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Vendico | 07-26-2008 03:02 PM
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Saul Mine | 07-26-2008 03:13 PM
Re: CNN - Urban Homesteaders That seems like fun when you're young and have more energy than you know what to do with. But young people seldom have the experience to build such a life, and old folks don't have the energy. I wanted to grow a garden when I was a kid, but my older brother kept mowing it because he couldn't tell the garden from the lawn. Now I feel overworked just watering house plants.

Twisted Avatar | 07-26-2008 03:32 PM
Re: CNN - Urban Homesteaders The town is going to be re assesing there property vaule ..... There is too much revenue that is not being adequately taxed(supplying local vendors? not if the state can help it.) Gotta make sure they pay THERE FAIR SHARE. T

Unclad Lad | 07-30-2008 01:22 AM
Re: CNN - Urban Homesteaders But for cities to remain viable, more of that will have to happen.

killer2021 | 07-30-2008 03:04 AM
Re: CNN - Urban Homesteaders Seems like a stupid idea if you asked me especially considering their location. They live in a city. The only reason you live in a city is so you can get access to jobs. If you don't need a job, there is no reason to live in the city. They are better off moving out to a rural location and getting 5x as much land, cleaner water, cleaner air, privacy, no crazy HOA, less cops, few neighbors etc. If they ever want to have a time on the town just get in their biodiesel car and drive to town.

AMforPM | 07-30-2008 03:37 AM
Re: CNN - Urban Homesteaders I think that is how we can use our houses with yards that we have so many of rather than tearing them down and redesigning for the times coming. When they become too old to repair, replacement with underground or partially underground houses, collecting solar energy or rainwater as most current homes can be easily retrofitted to do, but needing less climate control might be good where the water table allows. We enjoy city life for live music, small theater companies and that kind of thing, so there are (for us) other reasons than jobs to not go rural if things do not become too harsh. I don't think they will here.

killer2021 | 07-30-2008 11:52 PM
Re: CNN - Urban Homesteaders Quote:
We enjoy city life for live music, small theater companies and that kind of thing, so there are (for us) other reasons than jobs to not go rural if things do not become too harsh. I don't think they will here.
I am sure most would agree with you. Most city dwellers take it for granted that they live in a relatively safe area. They don't see that eventually we might get to the point where unemployment is high, street gangs run rampant, city services are overloaded (ie police). Just think of all the people living in Detroit. If you asked them 20 years ago they woud say that detroit was going to be the automotive capital of the world forever and that the city would remain good. Well, today Detroit has the highest crime rate there are many abandoned buildings, high unemployment etc. If you value safety you will pack your things and leave. That could happen to your neighborhood too. Don't take it for granted. Just look at this video, I am sure 20 years ago those were neighborhoods with small families living there etc. Now there is nothing but abandoned buildings and burned out structures. That really makes you think. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/T6WKMNmFsxM&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/T6WKMNmFsxM&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

BobS | 07-31-2008 01:06 AM
Re: CNN - Urban Homesteaders Quote:
Originally Posted by killer2021 (Post 1216548) I am sure most would agree with you. Most city dwellers take it for granted that they live in a relatively safe area. They don't see that eventually we might get to the point where unemployment is high, street gangs run rampant, city services are overloaded (ie police). Just think of all the people living in Detroit. If you asked them 20 years ago they woud say that detroit was going to be the automotive capital of the world forever and that the city would remain good. Well, today Detroit has the highest crime rate there are many abandoned buildings, high unemployment etc. If you value safety you will pack your things and leave. That could happen to your neighborhood too. Don't take it for granted. Just look at this video, I am sure 20 years ago those were neighborhoods with small families living there etc. Now there is nothing but abandoned buildings and burned out structures. That really makes you think. -video snipped-
So much BS about Detroit....you really have NO idea what goes on there. Such one sided, biased, "show what you think is the worst" and make ignorant, positively stupid comments about a place you have no idea about. First, There are approximately 900,000 people in the CITY of Detroit. This number has been dwindling since 1967, after the riots. A bit more than 20 years. Second, the City of Detroit has NEVER been the hub of the automotive industry-the suburbs were and more importantly, STILL ARE. Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Ssangyong, Mitsubishi, Porsche, BMW, GAZ, TATRA, as well as the US based Chrysler, General Motors, Ford, ALL have engineering and design centers within 200 miles of the Metro Detroit area that are PRIMARY to the respective company. This does not even count Tier 1 and 2 companies like FANUC, Mitsubishi Electronics, Autoliv, Denso, Tata, heavy duty truck manufacturers Detroit Diesel/Daimler Trucks NA, and others. There is NOWHERE IN THE WORLD that has the concentration of automotive industry, with over 80 percent of the worlds automotive designs, parts, and engineering is originated. Third, the crime rate for the City of Detroit, while bad, is far less than Washington, DC, for example. Check the latest stats. Fourth, your exaggeration of the abandoned homes,etc. has no basis in fact. Or to be precise, your statement "...Now there is nothing but abandoned buildings and burned out structures..." is simply a LIE. Trying to paint the City of Detroit as worse than it is comes from ignorance and stupidity. Walk up to anyone living around the AAM plant in the City of Detroit, as an example (around 7mile south to Holbrook) and repeat what you have "claimed" here as the "truth" and I would guarantee you would, at a minimum, be slapped flat on your backside within a second, and rightfully so. These people have worked hard to make their lives better, while inept and unknowledgable idiots like you are perpetuating lies and trying to minimize these people's efforts to better themselves and their lives. You and your lies are truly sickening.

