glucose-lowering effects when given to animals with Type 2 diabetes, which is the next study on their agenda. Type 2 or non-insulin dependent diabetes, which is by far the most common form in humans (90% of diabetes in humans is Type 2), is characterized by an inability of cells to respond properly to insulin. Buckwheat and other whole grains are also a rich source of magnesium, a mineral that acts as a co-factor for more than 300 enzymes, including enzymes involved in the body's use of glucose and insulin secretion. The FDA permits foods that contain at least 51% whole grains by weight (and are also low in fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol) to display a health claim stating consumption is linked to lower risk of heart disease and certain cancers. Now, research suggests regular consumption of whole grains also reduces risk of type 2 diabetes. (van Dam RM, Hu FB, Diabetes Care). In this 8-year trial, involving 41,186 particpants of the Black Women's Health Study, research data confirmed inverse associations between magnesium, calcium and major food sources in relation to type 2 diabetes that had already been reported in predominantly white populations. Risk of type 2 diabetes was 31% lower in black women who frequently ate whole grains compared to those eating the least of these magnesium-rich foods. When the women's dietary intake of magnesium intake was considered by itself, a beneficial, but lesser- 19%- reduction in risk of type 2 diabetes was found, indicating that whole grains offer special benefits in promoting healthy blood sugar control. Daily consumption of low-fat dairy foods was also helpful, lowering risk of type 2 diabetes by 13%. Get the benefits of both buckwheat and dairy by enjoying a hearty breakfast of hot buckwheat topped with low-fat milk and a spoonful of maple syrup. Helps Prevent Gallstones Eating foods high in insoluble fiber, such as buckwheat, can help women avoid gallstones, shows a study published in the American Journal of Gastroenterology. Studying the overall fiber intake and types of fiber consumed over a 16 year period by over 69,000 women in the Nurses Health Study, researchers found that those consuming the most fiber overall (both soluble and insoluble) had a 13% lower risk of developing gallstones compared to women consuming the fewest fiber-rich foods. Those eating the most foods rich in insoluble fiber gained even more protection against gallstones: a 17% lower risk compared to women eating the least. And the protection was dose-related; a 5-gram increase in insoluble fiber intake dropped risk dropped 10%. How do foods rich in insoluble fiber help prevent gallstones? Researchers think insoluble fiber not only speeds intestinal transit time (how quickly food moves through the intestines), but reduces the secretion of bile acids (excessive amounts contribute to gallstone formation), increases insulin sensitivity and lowers triglycerides (blood fats). Abundant in all whole grains, insoluble fiber is also found in nuts and the edible skin of fruits and vegetables including tomatoes, cucumbers, many squash, apples, berries, and pears. In addition, beans provide insoluble as well as soluble fiber. Health-Promoting Potential Equal to or Even Higher than that of Vegetables and Fruits Research reported at the American Institute for Cancer Research (AICR) International Conference on Food, Nutrition and Cancer, by Rui Hai Liu, M.D., Ph.D., and his colleagues at Cornell University shows that whole grains, such as buckwheat, contain many powerful phytonutrients whose activity has gone unrecognized because research methods have overlooked them. Despite the fact that for years researchers have been measuring the antioxidant power of a wide array of phytonutrients, they have typically measured only the "free" forms of these substances, which dissolve quickly and are immediately absorbed into the bloodstream. They have not looked at the "bound" forms, which are attached to the walls of plant cells and must be released by intestinal bacteria during digestion before they can be absorbed. Phenolics, powerful antioxidants that work in multiple ways to prevent disease, are one major class of phytonutrients that have been widely studied. Included in this broad category are such compounds as quercetin, curcumin, ellagic acid, catechins, and many others that appear frequently in the health news. When Dr. Liu and his colleagues measured the relative amounts of phenolics, and whether they were present in bound or free form, in common fruits and vegetables like apples, red grapes, broccoli and spinach, they found that phenolics in the "free" form averaged 76% of the total number of phenolics in these foods. In whole grains, however, "free" phenolics accounted for less than 1% of the total, while the remaining 99% were in "bound" form. In his presentation, Dr. Liu explained that because researchers have examined whole grains with the same process used to measure antioxidants in vegetables and fruits-looking for their content of "free" phenolics"-the amount and activity of antioxidants in whole grains has been vastly underestimated. Despite the differences in fruits', vegetables' and whole grains' content of "free" and "bound" phenolics, the total antioxidant activity in all three types of whole foods is similar, according to Dr. Liu's research. His team measured the antioxidant activity of various foods, assigning each a rating based on a formula (micromoles of vitamin C equivalent per gram). Broccoli and spinach measured 80 and 81, respectively; apple and banana measured 98 and 65; and of the whole grains tested, corn measured 181, whole wheat 77, oats 75, and brown rice 56. Dr. Liu's findings may help explain why studies have shown that populations eating diets high in fiber-rich whole grains consistently have lower risk for colon cancer, yet short-term clinical trials that have focused on fiber alone in lowering colon cancer risk, often to the point of giving subjects isolated fiber supplements, yield inconsistent results. The explanation is most likely that these studies have not taken into account the interactive effects of all the nutrients in whole grains-not just their fiber, but also their many phytonutrients. As far as whole grains are concerned, Dr. Liu believes that the key to their powerful cancer-fighting potential is precisely their wholeness. A grain of whole wheat consists of three parts-its endosperm (starch), bran and germ. When wheat-or any whole grain-is refined, its bran and germ are removed. Although these two parts make up only 15-17% of the grain's weight, they contain 83% of its phenolics. Dr. Liu says his recent findings on the antioxidant content of whole grains reinforce the message that a variety of foods should be eaten good health. "Different plant foods have different phytochemicals," he said. "These substances go to different organs, tissues and cells, where they perform different functions. What your body needs to ward off disease is this synergistic effect - this teamwork - that is produced by eating a wide variety of plant foods, including whole grains." Lignans Protect against Heart Disease One type of phytonutrient especially abundant in whole grains such as buckwheat are plant lignans, which are converted by friendly flora in our intestines into mammalian lignans, including one called enterolactone that is thought to protect against breast and other hormone-dependent cancers as well as heart disease. In addition to whole grains, nuts, seeds and berries are rich sources of plant lignans, and vegetables, fruits, and beverages such as coffee, tea and wine also contain some. When blood levels of enterolactone were measured in 857 postmenopausal women in a Danish study published in the Journal of Nutrition, women eating the most whole grains were found to have significantly higher blood levels of this protective lignan. Women who ate more cabbage and leafy vegetables also had higher enterolactone levels. Significant Cardiovascular Benefits for Postmenopausal Women Eating a serving of whole grains, such as buckwheat, at least 6 times each week is an especially good idea for postmenopausal women with high cholesterol, high blood pressure or other signs of cardiovascular disease (CVD). A 3-year prospective study of over 220 postmenopausal women with CVD, published in the American Heart Journal, shows that those eating at least 6 servings of whole grains each week experienced both: Slowed progression of atherosclerosis, the build-up of plaque that narrows the vessels through which blood flows, and Less progression in stenosis, the narrowing of the diameter of arterial passageways. The women's intake of fiber from fruits, vegetables and refined grains was not associated with a lessening in CVD progression. < Prevent Heart Failure with a Whole Grains Breakfast Heart failure is the leading cause of hospitalization among the elderly in the United States. Success of drug treatment is only partial (ACE inhibitors and beta-blockers are typically used; no evidence has found statins safe or effective for heart failure), and its prognosis remains poor. Follow up of 2445 discharged hospital patients with heart failure revealed that 37.3% died during the first year, and 78.5% died within 5 years. Arch Intern Med. 2007 Mar 12;167(5):490-6.;Eur Heart J. 2006 Mar;27(6):641-3. Since consumption of whole grain products and dietary fiber has been shown to reduce the risk of high blood pressure and heart attack, Harvard researchers decided to look at the effects of cereal consumption on heart failure risk and followed 21,376 participants in the Physicians Health Study over a period of 19.6 years. After adjusting for confounding factors (age, smoking, alcohol consumption, vegetable consumption, use of vitamins, exercise, and history of heart disease), they found that men who simply enjoyed a daily morning bowl of whole grain (but not refined) cereal had a 29% lower risk of heart failure. Arch Intern Med. 2007 Oct 22;167(19):2080-5. Isn't your heart worth protecting, especially when the prescription-a morning bowl of hearty whole grains-is so delicious? For quick, easy, heart-healthy, whole grain recipes, click The World's Healthiest Foods, and look at the "How to Enjoy" section in any of our grain profiles. Fiber from Whole Grains and Fruit Protective against Breast Cancer When researchers looked at how much fiber 35,972 participants in the UK Women's Cohort Study ate, they found a diet rich in fiber from whole grains, such as buckwheat, and fruit offered significant protection against breast cancer for pre-menopausal women. (Cade JE, Burley VJ, et al., International Journal of Epidemiology). Pre-menopausal women eating the most fiber (>30 grams daily) more than halved their risk of developing breast cancer, enjoying a 52% lower risk of breast cancer compared to women whose diets supplied the least fiber (<20 grams/day). Fiber supplied by whole grains offered the most protection. Pre-menopausal women eating the most whole grain fiber (at least 13 g/day) had a 41% reduced risk of breast cancer, compared to those with the lowest whole grain fiber intake (4 g or less per day). Fiber from fruit was also protective. Pre-menopausal women whose diets supplied the most fiber from fruit (at least 6 g/day) had a 29% reduced risk of breast cancer, compared to those with the lowest fruit fiber intake (2 g or less per day). Practical Tip: As the following table shows, it's surprisingly easy to enjoy a healthy way of eating that delivers at least 13 grams of whole grain fiber and 6 grams of fiber from fruit each day. Food Fiber Content in Grams Oatmeal, 1 cup 3.98 Whole wheat bread, 1 slice 2 Whole wheat spaghetti, 1 cup 6.3 Brown rice, 1 cup 3.5 Barley, 1 cup 13.6 Buckwheat, 1 cup 4.54 Rye, 1/3 cup 8.22 Corn, 1 cup 4.6 Apple, 1 medium with skin 5.0 Banana, 1 medium 4.0 Blueberries, 1 cup 3.92 Orange, 1 large 4.42 Pear, 1 large 5.02 Prunes, 1/4 cup 3.02 Strawberries, 1 cup 3.82 Raspberries, 1 cup 8.36 *Fiber content can vary between brands. Source: esha Research, Food Processor for Windows, Version 7.8 Additional Research Finds Cereal and Fruit Fiber Protective against Postmenopausal Breast Cancer Results of a prospective study involving 51,823 postmenopausal women for an average of 8.3 years showed a 34% reduction in breast cancer risk for those consuming the most fruit fiber compared to those consuming the least. In addition, in the subgroup of women who had ever used hormone replacement, those consuming the most fiber, especially cereal fiber, had a 50% reduction in their risk of breast cancer compared to those consuming the least. Int J Cancer. 2008 Jan 15;122(2):403-12. Fruits richest in fiber include apples, dates, figs, pears and prunes. When choosing a high fiber cereal, look for whole grain cereals as they supply the most bran (a mere 1/3rd cup of bran contains about 14 grams of fiber). With its rich, nutty flavor, buckwheat makes a great breakfast alternative to a bowl of hot oatmeal. A cup of buckwheat delivers 20% of the RDI for fiber for just 154 calories! Whole Grains and Fish Highly Protective against Childhood Asthma According to the American Lung Association, almost 20 million Americans suffer from asthma, which is reported to be responsible for over 14 million lost school days in children, and an annual economic cost of more than $16.1 billion. Increasing consumption of whole grains and fish could reduce the risk of childhood asthma by about 50%, suggests the International Study on Allergy and Asthma in Childhood (Tabak C, Wijga AH, Thorax). The researchers, from the Dutch National Institute of Public Health and the Environment, Utrecht University, University Medical Center Groningen, used food frequency questionnaires completed by the parents of 598 Dutch children aged 8-13 years. They assessed the children's consumption of a range of foods including fish, fruits, vegetables, dairy and whole grain products. Data on asthma and wheezing were also assessed using medical tests as well as questionnaires. While no association between asthma and intake of fruits, vegetables, and dairy products was found (a result at odds with other studies that have supported a link between antioxidant intake, particularly vitamins C and E, and asthma), the children's intake of both whole grains and fish was significantly linked to incidence of wheezing and current asthma. In children with a low intake of fish and whole grains, the prevalence of wheezing was almost 20%, but was only 4.2% in children with a high intake of both foods. Low intake of fish and whole grains also correlated with a much higher incidence of current asthma (16.7%). compared to only a 2.8% incidence of current asthma among children with a high intake of both foods. After adjusting results for possible confounding factors, such as the educational level of the mother, and total energy intake, high intakes of whole grains and fish were found to be associated with a 54 and 66% reduction in the probability of being asthmatic, respectively. The probability of having asthma with bronchial hyperresponsiveness (BHR), defined as having an increased sensitivity to factors that cause narrowing of the airways, was reduced by 72 and 88% when children had a high-intake of whole grains and fish, respectively. Lead researcher, CoraTabak commented, "The rise in the prevalence of asthma in western societies may be related to changed dietary habits." We agree. The Standard American Diet is sorely deficient in the numerous anti-inflammatory compounds found in fish and whole grains, notably, the omega-3 fats supplied by cold water fish and the magnesium and vitamin E provided by whole grains. One caution: wheat may need to be avoided as it is a common food allergen associated with asthma. Meta-analysis Explains Whole Grains' Health Benefits In many studies, eating whole grains, such as buckwheat, has been linked to protection against atherosclerosis, ischemic stroke, diabetes, insulin resistance, obesity, and premature death. A new study and accompanying editorial, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition explains the likely reasons behind these findings and recommends at least 3 servings of whole grains should be eaten daily. Whole grains are excellent sources of fiber. In this meta-analysis of 7 studies including more than 150,000 persons, those whose diets provided the highest dietary fiber intake had a 29% lower risk of cardiovascular disease compared to those with the lowest fiber intake. But it's not just fiber's ability to serve as a bulking agent that is responsible for its beneficial effects as a component of whole grains. Wheat bran, for example, which constitutes 15% of most whole-grain wheat kernels but is virtually non-existent in refined wheat flour, is rich in minerals, antioxidants, lignans, and other phytonutrients-as well as in fiber. In addition to the matrix of nutrients in their dietary fibers, the whole-grain arsenal includes a wide variety of additional nutrients and phytonutrients that reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease. Compounds in whole grains that have cholesterol-lowering effects include polyunsaturated fatty acids, oligosaccharides, plant sterols and stanols, and saponins. Whole grains are also important dietary sources of water-soluble, fat-soluble, and insoluble antioxidants. The long list of cereal antioxidants includes vitamin E, tocotrieonols, selenium, phenolic acids, and phytic acid. These multifunctional antioxidants come in immediate-release to slow-release forms and thus are available throughout the gastrointestinal tract over a long period after being consumed. The high antioxidant capacity of wheat bran, for example, is 20-fold that of refined wheat flour (endosperm). Although the role of antioxidant supplements in protecting against cardiovascular disease has been questioned, prospective population studies consistently suggest that when consumed in whole foods, antioxidants are associated with significant protection against cardiovascular disease. Because free radical damage to cholesterol appears to contribute significantly to the development of atherosclerosis, the broad range of antioxidant activities from the phytonutrients abundant in whole-grains is thought to play a strong role in their cardio-protective effects. Like soybeans, whole grains are good sources of phytoestrogens, plant compounds that may affect blood cholesterol levels, blood vessel elasticity, bone metabolism, and many other cellular metabolic processes. Whole grains are rich sources of lignans that are converted by the human gut to enterolactone and enterodiole. In studies of Finnish men, blood levels of enterolactone have been found to have an inverse relation not just to cardiovascular-related death, but to all causes of death, which suggests that the plant lignans in whole grains may play an important role in their protective effects. Lower insulin levels may also contribute to the protective effects of whole grains. In many persons, the risks of atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and obesity are linked to insulin resistance. Higher intakes of whole grains are associated with increased sensitivity to insulin in population studies and clinical trials. Why? Because whole grains improve insulin sensitivity by lowering the glycemic index of the diet while increasing its content of fiber, magnesium, and vitamin E. The whole kernel of truth: as part of your healthy way of eating, whole grains, such as buckwheat, can significantly lower your risk of cardiovascular disease, obesity and type 2 diabetes. The 2005 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommends at least 3 servings of whole-grain foods each day, but experts say most Americans eat less than a single serving. Don't be part of this majority! No idea how to cook whole grains? Just look at the "How to Enjoy" section in our profiles of the whole grains, or for quick, easy, delicious recipes, click on this link to our Recipe Assistant and select the whole grain you would like to prepare. Description While many people think that buckwheat is a cereal grain, it is actually a fruit seed that is related to rhubarb and sorrel. (We classify it as a grain on our website because it categorized as such from a culinary perspective.) Common and tartary buckwheat are the varieties that are popular in the United States. Its name is supposedly derived from the Dutch word bockweit, which means "beech wheat," reflecting buckwheat's beechnut-like shape and its wheat-like characteristics. Buckwheat flowers are very fragrant and are attractive to bees that use them to produce a special, strongly flavored, dark honey. While buckwheat is of similar size to wheat kernels, it features a unique triangular shape. In order to be edible, the outer hull must be removed, a process that requires special milling equipment due to its unusual shape. Buckwheat is sold either unroasted or roasted, the latter oftentimes called "kasha," from which a traditional European dish is made. Unroasted buckwheat has a soft, subtle flavor, while roasted buckwheat has more of an earthy, nutty taste. Its color ranges from tannish-pink to brown. Buckwheat is often served as a rice alternative or porridge. Buckwheat is also ground into flour, available in either light or dark forms, with the darker variety being more nutritious. Since buckwheat does not contain gluten, it is often mixed with some type of gluten-containing flour (such as wheat) for baking. In the United States, buckwheat flour is often used to make buckwheat pancakes, a real delight, especially for those allergic to wheat. History Buckwheat is native to Northern Europe as well as Asia. From the 10th through the 13th century, it was widely cultivated in China. From there, it spread to Europe and Russia in the 14th and 15th centuries, and was introduced in the United States by the Dutch during the 17th century. Buckwheat is widely produced in Russia and Poland, where it plays an important role in their traditional cuisines. Other countries where buckwheat is cultivated commercially include the United States, Canada, and France, the country famous for its buckwheat crepes. How to Select and Store Just as with any other food that you may purchase in the bulk section, make sure that the bins containing the buckwheat are covered and that the store has a good product turnover to ensure its maximal freshness. Whether purchasing buckwheat in bulk or in a packaged container, make sure there is no evidence of moisture. Place buckwheat in an airtight container and store in a cool dry place. Buckwheat flour should be always stored in the refrigerator, while other buckwheat products should be kept refrigerated if you live in a warm climate or during periods of warmer weather. Stored properly, whole buckwheat can last up to one year, while the flour will keep fresh for several months. How to Enjoy For some of our favorite recipes, click Recipes. Tips for Preparing Buckwheat: Like all grains, buckwheat should be rinsed thoroughly under running water before cooking, and any dirt or debris should be removed. After rinsing, add one part buckwheat to two parts boiling water or broth. After the liquid has returned to a boil, turn down the heat, cover and simmer for about 30 minutes. A Few Quick Serving Ideas: Combine buckwheat flour with whole wheat flour to make delicious breads, muffins and pancakes. Cook up a pot of buckwheat for a change of pace from hot oatmeal as a delicious hearty breakfast cereal. Add cooked buckwheat to soups or stews to give them a hardier flavor and deeper texture. Add chopped chicken, garden peas, pumpkin seeds and scallions to cooked and cooled buckwheat for a delightful lunch or dinner salad. Safety Buckwheat can be safely eaten by people who have celiac disease as it does not contain gluten. Buckwheat can be a good substitute for wheat, oats, rye and barley in a gluten-free diet. Nutritional Profile Introduction to Food Rating System Chart The following chart shows the nutrients for which this food is either an excellent, very good or good source. Next to the nutrient name you will find the following information: the amount of the nutrient that is included in the noted serving of this food; the %Daily Value (DV) that that amount represents (similar to other information presented in the website, this DV is calculated for 25-50 year old healthy woman); the nutrient density rating; and, the food's World's Healthiest Foods Rating. Underneath the chart is a table that summarizes how the ratings were devised. Read detailed information on our Food and Recipe Rating System. Buckwheat, cooked 1.00 cup 168.00 grams 154.56 calories Nutrient Amount DV (%) Nutrient Density World's Healthiest Foods Rating manganese 0.68 mg 34.0 4.0 very good tryptophan 0.08 g 25.0 2.9 good magnesium 85.68 mg 21.4 2.5 good dietary fiber 4.54 g 18.2 2.1 good World's Healthiest Foods Rating Rule excellent DV>=75% OR Density>=7.6 AND DV>=10% very good DV>=50% OR Density>=3.4 AND DV>=5% good DV>=25% OR Density>=1.5 AND DV>=2.5% Source: http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?p...dspice&dbid=11

