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Ryedale | 08-16-2009 12:04 AM
Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread There have been many treads discussing the Swine Flu. This thread was started in the interest of keeping all pertinent information in one area.

Drumblebum | 08-16-2009 12:14 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Thank you... I will be a regular visitor, and contribute when I can.

Canadian-guerilla | 08-16-2009 11:11 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Doctors told to watch for GBS during Swine Flu vaccination programme Sunday, August 16, 2009 Doctors are being urged to watch for cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome, a rare nerve disorder, as the new swine flu vaccine is introduced in October. Guillain-Barre syndrome which attacks the nervous system and can cause paralysis and death is linked to infections like flu but it has also been suggested a previous swine flu vaccine had caused cases of the disease in America in the 1970s. American officials rushed out a vaccine in 1976 following an outbreak of swine flu in military barracks. Around 40million people received the vaccine but doctors reported an increase Guillain-Barre and 25 people had died before the immunisation programme was stopped. It is not known for sure whether the vaccine or the flu was responsible and the current H1N1 swine flu jabs due to be introduced in Britain in October are very different to the version used thirty years ago, Government scientists have said. However specialist doctors here are being urged to report every case of Guillain-Barre syndrome to the Health Protection Agency so the circumstances of each patient can be investigated. Sources told the Daily Telegraph that experts are not expecting to spot any cases linked to the vaccinations. They added that because Guillain-Barre can be caused by infections like flu, the new programme may in fact establish that vaccinations actually protect against the syndrome. The syndrome affects around 1,500 people a year in the Britain. A Health Protection Agency spokesman said enhanced surveillance was �routine� when introducing a new vaccine and all manner of potential side effects are monitored. More than 13 million people in Britain, including people with severe asthma, diabetes, heart disease, kidney disease or with a compromised immune system will get the jab from October. Pregnant women and frontline health and social care workers will also be offered the jab. The seasonal flu vaccination programme will continue as normal. The spokesman said: �Guillain-Barre syndrome has long been identified as a potential adverse event that would require enhanced surveillance following the introduction of a pandemic vaccine but there is no evidence to suggest there is an increased risk of Guillain-Barre syndrome from this vaccine.� He said there was also no increased risk of the syndrome associated with the seasonal flu vaccine. �Establishing enhanced surveillance on Guillain-Barre syndrome has always been part of our pandemic plan because there is an increased risk of this disease after a flu-like illness. �HPA is working in collaboration with the Association of British Neurologists Surveillance Unit (BNSU) and the British Paediatric Surveillance Unit (BPSU) who will ask clinicians to report each month whether they have seen any cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome.� However critics have said the fact doctors are being told to report cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome is evidence that the authorities are concerned. Jackie Fletcher of the campaign group, Jabs, added: �What we�ve got is a massive guinea-pig trial.� A Department of Health spokesman said: �The European Medicines Agency has strict processes in place for licensing pandemic vaccines. �In preparing for a pandemic, appropriate trials to assess safety and the immune responses have been carried out on vaccines very similar to the swine flu vaccine. The vaccines have been shown to have a good safety profile.< �It is extremely irresponsible to suggest that the UK would use a vaccine without careful consideration of safety issues. The UK has one of the most successful immunisation programmes in the world.� http://refreshingnews9.blogspot.com/...-guillain.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-16-2009 08:19 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread for fans of Mike Adams / Natural News H1N1 Swine Flu Scenarios: Best Case, Worst Case Predictions NaturalNews) When it comes to swine flu, the public predictions are all over the map: On one hand, governments don't want you to be so worried that you start to panic and stay home from work, but they want you to be worried enough to submit to a vaccine injection. Beyond the vaccine propaganda and the WHO's agenda to prop up the profits of drug companies by seizing control of the intellectual property of influenza viruses, what's really likely to happen this year as the virus spreads? Here, I present some educated guesses on the best case / worst case scenarios we may see unfold with the H1N1 swine flu pandemic. Best Case, Worst Case for your kids in public schools Best Case: A few sneezers at school get isolated or masks are slapped on their faces. Infections are mild and deaths are few. Worst Case: Mutating strains of the swine flu storm like a wildfire through the public school system, infecting tens of millions of children, killing tens of thousands, and shuttering the school system for much of the 2009 / 2010 school year. Likely Case: (By "likely" I mean my own educated guess on roughly what seems to be the more probable outcome.) Some schools close due to spreading influenza, but most stay open. Lots of children are infected, but more children are seriously harmed by the vaccines than by the virus itself. Best Case, Worst Case for the H1N1 swine flu severity Best Case: The flu remains mild, killing no more people than season flu (which the CDC claims kills 30,000 Americans a year). Worst Case: The flu quickly mutates to become resistant to both Tamiflu and the vaccines being given to people. It ramps up through December then hits hard in January and February when most people are vitamin D deficient. Over a billion people around the world become infected, and millions die. Likely Case: While this is a very difficult prediction to make, I wouldn't be surprised to see worldwide infections exceed one billion people. The total number of deaths is a wildcard. One million deaths worldwide from swine flu over the next two winters is not an unreasonable estimate based on historical accounts of pandemics. Best Case, Worst Case for the Swine Flu Vaccine Best Case: The vaccine performs as advertised by Big Pharma, protecting people from swine flu infections while harming no one. Worst Case: The vaccine is worse than the swine flu itself. Rather than protecting people, it causes the death of many thousands (or even millions, if you subscribe to the population control theory on swine flu vaccines). Likely Case: In my view, the vaccine itself is a real wildcard here. Testing has been extremely limited, and no long-term testing will be conducted at all before it is injected into people. The vaccine will most likely cause a few short-term deaths (people dying within 48 hours, for example), but the real issue may be the long-term risks of the vaccine. What happens six months later? Will it cause paralysis in some people? Will it harm immune system function or damage vital organs in a way that could not be detected in the short-term? That's what I think the real risk is with the vaccine: What it does to you over time (if you survive the first 48 hours). Best Case, Worst Case for the infrastructure of society Best Case: Zero disruptions. A few people get sick, but they sleep it off and return to work. The power, water, public safety, food supplies and other key infrastructure components remain fully intact, barely skipping a beat. Worst Case: Mad Max. Total collapse of complex society. The number of sick people surpasses a tipping point, leading to critical failures that cascade into larger failures. Before long, the complexity of modern society unravels, collapsing into a simpler society, along with a huge reduction in population from starvation and disease. Likely Case: Temporary but serious disruptions in early 2010 as swine flu infections peak, sending a significant portion of the workforce home to recover. Expect random, local service outages and unpredictable delays in the delivery of food, fuel, and other essentials. Eventually, however, society will recover from the pandemic and go on to face other crises (such as the demise of the U.S. dollar and the looming debt crisis). Best Case, Worst Case for hospitals and health care Best Case: Few infections mean hospitals have plenty of capacity. The anti-viral drugs work well and the vaccines work as intended. Worst Case: Hospitals overflow with the dead as local school gymnasiums are requisitioned for use as makeshift morgues (a la 1918). Hospitals become death zones where the virus spreads (and mutates). The virus quickly acquires immunity to Tamiflu while further mutations outflank all available vaccines. People attempting to enter hospitals are simply sent home to die. Likely Case: Hospitals are stressed to near-breaking point status as infected patients flood into emergency rooms worldwide. Anti-viral drugs remain in short supply while hospitals become seriously short-staffed due to workers becoming infected themselves. Public service messages are aired to encourage infected patients to stay home and avoid flooding emergency rooms. How to make it better for you in any case Regardless of whether the "best case" or "worst case" scenario materializes (or something in between), note carefully that there is nothing mentioned here that you cannot survive if you're well prepared. Simply boosting your own health through the use of vitamin D, superfoods and targeted nutritional supplements can greatly increase your ability to stay off the "victim" lists and remain in control of your own health destiny. You can also insulate yourself against potential infrastructure failures quite easily through basic preparedness measures (food, water, heat, shelter, etc.) Check out our courses on pandemic preparedness to learn more on that topic: http://www.truthpublishing.com/Swin... and this audio program with Dr. Sheldon Marks: http://www.truthpublishing.com/Prod... Simple preparedness will help keep you safe, healthy and confident no matter what the swine flu pandemic brings. That's the real message here: Be prepared, not scared! Plan for things in advance and they won't bite you back. The coming H1N1 pandemic is no different: It's something you can see well in advance. So plan for it, and you most likely won't be surprised and harmed by it. When the virus surges this fall, nobody can honestly claim "I didn't know!" Everybody knows it's coming. Yet the vast majority will do nothing to prepare, blindly putting their trust and faith in a failed health care system that only seeks to extract profit from the pandemic rather than actually teaching people how to get healthy enough to survive on their own. Don't be part of the "do nothing" crowd. Prepare now, and you'll thank your living, breathing self later. Hopefully, after the winter of 2009 / 2010, we can all take a look back at articles like this one and say thank goodness the worst case scenario never unfolded. http://www.naturalnews.com/026837_sw..._pandemic.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-16-2009 08:53 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread How Will Swine Flu Affect ( Florida ) Storm Shelters? ORLANDO -- As Florida emergency managers watch the movement of tropical weather on both sides of the state, concerns are rising about how the H1N1 swine flu virus will affect their shelter operations. Leaders from Emergency Management, the Health Department and the Red Cross have been in talks for a few weeks. They said they have discussed different ideas on how to handle the potential problem. Although no official decisions have made, emergency managers said they would need to keep anyone with swine flu in a separate area of the shelter. Leaders said they do not want people to be afraid to come to the shelters. http://www.cfnews13.com/Health/YourH...shelters.html#

Canadian-guerilla | 08-16-2009 09:01 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread for any parents - does your childs school have a flu plan ? ﻿NYC schools prepare for 2nd outbreak of swine flu At St. Francis Preparatory School this fall, the auditorium will double as a sick room. New York City might make students wash their hands several times a day. There will be unit on swine flu in health class. In the weeks after the swine flu outbreak that began at the Queens parochial school, New York City became a viral epicenter and focus of the nation's fears of the illness, sickening as many as 1 million, killing 47 people and closing dozens of public and private schools. While educators and health officials decide how best to ward off a stronger strain of the virus in the fall, St. Francis Assistant Principal Patrick McLaughlin said his students may have already learned from experience to be vigilant. He already noticed the changes: Sharing water bottles at school suddenly became a major transgression. And in 25 years of teaching health class, McLaughlin had never seen students get so excited about communicable diseases. "I don't want them to come to school being afraid," McLaughlin says, standing by neat rows of empty classroom chairs. "But I do want that awareness ... that knowledge, that it's out there. It could come back. Be ready for it." No one wants to call the city's outbreak a blessing, but the spring's out-of-season flu invasion did provide a peculiar kind of gift. Now New York City's Health Department and schools are trying to take advantage of the lead time _ preparing for a fall season that is expected to be even worse. The details of the city's swine flu plan are still being finalized by a Health Department panel. And like St. Francis Prep, the city's public schools are largely waiting to follow the lead of the agency, which hopes to have its recommendations by the first day of school, said Health Commissioner Dr. Thomas Farley. The wait for a plan is taking too long for Cathy Cahn, Parent-Teachers' Association president at P.S. 205, who says Mitchell Weiner, the assistant principal who became the city's first swine flu fatality, was a friend. "How easily that could happen in any building," she said. "I would like to know: How are we going to keep our kids healthy?" Weiner's family has since filed court papers saying they plan to sue the city, claiming it was negligent in its response to the outbreak and that schools established no procedures for coping with the illness. The mayor has said the city did nothing wrong. Farley warned the fall will likely be worse than the surprise round of illnesses in the spring. But with any luck, the new flu season will simply be a matter of more people sick _ not more people sicker than anyone was before. "Most people can recover on their own, alone at home," Farley said. "And then they should stay home so they don't spread the infection to others." There are signs that students have already learned lessons the hard way about spreading the virus. Like many of her classmates at St. Francis, Abby Opam's early brush with swine flu likely left her immune to any fall outbreak _ but the experience has changed how she's looking at her first year of college at New York University. "Instead of going there for a few hours during the school day, you're going to be surrounded by kids all the time, living in a dorm," she said. "I'm being more careful to not, like, share drinks or, you know, get too touchy with people _ especially with so many new people from different parts of the country." Federal officials have said the nation's schools should only close as a last resort this year. Closings at dozens of schools last year kept thousands of children at home; officials worried about the burden on working parents who had to arrange impromptu child care or stay home with their kids. Previously, those struck ill were advised to stay home for a week after their fever broke. But this school year, children will be told they can return to school 24 hours after their fever is gone and they're feeling better. St. Francis Prep is planning a health assembly for its 2,700 students at the start of the year to impart the basics: Wash your hands. Don't share drinks and utensils. If you get sick, stay home. School officials are determined not to repeat the scene of feverish students lined up by the dozen in hallways outside the school nurse's office, coughing on healthy students who were walking from class to class. So the school's auditorium has been assigned special status as a sick room. Officials are still contemplating whether enough vaccination shots are available for all the city's schoolchildren. If so, Farley says, the Health Department would prefer that family doctors handle students' inoculations, although flu clinics in schools are also a possibility. Schools might also institute routine checks, Farley said, asking students whether they are experiencing fever or respiratory symptoms, then putting them in a designated room until they can be picked up by their parents. The panel that's determining the finer points of city policy even considered requiring students to wash their hands several times a day, said Dr. Isaac Weisfuse, the city's flu coordinator who is heading up the team. But the measure hasn't been adopted yet because the panel wants to give schools discretion to choose policies that work best for them, he said. At St. Francis, where fluorescent corridor lights reflect brightly off the newly waxed and buffed hallways, administrators are waiting to start a fresh year. They're prepared with extra equipment this time around. After the chaos of last year, the school received donated sterilization equipment, and the school nurse bought touch-forehead thermometers to make mass triage easier. And McLaughlin, the assistant principal, has at least one virus-related development to look forward to. He's planning an entire unit in health class based around swine flu. http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Nationa...swine_flu.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-16-2009 09:28 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Officials lower expectations for size of first novel flu vaccine deliveries Aug 14, 2009 (CIDRAP News) � Federal officials today during a pandemic H1N1 planning update dialed back the number of novel flu vaccine doses they expect in October from 120 million to 45 million, listing several reasons for the smaller projection. During a late July meeting of a federal immunization advisory panel, which targeted 159 million people to receive the first doses, authorities projected that 120 million doses would be available in October, with another 80 million per month in the following months. However, during a National Biodefense Safety Board (NBSB) teleconference today, Dr. Robin Robinson, director of the Biological Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) at the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), said the latest expectation is 45 million doses by mid October, with manufacturers delivering 20 million doses per week after that. He said the revised estimate is based on several factors expected to slow vaccine delivery from manufacturers. Health officials have already acknowledged that yields of the novel H1N1 antigen are less than for the seasonal flu vaccine. Robinson also said vaccine makers have a limited number of fill-and-finish sites, which are just completing seasonal flu vaccine production, but that federal officials are looking for ways to maximize the current capacity. CSL Biotherapies, an Australian company that is one of the five manufacturers making pandemic H1N1 vaccine for the US market, has a contractual obligation to produce vaccine first for its home country, Robinson said. Because Australia is in the midst of the Southern Hemisphere's flu season, the United States will work with CSL to ensure that it can deliver vaccine doses to both countries. Another factor that has added to the delay in ramping up production of the novel flu vaccine is that one of the companies making seasonal flu vaccine is having problems finishing up production so that it can clear the decks to make novel flu vaccine, Robinson said. The delay has impacted vaccine timelines by 4 to 6 weeks, he said. A new seed strain developed to replace the slower-growing strain in lab studies looks like it will produce better novel H1N1 antigen yields that are on par with those for the seasonal vaccine, Robinson said, adding that federal officials will be working with manufacturers over the next 2 weeks to see if the improved yields are also seen in commercial production. In an update on the nation's antiviral stockpiles, Robin said that 84 million treatment courses are currently in federal and state stockpiles and that 3 million more doses are expected soon. He projected that a total of 100 million antiviral treatment courses will be available this fall, but he added that only a small amount will be available commercially. Federal officials are currently discussing if the experimental antiviral drug peramivir should be allowed under an emergency use authorization (EUA) for treating critically ill seasonal or novel flu patients. He said a final decision would be made soon. Peramivir, a neuraminidase inhibitor developed by BioCryst Pharmaceuticals, can be given by intravenous (IV) or intramuscular (IM) routes. Phase 2 study results of the drug were disappointing. However, the company announced in mid July that initial phase 3 study of an IV version of the drug conducted in Asia showed that the drug was safe and well tolerated. During the comment part of the meeting, some of the NBSB board members and members of the public expressed concerns about the current lack of an IV or IM antiviral treatment, urging officials to strongly consider approving an EUA for peramivir. http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/con...09vaccine.html i wonder if the sheeple will panic because they're NOT GETTING their flu shot in time ?

Canadian-guerilla | 08-16-2009 09:41 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Silent Spread of Tamiflu Resistant Pandemic H1N1 Confirmed Recombinomics Commentary 14:26 August 15, 2009 A Health Ministry spokesperson said that the isolated case involved a patient who fell sick towards the end of May and was admitted to hospital for isolation and treatment. The patient was infected by a Tamiflu-susceptible strain of the virus and treated with Tamiflu. The resistant strain emerged during treatment and was detected through laboratory testing but by then the patient had already improved clinically. The above comments provide additional detail on the first confirmed case of Tamiflu resistance in a swine pandemic H1N1 case. The H274Y was identified in an NA sequence, A/Singapore/57/2009, which was recently deposited by the CDC, along with the HA and MP sequences. All three were clearly from the swine H1N1 pandemic strain, but the presence of H274Y in NA signaled oseltamivir resistance. The sample was from a 28F and was collected May 30, consistent with the description of the above Health Ministry spokesperson. The MOH website provided a great deal of detail on the initial confirmed cases and contacts. The first confirmed case was May 27, and the third confirmed case matched the description associated with Singapore/57. The only 28F confirned patient ib Singapore in late May / early June was an American who was working in Singapore, She arrived from Honolulu via Tokyo on a flight that arrive just before midnight (23:53) on the night of May 26. Although she did not feel well during the flight, she was not detected by the fever scanners at the airport. However, the next she was transported by ambulance and arrive at the hospital in the afternoon of the 27th, and tested H1N1 positive on the afternoon (16:10) of the 28th. The NA sequence from the 28th has not been made public, but the comments above indicate the sample was Tamiflu sensitive, It is not clear if treatment began the 27th (upon admission to the hospital), or the 28th, following confirmation of H1N1, because the MOH website does not mention Tamiflu treatment. The patient was described as having a mild case, and was discharged May 31st. However, the sample collected on May 30th had H274Y, which was 3 days after admission or 2 days after confirmation, indicating the H274Y was silently spreading since it was not detected in the May 28th sample. Detection in the May 30th sample indicates that the H274Y was already present in May 28, but not detected, based on the comments by the spokesperson above, supporting silent spread which is detected in samples collected after Tamiflu treatment. Although the May 28th sample was Tamiflu sensitive, the May 30th sample had H274Y in the NA sequence, as well as a polymorphism in the HA sequence that was subsequently detected in California and New York in the US, as well as Guangdong Province in China, Mexico City, Stockholm, and the first fatal case in Sao Paulo, Brazil (see list here), raising concerns of silent spread of H274Y worldwide. The presence of H274Y in a minor species would explain the failure to find H274Y in the above locations, but its presence just below the detection level in untreated patient may explain the recent increases in fatalities. Agencies have repeatedly cited the lack of H274Y detection, leading to the widespread use of Tamiflu in H1N1 in positive cases, including the two immuno-suppressed patents in the state of Washington, where H274Y was detected for the first time in the United States. In those two patients H274Y was not detected until the patients either had a reoccurrence of symptoms or a failure to respond to treatment. The resistance was found in August, even though both patients developed resistance weeks or months earlier. These detection delays and recent reports of patients, who were resistant in May and June, raise concern that the number of samples with H274Y is significantly higher that the 11 confirmed cases thus far. Media reports have described in at least one patient in Thailand, and earlier media reports described multiple cases in Texas along the Mexican border. However, the detection of H274Y in the sample collected a few days after the start of treatment in the patient in Singapore suggests the actual incidence is much higher than the reported or withheld cases described by WHO, and a more intense screening program is critical, especially of samples collected after the start of osletamivir treatment and the increasingly common fatal cases. http://www.recombinomics.com/News/08...Confirmed.html Tamiflu-resistant swine flu case detected ( Hong Kong ) http://www.news.gov.hk/en/category/h...814en05006.htm Singapore, China find Tamiflu-resistant H1N1 viruses: WHO http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/680265

Canadian-guerilla | 08-16-2009 09:49 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Scott Robson lost flu battle after 12 hours August 16, 2009 12:00am LESS than 12 hours after being taken to hospital, a beloved central Queensland husband and dad died of swine flu last weekend. Now his grieving family is warning those suffering flu symptoms to seek medical attention rather than just hoping the symptoms will eventually go away Scott Robson, 41, of Ilbilbie, died in Mackay Hospital last Sunday. He had no underlying medical conditions, his family said, and his death came just five days after the fit, keen fisherman and motorbike rider began displaying flu-like symptoms. He left behind a wife, Janine, and daughters Georgia, 16, and Dannielle, 14. The family said Mr Robson decided to tough out his flu symptoms rather than seeking medical advice. They believe that decision cost him his life. They are also blaming Queensland Health for a campaign suggesting those most at risk from swine flu are only patients with diabetes, obesity or heart problems. Mr Robson did not fit into any of those categories. They want Queensland Health to revise its warnings. Mrs Robson, an aged care nurse, said her husband first started displaying flu-like symptoms on Wednesday, August 5. "He just had a bit of a cough. It was nothing different to what you might treat yourself with a cold and flu tablet for," she said. "I don't remember him having to blow his nose or anything." By Thursday, however, tiredness had set in and Mr Robson spent most of the day inside watching DVDs � highly unusual according to his family. On Friday, he came home after helping a mate and said he was going to have a sleep. Early Sunday morning his condition rapidly worsened and he began having trouble breathing. He asked his wife to call an ambulance about 5am. "He walked himself to the ambulance," daughter Georgia said. Mrs Robson said paramedics put Mr Robson on oxygen. "His stats were coming up to almost 95 per cent (oxygen saturation) so it just seemed like he would probably go in and have treatment and then come home," she said. Mrs Robson drove the girls back to their boarding school in Rockhampton and expected to see her husband at home soon. But, while enroute, Mr Robson was being rushed from Sarina to the Mackay Hospital's intensive care unit. He was placed in an induced coma about lunchtime. Mrs Robson said the hospital called her about 4.30pm telling her she should come as soon as she could. Scott had died by the time she arrived. "I still feel numb," Mrs Robson said on Friday. A funeral will be held for Mr Robson this week. http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/s...9-3102,00.html would doctors/Big Pharma kill patients on purpose to further their profit/agenda ? [ /tinfoil hat off ]

reviver | 08-16-2009 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Canadian-guerilla (Post 1871797) LESS than 12 hours after being taken to hospital, a beloved central Queensland husband and dad died of swine flu last weekend. Scott Robson, 41, of Ilbilbie, died in Mackay Hospital last Sunday. He had no underlying medical conditions, his family said, and his death came just five days after the fit, keen fisherman and motorbike rider began displaying flu-like symptoms. would doctors/Big Pharma kill patients on purpose to further their profit/agenda ?
Yes, in some few cases, I do believe your query would be correct... As a general policy, no... But as you well illustrate, the fear is ramping up... Prepare to be afraid... And line up here for the cure...

Canadian-guerilla | 08-16-2009 10:32 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread and for fans of Dr Tenpenny How To Legally Say 'NO' To All Vaccines Amazon Amazon http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/im...20vaccines.jpg Millions of Americans have come to distrust vaccines and mainstream medicine's vaccine agenda. There is a growing movement in this country and around the world that questions the safety and effectiveness of all vaccines for obvious reasons. Many childhood disorders such as autism, ADD/ADHD, SIDS and others have been linked to vaccines. Thousands of soldiers who served in the military have been severely disabled or in some cases even died after receiving their mandated shots. Vaccines are the most controversial subject in all of medicine. The standard line heard from most parents once their eyes are open to the risks of vaccines is, "How will I get my child into day care or in school without their shots." Those working in the healthcare field or soldiers in the military are faced with similar questions. To help educate the people further about how to legally avoid all vaccines, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny has put together a brand new book that is absolutely necessary to have in your possession if you or a loved one don't want to vaccinate but are not sure how to get around it. As Dr. Tenpenny says on the back cover of her book, "Saying No To Vaccines is not intended to be a balanced view of vaccination literature. Pro-vaccine information is readily accessible through the American Academy of Pediatrics, the CDC, healthcare and government-sponsored organizations. This book balances the debate." Below is a copy of an interview Crusador editor Greg Ciola conducted with Dr. Tenpenny shortly after the release of her new book. Crusador: What was the impetus for writing your new book "Saying NO To Vaccines"? Parents needed a tool that did their homework for them. The evidence is there to support their decision to not vaccinate; you just have to do a little work to find it. Everyone seems to be so afraid of "bugs" and their potential ability to make us sick. But the reality is that we swim in "bugs" every day and we are not dropping over like flies.. The only "bugs" we seem to obsess over are associated with vaccines. Only two generations ago, measles, mumps and chickenpox were normal experiences of childhood. Why we have complete fear of these infections is media and money driven and unfounded. If the focus of Public Health was on sleep, exercise, clean water and safe, non-GMO food, we would have a healthy society without vaccinesbut we would not have billion dollar industries employing millions of people to keep us "healthy." The fact is, we are a very UNhealthy society with vaccines, so the Public health and argument that we must vaccinate 'for greater good' is a failure. I put a large body of research into my first book, FOWL! and my two DVDS, documenting the dangers of vaccination. "Saying No To Vaccines" was the next logical step. It answers the question, "I've decided not to vaccinate, now what do I do?" Crusador: What are some of the issues you cover in the book that aren't covered in your two DVD's "Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices" and "Vaccines: What CDC Documents and Science Reveal"? There is very little overlap between Saying No to Vaccines and the DVDs. The foundational premise of the book is to give answers refuting the 25 most common arguments used to promote vaccination. For example, parents are often told the vaccine-preventable diseases of childhood can be serious and if their child is not vaccinated, their child could die. I tell them how to refute that argument and give documentation from the medical literature to demonstrate that statement is nothing more than fear mongering. Parents are told by pediatricians there is "no evidence that vaccination harms the immune system" and there is "no evidence that vaccination can lead to chronic disease." I used the medical literature to prove the opposite is true. Crusador: What are the most common questions you get about vaccines? The most frequently-asked question I get is about vaccination exemption, meaning, "How do I refuse the vaccine and still get my kids into school or keep my job," so by design a large part of the book covers exemptions. I included a lot of detail on how to avoid vaccinations for school situations, including college, professional situations where a job may require certain vaccines, if you are in a nursing home, foreign adoption, the military, even if you are incarcerated. I have also included a chapter on frequently- asked questions about vaccination. Saying No To Vaccines has an entire section on "most frequently asked questions." Crusador: There is a huge divide in this country between those who think you should vaccinate versus those who feel you shouldn't. The majority is still on the side of thinking that vaccines are THE answer to long-term immunity. When you do speaking engagements or radio interviews or simply talk to a pregnant woman about the need to question the safety of vaccines further, how do you present your information to make someone think twice? Even though I strongly believe that vaccines cause more harm than the "good" they supposedly do, it is important for people to see the evidence of harm � from a scientific perspective � and not just take my word for it. All of my information, every slide and every paragraph in my book, is referenced from a highly reputable medical journal or from the Centers for Disease Control, the CDC. People can see for themselves the one-sided, biased view of the vaccine industry, promoting that vaccines are "safe" and "protective." Almost 100% of the time, once people pull back the veil and see the rest of the story, they know that vaccination is not what the drug companies claim it to be. Crusador: Do you feel that there is such a thing as a "safe" vaccine? If there isn't, how do you counter the mainstream medical mentality that vaccines may not be entirely without risks, but those risks are far less than the risks we would face without vaccines at all? I really felt that parents needed strong answers for when they decided to not vaccinate. Very few people are willing to say something. The risk of the vaccine is greater than the risk of the disease. The "Green Our Vaccines" movement was partially behind the reason I wrote this book. Many activists, people with very good intentions, hedge and put their support behind "safer" vaccines which are a chemical impossibility. People just need to SAY NO. Crusador: Tell our readers a little more about the exemption clauses you discuss in your book. The medical establishment has done a terrific job of intimidating people into thinking they have to take vaccines and yet, rarely if ever will you hear about the ways to exempt yourself and family from taking vaccines. A medical exemption is available in all 50 states but must be recommended by a doctor. The exemption can be difficult to obtain and often, it only excuses future vaccination with a shot that has already caused a severe reaction. There are three exemptions available in this country � medical, religious and philosophical. As of now, 19 states accept a philosophical exemption. It is the easiest of the three to use. You request a form from the school nurse, state the reasons you don't want to vaccinate your child, sign it and give it to the school. Generally, that's it. However, different school systems have different rules. Some require the form annually, some require both parents to sign the exemption form, some require it to be notarized and so forth. You can find links to your state laws and more information by going to <http://www.DrTenpenny.com>www.DrTenpenny.com . Religious exemptions are available in all other states except West Virginia and Mississippi (which only have medical exemptions). Religious exemptions can be tricky and in some states, very difficult to obtain and defend. I often recommend that people consult an attorney for this type of exemption. Some states, such as New York and New Jersey, are difficult. New York has been known to use something called a "sincerity test." Parents are literally interrogated by an attorney representing the school district regarding how sincere their religious assertions are for refusing a vaccine. A panel then decides if you are sincere enough in your beliefs to allow you to refuse vaccination on religious ground. I find these tactics absolutely appalling and akin to Inquisitioners of the Middle Ages. Crusador: Where do you see the whole pro-vaccine movement going and what threats to our Constitutional freedoms do you see coming down the pike? The dogged determination of those who oppose vaccines, and in particular mandatory vaccination, has gained traction at a grass roots level and garnered a lot of attention from the media. I feel that we have the pro-vaccinators on the ropes. Our arguments are hard to deny and the global autism epidemic can no longer be ignored. Pro-vaccinators are using manipulation, threats and fear tactics, trying to convince everyone that vaccines are not only safe but absolutely necessary. I see the vaccine industry like a wounded Tyrannosaurus Rex, gnashing its teeth and flailing its ugly head. It won't die quickly and it will probably get worse before it gets better. Crusador: There are many people in this country, myself included, who are concerned that there is an evil agenda to mass vaccinate the entire planet in the event of a health emergency. Do you feel that there are genuine reasons to be concerned and what might we expect to see unfold in an emergency? Executive orders and recommendations from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) have been written that stop just short of allowing government-enforced mandatory vaccination for anthrax, smallpox and bird flu. The only way to change these policies is by standing together and boldly saying no. Crusador: Are you still confident that with enough knowledge about the risks and dangers of vaccines enough people will wake up and say NO before Big Pharma forces its will upon the populace? I'm not sure. People tend to be sheep � Americans in particular. Look what we have allowed a small number in the White House and 545 people in Congress to do to our country. And even those people who want to effect a change have little time and few resources to do so. No one wants to stand out, speak up and challenge authority. Whatever happened to those bra-burning activists of the 1960s? However, people really are involved now, more than ever. It only takes a small, vocal minority to really make a difference. As stated years ago by Margaret Mead, "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has." Crusador: Thank you for your time, Sherri. These are excellent answers. I encourage everyone reading this interview to make every effort they can to get a copy of your new book and share it with their friends and loved ones because it is a great tool to give the average person confidence to "SAY NO TO VACCINES". http://rense.com/general86/legl.htm

Ryedale | 08-17-2009 06:06 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Thank you Canadian-guerilla for reposting all the SF articles here. This is sort of what I was hoping for. I got the thread started the other night, but ran out of weekend before I got to it.

Canadian-guerilla | 08-17-2009 10:22 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Government 'ignored warning Tamiflu may become resistant to swine flu' Advisers urged the Government to offer paracetamol to the public instead of Tamiflu, to stop the virus gaining resistance to the drug. But the Department of Health advisers said ministers ignored their advice, even when it became clear the outbreak was mild. They say the Government forged ahead with mass prescription, fearing the public would be angry if they were told that millions of Tamiflu doses were being held in storage. But the widespread distribution of Tamiflu means there is more time and opportunity for the virus to develop resistance to the drug. One of Britain's most respected flu experts went as far as to say Tamiflu could become 'useless' by the autumn. Hugh Pennington, emeritus professor at Aberdeen University, said: 'I am concerned about the vast amount of Tamiflu going out almost unregulated. 'We are increasing the possibility that the flu will become resistant sooner or later. At the moment there is no desperate need for Tamiflu.' The fears over the widespread use of Tamiflu continue on from last week when parents were warned not to give Tamiflu to children with swine flu because the risks far outweigh the negligible benefits. Scientists said the powerful anti-viral puts children at higher risk of dangerous complications but has little impact on the length of their illness. The research will spark widespread confusion as it contradicts the Department of Health, which encourages parents to ring a hotline to get Tamiflu for their children at the first sign of flu-like illness. The Government's emergency flu hotline handed out no fewer than 100,000 packs of Tamiflu to children under 12 in its first two weeks. A study also found half the children taking Tamiflu had side-effects such as vomiting, nausea and nightmares. A DoH spokeswoman said: 'There is still doubt about how swine flu affects people - a safety-first approach is the best approach. This means offering antivirals when required.' Professor Robert Dingwall, a member of the committee on ethical aspects of pandemic influenza, said there were talks with the DoH and Health Protection Agency about whether to advise people to treat themselves with paracetamol and ibuprofen. He said: 'It was felt ... it would simply be unacceptable to the UK population to tell them we had a huge stockpile of drugs but they were not going to be made available.' The panel, set up at the request of the chief medical officer, Sir Liam Donaldson, decided to offer antivirals to at-risk patients or those with underlying conditions. It also wanted to Government to explain that there was no cure for flu. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ance-drug.html

goldbug | 08-17-2009 10:33 AM
vaccine and medical scam http://www.whale.to/b/hoax1.html<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the result of technical, social and hygienic improvements and especially of improved nutrition. Here the role of the potato...deserves special mention.....Consider carefully whether you want to let yourself or your children undergo the dangerous, controversial, ineffective and no longer necessary procedure called vaccination, because the claim that vaccinations are the cause for the decline of infectious diseases is utter nonsense."--The Vaccination Nonsense (2004 Lectures)---Dr. med. G. Buchwald ISBN 3-8334-2508-3 page 108.<o:p></o:p> The vaccination myth is the most widespread superstition modern medicine has managed to impose, but, being by the same token the most profitable, it will prove to be also one of the most enduring, though there was never the slightest of scientific evidence upholding it. Suffice it to say now that the various epidemics have experienced in all countries the same natural evolution of growth, decline, and eventual disappearance, whether vaccination or other therapies had been introduced or not. The only demonstrable effects were the widespread damages caused by the various vaccinations, none excluded. Most pediatricians we know in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on">Italy</st1:country-region> and <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">France</st1:place></st1:country-region> do not vaccinate their own children, although they cannot refuse to vaccinate their clients' children, if they want to retain their union licence to practice........ So it can safely be predicted that the advertised belief in the alleged blessings of vaccination will be among the last deadly rites of Modern Medicine to go, because it is far too profitable to the medical combine to be allowed to go without a bitter struggle, of which the beginnings can increasingly be seen today, but which will certainly drag on into the coming century. It is indeed so profitable - to Industry and State - that it is incentivated by being offered, or imposed, in many cases free of charge. But in truth, who gets the bill? The taxpayer, of course. Preface by Hans Ruesch to 1000 Doctors (and many more) Against Vivisection <o:p></o:p> If you think you need a medical education to form an opinion on the merits of vaccination, ask yourself, who created and keeps that belief going?<?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><v:shapetype id=_x0000_t75 stroked="f" filled="f" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" o:preferrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"> <v:stroke joinstyle="miter"></v:stroke><v:formulas><v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"></v:f><v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"></v:f><v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"></v:f></v:formulas><v:path o:connecttype="rect" gradientshapeok="t" o:extrusionok="f"></v:path><o:lock aspectratio="t" v:ext="edit"></o:lock></v:shapetype><v:shape style="WIDTH: 11.25pt; HEIGHT: 11.25pt" id=_x0000_i1025 alt="Wink" type="#_x0000_t75"><v:imagedata o:href="http://www.whale.to/b/images/pics/icon_wink.gif" src="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\Frank\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_i mage001.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> more at link<o:p></o:p>

Canadian-guerilla | 08-17-2009 03:43 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swine flu inspires new video game LONDON � Since swine flu first emerged in April, it has sparked panic, vaccine production and now, a video game. In an effort to raise awareness, Dutch researchers have created a game that challenges players to control a new pandemic. "It is actually what is happening now, what is happening in the real world," said Albert Osterhaus, head of virology at the Erasmus Medical Center, who designed "The Great Flu" game with colleagues. The game can only be played online at http://www.thegreatflu.com and it is free. A World Health Organization spokesman said Monday the agency was not familiar with the game and had not had time to play it. WHO has reported nearly 178,000 cases of swine flu including 1,462 deaths worldwide, though those numbers are believed to be a gross underestimate of the actual caseload, since hard-hit countries no longer test all cases with flu-like symptoms. As the virus has spread worldwide, countries have tried different methods to slow it down and pharmaceutical companies are now racing to produce a swine flu vaccine. The game begins with images of bedridden patients and graveyards from the 1918 Spanish flu. As the head of the fictitious "World Pandemic Control," players pick a flu strain, and then monitor that strain's spread around the world. To fight the emerging outbreak, players use measures including setting up surveillance systems, stockpiling antivirals and vaccines, and closing schools and airports. Players also have a limited budget and are warned that "your actions to control the virus cost money, so keep an eye on it." A running tally of the numbers of people infected and those who have died sit above the budget. Newspaper stories about the deadly virus and the global response to it - like riots breaking out worldwide - pop up to help players monitor the outbreak. Messages from governments mirror the difficulties faced by international agencies like WHO. For instance, when players set up costly surveillance systems, the game often relays a message from governments that "we will comply with your directions...but we must inform you that the political support for this action is low in this region. Therefore, the effectiveness of the system may differ from your expectations." Osterhaus said the video game's approximation of combating a pandemic, choosing between various interventions yet still watching the outbreak spread, gives people a sense of how difficult it is to make decisions in the public health world. http://www.wral.com/news/national_wo...story/5808265/ the Flu Game

Real Money Now | 08-17-2009 08:49 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread What To Do If Force Vaccinated http://www.rense.com/general87/vaccin.htm Russell L. Blaylock, MD http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/ Dr Blaylock's List of suggestions on How to Reduce the Toxic Effects of the A/H1N1 Vaccine, is as follows: 1. Number one on the list says Dr Blaylock, is to bring a cold pack with you and place it on the site of the injection as soon as you can, as this will block the immune reaction. Once you get home, continue using a cold pack throughout the day. If you continue to have immune reactions the following day, have cold showers and continue with the cold press. 2. Take fish oil. Eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA), one of the omega 3 fatty acids found in fish oil supplements, is a potent immune suppressant. If you take high dose EPA you will be more susceptible to infections, because it is a powerful immune suppressant. However, in the case of an immune adjuvant reaction, you want to reduce it. Studies show that if you take EPA oil one hour before injecting a very powerful adjuvant called lipopolysaccharide (LPS), it would completely block the ability of the LPS to cause brain inflammation. Take a moderate dose everyday and more if needed to tame a cytokine storm. 3. <http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/f-w00/flavonoid.html>Flavonoids are third on the list, namely curcumin, quercetin, ferulic acid and ellagic acid, particularly in a mixture. The curcumin and quercetin in particular have been found to block the ability of the adjuvants to trigger a long-term immune reaction. If you take it an hour before the vaccination, it should help dampen the immune reactions says Dr Blaylock. 4. Vitamin E, the natural form that is high in gamma-E will help dampen the immune reactions and reduces several of the inflammatory cytokines. 5. An important ingredient on the list is Vitamin C at a dose of 1000 mg, taken four times a day between meals. It is a very potent anti-inflammatory and should be taken in a buffered form, not as absorbic acid, says Dr Blaylock. 6. <http://www.naturalnews.com/002156.html> Also use astaxanthin as it's an anti-inflammatory. According to Dr Blaylock, fatal reactions to vaccines in aboriginal and African children occurred in those who were deficient in carotinoids, like astaxanthin. It is a good protection against the toxic effects of the vaccine. 7. Likewise, it was found that children who were deficient in zinc had a high mortality rate. Zinc is very protective against vaccine toxicity. (Do not use zinc mixed with copper however, as copper is a major trigger of free-radical generation according to Dr Blaylock). 8. Ensure you avoid all immune-stimulating supplements, such as mushroom extracts, whey protein and <http://www.betaglucan.org/>beta-glucan. 9. Take a multivitamin-mineral daily � one that does not contain iron. This multivitamin-mineral is to make sure your body has plenty of B vitamins and selenium. Selenium, said Dr Blaylock, is very important for fighting viral infections and it reduces the inflammatory response to vaccines. 10. Magnesium citrate/malate 500 mg of elemental magnesium two capsules, three times a day. (This was not mentioned during the show, but was posted at Dr Deagle's website, <http://www.clayandiron.com/news.jhtml?method=view&news.id=2103>ClayandIron.co m). 11. What is very important is vitamin D3, which is the only 'vitamin' the body can manufacture from sunlight (UVB). It is a neural hormone, not really a vitamin says Dr Blaylock and helps if you are over-reacting immunologically by cooling down the reaction. Similarly, if you are under-reacting, it helps to boost your immune response. In addition it also protects against microorganism invasion. Black people and those in colder climates are particularly deficient, so they will almost certainly require supplementation. Dr Blaylock recommends that following vaccination it will help to keep the immune reaction under control if: i) All children get 5,000 units a day for two weeks after the vaccine and then 2,000 a units a day thereafter; ii) Adults get 20,000 units a day after the vaccine for two weeks, then 10,000 units a day thereafter; iii) And with that adults should take 500-1000 mg of calcium a day and children under the age of 12 years should take 250 mg a day, as vitamin D works more efficiently in the presence of calcium. 12. Ensure you avoid all mercury-containing seafood or any other sources of mercury, as the heavy metal is a very powerful inducer of autoimmunity, is known to make people more susceptible to viral infections and will be in H1N1 vaccines. 13. Avoid the oils that significantly suppress immunity and increase inflammation - such as corn, safflower, sunflower, soybean, canola and peanut oils. 14. Drink very concentrated white tea at least four times a day. It helps to prevent abnormal immune reactions. 15. Pop parsley and celery in a blender and drink 8 ounces of this mixture twice a day. Dr Blaylock says the parsley is very high in a flavonoid called apigenin and that celery is high in <http://www.dietaryfiberfood.com/antioxidants/flavonoid-antioxidant.php>luteolin. Both are very potent in inhibiting autoimmune diseases, particularly the apigenin, so go and plant some parsley in your garden now.

Real Money Now | 08-17-2009 08:54 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadian-guerilla (Post 1871847) How To Legally Say 'NO' To All Vaccines
I hope that no one deludes themselves into believing "paper" will be effective if a "national health emergency" is declared. Waivers will be rendered void. Self-quarantine/avoidance of vaccination stations, and ultimately, active resistance backed by firearms, may be the only way to avoid getting a flu vaccine.

Canadian-guerilla | 08-17-2009 11:02 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Real Money Now (Post 1873263) I hope that no one deludes themselves into believing "paper" will be effective if a "national health emergency" is declared. Waivers will be rendered void. Self-quarantine/avoidance of vaccination stations, and ultimately, active resistance backed by firearms, may be the only way to avoid getting a flu vaccine.
true, but at least exhaust all legal routes first maybe start a Vaccination Waiver group, ( power in numbers ) when/if a " national health emergency " is declared and one starts hearing/seeing stories concerning armed soldiers and forced vaccinations then one can conclude the waiver route is useless

Canadian-guerilla | 08-17-2009 11:04 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Over 100 students quarantined in Meghalaya Altogether 117 students and 15 teachers of a premier school in Shillong were on Monday quarantined while three more samples of suspected swine flu patients were sent for tests by Meghalaya health authorities. Students of all the three sections of Class VII and 15 teachers of St Edmunds School were screened, prescribed medicines and isolated for 10 days, Director of Health Services K H Lakiang said. The move was prompted after one of the students, Joshwa Lyngwa, tested positive on Sunday. Five persons have tested positive for swine flu in Meghalaya in less than a week. http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryP...d-in-Meghalaya

Canadian-guerilla | 08-17-2009 11:25 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Three More Swine Flu Deaths Confirmed By Saudi Govt ISLAMABAD: An 11-year-old Saudi girl has become one of the latest victim of swine flu after health officials announced a further three deaths in the kingdom. A total number of 14 people have died from the H1N1 virus in Saudi Arabia to date, the Ministry of Health confirmed, a private news channel reported. The child was diagnosed with swine flu and died, meanwhile on the same day a 28-year-old Saudi woman also died from the virus. http://www.apakistannews.com/three-m...di-govt-134453

Canadian-guerilla | 08-17-2009 11:37 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Latest batch of A (H1N1) cases brings death toll to 62 Mon, Aug 17, 2009 SERDANG, MALAYSIA - Three more deaths have been reported from the Influenza A (H1N1) virus, bringing the overall death toll to 62. more . . . http://health.asiaone.com/Health/New...17-161498.html ****************************************** 11th H1N1 Death In Massachusetts Aug 17, 2009 Menino also announced Monday that Boston city workers will get two hours of paid time off to receive flu shots starting Sept. 12. There have been 477 swine flu-related deaths nationwide. more . . . http://wbztv.com/local/h1n1.death.swine.2.1131869.html ******************************************** 3rd swine flu death reported in San Bernardino 08/17/2009 As of Aug. 12, the most recent statewide statistics available show 1,057 hospitalizations and 104 deaths related to swine flu. http://www.mercurynews.com/californi...nclick_check=1

Canadian-guerilla | 08-18-2009 12:28 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Sebelius on swine flu: "we're preparing for the worst" WASHINGTON (CNN) � Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Sunday that it would likely be Thanksgiving before the most vulnerable, high priority populations are completely vaccinated against the H1N1 or swine flu virus. In the meantime, Sebelius said parents and schools need to make back-up plans to deal with possible illness. �We�re playing out a whole variety of scenarios,� Sebelius said on CNN�s State of the Union. �We�re preparing for the worst and hoping for the best.� Sebelius told CNN Chief National Correspondent John King that the administration was �optimistic� it would have a vaccine available by around mid-October. �But the regimen will take about five weeks,� Sebelius said, �A first shot, three weeks delay, second shot, and then about two weeks for full immunity. So we�re really need to work between now and Thanksgiving with lots of social mitigation � keeping kids home from school if they�re sick. I would urge every family have a back-up child care plan.� �If a parent gets sick, was is the plan?,� Sebelius also said Sunday, �because we know the disease spreads quickly and we will not have fully immunized even priority populations until about Thanksgiving.� �We�re looking at schools as great partners for possible vaccine programs beginning in the fall to get kids immunized as quickly as possible because this is a children�s flu,� the Obama aide also said. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...for-the-worst/

Canadian-guerilla | 08-18-2009 08:11 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Second Wave Of Swine Flu Could Overwhelm Resources In Europe And North America Say Canadian Experts 18 Aug 2009 A panel of experts in Canada has written an article in a leading medical journal suggesting that if the H1N1 pandemic swine flu follows the same disease pattern in the northern hemisphere this fall as it has in the southern hemisphere, then resources in North America and Europe could be overwhelmed. The experts say strong leadership will be needed to mobilize effective immunization and other campaigns and they also call for the appointment of national and local leaders and champions. The editorial article was written by Dr Paul H�bert, Editor-in-Chief of the Canadian Medical Association Journal (CMAJ), and colleagues, and appears in the 17 August issue of the journal. H�bert and colleagues wrote that vaccination must be the top priority against H1N1 flu this fall if the anticipated second wave of the pandemic virus follows the same pattern of spread in the northern hemisphere as it has in the southern hemisphere. Canada and much of the Western world does not have much experience in implemeting time-sensitive mass vaccination campaigns, wrote the panel. We already struggle to get vulnerable groups vaccinated for seasonal flu, they added. For example, in some years, only 15 per cent of people living in Nunavut (a major portion of northern Canada) are vaccinated, and last year, during the most recent outbreak of mumps in Nova Scotia's young adult population, only 15 per cent of targeted individuals were vaccinated (note this is the population segment most likely to be severely affected by the 2009 H1N1 swine flu). "We need to act now to overcome these access and delivery problems," wrote H�bert and colleagues. "No immunization program is 100 per cent effective. If a sufficient number of cases are not prevented, we can expect a large number of young critically ill patients filling all tertiary level intensive care beds," they warned, adding that although most infections have been mild so far, unlike most seasonal flu strains, in more serious cases the new 2009 pandemic H1N1 virus seems to invade the lower respiratory system more aggressively, causing more severe illness. "The world's experience so far tells us that serious illness associated with this virus often manifests as acute lung injury resulting in overwhelming hypoxemia," they wrote. H�bert and colleagues suggest Canada needs national leadership to make sure vaccines, expertise and equipment reaches everyone that needs them. New laws may be needed to give people power to act quickly. Each country should have a "visible independent health care czar, with executive powers across all jurisdictions and who is ultimately accountable to the highest office," they added. After that, the priority is local leadership, including "champions" to coordinate rapid response. "In countries such as Canada that have shared responsibilities between many levels of government, collaboration and clear communication are essential as a first line of defence," they wrote. "To see that this happens, governments need to have or enact laws to provide the necessary power to ensure rapid action on complex issues." They also pointed out that a second wave is likely to hit the northern hemisphere this fall if the H1N1 virus follows the same pattern as it has in the southern hemisphere. This would overwhelm our resources; for example in most areas there are still no plans on how to get the correctly trained health professionals in place to "deliver technologies to help patients survive". H�bert and colleagues wrote "this is not a time for complacency", and urged that health czars and other national leaders call an immediate summit and bring together officials from public health, critical care, first response, and other health care areas, as well as decision makers, community planners and members of the public to: "Communicate next steps and to ensure that actions taken by leaders will work at the ground level". One of the ideas that health czars need to get across to the public is that everyone has a responsibility in tackling the pandemic, it is not just a top down approach, but also a bottom up approach that is needed. An example of the bottom up approach that H�bert and colleagues referred was one being promoted in the UK called the "flu buddy" system, where individuals partner with one another and take responsibility to check each other's health status regularly. "Preparing for pandemic (H1N1) 2009." Paul C. H�bert, Noni MacDonald, Matthew B. Stanbrook, Ken Flegel, Amir Attaran, and Laura Eggertson. Canadian Medical Association Journal, August 17, 2009. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/160981.php

momopanda | 08-18-2009 10:47 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Thanks for the thread Rye. I'm in agreement in that I think this thing needs a subforum, there is a shitload more at stake here than the flu. And thanks to cg and others who keep posting the info too. But whatever, this is not all inclsuive, but a start, a compendium of recent threads here regarding the issue. Will add as I get time. Again, there is a shitload more to this than the flu. Perhaps more than we can imagine. As I posted before, parents rights, personal liberty, corporate greed, media irresponsibility, government power, the madness of crowds, efficacy of modern medicine, alternative cures, scientific corruption- all of these issues will be vetted with this 'pandemic' Nationwide revolt against mass swine flu vaccination accelerates (United Kingdom) will TPTB demonize people who refuse flu vaccines ? Dr. Tenpenny talks vaccines on C2C Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern Swine flu vaccine linked to deadly nerve disease? Swine Flu Shot Linked to Killer Nerve Disease Flu pandemic guidance issued for treatment plants 57 Trillion Reasons To Murder 100 Million Americans With Poisonous Vaccinations National Guard Prepare for Possible H1N1 Riot Pandemic Flu Vaccine and YOUR Children Canada to order 50.4 million H1N1 vaccine doses vaccine insanity Star Anise-Influenza Fighter? Pandemic Flu "Breakout Sessions" http://goldismoney.info/forums/image.../paperclip.gif H1N1 taskforce meeting yesterday... International Swine Flu Conference Aug 19-21 Poll: Would you take the swine flu vaccine if it were made mandatory? Donald Rumsfeld and Tamiflu...Just a reminder considering swine flu vaccination 8 cities in US line up for swine flu vaccine test talked to management about the Swine Flu shot yesterday http://goldismoney.info/forums/image...hcan_small.gif How swine flu spreads in humans CDC and their FAQ's ( mandatory vaccination ) Preparing for martial law: international swine flu conference to be held in D.C. Obama team mulls new quarantine regulations http://goldismoney.info/forums/image.../paperclip.gif SWINE FLU POLICE STATE COMING Diseased African Monkeys Used to Make Swine Flu Vaccines Greece To Vaccinate Entire Population Wal-Mart weighs role in U.S. H1N1 vaccination plans �27,000 swine flu bonus for GPs Bill Gates Funds Research Into ‘Flying Syringe’ Mosquitos to Deliver Vaccines Swine flu vaccines for everyone ( Greece ) Swine Flu video from 1979 Fox News - Military Prepares for Mass Quarantines The swine flu vaccination hoax explained Army National Guard Advertises for “Internment Specialists” Swine Flu Not On List Of Shots For Colorado Students Washington Post: Swine flu vaccine will contain mercury Tamiflu causes sickness and nightmares in children, study finds Vaccine refuseniks are free-riders. Government's swine flu "czar" to become ABC medical reporter Switzerland orders 16 mill syringes - mandatory vaccination in September Pregnant women will be first to get swine flu shot Ten Things You're Not Supposed to Know about the Swine Flu Vaccine Vaccination begs the question. Next big thing that MSM is going to slam in our faces. University Of Alabama implements mandatory vaccination program 12,000 U.S. Kids to be Used as Swine Flu Guinea Pigs 22 Million Germans Will Receive Swine Flu Vaccine in September Military to work with FEMA during swine flu pandemic Take Vitamin D for Swine Flu prevention Catacombs could house flu victims Swine flu conspiracy Cashing in on Swine Flu CDC stops swine flu death count at 300 Calling All Volunteers to test swine flu shots Suckers Wanted: Federal regime wants volunteers for vaccine trials 'A Whole Industry Is Waiting For A Pandemic' Roche says 1st case of H1N1 resistance to Tamiflu H1N1 Flu: A Worst-Case Scenario Everyone ( UK ) will get vaccine against swine flu Flu vaccine for fall won't protect against swine virus More cases of swine flu at Air Force Academy Swine flu made in a lab - Russia Today Vaccine or Quarantine? sub-forum for flu related topics ? 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Canadian-guerilla | 08-18-2009 10:58 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by momopanda (Post 1873958) Thanks for the thread Rye. I'm in agreement in that I think this thing needs a subforum, there is a shitload more at stake here than the flu. And thanks to cg and others who keep posting the info too. But whatever, this is not all inclsuive, but a start, a compendium of recent threads here regarding the issue. Will add as I get time. Again, there is a shitload more to this than the flu. Perhaps more than we can imagine. As I posted before, parents rights, personal liberty, corporate greed, media irresponsibility, government power, the madness of crowds, efficacy of modern medicine, alternative cures, scientific corruption- all of these issues will be vetted with this 'pandemic'
momo, thanks for your time and effort searching and putting these links in one easy access place :ok: the way this is going, i wonder if this swine flu pandemic / healthcare may be obama's " generated crises ?

Canadian-guerilla | 08-18-2009 11:03 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread while not swine flu related, definitely " vaccine effectiveness " related

Canadian-guerilla | 08-18-2009 11:28 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Europe Offers Vaccinations to Contain Swine Flu August 17, 2009 BRUSSELS � Anxiety over the new swine flu strain may have eased over the summer, but millions of Europeans will soon receive a sharp reminder of its virulence as governments prepare for a large-scale vaccination effort aimed at keeping a second, and possibly deadlier, wave of infections at bay. With another surge in cases of the H1N1 flu expected as soon as September, medical experts say the battle to tame the first pandemic flu in four decades is just getting under way in Europe. European Union health officials emphasize that most human cases of the flu have been mild and that patients have recovered without special treatment. In another sign of normalcy, a committee of European Union health officials recommended last week that schools reopen as usual after the summer break. But with limited amounts of vaccines expected to become available this year, health authorities are girding for many more cases over the autumn and winter flu season, when viruses spread more easily. �If we get a lot more infections, then there will be a lot more complications in people�s medical conditions and that means a lot more deaths,� said Nigel Dimmock, an emeritus professor in the department of biological sciences at the University of Warwick in England and a flu expert. Through Sunday, the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control had recorded 38,187 confirmed cases and 60 deaths in European countries, part of a total of 228,921 confirmed cases and 2,084 deaths worldwide. Those statistics show that Europe has suffered a relatively small number of cases. According to the World Health Organization, countries in North and South America have reported the vast majority of infections and deaths. But this is exactly the time, experts believe, that Europeans should be girding for a more widespread outbreak. The global pattern of the virus�s spread indicated that �the pandemic is just beginning� in Europe, said Nikki Shindo, a spokeswoman on influenza for the W.H.O. Ordinarily the process of developing new influenza vaccines is lengthy, so regulatory authorities in Europe have applied fast-track procedures to make them available as quickly as possible. As part of that process, pharmaceutical companies like Baxter, GlaxoSmithKline and Novartis are adapting existing vaccines to the H1N1 strain, according to the European Medicines Agency in London. The most pressing issue now facing governments is choosing groups most at risk in their countries so that vaccinations are correctly prioritized when they become widely available. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/wo...t-euroflu.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-18-2009 11:46 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread THE POISONED NEEDLE Suppressed Facts About Vaccination By Eleanor McBean 1957 http://www.whale.to/a/mcbean.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-18-2009 11:54 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Boro (NYC) prepares for fall�s swine flu cases Thursday, August 13, 2009 City officials are bracing for a surge of swine flu cases this fall and funeral home directors need to be prepared to accommodate a possible related 50,000 to 85,000 deaths, the director of the Metropolitan Funeral Directors Association told a gathering of funeral home representatives in Forest Hills last week. �As funeral directors, we really need to know what we�re about to face,� Martin Kasdan said. �When swine flu comes back, it could possibly be devastating.� About 15 officials from area funeral homes attended the meeting sponsored by the MetFDA at Schwartz Brothers in Forest Hills Aug. 6. The MetFDA is holding four meetings in the city and one in Westchester this month to better prepare funeral homes for a possible increase in deaths as well as a rise in the number of sick and absent employees. MetFDA officials said they were also relaying information from the meetings to city agencies, including the city Health Department and the medical examiner�s office, with which they have been working in preparation for a potential second wave of swine flu. Swine flu, otherwise known as H1N1, first hit the city in May in a group of St. Francis Preparatory students in Fresh Meadows. The outbreak occurred after the students had arrived home from a trip to Mexico, where the World Health Organization said the global pandemic originated. As of July, more than 900 New Yorkers had been hospitalized with H1N1 and 47 had died, including two Queens residents, according to city statistics. Flushing resident Mitchell Wiener, an assistant principal at IS 238 in Hollis, became the city�s first swine flu casualty May 17. A second unnamed woman from Queens died from swine flu May 24, according to the city. City residents continue to come down with H1N1, but the numbers have continually decreased since the spike of cases in May, health officials said. �The Health Department monitors influenza-like illnesses every day in New York City,� said city Health Commissioner Thomas Farley. �While every hospitalization is concerning and every death is a tragedy, our surveillance data indicate that the number of people newly infected is declining.� The Centers for Disease Control has predicted a 2.1 percent to 3.3 percent death rate among those who come down with swine flu this fall, which translates into an additional 52,000 to 86,000 deaths in the city over a three-month period, Kasdan said. �It�s mind-boggling,� Kasdan said of the possible death rate. �Is the CDC right? Who knows � hopefully not. But you need to be prepared.� The potential upswing in fatalities poses a wide array of questions for city officials and funeral directors, such as where to store bodies, how to hold funerals in a climate where swine flu is passed easily from person to person and how many extra supplies will be needed. �You may have to wait for funerals because the family is sick or until the cemetery says they�re able to do the burial,� Kasdan said. �You might have to store bodies longer.� Kasdan said the city medical examiner is already looking into possibly using vacant city buildings to store bodies, and the city has contracted for a unit to be built in Germany that will handle hundreds of bodies. http://www.yournabe.com/articles/200...qz08122009.txt

DMac00 | 08-18-2009 11:55 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread This is a pretty important article coming out of NY regarding the fall. Here are the 2 key points: http://www.yournabe.com/articles/200...qz08122009.txt Quote:
The Centers for Disease Control has predicted a 2.1 percent to 3.3 percent death rate among those who come down with swine flu this fall, which translates into an additional 52,000 to 86,000 deaths in the city over a three-month period, Kasdan said. �It�s mind-boggling,� Kasdan said of the possible death rate. �Is the CDC right? Who knows � hopefully not. But you need to be prepared.� The potential upswing in fatalities poses a wide array of questions for city officials and funeral directors, such as where to store bodies, how to hold funerals in a climate where swine flu is passed easily from person to person and how many extra supplies will be needed. �You may have to wait for funerals because the family is sick or until the cemetery says they�re able to do the burial,� Kasdan said. �You might have to store bodies longer.�
First, the numbers quoted by the CDC of 2.1% to 3.3% CFR is very specific - where did this data come from? Secondly, 52-86,000 deaths projected is also pretty specific - where is this data coming from? You folks know I do not think this bug is going away anytime soon. Working remotely and not heading into NYC this fall is gaining priority in my book.

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Canadian-guerilla | 08-18-2009 12:30 PM
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PatColo | 08-18-2009 10:58 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Jane Burgermeister's new site, http://www.theflucase.com From August 12, video inside: We Are Change Colorado Educates People at CDC Mandatory Vaccination Advisement Meeting Catherine Austin Fitts: Swine Flu: What I Believe, where she begins: "I believe one of the goals of the swine flu vaccine is depopulation."

Canadian-guerilla | 08-19-2009 03:31 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread 10 THINGS TO CONSIDER BEFORE YOU TAKE THE H1N1 FLU SHOT PDF PANDEMIC PUSHER$ AND PROFITEER$ PDF The Truth about the Flu Shot PDF from a new website created Aug 12, False Flag Flu.com :ok: :ok:

Canadian-guerilla | 08-19-2009 04:19 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Chinese produce one-shot swine vaccine August 19, 2009 CHINESE pharmaceutical company producer Sinovac said today it has produced a vaccine for the swine flu virus which works after one dose. Clinical trials have produced "positive" results, said Sinovac, the latest company to announce progress in making a vaccine against the A(H1N1) virus ahead of an expected second wave as the northern hemisphere winter approaches. "The analysis of the clinical trial results showed that the A(H1N1) vaccine developed by Sinovac induces good immunogenicity after one dose," it said. The clinical trials began last month and were completed on August 15 in Beijing, with some 1614 participants aged three and over. "After receiving one shot of the vaccine, none of the volunteers participating in Sinovac's clinical trials exhibited any signs of severe adverse reactions," it said. Any adverse reactions were "all mild and transient, with pain at the site of injection as the most common symptom," it said. Sinovac chief Weidong Yin said the company plans to take the next steps in bringing the vaccine to market "as soon as possible", while fully ensuring "the safety and immunogenicity of the vaccine". British pharmaceuticals group GlaxoSmithKline said last week that it had begun clinical trials in Germany of a vaccine to combat the swine flu pandemic, with results expected from next month. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...-23109,00.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-19-2009 04:23 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swine flu vaccine works in animals Wednesday, August 19, 2009 TRENTON, New Jersey: A small study conducted by federal scientists shows Novavax Inc�s experimental vaccine against swine flu, produced in just weeks versus several months for standard methods, is effective in animals, the company said on Tuesday. But it won�t be approved and ready for commercial use in the US for at least a couple years, meaning the vaccine won�t be available to help here in the current epidemic of novel H1N1 influenza, company officials said. Novavax, based in Rockville, Maryland, makes vaccine using what�s called virus-like particle technology to build a structure like a virus, but without the genetic material inside that a virus needs to reproduce. The particles � sets of proteins assembled through genetic engineering � are injected and attach to immune cells, which recognize the particles like they would a virus. That stimulates a strong immune response, the company said. Traditional influenza vaccines, which have their key ingredient incubated in chicken eggs, take several months to produce. Chief Medical Officer Dr Penny Heaton told The Associated Press that Novavax was able to produce its vaccine in less than four weeks. �It demonstrates what might be possible in the next pandemic� � or in this one if the virus became much more lethal and the government deemed it an emergency, she said. Three of the five companies that supply seasonal flu vaccine to the US market have begun testing swine flu vaccine on people in recent weeks. All those makers have been taking orders from governments in wealthy countries, and the companies have promised the World Health Organisation that some of their vaccines will be reserved for poor nations. http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=193693

Canadian-guerilla | 08-19-2009 04:48 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swine flu: in India cities are on the verge of panic as the virus spreads further around the world August 19 2009 New Delhi : India has reached 1,928 H1N1 virus cases, 220 on 17 August alone, for a total of 25 deaths, especially in Pune, an industrial city in the State of Maharashtra that is less than 100 kilometres from Mumbai. Even though the daily death toll from swine flu is far below the averages of diarrhoea and tuberculosis, signs of panic are developing, which experts call unwarranted. In India people have stormed stores to buy masks since local health authorities announced the country�s first death from swine flu, causing prices to jump from 5 rupees (US$ 0.10) to 150 (US$ 2.75). As the number of cases and deaths rises, so does anxiety among people. In Pune streets are almost completely empty. In Mumbai schools have been closed. Celebrations for the Hindu festival of Janmashtami have been deserted. Swine flu fear has spread from India to Nepal where ordinary people are not reassured by government measures. The authorities are doing all they can with the resources at their responsible but �the possibility of the virus spreading through the porous border is very much there,� said Jitendra Man Shrestha, deputy coordinator of the n Influenza Control Project. The swine flu has spread further throughout Asia August. South Korea registered its first death on 14 August out of more than 2,000 cases. In Japan a 57-year-old man from Ginowan, Okinawa Prefecture, died on 15 August. More than 7,000 cases have been recorded by Japanese authorities. On Sunday Vietnam announced five more cases involving high school students in Ho Chi Minh City, setting off alarm bells in the population. So far more there have been two deaths and 1,400 cases in the country. Fears are also rising in China as to the impact of the flu on students. For this reason education authorities are allowing schools in high risk areas to delay the start of the new school year. Today Indonesia�s Health Ministry released its latest H1N1 figures: four dead and almost 900 cases. In its latest public statement the World Health Organisation (WHO) said that more than 1,400 people have died since the start of the H1N1 flu outbreak with more than 177,000 confirmed infections. The spread of the pandemic is bringing closer countries that are otherwise thousands of kilometres apart. For instance, the presence of 220 Bahraini students in Pune�India�s swine flu hotspot�has raised concerns in the Persian Gulf emirate. Like the rest of Asia, the Middle East and the Arabian Peninsula are counting new cases of infections and deaths. In Israel a 62-year-old woman has become the country�s 10th fatality. In Lebanon a surge has brought the total number of cases to almost 500 in just a few weeks, In the Persian Gulf, Saudi hospitals have treated approximately 2,000 cases of swine flu, the Ministry of Health announced yesterday. In the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait health authorities have adopted new measures to cope with the flu in coordination with the Gulf Cooperation Council. So far Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are the most affected with about 600 and 560 cases respectively. http://www.indiancatholic.in/news/st...ound-the-world

Canadian-guerilla | 08-19-2009 04:56 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Mass graves could be used in autumn bout of swine flu Preparations are under way to create mass graves to cope with a second outbreak of swine flu in the autumn. The government plans, outlined in a Home Office document, warn that a burial site may need to be created to cope with the potential crisis. The proposals, discussed at a meeting of Whitehall officials and council leaders last month, will affect those areas where there may not be enough graves for victims of the illness. Within weeks of a full-blown pandemic, the number of burials could more than double and inner city areas �may experience a shortage of grave space�, according to the report. The Framework for Planners Preparing to Manage Deaths � a 59-page document � discusses using �a grave that is for a number of unrelated persons, excavated mechanically in advance and designed for efficient preparation and use.� It said this approach would create a �burial site for multiple graves and consecutive burials� but added there must still be �marking of the position of individual burials�. It added that some cemeteries �may experience shortage of grave space, in particular in inner city areas�. Freight containers and �inflatable� storage units may be needed to provide extra mortuary space. But it stated that �refrigerated vehicles and trailers should not be used�. During the meeting, in which a senior official from Westminster council, gave a presentation, officials discussed the need for cemeteries and crematoriums to work seven days a week and the hiring of extra staff to cope. The report also warned there may be a need for more �basic and shorter services at the chapel� or for �memorial services� to be held at a person's home instead. Whitehall officials are also speaking to coffin makers to see if they could meet demands. Retired doctors may also be called back to work to issue death certificates so GPs can focus on patients. According to the document it may no longer be possible to bury some people in family plots and it may also become impossible to fly home the bodies of Britons who die abroad. Meanwhile, NHS Blood and Transplant appealed to the public to give blood to avoid stocks being reduced over the autumn and winter as regular donors fall ill with swine flu. People cannot give blood when they have flu so it is important to keep the blood banks well stocked, it warned. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...o?ito=newsnow&

Avalon | 08-19-2009 07:35 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine's Dirty Little Secret Exposed By Dr. Joseph Mercola Mercola.com, Aug 4, 2009 Straight to the Source According to Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, your children should be the first target for mass swine flu vaccinations when school starts this fall.[i] This is a ridiculous assumption for many reasons, not to mention extremely high risk. In Australia, where the winter season has begun, Federal Health Minister Nicola Roxon is reassuring parents the swine flu is no more dangerous than regular seasonal flu. "Most people, including children, will experience very mild symptoms and recover without any medical intervention," she said.[ii] Sydney-based immunization specialist Robert Booy predicts swine flu might be fatal to about twice as many children in the coming year as regular influenza. Booy estimates 10-12 children could die from the H1N1 virus, compared with the five or six regular flu deaths seen among children in an average year in Australia.[iii] "Cure the Disease, Kill the Patient" Less than 100 children in the U.S. die each year from seasonal flu viruses.[iv] If we use Australia's math, a very rough estimate would be another 100 children could potentially die of swine flu in the United States in the coming year. If children are the first target group in the U.S. per Sebelius, that means we're about to inject around 75 million children with a fast tracked vaccine containing novel adjuvants, including dangerous squalene, to prevent perhaps 100 deaths. I'm not overlooking the tragedy of the loss of even one child to an illness like the H1N1 flu virus. But there can be no argument that unnecessary mass injection of millions of children with a vaccine containing an adjuvant known to cause a host of debilitating autoimmune diseases is a reckless, dangerous plan. Why are Vaccinations Dangerous? The presumed intent of a vaccination is to help you build immunity to potentially harmful organisms that cause illness and disease. However, your body's immune system is already designed to do this in response to organisms which invade your body naturally. Most disease-causing organisms enter your body through the mucous membranes of your nose, mouth, pulmonary system or your digestive tract - not through an injection. These mucous membranes have their own immune system, called the IgA immune system. It is a different system from the one activated when a vaccine is injected into your body. Your IgA immune system is your body's first line of defense. Its job is to fight off invading organisms at their entry points, reducing or even eliminating the need for activation of your body's immune system. When a virus is injected into your body in a vaccine, and especially when combined with an immune adjuvant like squalene, your IgA immune system is bypassed and your body's immune system kicks into high gear in response to the vaccination. Injecting organisms into your body to provoke immunity is contrary to nature, and vaccination carries enormous potential to do serious damage to your health. And as if Vaccines Weren't Dangerous Enough on Their Own imagine them turbocharged. The main ingredient in a vaccine is either killed viruses or live ones that have been attenuated (weakened and made less harmful). Flu vaccines can also contain a number of chemical toxins, including ethylene glycol (antifreeze), formaldehyde, phenol (carbolic acid) and even antibiotics like Neomycin and streptomycin. In addition to the viruses and other additives, many vaccines also contain immune adjuvants like aluminum and squalene. The purpose of an immune adjuvant added to a vaccine is to enhance (turbo charge) your immune response to the vaccination. Adjuvants cause your immune system to overreact to the introduction of the organism you're being vaccinated against. Adjuvants are supposed to get the job done faster (but certainly not more safely), which reduces the amount of vaccine required per dose, and the number of doses given per individual. Less vaccine required per person means more individual doses available for mass vaccination campaigns. Coincidentally, this is exactly the goal of government and the pharmaceutical companies who stand to make millions from their vaccines. Will There Be Immune Adjuvants in Swine Flu Vaccines? The U.S. government has contracts with several drug companies to develop and produce swine flu vaccines. At least two of those companies, Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline, are using an adjuvant in their H1N1 vaccines. The adjuvant? Squalene. According to Meryl Nass, M.D., an authority on the anthrax vaccine, "A novel feature of the two H1N1 vaccines being developed by companies Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline is the addition of squalene-containing adjuvants to boost immunogenicity and dramatically reduce the amount of viral antigen needed. This translates to much faster production of desired vaccine quantities."[v] Novartis's proprietary squalene adjuvant for their H1N1 vaccine is MF59. Glaxo's is ASO3. MF59 has yet to be approved by the FDA for use in any U.S. vaccine, despite its history of use in other countries. Per Dr. Nass, there are only three vaccines in existence using an approved squalene adjuvant. None of the three are approved for use in the U.S.

Canadian-guerilla | 08-19-2009 11:19 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Warning over Tamiflu 'stroke risk' (UKPA) � 6 hours ago Doctors have been alerted over fears that Tamiflu could put some patients at increased risk of suffering a stroke, it has been reported. The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) is concerned that the drug can interact with warfarin, which is taken to thin the blood. The combination can affect the rate at which the blood clots, putting some patients at risk of uncontrolled bleeding which can lead to a stroke, the Daily Mail reported. The MHRA said they were monitoring the situation closely over the concerns. Medics measure how easily the blood clots using the INR rate, and the higher the INR rate, the thinner the blood is. An MHRA spokesman said: "We have seen indications that INR rates could possibly rise due to interactions between warfarin and Tamiflu. However, flu-like illnesses have also been known to cause this, so at this stage it is difficult to know whether it is the interaction with Tamiflu or the underlying flu." The MHRA added: "We've had suspected reports sent to us before the pandemic and we've had reports sent to us during the pandemic and it is one of the issues that we are monitoring very closely." It is the latest concern to emerge about Tamiflu, following warnings last week that children should not be given the drug. Oxford University researchers said that children should not be given the anti-viral drug as youngsters who were otherwise healthy could suffer more harm than benefit from taking Tamiflu or another anti-viral, Relenza. More than 400 reports of Tamiflu side effects have been received since the start of the swine flu outbreak, according to the MHRA. A Department of Health spokeswoman said: "Anyone who is already taking medication for an underlying health condition is advised to contact their GP practice by phone before starting a course of Tamiflu. The department is working closely with the MHRA to ensure that all possible interactions between Tamiflu and other prescription drugs are monitored." http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...W5-LXTqXrrn7Rg Quote:
is concerned that the drug can interact with warfarin, which is taken to thin the blood
got my attention !!!!!

Canadian-guerilla | 08-19-2009 11:28 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quarter of ( Ireland ) parents want school term delayed to halt flu Wednesday August 19 2009 A QUARTER of parents think schools should remain closed at the start of the new term next month to prevent the spread of swine flu. The majority of the 25pc said that the schools should remain closed until a vaccine was available and widely administered. Parents felt schools should delay re-opening for a couple of weeks because of the high number of children returning from holidays abroad immediately before term. They were concerned that this would encourage the spread of swine flu. A small number of parents felt schools should remain closed indefinitely until the swine flu epidemic has peaked. The findings are contained in an online survey of 400 parents carried out by Schooldays.ie, which was set up in 2006 to provide a comprehensive information service for parents. Despite their concerns about swine flu, the majority of parents (85pc) said they would send their children to school as normal when the schools re-open in a few weeks' time. A further 8pc indicated that while they would send their children to school, they would withhold a child with an underlying medical problem. Only 7pc said they would keep their children at home because of concerns about the spread of the virus. Nearly half of parents (43pc) said that they would seek the vaccination for all their children as soon as it became available with a further 19pc advising that they would only seek the vaccine for a child with an underlying condition. The remaining 38pc of parents indicated that they would not be availing of the vaccine for any of their children. Of these, 23pc advised that they would not seek the vaccine because of concerns about whether the vaccine was safe. The remaining 15pc felt that overall that it was not necessary to vaccinate against the virus as it represented only a low threat. However, the Department of Education and Science said the advice was that schools would open as normal. http://www.independent.ie/national-n...u-1863104.html

Silver Belle | 08-19-2009 12:02 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Stuff we already know...but interesting to see it all in one place. Lots of links in original item. Quote:
Swine flu: How profitable at such an opportune time... How profitable? Very, according to YVKE Mundial and Telesur: The transnational drug companies Roche and GlaxoSmithKline are the only two laboratories that produce oseltamivir and zanamivir, used to treat patients with swine flu. Oseltamivir, produced by Roche under the name Tamiflu, is the same drug used to treat avian flu; zanamivir, sold under the name Relenza, is produced by GlaxoSmithKline. What is not so well known is that Roche and Glaxo were both close to bankruptcy just before the outbreak. The latest indicators from the Zurich stock exchange show that Roche lost 8.47% of its share value, while Glaxo, in just the first quarter of 2009, lost 1.5%. According to analysts, this is evidence of a steep drop for the companies. As the number of persons ill with influenza climbs, however, Roche has announced that only 3 million doses of Tamiflu, recommended by the World Health Organization, are available. The Swiss pharmaceutical firm said that it would be prepared to send the WHO that number of doses, which, along with the 2 million it already has, would be enough for 5 million affected people. The possibility that these two multinationals required a production boost to reduce their losses and increase their profits cannot be ruled out, and at this time, there could not be a more opportune moment for it. Translation mine. Just another of the many things that make you go hmmmm... And here are some more: The Australian province of Queensland reports "massive demand" for Tamiflu, even though so far, no cases have been reported in Australia. The reason for the panic? New Zealand's flu count is 11 probable cases, all of them students who recently travelled to Mexico, with another 56 suspected. That was enough for the NZ government to make Tamiflu available over the counter. NZ has 1.2 million doses on hand, going for NZ $75 per course. Cha-ching! Meanwhile, in the US, major pharmacy chain CVS is also stocking up. Its share price is on the rise, compared to rival Walgreens, which isn't reporting increased sales and IS reporting a 29% share price drop. Hmmmm. And looky here! Bloomberg reports that Roche has boosted Tamiflu production and is "in touch" with governments. How very opportune. But ooooo, spoiler alert #1: India is making a generic version of the drug. Spoiler #2: The Toronto Star reports that Tamiflu is no guarantee that you won't get sick, that you will have a shorter recovery, or even that the flu won't kill you. What is it a guarantee of? More profits for its manufacturers, Roche and Gilead. Cha-ching! Meanwhile, Singapore reports that it has "enough" (one million doses, or a quarter of the population of Singapore) in stock, while Trindad and Tobago, much closer to the disease's epicentre, don't have any. Cha-ching! Nasty story of the day: A Mexican student in New Zealand was refused Tamiflu. Now is that any way to treat a visitor? But the clincher headline of the day has got to be this one from the UK Telegraph: "Pharmacies cashing in on swine flu fears". Cha-ching!
Source: http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/2009/04/

Canadian-guerilla | 08-19-2009 12:28 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://s.cdn.gaiaonline.com/images/t...14a4c62859.png Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations http://s.cdn.gaiaonline.com/images/t...14a4c62859.png Wednesday, 19 August 2009 At least three US federal laws should concern all Americans and suggest what may be coming - mandatory vaccinations for hyped, non-existant threats, like H1N1 (Swine Flu). Vaccines and drugs like Tamiflu endanger human health but are hugely profitable to drug company manufacturers. The Project BioShield Act of 2004 (S. 15) became law on July 21, 2004 "to provide protections and countermeasures against chemical, radiological, or nuclear agents that may be used in a terrorist attack against the United States by giving the National Institutes of Health contracting flexibility, infrastructure improvements, and expediting the scientific peer review process, and streamlining the Food and Drug Administration approval process of countermeasures." In other words, the FDA may now recklessly approve inadequately tested, potentially dangerous vaccines and other drugs if ever the Secretaries of Health and Human Services (HHS) or Defense (DOD) declare a national emergency, whether or not one exists and regardless of whether treatments available are safe and effective. Around $6 billion or more will be spent to develop, produce, and stockpile vaccines and other drugs to counteract claimed bioterror agents. The Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness (PREP) Act slipped under the radar when George Bush signed it into law as part of the 2006 Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863). It lets the HHS Secretary declare any disease an epidemic or national emergency requiring mandatory vaccinations. Nothing in the Act lists criteria that warrant a threat. Also potential penalties aren't specified for those who balk, but very likely they'd include quarantine and possible fines. The HHS web site also says the Secretary may "issue a declaration....that provides immunity from tort liability (except for willful misconduct) for claims of loss caused, arising out of, relating to, or resulting from administration or use of (vaccine or other pharmaceutical) countermeasures to diseases, threats and conditions determined by the Secretary to constitute a present, or credible risk of a future public health emergency...." The industry-run US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) notoriously rushes inadequately tested drugs to market, putting their efficacy and safety into question, and turning those who use them into lab rats. It includes everyone if a mass vaccination is ordered on the mere claim of a public emergency - no proof required. The Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act (S. 3678) is the other worrisome law, effective December 19, 2006. It amended "the Public Health Service Act with respect to public health security and all-hazards preparedness and response, and for other purposes." Even its supporters worry about issues of privacy, liability, and putting profits over public health. Critics express greater concerns about dangerous remedies for exaggerated or non-existant threats as well as mass hysteria created for political purposes. At least one other measure is also worrisome - The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act (MSEHPA). So far it's just a proposal by the Center for Law and the Public's Health - "A Collaborative at Johns Hopkins and Georgetown Universities (as) a primary, international, national, state, and local resource on public health law (and) policy for public health practitioners, judges, academics, policymakers, and others." MSEHPA is now "track(ing) legal responses to the emerging international response to the 2009 H1N1 (swine flu) outbreak, including declarations of public health emergency at the international, national, state, and local levels...." even though forensic evidence can't confirm any H1N1 deaths. No emergency exists anywhere, and reporting one is all hype to sell dangerous drugs to unsuspecting people globally. On its web site, the ACLU says this about MSEHPA: It's "written in a way that doesn't adequately protect citizens against the misuse of the tremendous powers that it would grant in an emergency. (It's) replete with civil liberties problems. Its three top flaws are that: (1) It fails to include basic checks and balances (by) grant(ing) extraordinary emergency powers (that) should never go unchecked. (It) could have serious consequences for individuals' freedom, privacy, and equality." (2) "It goes well beyond bioterrorism (with) an overbroad definition of 'public health emergency" that may be anything a local or national authority declares for any reason with no conclusive evidence for proof. (3) "It lacks privacy protections (and) undercut(s) existing protections for sensitive medical information." MSEHPA worries other organizations besides the ACLU, both conservative and progressive - including the Free Congress Foundation, American Legislative Exchange Council, conservative association of state legislators, Human Rights Campaign, and Health Privacy Project. The Real Threat of Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations In the wake of the hyped Swine Flu scare, media reports suggest mass vaccinations are coming. The May 6 Kimberly Kindy - Ceci Connolly Washington Post one, for example, headlined "US May Add Shots for Swine Flu to Fall Regimen" without saying they'll be mandatory but reading between the lines suggests the possibility this year or later. The writers report that "The Obama administration is considering an unprecedented fall vaccination campaign" to include regular and Swine Flu shots, the latter because it's "spreading across the globe." HHS' Dr. Robin Robinson said "We are moving forward with making a vaccine," and if the government proceeds with a national program, enough supply will be produced to provide two doses for all Americans with spokespersons like National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Anthony Fauci, claiming adverse reactions aren't to be expected and adding another shot for Swine Flu "should not present a problem." The New York Times also hypes the scare with reports of city schools closed after unconfirmed Swine Flu cases, a few adult deaths blamed on H1N1 bringing the claimed total in the city to seven, and the World Health Organization (WHO) saying on June 3 that it's moving closer to declaring a worldwide (Level 6) Swine Flu pandemic - even though none exists. With all the hype, misinformation, and willful lies WHO's Dr. Keiji Fukuda, in charge of flu, said only 117 deaths globally have been "blamed" on Swine Flu and any warning may include the caveat that the virus isn't very lethal. A more accurate statement would explain that no forensic evidence links any deaths to H1N1, and influenza annually kills about 30,000 people in America alone - something the major media never report or that scattered accounts of any type flu deaths worldwide are no cause for alarm or reason for scary headlines. It's also unconscionable for the WHO, US and other nations' officials to spread lies, deception, and hysteria so major pharmaceutical companies can foist dangerous vaccines and other drugs on unsuspecting people, harming their health and making them vulnerable to later diseases and possible early deaths. Massachusetts May Be A Forerunner of What's to Come On April 28, the Massachusetts Senate unanimously passed a pandemic flu preparation bill that rises to the level of martial law. If approved by the House and signed into law, it will mandate among other measures: -- "vaccination, treatment, examination, or testing of" all individuals involved in providing health care - as perhaps step one before ordering the same process for all state residents; -- owners or occupiers of all premises "to permit entry into and investigation of the premises;" -- closure, evacuation, and decontamination of all suspected facilities; and -- restricting or prohibiting "assemblages of persons." Other states may be planning similar measures as precursors to mandatory nationwide vaccinations and overall suspension of civil liberty protections. Adverse Vaccination Effects on Gulf War Troops Before deploying to the Persian Gulf in 1990 - 91 (and thereafter to the present), all US troops got a standard series of inoculations against infectious diseases - the same ones given to all US citizens traveling to the region. After arriving, 150,000 also got anthrax vaccinations and 8000 botulinum toxoid ones even though concerns were raised about adverse long-term health consequences. A National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine (IOM) study was conducted to assess them with results released in September 2000. In December 1997, the Department of Defense (DOD) announced that all US military forces would receive anthrax vaccinations. The Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program (AVIP) began in March 1998 even though IOM found little published peer-reviewed scientific information on its safety. In its study, IOM reported evidence of an association between vaccinations studied and transient acute common health effects, including redness, swelling, and fever commonly associated with other vaccinations. However, conclusive proof of long-term problems wasn't determined - likely because study findings were skewed not to find them. More on that below. IOM also studied botulinum toxoid vaccines and found evidence of an association between the vaccine and transient acute local and systemic effects similar to anthrax vaccinations. Again, conclusive proof of long-term adverse health effects wasn't found - another very dubious conclusion as evidence below explains. Military personnel usually get multiple vaccinations. IOM studied their effects but didn't prove or disprove any long-term adverse effects. However several independent studies of British Gulf War veterans found some link between multiple vaccinations and later health problems. Gary Matsumoto is a New York-based award-winning investigative journalist. His 2004 book, "Vaccine A: The Covert Government Experiment That's Killing Our Soldiers and Why GIs are Only the First Victims" took sharp issue with IOM results and the Pentagon's denial of Gulf War syndrome. Investigating the shadowy vaccination development world, he discovered US military-employed doctors and scientists conducted secret medical experiments on US citizens in violation of the Nuremberg Code and fundamental medical ethics. For its part, Nuremberg established legal medical experimental standards now incorporated into ethical medical codes, including: -- requiring voluntary consent of human subjects without coercion, fraud, deceit, and with full disclosure of known risks; -- experiments should avoid "all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury;" -- experiments should never be conducted if there's "an a priori reason to believe death or disabling injury will occur;" -- risk "should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved..;" and -- experiments should be terminated if there's reason to believe they'll cause "injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject." According to Matsumoto, the Pentagon violated these and other standards, betrayed the troops, and the fundamental duty of military and civilian leaders to protect them. Since at least 1987, biowarfare development trumped the welfare of tens of thousands of GIs used as human guinea pigs for inoculation with experimental unlicensed anthrax vaccines containing squalene - an oil-based adjuvant (to enhance immunity) known for decades to cause severe autoimmune diseases in lab animals, yet administered involuntarily without disclosure of its harmful effects to human health. Matsumoto wrote: "The unethical experiments detailed in this book are ongoing, with little prospect of being self-limiting because they have been shielded from scrutiny and public accountability by national security concerns." He suggested the "writing (was) on the wall" of what's to come with prospects now it may be soon. "When UCLA Medical School's Michael Whitehouse and Frances Beck injected squalene combined with other materials into rats and guinea pigs back in the 1970s, few oils were more effective at causing the animal versions of arthritis and multiple sclerosis." In 1999, immunologist Dr. Johnny Lorentzen at Sweden's Karolinska Institute found that on injection, an "otherwise benign molecule like squalene can stimulate a self-destructive immune response," even though it occurs naturally in the body. Other research shows that squalene is the experimental anthrax vaccine ingredient that caused devastating autoimmune diseases and deaths for many Gulf War veterans from the US, UK, and Australia, yet it continues in use today and for new vaccines development in labs. There's a "close match between the squalene-induced diseases in animals and those observed in humans injected with this oil: rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus erythematosus." Other autoimmune diseases are also linked to humans injected with squalene. "There are now data in more than two dozen peer-reviewed scientific papers, from ten different laboratories in the US, Europe, Asia and Australia, documenting that squalene-based adjuvants can induce autoimmune diseases in animals...observed in mice, rats, guinea pigs and rabbits. Sweden's Karolinska Institute has demonstrated that squalene alone can induce the animal version of rheumatoid arthritis. The Polish Academy of Sciences has shown that in animals, squalene alone can produce catastrophic injury to the nervous system and the brain. The University of Florida Medical School has shown that in animals, squalene alone can induce production of antibodies specifically associated with systemic lupus erythematosus." Micropaleontologist Dr. Viera Scheibner conducted research into the adverse effects of adjuvants in vaccines and wrote: Squalene "contributed to the cascade of reactions called "Gulf War syndrome. (GIs developed) arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS, Raynaud's phenomenon, Sjorgren's syndrome, chronic diarrhea, night sweats and low-grade fever." Matsumoto's book includes numerous case studies of GIs afflicted with one or more of the above syndromes, their devastating effects, and the outlandish US government reaction - failing to acknowledge their existence or a connection between them and administered vaccines. Also denying the effects of other toxic Gulf theater exposures (like depleted uranium) as well as withholding meaningful treatments or protocols. US Army Captain George L. Skypeck spoke eloquently for many when he said: "Was the character of my valor less intense than those at Lexington? Was the pain of my wounds any less severe than those at Normandy? And was my loneliness any less sorrowful than those at Inchon? Then why am I forgotten amonst those remembered as 'heros?' " If mass vaccinations are ordered, millions of Americans may ask: Why do you keep using unsafe vaccines and other drugs when clear evidence shows their dangers? Why do you jeopardize all Americans by unleashing a future plague of serious illnesses, diseases, and disabilities? Why have you willfully and maliciously ruined my health? Immunologist Dr. Pamela Asa first recognized autoimmune diseases showing up in GIs that mirrored those in lab animals injected with oil formulated squalene adjuvants. By 1997, hundreds of millions of dollars had been spent testing vaccines containing them, in animal studies since 1988 and human clinical trials since 1991 - by leading research institutes like NIH, the National Cancer Institute, and the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). According to Matsumoto, today, "Squalene adjuvants are a key ingredient in a whole new generation of vaccines intended for mass immunization around the globe" even though researchers at Tulane Medical School and the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research proved "that the immune system responds specifically to the squalene molecule." The immune system "see(s) and recognizes it as an oil molecule native to the body. Squalene is not just a molecule found in a knee or elbow - it is found throughout the nervous system and the brain." When injected in the body, the immune system attacks it as an enemy to be eliminated. Eating and digesting squalene isn't a problem. But injecting it "galvanize(s) the immune system into attacking it, which can produce self-destructive cross reactions against the same molecule in the places where it occurs naturally in the body - and where it is critical to the health of the nervous system." Once self-destruction begins, it doesn't stop as the body keeps making the molecule that the immune system is trained to attack and destroy. Immunologist Dr. Bonnie Dunbar also did extensive research on hepatitis B-inflicted illnesses and found similar autoimmune processes involved in molecular mimicry in people with devastating neuroimmune syndromes after getting vaccine injections. Matsumoto says "Squalene is a kind of trigger for (a) real biological weapon," what Soviet researchers called "a biological time bomb!!" and Matsumoto says is "the immune system." When its "full repertoire of cells and antibodies (attack) tissues they are supposed to protect, the results can be catastrophic." He and Dr. Pam Asa conclude that "Oil adjuvants are the most insidious chemical weapon ever devised," including ones with squalene - something the Soviets knew could be used as a weapon in the 1980s. Matsumoto says that "the real problem with using squalene (isn't) that it mimics a molecule found in the body; it is the same molecule. So what American scientists conceived as a vaccine booster (or what's now being developed in labs) was another 'nano-bomb,' instigating chronic, unpredictable and debilitating disease. When the NIH....argued that squalene would be safe because it is native to the body, just the opposite was true," and, of course, still is. "Squalene's natural presence in the body made it one of the most dangerous molecules ever injected into man" and using it in vaccines is outlandish and criminal. So why does Washington sanction its use? According to Matsumoto: "scientists in the United States are now literally invested in squalene. Army scientists who developed the second generation anthrax vaccine have reputations to protect and licensing fees to reap (as well as) worldwide rights to develop and commercialize the new recombinant vaccine for anthrax" and ones for other health threats. Disturbingly, "Many of the cutting-edge vaccines currently in development by the NIH and its corporate partners contain squalene in one formulation or another. There is squalene in the prototype recombinant vaccines for HIV, malaria, herpes, influenza (including the swine strain), cytomegalovirus and human papillomavirus." Some of these "are intended for mass immunization(s) around the globe" and that possibility should terrify everyone enough to refuse any mandate or doctor's prescription to take them. Another problem is that "Autoimmunity (takes) years to diagnose" because early symptoms (headaches, joint pain, etc.) are so vague they can easily be from other causes. From inception, vaccines have always been dangerous enough for some experts to call them biological weapons undermining health, manipulating and crippling the immune system, and creating the possibility of future debilitating diseases. So Big Pharma's solution is new, more potent genetically engineered vaccines and drugs that may end up harming or killing many who take them, especially people with weakened immune systems. Matsumoto and others sounded the alarm to alert everyone to avoid these poisons masquerading as protective drugs. In fact, they benefit only the bottom lines of companies that manufacture them and scientists reaping generous royalties. http://www.rightsidenews.com/2009081...cinations.html

steyr_m | 08-19-2009 12:36 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread The only thing I keep in mind about the flu vaccination is this quote. <blockquote> "To wear everyone out by dissensions, animosities, feuds, famine, inoculation of diseases, want, until the Gentiles see no other way of escape except an appeal to our money and power." </blockquote>

Canadian-guerilla | 08-19-2009 12:40 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Government enlists employers' help to contain flu Government officials are calling on U.S. businesses to help manage swine flu this fall by getting vaccines to vulnerable workers and encouraging employees with symptoms to stay home. WASHINGTON � Government officials are calling on U.S. businesses to help manage swine flu this fall by getting vaccines to vulnerable workers and encouraging employees with symptoms to stay home. Commerce Secretary Gary Locke said Wednesday that employers should develop plans for managing both seasonal and swine flu. Businesses should encourage employees who are at-risk for swine flu to get the vaccine as soon as it becomes available. First in line are pregnant women, health care workers and younger adults with conditions such as asthma. About 45 million doses of swine flu vaccine from GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis and several other companies are expected to be available by mid-October. Federal officials plan to begin shipping vaccines out to the states when they become available. The World Health Organization has estimated that up to 2 billion people could be sickened during the swine flu pandemic, which already is known to be responsible for more than 1,400 deaths. "The government can't do this on its own," Locke said. "For this effort to be successful we need businesses to do their part." Locke briefed reporters on recommendations for U.S. businesses at a press conference alongside Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. Guidelines posted online Wednesday recommend businesses develop plans for operating with reduced staff, in the event of a flu pandemic. Napolitano said this is particularly important for transportation and infrastructure companies. "The country needs to be prepared but it also needs to be resilient," she said. Employers also should consider allowing employees to work staggered shifts or from home if an outbreak becomes severe, the government officials said. Workers with flu symptoms should be encouraged to stay home and remain there at least 24 hours after they no longer have a fever, the government recommends. "If an employee stays home sick, it's not only the best thing for that employee's health, but also his co-workers and the productivity of the company," Locke said. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...uidelines.html http://www.niagaracounty.com/images/InfraGard_000.gif

Canadian-guerilla | 08-19-2009 12:47 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swine Flu Shots May Be Too Little, Too Late to Halt Outbreaks Aug. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Swine flu vaccines under development by drugmakers may not provide immunity until the last week of November, too late to hold off outbreaks triggered by infected students returning to schools in the U.S. and Europe. Just 45 million of 195 million doses ordered for the U.S. will be delivered by mid-October, said health officials who lowered their estimates yesterday. The vaccine will probably require two shots given three weeks apart, and the body won�t produce antibodies for two additional weeks, according to an Aug. 7 report by the Department of Health and Human Services. U.S. students go back to school this week after more than 80 outbreaks of swine flu, also known as H1N1, were reported in summer camps, government health officials said. U.K. classes begin Sept. 1, a week before results from the first test of the new vaccine are set to be released by CSL Ltd., the Australian drugmaker that makes 20 percent of the U.S. supply. �This has been a virus that�s been smoldering, particularly among children at the many summer camp outbreaks,� said William Schaffner, of the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine. �There�s no doubt it�s coming, and we could see it as early as September. Every pediatrician, internist and public health official is cross-eyed� with worry, he said. Swine flu infection won�t protect patients from seasonal influenza, so the coming season may be �double-barreled,� marked by successive rounds of illness, Schaffner, chairman of the Nashville, Tennessee school�s department of preventive medicine, said in an interview. 170 Countries H1N1 has reached more than 170 countries and territories in the four months since being identified, the Geneva-based World Health Organization said. Swine flu causes similar symptoms as seasonal strains. It has so far resulted in �slightly worse� than normal flu seasons, with increased hospitalizations and cases of severe illness, the WHO said in an Aug. 12 release. The median age of those with the pandemic virus has been 12 to 17 years, the WHO said on July 24, citing data from Canada, Chile, Japan, U.K. and the U.S. Patients who have already had swine flu will be immune to it in the fall, Schaffner said. Recovered patients shouldn�t count on having immunity unless their illness was confirmed by laboratory tests. If they weren�t tested, they should get the vaccine to ensure they�re protected, he said. Sanofi-Aventis SA, based in Paris, began vaccine trials on August 6 and needs �two to three months� to complete them, said Donna Cary, a company spokeswoman, in an e-mail yesterday. London-based GlaxoSmithKline Plc and AstraZeneca Plc both have said they began testing in the last two weeks. Required for Licensing The company tests are required for licensing and are separate from U.S.-funded studies to determine dose and timing of the vaccine, said Bill Hall, a spokesman for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The U.S. will receive 45 million vaccine doses by mid- October, and get an additional 20 million each week until its full order of 195 million doses from five companies has been received, Hall said. CSL, based in Melbourne, is delaying its shipment to the U.S. to speed up shots to people in the company�s home country, Hall said in a telephone interview yesterday. All U.S. shots are provided by companies based outside the U.S. �I can confirm that CSL�s first commitment is to Australia,� said Sheila Burke, a spokeswoman for CSL, in an e- mail yesterday. Rapid Outbreaks Australia and nations in South America had rapid outbreaks early in their winter season, and rates in those countries have begun to recede this month, the WHO said. South Africa was the biggest exception in the hemisphere, being struck first by seasonal flu strains that peaked in June, and only recently experiencing a second wave dominated by H1N1, the WHO said. Companies haven�t been able to grow enough antigen, a key ingredient needed for production, to fill vaccine orders, said Rachel David, a spokeswomen from CSL, and Kim White, a spokeswoman for Baxter International Inc. in telephone interviews last week. �It�s apparent that the vaccine availability is going to be delayed, and that the number of doses available is going to be less,� said Gregory A. Poland, head of the vaccine research group at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, in an Aug. 14 telephone interview. �Right now they are getting yields of about 50 percent roughly of what they expected.� Information about the required dose of vaccine and number of shots needed probably won�t be complete until late September, said Marie-Paule Kieny, director of the WHO�s initiative on vaccine research, in a telephone interview from Washington yesterday. Protection Priorities Authorities want to ensure adequate supplies to protect health-care workers, pregnant women, people at risk of developing severe complications from flu and children, whose close contact in tightly packed schoolrooms and in other social settings makes them the biggest spreaders of the virus. Part of the U.S. plan to vaccinate children is to encourage state and local health departments to set up school-based vaccine clinics. In the U.K., most shots will be given by family doctors and nurses who provide routine health care including seasonal flu shots, according to the Department of Health. Schools that arrange in-house immunizations will face logistical hurdles, said Mel Riddile, the National Association of Secondary School Principals� associate director for high school services in the U.S. Riddile, a former principal at a Fairfax County, Virginia, high school, said it typically took a month just for all 2,500 students to turn in their emergency medical information forms at the beginning of the school year. Immunization Permissions �It�s going to be difficult getting immunization permissions, particularly with some of the misconceptions about the effectiveness and the dangers around flu shots,� Riddile said in an interview Aug. 7. �It certainly can be done, but it�s going to be challenging for principals to pull that off.� Charles Saylors, president of the National Parent Teachers Association, the non-profit organization that helps organize parents and teachers in local PTA groups, said that even though he has never before received a shot for seasonal flu, he�ll get one for H1N1 when it becomes available. �I would like to see our communities, our families take this more seriously than they normally would a regular seasonal vaccine,� Saylors said. During the initial U.S. outbreak, hospitals saw a surge of patients that were either seriously ill or concerned about the virus. The federal government is now working with communities to encourage that only the sickest go to hospitals, with the rest making appointments with doctors or clinics, the HHS�s Kevin Yeskey said. �What we saw in the springtime was a lot of people who were referred directly to an emergency department rather than being seen in clinics,� said Yeskey, director of the Office of Preparedness and Emergency Operations. �That kind of overwhelmed� the hospitals, he said. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...=aoKnGT96tLng#

DMac00 | 08-19-2009 01:21 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Two million shots for most at risk of swine flu Quote:
Ben Packham and Stephen McMahon August 20, 2009 12:00am EXCLUSIVE: MILLIONS of Australians will be vaccinated against the deadly swine flu within weeks. Pregnant women, health workers and the chronically ill will be first to get the medicine. The Federal Government will take delivery of two million doses of the vaccine by the end of next week. More than 450,000 doses have been earmarked for Victoria - where 22 people with the disease have died. Special immunisation clinics are likely to be set up in major hospitals, while GPs will also administer the vaccine. Vaccinations could begin by September 7 if approval is given by Chief Medical Officer Jim Bishop and a team of health experts. The Government has ordered 21 million doses of the swine flu vaccine, enough to protect every Australian. Pregnant women, especially those in the second or third trimester, and anyone with a respiratory illness, such as asthma or cystic fibrosis, will be vaccinated first. Cardiac patients, cancer sufferers, the morbidly obese and those with type 2 diabetes would also get priority, along with doctors, nurses and other health workers. Federal health authorities are still awaiting safety data from vaccine manufacturer CSL before approving the massive vaccination program, which will be closely watched overseas. It is believed the Government is not fully satisfied with initial information provided by the company. CSL spokeswoman Rachel David said the vaccine was almost identical to its seasonal flu formulation, and trials had revealed no unanticipated side effects. "We have given the Government an initial safety update on the swine flu trials, which confirms there are no untoward or unexpected issues with adverse events," she said. "We will continue to monitor this throughout the trial and after the vaccine is released to the market." CSL will deliver the vaccine to the Government in batches until January. Victoria has been hard hit by swine flu, with almost 3000 confirmed cases and thousands more going undetected. Across the nation, there have been 32,224 confirmed cases and 121 people with the virus have died. A Department of Human Services spokesman said 22 Victorians were in hospital with the disease - nine in intensive care. "People at risk and front-line health care workers will be the first groups of people to get the vaccine," he said.