killer2021 | 07-31-2008 02:13 AM
Re: CNN - Urban Homesteaders Quote:
So much BS about Detroit....you really have NO idea what goes on there. Such one sided, biased, "show what you think is the worst" and make ignorant, positively stupid comments about a place you have no idea about.
I've seen the statistics, the pictures, the satellite photos etc. Quote:
First, There are approximately 900,000 people in the CITY of Detroit. This number has been dwindling since 1967, after the riots. A bit more than 20 years.
That is right. However, I am sure detroit 20 years ago was a lot better than it is today. Quote:
Second, the City of Detroit has NEVER been the hub of the automotive industry-the suburbs were and more importantly, STILL ARE. Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Ssangyong, Mitsubishi, Porsche, BMW, GAZ, TATRA, as well as the US based Chrysler, General Motors, Ford, ALL have engineering and design centers within 200 miles of the Metro Detroit area that are PRIMARY to the respective company. This does not even count Tier 1 and 2 companies like FANUC, Mitsubishi Electronics, Autoliv, Denso, Tata, heavy duty truck manufacturers Detroit Diesel/Daimler Trucks NA, and others. There is NOWHERE IN THE WORLD that has the concentration of automotive industry, with over 80 percent of the worlds automotive designs, parts, and engineering is originated.
Yes, the city's moto is motor city just for the hell of it. Let's do some research on wikipedia's entry on detroit, michigan in the economy section first paragraph. Quote:
Detroit and the surrounding region constitute a major manufacturing center, most notably as home to the Big Three automobile companies, General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler. The city is an important center for global trade with large international law firms having their offices in both Detroit and Windsor. About 80,500 people work in downtown Detroit, comprising 21% of the City's employment.
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Third, the crime rate for the City of Detroit, while bad, is far less than Washington, DC, for example. Check the latest stats.
I haven't looked at the latest crime stats but the bottom line is that Detroit is up there in the top 5. Quote:
Fourth, your exaggeration of the abandoned homes,etc. has no basis in fact. Or to be precise, your statement "...Now there is nothing but abandoned buildings and burned out structures..." is simply a LIE. Trying to paint the City of Detroit as worse than it is comes from ignorance and stupidity. Walk up to anyone living around the AAM plant in the City of Detroit, as an example (around 7mile south to Holbrook) and repeat what you have "claimed" here as the "truth" and I would guarantee you would, at a minimum, be slapped flat on your backside within a second, and rightfully so. These people have worked hard to make their lives better, while inept and unknowledgable idiots like you are perpetuating lies and trying to minimize these people's efforts to better themselves and their lives.
You've got to be kidding me. The AAM plant is like 1 mile from the downtown, 1 mile. Of course that area is going to be in decent shape. You should check out some of these suburban areas that are about 10-25 miles from the CBT. They look like a b52 went through the neighborhood and carpet bombed it. You should check out the area around the detroit airport or the gm assembly plant. I am not saying that the entire city is bad, there are a lot of very decent areas with nice homes. However, the areas that are bad are VERY bad, boarded up windows, many empty lots (from demolished homes). You should check out some of these homes on realtor.com.

BobS | 07-31-2008 02:50 AM
Re: CNN - Urban Homesteaders Quote:
Originally Posted by killer2021 (Post 1216643) I've seen the statistics, the pictures, the satellite photos etc. So what? I have lived and consulted with automotive companies in the Metro area for over 30 years. That is right. However, I am sure detroit 20 years ago was a lot better than it is today. No, it was NOT. It was not until 1995 that things started turning around. That does NOT mean there is not a long way to go-but it is far better than you are CLAIMING. For example, I pay all 8 of my guys a full days pay for 3 days a month to volunteer with Habitat for Humanity to help restore Detroit and help those less fortunate than we are. You are slapping every one of them as useless by continuing your lies and bias. Yes, the city's moto is motor city just for the hell of it. Let's do some research on wikipedia's entry on detroit, michigan in the economy section first paragraph. You really do not even understand basic math, do you. Let's see here.... 81000 people (in round numbers) against a population of 900,000.. yep that is the world's center. Metro only has a population of over 4 million and over 600,000 work in directly related automotive industries. BTW- the word you are trying and failing to use is "motto" not "moto". The motto, "Detroit: The Motor City", has ALWAYS referred to the Metro area, NOT the City of Detroit. Try to get it right. Auburn Hills has more people than the City of Detroit in the industries, Warren has more people than the City of Detroit in the industries, Pontiac has more people than the City of Detroit in the industries....yeah, Wiki is a valid source of information. Try Automotive Industries magazine or Ward's Auto World magazine for real numbers. I haven't looked at the latest crime stats but the bottom line is that Detroit is up there in the top 5. You claimed it was the worst. Now you are admitting you lied before. Good for you. You've got to be kidding me. The AAM plant is like 1 mile from the downtown, 1 mile. Of course that area is going to be in decent shape. You should check out some of these suburban areas that are about 10-25 miles from the CBT. They look like a b52 went through the neighborhood and carpet bombed it. You should check out the area around the detroit airport or the gm assembly plant. I am not saying that the entire city is bad, there are a lot of very decent areas with nice homes. However, the areas that are bad are VERY bad, boarded up windows, many empty lots (from demolished homes). You should check out some of these homes on realtor.com. Try 5 miles, as Fred Sanford would say, "dummy". Can you read a map? Why do you think I called out the street names? You want to see a bad area-go look around the JTE facility on Plymouth Rd. BTW- that GM plant is in HAMTRAMCK, NOT the City of Detroit. The ONLY assembly plant in the city is Chrysler's Jefferson plant. You just keep on lying. I had hopes otherwise.
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