Conk | 10-31-2008 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1388416) I am worried about storing flour. How long does it hold it's nutritional value (in vacuum sealed mylar)? Wouldn't it be better to store wheat kernels and grind as needed? I really need to get on the stick learning to make breads from scratch. I was thinking tortillas or similar would be easiest? Where are the bakers? From scratch...say in a fired oven...what do you need start to finish to make simple bread/flat bread? *sorry for the sidebar. :wink:
Flour? Nutritional value? You must be kidding! Flour is poison. Humans are not supposed to eat grains, especially FLOUR.

SLV>GLD | 10-31-2008 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Conk (Post 1389051) Flour? Nutritional value? You must be kidding! Flour is poison. Humans are not supposed to eat grains, especially FLOUR.
Can I have a sarcasm flag or a link to back up the preposterous statement that humans are not supposed to eat grains?

simpleworld | 10-31-2008 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1389146) Can I have a sarcasm flag or a link to back up the preposterous statement that humans are not supposed to eat grains?
No sarcasm in that statement as it is 100% true. Grains were not part of our evolution until around 10,000 years ago. Humans are genetically designed as carnivores with the ability to digest Carbohydrates in a survival situation, for example. Our digestive tracks are closest to those of the big cats. There is ZERO biological/metabolic requirement for carbohydrates in the human diet. This is a scientific FACT. Carbohydrate, especially from grain products are not a healthy food, contrary to what the government sponsored food pyramid would have you believe. Carbohydrate consumption is directly linked to many diseases of civilization including Diabetes, Heart Disease and a myriad of digestive disorders. Remember that all carbohydrates except indigestible fiber are converted to glucose and then to fatty acids. Carbohydrate consumption elevates serum glucose levels, which elevates circulating insulin levels. Insulin is BAD, contrary to what you have been led to believe by mainstream medicine. Regarding fiber, it's only necessary if you consume carbohydrates. It damages the intestines as it passes through. I don't eat any yet I'm regular, how could that be? Check out this post which goes into detail regarding the ravaging effects of insulin on our bodies: http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=303827 Also, don't believe the hype about cholesterol being bad for you. It is an essential hormone and the evidence linking it to heart disease is biased and mis-interpreted. I write this as someone who eats a diet DEVOID of carbohydrates/fiber. I consume aound 2-3 lbs of beef every day....eggs, cheese, cream and other meats from time to time. Zero processed foods. I get around 5 grams of carbs per day and eat virtually zero plant matter too. 80% calories from fat and 20% from protein is the way I roll....and yes my lipid profiles are stellar so don't fall for the lie that fat is bad for you. The only unhealthy fats are the plant derived polyunsaturated kind. I'll post more info later for those interested.....don't take my word for it....do your own research. As far as "calorie shopping" I stick to high fat nuts like Brazil and Macadamia as well as lots of frozen fatty beef cuts, jars of beef tallow and coconut oil. 4 calories per gram of carbohydrate OR 9 calories per gram of fat Hmmmmm....which is a better/more efficient source of energy? Alcochol gives you 7 calories per gram...store some unpasteurized beer, put those grains to good use!

