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Poo Poo Kitty Muffin | 10-12-2006 05:58 PM
Only the US will use food to control the population Yeah right!! I have read through the "If all you care about is storing up PMs, thinking you can "buy" your way when TSHTF.." thread and listened to the talk given in the link TWICE. I have also repeatedly tried to take the bold font off, but it's simply not having it before you ask. For some reason, people over here seem to think theres no need to take measures to stock up. I have done a bit of searching recently and can not find any real survivalist sites here in the UK. I mean PROPER survivalist stores, not some 72 hour terrorist/emergency packs. I know this is down to culture but still! We have nothing. Anyone from the UK want to comment? If any of us outside of the US believe for a minute that the food card won't be played we need to think again. Looks like I'll have to reserach my own preserving/storage techniques. Can anyone recommend any books on this subject please? Thankyou.

keehah | 10-12-2006 06:10 PM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population Noticed the same north of the 49th. However I can import such foods as Mountain House from the US as long as it comes from a secondary supplier (manufacturer cannot send to me because he needs the 'Canadian' labels). I know from the odd eBay purchase from the UK that this will not work for you as shipping over the Atlantic is big $$ no mater how slow you make it. I did find a good local specialty store (just 1 in a city of 2 million) that specializes in buying bulk and repackaging dried goods such as sprouting seeds, beans, whole milk, many types of dried vegetables, tomato powder, barley groats, etc. I buy these and seal them in large Mylar bags with oxygen absorbers. Rice and beans etc. can be preserved the same way but bought cheaper at your big-box supermarket. Lots of previous threads here with internet links for much of the general information you could need. To buy the Mylar and Oxygen absorbers: I had to go to a local company that makes those 72 hour emergency packs and talk them into selling me these two items that they use for thier packs preservation, but do not normally sell separately.

Tn...Andy | 10-12-2006 07:41 PM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population Your 'survivalist' store is as near as the grocer you use now. MOST of what you should store is simply what you eat now.....buy extra canned and bottled goods each shopping trip until you have a years supply for your household.....then rotate, using the oldest in preparation of regular, everyday meals. Once you have done that, then start looking at more long term foods, such as dried and dehydrated bulk foods..... But you can get 90% of what you need locally.

gunner | 10-12-2006 07:55 PM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 385698) Your 'survivalist' store is as near as the grocer you use now. MOST of what you should store is simply what you eat now.....buy extra canned and bottled goods each shopping trip until you have a years supply for your household.....then rotate, using the oldest in preparation of regular, everyday meals. Once you have done that, then start looking at more long term foods, such as dried and dehydrated bulk foods..... But you can get 90% of what you need locally.
That's exactly what I did as well. I will use rice as a base for most of my meals if TSHTF. One can of soup, along with rice can make for a pretty good meal. Add in a can of chicken or make a tuna caserole and you can eat well for not a lot of money. I also bought the 25 case deal on the mountain house food. Given the situation at the time, this can be phased in accordingly to suppliment without screwing up the digestive tract. Rice Beans Pasta Stores for a very long time, innexpensive and nutritious Haven't started accumulating the seeds and sprouts yet, but it's in the works.

Halophyte | 10-12-2006 08:41 PM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population Rice Beans Pasta and - oats, sugar, coffee, powdered choco, dried tomatoes, dried non fat milk, honey, dried fruits, nuts, canned vegies, canned fruits, dried soup starter, salt, pepper, red pepper, dried onions, dried mushrooms, koolaid mix, tea .... You can make your own hot chocolate by mixing dried milk, choco and sugar.

Waypoint-Trading | 10-12-2006 10:36 PM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population Kitty - I promise this will not be a religious post....... The Mormons (Church of the Latter Day Saints) are a religion based in Utah in the US. The Mormons follow strict codes of behavior and are conservative in nature. Their religion requires that each family have 1 year supply of food and fuel (ie heat) in reserve for times of need (or rapture, if you will). The Mormons are also stingy, so they have sites that have practical tips on stocking. Here is one: http://www.theideadoor.com/FoodStorage.html Hope this helps!

fasTTcar | 10-12-2006 10:52 PM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population Quote:
Originally Posted by Halophyte (Post 385746) Rice Beans Pasta and - oats, sugar, coffee, powdered choco, dried tomatoes, dried non fat milk, honey, dried fruits, nuts, canned vegies, canned fruits, dried soup starter, salt, pepper, red pepper, dried onions, dried mushrooms, koolaid mix, tea ....
Don't forget a LARGE supply or stored amount of clean water.

