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rogold | 04-25-2009 06:04 PM
Surviving the Swine Flu Post what you know.... http://www.the-health-gazette.com/he...ral-antivirals Alternative medications that are most likely to help us during a severe pandemic: Garlic (allicin) - Very effective antiviral. Best if fresh (raw) and crushed. Must be consumed within 1 hour of crushing. Dosage is initially 2 to 3 cloves per day but later reduce until no body odour occurs. No toxic effects noted. (Pubmed PMID 9049657) Vitamin C - Boosts the immune system and is an antiviral by blocking the enzyme neuraminadase. Viruses need neuraminadase to reproduce. There are anecdotal stories of people taking large amounts of Vitamin C (children �) surviving the Spanish Flu. Research shows that it may reduce the production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. A study on 470 people involved giving the test group 1000 mg hourly for 6 hours and then 1000 mg 3 times daily after reporting flu symptoms. Symptoms decreased by 85%. (Pubmed PMID 10543583, 634178, 16169205, 12876306) Green Tea (possible Tamiflu/Relenza alternative)- Very effective antiviral. Also decreases the production of the cytokine (catechins) TNF-a. Inhibits neuraminidase. May have antiviral activity that is equal to other antivirals such as Tamiflu. (Pubmed PMID 16137775) St Johns Wort (Hypericum) - Very effective antiviral. Also decreases the production of the cytokine IL-6. Hypericum is an extract from St John’s Wort. There have been some very successful field trials in commercial flocks infected with H5N1 in Vietnam. (Pubmed PMID 7857513, 11518071, 11362353, 7857513, 11518071) Vitamin E - Immune booster. Also decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. (Pubmed PMID 155882360, 10929076) Experiments involved using mice. Very suitable for immune compromised people, especially the elderly. Effects enhanced when taken with Vitamin C. Apple Juice - Antiviral. Fresh apple juice including the pulp and skin has greater antiviral activity than heated commercial apple juice. More research is needed. Effectiveness on H5N1 is unknown. (Pubmed PMID 32832, 12452634) Resveratrol - Antiviral. In addition to inhibiting neuraminidase, Resveratrol also sends a message to cells to stop manufacturing viruses. This is a proven antiviral found naturally in red wine, peanuts, mulberries, Japanese Knotwood root (richest source), raisins and red grapes. Resveratrol supplements are relatively inexpensive, are more stable than wine and is available in liquid form for absorption in the mouth. No toxic effects noted. (Pubmed PMID 1583880, 12817628, 15985724) Scuttellaria (Skullcap) - Antiviral. A herb used as a tea. It has no side effects and is also a mild tranquilliser. Research suggests neuraminidase, which is a substance needed by the H5N1 virus to reproduce, may be inhibited. Cranberry Juice - Early research shows that it may be an antiviral, making viruses less able to invade or multiply. Effectiveness on H5N1 is unknown. (Pubmed PMID15781126) Cat’s Claw (Uncaria tomentosa) - Decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. Also boosts immune system. The number of white blood cells was significantly increased during treatment. No toxicity was noted. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...arch&DB=pubmed) Active constituents can be found in the leaves, bark, vine, and roots. Water extraction from bark used. Children and pregnant women are to avoid. Has a potentially damaging effect on the DNA of proliferating cells. (cancers, foetuses, growing children) Curcumin (Tumeric Spice) - Decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. This is the yellow compound in turmeric spice. Research shows that this may be very good for preventing a cytokine storm although this is not proven. Must be taken with food or gastritis or peptic ulcers may occur. Pregnant women and feeding mothers should avoid this. The medicinal properties of curcurnin cannot be utilised when used alone due to rapid metabolism in the liver and intestinal wall. When combined with Piperine found in black pepper the absorption is increased with no adverse effects. Obtainable from health stores in tablets, liquid, capsules already combined with piperine. Dosage is 500mg to 4000mg daily. Astragalus root (Astragali Radix) - Boosts immune system. (Pubmed PMID15588652) Tea tree Steam Inhalation - Reduces the cytokine TNF-a. Add 2 drops of tea tree oil in a bowl of steaming water. Cover head with a towel and inhale for 5 to 10 minutes. Relieves congestion and fights infection. Its effectiveness is unknown. (Pubmed PMID 11131302) The following substances may be best to avoid during a H5N1 pandemic Elderberry juice (Sambucal) - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 virus. Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm. (Isr Med Journal2002 Nov;4:944-6) Micro Algae (Chlorella and Spirulina) - AVOID - Increases production of cytokine TNF-a. (Pubmed PMID 11731916) Honey - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID12824009) Chocolate - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID 12885154, PMID 10917928) Echinacea - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. Although it is often used for normal flu, research shows that it may increase the chance of cytokine storms for H5N1. (Pubmed PMID 15556647, 9568541) Kimchi - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID15630182) Dairy products & Bananas - AVOID - These foods increase mucous production.