RealityCheck | 10-31-2008 01:53 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping Quote:
Originally Posted by simpleworld (Post 1389190) I write this as someone who eats a diet DEVOID of carbohydrates/fiber. I consume aound 2-3 lbs of beef every day....eggs, cheese, cream and other meats from time to time. Zero processed foods. I get around 5 grams of carbs per day and eat virtually zero plant matter too.
I'm not sure how you keep your weight. I did Atkins for a while, and if I ate anything less then 30-40 carbs a day and I lost a few pounds per week no matter how much meat eggs and cheese I ate, and I ate so much of it that it became difficult to eat any more since it became nauseating. Anyway the diet your suggesting isn't even close to realistic for 99% of people in a survival situation, and isn't even affordable for the majority of the worlds population even in times of plenty.

SLV>GLD | 10-31-2008 01:59 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping Simpleworld, thanks for the input. One quibble; you say you eat cheese and consume cream but no processed foods. You're definition of processed foods is largely different than mine.

Fullpower | 10-31-2008 02:12 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping Y'all go ahead and argue about what is best to eat. None of that is going to matter when you have NOTHING left to eat. You should be thinking in terms of calories per dollar, and what will store the longest. When the bombs are raining down is not the time to be working in the fields, you need to be ready to wait out the dangerous years.

simpleworld | 10-31-2008 03:24 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping Quote:
Originally Posted by RealityCheck (Post 1389394) I'm not sure how you keep your weight. I did Atkins for a while, and if I ate anything less then 30-40 carbs a day and I lost a few pounds per week no matter how much meat eggs and cheese I ate, and I ate so much of it that it became difficult to eat any more since it became nauseating.
On a very low carb diet you will lose weight until you reach your genetic ideal weight. Then you will stay stable no matter how much fat you eat. This is because in the absence of dietary carbs and thus absence of insulin, there is no way for your body to store fat. Insulin is the hormone that signals fat storage in your adipose tissue. Quote:
Anyway the diet your suggesting isn't even close to realistic for 99% of people in a survival situation, and isn't even affordable for the majority of the worlds population even in times of plenty.
I agree in part. Personally, I spend less than the average person because all I buy at the market is Meat, Cream, Cheese, eggs and butter. Thats it. Carbs are expensive, especially with the current price of wheat. Also, I only eat one large meal per day and a few snacks.

simpleworld | 10-31-2008 03:28 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping Quote:
Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1389408) Simpleworld, thanks for the input. One quibble; you say you eat cheese and consume cream but no processed foods. You're definition of processed foods is largely different than mine.
Well, cheese is "enzyme processed" and "aged"....cream is just churned milk. I suppose you can call them naturally processed.

Conk | 10-31-2008 04:00 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping Thanks for chiming in Simple. There are many reasons to limit grains. Just one is enough. They inhibit proper thyroid function. At least stick to whole grain and keep it to a minimum. Choose grains with no gluten. Chose seeds that mimick grains in recipes. Some seeds, ground, can be used as flour. Coconut is another alternative. It's flour can be used instead of grain flour. "Also, don't believe the hype about cholesterol being bad for you. It is an essential hormone and the evidence linking it to heart disease is biased and mis-interpreted. " Absolutely true. It's all about inflammation, not cholesterol. Old, old studies prove it, but modern medicine sings it's own song based on myth, lies, and misdirection.

simpleworld | 10-31-2008 04:39 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping You know what Conk, I'm at the point now where I won't touch any form of "grain". Once you realize there is no need to consume them, eating a healthy diet becomes very simple. Would you believe I got kicked off the Frugal Squirrel forums for voicing these views? People have been accultured to believe the establishments lies about what a "healthy diet" is. The government lies about so many things.....don't think that diet is not one of them. Again, do the research with an open mind and you'll come to a similar conclusion as I did.

GreenSpirit | 10-31-2008 04:43 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping Quote:
Originally Posted by simpleworld (Post 1389550) On a very low carb diet you will lose weight until you reach your genetic ideal weight. Then you will stay stable no matter how much fat you eat. This is because in the absence of dietary carbs and thus absence of insulin, there is no way for your body to store fat. Insulin is the hormone that signals fat storage in your adipose tissue. I agree in part. Personally, I spend less than the average person because all I buy at the market is Meat, Cream, Cheese, eggs and butter. Thats it. Carbs are expensive, especially with the current price of wheat. Also, I only eat one large meal per day and a few snacks.
I think I'm starting to understand. You won't consume anything that is not a part of an animal or has not been extracted from an animal. Where do you obtain vitamin C?

nub | 10-31-2008 05:12 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping I also store and use buckwheat......considered a fruit not a grain. Ok I'll go along with not eating any grain but then you say no plant mattter, like I said wheat and oats may or may not be the best thing for a person, but I draw the line at greens, to say greens are harmful is complete rubbish. Hope I'm not misinterpreting . And lets not forget we're usually talking long term storage here.....hard to beat wheat