Twisted Avatar | 08-19-2009 02:50 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Presidents are now coming down with it....... Costa Rica's Arias works from home with swine flu SAN JOSE, Costa Rica (Reuters) - Costa Rican President Oscar Arias received treatment at home for the H1N1 swine flu virus on Wednesday, and officials said his symptoms were mild and he could recover by next week. Health ministry doctors tested people who have been in recent contact with the president, including members of his Cabinet, Arias' office said, a day after announcing he was ill with a mild case of the virus. The 68-year-old Nobel Peace Prize winner is the first head of state known to have contracted swine flu, which has spread around the world since April and could eventually affect 2 billion people.:4_1_72: Arias was being treated with the antiviral Tamiflu for symptoms like body aches and a sore throat, but was working on his computer and answering the telephone, presidential spokeswoman Lisbeth Barbosa said. "He will probably be back to a full schedule next Monday," she said. More than 20 people in Costa Rica have died of swine flu, which was declared a pandemic on June 11 and has killed more than 800 people worldwide. The World Health Organization stopped trying to get a precise count of flu cases. Arias is considered a high-risk case because he also suffers from asthma. He began feeling sick over the weekend and was tested for H1N1 on Monday. Vice Health Minister Ana Morice on Wednesday afternoon told Costa Rican television that Arias no longer had a fever and was mainly suffering from a sore throat. Last month, Arias brokered talks to resolve the political crisis in Honduras, where a de facto government unrecognized by most of the world has been holding power since the army ousted President Manuel Zelaya in a June 28 coup. Negotiations broke down two weeks ago over whether the interim leadership would let Zelaya return to power. Arias' illness is unlikely to affect the situation. (Reporting by John McPhaul; Editing by Will Dunham)

PatColo | 08-19-2009 04:45 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread FALSE FLAG FLU and VACCINE AGENDA NEWS Not vouching for this site. I notice in their audio file collection, they have many with "Dr. Bill Deagle", who's been a shill/provocateur in 911 Truth for several years already (space beams advocate). He now appears to be assigned with discrediting Jane Burgermeister. The reality behind Burgermeister is "unknown" to me, but the reality behind Deagle is "known bad", so Deagle's efforts to discredit Burgermeister is nominally a feather in her cap. Contrived spats between fake truthers to build the cred of one or the other shill, is another possibility to consider. But even then it's normally the "bad/obvious shill" attacking the "good/honest (shill)" to build the cred of the latter. Nothing I've seen or heard from Burgermeister has caused me to question her sincerity. With the public fast waking up to the flu/vax scam & mobilizing, just as there are fake "911 Truth" websites, it's obvious that similar disinfo campaigns, IE inside-provocateurs & fake "flu/vax truth" websites, seeking to obfuscate TPTB's much higher-stakes flu/vax depopulation racket, are inevitable. The people behind falseflagflu.com could just be benignly naive re Deagle. Or not, we can only continue to judge them by their fruits. "Good disinformation":rofl: is mostly verifiably correct, in order to attract sincere truth seekers, but it injects poison pills AKA turds in the punchbowl, which the MSM can then tout to marginalize/discredit the whole movement. http://falseflagflu.com do link to audio from a recent 4-hour flu/vax roundtable on Coast to Coast, which I listened to the first hour of. Lots more there, just keep your critical thinking cap on WRT what they post.

Canadian-guerilla | 08-19-2009 04:59 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread thanks PatC just as we are trying to post good info concerning the swine flu we should also be on guard for possible " disinfo " flu sites

Canadian-guerilla | 08-19-2009 07:01 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swine flu death toll close to 1800 August 20, 2009 05:35am SOME 1799 people have died in the swine flu pandemic since the new virus was uncovered in April, the World Health Organisation has said. The latest global toll was released by the WHO on its website today. The toll was higher than the 1462 deaths reported by the UN health agency just over a week ago. Ghana, Tuvalu and Zambia were the latest countries to report cases for the first time, the WHO said. Pandemic influenza A(H1N1) has now spread to more than 170 countries. The largest toll has been recorded in North and South America, with 1579 deaths, followed by the WHO's South East Asian region with 106 deaths and 53 in Europe. In all, 182,166 laboratory confirmed swine flu infections have been reported to the global health watchdog. However the WHO says that figure vastly understates the full number of infections since individual cases no longer have to be tested or reported in each country. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...-23109,00.html

PatColo | 08-19-2009 07:16 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Mainstream Belgium newspaper talks about rumours of "global genocide under the pretext of a pandemic"

Canadian-guerilla | 08-19-2009 08:30 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act: An Assault on Civil Liberties in the Name of Homeland Security June 10, 2002 A number of people have asked me what health freedom could possibly have to do with homeland security. Let me assure you that there is a major connection. It's called the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act. Those who have heard of it are far outnumbered by those who have not. And, as proposed, the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act will impact our individual freedoms and civil liberties for years to come. A HIDDEN AGENDA In response to the tragedy of September 11, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced its support for model legislation. The goal was to provide federal funds to states to encourage the enactment of legislation to prevent and detect bioterrorist attacks. Drafted for the Centers for Disease Control by academicians from the Center for Law and the Public's Health at Georgetown and Johns Hopkins Universities, the so-called Model State Emergency Health Powers Act was released on October 23, 2001. It is noteworthy that a key attorney who assisted in drafting this proposal was also very involved in Hillary Clinton's health care task force nearly a decade ago. It is also significant that two articles related to this proposal were published or prepared well before the Trade Center attacks. In January 1999, in a Columbia Law Review article, a plan was presented for changing public health laws. A similar plan appeared in an American Journal of Public Health article, published coincidentally in September 2001, but accepted for publication in March 2001. It appears that this model legislation--formulated long before the terrorism of last fall--actually represents the promotion and expansion of a long-standing agenda. As these proposals come before the individual states, our elected officials should be aware of this history and examine carefully all proposals submitted to them. Although this model legislation was recommended as a means to help states protect citizens against bioterrorist attacks and deal with national defense issues, the draft bill goes much, much further. It calls for giving state public health officials broad, new police powers--all in the name of controlling epidemics of infectious diseases during public health emergencies. Furthermore, with an equally broad stroke, this model legislation defines "infectious disease" as "a disease caused by a living organism." As drafted, the October 23, 2001, proposal stresses that "an infectious disease may or may not be transmissible from person to person, animal to person or insect to person." Thus, any disease caused by a living organism could be classified as an infectious disease creating or invoking a public health emergency. It is these broad definitions--painted with an overly broad brush in equally broad language--that our state officials and our state-based think tanks must be alerted to, aware of, and involved in examining as similar bills advance on state legislative agendas. Key to all of this is what may or may not be considered or defined as a "public health emergency." A THREAT TO FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS Under this legislative proposal, once a public health emergency is declared, governors and state public health authorities would be granted greatly expanded police powers. While a few other actions are enumerated, I want to bring to your attention 10 main powers conveyed into the hands of only a very few individuals by this model plan. Under the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act, upon the declaration of a "public health emergency," governors and public health officials would be empowered to: * Force individuals suspected of harboring an "infectious disease" to undergo medical examinations. * Track and share an individual's personal health information, including genetic information. * Force persons to be vaccinated, treated, or quarantined for infectious diseases. * Mandate that all health care providers report all cases of persons who harbor any illness or health condition that may be caused by an epidemic or an infectious agent and might pose a "substantial risk" to a "significant number of people or cause a long-term disability." (Note: Neither "substantial risk" nor "significant number" are defined in the draft.) * Force pharmacists to report any unusual or any increased prescription rates that may be caused by epidemic diseases. * Preempt existing state laws, rules and regulations, including those relating to privacy, medical licensure, and--this is key--property rights. * Control public and private property during a public health emergency, including pharmaceutical manufacturing plants, nursing homes, other health care facilities, and communications devices. * Mobilize all or any part of the "organized militia into service to the state to help enforce the state's orders." * Ration firearms, explosives, food, fuel and alcoholic beverages, among other commodities. * Impose fines and penalties to enforce their orders. As you can imagine, citizens across the country--at least the ones who were informed about it--were quite concerned about this model legislation. The American Legislative Exchange Council and other groups immediately began tracking the issue and reporting on how such legislation could affect citizens' individual freedoms and property rights. As Time magazine recently reported, gun activists were some of the strongest and most influential opponents. Consequently, a revised model bill was released on December 21, 2001. Both models--which the states are using in formulating legislation--are on line at www.publichealthlaw.net. I encourage you to read them. In an attempt to make the October draft appear less authoritarian, several words were changed in the December draft. For example, the revised language calls for "protecting" persons rather than "controlling" persons during a public health emergency. It says that the state would "manage" private property rather than "control" private property during a public health emergency. And it removes any direct mention of rationing firearms or alcoholic beverages but still retains the right to ration "other commodities," which clearly could be interpreted to include guns and alcoholic beverages--or many other items for that matter. The revised model bill also contained two major changes. For those who may have been concerned initially about the new police powers granted, the revised text actually broadens them to include local governments as well as state officials. Furthermore, the revised language incorporates powers over medical licensing laws. Thus, health care facilities, doctors, and other providers will have to abide by added licensure requirements during a public health emergency to maintain or guarantee their right to practice medicine or run a health care business. A DENIAL OF CONSCIENCE How this medical licensure clause would affect doctors' freedom of conscience--and medical freedom for us all--must be scrutinized. The state of Maryland's draft bill--one of the worst in the country, in my opinion--includes this language: "If the health care practitioner fails to comply with an order, regulation or directive, the secretary may request the appropriate licensing board to take disciplinary action against the health care practitioner." It goes on to authorize the imposition of fines of up to $10,000 for each offense. What does this mean in practicality? First, it means that a doctor, who might be opposed to abortion, would be forced by law during a public health emergency to administer a vaccine derived from fetal tissue. This legislation lays the groundwork for such a provision, and it clearly and absolutely infringes on doctors' and other health care providers' freedom of conscience. Second, it means each of us as individuals is affected. Patients would not be able to refuse these treatments. Whether state exemptions--those granted for religious or philosophical reasons regarding selected vaccines or types of treatments--would remain in effect or not remains unclear. This legislation fails to clarify that such exemptions will not be overridden. RECENT STATE ACTIVITY According to the American Legislative Exchange Council, 24 states have actually introduced versions of the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act. On their Web site--www.alec.org--a color-coded map, showing the status of this legislation in all 50 states, is maintained. According to their data, three states--New Mexico, South Dakota, and Utah--have passed legislation. Four states--Idaho, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming--have either inactivated or defeated this legislation.1 Clearly this legislation is being considered by a significant number of states across the country. It is our duty in the public policy community to help educate, inform, and alert both our state officials and state-based think tank leaders to the challenge to our freedoms and liberties this extreme model legislation will have for years to come. I truly hope our national leaders will reconsider the coercive provisions of this Model State Emergency Health Powers Act. We can and must find a better way to defend citizens against bioterrorism while protecting our precious individual freedoms--the very freedoms that this current war on terror is being waged to defend. As a gentleman reminded me recently, "You can't defend freedom by eliminating it." I believe--and believe it should be evident to you--that this model plan, if enacted throughout the states, would indeed do just that: eliminate our freedom to choose our medical care and health treatment and potentially eliminate a broader range of our basic civil liberties. http://www.heritage.org/research/hom...rity/hl748.cfm

PatColo | 08-19-2009 08:33 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread This Coast to Coast/Noory interview with Steve Quayle from 8/10 is good. In the last part they talk about gun/confiscation/etc. Also the "Model State Emergency Health Powers Act" which 'guerilla posted about just above (#52). Audio (40 minutes) Coast To Coast AM: George Noory and Steve Quayle C2CAM George Noory and Steve Quayle - H1N1 and Vaccine Agenda - Aug-10-2009 CLICK HERE to go to the download page, then click the button to start the download. Quayle's site: http://www.stevequayle.com

Canadian-guerilla | 08-19-2009 08:47 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread The 2009 Influenza A(H1N1) Outbreak: Selected Legal Issues PDF - May 4, 2009 30 pages - just a few blurbs here Mandatory Vaccinations History and Precedent Historically, the preservation of the public health has been the primary responsibility of state and local governments, and the authority to enact laws relevant to the protection of the public health derives from the state�s general police powers. With respect to the preservation of the public health in cases of communicable disease outbreaks, these powers may include the enactment of mandatory vaccination laws. Jacobson v. Massachusetts is the seminal case regarding a state�s or municipality�s authority to institute a mandatory vaccination program as an exercise of its police powers. In Jacobson, the Supreme Court upheld a Massachusetts law that gave municipal boards of health the authority to require the vaccination of persons over the age of 21 against smallpox, and determined that the vaccination program instituted in the City of Cambridge had �a real and substantial relation to the protection of the public health and safety.� In upholding the law, the Court noted that �the police power of a State must be held to embrace, at least, such reasonable regulations established directly by legislative enactment as will protect the public The Court added that such laws were within the full discretion of health and the public safety.� the state, and that federal powers with respect to such laws extended only to ensure that the state laws did not �contravene the Constitution of the United States or infringe any right granted or secured by that instrument.� Vaccination Orders During a Public Health Emergency Many states also have laws providing for mandatory vaccinations during a public health emergency or outbreak of a communicable disease. Generally, the power to order such actions rests with the governor of the state or with a state health officer. For example a governor may have the power to supplement the state�s existing compulsory vaccination programs and institute Or, a state health officer additional programs in the event of a civil defense emergency period. may, upon declaration of a public health emergency, order an individual to be vaccinated �for communicable diseases that have significant morbidity or mortality and present a severe danger In addition, exemptions may be provided for medical reasons or where to public health.� However, if a person refuses to be vaccinated, he objections are based on religion or conscience. or she may be quarantined during the public health emergency giving rise to the vaccination order. Model State Emergency Health Powers Act ( POST # 52 ) In addition to the current laws, many states have considered and have passed some or all of the provisions set forth in the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act (Model Act). The Model Act was drafted by The Center for Law and the Public's Health at Georgetown and Johns Hopkins Universities. It seeks to "grant public health powers to state and local public health authorities to ensure strong, effective, and timely planning, prevention, and response mechanisms to public With health emergencies (including bioterrorism) while also respecting individual rights." respect to vaccinations, the Model Act includes provisions similar to the current laws discussed above. Under the Model Act, during a public health emergency, the appropriate public health authority would be authorized to "vaccinate persons as protection against infectious disease and to prevent the spread of contagious or possibly contagious disease." The Model Act requires that the vaccine be administered by a qualified person authorized by the public health authority, and that the vaccine "not be such as is reasonably likely to lead to serious harm to the affected The Model Act recognizes that individuals may be unable or unwilling to undergo individual." vaccination "for reasons of health, religion, or conscience," and provides that such individuals may be subject to quarantine to prevent the spread of a contagious or possibly contagious disease. PDF

Canadian-guerilla | 08-20-2009 09:25 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swine flu vaccine order questioned Updated 5 hours 15 minutes ago A company developing a swine flu vaccine has questioned the Federal Government ordering another vaccine before knowing whether it is effective. The first batch of 21 million doses of the vaccine being developed by the pharmaceutical company CSL is expected to be delivered next week. Adelaide-based company Vaxine is developing another swine flu vaccine. The company's Professor Nikolai Petrovsky says data from his trials will be available within the next six weeks. "The Government is clearly purchasing the CSL vaccine even while they are waiting for data to show the CSL vaccine is effective," he said. "So in effect they are in a fortunate position of being able to sell their vaccine before they show it works, perhaps a slightly unusual situation, but that's where it's at. "Obviously you wouldn't want the Government to make very large purchases of a vaccine and then have that vaccine turn out not to be effective, because then the money would have obviously been wasted." http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...20/2662161.htm ************************************************** ** UPDATE 1-CSL says swine flu vaccine to boost 2010 growth Aug 18, 2009 Quote:
* Swine flu vaccine sales key to growth
************************************************ Three Girls Died, Others Hospitalized, After HPV Vaccine ( Gardisil ) July 4, 2007 Quote:
Shares of the vaccine�s Australian developer, CSL, fell after the incident was reported in the news.
*********************************************** CSL Biotherapies Contracts with U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to Provide... May 29. 2009 Quote:
CSL Biotherapies, Inc. announced today that it has signed a contract with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to provide Novel A (H1N1) influenza vaccine antigen in bulk form to support HHS' pandemic influenza preparedness efforts

studiopaul | 08-20-2009 11:53 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread a few days late, but useful Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 influenza update Friday 14 Aug 2009 The following news announcement was issued to press today: GSK today issued an update on its progress to develop a vaccine against the Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 influenza virus, and announced that it has commenced the clinical development programme for its adjuvanted pandemic vaccine. Enrollment into this first study has been completed. Dr.Thomas Breuer, Head of Global Clinical R&D and Chief Medical Officer of GSK Biologicals, said �GSK is making good progress with the development of its pandemic vaccine. Enrolment into the first study has been completed and in total, GSK will conduct 16 clinical trials of its pandemic vaccine in over 9000 individuals across Europe, Canada and the US. We continue to work closely with regulators and governments to assess and develop this vaccine.� The first clinical trial, being conducted in Germany, will assess the use of the vaccine in healthy adults. Initial data is expected to be available for sharing with regulatory authorities in September. Further trials of the Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 adjuvanted vaccine covering infants, children, adults and the elderly will commence over the coming weeks across Europe, Canada and the US. The clinical development programme, which has been designed in close partnership with regulatory authorities, will evaluate the immune response as well as tolerability and other safety aspects of the vaccine. All the final data on the clinical development programme will be submitted to the regulators as soon as they are available and will be posted on GSK�s Clinical Study Register. About the Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 vaccine The vaccine will comprise antigen of the recently isolated Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 influenza strain and also contain GSK's proprietary adjuvant system AS03. In clinical studies using the bird flu influenza strain (H5N1), the adjuvanted formulation has been shown to stimulate a higher immune response while using a smaller amount of antigen as compared to a formulation without adjuvant. The vaccine containing the adjuvant system therefore helps to substantially increase the number of vaccine doses that can be provided for mass vaccination.1 In addition, in clinical studies with the bird flu programme, the adjuvanted vaccine demonstrated the potential to provide protection even if the influenza strain drifts (changes slightly).2,3 Both the antigen sparing approach as well as the potential for additional protection against drifting strains are features for an impactful vaccine for use in a pandemic setting. GSK has received regulatory approvals in the European Union and some Asian countries for its pre-pandemic and pandemic H5N1 vaccines, both of which contain the AS03 adjuvant. Currently, clinical trials in over 39,000 people have demonstrated that the AS03 adjuvant system used with an influenza vaccine has an acceptable safety and reactogenicity profile. About the clinical trials The first clinical trial, being conducted in Germany, has started this week and enrolment has been completed. The trial will assess the use of the vaccine given as two doses, 21 days apart in 128 healthy adults, aged between 18 and 60. Initial data is expected to be available for submission to regulatory authorities in September. Additional trials planned in the clinical development programme are expected to commence shortly and include eight trials in healthy adults, five trials in children (including infants) and two trials in the elderly. Details of the clinical development programme will be posted to www.clinicaltrials.gov. GlaxoSmithKline � one of the world�s leading research-based pharmaceutical and healthcare companies � is committed to improving the quality of human life by enabling people to do more, feel better and live longer. For further information please visit www.gsk.com 1. Leroux-Roels et al. Antigen sparing and cross-reactive immunity with an adjuvanted rH5N1 prototype pandemic influenza vaccine: a randomised controlled trial. Lancet 2007; 370 (9587): 580�89. 2. Leroux-Roels I et al, Broad Clade 2 Cross-Reactive Immunity Induced by an Adjuvant systemed Clade 1 rH5N1 Pandemic Influenza Vaccine PLoS ONE 3(2): e 1665. doi:10.1371/jounal.pone.0001665 3. Baras et al. Cross-protection against lethal H5N1 challenge in ferrets with an adjuvanted pandemic influenza vaccine. PLoS ONE 2008; 3 (1): e1401.

studiopaul | 08-20-2009 11:54 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Did we cure the common cold??:banghead:

Canadian-guerilla | 08-20-2009 12:03 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread * follow link for more info * do your own re/search concerning this topic How to use vitamin D to fight swine flu As the H1N1 pandemic looms, it is heartening that Dr. Alexandra Yamschchikov and colleagues at Emory University conducted the first meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials of Vitamin D treatment of infections, concluding that significant scientific evidence exists to support further research of Vitamin D treating, not just preventing, infections like the flu. The only mistake I can see is that she confused activated Vitamin D and one of its analogs with Vitamin D. Yamshchikov AV, Desai NS, Blumberg HM, Ziegler TR, Tangpricha V. Vitamin D for treatment and prevention of infectious diseases: a systematic review of randomized controlled trials. Endocr Pract. 2009 Jul-Aug;15(5):438-49. If you have been taking 5,000 IU per day for several years, you know Vitamin D helps, but certainly does not prevent all respiratory infections. Because H1N1 may be deadly, besides taking 5,000 IU per day every day (1,000 IU for every 25 pounds of body weight for children) to prevent deficiency, make sure you have some 50,000 IU capsules of Vitamin D on hand this winter. I recommend 2,000 IU per day per kilogram of body weight (which is about 1,000 IU per day for every pound of body weight) for three days at the first sign of influenza. While there are no randomized controlled trials showing it will help, there is a randomized controlled trial showing such doses will not hurt. This month, Dr. Bacon and colleagues at the University of Auckland found that a single dose of 500,000 IU (half a million units) did no harm to the elderly; a month after a single 500,000 IU dose, Vitamin D levels were about 40 - 50 ng/ml; two months later they were deficient again, only 30 ng/ml. Bacon CJ, Gamble GD, Horne AM, Scott MA, Reid IR. High-dose oral vitamin D3 supplementation in the elderly. Osteoporos Int. 2009 Aug;20(8):1407-15. Editor's note: This article is cited from the Aug 19, 2009 vitamin D newsletter released by Vitamin D Council. It is likely that vitamin D helps fight swine flu because this vitamin is known to help boost immunity against bacteria and viruses by promoting production of antibACTERIAL PEPTIDES. However, just like we do not know how safe it is to use swine flu vaccine, we are not certain how effective it could be to use vitamin D to treat and or prevent swine flu. One thing for sure is that vitamin D is very safe to use. http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/...swine_flu.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-20-2009 12:10 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Handshakes banned in Toronto to check H1N1 August 20, 2009 Toronto, Canada, August 20: With the increasing number of swine flu cases being reported across the globe, countries are taking all possible measures to curb the menace. Latest to do so is the Canadian city Toronto. A Canadian mayor in Quebec has banned handshakes to check the spread of the A(H1N1) virus. Since its outbreak in April, the swine flu influenza has claimed 66 lives in the country, including 21 in French-speaking Quebec province. Though at present the virus has been more or less contained, the health authorities warned people for another dangerous outbreak during the winter season this year. L'Ancienne-Lorette mayor taking the precaution seriously Since the province of L'Ancienne-Lorette city goes to civic elections on Nov. 1, its mayor is taking the warning rather seriously. Fearing the handshakes will spread the influenza during the campaign, Mayor Emile Loranger has decided to ban this social custom in their region. �On the campaign trail, you meet tons of people every day. By avoiding shaking hands, we want to protect the health of our citizens,� said Loranger. He informed the masses that his staff will avoid organizing public gatherings during the campaign in the city which is home to 12,000 voters. The city is one of 1,100 cities and towns in Quebec that are going for municipal elections at the start of the winter flu season this year. "We have to look beyond politics. It is not worth it to take risks when you know that kids are more vulnerable to the virus," he was quoted as saying. The opposition However, authorities at provincial public health don't agree with the mayor's decision. �We are closely monitoring the evolution of the virus and we think the best way to prevent infection is still to have good hygiene, such as washing hands regularly,� said Dominique Breton, a health spokeswoman. In its A(H1N1) advisory, the Health Canada has advised people to cover up coughs and sneezes with their hands, avoid physical contact with anyone (especially who is sick) and stay at home if experiencing flu-like symptoms. http://www.themedguru.com/20090820/n...-86127278.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-20-2009 12:17 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread MSC Cruises to use thermal imaging cameras to look for H1N1 MSC Cruises will use thermal imaging cameras to detect whether its passengers might be infected with H1N1 swine flu. Since the worldwide outbreak of the flu last spring, most cruise lines use enhanced influenza screening procedures at embarkation such as questionnaires and secondary screening for passengers with flu-like symptoms. MSC is going a step further, explaining that one of the principal indicators of influenza is body temperature. The Italian line said it will have sophisticated thermal imaging cameras on every one of its 11 ships, allowing its medical staff to monitor the temperature of every embarking passenger. "An infrared camera is a very effective yet non-intrusive tool for detecting people infected with a viral disease even at a very early stage," MSC cruises spokeswoman Cheryl Fenske said in an email. Fenske said that the within seconds, the cameras produces infrared images, or heat pictures, of a person�s body which detects whether that person's temperature exceeds a certain threshold. MSC has not given up on old-fashioned detection methods either. The line has also upgraded the hand sanitizers in most public areas of its ships and introduced a new �How to Stay Safe� video on each ship�s in-cabin TV network. http://www.usatoday.com/travel/cruis...=68497380.blog conditioning for the people ? when people get back from their vacation, they'll tell their friends, " i was scanned with some gadget for my safety "

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Canadian-guerilla | 08-20-2009 12:29 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Pandemic could be the making of FluMist August 20, 2009 The swine flu pandemic could make AstraZeneca's premium price for MedImmune look prescient. The drugmaker plans to produce 200 million doses of MedImmune's nasal-spray vaccine FluMist by March, Bloomberg reports, in a move that could generate some $2.3 billion in sales through 2010. That's quite a surge from the $104 million the product brought in last year. And it would make FluMist one of MedImmune's best sellers, at least partly justifying the $15 billion AstraZeneca paid for the company back in 2007. "This puts MedImmune in a better light and helps pay back some of that $15 billion," Jeffrey Holford, a Jefferies analyst, told the news service. "This is the first positive surprise that's tangible." To make that happen, MedImmune has to expand FluMist use beyond U.S. borders. Currently, the vaccine is only approved in the United States, but the company has applied for approval in Canada and Europe, and it's working with the WHO to get FluMist into developing countries. European regulators say they're expediting review of FluMist in light of the pandemic. The company also has to come up with an alternative to the spray devices now used to deliver FluMist; its production of the vaccine is outstripping its supplier's ability to make the sprayers. It's working on using droppers or nasal swabs instead. http://www.fiercepharma.com/story/pa...#ixzz0Ojr17p0r $104 million >>>>>> $2.3 billion $ $ $ $ $ $

PatColo | 08-20-2009 02:16 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Thanks to OP "Ryedale" and esp to the 'guerilla for all your work in this thread. Great hub of flu/vax conspiracy news & views. Until further notice, I reckon this issue is the elephant in the living room of humanity. Michal Nield of the UK, who wrote the excellent free e-book "The Police State Roadmap" (largely a compilation of other peoples' original work, but Nield duly credits them, and ties it all together into a 'big picture' as skillfully as anything I've seen), has this similarly excellent big-picture summary about TPTB's agenda to genocide much of the population, likely via a flu/vax hoax. The article is dated 9/11/05, but it's as timely as ever: Peak Oil, Pandemic, and 78 Dead Scientists. (He smartly pleads agnosticism WRT the Peak Oil Theory) In other news, Karl Denninger: Depression Assured? Maybe (Swine Flu) Chossudovsky: Fear, Intimidation & Media Disinformation: U.K Government is Planning Mass Graves in Case of H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic German mainstream media lashes out at WHO flu jab

JJ_ | 08-20-2009 05:20 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread 54 U.S. College Students Sick With Suspected H1N1 Thursday, August 20, 2009 http://www.foxnews.com/images/service_ap_36.gif Print <SCRIPT src="http://w.sharethis.com/widget/?tabs=email%2Cweb&charset=utf-8&services=digg%2Cfacebook%2Cmyspace%2Cdelicious%2 Cstumbleupon%2Ctechnorati%2Cgoogle_bmarks%2Cyahoo_ bmarks%2Cyahoo_myweb%2Cwindows_live%2Cfriendfeed%2 Cnewsvine%2Cmixx%2Cfurl%2Cmagnolia%2Creddit&style= rotate&publisher=ccd2a158-6cce-4bbc-afa8-1d2dc62fe84c&headerbg=%23c9cad4&linkfg=%230f0fa9&e mbeds=true" type=text/javascript _extended="true"></SCRIPT>ShareThis TUSCALOOSA, Ala. � University of Alabama officials say 54 cases of influenza were reported on the first day of school. John Maxwell of the Student Health Center says most of the cases are likely the H1N1 virus and says health officials believe the outbreak started with sorority rush last week. He says "everyone is a little bit edgy" after the group of mostly students tested positive as school began Tuesday. But he says the school has prepared throughout the summer for a surge of the H1N1 virus. Maxwell says the university has set up a flu hot line for parents and students. And he says the roommates of students who test positive for the virus are immediately prescribed anti-flu drugs.

reviver | 08-20-2009 05:32 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1878116) TUSCALOOSA, Ala. � University of Alabama officials say 54 cases of influenza were reported on the first day of school. John Maxwell of the Student Health Center says most of the cases are likely the H1N1 virus and says health officials believe the outbreak started with sorority rush last week.
I wonder if they all drank from the same punchbowl...

GoldJag | 08-20-2009 08:57 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadian-guerilla (Post 1877588) * follow link for more info * do your own re/search concerning this topic How to use vitamin D to fight swine flu l[/url]
YES Vitamin D is good for your body. Vit. D is not an actual vitamin--It is actually a steroid. BTW why is this in survival section. You won't catch the flu in your bug out locations if you are isolated.

JJ_ | 08-20-2009 09:14 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Take it from Gj... Vit D is the shiznit:bear_rolleyes:

GoldJag | 08-20-2009 09:27 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1878480) Take it from Gj... Vit D is the shiznit:bear_rolleyes:
Hmmmm.....Et tu

sunshine05 | 08-20-2009 10:34 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Does anyone recommend a source of Vitamin D? I'm about to order some things but not sure what kind to get. I want to get some for kids too, maybe chewable if possible. I'll try to make sure they get enough sun too. ETA: Does anyone know if fish oil is a source of vit D?

BeeYourself | 08-20-2009 10:52 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread I really want to follow this data, but I prefer not to have it placed all into one thread like some mashup. I cannot follow it that well this way. I hope some of the more important posts will find their own threads.

BeeYourself | 08-20-2009 10:53 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
ETA: Does anyone know if fish oil is a source of vit D?
sardines and sunlight. You can get cheap sardines from any Mediterranean grocery store.

GoldJag | 08-20-2009 10:53 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by sunshine05 (Post 1878625) Does anyone recommend a source of Vitamin D? I'm about to order some things but not sure what kind to get. I want to get some for kids too, maybe chewable if possible. I'll try to make sure they get enough sun too. ETA: Does anyone know if fish oil is a source of vit D?
Ergocalciferol comes in liquid form I have good info on vit. D. I will look for it and post it soon.

AMforPM | 08-21-2009 07:48 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread In the tinfoil dept (but not that deep) the 1918 flu may have been a vaccine delivered bioweapon given to US troops heading to training bases in Spain. That flu was rebuilt from a body dug out of permafrost. I have wondered if the 'pandemic' was timed to cover the dollar collapse. That 'model' law is horrific. Quote:
When federal and state public health officials convince your Governor to declare a public health emergency, they want to be able to use the state militia to: * take control of all roads leading into and out of your cities and state; * seize your house, car, telephones, computers, food, fuel, clothing, firearms and alcoholic beverages for their own use (and not be held liable if these actions result in the destruction of your personal property); * arrest, imprison and forcibly examine, vaccinate and medicate you and your children without your consent (and not be held liable if these actions result in your death or injury).
Under some versions it is a felony to refuse vaccination. So I'm thinking if too many sheep wake up mad, this is the how to get martial law and kill most of the fit hot headed young men plan. The only worse thing I can think of is TPTB decided Americans are too much trouble, just kill them and pay the Chinese debt with land, and take your fortunes elsewhere. I don't believe that though. I do believe the flu is a bioweapon.

Ryedale | 08-21-2009 09:02 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by BeeYourself (Post 1878656) I really want to follow this data, but I prefer not to have it placed all into one thread like some mashup. I cannot follow it that well this way. I hope some of the more important posts will find their own threads.
I started a poll asking for a swine flu subforum, but it was quickly poo-pooed and likened to Chemtrails and 9-11 by a mod, and the suggestion for a sticky was given. I think a subforum under some larger forum would have been good. A subforum would have worked better as compared to one thread similar to the Axtones gold thread (no offence Ax, just a good example of a long single thread). Shoot we have a whole "forum" on Colloidal silver with a grand total of 331 posts and 3223 views and it's been around for 5 years if I'm reading the post history correctly. This "thread" has been around for 5 days and has 71 replies and 1357 views. It's pretty obvious people are quite focused/interested on this issue, whether it's goverment staged bullshit, hype, or real. . JMHO

Ryedale | 08-21-2009 09:20 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Please vote in the poll if you want a sub forum for swine flu and vaccination. I reopened the poll on Aug 21 2009. Thanks http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=399584

Canadian-guerilla | 08-21-2009 09:51 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread D.C., Virginia 6th Graders to Take HPV Vaccine posted 08/21/09 5:27 am WASHINGTON, D.C. - In D.C. and Virginia this school year, girls entering sixth grade for the first time will need to get the HPV vaccine. Although the new mandates isn't required, some medical professionals feel that the risks associated with the HPV disease should be reason enough for parents to have their child take the vaccine. "If there's almost a 20 percent chance that your young person can be exposed to this," says Dr. Kathy Woodward, adolescent medicine specialist. "Most parents would want to use that protection." The vaccine is controversial because it's recommended for pre-teen girls before their first sexual encounter. Some parents say the decision to take the vaccine should be left up to the parent. "We want our young girls to be protected.. we don't want a mandate and we think that parents need to be informed and they should have access to balance information," said Tracy Lloyd, parent. Critics say the vaccine has not been adequately tested and two recent studies have found low rates of side effects with the HPV vaccine, gardasil. However, several cases of fainting or dizziness and a total of 32 deaths have been reported. Still, many doctors say the drug is very effective in reducing a woman's chances of getting cervical cancer during her lifetime. http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0809/651791.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-21-2009 10:48 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread WHO predicts 'explosion' of swine flu cases BEIJING � The global spread of swine flu will endanger more lives as it speeds up in coming months and governments must boost preparations for a swift response, the World Health Organization said Friday. There will soon be a period of further global spread of the virus, and most countries may see swine flu cases double every three to four days for several months until peak transmission is reached, said WHO's Western Pacific director, Shin Young-soo. "At a certain point, there will seem to be an explosion in case numbers," Shin told a symposium of health officials and experts in Beijing. "It is certain there will be more cases and more deaths." WHO has declared the swine flu strain a pandemic, and it has killed almost 1,800 people worldwide through last week. International attention has focused on how the pandemic is progressing in southern hemisphere countries such as Australia, which are experiencing winter and their flu season. But it is in developing countries where the accelerated spread of swine flu poses the greatest threat as it places underequipped and underfunded health systems under severe strain, Shin said. WHO earlier estimated that as many as 2 billion people could become infected over the next two years � nearly one-third of the world's population. Health officials and drug makers are looking into ways to speed up production of a vaccine before the northern hemisphere enters its flu season in coming months. Estimates for when a vaccine will be available range from September to December. Delegates from Bangladesh and Myanmar appealed for help in procuring vaccines or making them more affordable for poorer countries, saying they were left vulnerable while rich nations pre-ordered most of the available stock. "Developing countries like us, we have to fight this war without vaccines," said Mya Oo, deputy health minister of Myanmar. He urged pharmaceutical companies to consider selling the vaccines to developing countries at just above cost. WHO's flu chief, Keiji Fukuda, said the agency was working hard on the issue, and noted that two drug makers had pledged to donate 150 million doses of vaccine to poorer countries by the end of October. He said more research was needed to determine how vaccines will be priced. "Among the many pandemic response issues, this is probably the most critical issue: how we mobilize the vaccines, how we get them to developing countries," Fukuda said. WHO has stressed that most cases of swine flu are mild and require no treatment, but the fear is that a rash of new infections could overwhelm hospitals and health authorities, especially in poorer countries. Shin said governments must act quickly to educate the public, prepare their health systems to care for severe cases and protect those deemed more vulnerable to prevent unnecessary deaths. "We only have a short time period to reach the state of preparedness deemed necessary," Shin said. "Communities must be aware before a pandemic strikes as to what they can do to reduce the spread of the virus, and how to obtain early treatment of severe cases." Pregnant women face a higher risk of complications, and the virus also has more severe effects on people with underlying medical conditions such as asthma, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, autoimmune disorders and diabetes, WHO chief Margaret Chan said in a video address. The last pandemic � the Hong Kong flu of 1968 � killed about 1 million people. Ordinary flu kills about 250,000 to 500,000 people each year. Swine flu is also continuing to spread during summer in the northern hemisphere. Normally, flu viruses disappear with warm weather, but swine flu is proving to be resilient. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...H0RwgD9A75RKG0 Quote:
WHO earlier estimated that as many as 2 billion people could become infected over the next two years � nearly one-third of the world's population
IF there is a " conspiracy " of world de-population, this swine flu pandemic may be the perfect vehicle

Canadian-guerilla | 08-21-2009 11:59 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Chile says H1N1 flu detected in turkeys 21 Aug 2009 02:55:29 GMT SANTIAGO, Aug 20 (Reuters) - Chile has detected the H1N1 flu virus in turkeys at two farms, health authorities said on Thursday. It is the first time the virus, which is known as "swine flu" and has likely infected millions of people globally, has been found in animals other than pigs. The Chilean animal health services said in a release that the flu outbreak has been controlled at the two farms and that turkey meat and products were safe for consumption. http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N20534612.htm

Canadian-guerilla | 08-21-2009 02:50 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread So far, "no red flags" seen in H1N1 vaccine Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:29pm EDT CHICAGO (Reuters) - Clinical trials for the new swine flu vaccine have turned up no "red flags," U.S. health officials said on Friday. The first results from studies of the new vaccines in adults and the elderly will be available in mid-September, but so far, the only complaints seem to be a bit of local soreness and redness in the arm at the injection site, they said. "There are no red flags regarding safety," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, one of the National Institutes of Health. Fauci said no side effects were seen 10 to 14 days after the first studies in adults, giving health officials the confidence to start trials of the vaccines in children this week. There is no sign yet of whether the new vaccines will produce enough of an immune response to protect people against the new pandemic H1N1 flu. Two trials are underway in adults for the safety and effectiveness of two doses of the vaccine. The trials, which are also looking at whether one or two vaccinations will be needed, are nearly fully enrolled. "We expect first dose data somewhere around mid-September if all goes well, and second dose data by mid-October," Fauci said in a telephone news briefing. He said first dose data from the trial in children will be available in late September, and second dose data will be ready in late October. Fauci said studies in pregnant women should begin in early September, as will studies using an immune system booster called an adjuvant. In all, the vaccines will be tested on nearly 4,600 people. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said swine flu is still spreading widely across the United States, with 75 percent of serious cases and 60 percent of deaths among people under the age of 49. Alaska and Maine had "widespread" activity. CDC has officially confirmed 7,963 hospitalizations and 522 deaths from the pandemic H1N1 flu, said CDC's Dr. Jay Butler. He said there were likely more than a million actual cases, as most patients never get tested. "It is important to remember that at this time of year we don't normally have influenza," Butler said. He said the government expected to have 45 million to 52 million swine flu vaccine doses by mid October, when vaccination is expected to begin, and 195 million by the end of the year. Fauci said even after people are vaccinated they should be aware they are not immediately protected -- the immune response from a vaccine takes about two weeks to develop. Five companies are making both seasonal and H1N1 flu vaccines for the U.S. market -- AstraZeneca's MedImmune unit, CSL, GlaxoSmithKline Plc, Novartis AG Sanofi-Aventis SA. Fauci said he expects an upsurge of flu cases in the autumn, as weather cools and students return to school. U.S. government officials have urged schools and businesses to encourage people to stay home when they are sick, to wash their hands frequently and keep workspaces clean. Butler said reports from Chile that turkeys have become infected with H1N1 virus are not a surprise. "Because of the swine characteristics of this virus, it can have the capacity to infect turkeys," he said. http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...nnel=0&sp=true

keehah | 08-21-2009 03:25 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Policemans-wife-wrongly-diagnosed-swine-flu-dies-legionnaires-disease-terrible-circumstances Quote:
Carol Rowe, 46 was told she had swine flu by an ambulance crew who 'refused' to take her to hospital twice after emergency calls. ...An inquest has opened at Reading, Berkshire, into her death, which was told she had died from sepsis due to Legionella.

Canadian-guerilla | 08-21-2009 08:35 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swine Flu Pandemic Paradox Kills Few, Overwhelms ICUs (Update2) Aug. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Swine flu filled up Geoff Shaw�s intensive care unit in Christchurch, New Zealand, last month, forcing some surgeries to be canceled as the hospital struggled to cope. As winter moves to the Northern Hemisphere, health officials from Chicago to London brace for a similar overload. �We have run out of bed space, we have run out of nurses,� Shaw, 47, said after working in the ICU and being on- call for 185 hours over 11 days. �There will be people who die because they were denied access to other treatments.� Health officials call it the swine flu paradox. As the new H1N1 strain spreads, the majority of patients recover within days and the number of deaths is a fraction of the seasonal flu toll. Those statistics mask an alarming reality: the pandemic has strained intensive care units and a resurgence of the virus in the fall could bring a public health disaster, experts say. �We have largely been fortunate,� said Simon Towler, an intensive care specialist at the Royal Perth Hospital and Western Australia�s chief medical officer. �If we had a severe flu of a different type we would be in massive trouble. The systems really don�t have the capacity to cope with a surge.� Last weekend, a quarter of Western Australia�s 105 adult intensive care beds were occupied by swine flu patients who needed ventilators to breathe, according to Towler. The experience in Australia and New Zealand offers clues about what North America, Europe and Japan may see when winter moves in. Artificial Lung �The Northern Hemisphere medical care requirements for the next six months are a train wreck waiting to happen,� said Michael Osterholm, director of the University of Minnesota�s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy in Minneapolis. �In the fall, even if nothing else changes in terms of the virus�s severity and our preparedness, it�s going to be a real challenge.� In the U.K., where swine flu sparked a summer wave of illness worse than the previous 10 winters, about 1 in 10 patients hospitalized for the virus end up in intensive care, according to Liam Donaldson, England�s chief medical officer. In Australia, that proportion is about 25 percent, he said. �They have had a relatively high level of intensive care admissions amongst hospitalized patients,� Donaldson told reporters in London yesterday. �We might end up like that, but we can�t be 100 percent sure.� Bypass Patients While fewer than 0.5 percent of swine flu sufferers may need hospitalization, those who do can remain in intensive care for up to three weeks, occupying a bed that could be used for 15 heart bypass patients. Christchurch Hospital, the biggest on New Zealand�s South Island, postponed non-emergency procedures requiring an ICU stay such as heart bypass as flu patients -- three-quarters needing mechanical ventilation -- filled up the 12-bed unit and nine other hastily created intensive-care beds, according to Shaw. What�s more, a 10th of those critically ill patients needed their blood pumped through an artificial lung, a procedure known as extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, or ECMO, that only one hospital in New Zealand offers. �I�ve seen nothing like this,� said John Beca, head of pediatric intensive care at New Zealand�s national children�s hospital in Auckland. Five of Beca�s six ECMO units have been used simultaneously this winter. He�s ordering three more. Life Support Maquet Cardiopulmonary AG, a subsidiary of Sweden�s Getinge AB, received a 50 percent jump in orders for the life-support system in Australia, Clinical Director Juergen Boehm said. The German company is doubling production of the units, which cost as much as 60,000 euros ($85,000) apiece, and plans to increase its inventory of tubes, artificial lungs and other disposable ECMO equipment to about 500 sets, from 100 usually. Sales for ECMO disposable equipment in Europe rose about 50 percent during July, Boehm said by e-mail today. �Hardware figures are slightly but constantly increasing in Europe as well during the last months,� he said. Orders for ECMO accessories are up about 20 percent in Australia and New Zealand, said Joseph McGrath, a spokesman for Minneapolis-based Medtronic Inc., which also makes the devices. Sanofi-Aventis SA, GlaxoSmithKline Plc and Novartis AG are racing to prepare millions of inoculations against the new virus and test them before the weather turns colder in the hope of blunting the pandemic. Paris-based Sanofi began vaccine trials on Aug. 6 and needs �two to three months� to complete them. London-based Glaxo has said it began testing this month. The U.S. expects the first shots to be delivered mid-October. Vaccine Hopes �Hopefully the vaccines will get out and the Northern Hemisphere�s experience will be dramatically mitigated,� Towler said. �But there will be some people who either won�t get vaccinated or won�t be protected, and the lessons from the Southern Hemisphere, particularly countries like Australia and New Zealand, will be important.� More than a dozen flu patients were entering intensive care units daily in Sydney a month ago, compared with five at the peak of a regular winter flu season, said Tim Smyth, deputy director general of health for New South Wales. Health officials in the state, home to one in three Australians, are equipping a helicopter with the lung bypass machine to retrieve patients from remote hospitals. The average age of patients in intensive care is 40 years, according to Smyth, and most have an underlying condition such as diabetes or heart disease, or are pregnant or obese. Years Lost �If you quantify the impact in terms of the number of life-years lost, then this pandemic could well end up being more severe than a typical flu season,� Neil N. Ferguson, professor of epidemiology at London�s Imperial College, said in an Aug. 13 telephone interview. In some patients, the virus causes such a severe assault on the respiratory tract that the lungs become inflamed and the grape-like sacs where gas is exchanged are injured, causing bleeding and a critical loss of oxygen supply. �We are all concerned given the severity of this disease and the significant critical care support and resource utilization required for the successful treatment of these patients,� said Lena Napolitano, chief of acute care surgery at the University of Michigan Health System at Ann Arbor. Studies in the U.S. show that the group of patients requiring mechanical ventilation for at least four days is growing six times faster than the rest of hospitalizations, said Marya Zilberberg, a scientist with the Amherst EviMed Research Group at the University of Massachusetts. Stress Capacity The pandemic will only add to that demand, Zilberberg said. �My sense is that it may stress our capacity to its limit and beyond,� she said. Worldwide, the H1N1 virus has killed about 1,800 people as of Aug. 13, according to the World Health Organization. The median age of death in Australia is 56 -- compared with 83 years for seasonal flu fatalities. �It�s striking young people down,� said Shaw, the intensive care specialist in Christchurch. �We are seeing people largely between the ages of 20 and 50. That really is quite different from anything else we have ever had.� Australia shows how the pandemic has confounded expectations: Intensive care accounts for about a quarter of hospital stays, Jim Bishop, Australia�s chief medical officer, said last week. The government had anticipated only 10 percent of those hospitalized would need critical care, yet expected more deaths: its modeling predicted 6,000, and 121 have died so far. �There is something very different about this virus,� said Heath Kelly, head of epidemiology at Victoria state�s infectious diseases reference laboratory in Melbourne. �In ICUs, it looks worse� than expected, he said. �But everywhere else you look, it looks better. That�s the interesting paradox.� http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a74PVQloYnFc

Canadian-guerilla | 08-21-2009 08:49 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Japan's H1N1 cases at flu epidemic stage Saturday, Aug. 22, 2009 Tamiflu stockpile sufficient to deal with virus: expert On the basis of substantially increased hospitalizations, the H1N1 swine flu outbreak was declared an epidemic by the National Institute of Infectious Diseases on Friday. According to the NIID, the average number of flu patients per hospital during the week of Aug. 10 to 16 was 1.69. A number of 1.00 or above signals an epidemic. Most of the flu patients are believed to have the H1N1 strain of type-A flu, the institute said, adding it estimates their number to be about 110,000. Since early July, swine flu patients have increased in number by 1.7 times each week. Three recently died within the span of five days. The NIID said the number of patients per hospital exceeded 1.00 in hospitals surveyed by 264 public health centers in 44 prefectures, excluding Hokkaido, Toyama and Kumamoto, indicating the epidemic is increasing in both area and level, it said. With the first deaths in Japan from the H1N1 virus, there is a renewed sense of anxiety on the streets. But according to an infectious diseases expert, what may seem a sudden lethal outbreak is only the expected return of the new flu by fall, which the nation has already prepared to deal with by stockpiling the virus-fighting drugs Tamiflu and Relenza. "This is only the beginning of the first big wave, and it will continue to spread into September and October," said Norio Sugaya, an infectious diseases expert and head of the pediatrics department at Keiyu Hospital in Kanagawa Prefecture. "It came slightly earlier than expected, but it's hardly a surprise," he added. From Aug. 15 to Wednesday, the H1N1 strain claimed three lives, in Okinawa, Kobe and Nagoya. All had other previously existing illnesses that are believed to have contributed to their deaths. The institute said Okinawa averaged 29.60 patients per hospital, followed by Nara Prefecture with 2.96, Shiga Prefecture with 2.48, Fukushima Prefecture with 2.45 and Tokyo with 2.14 per hospital. Although Okinawa's tropical climate may help the new virus spread regardless of the season, the situation is worse in even warmer climates, Sugaya said. He pointed to Thailand, where the new H1N1 strain has claimed over 100 lives, many during the summer, and thousands more are infected. "Since it is a new virus and no one is immune to it, even a small amount of it can make you ill," Sugaya said. "And it will be worse in midwinter when the virus will increase in number and live longer." Globally, there were more than 182,000 confirmed cases of swine flu and nearly 1,800 deaths as of Aug. 13, according to the World Health Organization, which earlier declared an H1N1 pandemic. But the group says that since countries are no longer required to test and report individual cases, the true figures are probably higher. By mid-August, the U.S. recorded over 7,500 hospitalizations and nearly 480 deaths, according to the government's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In England and Scotland, where the new virus has already spread considerably, there are around 25,000 to 30,000 new cases every week, according to the Health Protection Agency, a nondepartmental public body in charge of health matters in the U.K. In Japan, there have been 230 hospitalizations so far, according to the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare. Since the first swine flu-related domestic deaths, the government has begun urging citizens to take preventive measures, including wearing masks, washing hands and gargling, as it had done when the virus first arrived in May...... But Keiyu Hospital's Sugaya said such precautions are largely ineffective. "The virus is not so mild that you can prevent it just by doing those things," he said. Instead, the government should be looking ahead and publishing estimates of patient numbers and death tolls for the coming months, as in other areas of the world, he said. "(Government officials have been) slow to react. They say the people have become lax (about swine flu) in recent months, but they have, too." The Stockholm-based European Center for Disease Prevention and Control has made a risk assessment for Europe, where in most areas, like Japan, the first major H1N1 wave is expected soon. The center estimates 20 percent to 30 percent of the population will be infected, albeit mildly, most frequently among vulnerable groups such as children and those with underlying chronic medical conditions. They say the hospitalization rate will reach 1 percent to 2 percent by winter, and the fatality rate will be around 0.1 percent to 0.2 percent. If these statistics are applied to Japan, which has a population of 127 million, the country will see more than 25 million confirmed cases and 1.2 million hospitalizations. There could also be as many as 127,000 deaths, which puts the current toll into perspective, Sugaya said. But the expert said Japan is better equipped than other countries to protect its citizens because it excels in the distribution of antiviral drugs. "Compared to other countries, Japan has considerably fewer seriously ill patients, and that is because they give out Tamiflu and Relenza," he said. While in other countries these drugs are not widely used, partly due to the cost, Japan has a stockpile large enough to treat 60 million people, and doctors are quick to administer them to virtually all H1N1 patients, he said. Tamiflu and Relenza are more reliable methods of treating the new flu than a vaccine, which will not be ready by fall and in too short supply to give to all those at risk, Sugaya said. On Thursday, the health ministry reduced its previous estimate of the number of people who can be treated with the vaccine by the end of the year from 14 million to 13 million. The treatment will start from mid- to late October, a spokeswoman for the ministry's tuberculosis and infectious diseases division said. Despite the late and inadequate supply of the vaccine, Sugaya remains confident that Japan will be ready to fight the infections come fall. "As long as proper measures are taken and Tamiflu or Relenza are administered, Japan is fully equipped to deal with the wave," he said. Information from Kyodo added Woman's lungs failing NAGANO (Kyodo) A woman infected with the H1N1 strain of influenza has fallen seriously ill and been placed on a ventilator, the Nagano Prefectural Government said Thursday, a day after the government declared a full-fledged flu epidemic. Though the woman, who is in her 30s, has no underlying risk factors, her lungs began to fail after she was confirmed infected with the new flu virus Monday, Nagano officials said, adding that she remains conscious. A resident of Chikuma, she developed a 39.7-degree fever and other symptoms a week ago and tested positive for influenza A on Aug. 14. She was hospitalized Monday as her condition worsened and taken to another hospital Wednesday after failing to improve, they said. A facility for the disabled she visited confirmed an outbreak of the flu last week, according to the officials. In Tokushima Prefecture, 39 participants from two groups at an annual Awaodori dance festival held from Aug. 12 through Sunday have tested positive for influenza A. Three of them were confirmed infected with the new flu, the prefecture said, adding that all are recuperating at home. The epidemic, which health minister Yoichi Masuzoe declared Wednesday after a report of the third death in Japan since Saturday, also began to affect the ongoing campaigns for the Aug. 30 House of Representatives election. The ruling Liberal Democratic Party asked all its candidates in a written message Thursday to make antiseptics available at campaign rallies, and to ensure their health and that of their campaigners. http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-b...0090822a1.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-21-2009 08:52 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Alabama changes swine flu policy; no test needed August 21, 2009 12:54 PM ET MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - Alabama health officials say routine testing for the swine virus is no longer necesarry because patients with flu-like symptoms most likely have swine flu. State Health Officer Dr. Don Williamson said Friday that the department is now looking for changes in the virus instead of focusing on the number of cases in the state. Williams said they are putting in place a statewide system where the department will receive samples from each county every week. He said the state lab's limited capacity means that the agency is restricting testing to hospitalized patients, pregnant women and certain others. More than 99% of all samples tested during the past four weeks were positive for swine flu. http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=10969969

Canadian-guerilla | 08-21-2009 08:58 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Officials Warn of H1N1 Outbreak Posted: Aug 21, 2009 Get ready for the latest round of H1N1 virus. That's the message from the World Health Organization. They believe the US will see another resurgence of the disease this fall. So far flu levels are low nationwide, but numbers still exceed what's expected in late summer. Nearly 80-thousand Americans have been hospitalized by H1N1. More than 500 deaths are reported here in the US. The CDC says they're making progress developing a plan for distributing vaccine, once it's available. With the start of school right around the corner, the federal government is also warning colleges to prepare for an outbreak. MSU officials are preparing for every possible scenario. It happens every fall, 40,000 students come to MSU's campus, 15,000 of them living together in the dorms. It's a recipe for a swine flu disaster, a disaster MSU officials are trying to prevent. Official: "In the planning process we've got representation from every aspect of the institution." University officials say they're planning for a minor outbreak and even a severe outbreak, one where they might have to cancel classes. Official: "That's the part we're working on now, on how we handle that in terms of course credit, or attendance in classes, or just taking care of our sick students." But before it gets to that point, the school hopes to prevent the sickness altogether. MSU plans to educate their students, not just on academics, but also on hygiene. Official: "Here's how you keep yourself healthy- if you are sick, isolate yourself, don't go out in public." The H1N1 vaccine will also play a role in preventing the spread, but getting all the students vaccinated will be no easy task. Official: "We're working very closely with the Ingham County Health Department. I've got 40,000 students here under the age of 25, which is a high risk group, so right now we're planning how we'll handle that and offer it to the students." Because the more vaccines the school can give, the better the chance their students will be healthy this fall. http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp?S=10971396

Canadian-guerilla | 08-21-2009 09:03 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread �India should brace for swine flu pandemic� NEW DELHI: India�s health minister warned on Friday that the country of nearly 1.2 billion people must brace for a �large-scale� swine flu pandemic. Given the South Asian nation�s size �we shall have to be prepared much more than any other country in the world�, Ghulam Nabi Azad told a gathering of state health ministers in New Delhi. �Until very recently, ours were imported cases, now we are reporting most cases which are indigenous cases,� Azad said. India must get ready �for a large scale pandemic�, he said, accusing state governments of �forgetting their duty� and failing to do enough to combat the virus. Blanket media coverage and a growing number of victims since the first Indian death from the A(H1N1) virus on August 3 has caused increasing panic in the country. Azad said there had been 36 deaths so far in India. About 1,800 people have died worldwide since the influenza was first detected in April, according to the latest update from the World Health Organisation (WHO) this week. The vast majority of those deaths have been recorded in the Americas. The minister�s warning came as WHO chief Margaret Chan on Friday urged governments to prepare for a likely second wave of swine flu cases. Azad, who warned earlier in the week that swine flu was spreading in India �on a vast scale�, has said private laboratories will be allowed to test for the virus to ease the strain on already overloaded government hospitals. afp http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-8-2009_pg20_3

Twisted Avatar | 08-21-2009 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Canadian-guerilla (Post 1880089) MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - Alabama health officials say routine testing for the swine virus is no longer necesarry because patients with flu-like symptoms most likely have swine flu.
THEY HAVE REALLY GONE OFF THE DEEP END NOW.......

reviver | 08-21-2009 10:36 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadian-guerilla (Post 1880089) Alabama health officials say routine testing for the swine virus is no longer necesarry because patients with flu-like symptoms most likely have swine flu.
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1880156) THEY HAVE REALLY GONE OFF THE DEEP END NOW.......
Yes, it all boils down to that set of signs and symptoms, and the hell with those expensive tests. Makes it a lot easier to convince boobus just to take the shot.

Canadian-guerilla | 08-22-2009 06:28 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread WHO urges China to share swine flu vaccine 08/22/2009 5:58 PM BEIJING - With a likely "explosion" of swine flu in the coming months, a leading WHO official has urged China to distribute vaccines to needy nations to help contain the disease. "We would greatly welcome an initiative by the Chinese government to support developing and needy countries in a fair distribution of this vaccine," Shin Young-soo, WHO's regional director for the Western Pacific, said in a statement received late Friday. Shin's remarks came after Chinese Health Minister Chen Zhu reported on the nation's efforts to develop a vaccine for the A(H1N1) virus at a three-day symposium on swine flu in the Asia-Pacific region. Shin warned the virus was entering an "acceleration period" and predicted more deaths and more cases as the "pandemic will get worse before the situation gets better." "Most countries may see a doubling of cases every three to four days for two months until peak transmission is reached," Shin told the symposium Friday. "At a certain point, there will seem to be an explosion in case numbers. I believe it is very likely that all countries will see community-level transmission by the end of the year." About 1,800 people have died since the A(H1N1) virus was first uncovered in April, according to the latest update from the WHO issued this week. The vast majority of those deaths have been recorded in the Americas. The WHO declared a global pandemic in June, the first such worldwide outbreak in 40 years. The UN health agency now says there are confirmed cases in more than 170 countries. The WHO said earlier this week that countries in the northern hemisphere alone had ordered more than one billion doses of swine flu vaccine, sparking warnings about shortages, given the intense demand and production delays. A Chinese drug company, Sinovac Biotech, this week announced positive preliminary data from its clinical trials after giving test subjects just one dose of its vaccine. "We are also very encouraged by preliminary but promising results from the clinical trials of H1N1 vaccine," Shin said of the Chinese vaccine. http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/world/08/...ne-flu-vaccine

Canadian-guerilla | 08-22-2009 06:44 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Recycling The Deadly Swine Flu Vaccine (Hoax) Of 1976? 8-21-9 Hello, Jeff -- The wording should read an analysis of the Swine Flu HOAX of 1976. OK...let's consider the facts. They had 200 MILLION doses of Swine Flu Vaccine poison in 1976 but only vaccinated (I believe) around 40 million. So, where are the remaining 160 million doses of the 1976 stockpile? Was it all destroyed? Is it in some forgotten freezer at the CDC? Where is it? Now the feds are calling for the purchase of '160 million doses' of swine flu vaccine. What a 'coincidence'... So, is the leftover, toxic, sometimes deadly 1976 vaccine going to be mixed in with the 'new' 2009 vaccine stockpile? If that sounds preposterous, remember, the feds were going to use the ancient stockpiled Smallpox vaccine and were going to dilute it...claiming it was still effective! With that madness in mind, what would stop them from using this swine flu poison from 1976 on an unsuspecting public? The vaccine companies can no longer be held accountable and sued if people come down with GBS or some other fatal disease. I would sure like some clarification on where that remaining 1976 tainted swine flu vaccine stockpile is right now. The Sky Is Falling - An Analysis Of The Swine Flu Affair Of 1976 By Joel Warner 8-21-9 In 1976, due to an outbreak of influenza at Fort Dix, New Jersey, the United States set a precedent in immunology by attempting to vaccinate the entire population of the country against the possibility of a swine-type Influenza A epidemic. While a great many people were successfully immunized in a very short period of time, the National Influenza Immunization Program (NIIP) quickly became recognized as a failure, one reason being that the feared epidemic never surfaced at all. more . . . . LONG ARTICLE http://www.rense.com/general87/recy.htm

Canadian-guerilla | 08-22-2009 07:31 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Evolution of H274Y Tamiflu Resistance Baffles Experts July 13, 2008 The preliminary analysis suggests that the resistant mutants do not share a single origin and further genotypic analysis is ongoing. The above comment from the WHO update entitled "Influenza A (H1N1) virus resistance to oseltamivir" is confirmed by a multitude of phylogenetic trees of recent H1N1 isolates from a number of countries, which can be analyzed in conjunction with public sequences. These sequences contain H274Y, which confers Tamiflu resistance. The sudden appearance of Tamiflu resistance in seasonal flu linked to independent introductions of H274Y into populations that rarely use Tamiflu has startled and baffled influenza �experts� who expect such antigenic drift to be linked to selection of random mutations. However, the explosion of Tamiflu resistance in seasonal flu is just one of many surprises associated with this change, which is chronicled below. H274Y gained considerable attention when it appeared in Tamiflu treated H5N1 patients in Vietnam in 2005. H5N1 was linked to an explosion of human cases in Vietnam and Thailand in 2004 and the H5N1 was classified as clade 1, in contrast to clade 2 H5N1 in birds which had emerged in China and multiple countries to the east of China. Clade 1 was a concern because it was quite different from the earlier H5N1 outbreaks in humans and stockpiled vaccines were a poor match. Moreover, all clade 1 isolates had two amantadine resistance markers in the M2 protein, so the only anti-virals of choice with the neuraminidase inhibitors. However, Relenza was not available in quantity, so the drug of choice was Tamiflu (osletamivir). However, earlier data on use of Tamiflu against the nine neuraminidase serotypes indicate N1 was one of the serotypes with the highest level of resistance. Moreover, inhibition testing of H5N1 from Vietnam required an even higher level of Tamiflu to achieve a 50% marker, indicating treatment dose levels were near the limits of efficacy. Use was compromised further because Tamiflu was most effective when administered with 48 hours of disease onset, and in most cases treatment would begin many days after disease onset because H5N1 infections initial present with many of the same symptoms as seasonal flu, which is not traditionally treated with anti-virals in southeast Asia. However, Tamiflu was the only real anti-viral choice, so it was used to treat and prevent H5N1. The prophylactic dose was half of the treatment dose, raising additional concerns of resistance due to sub-optimal treatment, but its use was implemented in a plan to blanket H5N1 regions with Tamilfu, to blunt and initial human transmission. In 2005, Tamiflu resistance was identified in H5N1 patients being treated with Tamiflu, as well as one contact who was receiving a prophylactic dose because her brother was hospitalized and H5N1 positive. H274Y was identified in patients being treated as well as the patient being treated initially with a prophylactic dose. Moreover, the prophylactic patient had H5N1 with a second Tamiflu resistance change N294S. Moreover, H274Y was also detected in a member of the Karo cluster in Indonesia who had prematurely stopped taking Tamiflu. In Indonesia, the H5N1 was clade 2.1. However, assurances were given that the resistance markers, especially H274Y, was associated with a fitness penalty, so although the resistance would cause problems in infected patients, it would only be viable in patients that were being treated with Tamiflu, because H274Y would reduce the ability of H5N1 to compete with wild type H5N1. However, the fitness penalty was previously reported in seasonal flu, and the applicability to H5N1 was unclear. There were several pieces of data that raised concerns about assurances based on a fitness penalty. Both H274Y and N294S had been previously been reported in poultry suggesting that H5N1 with either mutation could compete with wild type H5N1. Additional concerns were linked to a cluster of H5N1 cases in Egypt, which had N294S in samples collected prior to Tamiflu treatment. Moreover, H274Y was detected in wild bird isolates in Astrakhan, raising additional doubts about a fitness penalty. The H5N1 in the above instances was clade 2.2 extending the number of different H5N1 clades and sub-clades with H274Y or N294S. Concerns that the Tamiflu resistance could be acquired by seasonal flu began shortly thereafter in the 2006/2007 season, when five N1 sequences with H274Y became public. All five H1N1 infected patients were from the United States, but these five sequences represented less than 1% of N1 sequences that season, so the significance was unclear, although H274Y was not reported for any prior human H1N1 public sequence. Concerns grew markedly the followings season, when Norway reported that more than half of the H1N1 infections contained H274Y. These concerns increased when H1N1 sequences from the United States were released. Approximately 30% of the Brisbane/59 (clade 2B) had H274Y, and there were at least independent introductions. Recently phylogenetic trees identify an number of additional introductions in isolates from patients in Japan which had not been treated with Tamiflu prior to sample collection. The data from other countries indicated the H274Y was concentrated in clade 2B, and the frequencies were increasing in multiple countries. This global spread of H274Y through introductions onto multiple gentic backgrounds indicated the H274Y was not spreading via selection of random mutations, but instead was being acquired by homologous recombination as was previously described for G743A in H5N1. The data support the concurrent acquisition of the same polymorphism onto multiple genetic backgrounds and suggest Tamiflu will have limited utility in the treatment of prevention a pandemic linked to efficient transmission of H5N1. http://www.recombinomics.com/News/07...Evolution.html if this H274Y can develop a resistance to Tamiflu, why not the swine flu maybe this H274Y is a distant cousin of the swine flu ?

Canadian-guerilla | 08-23-2009 08:30 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Next step in H1N1 scare: Microchip implants Posted: August 22, 2009 Company developing under-the-skin devices to detect 'bio-threats' A Florida-based company that boasts selling the world's first and only federally approved radio microchip for implanting in humans is now turning its development branch toward "emergency preparedness," hoping to produce an implant that can automatically detect in its host's bloodstream the presence of swine flu or other viruses deemed a "bio-threat." VeriChip Corporation currently sells a small, under-the-skin Radio Frequency Identification capsule, or RFID, that patients can opt to have implanted, containing a number computer-linked to their medical records, enabling doctors with a special reader to access the information even if the patient is unconscious or unidentified. The company boasts its microchip, roughly the size of a grain of rice, is the only such implant approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. But VeriChip has also turned its attention to other uses for the technology, including microchips that be used to tag and log human remains after a disaster and implants the company hopes will be able to warn if their host is infected with the H1N1 swine flu virus, the H5N1 bird flu virus or other pandemic agents deemed to be a "bio-threat." VeriChip is working with a Minnesota company, Receptors LLC, to develop the virus-detection technology. "As we continue to build on our partnership with Receptors, which started with the development of a glucose-sensing RFID implantable microchip, we are moving beyond patient identification to sensors that can detect and identify illnesses and viruses such as influenza," said Scott R. Silverman, chairman of VeriChip, in a statement. "This is an exciting next step for the future of our healthcare division." According to a joint white paper released earlier this year by both companies called "An Integrated Sensor System for the Detection of Bio-Threats from Pandemics to Emerging Diseases to Bio-Terrorism," the research's goal is to transform existing glucose-detection technology into pinpointing viruses instead, then couple it with an "in vivo" � meaning implanted inside a living organism � microchip that can alert others of the virus' presence. The ultimate goal is to develop an implant that can also diagnose which virus is infecting the host. VeriChip has also announced earlier this month additional forays into emergency preparedness through its VeriTrace system. According to a statement, the company sold a VeriTrace system, including 1,000 RFID microchips, to Kentucky's Green River District Health Department "for disaster preparedness and emergency management needs." The company explains that VeriTrace, a separate system from its virus detection or patient records technology, was created in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, where it was used by the Federal Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Team. The system includes the microchips, a Bluetooth handheld reader, a customized camera that receives both RFID scanned data and GPS data wirelessly and a web-based database for storing information and images captured during emergency response operations. The microchips are implanted in human remains following a disaster or, according to one report from the Katrina catastrophe, duct-taped to bones, in order to maintain detailed records, particularly in events that result in hundreds or thousands of fatalities. "This database ensures the precise collection, storage and inventory of all data and images related to remains and the associated evidentiary items," the statement boasts. "This also allows the recreation of an accurate and complete reconstruction of a disaster setting, crime scene or similar setting where recreation is necessary." Since Hurricane Katrina, the RFID Journal reports, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, the Hawaii Department of Health, the Florida Emergency Mortuary Operations Response System and the medical examiner's office in the Department of Heath in Erie County, N.Y, have also purchased the system. Earlier this year, VeriChip announced sales to Maryland's Calvert Memorial Hospital and to Mercer and Atlantic counties in New Jersey. WND contacted VeriChip seeking information on its progress in developing the virus detection technology and other emergency preparedness microchip implants, but received no response. WND previously has reported on such chips when hospitals used them to identify newborns, VeriChip desired to embed immigrants with the electronic devices, a government health event showcased them and when Wal-Mart used microchips to track customers. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107588 Verichip

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Canadian-guerilla | 08-23-2009 09:45 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread WHO warns of second wave of swine flu pandemic Geneva, Aug.23 : The World Health Organisation (WHO) is urging people around the world to brace themselves for a second wave of the swine flu pandemic as the heavily populated northern hemisphere edges towards the cooler season when flu thrives. 'The WHO is still mobilised and worried,' spokesman Gregory Hartl said as the global health watchdog kept an anxious eye on some 'mysterious' patterns of illness associated with the new A (H1N1) virus that appeared in April. WHO Director General Margaret Chan warned on Friday that there had been second and third waves in previous pandemics. 'We cannot say for certain whether the worst is over or the worst is yet to come,' Chan said in a videotaped address to a symposium on flu in the Asia-Pacific region. 'We need to be prepared for whatever surprises this capricious new virus delivers next,' she added. Some 1,799 people have died since the A(H1N1) was uncovered in Mexico and the United States nearly six months ago, according to the WHO. By comparison, an estimated 250,000 to 500,000 people die around the world every year from seasonal flu, and overall the symptoms of the new pandemic virus have proved to be mild in the great majority of known cases. Swine flu has spread swiftly into 177 countries, proving to be more infectious than seasonal flu and more durable through warmer months. Some 182,000 people worldwide are known to have caught swine flu based on laboratory confirmed cases, but the WHO has long advised countries to give up counting; the true number may in the millions, according to some experts. http://www.newkerala.com/nkfullnews-1-97841.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-23-2009 09:55 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Government Report Answers Who Lives, Who Dies in Flu Pandemic Monday, May 05, 2008 Should doctors be allowed to play God? In the case of a flu pandemic — yes, say government officials in a new report. Doctors know some patients needing lifesaving care won't get it in a flu pandemic or other disaster. The gut-wrenching dilemma will be deciding who to let die. Who will die in the event of a pandemic? The very old, seriously hurt, severely burned and those with severe dementia, according to an influential group of physicians. The group has drafted a grimly specific list of recommendations for which patients wouldn't be treated. The suggested list was compiled by a task force whose members come from prestigious universities, medical groups, the military and government agencies. They include the Department of Homeland Security, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of Health and Human Services. The proposed guidelines are designed to be a blueprint for hospitals "so that everybody will be thinking in the same way" when pandemic flu or another widespread health care disaster hits, said Dr. Asha Devereaux. She is a critical care specialist in San Diego and lead writer of the task force report. The idea is to try to make sure that scarce resources — including ventilators, medicine and doctors and nurses — are used in a uniform, objective way, task force members said. Their recommendations appear in a report appearing Monday in the May edition of Chest, the medical journal of the American College of Chest Physicians. "If a mass casualty critical care event were to occur tomorrow, many people with clinical conditions that are survivable under usual health care system conditions may have to forgo life-sustaining interventions owing to deficiencies in supply or staffing," the report states. To prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the Godlike task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get much more specific, and include: — People older than 85. — Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from car crashes and shootings. — Severely burned patients older than 60. — Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced Alzheimer's disease. — Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure, lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes. Dr. Kevin Yeskey, director of the preparedness and emergency operations office at the Department of Health and Human Services, was on the task force. He said the report would be among many the agency reviews as part of preparedness efforts. Public health law expert Lawrence Gostin of Georgetown University called the report an important initiative but also "a political minefield and a legal minefield." The recommendations would probably violate federal laws against age discrimination and disability discrimination, said Gostin, who was not on the task force. If followed to a tee, such rules could exclude care for the poorest, most disadvantaged citizens who suffer disproportionately from chronic disease and disability, he said. While health care rationing will be necessary in a mass disaster, "there are some real ethical concerns here." James Bentley, a senior vice president at American Hospital Association, said the report will give guidance to hospitals in shaping their own preparedness plans even if they don't follow all the suggestions. He said the proposals resemble a battlefield approach in which limited health care resources are reserved for those most likely to survive. Bentley said it's not the first time this type of approach has been recommended for a catastrophic pandemic, but that "this is the most detailed one I have seen from a professional group." While the notion of rationing health care is unpleasant, the report could help the public understand that it will be necessary, Bentley said. Devereaux said compiling the list "was emotionally difficult for everyone." That's partly because members believe it's just a matter of time before such a health care disaster hits, she said. "You never know," Devereaux said. "SARS took a lot of folks by surprise. We didn't even know it existed." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C293...4135%2C00.html article from Monday, May 05, 2008

Canadian-guerilla | 08-23-2009 10:05 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread ok, doom & gloom break time . . . i know this was probably staged, but i still watch this vid once a week <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/wtcPUTagm2A&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/wtcPUTagm2A&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

PatColo | 08-23-2009 07:05 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Following headline is Burgermeister's inference based on what was discussed, not the explicit prediction of the conference... very dodgy form, but I appreciate her sexing it up in to draw in eyeballs, and I don't disagree with her inference. Main question is, what's TPTB's desired depopulation agenda timeline, IE how much population genocided over how long? Swine flu conference in Washington DC predicts end of the USA as a result of swine flu pandemic Last Updated on Sunday, 23 August 2009 06:59 Saturday, 22 August 2009 09:54 Every day the mainstream media in the US and around the world hypes the threat of the so-called swine flu and spends acres of words on every alleged fatality. And yet not one mainstream media outlet has covered the first INTERNATIONAL Swine Flu Conference, which finishes today 21st August in Washington DC. The conference prepares for a catastrophe in the USA, for mass evacuations, economic collapse and the death or illness of 40 per cent of the workforce. Why, if people are to be given the "swine flu" shot and the shot is allegedly so effective? The conference covers mass fatality management, the protection (by the police and army presumably) of he "emergency response management center", which will ultimately controlled by WHO and the UN from which orders will be sent to pandemic deployment teams. They will be sent out to conduct forced innoculations as allowed by law in many states (undertaking mass vaccinations effectively) and impose quarantines. The conference covers evacuation and mass transport. Mass transport to where? To the FEMA camps? This conference foresees 30 to 40 percent of the emergency responders dropping out from operations. Why? If they are to get the innoculation first, and this is allegedly so effective? Why does the mainstream media not cover a conference that predicts total economic and social collapse, and the end of the USA as it has been in existence since its foundation, attended by 700 experts from more than 30 countrie? Check out this video here: You Tube
You Tube
and the swine flu programme here: http://www.cesa.net/DOCS/08192009.PDF Jane Burgermeister

Canadian-guerilla | 08-23-2009 08:00 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread $1000 Per Day Fine And 30 Days In Jail For Refusing The Swine Flu Vaccine In Massachusetts? A new law just passed in Massachusetts imposes fines of up to $1000 per day and up to a 30 day jail sentence for not obeying authorities during a public health emergency. So if you are instructed to take the swine flu vaccine in Massachusetts and you refuse, you could be facing fines that will bankrupt you and a prison sentence on top of that. The YouTube video below is of a news report about this disturbing new law. In particular, pay attention at the 1:40 mark when the anchor and reporter discuss the new penalties for not obeying the health authorities during an emergency..... VIDEO AUGUST 23, 2009 <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/2_oD55WvDmM&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/2_oD55WvDmM&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> If you have not realized it yet, the controversy over swine flu vaccinations is about to get very, very real. The authorities know that a lot of people are extremely concerned about the safety of the swine flu vaccine, and they are putting the infrastructure in place to deal with those dissenters. Let us hope that the worst case scenario with the swine flu does not take place, but the reality is that health authorities across the United States are gearing up for the biggest vaccination campaign in the nation's history. It looks like this fall could be very, very interesting. http://thebirdflupandemic.com/archiv...-massachusetts

Miss Kitty | 08-23-2009 09:44 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.aarc.org/nvs/moreaboutnvs.asp

reviver | 08-23-2009 11:50 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadian-guerilla (Post 1881851) ok, doom & gloom break time . . . i know this was probably staged, but i still watch this vid once a week
Probably? That was well choreographed and staged. Sure perhaps 40% of the folks there were bystanders just to make it appear spontaneous. That being said, thank you for that welcome respite. It was wonderful. I love to dance, and have danced whenever I could for most of my life. If you believe (as I do) that all athletics are dances as well as more formal common cultural forms of movement, one understands that it of the most basic form of joy. The voice in song is close behind, but not as basic to the encephalon. Life is a dance, and best expressed in joyous movement. And war is a movement too. Just a much lower movement, but just as much enjoyed by some participants. Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Kitty (Post 1882749) http://www.aarc.org/nvs/moreaboutnvs.asp
Thanks, darling, but if I'm going to die, I'm going to die right here at home, and not on a machine sucking life back into my already gone body, in some hospital. No thanks. If I can't take care of myself, no one else can. I know, I know, try telling that to those thugs out there. That is the art, and it is worthwhile practice.

Canadian-guerilla | 08-24-2009 12:49 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread India to ban retail sale of Cipla's generic Zanamivir: Aug 22, 2009 Mumbai Bureau MUMBAI (MarketWatch) -- India's federal government will ban retail sale of a Cipla Ltd. generic used in treating swine flu fearing mutation of the virus and drug resistance due to unrestricted use, the Business Standard reported Saturday citing unnamed sources. The notification to ban zanamivir - a low cost copycat of GlaxoSmithKline PLC's (GSK.LN) Relenza - is likely in a week's time, the report cited the sources as saying. However, the government will consider procuring the drug in the near future, the report added. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ind...ort-2009-08-22

FreeMyLand | 08-24-2009 01:59 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread I wasn't sure if this thread from the General forum made it into this thread yet, but I wanted to put a link here because I think documented proof of illnesses caused by the swine flu vaccine can be important: http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/s...d.php?t=401159 Translation of the article: Quote:
The Munich-based Axel Sch. Claimed (40): "The test has made me ill!" One has now jumped: The graduateKaufmann Axel Sch. (40). He said: "The vaccine has made me sick - the test is irresponsible." Even a few hours after vaccination, 10 August had been submitted the sweat on his forehead. "I felt completely beaten. On the third day my kidneys and my head hurt and I've got a fever. Then I had a coughing fit - and the sink was suddenly red. It was blood! " The LMU-MunichPhysicians Frank von Sonnenburg, who leads the nationwide study, does not want to believe the narrative: "Such adverse reactions to the vaccine can not do anything to have." He does not conceal that, as with other influenzaVaccination can occur as a defensive reaction to the vaccine flu-like symptoms. "In addition, you may experience mild pain at the injection site, redness or swelling." Of course, many subjects had side effects. "To find them, we do make such a study. If the illness worse and we had not been tested before - then everyone would scream out loud. " The vaccine has been approved too quickly to study? Fact: In this composition, he has not yet been applied in humans. Federal Health Minister Ulla Schmidt said on Wednesday they had felt initially set by the pharmaceutical industry under pressure. Increasingly, criticism is heard: The PaulEhrlichInstitute points out that the side effects are expected here rather than in a normal fluVaccination. The Professional Association of Children's and young doctors speak of "a possibly increased number of unknown side effects." British researchers warned, even before the brain disease, the Guillain -Barre -Syndrome. They refer to a vaccination campaign in 1976 in the U.S. with a similar swine fluVirus, which resulted in 25 people have died. This also explains why the U.S. seems to only test vaccines without so-called Immunverst�rker. This led to increased side effects, said study leader Frank von Sonnenburg. "The amplifiers produce more antibodies, therefore, also the defensive reaction of the body is greater." Kidney pain and bloody cough as respondent Axel Sch. However, even with this amplifier are not expected. "We make a clean trial." Axel Sch. but insists that his complaints come from the vaccination. "It's no coincidence that it occurred directly after that." He criticized the university, that she had explained enough in advance. For three days he was flat situated in this heat. "When I called at the LMU, have queried only very materially to their questionnaire and then referred me to my doctor." The medical costs and lost earnings, he now claims to have replaced by the HMO, which supervised the study. Even as a student has Axel Sch. participated in clinical trials. Even in a study of flu -Vaccination at LMU, he has had good experiences. "That's why I've pledged immediately, when I asked if I would test the new vaccine." But his trust in research is gone, he breaks off the vaccine trial. In October, the Munich-based professionals will fly to Latin America. He had looked forward to being able to travel unencumbered - until then he had received the second of three vaccinations. "Afraid I have not yet - I do not belong to the risk group. And as bad as the side effects of the swine flu itself can not be. "
Thanks to the Kaiser for having originally posted this. Also thanks to everyone posting here. I hope this can become a subforum at some point because I think this is a very important issue.

