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silver_addiction | 04-03-2008 09:01 PM
Best place to live What is the best community in this country to live where there is relativly warm weather, decent government, clean water, inexpensive living expenses, good neighbors, ease to grow large variety of food, inexpensive land? I know there is no perfect place, but what would be the ideal in your opinion? Personally I am thinking the big island of Hawaii or somewhere in Tennessee or Oregon or Washington state. I currently live north in Upstate NY, which is a nice place, but I am looking to relocate to a more moderate and inexpensive location. I would really like a place where a lot of people gorw their own food. And warmer weather. I really like the lifestyle and mindset of a lot of people in Portland, Oregon

Silver Shield | 04-03-2008 09:18 PM
Re: Best place to live I am looking in the Carolina's.

lhslancers | 04-03-2008 09:40 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Shield (Post 1044350) I am looking in the Carolina's.
Same here. Check out the Research Triangle. Great comparative home value. Too many damn hillbillies for my liking but hey you can't have it all. :D

learn2swim | 04-03-2008 09:41 PM
Re: Best place to live Try Kentucky..

learn2swim | 04-03-2008 09:43 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 1044405) Same here. Check out the Research Triangle. Great comparative home value. Too many damn hillbillies for my liking but hey you can't have it all. :D
Doesn't NC Have a lot of taxes? SC, I'm not sure about..

Juristic Person | 04-03-2008 09:47 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by silver_addiction (Post 1044313) What is the best community in this country to live where there is relativly warm weather, decent government, clean water, inexpensive living expenses, good neighbors, ease to grow large variety of food, inexpensive land? I know there is no perfect place, but what would be the ideal in your opinion?
Greenville, SC. Quote:
Originally Posted by Silveraddiction Personally I am thinking the big island of Hawaii
Expensive Quote:
Originally Posted by silveraddiction or somewhere in Tennessee
Not always warm weather...prohibition on alcohol. Quote:
Originally Posted by silveraddiction or Oregon
...depending where you go; poor water quality, tough to grow crops, high taxes, not always warm, expesive. Quote:
Originally Posted by silveraddiction or Washington state.
See Oregon. Quote:
Originally Posted by silveraddiction I currently live north in Upstate NY, which is a nice place, but I am looking to relocate to a more moderate and inexpensive location. I would really like a place where a lot of people gorw their own food. And warmer weather. I really like the lifestyle and mindset of a lot of people in Portland, Oregon
More inexpensive than upstate New York? Portland isn't bad...but you will definately get what you pay for. Portland has gotten fairly expensive in the last 10 years. I would look in the Southeast portion of the US...Carolinas are nice.

BuckeyeDad | 04-03-2008 10:37 PM
Re: Best place to live I think a lot of factors come in. For example, a handful of states recently passed legislation against the Real ID. Those would be a good place to start. Here is also a list of cities/states that have passed resolutions against the Patriot Act: http://www.bordc.org/list.php?sortAlpha=1 You should also research things like growing season, gun laws, (homeschool/vaccination laws if you are a parent of young children), etc. There is really cheap land to be found in parts of Kentucky, but you aren't going to get warm weather year around. Slightly more expensive land can be found in Tennessee, Arkansas, and Georgia. Basically, there are pockets of cheap land to be found throughout the country, you just have to put some effort into finding them. Just be aware, cheap land usually equates to you'd better be mostly self-sufficient, because it will be a long commute to civilization. If a warm climate or a long growing season is important to you, then you can eliminate over half of the country right off the bat. You're right, you aren't going to find a place with everything, but you should set up a scoring system against the list of things important to you, and that should help you formulate a short list. Do not limit your search options to just this country when starting out. While it will be easiest to stay here, surprisingly, or not, you may find the best place for you isn't even in the USSA.

GreenSpirit | 04-03-2008 10:41 PM
Re: Best place to live I've been told that, if you enjoyed "Deliverance," you'll love Tennessee. :wink:

luft97 | 04-03-2008 10:42 PM
Re: Best place to live I am partial to Texas because I own a nice ammount of land here and it has been in the family for generations. But, I think Montana would be my next choice.

mtnman | 04-04-2008 12:56 AM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by Juristic Person (Post 1044427) TENNESSEE Not always warm weather...prohibition on alcohol.
Only prohibition on store bought alcohol! We take or Moonshine very seriously! LOL!!! A Lot of right minded people in East Tennessee.

mtnman | 04-04-2008 12:58 AM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1044549) I've been told that, if you enjoyed "Deliverance," you'll love Tennessee. :wink:
Deliverance was in North Georgia.

Tn...Andy | 04-04-2008 07:13 AM
Re: Best place to live "If I had a brother in jail, and a brother in Georgia, I'd bust the one out of Georgia first" ( From Cold Mountain ) There are some "dry" (no legal alcohol sold ) counties in Tennessee, but none of I know of around here. Tax structure is to my liking.....no general income tax...property taxes are pretty reasonable ( I have a pretty decent house and 100acres.....my taxes run about 1200/yr ) Climate is pretty decent......we get some cold and snow...record low since I've lived here was -25, but that was VERY unusual, most winters single digits are rare.....summer highs range to 100, but those too are fairly short lived here in East TN. Most of the year, it is quite pleasant....fall leaf change is generally spectacular. I've lived or visited a lot of the world, and frankly, overall, it doesn't get much better than right here.

Waylon | 04-04-2008 07:36 AM
Re: Best place to live Taxes would be my first consideration in choosing a new home. Seven states have no state income tax: Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington and Wyoming. Two others, New Hampshire and Tennessee, tax only dividend and interest income. These would be the only states I would even consider moving to. To see how other states compare, check out the Federation of Tax Administrators' listing of individual income tax rates for 2006. The following chart shows how states rank as far as taxation. Here are a couple off good links to read more about Tennessee’s tax system. Although they do make up some for not having an income tax, we are still a lower taxed state (ranked 46th out of 50) and with few “progressive” taxes ( http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/topic/59.html and http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxfreedomday/ ). This link will take you to Tennessee Property Tax assessments by county http://www.comptroller1.state.tn.us/PAnew/SelectCounty.asp . The “Right to Carry” is my second consideration. I have those states listed here http://www.azccw.com/right_to_carry_states.htm . Tennessee has relatively low Cost of Living. It ranks 16th nationally (with East Tennessee still being as low or lower than most of the rest of the state). Here is a link http://www.state.tn.us/ecd/research/state_profile/quality_life/index.html and http://www.state.tn.us/ecd/research/state_profile/quality_life/Cost_of_living_4thqtr_06.pdf . If you are seriously considering Tennessee ... please realize West Tennessee is another state apart from East Tennessee. We have absolutely nothing in common (not unlike Eastern and Western Washington State). By the way ... you can't even pump your own gas in Oregon.

ProblemSolver | 04-04-2008 09:29 AM
Re: Best place to live While I hesitate to mention it, for fear of MORE people moving here (I've been here seven years, and now that I'm here, they should close the border :D), Idaho meets several of your criteria. Concealed carry is very liberal, fairly low taxes, reasonable property prices (not as reasonable as seven years ago, but still better than WA or OR), economy chugging along pretty good, fairly mild climate (my garden does better than I deserve every year). I'm in Boise, which is the most populous place in the state. There are other, less expensive (and several more expensive) areas of the state to live, there are more opportunities for employment here, and at a population of about 200,000, (nearly twice that in the County), we're not a big city (a lot of small town feel).