rogold | 04-25-2009 06:06 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu As posted earlier, N95 masks are currently available at home depot and lowes in most cities. Mexico City pharmacies are already running dry on them. It may be best to have get them now.

GOLD DUCK | 04-25-2009 06:12 PM
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Old Herb Lady | 04-25-2009 06:28 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu IMO everyone needs to stock up if they haven't done so: ** Colloidal Silver, Oil of Oregano , Olive Leaf Extract, Honey, Garlic, Tumeric & OPC's ** Essential Oils of frankinsence, myrrh, clove, tea tree, eucalyptus (to start.)

rogold | 04-25-2009 06:38 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu Mamboni gave us this in another post: My advice to all here is to take this very seriously and start taking basic precautions now - I have already instructed my wife and children to do so: 1. frequent hand washings, especially after touching foreign surfaces (although the flu virus usually requireds droplet spread or direct contact with victims). Avoid anyone with cough, sneezing, fever or other unexplained symptoms that could be influenza - most people don't know when they have it. 2. Avoid handshakes, kissing or other gratuitous contacts for the time being 3. Consider cancelling attendance at public events 4. Avoid elevators, crowded rooms and any environment likely to expose you to inhaled droplets from a sneezing-coughing victim. 5. consider prophylactic anti-viral drugs applied to oral and nasal cavity linings when in high risk situations

rogold | 04-25-2009 06:41 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu From DMAC00: From a birdflu preparedness site: USA Standards Efficiency * NIOSH N95 94% NIOSH N99 99% NIOSH N100 99.97% European Standards Efficiency * EN149:201 FFP1 80% EN149:201 FFP2 94% EN149:201 FFP3 99% * efficiency rating when tested with .3 micron and above particle sizes http://www.homedefensehq.com/selecting-bird-flu-masks/

rogold | 04-25-2009 06:43 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu From MagPie Fairy: Here is a list of links that some of you might find useful for information of prepping and just for general information: http://www.fluwikie.com/ http://www.buildanark.net/index.php?...0Pandemic.html http://www.healthmap.org/en http://www.birdfludefense.com/011991.html http://www.birdflumanual.com/panPrepStore/ http://pandemicinformationnews.blogspot.com/ http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_topics.asp?FID=379 http://www.curevents.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=40 http://www.newfluwiki2.com/frontPage.do http://www.bird-flu-advice.org/ http://www.getpandemicready.org/ http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/

