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obtuce duce | 05-04-2006 10:29 PM
bug out from hell, need advise Hello all, OD

Curtman | 05-04-2006 10:37 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Sounds like you have yourself covered pretty good. What about your wife and kids, have you got them trained to handle mayhem in your absence? Do they have a plan and an alternate? Welcome to the board by the way.

Nuggethunter | 05-04-2006 10:42 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Thats a good question. I want to address just 1 side of it. That is ; how to get home to your family if you lost your rig. ie. roads down, stolen rig, . The best way is to go to a small airport and find a pilot and tell him youll give him 2000$ to fly you 500 miles. Its a 4 hour flight, Do it early before the shit gets to bad and people wake up. Ya gotta be ahead of the curve in every aspect of TSHF. so carry no less than $2000 at all times. and a glock! your covered. This is just one spice to the salad of survival. Theres gonna be a lotta renegades out there able and willing to live hard, You have no worries. Just watch your background. GL CONNER

Ardent Listener | 05-04-2006 10:44 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Quote:
Originally Posted by obtuce duce Hello all, Been reading posts here for a while now and I would like some opinions. Here is the deal, I drive, a lot, all over the south east. It is not unusual for me to be 6 or 7 hundred miles from home at any given time. I have modest provisions at home, and plan to stay at home when SHTF. But I probably will not be at home when it does. Have a wife. So I will be one of the poor schmucks trying to travel, the last thing I would want to be doing. One guy rides with me sometimes, but he is a total sheep, nothing will ever happen in our lifetime, type of person. He can use a gun, I don�t know if he would though. Ok, I want to prepare my vehicle for a long bug-out home trip. In the next month or two I plan to trade trucks, I'm going to a diesel pick up truck and extra tank to provide approx. 75 gal of fuel total. I expect this will give me a 1200+ mile range at highway speeds, but in stop and go, or slow moving traffic, who knows. I cannot plan a rout because I don't know where I will be, it may be a large city, or out in the boonies. My job makes it so that I will be one of the last to know, people will be running wild before I hear anything. I saw this in Louisville KY on 9/11. The towers fell (both) 4 hours before I knew anything. In my current truck I only have about a 275 mile range between refuels, (12 MPG at highway speeds). I live in hotels/motels. I am in one now, 650 miles from home. In my vehicle I currently carry: Glock and a few full mags Bottled water Toilet paper Road atlas Two weeks worth of clothes, one bag of cold weather clothes (seasonal) All necessary toiletries Extra oil, coolant, tow strap, jump cables ect. Two good size tool boxes, mechanics tools for work Laptop CB Cell phone Golf balls/drivers, fishing pole, some tackle Plan to add: AK and few full mags small electric pump w/ hoses First aid kit 550 cord, zip ties, bungee, ect. GPS Couple 5 gal fuel cans That's all I can think of right now. Don't really carry much real food, don't stay good in the truck. Usually have food in hotel room though. I guess my plan would be -live out of the truck- on the way, all the way home... Actually, I don't really have a plan, I need one. My fear is that trying to drive 700 miles home might be about as easy as driving to the moon. It could take days, maybe weeks. I would hate to do so, but I would, if necessary, take what I needed from anyone unfortunate enough to have it. If I am on the roads for that amount of time I expect I may have to take lives to make progress. I realize that a lot of folks out there will have the same, intense motivation as me, and some might have to be dealt with. Don't get me wrong, I always try to avoid conflict first. It's just that I have been on the road a long time, and have seen a lot. Please forgive the unorganized nature of this post. Well, I need some suggestions, ideas, what would you want to have with you on this hell trip. Where would I find fuel? Should I carry the fixins for bio diesel, so maybe I could make some fuel after pumping out the deep frier at some abandoned restaurant? Chain saw maybe? Tarps Tent Sleeping bag As I said earlier, I have always planned to stay put (at home). It was only last year that it dawned on me that if I am not there when it happens, I may never see home again. Oh, a career change is not an option. Job pays well and I have much debt that I am trying to pay off. Going to bed, got to get up in 4 hours then work 12. Thanks for reading all this. OD
God bless you and yours. I recall during the Cuban missile crisis my father stocking our family up and and having to ship out. I grew up a lot that day.