Canadian-guerilla | 08-24-2009 01:40 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Schools urged to prepare for swine flu absences (AP) � 58 minutes ago WASHINGTON � U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan says schools should be prepared to keep teaching even if swine flu sickens large numbers of students. Speaking at a D.C. elementary school Monday, Duncan urged educators to prepare online materials and other resources to ensure students can continue learning even if they have to stay home. Duncan was joined by U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and representatives from companies such as Apple and Microsoft, which are working with the Education Department to offer resources to schools severely affected by swine flu. Sebelius says clinical trials of the swine flu vaccine "look good" and she says health officials will work with schools when vaccinations are administered possibly by mid-October. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...DP9wAD9A9C4VG0

Canadian-guerilla | 08-24-2009 01:43 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Doctors may refuse swine flu vaccine Monday 24 August 2009 Several studies suggest up to 60% of GPs would oppose being immunised because they are concerned the safety trials will be rushed Half of GPs said they believe swine flu is too mild to justify taking a vaccine � a nurse prepares a syringe during a mass immunisation exercise at Bolton arena in 2006 to test procedures in case of a flu pandemic. Photograph: Martin Rickett/PA Many GPs, as well as their patients, may be reluctant to be immunised against swine flu once a vaccine is developed, surveys suggest today. A survey of GPs published on Healthcare Republic, the website of GP magazine, found that up to 60% of GPs may decline vaccination. Although the numbers who responded were small � 216 GPs � they are in line with a much bigger survey of nurses published a week ago by Nursing Times, which found that a third of 1,500 nurses would refuse vaccination. A Canadian study published today in the journal Emerging Health Threats suggests the public, too, will have reservations that must be overcome if a vaccination campaign is to be successful in the autumn or winter. The study, which used focus groups to establish the likely response of different people to a vaccine, pointed to the need to win over people who believe that alternative therapies and a good diet are a better option than vaccines. But the biggest problem in persuading people and healthcare professionals to have the jab may be the relative shortage of evidence from trials about its safety and efficacy. Because of the urgent need for a vaccine, testing will be limited. Among the GPs who responded to the survey published by Healthcare Republic, 29% said they would not choose to have the vaccine and 29% said they were unsure whether or not they would. The biggest reason given by those who said they would not have it was concern that the safety trials would not be adequate: 71.3% said they were "concerned that the vaccine has not yet been through sufficient trials to guarantee safety". Half � 50.4% � said they "believe that swine flu is too mild to justify taking the vaccine". Only 8.7% said they did not believe they were at risk. Professor David Salisbury, director of immunisation for the Department of Health, commented on the website that frontline health workers have responsibilities to other people. "They have a duty to their patients not to infect their patients and they have a duty to their families," he said. "I think you solve those responsibilities by being vaccinated." The Department of Health played down the results, saying that the small number of responders could not accurately be said to reflect the opinions of all GPs. But a spokesman added: "GPs will have an important role in the height of a pandemic. Getting the swine flu vaccine will protect them and their patients. That's why we're offering GPs the vaccine as a priority. Of course, vaccination will be optional, but the vaccine is being carefully assessed for safety and will be licensed before it is used." Many of those questioned in focus groups for the study in Emerging Health Threats felt uneasy about vaccination for an illness perceived as mild. Others felt they could protect themselves through handwashing, keeping their distance from other people and even a good diet. The survey results appeared as the department of health announced 14 new fast-tracked research projects into various aspects of swine flu, costing �2.25m. These include work to establish how long somebody with the virus is contagious and to establish the "safe distance" from a patient. Other projects will look at whether closing schools � which was the early response to the epidemic � stops spread and whether facemasks for healthcare workers are worthwhile. http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...-vaccine/print

Canadian-guerilla | 08-24-2009 01:45 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Drought-like conditions ideal for spread of swine flu 24 August 2009 VARANASI: What has drought to do with swine flu in the region? If health experts are to be believed, the pandemic disease may just be waiting to explode in the region when the immune system of people may be challenged by the emerging adverse conditions. Even though the region is yet to witness a confirmed swine flu case, the prevailing drought-like conditions are looking all set to test the immune system of people, making them vulnerable to the infectious disease, as most of the health experts in the region believe. According to Dr Sudhakar Pandey, senior doctor in the epidemic cell under CMO office, prolonged draught-like conditions in the region could lead to shortage of food stuff, resulting in poor diet pattern in people. "It may also deprive a large chunk of population of the essential nutrients that make the immune system strong to fight infectious diseases," he added. Similarly, other experts including Dr Kamta Prasad, medical superintendent, DDU hospital, believe that cases of rabies and dysentery, including diarrhoea, may also witness a spurt due to the emerging situation. "The water crisis may lead to poor sanitation and hygiene, causing rise in such diseases," he informed. It may be mentioned here that the World Health Organisation (WHO) in its recent report has already expressed possibility of further spread of swine flu cases, especially in developing countries. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/n...ow/4929246.cms

Twisted Avatar | 08-24-2009 01:50 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread WHO predicts 'explosion' of swine flu cases By GILLIAN WONG (AP) – 3 days ago BEIJING — The global spread of swine flu will endanger more lives as it speeds up in coming months and governments must boost preparations for a swift response, the World Health Organization said Friday. There will soon be a period of further global spread of the virus, and most countries may see swine flu cases double every three to four days for several months until peak transmission is reached, said WHO's Western Pacific director, Shin Young-soo. "At a certain point, there will seem to be an explosion in case numbers," Shin told a symposium of health officials and experts in Beijing. "It is certain there will be more cases and more deaths." WHO has declared the swine flu strain a pandemic, and it has killed almost 1,800 people worldwide through last week. International attention has focused on how the pandemic is progressing in southern hemisphere countries such as Australia, which are experiencing winter and their flu season. But it is in developing countries where the accelerated spread of swine flu poses the greatest threat as it places underequipped and underfunded health systems under severe strain, Shin said. WHO earlier estimated that as many as 2 billion people could become infected over the next two years — nearly one-third of the world's population. Health officials and drug makers are looking into ways to speed up production of a vaccine before the northern hemisphere enters its flu season in coming months. Estimates for when a vaccine will be available range from September to December. Delegates from Bangladesh and Myanmar appealed for help in procuring vaccines or making them more affordable for poorer countries, saying they were left vulnerable while rich nations pre-ordered most of the available stock. "Developing countries like us, we have to fight this war without vaccines," said Mya Oo, deputy health minister of Myanmar. He urged pharmaceutical companies to consider selling the vaccines to developing countries at just above cost. WHO's flu chief, Keiji Fukuda, said the agency was working hard on the issue, and noted that two drug makers had pledged to donate 150 million doses of vaccine to poorer countries by the end of October. He said more research was needed to determine how vaccines will be priced. "Among the many pandemic response issues, this is probably the most critical issue: how we mobilize the vaccines, how we get them to developing countries," Fukuda said. WHO has stressed that most cases of swine flu are mild and require no treatment, but the fear is that a rash of new infections could overwhelm hospitals and health authorities, especially in poorer countries. Shin said governments must act quickly to educate the public, prepare their health systems to care for severe cases and protect those deemed more vulnerable to prevent unnecessary deaths. "We only have a short time period to reach the state of preparedness deemed necessary," Shin said. "Communities must be aware before a pandemic strikes as to what they can do to reduce the spread of the virus, and how to obtain early treatment of severe cases." Pregnant women face a higher risk of complications, and the virus also has more severe effects on people with underlying medical conditions such as asthma, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, autoimmune disorders and diabetes, WHO chief Margaret Chan said in a video address. The last pandemic — the Hong Kong flu of 1968 — killed about 1 million people. Ordinary flu kills about 250,000 to 500,000 people each year. Swine flu is also continuing to spread during summer in the northern hemisphere. Normally, flu viruses disappear with warm weather, but swine flu is proving to be resilent. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...H0RwgD9A75RKG0

Twisted Avatar | 08-24-2009 01:53 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swine Flu Pandemic Paradox Kills Few, Overwhelms ICUs Aug. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Swine flu filled up Geoff Shaw’s intensive care unit in Christchurch, New Zealand, last month, forcing some surgeries to be canceled as the hospital struggled to cope. As winter moves to the Northern Hemisphere, health officials from Chicago to London brace for a similar overload. “We have run out of bed space, we have run out of nurses,” Shaw, 47, said after working in the ICU and being on- call for 185 hours over 11 days. “There will be people who die because they were denied access to other treatments.” Health officials call it the swine flu paradox. As the new H1N1 strain spreads, the majority of patients recover within days and the number of deaths is a fraction of the seasonal flu toll. Those statistics mask an alarming reality: the pandemic has strained intensive care units and a resurgence of the virus in the fall could bring a public health disaster, experts say. “We have largely been fortunate,” said Simon Towler, an intensive care specialist at the Royal Perth Hospital and Western Australia’s chief medical officer. “If we had a severe flu of a different type we would be in massive trouble. The systems really don’t have the capacity to cope with a surge.” Last weekend, a quarter of Western Australia’s 105 adult intensive care beds were occupied by swine flu patients who needed ventilators to breathe, according to Towler. The experience in Australia and New Zealand offers clues about what North America, Europe and Japan may see when winter moves in. Artificial Lung “The Northern Hemisphere medical care requirements for the next six months are a train wreck waiting to happen,” said Michael Osterholm, director of the University of Minnesota’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy in Minneapolis. “In the fall, even if nothing else changes in terms of the virus’s severity and our preparedness, it’s going to be a real challenge.” In the U.K., where swine flu sparked a summer wave of illness worse than the previous 10 winters, about 1 in 10 patients hospitalized for the virus end up in intensive care, according to Liam Donaldson, England’s chief medical officer. In Australia, that proportion is about 25 percent, he said. “They have had a relatively high level of intensive care admissions amongst hospitalized patients,” Donaldson told reporters in London yesterday. “We might end up like that, but we can’t be 100 percent sure.” Bypass Patients While fewer than 0.5 percent of swine flu sufferers may need hospitalization, those who do can remain in intensive care for up to three weeks, occupying a bed that could be used for 15 heart bypass patients. Christchurch Hospital, the biggest on New Zealand’s South Island, postponed non-emergency procedures requiring an ICU stay such as heart bypass as flu patients -- three-quarters needing mechanical ventilation -- filled up the 12-bed unit and nine other hastily created intensive-care beds, according to Shaw. What’s more, a 10th of those critically ill patients needed their blood pumped through an artificial lung, a procedure known as extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, or ECMO, that only one hospital in New Zealand offers. “I’ve seen nothing like this,” said John Beca, head of pediatric intensive care at New Zealand’s national children’s hospital in Auckland. Five of Beca’s six ECMO units have been used simultaneously this winter. He’s ordering three more. Life Support Maquet Cardiopulmonary AG, a subsidiary of Sweden’s Getinge AB, received a 50 percent jump in orders for the life-support system in Australia, Clinical Director Juergen Boehm said. The German company is doubling production of the units, which cost as much as 60,000 euros ($85,000) apiece, and plans to increase its inventory of tubes, artificial lungs and other disposable ECMO equipment to about 500 sets, from 100 usually. Sales for ECMO disposable equipment in Europe rose about 50 percent during July, Boehm said by e-mail today. “Hardware figures are slightly but constantly increasing in Europe as well during the last months,” he said. Orders for ECMO accessories are up about 20 percent in Australia and New Zealand, said Joseph McGrath, a spokesman for Minneapolis-based Medtronic Inc., which also makes the devices. Sanofi-Aventis SA, GlaxoSmithKline Plc and Novartis AG are racing to prepare millions of inoculations against the new virus and test them before the weather turns colder in the hope of blunting the pandemic. Paris-based Sanofi began vaccine trials on Aug. 6 and needs “two to three months” to complete them. London-based Glaxo has said it began testing this month. The U.S. expects the first shots to be delivered mid-October. Vaccine Hopes “Hopefully the vaccines will get out and the Northern Hemisphere’s experience will be dramatically mitigated,” Towler said. “But there will be some people who either won’t get vaccinated or won’t be protected, and the lessons from the Southern Hemisphere, particularly countries like Australia and New Zealand, will be important.” More than a dozen flu patients were entering intensive care units daily in Sydney a month ago, compared with five at the peak of a regular winter flu season, said Tim Smyth, deputy director general of health for New South Wales. Health officials in the state, home to one in three Australians, are equipping a helicopter with the lung bypass machine to retrieve patients from remote hospitals. The average age of patients in intensive care is 40 years, according to Smyth, and most have an underlying condition such as diabetes or heart disease, or are pregnant or obese. Years Lost “If you quantify the impact in terms of the number of life-years lost, then this pandemic could well end up being more severe than a typical flu season,” Neil N. Ferguson, professor of epidemiology at London’s Imperial College, said in an Aug. 13 telephone interview. In some patients, the virus causes such a severe assault on the respiratory tract that the lungs become inflamed and the grape-like sacs where gas is exchanged are injured, causing bleeding and a critical loss of oxygen supply. “We are all concerned given the severity of this disease and the significant critical care support and resource utilization required for the successful treatment of these patients,” said Lena Napolitano, chief of acute care surgery at the University of Michigan Health System at Ann Arbor. Studies in the U.S. show that the group of patients requiring mechanical ventilation for at least four days is growing six times faster than the rest of hospitalizations, said Marya Zilberberg, a scientist with the Amherst EviMed Research Group at the University of Massachusetts. Stress Capacity The pandemic will only add to that demand, Zilberberg said. “My sense is that it may stress our capacity to its limit and beyond,” she said. Worldwide, the H1N1 virus has killed about 1,800 people as of Aug. 13, according to the World Health Organization. The median age of death in Australia is 56 -- compared with 83 years for seasonal flu fatalities. “It’s striking young people down,” said Shaw, the intensive care specialist in Christchurch. “We are seeing people largely between the ages of 20 and 50. That really is quite different from anything else we have ever had.” Australia shows how the pandemic has confounded expectations: Intensive care accounts for about a quarter of hospital stays, Jim Bishop, Australia’s chief medical officer, said last week. The government had anticipated only 10 percent of those hospitalized would need critical care, yet expected more deaths: its modeling predicted 6,000, and 121 have died so far. “There is something very different about this virus,” said Heath Kelly, head of epidemiology at Victoria state’s infectious diseases reference laboratory in Melbourne. “In ICUs, it looks worse” than expected, he said. “But everywhere else you look, it looks better. That’s the interesting paradox.” To contact the reporter on this story: Jason Gale in Singapore at j.gale@bloomberg.net. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a9vKlznnyeQ4[/U][/U]

Canadian-guerilla | 08-24-2009 01:55 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread please refer to post # 55 concerning CSL http://goldismoney.info/forums/showp...5&postcount=55 ********************************************** CSL starts U.S. swine flu vaccine trial Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:16pm EDT WASHINGTON (Reuters) - CSL Ltd started testing its swine flu vaccine on U.S. children and adults on Monday, joining other companies testing the H1N1 vaccine as they also step up production. The Australian-based company said it would test 1,300 adults and 450 children with different doses of its vaccine to help determine what the best dose will be. "Children are often at greater risk from influenza infection and its complications than adults, so it is extremely important to understand the efficacy of an H1N1 vaccine in this very vulnerable population," Dr. Pedro Piedra of Baylor College of Medicine in Texas, who will help conduct the trial, said in a statement. "The clinical trials of CSL's candidate vaccine will be the first to use a thimerosal-free formulation of the H1N1 vaccine antigen." Some people object to the use of thimerosal, which is a mercury-based preservative. U.S. health officials say there is no evidence to support persistent beliefs that thimerosal causes autism, but companies have removed it from most vaccines anyway. Last week, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said only 45 million doses of the new H1N1 vaccine would be on hand in mid-October, instead of 120 million previously forecast, with 20 million a week due after that. HHS plans to eventually vaccinate at least 160 million people by December, with pregnant women, health-care workers, children and young adults at the front of the line. Five companies are making the H1N1 vaccine for the U.S. market -- AstraZeneca's MedImmune unit CSL GlaxoSmithKline Plc Novartis AG Sanofi-Aventis SA Sanofi has also started trials in the United States and several companies, including Glaxo, have trials ongoing in Europe. http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-S...57N3CS20090824 please refer to post # 55 concerning CSL http://goldismoney.info/forums/showp...5&postcount=55

Canadian-guerilla | 08-24-2009 02:04 PM
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Canadian-guerilla | 08-24-2009 02:35 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Smokers Risk Swine Flu Complications Like Pneumonia, Data Show Aug. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Smokers may be prone to developing life-threatening complications from swine flu, according to patient data from Hong Kong, where tobacco use was noted in almost half of severe cases. Twelve of 27 swine flu patients who developed pneumonia and other serious illnesses were either current or former smokers and some had no other known risk factors, Thomas Tsang, acting controller of Hong Kong�s Centre for Health Protection, told a medical meeting in Beijing yesterday. �The proportion of smokers among the serious cases is pretty high,� Tsang said in an interview. �So far this is just one observation that stands out and we need to investigate it.� Tsang�s findings may shed more light on a mystery that doctors are grappling with: why the new flu remains mild for a majority of people and is severe enough to kill in others. Worldwide, about 1,800 people infected with H1N1 have died since the virus was discovered in April. In Hong Kong, about 1 in 200 people who tested positive for swine flu developed severe disease, with some needing weeks of intensive-care treatment. About 13 percent of adults in the city smoke, Tsang said at a meeting on influenza over the weekend organized by the Lancet medical journal, China�s health ministry and the World Health Organization. As drugmakers race to make vaccines to fight the pandemic, health officials are trying to identify vulnerable groups in order to prioritize who should get immunized first. In Hong Kong, three-quarters of H1N1 patients with serious disease had medical factors that made them more susceptible, Tsang said. Chronic lung conditions such as asthma and emphysema, as well as diabetes, cardiovascular disease, morbid obesity and pregnancy, can put people at risk. Smoking might be linked with one or more of these factors, according to Tsang. Nicotine Helps Virus �Smokers tend to have poorer lung function and smoking is also associated with some other chronic diseases,� Tsang said. �It could be those factors that explain the association rather than smoking per se.� Smoking is the biggest preventable cause of death and claims 4.9 million lives a year globally, according to the WHO. The habit is also the leading cause of illness and premature deaths in Hong Kong, according to a statement on the city- state�s Tobacco Control Office Web site. An estimated 5,500 deaths a year result from smoking, the agency said. Nicotine, the addiction-causing chemical in tobacco, interferes with the immune response to seasonal flu, said John Mackenzie, a Melbourne-based virologist who studied the interaction in mouse models more than 30 years ago. Invading the Lungs �Smoking is interesting,� Mackenzie said in an interview in Beijing yesterday. �It initially enhances the immune system, but then it depresses it. If you smoke, you become much more susceptible to straight viral pneumonia.� By impeding the body�s defense mechanisms, smoking may enable the virus to replicate undetected for longer and invade more of the respiratory tract, said Frederick Hayden, professor of clinical virology at the University of Virginia School of Medicine in Charlottesville, in an interview yesterday. �There are some epidemiologic observations to show that smokers have a more serious illness from seasonal influenza,� he said. �Some of these factors have been recognized in the past, and I think we�re seeing them reaffirmed. I�d be surprised if it didn�t eventually turn out to be a risk factor.� Bad Luck The pandemic strain may have a greater predilection than seasonal flu for infecting the lungs, where it can cause viral pneumonia, said Stephen Toovey, a senior research fellow at London�s Royal Free and University College Medical School. It�s possible bad luck and a person�s genetics may also play a role, Toovey said in an interview in Beijing. Taking a deep breath or yawning immediately after an infected person nearby coughs or sneezes could enable large amounts of airborne viral particles to reach the lower branches of the airway, he said. �It could be that if you do get enough virus by whatever route into the lower respiratory tract, you are more likely to have severe disease than you would with, say, a seasonal virus,� Toovey said. Researchers are studying whether certain genetic flaws hamper the so-called early innate immune response, giving the virus an advantage over the body�s defenses, Toovey said. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aSs9.rvfo7g8

Canadian-guerilla | 08-24-2009 06:24 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swine Flu Poses Major Health Threat to US: White House Monday, 24 Aug 2009 | 4:45 PM ET The swine flu poses a serious health threat to the US and the government should help drug companies speed up bottling of flu vaccines, the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology said Monday. "The report says the current strain 'poses a serious health threat' to the nation. The issue is not that the virus is more deadly than other flu strains, but rather that it is likely to infect more people than usual because it is a new strain against which few people have immunity," the White House said. Some flu vaccines vaccines should be available by mid-September instead of mid-October, the science advisers said. "We recommend that the Department of Health and Human Services accelerate the availability of a portion of the vaccine supply to mid-September by having manufacturers begin to 'fill and finish' a subset of the bulk vaccine product at 15 micrograms. Such a decision would need to be taken almost immediately," the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology said in a report. The 15 micrograms is the minimum dose. Most experts believe people will need two doses of the vaccine, delivered at least two weeks apart, to develop full immunity to the new H1N1 flu. "All five manufacturers with orders to make H1N1 vaccine for the U.S. government have been asked to put their initially available vaccine in vials as soon as they are ready. This will move forward, even while awaiting results of clinical studies to confirm expected dosing, to assure the earliest possible availability of initial doses of vaccine," the report added. "Once ready, it takes approximately a month for vaccine to both be placed in vials and then for the needed testing to be completed before the vaccine is ready to use." Last week the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said only 45 million doses of the new H1N1 vaccine would be on hand in mid-October, instead of 120 million previously forecast, with 20 million a week due after that. The agency plans to eventually vaccinate at least 160 million people by December, with pregnant women, healthcare workers, children and young adults at the front of the line. Five companies make swine flu vaccine for the U.S. market: AstraZeneca's [AZN 46.16 -0.14 (-0.3%) ] MedImmune unit, CSL, GlaxoSmithKline [GSK 39.44 -0.59 (-1.47%) ], Novartis [NVS 45.30 -0.19 (-0.42%) ] and Sanofi-Aventis [SNY 33.94 0.06 (+0.18%) ]. CSL and Sanofi have started U.S. trials and several companies, including Glaxo, have trials ongoing in Europe. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration will license the new vaccine as a "strain change" from seasonal influenza � treating it as the usual annual reformulation of the annual flu vaccine. Pandemic H1N1 is circulating widely and experts expect it to get worse in the Northern Hemisphere's fall as schools get under way. The council's report says the virus, although moderate, poses a serious health threat to the United States because it is likely to infect so many people. http://www.cnbc.com/id/32540905/

Canadian-guerilla | 08-24-2009 06:38 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swine Flu May Cause 90,000 U.S. Deaths, Report Says (Update2) Aug. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Swine flu may infect half the U.S. population this year, hospitalize 1.8 million patients and lead to as many as 90,000 deaths, more than twice the number killed in a typical seasonal flu, White House advisers said. In a report by the President�s Council of Advisers on Science and Technology, President Barack Obama today was urged to speed vaccine production and name a senior member of the White House staff, preferably the homeland security adviser, to take responsibility for decision-making on the pandemic. Initial doses should be accelerated to mid-September to vaccinate as many as 40 million people, the advisory group said. Seasonal flu usually kills about 36,000 Americans, said Tom Skinner, a spokesman for the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Swine flu, also called H1N1, causes more severe illness needing hospitalization among younger people than seasonal flu, while leaving people 65 and older relatively unscathed, said Mike Shaw of the CDC. �This isn�t the flu that we�re used to,� said Kathleen Sebelius, U.S. Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services. �The 2009 H1N1 virus will cause a more serious threat this fall. We won�t know until we�re in the middle of the flu season how serious the threat is, but because it�s a new strain, it�s likely to infect more people than usual.� Data from clinical trials to assess the safety and effectiveness of swine flu vaccines will start to become available in mid-September, health officials reported Aug. 21. Full results from the two-dose trials won�t be available until mid October. Mid-October Vaccine �We are making every preparation effort assuming a safe and effective vaccine will be available in mid-October,� Sebelius said today at the CDC�s Atlanta offices. According to what the advisory report describes as a �plausible scenario,� 30 percent to 50 percent of the country�s population will be infected in the fall and winter. As many as 300,000 patients may be treated in hospital intensive care units, filling 50 percent to 100 percent of the available beds, and 30,000 to 90,000 people may die, the report said. Peter Gross, chief medical officer at Hackensack University Medical Center in New Jersey, said if the group�s scenario comes true, �I think every hospital in America is going to be in a crunch. We�ll be hard pressed to deal with those predictions,� he said. Predictions �Overblown� The predictions seem �overblown,� Gross said, given that swine-flu outbreaks in 1968 and 1957 failed to cause as many deaths, even with medical technology and disease surveillance less advanced than today. �Influenza, you can make all the predictions you want, but it�s more difficult than predicting the weather,� Gross said in a telephone interview today, after the advisory report was made public. �If influenza was a stock, I wouldn�t touch it.� The 775-bed hospital is planning for an outbreak, upping its order of flu medications and discussing where to put patients if the worst occurs, Gross said. The President�s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology is chaired by John Holdren, the director of the White House Office of Science and Technology, Eric Lander, the head of the Broad Institute of Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and Harold Varmus, the chief executive officer of Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York. The 21-member group of scientists and engineers, created by Congress in 1976, advises the president on policy involving scientific matters. Four Months H1N1 has already reached more than 170 countries and territories in the four months since being identified, the Geneva-based World Health Organization said. Swine flu causes similar symptoms as seasonal strains. It has so far resulted in worse than normal flu seasons, with increased hospitalizations and cases of severe illness, the WHO said in an Aug. 12 release. The median age of those with the pandemic virus has been 12 to 17 years, the WHO said on July 24, citing data from Canada, Chile, Japan, U.K. and the U.S. �People who get infected with this strain happen to be the healthiest members of our society,� said Shaw, associate director of laboratory science at the CDC�s flu division, in a presentation today, also at the agency�s offices. The H1N1 strain is genetically related to the 1918 Spanish Flu strain that killed an estimated 50 million people. Variations of the Spanish Flu strain circulated widely until around 1957, when they were pushed aside by other flu strains. People whose first exposure to a flu virus was one of those Spanish Flu relatives may have greater immunity to the current pandemic, Shaw said. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a8_2nrwYD1kM

Miss Kitty | 08-24-2009 07:21 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Not sure if this has been reported before: Coroner: Oregon trucker dies in Ill. of swine flu http://www.miamiherald.com/news/flor...y/1199003.html 08.23.09 A coroner says a trucker from Oregon has died in southwestern Illinois of swine flu. Madison County Coroner Steve Nonn says 45-year-old Derrick Keel of Beaverton, Ore., died Wednesday night at a Maryville hospital after driving himself there three days earlier complaining of fever, shortness of breath and a several-day cough. Nonn says an autopsy showed that Keel had pneumonia in both lungs. Tests by the Illinois Department of Public Health lab confirmed the presence of the H1N1 virus. Nonn says Keel worked for Landstar System Inc. of Jacksonville, Fla., and had traveled through several states in the days before his hospitalization. A message left Sunday with Landstar wasn't immediately returned. Since April, nearly 400 Illinois residents have been hospitalized with swine flu and, including Keel's case, 18 have died. We could see transportation problems

Canadian-guerilla | 08-24-2009 07:50 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Kitty (Post 1884290) We could see transportation problems
if half(?) the american population comes down with this swine flu, either all at once or intermittently, any delay/stoppage in the food transportation line could make for a long hard winter

aybesee123 | 08-24-2009 08:32 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.cesa.net/DOCS/08192009.PDF

Ryedale | 08-25-2009 11:40 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.yahoo.com/s/1119981 Link to ABC video report 90,000+ will die from Swine Flu this fall/winter.

Abouthadit | 08-25-2009 12:36 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Vaccine-Induced Disease Epidemic Outbreaks The Engineering of 'Pandemics' By A. True Ott, PhD, ND 8-23-9 The year was 1921. America was entering a decade of robust prosperity. Later called "The Roaring Twenties", it was a time of unparalleled economic expansion. Debt money from Wall Street banks was plentiful and easy to obtain. The "Great War" was over. America was flexing her industrial muscles. Factories were being built and expanded in every major city. Automobiles began rolling off Detroit assembly lines in record numbers. The stock market began making millionaires. People were HEALTHY and HAPPY � largely because the dreaded "world mystery disease" (which decades later became known as the "1918 Flu Pandemic") had disappeared. Two entire years had passed with no dreaded "mystery deaths" being reported. America had cause to celebrate, and celebrate they did! As a matter of fact, the American Public in general was so optimistic and HAPPY in 1921, that relatively few people were unhealthy as well. For the first time in decades, hospital beds were empty. The fledgling American Medical Association, formed by John D. Rockefeller just a few years earlier, was worried. Business was sagging. Profits from vaccines and drugs were spiraling. Something had to be done, and done immediately. False, faux epidemics of smallpox were created to solve the problem, and keep the Medical Mafia's cash registers ringing. We know this dastardly plan actually happened, thanks to a citizen's WATCHDOG GROUP in Kansas City, Missouri named "The Advertiser's Protective Bureau", who filed, and successfully prosecuted criminal charges against the Missouri state chapter of the AMA � the Jackson Medical Society. The 'Protective Bureau's" official report of this cold-blooded plot reads as follows: "In the Fall of 1921, the health of the city was unusually good, but slow for the doctors. So the Jackson Medical Society met and resolved to make an epidemic in the city. According to the minutes of this meeting: 'MOTION WAS MADE AND SECONDED, THAT A RECOMMENDATION BE MADE BY THE COMMITTEE, TO THE BOARD OF HEALTH, THAT AN EPIDEMIC OF SMALLPOX BE DECLARED IN THE CITY. (Investigation later revealed that there was NO SIGN OF AN EPIDEMIC at the time, in the city, or anywhere in the state or region!) 'It was moved and seconded that a day be set aside, termed VACCINATION DAY, on which physicians would be stationed at ALL SCHOOLS, clinics, public buildings and hospitals to vaccinate "free of charge". (Vaccinations are never "free". The taxpayers are always forced to pay for every one of the "free" vaccines.) "IT IS FURTHER RECOMMENDED THAT WIDE PUBLICITY BE GIVEN, STATING THAT VACCINATION IS A PREVENTIVE OF SMALLPOX, AND URGING THE ABSOLUTE NECESSITY OF VACCINATION FOR EVERY MAN, WOMAN, AND CHILD IN THE CITY." rest of article here http://www.rense.com/general87/indu.htm sorry if this has been posted before.

Brio | 08-25-2009 12:51 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread I can't help but wonder if big pharma has taken this a step farther. Created panics are old hat, pandemics (as Abouthadit pointed out) have been exploited since 1921. But say...SARS H5N1 now H1N1 panics and all the hype in the media, about how the just have to have a vaccine out by fall. The push to have it sooner than usual testing is allowed and 'oops' they made a mistake and that vaccine you got will cause you lifetime problems unless you buy this medication to reverse the detrimental effects. They sell you the problem disguised as a solution and then they sell you the antidote. maybe I'm just a woo-woo.

Canadian-guerilla | 08-25-2009 03:35 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Brio (Post 1885603) I can't help but wonder if big pharma has taken this a step farther. Created panics are old hat, pandemics (as Abouthadit pointed out) have been exploited since 1921. But say...SARS H5N1 now H1N1 panics and all the hype in the media, about how the just have to have a vaccine out by fall. The push to have it sooner than usual testing is allowed and 'oops' they made a mistake and that vaccine you got will cause you lifetime problems unless you buy this medication to reverse the detrimental effects. They sell you the problem disguised as a solution and then they sell you the antidote. maybe I'm just a woo-woo.
not at all, Brio Problem-Reaction-Solution but this time, i think i think we may get a double dose Problem - pandemic Reaction - gov't save me Solution - tested(?) vaccine PROBLEM - swine flu is mutating, people dying ( from what ? ) REACTION - SAVE ME !!! :cryin2: SOLUTION - YOYO ( you're on your own )

Canadian-guerilla | 08-25-2009 03:43 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Ten Things You're Not Supposed to Know about the Swine Flu Vaccine Tuesday, July 28, 2009 Let's not beat around the bush on this issue: The swine flu vaccines now being prepared for mass injection into infants, children, teens and adults have never been tested and won't be tested before the injections begin. In Europe, where flu vaccines are typically tested on hundreds (or thousands) of people before being unleashed on the masses, the European Medicines Agency is allowing companies to skip the testing process entirely. And yet, amazingly, people are lining up to take the vaccine, absent any safety testing whatsoever. When the National Institutes of Health in the U.S. announced a swine flu vaccine trial beginning in early August, it was inundated with phone calls and emails from people desperate to play the role of human guinea pigs. The power of fear to herd sheeple into vaccine injections is simply amazing... Back in Europe, of course, everybody gets to be a guinea pig since no testing will be done on the vaccine at all. Even worse, the European vaccines will be using adjuvants -- chemicals used to multiply the potency of the active ingredients in vaccines. Notably, there is absolutely no safety data on the use of adjuvants in infants and expectant mothers -- the two groups being most aggressively targeted by the swine flu vaccine pushers. The leads us to the disturbing conclusion that the swine flu vaccine could be a modern medical disaster. It's untested and un-tried. Its ingredients are potentially quite dangerous, and the adjuvants being used in the European vaccines are suspected of causing neurological disorders. Paralyzed by vaccines I probably don't need to remind you that in 1976, a failed swine flu vaccine caused irreparable damage to the nervous systems of hundreds of people, paralyzing many. Medical doctors gave the problem a name, of course, to make it sound like they knew what they were talking about: Guillain-Barre syndrome. (Notably, they never called it "Toxic Vaccine Syndrome" because that would be too informative.) But the fact remains that doctors never knew how the vaccines caused these severe problems, and if the same event played out today, all the doctors and vaccine pushers would undoubtedly deny any link between the vaccines and paralysis altogether. (That's what's happening today with the debate over vaccines and autism: Complete denial.) In fact, there are a whole lot of things you'll never be told by health authorities about the upcoming swine flu vaccine. For your amusement, I've written down the ten most obvious ones and published them below. Ten things you're not supposed to know about the swine flu vaccine (At least, not by anyone in authority...) #1 - The vaccine production was "rushed" and the vaccine has never been tested on humans. Do you like to play guinea pig for Big Pharma? If so, line up for your swine flu vaccine this fall... #2 - Swine flu vaccines contain dangerous adjuvants that cause an inflammatory response in the body. This is why they are suspected of causing autism and other neurological disorders. #3 - The swine flu vaccine could actually increase your risk of death from swine flu by altering (or suppressing) your immune system response. There is zero evidence that even seasonal flu shots offer any meaningful protection for people who take the jabs. Vaccines are the snake oil of modern medicine. #4 - Doctors still don't know why the 1976 swine flu vaccines paralyzed so many people. And that means they really have no clue whether the upcoming vaccine might cause the same devastating side effects. (And they're not testing it, either...) #5 - Even if the swine flu vaccine kills you, the drug companies aren't responsible. The U.S. government has granted drug companies complete immunity against vaccine product liability. Thanks to that blanket immunity, drug companies have no incentive to make safe vaccines, because they only get paid based on quantity, not safety (zero liability). #6 - No swine flu vaccine works as well as vitamin D to protect you from influenza. That's an inconvenient scientific fact that the U.S. government, the FDA and Big Pharma hope the people never realize. #7 - Even if the swine flu vaccine actually works, mathematically speaking if everyone else around you gets the vaccine, you don't need one! (Because it can't spread through the population you hang with.) So even if you believe in the vaccine, all you need to do is encourage your friends to go get vaccinated... #8 - Drug companies are making billions of dollars from the production of swine flu vaccines. That money comes out of your pocket -- even if you don't get the jab -- because it's all paid by the taxpayers. #9 - When people start dying in larger numbers from the swine flu, rest assured that many of them will be the very people who got the swine flu vaccine. Doctors will explain this away with their typical Big Pharma logic: "The number saved is far greater than the number lost." Of course, the number "saved" is entirely fictional... imaginary... and exists only in their own warped heads. #10 - The swine flu vaccine centers that will crop up all over the world in the coming months aren't completely useless: They will provide an easy way to identify large groups of really stupid people. (Too bad there isn't some sort of blue dye that we could tag 'em with for future reference...) The lottery, they say, is a tax on people who can't do math. Similarly, flu vaccines are a tax on people who don't understand health. http://www.naturalnews.com/026717_sw...u_vaccine.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-25-2009 05:21 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread REPORT TO THE PRESIDENT ON U.S. PREPARATIONS FOR 2009-H1N1 INFLUENZA August 7, 2009 PDF

StackerKen | 08-25-2009 11:50 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread haven't read this thread (just found it) don't know if this has been posted Quote:
The latest surveillance report (week 20) from the CDC, clearly indicates that swine H1N1 activity is on the rise in the United States, as seasonal flu levels continue to decline. Consequently the ratio of swine H1N1 to seasonal flu (H1N1, H3N2, influenza B, combined) is greater than 10 to 1. Thus, the vast majority of influenza infections in the United States are now swine flu, which is clear from the latest figures, even though reporting agencies in the United States are limiting testing (see updated map). The latest figures show 1213 (1096+117) swine H1N1 cases compared to a total of 121 for seasonal flu (24+70+27). More importantly however, is the steady increase in the percentage of samples which are positive, (now at 22.41%), which is a frequency characteristic of seasonal flu at the height of flu season.
More here http://www.recombinomics.com/News/06...ne_Summer.html

StackerKen | 08-25-2009 11:54 PM
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Awoke | 08-26-2009 10:04 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Seems I'm a little late in joining this thread, but I'm glad to have found it do to a bump in the GD forum. I'll be contributing shortly.

Canadian-guerilla | 08-26-2009 10:49 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread NY Doctor with Obama's ear has more sobering news: Swine flu is real and vaccine is not ready Wednesday, August 26th 2009 The New York doctor who has the President's ear on swine flu warned on Tuesday that the threat this fall is real. And if you even suspect you're sick, he says, "isolate yourself." "This flu could be extremely dangerous," said Dr. Harold Varmus, co-chairman of the President's Council of Advisers on Science and Technology. "It needs to be taken seriously." Varmus is co-author of a stunning report delivered Monday to the White House that says 90,000 Americans could die of swine flu in the coming months. The 68-page report said about half of all Americans will get the H1N1 virus - and 1.8 million will wind up in the hospital, stressing the health care system. "The infection rate will be pretty high," he told the Daily News. "Everybody is at quite high risk." "You should be watching for the symptoms," he said "and stay at home if they're mild. Isolate yourself so you don't spread the virus." But "if people are feeling quite sick, they should not wait to consult their doctor" and instead head to the hospital. There are still a lot of unknowns, Varmus admits: * The new swine flu vaccine won't fully be ready until the virus is well underway. * There's no guarantee it will even work. * Experts are not even sure whether it will have to be given in one or two doses. "I don't know yet," said Varmus. "Until the data is here, we won't know if one or two doses is sufficient. There's a strong history that this virus is different. "We do think there will be some vaccine available in mid-September, but it will not be nearly enough to vaccinate the entire population," he said. Varmus says the first to get the vaccine - which takes up to six weeks to be effective - should be health care workers, adults with preexisting health problems, women in late pregnancy and kids younger than 4. That will mean many people will remain exposed through October and November, when swine flu is expected to come back with a vengeance. The city Education Department said Wednesday it's preparing for the virus but did not specify how. The city Health Department did not comment on Varmus' new warnings but has previously said that New York is ready. Swine flu was first detected in Mexico in April. It killed 47 New Yorkers in the spring and sent the city into a frenzy, shuttering schools and jamming emergency rooms. The virus sickened more than 1 million people across the country. If the new estimate for the number of swine flu hospitalizations in October and November is correct, it could force doctors to put off elective surgeries such as heart bypass or hernia operations, the head of the American Hospital Association said yesterday. "If you have 1.8 million hospital admissions across six months, that's a whole lot different than if you have it across six weeks," said James Bentley, hospital association vice president. http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...not_ready.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-26-2009 11:04 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread The Military Vaccine Resource Directory Please Note: This site is in no way connected to the military. We provide documented and public information. Stories from the troops are first-hand accounts, posted with their permission. Thank you for visiting us. http://www.mvrd.org/index.cfm

reviver | 08-26-2009 11:23 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Exposed: The Swine Flu Hoax by Andrew Bosworth The alarm has been sounded. Politicians, pharmaceutical executives and media conglomerates would have us believe that a 1918-style pandemic is a real threat. The 1918 pandemic, however, evolved out of conditions unique to World War I, for four specific reasons. Why 2009 Is Not 1918 First, World War I was characterized by millions of troops living in waterlogged trenches along the Western Front. This war zone became fertile ground for an opportunistic virus, as medical literature reveals: "�a landscape that was contaminated with respiratory irritants such as chlorine and phosgene, and characterized by stress and overcrowding, the partial starvation in civilians, and the opportunity for rapid �passage� of influenza in young soldiers would have provided the opportunity for multiple but small mutational charges throughout the viral genome."1 Second, the war witnessed the growth of industrial-scale military camps and embarkation ports, such as Etaples in France, enabling the flu virus to enter into another phase of accelerated mutation. On any given day, Etaples was a makeshift city of 100,000 troops from around the British Empire and its former dominions. These soldiers concentrated into unsanitary barracks, tents and mess halls. Today, many cities and nations have dense concentrations of people; none of these, however, are geographically isolated under the conditions of trench warfare and World War I-style deployments. Of course, there are smaller, sub-populations of people in prisons (prone to multi-drug resistant tuberculosis), in military barracks (prone to respiratory pathogens and meningococcal infections) and on cruise ships (prone to the Norovirus) � all proof of the connection between human confinement on the one hand and infectious disease on the other. Third, after the war, ships such as the USS Alaskan became floating Petri dishes. Thousands of soldiers were packed like sardines for the long voyage home, allowing the virus to reverberate within hermetically-sealed units. Fourth, returning troops were stuffed into boxcars for the train trip back to military bases, where they infected new recruits. Later, it was documented that Army regiments whose barracks allowed only 45 square feet per soldier had a flu incidence up to ten times that of regiments afforded 78 square feet per man.2 The 1918 flu virus became pandemic because, during World War I, the normal host-pathogen relationship was abandoned when millions of young men crowded into geographical confinement. In World War I, a flu virus was presented with a seemingly limitless number of hosts � almost all young, male, and with compromised immune systems. Unconstrained and unchecked by the usual habits of human behavior, the virus went rogue. Flu viruses are smart, but they are not suicidal: if the host becomes extinct the virus will become extinct too. The evolutionary strategy, from the virus�s perspective, is to stay one step ahead of the immune systems of both humans and animals � but not two steps ahead. The flu virus aims to infect and reproduce without killing a critical mass of the hosts, of the herd, so the virus�s virulence is ameliorated after it becomes fatal for people on the margins of the host population � the weak and the elderly. World War I disrupted this synchronized, co-evolutionary relationship between flu viruses and human populations. No flu since 1918 has been strong enough to produce, in millions of people, a "cytokine storm," which is an immunological over-reaction leading to pulmonary edema (the lungs filling with fluid) � the curse of those with the strongest immune systems, normally between 20 and 40 years of age. In normal flu pandemics, even in severe ones, the flu virus kills a portion of the weak and elderly. This appears to be the case in 1837 for Germany and in 1890 for Russia, though reliable medical evidence is scarce. It was certainly true for the Asian flu of 1957 and the Hong Kong flu of 1968, neither of which were significantly fatal for young adults. The flu 1976�1977 has been exposed as a boondoggle, a fraud, with far more people dying of the vaccine than from the flu itself. Indeed, 1918 was an aberration. Since then, no flu has scythed away so many people: some 500,000 Americans and anywhere between 25�50 million people worldwide in three waves: first in March, then in August (the deadliest wave), and in then again in November of 1918, lasting into the spring of 1919. The origins of the 1918 pandemic can be traced back to the trenches of the Western Front in 1915, 1916, and 1917 � to the world�s first large-scale industrial and international war. There was no other cause: If WWI had not been fought, it is inconceivable that the 1918 flu pandemic would have been so severe. Today, in 2009, absent the conditions of WWI, it is preposterous for political and medical authorities to claim that the swine flu is a menace to society. The Mysterious Origins of the H1N1 "Swine Flu" Virus If the current H1N1 swine flu virus does become abnormally lethal, there would be three leading explanations: first, that the virus was accidentally released, or escaped, from a laboratory; second, that a disgruntled lab employee unleashed the virus (as happened, according to the official version of events, with the 2001 anthrax attack); or third, that a group, corporation or government agency intentionally released the virus in the interests of profit and power. Each of the three scenarios represents a plausible explanation should the swine virus become lethal. After all, the 1918 flu virus was dead and buried � until, that is, scientists unearthed a lead coffin to obtain a biopsy of the corpse it contained. Later, researchers similarly disturbed an Inuit woman buried under permafrost.3 The US Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, with a scientist from the Mount Sinai School of Medicine, then began to reconstruct the 1918 Spanish flu. Had Iran or North Korea engaged in Frankenstein experiments (complete with ransacking graves) to reverse engineer the 1918 virus the US and the UK would have gone ballistic at the UN Security Council. Interestingly, numerous doctors and scientists suspect that the swine flu virus was cultured in a laboratory. A mainstream Australian virologist, Adrian Gibbs � who was one of the first to analyze the genetic properties of the 2009 swine flu � believes that scientists accidentally created the H1N1 virus while producing vaccines. And Dr. John Carlo, Dallas Co. Medical Director, "This strain of swine influenza that�s been cultured in a laboratory is something that�s not been seen anywhere actually in the United States and the world, so this is actually a new strain of influenza that�s been identified."4 Because of this, the 2009 swine flu virus � which has yet to be detected in any animals � has a rather suspicious pedigree. The Propaganda Campaign Across the mainstream media, reports announce one swine flu death after another (even though ordinary flu kills about 35,000 Americans each year). Upon closer scrutiny of what passes for journalism, the victims have "underlying health problems," or "a common underlying health condition," or "significant medical conditions." One news headline even blared: "Swine flu mother dies after giving birth, leaving her premature baby fighting for life," and only later, buried deep in the story underneath, did it explain that she had "other medical problems" which included being confined to a wheelchair because of a serious car accident. Citizens the world over are increasingly skeptical of hyped headlines followed by smaller-print caveats. They are uneasy with the effort to create "doublethink" � a term coined by George Orwell in 1984 and a reference to holding two contradictory ideas in one�s mind simultaneously, paralyzing critical thought. The media has never been in the habit of reporting the cases of people who, for no known reason, die of the flu. Out of the 35,000 Americans who die each year from flu-related illnesses, some are bound to be relatively young and healthy. It happens. This year, however, their stories are front-page news. More recently, news reports now claim that the H1N1 swine flu can affect people in the lungs and lead to pneumonia. This, however, is what separates the flu from the common cold in the first place; and this is why tens of thousands of elderly people die of flu-related symptoms each year. Fox News even claimed that "this one morphs and mutates and comes back in different ways�," (like all flu viruses). In short, the media now uses the flu�s own ordinary symptoms to fuel fear. Fortunately, a growing wave of online media challenges the propaganda. Back in 1976, there were no rival voices, and the Center for Disease Control�s manipulative television commercials dominated the airwaves. Fortunately, as a testament to official shamelessness, these videos are now archived and searchable on the Internet under the title of "1976 Swine Flu Propaganda." Now, like then, the US government�s pandemic policy alternates between the ridiculous and the repugnant. The government�s flu website is revealing. First, the historical section on the 1918 virus is intellectually dishonest, making absolutely no link between the unique conditions of World War I and the flu pandemic; instead, the site propagates the erroneous notion that this virus came out of the blue.5 Second, the site announces an absurd American Idol-style video contest: "Create a Video About Preventing or Dealing With the Flu & Be Eligible to Win $2500 Cash!" (Congress has earmarked 8 billion dollars for swine flu prevention and can only offer $2,500 to the proles � or, rather, to the one prole who, rising above mediocrity, best parrots the Party Line.) And third, the site encourages the use of Twitter to "stay informed�" There is something mildly disturbing about the US federal government promoting Twitter as a form of resistance to foreign authoritarianism, while, simultaneously, using social networking to further federalize and protect the abuse of power at home. 1976 + 1984 = 2009 In sum, it appears that the 2009 swine flu pandemic will not be 1918. It might be a 1976-style hoax, however, serving profit and power � with a bit of Orwell�s 1984 thrown in for good measure. Notes 1. JS Oxford, A Sefton, R Jackson, W Innes, RS Daniels, and NPAS Johnson, "World War I may have allowed the emergence of �Spanish� influenza," The Lancet/ Infectious Diseases Vol. 2 February 2002. 2. Byerly CR. 2005. Fever of War: The Influenza Epidemic in the U.S. Army During World War I. New York, NY: New York University Press. 3. Ann H. Reid, Thomas G. Fanning, Johan V. Hultin, and Jeffery K. Taubenberger, "Origin and Evolution of the 1918 Spanish Influenza Virus Hemagglutinin Gene, PNAS Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. Division of Molecular Pathology, Department of Cellular Pathology, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, Washington, DC. Communicated by Edwin D. Kilbourne, New York 4. Paul Joseph Watson, "Medical Director: Swine Flu Was �Cultured In A Laboratory," This strain of swine influenza that�s been cultured in a laboratory is something that�s not been seen anywhere actually in the United States and the world, so this is actually a new strain of influenza that�s been identified, April 26, 2009. 5. http://www.flu.gov/ August 26, 2009 Andrew Bosworth, Ph.D. [send him mail], is author of Biotech Empire. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/bosworth1.1.1.html Copyright � 2009 by LewRockwell.com. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit is given.

Canadian-guerilla | 08-26-2009 11:28 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread CAMC will require flu shots Wed. August 26, 2009 Aug 26, 2009 (Charleston Daily Mail - McClatchy-Tribune Information Services via COMTEX) -- VITL | Quote | Chart | News | PowerRating -- CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- Charleston Area Medical Center employees must get seasonal flu shots this year or risk losing their jobs. All CAMC Health System workers must get vaccinated by Dec. 15 or their employment will be terminated, CAMC said in its August newsletter Vital Signs. "The strongest recommendation that's out there is to take the vaccine every year," CAMC Director of Epidemiology Terrie Lee said Tuesday. "Our board of trustees and administrators had been discussing this for a couple years. We decided this year to make it a mandatory process for all of our employees." Employees may submit a request for accommodation due to health reasons, such as allergies to a component of the flu vaccine. They have until Sept. 15 to do so, and if requests are confirmed, those employees would have to wear a mask over their nose and mouth while at work during flu season, the newsletter said. "That's interesting," Dr. Rahul Gupta, health officer and executive director of the Kanawha-Charleston Health Department, said when asked about CAMC's new policy. "Health care employees are very essential to any flu response efforts." From a public health standpoint it is a positive step, Gupta said, adding he was curious to see if other hospitals follow CAMC's lead. "I'm not aware of any national guidelines recommending that all employees of any institutions, hospitals or not, be forced to have flu vaccines," Gupta said. "However ... I do understand they are private employers, and private employers do have a right to expect a healthy work force." Flu shots will start Nov. 2 and will be offered at employee health offices and on nursing units, the newsletter said. The requirement covers about 6,000 employees, including clinical staff, workers in off-site locations and office workers, CAMC said. CAMC workers who submit requests for an accommodation regarding the flu shot because of health limitations must provide documentation from a physician or take a free allergy test, Lee said. "Nobody would be given the vaccine if it would be a dangerous thing for them to do," Lee said. CAMC always has offered free flu vaccinations to employees, Lee said, and it has raised its worker vaccination rate to 70 percent over the past few years from earlier rates of about 30 percent to 40 percent. Past efforts to raise the flu shot rate have included training nursing staff representatives to educate and vaccinate their co-workers and requiring employees who work with patients to sign a declination statement if they choose not to take the vaccine, Lee said. But CAMC officials want to raise the vaccination rate to 100 percent to help avoid spreading influenza or negatively affecting patient recovery, Lee said. "It's just not good for anybody," Lee said. "People are infectious to other people with the flu before they become symptomatic. "Many people are certainly misinformed about that," Lee added. "They'll say 'I would never want to make anybody sick. If I'm sick, I'll stay home.' That sounds like a real good idea and yet... it's too late." This is the first time CAMC has required mandatory vaccinations for the seasonal flu, Lee said. However, the hospital system requires several other vaccinations for workers upon hire. That includes measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, tetanus, pertussis and diphtheria. Lee said she was unaware of any other hospitals in West Virginia requiring flu vaccinations for employment but colleagues seemed excited about the idea. "Everybody who works in infection prevention as I do believes this is a critical element of their infection prevention program in their facility," Lee said. Lee did not have a figure for how much the increased flu vaccines and allergy tests would cost but said it was not expected to be a huge additional cost and it also could help reduce absenteeism from illness. Feedback has come from both employees who are glad for the policy and those who are unhappy about being told what to do, Lee said. "Some of the people that have been so committed to increasing our participation feel that they're really gung ho about getting their co-workers to get the vaccine," Lee said. With the unhappy workers, "we've had to gently remind them that there are other vaccines that they had to take to work here," Lee said. "It's not an unusual concept," Lee added. "It's just one that has not been implemented regarding this vaccine up to this point." Other vaccines usually are given to a person once or as a series, whereas the flu shot is given every year, Lee said. "It's a safe vaccine," Lee said. "It's very good and effective, especially for young, healthy people." The decision to make the seasonal flu shot mandatory comes as international concerns grow regarding swine flu, but Lee said the seasonal flu shot decision was unrelated. "It's one of our top goals that's worked on for the infectious control plan," Lee said of the seasonal flu vaccine. "It's one of our top priorities. This was sort of a natural next step." As for the swine flu, CAMC has no immediate plans to make that mandatory but expects to follow recommendations from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention regarding targeted groups to receive that particular vaccination, Lee said. Also, it still is unclear how much of the swine flu vaccine CAMC will receive, she said. "It's not going to be something that is going to be readily available to all employees," Lee said. "We would within our system then apply those categories to our own population and determine what the priorities are and develop a system for delivering them. It would probably not be mandatory, but we really have not made that kind of decision." http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/...0News/2496643/

Canadian-guerilla | 08-26-2009 12:07 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Preparing for swine flu: 10 questions that all nurses need to ask themselves 26 August, 2009 An outline of 10 points nurses should consider when assessing whether they are prepared to deal with the challenges of a swine flu pandemic 10 questions to ask yourself 1 Have I been fit-tested for a mask? 2 Am I confident in putting on and taking off my PPE without contaminating myself? 3 Am I aware of the latest guidance on managing patients with swine flu? 4 If not, do I know where to find it? 5 Do I know how infected patients are managed in the hospital? 6 Have I discussed with my family possible arrangements for child or elderly care during a pandemic? 7 Do I have key skills that could be re-deployed elsewhere? 8 What would my training requirements be if I were to be re-deployed? 9 What information would I want to know from my hospital manager during a pandemic? 10 Have I considered and discussed the ethical dilemmas I may be required to deal with during this pandemic? more . . . . http://www.nursingtimes.net/nursing-...005628.article

JJ_ | 08-26-2009 12:14 PM
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Canadian-guerilla | 08-26-2009 12:24 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread RAND advises pharmaceutical company on strategies in vaccinating low-income students August 26, 2009 (vactruth.com) The pieces of the pandemic puzzle are coming together as the H1N1 Swine Flu hysteria is reaching new heights. A largely uncovered white paper published by RAND Corporation in March of 2009, sponsored by pharmaceutical giant Sanofi Pasteur, identifies parental consent laws, medical homes, and lack of access to medical records as main barriers �for immunizing low-income adolescents.� The solution proposed to Sanofi Pasteur? Turn schools into a vaccine wonderland. The triad of barriers to mass-vaccinate adolescents which were identified in RAND Corp�s white paper are: 1. Parental Consent Laws 2. Absence of a reliable Medical Home 3. Access to vaccine registration information There are many relevant quotes throughout the white-paper to support this claim. Here are just a few� �It would appear at first blush that vaccinating teens in a school setting would be a practical way to address the barriers posed by the lack of a medical home. Schools are the only place where the vast majority of adolescents are found consistently and predictably ([1] pg 19) (emphasis mine) �Many of the barriers we identified�while seemingly distinct�were tied to current consent laws. We found that the requirement that parental consent for vaccination be provided in real time clearly limits the vaccination of adolescents in venues such as schools, where parents and adolescents are not likely to be together.� ([1] pg 27) (emphasis mine) �Ambiguity and variability in consent laws also hinder the role of alternative vaccinators and the use of information technology to improve documentation, management, and communication. Current approaches for collecting consent � impede effective and efficient program management that might be possible with modernized parental consent laws.� ([1] pg 27) (emphasis mine) While immunization registries have traditionally focused on younger children, improving their utility for the adolescent population has great potential to facilitate improvement in the management of adolescent vaccination programs. One natural partnership, not yet fully realized, is with local schools. ([1] pg 44) (emphasis mine) According to the preface of the document, this endeavor started in 2007 as Sanofi Pasteur desired information concerning the current logistical climate for vaccinating the less fortunate. However, the title of the document, �Strategies and Models for Promoting Adolescent Vaccination for Low-Income Population� is misleading. The recommendations that RAND produced for Sanofi Pasteur have ramifications for the entire scholastic population, as shown in the following passage. �Although our original charge was to focus on low-income adolescents,we found the current policy and practice infrastructure supporting the vaccination of the general population of adolescents to be underdeveloped and thus unlikely to yield substantial increases in vaccination uptake among low-income adolescents in the absence of structural change. For this reason, we addressed the issue of adolescent immunization from a broad perspective, identifying more general approaches that can be tailored to low-income populations, and addressed specific issues and challenges for low-income adolescents where appropriate. � ([1] pg 5)(emphasis mine) It is critical to bring into focus throughout the entirety of this article who is the intended audience of the RAND Corp dossier: Sanofi Pasteur. UNDERSTANDING OF CONTEXT We must understand where this report came from. It most certainly did not randomly fall out of the sky and softly land on the lap of an innocent onlooker at Sanofi. Nor is it by chance RAND was engaged for researching this specific topic. Interestingly, the subject of addressing a pandemic influenza has been on RAND Corporation�s radar for some period of time and it would only make sense that a manufacturer of vaccines would have a keen interest in RAND�s insider knowledge. You may be asking yourself at this point, �Who is RAND Corporation?� �RAND Corporation(Research ANd Development) is a nonprofit global policy think tank first formed to offer research and analysis to the United States armed forces by Douglas Aircraft Company and currently financed predominantly by the U.S. government, a private endowment, predominantly pharmaceutical corporations, universities and private individuals. The organization has long since expanded to working with other governments, private foundations, international organizations, and commercial organizations on a host of non-defense issues.� [2] It is well established that members of RAND Corporation are on the dole from entities such as GlaxoSmithKline [3, 4], and Sanofi Pasteur[1]. Other projects concerning health, population control and pandemic issues have been funded by The California Endowment [5], Robert W Woodruff Foundation [5, 8], William and Flora Hewlett Foundation [9], David and Lucile Packard Foundation [9], the Rockefeller Foundation [9], United Nations Population Fund [9], the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI)[5, 8], The US Department of Health and Human Services [5-7, 10, 11 ] , The Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response [6,11] and the US Army[12] to name a few. Let us not be naive to the fact RAND Corporation has enormous influence in Washington D.C. as evidenced with the recent Gilmore Commission (1999-2003). The Gilmore Commission �was a Congressional Advisory Panel�and�entered into a contract with the RAND National Defense Research Institute (NDRI), a federally funded research and development center (FFRDC), to establish the Advisory Panel. The Advisory Panel assessed the capabilities for responding to terrorist incidents in the U.S. involving weapons of mass destruction. Response capabilities at the Federal, State, and local levels were examined, with a particular emphasis on the latter two.� [13] �Of the Gilmore Commission�s 164 recommendations, 146 have been adopted in whole or in part by the Congress and the federal government.� [13] Perhaps you would be comforted if you knew RAND recommended a National Vaccine Authority because private industry bears too much liability and risk? ([14] Appendix N, [15]) In a report to the congressional advisory panel, RAND decided to, �recommend the establishment of a government-owned, contractor-operated national facility for the research, development, and production of vaccines and therapeutics for specified infectious-especially contagious-diseases.� ([14] pg vi, 30) GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), a �competing� pharmaceutical company, funded RAND in mid-flu-season 2008 to make a determination on how many Americans received their flu shot. Roughly 1/3 of the respondents communicated that the flu jab �wasn�t needed.� ([3] pg 1) At the end of the 2008/2009 flu season GSK tested the waters again and funded a study to discover 38% of Americans took the annual influenza vaccine. ([4] pg 1) RAND exposed that roughly 25% of the respondents flat out said they �don�t need it,� ([4] pg 3) despite the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) specifically recommending an annual influenza vaccination. The data from the GSK-funded study also showed that minorities were also less likely to be vaccinated with the annual influenza vaccine. ([16] pg 2) Shortly after both of the flu shot coverage studies were completed by RAND, �Strategies and Models for Promoting Adolescent Vaccination for Low-Income Population� was published in 2009. Remarkably, this data comes on the coattails of hysteria surrounding the H5N1 Bird Flu([11] pg 1, [19]), West Nile Virus ([10] pg 145, [20]), Monkeypox ([10] pg 163), SARS ([10] pg 155), Smallpox ([12] pg 198) and Anthrax ([17]pg 3, [18]) scares after 9/11. These aforementioned outbreaks were evaluated by RAND Corporation at some capacity. Astute students who are �in-the-know� are well aware of the prophetic messages of individuals such as Dr. Sherri Tenpenny as described in her book, �Fowl! It�s Not What You Think�, [21] in referring to the recent Bird Flu (H5N1). By example, Dr. Tenpenny refers to a patent application for the MF59 adjuvant that was going to be used for the Avian Flu Virus (H5N1). The same MF59 adjuvant is being used in the Swine Flu vaccine (H1N1). Here is an excerpt from US Patent 6299884 and then from a workshop on adjuvants and therapeutic vaccines, respectively. �Any metabolizable oil, particularly from an animal, fish or vegetable source, may be used. It is essential that the oil be metabolized by the host otherwise the oil component may cause abscesses, granulomas or even carcinomas, or (when used in veterinary practice) may make the meat of vaccinated birds and animals unacceptable for human consumption due to the deleterious effect the unmetabolized oil may have on the consumer.� [22-23](emphasis mine) �Carcinogenicity, we (Dr. Deborah Novicki of Novartis, another pharmaceutical company) have done no testing for the carcinogenicity of MF59 adjuvant or any of our preventive vaccines. We haven�t done it and we don�t plan to.� ([24] pg 391)(emphasis mine) RAND also recommends funneling the responsibility of determining vaccine stockpile amounts be left to Homeland Security. ([12] pg vii) Ask yourself, when has your government been successful at anything and had a balanced budget? When RAND speaks, America�s public servants willingly obey. �Lawmakers� know who calls the shots. This is the history you must know as you need to understand that the recommendations RAND makes are made by seasoned veterans who are not simply giving arbitrary counsel. FIVE POINTS FOR DISCUSSION 1. Why are parents not identified as stakeholders? As the story unfolds, the RAND corporation identifies the key stakeholders interviewed for this project for Sanofi Pasteur. The stakeholders are defined as �school nurses and health professionals, researches and legal experts, trade and professional association representatives, immunization coalitions and programs, third-party billers, nontraditional vaccinators.� ([1] pg 8 ) Parents and adolescents are noticeably absent from the aforementioned list. In other words, the �stakeholders� being interviewed by RAND for Sanofi Pasteur have the ability to identify bottlenecks in the vaccination campaign. 2. How can RAND be confused concerning parental consent rules given the breadth and scope of their past projects in addition to state education departments having strict consent procedures? RAND frequently refers to there being, �Confusion and lack of clarity surrounding parental consent rules are substantial barriers to broadening teen vaccination,� ([1] pg 17) and seemingly contradicts themselves ��informants remarked that state education departments� fear of liability drove strict consent procedures for school-based immunization.� ([1] pg 19) Are you aware your child does not have to be vaccinated to attend school? In most states a religious or medical exemption are available. Nineteen states have philosophical exemptions. Simply validate this by viewing the CDC�s website on state immunization laws [25] or view the National Vaccine Information Center�s (NVIC) website.[26] 3. How do we know RAND Corporation is recommending to Sanofi Pasteur, a private company, to utilize and modify an existing mechanism developed by the CDC to promote �health� instead of their own agenda(s)? �CDC�s School Health Index (SHI) offers a framework for increasing school accountability for vaccine promotion and administration, either in the absence of or in conjunction with state mandates. The SHI was developed by the CDC in partnership with school staff, school health experts, parents, and other governmental agencies�.the lack of a comprehensive focus is a barrier to promoting school accountability and moving toward more comprehensive school-based vaccination programs.� ([1] pg 37) �A vaccine-specific module dovetails nicely with existing SHI modules, and would give schools a sense of where they fit on the continuum (from minimal education to vaccination on-site), and where there is room for improvement. As such, an SHI immunization module would help schools increase their involvement and accountability with respect to vaccine promotion and/or administration in ways that are consistent with available resources and levels of interest. In this way, the SHI could be a flexible tool for increasing school accountability for vaccine-related activities in the absence of potentially contentious school mandates, or it could help schools organize and carry out their responsibilities to ensure that students are vaccinated under mandates. �([1] pg 39) 4. What is RAND Corporation�s intention, specifically, for sharing this information with a company that vaccinates our youth for profit? �To help providers and other key stakeholders address these issues (vaccinating adolescents), RAND has been developing a set of Geographic Information System (GIS) mapping and decision tools specifically designed for health care decisionmakers.� ([1] pg 41) �Maps such as these may be used to facilitate the targeting of VFC vaccine, and prioritization of outreach and education based on such factors as the proportion of students receiving free or subsidized school lunches, the availability of primary care providers participating in VFC, and the geographic clustering of Medicaid-eligible children.� ([1] pg 41) �Because third-party billers can assess insurance status, submit insurance claims, and process credit card payments, they can engage in broad outreach beyond geographic areas with high concentrations of VFC-eligible(Vaccines for Children) adolescents and make vaccination more convenient for adolescents with and without health insurance.� ([1] pg 43) 5. Given the nature of past projects of RAND Corporation, it is concerning to know what specific recommendations they gave Sanofi Pasteur (and other business entities) regarding a public relations campaign specific to the �art of vaccination�. Is RAND Corporation and Sanofi Pasteur interested in promoting the TRUTH or their version(s) of it? �..educated adolescents may be able to inform and influence skeptical parents and peers. ([1] pg 31) �Tobaccofreekids.org is a potentially useful model for more directly engaging youth and developing adolescent vaccine �champions�. Ardent supporters of a cause, champions can bring about change by educating those around them and spurring others into action through local events, meetings, or publications�The vaccine industry may also provide opportunities for youth to organize local activities related to vaccination.� ([1] pg 35-36) In the past, members of the RAND Corporation have been involved in researching how to best shape public behavior in avoidance of discrediting public health authorities in preparation for an influenza pandemic. ([17] pg 7) Accordingly, their recommendations involve gathering intelligence on community beliefs as well as recommending creating �active listening opportunities� for members of the community. ([17] pg 8 ) Interesting terms such as �Tipping Point� are also used to convey the following message� (Tipping Point is) meant to identify events, actions, or perceptions that strongly influence psychological reactions or social behaviors at the group or population level�Several individual and community level factors impact these tipping points and will influence the psychological or behavioral responses to pandemic influenza... ([17] pg 5) �How a message is packaged and delivered, as well as how trustworthy and knowledgeable the messenger is also impact communications effectiveness in terms of behavioral response.� ([17] pg 7) In summary, RAND Corporation has been touted as a preeminent �authority� on questions of public health. Their past influence on the shaping of public policy is undeniable. Serious questions should be raised when RAND makes recommendations to a private company on how to supersede parental rights through the manipulation of local, state and federal law. Parents know what is best for their child, not RAND and certainly not Sanofi Pasteur. �No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.� -Albert Einstein references at link http://vactruth.com/2009/08/26/rand-...come-students/

Miss Kitty | 08-26-2009 06:35 PM
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Miss Kitty | 08-26-2009 06:38 PM
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Miss Kitty | 08-26-2009 06:42 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread hmmm, wonder if this is true, and who would want to be in these trials?http://www.kfor.com/lifestyle/health...0,392584.story

Miss Kitty | 08-26-2009 06:46 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Borrowed from another forum. I work in a large regional Hospital in one of the largest cities in my Southern State. I can honestly say that the average healthcare professional in my workplace doesn't have a clue we are even IN a pandemic, much less is anybody doing anything to prepare. I work in Neonatal Intensive Care, and in Pediatrics. We've had a couple of young children come into our hospital with flu-like symptoms this Summer, and the doctors that I've talked to roll their eyes and smirk if I even mention H1N1... seriously. The kids are always treated for bronchiolitis, and put on antibiotics, and they get better in about a week, but nobody in my hospital is even testing for influenza at all. Even when RSV cultures come back negative etc. It is my opinion that the majority of Health Care workers in my hospital are either in denial, or they are just not informed about Pandemic Influenza. Visitation practices haven't changed in our neonatal unit, no visitors are being screened for flu-like symptoms even though we have pregant women with preganancy complications who are are being roomed on our floor, it's a Perinatal floor as well. (The CDC guidelines are virtually unknown by anybody, and everyone thinks I am over reacting when I suggest that tour groups shouldn't be waltzing through our NICU during a world wide pandemic.) I am amazed, by the power of the media to tell foks what to pay attention to from day to day. People look at me in disbelief when I tell them how many Americans have died from novel H1N1. They say things like "Well why isn't that on the news then?" and look at me like I am making it up. They worry about going out of our country on vacation because of the Swine Flu in "Other countries". They're bascially completely ignorant during all of this. And THAT scares me more than anything else ever could. They think I am some wierd eccentric who just studies too much. Basically... they laugh at me. Does it bother me? Not one bit. I sit on my limb and whistle my song to them. If they want to ignore me that's their business. I have learned that some people just will not HEAR anything that disturbs them, and some people do pay attention. __________________

Miss Kitty | 08-26-2009 06:54 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Hundreds out from flu in Opelika and Lee County Hundreds of students are out sick with swine flu or flu like symptoms in Opelkia, Lee County and Auburn City schools. Posted: 12:41 PM Aug 26, 2009 OPELIKA, Ala. (AP) - Hundreds of students are out sick with swine flu or flu like symptoms in Opelkia, Lee County and Auburn City schools. Opelika City School superintendent Mark Neighbors said Tuesday the system has 340 students out sick and Auburn City Schools superintendent Terry Jenkins said 414 of their students are out. Auburn University is reporting approximately 50 potential flu cases while Lee County Schools has numerous absences and is planning a head count Wednesday. All three systems and the university are encouraging the sick to stay home and advocating hand washing or using hand sanitizers as forms of prevention. The school systems are sending students with fevers home. Opelika head coach Brian Blackmon said he's had to come up with a whole new game plan since he's now missing a quarter of his team. (Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) http://www.wtvynews4.com/news/headlines/55054422.html

Miss Kitty | 08-26-2009 06:56 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Judge denies group's flu vaccine request By NEDRA PICKLER Associated Press Writer Posted: 08/26/2009 10:21:24 AM MDT WASHINGTON—A judge on Wednesday denied an advocacy group's bid to prevent the government from giving pregnant women flu vaccines with a preservative that contains mercury. Leaders of the Coalition for Mercury-Free Drugs say their effort took on a new urgency when a government advisory committee recently recommended that pregnant women be among the first people to get swine flu vaccinations when the vaccine becomes available this fall. A small amount of the mercury-containing preservative thimerosal is in most influenza shots, including swine flu vaccines, but some are produced thimerosal-free. The coalition argued that pregnant women should only get the thimerosal-free version because of a risk that the mercury in the shot could poison a fetus and cause medical problems, including autism. But U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton ruled against the group's request for a preliminary injunction because he said the group couldn't prove that pregnant women they represent would get vaccines containing thimerosal. Walton said he would consider further written arguments in the next month about whether the lawsuit can continue. Thimerosal used to be used in a number of vaccines, but manufacturers began removing the preservative from all routine child vaccines in 2001 as a precaution. But numerous large studies have shown no link between thimerosal and autism, or other health problems. http://www.elpasotimes.com/health/ci_13207163

Miss Kitty | 08-26-2009 06:58 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Georgia Colleges See Swine Flu Cases Rise Jake Wade 41 mins ago ATLANTA (AP) -- Some Georgia colleges are seeing a spike in swine flu cases as students return to campus for the fall semester. Georgia Tech spokesman Matt Nagel says there have been about 100 suspected cases in just one week on the Atlanta campus, with 12 of them confirmed as the highly contagious H1N1 virus. He said the 18,000-student university is asking those who have flulike symptoms to isolate themselves for a few days. University of Georgia health center spokeswoman Liz Rachun said the Athens campus has seen about 60 suspected cases, with 20 confirmed. She said she expects that number to rise in the next few days as the virus runs through 35,000-student campus. (Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) http://www.13wmaz.com/news/local/sto...68373&catid=52

Jimfrancisco | 08-26-2009 07:09 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread It's a mild flu. Get over it. What you need to watch for is a mutated version, come winter. 4 of my 6 closest friends have had confirmed swine flu - they all thought it was milder than "seasonal" flu. But come flu season, who knows. I for one, will be taking the vaccine.

Miss Kitty | 08-26-2009 08:36 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1888080) It's a mild flu. Get over it. What you need to watch for is a mutated version, come winter. 4 of my 6 closest friends have had confirmed swine flu - they all thought it was milder than "seasonal" flu. But come flu season, who knows. I for one, will be taking the vaccine.
" What you need to watch for is a mutated version,come winter" And if this mutates, or becomes Tamiflu resistant do you think you will hear it first from .gov. I dont think so. Hopefully this will not be a big issue this fall and I for one WILL NOT be taking the vaccine.:no_ma:

Miss Kitty | 08-26-2009 09:00 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.canada.com/news/national/...592/story.html

blueice | 08-26-2009 09:44 PM
Re: Sickosackusetts.... http://thebirdflupandemic.com/archiv...-massachusetts Thank goodness, ten to twelve millions liberals live hear...I would never move nor vacation in this sinkhole... Look what they are doing to there own kind.... $1000 Per Day Fine And 30 Days In Jail For Refusing The Swine Flu Vaccine In Massachusetts? <!-- Post Body Copy --> http://thebirdflupandemic.com/wp-con...polis-cptn.jpg http://thebirdflupandemic.com/wp-con...IL-293x300.jpg A new law just passed in Massachusetts imposes fines of up to $1000 per day and up to a 30 day jail sentence for not obeying authorities during a public health emergency. So if you are instructed to take the swine flu vaccine in Massachusetts and you refuse, you could be facing fines that will bankrupt you and a prison sentence on top of that. The YouTube video below is of a news report about this disturbing new law. In particular, pay attention at the 1:40 mark when the anchor and reporter discuss the new penalties for not obeying the health authorities during an emergency..... <object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0" width="425" height="344"> <embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/2_oD55WvDmM&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&featur e=player_embedded&fs=1" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></object> If you have not realized it yet, the controversy over swine flu vaccinations is about to get very, very real. The authorities know that a lot of people are extremely concerned about the safety of the swine flu vaccine, and they are putting the infrastructure in place to deal with those dissenters. Let us hope that the worst case scenario with the swine flu does not take place, but the reality is that health authorities across the United States are gearing up for the biggest vaccination campaign in the nation's history. It looks like this fall could be very, very interesting.

Canadian-guerilla | 08-27-2009 11:55 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Setting the people up to die: A conspiracy of silence about swine flu natural remedies (NaturalNews) It's emblazoned across the front page of USA Today, just underneath a subhead declaring Michael Jackson was, indeed, killed by a drug overdose: "Flu could infect half of USA." The article goes on to describe the predicted number of deaths expected in the U.S. (30,000 - 90,000 Americans) as well as the actions being taken by the government to protect Americans from the coming swine flu pandemic. That advice reads sort of like a comic book of health care advice for kindergarteners: Wash your hands, cover your mouth if you cough and let "the grownups" take care of the rest by injecting you with a vaccine. Curiously absent from all the health advice being handed out on the swine flu by the White House, the CDC, the WHO and even the FDA is any mention of Vitamin D or other natural remedies that offer enormous protections from influenza infections. The absence of this information from virtually all the advice being handed out to the American public is increasingly suspicious. If a pandemic flu is, indeed, threatening to infect half the U.S. population, and if most of the population is deficient in a nutrient known to strongly prevent influenza infections, wouldn't it make good sense to make a few announcements encouraging Americans to raise their vitamin D levels throughout the coming winter? It is a well-known medical fact, of course, that influenza always gets worse during the winter months North of the equator and the summer months South of the equator (which are really called their "winter" months). This is because as sunlight hours lessen during the winter, the people living there become vitamin D deficient and are susceptible to influenza infections of all kinds. The information resources backing this are easy to find. Even our own NaturalPedia.com website reveals a large amount of information on natural defenses against influenza (http://www.naturalpedia.com/influen...). NaturalNews.com, of course, offers a wealth of articles on Vitamin D (http://www.naturalnews.com/vitamin_...). In the realm of peer-reviewed medical literature, searching Google Scholar for "influenza" and "vitamin D" returns tens of thousands of results (http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...). In particular, one study appearing in these search results is entitled Epidemic influenza and vitamin D. It was published in 2006 in the journal Epidemiology and Infection (2006, 134:6:1129-1140 Cambridge University Press) and its abstract reads as follows: In 1981, R. Edgar Hope-Simpson proposed that a 'seasonal stimulus' intimately associated with solar radiation explained the remarkable seasonality of epidemic influenza. Solar radiation triggers robust seasonal vitamin D production in the skin; vitamin D deficiency is common in the winter, and activated vitamin D, 1,25(OH)2D, a steroid hormone, has profound effects on human immunity. 1,25(OH)2D acts as an immune system modulator, preventing excessive expression of inflammatory cytokines and increasing the 'oxidative burst' potential of macrophages. Perhaps most importantly, it dramatically stimulates the expression of potent anti-microbial peptides, which exist in neutrophils, monocytes, natural killer cells, and in epithelial cells lining the respiratory tract where they play a major role in protecting the lung from infection. Volunteers inoculated with live attenuated influenza virus are more likely to develop fever and serological evidence of an immune response in the winter. Vitamin D deficiency predisposes children to respiratory infections. Ultraviolet radiation (either from artificial sources or from sunlight) reduces the incidence of viral respiratory infections, as does cod liver oil (which contains vitamin D). An interventional study showed that vitamin D reduces the incidence of respiratory infections in children. We conclude that vitamin D, or lack of it, may be Hope-Simpson's 'seasonal stimulus'. Source: http://journals.cambridge.org/actio... Why the silence? Vitamin D is perhaps the single most powerful nutrient in the known universe for preventing influenza, and yet the Obama White House won't dare utter a word about it to the American people, even in the face of a potentially devastating global pandemic that could be largely halted by vitamin D. It begs the question: Why the silence? There are really only three possible explanations for why the White House and U.S. health authorities would refuse to tell the public about vitamin D as a smart defense against the influenza pandemic: Reason #1) They don't know about vitamin D. This, of course, is impossible. The medical literature is saturated with respectable studies demonstrating the anti-viral and immune modulating effects of vitamin D. For someone in the field of infectious disease to be unaware of vitamin D's protective benefits would be downright laughable. It would be like a car mechanic not knowing what a fuel filter was. Reason #2) They do know about vitamin D, and they want to tell people, but they don't know how or don't have the money. This explanation, too, is ridiculous. Telling the people the truth about vitamin D is as simple (and as free) as just calling a White House press conference, inviting a vitamin D expert like Dr. Michael Holick to say a few words, and putting the message out to the mainstream media. In 24 hours, all the newspaper headlines across the country could print headlines like, "White House urges Americans to boost vitamin D before swine flu strikes." The whole nation could be properly informed about vitamin D in less than 72 hours. But that will never happen. And why? Because of reason #3... Reason #3) They know about vitamin D but they are intentionally withholding information from the American people In essence, they want to keep the American people nutritionally illiterate so that they remain "victims" in the coming influenza crisis. Because of who's involved in this (the White House, FDA, CDC, WHO and many others), it cannot be called anything other than a conspiracy of silence about influenza and vitamin D. What could be the purpose behind such a conspiracy of silence? Clearly its only purpose is to maximize profits to the drug companies and / or maximize the number of deaths that occur when the swine flu strikes North America this coming winter. But why, you might ask, would these so-called authorities wish to see more Americans die? Health care reform via a viral pandemic To answer that, just look at who is most likely to die from swine flu infections: The obese... the people who, generally speaking, are placing the greatest financial burden on the government-funded health care system. The coming swine flu pandemic has the potential to do what no politician could ever get away with: Slash health care spending virtually overnight by simply killing off those who burden the system the most. Call it Health Care Darwinism if you like. Survival of the fittest married with an evil plot. Let the most costly health care consumers die in a (planned?) pandemic, and suddenly your nation is pulled back from the brink of total financial collapse. The White House just revised its budget numbers this week, by the way. Government deficit spending for this year is up over 300 percent from last year, reaching an eye-popping, mind-boggling $1.9 trillion in new debt in just a single year! This runaway debt spending is, by any honest calculation, simply unsustainable. It will destroy America's future, leaving the nation penniless. To save America, something drastic must be done. Something as drastic as, say, killing off those who place the greatest cost burdens on the U.S. health care system (which represents roughly twenty percent of all U.S. government spending). So how do you really cut costs in America? Recognize that roughly one-fifth of U.S. government spending goes to support the "disease industry." And the vast majority of that money is spent taking care of chronically ill individuals who are typically obese and nutrient deficient. Releasing a bio-engineered influenza virus into the wild is a sure way to cut health care spending in the long run by killing those who place the highest burdens on the health care system. While it costs a fortune to take care of a chronically ill patient for two decades, it costs a mere pittance to see them die in a hospital emergency room while they succumb to H1N1 influenza. Swine flu, it might be said from a cold-hearted evil government point of view, is a cost-effective and quick way to slash health care spending without needing to take any responsibility for making such cuts yourself. Let the virus do the dirty work, killing off the most vulnerable in society and leaving more money behind for Big Government to get even bigger. Think governments couldn't do this? Then you don't know governments well enough. Now, in defense of the Obama administration, I very much doubt that President Barack Obama himself would be capable of masterminding such an evil plot to kill off the American people in a planned influenza pandemic. This is the kind of thing that usually takes place behind the scenes, where powerful men (far more powerful than Obama) meet in dark places to plan and plot the future of the world. If it is in their interests to see the population suffer through a pandemic, they will make sure one appears at the appropriate time. It could also be a joint arrangement between powerful corporations and Big Government. The corporate drug companies want to make money off the vaccine sales. The government wants to save money by killing off the top recipients of expensive health care services (who also wouldn't burden Medicare down the road, either). By working together, they can both get what they want. One pandemic serves both masters, and it's all funded by taxpayer dollars to boot! This is still a theory, not proof I can't prove that such a plot is actually under way, by the way. When discussing conspiracy theories, I'm always careful to point out that I have no specific proof that such a nefarious plot actually exists. There is, however, quite a lot of supporting circumstantial evidence that should raise the eyebrows of anyone paying attention. For example, there is this training brochure that recently surfaced (http://www.new-fields.com/ISFC/broc...) which describes procedures for "conducting morgue operations" and "activating fatality management operations." This same document also describes training points that cover: � Breakdown of public services � Medical supplies shortages � Unwillingness to follow government orders ... among other fascinating things. The conference this advertises was held August 19 - 20 in Washington D.C. by a company called New-Fields that holds, among other things, an "Iraq Aviation & Defense Summit" (http://www.new-fields.com/iraq_avia...) featuring senior U.S. military personnel and touting "one to one meetings with Iraqi officials." This isn't the first time a company with ties to the U.S. military has been found to be involved in the swine flu pandemic. My previous article on NaturalNews exposed the DynCorp / NIH patent link, revealing that a key influenza vaccine patent was jointly owned by the National Institutes of Health and a high-level private U.S. military contractor named DynCorp. You can read that article here: http://www.naturalnews.com/026779_s... So what does it all mean? Like a lot of things, it just depends what you choose to believe. I don't know if I believe the evil, nefarious conspiracy theory described as a possibility in this article. But neither do I trust my government (and I sure don't trust public health officials). So I'm doing exactly what I recommend everybody else do: Take charge of your own swine flu defenses by boosting your nutrition and sunlight exposure. Store some food, water and other basic preparedness supplies just in case. Be prepared to survive and thrive during the coming pandemic, regardless of what happens around you. Just because everybody else is planning on becoming a victim of circumstance doesn't mean you have to. With a little basic planning and some medical common sense, you can see yourself through this pandemic with ease. No sweat. Read my pandemic preparedness report (if you haven't already) to learn what top five anti-viral products I currently recommend for boosting your defenses against the swine flu: http://www.naturalnews.com/RR-FiveB... It's a report that could literally help save your life. http://www.naturalnews.com/026921_Vi...swine_flu.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-27-2009 12:12 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread from World Net Daily Feds go hog wild promoting swine-flu shots CDC spends $16 million on 'outreach' to convince Americans to get vaccine Posted: August 27, 2009 With plush swine-flu toys stocked on its gift-shop shelves, citizens earning $50 to attend forums on the virus and an additional $50 for those willing to take a vaccine, it's a $16 million swine-flu shot bonanza hosted by the federal Center for Disease Control. As part of a massive public relations and research campaign, the CDC has been hosting as many as 10 swine flu forums in nine U.S. cities before Labor Day � and it is shelling out as much as $50,000 for a program that pays citizens $50 when they preregister and attend. CDC pays forum attendees The city of Somerville, Mass., announced it has been selected as one of the 10 national sites. Its full-day "H1N1 vaccination strategy and information session" will take place this Saturday and is open to 100 residents who register. Each participant will also receive a continental breakfast, lunch and snacks. For those who don't speak English, the events provide interpretation in Spanish, Portuguese and Haitian Creole. According to an announcement, the sessions are designed to "help state and local health organizations develop a voluntary fall vaccination program for the H1N1 flu virus." Workshops will focus on the following questions: Should the CDC create a mass vaccination program against H1N1? * What are the particulars of a mass vaccination program? * How does the federal prioritization guidance (developed for all scenarios) apply in light of this real outbreak? If there are elements that don't apply, what's different and why? * Are there particular/unique strategies that this pandemic will require? The CDC is presenting a video on the flu at each of the public meetings. Forums have taken place in the following U.S. cities: Denver, Colo.; Lincoln, Neb.; Birmingham, Ala.; Vincennes, Ind.; Sacramento, Calif.; El Paso, Texas; New York, N.Y.; and Bucks County, Pa. Registration is still open for the Aug 29 Spokane, Wash., event. A Keystone Center bulletin for the event states, "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and state and local health partners are developing plans for the vaccination program. A public dilemma being faced is whether the U.S. should adopt a full-throttle, go slow, or intermediate intensity program." Shots frighten you? Be sure to get "SCARY MEDICINE: Exposing the dark side of vaccines" The CDC video presented at each of the events discusses influenza viruses and death tolls resulting from pandemics, including the "Spanish" influenza of 1918, "Asian" influenza of 1957 and the "Hong Kong" influenza of 1968. "Even after years of studying the virus, we cannot predict when a pandemic will occur or the impact a pandemic will have," said Dr. Beth Bell, the CDC's associate director for science at the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, in the video. "� The virus appears to have originated in Mexico sometime early in 2009. The virus spread very rapidly and caused widespread illness and deaths in Mexico. The virus has also spread rapidly in the United States. By June 19, infection with the new virus had been reported by all 50 states in the United States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands. The virus has subsequently spread throughout the world." Bell declares, "More than 43,000 laboratory-confirmed cases have been reported in the U.S." as of July 24 and "a million infections probably have already occurred." The total, she claims, is an "underestimate" of cases. The CDC is also hosting an "H1N1 Public Engagement WebDialogue" this month. One of the 2-day sessions began today and will continue through tomorrow. A second session will take place on Aug. 31 and Sept. 1. CDC sells swine-flu toy In addition to hosting forums to spread its H1N1 message, the CDC's headquarters in Atlanta is also selling a stuffed swine-flu toy in its gift shop, according to Atlanta's WXIA 11 News. The pink toy is intended to look like a microbe and also resembles a pig snout. GIANTmicrobes, the company that markets and sells the giant swine flu microbes for $7.95, also provides an information booklet about the H1N1 virus with the stuffed toy http://www.wnd.com/images/swineflutoy.jpg Several readers provided the following reactions to the Atlanta news story about the swine-flu toy at CDC headquarters: Your tax dollars at work ... health care reform? Next thing on the shelf will be fuzzy replicas of Tamaflu and Tylenol. Mommy! I want those for Christmas! What a bizarre sense of humor the CDC has. I'd really hate to see what the HIV toy looks like. Ugh. Bad taste. That's twisted, "Here's what is killing you, Billy. Isn't it cute?" 'Guinea pigs' earn cash for taking shot Meanwhile, ABC News reported researchers are in a race to test the H1N1 vaccines on at least 3,000 paid volunteers � half adults and half children � before flu season this year. In eight hospitals across the nation, volunteers are receiving a series of injections to determine how much vaccine and how many shots each person will be recommended to have. According to the ABC News report, the volunteers may "risk fever, allergic reactions and a remote chance of paralysis and even death." Dr. Lisa Jackson, principal researcher who's heading trials at Group Health Cooperative in Seattle, told MSNBC nearly 1,100 people flooded phone lines within two days after the request for volunteers. According to the report, each person will receive $50 for each of the three or four visits they make to the clinics. Sharon Frey, who is leading the government-funded testing at Saint Louis University, told the Associated Press scientists have been working late nights and weekends to organize studies and recruit volunteers. "Typically it takes a year to do this," Frey said. "I can tell you we're working at breakneck speed." One advertisement appearing on Craig's List offers to pay between $300 and $475 per volunteer for participation in swine flu clinical trials. Concerns about possible side effects However, in a study conducted at the University of Hong Kong, the British Medical Journal reported that less than half of 8,500 doctors and nurses in public hospitals will accept vaccination against the swine flu � even following increases in the World Health Organization's pandemic alert level. The study revealed, "The major barriers identified were fear of side effects and doubts about efficacy." Nonetheless, federal authorities are preparing to launch a nationwide campaign to convince Americans to get the swine flu vaccine, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. Government officials have expressed concern that public demand for immunization will not be high enough. "Many parents (in focus groups) expressed a lot of concerns about 2009 H1N1 vaccine. Those concerns were centered around the fact that it was new and it was being developed quickly," said Kris Sheedy, a communications director with the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. "There were comments such as 'this is new and I don't want my child to be a guinea pig.'" According to the San Francisco Chronicle, the government will spend "about $16 million on outreach to convince people of the need to get the swine flu vaccine." As WND reported, alarmist language over possible outbreaks of swine flu as well as a series of moves by the federal government are fueling fears federal agents will soon be forcing citizens to be vaccinated � prompting the Constitution Party to launch a pre-emptive defense against any such effort. The Constitution Party, a fast-growing alternative to the dominant Democratic and Republican parties in many elections, has come out strongly in opposition to any "mandatory injections" of "potential toxic (H1N1) 'swine flu' vaccine." Condemnation also has come from Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who cited the swine flu vaccination program in 1976. The effort killed more than two dozen people � not from the flu but from the vaccine. Paul said he was concerned that "nearly $8 billion will be spent to address a 'potential pandemic flu' which could result in mandatory vaccinations for no discernable reason other than to enrich the pharmaceutical companies that make the vaccine." http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=108035

Miss Kitty | 08-27-2009 05:50 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Vicksburg 15-Year-Old Dies In Clinic Waiting Room (Mississippi) Autopsy To Be Performed On Warren Central H.S. Student POSTED: 2:49 pm CDT August 27, 2009 UPDATED: 3:10 pm CDT August 27, 2009 Vicksburg, Miss. -- A 15-year-old Warren Central High School student died Thursday while waiting to see a physician, the Warren County coroner said. Wesley Husband, of Vicksburg, was in the waiting room of The Street Clinic, at 104 Mcauley Drive, at about 9:30 a.m. when he died, Coroner Doug Huskey said. Husband had been out of class since last Friday and had been suffering from flu-like systems, Huskey said. Husband had already seen a doctor once and was waiting Thursday to see a second doctor, Huskey said. Huskey said Husband's body has been sent to Jackson for an autopsy and results are expected late Thursday. Husband was a ninth grade student at Warren Central High School. This is the second death in a week for the Vicksburg Warren School District. On Sunday, 6-year-old Vshanti Washington died from bacterial meningitis. She was a first grade student at Dana Road Elementary School. We'll have more information on 16 WAPT News at 4, 5, 6, and 10 with live reports. http://www.wapt.com/news/20586322/detail.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-28-2009 04:43 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Emory Tests H1N1 Vaccine on Kids ATLANTA -- Seven-year-old Nina Strudwick and her sister Hannah have had flu vaccines before. This time, they're making history. At Emory University, the sisters have volunteered to serve as guinea pigs in the war against the swine flu. "I'm not particularly concerned about their safety in terms of whether the vaccine will harm them," said Amanda Strudwick, the girl's mother. "I'm probably more concerned about how much the shot hurts." The two sisters are among 600 children and young adults nationwide who are getting an early shot at the swine flu vaccine. The H1N1 vaccine will not be available to the public until mid-October. Tests on the vaccine started on older adults two-and-a-half weeks ago. "It may be even more important to do these studies in children," said Emory Dr. Mark Mulligan. "Children are affected more often and with more serious consequences." Blood work will help determine any potential side effects and just how many shots are needed. "We anticipate that most children will probably need two vaccines," said Emory Doctor Harry Keyserling. "Obviously we don't know the answer until we have the data from the studies." Some children under the age of ten may need an additional two vaccines to guard against the seasonal flu. Doctors admit, they're under a time crunch. They want as much information as possible before the vaccine is made available to the public in October, but the tests will likely go on until November. They're also getting information on clinical trials that started in Australia in July. "We think much of the important results, particularly from the adult studies, will be available at the time recommendations need to be made," said Keyserling. Nine-year-old Hannah Strudwick was clearly nervous about a needle to the arm, but enthusiastic about her contribution. "It's fun to help out with research," said Hannah. "I love to help out in science. Science is wonderful." Doctors say the tests on adults have had positive results, with none of the volunteers reporting no drastic side effects. http://www.11alive.com/news/national...34463&catid=13

The White Rabbit | 08-28-2009 05:47 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread France will not I repeat will not force the jab !!!!! I am so happy . Joy

Canadian-guerilla | 08-28-2009 11:26 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Brazil swine flu toll 577, highest in world 28/08/2009 Brasilia, Aug 28 (EFE) A total of 577 people have died from swine flu in Brazil, putting the South American nation at the top of the list of countries reporting fatalities from the Influenza A (H1N1) virus, the health ministry said. The mortality rate, however, is 0.29 percent in Brazil, well below the 1.08 percent rate in Argentina, the 0.75 percent rate in Chile and the 0.67 percent rate in Costa Rica, which have the highest levels in Latin America, health officials said Thursday. The toll from swine flu stood at 488 as of last Friday, the health ministry said, noting that the jump in the death toll was due to lab tests coming back positive for people who died between Aug 16 and Aug 22. Brazil now has the highest number of deaths from swine flu followed by the US with 522, Argentina with 439 and Mexico with 179, according to the World Health Organization. A total of 5,206 people have contracted swine flu and undergone treatment as of Wednesday, the health ministry said. The government has decided to appropriate 2.1 billion reais ($1.13 billion) for the purchase of vaccinations against swine flu, health officials said. The funds will allow health officials to purchase 73 million doses of the vaccine, which will be administered during the first half of 2010 to deal with an expected outbreak of the disease during the southern hemisphere winter. http://news.in.msn.com/international...mentid=3188219

Canadian-guerilla | 08-28-2009 01:46 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread C�mon health workers, get your swine flu shots Doctors and nurses who refuse could worsen fall outbreak, experts say Health care workers have been bumped to the front of the line for swine flu shots this fall, but experts say the biggest worry isn�t whether doctors, nurses and other professionals can get the vaccine � it�s whether they will. In a nation where less than half of all health care providers get annual flu shots, despite intense campaigns to convince them, infection control officials say the refusal to be immunized against the novel H1N1 influenza virus could increase spread of the disease and stress an already overwhelmed medical system. �There isn�t a doubt that it�s a severe challenge,� said Dr. William Schaffner, professor and chairman of the infectious diseases division at Vanderbilt University in Nashville. �It�s primarily a patient safety issue.� Research over the years has shown that health workers are a key source of seasonal flu, which causes about 200,000 hospitalizations and at least 36,000 deaths a year. Employees exposed constantly to sick people are prime targets for infection, and they easily can spread the virus before they become ill � and even when they don�t have symptoms themselves, Schaffner said. So the concern is higher for H1N1, which flu experts say could infect half the U.S. population this fall, with more than a third developing symptoms. Though most cases are expected to be mild, a White House scientific advisory panel report released this week estimated that between 30,000 and 90,000 people, mostly children and young adults, could die as a result of the new virus. �There will be some increased sense of urgency,� said Linda Greene, director of infection prevention and control at the Rochester General Health System in New York. �There�s something about a young person getting so ill with the flu.� A matter of professional pride Some workers, like Megan McGilvray, a 33-year-old advanced registered nurse practitioner in Seattle, understand the risks to themselves and others and make it a matter of professional pride to roll up their sleeves every year. �I�m someone who always gets my flu vaccine,� said McGilvray, who works in a pain clinic and at a local hospital's emergency department. Because she�s expecting a baby in November, she�s also eagerly awaiting availability of the swine flu vaccine. But many other doctors and nurses skip the annual shots � and there�s some evidence they may avoid the H1N1 vaccine as well. A study published this week at bmj.com, the online version of the British Medical Journal, reported that nearly half of health care workers surveyed in Hong Kong earlier this year said they would refuse the swine flu vaccine because of fears of side effects and doubts about efficacy. That study came on the heels of a United Kingdom poll that showed 30 percent of nurses would turn down the H1N1 shots, and researchers believe it�s a good indicator of health worker reluctance worldwide. The reasons health staffers in the U.S. and elsewhere give for not getting flu shots range widely, said Robert M. Pestronk, executive director of the National Association of County and City Health Officials. Some say they never get sick, so they don�t get it. Others believe that the vaccine won�t work. Others say they�ll stay home if they get sick. �And some say they don�t like needles,� Pestronk said. Comments on Nurse.com, an online chat group for professionals, bear that out. �I�m not rolling up my sleeve for anyone,� wrote one self-identified nurse. �It�s my opinion that flu vaccines are hit and miss at best, and by the time the virus mutates its way into the population, the original vaccine is kaput. Viruses are smarter than vaccines.� �I don�t believe in them,� wrote another. �I believe the body has the ability to heal itself.� Such attitudes frustrate officials like Cheryl Peterson, a registered nurse who is also director of practice and policy for the American Nurses Association in Silver Spring, Md. In public speeches and private conversations, she routinely tells nurses they�re neglecting their professional duty by avoiding vaccination. �I say, �If you haven�t gotten the seasonal vaccine, you should,�� she said. �And shame on you for not doing it.�� Flu shots mandatory in New York At some hospitals across the country, health workers must be vaccinated against flu as a condition of employment unless they have medical or cultural objections to the shots. This month, the New York State Health Department adopted an emergency order requiring tens of thousands of health workers to be immunized against seasonal flu and H1N1. Health workers are among priority groups government officials recommended to get the vaccine first. Others include pregnant women, children and young adults and adults with high-risk medical conditions. The ANA stops short of endorsing mandatory immunization, saying that education and awareness are the best tools, Peterson said. In some health settings, workers who aren�t vaccinated must wear face masks when caring for patients. In others, all workers wear tags indicating whether they�re vaccinated or not, so that it�s obvious who has opted out. Such actions can help create a climate where peer pressure contributes to higher vaccination rates among health workers. Greene, the New York infection prevention official, said rates are higher than 80 percent in some health care settings and the average is creeping up nationwide. In 2006, about 42 percent of health care workers received flu shots; by 2007 it rose to 44 percent, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The intense focus on H1N1 could bode well for health care worker immunization in general, said Greene, who is also a representative for the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology. �I�m really optimistic that we�re going to see increased rates,� said Greene. Critic calls vaccine campaign �an overreaction� But a prominent critic of vaccines, including the H1N1 vaccine, said that if the majority of health workers don�t want to be immunized, it should be a warning to the rest of the population. �We have to take seriously the concerns of health workers,� said Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder of the National Vaccine Information Center. �If they do not want to take it, it should give everyone pause." So far, the H1N1 outbreak has resulted in mostly mild, if widespread, illness, said Fisher, who is critical of the intensive push to immunize half the nation against swine flu. �In this country, I do think it�s an over-reaction to operate under a public health emergency when there�s no evidence that this is more virulent than seasonal flu,� she said. Drugmakers have been granted immunity from liability for the H1N1 vaccine, Fisher noted. That means consumers harmed by the vaccines may have little recourse for injuries or death in the future. In the long run, natural immunity conveyed by actually getting the virus may provide stronger, longer-lasting benefits, she added. It�s likely the reason that people older than 60 largely have been spared by H1N1, because they were exposed to similar strains years ago. Allowing infection could create immunity � or it could spawn severe illness and death, health officials contend. No one knows how the novel flu virus will evolve, or whether it may turn more dangerous, CDC officials say. In the face of such a gamble, and in the presence of clinical trials of a vaccine that appears so far to be safe, it�s up to health care workers to make sure they protect themselves and their patients as much as possible, Schaffner said. �It�s a professional and ethical responsibility of every health care worker to be vaccinated,� he said. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32586706...lth-swine_flu/ POLL Should health care providers be required to get swine flu shots? http://www.newsvine.com/_question/20...ine-flu-shots-

reviver | 08-28-2009 02:16 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread First off, I would like to extend a big thank you to Canadian-guerilla for all the hard work it takes to keep a thread like this going. And it looks like it is going viral. Half of GPs refuse swine flu vaccine over testing fears By DAILY MAIL REPORTER Last updated at 8:42 AM on 25th August 2009 Of the GPs surveyed, almost a third thought the swine flu vaccine had not been tested enough. Up to half of family doctors do not want to be vaccinated against swine flu. GPs will be first in the line for the jabs when they become available but many will decline, even though they will be offering the vaccine to their patients. More than two thirds of those who will turn the jab down believe it has not been tested enough. Most also believe the flu has turned out to be so mild in the vast majority of cases that the vaccine is not needed. Last night Government experts criticised GPs who decide not to have the jab, saying they will put vulnerable patients needlessly at risk. A week ago, a poll of nurses showed that a third would turn down the opportunity of being vaccinated against swine flu. News that medics are unconvinced by the need for a vaccine will cause grave concern to patients who will be invited for the jab over the next few months. A poll of doctors for Pulse magazine found that 49 per cent would reject the vaccine with 9 per cent undecided. A separate survey for GP magazine found that 29 per cent would definitely opt out of having the jab, while a further 29 per cent were unsure. Just 41 per cent said they would definitely have the jab. Of those who said they did not want to jab, 71 per cent said it was because of safety concerns. Richard Hoey, editor of Pulse, said: 'The medical profession has yet to be convinced by the Government's whole approach to swine flu, with most GPs now feeling that the Department of Health overreacted in its policy on blanket use of Tamiflu. 'Inevitably, that has coloured feelings about the planned immunisation campaign. 'The view among many doctors is that the Government hasn't yet made its case for why such a huge vaccination programme needs to be rushed in for what seems to be an unusually mild illness.' But Professor David Salisbury, the Department of Health's director of immunisation, told GP magazine that frontline health workers had a duty to themselves regarding vaccination. 'They have a duty to their patients not to infect their patients and they have a duty to their families,' he said. The Pulse survey questioned 15 doctors, while GP spoke to 216. The poll raised further questions over the Government's planned mass vaccination programme. The jab, currently being processed, will be fast tracked and will not be fully tested before it is administered to patients. There are also concerns the jab can spark cases of Guillain Barre Syndrome, which can lead to paralysis and even death. A mass swine flu vaccination programme in the U.S. in 1976 caused far more deaths than the disease it was designed to combat, and the Health Protection Agency watchdog has asked doctors to look out for cases of GBS when the vaccinations begin. Earlier this month, Chief Medical Officer Sir Liam Donaldson announced that the jab will be given to people in high-risk groups, such as those with asthma or diabetes, as well as health workers such as GPs and nurses. Some 14million people will be covered by the first wave of the vaccination programme, with everyone else following over the next few months. The BMA is still negotiating with doctors over how they should be paid to give out the jabs. The union is demanding �7 for every injection. A spokesman for the BMA said: 'The new vaccine has been thoroughly tested and we believe it should provide good protection against swine flu. 'It is important that doctors are among the first to be offered the vaccine as it will not only protect them but the patients they care for. However, doctors like all individuals have the right to decide whether they are vaccinated or not.' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ing-fears.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-28-2009 02:38 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread WHO warns of severe form of swine flu Friday, August 28, 2009 WASHINGTON - Doctors are reporting a severe form of swine flu that goes straight to the lungs, causing severe illness in otherwise healthy young people and requiring expensive hospital treatment, the World Health Organization said on Friday. Some countries are reporting that as many as 15 per cent of patients infected with the new H1N1 pandemic virus need hospital care, further straining already overburdened health care systems, WHO said in an update on the pandemic. "During the winter season in the southern hemisphere, several countries have viewed the need for intensive care as the greatest burden on health services," it said. "Preparedness measures need to anticipate this increased demand on intensive care units, which could be overwhelmed by a sudden surge in the number of severe cases." Earlier, WHO reported that H1N1 had reached epidemic levels in Japan, signaling an early start to what may be a long influenza season this year, and that it was also worsening in tropical regions. "Perhaps most significantly, clinicians from around the world are reporting a very severe form of disease, also in young and otherwise healthy people, which is rarely seen during seasonal influenza infections," WHO said. "In these patients, the virus directly infects the lung, causing severe respiratory failure. Saving these lives depends on highly specialized and demanding care in intensive care units, usually with long and costly stays." Minority groups and indigenous populations may also have a higher risk of being severely ill with H1N1. "In some studies, the risk in these groups is four to five times higher than in the general population," WHO said. "Although the reasons are not fully understood, possible explanations include lower standards of living and poor overall health status, including a high prevalence of conditions such as asthma, diabetes and hypertension." WHO said it was advising countries in the Northern Hemisphere to prepare for a second wave of pandemic spread. "Countries with tropical climates, where the pandemic virus arrived later than elsewhere, also need to prepare for an increasing number of cases," it said. Every year, seasonal flu infects between 5 per cent and 20 per cent of a given population and kills between 250,000 and 500,000 people globally. Because hardly anyone has immunity to the new H1N1 virus, experts believe it will infect far more people than usual, as much as a third of the population. It also disproportionately affects younger people, unlike seasonal flu which mainly burdens the elderly, and thus may cause more severe illness and deaths among young adults and children than seasonal flu does. "Data continue to show that certain medical conditions increase the risk of severe and fatal illness. These include respiratory disease, notably asthma, cardiovascular disease, diabetes and immunosuppression," WHO said. http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1939963