Avalon | 04-04-2008 09:46 AM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by lhs lancers (Post 1044405) Same here. Check out the Research Triangle. Great comparative home value. Too many damn hillbillies for my liking but hey you can't have it all. :D
North Carolina Hillbilly who owns a lot of land reporting in.:D Just for the record housing and many other building projects have been halted or slowed in the Triangle Area because the infrastructure can not support all the Carpetbaggers who want to come down here and build a 5,000 square foot house on a tiny quarter acre of land. Maybe we cant have all the land but we can make it damn expensive for you to buy it....:s9:

mtnman | 04-04-2008 10:02 AM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 1044405) Same here. Check out the Research Triangle. Great comparative home value. Too many damn hillbillies for my liking but hey you can't have it all. :D
Those "damn hillbillies" were there FIRST. And they�ll be the most important people you know if TSHTF. Try to get along. But that�s hard to do for a carpetbagger.

eyeofliberty | 04-04-2008 10:20 AM
Re: Best place to live I'm in Oregon, in the Willamette Valley. My future plans are 10+ acres in either the Rogue, Umpqua, or Applegate River Valleys down in SW Oregon. What is it that you like about Portland? The central planning, socialist thinking gone wild? The endless waves of oh-so self-conscious slacker hipsters? I love Oregon, but I HATE Portland, or rather, the idiots that live there. If I were to consider moving, and I have, I'd look at Montana, Idaho, Wyoming in the west, and North Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, or Arkansas (my birth state) in the east. The Umpqua River Valley has a growing season of about 217 days, if that matters to you, and very good water. Check out Rawles on Retreats and Relocations.

demosfen | 04-04-2008 11:01 AM
Re: Best place to live There is a great book, 'Strategic Relocation' by Joel Skousen. It details every reasonable area in lower 48 states Ozarks is another reasonable choice that hasn't been mentioned. Forget about Hawaii, if you are white the locals will cut your throat when SHTF, and if they don't the Japanese will. I am looking at Vermont, taxes are high though

RiverRat | 04-04-2008 11:36 AM
Re: Best place to live 1 Attachment(s) :rolleyes_m: On an Indian Reservation :D Cheap cigarettes,cheap fuel,cheap booze...the local LEO's can't come in and arrest you for making Meth in your garage. I rest my case...you could make cash enough dealing Meth to buy your own island. I'm way ahead of you guys...

Goldeneye | 04-04-2008 11:58 AM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1044549) I've been told that, if you enjoyed "Deliverance," you'll love Tennessee. :wink:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :haha: :haha: :haha:

silverJeep | 04-04-2008 12:20 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1045099) " I've lived or visited a lot of the world, and frankly, overall, it doesn't get much better than right here.
I thought we were going to be keeping this to oursevles???? Geesh! Nothin to see here folks... jsut keep moving.:rolleyes_m:

eyeofliberty | 04-04-2008 12:28 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1044549) I've been told that, if you enjoyed "Deliverance," you'll love Tennessee. :wink:
The whole "the South is full of nothing but rednecks" broad generalization is pretty tired, don't you think? As far as I have observed, there are stupid people ALL OVER the United States, as well as good GIMers and regular folks.

ShirleyUGeste | 04-04-2008 12:44 PM
Re: Best place to live I'm on the outskirts of Spokane (within city limits by 1/4 mile). I vote for northeastern Washington. Taxes: no state income tax, reasonable property tax ($1200 on $150k house), sales tax is relatively high (8%) but Idaho is only a 20 minute drive away (low sales tax, but high income tax.) Climate: could be better, could be worse. Winter temperatures average 20-30 daytime, 10-20 overnight. Summer temperatures in the 80's to 90's. Good rainfall including periodic summer showers, light snowfall (seldom more than a foot on the ground.) Springs and autumns are glorious. Agriculture: Vast farmlands surround the city for 100 miles both to the south and west. Abundant corn, wheat, soybeans, vineyards, etc. No citrus fruit, but lots of orchards growing apples, pears, peaches, apricots, plums, cherries, nectarines, and other fruit. Small farming communities as close as 12 miles from downtown Spokane. If you're expecting TSTHTF, it sure won't hurt to be located near food sources. Soil is rich, drainage is very good. Our growing season is shorter than some areas, but can be enhanced via greenhouses. Water: Extremely abundant. Rivers, streams, year-round creeks, & lakes are everywhere. Pollution fairly low, except near old mining areas. Air quality: excellent Real Estate Prices: Very reasonable when compared to the rest of the US. Average 3 bedroom/2 bath with double car garage, 1-2 fireplaces, & full finished basement hovers around $190,000. Smaller older homes can still be purchased for under $100k. The real estate crash has not hit us, although over the winter we did see some sales coming in 2-5% lower than summer sales prices. The spring sale season is on, property is moving, and prices don't seem to have dropped a penny from a year ago. Bare land can still be had for $2-5k per acre. Trees: abundant. Everything south of us for 100 miles is farmland, everything north is forest. Most towns and cities are surrounded by forest. I'm inside the city limits, yet only 3 miles from what looks like wilderness. Lots of firewood. :D Wildlife: Astounding. Deer, moose, mule deer, & elk are everywhere (including in your front yard and strolling down your residential street.) Last Fall they had a problem with a moose who took up residence along the riverbank downtown. Last summer I got trapped in what grew to be a half-hour-long 30-car traffic jam on a two lane road because a moose refused to move the hell out of the way or let us pass! Squirrels, rabbits, quail, wild turkeys, ducks, geese, pheasant, racoons, etc. are abundant, as are bear (outside of the city.) Plus, all those rivers and lakes have fish in them. For those looking to live off the land, Washington is a great source of free meat! Homeschooling: Not only legal, but both supported and encouraged. Gasoline: Usually below national average. Currently $3.37 Utilities: Much lower than California, but I can't say how they compare to the rest of the nation. Our combined gas and electric bill averages about $70 in the summer, $160 in the winter if we use firewood for heating, $450 if we use the forced-air heating. (guess which one we use) Our combined water/sewer/garbage bill runs about $65 a month (higher in winter, lower in summer). General Attitudes: definitely libertarian. Generally neighborly, easy-going, and independent. Very friendly -- providing you don't move here from another state and insist that they change to suit your norms. Washingtonians are VERY standoffish (at first) with Californians and New Yorkers simply because folks from those two states tend to be rude, pushy, snobbish, arrogant, and have Type-A personalities. I'm not sure, but I think gun ownership might be a law, since everyone seems to have several. REALLY polite drivers. A substantial portion of the population is what I call the "outlaw fringe". Not that they are criminals, but that the don't want the law interfering in their lives. Lots of loggers, woodsmen, homesteaders, hunters, individualists, country music fans, and Harleys. Terrorist Act: Almost every community has either passed anti-Terrorist Act legislation, or that legislation is currently pending. Over all, this isn't a bad place to be if things go south economically.

ShirleyUGeste | 04-04-2008 12:45 PM
Re: Best place to live Oh yeah, and for the smokers in the group, a carton of generics at the local reservation costs $10.75:smokin:

Codger | 04-04-2008 02:08 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by silver_addiction (Post 1044313) What is the best community in this country to live where there is relativly warm weather, decent government, clean water, inexpensive living expenses, good neighbors, ease to grow large variety of food, inexpensive land? I know there is no perfect place, but what would be the ideal in your opinion? Personally I am thinking the big island of Hawaii or somewhere in Tennessee or Oregon or Washington state. I currently live north in Upstate NY, which is a nice place, but I am looking to relocate to a more moderate and inexpensive location. I would really like a place where a lot of people gorw their own food. And warmer weather. I really like the lifestyle and mindset of a lot of people in Portland, Oregon
I believe you are referring to the Land of Make-Believe!:D http://www.factropolis.com/uploaded_...ers-765518.png

eyeofliberty | 04-04-2008 02:11 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by Codger (Post 1045841) I believe you are referring to the Land of Make-Believe!:D
Galt's Gulch, CO! :wink:

Little Ant | 04-04-2008 03:02 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by Waylon (Post 1045119) ]If you are seriously considering Tennessee ... please realize West Tennessee is another state apart from East Tennessee. We have absolutely nothing in common (not unlike Eastern and Western Washington State). [/SIZE]
I am seriously considering TN for our family relocation. It is on our short list along with the Carolinas. Could you please elaborate on what the difference is between East and West TN? Political, cultural? I am looking toward somewhere I can get around 10 acres at least that is not close to large population centers. I am an RN by trade so I think I can work pretty much anywhere.