Indy | 05-04-2006 10:46 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise If war breaks out with Iran, time to go home.

Book | 05-04-2006 10:53 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Quote:
My fear is that trying to drive 700 miles home might be about as easy as driving to the moon. It could take days, maybe weeks. I would hate to do so, but I would, if necessary, take what I needed from anyone unfortunate enough to have it. If I am on the roads for that amount of time I expect I may have to take lives to make progress. I realize that a lot of folks out there will have the same, intense motivation as me, and some might have to be dealt with.
Yikes. Imagine if someone like you meets up with your long-distance wife. :bawling:

SilverNuts@Bolts | 05-04-2006 10:56 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise I see a few problems myself. For one, beeing informed, is everything. Find a way, to be on top of things. Satelite radio, maybe? Roads. Expect them, to be closed, patroled perhaps, by the National Guard. You won't be able, to drive back home. Flying, could be an option, but first you have to be informed, before taking action. So, it goes back, to the top.. Welcome aboard, I'm sure, others will have othe idea's :clap2:

Prometheus | 05-04-2006 11:13 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise throw in a pair of bolt cutters. Nothing worse to see a clear side road next to you on the interstate and not be able to reach it because of the fence. Come SHTF and you haven't moved in 6 hours, cutting the fence is likely to get you a cheer from the sheeple, not a 9-1-1 call. If done stealthfully (cutting while your truck blocks the view, they won't know till you disappear thru it.... too late then.

Ponce Cuba | 05-04-2006 11:16 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Welcome to GIM Duce, now then.......the only real problem that I see in your plan is getting home, so........ no matter where you are always have at least two different routes to get home other than the "super" highway... look for rural routes, you do have a truck to that the bad roads should be no problem.

electric-amish | 05-04-2006 11:26 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Two problems really. 1st your truck and you. Only real weakness is food for two weeks. Get a water purifier and freeze dried meals. Nugget hunter is a genious with the small Air Port Idea. 2nd The Homefront. Need supplies and a rally point. Need a place where you can drive to meet the family away from congested or restricted area. Relitives house would be good in a nearby city. The Plane into an area and out is a great idead maybe a good use for some gold coins. Maybe wife could get a pilots license and fly to you.

Tn...Andy | 05-04-2006 11:46 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Whenever we travel more than a short distance from home, the "bug back" bags go with us, plus an AR-15 and couple hundred rounds. Biggest holes I see in your current plan are: Lack of fuel.....going to the diesel truck and extended tanks should solve that. Lack of food.....you say it goes bad.....but a case of MREs or some homemade variety thereof, would go a LONG way toward getting you back home. Insufficient armament.....definitely add an AR or AK...and couple hundred rounds. Some kind of water filtration.....Kyden backpacker filter or something like that Chainsaw would be real handy IF you have the room.....but then I'm sorta prejudiced along that line.....ahahahaha A backpack in case you have to abandon the vehicle and strike out on foot. A good road atlas or CD that shows lots of small and back roads..... Sounds like you can carry about anything within reason, so remember the 11th commandment of the Mechanized Infantry "Thou shall not travel light".

mayhem | 05-04-2006 11:47 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Duce ya got it covered pretty much. I just came back from being 4 weeks on the road myself. Had mostly everything that you mentioned. I carry a CO2 fire extinguisher (pretty big one) to make dry ice in the cooler if needed. (it will also put out fires). All i'd add would many more bullets, I carry two ammo cans, one .308 and one .45 and at least ten mags loaded. My question is what are your plans for your companion? Dumping him at first notice and going it alone? That is something to consider. I'm confident in my abilities, but sure as hell wouldn't want a greenhorn as luggage.. m