aybesee123 | 10-31-2008 05:15 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping Quote:
Originally Posted by simpleworld (Post 1389190) No sarcasm in that statement as it is 100% true. Grains were not part of our evolution until around 10,000 years ago. Humans are genetically designed as carnivores with the ability to digest Carbohydrates in a survival situation, for example. Our digestive tracks are closest to those of the big cats.
Heres a contrary view: The human animal evolved to eat every animal or plant that wasn't actually toxic (and, after simple treatments, some that to greater or lesser degree were). Seeds are a rich store of energy, some have good protein levels, vitamins (especially vitamin E), minerals, and protective phytochemicals. Living as wild animals for the last million years or so, we ate every seed that was worth collecting, grass seed, legume (bean-like, pea -like, peanut and others), and any other seeds that were sustaining and productive, or big enough to be worth bothering with. Seeds were seasonal. We travelled to seed sources and ate them when they ripened, generally over a short period of time. 'Cached' seeds are hard to keep from becoming mouldy or insect ridden, unlike nuts. They have no hard shell to deter birds, and many being very small indeed, they are hard to handle. When the seasonal seed resource was too depleted to be bothered with, we moved on to another food, and didn't eat seeds until the next harvest season, nearly a year away. The fact we very recently gained the technical ability to eat seeds every day of the year is a major change for our ancient evolutionary genetic dictated biochemistry. For reasons to do with the behaviour of genes in populations as they disperse and/or become isolated in small groups, some people have not biochemically adapted to gluten containing grains - mainly wheat. Such mal-adaptations may be present for other seeds, such as maize or soya beans; or indeed for virtually any other foods, such as almonds, beef or oranges. The very small percentage of the population of the West who are gluten sensitive can relatively easily substitute grains with no gluten, such as rice. Or switch to tubers, nuts, and fruits for 'ready' carbohyrates. Today, we have a wide range of seeds available to include in our diet, but for historical and cultural reasons Western people now eat only a few kinds of seeds, and, with the exception of beans and peas, generally eat only the carbohydrate store of the seed, leaving the vitamin, oil and mineral rich part behind. Investing the time to change our cultural mind set to include more whole seeds of all kinds, or using canned precooked whole seeds can increase the amount of nutrients and protective plant chemicals consumed per calorie eaten, and help to displace un-natural, less nutrient dense, industrially modified foods. The result is a way of eating in harmony with the absolute needs of our ancient gene determined biochemistry. And over time, the removal of one the most important barriers to the possibility of feeling really well. The human animal evolved in the forests, woodlands, and plains of Africa. The human animal spread into virtually all environments, from tropical rain forest to arid desert because that animal, which is you and me today, had evolved the kind of guts that could digest most kinds of food - plant (except woody twiglets and cellulosy grass blades) or animal. Our natural diet is everything edible. But in any given area of the world, we relied on starchy plants, nut and seed oils, or animal fat for fuel to burn for energy. Animals that know how dangerous humans are tend to run - fast, and in the opposite direction - and are fat only at certain times of year. Plants have the virtue of standing still, so underground storage tubers and carbohydrate rich seeds are a reliable energy, and in some cases, fat and protein source. No reasonable energy source was ignored, and wild seeds were no exception. Indeed, grindstones with adherent plant starch from before 160,000 years ago - when the first recognisably modern humans appear in the fossil record - may have been used to grind grass seeds [ref]. We, of course, ate every non-toxic seed (including tree seeds) present in the environment we had moved into. There are many plants with edible seeds in the various climatic zones of Africa, but relatively few have big enough seeds, or are productive enough, to be worth expending the energy which are nicer to eat, easier to store, and require no preparation. Of those wild African species that are worth collecting, probably the most important are the numerous species of wild 'millets' native to West and East Africa. The term 'millet' is a slightly confusing generic name to mean both 'millet' (Panicum, Setaria, Echinochloa, Eleusine, and Pennisetum spp.) and 'sorghum' (Sorghum spp.). Early humans exploiting the riches of marsh, delta and riverine environments had access to the seeds of a reed-like grass, Phragmites autralis (communis) 'ditch reed' or 'water grass', which, although the yeild was probably relatively poor (there is little literature on this subject to form a view), had the virtue of being both widespread and in thick stands. When we migrated out of Africa, we would find this seasonal food source in damp and marshy places from the tropics to the temperate lands. These grass seeds were indeed our 'evolutionary fellow travellers'. Numerous legume seeds were available to our African ancestors, for example the 'morama bean', Tylosema esculentum, which grows in sandy arid to semi-arid areas of the more Southern parts of Africa and tastes like cashews when roasted. In addition to having a large edible tuber, this legume has pods containing one to two oil and protein rich seeds with a nutritional value similar to soya beans or peanuts (the protein content ranges between 30% to 39% - the oil content is in the 36% to 43 % range). The widespread Acacia spp. mostly have edible and sustaining gums, but one, A. albida has seeds eaten in times of food shortage. The shrubby Bauhinia petersiana of Southern Africa is an extremely important food for several months of the year for the Kade Bushmen of the Kalahari, who gather and roast their nutritious beans. Another important legume seed for the Bushmen is 'Chivi', Guibourtia coleosperma, of the arid sandy areas of the more northern parts of Southern Africa. The pod encloses a fleshy aril from which an edible oil is extracted, and the single seed is a staple food of Bushmen, especially as they are edible for a long time after having fallen from the tree. This seed is valued by the Bushmen as second only to the mongongo (manketti) nut. Some tribes regard them only a famine food, others boil them for long periods or soak them before eating, and others merely roast them. According to an unpublished manuscript (Maguire, B 1954) quoted in 'Food from the Veldt' by F.Fox and M. Norwood-Young, the bushman eat about 25kg each per week. This quantity seems a little unlikely, and it may perhaps be 2.5kg per person per week. Anyway, these seeds are available to the tribespeople for the better part of the year. According to the authors of the previously mentioned book, the seeds of another leguminous shrub, the 'Hottentot's bean', Schotia afra, of the Cape Province of South Africa, "...were eaten by Stone Age Man." Seeds of three species in this genus have been recorded as food used by African people, both savannah and scrubby woodlands having representatives. The only African legumes to be eventually domesticated seems to be the lablab bean, the cowpea, and the guar bean. As humans radiated out of Africa into all the regions of the world, they exploited all food sources they came across, grasses included. In parts of Australia, the aboriginal people regularly harvested wild grass seeds (chiefly a wild 'millet', Panicum spp.), and it is likely that given time, they would have domesticated them. Indigenous tribespeople of the grasslands of Southern South America gathered grass seeds for food, and even brought one species of brome grass into cultivation. In Mexico, one of the local 'panic grasses' (Panicum spp., a kind of 'millet') was collected, and ultimately, domesticated. Palaeanthropologists have found 19,000 year old stone mortars for grinding grain show that wild grains were not just parched, but processed, from at least since that time.[ref] Saharan wild grass harvest There is a lovely cave art picture of women gathering wild grasses in the once productive Sahara region of Africa at the Paleologos site (www.paleologos.com). Our ancestors probably parched the whole grains on ember-heated stones (this would have burnt off the adherent husks around the seed), and made a dough from the cooked flour (Tibetan people today eat a dough from roasted barley flour mixed with tea and yak butter and formed into a ball - tsampa). Such doughs laid on hot stones or embers would have made the first unleavened 'bread' . Or the roasted flour could perhaps have been mixed with water to make a thin 'porridge'. Morama Bean. J Very brief notes on the variability of protein and oil content of the wild African Morama bean. Ironically, it is being considered as a 'new food'. In fact, it may be about the 'oldest' food in the human diet. Accessing the Nutrients in seeds While grubs, meat, tubers, fish and plant foliage can be eaten raw, all these things are physically easier to eat cooked, or cause intestinal disturbance if they are not cooked. Seeds are no different. While you 'could' eat whole rice grass seeds (for example) without parching them first, only about 25% of the proteins are able to be digested. Cook the whole seed, and about 65% of the protein is available. Grinding raw rice seeds would probably make more than 25% available, but equally, grinding and cooking would likely improve protein availablity beyond 65%. The cultural evolution of both grinding and cooking seeds brought evolutionary advantage in the form of greater access to protein - at least, for those tribal groups who had the technology. Grass seeds, in particular, had to be heat 'parched' anyway, to get rid of the adherent woody 'chaff' covering the seed (later, with domestication, this chaff became easy to remove by beating). So a degree of 'cooking' was more necessary than a choice. A few seeds have somewhat less protein digestability after cooking, but they are the exception. You would have to cook grass seeds at 200-280�C (392-536�F) to reduce rather than improve, their protein digestibility. Meat protein digestibility, in comparison, decreases when cooking is above only 100�C (212�F). Seeds contain 'antinutrients' - substances such as saponins, tannins, 'protein splitting enzymes' inhibitors, and phytates. These compounds reduce the body's ability to access the nutrients in seeds. The type, and amount of anti-nutrient varies both with the species of plant, and with the local variety of the species (common beans, Phaseolus vulgaris, for example, have a wide range of phytic acid and tannin concentrations - with white seeded beans having least tannins-depending on the variety). Some have several different anti-nutrients, some have few, some have relatively a 'lot' of any one anti-nutrient, some have very little. Most, but not all, antinutrients are destroyed or reduced by cooking. Soaking and leaching are necessary to reduce some antinutrients, particulalry in some varieties of bean and other legumes. Soaking and sprouting seeds also reduces phytates. Soybeans, for example, contain a contain a 'tryptophane inhibiter' that interferes with the absorbtion of the amino acid 'tryptophane'. The inhibitor can be neutralized both by cooking and by sprouting (the sprouted root must be 3 to 4 inches long for this to be largely complete). A very low percentage of the starches in some seeds 'resist' being digested ( up to 7% for wheat, and oats and 20% for baked beans) These undigested starches are fermented by the microflora of the colon, producing variable quantities of gas. Guided by the practices of recent African gatherer-hunters, it seems likely our African ancestors mainly dealt with anti-nutritional factors by roasting the seeds. Sometimes they were soaked as well, either before or after roasting (and grinding). These are classic techniques that we use even today when preparing legumes; although westerners rarely roast any other than peanut seeds, and occasionally soya seeds. Sprouting and soaking Sprouting seeds is a form of 'delayed gratification' far beyond the wait for the seeds to parch by the fire. It probably didn't figure in our biochemical evolution. Certainly, in very recent but pre-industrial times, legumes (particularly) were sprouted. It conserves fuel in de-forested areas, and it makes seeds reasonably palatable and much more usefully digestible. Sprouting seeds converts some of the starches to simple sugars. In grains, a simple sugar, maltose, is formed. In the middle ages of Europe, there is some suggestion that wheat soaked in hot water, and left overnight by the fire to soften and 'gell' ('frumenty') was as common as leavened bread. Place in a human-natural diet Carbohyrate source Whole grains are made of a rich starch store (the endosperm) comprising from 60- 80% of the seed (depending on the species and variety), the embryo plant (the germ) rich in protein and fats and vitamins and comprising only about 3% of the seed, and the seed coat, the bran, which is where most of the B vitamins (and many of the minerals) are. At 80% carbohydrate, seeds are, like tubers, an excellent fuel for daily activity. And whole seeds contain the B1 vitamin necessary for carbohydrate metabolism. Grains are relatively 'slow burners', so they don't push up your blood sugar levels and then suddenly drop them - they tend to keep blood sugars relatively stable. Protein source Protein builds growing bodies, and protein is made up in turn of 'building blocks' called amino acids. Grains are low in the amino acid 'lysine', which makes their protein content less useful than it would otherwise have been. Wheat has about 8-15% protein, depending on the variety (ancient wheats had a higher protein content), rice has a low content, at 7%. So grains in general are perhaps best regarded primarily as an energy and vitamin and mineral source. Legumes, on the other hand, are very good sources of protein. Peanuts, for example, are protein rich, with about 25% or more protein content (and with a favorable amino acid profile). Lentils have about 25%, cowpeas have from 23-35%, common beans (Phaseolus) have about 22%, and so on. Legumes tend to be low in the amino acids methionine and cystine, but are high in the amino acid lysine. Lysine is low in grains, so eating the two together leverages the protein content of both. Co-incidentally, legumes such as lentils and peas tended to grow as weeds among wheat and other grains at the time they were being domesticated; in South America maize, a grain, was (and is) grown with beans, a legume. In Asia rice and Soya beans complement each other. In conjunction with tree seeds, and to a lesser extent meat/marrow, the protein and oils of wild African legumes may have been the deciding factor in allowing humans to develop a big brain, and consequently evolve to the point where you can read this on the Internet! Other seeds are also rich in protein. Sesame seeds are about 20% protein, altho, like grains, they are low in lysine. Mixing them with a legume such as the chickpea, Cicer arietum, (e.g. in the middle Eastern dish 'houmous') balances it out. Both sunflower seeds and pumpkin seeds are also high in protein. Mineral and vitamin source Grains are a very good source of magnesium, calcium, and potassium. Grains are a good source of chromium- necessary for maintaining normal glucose tolerance (low chromium intakes are very common in the industrialized diet, and over the long term this chromium deficiency may contribute to onset of type 2 diabetes mellitus, or middle-age diabetes). Legumes are a useful source of these minerals. Seeds in general are excellent sources of B-complex vitamins and vitamin E. Two of the most critical nutrients for humans are folic acid, essential for normal cell division, immune response and correct developement of the fetus in the womb; and thiamine, vitamin B1, essential for metabolising the carbohydrates in seeds, nuts, and tubers. Legumes, interestingly, are particularly rich sources of both these fundamentally important elements. Legumes are high in iron and B vitamins, particularly B6. The iron in beans is reasonably bioavailable, ranging from 53% to 76%, depending on the variety. The iron levels also vary between cultivated varieties - the range is from about 50 to 150 micrograms/gram (dry weight). USDA Agriculture Research Station experiments have also shown that once cooked, there is no relationship between phytate or tannin concentrations and the amount of iron that is bioavailable. Researchers in Japan are currently working to genetically engineer legume iron carrying protein (ferritin) into rice, which, it is estimated, would enable a typical rice meal to supply from 30-50% of daily dietary iron needs. Sesame seeds are rich in calcium and in vitamin E, altho' when hulled the calcium analysis drops off. Fibre source Whole grains have a lot of 'woody' (for want of a better description) fibre in their seed coat which help regulates bowel activity. What is less well known is that many also contain soluble fibre, which also has positive health benefits. The soluble and insoluble fiber in seeds is known to be helpful in preventing constipation and diseases of the digestive tract such as diverticulitis. It is also suspected that fiber may have a protective effect against colon cancer. Oats contain quite high amounts of soluble fiber, as does barley, and to a lesser extent, wheat. Legumes high in soluble fiber are lentils, pinto beans, and black beans. Legumes are also an excellent source of insoluble fiber. The fiber content of legumes slows the digestion of their carbohydrates content, regulating blood sugar levels. Source of fats, including essential fatty acids The oils in oily seeds are an excellent energy source, and when eaten as part of the whole seed are slowly parcelled out into the blood stream over a period of hours. While oily seeds are a concentrated source of calories, like any calory containing (or convertable) food, their calories are only stored as fat when we eat more calories than we need for energy. Otherwise, the oils and carbohydrate are burnt in the furnace of active life. Legumes from which oil is extracted, such as peanuts (40-59% oil content) and soya beans, obviously have a high oil content (some non leguminous seeds, such as sesame seeds also have a high oil content - sesame has between 45% and 60%) . When whole seeds are eaten, it is suspected that the oil portion is very slowly released and metabolised, preserving and enhancing both stable energy levels and favorable blood fat chemistry (the effect on blood fat profile of consuming the expressed oils can be quite different). Whole peanuts have been found to be particularly helpful in maintaining energy levels in times of sustained exertion, such as playing soccer. Two kinds of fats, 'omega-3' and 'omega-6' are essential for various body functions, and have to be obtained from the food we eat, as the human body can't synthesise them from other dietary fats. While omega-6 fatty acids are quite pervasive in the Western diet, Omega-3 is not. Linolenic acid, an omega-3 fat, is found in flax seeds, soya beans, and pumpkin seeds. Flaxseeds (linseed) is a very rich source of omega-3 fatty acids, with about 18.1% omega-3 content. The very oily seeds of the Perilla plant ('Korean sesame'), Perilla frutescens are also a rich source of linolenic acid. Hormone regulatory effect in women Naturally occurring plant substances, particularly in legumes, have been shown to have a weak hormonal effect. Given our long evolutionary association with legumes, one must wonder if this effect hasn't become integrated into our genetic biochemical background. Flax oil, in particular, is said to be 'estrogenic', that is it can attach itself to cellular estrogen receptors. This plant derived source of 'plant estrogen' may be helpful for postmenopausal women showing signs of hormone deficiency, such as atrophy and thinning of the vaginal walls. The natural lignans in as little as 10 grams of ground whole flaxseed (daily intake) have been shown to reduce two forms of estrogen associated with breast cancer risk - estrone sulfate and estradiol - in the blood of postmenopausal women. Soybeans also have a weak estrogenic effect, and are also believed to be protective against breast cancer risk. Whole grains in general are suspected to help regulate estrogen levels in the body, through their natural plant estrogens (phytoestrogens) content, and through an effect of their fiber content. The fibre 'lignan' in grains has been found to be weakly estrogenic. Hormonally potent forms of estrogen (estradiol and estrone) are naturally metabolised in the liver to a less active form (estriol). This metabolite is eliminated into the bile, which empties into the digestive tract. The fibre in seeds binds to this estrogen, and it is removed from the body. There is some suggestion that without sufficient fibre, this estriol is altered by gut bacteria to the more potent forms and re-absorbed, altering the ratios of the forms of estrogen in the blood. There is