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R MacDonald | 05-31-2007 05:55 PM
GROW A VICTORY GARDEN with HEIRLOOM SEEDS Looks like a good supplier.... None of that Monsanto crap. http://www.heirloomseeds.com/victory.html Here's some posters you won't see Bushy handing out... http://www.heirloomseeds.com/victorygardww1.gif http://www.heirloomseeds.com/victorygardww2.gif

gpond | 05-31-2007 05:58 PM
Re: GROW A VICTORY GARDEN with HEIRLOOM SEEDS I ordered from this organization this year, and got good service: http://www.seedsavers.org/ (I ordered 8 Cherokee Purple tomato plants and they are producing tomatos in the victory garden right now. Not ripe yet, but looking good.) http://www.seedsavers.org/images/253.jpg PS. I have that second poster hanging on my wall in my office right in front of me here.

keehah | 05-31-2007 07:05 PM
Re: GROW A VICTORY GARDEN with HEIRLOOM SEEDS Quote:
War Gardens, Montague Free, New York, 1918 Twice in the 20th century Americans have responded to war conditions by turning to kitchen gardening. Victory Gardens were not initially a government response. Only after Americans pressed it to recognize their patriotic efforts at growing food did the government give its imprimatur to Victory Gardens. The war gardens of World War I emerged from food shortages and consumers' fears of escalating food prices. Across the country, volunteer community garden projects encouraged rich and poor to grow their own food. War garden efforts were so successful that the National War Garden Community estimated that "the people of this country in 1917 produced a crop valued at $350 million in back yards, vacant lots and previously uncultivated land".
http://exhibits.mannlib.cornell.edu/...hardtimes2.htm Quote:
Up to the end of 1942, as we said in our last issue, the federal government was not at all keen on the Victory Garden campaign. We learned, from the Public Archives of Canada: "Gardening on such a small scale invited inefficiency in its (i.e. the government's) opinion, due to a wastage of seed, fertilizer, tools, etc. and lead to overproduction of some crops. They adhered to this opinion despite scores of letters received urging the Federal Department of Agriculture to support Victory Gardens, and despite the very active Victory Garden movement in the United States of America.... By 1943, however, problems of shortages of food supplies for the Allies (although not domestically in Canada itself) inclined the federal government towards Victory Gardens." These are the words of Terry Cook, Archivist, National Resource Records, Public Records Division. ...And as the dreadful photographs of "liberated" Europe began appearing in newspapers around the world, the truth of that statement was revealed. The photo showed not only the survivors of Nazi death camps, but the plight of hundreds of thousands of Europe's new generation of dispossessed: homeless, parentless children who lived by begging from Allied servicemen or by raiding whatever garbage cans they were lucky enough to find. War, the photos said, is fought against children. And its strongest weapon is starvation. What is to be learned from the Victory Garden experience of 1943? First, we'd suggest, bearing in mind the tenacity of those who campaigned so assiduously in the face of bureaucratic indifference for official recognition of the movement, "Never give up!" But the second (and we can only hope that it doesn't take some world catastrophe to make us appreciate the truth of it), is that the closer to home we can bring our sources of food, the greater control over them we have. Or, in the words of Vancouver's mayor in 1943, "the basic principle of the Victory Garden is self-reliance."
http://www.cityfarmer.org/victgarB58.html

gunner | 05-31-2007 07:14 PM
Re: GROW A VICTORY GARDEN with HEIRLOOM SEEDS Anyone have any experince (or opinions) with these? http://www.mredepot.com/servlet/the-...e-seeds/Detail <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD width="75%">http://www.mredepot.com/catalog/Cann...%203_thumb.jpg 16 Non Hybrid Hermetically Sealed Zip Locked Jumbo Size Seed Packets in a #10 Can. Harvest your own seeds for future plantings!! Non-Hybrid seeds produce true to variety seeds to replant for future harvests. Hybrids may not produce true to variety seeds. Designed specifically to include 16 easy to grow vegetable varieties that are recommended for short season climates with excellent adaptability for most regions of the Country. ALMOST 2 POUNDS OF PREMIUM QUALITY SEEDS!! Adequately dried seeds sealed in moisture barrier containers can be stored safely for a minimum of 4 years at 65 to 70 degrees Fahrenheit and much longer at lower temperatures. Each 5.6 degree drop in storage temperature will double the storage life of non-hybrid seeds. Critical factors are temperature and moisture content. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