WAoG | 05-05-2006 12:10 AM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Quote:
Originally Posted by obtuce duce Hello all, Been reading posts here for a while now and I would like some opinions. Here is the deal, I drive, a lot, all over the south east. It is not unusual for me to be 6 or 7 hundred miles from home at any given time. I have modest provisions at home, and plan to stay at home when SHTF. But I probably will not be at home when it does. Have a wife. So I will be one of the poor schmucks trying to travel, the last thing I would want to be doing. One guy rides with me sometimes, but he is a total sheep, nothing will ever happen in our lifetime, type of person. He can use a gun, I don�t know if he would though. Ok, I want to prepare my vehicle for a long bug-out home trip. In the next month or two I plan to trade trucks, I'm going to a diesel pick up truck and extra tank to provide approx. 75 gal of fuel total. I expect this will give me a 1200+ mile range at highway speeds, but in stop and go, or slow moving traffic, who knows. I cannot plan a rout because I don't know where I will be, it may be a large city, or out in the boonies. My job makes it so that I will be one of the last to know, people will be running wild before I hear anything. I saw this in Louisville KY on 9/11. The towers fell (both) 4 hours before I knew anything. In my current truck I only have about a 275 mile range between refuels, (12 MPG at highway speeds). I live in hotels/motels. I am in one now, 650 miles from home. In my vehicle I currently carry: Glock and a few full mags Bottled water Toilet paper Road atlas Two weeks worth of clothes, one bag of cold weather clothes (seasonal) All necessary toiletries Extra oil, coolant, tow strap, jump cables ect. Two good size tool boxes, mechanics tools for work Laptop CB Cell phone Golf balls/drivers, fishing pole, some tackle Plan to add: AK and few full mags small electric pump w/ hoses First aid kit 550 cord, zip ties, bungee, ect. GPS Couple 5 gal fuel cans That's all I can think of right now. Don't really carry much real food, don't stay good in the truck. Usually have food in hotel room though. I guess my plan would be -live out of the truck- on the way, all the way home... Actually, I don't really have a plan, I need one. My fear is that trying to drive 700 miles home might be about as easy as driving to the moon. It could take days, maybe weeks. I would hate to do so, but I would, if necessary, take what I needed from anyone unfortunate enough to have it. If I am on the roads for that amount of time I expect I may have to take lives to make progress. I realize that a lot of folks out there will have the same, intense motivation as me, and some might have to be dealt with. Don't get me wrong, I always try to avoid conflict first. It's just that I have been on the road a long time, and have seen a lot. Please forgive the unorganized nature of this post. Well, I need some suggestions, ideas, what would you want to have with you on this hell trip. Where would I find fuel? Should I carry the fixins for bio diesel, so maybe I could make some fuel after pumping out the deep frier at some abandoned restaurant? Chain saw maybe? Tarps Tent Sleeping bag As I said earlier, I have always planned to stay put (at home). It was only last year that it dawned on me that if I am not there when it happens, I may never see home again. Oh, a career change is not an option. Job pays well and I have much debt that I am trying to pay off. Going to bed, got to get up in 4 hours then work 12. Thanks for reading all this. OD
Maybe if you think you might have to murder people to get home you should look for a new job close to home or were you can work at home. If you won't or can't do that now the airplane thing could work maybe even learn to fly yourself it would be better you steal an airplane than murder people. If you know all the states you travel in get the Delorme state atlas and Gazetteer for each state. I only have one for my state but is shows most ALL back roads. All as far as I know airports even the real small ones. There are airports all over the place you could be with in a few miles of one all most all the time and not even know it. I know of one that is next to a friends farm, its got a couple of planes there and they take off out of a field it was listed in the atlas I just checked. So if these guys would not take you they probably could get on a radio and find someone that would for the right price. Welcome aboard.

kimber1963 | 05-05-2006 12:22 AM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise I am glad I don't have obtuce duce's problem! Be that as it may; however, it looks like he has almost every possible problem prepared for. Except one. What happens if, should/when TSHTF starts, TPTB ground all air traffic nationwide and put up military planes to enforce that curfew, a la 9/11/2001? Just a thought...

GoldRocks | 05-05-2006 12:34 AM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise I would recommend buying a GPS device. I use one for my job occasionally. Once you learn how it works, program your home into it by adding that location as a waypoint. Then you can then select home as a waypoint choice no matter where you are, then click on navigate, and let the machine do the rest. Some of the high end ones even update automatically and adjust for current road conditions. Very cool stuff out there. We just use the computer based updating type, not the high end ones. Of course it won't do much if "they" shutdown or restrict satellite access. But I can't help you there. lol

BeefJerky | 05-05-2006 01:04 AM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise I think his armament will allow for his procurement. Lighten your load. Save on gas. The problem becomes. How many others are armed and ready to procure for their needs in your vicinity? And do you show them you have what they need? Also, are you displaying your deterrence?

ladagerick | 05-05-2006 01:19 AM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Quote:
Originally Posted by mayhem I carry a CO2 fire extinguisher (pretty big one) to make dry ice in the cooler if needed. (it will also put out fires). m
How does that work? seems like it could come in handy.