Juristic Person | 04-04-2008 03:22 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1044771) Only prohibition on store bought alcohol! We take or Moonshine very seriously! LOL!!! A Lot of right minded people in East Tennessee.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1045099) "If I had a brother in jail, and a brother in Georgia, I'd bust the one out of Georgia first" ( From Cold Mountain ) There are some "dry" (no legal alcohol sold ) counties in Tennessee, but none of I know of around here. Tax structure is to my liking.....no general income tax...property taxes are pretty reasonable ( I have a pretty decent house and 100acres.....my taxes run about 1200/yr ) Climate is pretty decent......we get some cold and snow...record low since I've lived here was -25, but that was VERY unusual, most winters single digits are rare.....summer highs range to 100, but those too are fairly short lived here in East TN. Most of the year, it is quite pleasant....fall leaf change is generally spectacular. I've lived or visited a lot of the world, and frankly, overall, it doesn't get much better than right here.
Well...I stand corrected. "Rocky Top, You'll always be, Home Sweet Home, To me.... Good ole Rocky Top, Rocky Top, Tennessee" :rock:

Juristic Person | 04-04-2008 03:30 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1045664) I'm on the outskirts of Spokane (within city limits by 1/4 mile). I vote for northeastern Washington. Taxes: no state income tax, reasonable property tax ($1200 on $150k house), sales tax is relatively high (8%) but Idaho is only a 20 minute drive away (low sales tax, but high income tax.) Climate: could be better, could be worse. Winter temperatures average 20-30 daytime, 10-20 overnight. Summer temperatures in the 80's to 90's. Good rainfall including periodic summer showers, light snowfall (seldom more than a foot on the ground.) Springs and autumns are glorious. Agriculture: Vast farmlands surround the city for 100 miles both to the south and west. Abundant corn, wheat, soybeans, vineyards, etc. No citrus fruit, but lots of orchards growing apples, pears, peaches, apricots, plums, cherries, nectarines, and other fruit. Small farming communities as close as 12 miles from downtown Spokane. If you're expecting TSTHTF, it sure won't hurt to be located near food sources. Soil is rich, drainage is very good. Our growing season is shorter than some areas, but can be enhanced via greenhouses. Water: Extremely abundant. Rivers, streams, year-round creeks, & lakes are everywhere. Pollution fairly low, except near old mining areas. Air quality: excellent Real Estate Prices: Very reasonable when compared to the rest of the US. Average 3 bedroom/2 bath with double car garage, 1-2 fireplaces, & full finished basement hovers around $190,000. Smaller older homes can still be purchased for under $100k. The real estate crash has not hit us, although over the winter we did see some sales coming in 2-5% lower than summer sales prices. The spring sale season is on, property is moving, and prices don't seem to have dropped a penny from a year ago. Bare land can still be had for $2-5k per acre. Trees: abundant. Everything south of us for 100 miles is farmland, everything north is forest. Most towns and cities are surrounded by forest. I'm inside the city limits, yet only 3 miles from what looks like wilderness. Lots of firewood. :D Wildlife: Astounding. Deer, moose, mule deer, & elk are everywhere (including in your front yard and strolling down your residential street.) Last Fall they had a problem with a moose who took up residence along the riverbank downtown. Last summer I got trapped in what grew to be a half-hour-long 30-car traffic jam on a two lane road because a moose refused to move the hell out of the way or let us pass! Squirrels, rabbits, quail, wild turkeys, ducks, geese, pheasant, racoons, etc. are abundant, as are bear (outside of the city.) Plus, all those rivers and lakes have fish in them. For those looking to live off the land, Washington is a great source of free meat! Homeschooling: Not only legal, but both supported and encouraged. Gasoline: Usually below national average. Currently $3.37 Utilities: Much lower than California, but I can't say how they compare to the rest of the nation. Our combined gas and electric bill averages about $70 in the summer, $160 in the winter if we use firewood for heating, $450 if we use the forced-air heating. (guess which one we use) Our combined water/sewer/garbage bill runs about $65 a month (higher in winter, lower in summer). General Attitudes: definitely libertarian. Generally neighborly, easy-going, and independent. Very friendly -- providing you don't move here from another state and insist that they change to suit your norms. Washingtonians are VERY standoffish (at first) with Californians and New Yorkers simply because folks from those two states tend to be rude, pushy, snobbish, arrogant, and have Type-A personalities. I'm not sure, but I think gun ownership might be a law, since everyone seems to have several. REALLY polite drivers. A substantial portion of the population is what I call the "outlaw fringe". Not that they are criminals, but that the don't want the law interfering in their lives. Lots of loggers, woodsmen, homesteaders, hunters, individualists, country music fans, and Harleys. Terrorist Act: Almost every community has either passed anti-Terrorist Act legislation, or that legislation is currently pending. Over all, this isn't a bad place to be if things go south economically.
You've captured my attention. What's the elevation where you live?

eyeofliberty | 04-04-2008 03:47 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1045664) I'm on the outskirts of Spokane (within city limits by 1/4 mile). I vote for northeastern Washington. Taxes: no state income tax, reasonable property tax ($1200 on $150k house), sales tax is relatively high (8%) but Idaho is only a 20 minute drive away (low sales tax, but high income tax.) Climate: could be better, could be worse. Winter temperatures average 20-30 daytime, 10-20 overnight. Summer temperatures in the 80's to 90's. Good rainfall including periodic summer showers, light snowfall (seldom more than a foot on the ground.) Springs and autumns are glorious. Agriculture: Vast farmlands surround the city for 100 miles both to the south and west. Abundant corn, wheat, soybeans, vineyards, etc. No citrus fruit, but lots of orchards growing apples, pears, peaches, apricots, plums, cherries, nectarines, and other fruit. Small farming communities as close as 12 miles from downtown Spokane. If you're expecting TSTHTF, it sure won't hurt to be located near food sources. Soil is rich, drainage is very good. Our growing season is shorter than some areas, but can be enhanced via greenhouses. Water: Extremely abundant. Rivers, streams, year-round creeks, & lakes are everywhere. Pollution fairly low, except near old mining areas. Air quality: excellent Real Estate Prices: Very reasonable when compared to the rest of the US. Average 3 bedroom/2 bath with double car garage, 1-2 fireplaces, & full finished basement hovers around $190,000. Smaller older homes can still be purchased for under $100k. The real estate crash has not hit us, although over the winter we did see some sales coming in 2-5% lower than summer sales prices. The spring sale season is on, property is moving, and prices don't seem to have dropped a penny from a year ago. Bare land can still be had for $2-5k per acre. Trees: abundant. Everything south of us for 100 miles is farmland, everything north is forest. Most towns and cities are surrounded by forest. I'm inside the city limits, yet only 3 miles from what looks like wilderness. Lots of firewood. :D Wildlife: Astounding. Deer, moose, mule deer, & elk are everywhere (including in your front yard and strolling down your residential street.) Last Fall they had a problem with a moose who took up residence along the riverbank downtown. Last summer I got trapped in what grew to be a half-hour-long 30-car traffic jam on a two lane road because a moose refused to move the hell out of the way or let us pass! Squirrels, rabbits, quail, wild turkeys, ducks, geese, pheasant, racoons, etc. are abundant, as are bear (outside of the city.) Plus, all those rivers and lakes have fish in them. For those looking to live off the land, Washington is a great source of free meat! Homeschooling: Not only legal, but both supported and encouraged. Gasoline: Usually below national average. Currently $3.37 Utilities: Much lower than California, but I can't say how they compare to the rest of the nation. Our combined gas and electric bill averages about $70 in the summer, $160 in the winter if we use firewood for heating, $450 if we use the forced-air heating. (guess which one we use) Our combined water/sewer/garbage bill runs about $65 a month (higher in winter, lower in summer). General Attitudes: definitely libertarian. Generally neighborly, easy-going, and independent. Very friendly -- providing you don't move here from another state and insist that they change to suit your norms. Washingtonians are VERY standoffish (at first) with Californians and New Yorkers simply because folks from those two states tend to be rude, pushy, snobbish, arrogant, and have Type-A personalities. I'm not sure, but I think gun ownership might be a law, since everyone seems to have several. REALLY polite drivers. A substantial portion of the population is what I call the "outlaw fringe". Not that they are criminals, but that the don't want the law interfering in their lives. Lots of loggers, woodsmen, homesteaders, hunters, individualists, country music fans, and Harleys. Terrorist Act: Almost every community has either passed anti-Terrorist Act legislation, or that legislation is currently pending. Over all, this isn't a bad place to be if things go south economically.
This fairly well applies to NE Oregon, as well, except we have income tax, but no sales tax. Check Wallowa, Pendleton, Joseph, Enterprise, Baker City.

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Heimdhal | 04-04-2008 04:13 PM
Re: Best place to live dear gods you all need to stop the thread now! My wife is going to come home to me packing and wonder what im doing. Shell then shoot me a very displease look when I smack her on the behind and say "Honey, load, were-a movin to Washington! We're homesteadin'!" I do so envy you up there, you have no idea. Ill trade this little town house in south florida any day. I would miss the Keys and the atlantic ocean though :(

eyeofliberty | 04-04-2008 04:19 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 1046160) I would miss the Keys and the atlantic ocean though :(
Being able to swim in the ocean without a wetsuit is nice. I lived in San Diego for 7 years; it wasn't the Atlantic, but it sure as hell was a lot warmer than the Oregon coast!