rogold | 04-25-2009 06:44 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu From RealityCheck: I figure this might be a good place to post this, I cant confirm if its true but it has been promoted by Dr Mercola in the past: Hydrogen peroxide in the ears for the flu and colds? Although it would appear to contradict what we are taught about the flu and colds, many people have tried hydrogen peroxyde in the ears with great success. Hydrogen peroxide works quite well and is supposed to be effective about 4 times out of 5, especially if done when the symptoms first appear. In 1928, Dr. Richard Simmons, hypothesized that colds and flu virus enter our bodies through the ear canal. It was Dr. Simmons' hypothesis that, contrary to what we have been taught, we usually can catch the two via the ear canal and not through the eyes or nose or mouth as most of us believe. Dr. Simmons' findings were dismissed by the medical community. <TABLE width=619 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=387>According to Dr. Simmons, keeping your fingers out of our ears will greatly reduce our chances of catching colds and the flu, but we need to keep in mind that these 2 are microscopic and can be air-born and may land on/in our ears. Once these microscopic bodies have entered the inner-ear, they then begin to breed, and from there they have access to every avenue throughout our bodies to travel, and infect and make us sick.</TD><TD width=222> http://www.healingdaily.com/exercise...ide-in-ear.gif </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Remarkable results can be achieved in curing colds and the flu within 12-14 hours when we administer a few drops of 3% Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) into each ear. The H2O2 starts working within 2-3 minutes in killing the cold or flu. There will be some bubbling and in some cases mild stinging might occur. I do this myself and I can assure you that it is not painful in any way. It tickles more than anything. Wait until the bubbling subsides - usually a few minutes - then drain onto a tissue and repeat with the other ear. Although this practice is perfectly safe for infants and children to use, the loud bubbling and stinging may frighten them, and they will need someone they trust to put the hydrogen peroxide in their ears. DO NOT get hydrogen peroxide in the eyes - if you do, flush with water. http://www.healingdaily.com/exercise...de-in-ears.htm

keelhaul | 04-25-2009 07:31 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu I'm in the market to stock up on some Tamiflu. I was confused when I saw that it's available in in doses of 30, 45 or 70 mg, so I did some research on this. Here's what I found: http://www.rxlist.com/tamiflu-drug.htm TAMIFLU may be taken with or without food (see CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY: Pharmacokinetics). However, when taken with food, tolerability may be enhanced in some patients. Standard Dosage – Treatment of Influenza Adults and Adolescents The recommended oral dose of TAMIFLU for treatment of influenza in adults and adolescents 13 years and older is 75 mg twice daily for 5 days. Treatment should begin within 2 days of onset of symptoms of influenza. The table in the link above shows that the smaller 30 and 45 mg dosages are for children of various weights. Additional useful info: Store at room temperature (77 degrees F or 25 degrees C) away from light and moisture. Brief storage between 59-86 degrees F (15-30 degrees C) is permitted. Shelf life of Tamiflu appears to be 7 years: http://www.chugai-pharm.co.jp/MEDIA/...2e_Tamiflu.pdf http://www.topix.com/drug/tamiflu/20...ded-to-7-years I haven't done extensive research on comparing costs of various suppliers of Tamiflu, but http://www.drugstore.com has it for $92.99 per 10-capsule pack (regardless of mg dosage): http://www.drugstore.com/pharmacy/dr...search=Tamiflu

elroy | 04-25-2009 08:23 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu I've been dealing with BM Pharmacy and 4 Corners Pharmacy, both are online. No problems with these places and 4 Corners has some of the cheapest prices on anti-biotics. Does anyone know what drugs are recommended for the Pig flu and what drugs would work in a pinch if the preferred treatment is not available? I'm stocked up on amoxicillin right now, would it work for pig flu?

Ag_man | 04-25-2009 08:52 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy (Post 1694260) I've been dealing with BM Pharmacy and 4 Corners Pharmacy, both are online. No problems with these places and 4 Corners has some of the cheapest prices on anti-biotics. Does anyone know what drugs are recommended for the Pig flu and what drugs would work in a pinch if the preferred treatment is not available? I'm stocked up on amoxicillin right now, would it work for pig flu?
All antibiotics are useless against viral diseases.

Joanner | 04-25-2009 10:50 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu Are doctors willing to give out prescriptions for Tamiflu if you don't have the flu? Mine isn't.

Ag_man | 04-25-2009 11:02 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu Quote:
Originally Posted by Joanner (Post 1694437) Are doctors willing to give out prescriptions for Tamiflu if you don't have the flu? Mine isn't.
Same here. I can't even get a prep antibiotic script from the bitch.

