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rad | 02-05-2008 09:54 PM
U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens Not trying to steal your thread but title is so obscure people won't read it. http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=232849

mdpatriot | 02-06-2008 10:17 AM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens Didnt read the article but as in New Orleans the troops did what they were told to do as most will at all times...something to ponder. mdp

Atahualpa | 02-06-2008 01:02 PM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens U.S. troops will not wholesale shoot Americans...that is my opinion. If any wholesale shooting of Americans started, the soldiers would fracture into factions and start killing each other. It's a slippery slope and I feel confident our volunteer military will not turn on us. The private mercenary armies are another story.

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 02-06-2008 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Atahualpa (Post 955782) It's a slippery slope and I feel confident our volunteer military will not turn on us. The private mercenary armies are another story.
This is my concern as well. When I see so much of the U.S. military deployed overseas on these forever missions - and the armed forces are significantly smaller than they were 15-20 years ago - I wonder if simply sending them anywhere outside of CONUS was the point. After 9.11 NATO military personnel were sent here to cover AWACS and other assignments as our troops were sent to the sandbox. The Mexican Army deployed troops to NOLA and SE Texas after Katrina with Washington's blessing. "Security contractors" roved about NOLA post-Katrina as well. Might these all be viable options for America's rulers if the population becomes agitated or menacing in some/any way? I'm scared to the learn the answer...

DogFarm | 02-06-2008 01:24 PM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens I think the US Civil War answers this question.

Canadian-guerilla | 02-06-2008 01:29 PM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens June 16, 2007 WASHINGTON -- A little-noticed provision in the proposed immigration bill would grant instant legal status and ultimately full citizenship to illegal immigrants if they enlist in the US military, an idea the Pentagon and military analysts say would boost the Pentagon's flagging efforts to find and recruit qualified soldiers http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...h_to_us_dream/ what if the military made up a division of mexican illegals ( with La Raza sentiments ) specifically tailored for Martial Law purposes " join the US army and shoot gringos "

DogFarm | 02-06-2008 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Canadian-guerilla (Post 955822) June 16, 2007 WASHINGTON -- A little-noticed provision in the proposed immigration bill would grant instant legal status and ultimately full citizenship to illegal immigrants if they enlist in the US military, an idea the Pentagon and military analysts say would boost the Pentagon's flagging efforts to find and recruit qualified soldiers http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...h_to_us_dream/ what if the military made up a division of mexican illegals ( with La Raza sentiments ) specifically tailored for Martial Law purposes " join the US army and shoot gringos "
i'd say you'd better start to like tacos, small rat dogs, and getting drunk and shooting your pistols in the air.

Twisted Avatar | 02-06-2008 01:54 PM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens Quote:
Originally Posted by Atahualpa (Post 955782) U.S. troops will not wholesale shoot Americans...that is my opinion. If any wholesale shooting of Americans started, the soldiers would fracture into factions and start killing each other. It's a slippery slope and I feel confident our volunteer military will not turn on us. The private mercenary armies are another story.
The shock troops are chomping at the bit to to light the average america sheep up like christmas tree... mean while they squeeze us into disarment.. This is going to get really nasty over the short term T

Atahualpa | 02-06-2008 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DogFarm (Post 955832) i'd say you'd better start to like tacos, small rat dogs, and getting drunk and shooting your pistols in the air.
Well senor, I already like these things...especially the shooting pistola's in the air...but I no likee no mexicanees coming here for fighting...that's muey mal. Santa Anna already tried that...the result will be the same, mas chico Mexico, mas grande Ustados Unitos. :bandito:

Martian_Time_slip | 02-06-2008 02:10 PM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens Come on. The State might be dumb, but it's not so dumb as to hand a gun to someone and say "Shoot your brother." They didn't do that in Waco, they didn't to it in Columbine, and they didn't do it on 911. They'll tell some lie, like "it's for national security", and say we have to make those citizens comply. Problem-reaction-solution. They did it during Katrina. Problem: looting. Reaction: restore law and order. Solution: beat up grandma and take away everyone's gun while leaving the looters alone. They'll do the same crap if we unite and form our own community outside of the FEMA camps. We're not paying taxes, we're spreading disease with our un-vaccinated cows/chickens, we're enemy combatants, we're right-wing militants, etc; the State wants us to comply and starts pumping out propaganda against us. solution: kill us a la waco style. And the most we'll get from our fellow citizens before they shoot us is a "Oops, sorry, better you than me." These people don't care about right or wrong, liberty and freedom, or goodness and truth. When times are rough, they'll only care about putting bread on the table for them and their family even if that means killing us. Seriously, would you do any different? Black is white, war is peace, slavery is freedom.