Heimdhal | 04-04-2008 04:24 PM
Re: Best place to live yes, it is nice to just stroll in and out and you dont have to step over swarms of people on the beaches CAUSE THERE ALL IN THE WATER! It has a certain feel to it as well. I dont know what it is, maybe it cause i was raised basicaly on the ocean with a strong maritime background in my family for hundreds of years, but when I am away from it, I miss it something fierce. Even despite me not having been to it in probably a year now even though its a mile away...its strange.

GoldMaster | 04-04-2008 04:59 PM
Re: Best place to live . Tennessee is a failed state, It is corrupt to the hilt. The good ol�boy system reaches to the state capital and God help you if you cross anyone of them. Cause you will be ruined to the highest level, I was born and raised in east Tennessee for 30 years these last 10 has been in middle Tennessee. The only difference is east Tennessee is poor as church mice, Middle Tennessee is void of any community. The local & state corruption is out of control. Of course if you are part of the good ol boy system, you can live life fairly free, But step outside of your area and you are in someone else�s good ol�boy system and there you must tread lightly. We don�t have a state income tax as of yet, But they keep holding secret meetings yearly trying to pass one. Just a matter of time till they have a successful meeting, that doesnt get exposed in time. This state probably not unlike others is a lost cause, They might as well turn over full control to the feds, as the state has no value to a free citizen. So people if you were expecting the South to raise again and save your sorry Asses, You are living in a dream world. Our founding fathers speeches of freedom, is nothing more than a class room study for deaf children. .

Heimdhal | 04-04-2008 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldMaster (Post 1046249) . Tennessee is a failed state, It is corrupt to the hilt. The good ol�boy system reaches to the state capital and God help you if you cross anyone of them. Cause you will be ruined to the highest level, I was born and raised in east Tennessee for 30 years these last 10 has been in middle Tennessee. The only difference is east Tennessee is poor as church mice, Middle Tennessee is void of any community. The local & state corruption is out of control. Of course if you are part of the good ol boy system, you can live life fairly free, But step outside of your area and you are in someone else�s good ol�boy system and there you must tread lightly. We don�t have a state income tax as of yet, But they keep holding secret meetings yearly trying to pass one. Just a matter of time till they have a successful meeting, that doesnt get exposed in time. This state probably not unlike others is a lost cause, They might as well turn over full control to the feds, as the state has no value to a free citizen. So people if you were expecting the South to raise again and save your sorry Asses, You are living in a dream world. Our founding fathers speeches of freedom, is nothing more than a class room study for deaf children. .
I considerd tenn. myself. I like the country side(landscape) and all but I have heard MANY people tell the same story you have. My inlaws grandparent had over 100 acres up there and just recently both passed away leaving it to their kids. We all talked about going up there, but I've heard so many horror stories about local and state government corruption that while i would love the scenery and geography I am not going to put on the additional chains of the state while bearing the ones of the Fed.

eyeofliberty | 04-04-2008 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldMaster (Post 1046249) . Tennessee is a failed state, It is corrupt to the hilt. The good ol�boy system reaches to the state capital and God help you if you cross anyone of them. Cause you will be ruined to the highest level, I was born and raised in east Tennessee for 30 years these last 10 has been in middle Tennessee. The only difference is east Tennessee is poor as church mice, Middle Tennessee is void of any community. The local & state corruption is out of control. Of course if you are part of the good ol boy system, you can live life fairly free, But step outside of your area and you are in someone else�s good ol�boy system and there you must tread lightly. We don�t have a state income tax as of yet, But they keep holding secret meetings yearly trying to pass one. Just a matter of time till they have a successful meeting, that doesnt get exposed in time. This state probably not unlike others is a lost cause, They might as well turn over full control to the feds, as the state has no value to a free citizen. So people if you were expecting the South to raise again and save your sorry Asses, You are living in a dream world. Our founding fathers speeches of freedom, is nothing more than a class room study for deaf children. .
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Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 1046270) I considerd tenn. myself. I like the country side(landscape) and all but I have heard MANY people tell the same story you have. My inlaws grandparent had over 100 acres up there and just recently both passed away leaving it to their kids. We all talked about going up there, but I've heard so many horror stories about local and state government corruption that while i would love the scenery and geography I am not going to put on the additional chains of the state while bearing the ones of the Fed.
Hell, I just assume government EVERYWHERE is corrupt, and carry on with my life anyway, trying to minimize their impact on my life. Which leads me to my new favorite quote: "Don't believe them, don't fear them, don't ask anything of them." Alexander Solzhenitsyn on Politicians Sounds like they may take corruption to a whole new level there, however.

Juristic Person | 04-04-2008 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldMaster (Post 1046249) . Tennessee is a failed state, It is corrupt to the hilt. The good ol�boy system reaches to the state capital and God help you if you cross anyone of them. Cause you will be ruined to the highest level, I was born and raised in east Tennessee for 30 years these last 10 has been in middle Tennessee. The only difference is east Tennessee is poor as church mice, Middle Tennessee is void of any community. The local & state corruption is out of control. Of course if you are part of the good ol boy system, you can live life fairly free, But step outside of your area and you are in someone else�s good ol�boy system and there you must tread lightly. We don�t have a state income tax as of yet, But they keep holding secret meetings yearly trying to pass one. Just a matter of time till they have a successful meeting, that doesnt get exposed in time. This state probably not unlike others is a lost cause, They might as well turn over full control to the feds, as the state has no value to a free citizen. So people if you were expecting the South to raise again and save your sorry Asses, You are living in a dream world. Our founding fathers speeches of freedom, is nothing more than a class room study for deaf children. .
I've heard the same thing. I've also heard that initial appearances are deceiving...they don't take kindly to newcomers who try to settle down in the backcountry.

rodin | 04-04-2008 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BuckeyeDad (Post 1044538) Basically, there are pockets of cheap land to be found throughout the country, you just have to put some effort into finding them. Just be aware, cheap land usually equates to you'd better be mostly self-sufficient, because it will be a long commute to civilization.
A bonus if TSHTF

rodin | 04-04-2008 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Juristic Person (Post 1044427) Greenville, SC. Expensive Not always warm weather...prohibition on alcohol. ...depending where you go; poor water quality, tough to grow crops, high taxes, not always warm, expesive. See Oregon. More inexpensive than upstate New York? Portland isn't bad...but you will definately get what you pay for. Portland has gotten fairly expensive in the last 10 years. I would look in the Southeast portion of the US...Carolinas are nice.
What's a good American who knows his country well doing supporting the crooks in Washington & Tel Aviv etc?

vacuum | 04-04-2008 07:26 PM
Re: Best place to live Why not leave the country?

Avalon | 04-04-2008 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Heimdahl (Post 1046270) I considered Tenn. myself. We all talked about going up there, but I've heard so many horror stories about local and state government corruption that while i would love the scenery and geography I am not going to put on the additional chains of the state while bearing the ones of the Fed.
You don't know what you are missing. A City or County Commissioners meeting in a small southern town is the best damn free entertainment you will ever get. I have been escorted out by the law during several of them...lol

ShirleyUGeste | 04-04-2008 08:56 PM
Re: Best place to live Hi J.P., sorry it took so long to get back to you. Had to go to work. Elevation in Spokane varies considerably because of all the hills & mountains. Downtown Spokane is (I believe) about 1700 ft. One mile south of downtown is the South Hill neighborhood, and five miles north of downtown is Five Mile Prairie, both at 2400 ft. (hell of a view). Spokane Valley is 10 miles east, and flat as a pancake at maybe 1800 ft. If you're a skier, Mt. Spokane is only about a 20 minute drive from downtown; elevation 5900. If you're a boater, you have your choice of roughly 30 lakes within a 50 mile radius. Of course, a few of them aren't much more than overgrown ponds, but others are quite large. One thing you should keep in mind about being within the city limits. When I first moved here 4 years ago, I was warned, "We only have two seasons in Spokane: winter and road construction." They weren't kidding! Eyeof Liberty: WallaWalla is a good area, and about 5 degrees warmer than Spokane.

