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jaima | 03-07-2008 09:17 AM
Thinking beyond a crash.. I was listening to Gerald Celente on coast. Gerald is a trends analyst with a good record. He has made a lot of people wealthy by predicting the next years trends. Gourmet Coffee and metals were two of his early pics. He is normally a cheerful fellow but recently he has began making very dire predictions. He is predicting a worse case scenario. He is still bullish on metals but he looks beyond that. He is encouraging people to make survival and economics preparation but also suggesting you be looking to your next career. Life will only stop for a short period of time WTSHTF. I remember my Mother telling stories about how people survived the depression. One family friend opened up a hot dog stand and provided cheap food and it kept his family going. My Grandfather ran a gambling hall behind his pool room. My Grandfather made quite a bit of money and in return was buying food and medicine for people in the community. People who found ways to make money had to float others. The whole subject made me curious. I am going to do some research on businesses that did well during the depression. Of course my plan was to offer my services for a shave and haircut but you guys made it clear you were all going to use WTSHTF as an excuse to grow a beard and stop shaving so I will be looking for another career option. http://gloryb.com/forum/ubb/graemlins/nanner.gif

Gold Rules | 03-07-2008 09:36 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Some of us have a very deep & vast... set of life skills that no matter what oppertuneity presents itself we can take advantage of it & make a life for our self...:wink:

Canadian-guerilla | 03-07-2008 09:47 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. there's the old saying, " find a niche and fill it " now what are people gonna need after TSHTF ? besides food and water i would look into some kind of service(s) myself, i'm pretty well caught up on solar power and generators and then, once you provide this service, will the other person have anything that you may want/need ? being a nice person, " you can owe me later ", won't put food on the table now

jaima | 03-07-2008 09:50 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Gold Rules (Post 999751) Some of us have a very deep & vast... set of life skills that no matter what opportunity presents itself we can take advantage of it & make a life for our self...:wink:
I agree GR... but how you will use them? I suspect bartering will become very common. If the Government has their way we will have electronic currency and have to barter or have our every movement tracked. If you think about it. Many people have ZERO practical living skills. I was trying to think of mine. Aside from my medical skills and work with training and tracking Dogs I dont think I have any. I do know how a possum thinks but I dont think that will be a highly demanded skill.

jaima | 03-07-2008 09:54 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. CG, knowledge of solar power and generators will be highly demanded. Im thinking that doing some research on the subject now before things breakdown could be helpful. If there are tools and materials needed now is the time to buy and store. Gerald Celente really got me thinking.

damoc | 03-07-2008 10:04 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. my neighbor bakes the best bread i have made my own but it never seems to be as good as hers i would happily trade for loaves of that stuff and as it stands i grow some grain store some flour and other foodstuffs and have other skills that her and her husband would need. candle making and soapmaking would be a sought after skill and makes an interesting hobby leather tanning and leather work maybee. lots of things now may not pay enough to meet our current expenses but after the crash when jobs start coming back to this country or maybee if government gets out of every aspect of our lives people will be able to make a go of some of these things.

Darkside | 03-07-2008 10:10 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. no idea what I would do. I am a software developer now so WTSHT my skills would be completely useless.

mtnman | 03-07-2008 10:12 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. I can "fix" anything mechanical and I have the tools and machinery to do this (including generators to run my machines, presently working on building a steam engine powered generator). I have also been buying and selling (at a profit) for the past 20+ years. I�ll just continue with my present trades after TSHTF.