Canadian-guerilla | 08-28-2009 02:50 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Suspected H1N1 Cases Explode At CU Suspected Cases Jump From 8 To 60 In Six Days POSTED: 10:23 pm MDT August 27, 2009 UPDATED: 11:27 pm MDT August 27, 2009 BOULDER, Colo. -- Suspected cases of the H1N1 virus are spreading like wildfire on the University of Colorado, Boulder campus. The number of suspected cases has jumped more than seven times in just six days, from eight on Friday, Aug. 21, to an estimated 60. �I think we are all learning how quickly it spreads,� said CU spokesman Bronson Hilliard. Hilliard said there may be many more sick students who have not reported their illness to the University health center. The students have tested positive for Influenza A, of which the H1N1 virus is a strain. The state of Colorado only tests patients for H1N1 if they have been hospitalized. None of the infected students at CU have been hospitalized but university officials said there is a 90 percent likelihood that the students do, in fact, have H1N1. �This virus is out there,� Hilliard said. �It doesn�t look like it�s really going to be contained too well, and what we�ve got to do is deal with the reality of having a lot of sick people.� CU is not the only campus dealing with new cases, but it is reporting the most cases. Colorado State has confirmed two cases of the virus. The Auraria campus has not confirmed any, but suspects that there are students who have contracted the virus and have not reported it. The University of Denver has no confirmed cases, but school does not start there until next week. The Centers for Disease Control has not recommended quarantines on college campuses, but some schools nationwide have started restricting sick students to empty dorms to cut down on infection rates. Hilliard said CU is at dorm capacity and simply does not have the space to isolate students. University officials considered sending infected students to hotels, but with the big CSU game approaching, hotels are expected to be full. Hilliard said isolating the students to hotels would be impractical anyway, because healthy students still run the risk of contracting the virus off-campus. Instead the university is simply keeping lines of communication open with students and parents, encouraging sanitation, adding extra nurses to its health center, and urging students with symptoms to stay home. �We�re messaging to them very strongly that if they�re sick they need to stay in their residence hall rooms until one day after their fever is over,� said Hilliard. But some believe sick students are bucking the rules and going to class anyway, spreading the virus even further. Danielle Royer was homebound for 10 days with a suspected case of the virus. She said students with similar symptoms to hers are showing up in class every day. �Everybody�s coughing [in class],� said Royer. �So people are obviously still going even though they�re starting to get sick or are sick. It�s kind of inevitable.� Hilliard said it is virtually impossible for the university to monitor students to ensure that they stay out of class. �Unless we get some kind of emergency order from the state or federal government, there really isn�t,� he said. �People are really free to do what they want to do.� Hilliard acknowledged that could result in a worst case scenario situation for the university: an infection rate of 25 percent, and a 40 percent absence rate among staff. But Hilliard said the university has a plan to handle such a situation. School would remain open, but staff would be allowed to work from home. Healthy employees from other departments would fill in for staff who were unable to work from home. �There�s no use in being nervous,� said Hilliard. �We�ve got a plan. We�re all in this together. We think we can get through a situation where we have lots of people sick for four or five days.� http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...50/detail.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-28-2009 02:54 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swine flu in turkeys may spread Thursday 27th August, 2009 ROME (AP) � The United Nations warned Thursday that the swine flu recently detected in turkeys in Chile may spread to other poultry. It urged greater monitoring worldwide to prevent the virus from combining with the deadlier H5N1 strain of bird flu. The U.N.�s Food and Agriculture Organization said developing countries in particular need better ways to respond in case a combination of the two flu viruses emerges. Experts think it would be unlikely for swine flu to swap genes with H5N1 bird flu but, since flu viruses are unpredictable, they cannot rule out the possibility. The UN said it would be greatly concerned if swine flu were to combine with bird flu, which isn�t as contagious but is far more deadly. Last week, Chile announced swine flu had jumped to turkeys, raising new concerns about the ability of the virus to infect other species. That gives swine flu more opportunities to mutate into a more dangerous form. Officials stressed the birds had suffered only mild symptoms and were being allowed to recover rather than be culled. The Food and Agriculture Organization warned swine flu could spread to other poultry farms around the world. The organization�s interim chief veterinary officer, Juan Lubroth, noted that Chile at present doesn�t have H5N1 bird flu. "In Southeast Asia, where there is a lot of the virus circulating in poultry, the introduction of H1N1 (swine flu) in these populations would be of greater concern." The organization is calling for better monitoring of animals and better hygienic practices at farms to keep infected animals from farm workers and vice versa. Chile was the fourth country to report a spillover of swine flu from farm workers showing flulike symptoms to animals, following Canada, Argentina and Australia, the Food and Agriculture Organization said. The organization stressed that the discovery of swine flu in turkeys doesn�t pose an immediate threat to humans and that turkey meat can still be sold commercially following proper inspections. http://www.caycompass.com/cgi-bin/CF...gi?ID=10385027

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ColdWater | 08-28-2009 05:30 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread This site tracks swine flu news stories across the world. The deaths look like they're really ramping up in India. http://flutracker.rhizalabs.com/ A thread with good info http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticke...forum=Pandemic Quote:
WHO Warns Of Severe Form Of Swine Flu By REUTERS Published: August 28, 2009 Filed at 12:57 p.m. ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Doctors are reporting a severe form of swine flu that goes straight to the lungs, causing severe illness in otherwise healthy young people and requiring expensive hospital treatment, the World Health Organisation said on Friday. Some countries are reporting that as many as 15 percent of patients infected with the new H1N1 pandemic virus need hospital care, further straining already overburdened healthcare systems, WHO said in an update on the pandemic. "During the winter season in the southern hemisphere, several countries have viewed the need for intensive care as the greatest burden on health services," it said. "Preparedness measures need to anticipate this increased demand on intensive care units, which could be overwhelmed by a sudden surge in the number of severe cases." Earlier, WHO reported that H1N1 had reached epidemic levels in Japan, signalling an early start to what may be a long influenza season this year, and that it was also worsening in tropical regions. "Perhaps most significantly, clinicians from around the world are reporting a very severe form of disease, also in young and otherwise healthy people, which is rarely seen during seasonal influenza infections," WHO said. "In these patients, the virus directly infects the lung, causing severe respiratory failure. Saving these lives depends on highly specialized and demanding care in intensive care units, usually with long and costly stays."
Full story http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/...emic.html?_r=2

GoldJag | 08-28-2009 07:56 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread The swine flu vaccine will be available mid October in the US. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/rr/rr5810.pdf

AndreaGail | 08-28-2009 08:49 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread the thing thats pissing me off is that they are using every person that gets a cold as a suspected case of swine flu to ramp up the numbers for this bs its worrying me as i work in food service at school and when i read this i envisioned a provision being passed stating that since we are in close proximity to food its mandatory we get the shot to work or some bullsh!t like that Quote:
ATLANTA - Colleges across the country are seeing spikes in the number of students with suspected cases of swine flu as dorms fill up and classes begin for the fall semester. While the increases were expected and colleges say they were ready for the coughing, sneezing and feverish students before move-in day, health experts say hundreds more could get sick as the virus winds its way through college campuses. At Georgia Tech in Atlanta, classes are in full swing for the university's 20,000 students, and so is the highly contagious H1N1 virus, commonly known as swine flu. The university has had 150 suspected cases of the virus in the two weeks since students moved back to campus. Georgia Tech freshman Elise Woodall, 18, was met with a message scrawled on the bathroom mirror of her dorm when she moved in two weeks ago: "Wash your hands. Swine is not fine." "Nobody wants to get sick because missing classes is a pain," said Woodall, a biomedical engineering major from Marietta. At the University of Kansas, almost 200 students have reported having flu-like symptoms in the last week or so, spokesman Todd Cohen said. University of Tennessee administrators are estimating about 100 suspected swine flu cases on campus, spokesman Jay Mayfield said. The University of Alabama had more than 50 cases of flu reported on the first day of classes last week. At Texas Christian University, 10 students were diagnosed with swine flu on the first day of class Monday. "We're finding out for the first time in a long time how quickly a contagious disease can move," said Don Mills, vice chancellor for student affairs at Texas Christian. To get ready for the expected outbreak, colleges stocked up on hand sanitizing gel and Tamiflu - an anti-viral pill - while others have designated empty dorms where sick students can be isolated. Some campuses have developed "flu kits" with items like tissues, thermometers and box lunches for students in isolation. Students have been getting regular e-mails from administrators reminding them to wash their hands frequently, stay away from sick friends and isolate themselves if they develop flu-like symptoms. "We all knew this was going to happen," said Liz Rachun, spokeswoman for the University of Georgia health clinic, which has seen nearly 50 suspected swine flu cases in the last two weeks. "We stocked up on masks, and we have doctors in place." Health experts predicted swine flu cases would spike once the school year began and that colleges and elementary and secondary schools would see an increase in cases. Most campuses won't know for certain how many confirmed swine flu cases they have this year, because many states are no longer routinely running tests on every suspected case. Still, many administrators say they're treating every case as if it's swine flu to help stem the spread of the disease. Health officials say the concern is that swine flu is very contagious and spreads quickly once it is introduced to a population. That means hundreds more could get sick in the next few weeks. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta recommends students with flu symptoms - fever, cough, sneezing, chills, aches, sometimes diarrhea or vomiting - stay home from class. "The mere fact you have lots of people in close proximity with each other results in the virus being transmitted from person to person," said CDC spokesman Tom Skinner. "I don't think we're surprised by the fact influenza is returning to these campuses. What is concerning to us is people becoming complacent about this and not taking the steps we know can protect them."
http://www.seattlepi.com/health/1500...tml?source=rss

PatColo | 08-28-2009 09:21 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread free mp3s at rense, NEW - August 20 MP3 - Listen FREE Dr. Henry Niman's Special Report With Jeff Click Here & FREE MP3 Download Dr. Rima Laibow, MD Swine Flu Vaccine Danger! This article from Burgermeister's TheFluSite.com has some intro then points to a recent infowars.com article reviewing much of the historic evidence that a depopulation agenda exists: The Move to Depopulate the Planet

reviver | 08-28-2009 10:42 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Following is an interview with Dr. Stephen Lanka from this thread. http://goldismoney.info/forums/showt...ht=vaccination An interview with Dr. Stephan Lanka from the German journal _Factuell_ Quote:
�Academic medicine has been and is the most important pillar of support of all dictatorships and governments which do not want to submit to written law, to constitutions, to human rights, that is, to the democratically legitimized social contract.� - Virologist Dr. Stephan Lanka � Interview 10.27.2005
Is there a bird flu pandemic? This German Virologist says no, and does so in detail. He makes some points that I�m sure will seem startling, but there�s a wonderfully no-nonsense, common-sense approach to his thinking (�Think for yourself, look into it yourself�), and a refreshing lack of fear-mongering. We who have been bombarded with the threat of imminent doom from the health authorities will notice the important difference here: Lanka isn�t trying to hypnotize you into believing that you have no control over your health, biology or being. He�s asking that we all think critically and thoughtfully for a change. Those wishing to provide analysis or criticism are invited to bring their comments, politely. Bring your studies and be prepared to analyze methodology to the associated blog. - Thanks to Christopher Ray of the news journal Factuell for his comprehensive and excellent interview - Thanks to Rolf Martens of rolfmartens.com for his original english translation. - I�ve made a number of additional changes for colloquial english in the version presented here. � L.S. �No Panic � Dr. Stephan Lanka on Bird Flu, Vaccines, AIDS and the Corruption of Medicine� From FACTuell October 27, 2005 Interview by Christopher Ray 27.10.2005 DR LANKA, are we in Germany threatened by the bird flu? Only indirectly. Next year there will many fewer babies in Germany. According to the media, the storks will all be snatched away by the bird flu. We�ll have to get used to this. DO YOU MEAN THAT SERIOUSLY? Just as seriously as there being any danger for us from the purported bird flu virus H5N1. The danger or the disaster lies somewhere else entirely. WHERE, IN YOUR OPINION, does the danger or the disaster lie? We have allowed ourselves to lose the habit of using our reason. That is the actual danger or the disaster. The politicians and the media are taking it upon themselves to delude us into believing everything, for instance, delude us into believing that migratory birds in Asia have been infected with an extremely dangerous, deadly virus. These mortally diseased birds then keep flying for weeks on end. They fly thousands of kilometres, and then in Romania, in Turkey, Greece and elsewhere infect hens, geese or other poultry, with which they have had no contact, and which within a very short time get diseased and die. But the migratory birds do not get diseased and do not die, but keep on flying, for weeks on end, thousands of kilometres. Anyone who believes this will also believe that babies are brought by the stork. In fact the larger part of people in Germany do believe in a danger from bird flu, don�t they. IS THERE, THEN, no bird flu at all? Since the late 19th century, diseases of poultry in mass animal farming have been observed: Bluecolouring of the crest, decrease in egglaying performance, sagging of the feathers, and sometimes these animals die too. These diseases were called bird pest. In present-day mass poultry farming, in particular when hens are being raised in cages, many animals die each day as a result of species-alien animal [factory] farming. After a time, these consequences of mass animal farming were no longer called bird pest, but bird flu. So for decades, we have been told that a transferable virus is the cause of this, in order to deflect from the actual causes. THEN THOSE 100 MILLION hens which appear to have died from bird flu in reality have died from stress or and/or from nourishment deficiency and poisoning? No! If one hen lies fewer eggs or gets a blue crest and that hen is tested H5N1-positive too, then all the other hens are gassed. That is how there got to be those 100 million apparently H5N1-killed hens. If you look at this more closely, then you see behind it a several-decades-long strategy: In the West, the big enterprises are cleaning up on this, because those animals that died �from the contagious disease� are being compensated for at the expense of the general public, at the highest market price, while in Asia and everywhere where poultry are being farmed successfully, the poultry market there is being destroyed maliciously and on purpose under the leadership of the UN organization FAO [United Nation�s Food and Agriculture Organization] All big Western poultry farming enterprises, therefore, are keeping their mouths shut and by means of their veterinaries are seeing to it that, if the market price for poultry sinks, they get an infectious disease diagnosed, so that they can get their animals sold at a higher price than would be possible with normal farming, �taken care of� at the governmentally guaranteed maximum price, and all the animals in one single batch too. To bring it to the common denominator: It�s modern subvention scamming combined with paralyzing scaremongering, which as a secondary effect guarantees that nobody asks for proof. WHAT DID THOSE 61 PERSONS DIE of who were demonstrated to have H5N1? There is only very little in the way of publicly available reports, describing what were the symptoms and how these persons were then treated. These cases clearly point in one direction: Persons with symptoms of a cold, who then had the bad luck to fall into the hands of H5N1 hunters, were killed with enormous amounts of chemotherapy [chemical pharmaceuticals] supposed to restrain the phantom virus. Isolated in plastic tents, surrounded by madmen in space suits, they died, in panicky fear, from multiple organ failures. DOES THIS BIRD FLU VIRUS then not exist at all? In humans, in the blood or in other bodily fluids, in an animal or in a plant there never have been seen or demonstrated structures which you could characterize as bird flu viruses or flu viruses or any other supposedly disease-causing virus. The causes of those diseases which are being maintained to be caused by a virus, also those in animals, which can arise quickly and in individuals either one after the other or several at the same time, are known since a long time back. However much you stretch things in biology, there is simply no place for viruses as the causative agents of diseases. Only if I ignore the findings of Dr Hamer�s New Medicine , according to which shock events are the cause of many diseases, and the findings of chemistry on the effects of poisonings and deficiencies, and then if I ignore the findings of physics about the effects of radiation, then there is a place for imaginings such as disease-causing viruses. WHY THEN are disease-causing viruses still being maintained to exist? The academic medicine protagonists/practitioners need the paralyzing, stupifying and destructive fear of disease-causing phantom viruses as a central basis for their existence: Firstly, in order to harm many people with vaccinations, in order to build up for themselves a clientele of chronically ill and ailing objects who will put up with anything being done to them. Secondly, in order not to have to admit that they are failing totally in their treatment of chronic illnesses and have killed and are killing more people than all wars so far have made possible. Every practitioner of academic medicine is conscious of this, but only very few dare to speak about it. Therefore it�s no wonder either that among professional groups, it is that of the academic medicine practitioners that has the highest suicide rate, far surpassing other professional groups. Thirdly, the academic medicine practitioners need the paralyzing and stupifying fear of diabolical viruses, in order to conceal their historical origin as an oppression and killing instrument of the Vatican�s when it was struggling to rise in the world, having developed out of the usurping West Roman army. Academic medicine has been and is the most important pillar of support of all dictatorships and governments which do not want to submit to written law, to constitutions, to human rights, that is, to the democratically legitimized social contract. This explains too why academic medicine really can and is allowed to do anything that pleases it, and in this is subjected to no control whatsoever. If we do not overcome this, we will all perish by this academic medicine. AREN�T YOU EXAGGERATING a little here? Unfortunately, no! Anyone who opens his eyes will see this in that way. Ivan Illich warned about this already in 1975 in his analysis �Die Enteignung der Gesundheit� (�The Expropriation of Health�). This book still exists today, under the title: Die Nemesis der Medizin (Medical Nemesis). Goethe described the state of academic medicine in Faust right to the point. He has the physician Dr Faustus admit: Quote:
�Hier war die Arznei, die Patienten starben und niemand fragte, wer genas, so haben wir mit h�llischen Latwergen, in diesen T�lern, diesen Bergen weit schlimmer als die Pest getobt, ich selbst habe das Gift an Tausende gegeben, sie welkten hin, ich muss erleben, dass man die frechen M�rder lobt.� �Here was the medicine, the patients died and nobody asked who got better, thus we have ravaged with infernal electuaries1, much worse than the disease in these valleys, these mountains, I myself have given the poison to thousands, they withered away, but the impudent murderers are being praised.�
1 Electuary � A drug mixed with sugar and water or honey into a pasty mass suitable for oral administration. Goethe calls practitioners of academic medicine who are giving people the electuaries, that is, the poisonous substances, unabashed murderers, who still today are being praised. Here I can and also must refer to our publications, because we have, as the first to do so, put the central revealing question to modern medicine and have documented and commented on the resulting confessions. At www.klein-klein-aktion.de and www.klein-klein-verlag.de you will find all the relevant information on this. WHY HAVE YOU SPECIFICALLY hit on this �scam of the century�? I studied molecular biology. In the course of my studies I demonstrated the existence of the first virus in the sea, in a sea alga. This proof was first published in a scientific publication in 1990, in accordance with the standard of the natural sciences. The virus whose existence I demonstrated reproduces itself in the alga, can leave it and reproduce itself again in other algae of this kind, without having any negative effects, and this virus stands in no connection whatsoever with any disease. For instance in one litre of sea water, there are over 100 million viruses of various kinds very different from each other. Fortunately, the health authorities and the doctors have not become aware of this, otherwise there since long would have been a law permitting sea bathing only for persons attired in total body condoms. Biological structures which would do anything negative however have never been seen. The basis of biological life is togetherness, is symbiosis, and in this there is no place for war and destruction. War and destruction in biological life is something purported by sick and criminal brains. In the course of my studies, I and others have not been able to find proof of the existence of disease-causing viruses anywhere. Later we have discoursed on this publicly and have called on people not to believe us either but to check out themselves whether or not there are disease-causing viruses. Out of this there arose the klein-klein action [anti-vaccine action group], which since 5 years back has been asking the health authorities for proofs and which finally has gotten admission of and certainty of the fact that there is no proof of disease-causing viruses and no proof of a benefit of vaccination. In order to enable us to make these results publicly known without falsification of them, we founded the klein-klein-verlag (publishing house) three years ago. WHAT VIRUSES ARE THERE at all, then, and what are they doing? Structures which you can characterize as viruses exist in many species of bacteria and in simple life forms, similar to bacteria. They are elements of different cells living together in a common cell type that remains independent. This is called a symbiosis � an endosymbiosis � which has arisen in the course of the process of different cell types and structures combining, an endosymbiosis that has brought forth the present cell type, the type of cells which humans, animals and plants are made of. Like the mitochondria, the bacteria in all our cells that breathe our oxygen [and produce our energy], and the chloroplasts, the bacteria in all plants, which produce oxygen, the viruses are parts � components of cells. This is very important: Viruses are component parts of very simple organisms, for instance of the confervacae type of algae, a particular species of a one-celled chlorella alga and of very many bacteria. As existing there, these viral component parts are called phages. In complex organisms however, in particular in humans, or in animals or plants, such structures which you might call viruses have never been seen. The bacteria in our cells, the mitochondria, or the bacteria in every plant, the chloroplasts, which cannot leave the common cell, since they are dependent on the metabolism of the cell. But viruses can leave the cell, since they are not carrying out any survival-vital tasks within the cell. Viruses, thus, are component parts of the cell which have turned their entire metabolism over to the common cell and therefore can leave the cell. Outside the common cell, they are helping other cells, in that they are transferring construction and energy substances. Any other function of theirs has never been observed. Those actual viruses which have been scientifically demonstrated to exist, are performing in the very complex processes of interactions of different cells, a helping, a supporting and in no case a destructive role. Also in the case of diseases, neither in the diseased organism nor in a bodily fluid has any structure which you could characterize as a virus ever been seen or isolated2. The proposition that there is any illness-causing virus whatsoever is a transparent swindle, a fatal lie with dramatic consequences. YOU ARE NOT SAYING that the dangerous AIDS virus is only a virtual one, are you? Not only I am maintaining that the so-called AIDS virus �HIV� has never been scientifically demonstrated to exist, but only is being maintained to exist because of a purported consensus. The Bundesgesundheitsministerin, the Minister for Public Health in Germany, Ulla Schmidt, wrote on 05.01.2004 to the Member of Parliament (Bundestagsabgeordneten) Rudolf Kraus: �Of course the Human Immunodeficiency Virus is considered � in international scientific consensus � to be scientifically demonstrated to exist.� Today, after many years, citizens have time and again asked the health authorities here in Germany for scientific proof of the existence of the purported illness-causing viruses, the health authorities are no longer maintaining that any virus whatsoever purportedly causing a disease has been directly proved to exist. In an ongoing process of petitioning to the Bundestag (German parliament), the Ministry of Public Health passed the bucket of responsibility on such matters on to the Ministry of Research. The Ministry of Research now is taking up the absurd standpoint that the constitutionally guaranteed freedom of science prohibits the state from checking on that which science maintains. BUT THAT�S ABSURD. That would mean that the state is surrendering us, helpless and protectionless, into the hands of an uncontrolled science which can do and cause to be done anything it wants. Are you really of the opinion that the state is exposing us in such a way? I do not have an opinion here. Concerning these matters, I can only see and point to the facts. We are experiencing in the present bird flu panic that the state, contrary to its knowledge, in Germany is surrendering the population into the hands of some persons or other who are camouflaging themselves as scientists. An enforced chemotherapy is being planned, and next spring the entire German population is to be forcibly vaccinated twice against the purported bird flu phantom. But neither has ever a bird flu virus been demonstrated to exist, nor has the existence of any virus whatsoever that would have anything to do with anybody�s falling ill been demonstrated. Such viruses do not exist. Precisely in the same manner as the minister admitted, concerning the purported AIDS virus, they are being maintained to exist because of an international scientific consensus. BUT THE BIRD FLU VIRUS H5N1, dangerous to humans, was quite recently very precisely demonstrated to exist in an English laboratory! If a virus coming directly from a body or a bodily fluid, for instance from birds, has been proved to exist, then any average scientist can check out, in any typical laboratory, within a day, whether this virus is present in the dead animal. This has never occurred. On the contrary, what is being used to prove viral existence are indirect test methods which tell absolutely nothing. For instance, it�s being maintained that there are antibodies which attach to the body of the purported virus and only to that, so when there�s a reaction between a body and an antibody, the existence of the purported virus has been demonstrated. In reality, those purported antibodies are soluble blood albumins, which play a central role in the structural integrity [�making tight�] of cells which are growing and dividing and in the healing of wounds. These blood albumins, also called globulins, in a test-tube containing corresponding concentrations of acids and bases, minerals and solvents, will combine arbitrarily with other albumins. Thus you can make any sample taken from an animal or a person test arbitrarily positive or negative. This must be quite clearly said too � It�s complete and criminal wilfulness. It is also maintained that, by means of a biochemical multiplication technique called polymerase chain reaction (PCR), the so-called gene substance of the virus can be multiplied and thus be proved to exist � but this is a swindle. Firstly, nowhere does there exist a gene substance of a disease-causing virus, to which one might compare the artificially multiplied particles of gene substance. Secondly, only such parts of gene substances get multiplied which already existed beforehand in those fluids which are being used for indirectly demonstrating the existence of the purported virus. And it�s quite simple: A thousand pieces of indirect proof, corn circles for instance, do not make an UFO either. You don�t even have to know English, so as to read those publications to which the virus swindlers are referring, in order to see for yourself that nowhere in them does a virus appear: If you ask those scientists for proof of the existence of the purported viruses, for instance that of H5N1, you will get only evasions in return and never a concrete answer. On TV we have heard time and again that the investigations were carried out in an English laboratory. The name of that English laboratory the public has not been told. It�s the reference laboratory of the EU for bird flu, in Weybridge. I have asked the scientists several times for the pieces of proof of the existence of the H5N1 virus. They have replied to me only once, and after that never again, and wrote that they did not understand my question. note � German journalist Torsten Engelbrecht wrote the German health authorities, asking the same question � the final response was �There is no scientific forecasting method that could support the possibility that an influenza virus can induce a new pandemic at this time 4.� I also have written several times to the World Health Organization and in particular to the bird flu pandemic co-ordinator, the German Klaus St�hr, and asked for proof of the existence of the bird flu virus. Neither the WHO nor Klaus St�hr has responded. BUT WHAT DOES THIS H5N1, which makes the whole world tremble, mean? The �H� in H5N1 stands for haemaglutinin, the �N� stands for neuraminidase. The pseudo-virologists are maintaining that in the protective coat of influenza viruses, there are albumins of the type haemaglutinin and albumins of the type of the enzyme neuraminidase. These are the most diverse substances in biochemistry that are being referred to � not only albumins, but haemaglutinin, which cause the red blood-corpuscles to lump together with each other. The pseudo-virologists have jointly agreed that in the protective coat of influenza viruses there supposedly are 15 different kinds of albumins having the property of a haemaglutinin. The �5� here stands for Type Five of a purported albumin, whose existence, again, is also only being demonstrated indirectly. Now in order to prove the existence of an influenza virus, in the laboratory red blood-corpuscles are mixed with samples in which there supposedly is the purported virus. If the red blood-corpuscles lump together, then it is maintained that a haemaglutinin in an influenza virus must be the cause of this, without there ever having been a virus isolated � let alone a virus being seen in such a sample or from/in such a mixture. From the way in which the lumping together occurs the pseudo-virologists then conclude, precisely in the manner of the Oracles in the cartoon Asterix and Obelix, which type of haemaglutinin, supposedly, has been found. For this, these scientists have available a multitude of test procedures. These tests are constructed so that the precisely the type of haemaglutinin the �testing� scientist has assumed in advance would be present, becomes indicated. This is also precisely what is done with the neuraminidase enzyme, which is maintained to be a component part of the protecting hood of influenza viruses. Here, 9 different types are being maintained by the pseudovirologists to exist. In reality the neuraminidase is an enzyme which, by separating parts of an amino sugar called neuramin acid, regulates the surface tension which is decisive for metabolism. Analogous to the �viral� haemaglutinin there are a multitude of corrupt test procedures which �demonstrate� the result � that is, �the existence of� precisely that type of neuraminidase that the overseeing virologist already had assumed in advance. So it is also no wonder that that turkey cock belonging to the 73 year-old farmer Dimitris Kominaris of the East Aegean island Inousses, which ostensibly died of H5N1, has vanished without a trace. Or that at the reference laboratory in question no sample from Greece has arrived either. Or that the clairvoyant media have reported that a first sample has confirmed the suspicion. For demonstrating the existence of H5N1, really no sample is necessary either, since, as is the case with all purported contagious diseases, it is a question of a planned action, intended for political reasons to induce fear. IN THE MEDIA, PHOTOS of bird flu viruses and influenza viruses constantly are being shown. Some of these photos show round formations. Are those not viruses? No! Firstly, those round formations which supposedly are influenza viruses are, as every molecular biologist can see, artificially-produced particles consisting of fats and albumins. The layman can check on this by asking for a scientific publication in which these pictures are reproduced and described and the composition of the formations shown is documented. Such a publication does not exist. Secondly, those pictures which supposedly show bird flu viruses in reality show, as every biologist can make out without any doubt, quite normal component parts of cells, or complete cells which happen to be in the process of exporting or importing cellular and metabolic component parts. Again, the layman can check on this very precisely, by asking for those publications on which those photos are based and from which they originate: He will never receive such publications. The scaremongerers� craft guild is loath to expose its trade basis, the swindles with laboratory and animal experiments. If you ask the picture agencies or a news agency such as the DPA [German (Deutsch) Press Agency] where they�re getting these photos of theirs from, they will refer you to the American contagious-disease authority the CDC of the Pentagon. It is from the CDC that the only photo of the purported H5N1 originates. This photo shows the length section cut and also the cross section cut of tubes in cells which have been caused to die in a test-tube. These small tubes in the professional language are called microtubuli, and serve the transport and communication in the cell and in the process of cell division. IT HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED HOWEVER THAT H5N1 kills hen embryos and can be cultivated in eggs. Is it not so? These experiments have been used for over 100 years to �prove� the existence of several �viruses� quite different from each other, for instance also that of the purported smallpox virus. In these experiments, extracts are injected through the eggshell into the embryo. Depending on how much is injected and where in the embryo the supposedly �virus-infected� extract is injected, the embryo dies faster or more slowly. It would die from such injections in precisely the same manner if the extracts were sterilized in advance. This killing then is presented by those virologists, firstly, as direct proof of the existence of the respective virus, secondly as proof of the possibility of multiplying the virus, and thirdly and simultaneously as proof of the isolation of the virus. From hen embryos killed in this way, millions of which are dying silently each year at the vaccine manufacturers�, various vaccine substances are being produced. Besides hen embryos, also cells are being killed in test-tubes in order to present the dying of these cells as proof of the existence, the multiplying and the isolation of a disease-causing virus. Nowhere however is a virus being isolated in this manner, photographed in an electron microscope and its component parts described in processes of the type called electrophoresis. BUT THEN WHAT DOES KILL THE ANIMALS in the animal experiments, if it is not the H5N1? Concerning this too you only have to take a look at the publications in which these animal experiments are described. Hens are being slowly suffocated to death within three days by means of administering a fluid to them through the windpipe. In small Java monkeys, 30 days before the purported infection, temperature transmitters are being placed in the abdomen; 5 days before the purported infection they are fixated in an air sub-pressure chamber and at the point of the so-called infection, an amount of liquid corresponding to 6 schnapps glasses for humans is pressed through the tube in the windpipe of these young animals. Parts of the same extract from dying, that is putrefying, cells are sprayed into both eyes and into the tonsils of the animals. In many cases, suffocation attacks are caused in the animals by means of rinsing the bronchial tubes, etc. The resulting damage and destruction is then presented as the result of H5N1. I have informed the earlier Minister for Consumer Protection, K�nast, and the present minister, Trittin, who are presenting themselves as protectors of animals, about this, via their personal reporters. There was no reaction. BUT THE VIRUS OF THE SPANISH FLU has been reconstructed genetically and also has been demonstrated to be a bird flu virus! What, was reconstructed genetically is nothing else than a model of the genetic substance of an influenza virus. An influenza virus has never been isolated. A genetic substance of an influenza virus has never been isolated either. All that has been done is multiplying gene substance by means of the biochemical multiplication method �polymerase chain reaction� [PCR]. With this method it also is possible to arbitrarily multiply new, never earlier existing, short pieces of gene substance. Thus it�s possible with this technique also to manipulate the genetic fingerprint, that is, to test someone as identical to or different from a sample that has been �found�. Only if very much of gene substance is found that can be compared [to an isolate] is found will the genetic fingerprint provide a certain probability of a match, provided the process is carried out properly. Dr Jeffery Taubenberger, from whom the allegation of a reconstruction of the 1918 pandemic virus originates, works for the US-American army. He has worked for more than 10 years on producing short pieces of gene substance by means of the biochemical multiplication technique PCR, based on samples from different human corpses. Out of the multitude of produced pieces he has selected those which came closest to the model of the genetic substance [sequence] of the idea [model] of an influenza virus, and he has published these. In no corpse however was a virus seen or isolated or was a piece of gene substance from a such isolated. By means of the PCR technique there were produced out of nothing, pieces of gene substance whose earlier existence in the corpse could not be demonstrated. If viruses had been present, then these could have been isolated, and out of these their gene substance could have been isolated; it would not have been necessary for anyone to produce a patchwork quilt of a model of the genetic substance of the idea of an influenza virus, through laborious PCR technique � clearly with an intention to swindle. HOW CAN A LAYMAN check on this? It is being maintained that these short pieces of genetic material, which in the sense of genetics are not complete and which do not even suffice for defining a gene, together would make up the entire gene substance of an influenza virus. In order to see through this swindle one only has to be able to add up the published length pieces, in order to ascertain that the sum of the lengths of the individual pieces do not make up the length of the idea of the genome of the influenza virus model. Even simpler is to ask in what publication you can find the electron microscope photo of this supposedly reconstructed virus. There is no such publication. IT�S BEING MAINTAINED that these experiments have demonstrated that this reconstructed virus from 1918 would kill very effectively. What might be untrue in this? If I inject a hen embryo with a mixture of artificially-produced pieces of gene substance and albumins and aim at the centre of its heart, then it dies faster than if I only inject the mixture into the embryo peripherically. If I expose cells in a test-tube to a quantity of artificially-produced gene substance and albumins, they die faster than under the standard conditions for cells dying in a test-tube. This is being presented as proof of the existence, as proof of the isolation and as proof of the multiplication of the purported virus � this is now �normal science.� Based on this artificially produced gene substance, which is presented as virus, models of albumins are being made with computers. Proceeding from these albumin models, the appearance of the entire virus is reconstructed with computers. That�s all that�s happening. But the whole world believes that you can reconstruct viruses in laboratories. So it�s no wonder either that the CIA and the British secret service MI6, now maintain that in North Korea, the communist regime would now be producing flu viruses even more deadly than H5N1. WHAT CONCLUSIONS do you draw from this? Since Bin Laden, the head of the supposed al-Qaida (which in Arabic only means �The Road), has not been found, and nothing was heard of this organization before the �hotcleaning-up� of the collapse-endangered skyscrapers in New York� Since, just as the supposed smallpox viruses have not been found, and there were found no mass destruction weapons of Saddam�s, (which was the reason for the second Iraq war)... And now once more some deadly viruses are being maintained to exist, it should be obvious who in reality are the terrorists and who in reality are the suicide bombers: All who are participating in the virus panic and are contributing to it! The World Health Organization (WHO) has, in its pandemic plans, [created] a possible breakdown of public order by declaring a flu pandemic. The estimates of up to 100 million deaths should be taken seriously. As to who is most at risk � those in nursing homes, as well as small children will be the first and most defenseless victims of a breakout of chaos and a breakdown of the infrastructure. It would be hardly possible to depict how [bad] this would get, if the contagious-disease makers declared the emergency during the winter [instead of Spring.] DOES THEN THE SUBSTANCE TAMIFLU, which is now being purchased with tax money and stocked, protect people from the bird flu? Nobody maintains that this substance protects against a flu. Tamiflu is supposed to function as a neuraminidase-restraining agent. It restrains in an organism the function of the sugar neuraminidase acid, which is co-responsible for the surface tension in the cells. Those side effects which are noted on the instruction slips accompanying packages of Tamiflu are almost identical to the symptoms of a serious influenza. Thus, on a large scale, medicines are now being stored which cause precisely the same symptoms as those which appear in an actual so-called influenza � symptoms which will discontinue, with a doctor, after seven days, and without a doctor after a week. [sic] If Tamiflu is administered to sick persons, then this is likely to cause far more serious symptoms than those of a serious influenza. If a pandemic is stated to exist, then many people will take this medicine at the same time. In that case we will actually have unequivocal symptoms of a Tamiflu epidemic. Then deaths caused by Tamiflu are to be expected, and this will then be presented as evidence of the dangerous nature of the bird flu and evidence of how anxious the state is that people should be in good health. In this, the well-tested AIDS pattern is being repeated. In Spain it�s noted on the instruction slips accompanying packages of AIDS medicine that it is not known whether the symptoms are caused by the medicine or by the virus. THEN YOU WILL ALSO NOT RECOMMEND any general vaccination or the specially developed vaccination against the bird flu? I am not recommending any madness. Every vaccination substance contains poisonous substances which have effects during a long time resulting in smaller or larger permanent injury. The infection protection law requires, as necessary precondition for a vaccination�s being justified, the �exists�, the fact that something that causes a disease, for instance a virus, actually exists. Since none of the so-called disease-causing viruses can be, nor should be, maintained to exist, there can also be no lawful vaccinations against influenza, and none against bird flu either. Every vaccination that has occurred in Germany after the infection protection law became operative on January 1, 2000 is a crime of serious bodily assault. So, of course, I am not recommending people to surrender themselves to become victims of lawbreakings and crimes. WHAT IN YOUR OPINION LIES BEHIND ALL THIS? One can only speculate. Of course the pharmaceutial industry is happy about the big business with the bird flu panic. But in fact every individual lies behind this madness. The situation is what it is. The situation could only come to this because as citizens we have tolerated that our state acts in this way against people, although our state is formally a democratic state built on law. Anyone who waits for the pharmaceutical industry to do something for the good of people concerning this will wait in vain. �Wer sich jetzt nicht wehrt, der lebt verkehrt� � �You don�t now put up a defense? Your life won�t have the right sense.� Anyone can ask the Ministry for Consumer Protection, the Ministry for Public Health etc for that scientific proof which would justify the bird flu panic. Anyone who waits for �the others� to do something should not wonder why nothing is done and why the situation gets much worse. In the final instance we, the citizens, stand behind this, in that we for years have done nothing about it, and have seen the whole madness around us and tolerated it. Here we must begin to take social responsibility, if we do not want to surrender and sacrifice ourselves to the total domination and chaos of an uncontrolled pseudoscience. IN YOUR OPINION MUST [this] science be combated? The domination of the pseudoscience must be overcome by means of a social science which is characterized by its obligation to truthfulness and by the possibility to check on it and to control its actions. The language of the present university medical science reveals that it is an an undemocratic, unlawfull and uncontrolled dominating authority. When the academic medicine practitioners and the state justify their actions, they refer to the �dominating opinion in medical science� to which we supposedly have to submit � even if these authorities maintained that the babies are brought by the stork or that the earth is a flat disk � we have to agree with the authority. We have however no reason to complain. It is we who are tolerating this governmental line of conduct. It should suprise no one that if we continue to tolerate this, we�re surrendering ourselves [to the endproducts] of this domination � just as we are doing right now, faced with the absurdity of the alleged bird flu allegations. It should not surprise anyone who surrenders himself to this to wakes up one morning and with horror finds that he is dead: Killed by that domination which he as citizen of a democratic state built on law had tolerated. In a democratic state built on law, the bird flu panic would be just as impossible as would AIDS and vaccinations. We the citizens must bring about the state built on law. Then not only AIDS but also the pseudoscience and the bird flu will have no chance. I can only say: Don�t give the bird flu a chance! Don�t believe the lies you are being told! Check things out! Use your reason! For those who want to do something: At www.agenda-leben.de there are suggestions. ������������������������������� [The German original: � 2005 FAKTuell �] Footnotes: 2 Stephan Lanka on the New Medicine 3 Stephan Lanka on AIDS part 1 | part 2 4 From Advance of the Killer Ducks by Torsten Engelbrecht, David Crowe, Jim West. The Journalist magazine, November 2005. We sent four questions to the German Ministry for consumer protection, and they turned out the following reply: �You are inquiring about very specific issues to which the German Ministry cannot respond as quickly at the present time as it was necessary for your investigation. We thank you for your understanding� � though we didn�t even mention any deadline or any need to hurry! After we pointed out that we were not in a hurry and that it would just be nice to know when we could expect a reply, the German Ministry for Consumer Protection then only responded in reference to the scientific instances with: �Your questions about the substantiation of the pathogenicity and pandemic potential of the H5N1 virus as well as the study confirming this can only be answered by the experts from RKI or FLI.� The FLI, which according to the German Ministry for Consumer Protection �possesses virus isolates of H5N1�, sent us four studies, which were published in an American professional magazine, as an answer to our questions. These papers discuss pathogenicity or pandemic potential, but they do not go into if other factors like toxins might come into question for the cause of the sickness of the birds. And concerning the request for substantiation of pandemic potential, the FLI conceded: �There is no scientific forecasting method that could support the possibility that an influenza virus can induce a new pandemic at this time.� From Advance of the Killer Ducks http://www.gnn.tv/A02138

reviver | 08-29-2009 12:00 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread I believe this may have been posted, but if you havn't read it, it is worth the time. Swine Flu Expose a book by Eleanora I. McBean, Ph.D., N.D. PREFACE This booklet on Swine Flu hazards and fakery is part of a larger book on vaccination, titled, VACCINATION CONDEMNED BY COMPETENT DOCTORS. It is about time a large and comprehensive book of the long concealed facts about vaccination is brought forth. This is the largest and most informative book on the subject ever written in America. It contains data collected from medical records, army reports, and startling findings from researchers all over the world. The book is intended to help combat the disastrous effects of vaccine promoters and their deceptive propaganda. I have seen cancers caused by vaccinations, on the arms of people, exactly where the vaccine was injected. I have also seen paralysis and other tragedies caused by vaccinations. All these are unnecessary and avoidable by the application of information contained in the chapters of this book. It will be noted that there are many repetitions of certain facts all through the book. There are two reasons for this. One is that some chapters are used as separate booklets like the chapter on SWINE FLU. The other reason is that the wrong information about vaccination has been drilled into the people from early childhood, so it is necessary to repeat the truth many times in order to re-program the thinking from false claims to the truth. Truth wears no mask, she seeks neither place nor applause, bows to no human shrine; she only asks a hearing."----Anon CHAPTER 1: SWINE FLU ANOTHER MEDICALLY-MADE EPIDEMIC "Take the profit out of the manufacture and administration of serums and vaccines and they would soon be condemned even by those who are now using them"—George Starr White M D At the present writing, October 1976 a group of medical opportunists have taken upon themselves the dictatorial authority to declare the threat of a sweeping epidemic of SWINE FLU which they said was similar to or related to the 1918 epidemic of Spanish influenza which wiped out 20,000,000 people world-wide This declaration was supposed to scare all the people into their vaccination centers to be shot full of experimental vaccine poisons, while they, the promoters, raked in the profits During the big polio vaccine drive, a spokesman for ParkeDavis one of the five drug houses making the vaccine stated "Our company will clear over $10,000,000 on Salk vaccine in 1955 " Before they were through they had fleeced the people of over $4 billion dollars on the Salk racket (See the chapter on POLIO CAUSED BY VACCINATION) Most of the people had their eyes opened during the polio vaccine fiasco so now when the same poison pushers started to beat their drums again for swine flu vaccine customers, they were smart enough to see through the hoax and refuse the shots, even though the scare-head propaganda slogans said swine flu is contagious and you can die if you don t get the shots. However, the scare techniques and perhaps other inducements, worked on (the then acting) President Ford who has since been voted out of office—and none too soon When the high pressure sales committee, Doctors Salk Sabin, Sencer, Mathews Cooper, etc marched into Ford s office in March (76) and told him to hand over $135,000,000 to support their private money making racket, he handed it over like a simple child without even bothering to ask them for a guarantee that their unproved vaccine would not kill the people—as it did in other vaccine drives—or that their claims were justified. Their claims of safety, effectiveness and need have all been proved to be false during the past few weeks when the vaccine killed 113 people, nation wide, and paralyzed 75 in California alone. We do not have the reports from all 50 states, but if it is the same as in Calif. that would add up to 3,675 cases of paralysis. Many coroners have been given orders by the doctors not to give out the swine flu casualties. So, we don’t know all the facts yet, and we may never know unless we have a "Watergate" investigation. $5,000,000 LAW SUIT FILED AGAINST FLU PROMOTERS FOR CAUSING PARALYSIS A radio newscast (Jan. 77) reported that one of the paralyzed swine flu victims has filed a $5,000,000 suit against the vaccine promoters for causing his paralysis in December of 1976. His suit is against the instigators of the flu epidemic scare, who are Dr. David Sencer of CDC (Center for Disease Control) who spearheaded the vaccine campaign, and Dr. Theodore Cooper of WHO (World Health Organization), the Health Departments which promoted the shots and the six drug houses making the swine flu vaccine. (Why not Ford also and his Congress who financed it?) His complaint was that they had put out propaganda promising that the vaccine had been thoroughly tested and was perfectly safe, and that the swine flu was contagious and people could die if they didn’t get vaccinated, and that they would be protected if they had the shots, and that the side effects, if any were "inconsequential." Dr. Edwin Kilbourne, head of the Microbiology Department at Mount Sinai Medical School (L.A. Calif.) said he thought "the cases of paralysis were only coincidence." Paralysis is known to be a common after-effect of vaccination—any kind of vaccine—and these 75 California cases were paralyzed shortly after their flu shots—and yet, this doctor says (in effect) "forget it—maybe it wasn’t the vaccine that did it." If that is the kind of teaching and slipshod guesswork that our young medical students are getting it isn’t surprising that the doctors come out of medical college all mixed up and unable to cure anything—not even the common cold or pimples. All they learn is how to suppress symptoms with poison drugs or mutilate the patients with unnecessary operations. 97% of the operations performed by U.S. doctors are unnecessary, according to the admission of doctors, themselves, who met to decide what operations would really be necessary in case of socialized medicine when there would be no profit in it for them. They decided that only about three percent (3%) would be necessary. All the flu vaccine sales promises were lies—proved later by the deaths and disasters within a few hours after the shots. The insurance companies which had insured the doctors and vaccine makers down through the years balked at this obvious vaccine swindle game. We wonder why Ford couldn’t have taken a tip from these shrewd businessmen and also turned down the whole, questionable vaccine program. We wonder what inducements prompted Ford and Congress to let themselves be talked into financing not only the vaccine but paying the damage costs which could amount to billions of dollars judging by the large number of deaths and disasters already reported, plus those which have been hushed up by the vaccine promoters. The most common remark we hear on the streets today is, "IT’S THE BIGGEST RIP-OFF OF ALL TIME." More here: http://www.whale.to/a/mcbean2.html

Canadian-guerilla | 08-29-2009 06:46 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Michigan Opposing Mandatory Vaccines http://www.momvaccines.org/index.html http://www.momvaccines.org/assets/im...artsBanner.gif

Canadian-guerilla | 08-29-2009 06:57 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread CRS Report for Congress Mandatory Vaccinations: Precedent and Current Laws Updated January 18, 2005 PDF

Canadian-guerilla | 08-29-2009 07:07 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swine flu vaccination mandatory for all UAE students Tuesday, 28 July 2009 Vaccination against swine flu will be mandatory for all students of private and public schools in the UAE when schools open in September, the director general of the Ministry of Health has said. Vaccination will be mandatory for the country�s 630,000 students and will be free of charge, Dr Ali Bin Shakar told UAE daily Emarat Alyoum. Only children over the age of five are included in the programme, which will cost the government around AED3.2m ($871,000). Students and teachers who contract the virus will be suspended for five to seven days, and authorities could order schools shut in the case of a severe outbreak, Shakar added. The UAE Ministry of Health has launched an awareness campaign to educate students, parents and teachers about the disease. http://www.arabianbusiness.com/56313...l-uae-students

Canadian-guerilla | 08-29-2009 07:37 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/cor.../logo-yjbm.gif Mandatory School Vaccinations: The Role of Tort Law Anthony Ciolli, JD, MBE University of Pennsylvania Law School and University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine This is an Open Access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial No Derivatives License, which permits for noncommercial use, distribution, and reproduction in any digital medium, provided the original work is properly cited and is not altered in any way. The United States is on the verge of a public health crisis. For decades, all 50 states have required that parents vaccinate their children against various diseases, including polio and measles, as a prerequisite to enrolling them in public schools [1]. While virtually all states have tailored their immunization statutes to exempt those with religious (and sometimes philosophical) objections to vaccines from these requirements [2], widespread use of these exemptions threatens to undermine many of the benefits of mandatory vaccinations, such as preserving �herd immunity� [3]. Since it is unlikely that state governments will eliminate such exemptions outright, society must consider other methods of providing incentives for vaccination and compensating those who have suffered due to a disease outbreak caused by a community�s loss of herd immunity. This essay will propose using tort law as a mechanism for prevention and victim compensation while still preserving religious and philosophical exemptions to mandatory school vaccinations. Part I will provide a short overview of mandatory school vaccinations and the dangers posed by widespread use of religious and philosophical exemptions. Part II will explore the potential role of tort law, with a particular emphasis on private causes of action against specific individuals and the possibility of defendant class action lawsuits. Part III will examine whether tort law is an appropriate remedy. An Overview of Mandatory School Vaccinations Why Mandatory Vaccinations? States institute mandatory immunization requirements as a prerequisite to public school enrollment because it is the most efficient method of perpetuating herd immunity. Herd immunity is present in a community when such a high percentage of its members have been immunized from a particular disease that the disease cannot gain a foothold in the community [3]. Thus, achieving and maintaining herd immunity protects not only those who have been vaccinated, but also those with compromised or weak immune systems, such as the elderly, babies, and those afflicted with HIV [3,4,5]. But herd immunity does not just reduce levels of human suffering. Since achieving herd immunity is an inherently preventive measure, mandating school vaccinations as a method of perpetuating herd immunity is far less costly for governments, health care providers, and the economy than treating victims of a disease after it has appeared in a community. The preventable 1989-91 measles outbreak in the United States, for example, created $100 million in direct medical costs alone [6]. Herd immunity, then, is not only the most efficient method of preventing illness and human suffering, but also the most cost effective. Religious & Philosophical Exemptions to Mandatory Vaccinations Although many organized religions, including Catholicism and Judaism, do not prohibit vaccinations,1 several smaller religious sects, most notably Christian Scientists and the Amish, oppose vaccination on religious grounds [3]. Other individuals oppose vaccination for other reasons, ranging from non-religious philosophical or moral beliefs, such as a belief that vaccines interfere with �nature�s genetic blueprint� [8], to unspecified �personal reasons.�2 Religious and other exemptions to mandatory vaccination laws are not required by the U.S. Constitution.3 However, since 100 percent immunization rates are not needed to achieve herd immunity,4 most state governments have chosen to exempt certain individuals from their mandatory vaccination requirements, believing that communities can obtain herd immunity even if such individuals do not become immunized. Most notably, 48 out of 50 states have exempted those whose religious beliefs forbid vaccination [2]. Eighteen states also have made the more controversial decision to exempt individuals who claim to possess non-religious cultural or philosophical objections to vaccines,5 which in some states are granted merely by checking one box on a simple form [9]. Such exemptions are not surprising, �[g]iven Americans� deep respect for individual freedom� and the fact that �absolutely mandatory immunization laws meet stiff resistance� [13]. However, continuing recognition of such exemptions may not be sustainable in the long run. The Dangers of Religious and Philosophical Exemptions Published online 2008 September In recent years, the core premise behind allowing religious and philosophical exemptions � that communities can still achieve herd immunity even if such exemptions are granted � has come under significant doubt. Religious Communities as Disease �Hot Spots.� MORE . . . . . long article http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=2553651

Brio | 08-29-2009 08:19 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread CDC States H1N1 Vaccine May Maim and Kill 30,000 Americans, FDA Requires Minimal Efficacy snip: The Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has officially stated that there will be as many as 30,000 serious, potentially lethal adverse reactions to the novel H1N1 vaccine, while the FDA guidelines for the novel H1N1 vaccine only require that it work in 3 out of every 10 recipients. Last Saturday, I attended one of 10 �public engagement� meetings the CDC is holding across the country, utilizing a new model of public engagement designed to provide a public viewpoint or societal perspective on the topic at hand (mass vaccination) to the sponsor (in this case, the CDC). Part of the process entails the sponsor (CDC) providing the following: �Information on the many sides of an issue is provided to the participants in a fair and balanced manner so that all participants become well-informed, and the overall group process is convened and managed in a neutral, respectful fashion.� This requirement is met by providing an oral presentation in easy to understand language, a booklet summarizing the key facts needed and a discussion guide summarizing the choices faced. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=14950

PatColo | 08-29-2009 11:14 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Fox News Poll: Majority Think Swine Flu Vaccine Deadlier Than Virus This is a web based poll, which only allows one vote per IP, but the web population is crudely filtered already with more people seeking alternatives to MSM propaganda. The poll could also have been posted to flu/jab skeptic sites, and swarmed by skeptics, megaphone-style. Only 1/3 of respondents said taking the flu jab is the safest thing to do, 2/3 were between feeling the jab was worse than the potential flu (50%), or feeling unsure (19%). I doubt the general population matches those numbers. Yet. But the poll is nominally encouraging! AJ yesterday was talking about another poster campaign like the obama/joker one (which I viewed as useless/polarizing), but this one protesting the flu/jab depopulation racket. Sounds worthwhile... reach a few non-internet dwelling sheep who are expected to naively line up for the jab. Some sort of grass roots outreach is in order, bypassing the MSM, for as Catherine Austin Fitts writes, this is the next, meaner face of “the establishment against the rest of society.”

PatColo | 08-29-2009 11:29 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadian-guerilla (Post 1889319) The CDC is presenting a video on the flu at each of the public meetings. Forums have taken place in the following U.S. cities: Denver, Colo.; Lincoln, Neb.; Birmingham, Ala.; Vincennes, Ind.; Sacramento, Calif.; El Paso, Texas; New York, N.Y.; and Bucks County, Pa. Registration is still open for the Aug 29 Spokane, Wash., event.
We Are Change Colorado Educates People at CDC Mandatory Vaccination Advisement Meeting Pretty interesting write-up & videos at the link; WAC people describe the framing & push-polling the CDC-organizers tried to pull over the eyes of the crowd, with the CDC woman at one point expressing her dismay at the distrust exhibited by the crowd.... :dontknow::rofl: Way to go WAC-CO! edit: WAC-CO's article above points to a 2-sided flyer and a free dvd they've put together. From the article: Jonathan Elinoff has designed a 2 sided flier that you can print out and fold in half. I uploaded the PDF images of both sides of the flier to archive.org so we can make this available to everyone in the world to start printing out now and distributing at actions. This is a double sided flier. It folds over so each of these PDF�s is one side of the flier. MAKE SURE to download and print out BOTH pdf images because each is a side of the flier. It is for standard 8.5 x 11 paper. This is the outside of the flier (side 1) This is the inside of the flier (side 2) Also, a Mass Duplication Ready DVD was made by We Are Change Colorado with a few documentaries about vaccines and around 20 news clips from credible news agencies like 60 minutes and so fourth all showing vaccine dangers, cancers, cautions and more. You can contact CoreOfCorruption@gmail.com and get the DVD sent to you for free. If you download torrents, here is the Vacinnation DVD you can download it now and start burning it.

Maxine | 08-29-2009 11:30 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread I was pleased to be told by an elderly person living in the UK, who normally takes the seasonal flu jab, that he does not intend to have the swine flu jab. He said he has heard that there is a lot of evidence pointing to it being dangerous. I feel they may meet with considerable resistance if they try to force this vaccination on the public.

MNeagle | 08-29-2009 06:13 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Mexico May Top 1 Million Swine-Flu Cases, Cordova Tells Reforma Aug. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Mexico’s swine-flu infections could surpass 1 million during the country’s winter season, Reforma newspaper reported, citing Health Minister Jose Angel Cordova. The ministry has documented more than 21,000 cases of the virus this year, Cordova said in an interview with the newspaper. The number of deaths could reach 200 in the winter months, he said. The agency is working with state governments to develop a response plan for an outbreak, including when to close schools or suspend activities and how to prepare hospitals, Reforma said. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=ae7FgtFpgkd0

Brio | 08-29-2009 06:18 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxine (Post 1892870) I feel they may meet with considerable resistance if they try to force this vaccination on the public.
I fear they know that Quote:
According to a CNN report, the military will assist civilian authorities in the event of a significant swine flu outbreak in the U.S. this fall, stoking fears that the pandemic, which has claimed relatively few lives so far, will be used as an excuse to implement martial law and a mandatory vaccination program.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> �The plan calls for military task forces to work in conjunction with the Federal Emergency Management Agency. There is no final decision on how the military effort would be manned, but one source said it would likely include personnel from all branches of the military,� states the report.<o:p></o:p>
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=14949

ColdWater | 08-29-2009 09:15 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Flu spreading at 'unbelievable' rate August 29, 2009 09:49pm SWINE flu spreads four times faster than other viruses and 40 per cent of the fatalities are young adults in good health, the world's top health official says. "This virus travels at an unbelievable, almost unheard of speed," World Health Organisation Director General Margaret Chan told France's Le Monde daily in an interview. "In six weeks it travels the same distance that other viruses take six months to cover," Ms Chan said. "Sixty per cent of the deaths cover those who have underlying health problems," Ms Chan said. "This means that 40 per cent of the fatalities concern young adults - in good health - who die of a viral fever in five to seven days. "This is the most worrying fact," she said, adding that "up to 30 per cent of people in densely populated countries risked getting infected."
Full story http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...rom=public_rss

PatColo | 08-30-2009 12:55 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.yamaguchy.netfirms.com/78...ins/inject.gif full text, and a bunch of Mullins articles at http://www.yamaguchy.netfirms.com/78...ins_index.html

Spectrism | 08-30-2009 09:00 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadian-guerilla (Post 1892678) http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/cor.../logo-yjbm.gif Mandatory School Vaccinations: The Role of Tort Law Anthony Ciolli, JD, MBE University of Pennsylvania Law School and University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
Deee-ammm. Listen to this swine in his rant against religious exemptions: Quote:
Religious communities � particularly Christian Science, Amish, and Mennonite communities � have been the source of many preventable disease outbreaks in recent years. Diseases from polio [16] to measles [17] to rubella [18] have resurfaced with increasing frequency in the United States due to herd immunity being lost in such religious ghettos. This comes at a tremendous cost to society, for �vaccine-preventable diseases impose $10 billion worth of healthcare costs and over 30,000 otherwise avoidable deaths in America each year� [19]. Religious and Philosophical Exemptions as Exemptions of Convenience. However, those with genuine religious objections to vaccination do not represent the entirety of the threat to society. Many individuals increasingly have taken such exemptions not because of genuine beliefs, but because they are simply too lazy to vaccinate their children. Since such parents �do not bear [the] negative externality costs or harms� of losing herd immunity directly, they �may not take them into account in making their decision not to be immunized� [20]. In fact, thousands of parents have joined mail-order or sham religions, such as the �Congregation of Universal Wisdom,� so they can qualify for religious exemptions and not have to go to the trouble of vaccinating their children.6 The situation is even worse in states where one can obtain an exemption for non-religious �philosophical� reasons, with such states frequently having the highest vaccination opt-out rates in the nation [22]. Admittedly, individuals may take advantage of philosophical exemptions for a wide range of reasons, ranging from �devotion to �natural� or alternative healing� to �libertarian opposition to state power� to �mistrust of pharmaceutical companies� to a �belief that vaccines are not as safe as experts claim� [23]. However, there is little doubt that many parents use such exemptions out of mere convenience rather than sincere belief � for instance, one recent empirical study has shown a significant relationship between religious and philosophical exemption rates and the level of �red tape� or governmental scrutiny used to get the exemption, with states with very simple exemption processes having the highest exemption rates and states with very complex procedures having the lowest [22]. The widespread and growing use of religious and philosophical exemptions for convenience may, in the long run, jeopardize herd immunity, not just in religious communities, but secular ones as well.
I got a message for Anthony Ciolli: my family is not part of your "herd" and you have no right to put anything in our bodies. We are not "lazy" about vaccinations. That is just stupid and slanderous. We are not ghettos because we have a belief in God and a calling to take care of our families. Your "herd immunity" is fictitious so keep it to yourself and YOUR family.

reviver | 08-30-2009 10:47 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Spectrism (Post 1894004) That is just stupid and slanderous. We are not ghettos because we have a belief in God and a calling to take care of our families. Your "herd immunity" is fictitious so keep it to yourself and YOUR family.
Agreed, except for the slander. It is libel... That moron is probably skull and bones. That means your skull and bones awash on his evil satanic ship. Don't allow it.

Canadian-guerilla | 08-30-2009 11:20 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread VA won't pay benefits to Marine whose injuries came from vaccine Sun Aug 30, 6:00 am ET WASHINGTON � It wasn't a bullet or roadside bomb that felled Lance Cpl. Josef Lopez three years ago after nine days in Iraq . It was an injection into his arm before his unit left the states. The then 20-year-old Marine from Springfield, Mo. , suffered a rare adverse reaction to the smallpox vaccine. While the vaccine isn't mandatory, the military strongly encourages troops to take it. However, it left Lopez in a coma, unable for a time to breathe on his own and paralyzed for weeks. Now he can walk, but with a limp. He has to wear a urine bag constantly, has short-term memory loss and must swallow 15 pills daily to control leg spasms and other ailments. And even though his medical problems wouldn't have occurred if he hadn't been deployed, Lopez doesn't qualify for a special government benefit of as much as $100,000 for troops who suffer traumatic injuries. The hangup? His injuries were caused by the vaccine. "I could have easily died, or not been able to walk because of that," Lopez said. "It destroyed my world. It was pretty traumatic to me." Officials at the Department of Veterans Affairs , which oversees the benefit program, said they're following what the agency has determined to be Congress' intent. "It's for traumatic injury, not disease; not illness; not preventive medicine," said Stephen Wurtz , deputy assistant director for insurance at the VA. "It has nothing to do with not believing these people deserve some compensation for their losses." The VA was unable to say how many claims have been rejected because of vaccine-related injuries. Wurtz and others familiar with the program said it probably wasn't a large amount. As of July 1 , the traumatic injury program has granted nearly 6,700 claims, a 63 percent approval rate, and paid $394 million in compensation, Wurtz said. A representative for the Military Vaccine Agency , which oversees the vaccination of troops for smallpox, anthrax and other diseases, couldn't be reached for comment, despite repeated attempts. Sen. Claire McCaskill , a Missouri Democrat and a member of the Armed Services Committee, drafted a bill named after Lopez to widen the program to include vaccine-related injuries. She became aware of his plight when he and his mother stopped in her Senate office last year looking for help. Lopez had come to Washington to compete in the wheelchair portion of the Marine Corps Marathon. "The program was created with a broad mandate to provide financial assistance to folks with serious injuries and given to VA to determine the outlines," said Stephen Hedger , McCaskill's legislative director and an Army veteran of Iraq . The VA "took a narrower approach and defined in greater detail what injuries and illnesses qualified for payment. Our view is it was way too narrow." Lopez's health insurance through the military has covered all his medical expenses. The VA has paid for his medical costs since he was discharged in June. What he didn't get were benefits from a program called TSGLI, or Traumatic Servicemember Group Life Insurance . Congress created it in 2005 to provide short-term financial help to severely injured service members until their disability benefits could kick in. The compensation is retroactive to injuries suffered since Oct. 1, 2001 . It's intended to cover expenses such as the costs of having a family member temporarily relocate while an injured service member receives treatment at a military hospital. Another might be the costs of retrofitting a service member's home to accommodate a wheelchair or other medical equipment. The injuries don't have be the result of combat, however. Service members could be eligible because of a car accident on the way to the grocery store. The fee is an additional $1 each month on top of their regular military life insurance premium. Lopez seemed to fit the profile. His injuries affected his normal daily activities, one of the criteria to obtain coverage. His family also met another: financial hardship. His mother, Barbara Lopez , took a leave from her job as a high school secretary to move to Maryland to be with him while he spent six weeks at the National Naval Medical Center at Bethesda . She also had to give up her second job, a part-time position as a cashier. They'd to build a ramp and widen a door to accommodate his wheelchair at her home in Springfield , where he spent his recovery. Barbara Lopez said she heard about TSGLI from families of other injured troops at Bethesda . Yet unlike many of them, whose wounds were obvious, her son's application was turned down. She still can't fathom it. "In his spinal column, he has quite a bit of permanent scarring," Barbara Lopez said. "He takes medication to help his legs. He can walk unassisted, but never far, and he can't stand for very long. I kind of feel Joe was out there fighting the same fight they were. He should be just as eligible." The military began the smallpox vaccination program in 2003 because of post-9/11 fears that terrorists might attack the U.S. with germ warfare. Plans for the invasion of Iraq were also under way. The military was concerned that Saddam Hussein might use biological weapons against American troops. Smallpox is contagious and can be fatal. It has no known cure. However, on rare occasions, as in Lopez's case, the vaccine can be as dangerous as the disease. Side effects can range from a simple rash to swelling around the brain and heart, and even death. Like the inoculation for anthrax, another pre-combat injection, troops are supposed to be informed of the side effects and told that taking the vaccine was optional. Many have said that it was made abundantly clear that refusing wasn't a good idea. "No one said 'No,'" Lopez said. "I had no qualms. I had no reason not to." http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20...latchy/3301410

Canadian-guerilla | 08-30-2009 11:39 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Lethal infection �a flag� in flu watch We don�t know why H1N1 causes mild flu in most cases, but is deadly to some August 30, 2009 OTTAWA � Four new deaths from human swine flu were reported in Canada on Aug. 21. Some of those people had been in hospital attached to breathing machines since June. �We still are getting reports of deaths, but people that are dying now are not ones who have just acquired the infection,� Dr. John Spika, director general of the centre for immunization and respiratory infectious disease at the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) said. �It�s sort of those who were infected, became seriously ill and who have never left the intensive care unit. It is a flag for what may be coming in the fall.� As officials prepare for an anticipated second, and possibly third wave of pandemic H1N1 influenza, experts are trying to make sense of what makes the rogue virus a lethal infection for some people. Meanwhile, laboratories around the world, including in Canada, are looking for subtle signs H1N1 may be mutating into something more virulent. �At this stage of the game, we don�t have any evidence to suggest that it is changing, at least very quickly, as a pandemic strain,� Spika says. �But that doesn�t mean that it may not. We�re watching.� Mutations in flu viruses occur randomly. �They�re just accidents of the virus spreading and replicating,� says Dr. Timothy Brewer, director of global health programs at McGill University in Montreal. �The more this virus spreads, the more opportunities for accidents to occur and for the virus to become more virulent, or more deadly � or less virulent, and less deadly,� Brewer says. �You can get mutations in both directions.� But a world expert on virology says H1N1 isn�t under any significant pressure to change, because there are still �plenty� of susceptible people. �At the moment it�s just going full steam ahead,� says Dr. John Oxford, a professor of virology at St. Bartholomew�s and the Royal London Hospital, Queen Mary�s School of Medicine and Dentistry. �It has the whole world at its feet.� What more concerns him are new reports that the virus has been detected in turkeys in Chile. That raises the spectre of H1N1 re-assorting, or swapping genes with H5N1 influenza, or �bird flu.� �If it happened in Southeast Asia, where H5N1 is embedded in the avian population, particularly in ducks and chickens, you�re increasing the chances of getting a mixture of swine flu with H5N1,� Oxford says. H5N1 has a mortality rate of about 60 per cent. A new virus wouldn�t necessarily have that kind of kill rate, Oxford says. �But you would end up with another virus to contend with.� As scientists watch for changes in H1N1�s behaviour, others are trying to assess just how virulent the virus is as it exists now. �The first reports out of Mexico were sort of alarming � the severe pneumonias, and a lot of pneumonia,� says University of Ottawa virologist Earl Brown. �The story that seems to be shaking out is that the number of deaths, the number of adverse effects isn�t that much different for this flu than seasonal flu.� What is different is that H1N1 is causing more viral pneumonia. Flu normally infects the respiratory tract. The lungs, weakened and battered, become a place for bacteria to thrive, leading to bacterial pneumonia, the most common life-threatening complication of influenza. With H1N1, the virus itself is causing pneumonia through widespread infection of the lung. It�s not clear what it is about H1N1�s genes that allow it to attack and infect more lung tissue. Nor is it clear why some people are more vulnerable to severe infection. Data to be presented this week at a two-day meeting in Winnipeg of national and international critical care and public health experts, involving 200 patients from across Canada who became critically ill with swine flu, suggests 40-year-olds are the group most at risk of developing life-threatening complications from H1N1. The assumption is that older people have some protection because they were exposed to a distant cousin, likely in the 1950s. �We don�t know exactly why the younger people are being affected more than the older, but the assumption is that it�s due to a lack of immunity,� says Dr. Rob Fowler, assistant professor at the University of Toronto�s departments of medicine and critical care medicine. And despite warnings from health officials that those with underlying medical problems are most at risk, Fowler says two-thirds of people who have become critically sick in Canada have had no serious underlying health conditions. The virus, he says, �has been remarkable for its ability to cause illness in patients who are not weakened from some other medical condition. So, that�s novel. And it makes it difficult to define a segment of the population that is so-called �high risk,� and should maybe therefore be considered for vaccination before other groups, or for potentially early therapy before other groups.� Morbid obesity, meaning a body mass index of 40 or greater, has emerged as a risk factor for severe H1N1. Obese people have higher rates of asthma and other respiratory problems. �That set them up to being not the best breathers to start with,� Brown says. The mortality rate for H1N1 has been estimated at about 0.4 per cent, but the true death rate may be much lower because no one has a good handle on just how many people have been infected. There�s no routine testing of people not sick enough to be hospitalized, and the majority of cases are mild, with people recovering within a week without any kind of medical treatment. Oxford says there are likely five to 10 times more infections than official lab testing shows. The death rate for normal seasonal flu is around 0.2 per cent, says Brewer, of McGill. That means swine flu�s mortality rate �is in the same general ballpark as seasonal influenza.� Brewer says that often the first sign �that something serious is going on� is an increased difficulty breathing. �People have to work harder and harder just to maintain the same normal level of oxygen in their blood.� Some have gastrointestinal symptoms such as severe vomiting. Those who become critically ill frequently develop severe lung injury requiring extraordinary forms of mechanical ventilation. http://www.ottawacitizen.com/health/...020/story.html

PatColo | 08-30-2009 04:14 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread latest headlines from Burgermeister's TheFluCase.com: * EMERGENCY UPDATE: Leaked French Government Document reveals details of WHO forced mass murder vaccination programme starting September 28th: MORE SOON * UK mainstream media punctures swine flu hype * Portuguese website launched * Does the UN know of plans to put the live bird flu virus in the "swine flu" vaccine? * Independent Media launches fierce criticism of toxic "swine flu" jab * UK doctors to be offered �27,000 to give "swine flu" jab they would refuse themselves over safety fears to patients * Health provider in West Virginia associated with Jay Rockefeller institutes to force employees to take flu shot or be fired * Czech "swine flu" revolt spreads to leading government figures * $wine Flu posters are now up in New Zealand * UN head makes secretive visit to Austrian President * Illegal squalene to be used in USA and UK "swine flu" jab * Jay Rockefeller turns his attention from biological warfare to the internet * WHO scientist in France looks for more virulent "swine flu" gene * Austrian government takes down pandemic plan allowing forced vaccinations * Forced swine flu vaccinations at gunpoint for USA only one penstroke away, reports Mike Adams * Is WHO preparing to unleash its man-made pandemic virus through the act of mass vaccination? * MSNBC puts out fictitious "swine flu" maps * Penny Bright on the $wine flu scam in New Zealand's National Business Review * Canadian vaccine resistance movement grows * The Move to Depopulate the Planet * Australian doctors say risk of being sued too high: government swine flu jab programme grinds to a halt * Setting the people up to die: A conspiracy of silence about swine flu natural remedies * US Health Secretary ignores risks of swine flu jab in dash to vaccinate all Americans by Thanksgiving * Million times more squalene in swine flu jab than caused the Gulf War Syndrome * BMJ: Opposition to swine flu jab growing worldwide * Germany's Der Spiegel criticises "massive human experiment" with new swine flu vaccine * The H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic: Manipulating the Data to Justify a Worldwide Public Health Emergency * H1N1 synthetic flu may be test run for H5N1 avian flu * The history of the synthetic H1N1 flu virus and a not-so-rosy future * Hybrid A/H1N1 flu tied to genetic trigger for larger, mutated version * 'Tamiflu turned my children into hallucinating, sobbing wrecks' * Greece force vaccinates whole population with "bird flu" vaccine * Will the "swine flu" vaccine contain Birth-Control substances? * Australian infectious disease experts wants to stop the mass vaccinations * ��� Translate for www.theflucase.com - translation of articles wanted * Half of UK doctors to refuse "swine flu" jab over safety fears, reports the Daily Mail * New Zealand to reduce the swine flu alert level * $1000 per day fine, 30 days in prison if refusing the swine flu vaccine In Massachusetts * IMPORTANT UPDATE and Austrian file numbers for the Baxter case * Swine flu conference in Washington DC predicts end of the USA as a result of swine flu pandemic check http://www.theflucase.com for links to these stories and more. :23_1_22:

MNeagle | 08-30-2009 10:12 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Colombian president has swine flu, gov't informing summit leaders who may have contacted him http://www.startribune.com/world/562...3aPc:_Yyc:aUUZ

Ryedale | 08-31-2009 07:39 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.infowars.com/national-gua...ne-riot-drill/ A High School in Maine is to be taken over by the National Guard today for the purposes of a drill that will see Guardsmen deal with unruly citizens begging for swine flu vaccines. Consider the source, but.......Begging for swine flu vaccines??

Miss Kitty | 09-01-2009 10:40 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread President gets flu briefing, hosts Ramadan Published: September 1, 2009 WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama is starting September with a briefing on the latest efforts to prepare for the H1N1 flu virus. Tuesday's briefing features senior officials who will outline the government's ongoing efforts to respond to the new strain of swine flu. Participants will include White House Homeland Security Adviser John Brennan, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Tom Frieden. In the evening, Obama is hosting a dinner celebrating Ramadan. The event in the State Dining Room will also highlight the contributions of American Muslims. http://newsok.com/president-gets-flu...stom_click=rss __________________

Canadian-guerilla | 09-01-2009 11:30 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread from World Net Daily State preps to relocate quarantined H1N1 victims 'Your home and other less restrictive alternatives are not acceptable' Posted: August 31, 2009 DES MOINES, Ia. � A blank document from the Iowa Department of Public Health has been discovered online, designed to be filled in with the name of an H1N1 virus victim who is required to relocate from his or her home to a quarantine facility. The form, which began appearing today in e-mails and on the Internet, has concerned a confused public already swimming in conflicting reports about the severity of the swine flu and intrusive government measures that many fear may be taken if the disease becomes a pandemic. The Iowa document, which WND confirmed with state officials is authentic, has done little to calm the public's fears. "The Iowa Department of Public Health has determined that you have had contact with a person with Novel Influenza A H1N1," the form reads. "The Department has determined that it is necessary to quarantine your movement to a specific facility to prevent further spread of this disease. "The Department has determined that quarantine in your home and other less restrictive alternatives are not acceptable," the document continues, before listing mandatory provisions of compliance with relocation to a quarantine facility. The blank-form document, which has no name or case number listed, is titled a "Facility Quarantine Order," and though Iowa Department of Public Health Medical Director Patricia Quinlisk confirmed the state has the form, she told WND it's highly unlikely it will ever be used. "We've had these kinds of template orders for years, but we hardly ever use them," Quinslick said. "I can count on two hands the number of times � in 20 years � that we've had to relocate a person because of quarantine." http://www.wnd.com/images/090831quarantine.jpg Quinslick wasn't certain who released the blank document, or who signed her name to the bottom of some versions circulating on the Internet, but she wasn't concerned that it's been made public. "We're not trying to hide anything," she said. "This is the kind of form we use." Quinslick told WND her department has prepared similar documents for several contagious diseases to "have them ready just in case." But at the same time, she said, state law requires that when IPDH does need to quarantine someone, it be done in the least restrictive way possible, which typically means in the person's home. "Usually when we relocate, it's only because they have no place to be, like a homeless tuberculosis patient," Quinslick said, "One time, I recall, we relocated a homeless man to his relative's house." The Facility Quarantine Order for the H1N1 virus that has been circulated online illustrates Quinslick's point. Following the order that a person be removed from his or her home, the form contains a blank for explaining the reason, including one of the following: "the person violated a previously issued home quarantine order, the person does not have an appropriate home setting conducive to home quarantine, etc." Quinslick told WND it was doubly unlikely the state would use the form, since the swine flu has proven less dangerous than earlier estimates. "I don't anticipate using [the form] for H1N1, since it's been shown to be a very mild disease," Quinslick said. "We found this spring it's not as serious as feared." As for fears that Iowa is preparing detention centers for rounding up the people who refuse swine flu shots, Quinslick was quick to dismiss the idea. "Iowa has no relocation facility currently," she said. "If we can't quarantine a person in their home, we usually use a hotel room. There's not a facility, no gymnasium or anything like that set up. "And I've never been in on any discussion of forcing people to be vaccinated," she added. "If there's a highly contagious outbreak and a person refuses vaccination, that's fine, they don't need to be vaccinated, but they may need to stay home until we're certain the danger has passed." http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=108548

Canadian-guerilla | 09-01-2009 11:36 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Tourist in China Spread Swine Flu While Talking, Study Says Aug. 31 (Bloomberg) -- An American tourist in China spread swine flu while talking to fellow bus passengers at close range, suggesting that virus-laden droplets expelled from the mouth are a key mode of transmission, scientists found. The 40-year-old woman who traveled in early June from New York to Jiuzhaigou, a popular tourist spot in southwestern China, probably sparked an outbreak among 30 members of her holiday group, the researchers said in a study in the October edition of the journal Emerging Infectious Diseases. The woman developed symptoms about a day after leaving the U.S. and spent almost 7 hours riding with the group on an air- conditioned bus. Those who chatted with her for at least 10 minutes within a 2-meter (6.6-foot) range, regardless of their seat or other forms of social contact, had a greater risk of infection, the authors said. The finding suggests preventing transmission by droplets may foil the spread of the pandemic bug. �Our data show that this outbreak was caused by talking with the index case-patient at close range, which indicates droplet transmission,� wrote Ke Han, a researcher with the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention in Beijing, and colleagues. �Conversely, other kinds of contact, such as dining at the same table and receiving chewing gum from the index case-patient, played no role during this outbreak.� The researchers, who included officials from provincial disease-control centers, studied the outbreak to identify the source of infection, mode of transmission and risk factors. �Distinctive Hairstyle� The index case had �a highly distinctive hairstyle, which made her easy to remember,� the authors wrote. Nine of the 16 tourists who spoke with the infected woman, or index case, at close range for 2 minutes or more caught the new H1N1 influenza virus, whereas none of the 14 tourists who didn�t talk to her became ill, according to the study. Tour group members who talked to the woman for at least 10 minutes were almost five times as likely to become ill than those who spoke with her for 2 to 9 minutes, they said. During this outbreak, the woman had a fever while traveling on three flights, and a person who subsequently became infected also flew while feverish, they said. A third patient caught a flight while suffering from a headache. The fevers weren�t detected by thermal scanning at airports, according to the study. All three passengers didn�t truthfully inform health authorities of their symptoms in health questionnaires they were required to complete, the report said. �These data suggest that thermal scanning and health questionnaires at the airports were not effective for detecting pandemic (H1N1) 2009 infections,� the authors said. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...=aUPeH8T6FYgg#

PatColo | 09-01-2009 12:14 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swineflu kills five times more among “minorities and indigenous people” "...advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." - Project for a New American Century “Immune Carriers” or Can People Be Made Into Biological Weapons ?

Canadian-guerilla | 09-01-2009 01:57 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Is Airborne Spread of Influenza Possible? By Amesh A. Adalja, MD, January 23, 2009 A new study1 from researchers at West Virginia University demonstrates that the influenza virus is able to remain suspended in the air, thus enabling airborne transmission. This finding suggests the possible need for more stringent infection control measures to forestall spread of seasonal influenza within hospitals. more . . . http://www.upmc-cbn.org/report_archi..._01222009.html

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DMac00 | 09-01-2009 04:33 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.recombinomics.com/News/09...idespread.html Commentary Widespread Tamiflu Resistance in Texas? Recombinomics Commentary 11:28 September 1, 2009 "We have found resistance to Tamiflu on the border. We have observed some cases, few to be sure, in El Paso and close to McAllen, Texas," said Maria Teresa Cerqueira, head of the local PAHO office. Cerquiera said one patient diagnosed with a Tamiflu-resistant strain had been treated with Zanamivir -- an anti-viral made by GlaxoSmithKline -- and another was given no alternative medication. Both survived. The above comments are from the widely reported AFP report on oseltamivir resistance in Texas. The distance between the two border locations (see map) raised concerns that H274Y was widespread. The events that followed did not decrease those concerns. The original report was followed by a claim that the source was misquoted, and the original source was a physician in Columbia. However, the existence of the two patients described above was not questioned. Moreover, comments were made on limited testing, which seemed to deny confirmations, rather than the existence of the resistance. In addition, the resistance was said to be linked to cross border traffic. However, these claims still left open the strong possibility that resistance was widespread. Testing in Texas was limited. Prior to the week 32 report, Texas had reported antiviral results on three pandemic H1N1 isolates. Consequently, the two new cases raised the resistance rate to 40%. However, those numbers were based on the week 32 report, which was delayed. Last week the CDC released their week 33 report, which included 3 new cases of resistance, and many assumed the three cases were the hospitalized patient in northern California, as well as the two cases described previously along the Texas / Mexican border. The delay in the report from Texas raises concerns that there are more cases. The above quote, which was made almost a month ago, suggested that the number of examples of resistance may have been higher than the two cases that were detailed, and the only two new cases reported last month were both resistant. The clustering in Texas was similar to the cluster in Seattle, which involved two immuno-compromised patients who were infected by closely related H1N1, and the two cases in the summer camp in North Carolina, which were also reported simultaneously. These cases that are clustered in time and space suggest that the resistance is not due to independent random mutations which are selected by Tamiflu treatment or prophylaxis. Instead, the clustering suggests that the H274Y has already been acquired, and the treatment simply increases the H274Y to the detection level. The increased detection rate raises concerns that the H274Y will become dominant. Thus, further testing is warranted, yet Texas has only tested five pandemic H1N1 isolates, even though H1N1 is widespread in Texas (see map), and will dramatically spread in upcoming weeks due to the start of a new school year. The level of testing of school outbreaks has declined dramatically, even as the number of cases and Tamiflu resistance increased. Students provide a vehicle for rapid spread, and the lack of resistance testing of Texas isolates, where 40% of tested H1N1 has H274Y, remains a cause for concern.

Canadian-guerilla | 09-01-2009 05:33 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread US Teams With Sesame Street to Slow Swine Flu <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/NrZ3ZJOOuTQ&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/NrZ3ZJOOuTQ&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> Three federal agencies are teaming up with the colorful muppets of Sesame Street to teach children and families how to prevent the spread of swine flu this fall, such as by washing their hands, sneezing into the bend in their arms and not touching their faces. But don't worry parents -- the show's garbage can-dwelling Oscar the Grouch won't be preaching cleanliness. The spots are expected to feature the gentle Elmo and human character Gordon. "We are thrilled to partner with Elmo, Gordon, and Sesame Workshop again to emphasize the steps kids and their parents can take to stay happy and healthy this school year," Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said. The partnership continues a series of public service announcements created in May by Sesame Workshop, the group that produces the children's public television program, HHS, and the departments of Homeland Security and Education. Children and young families are expected to be among groups most at risk of infection with the new H1N1 virus. DHS faced criticism last year when it tried to enlist the furry Sesame Street denizens to teach emergency preparedness to young kids, but a swine flu campaign featuring the Muppets of Plaza S�samo was popular in Mexico, where celebrities also donated time to the messages. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...l?hpid=topnews

ColdWater | 09-01-2009 06:00 PM
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Baptist Health Increases to Level 3, Taking H1N1 Virus Precautions Taren Reed Created: 9/1/2009 3:25:57 PM Updated: 9/1/2009 3:28:57 PM JACKSONVILLE, FL -- Baptist Health System facilities are at a level 3, meaning there are either known or suspected cases of the H1N1 virus in the community and at their facilities. Baptist Health officials are suggesting limited visitation from people in the Northeast Florida region to all of their hospitals, as well as Wolfson Children's Hospital. If you suffer from any flu-like symptoms, to limit the spread of the disease, they are asking you not to visit local healthcare facilities. Some patients at Baptist Health have been asked to wear masks to prevent spreading disease, and some healthcare staff have also been asked to wear masks. The hospital has ordered the following precautions: Restrict visitation of children 5 years old and under from all patient-care areas, including patient rooms. No one demonstrating flu-like symptoms will be allowed visitation privileges, including vendors, contractors, clergy, or patient family members. Anyone visiting a patient with either confirmed or suspected H1N1 will wear a procedure mask or be denied access. All frontline staff, including PAS, ED triage, Information, Security Pass Desks, etc., will wear procedure masks when dealing with the public, including incoming patients, family members, etc.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...1&provider=rss

Miss Kitty | 09-01-2009 06:32 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread H5N1/H1N1 VIRUS CO-INFECTION - EGYPT: ex SAUDI ARABIA, SUSPECTED, REQUEST FOR INFORMATION ************************************************** *************** A ProMED-mail post ProMED-mail is a program of the International Society for Infectious Diseases Date: Sun 30 Aug 2009 Source: AlMasry AlYoum [in Arabic trans. Hussain Ayoub, paraphrased and edited] A sample taken from a 28 year-old man who arrived at the port of Safaga from Saudi Arabia after performing Umrah [pilgrimage] has tested positive for [both] bird and swine flu [that is, presumably avian influenza (H5N1) virus and pandemic (H1N1) 2009 virus infections]. He was immediately detained and held in isolation in a hospital in Hurghada. Mohammad Rifai, director-general of preventative medicine, stated that this case is the 3rd in 2 days. [The other 2 are a 35-year-old Italian tourist also retained at the hospital in Hurghada and] another pilgrim, 30 years old, who has been detained in Safaga Central Hospital. Rifai pointed out that a sample from a 38-year-old citizen has tested negative. Another 2 cases have been detained in Mansoura fever hospital on suspicion of similar illness. 5 cases, including 4 children, suspected of having contracted "bird flu" infection [presumably avian influenza (H5N1) virus infection] have been detained in Mansoura Chest hospital. [Byline: Mohamed Soliman] -- Communicated by: ProMED-mail [Does the director-general of preventative medicine mean this case is the 3rd in 2 days of *dual* infection? Unless both *viruses* were detected in the patient, not simply positive antibody results, this would be inconclusive, since Egypt has reported cases of H5N1 throughout 2009, and this person may have had a mild infection before leaving for Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has reported 285 cases (no deaths) of H1N1 in 2009 -- see last case count of 22 July in ProMED ref. below -- but it is also possible that the Egyptian pilgrim(s) could have caught H1N1 from a pilgrim from another H1N1-infected country.- Mod.JW] [If this report is confirmed it raises the prospect of the potential evolution by genome subunit reassortment of a highly transmissible influenza virus like the pandemic (H1N1) 2009 virus with the enhanced virulence of the avian (H5N1) virus. Further information is awaited confirmatory or not, by laboratory analysis, of the occurrence of dual infection. - Mod.CP] [Port Safaga, in the Red Sea Governorate (El Bahr El Ahmar), can be located on the HealthMap/ProMED-mail interactive map of Egypt at . - Sr.Tech.Ed.MJ] [see also: Avian influenza, human (111): Egypt, 84th & 85th cases, WHO 20090901.3079 Influenza pandemic (H1N1) 2009 (14): case count 20090722.2599 2008 ---- Avian influenza (24): Saudi Arabia, China (Tibet), Bangladesh 20080129.0373 ........................................mpp/arn/cp/mj/jw *################################################# #########* ************************************************** ********** ProMED-mail makes every effort to verify the reports that are posted, but the accuracy and completeness of the information, and of any statements or opinions based thereon, are not guaranteed. The reader assumes all risks in using information posted or archived by ProMED-mail. ISID and its associated service providers shall not be held responsible for errors or omissions or held liable for any damages incurred as a result of use or reliance upon posted or archived material. ************************************************** ********** Become a ProMED-mail Premium Subscriber at ************************************************** ********** Visit ProMED-mail's web site at . Send all items for posting to: promed@promedmail.org (NOT to an individual moderator). If you do not give your full name and affiliation, it may not be posted. Send commands to subscribe/unsubscribe, get archives, help, etc. to: majordomo@promedmail.org. For assistance from a human being send mail to: owner-promed@promedmail.org. ################################################## ########## ################################################## ########## http://www.promedmail.com/pls/otn/f?..._ID:1000,79041 __________________ I am a college Student. My Favorite Quote by my favorite president: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." -Franklin Delano Roosevelt, U.S. President-March 4, 1933 – April 12, 1945 Rwilmer View Public Profile Visit Rwilmer's homepage! Find all posts by Rwilmer

Canadian-guerilla | 09-02-2009 09:06 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Governor Issues Dire H1N1 Flu Warning About 9 Million May Get Bug, Schwarzenegger Says UPDATED: 7:49 pm PDT September 1, 2009 RICHMOND, Calif. -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger issued a serious warning Tuesday about the H1N1 flu virus, predicting that one in four Californians -- or about 9 million people -- may get the bug this fall and winter. "It could take thousands of lives," Schwarzenegger said during a visit to a state lab in Richmond that analyzes H1N1 cases. "I don't want to alarm people, but this is not a typical flu." Schwarzenegger said the federal government has told California that a vaccine for H1N1 will be available by mid-October. The governor anticipates the largest vaccination effort in California since shots to combat polio were administered in the 1950s. Dr. Mark Horton, California's health officer, also emphasized the potential danger of the H1N1 virus. "This is a novel virus," Horton said. "We expect widespread infections. Millions will get sick, thousands will have to be hospitalized and some will die." Schwarzenegger is asking state lawmakers to release $46 million in federal funds that will be used to help the Richmond lab prepare for the expected flu outbreak. The state set up CalPanFlu.org to allow doctors, clinics and others to register to receive a supply of the vaccine. http://www.kcra.com/mostpopular/20672860/detail.html http://www.calpanflu.org/header.gif

Canadian-guerilla | 09-02-2009 09:15 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Napolitano: 'Big Influx' of new infections likely 54 mins ago WASHINGTON – Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Wednesday that people should expect "a big influx" of swine flu cases this fall and prepare as best they can. "The best thing we all can do are the very simple things, the washing of the hands, the coughing into the sleeve," Napolitano said in a nationally broadcast interview. " ... We're in all likelihood going to have them (new infections) before the vaccine is available." Napolitano was among a host of Cabinet officers who briefed President Barack Obama Tuesday on the federal government's preparations and planning for the fall. Another of those Cabinet members, Education Secretary Arne Duncan, said in a separate interview that it's critically important to keep schools open and education uninterrupted. "We got a little bit lucky" in the last school year, he said, because the H1N1 didn't surface until very near the end of the academic year. "We're not going to be so lucky this year," Duncan added, "so the more we're prepared, the more we're talking ... the better we're going to be able to handle this as a country, the more we're going to be able to keep our schools open." There have been over 550 deaths in the United States from H1N1 and a scientific advisory panel recently sent the White House a report saying it was possible that anywhere from 30 percent to half the population could catch what doctors call "2009 H1N1" and that it was also possible there could be between 30,000 and 90,000 deaths. "Everything we've seen in the U.S. and everything we've seen around the world suggests we won't see that kind of number if the virus doesn't change," Dr. Thomas Frieden, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said in a C-SPAN interview last week. In her interview Wednesday on NBC's "Today" show, Napolitano was asked why the government isn't requiring all Americans to get the swine flu vaccine, once it's available. "Because health programs generally aren't mandatory, and you get pushback to that," she replied. She also reiterated statements that administration officials had made earlier, saying the initial supplies of vaccine should go to people most susceptible to the virus like young children, pregnant women and people with certain health problems such as asthma. Napolitano noted that Congress has appropriated billions of dollars to buy vaccine supplies and said she believed more money could be approved if necessary. "This is a changing environment," she said. "We'll have to deal with it day by day." Asked if her Homeland Security Department was moving toward prohibiting sick people from boarding commercial aircraft, she said that decision would be left to the individual airlines. Duncan, appearing on ABC's "Good Morning America," said federal officials want to make sure that every young person between 5-24 get the vaccine, free of charge. He praised efforts by states and localities to get ready for new infections, saying planning is going forward. "What you're seeing around the country is an outbreak of common sense," Duncan said. Obama on Tuesday urged Americans to take steps to prevent infection. "I don't want anybody to be alarmed, but I do want everyone to be prepared," the president said after getting a briefing on swine flu preparedness. Vaccine development is ongoing and is likely to be available by October. Certain groups are more vulnerable to swine flu, including children under 2, pregnant women and people with health problems like asthma, diabetes and heart disease. Like the seasonal flu, swine flu spreads through coughs and sneezes of people who are sick. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090902/...s_us_swine_flu

DMac00 | 09-02-2009 10:08 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Tennessee School Closings Raise Pandemic Concerns Recombinomics Commentary 11:13 September 2, 2009 Quote:
Mounting illnesses have forced the Alcoa City Schools to close through Labor Day. The 1,800-student system decided Tuesday to extend the holiday for its elementary school, middle school and high school after the absentee rate hit 30 percent. Normally it's around 5 percent. According to Director of Schools Tom Shamblin, some of the illnesses are confirmed flu cases. Other illnesses included stomach viruses, fevers and upper respiratory infections. Shamblin said middle schoolers were impacted the most, with a nearly 30% absentee rate. he above comments describe a large pandemic H1N1 outbreak in schools in Alcoa, TN, which is just south of Knoxville (see zoomed map). Although other schools in the area also have high absenteeism rates (see broader view), they have followed the CDC recommendations on keeping schools open. These other schools also cite a wide range of symptoms, as noted above. All of these symptoms have been previously reported for swine flu, and it is likely that the vast majority of these students are H1N1 infected. The number of infected students is much high than confirmed cases, due to limited testing of patients who meet the CDC case definition, as well as the high frequency of infections which do not develop a fever (and therefore do not meet the H1N1 case definition). The absence of fever has been reported previously in Mexico and Chile, but a fever is included in the CDC case definition, so the symptoms listed for hospitalized H1N1 confirmed cases is 93%, leading many to assume the lack of a fever signals the lack of infection. Consequently, a runny nose is frequently diagnosed as allergies, and gastro-intestinal problems are called "stomach flu", and other flu-like symptoms are called "upper respiratory infections" and in some cases an influenza A positive result is interpreted as seasonal or "normal" flu, even though 99% of influenza A positive patients at this time are swine flu because the traditional flu season has not begun. Thus, the swine flu cases are easily noticed, even though the diagnoses, as seen above, are incorrect. These misdiagnoses, especially those which attribute symptoms to allergies, lead to more H1N1 infections because these students come to school, and remain in school because they have no fever. Moreover, the lack of testing leads to misconceptions about the H1N1 frequency in the area. This lack of testing has been prevalent for months, so confirmed cases suggest that H1N1 levels in the region are low, and the explosion of cases creates "sticker shock" for returning students and parents. The high level of infections cited above is not limited to Tennessee. H1N1 is widespread throughout the south because the school year began in early August. However, high levels are being reported elsewhere. Almost 30% of students are also absent in Iowa, where there were large outbreaks last spring and around Marshalltown (see map). However, the limited number of swine flu testing kits shipped by the CDC precluded testing of the hundreds of symptomatic patients at the local clinic. Therefore these patients were not confirmed, even though attending physicians were certain that the patients were H1N1 infected. Thus, the limited testing of H1N1 coupled with a case definition that includes fever has led to a significant under-reporting of cases, even in schools were absenteeism is approaching 30%. Moreover, sick students without fever continue to attend school, leading to massive outbreaks as described above. Therefore the explosion of cases in the south is likely to spread throughout the northern hemisphere as a new flu season begins in the absence of an effective vaccine and amid growing concerns of antiviral resistance.

DMac00 | 09-02-2009 10:48 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread The government is planning for forced vaccines and quarantines. Be prepared. http://i26.tinypic.com/2rr0xeq.png FL Quarantine to Detention Facility Order Apr 09 252 Quote:
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grinningdog | 09-02-2009 10:55 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread We saw our family doctor yesterday and he said we could get our regular flu shot on Oct 1. He still was not sure then we could get the h1n1 shot but hopefully shortly after that.