Waylon | 04-05-2008 12:04 AM
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Little Ant: I am seriously considering TN for our family relocation. It is on our short list along with the Carolinas. Could you please elaborate on what the difference is between East and West TN? Political, cultural? I am looking toward somewhere I can get around 10 acres at least that is not close to large population centers. I am an RN by trade so I think I can work pretty much anywhere.
West Tennessee is more of the Democrat entitlement mentality. It is predominantly black in population. For most of my life the state has been taking East Tennessee money and sending it to West Tennessee mostly as government work projects and social services. I have listed before at GIM that I ernestly wish the Mississippi River would re-route along the fault and make Memphis part of Arkansas. As a RN, there is lots of work wherever you decide to go. There are at least ten adds daily (each with multiple listings) for all types of nurses in the local paper. Quote:
Goldmaster: Tennessee is a failed state, It is corrupt to the hilt. The good ol’boy system reaches to the state capital and God help you if you cross anyone of them. Cause you will be ruined to the highest level, I was born and raised in east Tennessee for 30 years these last 10 has been in middle Tennessee. The only difference is east Tennessee is poor as church mice, Middle Tennessee is void of any community. The local & state corruption is out of control. Of course if you are part of the good ol boy system, you can live life fairly free, But step outside of your area and you are in someone else’s good ol’boy system and there you must tread lightly. We don’t have a state income tax as of yet, But they keep holding secret meetings yearly trying to pass one. Just a matter of time till they have a successful meeting, that doesnt get exposed in time. This state probably not unlike others is a lost cause, They might as well turn over full control to the feds, as the state has no value to a free citizen. So people if you were expecting the South to raise again and save your sorry Asses, You are living in a dream world. Our founding fathers speeches of freedom, is nothing more than a class room study for deaf children.
I certainly do not deny this (although it is to a much lesser extent than say New Orleans); my response to this it seems has already been given. As far as the income tax goes, I am sure every state government will always be looking to add to the tax rolls. That is what governments do ... tax, tax and tax some more. Yes, they do keep trying to get the income tax here. If they ever succeed, you can have my job and buy my land ... I'm gone to Washington State. Quote:
eyeofliberty: Hell, I just assume government EVERYWHERE is corrupt, and carry on with my life anyway, trying to minimize their impact on my life. Which leads me to my new favorite quote: "Don't believe them, don't fear them, don't ask anything of them." Alexander Solzhenitsyn on Politicians
I would only add that the corruption is being fought and I think the only difference between here and anywhere else is that we are hanging our dirty laundry out for folks to see. Most local governments hide theirs better. Quote:
Juristic Person: they don't take kindly to newcomers who try to settle down in the backcountry.
That really depends on the person. Mountain folks are judgemental and they often can afford to be because they really don't have anything to lose ... Quote:
GoldMaster: The only difference is east Tennessee is poor as church mice
In the rural areas of East Tennessee there are many types of people of vastly varying economic and social levels - each of which is critically important to the community. There are church types, professional types, laboring types, farming types, thieves (the meth addicted never-do-wells & politicians) and mountain folk. They look upon each other as harshly or warmly as they look upon outsiders. If you look at or interact with any of these subgroups of people you will leave the area with a very different impression than someone who interacts mostly with a different subgroup. All in all, East Tennessee is as good a place to live as I have ever been in the US. I spent a year in Wasington State and that was my second favorite place in the US (would likely have been my favorite had I grown up there). BEAUTIFUL LAND! HUGE MOUNTAINS! And good people in Eastern Washington. It is just a stunning area from the top to the bottom of the state.

lhslancers | 04-05-2008 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by learn2swim (Post 1044416) Doesn't NC Have a lot of taxes? SC, I'm not sure about..
I saw some new construction in December 200K asking price property taxes were 3K. Cheap compared to what I'm used to in NJ. Sales tax is not a major consideration. State income tax probably won't be by the time I am ready to go. Nice people and fairly unspoiled.

lhslancers | 04-05-2008 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1045352) North Carolina Hillbilly who owns a lot of land reporting in.:D Just for the record housing and many other building projects have been halted or slowed in the Triangle Area because the infrastructure can not support all the Carpetbaggers who want to come down here and build a 5,000 square foot house on a tiny quarter acre of land. Maybe we cant have all the land but we can make it damn expensive for you to buy it....:s9:
KB is building a nice development near Route 70. Biggest house is 3200 square feet. 2900 square footer is 200K. Up here in this general area we're talking 650K and in the neighborhood of 10K for property taxes.

lhslancers | 04-05-2008 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1045376) Those "damn hillbillies" were there FIRST. And they�ll be the most important people you know if TSHTF. Try to get along. But that�s hard to do for a carpetbagger.
Kidding but you know that right?

Saoirse | 04-05-2008 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by silver_addiction (Post 1044313) What is the best community in this country to live where there is relativly warm weather, decent government, clean water, inexpensive living expenses, good neighbors, ease to grow large variety of food, inexpensive land? I know there is no perfect place, but what would be the ideal in your opinion?
I too think about this question occasionally. Sometimes the word "utopia" in its proper meaning comes to mind: "no place." And indeed yet another thought comes to mind: "What am I doing to try to build a community, contribute to local culture, and improve my current surroundings?" I'm not saying you haven't tried these things, but I would like to see GIMers debate this, as I believe it is a fundamental moral issue that is not entertained often on this website.

Silver Shield | 04-05-2008 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 1046897) KB is building a nice development near Route 70. Biggest house is 3200 square feet. 2900 square footer is 200K. Up here in this general area we're talking 650K and in the neighborhood of 10K for property taxes.
A new home like that is closer to $850,000 with $12,000 in property taxes. At least last year.... Things are going bad fast in N.J. N.C. and S.C. are looking very attractive. I am going to have to put up with a lot of carpetbagger jokes though...

ShirleyUGeste | 04-05-2008 01:17 PM
Re: Best place to live Bump. This is a great thread, and I think we ought to keep it going for the benefit of those still looking for a place to ride out the rough times ahead. I've made a pretty good case for eastern Washington, but I'd like to hear arguments for other areas as well. Anybody?

mtnman | 04-05-2008 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 1046899) Kidding but you know that right?
Kinda figured that but I had to make sure.

coindog | 04-05-2008 05:25 PM
Re: Best place to live NOT true stay out , if the SHTF in A big way you people who move here and screw things up will be the last to get help from local folk . Sissy people move here all the time and they can't take the cold or drive in the snow and they need this and they need that just stay where ever you are and deal with it !!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1045664) I'm on the outskirts of Spokane (within city limits by 1/4 mile). I vote for northeastern Washington. Taxes: no state income tax, reasonable property tax ($1200 on $150k house), sales tax is relatively high (8%) but Idaho is only a 20 minute drive away (low sales tax, but high income tax.) Climate: could be better, could be worse. Winter temperatures average 20-30 daytime, 10-20 overnight. Summer temperatures in the 80's to 90's. Good rainfall including periodic summer showers, light snowfall (seldom more than a foot on the ground.) Springs and autumns are glorious. Agriculture: Vast farmlands surround the city for 100 miles both to the south and west. Abundant corn, wheat, soybeans, vineyards, etc. No citrus fruit, but lots of orchards growing apples, pears, peaches, apricots, plums, cherries, nectarines, and other fruit. Small farming communities as close as 12 miles from downtown Spokane. If you're expecting TSTHTF, it sure won't hurt to be located near food sources. Soil is rich, drainage is very good. Our growing season is shorter than some areas, but can be enhanced via greenhouses. Water: Extremely abundant. Rivers, streams, year-round creeks, & lakes are everywhere. Pollution fairly low, except near old mining areas. Air quality: excellent Real Estate Prices: Very reasonable when compared to the rest of the US. Average 3 bedroom/2 bath with double car garage, 1-2 fireplaces, & full finished basement hovers around $190,000. Smaller older homes can still be purchased for under $100k. The real estate crash has not hit us, although over the winter we did see some sales coming in 2-5% lower than summer sales prices. The spring sale season is on, property is moving, and prices don't seem to have dropped a penny from a year ago. Bare land can still be had for $2-5k per acre. Trees: abundant. Everything south of us for 100 miles is farmland, everything north is forest. Most towns and cities are surrounded by forest. I'm inside the city limits, yet only 3 miles from what looks like wilderness. Lots of firewood. :D Wildlife: Astounding. Deer, moose, mule deer, & elk are everywhere (including in your front yard and strolling down your residential street.) Last Fall they had a problem with a moose who took up residence along the riverbank downtown. Last summer I got trapped in what grew to be a half-hour-long 30-car traffic jam on a two lane road because a moose refused to move the hell out of the way or let us pass! Squirrels, rabbits, quail, wild turkeys, ducks, geese, pheasant, raccoons, etc. are abundant, as are bear (outside of the city.) Plus, all those rivers and lakes have fish in them. For those looking to live off the land, Washington is a great source of free meat! Home-schooling: Not only legal, but both supported and encouraged. Gasoline: Usually below national average. Currently $3.37 Utilities: Much lower than California, but I can't say how they compare to the rest of the nation. Our combined gas and electric bill averages about $70 in the summer, $160 in the winter if we use firewood for heating, $450 if we use the forced-air heating. (guess which one we use) Our combined water/sewer/garbage bill runs about $65 a month (higher in winter, lower in summer). General Attitudes: definitely libertarian. Generally neighborly, easy-going, and independent. Very friendly -- providing you don't move here from another state and insist that they change to suit your norms. Washingtonians are VERY standoffish (at first) with Californians and New Yorkers simply because folks from those two states tend to be rude, pushy, snobbish, arrogant, and have Type-A personalities. I'm not sure, but I think gun ownership might be a law, since everyone seems to have several. REALLY polite drivers. A substantial portion of the population is what I call the "outlaw fringe". Not that they are criminals, but that the don't want the law interfering in their lives. Lots of loggers, woodsmen, homesteaders, hunters, individualists, country music fans, and Harley's. Terrorist Act: Almost every community has either passed anti-Terrorist Act legislation, or that legislation is currently pending. Over all, this isn't a bad place to be if things go south economically.

