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Avalon | 05-30-2008 09:23 AM
Can Butter and cheese.. Is there anywhere to buy those products locally?

Tn...Andy | 05-30-2008 12:12 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. OK...you do realize when you ask "locally", nobody knows where that is, right ? :D

Mone | 05-30-2008 12:14 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1124926) OK...you do realize when you ask "locally", nobody knows where that is, right ? :D
That's near my house! ;)

Tn...Andy | 05-30-2008 12:16 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. ahahahaaa.....yeah....THAT clarifies it.....

walker10 | 05-30-2008 12:17 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Don't think so Avalon. The only places I've ever seen them were at MRE Depot http://www.mredepot.com/servlet/the-...ter/Categories or Internet-Grocer http://internet-grocer.net/cheese.htm http://internet-grocer.net/butter.htm If you're looking for butter for cooking though, butter powder works very well. Here's an example from Emergency Essentials http://beprepared.com/search.asp?t=ss&ss=butter I've never checked it out, but I've heard some people say that an Indian grocery store carries a product called Ghee (sp?), which is canned (in jars) clarified butter.

walker10 | 05-30-2008 12:18 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1124926) OK...you do realize when you ask "locally", nobody knows where that is, right ? :D
I think Avalon meant, you know, well, in the 'global sense'. :s9::s9::tongue_ma::tongue_ma:

Avalon | 05-30-2008 12:45 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. LOL, I live in the Triangle area of NC...BUT I am not telling you guys where my gold is buried.. :tongue_ma: I was hoping to avoid shipping & handling and dented cans by buying in a store. I thought I remembered someone mentioning they found it at one of the ethnic stores...

Avalon | 05-30-2008 12:49 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Quote:
Originally Posted by walker10 (Post 1124931) Don't think so Avalon. The only places I've ever seen them were at MRE Depot http://www.mredepot.com/servlet/the-...ter/Categories or Internet-Grocer http://internet-grocer.net/cheese.htm http://internet-grocer.net/butter.htm If you're looking for butter for cooking though, butter powder works very well. Here's an example from Emergency Essentials http://beprepared.com/search.asp?t=ss&ss=butter I've never checked it out, but I've heard some people say that an Indian grocery store carries a product called Ghee (sp?), which is canned (in jars) clarified butter.
Walker, I will check and see if we have an Indian store.. This area has a high Hispanic population. I was going to go to the Mexican store and check too.

SilverSmaug | 05-30-2008 01:30 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. I received 12 cans from MRE-depot yesterday with no dented cans. Shipping was $14 (to NC).

Seleukus Nikator | 05-30-2008 02:25 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. start raising goats and you will have plenty

Heimdhal | 05-30-2008 03:21 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Buy mason jars...melt butter to low boil, stiring throughout, pour into mason jars, put lids and rings on, shake as it cools until it solidfies=canned butter. Cheaper than buying it already canned. My average cost of canning the butter is about 1.99-2.25 per 16 oz, as opposed to the nearly 4-5 dollars for a 12 oz commerical can.

Avalon | 05-30-2008 03:28 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimdahl (Post 1125218) Buy mason jars...melt butter to low boil, stirring throughout, pour into mason jars, put lids and rings on, shake as it cools until it solidifies=canned butter. Cheaper than buying it already canned. My average cost of canning the butter is about 1.99-2.25 per 16 oz, as opposed to the nearly 4-5 dollars for a 12 oz commercial can.
how long does it keep and does it need to be refrigerated..?

Avalon | 05-30-2008 03:30 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Seleukos Nikator (Post 1125151) start raising goats and you will have plenty
I wanted a goat but the Family vetoed it. They were afraid I would name it, put a collar on it and let it live in the house.. so they out voted me. :rant: I am going to get some chickens though. My Guinea Hens are cute but totally useless except as watch birds..

nub | 05-30-2008 03:33 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Quote:
Originally Posted by walker10 (Post 1124931) Don't think so Avalon. The only places I've ever seen them were at MRE Depot http://www.mredepot.com/servlet/the-...ter/Categories or Internet-Grocer http://internet-grocer.net/cheese.htm http://internet-grocer.net/butter.htm If you're looking for butter for cooking though, butter powder works very well. Here's an example from Emergency Essentials http://beprepared.com/search.asp?t=ss&ss=butter I've never checked it out, but I've heard some people say that an Indian grocery store carries a product called Ghee (sp?), which is canned (in jars) clarified butter.
Safecastleroyal.com is a great source also for the canned meats , cheese & butter , remember there's a 20% discount for club members and no shipping fees.

nub | 05-30-2008 04:11 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1125230) how long does it keep and does it need to be refrigerated..?
I think making Ghee is a better way to go, it lasts much longer, I've heard a couple horror stories about putting up your own butter but I'm sure those who are succesful at it will swear by this method. Heimy does make it sound easy though..... we should rehash this idea again maybe more info will come out.