Apatriot | 05-05-2006 01:48 AM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Quote:
Originally Posted by obtuce duce Hello all, Been reading posts here for a while now and I would like some opinions. Here is the deal, I drive, a lot, all over the south east. It is not unusual for me to be 6 or 7 hundred miles from home at any given time. I have modest provisions at home, and plan to stay at home when SHTF. But I probably will not be at home when it does. Have a wife. So I will be one of the poor schmucks trying to travel, the last thing I would want to be doing. One guy rides with me sometimes, but he is a total sheep, nothing will ever happen in our lifetime, type of person. He can use a gun, I don�t know if he would though. Ok, I want to prepare my vehicle for a long bug-out home trip. In the next month or two I plan to trade trucks, I'm going to a diesel pick up truck and extra tank to provide approx. 75 gal of fuel total. I expect this will give me a 1200+ mile range at highway speeds, but in stop and go, or slow moving traffic, who knows. I cannot plan a rout because I don't know where I will be, it may be a large city, or out in the boonies. My job makes it so that I will be one of the last to know, people will be running wild before I hear anything. I saw this in Louisville KY on 9/11. The towers fell (both) 4 hours before I knew anything. In my current truck I only have about a 275 mile range between refuels, (12 MPG at highway speeds). I live in hotels/motels. I am in one now, 650 miles from home. In my vehicle I currently carry: Glock and a few full mags Bottled water Toilet paper Road atlas Two weeks worth of clothes, one bag of cold weather clothes (seasonal) All necessary toiletries Extra oil, coolant, tow strap, jump cables ect. Two good size tool boxes, mechanics tools for work Laptop CB Cell phone Golf balls/drivers, fishing pole, some tackle Plan to add: AK and few full mags small electric pump w/ hoses First aid kit 550 cord, zip ties, bungee, ect. GPS Couple 5 gal fuel cans That's all I can think of right now. Don't really carry much real food, don't stay good in the truck. Usually have food in hotel room though. I guess my plan would be -live out of the truck- on the way, all the way home... Actually, I don't really have a plan, I need one. My fear is that trying to drive 700 miles home might be about as easy as driving to the moon. It could take days, maybe weeks. I would hate to do so, but I would, if necessary, take what I needed from anyone unfortunate enough to have it. If I am on the roads for that amount of time I expect I may have to take lives to make progress. I realize that a lot of folks out there will have the same, intense motivation as me, and some might have to be dealt with. Don't get me wrong, I always try to avoid conflict first. It's just that I have been on the road a long time, and have seen a lot. Please forgive the unorganized nature of this post. Well, I need some suggestions, ideas, what would you want to have with you on this hell trip. Where would I find fuel? Should I carry the fixins for bio diesel, so maybe I could make some fuel after pumping out the deep frier at some abandoned restaurant? Chain saw maybe? Tarps Tent Sleeping bag As I said earlier, I have always planned to stay put (at home). It was only last year that it dawned on me that if I am not there when it happens, I may never see home again. Oh, a career change is not an option. Job pays well and I have much debt that I am trying to pay off. Going to bed, got to get up in 4 hours then work 12. Thanks for reading all this. OD
Obtuse Duce,you pretty much have all the bases covered with what you have already and the good suggestions already listed. I would add a couple more things. 1-Some body armor,you have prepared so well,it would be a shame for some low life who did not prepare,to get the draw on you and shoot you with his .22 and take all your stuff.if you are as prepared as you are you will see the need for an armor vest. 2-Since your work takes you out of town,even though you plan on making it home,have you thought about a mutual meeting point somewhere in between where your next job takes you and your home,in the event things go bad enough at home while you are away? I would think you should plan for this contingency also.