Juristic Person | 04-05-2008 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1046664) Hi J.P., sorry it took so long to get back to you. Had to go to work. Elevation in Spokane varies considerably because of all the hills & mountains. Downtown Spokane is (I believe) about 1700 ft. One mile south of downtown is the South Hill neighborhood, and five miles north of downtown is Five Mile Prairie, both at 2400 ft. (hell of a view). Spokane Valley is 10 miles east, and flat as a pancake at maybe 1800 ft. If you're a skier, Mt. Spokane is only about a 20 minute drive from downtown; elevation 5900. If you're a boater, you have your choice of roughly 30 lakes within a 50 mile radius. Of course, a few of them aren't much more than overgrown ponds, but others are quite large. One thing you should keep in mind about being within the city limits. When I first moved here 4 years ago, I was warned, "We only have two seasons in Spokane: winter and road construction." They weren't kidding! Eyeof Liberty: WallaWalla is a good area, and about 5 degrees warmer than Spokane.
Thanks for the info. Still sounds like a nice area, overall, but I would prefer to be a bit farther out from the city limits than 1/4 mile. I plan to make it up there eventually...

ShirleyUGeste | 04-05-2008 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Juristic Person (Post 1047870) Thanks for the info. Still sounds like a nice area, overall, but I would prefer to be a bit farther out from the city limits than 1/4 mile. I plan to make it up there eventually...
I'd like to be farther out myself, but I have an 80+ mother living with me, and her needs have to come first. That doesn't keep me from looking though! I found a place about 8 miles from where I am (so about 15 miles from downtown) in the middle of the forest, on the banks of a lively stream, on a winding country road most people couldn't even find. Gorgeous. If you ever make it up this way, PM me and I'll tell you where it is. Quote:
Originally Posted by coindog (Post 1047666) NOT true stay out , if the SHTF in A big way you people who move here and screw things up will be the last to get help from local folk . Sissy people move here all the time and they can't take the cold or drive in the snow and they need this and they need that just stay where ever you are and deal with it !!!!
Get a grip, coindog. Life isn't about ME, ME, ME. It's about being kind and helping our neighbors out on the journey when we can. It's a karma sort of thing. I'm the biggest sissy there is (California CITY girl) and I've made it just fine. Don't over-estimate yourself. We all need help from time-to-time, no matter where we live. Occassionally you do too. It doesn't cost me anything except 10 minutes of time to pull someone out of a snowbank. So what? Funny though, I've been here almost five years and NEVER found anyone who was unwilling to lend me a hand or give me needed advice, and to do so with a neighborly smile, and I've always returned the favor. So.....what's your problem?

Juristic Person | 04-05-2008 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1047973) I'd like to be farther out myself, but I have an 80+ mother living with me, and her needs have to come first. That doesn't keep me from looking though! I found a place about 8 miles from where I am (so about 15 miles from downtown) in the middle of the forest, on the banks of a lively stream, on a winding country road most people couldn't even find. Gorgeous. If you ever make it up this way, PM me and I'll tell you where it is.
Hey, that's understandable. Family comes first in my book too. That place that you mentioned definately sounds more along the lines of what I'm looking for. Long country roads, clean air, lots of green, big trees, and a fresh water supply (preferably a flowing stream or river) adjacent to my property. When I finally do come up to the PNW, I will let you know. FYI - the laws/taxes/politics of the area seem pretty good as well. I wish I could contribute a better location to top that but I can't think of one at the moment.

coindog | 04-06-2008 01:16 AM
Re: Best place to live :My problem? Californians would be one of my problems and I do not like hippies ether. I do how ever like Texans and most rednecks, some Californians are ok but most I have met I could do without . Mostly I just don't like the free meat thing nothing is free and if things get bad there will not be any game left at all then me and my dogs will be forced to feed on long pig from cali. LOL just kidding I was born and raised here and have watched it all go to hell because of growth and it will continue as it is the way it is .

Heimdhal | 04-06-2008 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by coindog (Post 1048271) :My problem? Californians would be one of my problems and I do not like hippies ether. I do how ever like Texans and most rednecks, some Californians are ok but most I have met I could do without . Mostly I just don't like the free meat thing nothing is free and if things get bad there will not be any game left at all then me and my dogs will be forced to feed on long pig from cali. LOL just kidding I was born and raised here and have watched it all go to hell because of growth and it will continue as it is the way it is .
I could do wihtout most californians as well, but also most texans and new yorkers too. Probably the three states I despise the most:banghead:

ShirleyUGeste | 04-06-2008 02:21 AM
Re: Best place to live Coindog, the ability to adapt to change is the reason our species has been able to survive. Those that can't adapt, die; just ask the dinosaurs. Sounds like you're having trouble adapting. The refugees are going to come; there's no way to stop them. Adjust. Please. However, I must say that I actually agree with you about some people - those who move to this area because they want a better quality of life, yet the first thing they do is buy a McMansion, a huge SUV that they never take the snow tires off of (so the roads get torn up even more), weave in and out of traffic flipping people off (a real no-no up here), then proceed to gripe about things here not being the same as they were in ________ (California, New York, fill in the blanK). It's like they come here to escape LA, and immediately try to turn us into LA. But not all newcomers are like that. Most are really nice, and I prefer to be friendly and helpful until they prove to me that they don't deserve my kindness. I sincerely doubt that anyone from GIM who is aware enough of the economic situation to be concerned about our future, and is looking for a safe place to be if things get ugly, would be a problem up here. We're on the same page. Aren't all of us at GIM looking for a return to sanity, safety, and perhaps a simpler life? From reading many of Juristic Person's posts, I think he'd make a wonderful neighbor. Don't you? In fact, most of the people at GIM would make good neighbors......at least they'd have food stockpiled, preparations made, precious metals on hand, and the tools and mindset necessary to get through the rough times that lie ahead. No GIMer is going to come bashing through my door trying to steal my measly stash of rice and flour. THAT will be attempted by foolish natives who didn't have the sense to look ahead and prepare.

Aussie | 04-06-2008 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 1044405) Same here. Check out the Research Triangle. Great comparative home value. Too many damn hillbillies for my liking but hey you can't have it all. :D
If you've ever read Howard Kunstler's The Long Emergency, he is very wary about living in the south when TSHTF. He thinks it would get out of control very quickly. I used to live in suburban Atlanta - wouldn't want to be there now.