Canadian-guerilla | 09-02-2009 11:02 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Mandatory Swine Flu vaccination for U.S. military WASHINGTON � All military personnel will be vaccinated against the H1N1 flu virus, and the vaccine will be available to all military family members who want it, a Defense Department health official said Wednesday. The H1N1 vaccination program will begin in early October, said Army Lt. Col. (Dr.) Wayne Hachey, director of preventive medicine for Defense Department health affairs. The vaccine, which has been licensed by the Food and Drug Administration, will be mandatory for uniformed personnel, the colonel said. �What we want to do is target those people who are at highest risk for transmission,� he said. Health-care workers, deploying troops, those serving on ships and submarines, and new accessions are at the top of the list. �Any place where we take a lot of people, squash them all together and get them nice and close and put them under stressful conditions will get the vaccine first,� he said. The department will use the usual seasonal flu vaccine distribution chain for the H1N1, Hachey said, noting that while the mass H1N1 vaccinations are new to the general population, the process for vaccinating against seasonal flu is old hat for the Defense Department. �We�ve been doing this for decades,� the colonel said. �The system is tried and true.� The department initially will receive 1 million doses of the H1N1 vaccine, and another 1.7 million doses later in October. Officials don�t know yet whether people will need one dose or two, Hachey said. �The assumption right now is that people will need two doses, 21 days apart,� he said. �That may change.� FDA officials still are studying H1N1 and the vaccine, and the results should be known by the end of the month. Seasonal flu vaccine already is available, and the Defense Department will begin giving those shots shortly, Hachey said. �That has been our message to immunizers: to try and get as many people as they can immunized against the seasonal flu early,� he said. Guidelines for giving priority to family members will follow those for the general population, Hachey said. The Department of Health and Human Services is buying millions of doses of the vaccine. �Installations are going to register with each state as an immunizer,� Hachey said. �They will tell how many people they care for. This includes dependents, retirees and so on.� The Centers for Disease Control will place the order and will ship the vaccine where needed. Family members will have multiple opportunities to get the vaccine, whether at Defense Department medical facilities or off post, Hachey said. The CDC has established target groups for those at greatest risk for transmitting or being affected by the H1N1. They include pregnant women, health-care workers, those younger than 25 or older than 65, and those with pre-existing health conditions. Hachey said previous plans are serving the Defense Department well. �We have been preparing for pandemic flu because of its potential impact on the mission,� he said. The symptoms of the H1N1 flu are almost the same as the seasonal flu: fever, sore throat, runny nose, nausea, muscle aches and feeling rundown. The 2009 H1N1 virus � formerly known as swine flu � is a pandemic virus, according to the World Health Organization. U.S. officials call the virus �troubling� and urge communities across the United States to take actions to mitigate the effects of it. The federal government is urging states and municipalities to begin preparing now for the fall flu season. President Barack Obama addressed the H1N1 pandemic following a White House meeting today. �As I said when we saw the first cases of this virus back in the spring, I don�t want anybody to be alarmed, but I do want everybody to be prepared,� he said. �We know that we usually get a second, larger wave of these flu viruses in the fall, and so response plans have been put in place across all levels of government.� http://www.vancouverite.com/2009/09/...-u-s-military/

Canadian-guerilla | 09-02-2009 11:28 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Flu could hobble U.S. economy Last Updated: 2nd September 2009 WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The intersection this week of the fourth anniversary of hurricane Katrina and the White House push on national swine flu preparedness is, to use this summer's term, a "teachable moment" in health and economic convergence. The notion that health issues and economic issues are interconnected is something we understand intuitively from our own lives, especially in a place where health care is both a fiscal crisis and a personal financial anxiety. Traditionally, they haven't been approached that way by policymakers. Health issues have been relegated to the "soft" economic side of government policy making, implicitly politicized as social issues in terms of fiscal prioritization. The strongest political driver for changing that approach has been the truism that when people go hungry (or get sick, or drown), governments topple. But it tends to kick in ad hoc, as damage control, not pre-emptively. I spent a year recently immersed in health and economic convergence working for Laurette Dube, a consulting client and the McGill University management professor who actually coined the term in setting up the McGill World Platform for Health and Economic Convergence. The MWP is a combination real and virtual think-tank and research centre whose premise is so smart, Dube is already working with the Grameen Foundation and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation before the platform is actually launched in November. After five years of conferences examining chronic obesity as a health and economic scourge, Dube applied what her global academic, business, NGO and government network revealed about the connections among the neuroscience of individual choice, corporate decisions from marketing to corporate social responsibility, government policy from nutrition labelling to taxation and the intricacies of global health diplomacy in conceiving the MWP. Dube's operating principle is that if all the players who make decisions about issues and crises at the convergence of health and economics at every level actually consult each other within a global, multi-sector approach, countless lives and an awful lot of money will be saved. When hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans four years ago, economic disparities became clear in the racial breakdown of the death toll and in the neighbourhoods most ravaged by destruction. OBVIOUS IMPACT In the months that followed, scientists began filling in the blanks on the link between climate change and catastrophic weather while NGOs filled in the gap of reconstruction. The health impact was obvious in the loss of life and the economic impact is still being felt. Washington is bracing itself this week as the policy ground zero of a possible swine flu epidemic this fall, with the president briefed yesterday at the White House by health, commerce and national security officials. The economic impact of H1N1 was best captured in Wall Street's infection after the virus emerged in April, but an epidemic or pandemic here would have a much greater impact in lost productivity and travel chill, aside from the human toll. In a recent piece from Botswana, New York Times writer Thomas Friedman, a respected visionary on global economic issues, made a plea for cross-sector policy collaboration based on how integrated solutions sustain systems in nature. That alone could help shift thinking just in time for Dube's new Canada-based global venture. http://www.torontosun.com/comment/co...14391-sun.html

Canadian-guerilla | 09-02-2009 11:32 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Sep 1, 2009 4:58 am US/Eastern Hands-Off Plan: Schools Ban Touching To Fight H1N1 Glen Cove District Students Urged To Have No Skin-On-Skin Contact With Swine Flu Outbreak Looming Parents Told To Provide Kids With Tissues, Hand Sanitizer, Ibuprofen http://wcbstv.com/health/h1n1.swine.flu.2.1155084.html

MNeagle | 09-03-2009 10:41 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread H1N1 flu sends 100 4-H kids home from MN State Fair The H1N1 flu has hit the Minnesota State Fair, prompting 4-H officials to send more than 100 children home after four tested positive for the disease. The four cases were detected "during the past 40 hours," prompting program officials to call parents this morning, telling them to pick up their kids, said 4-H superintendent Brad Rugg. Rugg said 4-H officials are working with state health officials "to be sure that the fair is a safe place and that the 4-H building is a safe place." A Health Department spokesman said the four flu cases had been confirmed, but declined to provide details. The 4-Hers who are being sent home are part of a performing arts troupe that spends the entire 12-day run of the fair living in a dormitory known as the 4-H Hilton. In total, more than 6,000 boys and girls come to the fair during its run, spending a few days or less there, he said. "They called me at 7 and told me to come get my son," said Thief River Falls resident John Holland. "They said they were just doing this as a precaution after they came up with the confirmed cases." Rugg said the children with the confirmed cases were tested "after the same flu-like symptoms were coming up too often." He said the organization has no plans to close the dorm or the adjacent 4-H building. "We're going to make our buildings as safe as we can so we can continue our program for the rest of the fair," he said. The H1N1 flu strain, more commonly called swine flu, was discovered this spring and has genetic parts of swine, avian and human flus, but it has not been detected in any U.S. pigs. It is spread from person to person, rather than animal to human. Early in the fair's run, crowds were unusually thin in the Swine Barn, prompting speculation that fear of so-called swine flu was keeping people away. http://www.startribune.com/local/56924807.html Four tested postive, so 100 go home? What do you think???? MNeagle

MNeagle | 09-03-2009 12:36 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swine Flu Update: Liveblogging the CDC Press Conference . 9/3/09 Thomas Frieden, the head of the CDC, is giving an update today on the H1N1 flu (aka swine flu). We’ll be liveblogging the event, which should start any minute now. 12:19: The conference begins. 12:20: “H1N1 influenza is here. It is spreading in parts of the U.S., particularly the southeast.” But so far, everything we’ve seen “shows that the virus has not changed to become more deadly.” It will affect lots of people, but most of them will not be severely ill.” 12:21: Nevertheless, the flu is unpredictable. “We have to be ready and prepared to change our approach depending on what the virus does.” 12:22 Reports from South America show that the severity and the death rate have remained steady and have not increased. 12:23 He’s discussing an MMWR study that’s out today on death in 36 children from H1N1. In two-thirds of those cases children had underlying disabilities before they got sick. 12:24: Children who died who did not have underlying disability in some cases had a secondary bacterial infection. That’s an important message — if you have the flu, and you start to get better, then you get worse again, you may be suffering from a secondary, bacterial infection. 12:25 He mentions that the Institute of Medicine released just released a report on protecting health care workers from influenza. 12:27: Vaccine will be available by the middle of October. The vaccine will be free. Some providers may charge to give the vaccine. “My kids will get the vaccine when it becomes available,” and he recommends that all schoolchildren should get it. 12:29 We are looking closely at adverse events. In an average flu season around a half a million pregnant women get vaccinated. Pregnant women are more likely to get severely ill from flu. There will be adverse event reports. But the important question is, are adverse events occurring more frequently in people who get vaccinated than in people who do not get vaccinated? 12:31 For most people with the flu there’s no reason to see a doctor or go to the emergency department, unless you’re severely ill (with symptoms such as severe difficulty breathing) or you have an underlying medical condition. http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2009/09/...ss-conference/ Quote:
In two-thirds of those cases children had underlying disabilities before they got sick.
WTH??? Disabilities?????

dysgenic | 09-04-2009 12:27 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Today I was reading about swine flu. It was suggested from several sources that the most vulnerable to this disease tend to be the very young. Then I considered that most of this mandatory vaccination is aimed at young people (students, daycare, etc). Then it hit me-- Could this be a double bubble? In other words, those that catch swine flu get sick and die, those that take the vaccination get sick and die... if one of them doesn't get you, the other one will. This fits in very nicely to TPTB 'population reduction' strategy (and both reducing the most important demographic from the perspective of someone trying to execute this plan). Anyone else thinks this is a possibility?

dimitri | 09-04-2009 03:22 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by dysgenic (Post 1903197) Today I was reading about swine flu. It was suggested from several sources that the most vulnerable to this disease tend to be the very young. Then I considered that most of this mandatory vaccination is aimed at young people (students, daycare, etc). Then it hit me-- Could this be a double bubble? In other words, those that catch swine flu get sick and die, those that take the vaccination get sick and die... if one of them doesn't get you, the other one will. This fits in very nicely to TPTB 'population reduction' strategy (and both reducing the most important demographic from the perspective of someone trying to execute this plan). Anyone else thinks this is a possibility?
I don't think that taking out the youth is the way to go for them, the youth being the 13-28 year old crowd, they seem to be the most indoctrinated and the most willing to join youth brigades and not stand up against tyranny.

dysgenic | 09-04-2009 05:42 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by dimitri (Post 1903342) I don't think that taking out the youth is the way to go for them, the youth being the 13-28 year old crowd, they seem to be the most indoctrinated and the most willing to join youth brigades and not stand up against tyranny.
I completely disagree. I think the youth are among the LEAST indocrinated. Maybe you have a point when they are very young, but after borrowing a fortune to attend a college that they were supposed to attend to get a job that they were supposed to get (but didn't) to support a family that they were supposed to be able to afford (but can't) to buying a house that was supposed to be their piece of the American Dream (which they can't, and even if they do they will take a bath on it), these same indoctrinated folks tend to get pretty pissed off.

JJ_ | 09-04-2009 12:01 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread WHO Admits to Releasing Pandemic Virus into Population via 'Mock-Up' Vaccines Posted by: Dr. Mercola September 03 2009 http://articles.mercola.com/imageser...9.3vaccine.jpgThe document on the WHO website linked below states that it is common procedure to release pandemic viruses into the population in order to get a jump ahead of the real pandemic, so as to fast track the vaccine for when it is needed. In Europe, some manufacturers have conducted advance studies using a so-called "mock-up" vaccine. Mock-up vaccines contain an active ingredient for an influenza virus that has not circulated recently in human populations and thus mimics the novelty of a pandemic virus. According to the website, �Such advance studies can greatly expedite regulatory approval."<!--Session data--> Sources: http://articles.mercola.com/Themes/m...ges/bullet.gif World Health Organization More: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-Vaccines.aspx

Canadian-guerilla | 09-04-2009 12:35 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread No H1N1 flu vaccine for kids under 3 Published: Sept. 4, 2009 at 11:44 AM STOCKHOLM, Sweden, Sept. 4 (UPI) -- A government agency in Sweden is recommending that children under the age of 3 not be given the H1N1 swine flu vaccine. The Swedish Medical Products Agency says a proper dose for that age group hasn't been established, Sweden's The Local newspaper reported Friday. "Before this data is compiled ... the vaccine is considered suitable only for children with underlying risk factors," the agency said in a statement. A risk/benefit analysis indicates children younger than 6 months should not be given the H1N1 flu vaccine at all, the agency says. In the case of pregnant women, the agency is recommending the vaccine be given as early as possible. The agency recommendations were compiled in cooperation with the Swedish Pediatric Association and are supported by the country's National Board of Health and Welfare, The Local said. http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2009/...0831252079069/

DMac00 | 09-04-2009 01:09 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Dr. Henry Niman of Recombinomics on Rense radio last night: http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/...man_090309.mp3 Niman's latest article: Explosion in Student Deaths Linked to School Openings

AOW | 09-04-2009 02:27 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...wineflu04.html Some 2,000 reported sick with swine flu at WSU PULLMAN — Washington State University officials say more than 2,000 students have been sickened by swine flu during the first two weeks of classes on the Pullman campus. By The Associated Press PULLMAN — Washington State University officials say more than 2,000 students have been sickened by swine flu during the first two weeks of classes on the Pullman campus. But Saturday's football game between Stanford and Washington State will go on as scheduled. School officials say there have been no deaths and no students have required hospitalization. Dr. Dennis Garcia says most students suffer three to five days of discomfort. The school is handing out free flu kits including a thermometer, painkillers, throat lozenges, sport drinks, hand sanitizer and tissues.

PatColo | 09-05-2009 01:09 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread More from TheFluCase.com, go there to read the stories, * Alleged "swine flu" victims died from the bird flu, says CDC * UK medical officer predicts fewer deaths from "swine flu" in "second pandemic wave" * WHO pandemic declaration over "swine" flu alarmist and unjustified, argues MIT expert * Belgians demand answers over the "swine flu" graves: Irish revolt against the EU's Lisbon Treaty gathers pace * BIll to turn US schools into vaccination centers moves through Congress * Austrian police chief investigating Baxter forced to resign * Pfizer pleads guilty to felony crime and fraudulent marketing, has to pay 2.3 billion in fines * WHO Admits to Releasing Pandemic Virus into Population via 'Mock-Up' Vaccines * Criminal charges to be filed against French Minister of Health and Interior of secret mass vaccination document * EMERGENCY UPDATE: Maine under martial law: Governor proclaims civil emergency over "swine flu" pandemic. WHO and Rockefeller takes charge * CDC H1N1 forced qurantine docs leak * Taxpayers fund bumper pharma "swine flu" profits * Is Baxter preparing to put nano chips into the "swine flu" jab? * French doctor calls for resistance to the "Beast" of forced "swine flu" vaccinations * Novartis produces one-shot toxic "swine flu" jab * Immunocontraceptive hidden in the flu vaccine * Quebec moves under military rule of WHO * European medicines agency admits "swine flu" vaccination is a huge biological experiment * Help support this fight for liberty * CLG updates: Forced "swine flu" vaccination of US military starts October * Police in Massachusetts unhappy with forced vaccination plans, says Bob Dwyer * Massachusetts Senate imposes martial law over "swine flu pandemic" * ���� Support this fight ���� * ��� Translate for www.theflucase.com - translation of articles wanted ��� * US legal document from May paves way for forced mass vaccinations on orders of WHO * No virulent "swine flu" mutation likely, say US researchers * Baxter starts clinical trials in Austria: more info on the trials soon * Sanofi's "swine flu clinical trials" exclude pregnant women and the sick even though these are priority groups for swine flu jab * Fatality caused by flu jab interacting with warfarin * Routine manipulation of data for clinical drug trials criticised * H1N1 unlikely to mutate into 'superbug': U.S. study * WHO ignores scientific evidence, says The Lancet * Chance of being struck by lightning 40 times higher than having your life saved by swine flu vaccine: Mike Adams does the maths * Microchip implants ready for use with swine flu vaccine * Daily Mail satirises UK government "swine flu" hysteria and predictions of 100,000 cases a day in August * Sketch: Rebecca Campbell goes to a CDC "swine flu" jab meeting and aks: where is free speech? * US nurses union wins legal action against forced vaccinations * Eli Lilly exec says he bribed Swedish medical professors to get licences for dangerous medicines * Details of French document setting up "secure" vacine centers to give "entire population" swine flu jab * Baxter in Austria patents viral vaccine in March 2009 * Baxter sponsored EU meeting to prepare for a "pandemic" in 2006 * IOWA QUARANTINE ORDER SURFACES: Go into quarantine or be imprisoned * IMPORTANT UPDATE and Austrian file numbers for the Baxter case * UK doctor criticises telephone hotlines' incorrect diagnosis of "swine flu" * US government officials appear to be unaware of WHO's extraordinary powers in a pandemic "emergency" * WHO claims "swine flu" spreading at "unbelievable, almost unheard of speed" without any data * Well known scientist says WHO altered pandemic criteria for the profit of big pharma * Canadian doctor Ghislaine Lanctot to give webcast on WHO Pandemic Vaccine Operation again, see TheFluCase.com for links to read.

PatColo | 09-05-2009 04:37 PM
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ColdWater | 09-05-2009 11:16 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread The top story in Google's Health section. This isn't the first story I've seen this week where a child without underlying conditions went home sick from school and died 24hrs later. What's troubling is no one can tell me why these children are dieing from a mild flu? Parents are going to have to catch on shortly if multiple kids start dieing every day within the next few weeks. Link to schools with H1N1 and deaths. Deaths aren't immediately recorded. http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum/...&t=34&p=70#p70 Quote:
Fairbanks child dies of probable swine flu infection Posted: Sep 05, 2009 8:59 PM by Channel 2 News staff Saturday, September 5, 2009 ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Alaska has recorded its first likely child fatality from swine flu. A 10-year-old Fairbanks child has died from symptoms of probable H1N1 or swine flu virus, the state Department of Health and Social Services said. A school nurse sent the child home around noon on Thursday with flu symptoms and the child was admitted to the Fairbanks Memorial Hospital overnight. After not responding well to treatment, the child was transported to Providence Alaska Medical Center in Anchorage and was pronounced dead late in the evening on Friday. The child was a student of Hunter Elementary School in the Fairbanks North Star Borough School District and did not have any underlying medical conditions.
Full story http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=11082842

The White Rabbit | 09-06-2009 02:37 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by ColdWater (Post 1906459) The top story in Google's Health section. This isn't the first story I've seen this week where a child without underlying conditions went home sick from school and died 24hrs later. What's troubling is no one can tell me why these children are dieing from a mild flu? Parents are going to have to catch on shortly if multiple kids start dieing every day within the next few weeks. Link to schools with H1N1 and deaths. Deaths aren't immediately recorded. http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum/...&t=34&p=70#p70 Full story http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=11082842
After not responding well to treatment. What was the treatment? Maybe the child died because of the treatment.

Canadian-guerilla | 09-06-2009 09:09 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Nurses Association demands medical masks be mandatory to protect against swine flu Saturday, September 5th 2009, 4:00 AM Nurses across the state are demanding medical masks that effectively protect them from swine flu. A day after scientists said health care workers who come in close contact with flu patients should wear an N95 respirator, the New York State Nurses Association rallied its 37,000 members. In an open letter to State Commissioner of Health Richard Daines, the association called for respirators to be standard in New York, saying airborne germs are a "clear hazard for workers." "Surgical face masks are not sufficient and particles can get through," said registered nurse Renee Gecsedi, the association's director of education practice and research. Claire Pospisil, spokesperson for the State Department of Health, said the state's current guidelines are adequate and that nurses will be protected by mandatory vaccinations. N95 respirators, which have filters and a tight seal, can be up to 12 times more effective than surgical masks against airborne swine flu germs, according to Institute of Medicine scientists, who advise the federal government. As nurses worried about their own health, federal officials urged day care and Head Start workers, as well as parents of kids under 5, to take special swine flu precautions. "We know this is a young person's flu," said Kathleen Sebelius, U.S. secretary of Health and Human Services. "Children less than 5 years old are at higher risk for complications. Children spread flu quickly." She said little kids and people in close contact with them should get the regular flu shot now, and added that feds plan to quickly distribute the H1N1 vaccine to day care and Head Start centers once it is available. http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...#ixzz0QGcYF2Sg

Brio | 09-06-2009 09:12 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread One case where a child was misdiagnosed with swine flu, she dies of meningitis http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/au...iagnosis-death

Canadian-guerilla | 09-06-2009 09:18 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swine flu victim wasn't isolated from other people in hospital Updated 02:59 p.m., September 4, 2009 PORT ST. LUCIE � Jason Schenck had a fever of 102.7 degrees on Aug. 15 before he went to the hospital. His cough, normally blamed on asthma, was worse than usual. He had a sore throat and chills. �He just didn�t look right,� Jason�s mother Maryellen Schenck said Friday. Jason, 23, died Tuesday at St. Lucie Medical Center from complications of swine flu. Maryellen Schenck said the hospital staff never took precautions to isolate her son from other people in the emergency department waiting room. St. Lucie Medical Center and Lawnwood Regional Medical Center & Heart Institute, which are both owned by HCA Inc., began isolating patients with flu-like symptoms Sept. 1, spokeswoman Jana Eschbach said. In normal years, this preventative measure wouldn�t start until Oct.1 � the start of the traditional flu season � but Eschbach said the hospitals began earlier this year because of the H1N1 flu strain. Other Treasure Coast hospitals also are isolating patients with flu-like symptoms and, in some cases, having them wear medical masks. But Schenck said that didn�t happen in her son�s case. Before taking Jason to the emergency department on Aug. 15, Schenck said she called the family doctor, who said the symptoms sounded like the flu. The doctor advised the family to take Jason to the hospital and told them to expect to be separated from other patients once they got there. At the hospital, Schenck made Jason wait in a hallway while she asked emergency department staff if he needed to be isolated because of his flu-like symptoms. �I didn�t want anybody else to get sick,� Schenck said. But Jason was told to wait with everyone else. Schenck said a doctor diagnosed Jason with flu and sent him home, but hospital officials said he was released because he didn�t meet federal guidelines for flu. Jason�s fever was below 100 degrees and a swab test for flu came back negative, spokeswoman Eschbach said. Four days later, Jason was even sicker. Schenck brought him back to St. Lucie Medical Center and again asked if he needed to be isolated from other patients in the emergency department, this time explaining her son had been diagnosed with flu. Again, Schenck said, she was told no. Jason waited with everyone else until a doctor could see him. An X-ray showed pneumonia, Schenck said, and her son was admitted. Still, no precautions � no masks, no isolation � were taken until two days into Jason�s hospital stay, when a test came back positive for the H1N1 strain of influenza, Schenck said. H1N1 tests are sent to a state lab in Jacksonville and take three days to complete. The St. Lucie County Health Department, which keeps track of swine flu deaths for state and federal counts, does not announce individual deaths because of concern for family privacy, spokeswoman Arlease Hall said. The health department didn�t confirm Jason�s death until two days after he died. http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/sep/...other-people-/

Canadian-guerilla | 09-06-2009 09:21 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread “World leaders can catch swine flu at summits in US” 04 September, 2009, At least 625 people were reported to have died from swine flu in the last week, bringing the total number of deaths from the virus to nearly 3,000. And with two major international conferences scheduled in the US in the near future, many think that it could be the perfect time and place for the swine flu to hit again. “If they are taking some precautions, they are certainly not advertising them,” investigative journalist Wayne Madsen told RT. “We’ve got almost 200 leaders gathering in New York for the UN General Assembly on September 23 and later that week at least 20 of them will be going to Pittsburgh for the G20 summit. So if they don’t get the flu in New York, there’s a good chance that they’ll get it in Pittsburgh.” http://www.russiatoday.com/Top_News/...d-leaders.html

Canadian-guerilla | 09-06-2009 09:25 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Back-to-School What's Your Swine Flu Game Plan? 09.04.09, 04:00 PM EDT With swine flu expected to affect one in three people this year, families need to plan ahead. Now's the time to start thinking about it. As any working parent knows, a sick child in the family can pose a wrenching workplace dilemma. We've all been there: a deadline looming, a spouse with an important meeting planned, and a little one at home with a fever or a stuffy, runny nose. But with experts predicting a potentially staggering outbreak--a pandemic perhaps--of the H1N1 flu virus this season, it has never been more important for working parents to plan ahead. For one thing, the H1N1 virus, also known as swine flu, comes on suddenly, potentially leaving those who have been infected with little time to make arrangements. "This is not like a cold where you can feel yourself starting to get sick," warns Dr. Laurie A. Rubenstein, a pediatrician in Redwood City, Calif. "With this virus, you are probably just as sick on day one as you are on day six. You get a fever and chills, and you are glassy-eyed and uncomfortable for six or seven days." (Swine flu symptoms are the same as regular flu symptoms: fever, body aches, chills and sore throat with possible vomiting or diarrhea.) What's more, with the nation's schools and daycare centers working keenly to prevent the spread of swine flu among their youngsters, there will be significantly less tolerance for people bringing mildly ill kids to school. "If your kid has a 100-degree temperature and a little cough, they are telling you not to come to daycare. Parents who used to just shrug that off as teething symptoms are going to find themselves at home with their children," says Rubenstein. Protect Yourself http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/04/swi...ccination.html

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Canadian-guerilla | 09-06-2009 09:32 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Mass Vaccination Hubs Are Part of D.C. Swine Flu Plan Saturday, September 5, 2009 District officials said Friday that they are working to set up mass vaccination centers, potentially at city recreation centers, as part of a broad push to minimize the number of people sickened by swine flu this fall and beyond. A network of doctor offices, schools, clinics and hospitals is also being put together for the vaccinations. The city will update its flu Web site with case counts and recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and it is preparing radio and TV spots. "We're a lot further than we were just a few short weeks ago. And we're monitoring what other states are doing to make sure we're not missing anything," D.C. Mayor Adrian M. Fenty said, adding that city preparations are "on par" with what he has seen elsewhere. Fenty (D) appealed to business owners to be far-sighted about encouraging employees to stay home if they are sick, even if that means taking a financial hit. "Being very proactive at the beginning will save businesses a lot of money," he said. Spotlighting some of the high-risk groups that will get priority when the vaccine is released -- it is expected in October -- Fenty and other officials outlined the city's plans outside Mary's Center, a maternal and child health clinic in Adams Morgan. Clinic doctors in the District and in Silver Spring provide 19,500 immunizations a year. "This may be nothing, and yet it may be big," said Mark R. Fracasso, the center's vice president of medicine. Fracasso met this week to discuss strategy with D.C. health officials and doctors from clinics across the city. As cases of swine flu prompt more residents to seek care or vaccinations, officials and physicians don't want hospitals to be inundated. "We're going to be the first line," Fracasso said. Pierre Vigilance, director of the D.C. Department of Health, said officials want residents' own doctors to handle the bulk of the vaccinations if possible. Higher-risk groups will get the initial shots or nose sprays, with the general population to follow. But for the significant numbers of people who don't have access to medical care, large-scale vaccination sites will be in place. Schools will be used, and Vigilance said recreation centers are being considered. "They are relatively large, they have been strategically located around the city, they have gymnasiums" big enough to handle crowds, Vigilance said, "so you could get a lot of people taken care of." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...c-metro&sub=AR

pat pat | 09-06-2009 10:16 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Jenny Lake "pandemic unfolding" http://jenniferlake.wordpress.com/20...mic-unfolding/

MNeagle | 09-06-2009 10:34 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Whole subsection devoted to swine flu: http://www.reuters.com/news/globalcoverage/swineflu

Canadian-guerilla | 09-06-2009 10:43 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Lungs of fatal swine flu patients badly damaged Updated Thu. Sep. 3 2009 9:59 AM ET TORONTO -- The lungs of people who have died from swine flu look more like those of the victims of H5N1 avian influenza than those of people who succumb to regular flu, the chief of infectious diseases pathology at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control says. Study of about 70 fatal H1N1 cases so far also reveals there may be more incidences of co-infections with bacteria than was earlier thought, Dr. Sherif Zaki told The Canadian Press in an interview. The damage to lung tissue is consistent with that inflicted by ARDS or acute respiratory distress symptom, Zaki says, referring to an often-fatal, difficult-to-treat syndrome that can have a number of causes. The U.S. National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute estimates about 30 per cent of people who develop ARDS die. "In terms of the disease, yes, it (H1N1) is remarkably different than seasonal flu," Zaki says. "The pathology looks very similar to H5(N1)." The dangerous avian flu virus has killed 60 per cent of the 440 people known to have been infected with it. To date, though, the virus hasn't acquired the capacity to spread easily from person to person. The swine flu patients who went on to die suffered lung damage and changes in the lungs that would have made it difficult to deliver enough oxygen into their bloodstreams, Zaki says. That reflects the observation of intensive care doctors who've struggled to save these profoundly ill patients. "That's what they saw in Winnipeg," Dr. Paul Hebert, an intensive care physician and editor of the Canadian Medical Association Journal, said recently of how hard it is to oxygenate swine flu patients who become gravely ill. "They have everybody on experimental ventilators and techniques. They can barely keep them alive." A number of doctors who have treated novel H1N1 patients -- and colleagues who haven't yet -- were meeting in Winnipeg this week discussing what steps hospitals and ICUs need to take to get ready for an expected increase in pandemic flu cases this fall and winter. Zaki says finding ways to prevent cases from progressing to severe illness should be the goal, "because once it happens in these patients . . . it's very difficult to treat." Strikingly high levels of virus were spotted in the lungs of people who died rapidly from swine flu, he says, though less is seen in those who die after a longer battle with the virus. "Some people die very quickly of it, within days. And some have more protracted illness, maybe two, three weeks," he says. "It's surprising the amounts (of virus) that you see.... But it's not unheard of," he adds, pointing to what was seen with SARS. Earlier studies conducted in tissue culture and in ferrets -- the best animal model for human flu -- found the new virus is drawn to tissue found deep in the lung. That's a penchant it shares with H5N1. Seasonal flu viruses attack the upper airways. Zaki says about a third of the fatal cases his team has reviewed involved co-infection with a bacterium, though the culprit varies. Sometimes it is Staphylococcus aureus -- the drug-resistant kind, known by the nickname MRSA and antibiotic-sensitive varieties as well. Some cases have involved group A Streptococcus. And some have been co-infection with Streptococcus pneumoniae. "Those are the main three that we found." "It was not very clear initially," Zaki adds of the frequency with which co-infection seems to occur in these cases. "But the more we studied, the more we realized that these do happen." He suggests pneumococcal vaccine, used in the elderly to lower the risk of pneumonia, could be a useful tool if given to younger people. The highest numbers of deaths so far have been in people in their late 30s and 40s. Some of the cases of co-infection have been in people who were hospitalized for an extended period, which wouldn't be all that surprising. But some were seen in people who weren't hospitalized. With the new virus causing severe disease in only a small portion of cases, public health authorities have been criticized for overreacting and overhyping the threat swine flu poses. Some critics have suggested the new flu isn't really much worse than seasonal influenza. From Zaki's vantage point, however, this is not regular flu. "This is a new virus. It causes a different disease than what we're used to," he says. "So I don't think anybody can predict exactly, but it would be foolish not to be trying to study the disease more." http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...90903/20090903

pat pat | 09-06-2009 10:48 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread the reason flu season is in the winter (or rainy season in the tropics) is due to vitamin D levels You Tube
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pat pat | 09-06-2009 10:50 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread catherine austin fitts talks on the swine flu vaccine http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...23-cafitts.mp3

Brio | 09-07-2009 05:02 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread 2,000 Washington State Students Report Signs of Swine Flu SEATTLE � At least 2,000 students at Washington State University have reported symptoms of the H1N1 flu virus, university and local health officials said, in what appeared to be one of the largest outbreaks of the virus on a college campus. �It�s real,� Sally Redman, a registered nurse who works in student health services at Washington State, said Saturday. �We�ve had a constant stream of people.� So far, the cases at the university have been relatively mild, although at least two people in the area who are not students were hospitalized. The university, based in Pullman, in eastern Washington near the Idaho border, has about 19,000 students at its main campus. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/he...6flu.html?_r=1 </NYT_HEADLINE>

Miss Kitty | 09-07-2009 08:24 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swine Flu claims Shelby County child Posted: Sep 07, 2009 5:55 PM CDT Updated: Sep 07, 2009 5:55 PM CDT MEMPHIS, TN (WMC-TV) - A Shelby County child has died of the H1N1 virus, commonly known as Swine Flu, officials at the Memphis and Shelby County Health Department said Monday. Officials did not release the name or age of the child, who died at a local hospital. Le Bonheur Children's Medical Center announced last week that its intake in the E.R. was filled with twice as many children as usual with flu symptoms. Officials at Le Bonheur said they had seen around 100 cases of Swine Flu. The boy who died Monday came down with the illness last week. Health professionals are investigating if underlying medical conditions contributed to his death. Health Department officials noted that the Shelby County child's death reflects what is happening around the world, as young people are more prone to die from H1N1 than the seasonal flu. http://www.wmctv.com/global/story.asp?s=11087622

Miss Kitty | 09-07-2009 08:28 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Denham Springs High student dies of H1N1 BATON ROUGE, LA (WAFB) - A Denham Springs High School student died Saturday morning of the H1N1 virus at Baton Rouge General Hospital. The parents of Taylor Brian, a senior, confirmed her death. Wayne and Ruthie Brian said their daughter died from pneumonia associated with the H1N1 virus. The state has not released any information on Brian's death. As of last Saturday, the state recorded three deaths related to swine flu. Visitation for Taylor Brian will be held at Resthaven Funeral Home on Old Jefferson Highway. It will take place Tuesday at 5 p.m. and continue Wednesday at 11 a.m. A service will follow.

Miss Kitty | 09-07-2009 08:30 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Swine flu fells Ecuador president's security chief (AP) – 20 hours ago QUITO, Ecuador — The Ecuadorean government says President Rafael Correa's chief of security has died of swine flu. The online government publication El Ciudadano says air force Lt. Col. John Merino died Sunday after being hospitalized for 28 days. El Ciudadano cited as its source Francisco Torres, the doctor for the office of the Presidency, which was closed late Sunday. The publication said Correa expressed his condolences to Merino's family at the military hospital where he died. Ecuador has reported 36 confirmed deaths from swine flu as of last week, along with 1,382 infected.

Miss Kitty | 09-07-2009 08:31 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Troy University student dies, after being diagnosed with flu Posted: Sep 06, 2009 10:14 PM EDT Updated: Sep 06, 2009 10:14 PM EDT Posted by: Melissa Johnson - bio | email Troy, AL (WSFA) - A Troy University student is dead, after having been previously diagnosed with the flu. 18-year-old Freshman Andrew Salter died over the weekend at a hospital in Dothan, where he was being treated for pnuemonia. It's unclear whether the flu played a role in his death, and whether it was the seasonal flu or the now prevalent H1N1 virus.

Miss Kitty | 09-07-2009 08:43 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Officials identify H1N1 flu victim The New Zealand man who died of H1N1 influenza while in Calgary at WorldSkills has been identified. Paul William Hartigan, 41, of New Plymouth, arrived in Calgary to support his stepdaughter, Kirsty Lister, an army steward who competed in restaurant service, according to the Taranaki Daily News newspaper. He died Thursday. His wife, Roslyn, is in quarantine, the newspaper reports. Hartigan is believed to have been suffering flu symptoms before arriving in Calgary. He began showing symptoms once in Canada and was admitted to a hospital on Tuesday, only to die two days later. It can take up to a week for a patient to begin showing flu symptoms. (Snip) Hartigan was reported to be a runner who competed in marathons with his wife, according to the newspaper. ..."underlying conditions", then? http://www.calgaryherald.com/h...

Drumblebum | 09-07-2009 11:05 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Get your Vitamin D3 levels up, people...

Canadian-guerilla | 09-08-2009 01:50 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Ecuador president's security chief dies of swine flu Quito, Sep 8 : The head of the Ecuadorian presidential security service has died of swine flu after battling with the disease for nearly a month, officials said Monday. http://www.newkerala.com/nkfullnews-1-107338.html

Canadian-guerilla | 09-08-2009 02:05 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread New H1N1 guidelines for health-care workers ( Canada ) WINNIPEG � Frontline health-care workers can expect new guidelines from the federal government in the coming weeks on how to cope with the expected second wave of the swine flu pandemic, following a two-day conference that heard repeated concerns about the readiness of hospitals. Chief public health officer Dr. David Butler-Jones said Thursday the information shared over the course of the meetings would help inform the guidance that is also being developed in consultation with First Nations, provincial and territorial health authorities. The guidance document, which Butler-Jones said would contain a "truly pan-Canadian approach" will include recommendations on how health-care workers can protect themselves, how to diagnose and treat severe cases and how to handle a surge of hospitalizations. "Over the past two days we've heard some strategic recommendations on these issues presented to health authorities. We looked at gaps and how best we can fill them," Butler-Jones said at a news conference. One of the major gaps that was focused on at the conference was the ability of hospitals to handle a big increase of patients and the planning to facilitate the sharing of personnel and equipment among jurisdictions. The swine flu virus, also known as H1N1, has been mild in most cases. But some Canadians, young patients in particular, have become severely ill and required intensive care in the hospital. Many were hooked to ventilators, often for a prolonged period. Seventy-two deaths have been linked to the virus since the pandemic began in April. If the second wave hits harder than the first, hospitals � and their intensive care units especially � could be overwhelmed. Some of the concerns that have been expressed are around the availability of beds, ventilators, pharmaceuticals and staffing shortages. "We know that intensive care units are already running at near or full capacity so surge capacity needs to be addressed as we develop the guidance we're working on," said Butler-Jones. He urged hospitals to "catch up" and get their plans in place if they didn't do so over the summer. Dr. Anand Kumar, an intensive care doctor in Winnipeg, echoed Butler-Jones' advice and said hospitals in his city "learned the hard way" about how to manage surge capacity when the first wave of the pandemic struck hard in the spring. They have since figured out how to double the number of ICU beds available should they be needed. "I think other institutions in the regions really need to look at their surge capacity, really hard, and if they are not talking it seriously, they should be," he told reporters. "There are, at least from the reports from my colleagues, significant variations in how ready hospitals in different regions are for what we might, I emphasize might, experience," said Kumar. The key to easing the potential burden on hospitals and their ICUs is preventing cases from becoming severe. But beyond that is preventing infection in the first place. The key prevention strategy is vaccination, which has been the centre of some controversy this week. An editorial in the Canadian Medical Association Journal said Monday that Canada is lagging behind other countries by aiming to roll out the swine flu vaccine in mid-November while other nations will start vaccinating in October. Butler-Jones and Federal Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq have defended their timeline all week but on Thursday, Butler-Jones said it could be adjusted if necessary. The actual vaccine will be in the country by October but mid-November is when they expect to have all the evidence from the clinical trials reviewed and the stamp of regulatory approval given, he said. "We know that we will be able to do it before then," said Butler-Jones. "If, for example, we see the pandemic return earlier and more severely, we then will, if need be, adjust the timeline and approve earlier," he said. Canada has ordered 50.4 million doses of the vaccine from GlaxoSmithKline. Groups identified as most vulnerable to the virus, including pregnant women and those living in remote communities, will be among the first to get the vaccine. Official guidelines on the "sequencing" of the vaccine are to be released by the federal government in mid-September. http://www.ottawacitizen.com/health/...490/story.html

ColdWater | 09-08-2009 10:35 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Kitty (Post 1908898) Swine Flu claims Shelby County child Posted: Sep 07, 2009 5:55 PM CDT Updated: Sep 07, 2009 5:55 PM CDT http://www.wmctv.com/global/story.asp?s=11087622
MEMPHIS, TN (WMC-TV) - The Swine Flu has killed an 8th grade student at a Memphis middle school. It's the area's first death this flu season. But doctors say it's likely not the last. A White Station Middle School student says he was stunned when his football coach announced that 8th grader Michael Howse died today from the swine flu.[/b] What makes the first swine flu death in the county so surprising, is that before Howse caught the virus, classmates say he was the picture of athleticism and health. Howse was a starting running back for White Station Middle School. His friend Everet Turnage says he was also a straight "A" student in the school's advanced optional program. "He was cheerful, would always make up handshakes he was a great guy," Turnage said. Turnage played football with Howse. When news of Howse's death was announced at what would have been football practice, it was an emotional moment. "My coach who I didn't think would cry in a million years started crying, that's when I started to cry," Turnage said. Turnage last saw Howse less than two weeks ago. "He was fine, in a cheerful mood, but you could tell he was starting to get sick, he was coughing a lot," Turnage said. Turnage can't believe the swine flu could kill someone so healthy and athletic. Howse played in the school's last game against MUS. "he scored a touchdown, made a lot of tackles on defense," Turnage said. News of Howse' death spread rapidly on Facebook. White Station 8th grader Alexis Kelley has known Howse since third grade. "He was amazing," Kelley said. "Very good guy. Helped me hang up my backpack, because I couldn't reach the locker hook." It's going to be a difficult day Tuesday as White Station Middle School students return to school, without their popular classmate in the halls shaking hands with his signature handshakes. I can understand Ebola, or SARS, or spinal meningitis will likely kill a healthy person and why. Thank goodness none of those diseases are prevelant where any of us live. But for something called the flu to kill a healthy boy; I just can't grasp that. I've never known anyone who died of the flu. Almost every story concludes with "the flu kills 36,000 people per year." I wish those jackasses would tell me how many are eighth grade football players. They need to quit calling this damn thing the flu.

Canadian-guerilla | 09-08-2009 10:51 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread China issues first warrant for A/H1N1 flu vaccination 16:35, September 08, 2009 China has issued its first warrant for mass inoculation with domestic A/H1N1 flu vaccine, the first country in the world to do so, Health Minister Chen Zhu said Tuesday. Chen said the warrant was issued by the State Food and Drug Administration Monday after the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines had been proved in clinical tests. The first people to receive the vaccinations will be those attending celebrations for the 60th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China, Chen said. The celebration on Oct. 1 consists of a military parade, a mass pageant and a gala. The pageant alone will involve about 200,000 citizens. Chen said protection would also be given to vulnerable groups, such as carriers of chronic disease, school students and medical staff. "We will also consider the differences between regions and start the vaccinations in areas where there are serious flu situations," Chen said. Chen said the vaccination plan had been drafted on the basis of repeated and conscientious work by medical experts, with advice from the World Health Organization. http://english.people.com.cn/90001/9...2/6751713.html

Canadian-guerilla | 09-08-2009 10:53 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread China faces grim situation as H1N1 escalates-Minister 08 Sep 2009 06:58:43 GMT BEIJING, Sept 8 (Reuters) - China faces a grim situation in containing the H1N1 strain of flu, as schools start up again and the number of domestic cases, as well as clusters of cases, rises, China's Minister of Health said on Tuesday. China has reported 5,592 cases of H1N1 flu, from which 3,852 people have recovered. No-one has died in China, although a patient in Shanghai is in a coma, with multiple organ failure. "There are some recent developments in H1N1 in China that mean we are facing a grim situation," said Chen Zhu, one of only two ministers in China who do not belong to the Communist Party. He listed a rapid surge in domestic cases, after an initial phase when most cases in China were of foreigners who arrived with the disease. Since the beginning of September, there has also been a spike in the number of clusters of outbreaks, which now number 128. Finally, there has been an increase in the number of confirmed H1N1 cases among people with flu symptoms. Chen said the Shanghai patient, as well as another serious case in Zhejiang province, had stabilised. China plans to begin rolling out a vaccination programme this week, Chen said, with priority going to children, health care workers, the military and the public security apparatus. "With 1.3 billion people, we are limited in our ability to provide vaccines for all," Chen said. "Therefore, we have to continue with protective measures, especially the ability of the population to protect itself." The Chinese government on Friday ordered 7.3 million doses of vaccines for the H1N1 strain of flu from domestic firms Sinovac Biotech <SVA.A> and Hualan Biological <002007.SZ>. (Reporting by Lucy Hornby; Editing by Jerry Norton) http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/PEK102128.htm

PatColo | 09-08-2009 03:43 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Here's another listing of recent headlines @ TheFluCase.com. Go there to read the stories. * Fake syringes could spread virus * Novartis preys on low income children in Germany for "swine flu" jabs * UK parents told: let your child be given the toxic "swine flu" jab or loose them * French outrage at secret pandemic tyranny laws escalates * WHO committee in France targets pregnant women and babies * Two thirds of Germans refuse "swine flu" jab * EMERGENCY UPDATE: Pandemic being triggered in the USA already * Police in Greece say "No" to the"swine flu" jab * Finnish army lifts quarantine on soldiers after mysterious "swine flu" outbreak * Rally to impeach Massachusettes Senator over plan for forced vaccine with toxic jabs, fines and quarantine * No data on the use of adjuvanted flu jabs on pregnant women, admits Canada as it changes "swine flu" jab policy * Germans to put their government officials on trial over swine flu jab: mock trial and protest planned in Munich * Toxic jab centers appear in US cities * Check out Huerfano website for action on forced mass vaccinations * 'A Whole Industry Is Waiting For A Pandemic', says Epidemiologist * Iowa prepares to put people in "forced confinement" in a "quarantine faciliy" * WHO has huge electronic tracking system in place, reveals document * Swine flu not new and not lethal, says New England Journal of Medicine * Source of HIN1 is probably a laboratory says New England Journal of Medicines * "Mock-up" pandemic vaccines bypass genuine safety testing, in the biggest ever biological experiment in history * Is the two-shot "swine flu" jab a binary weapon? * CDC States H1N1 Vaccine May Maim and Kill 30,000 Americans * It's the Vaccines Stupid, William Engdahl * WHO orders US soldiers to take toxic jab * Martial Law Alert Over Swine Flu - by Stephen Lendman * Revolution is the answer * French doctors threaten Health Minister with legal action over secret plans for mass forced vaccination * NZ doctor demolishes the WHO "swine flu" hype with facts * Global opposition to "swine flu" mounts with New Zealand anti vaccine anthem * Globalist police chief takes over Baxter case * BAXTER STILL HAS THE 72 KILOS OF VACCINE MATERIAL CONTAMINATED WITH BIRD FLU: AUSTRIAN HEALTH MINISTER LIED TO PARLIAMENT * German resistance to the "holocaust genocide" by use of the "swine flu" jab grows * Alleged "swine flu" victims died from the bird flu, says CDC * UK medical officer predicts fewer deaths from "swine flu" in "second pandemic wave" * WHO pandemic declaration over "swine" flu alarmist and unjustified, argues MIT expert * Belgians demand answers over the "swine flu" graves: Irish revolt against the EU's Lisbon Treaty gathers pace * BIll to turn US schools into vaccination centers moves through Congress * Austrian police chief investigating Baxter forced to resign * Pfizer pleads guilty to felony crime and fraudulent marketing, has to pay 2.3 billion in fines * WHO Admits to Releasing Pandemic Virus into Population via 'Mock-Up' Vaccines * Criminal charges to be filed against French Minister of Health and Interior of secret mass vaccination document * EMERGENCY UPDATE: Maine under martial law: Governor proclaims civil emergency over "swine flu" pandemic. WHO and Rockefeller takes charge * CDC H1N1 forced qurantine docs leak * Taxpayers fund bumper pharma "swine flu" profits * Is Baxter preparing to put nano chips into the "swine flu" jab? * French doctor calls for resistance to the "Beast" of forced "swine flu" vaccinations * Novartis produces one-shot toxic "swine flu" jab * Immunocontraceptive hidden in the flu vaccine Again, check them out @ TheFluCase.com.

Miss Kitty | 09-08-2009 05:10 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Additional information on Taylor Whitney Brian, 19, who died on Sept. 5: http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/576...?showAll=y&c=y Early tests were negative Mother: Swine flu not diagnosed until 2 days before death By SANDY DAVIS Advocate staff writer Published: Sep 8, 2009 - Page: 1A The 19-year-old Denham Springs woman who died Saturday from swine flu had been tested three times for Type A influenza since she first became ill Aug. 20, her mother said. Each time, the test came back negative. It wasn’t until she was hospitalized that she was tested specifically for swine flu, which was confirmed Thursday. Two days later, Taylor Whitney Brian, a senior at Denham Springs High School, became the fourth person to die in Louisiana from swine flu or swine flu complications. She died at Baton Rouge General Medical Center-Bluebonnet, where she had been treated since Aug. 29, said Ruthie Brian, her mother. “My daughter was a healthy, vibrant young girl. She did not have any underlying illness,” Brian said. “She went from being a healthy child one minute to this. It’s just so hard to believe.” Bill Spear, superintendent of the Livingston Parish school system, said Monday that “School will be open on Tuesday and counselors will be on hand to help students deal with the death of our student.” He also said the district is taking every precaution to try and prevent other students from becoming infected. “We’re fortunate that no students have been on campus for three days because of the holiday weekend,” he said. Spear said district employees were at the high school Monday “wiping down desks, doorknobs and other common areas where students frequent.” According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Web site, “swine flu is only contact viable for two to eight hours,” Spear said. “But we’d rather err on the side of caution,” he said. Ruthie Brian said that when her daughter first became sick on Aug. 20, she took her to the doctor and was told her daughter had strep throat. She was given antibiotics. The doctor also tested the teen to see if she had the flu, Brian said. The test came back negative, Brian said. The rapid flu test is generally performed in a doctor’s office to determine whether a patient has Type A flu, Type B flu or does not have the flu. Swine flu, or novel H1N1 as it is also known, is one of several strains of Type A flu. State health officials have said they assume anyone who tests positive for Type A flu has swine flu. The state Department of Health and Hospitals is no longer testing for swine flu unless a patient with flu symptoms is hospitalized or the patient’s doctor is one of the state’s sentinel physicians, a group of doctor’s across the state asked by DHH to help monitor the outbreak. In recent months, private laboratories have been certified by the state to conduct the tests, and some doctors are using these laboratories. Taylor Brian went back to school Aug. 24 and 25. By Aug. 26, she told her mother she didn’t feel well and stayed home from school. Over the next few days, Ruthie Brian took her daughter back to the doctor two more times and each time the doctor tested her for Type A flu. “And each time the tests came back negative,” Ruthie Brian said. Taylor Brian became so sick on Aug. 29, her doctor sent her to the hospital. “She didn’t feel good during the first few days she was in the hospital, but she was still talking and sending text messages to her friends and watching TV,” Ruthie Brian said. In her first few days at the hospital, doctors tested Taylor Brian twice for swine flu, but the samples had to be sent to out-of-town laboratories and the results weren’t going to be back for five to 14 days, Ruthie Brian said. “It was frustrating,” Brian said. “We thought all along she had swine flu.” By Monday night, doctors decided to begin treating the teenager for swine flu, Brian said. “They started giving her Tamiflu,” Brian said of the anti-viral drug used to treat the symptoms of swine flu. State health officials, however, have said Tamiflu works only if it is given within the first 24 to 48 hours of the onset of flu symptoms. In the middle of the night on Sept. 1, Taylor Brian started having trouble breathing and she was taken to the intensive care unit, her mother said. Doctors decided to take a third swine flu sample, and this time they found a laboratory in Baton Rouge that could perform the test and return the results within a few days. “On Thursday, we were told Taylor tested positive for swine flu,” Brian said. “We were relieved because we knew she was being treated for swine flu and this also explained why there was this horrendous attack on her lungs. We thought she would be all right.” Brian said doctors said at first her daughter would recover, but it might take awhile. “I just told them that my baby needed to be all right by prom,” Brian said. “She lived and breathed her senior year. It was the highlight of this child’s life.” But early Saturday morning, Taylor Brian died. “She died from pneumonia,” Ruthie Brian said. “If you get swine flu, you can get the complication of pneumonia.” Brian said she does not blame the doctors. “They did everything they could,” Brian said. “The flu tests kept coming back negative. What else could they have done?” Public information from DHH over individual deaths from swine flu has been minimal. Even Spear said he had not been contacted by DHH over Taylor Brian’s death. Ruthie Brian said she has a warning for other parents. “When your child first has flu symptoms, don’t get them tested for the regular flu,” she said. “Get them tested specifically for swine flu. “I don’t want to see another child suffer like Taylor did,” she said. Back to top

Miss Kitty | 09-08-2009 05:11 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:19 pm Post subject: HORRIBLE! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/s...9-3102,00.html Swine flu teen to have feet amputated Glenis Green September 09, 2009 12:00am Australia A SUNSHINE Coast teenager will have both feet amputated after suffering serious medical complications as a result of contracting swine flu. Fiona Summersides ended up spending her 18th birthday in intensive care in hospital ahead of a long battle with the virus which almost killed her. She had planned to attend a dance party in Sydney for her special day on July 30. Ms Summersides' single-parent father, Terry, said both he and his daughter were shattered to hear that collapsed lungs as a result of the flu's complications had resulted in gangrene in her feet. "She's trying to be strong, but she's very scared of course," he said yesterday of his daughter, who is now trying to build up her strength. (There's a photo of her at the link. ) _________________

Miss Kitty | 09-08-2009 05:17 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:25 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Updated list of child deaths with the opening of schools: (Please PM me with any updates or changes - thanks) 8/18 Travis County, Texas - 14 year old coinfected with staph 8/20 Palm Beach County, FL - 12 year old (died in Nevada) 8/20 Ellijay, GA - 8 year old (underlying condition?) suspected - 8/? Warren County, MS - 15 year old 8/27 Hamilton, Co., TN - child, age unknown 8/27 Hancock Co., MS - 13 year old 8/31 Scottsboro, AL - 11 year old - (played soccer on Saturday, died Monday) 8/31 Midlands, SC - 12 year old (Cerebral Palsy) suspected - 8/31 Jackson County, AL - 11-12 9/2 Davidson County, TN - 5 year old (died within TWO days of feeling sick) 9/5 Baton Rouge, LA - high school age child. 9/5 or 9/6 Fairbanks, AK - 10 year old (died within 36 hours of feeling sick) suspected 9/6 Wayne County, NC - 8 year old 9/7 Memphis, TN - child death (no details) _________________ Borrowed from another forum.

Canadian-guerilla | 09-09-2009 08:28 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread CDC: Flu now 'widespread' in FL 9/9/2009 � Health News Florida Florida has passed an unhappy milestone in the H1N1 �swine flu� fight, becoming one of just six states where flu activity is �widespread.� The change can be seen on the map posted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The previous CDC map had shown Florida with only �regional� flu activity, meaning there were hotspots but they affected fewer than half the state�s regions. The change in status is no cause for alarm, said Susan Smith, spokeswoman for Florida DOH. �We�re seeing exactly what we expected to see,� she said. �We attribute that to schools starting back.� Schools offer the virus a convenient locus for rapid spread. Southern schools begin in August, while other regions typically wait until after Labor Day. In addition to Florida and Puerto Rico, the CDC map shows widespread activity in Alabama, Alaska, Georgia, Mississippi, and South Carolina. Florida has already reached the top category in the flu watch weeks before a vaccine will be ready, probably in October. Smith said county health departments will distribute it rapidly when it arrives. �We are prepared,� she said. Today's DOH update will show 77 Floridians have died from the novel virus, Smith said. More information will be available later today on county, gender and age. As of Sept. 4, CDC reported more than 9,000 hospitalizations and almost 600 deaths nationally. Three-fourths had underlying health conditions, and half were among adults ages 25 to 49, an unusual target group for influenza. But H1N1 is unusual in many ways; usually flu season doesn�t begin until late autumn, which is when the so-called "seasonal" flu is expected to return. Vaccines are available for seasonal flu now. Even though Miami-Dade has registered more hospitalizations by far than other counties in Florida, as of this morning the DOH Web site did not yet list it among the counties where the flu meets the definition of "widespread." They are Duval, Hillsborough, Orange, Sarasota and St. John�s. Smith stressed that the best weapon against spread of the flu is good hygiene: Cover coughs and sneezes, wash hands frequently, and stay home if you're sick. More information is available at the Florida Flu Information Line, 1-888-352-3581, and the Web site: www.MyFluSafety.com. http://www.healthnewsflorida.org/ind.../article/13828

PatColo | 09-10-2009 02:33 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread more stories @ TheFluCase.com # About articles on www.theflucase.com # Recruitment drive for "swine flu" jab # Junk Science and Contradictions Dominate WHO Pandemic Statements and Policies # Bird flu "Pandemrix" vaccine set to be approved in Europe for "swine flu" # Italians to hold meeting on forced "swine flu" jab # Queen cancels visit to school in "swine flu" panic # Rockefeller's Governor in Maine paves way for "state" organised forced mass vaccination # Will college campuses be put under quarantine? Rumours sweep the USA # How the Rockefellers took control of the US medical system # Vital vaccination conference for Canada on September 12th # Canada's martial law bills use the language of concealment # Nurse in Rochester refuses mandatory swine flu jab # German prison trains being fitted out in Poland, unconfirmed report says # Chinese to be forced to take the swine flu jab on WHO's orders # 3 % see big danger in the "swine flu" # WHO issues fictious death toll from "not severe" "swine flu" after abandoning data collection # CLG: Minnesota: Post police car outside "swine flu" suspected cases' home # No Child Left Unimmunized Against Influenza Act paves way for death and injury for young Americans # Rothschild-controlled news wires "Reuters" hypes swine flu danger in China # Mobile swine flu labs set to pounce # New CDC guidelines say patients should take "swine flu" drugs without waiting for confrimation from docs # YouTube - Quebec Health Freedom Conference # Report in Chinese on the "swine flu" jab risks # CLG reports Maine schools and health care providers have been given immunity # US court to hear evidence that Obama is President illegally # Obama bioterrorism nominee hides work for big pharma biodefense black op programmes # French law gives pharma companies immunity over toxic "pandemic" jab # Will you be getting the bird flu in your "swine flu" jab? # French judges protest secret pandemic tyranny decrees # 69 % of French say "Non" to the "swine flu" injection read them @ TheFluCase.com

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Canadian-guerilla | 09-11-2009 10:02 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread FDA Approves "Emergency Rules" for Mass Medication of Population with Anti-Viral Drugs Thursday, September 10, 2009 NaturalNews) The FDA has approved using the antiviral drugs Tamiflu and Relenza without many of the normal protections, in response to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC's) declaration of a health emergency in response to H1N1 swine flu. Under the 2004 Project BioShield Law, the FDA is authorized to make an "Emergency Use Declaration" (EUD) allowing drugs to be used in a manner normally prohibited by federal regulations. This might entail allowing the use of an otherwise unapproved drug, or allowing previously unapproved uses of a drug that is already on the market. The new rules will remain in effect until withdrawn by the FDA or until the declaration of health emergency is lifted. Roche's Tamiflu is normally authorized only for use in people aged at least one year, but the EUD now allows the drug to be used for people of any age, and at higher-than-usual doses for those above age one. Both Tamiflu and GlaxoSmithKline's Relenza may now be distributed without complying with the usual labeling requirements, and may be dispensed by a wider variety of health care workers than is normally allowed. Relenza is still approved only for use in children aged five and up. The EUD also allows the use of a flu diagnostic test, known as rRT-PCR Swine Flu Panel, to help health professionals determine whether an individual is actually infected with the H1N1 swine flu or with a different influenza strain. GlaxoSmithKline has announced plans to ramp up production of Relenza and has distributed 100,000 doses of the drug to Mexico, where stocks have been dwindling. Until it declares an end to the swine flu health emergency, the CDC recommends that people wash their hands often with soap and water; avoid touching their eyes, nose or mouth; cover their nose and mouth with a tissue when sneezing; avoid contact with infected individuals; and stay home if they become ill. Sources for this story include: www.google.com. http://www.naturalnews.com/027003_dr...ass_drugs.html

ColdWater | 09-12-2009 06:21 PM
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7 hospitals restrict visits to thwart flu Children under 18 asked to stay home due to virus's incubation period By Liv Osby • Health writer • September 12, 2009 Seven Upstate hospitals announced Friday they are limiting visitation until further notice to prevent the spread of swine flu. AnMed Health, Bon Secours St. Francis Health System, Cannon Memorial Hospital, Greenville Hospital System University Medical Center, Oconee Memorial Hospital, Palmetto Health Baptist Easley and Spartanburg Regional Healthcare System are restricting visits by children under age 18. “We know the predominance of the disease is really within the pediatric population and the concern is you’re shedding virus 24 hours before you actually become ill,” said Dr. Robin LaCroix, pediatric disease specialist with GHS.
Full story http://beta.greenvilleonline.com/art...to-thwart-flu- Quote:
Le Bonheur's ER Overflows, Hospital Builds Tent to Handle Flu Patients MEMPHIS, TN - A swine flu scare is causing a rush on a local hospital. In the past two weeks, doctors and nurses at Le Bonheur Children's Medical Center have seen almost three times the patients they normally see. They don't expect it to slow down any time soon. They have built a tent in the hospital's parking lot, a temporary flu clinic where doctors will be able to diagnose and treat patients. “It's very packed, so we decided to come on out,” said Lorene Clayborn. The hospital's emergency room is packed with people wearing facemasks. .....Doctors want to remind parents the H1N1 flu is just like the seasonal flu, and your child will get better after a few days. [THAT'S A LIE. YOU NEED TO MONITOR YOUR CHILD CLOSELY.]
Full story http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/loc.... Quote:
Modesto hospital sets up triage tent An emergency room overflow tent went up this week outside Memorial Medical Center in Modesto for the first time since H1N1, or swine flu, appeared in California, but a spokeswoman said the tent is not purely a reaction to the pandemic. "It's a combination, a mixture of people coming in for different reasons," said Catherine Larsen, regional marketing director for the hospital's parent company, Sutter Health.
Full story http://www.modbee.com/local/story/842770....

ColdWater | 09-13-2009 06:41 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Long story with good info: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aD2oXwK.fAa0 Quote:
Swine Flu Mystery in Healthy Spurs Search for a Cause (Update1) By Jason Gale Sept. 14 (Bloomberg) -- After being infected with swine flu, Brent Robb, a 34-year-old New Zealander with no pre- existing medical conditions, spent 11 days in a coma induced by doctors in a last-ditch effort to save his life. A printer who liked to bike 12 miles a week for exercise, Robb lost two months of work while sick, and a sixth of his body weight. He survives as an example of a mystery hovering over the fast-moving pandemic that has spread to 177 countries in four months, yet causes little more than a fever and a cough in all but a select few. Seasonal flu kills predominantly the frail elderly. Researchers are trying to determine why the H1N1 swine flu virus, much like the Spanish Flu of 1918, is lethal to a portion of young people in good health. The reason may involve a person’s genetics, or simply taking a deep breath just as a nearby infected person sneezes. “That’s a question we have to find the answer to,” said Nikki Shindo, a Geneva-based doctor leading the World Health Organization’s investigation of swine flu patients. Underlying conditions that can intensify the effects of flu include respiratory illnesses, especially asthma, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, a suppressed immune system, and even pregnancy. About 25 percent to 50 percent of severe cases worldwide involve healthy young and middle-aged people like Robb, according to WHO Director-General Margaret Chan. Unpredictable Disease It is a statistic that highlights how unpredictable the disease has turned out to be, said Ian Barr, deputy director of the WHO’s Collaborating Center for Influenza in Melbourne. “People are happy to dismiss serious cases among people with underlying conditions,” Barr said in an interview. “It’s a wake-up call when healthy people are struck down.” As many as 2 billion people, or 30 percent of the world’s population, may become infected by the new virus as it spreads globally, according to the WHO. Identifying those likely to recover without medical help, and those who may become severely ill will help prioritize vaccination and drug treatment. In Australia, the median age of people dying from seasonal flu is 83. With the H1N1 swine flu, it is 54 years, according to the government’s Aug. 28 influenza surveillance summary report. In New South Wales, Australia’s most-populous state, the majority of H1N1 patients in intensive-care units are 30 to 59 years old, the state government’s Sept. 9 weekly report notes. ...In New Zealand, about one in seven people hospitalized with H1N1 have needed intensive-care treatment, the Ministry of Health said in a Sept. 11 statement..

Canadian-guerilla | 09-15-2009 02:24 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread H1N1 Spreads Long After Fever Breaks Tuesday, September 15, 2009 Print ShareThisSAN FRANCISCO � When the coughing stops is probably a better sign of when a swine flu patient is no longer contagious, experts said after seeing new research that suggests the virus can still spread many days after a fever goes away. The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been telling people to stay home from work and school and avoid contact with others until a day after their fever breaks. The new research suggests they may need to be careful for longer � especially at home where the risk of spreading the germ is highest. Swine flu also appears to be contagious longer than ordinary seasonal flu, several experts said. "This study shows you're not contagious for a day or two. You're probably contagious for about a week," said Gaston De Serres, a scientist at the Institute of Public Health in Quebec. He presented one of the studies Monday at an American Society for Microbiology conference. It is the first big meeting of infectious disease experts since last spring's emergence of swine flu, which now accounts for nearly all of the flu cases in the United States. More than 1 million Americans have been infected and nearly 600 have died from it, the CDC estimates. It is unclear whether the new research will lead the CDC to rethink its advice on how long people with swine flu should hole up. Long breaks from school and work do not seem worth it for a virus that now seems to cause mostly mild illness, said the CDC's flu chief, Nancy Cox. Swine flu is spreading so widely now that confining the sick does less good, she said. "We tried to have our guidance balance out all of these factors," she said. "It's just virtually impossible not to have virus introduced into settings such as schools and universities." Doctors know that people can spread ordinary seasonal flu for a couple of days before and after symptoms start by studying virus that patients shed in mucus. The first such studies of swine flu are just coming out now, and they imply a longer contagious period for the novel bug. "It's probably realistic that this virus sheds much longer than seasonal flu," said Dr. Jonathan McCullers, an infectious diseases specialist at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tenn. Three reports suggest this is so. De Serres and other researchers in Canada took nose and throat swabs from 43 patients with lab-confirmed flu and dozens of other sick family members. On the eighth day after symptoms first appeared, 19 to 75 percent showed signs of virus remaining in their noses, depending on the type of test used. "This proportion appears to be very big, and it is," but it's not clear how much virus is needed to actually spread flu, so the lower number is more reliable, he said. Dr. David C. Lye reported on 70 patients treated at Tan Tock Seng Hospital in Singapore. Using a very sensitive test to detect virus in the nose or throat, he found that 80 percent had it five days after symptoms began, and 40 percent seven days after. Some still harbored virus as long as 16 days later. How soon they started on antiviral medicines such as Tamiflu made a difference in how much virus was found, but not whether virus was present at all. A third report came from Dr. Guillermo Ruiz-Palacios of the National Institutes of Medical Science and Nutrition in Mexico, where the first cases of swine flu were detected. Infected people "shed the virus for a very, very long time," often for more than a week after the start of symptoms, he told the conference. This was especially true of obese people, and patients who started on medicines longer than two days after symptoms first appeared. The new reports suggest a longer contagious period for swine flu, but how long is not clear, Cox said. Even with it in your nose, "you might not be shedding enough virus to infect other people," she said. That is why signs like coughing may matter more, De Serres said. "Contagiousness varies, not only with the presence of the virus, but the other symptoms that would make you transmit," he said. Swine flu symptoms can include fever, cough, sore throat, runny or stuffy nose, body aches, headache, chills and fatigue, and sometimes diarrhea and vomiting. Young children may be cranky, less playful or not eat as much as normal, the CDC advises. The agency's advice to stay home for a day after fever breaks does not apply to health care settings. There, confinement for seven days from the start of symptoms � or until they go away, whichever is longer � is still advised. People who have had swine flu should cover their mouths when they cough or sneeze and wash their hands a lot once they do return to work and school, the CDC says. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...est=latestnews

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thorgrim | 09-15-2009 02:41 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0...ug_resistant_1 Alberta Health Services reports Canada's second drug-resistant swine flu case <!-- END HEADLINE --> <!-- BEGIN STORY BODY -->Tue Sep 15, 11:13 AM By The Canadian Press EDMONTON - Alberta Health Services is reporting Canada's second drug-resistant swine flu case. Dr. Gerry Predy, Alberta's senior medical officer of health, says the case is significant because the drug Oseltamivir is the medication that is most commonly used to treat influenza around the world. He says any resistance to medication is important because it could possibly lead to further cases of resistant disease and potentially affect how a disease spreads. Predy says an investigation into the case is underway to determine if the drug-resistant organism was present at the start of patient's illness or if it developed during treatment. Other isolated cases of drug resistant swine flu have been reported around the world, including an earlier case involving a 60-year-old man from Quebec who was given the drug when he was exposed to swine flu because his son was ill. Predy says the Alberta patient was not hospitalized and is recovering.

Old Herb Lady | 09-15-2009 08:52 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.tennessean.com/article/20.../90902005/1009 Swine flu claims life of Davidson County child September 2, 2009 A 5-year-old Davidson County boy died Monday from H1N1 influenza, the virus commonly known as "swine flu," the Metro Health Department said this morning. The boy became ill Friday and died Monday at Vanderbilt Children Hospital in Nashville, hospital officials confirmed. The state testing lab confirmed today that the boy had the the H1N1 virus. The medical examiners office will perform an autopsy on the boy to determine if he had any other health problems. Dr. Bill Paul Metro health director said examples of underlying conditions could be asthma or diabetes. "With children you think about asthma or diabetes or anything that might reduce the bodies ability to fight infection," he said. "We�re still investigating whether that was a factor in this case. Often you do find something." Health officials are stressing the people practice good hygiene and stay home if they are sick. But, they said, do not rush out to a doctor or the emergency room because a person has flu-like symptoms. "We've had a very packed emergency room lately," said Laurie Holloway, a Vanderbilt spokeswoman. Paul said if people should call their doctors office to discuss their symptoms to make a decision about being seen. Most flu cases will not require treatment and will run their course over about four days. "The recommendation is not to do anything different than you would for the ordinary flu," he said. "It is important that not everyone rush out to the doctor or the emergency room." He also said the rapid test to determine if a person has the flu are not very accurate. "They have about a 10 percent to 45 percent accuracy rate, and some people may show negative when they actually do have the flu." Flu symptoms include fever, cough, sore throat, body aches, headache, runny nose and in some cases vomiting and diarrhea. Every person is different. The Metro Health Department offers the following advice about when to be seen by a doctor: Please seek emergency assistance if your child experiences any of the following: * Fast breathing or trouble breathing * Bluish skin color * Not drinking enough fluids * Not waking up or not interacting * Being so irritable that the child does not want to be held * Flu-like symptoms improve, but then return with fever and worse cough * Fever with a rash (2 of 2) Young children and pregnant women are priority groups to receive H1N1 vaccine because they are at increased risk of serious complications from flu. �Even though the risks are relatively small, extra caution is important for those at higher risk,� said Dr. Paul. Health Department officials remind all adults and children to take the following precautions: * Avoid close contact with people who are sick. * Cover coughs and sneezes with the crook of your elbow or a tissue. * Wash hands often with soap and water, especially after coughing or sneezing. * If water and soap are not available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer. * Try not to touch your eyes, nose, or mouth. * Get the seasonal flu shot, which is now becoming available locally. * Children and adults who are sick should stay home if they have symptoms of fever (over 100 degrees F) and cough, sore throat, runny nose, body aches, vomiting or diarrhea. Ill persons should not return to school or work until 24 hours after they are free of fever without the use of fever-reducing medicines. *Get the H1N1 flu shot when it becomes available�currently projected for Mid October. Vaccine trials are underway at several locations around the country to determine how many shots different groups will require and what dosage. Next Page1 | 2Previous Page Read Comments25 See all of the comments and quote other replies all on one page

ColdWater | 09-15-2009 09:19 PM
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CDC: Swine flu causing deadly lung infections like avian virus; vaccine OK'd Autopsies show that the H1N1 swine flu virus can cause deep, fatal lung infections rarely seen in seasonal flu but common with the deadly avian strain, experts reported today. Reuters tells us that "this virus is different from seasonal influenza, even if it has not yet caused more deaths." Tests on about 100 Americans who died from swine flu virus found that they had infections deep in their lungs, which caused acute respiratory distress syndrome. Often fatal, it fills the air sacs with fluid, starves the blood of oxygen and leaves patients gasping for breath. Basically, patients suffocate or drown. Unlike seasonal flu, the H1N1 virus frequently causes severe problems in younger adults and children. "This is almost exactly what we see with avian flu. This looks like avian flu on steroids," Sherif Zaki of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told flu experts meeting in Washington.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline...ian-virus.html The Reuters story: Quote:
Swine flu deaths show this flu is different: experts Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:17pm EDT By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Autopsies on people who have died from the new pandemic H1N1 flu show this virus is different from seasonal influenza, even if it has not yet caused more deaths, experts told a meeting on Tuesday. Americans who died from swine flu had infections deep in their lungs, Dr. Sherif Zaki of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told a meeting of flu experts, including damage to the alveoli -- the structures in the lung that deliver oxygen to the blood. This in turn caused what is known as acute respiratory distress syndrome -- an often fatal development that leaves patients gasping for breath. The World Health Organization has confirmed 3,205 deaths globally from swine flu but experts agree all estimates of the extent of the pandemic are grossly understated because so few patients are ever actually tested. Seasonal flu kills, too -- about 250,000 to 500,000 cases a year globally, according to the WHO. But not in the same way as swine flu, which unlike seasonal flu frequently causes severe disease in young adults and children. "It is very rarely you see what we call diffuse alveolar damage in fatal seasonal influenza," Zaki told a meeting sponsored by the U.S. Institute of Medicine, which advises government on health matters. Seasonal flu causes bronchitis and other upper respiratory disease. But Zaki, the chief infectious disease pathologist at CDC, said the new virus had burrowed into the lungs of the 90 or so people he examined after they died, and they had huge amounts of the virus in their blood. "This is almost exactly what we see with avian flu," Zaki said. "This looks like avian flu on steroids."
http://www.reuters.com/article/healt...58E6NZ20090915

PatColo | 09-16-2009 12:08 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread A STRENGTHENED VIRUS AND A POLICE STATE IT WAS ALWAYS COMING TO THIS ... http://www.davidicke.com/oi/extras/0...lice_state.jpg ... NOW WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT (Faint hearts and shrinking violets need not apply) By David Icke I have known throughout the years that I have been warning about the global fascist agenda that what we are about to see was inevitable. It was obvious that, despite the awakening of so many in the last decade, most people would need to see, touch, smell, hear and taste the fascism before they even began to accept that it was real. This mass-reluctance to see the signs and act upon them was always going to condemn the population to some levels of the Orwellian control-system before it is eventually dismantled. I stress that it will be dismantled, but not before it has gone a lot further yet. The question was never whether we would avoid the police/military state. I never had any illusions about that. The question was, and is, how deeply we will allow ourselves to be controlled by this evil and that can be answered by two other questions: MORE *** More headlines from TheFluCase.com, * EMEA gets about two thirds of funds from pharma industry * German anti corruption watchdog criticises key government vaccine body for links to big pharma * Only 29% of Americans trust mainstream media * CSL tells health workers: get consent forms signed for unregistered vaccine * Florida resident develops pandemic control plan using simple hygiene * NZ Health Minister cannot confirm "swine flu" jab safe and uncontaminated: update from Penny Bright * "Swine flu" jab makes German extremely sick during clinical trials * David Icke calls for mass non-cooperation to fight the "swine flu" jab * IRISH GOVERNMENT PLANS MANDATORY "SWINE FLU" JABS OR JAIL * Links to www.theflucase.com removed from main stream media * US police train to jab needles and draw blood by force from suspected drunk drivers * Deadly nano particles in untested "swine flu" jab, William Engdahl reports * WHO refuses to close schools even though most effective measure, studies say * US government speeds up "swine flu" mass vaccination plan: swine flu jabs in early October * Dutch company produces "swine flu" spray with WHO backing * Novartis was forced to withdraw "bird flu" vaccine in 2008 because of clinical study flaws * EMEA allows Novartis to sell "swine flu" jab on basis of 100-person trial sponsored by Novartis * French newspaper looks at "plagues" in world literature * Spanish summary of evidence the "swine flu" jabs are biological weapons of mass destruction * French doctor says "swine flu" jab endangers public health, could kill 60,000 young people * JAMA report confirms Gardasil dangerous long after drug in use * CLG updates: US government declared bioterrorism "public health emergency" in October 2008 * The first Swedes get vaccine against "swine flu" * Don't want to be guinea pig in population control experiment, says Washington DC protestor to CNN * Evidence of criminal take-over of the US government by former FBI agent * Obama will take charge of the UN Security Council * Florida injunction makes progress in spite of obstacles: please support * Ireland "No" vote on the Lisbon Treaty vital for democracy and peace in Europe * UK scientist conducting "Novartis" swine flu trials in the pay of Novartis * Welsh schoolchildren to get swine flu jab before Christmas * Australian "swine flu" clinical trial data show no adjuvants tested * French Health Minister prepares propaganda letter for "swine flu" * Adverse reactions incidence "very common" with GSK's Pandemrix, admits EMEA document * European Medicines Agency admits safety of "swine flu" jab to be tested after being used in the European population * "People of the United States and the world demand the truth," says Charlie Sheen * French government prepares for pandemic "crisis" in mid-October * Germany's state refuse to pay for "swine flu" jab * "Swine flu" burrows deep into lungs, new study says * No travel without RFID bracelet, video indicates * Leading Austrian doctor doubts WHO figures on "swine flu" deaths * More than a third of French doctors and nurses don't want the "swine flu" jab * Polish WHO flu jab resistnace movement grows * Microchip implants in the "swine flu" jab, WND reports * Are the "swine flu" jabs designed to kill without allowing contagion? * UN wants new global currency * US Patent 5646033 - African green monkey kidney cell lines useful for maintaining viruses & for preparation of viral vaccines * New centralised government database for nano chips proposed * Former Justice Minister crictises secret French government pandemic emergency laws TheFluCase.com

Canadian-guerilla | 09-16-2009 11:49 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Hand-Washing Won�t Stop H1N1 Sep 15, 2009 It's become conventional wisdom that simple soap and water can protect against the flu, but the science suggests otherwise. In a speech to schoolchildren last week that had some conservative opponents up in arms, President Obama delivered at least one line that seemed incontestable: "I hope you'll all wash your hands a lot, and stay home from school when you don't feel well, so we can keep people from getting the flu this fall and winter." The Disney corporation is now marketing Musical Hand Wash Timers featuring characters like the Little Mermaid, and encouraging parents to "take precaution against swine flu" by teaching children to wash their hands correctly. "Studies prove that regular hand-washing dramatically reduces the spread of infection," says the Disney Web page, which links to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Web site. Thanks in part to this and other campaigns run by the CDC, it has become conventional wisdom that hand-washing is the best way to protect yourself from the H1N1 strain of influenza. But while hand-washing has been shown to be a great defense against the common cold and other respiratory diseases, it might not actually be that helpful against the influenza virus, including the H1N1 strain. That's because there is virtually no evidence that people can catch the influenza virus from germs that they pick up on their hands, according to Arthur Reingold, head of epidemiology at the University of California, Berkeley, and codirector of the CDC-funded California Emerging Infections Program. Instead, humans are most likely to catch influenza by breathing in microscopic particles exhaled by infected people. Reingold and other epidemiologists don't discount hand-washing as an important tool in public health: there is plenty of evidence that it prevents other nasty bugs, including the common cold, many respiratory infections, and viruses that cause diarrhea. But Reingold is bothered by the lack of science supporting the CDC's message, and he worries that the emphasis on a simple measure like hand-washing creates a false sense of security from H1N1 and tamps down the discussion of more difficult preventive measures. He said as much in an e-mail to the CDC this May. "I wouldn't care so much that we might be getting folks to improve handwashing . . . with what is likely to be incorrect information about its ability to prevent influenza" if the media and the court of public opinion weren't so quick to embrace it as the only solution at the expense of things like surgical masks, wrote Reingold in his letter to the CDC. While Reingold admits he doesn't know if masks would reduce transmission of the virus, he hypothesizes that they're more likely to be helpful containing exposure to the airborne virus than hand-washing, and should not be so easily discounted. (Other experts are skeptical of face masks because it's difficult to ensure proper use, or that people will wear them in the first place.) Dr. Anne Schuchat, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, says the CDC's emphasis on hand-washing is guided by the "science that supports hand-washing against respiratory infections in general." In particular, she cites a study conducted in Pakistan that showed that hand hygiene measures cut the rate of pneumonia in half. One of the unique features of swine flu�the fact that it causes diarrhea�also suggests to some that it could be transmitted on the hands like other diarrhea-causing diseases that do not belong to the influenza family. Schuchat stresses that the best way to protect yourself will be to get the vaccine once it becomes available in October, but adds that the CDC continues to believe that "contact precautions are useful with this flu." But the ferrets and guinea pigs tell a different story, says Dr. Michael Osterholm, of the National Institutes of Health-supported Minnesota Center of Excellence for Influenza Research and Surveillance, and head of the University of Minnesota's Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy. Researchers in the Netherlands used ferrets to study the transmission of H1N1 and found that the disease was efficiently transmitted by small airborne particles. An earlier study examining a different flu strain in guinea pigs found that the animals did not pick up the virus from contaminated cages. That suggests that you're not really safer from the flu virus if you scrub your hands, paws, or cages because the virus travels through the air. While there's not enough evidence to conclusively say the flu works the same way for humans, the current research suggests that the H1N1 flu travels mostly by air, not via hand-to-hand contact�and therefore won't be prevented through hand-washing. "We don't want to create a crisis in confidence," Osterholm says, "but we have to be honest: the evidence doesn't show that hand-washing prevents the spread of the influenza virus." Nevertheless, hand-washing is still your best defense against getting sick generally this fall�colds and other respiratory diseases are no fun, even if they don't sound as scary as swine flu. For that and other flu viruses, don't seek solutions at the sink: your best chance of avoiding H1N1 this fall is to get the vaccine once it becomes available. http://www.newsweek.com/id/215435

Canadian-guerilla | 09-16-2009 12:43 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread this article was written months before the swine flu " pandemic " started Boston launches flu shot tracking City to pinpoint areas of low rates of vaccination November 21, 2008 Using technology originally developed for mass disasters, Boston disease trackers are embarking on a novel experiment - one of the first in the country - aimed at eventually creating a citywide registry of everyone who has had a flu vaccination. The resulting vaccination map would allow swift intervention in neighborhoods left vulnerable to the fast-moving respiratory illness. The trial starts this afternoon, when several hundred people are expected to queue up for immunizations at the headquarters of the Boston Public Health Commission. Each of them will get a bracelet printed with a unique identifier code. Information about the vaccine's recipients, and the shot, will be entered into handheld devices similar to those used by delivery truck drivers. Infectious disease specialists in Boston and elsewhere predicted that the registry approach could prove even more useful if something more sinister strikes: a bioterrorism attack or the long-feared arrival of a global flu epidemic. In such crises, the registry could be used to track who received a special vaccine or antidote to a deadly germ. "Anything you can do to better pinpoint who's vaccinated and who's not, that's absolutely vital," said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research & Policy at the University of Minnesota. "I wish more cities were doing this kind of thing." Boston is believed to be the first city to embrace this particular approach to tracking vaccinations against the seasonal flu, estimated to kill 36,000 people each year in the United States, principally the elderly. But when Boston bought the monitoring system from a Milwaukee company in 2006, emergency authorities had a far different use in mind: tracking people injured in big fires, plane crashes, or other disasters. "When there's a large catastrophic event, people end up in a variety of healthcare facilities," said Dr. Anita Barry, Boston's director of communicable disease control. "Of course, their family members and loved ones are trying to find out where they are and how they're doing." To see how well the system would work, emergency crews tested it at the Boston Marathon and the Fourth of July extravaganza on the Esplanade. The trial proved successful. "If we can make it work in the Boston Marathon medical tent, then you have to think about making it so that it can work in other environments as well - whether it's a community clinic or a doctor's office or a flu shot clinic," said Rich Serino, chief of Boston Emergency Medical Services. Thus, the idea to use the registry as a flu vaccine tracker was born. Every autumn in medical offices across the country, flu vaccine floods in. The perishable medical product must be delivered to millions in a matter of months. Keeping track of that cache of vaccine - and which patients are getting it - is a daunting proposition. In some medical offices, the information is entered into electronic medical records. At Boston's health department, nurses fill out paper forms. But there's never been any way to systematically monitor whether, for example, Dorchester has lower vaccination rates than the North End. "When you're working in one clinic, you don't have a good sense of that," said Dr. Alfred DeMaria, top disease doctor at the Massachusetts Department of Public Health. "But if you're tracking multiple clinics in real time, you can see where the uptake is better and where it's less, and then focus on outreach." Today's experiment, which does not require any additional direct spending, is a first step toward that. When people arrive for their shots, they will get an ID bracelet with a barcode. Next, basic information - name, age, gender, address - will be entered into the patient tracking database. There will be electronic records, too, of who gave the vaccine and whether it was injected into the right arm or the left, and time-stamped for that day. The resulting trove of data could be used to figure out why some patients had to wait longer than others to be vaccinated. "When all is said and done," said Jun Davantes, director of product management at EMSystems, the company that makes the technology, "Boston will be able to identify where there are certain bottlenecks in the process and hopefully improve it the next time around." Ultimately, city health authorities said, they envision creating a network across the city that would allow public and private providers of flu shots to add data to a registry. But acknowledging patients' privacy concerns, officials promised that if a citywide system were implemented, only a limited amount of information would be gathered - all sitting behind an encrypted firewall. "I have had people say, 'Oh, that's so big brother,' " said Laura Williams, EMS deputy chief of staff. "But in truth, the unique identifier is unique to the incident. It's not like you will go to the hospital, and they'll say, 'You're the one who got the flu vaccine at 10 o'clock yesterday at the Boston Public Health Commission.' " http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...shot_tracking/

PatColo | 09-16-2009 12:50 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # Rockefeller manager in mysterious suicide also involved with biochips # Le Monde reports on the failed 1976 mass "swine flu" vaccination programme in the USA # "Swine flu" jabs to start in Germany mid October # EU says "swine flu" pandemic will cause social and economic crisis # Criminal charges filed in France over secret forced mass vaccination plan # "The French need to know they are going to be injected," reports Le Parisien # Are vaccine tracking bracelets linked to WHO database? # 40,000 "swine flu" warning leaflets letter boxed in Auckland, NZ, alone # NZ Minister of Health cannot confirm "swine flu" jab safe and uncontaminated # French nurses reject "swine flu" jab over safety concerns: media does not report # Opposition to draconian pandemic flu Bill C6 in Canada # Sebelius gives green light to first four swine flu jabs in US: jab safety "not elucidated" says clinical trials report TheFluCase.com

thorgrim | 09-16-2009 01:54 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread If they are going to vaccinate in late October/November. Then the worst of the flu season will already be over and they can claim the vaccine was a success as new cases begin to lessen naturally.

thorgrim | 09-16-2009 03:00 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_d...p?q=1253036780 Stop Bill C6 in Canada! The swine flu vaccine is almost ready here in Canada. Bill C6, is being fasttracked through the Senate after our uncaring/inattentive parliament rushed it through. People would never believe that we could be forced to accept vaccination with a vaccine that has had almost no testing for short or longterm effects! Well C6 does this and much more. The powers-that-be have tried to push this bill through before under different names but now have dropped many proceedural processes and are rushing it through. Canada will be officially handed over to the control of the U.N., World Health Organization(WHO) and the Control of the International Monetary Fund (big banks). The WHO has MANDATED VACCINATION for ALL! people in 194 countries! That includes you and your family! (China is forcing all its 1.6 billion to be vaccinated and France announced it will be suspending human rights to vaccinate their people. Think it can\'t happen here???) If you dont think that is possible see www.falseflagflu.com or search the government website for Bill C6 homepage and read the bill for yourself! And if this is passed into law then the removal of your rights to \"Due Process\" (phone call, lawyer) can be transferred later to any other legislation that our corrupt govenment chooses. See \"Interpretations\" and what \"government\" will become with Bill C6. http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Parl=40&Ses=2&Mode=1&P ub=Bill&Doc=C-6_3&File=35 Under this law too, a HEALTH inspector will be allowed to enter your home without telling you why to search for ANYTHING that is SUSPECTED TO BE RELATED TO ANY PRODUCT THAT SOMEONE HAS DETERMINED A RISK TO THE COUNTRY! You might have had this product/document for decades but if it is on the banned list too bad for you. The government has been very sneaky about this bill. It has been defeated before as C41, C51/52 yet now have been able to get it into the senate. There has never been a bill like this in Canadian history that removes so many rights or one that gives YOUR COUNTRY AWAY TO THE RICH BANKERS OF THE UNITED NATIONS. Please use Copy/Paste to move the short letter below into an email and the addresses (as a block) into your address bar then send it to tell the asses in Ottawa that you want to remain a Canadian citizen and don\'t want to lose your rights to say NO! to questionable medical procedures before it\'s too late. The senate is reading this treasonous bill this week!!!

AndreaGail | 09-17-2009 05:14 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.wsbtv.com/health/20966768/detail.html Quote:
US To Share 10% Swine Flu Vaccine Globally White House Says Move Would Help Fight Spread Of H1N1 Posted: 12:34 pm EDT September 17, 2009 Updated: 4:05 pm EDT September 17, 2009 WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama says the United States will share 10 percent of its swine flu vaccine supply with other nations to help fight the deadly virus' global spread. The White House on Thursday announced that flu vaccines to counter the virus known among scientists as H1N1 would be available through the World Health Organization. The U.S. is working with Australia, Brazil, France, Italy, New Zealand, Norway, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom to share vaccines. Susan Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, told reporters at U.N. headquarters in New York that the announcement "is one that has real relevance to the work of the United Nations and to our shared interest in promoting and sustaining global health." "As the World Health Organization has reported, the 2009 H1N1 influenza virus has continued to spread globally since April, causing outbreaks around the world. The speed and the scale of our global response will help minimize the overall impact of the pandemic 2009 H1N1 influenza and ensure our collective and common security in our increasingly interdependent world," Rice said. She repeated Obama's announcement that the U.S. was joining the other countries "on collective action aimed at saving lives and minimizing economic and social dislocations that may be caused by the 2009 H1N1 influenza around the world." "As vaccine supplies emerge, they will be made available to the WHO on a rolling basis to assist countries that will not otherwise have direct access to the vaccine," Rice said. "We invite and encourage other nations to join in this urgent global health effort, donating vaccine, money and/or technical assistance in an international effort to save lives around the world," she said.