some suggestion that such inbalances of the 'estrogen profile' may tend to predipose such a woman to pre-menstrual syndrome, fibroids, heavier menstrual bleeding, and maybe even breast cancer. Soybeans are filled with natural plant estrogens (or phytoestrogens) called bioflavonoids. Certain bioflavonoids are weak estrogens, having 1/50,000 the potency of a dose of synthetic estrogen. As weak estrogens, these compounds bind to estrogen receptors and act as a substitute form of estrogen in the body. They compete with the more potent estrogens made by a woman's body for these cell receptor sites. As a result, bioflavonoids can help to regulate estrogen levels. After menopause, estrogen levels drop, and dietary sources of estrogen may have an important role in the female body. In Japan, where phytoestrogen rich soybeans are a common part of the diet (altho' only around 4-5 grams of soyabeans per day are eaten, on the average), only 10-15% of women experience menopause symptoms, where 80- 85% of European and North American women (and who eat a standard western diet) do experience symptoms at menopause. A recent study found postmenopausal US women had only around 5% of the phytoestrogen intake of their Asian counterparts - and almost all that small intake was from lignans in fruit. Some people assert that the early onset of puberty in girls in the West is 'caused by' the soya component of food. However, Asian girls, who eat similar or higher amounts of soy do not have early puberty. The much simpler and more obvious explaination is that the calorie rich Western diet both brings the body mass up to the critical 45kg that allows the onset of menstruation much earlier, and that the intricate glucose metabolism/sex hormone synthesis mechanism has been made potentially partly dysfunctional by evolutionary inappropriate dieatary composition and it's concommitant unusual metabolic pathways (unusual compared to the biochemical compostion of the food that was presented to our metabolic pathways over the last million years or so) . In a recent study menopausal women were asked to supplement their diet with a phytoestrogen containing food - soy flour, flax seed oil, or red clover sprouts. The soy flour and flax oil (only) significantly prevented the vaginal mucosa from thinning and drying; but the effect of eliminating these foods caused the mucosa to return to the previous menopausal thinning and drying. In yet another study, post-menopausal women with bad blood fat profiles were split into two groups, with one group given bread and muffins made with flax seeds, the other group foods made with sunflower seeds. After six weeks, they switched seeds for another 6 weeks. The flaxseed lowered the 'bad' LDL cholesterol by 25 mg/dL (a 14.7% reduction) and levels of a protein called 'lipoprotein (a)', by 0.07 mm/L. Artificial estrogen supplements lower levels of this particular protein, 'lipoprotein (a)', but this is the first study to demonstrate that diet can also reduce the levels, possibly due to the weakly estrogenic lignans (according to the researchers). The importance of this is that when estrogen levels drop off after menopause, the increase in lipoprotein (a) (in woman eating a western, industrial diet) oxidizes LDL cholesterol, making it more dangerous, and increases both clotting and cholesterol deposition on artery walls. Other studies have found a relationship between the levels of phytoestrogen in the blood and both 'cardiac favorable' blood fat biochemistry and artery 'reboundability'; an indicator of arterial health. (This relationship of better cardiac health indicators and phytoestrogen levels in the blood was found to be independant of both the bodies own naturally produced estrogen levels and additional estrogen from hormone replacement therapy) Perhaps older women were good legume gatherers in our evolutionary past. Perhaps menopausal and older woman are biologically dependant on external sources of estrogen - from legumes - in the same way as males and females are dependant on vitamin C from external sources...? General Protective effects Eating substantial amounts of soybeans and soybean products has been linked to a lower incidence of breast cancer in Japanese women, and in Japanese men, lower mortality from prostate cancer. A recent study in USA of diet and heart disease in older women showed that one daily serving of whole grains - as cereal or wholegrain bread - cut the risk of death from ischemic heart disease death by nearly a third. Eating refined grains (for example white bread) didn't have a protective effect. When the protective effect of fiber, phytic acid and vitamin E were factored out, there was still a protective effect. The researchers speculate that it may be due to an as yet undiscovered phytochemical in grains, perhaps working together synergistically with the other protective plant compounds and forms of vitamin E in the seed. The most important anti-oxidant we normally think of is vitamin E. Yet there may be other anti-oxidants in some grains that are just as powerful. Oat flour, for example, has long been known for it's anti-oxidant properties - to the extent it used to be used as a component of such things as 'ready-mix' cakes, in order to slow oxidative deterioration of the mix. In a study where men and women ate a controlled diet, with one group getting 1,000 calories of their daily maintainence requirements from oats, and the other getting 1,000 calories from wheat, the people who used oats for energy dropped their blood levels of low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL or "bad" cholesterol) by 23 mg/per deciliter, and the wheat eaters dropped LDL by 13 mg/dL. In addition, at the end of the six week study period, the oat eaters lowered their systolic blood pressure by 7 millimeters of mercury, and the wheat eaters showed a lowering of 2 mm/Hg. The reseachers speculate that the bood chemistry improvement and lower blood pressure are due to the soluble fibre. Oats contain more soluble fibre than wheat. They speculate that the soluble fiber slows down the rate of both digestion and absorbtion, slowing the release of insulin, high rates of release of which is implicated in blood pressure rise in some people. There may also be 'unidentified factors' in oats which have a beneficial effect on blood vessels. Women eating a diet that included 1.3 'servings' of 'whole grains' had about a 30 to 40% lower risk rate of ischemic stroke, relative to the women whose 'normal' intake was a half a serving of whole grains per day. So boosting intake of natural grains to even one serving per day has a powerful stroke protective effect. What particular attribute of grains in gneral, or their effect on metabolism, that is so helpful isn't known. But some useful chemical constituents have been identified. Plants contain a class of common natural chemicals called 'Isoprenoids'. They help regulate such things as seed germination, and plant growth. Grain seeds contain an isoprenoid called 'gamma-tocotrienol', chemically somewhat similar to vitamin E. Laboratory experiments on the growth of human leukemia and breast cancer cell lines showed that the cancer lines growth was three times slower compared to a normal human cell culture which received the same dose of isoprenoid. The important point is that the experiment used a dose of isoprenoids that anyone might be able to be obtain from eating a standard natural diet. Recent (1998) research has shown that nitric oxide in the body has a protective effect on the integrity of the blood vessels. An amino acid, arginine, is the main source of nitric oxide in the body. Peanuts, sesame seeds and sunflower seeds are the richest sources of arginine, along with meat and nuts. The arginine content of wild legumes and nuts in the African and Asian ancestral environment has not been reported (except for the Southern African manketti nut, which has the highest concentration of all, with 3.5 mg/100 mg - peanuts are the next highest with 2.8mg/100 grams). Arginine is said to also be useful in treating some cases of 'penile hypotumescence'. Ahem. The natural 'phytochemicals' known as 'phenols' and 'polyphenols' are hypothesized to be responsible for reducing the risk of cancers in people who eat sufficient fruit and vegetables. The various kinds of polyphenols have a variety of protective modes of action - carcinogen compound blocking, antioxidant and free radical scavenging, and tumour proliferation repression. While the phenols in fruit, black tea, red wine, and vegetables are well known, few know that in fact barley, at 1,200 to 1,500mg/100gms, and some forms of sorghum, (at up to 10,260mg/100 grams) have by far the highest amounts of any foods -other than dried figs (around 1,000mg per 100grams of product). Domestication of Seeds People are quick to seize new technologies - that is a major reason we are so successful. So the initial wild grasses and legumes that had already been domesticated acted as a sort of 'pre-emptive strike' against the domestication of other perfectly edible wild species. Once the advantages of growing these 'new technology' seeds was apparent, wild harvesting (and thus the possibility of domestication) of other equally promising species effectively ended. That is why we eat dried peas, Pisum sativum, and not the equally good, closely related species Pisum fulvum. The same effect prevented any of the other numerous edible relatives of flax, barley, lentils, or chickpeas being domesticated. It's not that they weren't good enough. They just weren't first. Domestication of seeds meant that on average, vastly more people could live per square kilometre than if the same space was used for gathering and hunting. Increased births resulted in pressure for more land, more forest was cleared for seeds, and continues to be cleared today. The destruction of wild places to catch meat, gather nuts and fruits, meant a much narrower dietary base, more possiblity that key nutrients would be missed. Much depended - and still depends - on cultural beliefs and practices. Maize is deficient in the B group vitamins. In Central and South America, the Indians ate it with B vitamin rich fish, avocadoes, tomatoes, peppers, and green leafy plants such as 'Malva' (depending on the region). In North America, prior to the arrival of the colonizers, it was steamed with clams, cooked with beans and meat, and generally used as a staple of a mixed diet. In some parts of Africa, maize, once introduced, overtook some of the original grains, and became heavily relied on. With increasing population pressure, it became almost a sole food, and pellagra, vitamin B deficiency, showed up. A diet based exclusively on seeds and vegetables is not optimal; a diet based predominantly on a wide variety of seeds, roots, vegetables and nuts, with a small amount of animal or sea food is certainly one of the optimal ways of meeting human evolutionary nutritional needs. Grass Seeds The human animal survived and spread because we are generalist. We are not tied to any one food. We don't have to eat any one food; we just have to eat. Animals eat grass, we eat animals: "all flesh is grass", as the ancient saying goes. But grasses also create 'survival capsules' to carry themselves over the dry periods and to spread. These are of course, seeds. And seeds need a food supply for energy while the newly emerging plantlet 'finds it's roots', as it were, and also protein to build the tiny plant body until it is independently making its own. We need carbohydrates and protein as well, so what could be better than to steal and eat the grasses pre-packed survival pods? Well, a lot of things actually. Most grasses just don't pack a large enough lunch for humans to consider them worth collecting. But in sheer production per given area, there is a lot of food going begging. We ('we' being women, no doubt) likely only collected wild grass seeds when tree seeds, meat, or starchy roots weren't available. Parts of the human population may have had to turn more and more to grass seeds as a resource as richer lands were already occupied. And there is evidence that we harvested quantities of wild grass seeds at least 12,000 years ago. We have almost certainly always eaten wild grass seeds in our evolutionary history, but probably as a short seasonal harvest, rather than a daily fare. A site ('Ohalo II') on the shores of the Sea of Galilee, in the Jordan Valley shows that we were harvesting and eating wild wheat and wild barley over 19,000 years ago, as part of a seasonally mixed diet that included fish, animals, tree seeds (acorn), fruit, and other plant parts. Certainly, when we radiated out of Africa into the Eastern Mediterranean and South West Asia there was an annual abundance of waving grasses in the foothills - and the animals that grazed them, no doubt. Experiments with harvesting wild 'einkorn' wheat (higher in protein than domestic wheat) in Turkey showed that one hour of work yielded nearly 1 kilogram of grain. Every 1 kcal of energy expended yielded about 45 kcal of energy food. (see also below) One thing is certain - we would have preferred the larger seeds and the more palatable seeds.Of the 23 or so edible grass seeds of the grasslands of the eastern Mediterranean, two had big seeds - relative to the rest, anyway. One was emmer, a form of wild wheat, the other was barley. Emmer had the additional advantage of the seeds not sticking to the outer husk, unlike barley (even today, barley has to be 'pearled', that is, the adherant hull abraded off mechanically). The temperate zone grasses did not spread south beyond the climatically similar Nile valley. Dryland grasses are not suited to Equatorial and Sub Equatorial Africa's humid climate and pattern of summertime rainy season. In the hot and humid parts of Africa and Asia, the aquatic grass we call 'rice' met the prescription for larger and more palatable seeds. Domestication of grass seeds 'Millets' This is a slightly dismissive term used by European colonialists to describe predominantly African and Asian grains that Europeans themselves didn't ordinarily eat. It includes 'common' or 'broom-corn' millet Panicum miliaceum, the shiny seed usually fed to budgies in the west; 'foxtail millet' Setaria viridis var. italica, an Asian species domesticated in China for at least 2,500 years and used in the west primarily as 'millet sprays' for your budgie cage (a native middle Americas species, S. parviflora, was almost domesticated by 3,500 years ago, but was abandoned as maize emerged) ; 'Japanese millet' Echinochloa frumentacea a very fast maturing grass seed widespread in many climatic zones of South East Asia; but not much now used; 'pearl' or 'bulrush millet' Pennisetum typhoides a white seeded millet on a bulrush-like head, which, unlike bulrushes, is adapted to semi arid areas and probably originated in the Sudan or immediate sub Saharan Africa ; 'finger millet' Eleusine coracana, a species native to tropical east Africa, is a short stemmed, dry land adapted, millet with excellent storage characteristics and an outstanding mineral content, and is still a staple in parts of central and eastern Africa; and 'sorghum' Sorghum bicolor, from Ethiopia a relatively large seeded drought resistant millet that doesn't keep well. It was probably domesticated in Ethiopia or Central Africa, initially maybe around 5,000 years ago, and carried to West Africa, perhaps 3,000 years ago, where it was further developed by the Mande people, especially the high quality white seeded forms (red grained types are bitter). Various species of Panicum, or 'panic' grasses, are indiginous to Africa. In South East Africa, possibly the cradle of the human species, there are at least seven species- Panicum aequinerve, P. deustum, P. ecklonii, P. hymeniochilum, P. maximum, P. natalense, and P. subalbidum. Westerners who chose to eat a primarily grain and seed based diet consider Panicum the most digestible of all seeds, and the best suited to human nutrition. Given our long evolutionary association with this grass seed, it is not suprising. 'Millet' farming has been dated to 7,500 years ago in Northern China, so it seems likely that consumption of wild millets has been going on for many millenia prior to that date in Asia. These grains are primarily dry-land adapted, are generally low yielding, but very tough. They don't have the high productivity of temperate grains such as wheat, and are much smaller seeded (except for sorghum). But they make life possible in drought prone, difficult areas. Presumably Europeans don't eat millet because it has no gluten and can't be made into a bread. Finger Millet, Eleusine coracana - A very good page covering the origin, distribution, nutrient analysis, ecology and more. http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/d..._coracana.html Finger Millet, Eleusine coracana - an online re-presentation of the section on finger millet in 'Lost Crops of Africa: Volume I: Grains' (1996), including an outline drawing of the seeding plant. http://books.nap.edu/books/0309049903/html/38.html Foxtail millets, Setaria sp. - an Iowa State University page on their weed potential also has put up good photographs of the seed heads-foxtail millet S. viridis var. Italica; yellow foxtail S. glauca; knotweed, S. parviflora; giant foxtail S. faberi ; and Bristly foxtail S. verticillata http://www.agron.iastate.edu/~weeds/...edID/Ffox.html Rice Unlike the dry climates of the Mediterannean and South West Asia, rice grows in hot, wet, humid climates, so evidence of it's first domestication is poor. 11,500 years is as close as we get (from archaeological sites in China's Yangtse valley, altho' this may have been wild gathered rice), for the dominant rice seed, Oryza sativa, but if the wild seeds were edible and big and productive enough to be worth gathering - and they are - you can bet they have been gathered and eaten for many millenia before that, and probably domesticated as well. A West African rice species, Oryza glabra, was domesticated in West Africa at least 3,000 or so years ago, and is still cultivated to a diminishing extent. And when humans radiated out of Africa into South East Asia, they would have encountered the wild progenitors of O. sativa . These progenitors are thought to have been a weakly rhizomatous perennial form, O. rufipogon, giving rise to an annual form, O. nivara. This species seems to have been domesticated by the peoples of South Asia, the warmer part of East Asia, and the Northern part of South East Asia. The cultivation of this pond edge marginal grass over a wide geographic range, taking in many different soils and seasonal variations has resulted in the very variable O. sativa that is cultivated today. The native African rice also seems to have probably arisen from a rhizomatous perennial ancestor, O. longistaminata, also giving rise to an annual species, O.barthii, ultimately becoming the cultivated O. glaberrima. The Asian and the African rice are very similar in form, but genetically distinct (hybrids between the two species are sterile). The African rice varieties are now rapidly being replaced by highly bred Asian varieties. Wheat & Barley Yields of wild wheats are high relative to the energy expended. In a famous experiment in the later 60's, a botanist used a flint sickle to harvest wild cereals in their natural range. He harvested 1.8 kilograms /4 lbs in an hour. A few weeks' work would have yielded enough grain for one family for a year. Just how many families the wild grain resource of that area could have supported - annual fluctuations aside - is uncertain. But relatively large quantities could be harvested. In some ways, the problem was what to do next. 