GreenSpirit | 05-31-2007 08:50 PM
Re: GROW A VICTORY GARDEN with HEIRLOOM SEEDS Quote:
Originally Posted by R MacDonald (Post 624338) Looks like a good supplier.... None of that Monsanto crap. http://www.heirloomseeds.com/victory.html Here's some posters you won't see Bushy handing out... http://www.heirloomseeds.com/victorygardww1.gif http://www.heirloomseeds.com/victorygardww2.gif
I really, really love tomatoes and grow them every year, but if you live in temperate zones and you're really interested in producing greatest storable food value per square foot of land you should get your soil and mind ready to grow plain old nutritious dried beans. And maybe one row of brandywine tomatoes for Saturday dinner. The beans keep you alive until Saturday. :yes:

Maddie | 06-01-2007 12:41 AM
Re: GROW A VICTORY GARDEN with HEIRLOOM SEEDS If you're just venturing into hybrid seeds, make sure you read up on them. There are quite a few common wild plants that can cross-pollinate with various hybrid plants so that the seeds produced for next year's crop aren't viable. You'll have to be mindful of what else is growing in the area.

GreenSpirit | 06-01-2007 01:02 AM
Re: GROW A VICTORY GARDEN with HEIRLOOM SEEDS Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 624661) If you're just venturing into hybrid seeds, make sure you read up on them. There are quite a few common wild plants that can cross-pollinate with various hybrid plants so that the seeds produced for next year's crop aren't viable. You'll have to be mindful of what else is growing in the area.
Hybrid seeds (F1) don't come true after the first generation. Wild plants don't play a role in this. Open-pollinated seeds of fixed strains (such as heirloom vegetables) can be saved and selected for adaptability to local conditions. True hybrids can't. Seeds saved from F1 hybrids and grown out will be all over the place, mostly lousy and not like their F1 mother. As with most living things, there are some exceptions to this general rule. Some F2 flower seeds (seeds saved from F1 flowers) are reportedly worth raising. Open-pollinated is the seed you save ...unless you do your own crosses. :wavey:

Maddie | 06-01-2007 02:17 AM
Re: GROW A VICTORY GARDEN with HEIRLOOM SEEDS Opps! I meant heirloom seeds, not hybrids! Sorry about that!

Dave Thomas | 06-07-2007 11:08 PM
Re: GROW A VICTORY GARDEN with HEIRLOOM SEEDS Check out Rare Seeds Yeah I know it's a little bit hippie, but they have got great selection and some good seed packs. They ship fast and they are committed to their cause for heirloom seeds.

pusher | 06-07-2007 11:52 PM
Re: GROW A VICTORY GARDEN with HEIRLOOM SEEDS Quote:
Originally Posted by gunner (Post 624422) Anyone have any experince (or opinions) with these? http://www.mredepot.com/servlet/the-...e-seeds/Detail <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD width="75%">http://www.mredepot.com/catalog/Cann...%203_thumb.jpg 16 Non Hybrid Hermetically Sealed Zip Locked Jumbo Size Seed Packets in a #10 Can. Harvest your own seeds for future plantings!! Non-Hybrid seeds produce true to variety seeds to replant for future harvests. Hybrids may not produce true to variety seeds. Designed specifically to include 16 easy to grow vegetable varieties that are recommended for short season climates with excellent adaptability for most regions of the Country. ALMOST 2 POUNDS OF PREMIUM QUALITY SEEDS!! Adequately dried seeds sealed in moisture barrier containers can be stored safely for a minimum of 4 years at 65 to 70 degrees Fahrenheit and much longer at lower temperatures. Each 5.6 degree drop in storage temperature will double the storage life of non-hybrid seeds. Critical factors are temperature and moisture content. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Gunner, I bought 2 cans of those seeds, figured I ought to try them and see how they work, can has lots of seeds, packaged in resealable packets, I'm impressed with the quality, I planted many of them a little over a week ago, corn is growing great,and pole beans also, looks like cucumbers are up also, can't really give you any more info till later to let you know how they do, but so far I think I'll buy a few more cans to put up, as the amount of seeds in there would probably cost more if I bought them from local retailer, and they would not be heirloom.

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