Squirrel Bait | 02-06-2008 02:27 PM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens "The United States has had no experience with what is now taking place in the American Southwest...This Hispanization...is sometimes called the Reconquista..."

oroplata | 02-06-2008 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Atahualpa (Post 955782) It's a slippery slope and I feel confident our volunteer military will not turn on us.
I guess that depends on what drugs the bosses slipped into their breakfast the day the SHTF.

Twisted Avatar | 02-06-2008 08:47 PM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens Quote:
Originally Posted by Martian_Time_slip (Post 955872) Come on. The State might be dumb, but it's not so dumb as to hand a gun to someone and say "Shoot your brother." They didn't do that in Waco, they didn't to it in Columbine, and they didn't do it on 911. They'll tell some lie, like "it's for national security", and say we have to make those citizens comply. Problem-reaction-solution. They did it during Katrina. Problem: looting. Reaction: restore law and order. Solution: beat up grandma and take away everyone's gun while leaving the looters alone. They'll do the same crap if we unite and form our own community outside of the FEMA camps. We're not paying taxes, we're spreading disease with our un-vaccinated cows/chickens, we're enemy combatants, we're right-wing militants, etc; the State wants us to comply and starts pumping out propaganda against us. solution: kill us a la waco style. And the most we'll get from our fellow citizens before they shoot us is a "Oops, sorry, better you than me." These people don't care about right or wrong, liberty and freedom, or goodness and truth. When times are rough, they'll only care about putting bread on the table for them and their family even if that means killing us. Seriously, would you do any different? Black is white, war is peace, slavery is freedom.
Dubble bump!! Great synopsis and I fully agree. T

Twisted Avatar | 02-06-2008 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by oroplata (Post 956356) I guess that depends on what drugs the bosses slipped into their breakfast the day the SHTF.
I think there was a story on here about a Big pharma making drugs that once given will make make soliders remorse less. Anybody out there have that link.... T

GreenSpirit | 02-06-2008 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DogFarm (Post 955832) i'd say you'd better start to like tacos, small rat dogs, and getting drunk and shooting your pistols in the air.
Hey, I'm already 50% there. I never did like tacos, though.

buff01 | 02-07-2008 03:24 PM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens Quote:
Originally Posted by Martian_Time_slip (Post 955872) Come on. The State might be dumb, but it's not so dumb as to hand a gun to someone and say "Shoot your brother." They didn't do that in Waco, they didn't to it in Columbine, and they didn't do it on 911. They'll tell some lie, like "it's for national security", and say we have to make those citizens comply. Problem-reaction-solution. They did it during Katrina. Problem: looting. Reaction: restore law and order. Solution: beat up grandma and take away everyone's gun while leaving the looters alone. They'll do the same crap if we unite and form our own community outside of the FEMA camps. We're not paying taxes, we're spreading disease with our un-vaccinated cows/chickens, we're enemy combatants, we're right-wing militants, etc; the State wants us to comply and starts pumping out propaganda against us. solution: kill us a la waco style. And the most we'll get from our fellow citizens before they shoot us is a "Oops, sorry, better you than me." These people don't care about right or wrong, liberty and freedom, or goodness and truth. When times are rough, they'll only care about putting bread on the table for them and their family even if that means killing us. Seriously, would you do any different? Black is white, war is peace, slavery is freedom.
Exactly what I was going to say. It's not a black and white choice for these guys. They will be told that whoever they're supposed to massacre are the BAD GUYS, or even TERRA'ISTS!

MarinePride | 02-07-2008 03:52 PM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens I believe they would. They will be told that you are extremely dangerous, a domestic terrorist or something else to take the edge off of them from doing it. People in the military are expected to follow orders, not challenge them. If you are in the military and don't follow orders, you will have your weapon taken away from you, handcuffed and confined if you are in a combat setting. The rule to remember is this: "Don't expect anyone to do the right thing these days".

JJ_ | 02-07-2008 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DogFarm (Post 955818) I think the US Civil War answers this question.
Well, I'd tend to agree... if folks nowa days had steel balls and REAL backbone.