mayhem | 05-05-2006 08:31 AM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Quote:
Originally Posted by ladagerick How does that work? seems like it could come in handy.
While it's not the most efficent method it will work. Quote:
To make dry ice, you start with a high-pressure container full of liquid carbon dioxide. When you release the liquid carbon dioxide from the tank, the expansion of the liquid and the high-speed evaporation of carbon dioxide gas cools the remainder of the liquid down to the freezing point, where it turns directly into a solid. If you have ever seen a carbon-dioxide fire extinguisher in action, you have seen this carbon-dioxide snow form in the nozzle. You compress the carbon-dioxide snow to create a block of dry ice.
I have cut a round hole the size of the nozzle in a styrofoam cooler and emptied the extinguisher into the cooler. Then throw the newly created block into a regulator cooler. m

GOLD DUCK | 05-05-2006 10:06 AM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise QWAK,I spent 18 Mo.preparing to go to Nam in 71,I was as prepared as I could posably be in every way I could think of for what could posably happen. The first weak or so every time there was an alert I was headed for the nearist bunker and to the others who had more time in country looking some what foolish and green. First off you can't live all ON EDGE and HIPER very long it will ware you down and you will be DULL and unable to preform IF and when somthing actualy DOES happen. Second, WHEN somthing actualy DOES happen the odds are it will be out side of the previously percieved expectations and MOST of the gear and preperations will prove to be of little or no use to you. Also luging all that gear around and keeping it in a state of readyness at all times is expencive on many levels and distracts from your actualy LIVING your life. After the first Mo. or so in country I developed a more relaxed perception and awairness and the ability to shift from a more casual layed back state to an almost instent RAZOR EDGE highly sencitive alert state and then back agen after the percieved potental danger had passed. Keeping a "COOL TOOL" (MIND) so that you DON'T over react or feel OVERWELMED is #1 on the list of what WILL actualy help in any emergengy! The fact that you have prepared and have concidered as many posable events and how to deal with them will be what helps you the most and the majority of the STUFF you have been luging around will never be used, that is a FACT! Third when things DO happen, some how it is NEVER the way you think or have prepared for them to happen, it is virtualy always some off the wall, out of the blue thing no one ever concidered. It is your MIND and the ability to THINK CLEARLY and evaluate the situation then take APROPRIATE ACTION and use what is around you to the best advantage that will help you survive! When somthing DOES happen and you have your mind under control it will likely SEEM that IT is happening is SLOW MOTION,you will react smoothly with out hesitation almost with out thinking or second guessing your choices. If you can getyour mind around that and be comfortable with that as an expectation it will do more to help you deal with any and all emergency situations big and small! Having lots of STUFF and knowing how to properly use it is nice and it does tend to have a calming effect but the odds are that most of it will never be used or actualy needed. IF you are mentaly prepared and awair then you can reasonably expect that you will react with COURAGE and not out of exagerated FEAR,you will make fiew mistakes and correct any you do make quickly to achieve what ever objective you have selected in your mental list of imediate requirements to both survive and ultimitly achieve the goal you have selected. OVER THINKING and trying to cover every posable contingency can both DRIVE you CRAZY and detract from living and injoying your life not to mention the lives of the people around you. KEEP a "COOL TOOL", that SHARP EDGE is the best defence and resource in any situation! I hope this helps at least a little. the DUCK

J.D.Rockinfeller | 05-05-2006 10:18 AM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise You got some good advise here,O-D (btw welcome aboard).. the only thing I would add is: LEAVE THE GLOCK WITH YOUR WIFE.:D

TheSimpleton | 05-05-2006 10:59 AM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Wow Duck. Well said. Qvack! You're already nicely prepared, I'd say. Agree gold coins are small and won't lose value while they're waiting for an airplane. Satillite radio but they have talkie-size Bearcat scanners that include CB and some others, like TV. It would be nice to hear both CB and police chatter, even everyday in the truck. Since you'll probably just drive home without incident, better to focus on goods that are day-use as well. To make a mix of the diesel already in the tank, you can simply filter Waste Veg through a shirt and use. I wouldn't count on it though since so many have caught onto WVO this year. Like the Mtn bike idea, but would you abandon the truck? Crikey. And if the truck is stolen, bike is too. Where do you store $2k in cash? But then, if you had that you could buy most (foriegn) cycles in the country and ride home at 70mpg, or split lanes on your frozen parkway. Make friends with the diner/rest stops or churches on your ways. They're good blokes who if you make it to one of those mid-cities in any condition will know you and can help you out. Focus on knowledge and ideas. Could you just walk the 700 miles with your jacket pockets? If you can do that, then making it any better way is gravy. I wouldn't worry. Anything approaching the size of dislocation you're thinking of would have large advanced warning. TS

ladagerick | 05-05-2006 01:28 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Quote:
Originally Posted by mayhem While it's not the most efficent method it will work. I have cut a round hole the size of the nozzle in a styrofoam cooler and emptied the extinguisher into the cooler. Then throw the newly created block into a regulator cooler. m
Thanks I'll add this one to my interesting info files!