Shasta Gold | 04-25-2009 11:23 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu Quote:
Originally Posted by rogold (Post 1694106) The following substances may be best to avoid during a H5N1 pandemic Elderberry juice (Sambucal) - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 virus. Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm. (Isr Med Journal2002 Nov;4:944-6) Micro Algae (Chlorella and Spirulina) - AVOID - Increases production of cytokine TNF-a. (Pubmed PMID 11731916) Honey - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID12824009) Chocolate - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID 12885154, PMID 10917928) Echinacea - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. Although it is often used for normal flu, research shows that it may increase the chance of cytokine storms for H5N1. (Pubmed PMID 15556647, 9568541) Kimchi - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID15630182) Dairy products & Bananas - AVOID - These foods increase mucous production.
I wish to emphasize this part! DO NOT TAKE SUPPLEMENTS WHICH BOOST THE IMMUNE SYSTEM IF YOU GET THE NEW FLU!!

elroy | 04-26-2009 10:41 AM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu From the CDC website What medications are available to treat swine flu infections in humans? There are four different antiviral drugs that are licensed for use in the US for the treatment of influenza: amantadine, rimantadine, oseltamivir and zanamivir. While most swine influenza viruses have been susceptible to all four drugs, the most recent swine influenza viruses isolated from humans are resistant to amantadine and rimantadine. At this time, CDC recommends the use of oseltamivir or zanamivir for the treatment and/or prevention of infection with swine influenza viruses. http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/key_facts.htm oseltamivir phosphate = tamiflu

rogold | 04-26-2009 11:10 AM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu Mexico City: Supermarkets crowded with people "panic-buying" supplies. Please get your supplies now if you do not have them... Water, Food, some cash, Gloves, anti-bacterial soap, N95 masks, hydrogen peroxide, disenfectant spray... the list goes on... hopefully this all blows over, but better safe than sorry

GreenSpirit | 04-26-2009 11:17 AM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu Aren't most pharmaceuticals derived originally from naturally-occurring botanical chemicals? But the mass of people still run to Big Pharma. :confused_m:

EE_ | 04-26-2009 11:25 AM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu All good information, but I'd like to add...while everyone is busy preparing for the blown out of proportion swine flu and watching Hillary the Hun tell the world Pakastan is going to blow up the world...don't lose your focus on the people that robbed this country like Goldman Sachs and their people in government that are covering this up. While you are out prepping for these diversions, keep getting the message out to all that will listen. Isn't that convenient! http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/10/church-lady.jpg

Tallships | 04-26-2009 11:29 AM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu Quote:
Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1694448) Same here. I can't even get a prep antibiotic script from the bitch.
Antibiotics are easily available without ps. Just go to your local farm and fleet. (veterinary)

ImaCannin | 04-26-2009 12:23 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallships (Post 1694873) Antibiotics are easily available without ps. Just go to your local farm and fleet. (veterinary)
So what brands would be good to get?