AndreaGail | 09-17-2009 05:16 PM
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Swine flu season may peak before vaccine available, state health officials say Posted by Associated Press September 17, 2009 8:54 AM Categories: Health File State Health Officer Don Williamson speaks to the Madison County EMA about swine flu in May.BIRMINGHAM, AL -- State health officials say Alabama's swine flu season may have peaked by the time vaccine to protect against the new H1N1 virus becomes widely available. Swine flu vaccine is supposed to be available in limited doses starting next month, which likely will precede the virus' widespread circulation in the Northeast and much of the United States. But swine flu already is widespread in Alabama and much of the Southeast, largely because of the states' early school start. State Health Officer Don Williamson told a crowd at University of Alabama at Birmingham Wednesday that this could deter people from getting vaccinated. But Williamson warns that the new virus could come back in a third wave next spring, following the pattern of the 1918 pandemic.
http://blog.al.com/breaking/2009/09/...peak_befo.html

AndreaGail | 09-17-2009 05:24 PM
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WJZ.COM Editor's Picks Marylanders Love The Ravens! Video From The Water Cooler 2009 US Open Highlights CBS New Fall Lineup - 2009 Don't You Know Who I Am? E-mail Close Window E-mail This PageH1N1 Vaccine To Go To Children & Pregnant Women Required fields are marked with an asterisk(*) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Recipient E-mail:* Your Name:* Your E-mail:* Add a Message: Send me a copy of this e-mail. Type the characters in this picture:* Click here to refresh with new letters -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information you provide will be used only to send the requested e-mail and will not be used to send any other e-mail communications. Read more in our Privacy Policy Send E-mail The following page was sent to H1N1 Vaccine To Go To Children & Pregnant Women A copy was sent to your e-mail address Send Another E-mail Print Share + Yahoo! Buzz Digg Facebook Stumble It! del.icio.us Fark Twitter Sep 17, 2009 4:53 pm US/Eastern H1N1 Vaccine To Go To Children & Pregnant Women Reporting Derek Valcourt BALTIMORE (WJZ) ― Click to enlarge1 of 1 Thousands of vaccinations will soon be headed to Maryland, but it could be months before the state has enough for everyone. CBS Close numSlides of totalImages Related StoriesH1N1 Survivor Speaks To WJZ (9/15/2009) Md. Researchers Test H1N1 Vaccine (9/16/2009) The federal government's approval of a swine flu vaccine means thousands of vaccinations will soon be headed to Maryland, but it could be months before the state has enough for everyone. Derek Valcourt explains how the state will decide who gets the shots first. Some people will need protection more than others. The state says those people will move to the front of the line. Those who have caught the swine flu know how serious it is. "You are just devastated. You can't do anything," said Ron Lalich. Real concerns about the virus forced a quick response from the federal government. The first vaccinations could be arriving in the hands of Maryland health officials within weeks. "So right now, we are leaning forward anticipating to get this vaccine because we certainly know the virus is here," said a health official. The state won't be getting all of the vaccine on day one, so Maryland is setting up a priority list. At the top of that list, those the virus could hit hardest -- children with chronic medical conditions and pregnant women. Health care workers will also be inoculated to prevent the virus from spreading. "We'll get enough from the federal government to cover all Marylanders," said an official. It could be months before there's enough supply to vaccinate everyone according to state officials. So far, more than 2,000 doctors offices have registered with the state to give out the vaccinations. In the meantime, doctors urge all Marylanders over six-months-old to get the regular seasonal flu vaccine now. They remind people to handwash frequently and stay home from work or school if you see signs of illness. "And what we've seen about this virus is that it is very contagious and we see spread in schools in colleges in daycare, and that's what we want to stop right now. Before we get the vaccine into people, we want to make sure that they take steps to prevent the spread," said an official. Maryland state health officials expect they'll be giving out swine flu vaccines past the holidays and well into next year.
http://wjz.com/local/h1n1.flu.swine.2.1191024.html

Canadian-guerilla | 09-18-2009 08:50 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread U.S. to Donate 10 Percent of Swine Flu Vaccine to WHO The United States plans to donate 10 percent of its supply of pandemic H1N1 influenza vaccine to the World Health Organization for use in low-income countries. The nation has on order 195 million doses of the swine flu vaccine, which is due to start arriving early next month. The White House said it "is taking this action in concert" with eight other countries. The White House released no details about the program, such as timetables and total amounts of vaccine to be donated. Officials at the Geneva-based WHO did not respond to phone and e-mail inquiries. The other countries making donations are Australia, Brazil, Britain, France, Italy, New Zealand, Norway and Switzerland. Earlier this summer, two vaccine manufacturers, Sanofi Aventis and GlaxoSmithKline, said they would donate 150 million doses of pandemic vaccine to WHO. Global production, by about 20 makers in all, is projected to be 2 billion to 4 billion doses over a year. The number of people who could be protected is uncertain. The first tests of the pandemic vaccine showed that adults will need only one shot, not two as some experts predicted. Children, however, are likely to need two. "The United States recognizes that just as this challenge transcends borders, so must our response. We invite other nations to join in this urgent global effort," the White House said. The statement noted as well that "we remain confident that the United States will have sufficient doses of the vaccine to ensure that every American who wants a vaccine is able to receive one." WHO officials have grappled all summer with how to prevent virtually all the supply of vaccine and antiviral drugs from going to rich countries, leaving poor countries unprotected. "Improving access to vaccine is the central global issue at this time," Keiji Fukuda, WHO's assistant director general, told epidemiologists and influenza researchers in Washington this week. They were meeting at the Institute of Medicine to discuss events of the first five months of the pandemic. Negotiations between WHO, the United Nations, vaccine manufacturers and wealthy countries that have standing orders for an essentially limitless supply of pandemic flu vaccine have been "slow and time-consuming," Fukuda said. Without them "the least developed countries are not really going to have a chance of getting the vaccine." But he acknowledged that "nobody expects the numbers to work out in this pandemic." Fukuda said that "prolonged ad hoc negotiations" like the ones this summer would be unrealistic in a pandemic more severe than this one. In 2007, when researchers complained that Indonesia was not making samples of H5N1 "bird flu" available for study, WHO convened intergovernmental negotiations to try to reach an agreement for sharing both virus samples and the benefits that might result from them, such as vaccines. The negotiations ended this year without a full agreement. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...704297_pf.html

PatColo | 09-20-2009 03:00 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # Where are the 90 million "swine flu" vaccines a week coming from? # States, Institutions requiring swine flu shots for healthcare workers, writes Emma Hitt # Len Horowitz files pandemic charges against Rockefeller # Microchip company announces more work on H1N1 tracking system # Nasal sprays are to be first "swine flu" vaccines # Corporate media tries to put own spin on avalanche of injury expected from swine flu shot # Translation of criminal charges filed in France over secret government forced mass vaccination plans # Swedish police, military and Interpol to guard deliveries of GSK "swine flu" vaccine # Leading Finnish doctor Rauni Kilde talks about the "swine flu" conspiracy # CDC experiments on ferrets to make hybrid "swine flu" and "bird flu" virus # US Mother says to district: "No Vaccines" in schools # "Swine flu" jab warning posters go up in New Zealand: please donate to Penny Bright # UK REGIONAL PANDEMIC PLAN: MASS VACCINATION CENTRES, POLICE AND TRANSPORT TO CENTRES # WHO poised for global dictatorship # Finland announces "swine flu" vaccinations to start from October # Baxter distributing "swine flu" vaccines though clinical trials not complete # US, Europe offer "swine flu" vaccines to developping countries in covert biological war # Australian mass "swine flu" vaccination programme to start end September # Canadian govt sends body bags to Indian reserves for 'flu readiness' # Ron Paul reported to be introducing a No Compulsory Vaccine Bill # The next virus comes in 10, 9, 8 ..... # Why Millions of Americans Don't Need a Swine Flu Vaccine, Mike Adams reports # Conference in Montreal on September 23 on swine flu vaccine risks # Germans sue Berlin government over quarantine # UK Law allows Forced Mass Vaccinations # French Health Minister declares Start of "Pandemic" # SECRET UK GOVERNMENT DOCUMENT TALKS OF "SPECIALIST" VACCINATION CENTERS, MASS FATALITIES AND VACCINATION OF 100% OF POPULATION # EMERGENCY UPDATE: US Soldier says Drills underway for Roadblocks for Forced Vaccination or Quaratine # The question about depopulation with vaccines find links to these stories at TheFluCase.com

Canadian-guerilla | 09-21-2009 03:11 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Over 1,300 new swine flu cases in Mexico in 3 days 19 September 2009, 10:16am IST MEXICO CITY: Mexico was hit with 1,341 new swine flu cases since Monday, bringing the total to 26,338 ahead of the usual autumn flu season, health officials said on Friday. The Health Ministry said one more person died from the A(H1N1) virus between Monday and Thursday, bringing the death toll to 218 in the country where the virus first emerged in April before becoming a pandemic. In late August, Health Minister Jose Angel Cordova estimated that nearly one million people could be infected by the virus during the winter, out of a total population of 100 million in Mexico. The global flu death toll has reached 3,486, up 281 from a week ago, according to the World Health Organization (WHO), which has reported 296,471 known cases of infection. That number is seen as far below actual figures as some countries lack systematic analysis. The UN agency said the Americas region still has the highest death toll, at 2,625. The Asia-Pacific region reported 620 fatalities, while Europe recorded at least 140 deaths. In the Middle East, 61 people succumbed to the virus while in Africa, 40 people have died from it. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/n...ow/5029623.cms

Canadian-guerilla | 09-21-2009 03:20 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Brazil registers 899 swine flu deaths: official Sep 16 09:37 PM US/Eastern Brazil has registered 899 deaths from swine flu, maintaining its status as the country worst-hit by the pandemic, according to the health ministry in South America's largest nation. In announcing the data, the ministry also said that the number of serious cases in the country "fell for the fifth straight week," indicating a reduction of the spread of the A(H1N1) virus. Brazil became the country with the highest death toll in late August when it surpassed the United States, which now has 593 swine-flu-related fatalities. Brazil's neighbor Argentina has 512 deaths. In its latest bulletin, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported that as of September 6 the virus has killed at least 3,205 people worldwide after being discovered in March this year in Mexico. Southeastern Sao Paulo state has been the worst hit, with 327 deaths, followed by Parana in the south with 222. Rio de Janeiro has recorded 84 deaths. On Tuesday, the WHO warned swine flu will have a "devastating effect" on poor countries where lives will be lost due to ill-equipped health care facilities. "The pandemic will test the world on the issue of fairness in a substantial way," WHO chief Margaret Chan said in a speech in Copenhagen. She noted that swine flu will cause "manageable disruption" in affluent countries. But it will "almost certainly have a devastating impact in countries with few health facilities and staff, no regular supplies of essential medicines, little diagnostic and laboratory capacities, and vast populations with no access to safe water and sanitation," she said. US drug regulators Tuesday approved a swine flu vaccine, keeping officials on track to begin a mass vaccination campaign by next month. The US government has purchased 195 million doses of swine flu vaccine and will make shots against the influenza A(H1N1) virus available free of charge starting next month, Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said. "The large-scale 2009 H1N1 vaccine program will begin mid-October with small amounts of vaccine becoming available the first week of October," she said. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

PatColo | 09-21-2009 03:46 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # Forced vaccination "theoretically" possible in UK, government admits # UN foresees millions of deaths and anarchy due to "swine lu" pandemic # French military told to get ready for forced vaccinations, says French scientist # Obama tells CNN he wants the "swine flu" jab # Australians among the first to get "swine flu" vaccine containing 50 ug mercury while clinical trials ongoing # David Icke in Italian: UN VIRUS RAFFORZATO E UNO STATO DI POLIZIA STAVA SEMPRE PER ARRIVARE A QUESTO PUNTO... ... ORA LO DOBBIAMO AFFRONTARE # UK government agency menaces mother planning legal action against GSK over jab that paralysed daughter # French teachers' union launches attack against government "pandemic" school plans # Vacunaci�n H1N1: desconfianza de las enfermeras. # David Icke in Spanish: EL MAYOR PELIGRO NO ES LA GRIPE … ES LA VACUNA. (David Icke) # Will UN soldiers be deployed to control the "pandemic emergency"? # Florida blank quarantine order brands people who refuse to comply as criminals # WHO admits that "swine flu" has not mutated into a more virulent strain: will this be a vaccine-generated pandemic? # Florida injunction against forced vaccinations reported in local news find links at TheFluCase.com

ColdWater | 09-21-2009 07:30 PM
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VeriChip shares jump after H1N1 patent license win Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:21pm EDT (Reuters) - Shares of VeriChip Corp (CHIP.O) tripled after the company said it had been granted an exclusive license to two patents, which will help it to develop implantable virus detection systems in humans. The patents, held by VeriChip partner Receptors LLC, relate to biosensors that can detect the H1N1 and other viruses, and biological threats such as methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, VeriChip said in a statement. The technology will combine with VeriChip's implantable radio frequency identification devices to develop virus triage detection systems. The triage system will provide multiple levels of identification -- the first will identify the agent as virus or non-virus, the second level will classify the virus and alert the user to the presence of pandemic threat viruses and the third level will identify the precise pathogen, VeriChip said in a white paper published May 7, 2009. Shares of VeriChip were up 186 percent at $3.28 Monday late afternoon trade on Nasdaq. They had touched a year high of $3.43 earlier in the session.
http://www.reuters.com/article/hotSt...58K4BZ20090921

Canadian-guerilla | 09-22-2009 09:48 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread H1N1 triage: Hope for the best, plan for the worst Last updated on Tuesday, Sep. 22, 2009 Faced with the prospect that, this flu season, H1N1 could become more widespread and deadly than it was last spring, everyone is wondering: What do we do if things get really bad? We hope the preparations being made at all levels of government will avert a crisis. But if the pandemic is more severe than predicted and we don't have clear processes to allocate scarce life-saving treatments fairly, patients could be vulnerable to the idiosyncratic decisions of individual health-care providers, as in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. This week, the first hospital plan in Canada to tackle the thorny issue of bedside pandemic triage was unveiled by Hamilton Health Sciences. This plan details the fair and transparent process to be followed in a worst-case scenario when there are many very sick patients who have a good chance of survival but not enough critical-care beds or ventilators. While the hospital is committed to providing supportive care to all severely ill patients in a pandemic, its triage protocol contains a stepwise process for deciding which patients will get access to critical care. Providers will assess the patient's clinical status and chances of survival, then a triage team will consider five additional factors when there are too few resources to treat all patients with good prognoses. Essential service workers, people exposed to influenza through professional duties, caregivers of dependents, and younger patients will be given priority access. These criteria will undoubtedly spark debate. But we believe this plan will allow us to ensure life-and-death decisions are made ethically and thoughtfully under potentially chaotic circumstances. Here's how the Hamilton Health Sciences protocol will work. The first step will be to triage patients according to the Ontario Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care's clinical guidelines: Does the patient need critical care? Does the patient have underlying illnesses that predict a poor outcome? Is more than one organ system affected? Does the patient improve with critical care? The goal of this triage process is to ensure that everyone who receives critical care survives. If there isn't room for all the patients who would most benefit from critical care, specially appointed critical-care triage teams will use supplementary criteria to decide. This model is intended to protect the public from the biases of individual triage officers, and to create a community of support for those charged with making the choices in situations of almost unimaginable stress. Each team will be made up of three people: a critical-care physician, a critical-care nurse or social worker, and a staff member from outside critical care. The supplementary criteria the triage teams may use to prioritize patients were defined after extensive review of the ethical framework embedded in Ontario's provincial plan, the bioethics literature, and feedback from stakeholders. These criteria include: (1) Does the patient belong to a profession that could help save/care for others? (2) Is it likely the patient became exposed to influenza through their professional duties? (3) Is the patient pregnant or a caregiver for dependents (children under 18, disabled adults or elders)? (4) Is there any evidence the patient is significantly more likely to survive than others? and (5) Is the patient significantly younger than others, thus at risk of losing more years of life? In a severe pandemic, it's possible that not everyone who needs critical care will get it. We know that our protocol is controversial and that it will have to be adapted to changing circumstances. Our goal in sharing it is to raise public awareness regarding the need for clear policies to protect both the rights of patients and the moral consciences of health-care professionals facing impossible choices at the bedside. I hope we never have to use it, but I'm sleeping better this fall, knowing our hospital is prepared for the worst. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1293606/

AndreaGail | 09-22-2009 02:49 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread new links at theflucase.com ...gotta thank patcolo for first linking to this great site!! La plainte du Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz aux USA Du 22 ao�t 2009 New York Health Care Worker Rally Against Mandatory Vaccinations, Infowars reports BBC part of "conspiracy" destroying UK democracy, says former director general US orders 29 million more doses of swine flu nasal spray which can transmit disease Sanofi "gifts" 100 million doses of swine flu jab to developping countries UK mass vaccination centres to operate in close contact with police, Infowars reports Nurses Plan Rally To Protest Mandatory Swine Flu Shot, Infowars reports Quebec employees protest order to take swine flu shot or stay away from work without pay Daycare Worker Told She’ll Be Fired For Refusing Mandatory Flu Shot, Infowars reports Public assemblies larger than 8 people to be prohibited from October 15th in French region readying for mass vaccinations French Minister of Interior approves recall for police reservists to active duty French Health Minister asked whether vaccinating entire population legal French army poised to join in mass vaccination of civilians, says Le Point UK RALLY AGAINST MANDATORY VACCINATIONS PLANNED FOR OCTOBER 3rd China begins mass "swine flu" vaccinations Germany prepares for "historical" mass vaccination campaign Rockefeller and Silverstein implicated in new FBI pandemic charges filed by Horowitz Rockellers order survey to figure out if they can get away with forced vaccinations and quarantines, after all US military practicises WHO pandemic "contaiment" exercises NY health care workers required to get vaccine Finland plans swine flu vaccines at workplace, children targetted first MSN hypes microchip that will allow 24/7 surveillance as cool gadget New Zealand anti-swine flu vaccine poster campaign: donations needed EMERGENCY UPDATE: Nasal spray has live virus, will spread disease WHO plans "Containment Zones" Former Baxter employee steers manufacturer of H1N1 micrchip tracker EU plans Orwellian surveillance system Native Indians in Canada first to be injured from pandemic vaccines WHO has been manipulating regulatory procedures to fast track pandemic vaccines since 2007, Dr Mercola reports

fromserpo | 09-23-2009 01:52 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread The Drug Cartel and Pandemic H1N1 Swine Flu Viruses and Vaccines Been posted elsewhere but Ive seen nothing like this,unbelievable September 21, 2009 Los Angeles, CA� World leading drug-industry investigators have uncovered stunning documents proving an international drug ring, operating from New York City, is behind the H1N1 swine flu fright and vaccination preparations. Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz, America�s leading consumer health expert, and Sherri Kane, an investigative journalist, have released shocking proof in legal affidavits that leaders of a private global biotechnology �trust� are behind everything you ever heard about pandemic flu, including its origin and alleged prevention via vaccination. Their documents, being sent through attorneys to the FBI today, evidence powerful industrialists operating a crime ring within �Partnership for New York City� are behind the pandemic�s creation, media persuasions, vaccination preparations, and health official promotions seen everywhere from supermarkets to health clinics. �David Rockefeller�s trust, that engages several powerful partners on Wall Street, including media moguls Rupert Murdock, Morton Zuckerman, Thomas Glocer, and former Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Jerry Speyer,� are implicated in advancing global genocide,� Dr. Horowitz wrote to FBI directors, through a team of attorneys assembled to stop the swine flu vaccines from being given. �This �partnership� controls biotechnology research and development globally. Health commerce internationally is also controlled virtually entirely by this trust that exercises near complete control over mainstream media to promote/propagandize its products and services for the drug cartel�s organized crime. This trust, in essence, makes or breaks medical and natural healing markets, primarily through the mass media companies and propaganda it wields for social engineering and market building,� Dr. Horowitz wrote. Among the most stunning revelations from the Horowitz-Kane research are those linking Larry Silverstein of Silverstein Properties, Inc., and the 9-11 terrorist attacks, to the drug cartel�s geopolitical, economic, and population reduction activities. Mr. Silverstein, leaser of the World Trade Center who authorized to have building 7 �pulled,� meaning detonated, is a chief suspect in the �9-11 truth� investigation. Silverstein is currently landlord and co-partner in the biotechnology trust founded by David Rockefeller and implicated by these new discoveries. �If these people can get away with killing more than 3,000 people in 8 seconds on 9-11, they are completely capable of murdering millions, even billions, of people worldwide this flu season,� Dr. Horowitz commented. �I pray these revelations will save millions of lives and help activists call upon President Barack Obama to demand legitimate inquiries into these genocidal atrocities.� Given the unprecedented nature and urgency of these findings, Dr. Horowitz has posted his affidavit for public review on FLUscam.com, praying other activist will spread the information in order to prompt governments worldwide to cease mass vaccination preparations to avoid becoming accessories to the crime of genocide. http://www.infowars.com/the-drug-car...-and-vaccines/

Canadian-guerilla | 09-24-2009 09:15 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Unpublished studies question whether seasonal flu shot raises swine flu risk Wed Sep 23 TORONTO - Unpublished Canadian data are raising concerns about whether it's a good idea to get a seasonal flu shot this fall and fuelling a drive by some public health officials in Canada to delay, reduce or scrap altogether campaigns to vaccinate against seasonal flu this year. Drawn from a series of studies from British Columbia, Quebec and Ontario, the data appear to suggest that people who got a seasonal flu shot last year are about twice as likely to catch swine flu as people who didn't. A scientific paper has been submitted to a journal and the lead authors - Dr. Danuta Skowronski of the British Columbia Centre for Disease Control and Dr. Gaston De Serres of Laval University - are consequently constrained about what they can say about the work. Journals bar would-be authors from discussing their results before they are published. Skowronski, who initially declined to speak after news of the findings leaked to the media, said it's important that the work gets the expert scrutiny the journal peer-review system provides. "Good scientists know that methods can influence results," she said Wednesday night from Vancouver. "For me, it's very important that we respect the peer-review process as good scientists. Because the implications ... are important. And if there are methodologic flaws, we need to be assured that every stone was turned over to make sure what we're reporting is valid." "Epidemiologists are taught there a limited number of explanations for results," she continued. "Either they're real, they're due to chance or they're due to bias or to confounding. And so it's going to have to be in one of those categories and that's true of any study conducted anywhere." While few people appear to have actually seen or read the study, the puzzling findings have been a poorly kept secret and many in the public health community in Canada have heard about them. The findings are causing consternation abroad as well, with officials at public health agencies and even at the World Health Organization worried the alleged link will deter people from getting vaccinated in a fall when many are being urged to get both seasonal and pandemic flu shots. The Public Health Agency of Canada was informed of the findings some time ago and has been seeking help here and internationally to try to figure out if the effect is real or if the studies are flawed. "An arms-length review of the various methods is currently underway to assess the validity of the studies relative to that observation," Dr. David Butler-Jones, Canada's chief public health officer, said via email. "We are also examining other data that will help to understand what if any association there is. We look forward to the results of the review and other data to inform our recommendations as we go forward." The U.S. Centers for Disease Control also knows of the work. It said it has looked for similar evidence in the United States but sees none. "It is difficult to speak about a study that has yet to be published, however, as this is an important issue involving the subject of seasonal influenza and the fast moving global pandemic of 2009 H1N1 influenza it is important to note the scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have not seen this effect in systems we have reviewed in the United States," spokesperson Joe Quimby said by email. A number of influenza and infectious diseases experts know of but are unwilling to speak publicly about the paper. But several were quick to note that British and Australian researchers haven't seen the phenomenon either. The lack of corroboration in other jurisdictions is "a red flag," said one expert, who believes the findings will be shown to be due to a study flaws. Another flu expert who was willing to speak on the record said they do not make sense to him either. "I cannot think of a good reason why this is biologically likely, especially since we have sufficient evidence now that ... there is priming in the population by the way the vaccine is working," said Dr. Arnold Monto, of the University of Michigan. He was referring to the fact that studies of swine flu vaccine show a single dose induces a strong and likely protective response in teens and adults. That suggests humankind's long exposure to seasonal H1N1 viruses has "primed" or awakened our immune systems to recognize the new virus and fight it off. Dr. Donald Low, chief microbiologist at Toronto's Mount Sinai Hospital, was reserving judgment on the findings. But he said this kind of effect of previous exposure raising the risk of future illness is seen in some diseases, like dengue fever. "We don't see that in flu," Monto countered. Low said it is important to get to the bottom of the issue, but in the meantime, delaying the use of seasonal flu vaccine makes sense for logistical reasons. Swine flu activity is on the upswing in the U.S. and in parts of British Columbia, and focusing on speeding delivery of that vaccine makes more sense now, he said. "If we're going to try to protect people, this is the virus we should be trying to protect them against," Low said, suggesting decisions on whether to try to vaccinate against seasonal flu can be done later in the season. He admitted the controversy could undermine the public's willingness to be vaccinated against influenza. "This is obviously difficult for public to be able to digest this," he said. "There's a crying need here for a prospective randomized controlled study." That type of study - which is not the kind on which the findings are based - is considered the gold standard of medical evidence. They are also costly and Skowronski said it wouldn't be feasible to mount one in time to help public health officials faced with the current dilemma of whether to push seasonal flu vaccine this year or not. "If it was possible, we would have attempted it," she said. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0...ccine_concerns

Canadian-guerilla | 09-24-2009 10:49 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread List Of USA States Which Have Implemented Legal Actions In Response To The H1N1 virus Wednesday, Sept 23rd, 2009 http://www.prisonplanet.com/list-of-...1n1-virus.html

thorgrim | 09-24-2009 11:50 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Thanks for the continued updates CG. :bear_thumb: So.... taking seasonal flu vaccines lowers your natural resistance. Who'd of thunk it? I like how they report on the findings and then spend the rest of the article trying to discredit and minimize them.

MNeagle | 09-24-2009 12:45 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread CNN doc says H1N1 made him sickest ever http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...sanjay.flu.cnn Sorry, I don't know how to embed videos, nor have I even listened to this; but the title sounded good.

PatColo | 09-24-2009 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MNeagle (Post 1937970) CNN doc says H1N1 made him sickest ever http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...sanjay.flu.cnn Sorry, I don't know how to embed videos, nor have I even listened to this; but the title sounded good.
page opens, then the video screen eventually says "general error", dead end. Down the memory hole? This Jane Burgermeister (TheFluCase.com) interview is from 7/4, but the big issues are the same, and you can get a feel for who she is, here's pt. 1/4 You Tube
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more headlines, # UK SAMPLE VACCINATION ORDER SPARKS FEARS OF FORCE # People who got flu shot last year more likely to get "swine flu", says Canadian study # Florida's Channel 3 features injunction to stop forced vaccination as top story # Libyan leader says swine flu artificial bioweapon at UN assembly # Native Canadians not hit by new outbreak, say health officials # UK mental health act changed to make "swine flu" vaccine refusal reason to be detained in hospitals # Baxter CEO implicated in fraud scandal # Video of the conference for the liberty of choice in health in Montreal, 12th September # Martial law takes hold of the USA under "swine flu" pandemic pretext, Infowars reports # Impending mandatory vaccinatins will affect the health, jobs of Canadians # Sheriff Mack advises people to alert their local Sheriff if facing forced vaccine or quarantine threat # Microbiologist alleges Baxter "swine flu" vaccine is a bioweapon # BELGIUM SUSPENDS DEMOCRACY AND CIVIL RIGHTS OVER "SWINE FLU" PANDEMIC # Florida media spotlights forced vaccination injunction # Bob Chapman talks about US Navy sailor's deaths at sea apparently after "swine flu" shot experiment # Notices in public newspapers warning of the dangers of the "swine flu" jab put in Australian newspapers # Baxter lobbies to get doctors critical of vaccines struck off register in Austria # Will the second American revolution start in Massachusetts over the "swine flu" jab? # Jane Burgermeister to give a talk on forced vaccinations and Switzerland in Z�rich, Sept 26 read them at TheFluCase.com

Canadian-guerilla | 09-25-2009 11:19 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.doh.wa.gov/Publicat/2002_...ebSmall158.gif Mercury limits suspended for H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine to improve access OLYMPIA - State health officials are taking steps to ensure Washington residents at highest risk for H1N1 (swine flu) infection have broad access to the new vaccine when its available. Secretary of Health Mary Selecky is temporarily suspending Washingtons limit on the amount of mercury (thimerosal) allowed in H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine given to pregnant women and children under three. more . . . http://www.doh.wa.gov/Publicat/2009_news/09-154.htm

sunshine05 | 09-25-2009 04:59 PM
Swine Flu - the virus and the mass vaccination campaign http://www.swineflushots.us/swine-flu-shots-ppt.htm The powerpoint presentation at this link is very good.

AndreaGail | 09-27-2009 12:35 AM
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Most parents won't have kids get H1N1 flu shots, study finds A national survey suggests parents are confused about the risks of the virus and its vaccine. Related WHO: Next Year's Seasonal Flu Vaccine Age of H1N1 Victims Causing Confusion In the swine flu era, don't touch the baby! Multimedia Swine flu: Complete coverage Stories Study: Parents Skeptical About Shot for Kids By Melissa Healy September 25, 2009 E-mail Print Share Text Size Germ-spreading schoolchildren are expected to be the focus of a massive U.S. vaccination campaign against the novel H1N1 flu. But if their parents are hearing the rallying cry to have their kids vaccinated, they're not buying it, says a new national survey. In a poll of 1,678 U.S. parents conducted by the University of Michigan's C.S. Mott Children's Hospital, 40% said they would get their children immunized against the H1N1 virus -- even as 54% indicated they would get their kids vaccinated against regular seasonal flu. Among those who said they do not intend to have their kids vaccinated against H1N1, almost half -- 46% -- indicated they're not worried about their children becoming ill with the pandemic virus. Twenty percent said they do not believe the H1N1 flu is a serious disease. There were differences along racial and ethnic lines in parents' responses, which were collected Aug. 13 to Aug. 31. More than half of Latino parents said they would bring their kids to get vaccinated against H1N1. Among white parents, 38% said they would do so. African American parents were the least inclined to vaccinate: 30% said they planned to do so. About half of the parents who said they'd pass on the H1N1 flu shot for their kids expressed concern about possible side effects of the vaccine. The chatter about seasonal flu and novel H1N1 flu, and the differences in their relative virulence, has certainly confused parents, the survey suggests. Half of respondents said they believe that, for children, seasonal and H1N1 flu pose roughly equivalent risks. "That perception may not match the actual risks," Dr. Matthew Davis, the poll director, said in a statement. Davis is a University of Michigan professor of pediatrics and internal medicine. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has said that though serious complications of seasonal flu appear to spare most kids and strike the elderly and very young most heavily, the novel H1N1 flu appears to hit children and young adults hardest. Not surprisingly, parents who believe that the H1N1 flu will be worse for children were most likely to say they will have their own children vaccinated. In a news release accompanying the poll results, Davis said that public health officials wishing to maximize vaccination rates among schoolchildren need to communicate clearly to their parents that kids are at relatively greater risk of becoming seriously ill with the novel flu strain if they get it. melissa.healy@latimes.com Copyright � 2009, The Los Angeles Times
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...2C579663.story

PatColo | 09-27-2009 01:54 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Here's a Burgermeister interview posted to youtube on 9/10, 54 mins: You Tube
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youtube description: "David and Goliath might be an appropriate title for this video. Because Jane B�rgermeister, as a committed Christian, possesses an almost unreasonable amount of courage in her single-handed stand - against what many perceive as being a giant that few people are equipped to fight. Jane is a young woman living in Vienna who, while working as a medical editor, was horrified to learn in early 2009 of the fiasco in which a Baxter International research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria, sent a quantity of human H3N2 viral material to 18 European laboratories. Such a supply of experimental material would have been totally normal - except that in this instance the H3N2 had been somehow contaminated with live H5N1... the far more lethal Avian Flu. As a medical editor, Jane immediately realized the import of what had happened - and what had nearly happened - and raised the alarm. But no-one in the Austrian media was interested. She then took matters into her own hands and filed legal charges against those who she considered the perpetrators to be. Very soon after, Jane was dismissed from her job without explanation. Undeterred, she sought support on the internet and continued her campaign. In the months since then she has attracted committed followers - and critics - all over the world. She is not alone in suspecting that there exists a literally diabolical plan which is nothing less than the genocide of potentially hundreds of millions of people worldwide. Project Camelot can understand how she has inspired many others to wake up and take action: it's a little harder to understand some of her critics. When we learned that a number of serious accusations had been leveled against her, the obvious thing to do was to seek her out and talk to her on camera - one of the things that Project Camelot is equipped to do best. So, this we have done. The result speaks for itself. We bring you the real Jane B�rgermeister: feisty, determined, passionate, articulate, and authentic. " more headlines from TheFluCase.com, # Swiss military ordered to vaccinate the Swiss population # Jane Burgermeister to give a talk on forced vaccinations and Switzerland in Z�rich, Sept 26 # WHO intend to vaccinate at least 10% of the population in 90 countries # Union members in Iowa may refuse flu shots without punishment # Federal judge denied injunction against forced "swine flu" vaccinations # US states soon to order their "swine flu" vaccines - "everyone's going to get vaccinated" # New York Healthcare workers refuse the "swine flu" vaccine # BELGIANS PROTEST "DICTATORSHIP" ESTABLISHED UNDER PANDEMIC PRETEXT # Think before you take the "swine flu" vaccine, says medicinal chemist Shane Ellison # Canadian professor backs calls for "flu czar" to wield "stick" on forced "swine flu" jabs # Germans to get 50 million doses of untested GSK Pandemrix from October 19th # Russia mystified as WHO identifies "swine flu" death with no data # WHO admits "swine flu" is not mutating into serious disease # 65% of French nurses will refuse "swine flu" vaccine over safety concerns # Appel � tous les humains qui veulent le rester, par Jean-Jacques Cr�vecoeur # LLamado a todos los humanos que quieren seguir si�ndolo, Jean-Jacques Cr�vecoeur # Un certain nombre de questions troublantes � propos de cette pand�mie, par Jean-Jacques Cr�vecoeur # Pand�mie de grippe A H1N1 : Il reste tr�s peu de temps pour vous informer et pour vous mobiliser, par Jean-Jacques Cr�vecoeur # N�mero de preguntas preocupantes con respecto a esta pandemia, Jean-Jacques Cr�vecoeur # Pandemia de gripe AH1N1: queda muy poco tiempo para informarse y mobilizarse, Jean-Jacques Cr�vecoeur # UK MASS VACCINATION PLAN STATES VACCINATION CENTRES MUST BE KEPT SECRET TheFluCase.com

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AndreaGail | 09-27-2009 02:02 PM
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H1N1 swine flu shot: Intense tracking for side effects posted by Dan Boniface 1 hr ago H1N1 SPECIAL SECTION WASHINGTON (AP) - More than 3,000 people a day have a heart attack. If you're one of them the day after your swine flu shot, will you worry the vaccine was to blame and not the more likely culprit, all those burgers and fries? The government is starting an unprecedented system to track possible side effects as mass flu vaccinations begin next month. The idea is to detect any rare but real problems quickly, and explain the inevitable coincidences that are sure to cause some false alarms. "Every day, bad things happen to people. When you vaccinate a lot of people in a short period of time, some of those things are going to happen to some people by chance alone," said Dr. Daniel Salmon, a vaccine safety specialist at the Department of Health and Human Services. Health authorities hope to vaccinate well over half the population in just a few months against swine flu, which doctors call the 2009 H1N1 strain. That would be a feat. No more than 100 million Americans usually get vaccinated against regular winter flu, and never in such a short period. How many will race for the vaccine depends partly on confidence in its safety. The last mass inoculations against a different swine flu, in 1976, were marred by reports of a rare paralyzing condition, Guillain-Barre syndrome. "The recurring question is, 'How do we know it's safe?"' said Dr. Gregory Poland of the Mayo Clinic. Enter the intense new monitoring. On top of routine vaccine tracking, there are these government-sponsored projects: --Harvard Medical School scientists are linking large insurance databases that cover up to 50 million people with vaccination registries around the country for real-time checks of whether people see a doctor in the weeks after a flu shot and why. The huge numbers make it possible to quickly compare rates of complaints among the vaccinated and unvaccinated, said the project leader, Dr. Richard Platt, Harvard's population medicine chief. --Johns Hopkins University will direct e-mails to at least 100,000 vaccine recipients to track how they're feeling, including the smaller complaints that wouldn't prompt a doctor visit. If anything seems connected, researchers can call to follow up with detailed questions. --The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is preparing take-home cards that tell vaccine recipients how to report any suspected side effects to the nation's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting system. "We don't have any reason to expect any unusual problems with this vaccine," said Dr. Neal Halsey, director of Hopkins' Institute for Vaccine Safety, who is directing the e-mail surveillance. After all, the new H1N1 vaccine is a mere recipe change from the regular winter flu shot that's been used for decades in hundreds of millions of people without serious problems. Nor have there been any red flags in the few thousand people given test doses in studies to determine the right H1N1 dose. They've gotten the same sore arms and occasional headache or fever that's par for a winter flu shot. But because this H1N1 flu targets the young more than the old, this may be the year that unprecedented numbers of children and pregnant women are vaccinated. Then there's the glare of the Internet -- where someone merely declaring on Facebook that he's sure the shot did harm could cause a wave of similar reports. Health authorities will have to tell quickly if there really do seem to be more cases of a particular health problem than usual. So the CDC is racing to compile a list of what's normal: 25,000 heart attacks every week; 14,000 to 19,000 miscarriages every week; 300 severe allergic reactions called anaphylaxis every week. Any spike would mean fast checking to see if the vaccine really seems to increase risk and by how much, so health officials could issue appropriate warnings. Very rare side effects by definition could come to light only after large-scale inoculations begin -- making this the year scientists may finally learn if flu vaccine truly is linked to Guillain-Barre, an often reversible but sometimes fatal paralysis. It's believed to strike between 1 and 2 of every 100,000 people. It often occurs right after another infection, such as food poisoning or even influenza. But the vaccine concern stems from 1976, when 500 cases were reported among the 45 million people vaccinated against that year's swine flu. Scientists never could prove if the vaccine really caused the extra risk. The CDC maintains that if the regular winter flu vaccine is related, the risk is no more than a single case per million vaccinated. So the question becomes, Is the risk of disease greater than that? Mayo's Poland cites a study in Chicago that found the rate of preschoolers being hospitalized for the new H1N1 flu last spring was 2 1/2 times higher than that possible Guillain-Barre risk. However the flu season turns out, the extra vaccine tracking promises a lasting impact. "Part of what we hope is that it will teach us something about how to monitor the safety of all medical products quickly," said Harvard's Platt. (Copyright Associated Press, All Rights Reserved)
http://www.9news.com/rss/article.aspx?storyid=124023

PatColo | 09-29-2009 12:11 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Forced Vaccines Refused By Nurses In New York
Forced Vaccines Refused By Nurses In New York
# Mandatory swine flu shots hit resistance, reports Washington Post # US government plans to monitor safety of untested "swine flu" jab after vaccination # New York Times acts as WHO propaganda organ # French doctor reveals more details of mass vaccination campaign planned for France # Forced "swine flu" vaccinations refused by nurses in New York # UK admits "swine flu" vaccines not tested for safety, says they will not be compulsory # US State suspends limits on mercury for "swine flu" jab # Canadian doctor asks: who benefits from toxic vaccines and genocide? # Canadian scientists warns of the dangers of the "swine flu" jab. # GlaxoSmithKline jab ordered by UK government kills schoolgirl # California swine flu jab checkpoint identified? Infowars reports # Swiss soldiers to be called up to "support" "swine flu" vaccinations, soldiers reveals at talk in Z�rich # Czech security infrastructure could be crippled by toxic jab # French Health Minister behind secret forced mass vaccination worked for big pharma for 12 years # French doctor Marc Girard warns of "swine" flu vaccine dangers on "pharmacritique" # Lettre de Jean-Jacques Cr�vecoeur offre une syntese sur la pand�mie et le vaccin du H1N1 en francais # Confidential Quebec document outlining forced vaccination plans sparks protests # Hungary to get unapproved and untested "swine flu" vaccine this week # EU approval granted to untested bioweapons for use as "swine flu" vaccines See full stories linked at TheFluCase.com

Goldhedge | 09-29-2009 01:26 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Ha! Letterman had this doctor on last night talking about the swine flu. Letterman stated "...I've never had a flu shot... and I don't plan on getting one now!" or words to that affect.

Canadian-guerilla | 09-30-2009 03:25 AM
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DMac00 | 10-01-2009 12:02 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread The Swine Flu Conspiracy
The Swine Flu Conspiracy
Sorry if repost. Good vid.

DMac00 | 10-01-2009 12:29 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Taking children from schools discussed internationally
Taking children from schools discussed internationally
This PDF is a repost, I'm sure. Worth it to reread if you missed this: http://www.cesa.net/DOCS/08192009.PDF

PatColo | 10-01-2009 11:02 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Shepard Smith insists, he did not mean for this nurse's message to go out on the airwaves of FAUX News! You Tube
You Tube
More from TheFluCase.com, # UN and WHO to function as world government, reports Jim Tucker # Thread on flutrackers argues no pandemic on US Navy ships # Switzerland mobilises against toxic "swine flu" jabs # Swiss government appears to rule out forced swine flu vaccination # The trials and tribulations of Prince Philip # US people victim of economic crime # WHO and UN grab US land and water # New CDC guidelines on "swine flu" diagnosis full of contradictions and fictional figures # US nurses stand up against New York blackmail to force them to take untested jabs # Unconfirmed Swine Flu Outbreak on US Navy Ship after Crew Vaccinated, reports Stephen Lendman # INGLATERRA: NI�OS QUE RECIBIR�N LA NO-PROBADA “VACUNA DE GRIPE PORCINA” SER�N ARRIESGADOS A SER PORTADORES DE LA ENFERMEDAD. Claudia Calvo's news updates in Spanish # Doctor Admits Vaccine Is More Deadly Than "Swine Flu" Itself & Will Not Give It To His Kids # Video section updated with many more videos # Belgium vaccine resistance movement organises press conference # Pharma company involved with swine flu jab had hit list of doctors to neutralise, reports Mike Adams # Americans threatened with jail time, huge fines for refusing to buy health insurance, reports Mike Adams # EU gives approval to untested "swine flu" jabs for use from tomorrow # Australia begins historical mass vaccination experiment with untested "swine flu" jab today # Mainstream French newspaper allows criticism of mass vaccination campaign # $wine flu scam public meeting planned for October 3rd in New Zealand, reports Penny Bright # GlaxoSmithKline a member of Rockefeller's elite network # US Air Force General to compel troops and also civilians to get "swine flu" jab # US "swine flu" vaccination expert admits scientists clueless # Minnesota county recruits unqualified "volunteers" for "mass vaccination drill" # Study in New England Journal of Medicine raises doubts over nasal spray vaccines with live viruses # ECDC admits "swine flu" virus not severe: Dutch find mutated versions are also mild # "Swine flu" set to spread in US schools and colleges # Saudi Arabian to make "swine flu" vaccines compulsory for pilgrims # US "swine flu" jabs "available" from first week of October # UK children to be given untested "swine flu" jab will become carriers of disease # US health care workers protest orders to take untested "swine flu" jab # M�DICO CANADIENSE PREGUNTA: �QUI�N SE BENEFICIA DE VACUNAS T�XICAS Y GENOCIDIO? Claudia Calvo's updates in Spanish read them at TheFluCase.com

PatColo | 10-01-2009 11:20 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Jane Burgermeister - Vienna, 20.09.2009
Jane Burgermeister - Vienna, 20.09.2009

ColdWater | 10-02-2009 10:55 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Every day three, four, five healthy kids die from swine flu. No one can tell me why. Is it because they have blue eyes, a more virulent strain, or inhaled the virus deeply into their lungs?. If two kids died from ecoli poisoning from cafeteria food they'd shut down the school, run nonstop news headlines, and we'd all debate national legislation to make our schools safer. But 40% of the student body can be home sick with swine flu and the school day must trudge on. I guess they figure everyone's going to get H1N1 eventually and the ones that die, die. Remarkably this story hasn't been crapped on by the official marching chant that as a remainder to us all "the swine flu remains a mild flu and typically 36,000 people die from the flu every year." http://www.koat.com/health/21177413/detail.html Quote:
Rio Rancho Girl With H1N1 Dies Health Department Confirms Death Result Of H1N1 POSTED: 7:51 pm MDT October 1, 2009 UPDATED: 11:02 pm MDT October 1, 2009 RIO RANCHO, N.M. -- School officials has confirmed that a kindergarten student at Rio Rancho Elementary School died of the H1N1 virus. On Sunday, 5-year-old Trinity Olivares started vomiting, the family took her to the ER. where doctors told her parents that she was severely dehydrated. Doctors gave her IV fluids and everything seemed OK, then her heart stopped. Danelle Olivares, Trinity's mother said, "They said all things led to the H1N1 which really blew me away because she had no symptoms of that. She didn't even run a fever, that was what the OMI said." The New Mexico Department of Health stated a female infant from Roosevelt County has also died as a result of H1N1. Neither children had any other chronic medical condition, health department officials said. "Our sympathies go out to the families who are dealing with the loss of their children," said Health Secretary Dr. Alfredo Vigil.

StackerKen | 10-02-2009 08:44 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Im not afraid of no swine vac. I would Drink a quart of it! I don't like needles though...

Brio | 10-03-2009 06:19 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Canada: Study prompts provinces to rethink flu plan A �perplexing� Canadian study linking H1N1 to seasonal flu shots is throwing national influenza plans into disarray and testing public faith in the government agencies responsible for protecting the nation's health. Distributed for peer review last week, the study confounded infectious-disease experts in suggesting that people vaccinated against seasonal flu are twice as likely to catch swine flu. The paper is under peer review, and lead researchers Danuta Skowronski of the British Columbia Centre for Disease Control and Gaston De Serres of Laval University must stay mum until it's published. Met with intense early skepticism both in Canada and abroad, the paper has since convinced several provincial health agencies to announce hasty suspensions of seasonal flu vaccinations, long-held fixtures of public-health planning. �It has confused things very badly,� said Dr. Ethan Rubinstein, head of adult infectious diseases at the University of Manitoba. �And it has certainly cost us credibility from the public because of conflicting recommendations. Until last week, there had always been much encouragement to get the seasonal flu vaccine.� On Sunday Quebec joined Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario and Nova Scotia in suspending seasonal flu shots for anyone under 65 years of age. Quebec's Health Ministry announced it would postpone vaccinations until January, clearing the autumn months for health professionals to focus on vaccinating against H1N1, which is expected to the more severe influenza strain this season. �By the time the H1N1 wave is over, there will be ample time to vaccinate for seasonal flu,� Dr. Rubinstein said. B.C. is expected to announce a similar suspension during a press conference Monday morning. Other provinces, including Manitoba, are still pondering a response to the research. New Brunswick is a lone hold-out, announcing last week it would forge ahead with seasonal flu shots for all residents in October, as originally planned. So far, the study's impact is confined to Canada. Researchers in the U.S., Britain and Australia have not reported the same phenomenon. Marie-Paule Kieny, the World Health Organization's director of vaccine research, said last week the Canadian findings were an international anomaly and could constitute a �study bias.� An international panel is currently scrutinizing the research data. �The review process has been expedited, so we're hoping for a response within days,� said Roy Wadia, spokesman for the B.C. Centre for Disease Control. Dr. Rubinstein, who has read the study, said it appears sound. �There are a large number of authors, all of them excellent and credible researchers,� he said. �And the sample size is very large � 12 or 13 million people taken from the central reporting systems in three provinces. The research is solid.� The vaccine suspensions do not apply for people over 65. Seniors are considered more susceptible to severe seasonal flu symptoms. At the same time, they carry antibodies from a 1957 pandemic that seem to neutralize the current version of H1N1. Even if the statistical link is proven, the medical link between seasonal flu shots and H1N1 remains mysterious. One hypothesis suggests seasonal flu vaccine preoccupies the cells that would otherwise produce antibodies against H1N1. But, according to Dr. Rubinstein, the research shows that people who received the seasonal shot during the 2007-08 flu season remained vulnerable to swine flu well into 2009 � an interval that should provide most immune systems ample restoration time. �We don't understand the mechanism,� Dr. Rubinstein said. �At the present time it is quite perplexing.�

kiwi_envoy | 10-03-2009 06:22 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread David Icke - Swine Flu, Mass Vaccinations & G20 September 27, 2009 David Icke joins us to talk about the Swine Flu, Mass Vaccinations, the Corruption in the Pharmaceutical Industry, Nanochips in Vaccines, the G20 meeting in Pittsburgh and much more. We also talk about David Icke's upcoming seminar in Gothenburg, Sweden on Saturday October 24th. Topics Discussed: The Swine Flu Pandemic, Lab Created Virus? Pharmaceutical Companies: Novartis, Baxter International, GlaxoKlineSmith, Record Profits, Revolving Door Spins Government Aides Into Lobbyists, Goldman Sachs, FDA, Northcom, G20, The New World Order Controled Media, The Global Prison State, Banks, Sheep Mentality, Why are People so Scared? the SARS farse, Swine Flu Propaganda from 1976, Nano Technology, Nanochips in the Vaccines, Thiomersal a 49% Mercury based Antiseptic, Antifungal Agent as Ingredient in the Vaccines, Media Co Participation in the Agenda, Manipulation of Banking, Where are the Insiders? People Need to Begin to Speak out Aginst the Agenda! We talk about the Celebrities and the Men in Black Suits and White Coats and much more. Don't miss this important program! The 1st hour is free to download. Kiwi. :15_1_70v: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...RIR-090927.php

PatColo | 10-04-2009 02:33 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # Jon Rappoport interview of ex vaccine researcher # ONU Y OMS TIENE A SUS VOCEROS CLAMANDO DE NUEVO PARA UNA MONEDA MUNDIAL...Claudia Calvo updates in Spanish # Florida injunction update: Carmen Reynolds asks for sixty days and civil rights lawyer # Fox News reports on "swine flu" jab protests among health care workers # Baxter "swine flu" jab WITHOUT ADJUVANT approved # Americans sceptical of "swine flu" jab in spite of media hype, Harvard survey shows # More mass graves reported in Texas, reports Infowars # Everything is OK, Londoners reassured as UK slides into Orwellian police state # Doctor tells Fox News "swine flu" jab has 25,000 times higher levels of merucury than would be toxic in food or water # Video from the Jane Burgermeister Z�rich presentation (in German) read them at TheFluCase.com

StackerKen | 10-04-2009 02:37 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread is this thread in the right category?

Awoke | 10-05-2009 06:56 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread This from an Email: Quote:
Derbs, UK � an independent researcher has posted responses from UK Health Organisations to questions about the so-called �Swine Flu� pandemic. The responses provide no credible evidence to substantiate claims of a current or imminent pandemic. PRLog (Press Release) � Oct 01, 2009 � Andrew Johnson, an alternative knowledge researcher who runs www.checktheevidence.com , has posted a list of questions sent to two UK health organisations, along with their responses. Johnson became quite concerned about �the continued propagandising of this so-called pandemic�. He therefore sent questions to Derbyshire Primary Care Trust, an organisation responsible for the health of about 1 million people, and the Department of Health (DH), a government body which �exists to improve the health and wellbeing of people in England.� Johnson states, �I studied the swine flu related information coming out in the alternative media � there are a few ill-founded and poorly researched stories being disseminated, but there are also some serious questions which health organisations need to properly address, so I did my best to collate 17 questions and attempt to get answers to them.� In his letter to the organisations, Johnson mentioned the 1976 Swine Flu Scare, which seemed unfold in similar way to the one we are seeing now. He states: �In their responses, there was no real comment on the 1976 swine flu scare. There was no comment on people who sued the US government after they were vaccine-damaged. There was no mention, for example, that the US officials lied about the statements of people like Mary Tyler-Moore (a celebrity at the time), whom they said had taken the vaccine, but she had not � she went against the advice of her doctor.� Another issue Johnson raised was the information leaflet distributed to all UK households. �I have never before known a time when a health leaflet of this type was distributed to all households � at a cost of hundreds of thousands or perhaps millions of pounds. The NHS leaflet says �no one will be resistant� to Swine Flu (bottom of p. 4). This is clearly false � as there is always some natural immunity to new infections. In their response, the DH stated When the swine flu information leaflet was written it was correct to say that there was no immunity to the virus in the community. This referred to specific immunity to this particular virus. The Department now has the benefit of experience from the first wave of this new flu infection. Therefore, it seems there may be some specific partial cross immunity in the elderly population from previous flu infections. �I contend that the leaflet is misleading � and could have alarmed people unnecessarily.� Johnson continues, �The evidence now suggests that, almost 6 months after the supposed outbreak in Mexico, there is no apparent threat over and above an ordinary flu strain. In the UK, it seems the Swine Flu has claimed hardly any lives (though the media seem overly keen exaggerate this).� Johnson also asked if the UK Government had sourced vaccine doses, and if so, from which companies. The response from the DH stated it had sourced them from GlaxoSmithKline and Baxter Healthcare and also: The Government signed the advance purchase agreements for the vaccines in June 2007 and accepted liability for their safety as a contingency. Johnson responds, �It is a significant admission that agreements were made with Pharmaceutical companies 2 years ago, long before the current scare. Of course, some would argue this is all part of the �pandemic response plan�. However, previous threats of Avian Flu and SARS have simply not materialised, so what basis was there for making these agreements?� The DH response also said: All governments signing up to an advance purchase agreement were expected to provide an indemnity for the vaccine, and neither manufacturer would sign the contracts without it. The Government's decision was based on the best procurement and legal advice. Accepting liability in this way is in line with Government accounting rules, and was cleared by the Public Accounts Committee at the time Johnson comments, �I was staggered to learn that the UK Government has accepted any potential liability for damage caused by the products of some of the world�s richest companies! I can�t think of another situation where a government accepts such a potentially costly liability. Of course it�s ludicrous to go as far as suggesting that, in some way, the pharmaceutical companies held these governments to ransom over the issue.� Another point he mentions is the potential cost of the vaccine and administering it to patients. �The response from the DH stated that the Doctor�s practices will be paid �5.25 for each vaccine dose administered. This would mean a cost of about �315 million to administer it to the whole of UK population. Then we add in the cost of the vaccine itself and we are perhaps approaching a figure of half a billion pounds. This is a huge financial commitment for a pandemic which has no credible evidence to back up its reality! Therefore we see the promotion of toxic treatments - like unproven Swine flu vaccines (just look at the ingredients) rather than non-toxic therapies or prophylactic vitamin supplements!�. On the use of vaccines in general Johnson comments, �A number of doctors question the whole use of vaccines. Dr Rebecca Carley, Dr Leonard Horowitz and others point out the toxic constituents in vaccines and the damage to health they can cause. More recently, in the UK, we have had more reports of damage to health - and even death - being linked to other vaccines, such as the HPV. Another question Johnson posed was regarding a World Health Organisation WHO) �checklist document�. The document states During a pandemic, it may be necessary to overrule existing legislation or (individual) human rights. Examples are the enforcement of quarantine (overruling individual freedom of movement), use of privately owned buildings for hospitals, off-license use of drugs, compulsory vaccination or implementation of emergency shifts in essential services. These decisions need a legal framework to ensure transparent assessment and justification of the measures that are being considered, and to ensure coherence with international legislation (International Health Regulations). Johnson asked if Britain is a signatory to this �checklist� or if any legislation was in place which would mean that this �checklist� could be applied to UK citizens. The DH responded: The WHO document to which you refer is simply intended as guidance to assist member states in their flu pandemic planning. �This suggests Britain is a member state, but they made no comments on any UK legislation � or what the �International Health Regulations� referred to in the WHO document are (or who makes those regulations).� He also asked to why the current pandemic was regarded as serious, they said: A flu pandemic is serious because, depending on the virulence of the virus, there is the potential for a large number of deaths. Even if it is less virulent, very large numbers of people can be affected, causing significant social disruption due to absence from work. For example, healthcare could be affected. Distribution of food using road transport from large supermarket depots could be disrupted due to absence. The seriousness of a flu pandemic is not just due to the potential for the virus to cause premature death. Johnson comments, �This refers to the definition of a pandemic in general � but no one anywhere has provided any credible evidence that the swine flu is a dangerous pandemic. This is the key point in all of this. No research is quoted, no figures given � nothing!� In conclusion, Johnson says: �In working through these questions and answers, I can only conclude that there is no credible evidence that a pandemic is imminent. It seems the actions of these bodies are not concerned with protecting our health � they are concerned with handing over control of our health to private companies, funding them in this activity.� The full article including the letters written, questions and responses can be read at http://www.prlog.org/10360701-uk-hea...ic-claims.html

Ryedale | 10-05-2009 08:36 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by traderken (Post 1954257) is this thread in the right category?
Probably not... what do you suggest??

Canadian-guerilla | 10-07-2009 11:22 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Sebelius: Americans must get swine flu vaccination (AP) � 3 hours ago WASHINGTON � Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius appealed anew Wednesday for widespread inoculation against a surging swine flu threat, calling the vaccine "safe and secure." Sebelius unconditionally vouched for the safety of the vaccine, saying it "has been made exactly the same way seasonal vaccine has been made, year in and year out." Appearing on morning news shows to step up the Obama administration's campaign for vaccinations, Sebelius said that "the adverse effects are minimal. ... We know it's safe and secure. ... This is definitely is a safe vaccine for people to get." Sebelius was asked on CNN about surveys showing many parents were wary of getting their children vaccinated for fear the vaccine has been too hastily prepared and wasn't safe. She replied that it was targeted specifically at the H1N1 virus and was "right on target with an immune response." The HHS secretary appeared as new cases of the flu, particularly among younger people, have been appearing recently. Some 600 people have died so far from the flu in this country, and the government has targeted roughly 90,000 sites to receive the swine flu vaccine by the end of this month. "This flu is a younger person's flu," Sebelius said on NBC's "Today" show. "Kids have no immunity to the flu ... children are great carriers of bugs and viruses." Because of the danger of easy transmission, especially in school and day-care settings, Sebelius said, "We strongly urge parents to take precautionary steps. Flu kills every year ... and we've got a great vaccine to deal with it." "There's going to be plenty of vaccine," the secretary said. "It's rolling off the production lines right now ... ahead of schedule, and that's good news... By the end of October we should have a substantial amount available and begin to vaccinate a wider population of folks." Said Sebelius: "There's no question the disease is out there, which is why today we're rolling out PSAs (public service announcements) ... to make sure people take steps to help prevent the spread of the disease, and in the meantime we will push the vaccine out as quickly as we get it off the production lines." Appearing on CBS's "The Early Show," she said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the President's Advisory Committee on Immunizations have identified five target populations: pregnant women, health care workers, children with underlying health conditions ages 6 months to 24 years, older Americans with underlying health conditions. "That's a lot of people," Sebelius said. "That's about half the population." "By the end of this week," she added,"we'll begin to have injectable vaccine also available. We're dealing with five production companies. That's very good news. But the vaccine will become available as the lines clear up. So as soon as we have any vaccine available, we're pushing it out to 90,000 sites around the country. The early going is a little bumpy but we'll have a good supply by October." http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...MClawD9B67SC80

PatColo | 10-07-2009 12:09 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadian-guerilla (Post 1959428) Sebelius: Americans must get swine flu vaccination
Jane Burgermeister queried CDC last Fall about the "...issue of whether there is evidence Secretary Kathleen Sebelius is working for WHO and the UN to implement an undeclared bioweapons war against the people of the US under cover of vaccinations. " Burgermeister got no response. duh. See the 4th story below at TheFluCase.com, # CDC attempt to create virulent virus failed, admits Nancy Cox # Canada's swine flu propaganda hits resistance # Americans should report domestic bioterrorism programme immediately, says Dr Carley # CDC replies to my email concerning evidence that Sebelius is a WHO agent conducting covert biological warfare on the US # Evidence of vote rigging during the Lisbon referendum in Ireland emerges # Swine flu jab protest planned in Edinburgh on Dec 12th after big show in London # GSK to produce 440 million doses of its "swine flu" jab classified by regulators as bioweapon # GERMAN GOV TELLS BIG PHARMA TO MAKE NEW VACCINE FOR PREGNANT WOMEN WITHOUT LETHAL ADJUVANTS: PRESSURE FROM STATES FORCES REVERSAL # GERMAN GOV ORDERS PHARMA TO MAKE NEW "SWINE FLU" JAB WITHOUT MERCURY AND SQUALENE: REVOLT AGAINST TOXIC JAB SPREADS # CDC moves from planning to implementation phase of biological war against US population # French health minister says "first massive deliveries" of "swine flu" jabs coming soon # Baxter vaccine oddities, by Lori Price # Hungarians to get "swine flu" jab from tomorrow # New Zealanders demand answers from their government, email from Penny Bright # La grippe de la Gouvernance Mondiale :The flu to usher in global government # Is the New Zealand Ministry of Health lying about Baxter and the "swine flu" jab? Jon Eisen reports # Vaccines Dark Inferno, by Richard Gale and Dr Gary Null # Study underlines danger of mercury in vaccines # Pandemic aerosol and RFID chip in needles: Dr Carley reports on the intensifying biological warfare # "My 1-year old grandson killed by shots in Michigan," Elizabeth Wallace reports # New Jersey judge throws out Vawter's federal injunction against forced vaccination # Biggest vaccination experiment in US history starts # European Parliament grants pharma immunity over "swine flu" jab # Secret agreement controls the vaccinations in Sweden # Aluminum in vaccines increases thimerosal's toxicity # Stuck in a plane with an adverse flu shot reaction? # Health experts wary of Swine Flu vaccine # Ineffectiveness and Dangers of Flu Shots # Cervical cancer vaccine "as deadly as the cancer" Read them at TheFluCase.com.

DMac00 | 10-07-2009 12:17 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Hospital in Colorado reported to have got RFID bracelet shipment Quote:
An unconfirmed report has come in that hospitals in Colorado are receiving RFID tracking bracelets, ready to be used to enforce the "swine flu" jab. "I just found out from my neighbor that one of our local hospitals, in Montrose, has received a semi load of RFID tracking bracelets, which they have stored in their basement. What alarming news! Here is the letter I wrote to my activist friend in Olathe about this. Do you know anyone who works in a hospital near you so you can do some checking?," writes the contact.
More on the RFID bracelet, from Verichip: VeriChip Corporation Granted Exclusive License to Patents Used in Virus Triage Detection System for H1N1 Virus Quote:
Virus triage detection system being developed in conjunction with partner, RECEPTORS, will help process patient samples DELRAY BEACH, FL and CHASKA, MN � September 21, 2009 -- VeriChip Corporation (�VeriChip�) (NASDAQ: CHIP) and its development partner RECEPTORS LLC, a technology company whose AFFINITY by DESIGN� chemistry platform can be applied to the development of selective binding products, announced today that VeriChip has been granted an exclusive license to RECEPTORS' Patent No. 7,504,364 titled �Methods of Making Arrays and Artificial Receptors� and Patent No. 7,469,076 �Sensors Employing Combinatorial Artificial Receptors,� in their application to the development of the virus triage detection system for the H1N1 virus. The patents can also be applied to detection systems for other viruses and biological threats such as Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA). Last week, VeriChip announced its plans to fund its existing partnership with RECEPTORS to develop the virus triage detection system for the H1N1 virus. The companies have published a white paper entitled, "An Integrated Sensor System for the Detection of Bio-Threats from Pandemics to Emerging Diseases to Bioterrorism," which outlines the system's development and is available at www.verichipcorp.com. Scott R. Silverman, Chairman and CEO of VeriChip, said, "In a short period of time following our announcement earlier this month that VeriChip has agreed to acquire Steel Vault Corporation (OTCBB: SVUL) and form PositiveID Corporation, we have been intently focused on maximizing our product portfolio and relationships in order to bring identification technologies and tools for consumers and businesses to market. Our strong balance sheet immediately positions us to invest in our partnership with RECEPTORS and we believe that receiving the exclusive license as it relates to this application of the '364 and '076 patents, which are the foundation of the virus triage detection system being developed with RECEPTORS, is a key step in the evolution of PositiveID. " (more at link via Verichip press release)
PDF Warning! This is the Verichip whitepaper on using RFID technology to monitor biological threats AN INTEGRATED SENSOR SYSTEM FOR THE DETECTION OF BIO-THREATS FROM PANDEMICS TO EMERGING DISEASES TO BIOTERRORISM Quote:
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY An integrated system for bio-threat (pandemic, emerging diseases, bioterrorism) detection must include stable, sensitive and selective solutions for the capture and analysis across the diverse spectrum of threat agents. In addition, the ideal threat agent detection and alert system should be capable of both single and multiplexed analysis over the range of toxins, viruses and microbes that present the most significant hazards. However, the products currently in the marketplace fail to provide a comprehensive solution and, most importantly, are not stable or scalable. Moreover, these systems are generally too specific as they are targeted to a particular pathogen strain. Thus, long development and approval cycles result in market introductions that are considerably post-threat and not adaptable to current or emerging threats. There is a clear need for a biothreat sensor system that spans the range from surveillance and early warning of both known and novel agents to multiplexed diagnostics for rapid and broadly applicable classification and characterization during an outbreak event. RECEPTORS' AFFINITY by DESIGN� CARA� platform and VeriChip's signal transduction and RFID communication expertise combine capture, analysis, response and report into a stable, scalable and threat selective platform which will be developed into an integrated suite of sensor products that cover the bio-threat/biodefense spectrum.

Canadian-guerilla | 10-07-2009 12:25 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread White House concerned about spreading flu in churches October 06, 2009 WASHINGTON (RNS)�The White House and federal health officials have released guidelines recommending that worshippers take precautions against spreading germs to reduce the risk of contracting swine flu. The guide, released by the White House Office for Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships and the Department of Health and Human Services, suggests that houses of worship encourage congregants to wash their hands often, use hand sanitizer, avoid crowded situations and interact without physical contact when possible. It also urges religious leaders to keep in contact with local health organizations and closely adhere to their recommendations. Joshua DuBois, the director of the faith-based office, said in a news release that faith leaders have significant power to help spread the word on how to stay healthy. The National Association of Evangelicals e-mailed its member congregations to suggest preparations for flu season by following the White House guide, which can be found online at www.flu.gov. http://www.baptiststandard.com/index...0170&Itemid=53

PatColo | 10-07-2009 12:47 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by DMac00 (Post 1959522) Hospital in Colorado reported to have got RFID bracelet shipment
I needed to refresh TheFluCase.com for the today's headlines, # WHO's Dr Chan admits in speech "swine flu" mild and not mutating to become more virulent # Americans at risk from flu because of nutritional deficiencies, writes Bill Sardi # Mia Nony compares WHO's approach to taking control of countries to the operation of H1N1 virus # "Everybody is concerned that the evidence itself might be sometimes falsified by the medical industry," says doctor in BMJ "swine flu" letters section # WHO, CDC and FDA knew all about mercury dangers in 2000, minutes of meeting reveal # Will the normal flu shot contain "bird flu"? Belgium documents spark speculation # Hospital in Colorado reported to have got RFID bracelet shipment # US Air Force General working for Rockefeller and the UN pushes deadly jab on soldiers, captain plains to refuse # Do NOT let your child get flu vaccine --9 reasons why, reports Dr Mercola # Takers of "swine flu" vaccine part of largest global medical experiment ever, avoidable atrocity, says Mike Adams read them at TheFluCase.com

Canadian-guerilla | 10-08-2009 07:31 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread a pro-vaccination article Health workers must get flu shot or quit Thurs., Oct . 8, 2009 Only half get vaccinated, risking dangerous transmission to patients Enough already with the whining, moaning, demonstrating and protesting by health care workers. Doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists, nurses� aides, and anyone else who has regular contact with patients ought to be required to get a flu shot or find another line of work. The California Nurses Association and the National Nurses Organizing Committee have issued statements that individuals should be able to refuse the vaccine. The New York State Public Employees Federation said that �vaccination for influenza is not as effective in the control of disease as vaccination for diseases such as polio, measles and mumps.� Other health groups wanted to know why those who preferred to shun the shot could not simply wear masks. Last week hundreds of people showed up in Albany, N.Y., at a rally to protest New York State�s plan to require all state workers to get both an annual flu shot and a swine flu vaccine. Most at the rally said their rights were being infringed. Excuse me? What rights might those be? The right to infect your patient and kill them? The right to create havoc in the health care workforce if swine flu hits hard? The right to ignore all the evidence of safety and efficacy of vaccines thus continuing to promulgate an irrational fear on the part of the public of the best protection babies, pregnant women, the elderly and the frail have against the flu? Those rights? Many hospitals in Illinois, Washington, Missouri, Georgia and Maryland are putting in place flu shot mandates. My own institution, the University of Pennsylvania Health System and its affiliated, top-ranked Children�s Hospital are leading the way in getting mandates moving. Why? The answer is simple: The vaccine will save lives. more . . . . http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33210502...th-health_care " MANDATORY " IS COMING

AndreaGail | 10-09-2009 12:38 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.9news.com/news/article.as...4720&catid=339 Quote:
"Fake" e-mail warns of side affects from H1N1 vaccine written by: Jeffrey Wolf John Torres 4 hrs ago Toolbox: Read Comments Print ArticleEmail ArticleSmallerLarger H1N1 SPECIAL SECTION KUSA - There are plenty of rumors surrounding the H1N1 vaccine, but one of them is in the form of an e-mail that scares just about anyone that gets it. - H1N1 vaccine arrives in Colo. The e-mail comes from someone with a sister named "Kim" and says that doctors at some unknown "Baptist" hospital are telling their staff and patients not to get the vaccine because of side effects. The e-mail claims that the vaccine is giving people Guillain-Barre Syndrome, a disorder that can affect the nervous system. However, 9NEWS has learned this e-mail is a hoax and authorities are telling people who get it to ignore it. The e-mail has gone to several people, almost like spam, and in every case is basically a word for word copy. 9NEWS spoke with two people that had gotten the e-mail. In one case, the receiver got it from his daughter, but when we called her, she had no idea where the e-mail originally came from. In the other case, the person who supposedly sent the e-mail and whose name and work number was on it was upset since she had gotten many calls about the e-mail but is adamant that this it didn't come from her and she has no idea how her name and number got on it. It appears that people sending the e-mail could be trying to legitimize it by using other people's accounts to send it. The date on the first e-mail 9NEWS saw, Sept. 13, was well before the vaccine was released and well before any side effects would be noticed. To reiterate, the e-mail is a hoax, and the best advice is to delete it not to send it on to others. To see an example of the e-mail, visit http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=51285. (Copyright KUSA*TV, All Rights Reserved)

PatColo | 10-09-2009 01:41 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreaGail (Post 1963053) http://www.9news.com/news/article.as...4720&catid=339
So they're going on offense, bedunking the email warnings going around at the grass roots level. As the above story stands, it's not even news worthy, except as propaganda telling sheeple to just ignore the alarmist messages they may be getting about the flu/vax racket. As the sender of flu/vax warning emails to my contacts, my emails are always loaded up with links to credible sources for all the claims made. The email spoken of in the news story above was just a puff ball, straw man for the propagandists to hold up and say, "see we looked into this stuff, move along nothing to see here."

MNeagle | 10-09-2009 09:32 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread US, other nations stop counting pandemic flu cases ATLANTA – U.S. health officials have lost track of how many illnesses and deaths have been caused by the first global flu epidemic in 40 years. And they did it on purpose. Government doctors stopped counting swine flu cases in July, when they estimated more than 1 million were infected in this country. The number of deaths has been sitting at more than 600 since early September. Health officials had previously counted lab-confirmed cases, though the tally was skewed because many people who got sick never were tested. Other nations have stopped relying on lab-confirmed cases, too, and health officials say the current monitoring system is adequate. But not having specific, accurate counts of swine flu means the government doesn't have a clear picture of how hard the infection is hitting some groups of people, said Andrew Pekosz, a flu expert at Johns Hopkins University. The novel H1N1 flu seems to be more dangerous for children, young adults, pregnant women and even the obese, according to studies based on small numbers of patients. But exactly how much more at risk those people are is hard to gauge if the overall numbers are fuzzy. "This wasn't as critical early on, when case numbers were low," said Pekosz. But now, it's hard to say exactly how swine flu's dangers vary from group to group, he said. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is relying on a patchwork system of gathering death and hospitalization numbers. Some states are reporting lab-confirmed cases. Others report illnesses that could be the new swine flu, seasonal flu or some other respiratory disease. Some say that's a more sensible approach than only counting lab-confirmed cases. Many people who got sick never get tested, so the tally of swine flu cases was off almost from the very beginning, they say. "It was a vast underestimate," said Dr. Zack Moore, a respiratory disease expert for the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services. What's more, as the initial panic of the new virus ebbed, fewer people were fully tested, so the results weren't as accurate or comprehensive. "The kinds of numbers you were getting later in the summer were different from the numbers early on," said Dr. Daniel Jernigan, deputy director of the CDC's influenza division. That's why the CDC shifted to counting the new flu like it counts seasonal flu cases, agency officials said. "We're concerned folks are focused on the numbers and missing that influenza is monitored by looking at trends," Jernigan said. It's likely that millions of Americans have been sickened by swine flu by now, CDC officials say. New York City alone estimates it had roughly 1 million cases since swine flu first hit last spring. While everyone would like an exact measure of how every disease is affecting society, that simply doesn't exist. "We don't even have a good measure of how many heart attacks there are every day," which would seem like a relatively easy thing to track, noted Marc Lipsitch, a Harvard University professor of epidemiology. More comprehensive tracking is not possible with current resources and medical record-keeping, some public health advocates say. "The fact that it is a challenge to come up with these data proves that we have underdeveloped surveillance systems in this country," said Jeff Levi, executive director of Trust for America's Health, a Washington-based public health research organization. Most disease investigation and case-counting is done by state and local health departments. But quality varies state to state, and in many places it may be getting worse: State budget shortfalls and other problems led to the elimination of 7,000 health department jobs last year and 8,000 more jobs in the first six months of this year. "You take for granted this work goes on. But it is difficult to take for granted any longer, with these cuts going on," said Robert Pestronk, executive director of the National Association of County and City Health Officials. However, Pestronk and others think the government's current system of flu tracking is adequate and getting better. The CDC has nine ways of monitoring influenza. Some focus on people who die from flu-like illness — one tracking deaths of children, another counting pneumonia and flu deaths of all ages in 122 cities. Other systems gather flu-testing information from labs across the country. And some rely on reports of flu-like illness from hospital emergency departments and from estimates from state and territorial health officials. Those systems combine to give a good general picture of whether more or fewer people are going to the doctor with flu, and how often lab samples are showing swine flu as compared to other respiratory bugs, health officials say. There are problems that make even that data incomplete or inaccurate. Rapid flu tests — which are used in counting hospitalizations — are often wrong when they indicate a patient doesn't have swine flu, CDC studies have shown. In some cases, flu or swine flu was only confirmed at autopsy. But most deaths are not autopsied. These problems are not unique to the United States. The World Health Organization also stopped counting cases in July, after deciding that tracking individual swine flu cases was too overwhelming for countries where the virus was spreading widely. The WHO has continued to update swine flu reports, but with the disclaimer that since countries are no longer required to test and report cases, WHO's numbers underestimate. Britain also releases weekly swine flu updates, but the numbers are estimates based on how many people go to their doctors with flu-like illness, as well as calls logged to the national flu service. Despite resource limitations and data imperfections, experts say the U.S. system is good enough to alert the experts when major changes occur in the pandemic. "There will always be an error factor, misdiagnosis, misclassifications," said Pestronk, formerly the head of a county health department in Michigan. "We'll never be at 100 percent of people getting tested. The question is what's good enough for purposes of planning and acting on the burden of disease." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091009/...ting_swine_flu

DMac00 | 10-09-2009 03:54 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread WHO Says It Will Take Years to Downgrade from Pandemic Alert Level

DMac00 | 10-09-2009 04:39 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread This might deserve its own thread: Len Horowitz files pandemic charges against Rockefeller Quote:
LOS ANGELES, CA -- Drug-industry investigators have uncovered documents exposing an international drug ring, operating from New York City, is behind the H1N1 swine flu fright and vaccination preparations. Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz and Sherri Kane, an investigative journalist, have released evidence in legal affidavits that leaders of a private global biotechnology "trust" are behind the pandemic flu, including its origin and alleged prevention via vaccinations. Their documents, being sent by attorneys to the FBI this week, evidence industrialists are operating a crime ring within the "Partnership for New York City" (PNYC), and are behind the pandemic's creation, media persuasions, vaccination preparations, and health official promotions. "David Rockefeller's trust, that engages several powerful partners on Wall Street, including media moguls Ruppert Murdock, Morton Zuckerman, Thomas Glocer, and former Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Jerry Speyer, are implicated in advancing global genocide," Dr. Horowitz wrote to FBI directors. "This 'partnership' controls biotechnology research and development globally. Health commerce internationally is also controlled virtually entirely by this trust that also exercises near complete control over mainstream media to promote/propagandize its products and services for the drug cartel's organized crime. This trust, in essence, makes or breaks medical and natural healing markets, primarily through the mass media companies and propaganda it wields for social engineering and market building," Dr. Horowitz wrote. Among the revelations from the Horowitz-Kane research are those linking Larry Silverstein of Silverstein Properties, Inc., and the 9-11 terrorist attacks, to the drug cartel's geopolitical, economic, and population reduction activities. Mr. Silverstein, leaser of the World Trade Center who authorized to have Building-7 "pulled" [detonated] is a chief suspect in the "9-11 truth" investigation. Silverstein is currently landlord and co-partner in the biotechnology trust founded by David Rockefeller and implicated by these new discoveries. Given the unprecedented nature and urgency of these findings, Dr. Horowitz has posted his affidavit for public review on FLUscam.com, hoping wide spread dissemination will prompt governments worldwide to cease mass vaccination preparations to avoid becoming accessories. "The last time I contacted the FBI I warned them about the impending anthrax attacks one week before the first mailings were announced in the press," Dr. Horowitz recalled. "It took them 6 months to respond. When they did, they made me a suspect in the mailings. This time I am warning the Justice Department a month before the deadliest genocide in history. I'm praying they'll take kindly to my appeal for a PNYC investigation, and Court-ordered injunction, to stop the vaccinations for public protection

Canadian-guerilla | 10-09-2009 08:06 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Mass. House approves bill allowing quarantines October 8, 2009 BOSTON�Public health officials would have the power to isolate individuals and order quarantines to contain the outbreak of serious contagious diseases under a bill approved by the Massachusetts House on Thursday. Supporters say that while the bill has been in the works for years, the emergence of swine flu shows the importance of having laws on the books to deal with public health crises. Critics say the bill gives the government too much power. The bill, approved by a 113-36 vote, is designed to clarify the authority of government and the rights of citizens in the case of a public health crisis. Backers say under existing law there are few checks on the power of government once the governor declares a health emergency. "The bill strikes that balance between protecting the community in the case of an emergency but also protecting the civil liberties of individuals," said Rep. Jeffrey Sanchez, D-Boston, House chairman of the Committee on Public Health. Sanchez said the House version of the bill eliminates some of the more contentious parts approved in April by the Senate including sections placing restrictions on the right to public assembly and allowing the arrest of individuals without warrant. The Senate bill would also allow the government to mandate vaccinations or place into isolation anyone who refused to be vaccinated -- a provision that was eliminated from the House version. "This bill does not change the law to force people to be vaccinated," Sanchez said. The bill spells out the authority of the public health commissioner once an emergency is declared -- including the power to force the evacuation of public buildings and order health care facilities to provide services to those sickened. The bill would also let the commissioner limit public access to contaminated areas, adopt measures to safely dispose of infection waste, and store and distribute antitoxins, serums, vaccines and antibiotics. One of the most contentious parts of the bill would give public health officials the authority to force individuals or groups into isolation or quarantine when there is "reasonable cause to believe that a disease or condition dangerous to the public health exists or may exist or that there is an immediate risk of an outbreak." The isolation or quarantine order can be made orally as long as it is followed by a written order. The bill allows those in quarantine to appeal to a Superior Court judge. It also bars employers from firing workers because of a quarantine order. Rep. Todd Smola, R-Palmer, said he heard from dozens of constituents worried about the Senate version of the bill. He said there wasn't enough time to study the changes in the House version, which he said still gives too much power to the commissioner of public health. "People have enough concerns right now relative to government control invading in their personal space and in their personal lives," he said. Other parts of the bill are designed to send up early warning signs of a potential outbreak, including requiring pharmacists to report increased prescription rates or unusual types of prescriptions. Public health officials would also be allowed to obtain medical records to try to investigate or monitor an outbreak, provided that the medical records remain confidential. The public health emergency would end whenever the governor says it is over or 90 days after it was first declared, whichever comes first. The compromise version of both bills must now be worked out. http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...g_quarantines/

Canadian-guerilla | 10-10-2009 08:46 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Child flu deaths climbing in U.S., CDC says October 8, 2009 WASHINGTON � Child deaths from swine flu were �shooting up" in the United States, with 19 deaths from influenza reported in recent days, a US health official said Friday. "Nineteen more pediatric deaths for influenza were reported to us this week. We�re now up to 76 children having died from the 2009 H1N1 virus," said Anne Schuchat, a senior official at the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). "To put that in context, in the past three years, the total pediatric influenza deaths ranged from 46 - 88. We�ve already had 76 children dying from the H1N1 virus and it�s only the beginning of October," Schuchat said. The flu season in the United States runs from August to March; the three previous seasons did not have concurrent outbreaks of seasonal and H1N1 influenza. Child deaths from the new strain of H1N1 flu had fallen back in the warm summer months after peaking during the spring, said Schuchat. But they were "starting to shoot up again" with the onset of the autumn flu season, she said, urging parents to have their children vaccinated against flu. The United States this week began a massive campaign to inoculate millions of people against swine flu. Children are one of five groups given high priority for the vaccinations, currently available only in the form of a nasal spray made with greatly weakened, but live, H1N1 virus. Clinical trials of the nasal spray vaccine have shown that it produces "a robust immune response" with one dose in children over the age of nine. But younger children will require two doses of the vaccine and infants cannot have it at all. Children are deemed to be at particular risk from the novel swine flu virus, and the CDC has recommended that all children be inoculated against seasonal and A(H1N1) influenza this season. On Monday, the CDC reported that the number of swine flu cases worldwide had jumped by at least 24,000 in two weeks to exceed 343,000, while deaths from the H1N1 virus edged up to m ? http://www.ottawacitizen.com/health/...45/story.html# Quote:
But younger children will require two doses of the vaccine and infants cannot have it at all
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PatColo | 10-11-2009 09:53 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # More than half of all Swedes will refuse the "swine flu" vaccination # Are we witnessing the fall of the republic or the rise of the resistance? # Indonesia plans to make own "swine flu" vaccine in one year # Protest against Orwellian corporate media grows # Tyranny under the imperative of taking care of your health # Video: "walk into sheriff offices and ask point blank what they plan to do" # UK mass "swine flu" vaccination with GSK bioweapon to start this month # WHO plans years of dictatorship under pandemic pretext # "$wine flu" protest reaches New Zealand capital # Swedish analyst files criminal charges against the Swedish Government # Obama "stunned" to be given Nobel Peace Prize # WHO's lab CDC intensifies propaganda efforts on behalf of "swine flu" bioweapon # New Zealand medical documentary puts health minister on the spot # L’OMS r��crit le dictionnaire et impose sa d�finition du mot "pandemie"... # Will airports become quarantine traps? # The public relations machine for the "swine flu" jab vaccine complex and the CDC, Richard Gale and Gary Null report # Swiss doctor tells patient he will fight before he takes the "swine flu" jab # Callers into radio shows show resistance in US to "swine flu" jab growing # Urgent lawsuit filed against FDA to halt swine flu vaccines, reports Mike Adams # Protest at Greek plans to use police to force people to sign "swine flu" jab consent forms # Government program to mass vaccinate "running into resistance", reports prisonplanet # Canadians' infostand on the "swine flu" shot gets attention from CBS # Foxnews and Glenn Beck promote dangerous "swine flu" nasal spray # 72 per cent of US parents worried about "swine flu" side effects # Two thirds of parents in San Francisco Bay area refuse "nasal spray" for their children # ULTIMAS ACTUALIZACIONES POR CLAUDIA CALVO # The WHO Flu Scam Video now available as a download - for free # Model summons to vaccine center from French Health Minister has emerged # 60% of doctors in German state will refuse to participate in mass "swine flu" vaccination "tents in market squares" # Germany's mass vaccination campaign to start on October 26th # "Swine flu" jab package inserts in German shift responsibility for damage to pregnant women to doctor # Goebbels „swine flu“ propaganda from the CNN # 3,000 US sheriffs to be sent information on the "swine flu" jab to avert martial law # Sebelius threatns Americans with untested WHO "swine flu" jab # CanadaFreePress reports on mass forced vaccinations with the "swine flu" jab # Parents forced to hunt for waiver forms as officials block action # GSK rakes in the cash for its "swine flu" jab classified as a bioweapon # WHO continues to conceal vaccine dangers in Orwellian propaganda push # ULTIMAS ACTUALIZACIONES POR CLAUDIA CALVO read them at TheFluCase.com Can anyone confirm this about Pills Limbaugh? Sounds unlikely... Callers into radio shows show resistance in US to "swine flu" jab growing Quote:
"My sister in law just told me that Rush Limbaugh spent about a half hour on the swine flu, saying he was never going to take the shot, but if they tried to force it, he definitely wouldn't take it! He then had callers who all chimed in, saying they're definitely not taking that shot. He has over twenty million in his audience," reports a listener.

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Brio | 10-11-2009 03:08 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Live Avian flu with 60% death-rate "accidentally" put in US vaccines US pharmaceutical company Baxter admitted to distributing active Avian flu H5N1 in their �vaccines� that were sent to 18 countries. H5N1 flu is the world�s deadliest, with a mortality rate of over 60% according to the World Health Organization (WHO). H5N1 �has caused the largest number of detected cases of severe disease and death in humans� of all known flu types, according to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). This potential pandemic was averted in March when alert researchers discovered the equivalent of a biological weapon that could quickly kill over two billion people, according to published data in American Scientist, a leading journal. Most Americans are unaware of this story, as mainstream media largely failed to report it (see here and here). Experts stated that contamination of vaccines with live virus is impossible through an accident because of strict BSL3 protocol (Biosafety level 3). Pathogenic and potentially lethal agents are always contained and fully supervised. This means that either BSL3 protection was ignored by Baxter, or that �vaccines� were created as lethal biological weapons.

PatColo | 10-12-2009 12:57 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread read @ TheFluCase.com # French government can't find doctors to volunteer to work in "swine flu" jab centers # Who is going to get the 50,000 safer "swine flu" jabs in France? # Island doctors resist French "swine flu" jab dictates # Spanish nun and doctor shares information on the "swine flu" jab threat on video # GERMAN ARMY SAYS SWINE FLU JABS WITH MERCURY AND ADJUVANTS TOO RISKY FOR SOLDIERS # Dr Carley's tip: have medic alert bracelet made that says "deathly allergic to vaccines." # Links to www.theflucase.com removed from main stream media # New book on the "swine flu" scam avaliable from Dr Marc Girard # BMJ study says washing hands and wearing masks effective for preventing spread of pandemic virus # Canadians to be given the "swine flu" jab in November before clinical trials are completed # Airports turning into detention centers: counter intiative needed now! # Baxter has to pay back millions for defrauding Medicaid # US corporate media calls for blind obedience over "swine flu" jab # US public health bodies gloss over dangers of giving seasonal flu and swine flu shots together # Indonesia planea hacer su propia �vacina de gripe porcina� en un ano: ULTIMAS ACTUALIZACIONES POR CLAUDIA CALVO # Sind wir Zeugen des Niedergangs der Republik oder des wachsenden Widerstands? (translated by Ruth Frei) # Estaremos siendo testigos de la caida de la republicca � �O de la subdia de la resistencia? (translated by Claudia Calvo) read @ TheFluCase.com

The White Rabbit | 10-12-2009 01:57 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Nuremberg Code The Nuremberg Code is a set of research ethics principles for human experimentation set as a result of the Subsequent Nuremberg Trials at the end of the Second World War. The ten points of the Nuremberg Code (all from United States National Institutes of Health) are: 1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; & should have sufficient knowledge & comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him/her to make an understanding & enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, & purpose of the experiment; the method & means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences & hazards reasonable to be expected; & the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. The duty & responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty & responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity. 2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, & not random & unnecessary in nature. 3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment. 4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical & mental suffering & injury. 5. No experiment should be conducted where there is a prior reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects. 6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment. 7. Proper preparations should be made & adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death. 8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill & care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment. 9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible. 10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill & careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject. Reprinted from Trials of War Criminals before the Nuremberg Military

AndreaGail | 10-13-2009 05:30 PM
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4 schools closed due to flu posted by Dan Boniface 1 hr ago Toolbox: Read Comments Print ArticleEmail ArticleSmallerLarger H1N1 SPECIAL SECTION PARK COUNTY - Students in Fairplay got an unplanned fall break on Tuesday after school officials shut down four schools for the remainder of the week due to a high number of absences related to flu-like symptoms. The Park County School District says Edith Teter Pre-School, Edith Teter Elementary School, Silverheels Middle School and South Park High School were shuttered until Oct. 19 due to the high number of absences. Charles Soper, the superintendant of Park County Schools, says about 55 out of 120 students were out sick from the high school and 84 out of about 220 students were out from the elementary school. "One of the big issues was: We didn't have enough staff to cover classrooms," Soper said. "We had 18 staff members, primarly teachers, out yesterday. We had to cancel and combine classes." A posting on the school district's Web site cited "a suspected H1N1 flu outbreak" and a "concern for the public health" as reasons for the closures. "It's been a combination of things," Soper said. "We do know we have the H1N1 flu up here, but there's also the seasonal flu, bronchitis, strep throat, pneumonia, it's just a combination of - the perfect storm." Additionally, school officials say a school board meeting planned for Tuesday evening in Guffey was also cancelled, along with a pair of public forums regarding new school facilities. They say those meetings may be rescheduled. All athletic events were cancelled for the affected schools, but Soper says those events will be rescheduled. According to Soper, a custodial crew was giving the schools a thorough cleaning, focusing on common areas and things like doorknobs and drinking fountains. Officials say the closures affect about 600 students. Two charter schools in Park County remained open, officials say. For more information on the closure, visit the Park County School District RE-2 Web site. (Copyright KUSA*TV, All Rights Reserved)
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PatColo | 10-14-2009 01:32 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # New Scientist: Swine flu jabs shunned despite availability # New section for translated articles # WHO SWITCHES OUT SEASONAL FLU VIRUS STRAIN # Key doctors in Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany, withdraw from mass "swine flu" vaccination campaign # Sanofi's Panenza: the secret and safe vaccine for the "elite"? # GSK forced to withdraw new drug over safety fears # Doctors in Berlin refuse to launch massive swine flu vaccination campaign # Most popular German newspaper features top doctor's warning over "swine flu" jab # Few first responders in the US line up for swine flu nasal spray # Nurses to sue over "swine flu" jabs # French government document ordering military to take "swine flu" jab surfaces # Patients have "zero" interest in the "swine flu" jab, German doctors report # Health care workers in Nevada shun the "flu mist": only 897 people in southern Nevada take toxic spray # French scientist calculates people 50 times more likely to die from "swine flu" jab than from flu # PROTESTAS CONTRA LA VACUNA EN ALEMANIA CRECEN POR EL RECHAZO DE SU EJERCITO, POR CONSIDERARLAS DEMASIADO PELIGROSAS. # �REVUELTA VACUNATORIA! # Unwanted vaccine piles up in Sweden # "Swine flu" vaccine bracelets report - update # Are we being ruled by Satanists? # German army gives health ministry "slap in the face" but "only right decision", says German virologist # Swedish activist on radio show 14:th and 15:th of October # Using Twitter to organise protests in the event of quarantine at airports # GERMAN PROTESTS OVER TOXIC SWINE FLU JAB GROW AFTER ARMY REJECTS IT AS TOO RISKY # Operation to inform US sherriffs over WHO flu jab threat underway # BMJ hypes toxic "swine flu" jab # Glen Beck claims he investigated and found no evidence of nanochip # DRACONIAN "SWINE FLU" BILL INTRODECED IN PENNSYLVANIA # NY Nurse Sues To Block Mandatory Flu Vaccines # UK health care professionals shun swine flu vaccine; government increases pressure # Vaccine revolt! Mike Adams reports # Vaclav Klaus stands defiant against the Fourth Reich under the EU TheFluCase.com

DMac00 | 10-14-2009 03:42 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Drive through vaccine propaganda Drive-Thru Vaccination Bays being set up.
Drive-Thru Vaccination Bays being set up.

DMac00 | 10-14-2009 03:45 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread The 666 Flu
The 666 Flu

PatColo | 10-14-2009 04:32 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by DMac00 (Post 1972542) Drive through vaccine propaganda Drive-Thru Vaccination Bays being set up.
The "dark irony" about that guy interviewed who took the regular flu jab to set an example for his daughter is, they're both now at greater risk of getting some flavor of flu. "JUST GET YOUR DAMN VACCINE!" http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p..._off_cliff.jpg "BAAAAAH!"

PatColo | 10-14-2009 04:43 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by DMac00 (Post 1972545) The 666 Flu
I'm sympathetic to the message, but I always find it a shame when people use streaming video to convey screenfulls of small font text readers must race to read, when the same can be conveyed so much more effectively with an article. If they're going to do video, at least voiceover with a reading of the text, and use the visual aspect to show pics of documents, news clips, etc. Related, this article is at TheFluCase.com today, Are we being ruled by Satanists? Quote:
I was listening to Infowars yesterday and Alex Jones talking to David Icke about Frederic Mitterrand, the French Culture Minister, and his admission, in his own autobiography that he raped young boys. In spite of this hideous crime, Mitterand was selected to be the Culture Minister by the French Prime Minister Nicolas Sarkozy with an especial recommendation from his wife Carla Bruni. Both have rallied to the defence of Frederic Mitterrand after he came under attack for standing up for Roman Polanski who was recently arrested in Switzerland for raping a drugged 13-year-old girl. Mitterand is the nephew of former French Prime Minister Francois Mitterand who admitted he was a Satanist. According to David Icke and Alex Jones, this paedophile rapist and their apologists in Paris is just the tip of the iceberg. Reports of bestial torture of women by the members of the Rothschild family in one of their cheateaus in France have emerged, ahd the Rockefellers, who founded the UN, and pushed through senate bill 666 to fund the development of bioweapons by pharma companies, helped install a St Lucy's (Lucifer's) chapel within the UN headquarters. In addition, Marc Dutroux, the Belgian padeophile, testified at his trial that he supplied children for rape, ritual torture and murder to the highest social circles. Evil has appeared to humanity in many shapes and sizes throughout history, personified as a populist, a blood-thirsty empire builder, a eugenicist, an insane monarch or a totalitarian dictator, or embodied in a political system such as Nazism, Facism, Communism, or as a metaphysical or demonic force that enters into our world from another dimension. Although our society � shaped by people like Frederic Mitterrand -- has increasinly marginalised and trivialised evil, claiming it does not exist, is only a projection or a concept that some people employ in order to threaten and oppress others, our culture testifies to the widespread belief in the existence of evil. Fairytales, myths, plays, films etc, video games are full of representations of the destructive force of evil on people�s lives. While all the world's religions praise virtue, goodness and life, they also all without exception condemn cruelty, selfishness and destructiveness. The ancient Greek philosophers Plato and Aristoteles held the view that virtue was not just a duty or the burden of conforming to rules imposed on us from outside but the path to true happiness. A part of virtuous life included fulfilling our own unique talents and life purpose. That's why the ancient Greeks thought there could be no "standard" virtuous life: our talents are too different; our life purposes are too varied. We are all happy and virtuous in our own way. Incidentally, the ancient Greeks also condemned peadophila, distinguishing clearly between emotional bonds of love between adults and children (agape) and physical bonds (eros). Contrary to the popular belief, the ancient Greeks were strongly opposed to any physical contact between adults and children, recognising the damage this does to children as well as to the adults and only encouraged emotional bonds between adults and children if these furthered children's talents and their development. The Russian novelist Fyodor Doestoevsky also explored how the evil people do to others eventually destroys their capacity for happiness and even their own psyches by creating feelings of fear, depression and shame. To escape the anguish of interior darkness, many people do not look at themselves in the mirror, make atonement to their victims and correct their actions. Instead, they tell themselves all kinds of lies and justifications and then seek new highs and new adrenaline rushes just like Frederic Mitterand raping young children for the �excitement� it gives him. It is unacceptable in my view that we are being governed by a group of people, who are supporting each other in secret networks such as the freemason network � some of the highest-grade freemasons are invited to the Bilderberg conferences every year � and who practice and defend the bestial rape of children, and who, in addition, promote a toxic �swine flu� jab for pregnant women and children knowing full well that this poisonous jab will lead to the death of many of those women and children. The ancient Greeks believed that virtue does not consist in saying "Amen, Amen" to every crime, in never rocking the boat and in finding excuses for every psychopath. In their eyes, virtue involved an active effort to do what was good - and to fight what is evil. It is time for us to draw the line and say "No" to child rapists and the pushers of toxins no matter how much money or power they have or how many justifications. Jane Burgermeister

elroy | 10-14-2009 04:59 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread My DIL [daughter in law] is an RN at the local ER. She says they are swamped with flu patients, in addition the phone is ringing non-stop with people asking if they should come to the ER because they have the flu. At this point there is no claim as to the type of flu, regular seasonal or flying pig flu. DIL says most of the people they are seeing present with headache, body aches, red eyes. Very little vomiting or diarreha. Those who call the ER are being told to stay home. My assumption is everyone has seen the dire warnings on TV and now when they get sick they are afraid they will die.:confused_ma:

PatColo | 10-15-2009 04:20 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # Deaths in China from flu vaccine # Gigantic sports hall in Germany to be used to vaccinate 15,000 people a day # MYSTERY OVER "CELTURA" JAB PLANNED FOR GERMANY AND SWITZERLAND # Health minister says "100 per cent" of Canadians to get "swine flu" jab; campaign to be finished by Christmas # Dr Len Horowitz raises awareness of "swine flu" jab threat in Arab world # Robert F. Kennedy JR tells the truth about the Government Vaccine cover up # Vaccinations in Russia to start in November with Ifuvir and Pandeflu # Israel says its NasVax "swine flu" jab is making progress # German mainstream media rips into "swine flu" jab # Another vaccine warning video sent to us by a reader # Doctor admits on CNN his children are not getting the "swine flu" jab # Draconian "swine flu" pandemic bill sails through Massaschusetts House of Representatives # Belgian lawyers take legal action to stop mass "swine flu" vaccinations # Who got to Dr. Diane Harper? Cervical cancer researcher retracts story warning about HPV vaccines (opinion) # H1N1 "swineflu virus" - a lab product! # Drugmakers, Doctors Rake in Billions "Battling H1N1 Flu" # Does the Vaccine Matter? # Woman disabled by this years flu shot # Famous Swedish doctor fired because of statements against the "swine flu" mass vaccination read them at TheFluCase.com

Brio | 10-16-2009 06:06 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread I think my husband has it. Has all the symptoms and has them good. I had a few symptoms and very mild so I never thought much of it but now he's sick oh is he sick :(

Drumblebum | 10-16-2009 09:30 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Brio (Post 1975596) I think my husband has it. Has all the symptoms and has them good. I had a few symptoms and very mild so I never thought much of it but now he's sick oh is he sick :(
My GF's 17 yo son has been sick for a few days, and is getting progressively worse. We ramped up the D3... we'll see what happens.

Miss Kitty | 10-16-2009 05:32 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Gov't: H1N1 Linked To 86 Child Deaths Swine Flu Causes Unprecedented Amount Of Illness Early In Season LAURAN NEERGAARD, AP Medical Writer Posted: 9:33 am PDT October 16, 2009 Updated: 11:33 am PDT October 16, 2009 http://www.kirotv.com/health/21316791/detail.html WASHINGTON -- The swine flu is causing an unprecedented amount of illness for this early in the fall, with the deaths of 11 more children reported in the past week. And less vaccine than expected will be ready by month's end, federal health officials said Friday. Of the 86 children who have died since the new swine flu arose last spring, 43 deaths have been reported in September and early October alone, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported. That's a startling number because in some past winters, the CDC has counted 40 or 50 child deaths for the entire flu season -- and no one knows how long this swine flu outbreak will last. "These are very sobering statistics," said the CDC's Dr. Anne Schuchat. Also surprising, about half of the child deaths reported since Sept. 1 have been teenagers. Until now, much of the attention has focused on younger children. Overall, what CDC calls the 2009 H1N1 flu is causing widespread disease in 41 states, and about 6 percent of all doctor visits are for flu-like illnesses, levels not normally seen until much later in the fall. There may be only 28 million to 30 million vaccine doses dispersed around the country by month's end, Schuchat said, short of the 40 million-plus the government had hoped. But more will continue to arrive weekly, and she urged patience as people await their turn. As of Wednesday, states had ordered 8 million of the 11.4 million doses of swine flu vaccine the government has ready to ship. Initial vaccine shipments were only of FluMist, the nasal spray version that can be used by only certain people -- those ages 2 to 49 who aren't pregnant and have no chronic illnesses such as asthma. But swine flu shots now are shipping, too, accounting for a bit more than half of the vaccine available today, Schuchat said. _________________ Omnium rerum principia parva sunt. - Cicero "If it goes to Egypt, Indonesia..it could turn into a very powerful H5N1 that is very transmissible among people," said Guan Yi.."Then we will be in trouble, it will be a tragedy." Back to top

Miss Kitty | 10-16-2009 05:34 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Swine flu vaccines delayed, CDC says Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:56pm EDT WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Delivery of some swine flu vaccines has been delayed because companies cannot make as much as they had hoped, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Friday. The CDC's Dr. Anne Schuchat said while 40 million doses had been anticipated for the end of October, only about 28 to 30 million doses would be available. "Yields for vaccine are lower than would be hoped," Schuchat said in a telephone briefing. She also said deaths from H1N1swine flu were above the epidemic threshold in some U.S. cities and states. H1N1 flu activity was widespread in 41 states, she said. "It is unprecedented for this time of year to have the whole country having such high levels of activity," Schuchat said. She also said more children had died in the space of a few weeks than usually die in an entire influenza season. "There are now a total of 86 children under 18 who have died from the 2009 H1N1 influenza virus," Schuchat said. As of Wednesday 11.4 million doses of H1N1 vaccine were available and 8 million had been ordered by states for distribution. The U.S. government has ordered vaccine from five companies: Sanofi-Aventis SA, CSL Ltd, Novartis AG, GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca unit MedImmune. Schuchat said 15 percent to 20 percent of patients with H1N1 who needed to be hospitalized were requiring intensive care. http://www.reuters.com/article/healt...ame=healthNews

Brio | 10-16-2009 08:58 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumblebum (Post 1975770) My GF's 17 yo son has been sick for a few days, and is getting progressively worse. We ramped up the D3... we'll see what happens.
Should be over soon my hubby is way better today. Lingering cough and headache but at least feeling normal.