GOLD DUCK | 03-07-2008 10:17 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. QWAK,jaima, Just keep an open mind and SEE what people WANT even more than what they NEED and you will see many OPERTUNITIES!:wink: When I went in to basic training back in 1970 I hid a $50.00 bill in my boot (they told us we would not need any money) and we were told to send ALL out civilian stuff and money home. The next day We each recieved what we called our "Flying $25.00" which was for toiletries. They also asked for VOLINTEERS for KP with the understanding we would get 24 Hr. with no duties so I convinced 2 other guys to accept taking KP with me. It sucked but after I went to the little PX and bought a POLOROID camera and ALL the film they had in stock with MY $50.00 my $25.00 and there two $25.00.:s9: We then went from barix to barix offering to take the guys pictures with there newly SHAVED HEADS for $1.00 each. My cost $.50 each! In 3 days each got back there flying $25.00 plus $50.00 and I had the camera,10 boxes of film and over $300.00 in MY POCKET!:wink::D (more than 3X what we got payed in a MONTH) Did somthing similar in Nam when I bought a small refrigerator and sold COLD BEER and SODAS and TUNA sanwhiches out of my hooch. Ended up hiring a hooker to run the store for me wile I was on duty and payed her 3X what she usualy got hooking and she NEVER stole a dime from ME! Basicly what I am saying is that when times get hard there will be things people want SOooooooo bad they will pay dearly to get them. I remember hearing a story of a woman in a GOLD rush town who gathered wild barries and baked pies and she was pulling in way more than any of the miners with clames that were producing GOLD!:wink: Hard to say till it happens but when it does there will be OPERTUNITIES because what is normal NOW won't be and some seemingly simple things will become very valuable especialy if you are the only one offering them! GOOD LUCK,you are a SMART LADY and I am shure you will spot opertunities as they present them selves! the DUCK

CQC McDuck | 03-07-2008 10:29 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. This is a great topic! I haven't really thought about what I could do in the long term, but I should probably do so. In the short term I could see someone with a decent supply of coffee, razers, cigarettes, and booze doing pretty good.

Gold Rules | 03-07-2008 10:41 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 999831) I can "fix" anything mechanical and I have the tools and machinery to do this (including generators to run my machines, presently working on building a steam engine powered generator). I have also been buying and selling (at a profit) for the past 20+ years. I�ll just continue with my present trades after TSHTF.
Ditto for me as well........plus I can build most anything. Self employed contracting business.

Gold Rules | 03-07-2008 10:45 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by jaima (Post 999784) I agree GR... but how you will use them? I suspect bartering will become very common. If the Government has their way we will have electronic currency and have to barter or have our every movement tracked. If you think about it. Many people have ZERO practical living skills. I was trying to think of mine. Aside from my medical skills and work with training and tracking Dogs I dont think I have any. I do know how a possum thinks but I dont think that will be a highly demanded skill.
I am not worried for me....I have all my bases covered. I am sure your medical skills will come in handy after TSHTF. Dont sell yourself short.

Squirrel Bait | 03-07-2008 11:02 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. I' like to become a miller. Seems like back in the real old days millers always had food. People brought their grain in to be turned into flour. Our current system for this is extremely centralized relying heavily on transportation. I'm almost envisioning a scenario where eventually we will be set back a 100-150 years technologically and economically. Fuel for transportation could be scarce.

jaima | 03-07-2008 11:12 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by GOLD DUCK (Post 999839) I went to the little PX and bought a POLOROID camera and ALL the film they had in stock with MY $50.00 my $25.00 and there two $25.00.:s9: We then went from barix to barix offering to take the guys pictures with there newly SHAVED HEADS for $1.00 each. My cost $.50 each! In 3 days each got back there flying $25.00 plus $50.00 and I had the camera,10 boxes of film and over $300.00 in MY POCKET!:wink::D (more than 3X what we got payed in a MONTH)
Duck you are a real character. :D SB, that sounds like a good plan and something oyu have thught through. Gerald Celente was talking about just that . How people would be needing services close to home because of the massive cost of transportation. He plans of his business being centered in an old fashoined town where people can walk.. I would love to see people return to a lifestyle where they could walk most places and children played outside again.

Canadian-guerilla | 03-07-2008 11:15 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. i don't want to put a damper on this but if a food shortage does come about and you believe that this food shortage was planned if TPTB wanted to use food as a weapon i would think all future food producing abilities would be severely controlled

mtnman | 03-07-2008 11:16 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 999920) I' like to become a miller. Seems like back in the real old days millers always had food. People brought their grain in to be turned into flour. Our current system for this is extremely centralized relying heavily on transportation. I'm almost envisioning a scenario where eventually we will be set back a 100-150 years technologically and economically. Fuel for transportation could be scarce.
Canneries will also be needed. At one time you could find small canneries in most rural towns. It is much easier to take your garden produce to a cannery for preserving. The idea is to bring your produce and jars to a central kitchen with large steam canning equipment. The owner gets a percentage of your produce for payment just like the miller.