Osaka | 04-26-2009 12:39 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu Quote:
Originally Posted by rogold (Post 1694106) Post what you know.... http://www.the-health-gazette.com/he...ral-antivirals Alternative medications that are most likely to help us during a severe pandemic: Garlic (allicin) - Very effective antiviral. Best if fresh (raw) and crushed. Must be consumed within 1 hour of crushing. Dosage is initially 2 to 3 cloves per day but later reduce until no body odour occurs. No toxic effects noted. (Pubmed PMID 9049657) Vitamin C - Boosts the immune system and is an antiviral by blocking the enzyme neuraminadase. Viruses need neuraminadase to reproduce. There are anecdotal stories of people taking large amounts of Vitamin C (children �) surviving the Spanish Flu. Research shows that it may reduce the production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. A study on 470 people involved giving the test group 1000 mg hourly for 6 hours and then 1000 mg 3 times daily after reporting flu symptoms. Symptoms decreased by 85%. (Pubmed PMID 10543583, 634178, 16169205, 12876306) Green Tea (possible Tamiflu/Relenza alternative)- Very effective antiviral. Also decreases the production of the cytokine (catechins) TNF-a. Inhibits neuraminidase. May have antiviral activity that is equal to other antivirals such as Tamiflu. (Pubmed PMID 16137775) St Johns Wort (Hypericum) - Very effective antiviral. Also decreases the production of the cytokine IL-6. Hypericum is an extract from St John�s Wort. There have been some very successful field trials in commercial flocks infected with H5N1 in Vietnam. (Pubmed PMID 7857513, 11518071, 11362353, 7857513, 11518071) Vitamin E - Immune booster. Also decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. (Pubmed PMID 155882360, 10929076) Experiments involved using mice. Very suitable for immune compromised people, especially the elderly. Effects enhanced when taken with Vitamin C. Apple Juice - Antiviral. Fresh apple juice including the pulp and skin has greater antiviral activity than heated commercial apple juice. More research is needed. Effectiveness on H5N1 is unknown. (Pubmed PMID 32832, 12452634) Resveratrol - Antiviral. In addition to inhibiting neuraminidase, Resveratrol also sends a message to cells to stop manufacturing viruses. This is a proven antiviral found naturally in red wine, peanuts, mulberries, Japanese Knotwood root (richest source), raisins and red grapes. Resveratrol supplements are relatively inexpensive, are more stable than wine and is available in liquid form for absorption in the mouth. No toxic effects noted. (Pubmed PMID 1583880, 12817628, 15985724) Scuttellaria (Skullcap) - Antiviral. A herb used as a tea. It has no side effects and is also a mild tranquilliser. Research suggests neuraminidase, which is a substance needed by the H5N1 virus to reproduce, may be inhibited. Cranberry Juice - Early research shows that it may be an antiviral, making viruses less able to invade or multiply. Effectiveness on H5N1 is unknown. (Pubmed PMID15781126) Cat�s Claw (Uncaria tomentosa) - Decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. Also boosts immune system. The number of white blood cells was significantly increased during treatment. No toxicity was noted. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...arch&DB=pubmed) Active constituents can be found in the leaves, bark, vine, and roots. Water extraction from bark used. Children and pregnant women are to avoid. Has a potentially damaging effect on the DNA of proliferating cells. (cancers, foetuses, growing children) Curcumin (Tumeric Spice) - Decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. This is the yellow compound in turmeric spice. Research shows that this may be very good for preventing a cytokine storm although this is not proven. Must be taken with food or gastritis or peptic ulcers may occur. Pregnant women and feeding mothers should avoid this. The medicinal properties of curcurnin cannot be utilised when used alone due to rapid metabolism in the liver and intestinal wall. When combined with Piperine found in black pepper the absorption is increased with no adverse effects. Obtainable from health stores in tablets, liquid, capsules already combined with piperine. Dosage is 500mg to 4000mg daily. Astragalus root (Astragali Radix) - Boosts immune system. (Pubmed PMID15588652) Tea tree Steam Inhalation - Reduces the cytokine TNF-a. Add 2 drops of tea tree oil in a bowl of steaming water. Cover head with a towel and inhale for 5 to 10 minutes. Relieves congestion and fights infection. Its effectiveness is unknown. (Pubmed PMID 11131302) The following substances may be best to avoid during a H5N1 pandemic Elderberry juice (Sambucal) - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 virus. Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm. (Isr Med Journal2002 Nov;4:944-6) Micro Algae (Chlorella and Spirulina) - AVOID - Increases production of cytokine TNF-a. (Pubmed PMID 11731916) Honey - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID12824009) Chocolate - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID 12885154, PMID 10917928) Echinacea - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. Although it is often used for normal flu, research shows that it may increase the chance of cytokine storms for H5N1. (Pubmed PMID 15556647, 9568541) Kimchi - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID15630182) Dairy products & Bananas - AVOID - These foods increase mucous production.
The information copied here is for H5N1. Will it be effective against H1N1 which is what broke out in Mexico?

Tallships | 04-26-2009 12:39 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu Quote:
Originally Posted by ImaCannin (Post 1694918) So what brands would be good to get?
I do not endorse or recommend taking them, but they might be nice to have as a last resort in case TSHTF. penicillin and tetracycline from -----> http://www.pmac.net/AM/antibiotic_perils.html "You can walk into a Fleet Farm and buy them by the pound," said the agriculture and trade institute's Wallinga. In fact, a reporter was able - quite legally - to buy antibiotics such as penicillin and tetracycline as well as disposable sterile needles at a similar store in the Milwaukee area, Farm & Fleet, without any prescription. Research on the perils of widespread use of antibiotics in farm animals has been piling up since the late 1960s.