ShirleyUGeste | 04-06-2008 02:58 AM
Re: Best place to live Good book, easy read & interesting theories. However, he's not only "down" on the south, he's vehmently opposed to being in the southwest (Utah, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, west Texas, southern California) due to water shortages and the falling water table. He doesn't like New England (too many people). He advises against harsh winter areas such as the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming. He expressed serious concerns about the plains states. He advised against being on the Pacific shore (prone to invasions, he opined.) In fact, I got a map of the United States and colored in every area that he advised against. There wasn't much left, and while I do encourage GIMers to consider eastern Washington, the whole damned country can't move here!

Waylon | 04-06-2008 05:37 AM
Re: Best place to live My biological father (who was a Vietnam Veteran and completely despises the government and most other folks also) looked for a place to move with the lowest density of population. I think he is headed off to South Dakota. Hard to believe one square mile can support almost 1,200 folks ... but look at New Jersey. Quote:
<TABLE class="wikitable sortable" id=sortable_table_id_0><TBODY><TR class=even bgColor=#cccccc><TH>Rank http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/co.../sort_none.gif</TH><TH>State http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/co.../sort_none.gif</TH><TH>Population density (per sq. mi) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/co.../sort_none.gif </TH><TH>Population density (per km�) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/co.../sort_none.gif </TH></TR><TR class=odd><TD>1</TD><TD>New Jersey</TD><TD>1,138.0</TD><TD>439.39</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>2</TD><TD>Rhode Island</TD><TD>1,003.2</TD><TD>387.35</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>3</TD><TD>Massachusetts</TD><TD>809.8</TD><TD>312.67</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>4</TD><TD>Connecticut</TD><TD>702.9</TD><TD>271.40</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>5</TD><TD>Maryland</TD><TD>541.9</TD><TD>209.23</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>6</TD><TD>New York</TD><TD>401.9</TD><TD>155.18</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>7</TD><TD>Delaware</TD><TD>401.1</TD><TD>154.87</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>8</TD><TD>Florida</TD><TD>296.4</TD><TD>114.43</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>9</TD><TD>Ohio</TD><TD>277.3</TD><TD>107.05</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>10</TD><TD>Pennsylvania</TD><TD>274.0</TD><TD>105.80</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>11</TD><TD>Illinois</TD><TD>223.4</TD><TD>86.27</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>12</TD><TD>California</TD><TD>217.1</TD><TD>83.85</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>13</TD><TD>Hawaii</TD><TD>188.6</TD><TD>72.83</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>14</TD><TD>Virginia</TD><TD>178.8</TD><TD>69.03</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>15</TD><TD>Michigan</TD><TD>175.0</TD><TD>67.55</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>16</TD><TD>Indiana</TD><TD>169.5</TD><TD>65.46</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>17</TD><TD>North Carolina</TD><TD>165.2</TD><TD>63.80</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>18</TD><TD>Georgia</TD><TD>141.4</TD><TD>54.59</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>19</TD><TD>Tennessee</TD><TD>138.0</TD><TD>53.29</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>20</TD><TD>New Hampshire</TD><TD>137.8</TD><TD>53.20</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>21</TD><TD>South Carolina</TD><TD>133.2</TD><TD>51.45</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>22</TD><TD>Louisiana</TD><TD>102.6</TD><TD>39.61</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>23</TD><TD>Kentucky</TD><TD>101.7</TD><TD>39.28</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>24</TD><TD>Wisconsin</TD><TD>98.8</TD><TD>38.13</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>25</TD><TD>Washington</TD><TD>88.6</TD><TD>34.20</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>26</TD><TD>Alabama</TD><TD>87.6</TD><TD>33.84</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>27</TD><TD>Missouri</TD><TD>81.2</TD><TD>31.36</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD></TD><TD>U.S. Average</TD><TD>80.7</TD><TD>31.17</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>28</TD><TD>Texas</TD><TD>79.6</TD><TD>30.75</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>29</TD><TD>West Virginia</TD><TD>75.1</TD><TD>29.00</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>30</TD><TD>Vermont</TD><TD>65.8</TD><TD>25.41</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>31</TD><TD>Minnesota</TD><TD>61.8</TD><TD>23.86</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>32</TD><TD>Mississippi</TD><TD>60.6</TD><TD>23.42</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>33</TD><TD>Iowa</TD><TD>52.4</TD><TD>20.22</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>34</TD><TD>Arkansas</TD><TD>51.3</TD><TD>19.82</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>35</TD><TD>Oklahoma</TD><TD>50.3</TD><TD>19.40</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>36</TD><TD>Arizona</TD><TD>45.2</TD><TD>17.43</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>37</TD><TD>Colorado</TD><TD>41.5</TD><TD>16.01</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>38</TD><TD>Maine</TD><TD>41.3</TD><TD>15.95</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>39</TD><TD>Oregon</TD><TD>35.6</TD><TD>13.76</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>40</TD><TD>Kansas</TD><TD>32.9</TD><TD>12.69</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>41</TD><TD>Utah</TD><TD>27.2</TD><TD>10.50</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>42</TD><TD>Nebraska</TD><TD>22.3</TD><TD>8.60</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>43</TD><TD>Nevada</TD><TD>18.2</TD><TD>7.03</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>44</TD><TD>Idaho</TD><TD>15.6</TD><TD>6.04</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>45</TD><TD>New Mexico</TD><TD>15.0</TD><TD>5.79</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>46</TD><TD>South Dakota</TD><TD>9.9</TD><TD>3.84</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>47</TD><TD>North Dakota</TD><TD>9.3</TD><TD>3.59</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>48</TD><TD>Montana</TD><TD>6.2</TD><TD>2.39</TD></TR><TR class=even><TD>49</TD><TD>Wyoming</TD><TD>5.1</TD><TD>1.96</TD></TR><TR class=odd><TD>50</TD><TD>Alaska</TD><TD>1.1</TD><TD>0.42</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
From Wikipedia: Quote:
"Rural flight" as it is called has led to offers of free land and tax breaks as enticements to newcomers.
Quote:
As of 2005, South Dakota has the lowest per capita total state tax rate in the United States.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-50>[51]</SUP> The state does not levy personal or corporate income taxes,<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-51>[52]</SUP> inheritance taxes,<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-52>[53]</SUP> or taxes on intangible personal property. The state sales tax rate is 4 percent.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-53>[54]</SUP> Various localities have local levies so that in some areas the rate is 6 percent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_dakota

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ShirleyUGeste | 04-06-2008 02:08 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by Waylon (Post 1048406) My biological father (who was a Vietnam Veteran and completely despises the government and most other folks also) looked for a place to move with the lowest density of population. I think he is headed off to South Dakota. Hard to believe one square mile can support almost 1,200 folks ... but look at New Jersey. From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_dakota
My God, can you even imagine what would happen if TSHTF and you were competing for precious resources with over 1100 people in a 1 square mile area? Anarchy and death.

lhslancers | 04-06-2008 02:15 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1048746) My God, can you even imagine what would happen if TSHTF and you were competing for precious resources with over 1100 people in a 1 square mile area? Anarchy and death.
In areas of Northern NJ there are a lot of prople per square mile but around these parts there is a ton of room. I can drive ten minutes west or south and be in the total sticks.

ShirleyUGeste | 04-06-2008 02:33 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 1048754) In areas of Northern NJ there are a lot of prople per square mile but around these parts there is a ton of room. I can drive ten minutes west or south and be in the total sticks.
I don't understand. Doesn't that mean that in 10 minutes' time over 1100 people per square mile could be in the total sticks?