Drumblebum | 10-17-2009 07:05 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Brio (Post 1976705) Should be over soon my hubby is way better today. Lingering cough and headache but at least feeling normal.
Glad to hear it... the boy is also much improved... I'm crediting the Vitamin D, of course!:applause_

PatColo | 10-19-2009 03:21 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread latest from TheFluCase.com, # Spiegel sounds death knell of mass "swine flu" vaccination campaign in Germany # German government sets up "swine flu" propaganda hotlines as opposition to jab mounts # URGENT: FORCED VACCINATION OF FLORIDA CHILDREN AT SCHOOLS TO BEGIN TUESDAY # About 75 % of Chandler, Arizona, firefighters refuse "swine flu" nasal spray # UK PM Gordon Brown cranks up carbon tax propaganda # WHO issues more fictional "swine flu" weekly updates # CDC "swine flu" jab tracking tool shows 6 million doses already shipped in the USA # Canadians protest draconian Bill C6 # U.S. government's $6.4 billion swine flu jab program will put public health sector under unprecedented strain, experts say # Swine flu jab letters on way in the UK # 130,000 Scots every week to get "swine flu" jab: publicity campaign planned # First UK health workers given the "swine flu" jab today # GSK "adjuvants" exceed "regulatory thresholds", GSK's own study reveals # French mass vaccination campaign to start tomorrow: health workers to get the jab first # German government "spin" claims safe jab for them is "cheaper" # Germans become aware of genocidal intention of their government # GlaxoSmithKline says German government has the right to order different "swine flu" jab from the rest of population # Fired Swedish doctor: "Corruption at the highest levels of WHO!" # Docs and cops in Denmark decline H1N1 vaccine # URGENT: FRENCH CHILDREN ABOUT TO BE FORCE VACCINATED AT SCHOOL # Jane Burgermeister invited to talk at the Anti-Zensur-Koalition conference, 31:st of October # "Swine Flu Deception" media collage video clip # Registered Nurse Explains Deadly H1N1 Vaccine # Ten questions about flu vaccines that doctors and health authorities refuse to answer # 75 % of Finns will not take the "swine flu" vaccine # Now you can print out, download and e-mail articles from this site easier # Swine flu vaccine has been ordered for all British forces in Afghanistan: but which vaccine? # "We, the people, will not be microchipped": documentary on IBM and Verichip # New French "swine flu" jab website: "unis face au vaccin" # Mysterious delays in the USA over "swine flu" jab deliveries # Canadian doctor makes Goebbels propaganda "swine flu" jab appeal # GERMAN DOCTORS IN OPEN REBELLION OVER SWINE FLU JAB, ACCUSE GOVERNMENT OF LYING # Top German government officials to take special "swine flu" jab in new "scandal" # German states defy federal government and order new "swine flu" jabs without adjuvants # Judge halts flu forced vaccinations for health workers: important precedent # The polio vaccine: a critical assessment of its arcane history, efficacy, and long-term health-related consequences # Dutch foundation goes to court to find out what is in the shot # Vaccine "side effects" reported in Sweden # Judge Halts Mandatory Flu Vaccines for Health Care Workers # Officials Say: Don�t Blame the Swine Flu Shot, You�ll Drop Dead Anyway # Chicago Alderman about Making Vaccination Mandatory # Could a "swine flu" jab nanochip interact with heavy metals to allow others to control your emotions? # Mystery over Baxter's decision to drop adjuvants and mercury from Celvapan # Has the lethal Novartis vaccine that killed people in Poland been repackaged as the Celtura "swine flu" jab? # Reports questioning "swine flu" jab seep into mainstream US media # Baxter harrasses Croatian film crew over successful documentary about vaccine contamination in Orth an der Donau # Even Reuters reports growing US resistance to untested "swine flu" jabs # UK citizens prepare to get their "swine flu" jab summons # UK "swine flu" jab campaign to start in days # UK government officials inundate hospitals with letters saying staff must take the "swine flu" jab # Scotland to begin "swine flu" vaccinations from October 21st # UK government to "offer" troops in Afghanistan untested "swine flu" jab # French government says mass vaccination to start November 6th after health personnel given jabs # French scepticism over "swine flu" jab gives government a headache # Forced vaccination provision dropped by Belgian government following protests # German federal states order "swine flu" jab without adjuvants: confusion as to suppliers # 81% of Germans say they are not likely to take the "swine flu" jab again, read them at TheFluCase.com

ColdWater | 10-20-2009 08:33 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weekly...2009/IPD39.htm http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weekly...ages/IPD39.GIF In past years it looks like most of the seasonal flu deaths occured between weeks 52 and 18 (successive year) with a peak about week 8. There aren't many deaths at week 40 until this year. We'll more than double last years death totals two months before the start of the typical flu season. Maybe the peak of this season has moved forward but I doubt it. I'm not sure more than 5% of the population has caught swine flu.

DMac00 | 10-20-2009 11:25 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread I haven't seen this video before. Sorry if repost: Revelations of the Swine Flu and Forced Vaccinations - Just Say No to the Vaccine
Revelations of the Swine Flu and Forced Vaccinations - Just Say No to the Vaccine

PatColo | 10-20-2009 01:22 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread latest from TheFluCase.com, # Austrian Ministers try to hide their actions as genocidal plan unravels # French TV clips shows medical students injecting each other with "swine flu" experimental jab as part of training # Belgians design consent form including fact that "swine flu" jab is not authorised # Court case in Belgium on "swine flu" jabs starts on 21st Oct # Farrakhan says "swine flu" jab depopulation tool as developping nations set to get millions of "free" jabs # Canadian government set to approve GSK's Pandemrix # Phoenix doctor says "swine flu" jab dangerous and unnecessary # 55 per cent of parents in Florida district want swine flu jab for their kids at school # Swine Flu Vaccination Protest Edinburgh, December 12 # German doctor tells Chancellor Merkel and co to give their "safe" "swine flu" jabs to children # Doctors in Germany protest "swine flu" jabs with adjuvants for kids: say no clinical data proving safety available # Belgian Minister forced to backtrack as protests grow # UK Professor tells MPs "limited" benefits of swine flu jabs for children # Welsh general public unwilling to take "swine flu" jab over safety concerns # BBC reports on "mini crisis" as health care workers refuse untested "swine flu" jab read them @ TheFluCase.com

JJ_ | 10-20-2009 05:45 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread A couple snips from the disclaimer doc. associated w/ the vaccs. that are being given at my company: Quote:
INFLUENZA VACCINE: The viruses that cause flu frequently change, so people who have been infected or given a flu shot in previous years may become infected with a new strain. Because of this and because of any immunity produced by the flu shot, there is a possibility of a decrease in the year after the vaccination that persons in the high-risk groups listed above should be vaccinated every year. This year�s flu shot contains the strains: an A/Brisbane/59/2007 (H1N1)-like virus, an A/Brisbane/10/2007 (H3N2)-like virus, and a B/Brisbane/60/2008-like virus to provide immunity against the types of flu which are thought to be most likely to occur in the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">United States</st1:place></st1:country-region> next winter. All the viruses in the vaccine are killed so that they cannot infect anyone. Vaccine will begin to provide its protective effect after about one or two weeks and immunity may decrease, on average, after several months. Flu shots will not protect all persons who get them against the flu. They also will not protect against other illnesses that resemble the flu.
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POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS FROM THE VACCINE: Most people have no side effects from recent influenza vaccines. Flu shots are given by injection, usually into a muscle of the upper arm. This may cause soreness for a day or two at the injection site and occasionally may also cause a fever or achiness for one or two days. Rarely, neurological disorders, such as Guillain-Barre syndrome have been temporarily associated with flu vaccine. As is the case with most drugs or vaccines, there is a possibility that allergic or more serious reactions, or even death, could occur with the flu shot WARNING-SOME PEOPLE SHOULD CHECK WITH A DOCTOR BEFORE TAKING INFLUENZA VACCINE:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> � Persons who should not be given the flu shot include those with an allergy to eggs that causes dangerous reactions if they eat eggs. � Anyone who has ever been paralyzed with Guillain-Barre syndrome as well as women who might be or are pregnant should seek advice from their doctor about special risks that might exist in their cases. � The vaccine should not be given to persons with a known sensitivity to thimerosal if administering Aventis influenza vaccine. � Persons who are ill and have a fever should delay vaccination until the fever and other temporary symptoms have gone.

Dave Thomas | 10-20-2009 08:07 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Heard a news 'blurb' on the radio stating today that the H1N1 strain seems to be hitting those under 25 yo harder. And that while traditionally those who suffered the most were over 60 that this time it's not the case. They had also mentioned that they were behind on the vaccine, but as soon as it was ready you should take it. Finally they wrapped up the report stating that unlike the seasonal flu, H1N1 will be active all throughout the year. That was what struck me as odd, almost like it had no finality attached to it, as in the case with other viruses that run their course. So from the report I crunched it through the old DT filter and some paper tape with text on it came out my mouth, it contained the following: 1) It's not just for the old and in firmed anymore 2) Get the vaccine as soon as you can 3) This threat is never ending, it won't end come springtime, see point 2 It was your typical AP/Reuters newsfeed stuff that is syndicated for the 15 minute between show announcements. FWIW.

MNeagle | 10-20-2009 10:20 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Interesting to note, that they claimd they weren't going to track this, yet they are tracking fatalities; and don't hesitate to publish it.

Canadian-guerilla | 10-21-2009 02:48 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread School To Shut Down After Major Flu Outbreak 972 Students At St. Charles East Call In Sick; School To Close Tomorrow And May Not Reopen Until Monday ST. CHARLES, Ill (CBS) - A suburban high school is shutting down after more than 900 students were out sick with flu-like symptoms on Tuesday, school officials said. St. Charles East High School will be closed, starting Wednesday and won't re-open until Monday at the earliest. All extra-curricular activities and athletic events have also been canceled beginning Wednesday. More than 700 students called in sick on Monday. The school enrolls about 2,100 kids, meaning about 40 percent of the student body stayed home from class today. Administrators do not know if the students are suffering from H1N1 or some other virus because they do not ask specifically about symptoms when students or their parents call in sick. It is believed to be the biggest outbreak of flu-like illness in the Chicago area since the school year began. more . . . http://cbs2chicago.com/local/flu.sch...2.1259960.html

ColdWater | 10-21-2009 01:28 PM
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Major Nurses Strike and Picket October 30 to Protest Hospital Swine Flu Safety Gaps SAN FRANCISCO, Oct. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- Some 16,000 registered nurses at 39 hospitals at three Catholic hospital chains in California and Nevada will join a one-day strike and picket October 30 as RNs step up the protest over poor readiness by many hospitals to confront the H1N1 pandemic, the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee (CNA/NNOC) announced today. The strike will affect hospitals across California from San Bernardino and Long Beach in the south to Eureka and Redding in the north, and include major facilities in Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Francisco, San Jose, Bakersfield, Stockton, and the Central Coast. Additionally, nurses will picket major facilities in Las Vegas and Reno, Nevada. Central to the walkout is concern over the failure of the hospital chains to assure adequate safety precautions for patients, their families, nurses, and other healthcare employees for the escalating H1N1 "swine flu" pandemic. Many hospitals continue to do a poor job, RNs say, at isolating patients with H1N1 symptoms and other steps to limit contagion, or provide sufficient fit-tested N95 respirators and other protective gear for healthcare workers and patients.
Full story http://www.reuters.com/article/press...09+PRN20091019

Ryedale | 10-21-2009 04:53 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Heard today one of the local hospitals had 195 people in the ER with "Flu" symptoms, and they "closed" the ER. will try to get some more info. I hear they have a protocol for such events. Many of our local schools were closed due to illness. Canceled activities, and closings list is long, sounds like a list when theres a major winter storm. Kalamazoo MI area.

PatColo | 10-21-2009 07:44 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread latest from TheFluCase.com, # Irish nurses to give the "swine flu" jab as GPs opt out # Doctors in Berlin refuse to give "swine flu" jab # Swiss government says kids and pregnant women should not take "swine flu" jab with adjuvant after protests # Nurses got sick from the "swine flu" vaccine in Sweden # French government unveils "swine flu" jab coupons: tool for population selection # French government letter generates confusion about whether pregnant women and small children will get adjuvants # Big pharma, government officials and media collude in "biggest profiteering scheme" ever, reports Evelyn Pringle # Dr Mercola on what the media doesn't tell you about the "swine flu" jab # Millions of Brits could be saved from "swine flu" jab summons by postal strike # Lower Saxony says GSK is having difficulties manufacturing "swine flu" jab, delay necessary # German doctor calls for parliamentary inquiry into "swine flu" jab scandal # Only 10 % of Germans want "swine flu" jab # German professor joins WHO propaganda effort # Belgian's Le Soir reports on legal action against "swine flu" jab # Tiny numbers of health care workers in Marseille say they will take "swine flu" jab # Threat of martial law in France looms as "swine flu" jab campaign starts # WHO scientist seeking to make swine flu more virulent says health personnel are the key # Dr Marc Girard goes on French TV to issue warning on untested "swine flu" jab # 82 % of Austrians unlikely to take "swine flu" jab # Austrian health minister admits he will not take "swine flu" jab # Baxter in Austria rolls out "swine flu" jab at night in secret operation # Climate Treaty Will Create World Government Dictatorship read them @ TheFluCase.com

Canadian-guerilla | 10-22-2009 12:12 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread H1N1 clinics start Monday ( Ottawa ) 22nd October 2009 Starting Monday, Ottawa�s public health department will start giving 75,000 H1N1 vaccine shots to pregnant women, people with chronic conditions and children under five in the first push of an unprecedented immunization campaign. The city is expecting a shipment of 37,000 doses of the vaccine by the end of the week, with another shipment of the same quantity arriving early next week for the opening Monday of five flu shot clinics throughout the city, said Dr. Isra Levy, Ottawa�s medical officer of health. H1N1 shots start Monday in Quebec October 22, 2009 QUEBEC � The second wave of the H1N1 flu virus is already hitting Quebec, the province�s public health director said yesterday in announcing that vaccinations, starting with those most vulnerable, will begin on Monday.

AndreaGail | 10-22-2009 02:48 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread great news my school didn't receive as many vaccines as initially reported they were supposed to receive roughly 13,000 but got only 2,000 doses

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thorgrim | 10-23-2009 12:56 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Found in another thread. Good info, thanks MasonicFRNS.:bear_thumb: Quote:
Originally Posted by MasonicFRNS (Post 1987046) People will not drop overnight, you will be damaged permanently like US Gulf War Vets. Almost all of them are sick and dying slowly, all were poisoned. The media ignores this. Hundreds of thousands are documented SICK ! All suffer different ailments cause nervous system is attacked and damaged. Covers your whole body. Swine Flu's vaccine's devastating ingredient - Squalene German Chancellor, Ministers Get Special Vaccine Without Soft Kill Ingredients | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED Government to get special swine flu vaccine - The Local Legal immunity set for swine flu vaccine makers: What are the implications? | Health/Medicine |Axisoflogic.com Further Study Undercuts HIV Vaccine - WSJ.com WATCH THIS, CANADA HAS A MUCH BETTER RECORD THAN THE USA CANADA DOES NOT HAVE A 50 NEEDLE SCHEDULE FOR KIDS NO THERMISOL, ETC, BUT LOOK HERE THEY FAIL EPIC FAIL CANADA <TABLE class=tborder style="MARGIN: 10px 0px" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width=425><THEAD><TR><TD class=tcat style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" colSpan=2>YouTube - Glaxo Smith Kline's H1N1 Vaccine produced for Canada </TD></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR><TD class=panelsurround align=middle><EMBED src=http://www.youtube.com/v/2QKNhgdno10&ap=%2526fmt%3D18&fs=1 width=425 height=350 type=application/x-shockwave-flash allowfullscreen="true" wmode="transparent"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> What are the contents of the H1N1 Vaccine that will be used in Canada. thiomersal 5 micrograms AS03 is the adjuvant system 0.5 ml AS03 contains: polysorbate 80 also known as tween 80 4.86 mg squalene 10.69 mg tocopherol 11.86 mg There is a second run of vaccinea for pregnant women that does not have the adjuvants, however as we heard in these conversations thiomersal is not considered an adjuvant, it is considered a preservative, so it remains to be seen if pregnant women will be exposed to mercury in the H1N1 vaccine. Here's one study that looked at the impact of Polysorbate 80 (also known as tween 80) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/ent... Short answer; polysorbate 80 injected can sterilize rats. Tocopherol has a wiki page here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocopherol and a reseach paper on how this may impact reproduction here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16... Short answer; tocopherol may cause low birth weight in human babies.

MNeagle | 10-23-2009 10:00 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread WHO: nearly 5,000 swine flu deaths worldwide GENEVA (AP) - Nearly 5,000 people have reportedly died from swine flu since it emerged this year and developed into a global epidemic, the World Health Organization said Friday. Since most countries have stopped counting individual swine flu cases, the figure is considered an underestimate. WHO said there were 4,999 total deaths through Oct. 18, most of them in the Western Hemisphere. The figure was up 264 from a week earlier. Iceland had its first swine flu death this week, and WHO said Sudan and Trinidad and Tobago also reported deaths from the virus for the first time this week. In London, drug maker GlaxoSmithKline PLC said children may only need one shot of its swine flu vaccine to be protected. In its statement Friday, Glaxo said one dose was enough to boost children's immune systems to fight the virus, based on data from a trial in Spain in 200 children aged six months to 3 years. Glaxo's finding comes after experts said they expected children would need two doses, since their immune systems are weaker than those of adults. Last week, rival vaccine maker Sanofi Aventis said children would likely need two doses of vaccine against swine flu, or H1N1. GlaxoSmithKline's Pandemrix vaccine contains an adjuvant, a chemical compound that stretches a vaccine's active ingredient and increases the human body's immune response. While European flu vaccines commonly use adjuvants, there is limited data on how safe they are in groups including children and pregnant women. The adjuvant in Glaxo's swine flu vaccine has been used in more than 41,000 people in bird flu, swine flu and regular flu vaccines. Swine flu vaccines in the U.S. do not have adjuvants. Some countries have ordered special stocks of vaccines without adjuvants for their at-risk populations. While most people recover from swine flu without needing medical treatment, the virus strikes children particularly hard. According to data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, more than half of hospitalizations and nearly a quarter of deaths due to swine flu are in children and adults under 25. An Associated Press-GfK poll found that a third of American parents don't want their children to get the swine flu shot, with many citing concerns about side effects. Of the thousands of people who have so far received the swine flu vaccine, the most commonly reported side effects have been soreness where the injection was given and minor flu symptoms. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...cle=1&catnum=0

argentos | 10-23-2009 11:21 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Latest UK news Swine flu doctors 'unnerved' by patients' decline Doctors have been "unnerved" by the severity of swine flu in some patients and their rapid deterioration into a "life and death situation", Sir Liam Donaldson, chief medical officer has said. � By Rebecca Smith, Medical Editor Published: 6:30PM BST 22 Oct 2009 Sir Liam Donaldson, the Chief Medical Officer, has warned swine flu will be the biggest challenge the NHS has faced in modern times. The number of people in intensive care with swine flu has reached its highest point yet, with 99 people currently in critical care beds out of a total of 506 in hospital. Sir Liam said intensive care specialists have told him privately that they are 'unnerved by the severity off the illness and how quickly it can develop'. He said some patients are 'getting into a life and death situation very early on'. � The number of patients in intensive care has risen from 74 last week. The proportion of patients in hospital who are in critical care has remained at around 12 to 13 per cent since the outbreak began but is now been at 20 per cent for two weeks. The reason for the sudden jump in the number of patients with suffering with severe swine flu is unknown. Sir Liam said the virus has not changed and further data will be collected to establish if there are common factors linking the patients in critical care, such as underlying illnesses. Paediatric intensive care beds are under particular pressure with 17 per cent of beds in some areas taken up by swine flu patients. Plans are in place to double intensive care bed capacity as cases rise and health officials said that is now becoming more likely. One in four of the patients in intensive care is under the age of 16. The number of people who have died so far in the outbreak has increased to 122 in the UK, with 93 of them in England. Sir Liam said over half of the deaths were in people aged under 45 and that this was a "very unusual pattern for flu". Older people seem to have some residual immunity against the H1N1 virus from previous pandemics involving similar strains, research has suggested, and swine flu is hitting young age groups harder. One in five deaths has been in children under the age of 15 and a further 34 per cent has been in people aged between 16 and 44, data from the Department of Health showed. Sir Liam said the swine flu pandemic will see unprecedented pressure on the health service for months to come as the second wave of the disease takes hold over the winter. Cases almost doubled in the last week with an estimated 53,000 new diagnoses of H1N1 in England in the last seven days. Revised predictions for the course of the disease over the coming winter were released by the Department of Health showing that at its peak week 1.5 million people may be ill. Over the winter 35,000 people may need hospital treatment and 15 per cent of them are expected to need critical care. Deaths could reach 1,000, which is significantly fewer than previously feared. One in three children are predicted to contract swine flu. Sir Liam said: "That would be significant pressure on the NHS. We are starting to worry about the peak, particularly the peak this season, but also the sustained pressure the NHS may face. "The NHS has never before had a run from the middle of July right through to March or April with intensive infectious disease like this in modern times. It is a very, very long period for the NHS to sustain its response." He added that as well as swine flu the NHS will have to cope with seasonal flu cases and other viruses. Vaccination of health and social care workers has begun and from Monday GPs will start to receive batches of the jab to give to pregnant women and people with long-term conditions who are a priority. The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency has launched a new website for healthcare professionals to report suspected reactions to the vaccine so any unusual or unexpected problems can be picked up quickly. :4_1_72::4_1_72::4_1_72::4_1_72: (my ROFLs) The most common side effect listed for the vaccines is a sore arm at the injection site. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/sw...s-decline.html

Ryedale | 10-23-2009 11:41 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread 1 Attachment(s) Flu Symptoms This is from a friend who's wife works at the hospital mentioned in my previous post. Click View and then Rotate Counterclockwise. Sorry for the poor attachment.

Canadian-guerilla | 10-24-2009 09:19 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread A vaccine for anxiety? The real reason why drug companies are pushing more vaccines (NaturalNews) There's a new vaccine for nicotine addiction, and another one for drug addiction. There's an AIDS vaccines (which doesn't work) and a vaccine for cervical cancer that's been approved for use on boys (boys don't have a cervix). Through the pharmaceutical industry, the big push for vaccines is on! But why, exactly? Is there suddenly a new rash of epidemic disease requiring vaccine treatments? No, not really. What's new is the way Big Pharma is latching on to these diseases as new opportunities to sell more drugs. There's a huge shift underway from drugs designed for sick people to a whole new class of drugs manufactured for healthy people. The new paradigm is that people need drugs before they get sick, as a sort of "protection" against sickness. Drugs, in essence, are being positioned as nutrients -- things the human body needs in order to be healthy. And from the moment you're born, you're considered deficient in these drugs. That's why babies are injected with vaccines within minutes after being born. There's a strong belief in the medical industry that babies are born deficient in vaccines and that such deficiencies must be "corrected" as soon as possible. This simple but powerful shift in the marketing strategy of Big Pharma has expanded the potential customer based from a subset of the population (people who are sick) to the entire world population. Now, everybody needs a vaccine for something say the drug companies. All that's necessary for the financial success of these scheme is to convince sick people that they need more drugs (or vaccines), and that's easily accomplished through disease mongering campaigns (like the current fear push over H1N1 swine flu). Bypassing the need for scientific evidence There's another important shift taking place alongside the big vaccine push: A shift away from "evidence-based medicine" to a new medical paradigm of "dogmatic belief." Medicines that treat sick people, you see, have to be proven to work. There have to be clinical trials, and some percentage of those sick people (only 5% or so, typically) have to show some sort of improved response after taking the medicine. This is the so-called "gold standard" of modern medicine. But with vaccines, no proof of efficacy is required. No placebo-controlled studies need to be conducted at all. Vaccines can be openly marketed and prescribed without any evidence that they actually work. This is the new "free pass" for Big Pharma -- a class of medicine that requires no proof! They merely need to be injected into a few hundred people who are observed for as little as two weeks to see if anybody died or collapses into a coma. That's all the testing that's required (and sometimes even less). No long-term safety tests are required or pursued, and, importantly, there is no requirement that the vaccine proves it actually works to reduce flu infections (or HPV infections, etc.). In essence, by pushing for a vaccine approach to virtually everything, including nicotine addictions, the pharmaceutical industry has transformed itself from a small industry that only served sick people with scientifically-proven medicines to a huge global industry that sells vaccines to everyone and needs no proof that they even work. By any assessment, it's a brilliant strategy for increasing pharmaceutical profits. At the same time, it's a hazardous approach to public health. Even while vaccines provide little or no benefit to the people who get them, they do present very real risks of serious harm. Teen girls have died horrible deaths following HPV vaccine injections (http://www.naturalnews.com/027151_c...), and routine vaccines for children continue to inject them with levels of mercury so high that even the EPA considers vaccine liquids to be toxic waste (http://www.naturalnews.com/027293_f...). Meanwhile, billions of dollars are being spent on seasonal flu vaccines and H1N1 vaccines without a shred of evidence that they actually work. The profitable sale of these vaccines to world governments was so easy and so lucrative that it's gotten the attention of drug companies. We're onto something! Vaccines are Big Pharma's new gold. They rake in the big dollars, they need no proof that they work, and as an added bonus, drug companies have been granted full legal immunity against all side effects by the U.S. governments! From the point of view of the drug makers, there's no risk involved in vaccines. There's no risk of scientific failure since no studies are being done to even question the efficacy of the vaccines. And there's no risk of being sued over side effects since these companies enjoy blanket immunity. It's all pure profit with no downside. This is the real reason why drug companies are looking for more vaccines to push. A vaccine for boredom? Ten years ago, the idea of mandating a cervical cancer vaccine to teenage girls would have seemed ludicrous. But today, it's the law in many states. It's easy to push, too, since they can always say it's being done for "public benefit." (Although, in reality, the primary beneficiary is Big Pharma.) Now, the drug companies are pushing theories that diseases like Chronic Fatigue Syndrome are caused by a virus or that prostate cancer is caused by a virus. These are attempts to establish a justification for future vaccines against such conditions. If drug companies can convince the medical authorities that a virus is responsible for heart disease, or cancer, or diabetes, then they can promote vaccines for those things, too. Before long, every human being will be targeted with a hundred or more vaccines for diseases they don't even have! It's only a matter of time before Big Pharma decides to start pushing vaccines for psychiatric disorders. Feeling bored? There will be a vaccine for boredom. Having trouble concentrating? Watch for a vaccine to be announced for ADHD. Afraid of public speaking? You'll probably see a vaccine promoted for "social anxiety disorder" sooner or later. Although this sounds utterly ridiculous right now, don't discount the ability of the pharmaceutical industry to reshape the entire dialog about mental disorders and vaccines. They've already proven their ability to turn normal human experiences into psychiatric disorders requiring pharmaceutical intervention, and most conventional health professionals have bought into it. Pushing vaccines for psychiatric disorders is the next great untapped market for drug companies. All that's required is to first convince the public that viruses or chemicals are involved in brain disorders. Believe or it not, this line has already been crossed with the recently announced nicotine vaccine. Nicotine isn't a virus, obviously. So how can drug companies claim a vaccine works to stop the nicotine habit? It's easy: Instead of targeting a virus, the nicotine vaccine targets a molecule (the nicotine molecule). So now, drug makers can claim their vaccines can grant immunity to virtually any chemical or substance. And since psychiatric disorders are already blamed on "chemical imbalances in the brain," the groundwork has already been laid for the pushing of vaccines for such "chemical imbalances." In fact, to take this one step further, keep in mind that according to the psychiatric disease "bible" (the DSM-IV), the very act of defying conventional wisdom is, all by itself, a psychiatric disorder. It's called "Oppositional Defiant Disorder" or ODD. (I'm not making this up.) You can be diagnosed with ODD simply by arguing with your psychiatrist over the validity of whether the disorder itself actually exists . If you frequently disagree with authorities (like the FDA), you might also be labeled ODD. If the current health regime is allowed to continue in America, I can easily imagine a day when anyone who disagrees with vaccinations is immediately "diagnosed" with Oppositional Defiant Disorder and injected with a psychiatric vaccine designed to "cure" the "disorder." Effectively, it will be a chemical lobotomy. To fully understand where this can lead, I urge you to visit CCHR's museum called Psychiatry An Industry of Death (http://www.cchr.org/psychiatry_an_i...) where you'll tour the horrific history of so-called "psychiatric medicine." It's free. Just tell 'em you're a reader of NaturalNews and Mike Adams sent you. Reserve about 2 hours for the tour, and don't eat much beforehand because you just might lose your lunch. When you see what psychiatrists have done to human beings in the name of medicine, you'll be absolutely outraged. The street address of the museum is 6616 Sunset Blvd, Los Angeles, California 90028. Call 1-800-869-2247 to make a reservation for yourself or a group. Vaccines are the new holocaust. And just as drug companies were once involved in the Nazi-era experiments conducted on human beings, those same companies are now engaged in poisoning humans for profit. http://www.naturalnews.com/027311_va..._medicine.html http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/.a/6a...5b77970c-800wi

ruprick | 10-24-2009 09:45 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread My little boy is in Cub Scouts - so is the kid of our family doctor - we had a chance to talk for about 30 minutes on the H1N1 last night at a "Pack Meeting".....I really trust this guy - I've known him since we were in high school 25 years ago. This guy does it all - he delivered my kids.....his father delivered me 43 year ago.... He said that all the vaccine anxiety is a moot point in our area - he said you could not find a vaccine around here if you wanted to.....said H1N1 is hitting our town hard right now - assured me I'd get it in a few days/weeks as it is in the schools and my kids are a vector. Said to just get the flu - take care of yourself and get over it. Don't be stupid if you get really sick - he said this is the major cause of death....people let it get out of hand. As for the mercury based preservative....Thimersol - he said they removed it a few years back - studied the hell out of it - determined no evidence of links to problems and have returned it to the market. Thats what he is saying for what it is worth. I've put in about 5 hours of reading on my own and was still at about neutral on the vaccine.....I've never had even a seasonal vaccine - and would not get one this year either...I was just looking into if I would get the vaccine if I really wanted it. Based on doctors feedback - he says very little risk in the vaccine. If you are a high risk person due to per-existing problems - he said for sure try to get the vaccine....otherwise - take your chances and just get over the flu once you do get it.

Jimfrancisco | 10-24-2009 02:28 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Even one multi-dose bottle of a vaccine containing Thimersol contains less mercury than a single can of white-chunk tuna. Don't blame it on the mercury, people.

oldmansmith | 10-24-2009 03:05 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread I'm not injecting the tuna directly into my bloodstream.

PatColo | 10-24-2009 09:41 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # President Barack Obama has declared a national emergency - due to the swine flu outbreak. # CBS reveals that swine flu cases have been seriously overestimated, reports Dr Mercola # Rebecca Campbell files federal lawsuit over WHO flu scam in Seattle # German doctors refuse to be bullied by authorities into giving "swine flu" jab # FOURTH PERSON DIES IN SWEDEN FROM SWINE FLU JAB: NO END IN SIGHT # Health care workers in hospitals in Austria told: get the "swine flu" jab or be fired # Fired Swedish doctor suspects the WHO. # FOURTH VACCINE DEATH REPORTED IN SWEDEN # THIRD VACCINE DEATH REPORTED IN SWEDEN # Sceptical Swedish doctors forbidden to talk about the mass vaccinations. # All Scots may get "swine flu" jab according to government, reports the Scotsman # French inundate government with lawsuits over "act of poisoning" # Only 13% of Germans say they will get a "swine flu" jab: dramatic drop to new low # French government calculates 0.666 seconds to give each person the "swine flu" jab in vaccine centers # 0.000068% of the world's population has died from the "swine flu" so far, calculates Canadian # A BIG THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO HAS SUPPORTED THIS WEBSITE SO GENEROUSLY # WOMAN IN HUNGARY DIES AFTER SWINE FLU JAB, REPORTS BUDAPEST TIMES # New York drops mandatory swine flu shots for health workers after lawsuit filed # H1N1 vaccine a tough sell to pregnant women, reports LA Times # Canada approves Arepanrix "swine flu" jab with adjuvants # Unusually severe flu cases reported by CDC in US # Data on salaries to be used for French "swine flu" jab summons # Ten vaccine centers open in Quebec # Unknown locations of "swine flu" vaccine centers generates uneasiness in Austria # Berlin doctors worried they could have to pay compensation for "swine flu" jab damage # Norway pushes forward with "swine flu" vaccination programme in spite of deaths in Sweden # German companies might not have immunity for damage caused by "swine flu" jabs # TWO PEOPLE DROP DEAD IN SWEDEN AFTER SWINE FLU SHOT: TIP OF THE ICEBERG # Renowned Costa Rican doctors send letter to medical and surgical association in Costa Rica # First deaths in Sweden from "swine flu" vaccine. # Defeating tyranny is not just a duty: it is an adventure # Check out this video on the "swine flu" scam from New Zealand PhD student John Weare # Radio Canada reports on growing worldwide resistance to swine flu jab # German government determined to crush protests over "swine flu" jab safety # Reuters says US people storming vaccine clinics to get jab in Goebbels propaganda piece # New polls shows 62% of Americans won't take "swine flu" jab over safety concerns # Chicago authorities offer free "swine flu" jabs to kids # Canada's health workers have "distressinlgy low acceptance" of flu shots read them at TheFluCase.com

Brio | 10-25-2009 06:02 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Canadians get the adjuvant version, it's right there on the gov website. http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/prodp...vaccin-eng.php 2. How is Arepanrix� <ACRONYM>H1N1</ACRONYM> administered? The vaccine is to be administered by health professionals. Arepanrix� <ACRONYM>H1N1</ACRONYM> is a two-component vaccine consisting of an antigen and an adjuvant. The antigen is the active ingredient in the vaccine that provides protection against the virus. The adjuvant is a substance that is added to the vaccine to boost the immune response. Prior to administration, the adjuvant is added to the antigen vial. After combining the two components, the vaccine is given by injection into the shoulder muscle.

JJ_ | 10-25-2009 09:36 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Thomas (Post 1983094) 3) This threat is never ending, it won't end come springtime, see point 2 It was your typical AP/Reuters newsfeed stuff that is syndicated for the 15 minute between show announcements. FWIW.
Sounds familiar... Kinda like the War on terruh.

Drumblebum | 10-25-2009 02:24 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Ths may have alredy been posted... I sent a link for this to everyone I care about. You Tube
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Canadian-guerilla | 10-26-2009 01:50 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Shortness of breath a telltale symptom of dangerous swine-flu infection. October 26, 2009 As the nation embarks on an unprecedented mass immunization campaign, Canadian doctors consulted by the World Health Organization say shortness of breath is emerging as a hallmark sign of potentially critical H1N1 infection. Experts have been struggling to understand why what is an uncomplicated illness for most people can be severe or fatal in others, and whether there is any way of predicting who is at risk of becoming critically sick with human swine flu. Now they believe they have a sign. ``Influenza does a lot of things to a lot of people, but the one thing it should never do to anybody, pretty much, is make you short of breath,'' said Dr. Anand Kumar, with the Winnipeg Regional Health Authority, who specializes in the care of critically ill patients. ``That's a danger signal for everybody,'' Kumar said told Canwest News Service. ``If you are short of breath, that means you need urgent assessment by a physician or by the emergency room. ``That would allow therapy early enough to hopefully prevent it from becoming a severe case.'' Kumar was among a contingent of Canadian doctors that participated in an expert advisory meeting convened by WHO this month to develop updated guidance documents on the clinical picture and management of H1N1 disease. Those guidelines are expected to be released this week. Data presented at the meeting suggest that one-half to three-quarters of those who get severe H1N1 are relatively healthy. ``Because the general recommendations are that people with mild disease don't have to be treated, the question then becomes, if you're relatively healthy, when do you seek medical care?'' Kumar said. ``If you shouldn't treat everybody, when do you start taking anti-virals?'' ``I think the (WHO) statement will basically say - and I think we all feel - that if you're not improving by the third day, if you haven't plateaued or you're getting worse by day three or four, it's time to go in and see a doctor, and they should consider the possibility of anti-viral therapy.'' Symptoms of H1N1 are the same for regular seasonal flu and include fever, cough, sore throat, runny or stuffy nose, body aches, headache, chills and fatigue. ``But those are the obvious ones,'' Kumar said. ``The one that we were most concerned people would overlook is shortness of breath.'' In severe cases, people have deteriorated rapidly and gone into respiratory failure with 24 hours. The first batches of the long-awaited H1N1 vaccine will be released across Canada this week in what will ultimately become the largest immunization campaign in the nation's history. The shots are being rolled out in stages and will concentrate first on those considered at highest risk, including health- care workers, pregnant women, people under 65 with chronic diseases, children ages six months to five years, and individuals, including First Nations people, living in remote or isolated communities. The shots will initially be concentrated in mass immunization clinics. Most provinces plan to release some of the vaccine through doctor's offices as stockpiles build. more . . . http://www.canada.com/news/world/Sho...7/story.html?#

PatColo | 10-26-2009 02:25 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # Children in USA vaccinated with "swine flu" vaccine against parents will # One in five kids had swine flu? No, not really, CDC now says # More than half of Chinese don't want swine flu shot: poll # �1.5bn swine flu vaccine boost for GSK and Astra # Rhode Island tracks flu through electronic prescription records # Obama's daughters are not to get "swine flu" jabs because of risk # German "swine flu" jab campaign to start with government officials today # The Tennessee Influenza Response Plan: selected quotes presented by Joey Fuller # Americans get on the phones to corporate media demanding answers over emergency "swine flu" declaration # Organisers of French legal initiative post text onlne for others to download and file # Mainstream newspaper "Le Monde" reports on French legal initiative against the "swine flu" jab # The Anti Zensur Konferenz in Switzerland and Scientology # Austrian news magazine writes hit piece about my charges against Baxter # Problems with authorisation of Novartis "swine flu" jab Celtura in Switzerland # How the national swine flu emergency could impact Tennessee: Joey Fuller reports # Text of Obama's declaration of emergency over the "swine flu" # Bild journalist reports tiredness and pain after "swine flu" jab test # Has Obama just blown it with the "swine flu" emergency declaration? # CDC GUESSTIMATED H1N1 CASES and REFUSED CBS FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUEST # "Swine flu" emergency declaration: is martial law unfolding? # Forced vaccinations and quaratines possible under emergency powers of Obama, reports Mike Adams read them at TheFluCase.com

DMac00 | 10-29-2009 02:59 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread NYS Governor Paterson Declares State of Emergency over H1N1 Quote:
From the BNO Newsroom. NEW YORK (BNO NEWS) -- New York Governor David Paterson signed an executive order on Wednesday, declaring a state of emergency to further combat the spread of swine flu, health officials said on Thursday. "H1N1 flu is widespread and as a result we've had at least 75 known deaths," said Claire Pospisil, a spokeswoman for the New York State Department of Health. Pospisil said the executive order, besides declaring a state of emergency, also enables the state to increase the number of people who are allowed to administer vaccines, such as dentists. Asked if people should be more worried because of the state of emergency for swine flu, Pospisil said: "no, I don't think so. It helps us to be more prepared." At least 75 people in New York state have died from the virus, which the World Health Organization (WHO) declared a pandemic. In the last week, three more adult deaths were associated with the H1N1 flu in the state (excluding New York City). Of the fatalities, two were between the age of 50 and 64. The third person was 65 years or over. Pospisil said the virus continues to spread.

DMac00 | 10-29-2009 04:41 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread NORTHCOM + FEMA = Martial Law
NORTHCOM + FEMA = Martial Law

Malus | 10-29-2009 10:44 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Gary Null has his say.... at NYS State Assembly. You Tube
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PatColo | 10-30-2009 12:23 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # Five deaths in Sweden after swine flu jab tip of the iceberg # Child in Ohio given swine flu vaccine in spite of mother refusing consent # Unconfirmed report of young girl dying after swine flu jab in the UK # Police in France stop cars, search for weapons as opposition to swine flu jab and government grows # Obama Administration Launches Deceptive Swine Flu Propaganda Blitz, reports Richard Gale and Gary Null # 12 Babies died in GlaxoSmithKline clinical trial in 2008 # Two bad reactions from swine flu jab in Winnipeg # Switzerland to delay start of the "swine flu" vaccination campaign until December # Swiss media criticises swine flu pamdemic alarmism # Des m�mos de l'OMS de 1972 et de 1973 # Unconfirmed reports say mobile pandemic teams operating in French schools # Swine flu: first doses sent to GPs in the UK # Belgian doctors call for sack of government virologist in row over swine flu adjuvant advice # Canadians wary of swine flu jab # Russians to start swine flu jab campaign one month earlier # Obama ramps up swine flu emergency measures, report Len Horowitz and Sherri Kane # Austrian nurses to use Nuremberg Code to stop forced "swine flu" vaccination # Austrian media declares run on "swine flu" jab after handfuls of people turn up # Extremely low turnout for "swine flu" jab reported in Germany # Bavaria, Germany, and Ukraine report mysterious new virulent swine flu strain # CDC urges people to take seasonal flu shot and swine flu jab on same day: potential harm downplayed # Irish "swine flu" vaccination campaign "absloute shambles, a mess - falling apart" # Gardasil Researcher Drops A Bombshell # News of legal action spreads on French alternative media (French) # Only swine flu jab trials on children not to be completed for a year # National emergency declaration in USA allows use of squalene # Only swine flu vaccine trial on pregnant women not set to finish until July 2010 and have no adjuvants # Confusion over authorisation for Swiss swine flu jabs # Fewer than 10 people turn up for swine flu jab on first day in Salzburg, Austria # Swedish authorities facing more resistance against poisonous "swine flu" vaccine # CDC States H1N1 Vaccine May Maim and Kill 30,000 Americans, FDA Requires Minimal Efficacy # "Swine flu" peaks out before vaccines even make it into widespread distribution # Irish boy rushed to hospital after "swine flu" jab # What's Behind the False Flag Flu Emergency? # Obama Daughters Get "Swine Flu" Shots says White House # Only 3% of the people in Cracow, Poland, intend to get the swine flu jab # Only 7% of the people in Luxembourg intend to get the swine flu jab # Ron Paul Questions Why Obama Daughters Haven’t Taken Swine Flu Vaccine # Only 17% in France now wants the "swine flu" vaccine - down from 55% # ALERT Canadians: Toxic Ingredients in the Arepanrix H1N1 Vaccine Harm Your Health # Swiss controversy regarding the need to vaccinate against "swine flu" # The shocking truth about why Obama announced a National Public Health Emergency in the US this weekend # FIFTH "SWINE FLU" VACCINE DEATH IN SWEDEN - VACCINATIONS STILL GO AHEAD AS PLANNED! # "Popular websites may have to be blocked" in the case of a pandemic according to HLS # ‘Poisoning attempt’ charges filed against French "swine flu" mass vaccination campaign # Obama’s “National Emergency” Violates the Constitution # Swine Flu Scam Reaches New Heights With Obama’s Emergency Declaration # The Threat of Mandatory Vaccinations # Canadians wary of swine flu vaccine read at TheFluCase.com

DMac00 | 10-30-2009 03:41 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread A dept of Homeland Security document from 2007: Pandemic Influenza Best Practices and Model Protocols PDF LINK Sample of Info contained therein: Quote:
.."■ The population may be directed to remain in their homes under self-quarantine for up to 90 days per wave of the outbreak to support social distancing practices. Planning Considerations The planning assumptions above raise the following questions which need to be addressed during the planning process: ■ How will citizens get food, supplies, fuel, and access to healthcare services? o Will the supply chain be able to maintain the stock of essential consumables and supplies? o Will control measures be implemented to prevent price-gouging? ■ Will family financial concerns influence the ability or willingness of families to self-quarantine? o Will control measures be implemented to cover those that are income dependent for purchasing essential items on a weekly basis? ■ Will financial institutions forego strict adherence to financial policies and contractual requirements during a pandemic? o Will foreclosures or repossessions occur during the outbreak? ■Will vigilantes develop in neighborhoods or communities? oWill society experience a breakdown? ■Will a black market develop? oWill the theft of resources surface in an illegal distribution market? ■Will counterfeit prophylaxis and/or PPE surface? oWill healthcare facilities and citizens become victims? ■How will local government react to these potential problems?"...

Canadian-guerilla | 10-30-2009 10:49 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread The vaccine will be mandatory . . . . National Guard to be included in DoD vaccination effort Oct 30, 2009 (DEFENSE DEPARTMENT DOCUMENTS AND PUBLICATIONS/ContentWorks via COMTEX) -- ARLINGTON, Va. (Oct. 29, 2009) -- The Defense Department has acquired enough doses of the H1N1 flu vaccine to immunize all 460,000 members of the National Guard, officials announced today. The supply will go out to the Guard through the Army Medical Materiel Agency, said Lt. Col. Dawn Barrowman, chief of occupational health for the Army National Guard. All states have ordered the H1N1 injectable vaccine through the agency, which is the same way that states order the seasonal flu vaccine. Army Guard officials in two states, Arkansas and Indiana, plan to use the Department of Health and Human Services allotment procured by their state, said Col. Rob Brown, the Army Guard's chief surgeon. For Air Guard personnel, the H1N1 injectable vaccine has been ordered through the active duty host base, using the same method and guidance as for the seasonal flu vaccine, said Air Force Capt. Tonya Moser, chief of medical logistics for the Air National Guard. Shipments of the Defense Department vaccine are scheduled for the second week of November, but "exact dates will differ from state to state," Brown said. The Defense Department has acquired 2.7 million doses of the H1N1 vaccine, which may be allocated to active-duty members, reservists, Guard members, Defense Department civilians and essential contractors, according to a department memorandum. Despite its availability this way, Guard members are encouraged to get the vaccine through the "most expedient route," Barrowman said. This includes registered H1N1 providers or a HHS source. Army Guard members who receive a H1N1 vaccine from another source are strongly encouraged to provide the documentation to their unit's medical readiness noncommissioned officer, Barrowman said, so the Army Guard can track the number of Soldiers who have received the vaccine. The vaccine will be mandatory for uniformed personnel and highly encouraged for all others, according to a Defense Department memo. Priority would be given to deployed and deploying forces, new accession sites, including the service academies, and health care personnel. Brown said the vaccine was produced by the same companies that made the seasonal flu vaccine, and it went through strict quality assurance inspections by the Food and Drug Administration before it was approved for release to the public. He emphasized the H1N1 vaccine is the best and most effective way for people to protect themselves. Brown also encourages Guard members to take everyday actions to stay healthy, including: -- Covering their nose and mouth with a tissue when they cough or sneeze; -- Washing their hands often with soap and water, especially after coughing or sneezing; -- Avoid touching their eyes, nose or mouth, because germs spread that way, and; -- Staying home if they get sick. http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2009/10/30/4455929.htm

PatColo | 11-03-2009 04:06 AM
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Miss Kitty | 11-04-2009 08:43 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread The victims of H1N1: Profiles of 12 Canadians Laura Stone and Allison Cross, Canwest News Service Published: Sunday, November 01, 2009 http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2170058 Evan Frustaglio of Toronto, who died of H1N1 flu virus on Oct. 26, 2009. OTTAWA - They lived in Canada's small towns and big cities, from coast to coast. They were children, parents, friends and neighbours. Some had health problems before the virus struck them down, but many were young and vital. Scientists are still trying to determine why H1N1 affects some people and not others, and why it hits some more severely. But for those who knew and loved those who have died with H1N1, the loss has been heartbreaking. So far, according to the Public Health Agency of Canada, the virus known as "swine flu" has killed 95 Canadians. Their names are not released by government for privacy reasons, but the identities of some have emerged over the months. Here are the stories of a dozen Canadians who have died from H1N1. Ashley Miller, 26, from Mission, B.C., died Oct. 11 after coming down with H1N1 and spending two days in hospital in Abbotsford. The mother of a one-year-old daughter named Emma, Miller was otherwise healthy before getting sick. She was the eighth person to die of H1N1 in B.C., but the first person in the province to die who had no underlying health issues. Vanessa Bluebell, a 25-year-old mother of four with no previous medical issues, was the first Calgary-area casualty of H1N1. She grew up at the Yellow Quill First Nation in Saskatchewan, where she likely contracted the virus at a funeral for her cousin. Bluebell was hospitalized June 27, but sent home, only to return two days later when her symptoms worsened. She fell into a coma and died on July 9. Tina L'Hirondelle was the first confirmed death from H1N1 in Canada. The 39-year-old had a history of asthma and diabetes and died in hospital in High Prairie, Alta., on April 28, after saying she was having difficulty breathing. She lived in the Metis settlement of Gift Lake and may have contracted the virus from her mother, who had a mild case of H1N1. Hannah Arsenault Dicks, known as "Hannah-Banana," a six-year-old from La Ronge, Sask., died in July after contracting H1N1 while in hospital for a bone condition. Dicks had many health problems, had been tube-fed since birth and was unable to walk or talk. Dicks' father, Paul, has started a sanitizing campaign at the hotel where he works as a general manager to help prevent the spread of H1N1. Perry Chernesky, a Baptist minister at the Oakbank Baptist Church in Winnipeg, died on July 5. The healthy, friendly 43-year-old was put in isolation at a Winnipeg hospital. His kidneys failed and he eventually died of a heart attack. Originally from Edmonton, Chernesky left behind a wife and two daughters. Lorraine Wilson, 45, died of complications from the H1N1 virus in June. She lived in Northern Manitoba in the Opaskwayak Cree Nation and worked at a school library. Initially, she was sent home by doctors who said she had a cold. She was eventually diagnosed with pneumonia as well as H1N1. Wilson had a daughter and was raising two of her nieces when she died. Karin Shiozaki died in Kingston General Hospital on Oct. 19 after complaining of shortness of breath, coughing and discomfort. The 52-year-old woman from Newboro, Ont., had a history of asthma and was overweight. She worked as a respiratory technologist and left behind her husband of 33 years, Ian Kent Shiozaki, and two grown children, Alix and Jesse. Vanetia Warner, 10, died a few days after showing symptoms, at the Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario on Oct. 24. Vanetia, a Grade 5 student at St. Anne's Catholic School in Cornwall, was a healthy child whose death sparked a wave of concern among parents. She was a figure-skater who loved the music of Miley Cyrus. Rubjit Thindal, 6, from Brampton, Ont., died from the virus on June 15. Her symptoms included joint pain, fever, and later, a persistent stomach ache. On the way to the hospital, the Grade 1 student at Roberta Bondar School went limp. Her father tried to revive her with CPR; she died two hours later. Evan Frustaglio, 13, was a minor hockey player with the Mississauga North Stars who attended Hill Academy, in Vaughan, Ont. On Oct. 24, during a hockey tournament in London, Ont., he developed a sore throat and fever. Two days later, he collapsed on his bathroom floor and was pronounced dead at St. Joseph's Health Centre on Oct. 26. Friends remember Evan as a great friend and talented hockey player. Fatiha Idrissi Kaitouni, 23, died on Aug. 14, two months after giving birth to her son, Yassine, in June. Kaitouni, a day care worker, was hospitalized at Montreal's Sacre Coeur Hospital with high fever during the last months of her pregnancy. After developing severe respiratory problems, Kaitouni was given a C-section, and then put under a medically induced coma until her death from H1N1. Annette Sampson, 51, of L'Ardoise in Cape Breton in Nova Scotia was the first H1N1 victim from Atlantic Canada. Described as a kind, considerate and loving woman, Sampson fell ill on July 1 and slowly worsened until her death in a Halifax hospital on July 24. Sampson, who her family says was relatively healthy, was a nursing home worker and mother to 15-year-old Kelsey.[/img] _________________

Canadian-guerilla | 11-04-2009 11:33 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Spread of A/H1N1 flu speeding up in Finland 2009-11-04 HELSINKI, Nov. 4 (Xinhua) -- The number of confirmed cases of A/H1N1 flu in Finland has increased to 1,100, indicating an accelerating spread of the virus across the country, local media reported Wednesday. New infections were mainly detected in northern Finland but the epidemic has apparently been moving south, infecting increasing number of people, especially in schools. At least two schools in Helsinki have seen students diagnosed with the virus. In Tampere, the country's third biggest city, a school announced that about one third of its 428 students may have been infected with the disease. The Finnish National Institute for Health and Welfare said the peak of the epidemic will arrive at different times in different parts of the country. In the south, the real onset of the disease will be in about four to five weeks. Vaccinations for health care personnel and pregnant women are underway, and the inoculation for chronic patients between 6 months and 64 years old has started in some places. More than 600,000 doses of the vaccine have been distributed in Finland and additional shipments are coming in from Belgium weekly. However, the supplies cover only about 10 percent of demand. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20..._12387652.htm?

Canadian-guerilla | 11-04-2009 11:39 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Older Patients Most Likely to Die From H1N1 Influenza Nov. 4, 2009 California Study Shows Those 50 and Older Most Likely to Die if Hospitalized http://abcnews.go.com/Health/SwineFl...ory?id=8993901 Study: H1N1 Poses 'Special Threat' to Obese People Wednesday, November 04, 2009 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571566,00.html?

PatColo | 11-04-2009 12:16 PM
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thorgrim | 11-04-2009 03:48 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi125.html Did 1918 Spanish Flu Deaths Result From Aspirin-Induced Scurvy (Vitamin C Deficiency)? by Bill Sardi Recently by Bill Sardi: The American Flu Charade The Daytona Beach News Journal cites the death of a 15-year-old New Smyrna Beach high school student, a confirmed swine-flu victim. The report says: "This student struggled with medical conditions his entire life. He was at higher risk for medical complications." [Daytona Beach News Journal, October 8, 2009] A Texas 8th-grader was diagnosed with the flu on Wednesday at the doctor�s office and denied the anti-viral drug Tamiflu because she wasn�t "high risk." Her mother was advised to continue monitoring her daughter whose condition worsened with "crackling sounds in her lungs." She was finally hospitalized on Saturday. This otherwise healthy child succumbed to the flu by Sunday morning. [WFAA-TV 11 news Sept 30, 2009] The CDC also just released a report showing a striking mortality rate among pregnant women. Among 100 pregnant women hospitalized due to influenza infection, 28 died. This is an unprecedented 28% mortality rate! [Washington Post October 2, 2009] There is no way to confirm this alarming report since it is not cited in a published report that can be examined. A CDC transcript only says "28 pregnant women have died." (Scare tactic by the CDC?) A published report does show 6 of 45 pregnant women infected with the pandemic H1N1 virus infection died during the period from April 15 to June 16, 2009. [Lancet 374; 451�57, 2009] However, no data is provided that vaccination prevented the women who survived from a fatal consequence. These reports are being released in the news media�s effort to launch the nation�s flu vaccination program, in hopes that more Americans will elect to undergo vaccination and flu-related deaths may be prevented. While vaccination for the flu may avert flu symptoms or viral infection altogether, will vaccination actually prevent flu-related deaths? Maybe not. What Americans are hearing from the Centers for Disease Control via the news media is that "Two-thirds of the U.S. children who have died of H1N1 complications had high-risk medical conditions, but another third were healthy before getting flu. Most of the latter group probably died from co-illnesses: H1N1 and a bacterial infection working together, health officials said." [Knox Tennessee News Nov. 8, 2009] Would the flu vaccine in fact prevent deaths in immune-compromised subjects? That can only be assumed. In fact, it is inappropriate to administer the nasally-instilled "live" flu vaccine to subjects with weakened immunity. <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=135 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Missing factor There seems to be something missing in explanations why otherwise healthy and younger adults die from the flu. Does a dark angel just come visit these kids that die and take them? Fearing a repeat of the 1918 Spanish flu, which resulted in millions of deaths worldwide, what could be done to avert a similar deadly pandemic now? Dr. Karen M. Starko MD provides us with some important clues. She hypothesizes the high mortality rates due to the 1918 Spanish flu resulted from the over-use of aspirin. The evidence Dr. Starko provides is compelling. Physicians of the day were unaware that the recommended medication regimens (8.0�31.2 grams per day, or 8000 to 31,200 milligrams) during that time period produce aspirin levels associated with hyperventilation (33%) and fluid accumulation in the lungs (pulmonary edema 3%) of subjects. Accumulation of fluid in the lungs was recently found in 46% of 26 aspirin-intoxicated adults. In lab experiments, aspirin increases lung fluid and impairs clearance of mucus. In 1918 aspirin was recommend by the US Surgeon General, the US Navy, and the Journal of the American Medical Association just prior to the October death spike. Bayer first introduced water-soluble aspirin tablets in 1900. Farbenfabriken Bayer�s worldwide distribution of aspirin had been accomplished in the same year as the flu pandemic. Aspirin sales more than doubled from 1918 to 1920. The US Army camp with the highest mortality rate had ordered 100,000 aspirin tablets. Young children were not given aspirin as widely as young adults, which may explain why the young had a lower mortality rate in the 1918 flu. [Clinical Infectious Diseases 2009; 49: online Sept. 29] The descriptions of flu-related, aspirin-induced lung disease by Dr. Starko are gripping. She cites records of doctors describing aspirin lung as looking like "the lungs of the drowned." There were small hemorrhages in the lungs which appeared "dark and red and wet, dripping wet." Dr. Starko cites doctors who described "frothy, blood-tinged fluid" in the lungs of patients who had died during the 1918 flu outbreak. There were also frank lung hemorrhages. <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=135 align=left border=0><TBODY><TR><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Dr. Starko goes on to describe aspirin-induced symptoms to include brain swelling, pinpoint red dots on the skin called petechiae, blue coloration of the skin and mucus membranes (cyanosis), along with vomiting and nose bleeds. These are not symptoms characteristic of the flu. Another common finding among records of mortal flu cases in 1918 was brain swelling, called cerebral edema. Cerebral edema also occurs with the use of aspirin and in Reye�s syndrome. [Acta Neurologica Scandinavia Supplement 2007; 186:45�56] This is exactly how a patient with severe vitamin C deficiency (scurvy) dies. In scurvy capillaries are weak and red blood cells leak into surrounding tissues, like the brain, lungs and eyes, which was observed among the 1918 flu victims. Yes, aspirin depletes the body of vitamin C. Aspirin is known as one of the most powerful drugs at depleting vitamin C in normally healthy individuals. [Journal Clinical Pharmacology 1973; 13: 480] Modern medicine appears to have overlooked this well-documented fact. The volume of literature that confirms aspirin depletes vitamin C is extensive. A study of rheumatoid arthritis patients is instructive. Rheumatoid patients often exhibit low vitamin C blood levels. In one early study the only rheumatoid patients with normal vitamin C levels were those taking vitamin supplements. In this study, significantly low blood platelet levels were found only in those rheumatoid patients receiving high-dose aspirin � 12 or more tablets per day. Poor blood clotting and low blood platelet levels, characteristic of scurvy, were also prevalent in this group. [Lancet 1971 May 8; 1(7706):937�8] A major drawback of aspirin therapy is that it may induce bleeding gastric ulcers. When buffered (alkalinized) aspirin plus vitamin C is employed, there is a measurable reduction in microscopic bleeding in the gastric tract, better than buffering alone. [Alimentary Pharmacology Therapy 2004 Feb 1; 19(3):367�74] As aspirin-induced gastric bleeding may induce anemia or even death, it is odd modern medicine does not mandate incorporation of vitamin C into aspirin tablets. Another way aspirin depletes vitamin C from the body is via excretion in the kidneys. Vitamin C is a water-soluble nutrient that is readily excreted in the urine and which requires repeated oral intake throughout the day to maintain adequate levels. Aspirin increases the excretion of vitamin C via the kidneys. [Proceedings Society Experimental Biology Medicine 1936; 35: 20] <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=135 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Vitamin C and white blood cells Relying upon blood plasma levels of vitamin C among aspirin users to determine vitamin adequacy can be misleading. In healthy individuals, blood plasma levels of vitamin C do rise when taking aspirin and supplemental vitamin C. Everything appears normal. However, aspirin blocks the entry of vitamin C into white-blood cells, which goes unmeasured. Vitamin C adequacy in the blood plasma serves to distract a physician from the dire state of vitamin C depletion in the white blood cells. A shortage of vitamin C in white blood cells reduces their activity against viral attack. [Annals New York Academy Science 1975 Sept 30; 258: 355�76] In a decades-old study, the concentration of vitamin C in white blood cells was measured in patients with gastrointestinal hemorrhage. The white-blood-cell vitamin C concentration was 14.2 micrograms per 108 cells versus 23.7 micrograms in healthy individuals. Vitamin C concentration in white blood cells was found to be lowest among aspirin users in this study. [Lancet 1968; 292 (7568); 603�606] In an experiment conducted among healthy adults, the acidity of acetylsalicylic acid (aspirin) apparently aided the absorption of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) so that the combined administration of 600 mg of aspirin with 500 mg of vitamin C produced a greater increase in blood plasma vitamin C levels than with vitamin C alone, but the aspirin completely arrested uptake of vitamin C into white blood cells! [Annals New York Academy Science 1975 Sept 30; 258: 355�76] The flu and vitamin C deficiency One explanation why the elderly are typically more prone to die of the flu may be that the concentration of vitamin C in blood plasma and white-blood cells progressively diminish during life, reaching minimal levels at the age of 60. [Journal Vitamin Nutrition Research 1971; 41:258] Furthermore, senior adults are more likely to be plagued with the aches and pains of old age and reach for an aspirin tablet more often than younger adults. Additionally, older adults take more drugs, many which deplete vitamin C, such as tetracycline antibiotics, iron, estrogen replacement and steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs. Cigarettes and alcohol are also vitamin C destroyers. [British Medical Journal 1975; 1 (5951) 208] Concern over high mortality rates among pregnant women may be explained by a shortage of vitamin C. Vitamin C levels decrease during ovulation and during pregnancy. [Annals New York Academy Science 1975 Sept 30; 258: 355�76] In a more recent experiment, mice were genetically altered so they did not synthesize vitamin C in their liver as most other animals do (guinea pigs, primates, and humans are an exception as they don�t naturally produce vitamin C within the liver and must completely rely upon the diet for vitamin C). These vitamin C-deficient mice were inoculated with influenza virus and experienced massive damage to their lungs compared to vitamin C-adequate mice. Researchers concluded that supplemental "vitamin C is required for an adequate immune response and in limiting lung pathology after influenza virus infection." [Journal Nutrition. 2006 Oct; 136(10):2611�6] Aspirin, influenza, Reye�s syndrome link to vitamin C deficiency Another flu/aspirin-related condition is Reye�s syndrome. Aspirin use by children during viral infections is not advised because this can result in a potentially fatal outcome. Health authorities warn that aspirin is NOT to be used during episodes of fever-causing illness. Reye�s syndrome was first described by Dr. R. Douglas Reye of Australia in 1963. [Lancet 1963; 2: 749�52] It is said the origin of Reye�s syndrome is still unknown. Reye�s syndrome is often misdiagnosed and it can occur without the use of aspirin. [Archives Pediatrics 2002 Jun; 9(6):581�6] In light of what has been learned here, this suggests an underlying vitamin C deficiency may be involved in unexplained cases of Reye�s syndrome. While Dr. Reye�s receives credit for his description of this aspirin-related syndrome in more recent times, descriptions of similar syndromes date back to 1929 in the medical literature. Sadly, modern medicine has missed the vitamin C connection to this syndrome for decades. Reye�s syndrome was killing a lot of children, with mortality rates ranging from 17.8% to 89.6% depending upon severity, up until the early 1980s when health advisories warned of this aspirin-related problem. An analysis of 1134 Reye�s syndrome cases revealed an alarming 31.3% overall mortality rate. Beginning in 1986 the labels on aspirin bottles warned of this problem and the number of Reye�s cases dropped considerably. [New England Journal Medicine 1999 May 6; 340(18):1377�82] <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=135 align=left border=0><TBODY><TR><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Bird flu mortality and Reye�s syndrome The deadly H5N1 avian flu virus is reported to have a 60% mortality rate (6 in 10 infected die), but fortunately has poor human-to-human transmission. It is interesting to note that the very first confirmed death from H5N1 involved a 3-year-old boy with good past health who developed pneumonia with accompanying complications of Reye�s syndrome. [Journal Paediatric Child Health. 1999 April; 35(2):207�9] Inquiry of the child�s use of aspirin or supplemental vitamin C was not recorded, nor was blood sample drawn to obtain a vitamin C level. Another study involving the first confirmed H5N1 influenza diagnoses was comprised of 7 patients over the age of 13 with 4 deaths, and 5 patients under the age of 5, one who died with Reye�s syndrome associated with intake of aspirin. [Lancet. 1998 Feb 14; 351(9101):467�71] An intriguing case of mortal H5N1 flu infection was reported in 1998 involving a 3-year-old child in Hong Kong. The H5N1 virus was isolated from tracheal aspiration samples. The young patient had no direct contact with affected chickens. Since the H5N1 flu virus has poor human-to-human transmission, doctors were puzzled by this case. [Lancet. 1998 Feb 14; 351(9101):472�7] This report would be better explained by examination of aspirin or anti-inflammatory drug use and leukocyte (white-blood cell) vitamin C concentration. Conclusions If overuse of aspirin during the 1918 Spanish flu was the primary cause of flu-related death as Dr. Karen Starko contends, then modern medicine has missed a large lesson on how to prevent flu-related death � that it was aspirin-induced scurvy that heightened mortality during this worldwide flu pandemic, maybe not the flu itself. If this hypothesis is true, then preventable mortality continues today. Many hundreds of thousands have needlessly succumbed to a vitamin C deficiency induced by self-treatment with aspirin and/or modern medicine�s continued failing to practice nutritional medicine. It is not like vitamin pills could have averted the vitamin C-related deaths then. Vitamin C had not been discovered till ~1928 by Hungarian researcher Albert Szent-Gy�rgyi and was not commercially available till a few years later. Vitamin C-rich foods like citrus fruits would have had to be relied upon then. But 8 decades later, physicians aren�t routinely screening their flu patients for aspirin use and aren�t advising their patients to take supplemental vitamin C. The facts are clear � a pharmaceutical company widely promoted aspirin pills � a pill that depletes vitamin C from the human body, a pill that prevents blood clots, helps to reduce the risk for heart attacks and gastric cancer, and is a trusted pain reliever, but its biggest drawback is that it depletes vitamin C. This drawback could have deadly consequences. The prevalence of vitamin C-deficiency related to aspirin use is unmonitored. Over 50,000 tons of aspirin is produced annually, which is equivalent to 50 billion aspirin tablets. About 1 trillion aspirin tablets have been swallowed since its first availability in the early 1900s. Aspirin kills thousands of people annually, mostly from gastric-tract hemorrhages. [Annals Internal Medicine 1997; 127: 429�38] More deaths may be attributed to aspirin use than previously recognized. The footprints of this vitamin C deficiency syndrome are all over the diagnostic flu map, yet they have been missed for decades. According to listings at the National Library of Medicine (PubMed), there are over 2000 published reports concerning Reye�s syndrome, but no published studies involving Reye�s syndrome and vitamin C deficiency. There are only six published studies involving flu mortality and vitamin C. With a research budget in the billions of dollars, the National Institutes of Health is remiss in not delving into the connection between vitamin C deficiency, aspirin use, flu-related death and Reye�s syndrome. Researcher John T. Ely, emeritus professor at the University of Washington, says white blood cells multiply more rapidly and ingest and eradicate viruses more effectively when vitamin C concentrations are high. Dr. Ely emphasizes the human immune system "must have ascorbic acid (vitamin C) to prevent and/or cure influenza." [Experimental Biology Medicine (Maywood) 2007 July; 232(7):847�51] In regard to my series of articles critical of flu vaccination posted at LewRockwell.com, an online blogger writes: "Bill Sardi doesn't know what it is like to have a family member die of the flu." That is precisely my point here. The public assumes the vaccines prevent death. Vaccines may reduce symptoms and prevent infection, if the vaccinee is able to generate sufficient antibodies, and if the vaccine contains a strain of the virus currently in circulation (not so in this year's seasonal flu vaccine), and if the dosage is correct (many need two inoculations to develop immunity), and if there is no treatment resistance, and if, and only if, nutritional status is adequate to avert a fatal outcome. There is only contrived evidence vaccines prevent death. There is incontrovertible evidence that a shortage of vitamin C, emanating from poor diet, smoking, overuse of alcohol, aspirin, or vitamin-depleting drugs (the very drugs they treat flu patients with � steroids, antibiotics, etc.), is likely the primary cause of flu-related mortality. What this report alleges is that modern medicine casts a blind eye at nutritional medicine because they need deaths, published in the news media, to frighten the public into vaccination. This morning I read news reports saying another 16 American children died of the H1N1 pandemic flu. Fear is the pandemic. Health agencies and the news media are doing their best to spread it. The facts are stark � regardless of the evidence provided, the Centers for Disease Control and the World Health Organization aren't going to rush to recommend vitamin C pills. These so-called health agencies are obliged to produce profits for the vaccine makers, who in turn pay off politicians in the nation's capitol, in what becomes circular profiteering by politician and drug manufacturer. Fear clouds the mind. People ask, "if not vaccines, what are we to do, take a useless vitamin C pill? Are we going to let our children die?" Their minds have been inoculated with the thought that vitamin C is a weak player next to a killer pandemic virus. In fact, as revealed in this article, the lack of vitamin C may be attributed to most of the flu deaths over the past century. How much clearer can I make my plea? The first vaccine made available is the nasally-instilled live-virus vaccine which induces viral shedding for 5 days following inoculation and spreads the disease to family members, teachers, grandmothers, everybody. The vaccine industry knows how to jump start a flu season � begin with the live-virus vaccine. Don't fall victim to this evil vaccination scheme. The deaths will continue till health authorities address nutritional status. A 100% vaccination rate would not quell mortality rates. To minimize the risk of flu-related death, the public is going to have to take matters into their own hands and proceed with unguided use of supplemental vitamin C. Asking doctors about vitamin C to treat the flu will produce a predictable answer � "that idea is unproven." It is just that doctors are ignorant on this point, not that there is no credible evidence. As a final note, it needs to be said that vitamin C should be incorporated into aspirin pills, to avert or minimize serious side effects such as gastric or brain hemorrhage, or at least aspirin pills should be labeled to inform consumers of the hazards posed by its depletion of vitamin C. Modern medicine�s narrow approach, to treat every disease as if it were a drug deficiency, has resulted in a steep price for humanity. It is obvious millions have died prematurely since vitamin C was first discovered over 80 years ago. Brave and resolute men and women, Albert Szent-Gy�rgyi, Irwin Stone, Linus Pauling, Ewan Cameron, Emil Ginter, Matthias Rath, Andrew Saul, Tom Levy, Steve Hickey, Raxit Jariwalla, John T. Ely, Hilary Roberts, and others promoted the idea of vitamin C therapy but were readily dismissed, even belittled. It is said, you don�t die of the flu � you die of the subsequent fluid accumulation in your lungs (pneumonia) and secondary bacterial infection as a result of the flu. In this regard, the discoverer of vitamin C, Albert Szent-Gy�rgyi MD, PhD, said this: "If you do not have sufficient vitamins and get a cold, and as a sequence pneumonia, your diagnosis will not be �lack of ascorbic acid� but �pneumonia.� So you are waylaid immediately." [The Healing Factor, Irwin Stone, 1972] Addendum: Does vaccination prevent flu-related death? Given this author�s negative tack on flu vaccination, frequent challenges are received for me to disclose data on whether the flu vaccine saves lives or not. The question of whether flu shots avert flu-related death is a difficult question to answer. Not every influenza virus, nor every pneumonia death, is confirmed by laboratory testing. The Centers for Disease Control employs statistical methods, not body counts, to come up with flu-related mortality figures. Some guesstimates indicate large numbers of vaccinated populations having been spared their lives. However, one group of researchers report that excess deaths attributable to influenza have only been 5�10% on average in flu seasons in the past several decades. They argue that flu shots could not possibly have prevented more deaths than the 5%�10% of excess deaths in the population. [Archives Internal Medicine 2005; 165(3):265�272; Lancet Infectious Diseases 2007; 7(10):658�666; New England Journal Medicine 2007; 357(26):2729�2730] It�s obvious some pseudoscience has been produced. While observational studies indicate mortality rates during flu seasons are much lower in vaccinated elderly groups, and Kaiser health plan doctors found elderly patients who died were less likely to have been vaccinated (45% versus 63% among survivors), recently investigators found that the vaccinated had relatively low mortality (death) and morbidity (disease) compared to the unvaccinated, even before the start of the flu season, which would certainly skew the data for analysis. Much of the difference in mortality between vaccinated and unvaccinated groups may be attributable to what is called selection bias. Kaiser Health Plan researchers suggest vaccination prevents ~25 deaths per 100,000 elderly people vaccinated in a study year. If this figure is projected to larger senior-adult populations, then flu vaccination would prevent ~250 deaths per 1 million vaccinees and 2500 deaths among 10 million vaccinees. The Kaiser study guesstimates, if no elderly patients were vaccinated the excess mortality rate during the flu season would be ~9.8% and with 60% vaccination coverage, this figure would drop to ~4.6%, a relative 47% reduction. Of course, these numbers are guesstimates because the number of deaths among the unvaccinated has to be estimated. In the Kaiser study, about 4000 elderly people had to be vaccinated for 1 flu-related death to be prevented. One can easily see the flaw in these estimates when one considers in many past flu seasons the vaccine didn�t match the flu strain in circulation. Furthermore, the Kaiser study had no way to determine if a deceased patient had actually received a flu shot in a non-Kaiser facility (nursing home) where Kaiser doesn�t monitor vaccination rates. So some vaccine failures may not have been reported. [American Journal Epidemiology 2009 September 1; 170(5): 650�656] October 12, 2009 Bill Sardi [send him mail] is a frequent writer on health and political topics. His health writings can be found at www.naturalhealthlibrarian.com. He is the author of You Don�t Have To Be Afraid Of Cancer Anymore. Copyright � 2009 Bill Sardi Word of Knowledge Agency, San Dimas, California. This article has been written exclusively for www.LewRockwell.com and other parties who wish to refer to it should link rather than post at other URLs.

PatColo | 11-05-2009 12:50 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # Swedish media desperately fighting against readers posting comments to the "swine flu" propaganda. # WHO continues swine flu jab propaganda push, admits virus mild # Arte video on the swine flu scam # Former UK ambassador reveals torture regime of CIA with British government collusion # Less than 0.1% of French population has taken "swine flu" jab so far, admits French Health Minister # No evidence of a pandemic or new virus in Slovakia bordering Ukraine, says epidemiologist # UPDATE: Polish Health Minister, a family doctor, tells Parliament she will not allow use of untested swine flu jabs: reveals secret contracts violate the law # Swedish government figures show how many "swine flu" doses delivered only, not how many Swedes took jab # German media claims swine flu jab scarce to drive up demand # Celtura given surprise approval in Germany # Live virus found in Baxter swine flu vaccines in Austria: unconfirmed report # Polish Health Minister cut off after accusing WHO of spreading disinformation in Ukraine # Dr Marc Girard urges fierce resistance to any forced vaccinations for profit # Ukraine - 500,000 now affected by mystery virus or Swine Flu # Doctors protest Israel's decision to give toxic Focetria and Pandemrix jabs to people # MARTIAL LAW IN THE UKRAINE * PRESIDENT ANNOUNCES ARRESTS OF OPPONENTS OF FORCED VACCINATION AND QUARANTINES * WHO CARRIES OUT COUP D' ETAT UNDER PANDEMIC EMERGENCY PRETEXT # UKRAINIAN SECRET SERVICES ARREST PANDEMIC BLOGGER # VACCINE OPPONENTS IN THE UKRAINE TO BE ARRESTED # Jane Burgermeister's talk at the Anti Zensur Konferenz in St Gallen - in German read them @ TheFluCase.com

PatColo | 11-08-2009 05:16 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # Clinton Connects Overpopulation to Climate Change # Polish Health Ministry on swine flu jabs issues A/H1N1 (English subtitles embedded) # Swedish woman got the "swine flu" in spite of vaccination against it. # WHO part of plague bioterrorism "exercise" in eastern Europe one month before plague appeared # Is it the plague? A mutated virus? Or is the plague the cover for introducing a mutated virus? More on the Ukrainian puzzle # Medimmune patented manmade H1N1 virus in 2008 # All UK school children to get untested "swine flu" vaccine, reports Guardian # Vaccine choice becomes an election issue in New Jersey # Is Baxter behind the outbreak of pneumonic plague in the Ukraine? # As pneumonia plague appears, WHO launches US$ 39 billion pneunomia vaccination programme: developing countries targetted # Pneumonic Plague Drill Held in Illinois, reports Kurt Nimmo # Will the US supply the Ukrainian government with swine flu jabs for forced vaccinations? # Canadian official calls for army to help with "swine flu" jab campaign # Natural ways to stay healthy: suggestions # French department drops mobile pandemic vaccination teams for schools # Polish Prime Minister says swine flu hysteria generated by pharmaceutical lobby # Opposition party candiates banned from travelling in the Ukraine: elections to be postponed # Clusters of Hemorrhagic H1N1 Pneumonia in Ukraine # DEMONSTRATION AGAINST FORCED VACCINATION OF FRENCH POLICE IN PARIS TODAY # More vaccine deaths in Sweden - desperate cover ups. # POLISH PRIME MINISTER BACKS HEALTH MINISTER IN REJECTING SWINE FLU JAB # Up to 90% of health workers in Greece do not want swine flu shot # Finnish government signals intention to give "swine flu" jab to entire population # Baxter, Novartis and GSK filed patents for "swine flu" jab in 2008 and 2006 # President of Ukraine's neighbour says "swine flu" pandemic artificially created # More reports of pneumonic plague following aerial spraying in the Ukraine # Swiss doctor talks about his concerns over "swine flu" jab in video # French embassy indicates possible pneumonic plague in Ukraine # WHO says A H1N1 breaking species barrier, potentially creating new diseases # Iowa Union wins victory against forced vaccinations in hospital workplace # Montreal health care workers have to take swine flu shot again because of an improper mix # German TV shows hard-hitting report on WHO and the swine flu scam # Martial Law, Forced Vaccinations May be Unfolding in Ukraine # Evidence of HOLDING BACK VACCINE TO CREATE PANIC read them @ TheFluCase.com

PatColo | 11-09-2009 11:53 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread @ TheFluCase.com # Swedish boy, aged 4, close to death from "swine flu" vaccine # What H1N1 swine flu? Majority of Californians intend to ignore the late vaccine: Times/USC poll # Overpopulation Mantra Overheating as Copenhagen Approaches # US government's proposed mandatory health insurance will mean mandatory vaccinations, reports Jazon Pearl # Ukrainian Prime Minister tells supporters to carry "infection" to every village and city # Child paralysed by Flu Mist in the US # Nine students in the US rushed to hospital after swine flu jab # WHO publishes plans to take over the whole of society in pandemic emergency # Stricter moderation of comments to www.theflucase.com # US health organizations write to Obama and ask why surgical masks not being used # Many Italian doctors reject swine flu vaccine # USA: buy a 15,000 dollar health policy or go to gaol # Majority of Swiss nurses do not want the jab # Need for special needles delays vaccination campaign in Norway # UKraine first and Austria second for martial law? # Ukrainian translator blogs from Kiev # EndGame - depopulation is very real - film by Alex Jones # Update on Ukraine "swine flu" epidemic read them @ TheFluCase.com

DMac00 | 11-10-2009 10:21 AM
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Twisted Avatar | 11-10-2009 10:46 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Nets forward Chris Douglas-Roberts has swine flu EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP)�Chris Douglas-Roberts(notes) has tested positive for swine flu, another blow to a New Jersey Nets team that is losing players as quickly as games. Douglas-Roberts had started every game for the winless Nets until missing a loss at Philadelphia on Friday with flu-like symptoms. Nets president Rod Thorn confirmed on Saturday that Douglas-Roberts tested positive for the H1N1 virus Thorn said the player has been treated and the Nets are following all precautionary measures called for by the NBA. Nets coach Lawrence Frank said he had spoken Saturday to Douglas-Roberts, saying, �He doesn�t sound very good.� Frank said he believed Douglas-Roberts was no longer contagious, but doesn�t know when he will return. �All the measures are taken, now it�s a matter of when he feels better,� Frank said. The diagnosis is the latest blow to a team that has been hit by a wave of injuries. Guard Courtney Lee(notes) also was sidelined Saturday with a strained left groin, leaving New Jersey with only eight players in uniform, the minimum allowed, for its game against Boston. The Nets are the only team in the league without a victory and at 0-6 are off to the worst start in franchise history. Douglas-Roberts has been averaging 15.6 points and 4.8 rebounds in five games. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

MNeagle | 11-11-2009 06:04 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread CDC now says 4,000 swine flu deaths in US ATLANTA (AP) - Federal health officials now say that 4,000 or more Americans likely have died from swine flu—about four times the estimate they've been using. The new, higher figure was first reported by The New York Times. It includes deaths caused by complications related to swine flu, including pneumonia and bacterial infections. Until now, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had conservatively put the U.S. swine flu death count at more than 1,000. Officials said this week they're working on an even more accurate calculation. The CDC says "many millions" of Americans have caught the pandemic flu virus since it first appeared in April. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...cle=1&catnum=0 What happened to 'not keeping track' of the numbers???

PatColo | 11-12-2009 05:49 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread @ TheFluCase.com # You want to vaccinate all in the UK do you....? # Half of school children sick from "swine flu" shot # Teen suffers rare illness after swine flu shot # Desiree Jennings Experiences Amazing Recovery with Nature-based Therapies # Vaccine Victim Desiree Jennings Viciously Attacked By Medical Establishment # Kids in Canada get adult dosage for swine flu shot # 17 swine flu deaths in Ukraine, says government # Does the CDC determine swine flu deaths using political and not scientific criteria? # Serbia Declares Swine Flu Epidemic # Dr Carley talks to grandmother of child who died after vaccines on Saturday, 3-5 pm EST # Shocking H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Miscarriage Stories From Pregnant Women # Conflicts of interest? Dr. Mehmet Oz owns 150,000 option shares in vaccine technology company # Don't drive after swine flu jab, advises motorist organisation # Only 10% of French doctors and nurses take the swine flu jab # French Education Minister says all school children to be "offered" jab but not compulsory # Spiegel journalist becomes extremely ill after taking Pandemrix swine flu jab # Confusion over pharmaceutical company's immunity in Switzerland # Top level army group activated in France to plan pandemic operations # Irish Clinics and GPs give pandemic vaccine to 250,000 # Swiss Parliament to launch inquiry into swine flu vaccination programme # GSK "donates" 50 million toxic flu jabs to "poor" countries # BAXTER ADMITS CONTAMINATING 72 KILO VACCINE WITH BIRD FLU ON MAIN STREAM TELEVISION # Humorous take on the poisonous "swine flu" shot. # Suspected Hemorrhagic Pneumonia Outbreak Hits Ukraine - by Stephen Lendman # AUSTRIAN PROSECUTORS DROP CASE AGAINST BAXTER # Ukraine closes all borders to Slovakia (and EU) due to the swine flu # Marc Girard advises French health workers to practise non cooperation # GPs to get bigger bonuses if they meet swine flu jab targets, reports Daily Mail # French government to estimate swine flu infections from "statistical estimate" from now on # Austrian government drops requirement for accurate figures about swine flu # New German Health Minister provides no jabs without adjuvants in spite of protests # Anti-flu vaccine paper published in The Lancet # Why Isn’t the H1N1 Pandemic Flu Being Investigated as a Designed Bioweapon? by Bill Sardi # After the German President, Chancellor Merkel calls for a "New Global Order" centered around the WHO/UN and run by the banksters # My talk to striking students at Vienna University has been unexpectedly cancelled: my subject a "conspiracy theory" and "disruptive" # Polish Health Minister says no swine flu jabs unless pharma companies accept liability # Irish children to be given untested swine flu jab by big pharma allies in government # Ukrainian Health Ministry figures on flu raise questions # Ukrainians protest martial law and pandemic emergency using unconventional methods # Invisible flu according to statistics in Sweden. # Blackout: Military Personnel Banned From H1N1 Vaccine Sites @ TheFluCase.com

Canadian-guerilla | 11-12-2009 11:07 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Deputies Hold Boy Who Fled Flu Shot Student refused; was held down for vaccination November 11, 2009 WHEELING - It took the strength of two sheriff's deputies to keep a middle schooler still enough to receive a shot of the swine flu, or H1N1, vaccine at a recent clinic. During a regular Wheeling-Ohio County Health Board meeting Tuesday, health department Administrator Howard Gamble told board members about the student's attempt to flee Wheeling Middle School during a vaccination clinic held there last Friday. He noted the boy's mother could not bear to watch the scene and left the gymnasium. Out of apparent fear of receiving the injection, the student ran out of the building. The school's resource officer, Ohio County Sheriff's Deputy John Haglock, coaxed the boy back inside. Once at the shot station, however, Haglock apparently needed some help keeping the boy still, and another deputy assisted. "He tried to run. I looked over and saw two sheriff's deputies holding a kid down," Gamble said. "Mom took off, she couldn't take it. You had one nurse with the needle, two deputies holding him, one nurse is grabbing hands - because that's what they want to do, to go after the needle. And that's the last thing you want." Gamble said as soon as the nurse gave the boy his injection and told him he was done, he hopped up like nothing had happened. "For the most part they go very easy. As far as the shots, every once in awhile you have to hold down one or two - but that's why mom is there or dad is there," Gamble said. He added after the meeting that Friday's incident was the only time Ohio County deputies have held a student during a shot. "They're mostly there for parking and directions. They also know the kids. ... They were our first line of contact when setting up the clinics," Gamble said. Neither Sheriff Pat Butler nor Haglock could be reached for comment. A sheriff's department official said Haglock is on vacation for the next two weeks. During a clinic Tuesday at Bridge Street Middle School, similar scenes took place - though not quite as dramatic and not involving officers of the law. A couple sets of parents could be seen keeping their children from wiggling away while a nurse quickly administered the vaccine. Ten-year-old Austin Price, the son of Jennifer and Josh Price, decided to take the shot standing up and with no assistance from his mom or dad. He even smiled for a photograph. And on a scale of 1-10, how painful was the shot? A "4," he answered. By 7:30 p.m., 391 students from Bridge Street and Elm Grove and Middle Creek elementary schools had been vaccinated. Gamble expected that by the clinic's end at 8 p.m., more than 400 would have received the inoculation. The final two student clinics in Ohio County are: For students of Warwood Middle School, Corpus Christi, Warwood and West Liberty Elementary schools from 3:30-8 p.m. Thursday at Warwood Middle School Gym. For students of Wheeling Park High School from 9 a.m. to 2 p.m. Saturday at WPHS Activities Center. Tuesday's health board meeting was held in the county commission board room - located on the second floor of the City-County Building - due to the health department's board room being used for storage. http://www.news-register.net/page/co...5.html?nav=515

Canadian-guerilla | 11-12-2009 11:11 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Va. teen suffers rare illness after swine flu shot Wed., Nov . 11, 2009 Boy diagnosed with Guillain-Barre syndrome, but CDC says no clear link http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/MSNBC/C...5p.hmedium.jpg Jordan McFarland, 14, was hospitalized for five days after coming down with Guillain-Barre syndrome hours after receiving a vaccination for H1N1. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33845867...-cold_and_flu/

MNeagle | 11-12-2009 02:36 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread CDC: Swine flu has sickened 22 million in 6 months WASHINGTON (AP) - Government health officials say swine flu has sickened about 22 million Americans since April. They say about 4,000 have died, including 540 children. The startling new figures—about four times higher than previous death estimates—don't mean swine flu has suddenly gotten worse. Instead, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday called them a long-awaited better attempt to understand the virus' true toll. The CDC now believes that about 98,000 people have been hospitalized in the first six months of the nation's swine flu epidemic, including 36,000 children. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...cle=1&catnum=0

Abouthadit | 11-12-2009 08:07 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by MNeagle (Post 2022135) CDC: Swine flu has sickened 22 million in 6 months WASHINGTON (AP) - Government health officials say swine flu has sickened about 22 million Americans since April. They say about 4,000 have died, including 540 children. The startling new figures—about four times higher than previous death estimates—don't mean swine flu has suddenly gotten worse. Instead, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday called them a long-awaited better attempt to understand the virus' true toll. The CDC now believes that about 98,000 people have been hospitalized in the first six months of the nation's swine flu epidemic, including 36,000 children. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...cle=1&catnum=0
The 4000 number is not actually meaasured or counted, it is an approximation using models. Why? Because the numbers do not support any so-called pandemic. Period. CDC= fedcorpgov propaganda arm.

Drumblebum | 11-12-2009 09:40 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
"He tried to run. I looked over and saw two sheriff's deputies holding a kid down," Gamble said. "Mom took off, she couldn't take it. You had one nurse with the needle, two deputies holding him, one nurse is grabbing hands - because that's what they want to do, to go after the needle. And that's the last thing you want."
Mom is a coward and unfit to be a mother. How is it that the State has managed to establish an illusion of authority so significant as to be able to override a mother's instincts to protect her child from harm?