GreenSpirit | 04-26-2009 12:41 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu Quote:
Originally Posted by ImaCannin (Post 1694918) So what brands would be good to get?
PIGFLU-B-GONE

Old Herb Lady | 04-26-2009 01:32 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu Okay beautiful friends, let me just say my 2 cents, pleeeze................... A strong immune system is still a must !!!!!! PLEASE !!!!! Don't start smoking 5 packs o' smokes a day and drinking a fifth. We must keep ourselves informed in case this thing spreads. Hopefully it's not going to, but we have to be prepared just in case. WE NEED NATURAL AMMO TO KILL THE BUGGERS THAT ARE TRYING TO KILL US !!!! We have supplies of food, guns, ammo, PM's ......... now we just need to be armed with the correct information and proper supplies because if we are going to depend on vax and Tami we are in big trouble. The cytokines cause massive inflammation in the body and that is what causes death. If we are armed with very potent natural "anti-cytokine" herbs & oils then at least we have a chance. Please do your own DD and just be prepared like you are in all the other aspects of survival. Love, Old Herb Lady ************************************************** *** Excerpts from: "Bird Flu Redux", Date: 09/26/2005, By: Jon Barron The Reality about Vaccines * The vaccine may be promising, but it is unproven. And it is absolutely unproven for whatever final mutation the avian flu must go through before it readily transmits from human to human. * The antivirals Relenza and Tamiflu are theoretically useful, but so far, in real life application, neither have shown much benefit in helping those infected with avian flu. Also, even if ultimately proven effective, supplies will most likely be limited. * Don't count on having access to a reliable vaccine. First of all, no vaccine has proven effective at stopping even the current strain of avian flu, let alone the eventual mutation that truly threatens humans. Yes, it will be a related strain, but as experience has shown year after year with flu vaccines, in most cases, related is not close enough. If you don't have a vaccine for the actual strain that is causing the pandemic, the odds are not good that a "related" vaccine will help -- and no one can develop the proper vaccine until that final strain makes its appearance. So any vaccine now available (or currently under development) is a 50/50 "shot" at best. So, is a 50/50 bet worth taking? Not necessarily. For one: supplies are limited. ... * "A meta-analysis of vaccine trials and case-control studies among older people shows that vaccination seems to have a modest effect in reducing influenza-related complications, if little efficacy in preventing initial symptoms." According to the Washington Post, this was the most comprehensive study ever done on the topic, one done by the Cochrane Collaboration in Rome. The 40 year analysis concluded that vaccination is about 30 to 42% effective at preventing the flu (when they pick the right one!) * Another [study] done by the CDC [Center For Disease Control of the USA government], who analyzed 7,000 samples of flu virus around the world for genetic mutations, found that germs have developed resistance to a class of drugs known as adamantanes, which includes the widely used drugs amantadine and rimantadine. They found that rate of resistance increased from .4 percent of the sample in 1994 to 12.3 percent in 2004. In the U.S., it jumped from 1.9% in 2004 to 14.5% in the first six months of 2005. And Governments everywhere are developing plans to make it sound like they are in control and spending inordinate sums of your money buying up vast quantities of marginal vaccines and flu drugs in an attempt to convince you that they are wise, proactive, and worth keeping in office. The Bottom Line and Alternative Health Many alternative health companies are trying to tell you to boost your immune system to protect yourself. That's a questionable tactic with bird flu -- at least if not accompanied by the use of pathogen destroyers. Death from bird flu is most likely to come from a cytokine storm triggered by your own immune system, not from the flu itself. This is the same situation we saw in the great influenza pandemic of 1918/1919. The bottom line is yes you do want a strong immune system, but you also want a supply of nature's antiviral agents such as garlic, olive leaf extract, oil of oregano, and grapefruit seed extract on hand to rachet down the bird flu's attack on your body. If you can ratchet down the strength of the attack, then a strong immune system works in your favor-- finishing off the invading little buggers. But if you don't ratchet down the strength of the attack, then your immune system actually works against you -- potentially eating up your lungs. You are not defenseless, and you don't need to be unprepared. And you certainly don't want to pin all your hopes on governments and the drug companies to protect you. Stock up on your favorite immune boosters and pathogen destroyers Immune boosters o Echinacea (Despite the latest study) o Pau d�arco o Suma o Astragalus o Medicinal mushrooms o Beta glucans o Aloe vera o Alkygycerol o Lactoferrin o Bovine colostrums o Glutathione o Mangosteen Pathogen destroyers o Garlic o Olive leaf extract o Oil of wild mountain oregano o Grapefruit seed extract [The preceeding is excerpts from "Bird Flu Redux", Date: 09/26/2005, By: Jon Barron http://www.jonbarron.org/newsletters/05/9-26-2005.php ]