Sparky | 03-07-2008 11:19 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by damoc (Post 999811) my neighbor bakes the best bread i have made my own but it never seems to be as good as hers i would happily trade for loaves of that stuff and as it stands i grow some grain store some flour and other foodstuffs and have other skills that her and her husband would need. candle making and soapmaking would be a sought after skill and makes an interesting hobby leather tanning and leather work maybee. lots of things now may not pay enough to meet our current expenses but after the crash when jobs start coming back to this country or maybee if government gets out of every aspect of our lives people will be able to make a go of some of these things.
I'm thinking about selling punctuation marks; I'm loading up on periods.

jaima | 03-07-2008 11:23 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky (Post 999955) I'm thinking about selling punctuation marks; I'm loading up on periods.
I am also spelling and punctuation impaired. I believe we are a protected group.

damoc | 03-07-2008 11:35 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky (Post 999955) I'm thinking about selling punctuation marks; I'm loading up on periods.
:D never claimed to be any good at spellin no puctiatin

brewer | 03-07-2008 11:58 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. I like Mtman's approach with the ability to fix anything. A small well stocked shop could provide a nice livelyhood. Think about available resources after the fact. Solar panel systems and gens sounds good, but these need outside suppliers for batteries, inverters wire etc etc. When I lived in central America I witnessed many small shops specializing in one small repair like tires, leather,clothes,bikes and or a local hand made product.... Again these depended on imported sources such as tools and supplies. For me I've considered distilled spirits... corn and hardwood fire is labor intensive, but has proven a money resource in history. A farmer's market or year round flea market sounds feasible. good luck

GOLD DUCK | 03-07-2008 12:30 PM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. QWAK,Jaima,The older I get the more I apreciate the words of my Mom and Dad! One thing my Dad always said was "Sell people what they NEED --- make a LIVING. Sell them what they WANT and make a FORTUNE!" I would add from my personal experience that IF you sell them what they CAN'T get any ware else and they will fall all over them selves THANKING YOU and often offer to HELP!:wink: In Nam we had ration cards for beer and soda so I could only share till my ration card was used up. I had not intended to open a store out of my hooch but when I refused to ware my uniform my CO told the Mess Sargent not to feed me inless I was in uniform so I got creative and bought a small frige at the PX and soda,penut butter,Ritz crackers and lived on that for a wile). One day I was out side in my hammoc watching some SCREAMING EAGLES hold a formation and after it was over I told two of them there was a HOT BATH I had left for them in the shower and they were welcome to stop by after for a COLD BEER!:s9: Next thing I knew there was a LINE out side my door and when the beer and soda were all gone they ALL offered to buy on there ration cards and were HAPPY to pay twice what it cost for the WARM stuff at the px! BTW: In NAM is ware I bought my first GOLD and my store made it posable for me to bring home GOLD JEWLERY for all my famly members and a girlfriend or two!:s9::wink: the DUCK

wallew | 03-07-2008 02:35 PM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Jaima, Stick with what you know. STOCK UP on OTC meds. Yeah, I know they all SAY they have a short shelf life, but that's so fools will throw out perfectly good meds and go buy more, keeping the pharm companies wallets fat. A buddy of mine is getting ready for his annual trip to Viet Nam. He always goes to one certain village. He always takes extra OTC drugs with him. He tells the customs people it's because of his medical condition (partly true) as he's disabled from an injury he sustained as a firefighter. If SHTF and gov closed down everyone if you don't comply with 'chip' technology (coming FOR SURE), then a person who needed some medical assistance but didn't have a chip, you might be surprised. And they won't rat you out, because they may need you again. Keep your rates reasonable, keep a low profile and you should be doing well. Barter is ALWAYS better than cash. And people wonder why I left the computer field and got a second degree in gunsmithing over 11 years ago. I recently purchased a second retired military vehicle. It's an M1031. That's a contact maintenance truck, 1 1/4 t, 4x4 with the older 6.2L diesel engine in it. It's got an aluminum box where the bed should be. On the outside it has numerous LOCKABLE storage compartments. On the inside, it houses a 10 KW generator (PTO driven) and a 5 HP compressor. Plus a spot for my OXY/ACETLENE bottles and a place for a Miller 885 stick welder. You open one of those outside panels and it has six 110v 15 amp plugs, one 210 single phase and one 208 three phase outlets as well. The generator has 47 hours on it. The truck has less that 14k miles. Got it for $2850. Just fixing it up, making sure every thing is functional and I'm putting away a few spare parts for it right now. Like I said, stick with what you know.