Twisted Avatar | 02-07-2008 06:01 PM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens Quote:
Originally Posted by MarinePride (Post 957745) I believe they would. They will be told that you are extremely dangerous, a domestic terrorist or something else to take the edge off of them from doing it. People in the military are expected to follow orders, not challenge them. If you are in the military and don't follow orders, you will have your weapon taken away from you, handcuffed and confined if you are in a combat setting. The rule to remember is this: "Don't expect anyone to do the right thing these days".
Dubble bump!!! Sad but true T

Tallships | 02-07-2008 06:14 PM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens Someone I know was one of those marines, and he told me about this a long time ago. When I put on my tinfoil thinking cap, my guess is that when this confiscation effort takes place, most American troops will be in foreign lands, and they will use foreign U.N. troops to kick down our doors just like our troops are doing in Iraq.:banghead:

Silver Shield | 02-07-2008 06:58 PM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens I can only speak as a former Marine NCO that if my officer told me to shoot civilians, I would have my entire platoon take care of him before them. Just following orders is not an excuse.

Twisted Avatar | 02-07-2008 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Silver Shield (Post 958042) I can only speak as a former Marine NCO that if my officer told me to shoot civilians, I would have my entire platoon take care of him before them. Just following orders is not an excuse.
That is commendable.....but is is gonna land you right in the hopper!!!You disobey orders you better be prepared to walk away from everything......better yet RUN..as they will probally put a bounty on your head for being a "sympathsizer' Hard choices lay ahead for all of us for sure T

gunner | 02-07-2008 07:21 PM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallships (Post 957975) Someone I know was one of those marines, and he told me about this a long time ago. When I put on my tinfoil thinking cap, my guess is that when this confiscation effort takes place, most American troops will be in foreign lands, and they will use foreign U.N. troops to kick down our doors just like our troops are doing in Iraq.:banghead:
That'll be interesting. The flip side to the coin is "will American citizens be will ing to shoot US soldiers"? The majority would say no but the answer might be different if it's Russian or Chinese troops breaking down doors, trying to force your family into a FEMA camp.

Noble | 02-29-2008 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 957950) Well, I'd tend to agree... if folks nowa days had steel balls and REAL backbone.
Yup, 15 months in an OEF or OIF rotation is a piece of cake. :sarc:

latemetal | 03-01-2008 09:50 PM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens American troops have always been ready to shoot American people, it goes back along ways. Whisky rebellion, civil war, mining massacres, and Kent State to name a few.:thumpdown

CQC McDuck | 03-01-2008 11:28 PM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens Quote:
Originally Posted by Martian_Time_slip (Post 955872) Come on. The State might be dumb, but it's not so dumb as to hand a gun to someone and say "Shoot your brother." They didn't do that in Waco, they didn't to it in Columbine, and they didn't do it on 911. They'll tell some lie, like "it's for national security", and say we have to make those citizens comply. Problem-reaction-solution. They did it during Katrina. Problem: looting. Reaction: restore law and order. Solution: beat up grandma and take away everyone's gun while leaving the looters alone. They'll do the same crap if we unite and form our own community outside of the FEMA camps. We're not paying taxes, we're spreading disease with our un-vaccinated cows/chickens, we're enemy combatants, we're right-wing militants, etc; the State wants us to comply and starts pumping out propaganda against us. solution: kill us a la waco style. And the most we'll get from our fellow citizens before they shoot us is a "Oops, sorry, better you than me." These people don't care about right or wrong, liberty and freedom, or goodness and truth. When times are rough, they'll only care about putting bread on the table for them and their family even if that means killing us. Seriously, would you do any different? Black is white, war is peace, slavery is freedom.
Agreed, and nice George Orwell reference at the end. :wink:

EE_ | 03-02-2008 12:24 AM
Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens I don't believe for a second US soldiers will shoot their own people, nor would American citizens shoot soldiers! However...I believe the police wouldn't hesitate to shoot citizens. Right now cops are out in force screwing citizens by ticketing for any offense to make up for city and state budget shortfalls. Public servents my ass! The majority of police are egomaniacs with something to prove. They love the power they have over the common guy. I'm not saying that thay don't have a purpose, just that they abuse their power. I personally never needed a cop in my life and would venture to say most people don't view the police as their friend. Any opinions?

oroplata | 03-02-2008 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by EE_ (Post 990760) I don't believe for a second US soldiers will shoot their own people
Cough, hack, Pat Tillman.

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