chewy | 05-05-2006 01:45 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Hi Duce, A lot of great suggestions on this thread. I would suggest to prepare for ending up on foot. Hopefully you won't but if you get separated from your truck you need to be ready for that. So, an Alice pack maybe, or some other type of backpack that you prefer. A camel back for water. I think the roads would at some point be unpassable or too dangerous. Hopefully not too far from home. The rally point is a great idea. My2c. welcome to GIM.

Alric | 05-05-2006 02:07 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Since you said your always the last one to find things out, you should just have your wife call you. I am sure you have a cell phone. Theres no reason your wife can't call you in case of an emegerency.

Argentsum | 05-05-2006 02:26 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Consider this as an absolute minimum, a core to which you can add to depending on your geography, season, and social environment. Notice there is no medical, firearms, or other goodies. This is a bedrock base minimum assuming you are in decent health and wearing street clothes. Weight and simplicity being paramount. Survival Food Tabs, 180 Tabs ea., 2 containers Flashlight, shake, self-powered Leatherman multi-tool Lighter Filter, Water Blankets, Army Wool 2 Poncho, waterproof rip-stop nylon Socks, athletic, 2 pair Backpack, small, no frame Hat, type based on season. Total weight 15 lbs (aprox) The containers the survival tabs come in include plastic bags. The containers themselves can be used to hold water as canteens. The Army wool blankets can be made into ponchos and used as layers of warm clothing. Nylon Poncho can be used as a tarp or as ground bedding to help stay dry when sleeping. A container of survival tabs is a "supplement" to food you can find along the way. In an emergency, you could subsist on them but you'll lose weight in a hurry. Single point of failure is significant with this setup, but you could travel far in two weeks...even on foot. Perhaps most important of all, this setup does not require a lot of maintenance.

obtuce duce | 05-06-2006 11:42 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Wow, much more than I expected, many good ideas, thanks everyone! OD

REV127 | 05-07-2006 12:00 AM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise First, forget about taking what you need from others and killing to get what you don't have. Sooner or later, before you make your 700mi, you will run into someone like me. You won't survive. You also won't be able to tell this person from anybody else from a distance. This is deliberate. Second, forget about traveling on foot. The ammount of supplies and time it would take is just ridiculous. Drive your truck as far as your truck will go, then when it runs out of fuel or reaches and impass transition to a sub-vehicle. I reccomend a Go-Ped. They get 200 miles per gallon and will do 20mph on the sidewalk or hard dirt. They also weigh under 30lbs and fold up very tiny. The advantage here is that 3.5 gallons of gasoline will get you home, and you didn't need to eat a lot of food to get there because the engine was doing all the work, not you. This also means you weren't as burdened by your other gear. If you have the skill, rig a muffler for it to cut noise. If it is an evacuation situation the road will be impassable to conventional vehicles. Any vehicle beats walking by a longshot. As far as your cellphone goes, I have similar trouble. I buy the one piece designs, a flip phone wouldn't last a day with me. I work inside a hardened building, can't get cell reception in there and the antena will drain all the power trying to get a signal. I just turn it off and step outside periodically to check my voicemail.