Heimdhal | 05-30-2008 04:27 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1125230) how long does it keep and does it need to be refrigerated..?
Apparently, it keeps for years and years, up to or over 5. I've never had any done by myself for 5 years so I can personaly say that I've experienced, but i hear very many positive things. as far as ghee butter, butter would certainly last longer clarified(with out milk solids, etc) but it also is used differently in applications. There are certain aspects to baking in particular where clarified butter would not be very good. It has a lower burning point for one, which means it will brown and burn at much lower temps, and also the fact content and emuslifying properties are changed, which means that in things like breads, sauces, etc it can be very difficult to work with. Im currious as I am semi new to canning butter what the horror stories are though. Other than taking some time out of the day and making a bit of a mess if the bands arent tightened all the way(WHOOPS!) its pretty easy to do. EDIT: Oh, and no, home canned butter does NOT need refridgeration, just keep it cool and dark.

Heimdhal | 05-30-2008 04:39 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Just an aside for those considering it. Heres a break down of cost http://www.mredepot.com/servlet/the-...-butter/Detail MRE depot has the canned butter(from n.z., which really doesnt matter) they have 1 12 0z can of butter for what breaks down to $5 a can(no shipping) My home canned butter I weigh out to(on a scale) 11.10 oz of butter per can(total weight of can is 12.15 with butter for those that wonder) my 11.10 oz can of butter cost me $2.46 worth of butter, $3.25 with cost of jar factored in. Imported Commerical Canned butter= $5 for 12 oz Can Home Canned= $3.25-$3.50 and about an hour of my time. The thing about it is though, that i bought slightly more expensive butter because I got it at a supermarket(publix) where its 3 bucks per pound. If I had felt like waiting and going to a food distributor or to one of my friends of family members that are still working in the food industry, I could get 1 pound blocks for about 1.99, making each can of home canned butter about $2.45 That savings starts to add up. Any one care to break down the cost per oz?

nub | 05-30-2008 07:38 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 1125298) Apparently, it keeps for years and years, up to or over 5. I've never had any done by myself for 5 years so I can personaly say that I've experienced, but i hear very many positive things. as far as ghee butter, butter would certainly last longer clarified(with out milk solids, etc) but it also is used differently in applications. There are certain aspects to baking in particular where clarified butter would not be very good. It has a lower burning point for one, which means it will brown and burn at much lower temps, and also the fact content and emuslifying properties are changed, which means that in things like breads, sauces, etc it can be very difficult to work with. Im currious as I am semi new to canning butter what the horror stories are though. Other than taking some time out of the day and making a bit of a mess if the bands arent tightened all the way(WHOOPS!) its pretty easy to do. EDIT: Oh, and no, home canned butter does NOT need refridgeration, just keep it cool and dark.
Heimy, I could swear someone on the first thread that MightySpuds started about canning butter said they had problems with shelf life or something ,I'de have to check. I'm not knocking canning your own butter....hey whatever works.

Heimdhal | 05-30-2008 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by nub (Post 1125474) Heimy, I could swear someone on the first thread that MightySpuds started about canning butter said they had problems with shelf life or something ,I'de have to check. I'm not knocking canning your own butter....hey whatever works.
TBH, since I am going on what others say in canning books and things like that, i have my own doubts about shelf life. Butter is 80% animal fat and 20% water, together 2 things that general DONT last very long. Which is exactly why I wanted to try it and see. Hell, even if it only last 2 years I consider that good because in 2 years, butter will be 3-4 times as much as it is now. Thats a big reason I can in the first places, to at least begin to lock in the price of foods before big run up occur. Im going to open on of my two month old jars tonight and take a gander, do some baking, experiment, yadda yadd and see. 2 months probably isnt long enough, but its 2 months, un refridgerated, regular butter wouldnt have made it that far ;)

Seleukus Nikator | 06-02-2008 02:18 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. I have never heard the name Heimdallr guardian of Bifrost bridge shortened to "Hymie." That is really a new one on me.