'Cache' the excess in one place, guard it, and scrape by on whatever other alternative food sources there were until the next harvest? Or eat only a portion of what was there in the grain season, then move on? The first strategy would require semi permanent settlement, and this seems to be be what eventually happened. Settled camps are also defensive units, and it would have made sense to make sure the immediate environment was growing plenty of wild grasses, so the tribe's women and children didn't become dangerously exposed, and didn't have too far to carry the harvest. Gatherer hunters are acute observers of the natural world, and it wouldn't take a big leap of understanding to hit upon both planting harvested seeds close to home, and perhaps choosing the best sorts from the wild population. And when gathering and re-sowing grains over many years, there is a 'drift' towards those that retain their seeds on the head, and that have the most grains on the grass head. Genes for these attributes tend to accumulate by unconcious and conscious human selection at harvest time, as well. This, then, was probably how Europeans came to be eating these particular grass seeds. Tribespeople living in the dry Mediterranean climate these grasses grew in obviously didn't just eat grass seeds. They would have eaten animals large and small, other seeds of annual plants, nuts, and fruit. Upland grass meadows are, by definition, relatively devoid of trees, including seed bearing trees such as nuts. So grass seeds may have been the major carbohydrate source for the local tribes. The seeds would have been a good source of protein, altho' limited by low levels of one of the essential amino acids (lysine). These limiting amino acids could have been 'made up' by other seeds that mature at the same time, such as lentils (or other legumes such as peas). Grass seeds contain oil, vitamin E, and some other vitamins and minerals, except for vitamin C. So they are a very good framework from which to flesh out a diet for health and growth. These domesticated seed producing grasses soon spread west and east to European and Asian countries of a similar latitude. In a span of about 8,000 years or so, grass seeds went from domestication in the eastern Mediterranean and the Tigris-Euphrates river valley region of Iraq to a situation where the seeds were being grown for food from Ireland to Japan. And that is in prehistoric times, a time of relatively low population, with no modern infrastructure or communications other than trade trails and war parties. This is an example of a technology so 'hot' that its benefits needed no selling. The temperate zone grasses did not spread south beyond the climatically similar Nile valley. Dryland grasses are not suited to Equatorial and Sub Equatorial Africa's humid climate and pattern of summertime rainy season. Wheat Wild 'einkorn' wheat, Triticum boeoticum, became the cultivated T. monococcum, still not much different from the wild progenitor, and fairly low yielding. Einkorn wheat is still in cultivation, but in almost imperceptible quantity. Goatgrasses, a group of weedy, very small-seeded Triticum species with a high gluten content and wide ranging climatic adaptability crossed naturally (perhaps even as weeds of our early crops of einkorn wheat) with einkorn to give rise to a series of species known as the 'emmer' wheats. Wild emmer has been identified from at least 10,000 years ago. One emmer, T. dicoccum, is still grown, albeit in small amounts. Emmer wheats have hulls on the seeds that have to be winnowed off. Modern wheats arose from the emmer by mutation in chromosome number. Of these, one, 'spelt' formerly the main wheat of Europe, has grains with hulls, but another, T. aestivum, has naked seeds that fall free from the wheat head. These are now the preferred wheat for bread. Perrennial wheatgrass in southwest Asia - a good factsheet on 'triga', a dryland wild wheat relative that our ancestors may well have collected. It appears to have "no functional gluten", and has similar levels of 'antinutrient substances to wheat'. http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/c...ets/triga.html Brief history of the domestication of wheat - A New York times article relating the probable story of domestication of wheat, in the form of 'einkorn' wheat, Triticum monococcum monococcum. http://www.spelt.com/origins.html Maize 'Maize', Zea mays, and another wild grass 'Teosinthe', Zea mexicana lived in the same region of South America (Mexico and Guatemala) and were probably derived from the same common ancestor. Over the millenia, the very hard grained but 'poppable' teosinthe probably crossed with maize, creating a seed head with more worthwhile characteristics. Native Indians first wild harvested this variable seeding grass, then later domesticated it. The earliest evidence for domestication is from about 12,000 years ago, but evidence of any kind is sparse this far back. Early forms were very small, with very small kernels, and were probably a hard kernelled 'popcorn'. From these early forms, came larger hard kernelled types with a small soft floury core-'flint' corns. 'Dent' corn has a larger floury core, which shrinks as the grain dries, forming a 'dent' on the surface. Floury corns have little hard endosperm, and were preferred by the Indians for cooking. They have smooth kernels, and may be brown, white, pink, red, yellow, purple, streaked, or speckled. Maize seeds were (and are) ground to flour to make a flat bread cooked on the embers, the ears were roasted whole, steamed in an earth oven; the dry grains were soaked in wood ash and lime to remove the hull, then dried and ground to make thin flat breads (tortillas). Immature green corn was eaten in earliest times, and the fungal fruiting bodies of 'corn smut' a serious fungal disease of maize, were eaten (and still are by those who know). Even the pollen was sometimes added to stews. Oats Oats, Avena sativa and A.byzantina, are a grass seed of temperate climates with a good rainfall (although there is a dryland African species, A. abyssinica in Ethiopia). The cultivated species probably evolved from a weedy grass ancestor, A. sterilis, a present day major grass of the hills of the Mediterranean and South West Asia. The larger seeded crop species are very close genetically to the ancestor. It is believed that oats were initially a weed in wheat crops as wheat pushed into central Europe and beyond. As wheat reached its northern European limit, the oats thrived where the wheat didn't, and from this switch, domestication of oats developed. That oats were a less worthwhile seed than other grasses is evidenced by archaeologists finding emmer and einkorn wheat, pulses and barley at sites 8,000 years old in South West Asia, but not oats. Oats don't appear in the archaeological record until about 3,000 years ago, and then not in their native South West Asia, but in Europe. Like barley and flax seeds, oats are one of the few seeds that grow well in a moister, colder climate. And oats are particularly useful for the cold of northern climates, because not only do they have good protein content (about 16%), but they are also a valuable source of fat (about 8%). Barley Another South West Asian grass seed we would have been confronted with as we migrated out of Africa, barley, Hordeum vulgare, is valuable because it is very cold hardy, growing up into the Arctic, and growing at high elevations in the mountains. The husk is tightly adherent to the seed, and our ancestors no doubt would have had to parch it off. (Today it is mechanically abraded off, a process known as 'pearling'). Barley originated from the wild H. spontaneum (H. vulgare is strictly the same species), widespread in Eastern Mediterranean and South West Asia. Archaeological finds of 10,000 year old remains in these regions may be from wild harvested seeds, or may have been the beginnings of cultivation, nobody knows. By 8,000 years ago, 'improved' varieties appear, and it became probably the most important grass seed -far more important than wheat - until only about 2,000 years ago, when wheat more or less replaced it. Curiously, it had the reputation for being a 'strong' food; it was awarded to the champions at the Eleusian games, and gladiators were called 'hordearii', 'barley men', because that was the chief component of their training diet. Rye Like oats and barley, rye, Secale cereale, is a relatively unimportant seed in the big picture of human diet, in that it is a 'second choice' seed used mainly because of it's adaptation to poor soil and very cold conditions. Like oats, it appears late in the history of human domestication of grasses, and linked to life in the colder, more marginal climates of northern Europe. Again like oats, it was probably selected from weeds in wheat crops, as wheat pushed into the limits of its climatic adaptation. Another case of 'the wheat crop failed yet again, but at least we got those weed seeds. Maybe we should forget the wheat and grow the weeds!' The very particular downside of this grass seed is that, like most grasses, it is parasitised by a fungus - but this fungus (ergot, Claviceps purpurea) has poisonous, not edible, fruiting bodies. In fact bread made from heavily contaminated rye seeds can cause hallucinations, gangrene, or abortions, amongst other unpleasantness. Domestication of Legumes Very little is written by Europeans about the early domestication of native seeds in Africa. This is not unreasonable, as Europeans had almost no contact with inland Africa, and African people were convinced that 'the whites purchase negroes for the purpose of devouring them...' as a late eighteenth century commentator noted. Given that in the eighteenth century alone, an estimated 7 million people were kidnapped and shipped to slave plantations, their fears were fully justified. What is known is that in what is present day Botswana, the people raised 'millets' (perhaps Sorghum spp.), a legume similar to the pigeon pea, and a small, spotted type of bean. According to the European commentator (1801), the 'millet' and legumes of these cattle raising peoples were usually boiled together in milk, or 'broiled' (? parched on hot stones). Roasting legume seeds seems to be a major way that hunter gatherers prepared them. Some species were soaked in water first, or the outer seed skin was removed. But even these practices varied between different tribes (today, some tribes peel the seed coat off the introduced South American bean, the 'lima bean', before cooking them, and some don't). As noted above, Africa has many edible legumes, mainly shrubs and small trees. Only three, the lablab bean, Dolichos lablab (a perennial climber), the 'guar bean', Cyamopsis tetragonolobus, and the 'cow pea', Vigna unguiculata, have been fully domesticated, even tho' there are 66 species of Vigna indigenous to Africa for example, and numerous other legumes, some of which, at least, might also be suitable candidates for domestication. Outstanding candidates are the 'morama bean', Tylosema esculentum, (mentioned above), and a peanut look-alike, the Bambarra groundnut, Voandzeia subterranea native to tropical Africa . It is suspected that the cowpea was domesticated 5,000-6,000 years ago, probably in Ethiopia, and in conjuction with the domestication of sorghum, Sorghum bicolor. Obviously, it would have been an important dietary item for a long time before that. The 'guar' or 'cluster' bean has a very interesting galactomannan gum in the seed. Its presumed predecesor, C. senegalensis, is native to drier areas of west Africa. That it was used as human food in Africa is strongly suggested by the fact that it was introduced to Southern India, probably by Arab traders. Generally, introduced 'beans', Phaseolus vulgaris, Vigna radiata (mung bean), Soya bean, Glycine max; and peanuts Arachis hypogaea, have surplanted them. Soya beans were selected by early agriculturalists in Asia, and have been cultivated for at least 2,000 years. Given our long evolutionary history of use of legumes, it is unsurprising this bushy annual was so highly valued. Lentils and peas grew in the same South West Asian/East Mediterranean region as wheat, and when one was domesticated, the other came with it, possibly initially as a weed in the cereal crop. Lentil remains have been found in early settlements of about 8,000 years ago. It is not certain whether they had been gathered from the wild, or were from a crop. By 6,000 years ago, seeds that are larger than the wild forms are found - a strong indicator of domestication. When we radiated down into central and South America, we soon came to appreciate, and domesticate, the wild phaseolus species (P. vulgaris, the common bean, P. lunatus, the lima bean, and P. coccineus, the scarlet runner) we found there. The other big 'find' was a useful legume, the peanut, one of the 40 or so species of Arachis in South America, but with a complex genetic background that resulted in it being big and productive enough to be worth human attention. It was probably domesticated by tribes in the Andean foothills of Southern Bolivia. From there, it spread with Indian tribes throughout South America as far as Mexico and the Caribbean, such was its value. Domestication of other annual seeds Buckwheat Seeds of this crop come from two species, Fagopyrum esculentum and F. tataricum. Buckwheat is a plant of temperate East Asia. The ancestral form is probably of Central Asian origin. It has been cultivated in China for at least 1,000 years, but did not reach Europe until about the middle ages. It does well on poor soils and in cold areas. Buckwheat has a good protein content. Its main use today is in buckwheat noodles, as a flour for baked products, and as a toasted grain for porridge ('groats'). The seed coat is tightly adherent, and has to be abraded or parched off. It is claimed that buckwheat contains "dyes" which, when consumption is heavy enough, are activated by exposure to light to produce skin irritation in the exposed area. Sesame Of the 36 or so species in the genus Sesamum, two thirds are indigenous to Africa. S. angustifolium, S. radiatum, and Ceratotheca sesamoides (same family as sesame, different genus) are still grown to a very limited extent in Africa. One species, S. indicum, is the main commercial crop. It is not found in the wild, so its origin is obscure, but it probably arose from the species S. capense and S. grandiflorum, which are native to Africa, South Asia, and South East Asia. Everywhere, it has been highly valued for its rich, oily seeds. The outer seed coat is tightly adherent, which meant it would have to have been ground to make it edible. Sesame is a low yeilding plant, and the fact it is harvested and has been domesticated attests to the value that humans place on oil rich foods. Archaeological evidence shows sesame in India about 4,000 years ago, and East Mediterranean and South West Asia from at least 6,000 years ago. Due to its small seed size and poor productivity, it has not been a mainstay of a domesticated human diet, but more a highly valued adjunct. Flax seed (linseed) Flax is a widespread annual plant of temperate and warm temperate North Africa and Eurasia. Linum usitatissimum, the domesticated flax, may be derived from the biennial L. angustifolium of South West Asia and Southern Europe. This is a very variable species, and some presently described species, such as Linum africanum, may in fact be L. angustifolium. Either way, this very plastic and variable seed plant will have long been a part of our evolutionary history. South West Asia seems to have been the major centre of diversity for useful seeded forms, and it is thought that flax spread north and west from����� Seed eating now in the West Historical accidents led to Europe being the first to industrialise ( see Jared Diamond's brilliant insights in his book 'Guns, Germs And Steel'), and the first to eat industrial food. There is time in a third world rural agricultural society for people to grind seeds into flour and make unleavened flat bread every day. There is time for the long, slow cooking of pulses. There is little time, understanding, or motivation for such time consuming preparation in the West. Flour has to be stored in bulk to meet the logistics of feeding massive city populations. Whole grains contain wheat germ oil. The germ is sweet and delightful as anything you can imagine when it is freshly seperated out in the roller mill. But outside the protection of the whole seed, it quickly oxidises and becomes rancid. So whole grain flour 'goes off' relatively quickly. The answer? Seperate out the embryo (the 'germ') with it's oils and protein, remove the outer coat, and keep and mill only the carbohydrate store. The result? White flour, with the major natural oils, minerals and vitamins removed by milling. But it does keep well. Similarly, rice is stripped of its nutrient rich outer coat (bran) in the interests of a softer whiter product, albeit a nutritionally gutted product our ancestors did not have the technology to create. The main vitamin lost is B1(thiamine)- white rice has ten times less of this vitamin than the whole seed (brown rice). And what nutrient factor is absolutely essential for carbohydrate metabolism? Thiamine. Culturally, people in the west don't make or use flat breads. The seed we overwhelmingly eat, the wheat seed, is turned into a 'biological foam' by fermenting it with carbon dioxide producing yeasts. The biofoam is then stabilised with heat. The result is the stabilised biofoam of wheat seed carbohydrate that we call 'bread'. This biofoam has best 'mouth feel' if it is made from the depleted, nutrient stripped seed ('white flour'). It is estimated that of the 200 pounds of grain seeds eaten annually by the average American, 95% is nutrient stripped (and artificially 're-fortified' with a few of the originally stripped nutrients), and only 5% is derived from the whole grain nature 'intended' us to eat! Why is wheat seed biofoam more common than most other seed biofoams? Because wheat seed has a particular kind of protein in it called 'gluten', which can form a light springy mass when fermented with yeast. Removing the bran makes it even softer and 'melt in the mouth'. Most other grass seeds either don't have this protein, or don't have much of it (oats and rye have some gluten), and their biofoams are not very foamy, they are dense and solid. 'We don't like to chew, but we sure like to swallow', as the old saying goes! Gluten intolerance Much has been made of 'gluten intolerance'. Some people are allergic to gluten ( it is more prevalent in women than men, and because it is genetically determined, it's prevalence varies between about 1 person in 300 in Western Ireland and 1 in 2,000 for Europe in general); but the gassiness, fatigue, depression, and stomach discomfort can be quickly eliminated by eating other grass seeds such as rice, or millet which contain no gluten. Gluten intolerance is primarily a genetic predisposition, probably involving several genes, and has persisted at a very low level, probably ever since a small portion of the human species inhabited South West Asia and the Eastern Mediterannean. The levels of gluten in the local perennial and annual wheat type grasses were low, and likely didn't provoke much of an auto-immune reaction in most new immigrants; and for those in whom it did, there was much likely to be malabsorbtion of food, poorer nutritional status overall, maybe diarrhoea, complications and either death or poor reproduction, hitting children especially hard. In other words, those indivduals whose genes caused them to react severely to the low levels of gluten in the grains tended to disappear from the local gene pool, leaving a population well adapted to wheat eating, but with a small number who reacted to gluten without showing symptoms, or who had relatively inconsequential symptoms, as the amount of gluten in wild grains was not high. But cultivated wheats have much higher gluten content than their wild parents. It may be that modern wheat is more likely to tip the immune system (of those already genetically pre-disposed) into a reaction. One estimate is around .5% overall in Europe - ( still a high actual number of people) exhibit symptoms of some degree, and maybe 5% being 'silent carriers' of the genes (not exhibiting symptoms, but demonstrating a biochemical reaction to gluten when tested, and perhaps a potential for reaction to triggered off at some stage in their life). So most of the European population of South East European descent show no bad effect from eating gluten containing grains; and those most recently introduced to glutens, as in Ireland, having more people who react. Having a west European background doesn't mean that you are gluten sensitive; it simply means you are more likely to be one of the small percentage of gluten sensitive people. The genes will live on at a low level within the European population, but with the mixing of various populations the level of the genes in the population may shift either higher or lower, depending on a variety of difficult to predict interplaying factors. Gluten intolerance will never 'go away', each individual is biochemically distinct. Some of us have to learn to listen to the intelligence of our our own biochemistry. The seeds we eat are chosen more for convenience and because of cultural norms, not because we 'have' to eat any one particular seed to have a healthy diet. Most people are tolerant of most foods, including grass seeds of all kinds. Some people have food allergies of greater or less importance (one estimate is 10% of the population). These allergies traverse virtually all foods, from beef to wheat, peanuts to oranges. The consequences range from mild gut disturbance, to, in a tiny minority of cases, anaphylactic allergy reaction and death. 90% or more of us have no food allergy (not all digestive effects are caused by allergy-because beans cause gas doesn't equate to allergy!). People in the west today have seeds from Mediterranean-like climates in both the new and old world - wheat, rye, barley, maize, flax, garbanzo/chickpeas, lentils, peas, sesame. We have seeds from tropical and subtropical climates - rice, sorghum, peanuts. We have temperate climate seeds - barley, oats. Some of these seeds are available only in health food stores. Some are preground, some whole, some pre-cooked and canned. We can easily mimic the diverse seed eating of our ancestors because the seeds are available. The main reasons for eating seeds are cultural (convenience) and very recent, not evolutionary. Tubers and roots could be substituted, or green bananas, or nuts. But for 90% or more of the population, there is no reason to. As always, to the extent we re-culturate to eat freshly ground whole seeds, or sprouted seeds, or biofoams with soaked whole seeds, or boiled whole seeds, freshly roasted /parched whole seeds, then we are eating the foods we evolved to eat; and we will obtain the oils, vitamins, minerals, fibres, phytochemicals the cells of our bodies unconditionally require. This natural way of eating creates the pre-conditions for a healthy life, all other lifestyle factors not limiting. http://www.naturalhub.com/natural_fo...eans_seeds.htm