Darkside | 03-07-2008 03:59 PM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 1000355) And people wonder why I left the computer field and got a second degree in gunsmithing over 11 years ago. I recently purchased a second retired military vehicle. It's an M1031. That's a contact maintenance truck, 1 1/4 t, 4x4 with the older 6.2L diesel engine in it. It's got an aluminum box where the bed should be. On the outside it has numerous LOCKABLE storage compartments. On the inside, it houses a 10 KW generator (PTO driven) and a 5 HP compressor. Plus a spot for my OXY/ACETLENE bottles and a place for a Miller 885 stick welder. You open one of those outside panels and it has six 110v 15 amp plugs, one 210 single phase and one 208 three phase outlets as well. The generator has 47 hours on it. The truck has less that 14k miles. Got it for $2850. Just fixing it up, making sure every thing is functional and I'm putting away a few spare parts for it right now. Like I said, stick with what you know.
Wow that thing sounds like a GOLDMINE - great find! Is this it? http://www.strategie.com.pl/teksty/z...we/cucv/3s.jpg

wallew | 03-07-2008 04:23 PM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Yup, that be the one. Here's three pix. These ARE NOT MINE. I've got to replace MOST of the front sheet metal and doors because it looks like someone got mad and kicked it in. But that's $500 to replace and I'm good to go. http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/a...1&d=1204925223 http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/a...1&d=1204925077 http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/a...1&d=1204925077

Caligula | 03-07-2008 04:53 PM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. http://www.karavans.com/a_spiritcollapse.html

DogFarm | 03-07-2008 04:54 PM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Duck, that is hilarious. i remember paying some guy at boot camp $5 bucks for a photo in 1991! alas, they have stopped producing polaroid film this year!

brewer | 03-07-2008 05:05 PM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Wallew's advice is very good. Go with what you know... and I assume it's medical treatment. Once again there is a need for drugs and supplies from some kind of source If your cache is depleted and supplies are hard to find and/or expensive. Just a thought..how about midwife and pre-natal care? People will still be making babies, maybe more than ever since birth control might be less available.

jaima | 03-07-2008 09:23 PM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by GOLD DUCK (Post 1000104) BTW: In NAM is ware I bought my first GOLD and my store made it posable for me to bring home GOLD JEWLERY for all my famly members and a girlfriend or two!:s9::wink: the DUCK
Duck, today's economy makes having two girlfriend unaffordable. Everyone is downsizing.. :party:

jaima | 03-07-2008 09:24 PM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. The price of medical supplies is going to be a real problem. They are already ridicously priced.

GOLD DUCK | 03-07-2008 09:31 PM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by jaima (Post 1001051) Duck, today's economy makes having two girlfriend unaffordable. Everyone is downsizing.. :party:
QWAK,jaima,TELL me about it!! I live with a CAT and a DOG!:hahaha::haha::haha: HE HE HE the DUCK

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GOLD DUCK | 03-07-2008 09:38 PM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by jaima (Post 1001052) The price of medical supplies is going to be a real problem. They are already ridicously priced.
QWAK,Have you concidered geting in to HOLISTIC medicin using natural hurbs. Most of the fancy stuff the AMA and the DRUG companies push on people is out there in other natural forms which are safer and just as efective. Asprin came from the bark of a willow tree originaly until the active ingredients were isolated and synthisised. When NATURE is your pharmacy you never run out of meds!:wink: Just somthing to PONDER. the DUCK

Glass | 03-07-2008 09:53 PM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by GOLD DUCK (Post 1001066) QWAK,Have you concidered geting in to HOLISTIC medicin using natural hurbs. Most of the fancy stuff the AMA and the DRUG companies push on people is out there in other natural forms which are safer and just as efective. Asprin came from the bark of a willow tree originaly until the active ingredients were isolated and synthisised. When NATURE is your pharmacy you never run out of meds!:wink: Just somthing to PONDER. the DUCK
Can you or anyone suggest a good reference for identifying/using natural remedies please?