Veritas | 10-14-2006 01:32 AM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population Quote:
Originally Posted by Halophyte (Post 385746) Rice Beans Pasta and - oats, sugar, coffee, powdered choco, dried tomatoes, dried non fat milk, honey, dried fruits, nuts, canned vegies, canned fruits, dried soup starter, salt, pepper, red pepper, dried onions, dried mushrooms, koolaid mix, tea .... You can make your own hot chocolate by mixing dried milk, choco and sugar.
Mixing in a scoop of swiss miss with a cup of coffee makes for a nice cafe mocha!

Veritas | 10-14-2006 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by gunner (Post 385712) Haven't started accumulating the seeds and sprouts yet, but it's in the works.
For it's medicinal puposes - or to expand your imagination when writing that novel? :rofl:

Veritas | 10-14-2006 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by fasTTcar (Post 385847) Don't forget a LARGE supply or stored amount of clean water.
Yes but don't buy water that is stored in the milk carton material jugs. The material is toxic and breaks down in a relatively short amount of time - especially when exposed to sunlight.

Maddie | 10-14-2006 05:01 AM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population As others have said, you can do without all the fancy stuff. We used to do it back in the Cold War days, before the Internet allowed niche businesses to proliferate as they have. Most of the freeze-dried and dehydrated food in those days was just plain nasty and could be hard to come by. Stock up on regular cans and jars and dried goods from the grocery store. Walton Feed has some good info on how to store foods in buckets with oxygen absorbers http://waltonfeed.com/self/upack/index.html . You may want to see if you can talk a bakery or restaurant into giving you their food-grade storage buckets. You can also can your own food with a pressure canner. Don't forget water purification: http://doultonusa.com/HTML%20pages/boats.htm Don't know anything about this site, but if you scroll down it lists some European survival food sources. http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/HomeARC_ML_0854 . You can also round out your storage with freeze-dried meals from camping supply stores. Good luck!

Worldmariner | 10-14-2006 06:25 PM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population Quote:
Originally Posted by gunner (Post 385712) Rice Beans Pasta Stores for a very long time, innexpensive and nutritious in the works.
MEAT. PROTEIN. Veyr important, 'specially for young kids under 20. Maybe a dehydrator, even a small one, is a good purchase? Also, those bird traps made of netting. I would eat a pidgeon... or a squirrel... if I had to. SOY is NOT protein complete! Even the Vegans admit that now. Soy is ALMOST complete, and not a bad substitute for th ereal thing, the MEAT is important. Remember your eyes are on the FRONT of your head... stereo vision... You were designed (or evolved, your choice) to eat MEAT. MMmmmmmmeat!

RickW | 10-14-2006 06:56 PM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population Remember your eyes are on the FRONT of your head... stereo vision... You were designed (or evolved, your choice) to eat MEAT. That is great. I have to remember that for my vegan sister

Merlin | 10-14-2006 08:45 PM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population Quote:
Originally Posted by Poo Poo Kitty Muffin (Post 385591) Looks like I'll have to reserach my own preserving/storage techniques. Can anyone recommend any books on this subject please?
My boiling water canner is working on top of the kitchen stove right now. I'm canning 10 quarts of Tomato Garden Juice blend (tomatoes, carrots, celery, green pepper, onion, parsley, lemon juice). The recipe is in The Ball Blue Book of Preserving. See www.homecanning.com, which also discusses, freezing, dehydrating and pickling.

Veritas | 10-15-2006 01:44 AM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldmariner (Post 387181) Remember your eyes are on the FRONT of your head... stereo vision... You were designed (or evolved, your choice) to eat MEAT. MMmmmmmmeat!
Gee wiz...and here I was thinking we were designed that way to chase down those pesky tomato's! :confused:

GoldSniffer | 05-21-2007 05:49 PM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population I just ordered a emergency food survival book today Emergency Food Storage & Survival Handbook: Everything You Need to Know to Keep Your Family Safe in a Crisis. If you have storing problem with meat because freezers might not work in a crisis try getting Biltong(cured meat) Very salty but store it in an airtight container and it will keep forever. Biltong originated in South Africa because the need arose for storing meat for extended time periods after hunting game. and is quite popular as a snack and Afrikaaner ex pats are marketing this all over the world now. Afrikaaners especially the older generation know everything about food preservation and making due with scarce recources. <SPAP class=tiny>

ben shockley | 05-22-2007 11:59 AM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population There are a lot of ducks around my neighborhood parks. I wonder how long they would last in a food crisis.:black_bull_mini_lef