goddess | 10-31-2008 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1389146) Can I have a sarcasm flag or a link to back up the preposterous statement that humans are not supposed to eat grains?
REally we're not. There have been study after study of tribe that eat no grains and they are far healthy than we do, have no heart disease, teeth problems, depression, the list goes on and on. Really you should only eat grains that have been sprouted for lacto fermented. Check out Weston A Price Foundation for more info. :553: You should however make sure to eat your vegis. Even Carivores like lions and tigers eat veggis.

simpleworld | 10-31-2008 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1389716) I think I'm starting to understand. You won't consume anything that is not a part of an animal or has not been extracted from an animal. Where do you obtain vitamin C?
Vitamin C, or ascorbate, might not be part of the chemical makeup of beef, but it is suspected there are other antiscorbutic substances with similar properties present in animal muscle tissues or fat. Either way, a person who eats a diet comprised solely of meat, like the Inuit Eskimos for example, will not be deficient in any nutrients. This was evident in the lack of diet related disease in Inuit peoples. People died of accidents, infection, etc....

simpleworld | 10-31-2008 09:46 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping aybesee123, while man is capable of partially digesting plant matter, whether seed or leaf, we have no requirement to eat such foods. We can't even digest the cellulose/fiber in plant matter like cows can, they are true herbivores. Animal meats are the ultimate superfood. Make sure to eat them as rare as possible to extract maximum nutrition....and eat the fat too. Ever had raw liver pate?