Agua | 06-03-2008 10:52 AM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Quote:
Originally Posted by nub (Post 1125249) Safecastleroyal.com is a great source also for the canned meats , cheese & butter , remember there's a 20% discount for club members and no shipping fees.
Everything I bought from safecastleroyal was about 40% higher than I found elsewhere, except, perhaps, the Big Berkey. In particular, I like the prices for dehydrated food at Mountain Brook Foods, Honeyville Food Products. For canned bacon, butter and cheese, Survival Enterprises has a special going on as well as a supply of Mountain House #10 cans.

Heimdhal | 06-03-2008 12:02 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Seleukus Nikator (Post 1128812) I have never heard the name Heimdallr guardian of Bifrost bridge shortened to "Hymie." That is really a new one on me.
lol, thats true because its never been done. Its a long story. This is about the only name i ever use on forums, on line games, screen names etc. If you see this name elsewhere, its probably me. I've been using it for nearly 8 years now. I used to play in a semi pro on group of on line gamers in a game called Day of Defeat(fps based on WWII) and that is where Heimy popped up since its easier to say over VOIP. It stuck and so here, 8 years later, I still have it :smokin: People who know me as Heimdhal say Heimy or Heim and its easier than typing heimdhal, or the correct heimdahl or Heimdall(another, even longer story) Now you know some history on me. Edit: Another historical note on the name. Its pronounced in the norse as Hame-doll(as in fame) and hence Heimy would be Hame-i ;) But ive been called everything form jack ass to hemmy

Maxine | 06-03-2008 12:09 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Just for reference, there was an earlier thread on here about this home canning of butter issue. http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=250615 I had been going to try this myself but was put off by the warning against trying this that Goddess put up. Making ghee, proper, apparently is safe, but not home canning butter. No one needs to get food poisoning over a bit of butter during TSHTF, use caution. Maxine

Maddie | 06-03-2008 12:17 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Seleukus Nikator (Post 1128812) I have never heard the name Heimdallr guardian of Bifrost bridge shortened to "Hymie." That is really a new one on me.
I have...unless our Heimdallr lives in Georgia, in which case it may be the same one.

Heimdhal | 06-03-2008 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 1130090) I have...unless our Heimdallr lives in Georgia, in which case it may be the same one.
Florida, but most of my old DoD gaming buddies were in georgia!

ShirleyUGeste | 06-03-2008 04:42 PM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 1130078) Its pronounced in the norse as Hame-doll(as in fame) and hence Heimy would be Hame-i ;)
I knew I liked you for a reason! "Thorson" here.

Heimdhal | 06-03-2008 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ShirleyUGeste (Post 1130420) I knew I liked you for a reason! "Thorson" here.
Thats funny, Thorson. My last name is Irish by origin(first name Eric, which is norse) but literaly almost every single branch of my family can be traced in some way back to Denmark and Norway, or in the earlier years, upper Germanica :) The area my family is from in Ireland-settled by the Danish. The english side is through William duke of normandy(which is linked through when we came over on the mayflower, family name Hopkins). The region in italy where my mothers family is from was heavily populated with Danish Merchants and then the rest on my fathers side are all danish sea captins up till the mid 1800's when they became american sea captains! The Thorson bit is funny because the clans that parts of my family have been traced back to(and that was TOUGH!) believed to be, through their religion, earthly decendants of Thor(or Thurisaz in the older religion). Sorry, I dont mean to start a diatribe of my family history, just figured since it came up and questioned were raised in regards to my screen name i figured i may as well explain:wink:

nub | 06-04-2008 12:30 AM
Re: Can Butter and cheese.. Quote:
Originally Posted by Agua (Post 1129954) Everything I bought from safecastleroyal was about 40% higher than I found elsewhere, except, perhaps, the Big Berkey. In particular, I like the prices for dehydrated food at Mountain Brook Foods, Honeyville Food Products. For canned bacon, butter and cheese, Survival Enterprises has a special going on as well as a supply of Mountain House #10 cans.
I respectfully disagree with your findings, safecastle is cheaper or same price (with the membership) on some items you've listed,he is a little weak on selection though....he usually meets others prices if possible after speaking to him. Thanks for the other sources , can never have to many.

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