j-son | 04-26-2009 01:38 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu n95 masks http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/nav...cfkjdgoodflf.0 pricier n100 masks: http://www.starsafetytrading.com/1/1...edium=datafeed

j-son | 04-26-2009 01:49 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu Quote:
Originally Posted by rogold (Post 1694142) From DMAC00: From a birdflu preparedness site: USA Standards Efficiency * NIOSH N95 94% NIOSH N99 99% NIOSH N100 99.97% European Standards Efficiency * EN149:201 FFP1 80% EN149:201 FFP2 94% EN149:201 FFP3 99% * efficiency rating when tested with .3 micron and above particle sizes http://www.homedefensehq.com/selecting-bird-flu-masks/
# Definition: The National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) of the Centers for Disease Control certifies respirators. The number (95, 99, 100) refers to the particulate filtering efficiency level of the mask. So: # An N95 mask filters out 95% of the particles that attempt to flow through the mask. # An N99 mask filters out 99% of the particles that attempt to flow through the mask # and an N100 mask filters out 100% of the particles that attempt to enter the mask. Please note that influenza viruses themselves are 0.08- 0.12 micrometers in diameter, smaller than what an N95 filter is capable of filtering. However, influenza viruses are often carried in aerosols of respiratory secretions, emitted from sneezing for example, that are up to 10 micrometers in diameter, large enough to be filtered out by an N95 mask. just to add to it

Avalon | 04-26-2009 01:55 PM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu the only thing I can add to any of this is IV fluids. Dehydration is a big killer with any disease. IV fluids can make the difference between life and death. Everyone should have a supply of IV fluids, the needed catheters that go with them and one person in your close circle who knows how to put an IV catheter it place.

Heimdhal | 04-27-2009 12:07 AM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu I went to GNC tonight to pick up a few small things and started talking to the guy behind the counter. only he and I were in the store and he looked like he was the manager. We got to talking about the while swine flu thing and he said he was worried about all the college kids coming back from spring break. After talking for a bit, I Said "yeah, better start preparing" jokingly. He looked at me dead in the eye and was like "No kidding, I just had a lady yesterday in here who worked at the Health Departmen, loading up on certain things." I dunno, that just kinda got to me a bit; so I just thought I'd share.

AgAuGal | 04-27-2009 12:19 AM
Re: Surviving the Swine Flu did he tell you what she loaded up on? Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 1695762) I went to GNC tonight to pick up a few small things and started talking to the guy behind the counter. only he and I were in the store and he looked like he was the manager. We got to talking about the while swine flu thing and he said he was worried about all the college kids coming back from spring break. After talking for a bit, I Said "yeah, better start preparing" jokingly. He looked at me dead in the eye and was like "No kidding, I just had a lady yesterday in here who worked at the Health Departmen, loading up on certain things." I dunno, that just kinda got to me a bit; so I just thought I'd share.

Heimdhal | 04-27-2009 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by AgAuGal (Post 1695775) did he tell you what she loaded up on?
Pretty much the same stuff listed above. It was at the end of the conversation, but I was talking about getting like saint johns wart and some other things listed above; he basicaly said "yeah, thats pretty much what she had."

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Unclad Lad | 05-05-2009 12:04 PM
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The cytokines cause massive inflammation in the body and that is what causes death. If we are armed with very potent natural "anti-cytokine" herbs & oils then at least we have a chance.
If inflammation is the problem, then an NSAID, taken every day, should mitigate that.

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