GOLD DUCK | 05-07-2006 12:43 AM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise QWAK,It would likely be a good idea to actualy pratice using all your survival gear now and then to both get familure with it and learn what it realy can and can NOT do. It realy SUCKS to lug somthing around and then when you ACTUALY need it to find out some cheep plastic part broke and it is virtualy usless OR that YOU can't get it do do what you thought it would.:rant: Perhaps at home some saturday try turning off the power and for 24 hours TRY to live using your equipment, it will likely be a great learning experience!:eek: Some how plans seldom work out AS planed. LOL Still it is good to have a plan and contingencies too because when stuff happens your mind will be less distracted and you can better focus on and evaluate situations. Minimising the STUNED and OVERWELMED first phase of any emergency puts you in a much better position to make fast and apropriate choices rather than mistakes which tend to be cumulitive. The DUCK

Ponce Cuba | 05-07-2006 02:37 AM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Hey Ducky? find out where you want to go and start taking your stuff there now.......if there is a small town nearby you can rent a small "rent a space" and place your stuff there. Find out when they are open and what kind of security they have, if you do it then get hold of a small 12 v battery and set up an alarm inside. Like I said before, you should buy a small trailer 4X8 and have ready to go with your non perishable items like tent, sleeping bags, ax ,lanterns, soap, toilet paper and so on ......when the time comes all that you need to load will be food, gas and so on .

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SilverbackAg | 05-07-2006 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by GOLD DUCK QWAK Keeping a "COOL TOOL" (MIND) so that you DON'T over react or feel OVERWELMED is #1 on the list of what WILL actualy help in any emergengy! ....... It is your MIND and the ability to THINK CLEARLY and evaluate the situation then take APROPRIATE ACTION and use what is around you to the best advantage that will help you survive! When somthing DOES happen and you have your mind under control it will likely SEEM that IT is happening is SLOW MOTION,you will react smoothly with out hesitation almost with out thinking or second guessing your choices. If you can getyour mind around that and be comfortable with that as an expectation it will do more to help you deal with any and all emergency situations big and small! the DUCK
To add to what the DUCK said (great post BTW), during any combat and other emergency situations that I've been in, the slow motion effect is not the only effect that may occur. The landscape goes surreal and my mind kind of detaches from my body and I watch myself performing actions in a deliberate manner. I make decisions and communicate these decisions and take action myself but it is immensely slowed down and is viewed as would be by a third party. Sorta similiar to the beginning of Saving Private Ryan. I have also seen a limited number of people take a completely different approach and freak out. I would recommend making a list of "battle drills" and practicing them. A battle drill would be a likely scenerio and they don't have to cover every contingency. This may include reacting to a roadblock/ambush emplaced by brigands, conducting evasive manuevering with vehicle drill, roll over and exiting crashed vehicle drill, etc. These "battle drills" should become a reflex with no thought process needed. Of course target practice and reflex shooting should definitely not be overlooked. At least your home is in a really neat and close knit part of the country. I fell in love with Western Va (not WV) and Western North Carolina, but alas the real estate is too pricey for my blood. If I could live one place in the US on decent acreage without price being a factor, that would probably be Galax, VA.

gunner | 05-07-2006 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by REV127 First, forget about taking what you need from others and killing to get what you don't have. Sooner or later, before you make your 700mi, you will run into someone like me. You won't survive. You also won't be able to tell this person from anybody else from a distance. This is deliberate.
Was thinking the same exact thing !! OD - Know your enemy, and don't make more than you can handle. We all just want to survive, and killing and stealing from those that are just trying to live will not get you far, either in this life or the next. Welcome aboard :wavey:

messianicdruid | 05-07-2006 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Ponce Cuba ...no matter where you are always have at least two different routes to get home other than the "super" highway... look for rural routes, you do have a truck to that the bad roads should be no problem.
I've always wondered about traveling on gravel roads only. IOW the only time you touch asphalt is to cross it. It would involve a lot of preplanning or up to date detailed maps. I have thought of a book like the fellow that "Walked Across America" except driving either a wagon or a pickup and staying on dirt roads for the whole trip.

Ponce Cuba | 05-07-2006 12:17 PM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Don't wait for tomorrow if you can do it today.....why?...."When you are ready you are not"...Ponce

thorgrim | 05-10-2006 05:26 AM
Re: bug out from hell, need advise Don't bother with bio diesel. If you are getting a diesel truck I would recommend getting a SVO conversion kit they are about a grand. They come with an extra tank that can be filled with veg oil but also regular diesel. That will take care of the extra tank at the same time. Also some kits have built in filters or you can get an oil pump with a built in filter. That way all you have to do is pull up close to grease bin and pump. This set up will save you money too. I am planning on getting one soon. www.greasel.com/Products.html

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