UberNoob | 04-06-2008 02:36 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1046585) You don't know what you are missing. A City or County Commissioners meeting in a small southern town is the best damn free entertainment you will ever get. I have been escorted out by the law during several of them...lol
This is absolutely the truth....(I live in Buncombe County)..... I wish noone else would come....

dissident | 04-06-2008 02:40 PM
Re: Best place to live http://pics4.city-data.com/cpicv/vfiles25007.jpg If you don't mind it being cold outside, Maine is the most heavily forested state in the nation and it still has a relatively low population density. The downside.. it's cold there in the winter unless along the ocean, cool summers. The upside.. plenty of rain, close to canadian border... very few mexicans or blacks (just being honest here) plenty of WOOD for burning. No, I don't live there, I got this picture from city-data.com " Maine is the most sparsely populated state east of the Mississippi River. It is called the Pine Tree State; ninety percent of its land is forested. In the forested areas of the interior [contains] much uninhabited land [as well as] some of which does not have formal political organization into local units. The Northwest Aroostook, Maine unorganized territory in the northern part of the state, for example, has an area of 2,668 square miles (6,910 km�) and a population of 27, or one person for every 100 square miles (255 km�). http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Mainecoast.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/co...gnify-clip.png The rocky coast around Kennebunk. Maine is equally well known for its ocean scenery, with almost 3,500 miles (5,600 km) of shoreline[2]. West Quoddy Head is the easternmost piece of land in the contiguous 48 United States. Along the famous rock-bound coast of Maine are lighthouses, beaches, fishing villages, and thousands of offshore islands, including the Isles of Shoals, which straddle the New Hampshire border. Jagged rocks and cliffs and thousands of bays and inlets add to the rugged beauty of Maine's coast. Just inland, by contrast, are lakes, rivers, forests, and mountains. "

Juristic Person | 04-06-2008 03:04 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1048312) From reading many of Juristic Person's posts, I think he'd make a wonderful neighbor.
Thanks Shirley, I appreciate that. :D

lhslancers | 04-06-2008 03:24 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1048768) I don't understand. Doesn't that mean that in 10 minutes' time over 1100 people per square mile could be in the total sticks?
:D It means it isn't crowded around here in the least.I live in what could be called a sub rural area.

Tariq Aziz | 04-06-2008 03:30 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1044549) I've been told that, if you enjoyed "Deliverance," you'll love Tennessee. :wink:
That's crap. Tennessee is not my cup of tea (humid, tornados, too many non-Whites), but the population is friendly and not as stupid as Hollywood claims.

Tariq Aziz | 04-06-2008 03:33 PM
Re: Best place to live It's a pretty good bet that World War III will involve nuclear weapons. Some of them aimed at America. Best place to live? West coast, rural, with no "targets" to the west of you. Washington = Olympic Peninsula, southwest coast. Oregon = entire coast except too close to Portland. California = north and central coasts, but away from San Fransissyco. Or you can just do Alaska.

ShirleyUGeste | 04-06-2008 03:37 PM
Re: Best place to live Which only goes to prove how little I know about New Jersey! I thought it was wall-to-wall suburbs all the way to NYC. Please, pardon my ignorance.:confused_ma:

Rebel Yarr | 04-06-2008 03:40 PM
Re: Best place to live I agree - Washington in General is a great state. I moved up to W Wa about 12 years ago from So Cal - I do not regret it. I lived in the San Juan's for about 8 years then relocated towards Seattle for a better job opportunity after the dot com bust. WA is very diverse and aware politically and socially. I have been considering relocating out to E Wa for a few reasons - primarily being away from all of the strategic military bases around the Pueget Sound - nuclear sub bases ect.. But also for the opportunity to buy some land at a reasonable price and to be a bit farther away from the city - without a dreadful work commute. My only concern is the economy in Spokane. Right now I work for a company that happens to have a large office in Spokane. I might be able to work a transfer - but if things don't work out - I'd like to still attain a decent paying job - as is possible in W WA. I plan to visit in the coming months and get a better feel of things in Spokane.

ShirleyUGeste | 04-06-2008 03:46 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by Tariq Aziz (Post 1048851) It's a pretty good bet that World War III will involve nuclear weapons. Some of them aimed at America. Best place to live? West coast, rural, with no "targets" to the west of you. Washington = Olympic Peninsula, southwest coast. Oregon = entire coast except too close to Portland. California = north and central coasts, but away from San Fransissyco. Or you can just do Alaska.
Anything within 100 miles of Seattle and Portland would make me nervous. Seattle & Portland both -- you better LOVE rain. North California coast, you better really love fog. There is a sweet little town on the northern California coast, just south of Eureka, named Ferndale. Tiny dairy farming community, lots of old Victorian houses, friendly people, within view of the Pacific no matter where you are in town. River runs through it, area is surrounded by redwood forests. Great pot-growing area for those so inclined. My Gramma was the city attorney of Ferndale back in the 50s. I made a brief visit there in 2004, and found a ton of people who still remembered her... in fact the elderly attorney who now occupies her law office took me to lunch to reminisce.

ShirleyUGeste | 04-06-2008 03:50 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by Tariq Aziz (Post 1048851) Or you can just do Alaska.
Ummmm, what would you grow in your survival garden...frozen cod?:no_ma:

Unclad Lad | 04-06-2008 06:47 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
There is a sweet little town on the northern California coast, just south of Eureka, named Ferndale. Tiny dairy farming community, lots of old Victorian houses, friendly people, within view of the Pacific no matter where you are in town. River runs through it, area is surrounded by redwood forests. Great pot-growing area for those so inclined. My Gramma was the city attorney of Ferndale back in the 50s. I made a brief visit there in 2004, and found a ton of people who still remembered her... in fact the elderly attorney who now occupies her law office took me to lunch to reminisce.
Shirley, Most of Northern California, and the parts east of the Sierras, are much more in temperment with their neighbors in Oregon and Nevada, respectively. There are certainly a fair share of hippies, but not the ones who became Yuppies later on. There's an effort every few years to secede from the rest of the state--see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Jefferson --but it never goes anywhere, regrettably. If it did it would be my first choice of states in the Union.

ShirleyUGeste | 04-06-2008 07:05 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by Unclad Lad (Post 1049136) Shirley, Most of Northern California, and the parts east of the Sierras, are much more in temperment with their neighbors in Oregon and Nevada, respectively. There are certainly a fair share of hippies, but not the ones who became Yuppies later on. There's an effort every few years to secede from the rest of the state--see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Jefferson --but it never goes anywhere, regrettably. If it did it would be my first choice of states in the Union.
Yes, I know. I lived in Southern California (LA & San Bernardino) for 20 years, the Central Valley for 30, and Gold Country for 3. My best friend and two of my foster children are currently in Eureka, I have an adopted son in Santa Cruz, one in Frisco, one in San Diego, and nine more scattered throughout the state. As far as I'm concerned the best parts of the state to make a home in are the redwood forests above Santa Cruz, the area around Eureka, and Gold Country. The rest of the state needs to be flushed.... including (sadly) San Francisco, which is my favorite city to visit in the entire world. I have no doubt that my kids, BJ and Lisa, are at the forefront of the "State of Jefferson" movement!

Unclad Lad | 04-06-2008 07:21 PM
Re: Best place to live The towns below Tahoe along 395 down to the border of Kern County are also great places. I would love to live in Lone Pine--it sure as hell didn't feel like California.. Any state of Jefferson would have to include that area, AFAIC. Quote:
Yes, I know. I lived in Southern California (LA & San Bernardino) for 20 years, the Central Valley for 30, and Gold Country for 3.
Where are you now?

ShirleyUGeste | 04-06-2008 07:38 PM
Re: Best place to live Quote:
Originally Posted by Unclad Lad (Post 1049180) The towns below Tahoe along 395 down to the border of Kern County are also great places. I would love to live in Lone Pine--it sure as hell didn't feel like California.. Any state of Jefferson would have to include that area, AFAIC. Where are you now?
Lone Pine, Big Pine, Bishop, Bridgeport, Topaz, Mono, all nice, but not my cup of tea. I don't like the desert, and am not fond of high desert either. Tahoe used to be wonderful (my family had cabins up there for years and years that we spent our summers in) but it isn't much more than an over-built cesspool now. I remember Harvey's Wagon Wheel when it was a one-story building with wooden sidewalks and big picture windows so you could watch the gamblers play the slots! Obviously, I'm older than dirt! I'm in Spokane, Washington now, and loving it. Lots of green, lots of trees, lots of water. Ahhhhhhhhh!

Vendico | 04-06-2008 10:03 PM
Re: Best place to live We could all pitch in a buy a huge plot somewhere in the south east. Few hundred acres should do.

Unclad Lad | 04-07-2008 12:17 AM
Re: Best place to live Ahh, but I love the desert. I've found I beautiful little spot in Western Nevada that I'll buy once the seller becomes a lot more desperate to unload. I've been to Death Valley more than to all the other National Parks combined. Vendico said: Quote:
We could all pitch in a buy a huge plot somewhere in the south east. Few hundred acres should do.
Only 4 posts. Vendico, when you've gotten to know this crew better, you'll realize a few hundred square miles might be too close for this group. We're poster children for the old adage that fences (and distance) make for good neighbors. There are a few here that wouldn't even want to be buried that close to anyone else! Get this group on a few hundred acres and within a month the media will be calling it a "compound" and the ATF will sending in their armored welcome wagon. :wink:

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