GOLD DUCK | 03-07-2008 10:21 PM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. QWAK,There are tons of stuff out there you got to do some researching but perhaps just hit your local suplement store and ask the owner they are usualy some what fanatics and may be able to recomend local HEALERS. The AMA aint the only choice but it is the one the SYSTEM tries to force you to take because it's BIG BUSINESS! the DUCK

jaima | 03-08-2008 06:04 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by GOLD DUCK (Post 1001108) QWAK,There are tons of stuff out there you got to do some researching but perhaps just hit your local supplement store and ask the owner they are usually some what fanatics and may be able to recommend local HEALERS. the DUCK
Duck, I do use a lot of herbs, supplements and homeopathy. Only if those routes fail will I turn to allopathic medicine. Please stay vigilant because supplements and herbs under danger too. The Government wants to regulate those too and make many of them prescription drugs. Its already happening in Europe.

Infidel | 03-08-2008 06:15 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Owning security companies are likely going to be close to a goldmine for a city dwellers that want to own a small business.

GOLD DUCK | 03-08-2008 08:27 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by jaima (Post 1001362) Duck, I do use a lot of herbs, supplements and homeopathy. Only if those routes fail will I turn to allopathic medicine. Please stay vigilant because supplements and herbs under danger too. The Government wants to regulate those too and make many of them prescription drugs. Its already happening in Europe.
QWAK,jaima,I do too and am awair that they are pushing to take controle of that also, how ever I also know there are lots of usefull things growing around in my own back yard that could be gathered. Some one who knows what to pick and when and how to prepare it could be extreamly valued I would think. Sort of like being the local SHAMON perhaps could fit just right for you? the DUCK

jaima | 03-08-2008 09:03 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Duck I have an old friend who is a medicine woman. I cant remember what tribe took her in but she is the only white woman they ever allowed to train with them. She moved back to our area so I need to touch base with her. She is expert on growing and gathering for indigenous plants. A lot of my favorite herbs come from the rainforest. I have had amazing results with the rain tree products. The Government won't rest until they can get their grubby little hands on all of it. My Senator is leading the charge.

Squirrel Bait | 03-08-2008 09:34 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by jaima (Post 1001484) Duck I have an old friend who is a medicine woman. I cant remember what tribe took her in but she is the only white woman they ever allowed to train with them. She moved back to our area so I need to touch base with her. She is expert on growing and gathering for indigenous plants. A lot of my favorite herbs come from the rainforest. I have had amazing results with the rain tree products. The Government won't rest until they can get their grubby little hands on all of it. My Senator is leading the charge.
Jaima, I too, would be interested in hearing more of this. We briefly talked about elderberry a while back. Would you recommend any books. I've already got a few, well one big one, don't know if it's any good though. I would love to befriend a Medicine woman/man in my area but don't know of any. I'm in the process of starting another batch of Blackberry wine this morning. Does it have any medicinal aplications???? sb

damoc | 03-08-2008 09:53 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Tom browns field guide to edible and medicinal plants is a good start

RealityCheck | 03-08-2008 10:02 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 1001512) I'm in the process of starting another batch of Blackberry wine this morning. Does it have any medicinal aplications???? sb
It's probably helps sooth a hangover. :D

Squirrel Bait | 03-08-2008 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RealityCheck (Post 1001527) It's probably helps sooth a hangover. :D
I know it can couse one!! sb

GOLD DUCK | 03-08-2008 10:16 AM
Re: Thinking beyond a crash.. QWAK,It seems to me that when TSHTF the only ones who will be able to afford Doctors and the established system will be the ELEAT and even for them the costs will be EXTREAM. I think a special section to share knolage and information on WHAT to gather and WHEN and how to prepare,store and use for asorted problems would be of great help to all GIM members. I know I have tons of Sasafrass here at the DUCK NEST but I am shure there is lots and lots of other things too but I don't know what to look for or how to identify the plants. Pictures and procedures,how to make best use and how to avoid over dosing etc. could not only be helpfull but SAVE LIVES!:thinkey: Perhaps because many of us here already live out in the boonies we could even EXCHANGE the things we gather with others who have things that do NOT grow around THEM ware they live. BTW:I have been told that just gathering and drying Sasafrass roots can be very lucrateve even NOW so for some it could be another sorce of income right out side there door to help them buy more PMs and PREPS!:yes: the DUCK

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