GOLD DUCK | 05-22-2007 12:18 PM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population Quote:
Originally Posted by ben shockley (Post 614973) There are a lot of ducks around my neighborhood parks. I wonder how long they would last in a food crisis.:black_bull_mini_lef
:questionm :dontknow: QWAK,I supose it would depend on the DUCK and IF he gets to his 12gage fast enough?:albertein :proud: :getdown: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R8pr...p%3Ft%3D135303 :hahaha: :haha: :haha: :haha: the DUCK

TheSimpleton | 05-22-2007 12:31 PM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population You're suggesting stockpiling water...in England??? We have had dozens, purpetual threads on food storage. There's a gradient that calls for Mtn House (which I feel would ruin your health, and many cannot eat for MSG) to the canned-goods people, but increasingly the self-suffiency/farming and even the edible wild plants people. I'd try one of each and see which one suits best. For me, even at 2lb of food a day, you'd need room for 720lb food/yr. Pint's a pound mate, so that's 100gallons, roughly. At 5gal buckets, that's 25 buckets, 10 wide, 2 high, or a wall 15' x 4' high. At $4US/lb average, that's $2880. That's a lot of food, a lot of dinero, for 1 1/2 person for one year. And you can't move it to your new apartment or down by the river. This is why leading to sustainability is crucial. Our natives, your Picts, what did they carry? A robe, a knife, a pot? So what did they eat? The Roman rebels, the Pre-columbites? Or to make it easier, what did they eat in the Depression, in the war, in the French Revolution? What did they do in "to h--- or Connaught? They ate a variety of pottage out of the hedgerows, things now forgotten, barberry, rabbits, cleavers, plantain. But the old backward farmers know, if there's any left. The Rev here has many posts on his farm, but what's as productive is square-foot gardening, or the intensive, 4-season farming they practice in Holland and Belgium. A backyard would suffice, with espalier trees, to carrry a great deal of that food load, at a lower cost and better security. Can the redcoats steal your espalier? Can they steal your soil? Maybe, but those assets are better for them to have YOU grow on instead, in hopes they can get it from you later. If that's not workable, follow my favorite folly: plant food trees and vines throughout your prospective area on the sly, in back lots, railyards, and parks. No one will be the wiser but yourself. And a single full-size apple can produce many bushels in 15 years. Start with doubling up on what you already buy, and buy some books on growing and edible plants. Then think long and hard what you expect to happen and who exactly you think will prevent your groceries, and build to that. What's the saying: best time to plant an oak was 50 years ago? Second best time is today. TS

elroy | 05-23-2007 10:11 AM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population While acquiring storage foods keep in mind the amount of time/fuel it will take to prepare different items. In hard times you may not have access to sufficient fuel to cook a meal for 2 hours. Ex: I love ham and soup beans with cornbread. However it takes several hours to cook the dried beans. The fuel this would require would be enough to heat up canned meals for 2 weeks or more.

Merlin | 05-24-2007 09:19 PM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy (Post 616056) While acquiring storage foods keep in mind the amount of time/fuel it will take to prepare different items. In hard times you may not have access to sufficient fuel to cook a meal for 2 hours. Ex: I love ham and soup beans with cornbread. However it takes several hours to cook the dried beans. The fuel this would require would be enough to heat up canned meals for 2 weeks or more.
Where there's a will, there's a way. I've accumulated around 20 large bags of charcoal briquets. An earlier post on this thread referenced a Mormon web site that has instructions on building an applebox oven that is fueled with charcoal. You could easily use such a device (or, on a sunny day, a solar oven) to boil the beans that you had already soaked overnight for, say, 35 minutes or so. The applebox oven instructions say that 10 charcoal briquets will maintain 350 degrees for 35-40 minutes. Then, pop them into your strawbale cooker and let them sit overnite. I bet they'd turn out right tasty. Now I have some cardboard construction projects to add to my todo list!

keehah | 05-24-2007 09:32 PM
Re: Only the US will use food to control the population Quote:
However it takes several hours to cook the dried beans.
Yes but with a Thermos (as has been noted at this site before) little energy to cook is needed: SAVING MONEY WITH [and energy] A THERMOS BOTTLE By Kurt Saxon

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