silver_addiction | 10-31-2008 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by simpleworld (Post 1390147) aybesee123, while man is capable of partially digesting plant matter, whether seed or leaf, we have no requirement to eat such foods. We can't even digest the cellulose/fiber in plant matter like cows can, they are true herbivores. Animal meats are the ultimate superfood. Make sure to eat them as rare as possible to extract maximum nutrition. Ever had raw liver pate?
there's a funny thing about this. humans can very easily be vegetarians. and many are: however, you cannot survive off of just meat. So meat is not the ultimate superfood. At least not for humans. Maybe for a vulture you would have a case. If you don't believe me, try an experiment. eat just meat for a year. and then eat just vegetation for a year. you will come back alive from just one of these. the other will kill you. but it is a great way to prove that you post is quilt manipulative and dangerous. :565:

ozarkbilly | 10-31-2008 09:54 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping simpleworld - Would you mind posting a typical 3 or 4 days worth of meals that you consume? I can't get past the thought that this type of eating would become horribly boring.

silver_addiction | 10-31-2008 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by simpleworld (Post 1390131) Vitamin C, or ascorbate, might not be part of the chemical makeup of beef, but it is suspected there are other antiscorbutic substances with similar properties present in animal muscle tissues or fat. Either way, a person who eats a diet comprised solely of meat, like the Inuit Eskimos for example, will not be deficient in any nutrients. This was evident in the lack of diet related disease in Inuit peoples. People died of accidents, infection, etc....
if we were really designed to eat fish or horses or shickens or cows or pigs or squirrels or birds or alligators or worms or frogs or turtles or hippos or whatever else you propose, our physical and genetic make up would be quite different than what you see in humans. the main and most obvious point is that if we were designed to take in meat, it would be easy for us to acquire naturally, and would taste good to us in its natural state. I for one have never seen any human catch and bite into any type of mammal described above, take a bite out of said animal and profess how great it tastes. that is becasue we cannot catch, kill, or eat animals in our natural state. becasue obviously animals are not designed to be part of a humans diet. now picture a banana. we can easily see it becasue we see in color (not found in meat eaters) we can peel it and we can eat it. it tastes just right to us and needs no cooking, frying, spices, ect. to be edible. same goes for a strawberry, orange, peach, apple, berries, ect. ect. ect. logic would tell us that the foods we can acquire and eat in their natural states are the proper foods for humans.

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SLV>GLD | 11-01-2008 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ozarkbilly (Post 1390161) this type of eating would become horribly boring.
While spreading homemade guacamole, homegrown and self roasted peppers, homegrown diced onions, mexican refried beans, some kind of amazing pepper mole, spanish rice and chipotle baked chicken on a heated flour tortilla I pondered a diet devoid of any vegetables and realized that no amount of logic would ever convince me to forsake the wonderful culinary experiences found growing from the earth. Humans are omnivores. We may or may not be able to survive on meat alone but I seriously doubt grains and veggies are some sort of nefarious plot to disrupt an otherwise healthy diet. Man has been eating various fruits of the earth in a myriad of astounding arrays and methods of process for millenia. We are at the top of the food chain and we celebrate this fact with a diverse and beautiful flair. Boring is right. I'll shave a year off my life for variety, thank you very much. If the ETs ever do show up with phasers set to kill the one thing that will defuse the annihilation of our species will be cuisine. I'll think of simpleworld (there's a new bent to that moniker for me) tomorrow while listening to Splendid Table and baking biscuits to eat with some locally produced pumpkin butter.

steel_ag | 11-01-2008 04:52 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping Coconut milk....93 cal per 2 oz serving...approx 7 servings per can...

Hugo Chavez | 11-01-2008 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by silver_addiction (Post 1390169) if we were really designed to eat fish or horses or shickens or cows or pigs or squirrels or birds or alligators or worms or frogs or turtles or hippos or whatever else you propose, our physical and genetic make up would be quite different than what you see in humans. the main and most obvious point is that if we were designed to take in meat, it would be easy for us to acquire naturally, and would taste good to us in its natural state. I for one have never seen any human catch and bite into any type of mammal described above, take a bite out of said animal and profess how great it tastes. that is becasue we cannot catch, kill, or eat animals in our natural state. becasue obviously animals are not designed to be part of a humans diet. now picture a banana. we can easily see it becasue we see in color (not found in meat eaters) we can peel it and we can eat it. it tastes just right to us and needs no cooking, frying, spices, ect. to be edible. same goes for a strawberry, orange, peach, apple, berries, ect. ect. ect. logic would tell us that the foods we can acquire and eat in their natural states are the proper foods for humans.
Your logic would imply we are meant to wash down our fruits and vegetables with some nice yummy antifreeze because it tastes good. Or maybe humans love a good steak cooked over a fire, because we can. Humans have the ability to influence and change their very environment (not to mention food). This ability to think defines humans; even if we choose not to. LOL.

simpleworld | 11-01-2008 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by silver_addiction (Post 1390153) there's a funny thing about this. humans can very easily be vegetarians. and many are: however, you cannot survive off of just meat. So meat is not the ultimate superfood. At least not for humans. Maybe for a vulture you would have a case. If you don't believe me, try an experiment. eat just meat for a year. and then eat just vegetation for a year. you will come back alive from just one of these. the other will kill you. but it is a great way to prove that you post is quilt manipulative and dangerous. :565:
A person can survive just fine on a diet of only animal tissues. As I stated before, do some reading on the Inuit Eskimo peoples. Also check out Vilhjalmur Stefansson, the arctic explorer who lived with the Inuit for years and ate their diet. He also put himself through a one year metabolic ward study. Here's a link to a good article about him. http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm

simpleworld | 11-01-2008 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ozarkbilly (Post 1390161) simpleworld - Would you mind posting a typical 3 or 4 days worth of meals that you consume? I can't get past the thought that this type of eating would become horribly boring.
As I stated earlier, I eat meat every day, cooked very rare unless it's chicken which I cook a little more. I don't eat pork. I supplement with cheese, heavy cream, butter, coconut oil, spices (like garlic, curry) eggs...etc. I eat vegetables once in a while...I don't eat fruit. I've been eating this way over a year. It started as an experiment based on research I was doing into what the optimal human diet is. I have not looked back since. Now, I'm human just like the rest of you and every couple months I treat myself to some cake or some pasta....just for fun. Rest assured, if you can stick with this way of eating it is far from boring. I crave meat every day. It's the most delicious food.

simpleworld | 11-01-2008 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by silver_addiction (Post 1390169) if we were really designed to eat fish or horses or shickens or cows or pigs or squirrels or birds or alligators or worms or frogs or turtles or hippos or whatever else you propose, our physical and genetic make up would be quite different than what you see in humans. the main and most obvious point is that if we were designed to take in meat, it would be easy for us to acquire naturally, and would taste good to us in its natural state.
Meat tastes INCREDIBLE in its "natural state" I eat my meat raw quite often. It's your acculturation that fools you into viewing raw meat as not tasty. Genetically, we are carnivores. Our digestive system is like a Lions. Our teeth can tear, unlike a cows teeth which are only for chewing. Our digestive system is optimized for animal meat digestion. It is able to digest plant matter but not nearly as well as a true herbivore can. We lack the correct enzymes to break down plant cellulose. Quote:
I for one have never seen any human catch and bite into any type of mammal described above, take a bite out of said animal and profess how great it tastes. that is becasue we cannot catch, kill, or eat animals in our natural state. becasue obviously animals are not designed to be part of a humans diet. now picture a banana. we can easily see it becasue we see in color (not found in meat eaters) we can peel it and we can eat it. it tastes just right to us and needs no cooking, frying, spices, ect. to be edible.
Animals are all over the planet. Ancient mans diet was one of mostly animal meats with seasonal plant matter thrown in IF he lived in the tropics. Your example of a banana is very limiting because sweet fruits only grew in the tropics and man lives all over the globe, in places where fruits where very scarce. Plant matter was viewed as "emergency food" to ancient man. Something to eat when there were no animals to eat. Quote:
same goes for a strawberry, orange, peach, apple, berries, ect. ect. ect. logic would tell us that the foods we can acquire and eat in their natural states are the proper foods for humans.
All those fruits and most vegetables available today were designed by selective breeding. None of them where available in nature for man to consume. Thus, they do not qualify as "available in nature". The only food that has always been available in nature is other animals.

simpleworld | 11-01-2008 08:39 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping Want to learn why grains and vegetation are such a large part of our society? It has nothing to do with them being "healthy for us". Check out this article from Harper Magazine.

AMforPM | 11-02-2008 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1388632) Grits is just coarsely ground corn right? And steel cut oats are just coarsely ground oats? So if you can grind your own...it's better to keep them whole until time to eat I am assuming? (to make them stay fresh/edible longer)? Vacuum sealed if possible. You can eat wheat berries that have been "cracked" too right? *found this: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-cracked-wheat.htm
That is close to correct, wildcard. I don't want to grind it. The garden and any business I can get running is enough work for me. It keeps longer than my lifespan pre ground to the precise size I prefer, properly stored. No form keeps without proper storage. The dif is you need better gear to make steel cut oats, for example, than you can have at home. You can only grind a kinda sorta somewhat like steel cut oats with home gear, and if the power is off I don't want to use the time that way. But whole for sprouting just a little then chewing slowly uncooked is a worthy category, IMO. Big nutrient boost. The Roman army marching rations were mixed whole grains soaking as they marched and chewed when soft enough. 24 hour soak suits me.

jamesfrancisco | 11-02-2008 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by simpleworld (Post 1391630) Want to learn why grains and vegetation are such a large part of our society? It has nothing to do with them being "healthy for us". Check out this article from Harper Magazine.
Oh, please post more poorly researched articles from Harper Magazine - prick.:thumpdown

SLV>GLD | 11-02-2008 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by simpleworld (Post 1391614) All those fruits and most vegetables available today were designed by selective breeding. None of them where available in nature for man to consume. Thus, they do not qualify as "available in nature".
This same statement is equally applicable to the animals propagated for meat eating.

simpleworld | 11-02-2008 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jamesfrancisco (Post 1392767) Oh, please post more poorly researched articles from Harper Magazine - prick.:thumpdown
I'm all for discussing the article. I found it to be pretty spot on.

thorgrim | 11-02-2008 07:44 PM
Re: Calorie Shopping I agree that humans were not meant to eat grains but to say that humans were not meant to eat fruits and vegetables is ludicrous. Even animals much more well designed to eat meat like bears eat a large amount of plant matter. Even in a far northern area like Canada there are fruits that are wild like saskatoons, wild strawberries, raspberries, wild rose hips etc. In more hospitable climates there is even a greater variety of fruits and vegetables that grow wild and are edible. Humans bodies are designed to use and store carbohydrates in both the muscles and the liver. All high level athletes consume carbohydrates as athletic performance drops without them. Sure the body can make carbs from protein and can run mostly on fat for fuel but when you reach a certain level of exertion there is no substitute for carbs and the bodies ability to manufacture them in sufficient quantity is lacking. It is the constant over consumption of carbohydrates (with limited or no physical exertion) that is bad for peoples bodies. Not the consumption of fruits and vegetables that is the problem. While I know that many of the high calorie foods Full power mentioned are not very healthy I agree with him. Empty calories are much better than insufficient calories in a survival situation.

nub | 11-02-2008 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by thorgrim (Post 1393151) I agree that humans were not meant to eat grains but to say that humans were not meant to eat fruits and vegetables is ludicrous. Even animals much more well designed to eat meat like bears eat a large amount of plant matter. Even in a far northern area like Canada there are fruits that are wild like saskatoons, wild strawberries, raspberries, wild rose hips etc. In more hospitable climates there is even a greater variety of fruits and vegetables that grow wild and are edible. Humans bodies are designed to use and store carbohydrates in both the muscles and the liver. All high level athletes consume carbohydrates as athletic performance drops without them. Sure the body can make carbs from protein and can run mostly on fat for fuel but when you reach a certain level of exertion there is no substitute for carbs and the bodies ability to manufacture them in sufficient quantity is lacking. It is the constant over consumption of carbohydrates (with limited or no physical exertion) that is bad for peoples bodies. Not the consumption of fruits and vegetables that is the problem. While I know that many of the high calorie foods Full power mentioned are not very healthy I agree with him. Empty calories are much better than insufficient calories in a survival situation.
Not much more to say than this .......you nailed it.:ok:

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