PatColo | 11-13-2009 11:39 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread @ TheFluCase.com # # Flu Vaccinated Kids More Likely to Be Hospitalized # "Bird Flu" Similar to Deadly 1918 Flu, Gene Study Finds # Woman stole "swine flu" vaccine in Sweden # H1N1 is a 'dud' pandemic, Ontario health official says # Nevada Nurses win temporary restraining order in required vaccination case # Children to be bussed to swine flu vaccine centres in Canada # Population Reduction: Globalist Endgame Begins? # Many women report miscarriages after receiving the swine flu shot # Teen diagnosed with Guillain-Barre Syndrome after swine flu shot # Has the swine flu virus mutated to become more like the Spanish flu? # POLICE IN US HOLD DOWN BOY WHO TRIED TO FLEE SWINE FLU JAB # Depopulation theory and practice - video # HR 3962: No Child Left Unimmunized Against Influenza? # Health Care Workers Rally Against Flu Vaccine MANDATE or lose jobs # Anti-vaccine movement infiltrated by Big Pharma? @ TheFluCase.com

thorgrim | 11-13-2009 04:18 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumblebum (Post 2022930) Mom is a coward and unfit to be a mother. How is it that the State has managed to establish an illusion of authority so significant as to be able to override a mother's instincts to protect her child from harm?
That really bothered me as well. The kid is 14 not 4 if he doesn't want the shot to such a degree that he would run and then have to be held down why wouldn't she intervene? This is probably going to scar the poor kid psychologically, knowing that his mother didn't even try to help him.

reviver | 11-14-2009 09:41 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Excellent article from Dr. Mercola today regarding vaccinations. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ine-Myths.aspx Expert Pediatrician Exposes Vaccine Myths Dr. Larry Palevsky is a board-certified pediatrician trained at the New York School of Medicine, and one of the leading physicians in the country who, from my view, is actually able to compellingly and convincingly provide sound, rational, scientific justification as to why you need to seriously reconsider the wisdom of choosing vaccines as an option to prevent against most diseases. The Difference Between What You Learn in School and What Works Dr. Palevsky says: �When I went through medical school, I was taught that vaccines were completely safe and completely effective, and I had no reason to believe otherwise. All the information that I was taught was pretty standard in all the medical schools and the teachings and scientific literature throughout the country. I had no reason to disbelieve it. Over the years, I kept practicing medicine and using vaccines and thinking that my approach to vaccines was completely onboard with everything else I was taught. But more and more, I kept seeing that my experience of the world, my experience in using and reading about vaccines, and hearing what parents were saying about vaccines were very different from what I was taught in medical school and my residency training. � and it became clearer to me as I read the research, listened to more and more parents, and found other practitioners who also shared the same concern that vaccines had not been completely proven safe or even completely effective, based on the literature that we have today. � It didn�t appear that the scientific studies that we were given were actually appropriately designed to prove and test the safety and efficacy. It also came to my attention that there were ingredients in there that were not properly tested, that the comparison groups were not appropriately set up, and that conclusions made about vaccine safety and efficacy just did not fit the scientific standards that I was trained to uphold in my medical school training.� Were Vaccines Really the �Savior� Against Past Diseases? Conventional medicine teaches that the polio and the smallpox epidemics went away because of the vaccines, and that most of the diseases that we faced in the 20th century in the United States were brought down because of the power, strength and the implementation of the vaccine policy. Meanwhile, there are a significant number of studies in the medical literature that actually show there were many other reasons that these infectious diseases went away. For example, one article published in 2000 in the Pediatrics Journal describes how, before the World War II, the majority of the infectious diseases the US was faced with � such as diphtheria, tetanus, polio, pertussis, measles, influenza, parapertussis, tuberculosis and scarlet fever � were all reduced before World War II and BEFORE there were antibiotics and vaccinations available to treat or to vaccinate against these diseases. The reasons for the reductions in incidence rates and mortality of these diseases were predominantly due to the implementation of public health strategies, including: Clean water Better living conditions Improved sanitation Improved nutrition There are many such examples. Have the Proper Safety Studies Actually Been Done? So, why is there such a vast difference among intelligent, scientifically oriented, committed and objective scientists and physicians about the safety and efficacy of vaccines? Dr. Palevsky says: �I think that if you ask most of my colleagues where they get their information, they will say that they read it from the American Academy of Pediatrics, from the AMA, from the CDC, and in their journals. But I would like to challenge most of my colleagues to look through the studies themselves to actually see if the proper scientific studies were done using a proper study group and a proper control group. Were the ingredients in vaccines properly studied? Is there a difference between being exposed to a virus, bacteria, heavy metal or toxin through the air, food, your intestines and your skin, versus when it�s injected into your body? Have we really looked at what happens to vaccine materials once injected into a child? Is an antibody sufficient to provide protection for a child against disease? More and more studies are coming out to show that: The proper studies haven�t been done Antibodies are not the final way in which your body is protected There is a difference between how children process material through air and food versus through injection There are particles in vaccines that do accumulate in your body and cause impairments in your immune system There are particles in the vaccines that get into your brain, and There are foreign DNA particles that get into your body For many health professionals it is a shock to discover that there is such a lack of information on the safety and efficacy, and a mounting degree of information that actually raises suspicions about the safety and effectiveness of vaccines, and whether or not they have been properly studied.� What we currently have is a one-sided policy; a one way of thinking that is impossible to really allow for the appropriate debate. Science is truly a field where you ask a question, you find an answer, and you don�t have the biases or the influences that change the way an answer or a conclusion is made. We are not seeing that with vaccines. On a personal note, I recently received the Visionary Award at the NVIC conference in Washington DC. In my acceptance speech, I basically broke down in tears when I told the audience how I felt when I came to realize that by routinely vaccinating thousands of innocent children at my clinic, I�d probably caused damage to many of them. It was a very difficult thing for me to accept intellectually and emotionally. How a Conventionally Trained Physician Accepts that Vaccines Can Cause Harm Dr. Palevsky began his investigation in earnest about 10 years ago because parents came to him with complaints, worries, and concerns that something had happened to their children after they were vaccinated. Interestingly, this is the same way that I became enlightened about vaccines -- through the concern of a very patient mother whose family I was taking care of. She gently persisted in showing me the evidence and thank God I listened! Tragically, most doctors are far too arrogant to even consider that there is any possibility that there might be something wrong with vaccines. Most pediatricians are indoctrinated to simply tell parents that anything related to a bad outcome from a vaccine is a mere coincidence. But how come there are so many of these �coincidences�? Says Palevsky, �It is heartbreaking, because I see many of these kids who were developmentally normal, who were doing well, who were speaking, then whose voices and eye contacts were lost, who went into seizures, who developed asthma and allergies, and they had nowhere to go because they�re doctors told them that they don�t know what they�re talking about. These kids are real. The literature is showing that there are changes in the immune system of children who are vaccinated, especially if we vaccinate them before one year of age or even at one day of age. The literature is there. It�s good scientific literature, and it shows that more and more of these kids who are suffering from chronic illness are suffering from impairments of their immune system. Whether vaccines are causative or contributory, the literature is showing that there is a role that vaccines are playing in creating the groundwork for these children�s immune systems to start to show signs of impairment and destruction. � When I look at the studies that the American Academy of Pediatrics and the CDC put out, saying that there�s no correlation between vaccination and autism or vaccinations and asthma, I have to say that the studies just don�t hold up to the scientific standards. You can�t have 25 children in a study and then report that this proves that no children who get autism have any correlation to being injured by vaccines. This is what the media does: they take these conclusions, put it right out in front of the newspapers and say, �Vaccines don�t cause autism.� When you really look at the studies � and there�s not a proper control group and there�s only 25 people � you can�t make a grand, generalized statement about a general population because you�ve studied 25 children.� The NVIC Set to Create Groundbreaking Vaccine Safety Research The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) just raised $100,000 and continues to look for donations and sponsors to allow proper safety studies to be done by independent researchers, who aren�t going to influence the outcomes. One study that looked at the health outcomes of vaccinated versus unvaccinated children does exist. Published in the Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology in April 2005, that looked at the health outcomes of children who are fully vaccinated, who are partially vaccinated, and who are not vaccinated at all. All the investigators asked the parents to do was to report atopic illness. Atopic illness means allergies, asthma, eczema, hay fever. The investigators were blinded, meaning they didn�t know which category the participants belonged to. When they assessed the data, they found that the largest number of reports by parents of children with atopic illness were in the kids who were fully vaccinated. The second highest reports were in the families who are partially vaccinated. And the lowest number of reports was in the children who were unvaccinated� The investigators performed a statistical analysis to see if the data was based on chance or on real statistical differences, and found there were statistically significant differences between these groups. They couldn�t understand how this was possible, because the generally accepted consensus is that vaccines are completely safe, and completely effective. Based on this initial finding, we clearly need to do follow-up studies to ask the same question over and over again; repeat this kind of investigation with different populations across different parts of the country, to unearth the truth! Dr. Palevsky says: �Certainly, the issue has been raised about the special interests, the money that�s tied, the policies, how much money the vaccine manufacturers stand to make, the doctors who make decisions on vaccines, and how much money they stand to make. But we need the science and not this conspiracy theory... If we just stay with the science, and really start to address the need for the science, and look at the fact that there is a lack of science, we will definitely see that more needs to be done. We have not done due diligence.� Are Some Vaccines Safer Than Others? Many may be surprised by Dr. Palevsky�s answer: �� in my research of the vaccines, and of the basic microbiology and virology that we�re trained to know in our medical training, I cannot understand how a vaccine with a virus can be safe.� What most people don�t know is that a virus is not �alive,� per se. It is simply a piece or strand of either RNA or DNA. And even of itself, a virus can�t �do� anything. In addition it is so tiny that it can only be seen under an electron microscope. It is much smaller than bacteria, which can only be seen in the regular microscope. So viruses cannot be isolated when you make a viral vaccine. All that can be isolated is the tissue, whether it�s human tissue or animal tissue that is believed to have been infected by that specific virus that you�re trying to isolate. So when a viral culture or a set of cultures are made including the specific virus, you�re going to have the DNA of people or animals who were already infected. Those cells are then taken and grown on animal cells, whether it's monkey kidney cells or chicken embryo cells. When mixed together, these cells will splice and recombine, which means that DNA from animal cells are going to mix with DNA from the known infected cells with the virus. So by definition, a viral vaccine contains foreign animal and, even possibly, foreign human DNA. That�s why if you have an egg allergy, you shouldn�t get certain vaccines because it is known that there�s going to be egg protein in the vaccine. So the question is, how safe is it to inject viral material that is embedded into the DNA of foreign DNA cells? What studies have been done to actually test whether foreign DNA is getting into your body; whether it stays in your DNA; whether it gets into your brain; and whether there are foreign animal viruses that are inherently present in animal DNA to begin with? The Dangers of Adjuvants Adjuvants are used in vaccines in order to create a sufficiently strong immunological response. Adjuvants augment your immunological response. But there is clear evidence that adjuvants, like aluminum and squalene impair your immune system. So while you may be getting the antibodies desired, you are, at the same time, damaging your immune system. Particularly in children, this can set them up to develop chronic illness. Pushing for Informed Consent So, does that mean you should never vaccinate against anything? Dr. Palevsky says: �That�s something that needs to be left up to the individual parent. I am truly a proponent of informed consent, and I�m truly supportive of families who have done their homework and who have been able to make the choice. What is the possible risk of the illness? What is the possible health outcome if your child gets one of those illnesses? And how much do you know about those risks versus how much do you know about the risks of the vaccines and the health outcomes of what may happen when children are vaccinated against single, or even multiple, vaccines? And when parents are given both sides, it is up to them to make that informed choice. It is no longer my role to tell them that they must do this vaccine but not that vaccine, because each parent has to make an informed choice based on their understanding of how diseases occur or don�t occur, what science we have available, and whether they feel comfortable with the devil that they know (the science and the outcomes of disease) versus the devil that they don�t know (science and the outcomes of the vaccine).� What about the Swine Flu Vaccine? Echoing many other health professionals, including myself, Dr. Palevsky�s concern is that there haven�t been sufficient amounts of scientific investigation to actually be able to say that the vaccines are safe, or even effective. He says: �Now if you read the packaging first of the swine flu vaccine, it specifically states that the swine flu or the H1N1 flu vaccine was manufactured in the same manufacturing process as the flu vaccine. Therefore since we believe that the flu vaccine has been sufficiently tested to be safe, we can then conclude that the H1N1 vaccine is safe. But the public should know that even though our authorities are standing there and saying that the H1N1 vaccine is safe, the proper studies have not been done. � And it�s unfair to say to parents or to the public that if you come down with a flu-like illness, it must be H1N1. In studies that have been done, people who did get the flu had their noses swabbed, and they were found to have H1N1. What�s missing in these data is a population of healthy people who have not had any flu symptoms � to actually see if their noses contained H1N1 � because if someone is sick and has the presence of an H1N1 virus in the nose, it doesn�t mean that the H1N1 is causing the illness. You really have to take an appropriate control group to see if people are colonized with that virus even when they�re not sick. So we don�t have that data; we really don�t know. I don�t think we can say with good scientific certainty that people who are getting sick from the flu and who are being diagnosed with H1N1 are actually having H1N1 as the cause.� Other Ways to Protect Yourself Against the Flu Again, there�s clear evidence in the medical literature that shows proper hygiene, proper sleep, proper diet, proper supplementation with things like vitamin D (making sure that you get your vitamin D level done first), and perhaps vitamin C, can actually prevent you from getting the flu. Many insist that vaccinated individuals �protect� the unvaccinated against the flu virus � in essence, reaping the benefit of the protection they refuse for themselves, while at the same time putting others in danger. But how does that make sense? Says Dr. Palevsky: �How does vaccinating against the flu virus stop you from carrying the flu virus in your nasal passages?� And yet, this is what many believe. The Concept of Herd Immunity � BUSTED! One of the primary arguments that is being used to justify this insane behavior is �herd immunity.� The fact is that vaccination does NOT stop you from carrying bacteria or viruses in your nose, in your throat, in your intestines, in your airway, on your skin, or in your body. But many do not understand the significance of this fact, and have been made to believe that if you�re vaccinated, you won�t carry viruses, and therefore, others will be protected because you�re vaccinated. As it turns out, this belief is NOT based on scientific fact. Dr. Palevsky explains: �This whole concept of herd immunity is very interesting, because we were taught that herd immunity occurs because a certain percentage of a population gets an active illness. Therefore by a certain percentage of getting the active illness, they impart a protection onto the remaining part of the population that has not gotten the illness yet. And so the herd that is getting the illness is shedding the illness and protecting those who have not gotten it. In vaccine science, we are extrapolating or concluding that if we vaccinate a certain percentage of people, we are imparting protection on those who have not been vaccinated. And that has NOT been shown to be true, because the true herd immunity in theory is based on an ACTIVE DISEASE, and we know that despite what we�re taught, vaccination does not mimic the natural disease. So we cannot use the same model of herd immunity in a natural disease in the vaccination policy. But unfortunately, we do use it even though it cannot be used because it doesn�t have scientific backing. What�s most interesting to me is that the entire concept of herd immunity fails to acknowledge that there is a life cycle of the viruses and the bacteria all on their own, and that what turns them on and off may have nothing to do with the percentage of people who have been infected. All you have to do is look at the SARS outbreak. That virus that we were supposed to fear didn�t infect 70 or 80 percent of the population, which would then impart herd immunity on the 20 or 30 percent that didn�t get the disease. This is because the virus itself had a life cycle of its own. And so it came and went without any percentage of the population being protected. There wasn�t herd immunity, and yet the virus died out on its own. We fail to include that viruses have a life cycle, and that they are in relationship to other organisms and to us. Something activates them and something actually stops them, and it has nothing necessarily to do with the percentage of people who would have the illness or who have been vaccinated. � It is preposterous to think that a child who is vaccinated no longer carries the bacteria or the viruses that they have been vaccinated against. If, in fact, children are vaccinated, then why are parents and public health authorities afraid that non-vaccinated children are somehow carrying something that their children are not, when they should feel comfortable that their children are vaccinated? You can�t have it both ways. You can�t vaccinate believing that your children are protected and then feel that your children are not protected because somehow, some non-vaccinated child is carrying some secret organism that no one else is carrying. It just doesn�t make any sense.� The Difference between Natural Immunity and Vaccine-lnduced Immunity It�s important to understand that the natural illness has greater influence on the health of your body. Says Dr. Palevsky: �In medical school, the mentors that I had saw children in their practices in the 40s, 50s and all the way up to the 80s getting these flu-like illnesses who were properly treated with rest, fluids and proper supplementation. Those kids had developmental growth spurts after the illnesses were over. There is something to say for these viral illnesses that impart a certain boosting of the immune system of your children. And if we�re not letting them have these illnesses, what are we doing to their immune systems? Aren�t we actually hampering their overall health?� You need to understand that there�s a significant difference between natural immunity and vaccination immunity. When children are born, they develop natural immunity to hundreds, thousands, millions, and even trillions of microorganisms that they breathe in, eat, and touch through their skin. Their immune systems at the lining of their airways, at the lining of their intestines, and on their skin are actively protecting their body from the outside world. Those immune systems that are intricately and specifically located in the linings are very important to create memory and protection to the organisms that they continue to breathe, eat, and touch. That immune system response then has a domino effect on creating other memory and immune responses that give your body antibodies and protection. That�s a very important step for how the immune system matures in our children. From the linings, the immune system receives information, sends out signals to all other parts of the immune system, and creates an immune response, memory, and antibodies. On the other hand, when you inject materials into your body, you are bypassing that crucial first step called the primary line of defense. With vaccination you are just creating an antibody. That does NOT impart long-term immunity because it does not create the kind of memory that occurs when you breathe it in, eat it, or are exposed through the skin, and then go through the course of the natural disease. Some people will argue that this is why we have nasal spray vaccines. However, again, you�re making the assumption that you have not already been exposed to the virus at some point, and you�re also making the assumption that exposure automatically leads to infection. Exposure does not necessarily lead to infection. A lot of it has to do with the overall status of your immune system. The Dangers of Combining Vaccines One issue that is frequently ignored is the potential harm from the synergy of combinations of vaccines, which have never been studied. No one knows whether there�s interaction between the bacteria and the viruses in the vaccines administered as part of the childhood vaccination schedule, or if there is interaction in the trace thimerosal (which is still in some of the multi-vials of certain vaccines), or the large amount of aluminum that is in many of them. Dr. Palevsky says: �There is a scientist named Boyd Haley, who has actually looked into some of the vaccine ingredients and (1) what happens to nerve cells when you inject them in the lab to specific vaccine ingredients, and (2) what happens to the nerve cells when you keep adding another vaccine ingredient. He specifically showed that in the presence of thimerosal, there�s a lot of damage to nerve cells. When you add aluminum to the thimerosal, you need less thimerosal to create the damage to the immune and nerve cells in the presence of aluminum. Then when you add neomycin � an antibiotic in some of the vaccines � it potentiates the potency of nerve cell damage with aluminum and mercury together. And when you culture the nerve cells and testosterone, versus estrogen, and you expose them to some of the vaccine ingredients like thimerosal, you actually see that the nerve cells that are exposed to testosterone are more damaged in greater amounts than the nerve cells that are bathed in estrogen. That raises some concern because we do see that children with neurodevelopmental disorders are 4:1, boys to girls. So you have to question whether testosterone actually makes children more vulnerable to exposure to toxins like mercury, aluminum or their combination? None of these studies have been done in humans. People say, �We can�t do those studies.� And I say, �Why not?� They say, �It�s unethical.� I say, �Well, if it�s unethical to do those studies on vaccine ingredients and combining them together, then it�s unethical to give the vaccines in general.� So we�re missing a lot of important data that we won�t believe, and we�re also missing a lot of important data that we won�t accumulate because most of the studies that are done are by the manufacturers of the vaccines themselves.� About Dr. Lawrence B. Palevsky, M.D., F.A.A.P. Dr. Palevsky is a board certified pediatrician who utilizes a holistic approach to children�s wellness and illness. Dr. Palevsky received his medical degree from the NYU School of Medicine in 1987, completed a three-year pediatric residency at The Mount Sinai Hospital in NYC in 1990, and served as a pediatric fellow in the ambulatory care out-patient department at Bellevue Hospital, NYC, from 1990-1991. Since 1991, his clinical experience includes working in pediatric emergency and intensive care medicine, in-patient and out-patient pediatric medicine, neonatal intensive care medicine, newborn and delivery room medicine, and conventional, holistic and integrative pediatric private practice at the Center for Health & Healing- an integrative and complementary care medical facility affiliated with the Beth Israel Medical Center in NYC. Dr. Palevsky is a Fellow of the American Academy of Pediatrics, co-founder and President of the Holistic Pediatric Association (www.hpakids.org) and Past�President of the American Holistic Medical Association (www.holisticmedicine.org). In his current practice in Northport, Long Island and Manhattan, NYC, Dr. Palevsky offers consultations and educational programs to families and practitioners in the areas of preventive and holistic health; childhood development; lifestyle changes; nutrition for adults, infants and children; safe, alternative treatments for common and difficult to treat acute and chronic pediatric and adult conditions; vaccination controversies; mindful parenting; and rethinking the medical paradigm. Additionally, he teaches holistic integrative pediatric & adolescent medicine to parents, and medical and allied health professionals, both nationally & internationally, and is available for speaking engagements worldwide. For more information or to contact Dr. Palevsky, please visit www.drpalevsky.com or contact info@drpalevsky.com

PatColo | 11-14-2009 01:58 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread @ TheFluCase.com: # Fallen behind schedule with swine flu jabs, Austrian government spreads idea no "pandemic" until January # Korneuburg prosecutor stays silent on reasons why he dropped the Baxter case # About 1.2% of Austrians take swine flu jab in first week # Expectant mothers take legal action in Belgium over swine flu jab with adjuvants # Swissmedic gives surprise approval to Celtuta swine flu jab # Austrian popular newspaper carries open letter to Health Minister about artificial pandemic to make profits for big pharma # WHO to help pick out first victims of swine flu jab in Ukraine, reports ukraineplague.blogspot * swine flu jabs soon to be compulsory # Ukraine, WHO And The Geopolitics Of Swine Flu Panic By F. William Engdahl # 0.15% of French population take swine flu jab between October 21st and November 10th # Swiss Health Ministers criticises Cantons over swine flu jab programme # German MPs told to line up for the "swine flu" jab from end of November # Few German corporations plan to give jab to staff, reports Bild # French Health Minister to take the swine flu shot in front of press cameras # REPOST: Key report on the Ukraine pneumonia outbreak by Stephen Lendman # Two people die in China after taking the swine flu jab # Thank you # Serbia using the swine flu as a pretext to suspend civic rights, suggests MMNews # Germans rejecting swine flu jab increases in spite of swine flu media scare stories # EIGHT DEATHS IN SWEDEN REPORTED DUE TO SWINE FLU JAB, ADMITS MEDICAL PRODUCTS AGENCY # Belgian doctors group that recommended swine flu jab sponsored by GSK # Polish people support Health Minister in rejecting untested swine flu jab # Germany loosens "swine flu" reporting requirements # UAE makes swine flu jab compulsory for pilgrims going to Mecca # Scool in France suspended because of swine flu # Canada changes swine flu jab dosage for health children between 3 and 9 years old # Dutch start to get their swine flu jab summons by post: eyewitness report # Is Canada next for the pneumonic plague? # Viral distress syndrome cause of death in Ukraine, reports website # Child of two and woman of 18 die after getting swine flu shot in Finland # Two Germans died after taking swine flu jab: state prosecutor to investigate # French Woman Gets Crippling Illness After H1N1 Vaccine @ TheFluCase.com

PatColo | 11-15-2009 03:36 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread @ TheFluCase.com: # Croatian Priest Says Vaccine for Destruction of Humanity Worldwide # More than half of the UK population doesn't accept climate change is man-made # Vaccine Action Letter # Reflections And Warnings - An Interview With Aaron Russo {Full Film} # Italian MP Denounces Bilderberg Influence During European Parliament Meeting # H1N1: Fact or Fiction? # 58% of Greek Doctors and 90% of nurses refuse the "swine flu" vaccine # Polish professor on the "swine flu"! # Propaganda aimed at children - insane! # WORKSHOP ON HOW TO WRITE AND RESEARCH REPORTS FOR ALTERNATIVE MEDIA: VIENNA # Comments to this site on "pause" @ TheFluCase.com

PatColo | 11-17-2009 09:15 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # Swedish authorities argue with each other over vaccine safety. # Flashback: Spiegel report highlights links between big pharma and German government # UK bioweapons lab allegedly finds evidence swine flu has mutated in the Ukraine # Million hit by "plague worse than swine flu", reports Sunday Express # UK government got patent for pneumonic plague vaccine in 2009 # Novartis package inserts admit no data on whether swine flu jab harms pregnant women and children # US Government squalene contracts 2004: major fraud reports Jazon Pearl # Registered Nurse Joey Fuller talks about the swine flu scam # German mainstream TV showed programme about swine flu jab dangers - predicts damage # German doctors association issued warning about swine flu jab last week # Hitachi's new official microchips are 63 times smaller than in 2003: come in syringes. # New Zealand asks: who signed the regulations that allow compulsory vaccinations by WHO? # Salzburg hospital staff and visitors told: wear face mask or get jab # New pandemic pneumonia deaths reported in Bosnia and Poland # Polish fire fighters get special funding to prepare for "pandemic" # BILD admits at least 7 people have died in Germany so far from the swine flu jab # Three people alone die in Thuringia, Germany, after jab # Spraying over Villach, Austria? # Fax of Austrian Health Minister's letter confirming criminal charges sent to Bild # Are Poland and Austria at the forefront of an undeclared biological war? # Is WHO panicking? Signs of growing instability and uncertainty # Axel Springer's BILD carries hit piece against me: BILD lies easy to prove # WHO moves to ban gatherings of a 1000 people as global crackdown begins # Plague spraying in southern Austria? # Three schools closed in south of France because of pandemic: are Baxter vaccines the cause? # Swine flu jab no longer compulsory for French Gendarmes following protests # Fire department in Poland prepares for huge pandemic flu outbreak in 2 to 3 months # German man of 55 dies half day after getting the swine flu jab # British scientists testing Ukrainian "super flu" that has killed 189 people, reports Daily Mail # The European BioWar outbreak, by Dr Rebecca Carley # NIGHTTIME AEROSOL SPRAYING BY PLANES REPORTED IN POLAND read them @ TheFluCase.com

PatColo | 11-17-2009 09:24 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread pretty good roundup of where the bio-war stands currently, The European BioWar outbreak, by Dr Rebecca Carley A Tale of Two Stories: The European BioWar outbreak and the censoring of it by the mainstream news media. by Dr Rebecca Carley The biggest story on the Planet today is the outbreak of a veryserious Advanced Biological War virus in Europe. The second biggest story on the Planet is the suppression of this story for almost two weeks by the corporate owned mainstream news media. There is a lot we know and a lot that we can only speculate on about what is unfolding in Central Europe. We know that in mid-October, less than a month ago, there was a growing number of cases of what many thought was Swine Flu (A/H1N1) in the western part of the Ukraine. We know that many hundreds if not thousands of people in western Ukraine witnessed low flying light airplanes aerosol spraying something over Ukrainian cities during the days of October 29, 2009 and October 31, 2009. We know that beginning the night of October 29th, massive numbers of people begin to get very sick. We know that the Ukraine government issued a statement denying that it was doing any aerial spraying to combat the growing disease or authorizing any spraying over Ukrainian cities. We know that by October 30th, the Ukrainian authorities closed all schools for three weeks and banded public gatherings. We do NOT know what disease the people were/are coming down with. We do know that doctors are describing the disease as Pneumonic Plague, or as some type of hemorrhagic fever, or as hemorrhagic influenza, or as hemorrhagic pneumonia. We know that the illness, whatever it is, does not appear to be A/H1N1. We do not know if the disease is a recombination of A/H1N1 with other viruses or some totally different virus or if it is in fact a virus. We know that the World Health Organization (WHO) has had several days to sequence the genes of the disease but has failed to release this data. We know that WHO has NOT called for the quarantining of the Ukraine or the shutdown of all global travel to/from the area of infection and that this is the same thing that they did when Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1) first broke out and that the failure to contain that virus early on ensured its spread throughout the world. We know that the internal temperature of the lungs of those with a terminal case of what many are calling 'Ukrainian Plague' is often from 130F to 135F. We do know that autopsies show that the lungs are filled with blood, and are black in color, and that the lung tissue has turned to mush. We know that patients who first show any signs of illness usually crash in less than 48 hours, sometimes the same day. We know that the disease was spreading by about 200,000 per day but that this has slowed to about 100,000 day now, in the Ukraine, as people take extraordinary steps to contain the spread of the disease. We know that well over one and a third million people in the Ukraine are very ill with the disease (according to published official sources) and that over 60,000 are hospitalized in serious to critical condition. We know that the disease has a very high transmission rate with a likely low amount of viral (if it is in fact a virus) material needed to cause an infection. We know that the official reports of deaths are under 300 in the Ukraine. We also know that it is normal for hospital admissions of people with ARI (acute respiratory infection) to have a fatality rate of from 5% to 10%. We know that non-official sources were reporting over 3,000 deaths several days ago and that this number is more in tune with the 5-10% fatality rate than the official figures. We do not know what effective treatments are for this illness. We do know that young adults seem to be more in danger of this illness. We suspect that 'cytokine storming' similar to that in the 1918 Spanish Flu, that killed approximately 50 million people, is taking place. We know from official Ukrainian Health Ministry reports that the illness does not test out as Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1). We do not know if the existing Swine Flu vaccine has any effect, but based on the non-positive response to Swine Flu in testing, we suspect that the vaccine is ineffective as the viral protean shell is different than A/H1N1 (if in fact it is a virus that causes the illness). We know that the illness has spread to Poland, where over one quarter of a million people are now very ill. We know that it has spread to Belarus and to Hungary and elsewhere in central Europe. We know that 900,000 people are said to have Swine Flu in Norway but we do not know if this is related to Ukraine Plague in any way. We know that on November 8th a South African site (fto.co.za ) carried the following: /"Suspicious aircraft were forced to land. A US operated (Russian-made long-range heavy transport) AN-124 changed its call sign from civilian to military which then triggered a response from the IAF (Indian Air Force) upon entering Pakistani air space (forcing) the plane to land in Mumbai while (a) second one was forced down by Nigerian fighter jets that also arrested the crew." "According to reports, China's People's Liberation Army Air Force contacted the Indian and Nigerian intelligence officials about the presence of these US operated Ukrainian aircraft amidst growing concern that the United States was spreading 'biological agents' in the Earth's atmosphere, which some Chinese officials believed to be an attempt to (commit) mass genocide via the spread of H1N1 swine flu." These aircraft "were carrying 'waste disposal' systems that could spray up to 45,000kg (nearly 100,000 pounds) of aerial type mist from sophisticated....nano pipes" in the planes' wings - called chemtrails./ We know that Baxter International Pharmaceuticals sent 72 kilos of human influenza H3N2 vaccine materials to 16 labs in European nations which contained live H5N1 Bird Flu viruses. We know that this was only discovered when a Czech lab tested the material on several ferrets (ferrets have a similar respiratory system to humans) and all of the ferrets died in short order. We know that Baxter claimed that this was human error. We also know that such a 'human error' is basically impossible with the containment protocols in place at Baxter and any other modern biolabs using Biosafety Level 3 (BLS-3) lab technology. We know that in mid-August a Joseph Moshe, who is a Mossad biological warfare expert, called in to Dr. A. True Ott's national radio talk show and reported that Baxter was getting ready to release a deadly plague from its Ukrainian lab and that he was shortly meeting with US Attorneys in Los Angles to give evidence about this. We know that shortly thereafter Moshe was apprehended by Federal agents and LA police and taken to the Israeli Consulate. We know that he was quickly flown to Israel and that no further word has come from him. We know that over the last three or so years a large number of biological experts, from a number of places all over the world, have died strange deaths and that this has been commented on by various publications in the past. We know that the sudden appearance of Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1) virtually had to have been a release from a biological warfare lab. We know that A/H1N1 has gene sequences from three different types (American, Asian, and African) of Swine Flu, of Bird Flu, of two different types of human seasonal flu, and of Spanish Flu and that such a recombination is so unlikely in nature as to be virtually impossible. We know that the WHO policies of not requiring a major quarantine of Mexico ensured that A/H1N1 would spread throughout the world. We know that the current Swine Flu "Vaccine" is almost totally untested, and that the manufactures are protected from lawsuits for even deliberate acts that result in deaths and that nations acquiring the vaccines are required to sign contracts agreeing not to release negative information on the "vaccine" to the public. We know that published additives to the "vaccine" include highly dangerous-to-human-health substances. We know that the corporate owned mainstream news media (with strong links to global banking families) have censored this story in a way that has never happen before. We know that the outbreak of a unknown but deadly and very rapidly spreading disease in Europe is the largest story on Earth but that it is NOT being reported on. http://europebusines.blogspot.com/ Also found at http://mignews.com.ua/en/articles/378759.html is the following: // 13.11.2009 // 14:24 // Doctors learned why Ukrainians dying! (updated at 06:25 pm) MIGnews.com.ua All victims of the virus in Bukovyna (22 people at the age of 20-40) died not from bilateral pneumonia, as was previously thought, but as a result of viral distress syndrome, i.e the total destruction of the lungs. At first the cardio-pulmonary insufficiency comes, and consequently cardiogenic shock is developed, which causes cardiac standstill and death, told the chief of bureau of the Chernivtsi regional forensic examination, doctor of science, Professor Viktor Bachynsky, UNIAN reports. "During a bilateral pneumonia some morphological picture is observed. As of data of deaths, there is no such morphological picture. The virus, which causes death, is very aggressive, it does not strike the trachea, but immediately gets into the lungs and causes heavy swelling and solid hemorrhage. Mixed types of parainfluenza and influenza A/N1N1 lead to this state. This is a very toxic strain, which has not yet answered to the treatment of the Ministry of Health", - said Viktor Bachinsky. According to him, there is a need to change the treatment standards, because those which were used earlier, resulted in nothing � doctors failed to save all people infected with the virus in the reanimation. The belt ventilators did not help also. For this reason a group of professors of Chernivtsi Medical University appealed to the Ministry of Health and National Security and Defense Council with a demand to review the standards of treatment of patients in Bukovyna. Scientists-morphologists sent to Kyiv reports, studies and analysis of critically ill patients and people who died of virus. Viktor Bachinsky noted that the virus is extremely toxic, it is able to penetrate not only through respiratory apparatus but also through the eyes. Chernovtsy scientists recommend in any case use masks and even wear protective spectacles. An important condition to prevent deterioration of the situation is also the observance of quarantine regime. 06:19 p.m. Ministry of Health does not consider it is necessary to publish data on the number of confirmed cases of influenza pandemic in the laboratory. "Ukraine is in the A/N1N1 influenza pandemic, and now it does not matter how many of these cases will be detected, we should treat everybody equally," - said Deputy Minister of Health Vasyl Lazoryshynets at a briefing on Friday. Vasyl Lazoryshynets also reminded that in Ukraine since the beginning of the epidemic 1,25 mn people became ill with pandemic influenza, influenza and acute respiratory diseases, including 61,000 people - over the past day, which is by 8,500 less than the previous day. 65,615 people are treated in hospital, including 392 - in the reanimation, 60 have artificial pulmonary ventilation. Since the beginning of the epidemic in Ukraine 239 people died, including 26 people during the last day, most of them are in the Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Lviv and Ternopil Regions. He also said that according to the laboratory data, 14 people died of pandemic influenza, Interfax-Ukraine reports. 06:25 p.m. To date, swine flu in Ukraine is dominant, but not the only strain, said the head of mission of the World Health Organization in Ukraine Yukka Pukkila. Yukka Pukkila said that the strain of pandemic virus is detected in 22 cases of 34 samples sent to the control laboratory, which collaborates with WHO in London. At the same time, Yukka Pukkila stressed that, besides Californian flu in Ukraine there is a large number of varieties of acute respiratory viral diseases and many other viruses that infect the respiratory system, reports Liga. The genocide is now on being fast tracked, as promised by the murderous cabal controlling the world: see http://tcrnews2.com/Agenda21.html. Thank to listeners Verne & Kenneth for this important info... Also if you missed my show yesterday with Elizabeth Wallace, grandmother of Christian (who was murdered by his pediatrician with 6 vacs when he was already sick), you can hear the archive, for free and without commercials, at http://thelightofdayradioshow.com/ar...rcialFree.html (scroll down to 11/14/09 show). VERY IMPORTANT...especially for anyone you know who still beLIEves that vaccines promote health. Thank you to Sheldon for these archives... Lastly, after many people have asked me why I did not have a paypal button on my site for people to make donations, I have put one up (to left of the "baby with a needles" picture), in case any of you want to support my work. Remember, folks, WE can stop the genocide...do not be afraid! We are reaching critical mass, if we have not already done so... Dr C

Brio | 11-17-2009 09:55 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Maybe i'm dense, but i don't get the freakin out about the Ukraine's viral pneumonia. 1.25 million sick and 239 dead is a mortality rate of 0.0002.

PatColo | 11-18-2009 01:11 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # 91% of all swine flu jab side effects due to Pandemrix, reveals FOI request # 300 million toxic swine flu jabs destined for developing countries # WHO to keep world on pandemic level 6 emergency for another year: new pandemic by 2015 says WHO-linked flu expert # WHO says swine flu has not mutated in the Ukraine: No killer virus # Two women lose babies after swine flu jab in Portugal # Ireland government has ordered too many swine flu jabs, reports Irish independent # Leading doctor tells Greek TV swine flu jab not tested # Resurrected (1918) Pandemic Influenza Viruses # Fall of the Republic - the Alex Jones film # Open Letter to all Corporate Media Journalists - from Sweden # Could WHO announce the "return" of the Spanish Flu any day? # Blogs in the Ukraine shut down as martial law under WHO implemented # GREEK DOCTORS AND NURSES SHUN SWINE FLU JAB # Where are all the sick? asks Norwegian news paper # Child dies one week after getting the flu shot - cause of death claimed to be "swine flu"! @ TheFluCase.com

PatColo | 11-19-2009 12:51 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # 200,000 people in France have taken the swine flu jab as government ups tempo # Austria's mainstream news propaganda for Big Pharma: swine flu jab plot �hair-raising nonsense� # French court rules that health care workers can be requistioned for swine flu jab campaign # Testen Panenza swine flu jab approved for use in France # 100 schools closed in France as mild swine flu hyped into lethal pandemic # Man falls ill with bird flu in Egypt # Major Victory with Swine Flu Scandal, reports Dr Mercola # Ontario accelerates mass vaccination programme with untested swine flu jab # At least 13 people in Denmark suffer swine flu jabs in six days # Canadian authorities admit "higher than average" anaphylactic reactions to swine flu jab # "No clinical experience" with Celvapan swine flu jab, admits Baxter # Irish schoolchildren to get untested swine flu jab from next week: parents must sign consent forms # At least 91 "undesirable" side effects of Pandemrix in France # More unusual aircraft activity over Poland # Third case of woman losing baby after Pandemrix jab in Portugal # Unusual aircraft activity reported in Poland and the UK # Low flying planes reported in the UK and Poland tonight # Le Monde carries report saying limiting "new births" solution to climate change, no mention of renewable energy as solution # Has WHO told the truth about the swine flu virus? # US officials defend swine flu vaccination plan: "confusing and over-optimistic" # Doctors say most Britons reject swine flu vaccine, reports Reuters # Ukraine, WHO and the Geopolitics of the swine flu, by William Engdahl # PNEUMONIC PLAGUE REPORTED IN EASTERN POLAND @ TheFluCase.com

DMac00 | 11-19-2009 01:25 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Dr. Roby Mitchell, M.D. (www.drfitt.com) issues a retraction to nurses he originally advised to get the H1N1 flu vaccination. After reading the insert of the vaccine, he retracted his advice. This video exposes what is actually IN the vaccine our government is so eager to inject into our population. Medical Doctor Retracts H1N1 Vaccine Advice After Reading Insert!
Medical Doctor Retracts H1N1 Vaccine Advice After Reading Insert!

PatColo | 11-20-2009 12:23 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # 100,000 swine flu jabs pulled in Canada after bad reactions # Canadian woman says swine flu jab caused her health problems # German doctor accuses health ministry of "massive lies" concerning adjuvant squalene # Dramatic drop in Austrians taking the swine flu jab: about 0.4% show up in Salzburg in second week # WHO denies vaccines are causing deaths: dismisses "conspiracy theories" as "artificial worries" # No mass deaths from vaccines in the Ukraine: "alarmist" misinformation # Michael Leitner calls me "mentally ill" for saying there is evidence nano chips will be in the swine flu syringes # Anzeige gegen Michael Leitner # NO INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION OF VACCINE DEATHS IN THE UKRAINE # Belgian Bilderberg agent named first EU President # Health children under five to get untested swine flu jab in the UK # My boy's agonising death after virus vaccination # Foreign particles observed in Pandemrix vaccine in Germany, sent to lab for tests # Unconfirmed reports of large numbers of deaths from the vaccine in the Ukraine # EndGame @ TheFluCase.com

PatColo | 11-22-2009 07:46 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread # WHY HAVE 170,000 DOSES OF SWINE FLU VACCINE BEEN WITHDRAWN IN CANADA? Michel Chossudovsky reports on the killer vaccine # Swedish professor: "Is there a hidden and secret limitation of the freedom of speech regarding damages from the flu vaccine?" # Two men in Denmark dies after getting the "swine flu" vaccine. # Hacked emails show scientists manipulating statistics for global warming myth-making # Is the US government about to lift the ban on adjuvants? # EMEA unexpectedly announces one dose "sufficient" # WHO talks up alleged "fatal cases" of Norway's mutated virus in press briefing # Norway's police crack down on "alternative medicine" as scare mongering over "new mutated" virus grows # Is BILD fear mongering with reports of mutated killer virus in Norway? # Less than 4% of people in Hamburg have taken swine flu jab since October 26th # Swiss doctors and nurses shun swine flu jab in spite of pressure # Vaccine centre closes in Switzerland already: no demand # 90% of Germans say "No" to compulsory swine flu jabs, according to BILD poll # School kids in Montreal to be bused to swine flu vaccine centres from Wednesday # Nine regions in the Ukraine under quarantine, confirms Belgian Foreign Ministry # BULGARIA DECLARES SWINE FLU PANDEMIC AT AN END # Six transported to hospital after getting swine flu vaccine # WHO maintains swine flu rampant while Polish Parliament told tiny number of cases # New EU president announces plans for world "rule" by tiny elite # BIll to audit the Federal Reserve and find out where trillions of dollars have disappeared jumps key hurdle, reports Prison Planet # Evidence of massive fraud on the gold market emerges, reports Jim Willie # DISCLAIMER: FAKE PERSON ON XING NETWORK CLAIMING TO BE ME # West Virginia Judge rules kids must take swine flu jab at school: doesn't matter what parents want # Stories of mutated killer virus in Norway: fact or fear mongering? # Polish Health Minister says only 293 out of 107,250 flu cases were swine flu; three deaths now reported # Low uptake for swine flu jab in the UK, Jersey, worries officials # New mutated H1N1 virus in Norway and Sweden. @ TheFluCase.com

MNeagle | 11-29-2009 11:10 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Saudi official: 5 dead from swine flu at hajj MINA, Saudi Arabia (AP) - Five people died from swine flu during the hajj, Saudi Arabia said Sunday, a relatively small number considering the event is the largest annual gathering in the world and is seen as an ideal incubator for the virus. But some experts warned the true extent of the virus will not be known until pilgrims return to their home countries around the world. Speaking on the final day of the Islamic pilgrimage, Abdullah al-Rabeeah said authorities recorded 73 cases—including the five deaths—of H1N1, commonly known as swine flu. He said only 10 percent of the some 2.5 million pilgrims were vaccinated against the virus. "Our safety precautions have secured a very successful and safe hajj for pilgrims from around the world with no infectious disease outbreaks," al-Rabeeah said. Saudi officials, along with American and international health experts, worked to curb any outbreak during the hajj. Health officials circulated among the sprawling tent camp at Mina where the pilgrims lived and gave the faithful cheek swabs for testing later. They also placed hand sanitizer dispensers on walls in the camps, near public bathrooms and at ritual sites, while pilgrims arriving at Saudi airports were scanned using a thermal camera and offered a free vaccine. But authorities also are using the pilgrimage as a test case to build a database, watch for mutations and look for lessons on controlling the flu at other large gatherings like the 2010 soccer World Cup in South Africa. Despite the relatively minor impact of the virus during the hajj, some experts warn there could be cases reported among pilgrims when they return home. Al-Rabeeah brushed aside such concerns Sunday, saying some pilgrims have been in the country for almost a month, far longer than the weeklong incubation period. "They've had enough time to show symptoms of swine flu, and that hasn't happened," he said. But he also stressed Saudi authorities will continue to monitor pilgrims until they leave the country, and urged other countries monitor the pilgrims upon their return home. On Sunday, Muslim pilgrims performed the hajj's final ritual at the cube-shaped Kaaba—Islam's holiest shrine. After three days of throwing stones at walls in the desert valley of Mina in a symbolic rejection of Satan's temptation, millions of pilgrims crammed into buses and trucks for the short trip back to Mecca to circle the Kaaba, marking the traditional end of the hajj. Many of the men making the pilgrimage had shed their traditional white robes in favor of Western clothing. Many had shaved heads, done on the first day of stoning as a symbol of renewal. The Muslims believe that they are cleared of all sins if they perform a sincere pilgrimage. A total of 2.5 million pilgrims attended the hajj this year, the governor of the Mecca region, Prince Khaled Al-Faisal, told a news conference, according to the state-run SPA news agency. Saudi officials earlier had said they expected this year's attendance to be higher than last year's 3 million. But for days, there have been reports that real attendance was lower because of swine flu fears, and Saudi Arabia had recommended that the elderly and very young not come because they are more vulnerable to the virus. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...cle=1&catnum=0

Canadian-guerilla | 12-03-2009 06:32 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Are you ready for the dog and cat flu? Tuesday, December 1, 2009 Rapidly mutating influenza viruses threaten family pets Just in case you weren't panicking enough over the swine flu, it turns out that the virus that causes it, H1N1, can make dogs, cats and ferrets sick, too. H1N1 got its nickname, the swine flu, due to its origin in pigs, but it's really a genetic mashup of human, swine and bird viruses. Because it can cause serious illness and even death in susceptible humans, particularly infants and pregnant women, veterinarians greeted the recent news that it could affect family pets with alarm. The first cases in pets were reported in ferrets, which are notoriously prone to influenza viruses. But when the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) reported last month that a sick cat in Iowa had the disease, epidemiologists and virologists took notice. It was the first time a cat had become ill from an influenza virus. Since then, two more sick cats, one of whom died, tested positive for H1N1, and Chinese officials announced Saturday that they had isolated the virus in two sick dogs. Dr. Tony Johnson, a clinical assistant professor at the Purdue University School of Veterinary Medicine, said that it doesn't look like our pets are a risk to us. In fact, we're a risk to them -- every cat that's been diagnosed with H1N1 lived with a human who had a respiratory illness shortly before the cat became sick. "So far there is no evidence that this virus can be passed from cats to humans," Johnson said. "Sometimes a virus can make a host sick, but not reproduce and become infectious in that host." That appears to be the case with the H1N1-positive dogs in China as well. The Chinese Ministry of Agriculture reported that the virus found in the dogs, whose breeds and ages were not given, was 99 percent identical to the human swine flu, suggesting that they contracted it from people. "Only when the virus mutates within dogs will it be a new threat to humans," Feng Zijian of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention told China Daily. more . . . http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...scol120109.DTL

ColdWater | 12-03-2009 08:33 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.examiner.com/x-29228-LA-Healt.... Quote:
The number of cases of the swine flu virus that have resisted treatment with Tamiflu have increased sharply in recent weeks, according to a December 2 report from the WHO. This report states that the number of Tamiflu-resistant cases have nearly doubled, from 57 to 96 reported cases, in just two weeks. Approximately one-third of these cases have occurred in immunocompromised individuals.
http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/so...l/article.html Quote:
Two more patients catch drug-resistant swine flu Thursday, December 03, 2009, 08:53 TWO more patients have caught a Tamiflu-resistant strain of swine flu at Wales's biggest hospital, the Health Minister revealed today. Edwina Hart said eight patients had been diagnosed on a unit for people with severe underlying health conditions at the University Hospital of Wales (UHW), Cardiff. Three of them appear to have been infected in hospital, but there was no evidence the strain had spread outside the unit. TWO more patients have caught a Tamiflu-resistant strain of swine flu at Wales's biggest hospital, the Health Minister revealed today.

Malus | 12-03-2009 08:12 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread How quickly the H1N1 is becoming resistant to Tamiflu. Sounds like Monsanto's got they're finger in it somewhere. Better call them up for some of that "Roundup Ready" vaccine.

Tecumseh | 12-05-2009 10:53 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread My whole family is down with what I suspect is H1N1 right now. Oddly enough I am the only one who doesn't have it (yet). The kids have high fevers, coughs, lethargic. My son had some diaharea (sp?) a couple days ago. My wife complains of achiness. My wife got the regular vaccine, kids had both the H1N1 flu and regular flu vaccine (but have not had the H1N1 booster yet). I'm the only one who chose not to get vaccinated. I had the kids all day today and took a lot of coughs right in the face so I suppose I am doomed to get it but we'll see. This is all speculative - but their symptoms sure seem to match. Boy Nebraska's offense is pathetic but that Ndamukong Suh is a beast.

Drumblebum | 12-06-2009 12:57 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Over the last couple of days I have had... something... :dontknow: Started out as a shortness of breath, tightness in the chest leading to a mild cough with that dizzy feeling that sometimes accompanies a fever... Slight earache with mild vertigo. After a day I developed light chills and a definite fever, but I never used a thermometer so I don't know how high it was. It passed rather quickly after a small dose of ibuprofen. The cough stayed around for a little while but it was never severe enough to really bother me. Still have a little chest thing after 3 days but it's really nothing. I certainly had something, but I've never been sick and left wondering "what the hell was that?" At times I was not sure if what I was feeling could have even really been called illness... Is this what massive amounts of Vitamin D will do for one's immune system? I'll admit if I don't get the swine flu I'll feel a little left out, what with it being so infamous and all...:biggrin: Could I have had swine flu and had it bounce right off me? I've been supplementing Vitamin D3 for a few years now, and have been "sick" maybe twice in 4 years - both times with only a short term fever that broke within a couple of hours, with only light secondary symptoms (usually respiratory). Dang... getting sick ain't like it used to be... Go cholecalciferol!!!

Tecumseh | 12-06-2009 10:48 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Again this is far from scientific, but I have been taking Vitamin D3 for about 2 months (since Mamboni's post about it). I increased the amount to 3,600 IU daily in two doses when my family got sick (basically doubled what I was taking) and so far am holding up fine.

ColdWater | 12-06-2009 08:14 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Speedy recovery to your family Tecumseh. .................................................. .................................................. I wonder how many people actually have swine flu vs. common cold, stomach virus, or sinus infections. I know when I've had the flu a few times in the past (been about six years) I know it. Horrible back aches, bed ridden, and generally out of it for 3-4 days (I've always been fit). A common cold dosen't come close. I think a majority of the reported cases aren't swine flu. I think when a new virus (avian origin) like this hits your body it's going to be pretty bad. Maybe hospital visits and personal reports of swine flu aren't indicative of the actual number of cases. Hopefully not and hopefully this strain dosen't mutate rapidly and cause multiple infections.

Tecumseh | 12-06-2009 10:53 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread I am only speculating on what they have - could very well be common cold but the kids have had high fevers for three days now (responding well to children's motrin). Oddly enough I don't think that I have ever had the flu. I took the vaccine one time about 15 years ago and got flu-like symptoms (I swear I had it but they say impossible). I pick up colds at the drop of a hat but don't think I have ever had the flu.

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Canadian-guerilla | 12-08-2009 06:13 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Bird, Swine Flu Just a Warm-Up; Deadlier Pandemic May Be Next Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Alan Sipress needed more than a pen and paper to report on bird flu. To interview the mother of two victims in Java, he showed up wearing a white hooded jumpsuit with goggles, a respirator and rubber gloves that made it hard to take notes. Bird flu, before it was pushed out of the news by swine flu, made headlines earlier this decade as the potential killer of tens of millions of people worldwide. That may seem like a false alarm. But avian flu hasn�t gone away, and in �The Fatal Strain: On the Trail of Avian Flu and the Coming Pandemic,� Sipress, a Washington Post editor, shows why it or another flu strain may break out at any time as a mass exterminator. A thorough reporter who knows how to tell a story, Sipress digs deep into influenza and the world�s capacity -- or lack of same -- to cope with it. He shows that governments and people are often reluctant to acknowledge the presence of infections, that flu may foil containment efforts, and that nations are short on vaccines, hospitals and everything else needed to combat flu. His message amounts to that of a horror movie: �Be afraid. Be very afraid.� The so-called Spanish flu of 1918 killed an estimated 50 million people -- including 675,000 Americans, more than the U.S. death toll in all the wars of the 20th century, according to the book. �Until recently, Spanish flu was considered the worst-case scenario,� Sipress writes. �Bird flu has made the experts reconsider.� 444 Cases The current wave of bird flu in humans began in 2003, according to the World Health Organization, and 15 countries have recorded a total of 444 laboratory-confirmed cases. Indonesia and Vietnam have been hit hardest. (The U.S. hasn�t had any cases.) There have been 262 deaths recorded as the virus killed more than half its known victims, an enormously high fatality rate. Most of the victims caught it from contact with birds or their droppings rather than from other people. What�s more frightening, Sipress writes, is the possibility that the flu strain, called H5N1, will mutate into a form that is more easily transmissible between humans, which could cause untold numbers of deaths. Flu viruses are highly prone to mutation. In addition to mutating on their own, the strains can mix with one another in a process called reassortment, creating microbes that are new and potentially even more deadly. The world has just been lucky that another flu with the virulence of the 1918 outbreak hasn�t emerged. �A few genetic tweaks and millions could perish,� Sipress writes. That happens when a flu virus with a high mortality rate spreads easily among people but without killing so rapidly that victims die before passing along the virus. Economic Fears For fear of hurting their economies by scaring off tourists or forcing the slaughter of birds, Asian countries were often slow to acknowledge bird-flu threats, Sipress writes. Ordinary citizens can be oblivious to the threat and engage in what may be high-risk behavior, such as exposing themselves to infected birds at cockfighting matches, including one that Sipress witnessed in Thailand. The witch doctors still used by many Asians are powerless to stop flu, Sipress writes, and the most advanced medical systems in the world may not be much better. A powerful pandemic would overwhelm hospitals and drug supplies, and outstrip the world�s capacity to make vaccine. �Though governments have recently taken steps to gird the world for a pandemic, too little has been done,� Sipress concludes. The book arrives just as swine flu, or H1N1, is making news. As of October, swine flu may have killed as many as 6,000 people in the U.S., according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The case fatality rate for swine flu is tiny next to the rate for bird flu in Asia, but far more people catch H1N1 in the first place and human-to-human transmission is routine. As there is only the briefest mention of this outbreak -- officially a pandemic -- in �The Deadly Strain,� the author�s warning about �the coming pandemic� seems oddly out of date. On reflection, it is no less valid. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aIPrpfMix544

Tecumseh | 12-14-2009 08:36 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread So much for the vitamin D. I did finally succumb to whatever my family has. It hasn't been horrible - the worst part is the sore throat and sore chest. I didn't get high fever or much in the way of aches (a little achiness in my neck). Persistent cough and sore throat and chest. Oddly enough it has not affected my strength or stamina - I usually do my last set of bench press to failure which is normally between 8 and 10 reps. I put up 12 fairly easily yesterday - part of me wonder's if the cold medicine helped? The family is much better but all of them except my daughter have a lingering cough. Can't say for sure it is H1N1 but I still suspect that is what it is since it is prevelant here in NE Ohio. Fever is surprisingly high (101.6) since I don't really feel that bad. The kids were worse - between 102 and 103 but responded well to children's motrin. I suppose that is still in the range of common cold. Second update: I'm pretty sure this was H1N1 - last night I actually felt pretty crappy - the cough has affected my sleep the last few days. Last night fever was 102 and also had an ear ache. I went to bed early and woke up with normal temperature and feeling better but still have a stubborn cough with a sore chest and throat. My son complained about "water in his ear" last week a few times which was the same thing I felt yesterday. You don't really want to get this - I doubt it is any more lethal than regular flu but its worse than a cold.

Canadian-guerilla | 12-15-2009 09:51 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread FWIW Overlooked 150 Year Old Household Cleaner a Remedy for Swine Flu? December 15 2009 In today�s modern world of medicine the FDA just will not let companies that sell products make medical claims about them unless they have been tested at great expense, and approved as a drug. But this was not always the case. In a 1924 booklet published by the Arm & Hammer Soda Company, the company starts off saying, �The proven value of Arm & Hammer Bicarbonate of Soda as a therapeutic agent is further evinced by the following evidence of a prominent physician named Dr. Volney S. Cheney, in a letter to the Church & Dwight Company: �In 1918 and 1919 while fighting the �Flu� with the U. S. Public Health Service it was brought to my attention that rarely any one who had been thoroughly alkalinized with bicarbonate of soda contracted the disease, and those who did contract it, if alkalinized early, would invariably have mild attacks.� Recommended dosages from the Arm and Hammer Company for colds and influenza back in 1925 were: * During the first day take six doses of half teaspoonful of Bicarbonate of Soda in glass of cool water, at about two hour intervals * During the second day take four doses of half teaspoonful of Bicarbonate of Soda in glass of cool water, at the same intervals * During the third day take two doses of half teaspoonful of Bicarbonate of Soda in glass of cool water morning and evening, and thereafter half teaspoonful in glass of cool water each morning until cold is cured Dr. Mercola's Comments: Baking soda (also known as sodium bicarbonate), popularized by Arm & Hammer some 155 years ago, is derived from a natural occurring mineral, and is one of the safest and most versatile substances around. In fact, if you search for �baking soda� on my site, you�ll find a number of articles detailing its potential uses, including using it as a: * Household cleaner * Sunburn remedy * Alternative to toxic antiperspirants * Sports performance enhancer Few people realize, however, that baking soda also has potent medicinal properties. Taken internally, it helps maintain the pH balance in your bloodstream. This is likely the basic premise behind its recommended uses against both colds and influenza symptoms, and even cancer. Baking Soda as an All-Natural Cold Remedy In their booklet �Arm & Hammer Baking Soda Medical Uses,� published in 1924, Dr. Volney S. Cheney recounts his clinical successes with sodium bicarbonate in treating cold and flu: �In 1918 and 1919 while fighting the �flu� with the U. S. Public Health Service it was brought to my attention that rarely anyone who had been thoroughly alkalinized with bicarbonate of soda contracted the disease, and those who did contract it, if alkalinized early, would invariably have mild attacks. I have since that time treated all cases of �cold,� influenza and LaGripe by first giving generous doses of bicarbonate of soda, and in many, many instances within 36 hours the symptoms would have entirely abated. Further, within my own household, before Woman�s Clubs and Parent-Teachers� Associations, I have advocated the use of bicarbonate of soda as a preventive for �colds,� with the result that now many reports are coming in stating that those who took �soda� were not affected, while nearly everyone around them had the �flu.� According to the Materia Medica by Walter Bastedo, sodium bicarbonate taken internally can soothe your mucous membranes and dissolve thick mucus. It�s worth noting that I have personally never tried this cold remedy, but I wouldn�t be surprised if it worked, as maintaining proper acid-alkalinity balance in your body will have a beneficial impact on your natural immune system function. If any of you have experience using baking soda as a cold remedy, I�d love to hear about it. The administration is easy enough, and is harmless even if you should not experience relief from your cold symptoms. Simply dissolve the recommended amount of baking soda in a glass of cold water and drink it. Recommended dosages from the Arm & Hammer Company for colds and influenza back in 1925 were: * Day 1 -- Take six doses of � teaspoon of baking soda in glass of cool water, at about two hour intervals * Day 2 -- Take four doses of � teaspoon of baking soda in glass of cool water, at the same intervals * Day 3 -- Take two doses of � teaspoon of baking soda in glass of cool water morning and evening, and thereafter � teaspoon in glass of cool water each morning until cold symptoms are gone Further dosing recommendations and instructions for taking sodium bicarbonate can be found in Mark Sircus� book Sodium Bicarbonate � Rich Mans Poor Mans Cancer Treatment, which is also available in Kindle edition. According to Arm & Hammer�s dosing instructions, do not exceed seven doses of � teaspoon per day, or three doses of � teaspoon daily if you�re over the age of 60. In addition, do not use the maximum dosage for more than two weeks. The Potent Healing Power of Baking Soda Dr. Tullio Simonici and Mark Sircus, Ac, OMD both advocate using baking soda for even the most serious of diseases � cancer! Unfortunately, despite all the evidence showing that baking soda indeed has enormous potential as an effective and non-toxic cancer treatment, conventional medicine is refusing to take notice, as baking soda will never be a huge profit center for any drug company. Even worse, the industry tries to discredit or downright destroy those who dare bring inexpensive treatment options like baking soda to the forefront. Make no mistake about it, cancer treatment is big business, and for all the promises to find a cure, there seems to be an unwritten law somewhere stating it will only be studied and accepted if there�s big profits to be had. Dr. Simoncini, who is an oncologist (cancer specialist), was ousted from the medical community when he refused to use conventional cancer treatment methods and elected instead to administer sodium bicarbonate. This despite the fact that he�s been able to show that 99 percent of breast- and bladder cancer can heal in just six days, entirely without the use of surgery, chemo or radiation, using just a local infiltration device (such as a catheter) to deliver the sodium bicarbonate directly to the infected site in your breast tissue or bladder! You can watch actual before and after footage of the treatment working in this video. In his book Winning the War on Cancer, Dr. Sircus writes: �Sodium bicarbonate is the time honored method to 'speed up' the return of the body�s bicarbonate levels to normal. Bicarbonate is inorganic, very alkaline and like other mineral type substances, supports an extensive list of biological functions. Sodium bicarbonate happens to be one of our most useful medicines because bicarbonate physiology is fundamental to life and health.� Many chemotherapy treatments actually include sodium bicarbonate to help protect the patient�s kidneys, heart and nervous system. It�s been said that administering chemotherapy without bicarbonate could possibly kill you on the spot. Could it be that while mixing chemo poisons with baking soda, any improvements seen are the result of the baking soda, and not the toxic poisons? Dr. Sircus believes that may be the case. �There are no studies separating the effects of bicarbonate from the toxic chemotherapy agents, nor will there ever be,� he says. Final Thoughts If you keep an open mind, you will quickly learn that there are numerous ways to support your body in healing that have nothing to do with toxic drugs, vaccines, or surgery, even when it comes to a serious condition like cancer. For my Top 12 all-natural cancer prevention strategies, please review my previous article, Winning the War on Cancer. As for preventive measures against cold and flu, please read through the three articles listed below. They�re all chockfull of helpful tips and guidelines to make cold and flu symptoms a thing of the past. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...Years-Ago.aspx

Drumblebum | 12-15-2009 02:04 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Tecumseh (Post 2075923) So much for the vitamin D. I did finally succumb to whatever my family has. It hasn't been horrible - the worst part is the sore throat and sore chest. I didn't get high fever or much in the way of aches (a little achiness in my neck). Persistent cough and sore throat and chest. Oddly enough it has not affected my strength or stamina - I usually do my last set of bench press to failure which is normally between 8 and 10 reps. I put up 12 fairly easily yesterday - part of me wonder's if the cold medicine helped? The family is much better but all of them except my daughter have a lingering cough. Can't say for sure it is H1N1 but I still suspect that is what it is since it is prevelant here in NE Ohio. Fever is surprisingly high (101.6) since I don't really feel that bad. The kids were worse - between 102 and 103 but responded well to children's motrin. I suppose that is still in the range of common cold.
Sounds like my run in... credit the Vitamin D with the fact your were not much worse. Vitamin D doesn't create immunity, but bolsters the immune system so the virus can be neutralized more easily. You'll get sick (sometimes), but the symptoms will be much less severe.

Malus | 12-15-2009 05:52 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadian-guerilla (Post 2076679) FWIW Overlooked 150 Year Old Household Cleaner a Remedy for Swine Flu? December 15 2009 In today�s modern world of medicine the FDA just will not let companies that sell products make medical claims about them unless they have been tested at great expense, and approved as a drug. But this was not always the case. In a 1924 booklet published by the Arm & Hammer Soda Company, the company starts off saying, �The proven value of Arm & Hammer Bicarbonate of Soda as a therapeutic agent is further evinced by the following evidence of a prominent physician named Dr. Volney S. Cheney, in a letter to the Church & Dwight Company: �In 1918 and 1919 while fighting the �Flu� with the U. S. Public Health Service it was brought to my attention that rarely any one who had been thoroughly alkalinized with bicarbonate of soda contracted the disease, and those who did contract it, if alkalinized early, would invariably have mild attacks.� Recommended dosages from the Arm and Hammer Company for colds and influenza back in 1925 were: * During the first day take six doses of half teaspoonful of Bicarbonate of Soda in glass of cool water, at about two hour intervals * During the second day take four doses of half teaspoonful of Bicarbonate of Soda in glass of cool water, at the same intervals * During the third day take two doses of half teaspoonful of Bicarbonate of Soda in glass of cool water morning and evening, and thereafter half teaspoonful in glass of cool water each morning until cold is cured Dr. Mercola's Comments: Baking soda (also known as sodium bicarbonate), popularized by Arm & Hammer some 155 years ago, is derived from a natural occurring mineral, and is one of the safest and most versatile substances around. In fact, if you search for �baking soda� on my site, you�ll find a number of articles detailing its potential uses, including using it as a: * Household cleaner * Sunburn remedy * Alternative to toxic antiperspirants * Sports performance enhancer Few people realize, however, that baking soda also has potent medicinal properties. Taken internally, it helps maintain the pH balance in your bloodstream. This is likely the basic premise behind its recommended uses against both colds and influenza symptoms, and even cancer. Baking Soda as an All-Natural Cold Remedy In their booklet �Arm & Hammer Baking Soda Medical Uses,� published in 1924, Dr. Volney S. Cheney recounts his clinical successes with sodium bicarbonate in treating cold and flu: �In 1918 and 1919 while fighting the �flu� with the U. S. Public Health Service it was brought to my attention that rarely anyone who had been thoroughly alkalinized with bicarbonate of soda contracted the disease, and those who did contract it, if alkalinized early, would invariably have mild attacks. I have since that time treated all cases of �cold,� influenza and LaGripe by first giving generous doses of bicarbonate of soda, and in many, many instances within 36 hours the symptoms would have entirely abated. Further, within my own household, before Woman�s Clubs and Parent-Teachers� Associations, I have advocated the use of bicarbonate of soda as a preventive for �colds,� with the result that now many reports are coming in stating that those who took �soda� were not affected, while nearly everyone around them had the �flu.� According to the Materia Medica by Walter Bastedo, sodium bicarbonate taken internally can soothe your mucous membranes and dissolve thick mucus. It�s worth noting that I have personally never tried this cold remedy, but I wouldn�t be surprised if it worked, as maintaining proper acid-alkalinity balance in your body will have a beneficial impact on your natural immune system function. If any of you have experience using baking soda as a cold remedy, I�d love to hear about it. The administration is easy enough, and is harmless even if you should not experience relief from your cold symptoms. Simply dissolve the recommended amount of baking soda in a glass of cold water and drink it. Recommended dosages from the Arm & Hammer Company for colds and influenza back in 1925 were: * Day 1 -- Take six doses of � teaspoon of baking soda in glass of cool water, at about two hour intervals * Day 2 -- Take four doses of � teaspoon of baking soda in glass of cool water, at the same intervals * Day 3 -- Take two doses of � teaspoon of baking soda in glass of cool water morning and evening, and thereafter � teaspoon in glass of cool water each morning until cold symptoms are gone Further dosing recommendations and instructions for taking sodium bicarbonate can be found in Mark Sircus� book Sodium Bicarbonate � Rich Mans Poor Mans Cancer Treatment, which is also available in Kindle edition. According to Arm & Hammer�s dosing instructions, do not exceed seven doses of � teaspoon per day, or three doses of � teaspoon daily if you�re over the age of 60. In addition, do not use the maximum dosage for more than two weeks. The Potent Healing Power of Baking Soda Dr. Tullio Simonici and Mark Sircus, Ac, OMD both advocate using baking soda for even the most serious of diseases � cancer! Unfortunately, despite all the evidence showing that baking soda indeed has enormous potential as an effective and non-toxic cancer treatment, conventional medicine is refusing to take notice, as baking soda will never be a huge profit center for any drug company. Even worse, the industry tries to discredit or downright destroy those who dare bring inexpensive treatment options like baking soda to the forefront. Make no mistake about it, cancer treatment is big business, and for all the promises to find a cure, there seems to be an unwritten law somewhere stating it will only be studied and accepted if there�s big profits to be had. Dr. Simoncini, who is an oncologist (cancer specialist), was ousted from the medical community when he refused to use conventional cancer treatment methods and elected instead to administer sodium bicarbonate. This despite the fact that he�s been able to show that 99 percent of breast- and bladder cancer can heal in just six days, entirely without the use of surgery, chemo or radiation, using just a local infiltration device (such as a catheter) to deliver the sodium bicarbonate directly to the infected site in your breast tissue or bladder! You can watch actual before and after footage of the treatment working in this video. In his book Winning the War on Cancer, Dr. Sircus writes: �Sodium bicarbonate is the time honored method to 'speed up' the return of the body�s bicarbonate levels to normal. Bicarbonate is inorganic, very alkaline and like other mineral type substances, supports an extensive list of biological functions. Sodium bicarbonate happens to be one of our most useful medicines because bicarbonate physiology is fundamental to life and health.� Many chemotherapy treatments actually include sodium bicarbonate to help protect the patient�s kidneys, heart and nervous system. It�s been said that administering chemotherapy without bicarbonate could possibly kill you on the spot. Could it be that while mixing chemo poisons with baking soda, any improvements seen are the result of the baking soda, and not the toxic poisons? Dr. Sircus believes that may be the case. �There are no studies separating the effects of bicarbonate from the toxic chemotherapy agents, nor will there ever be,� he says. Final Thoughts If you keep an open mind, you will quickly learn that there are numerous ways to support your body in healing that have nothing to do with toxic drugs, vaccines, or surgery, even when it comes to a serious condition like cancer. For my Top 12 all-natural cancer prevention strategies, please review my previous article, Winning the War on Cancer. As for preventive measures against cold and flu, please read through the three articles listed below. They�re all chockfull of helpful tips and guidelines to make cold and flu symptoms a thing of the past. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...Years-Ago.aspx
I concur. I have taken daily(very small dosage) of baking soda for quite some time to offset the acidity of our modern lifestyles. I've recently bought an ionizer/alkaline machine(Jupiter Melody) and use that instead(as well as change the type of foods my body uses) and haven't been sick, though I've been surrounded by sick people over the last month or so. I still swish and drink the baking soda if I have a tickle in my throat.

Malus | 12-15-2009 05:55 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Oh, and I also take colloidal silver.

Brio | 12-18-2009 06:39 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Walgreen To Offer H1N1 Vaccine Nationwide By Year End NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Walgreen Co. (WAG) said Wednesday it plans to offer H1N1 vaccine nationwide by the end of the year, as the country's largest drugstore chain by sales works closely with local governments to procure supply and aims to become a major distributor. Walgreen currently has the vaccine at more than 1,500 pharmacies and select Take Care clinics in 27 states and the District of Columbia. To date, Walgreen has administered more than 200,000 H1N1 vaccines. The cost of each vaccine is $18 http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...16-711161.html Guess nobody told them H1N1 is a non event.

Twisted Avatar | 12-18-2009 07:46 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Alot of heads are going to roll during the mid term elections for this non event. They were hyping this thing like bad and to see it sputter out is not going to be a good thing for them. T

Twisted Avatar | 12-18-2009 07:52 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadian-guerilla (Post 2076679) FWIW Overlooked 150 Year Old Household Cleaner a Remedy for Swine Flu? December 15 2009 In today�s modern world of medicine the FDA just will not let companies that sell products make medical claims about them unless they have been tested at great expense, and approved as a drug. But this was not always the case. In a 1924 booklet published by the Arm & Hammer Soda Company, the company starts off saying, �The proven value of Arm & Hammer Bicarbonate of Soda as a therapeutic agent is further evinced by the following evidence of a prominent physician named Dr. Volney S. Cheney, in a letter to the Church & Dwight Company: �In 1918 and 1919 while fighting the �Flu� with the U. S. Public Health Service it was brought to my attention that rarely any one who had been thoroughly alkalinized with bicarbonate of soda contracted the disease, and those who did contract it, if alkalinized early, would invariably have mild attacks.� Recommended dosages from the Arm and Hammer Company for colds and influenza back in 1925 were: * During the first day take six doses of half teaspoonful of Bicarbonate of Soda in glass of cool water, at about two hour intervals * During the second day take four doses of half teaspoonful of Bicarbonate of Soda in glass of cool water, at the same intervals * During the third day take two doses of half teaspoonful of Bicarbonate of Soda in glass of cool water morning and evening, and thereafter half teaspoonful in glass of cool water each morning until cold is cured Dr. Mercola's Comments: Baking soda (also known as sodium bicarbonate), popularized by Arm & Hammer some 155 years ago, is derived from a natural occurring mineral, and is one of the safest and most versatile substances around. In fact, if you search for �baking soda� on my site, you�ll find a number of articles detailing its potential uses, including using it as a: * Household cleaner * Sunburn remedy * Alternative to toxic antiperspirants * Sports performance enhancer Few people realize, however, that baking soda also has potent medicinal properties. Taken internally, it helps maintain the pH balance in your bloodstream. This is likely the basic premise behind its recommended uses against both colds and influenza symptoms, and even cancer. Baking Soda as an All-Natural Cold Remedy In their booklet �Arm & Hammer Baking Soda Medical Uses,� published in 1924, Dr. Volney S. Cheney recounts his clinical successes with sodium bicarbonate in treating cold and flu: �In 1918 and 1919 while fighting the �flu� with the U. S. Public Health Service it was brought to my attention that rarely anyone who had been thoroughly alkalinized with bicarbonate of soda contracted the disease, and those who did contract it, if alkalinized early, would invariably have mild attacks. I have since that time treated all cases of �cold,� influenza and LaGripe by first giving generous doses of bicarbonate of soda, and in many, many instances within 36 hours the symptoms would have entirely abated. Further, within my own household, before Woman�s Clubs and Parent-Teachers� Associations, I have advocated the use of bicarbonate of soda as a preventive for �colds,� with the result that now many reports are coming in stating that those who took �soda� were not affected, while nearly everyone around them had the �flu.� According to the Materia Medica by Walter Bastedo, sodium bicarbonate taken internally can soothe your mucous membranes and dissolve thick mucus. It�s worth noting that I have personally never tried this cold remedy, but I wouldn�t be surprised if it worked, as maintaining proper acid-alkalinity balance in your body will have a beneficial impact on your natural immune system function. If any of you have experience using baking soda as a cold remedy, I�d love to hear about it. The administration is easy enough, and is harmless even if you should not experience relief from your cold symptoms. Simply dissolve the recommended amount of baking soda in a glass of cold water and drink it. Recommended dosages from the Arm & Hammer Company for colds and influenza back in 1925 were: * Day 1 -- Take six doses of � teaspoon of baking soda in glass of cool water, at about two hour intervals * Day 2 -- Take four doses of � teaspoon of baking soda in glass of cool water, at the same intervals * Day 3 -- Take two doses of � teaspoon of baking soda in glass of cool water morning and evening, and thereafter � teaspoon in glass of cool water each morning until cold symptoms are gone Further dosing recommendations and instructions for taking sodium bicarbonate can be found in Mark Sircus� book Sodium Bicarbonate � Rich Mans Poor Mans Cancer Treatment, which is also available in Kindle edition. According to Arm & Hammer�s dosing instructions, do not exceed seven doses of � teaspoon per day, or three doses of � teaspoon daily if you�re over the age of 60. In addition, do not use the maximum dosage for more than two weeks. The Potent Healing Power of Baking Soda Dr. Tullio Simonici and Mark Sircus, Ac, OMD both advocate using baking soda for even the most serious of diseases � cancer! Unfortunately, despite all the evidence showing that baking soda indeed has enormous potential as an effective and non-toxic cancer treatment, conventional medicine is refusing to take notice, as baking soda will never be a huge profit center for any drug company. Even worse, the industry tries to discredit or downright destroy those who dare bring inexpensive treatment options like baking soda to the forefront. Make no mistake about it, cancer treatment is big business, and for all the promises to find a cure, there seems to be an unwritten law somewhere stating it will only be studied and accepted if there�s big profits to be had. Dr. Simoncini, who is an oncologist (cancer specialist), was ousted from the medical community when he refused to use conventional cancer treatment methods and elected instead to administer sodium bicarbonate. This despite the fact that he�s been able to show that 99 percent of breast- and bladder cancer can heal in just six days, entirely without the use of surgery, chemo or radiation, using just a local infiltration device (such as a catheter) to deliver the sodium bicarbonate directly to the infected site in your breast tissue or bladder! You can watch actual before and after footage of the treatment working in this video. In his book Winning the War on Cancer, Dr. Sircus writes: �Sodium bicarbonate is the time honored method to 'speed up' the return of the body�s bicarbonate levels to normal. Bicarbonate is inorganic, very alkaline and like other mineral type substances, supports an extensive list of biological functions. Sodium bicarbonate happens to be one of our most useful medicines because bicarbonate physiology is fundamental to life and health.� Many chemotherapy treatments actually include sodium bicarbonate to help protect the patient�s kidneys, heart and nervous system. It�s been said that administering chemotherapy without bicarbonate could possibly kill you on the spot. Could it be that while mixing chemo poisons with baking soda, any improvements seen are the result of the baking soda, and not the toxic poisons? Dr. Sircus believes that may be the case. �There are no studies separating the effects of bicarbonate from the toxic chemotherapy agents, nor will there ever be,� he says. Final Thoughts If you keep an open mind, you will quickly learn that there are numerous ways to support your body in healing that have nothing to do with toxic drugs, vaccines, or surgery, even when it comes to a serious condition like cancer. For my Top 12 all-natural cancer prevention strategies, please review my previous article, Winning the War on Cancer. As for preventive measures against cold and flu, please read through the three articles listed below. They�re all chockfull of helpful tips and guidelines to make cold and flu symptoms a thing of the past. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...Years-Ago.aspx
You should start a thread CG in the alternatives sub forum I really think this is top quality stuff. T

Brio | 12-18-2009 08:03 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 2082521) Alot of heads are going to roll during the mid term elections for this non event. They were hyping this thing like bad and to see it sputter out is not going to be a good thing for them. T
Blue light special, you can now find H1N1 vaccine in the discount bin next to Nancy Pelosi's autobiography http://thehangar.ipbfree.com/uploads...histaricle.gif

spinalcracker | 12-18-2009 08:07 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread its still an event in some places...........i have visited a friend at the hutch facility for over 8 yrs and this is the first time the joint has been shut down for public visits....... Hutch prison unit sees a flu outbreak Cases spur temporary cancellation of visits and volunteer work at site. By John Green - The Hutchinson News - [email]jgreen@hutchnews. A flu outbreak at the Hutchinson Correctional Facility Central Unit has prompted officials to cancel upcoming weekend visitation and all programs involving outside volunteers. In addition, the prison has canceled all transfers of inmates in and out of the central unit through next week. The restrictions don't affect the medium-custody East Unit or the minimum-custody South Unit, according to a release from the prison. "We have enough sick inmates we're going to modify operations at the facility for the foreseeable future," said Kansas Department of Corrections spokesman Bill Miskell. He did not have any numbers on how many inmates or employees are sick, or when the illnesses began, Miskell said. The illness has not caused any staffing issues, he said. "It's only in this (HCF Central) prison," he said of the widespread nature of the illness. "And it has grown to this point. Obviously we're monitoring it on a daily basis and discussing the options available and necessary." Miskell also couldn't say whether the outbreak involved H1N1 or a seasonal flu. "The inmates have exhibited what has become a term of art in the medical community, 'influenza-like illness.' " he said. "Some have fever, some are exhibiting cold symptoms, some have stomach and nausea kind of symptoms. We don't know specifically what symptoms are exhibited by how many, but we have enough people who are exhibiting them to cause concern." No inmates have required hospitalization, with all being treated on site, Miskell said. Besides regular visitation, the prison canceled employee holiday tours originally scheduled for today. Officials made the schedule changes in compliance with an infectious disease mitigation response plan developed by the Kansas Department of Corrections in recent months, said Hutchinson Warden Sam Cline in a release. "The situation at the facility will be re-evaluated by the middle of next week to determine if continued changes to operations are warranted," the release stated. http://www.hutchnews.com/Localregional/fluoutbreak

thrifty_bob | 01-03-2010 12:41 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread I would avoid it at all costs. My wife went and had my son vaccinated, and so he got sick, and then got us sick, too. Its the worst I've been sick in many years. Its been over 2 weeks now and its finally going away, buy it was such a shame to get sick with it as a result of stupidity like that after being so careful not to go out much and avoid contact with sick people.

Tecumseh | 01-04-2010 09:29 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread That is odd Thrifty Bob - similar to what happened to us. My wife takes the kids for the H1N1 shot. They get sick and get us sick. She insists she was sick first and the kids vaccination didn't work because they didn't have the booster. I am not so sure. I'm not going to fight with her about it but she is still taking them for the booster tomorrow - I think that she is nuts but she won't listen to me. I did tell her we should defer to the pediatrician who I trust but they have already had it - what is the point in getting a booster?

reviver | 01-05-2010 07:50 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Expert Explains the Flu Vaccine Deception and the Swine Flu Hoax Posted by: Dr. Mercola January 05 2010 Dr. Shiv Chopra was a drug company insider, and also worked for what is now Health Canada -- the Canadian equivalent of the FDA. He is uniquely qualified to explain why no flu vaccine has ever worked, and that swine flu and avian flu are nothing more than hoaxes. I met Dr. Chopra while we were both attending the National Vaccine Information Center�s �4th International Conference on Vaccines� in Washington D.C. He was clearly one of the top leading experts there, giving an enormously compelling and effective presentation that got rounds of standing ovations. Dr. Chopra is an insider; he was hired by the drug companies and worked with vaccine development in Europe. He has also worked for the Canadian government, in the equivalent of the FDA. He was a senior scientific advisor for what is now Health Canada for 20 years, working primarily in vaccines and antibiotics. So with respect to vaccines, the understanding of them and the history and the regulatory authorities that are involved with them, there are really very few people in the entire world who are more qualified than Dr. Chopra to comment on the issues, specifically swine flu. And that is why I am so excited to share this interview with all of you. Swine Flu: True Claims or Mere Hoax? Is swine flu really a devastating pandemic that may wipe out large numbers of people? Are you doing yourself disservice by not getting the vaccine? According to Dr. Chopra, no and no way. He states: �No flu vaccine has ever worked. Swine flu, we don�t even know there is such a thing. It�s a misnomer. Avian [bird] flu, these are all made-up things. The whole thing is a hoax. It has been for the last 10 years. First they started with the avian flu, and then swine flu.� For those of you who don�t remember, the bird flu epidemic -- predicted to kill some 2 million Americans -- turned out to be a whole lot of hot air, and not much else. This is why I wrote the book The Great Bird Flu Hoax. Dr. Chopra was really one of the earliest advocates to warn that the bird flu was a hoax, and he explains that nobody really knows to this day what all of the major influenza epidemics of the past really were -- including the 1918 flu epidemic. �How come they never talked about this influenza in India? We never heard of it. I never heard of it. Remember, this swine flu at that time was originally called Spanish flu, and the Spanish called it French flu because the two countries were on the opposite sides of the war. And then eventually they settled on swine flu. Again, nobody knew if that was really swine flu because we didn�t know how to isolate a virus at that time,� Dr. Chopra says. �There were no tissue cultures and the viruses didn�t grow outside living cells. We know a lot of people died; exactly what they died of, it could be swine flu, the virus, or pneumonia. We didn�t have any antibiotics at that time. So complications may have killed them. It�s even possible as some people say it was: with influenza you get fairly high fever, with some flu you get higher fever." The aspirin at the time was a thing to reduce your body temperature. People say too much aspirin -- there were no controls, we didn�t know how aspirin really worked and what damage it did. Some people may have died from internal bleeding, by taking too much aspirin and trying to bring the temperature down,� he continues. How Did Vaccines Come to be Trusted? You may remember the 1976 swine flu epidemic, which also never materialized. Dr. Chopra shares the inside story on how it materialized and why so many people jumped on the vaccine bandwagon: � All of a sudden, a rumor came out: an American marine had died of influenza and it was swine influenza. Nobody compared it to the actual swine influenza � Nobody also revealed that that soldier on that day had run 12 miles. With a fever going, this can happen: he died. This became a reality for America. They said, �There�s going to be a major epidemic, a pandemic. It�s going to kill millions of people around the world. At least we�re going to take care of America.�� So Merck was contracted to produce a swine flu vaccine for every single American. The American population at that time was 250 million, so 250 million doses were taken care of at that time for the United States. We were next door in Canada. I was working on these issues, too, and we had a high-powered meeting. What are we going to do? We approached Merck and Merck said, �We don�t have enough vaccine. We only have for the Americans. We don�t have for you.� So Canada ran around to buy the vaccine at that time. We had a company in Toronto: Canadian company Canada Laboratories, who used to make insulin and so on. They said, �We can�t make it but we can get it for you from Glaxo.� So a contract we proposed for 21 million doses because Canada�s population at that time was 21 million. Now it�s 33. So we prepared a contract. I was sitting there in this meeting and said, �You know, people, let�s really consider: is it necessary?� I said that in 1968, I used to live in England. When that epidemic occurred at that time in England, they were saying they don�t have enough vaccine; it will only be given to senior executives and important people. Because I worked in a pharmaceutical company as a senior executive, I was offered the vaccine. But I didn�t take it. So I left and I said in this meeting in �76 in Canada that I didn�t take the vaccine. The funny thing is, I was sick only once. People who took the vaccine were sick twice: their first from the vaccine, then from the flu because it didn�t protect them.� This whole business of vaccines, for a long time, used to be under the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Chopra explained. �So the government was responsible for doing good to the entire public. Public health was under that area. If the government was doing it, there was no question ever raised that they will do any wrong thing. They�re making vaccines. All over the world, it was the same system. So they were not brought under the regular drug evaluation system,� he says. �This is the way the politics of vaccines work,� he continues. �What I�m saying categorically is that vaccines have never been tested. Vaccines other than smallpox have never been tested for safety or efficacy, as they should have been.� Real Scare from the H1N1 �Pandemic� You may recall over the summer when the World Health Organization raised the swine flu threat level from a 5 to a 6, which meant this is a full-blown pandemic. As Dr. Chopra explains, this decision, along with the news that the virus was �mutating,� may have been completely unfounded. �Who is the Directorate General of the WHO to say that �I�m raising it to pandemic level #6?� Based on what? At the same time, from the same sources, we�re receiving information that we think sooner or later, the virus is going to mutate. We don�t know when but it is going to. How did they know that? How do they come to that conclusion? Then we hear the new virus H1N1 has components: the bird flu, H5N1, or the other way around. When you use these kinds of numbers and technical words, it frightens people because they don�t understand what H or N stands for. They take people�s words for it and the media picks it up and then starts to say, �This is very different. This is entirely different. This has components of the 1918 flu and the bird flu. It also has the swine flu.� And you go around in Mexico and you get H1N1 in the swine right now. So you make six, eight or ten different drugs, different vaccines as many as the companies, and then you say, �Some will be live and they�ll be given in the nose, some will be killed, some will have adjuvants like squalene oils. � And some people are being given nasal vaccine, so that means a live virus. If you�re putting a drop in the nose like you put the drop of polio in the mouth, then those are the portals of entry that obviously mean this is a live virus. If it�s a live virus, then you actually maybe creating a pandemic with whatever you manufactured in the laboratory. If it�s a live virus then that�s what could happen,� he states. One of the Most Massive Cover-Ups in American History? Swine flu is quickly becoming exposed for the massive hoax it really is. For more insider information, be sure to listen to my interview with retired neurosurgeon and researcher Dr. Russell Blaylock and stay tuned to the newsletter for the latest news and updates. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-Flu-Hoax.aspx

Drumblebum | 01-07-2010 10:01 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Propaganda from the DHHS - they think of everything. You Tube
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The full episode... fkng disgusting. How could a child even defend against this? They are basically being told, in no uncertain terms, that if their parents don't allow them to get this fun and exciting vaccine, that: 1. Their parents don't love them, 2. They won't be like their friends, and 3. They will be putting everyone in their community in danger. You Tube
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Canadian-guerilla | 01-08-2010 08:12 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread CAMC Will Fire Employees Who Don't Get Vaccinated Jan 7, 2010 West Virginia's largest hospital plans to fire any employees who haven't been vaccinated against seasonal flu. CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) -- West Virginia's largest hospital plans to fire any employees who haven't been vaccinated against seasonal flu. Charleston Area Medical Center spokesman Dale Witte says workers have until Friday to get the shots. The policy was announced last summer. Hospital officials say mandatory vaccines for workers protect both patients and employees. The hospital allows exceptions for employees with medical reasons for avoiding the shot, such as allergies. Witte wouldn't say how many employees risk being fired. He did say it amounts to "a handful" of the hospital's roughly 6,000 staffers. CAMC is one of a small number of hospitals in the U.S. to require flu vaccines, although required immunizations against other illnesses is common. http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/80892662.html

Canadian-guerilla | 01-12-2010 01:06 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread FURY AT VACCINE SCANDAL Sunday January 10,2010 HUNDREDS of public sector workers who claim their lives have been wrecked by vaccines say the Government has abandoned them. Up to 200 doctors, nurses, firefighters, prison officers, police officers, forensic scientists and binmen say they have developed serious physical and mental health problems after injections essential for their work over the past 10 years. All have given up their jobs and some are now 60 per cent disabled. Last night it emerged they are to miss out on payouts, prompting furore among campaigners. More than 150 MPs have lent their support to demands for a better deal for the victims. Olivia Price, of the Vaccine Victim Support Group, said: �These people have given their lives in the service of looking after others and this is how they�re repaid. They�ve lost their careers and are a burden to their families. It is very degrading.� Frontline health workers, social workers, prison officers and binmen have to be vaccinated against hepatitis B as a condition of their employment. This is to protect them from contracting potentially fatal conditions from infected blood through needle injuries or physical assaults. Although they are not legally forced to have the vaccinations, without them they are not allowed to work. Experts believe the injections caused the health problems, which include chronic fatigue, muscle pain, weakness and cognitive problems, because illnesses developed soon after vaccination. In one case Steve Robinson, a previously fit 43-year-old father of three, was vaccinated six years ago against hepatitis A, B and polio, tetanus and diphtheria as part of his work as a forensic specialist. Two days later he became ill and developed muscle weakness and chronic fatigue. Mr Robinson, from Morpeth, Northumberland, is now 60 per cent disabled, which an industrial injuries tribunal put down to the vaccinations. He has also been diagnosed with macrophagic myofascitis, a disabling condition which may be caused by the aluminum in vaccines. He also suffers from problems that cause him to fall with no warning. He said: �Before I had the vaccinations I was very healthy, a keen mountain biker and enjoyed walking and keeping fit. �Now I have very poor mobility and walk with sticks, I am constantly tired.� In up to 10 of the 200 cases, Government officials have already ruled, on the balance of probabilities, that the vaccines caused the damage. Campaigners say these victims should be entitled to payouts of up to �120,000 through the Government�s Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme, like other people who have suffered side effects, but the hepatitis B vaccine is excluded so they get nothing. Payouts are restricted to the industrial injuries scheme but this is a long and difficult process and, according to campaigners, results in �paltry� sums. So far, fewer than 10 have successfully claimed this money. Ian Stewart, Labour MP for Eccles, has tabled an Early Day Motion on the scandal which has been backed by more than 150 MPs of all political parties. He said: �These casualties are completely innocent. Their lives, and those of their families, have been sadly diminished through no fault of their own. �The difficult truth is that what we have in the UK is not fit for purpose.� A spokesman for the Payment Scheme, said: �Adults who suffer adverse reactions to vaccines given as a requirement of their employment can claim compensation through Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit or private schemes through their terms of employment.� http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...accine-scandal

GoldJag | 01-14-2010 09:12 AM
Delete this thread Not much going on with the swine flu. I told you so. What a waste of space.

Canadian-guerilla | 01-14-2010 01:42 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Two CAMC workers fired after refusing flu vaccine Wednesday January 13, 2010 Charleston Area Medical Center plans to terminate two employees for refusing to take a seasonal flu vaccine. The hospital implemented a new policy over the summer requiring all employees to receive the vaccines, either by injection or nasal mist form. Workers were given until Friday to be vaccinated. "CAMC had hoped that it wouldn't lose anyone by instituting this new policy," hospital spokesman Dale Witte said Tuesday in a written statement. "CAMC requires several vaccinations for employees to work at CAMC, and this is just another of those requirements to work at CAMC." Some employees were allowed exemptions from the policy because of allergies and other conditions, but Witte said he is unsure how many employees received exemptions. All exempted employees had to undergo evaluations to prove they had extenuating medical conditions, he has said. The two employees, whom Witte did not name, will be taken off work schedules immediately. If they receive vaccinations soon, they will be allowed to return to work. Otherwise, the terminations will be permanent, he said. "They will not be scheduled until they are either vaccinated at our clinic or bring in documentation that they were vaccinated," he said. He was not sure which department the two employees worked in, but said he believes they were nurses. "You could say they worked in a clinical role. I'm sure they were on that side of the business," he said. The policy mandated only seasonal flu vaccines. Workers are not required to get the H1N1 shot. CAMC employs more than 6,000 people. http://dailymail.com/News/Kanawha/201001120633

Canadian-guerilla | 01-26-2010 07:21 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Middle school investigates flu shot Monday, January 25, 2010 . SAN YSIDRO� The San Ysidro School District is investigating how a 13-year-old middle school student received the H1N1 flu vaccination last week over her objections and against the will of her parents. Jose Gomez, 39, said he signed a form last November stating his daughter, a student at San Ysidro Middle School, was not to get a shot and reaffirmed that position to two people last week. The school provided vaccinations on Thursday. District Nurse Anita Gillchrest said she investigated the incident and has forwarded a report to Superintendent Manuel Paul, but she said she could not reveal the details. Gomez said San Ysidro Middle School officials insisted he sign a consent form even though he did not want his daughter to receive the vaccination. He said he was instructed to write �refuse� on the form and turn it in, which he did. Nonetheless, his daughter was pulled from class to get the vaccination. She advised the security guard who escorted her to the vaccination area that she was not supposed to get the shot and was told that maybe �her mom changed her mind,� Gomez said. The girl also told the woman providing the vaccines from the county health department that she was not supposed to receive the shot, Gomez said. �According to their safety guidelines, if any child said �No,� they were supposed to contact the parent,� Gomez said. �My daughter said no and they didn�t bother to contact me or my wife.� Gomez said he did not want his daughter to receive the vaccination because he did not know what the solution contained and because his youngest daughter has allergic reactions to vaccinations. �I didn�t want to risk it,� Gomez said. �Everyone gives you a different story about this vaccine and it�s scary.� http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...ates-flu-shot/

ColdWater | 01-27-2010 09:26 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Two children 12 and 14 died in Memphis this week and the flu cases have spiked. http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum/...php?f=5&t=4474 Fatal cases around the world being tested by the WHO have the same D225G marker. The fatal marker the 1918 strain had. Very disturbing here: Quote:
Seven of the 18 patients (39 percent) who have been admitted to Le Bonheur so far this month for likely H1N1 infection have wound up in ICU. Previously, fewer than 14 percent of the flu patients had been needing intensive care.

Canadian-guerilla | 01-30-2010 07:04 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Mass vaccinations planned for Haiti January 31, 2010 Haiti's government and UN agencies on Saturday prepared for a mass vaccination drive as potentially deadly diseases such as diarrhoea sprung up at squalid camps housing desperate quake survivors. The vaccination campaign against measles, tetanus and diphtheria will start next week, World Health Organization spokesman Paul Garwood said, amid heightened efforts to prevent a potential public health calamity. A vast foreign aid effort is struggling to meet survivors' needs more than two weeks after the disaster, which killed around 170,000 people and left one million homeless and short of food, water and medical attention. "Several medical teams report a growing caseload of diarrhoea in the last two to three days," Garwood told reporters in Geneva. "There are also reports of measles and tetanus, including in resettlement camps, which is worrisome due to the high concentration of people," he said, adding that just 58 per cent of Haitian infants were immunised before the quake. He highlighted a "critical" need for surgeons, with an estimated 30 to 100 amputations being carried out every day in some hospitals, while supplies of anaesthetics and antibiotics were also needed. The 7.0-magnitude quake on January 12 decimated Haiti's already meagre health system, creating conditions for disease to thrive in the cramped refugee camps. Only one person in two among the Haitian population of more than nine million people has access to clean drinking water, and only 19 per cent have decent sanitation. In a further blow Port-au-Prince's iconic Iron Market, built in 1889, was ravaged by fire on Friday and left to burn for hours by overstretched firefighters - leaving looters to scramble over rubble mountains that were once streets, carting off metal scraps and wood beams. One travel guide for Hispaniola, the Caribbean island that includes both relatively prosperous Dominican Republic and neighbouring Haiti, describes the red-metalled market as a structure seemingly out of Arabian Nights, with proudly detailed minarets and 19th century train station clock tower. Amid the uphill aid efforts, Ecuadoran President Rafael Correa on Friday was the second foreign leader to visit Haiti since the quake, lending his voice to global calls for more emergency relief and assistance with reconstruction. "This is a tragedy, a humanitarian tragedy. Haiti at this moment represents the pain of victims but also hope," Correa said. He also highlighted what he called the "imperialism" of aid efforts, echoing criticism levelled by other leftist Latin American leaders. "They donate first, but most of it goes back to them," he said at a joint press conference with Haiti's President Rene Preval. Haitians living in sprawling makeshift camps in the ruins of Port-au-Prince and elsewhere complain that the flood of international aid arriving in the country is trickling down too slowly. Many are trying to rebuild their lives, with marketplaces springing up on streets around the capital, although business is tough. But survivors also face rising insecurity, with thousands of criminals on the loose after the main jail collapsed in the quake and reports of rape and violence plaguing the weak and vulnerable. The deputy head of the UN mission in Haiti, Anthony Banbury, said the United Nations did not want huge tent cities later turning into slums where there was poor sanitation, no security and child abuse. The United Nations, along with aid agencies and security forces, must "do things smart, as well as fast, and that's a big challenge for us now", Banbury said. http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6...ed-for-haiti/?

Twisted Avatar | 01-30-2010 08:26 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread If you think alot of people are dead now JUST WAIT. T

ColdWater | 01-31-2010 11:20 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Chapel Hill, N.C. — UNC Hospitals epidemiologist Dr. David Weber said there are signs that another wave of the H1N1 virus might be starting. ...In the past two weeks, five patents were admitted to UNC Hospital with H1N1, Weber said. Of those patients, three required intensive care.
Full story http://www.wral.com/lifestyles/healt...story/6917115/ All 35 participants of the UN seminar in Georgia caught swine flu http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticke...timagenr=61473

thorgrim | 02-01-2010 04:07 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Thanks for continuing to keep this thread updated CG. Lots of good articles here.

Canadian-guerilla | 02-01-2010 09:40 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Babies go into shock after vaccination in Ben Tre Thursday, January 28, 2010 Doctors in the Mekong Delta province of Ben Tre are treating two babies who suffered shock after being given three different vaccines on Monday, the director of a local hospital said. The babies, two and half months and three months old respectively, were hospitalized after being injected with the DPT vaccine – a combination of vaccines against diphtheria, pertussis (whooping cough) and tetanus, the Hepatitis B vaccine, and an oral polio vaccine (OPV), said Ho Trung Tuyen of the Ben Tre Center of Preventive Health. They received inoculation during the province’s vaccination campaign together with about 80 other kids who didn’t show any abnormal reactions, Tuyen added. The vaccines with expiry dates of between October this year and September, 2012 were provided by the national vaccination program, he said, adding that all preservation and inoculation was conducted in accordance with regulations. The center is investigating the cases to report to the Ho Chi Minh City Pasteur Institute and the Ministry of Health, according to Tuyen. Meanwhile, Hoang Viet, director of Nguyen Dinh Chieu General Hospital, said the babies were breathing with machine support, and one of them still remained in critical condition. The condition of the other baby was stable, but it still had high fever, he added. http://www.thanhniennews.com/healthy...8&newsid=54916

Canadian-guerilla | 02-01-2010 10:51 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread H1N1 needle blamed for partial paralysis January 31, 2010 Downstairs in the rehab wing of Markham Stouffville hospital, in a private room with a sunny window, lies Donna Hartlen, a young mother who is now partially paralyzed. The Whitby woman can�t stand without leaning on a walker and her legs are too numb to allow her to walk for more than a few steps. The right side of her face is paralyzed, she can�t properly chew solid food and her right eye is bandaged because she can no longer blink to protect it. Until five weeks ago, she was a perfectly healthy woman spending Christmas with her family in Nova Scotia. And then on Dec. 29 she was rushed to an emergency room in Halifax, suddenly unable to stand on feet. The doctors diagnosed her with Guillain-Barre syndrome, a rare neurological condition characterized by sudden weakness or paralysis. And while no one seems willing to discuss the likely cause, the 39-year-old knows exactly where the fault lies. She blames the H1N1 flu shot she received on Dec. 13 - two weeks before her symptoms suddenly appeared. Of course, there is no way to know for certain. But Hartlen has only grown more convinced since chatting by chance in the hall with the older gentleman from the hospital room next door. Don Gibson has GBS as well, with legs so numb now that he is confined to a wheelchair. It turns out that not only was he also vaccinated against H1N1, but he got the shot just two days before Hartlen, in the very same Markham doctors� office. �It�s way too coincidental,� insists the slight mom, her words slurred because the right side of her face will not move. �It�s either a bad batch or a lot more people are getting this than they are talking about.� Her 80-year-old neighbour is equally convinced that the H1N1 vaccine to blame. �It must have been a bad batch,� Gibson believes. �But nobody is saying anything. I know I signed a piece of paper and there�s no liability but it�s pretty scary.� They are now comrades in arms, an unlikely duo who share a rare illness and a similar vaccination history that no one wants to acknowledge. According to the Public Health Agency, there are about 600-700 new GBS cases a year in Canada, caused usually by food-borne bacteria, respiratory infections or surgery. �The risk of getting GBS after any flu vaccine is about one case for every million doses distributed,� the website says. �The benefit of the vaccine outweighs this theoretical risk.� So far, the agency says they haven�t had any unusual spike in GBS - there�s been 22 cases following the H1N1 vaccination - or .87 per million doses distributed. But Hartlen questions how many GBS patients are actually being reported; she says she was the one who finally called her local public health department because no medical professional seemed interested in the possible connection. �Not a single doctor we�ve talked with will even remotely discuss that it�s the H1N1 shot,� marvels Hartlen. �They almost pretend they don�t hear you. They don�t want to alarm the public and they don�t want you to stir up trouble.� So GBS patients like Hartlen and Gibson are on their own. Right now, Quebec is the only province with a no-fault vaccine injury compensation program in place. �It�s a horror story of how little Ontario will do to help patients that come down with this after the government promotes it so much,� complains her husband, Wayne Burke. They have two little girls at home, just 4 and 2. He works full-time at Telus; she was a self-employed business systems analyst. With no family in Whitby, they flew in her parents from Nova Scotia, but the elderly couple can�t look after the kids indefinitely. Meanwhile, Hartlen has been told it can take months - and up to a year - before she completely regains all movement. So how is the partially-paralyzed mom supposed to take care of two young children until then? �If my kids were 10 and 12 it would be different. But a four and two-year-old need 100% attention and I can�t give it to them,� she worries. So she�s hardly unreasonable in expecting some kind of government support. But after countless phone conversations with every level of bureaucrat, she�s learned there will be no such thing. �They�re the ones who push this vaccine. They promote it every five minutes on TV. So I do what they say and I get GBS and they�re not going to help me? �I need help for my kids - I�m not looking for anything extravagant. I�m not an ambulance chaser. I don�t want to sue anybody. I just want to get my kids looked after while their father is at work.� Instead, there is only a shameful silence. http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2...84591-qmi.html

Canadian-guerilla | 02-01-2010 08:22 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Ukraine H1N1 D225G in North Carolina Severe H1N1 Cases in North Carolina Raise Concerns

Canadian-guerilla | 02-07-2010 07:55 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Young children need second H1N1 vaccine dose February 06, 2010 WEST MICHIGAN � Parents of young children who have received their H1N1 flu shots are being reminded that second, booster shots are needed for the vaccination to be effective. The Michigan Department of Community Health is sending out 176,000 letters telling parents it�s not too late for the second dose. Children under 10 need two vaccinations at least four weeks apart. More than 10,000 children under age 10 in Muskegon County have received at least one H1N1 shot, according to Public Health-Muskegon County. The state estimates that 65 percent of 308,000 children under 10 in Michigan did not receive their second shots. The flu season can last as late as May, and H1N1 is expected to circulate again next flu season, according to the health department. In Muskegon County, free flu shots are available at the health department, 209 E. Apple, 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. Mondays through Fridays. Many other health providers and pharmacies also have vaccine. Visit www.muskegonhealth.net for a list. In Ottawa County, numerous health care providers as well as Meijer and Walgreen pharmacies can provide the vaccine. A list is available at www.miottawa.org/healthcomm. In Newaygo and Oceana counties, vaccines are available for free at District Health Department No. 10 offices, as well as private health providers. Visit www.dhd10.org for more information. http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/i...econd_h1n.html

Malus | 02-07-2010 12:49 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread I find it hard to believe (well, not really), that they're still pushing this agenda. I guess as long as there are mindless automatons moving about, living they're selfish lifestyles, acquiring crap they think they need and ignoring the world around them, there will always be a shot in the arm waiting for them just around the corner. BTW, thanks Canadian-guerilla for you're diligent update to this cause/lie.......

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BellevueBully | 02-07-2010 01:14 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.torontosun.com/news/colum.../12774076.html Toronto........flu shot blamed for paralysis.

Canadian-guerilla | 02-10-2010 02:33 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread New York Bills Would Mandate HPV Vaccines Without Parents' Consent Feb 9, 2010 Two bills in the New York State legislature would, if passed, allow healthcare practitioners to vaccinate children under 18 against HPV without their parent�s consent. The bills would require the vaccinations before children could attend school, leading to the interesting potential scenario of schools vaccinating kids without their parents� consent simply because the child wants to stay in school. Even without the inevitable controversy over whether under-18s should be able to get preventive care from their doctors without their parents hearing the details of their sex lives, the bills read like full-employment acts for Merck (MRK)�s Gardasil and GlaxoSmithKline (GSK)�s Cervarix. Senate bill No. S04779 is: Quote:
�AN ACT to amend the public health law, in relation to providing medical care to minors for sexually transmitted diseases without a parent�s or guardian�s consent.�
It proposes (caps in the original): Quote:
A HEALTH CARE PRACTITIONER MAY PROVIDE HEALTH CARE RELATED TO THE PREVENTION OF A SEXUALLY TRANSMISSIBLE DISEASE, INCLUDING ADMINISTERING VACCINES, TO A PERSON UNDER THE AGE OF EIGHTEEN YEARS WITHOUT THE CONSENT OR KNOWLEDGE OF THE PARENTS OR GUARDIANS OF SUCH PERSON, PROVIDED THAT THE PERSON HAS CAPACITY TO CONSENT TO THE CARE, WITHOUT REGARD TO THE PERSON�S AGE, AND THE PERSON CONSENTS.
Senate bill No. A778 states: Quote:
Every person in parental relation to a child in this state shall have administered to such child an adequate dose or doses of an immunizing agent against poliomyelitis, mumps, measles, diphtheria, rubella, varicella, HUMAN PAPILLOMAVIRUS (HPV), Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), pertussis, tetanus, pneumococcal disease, and hepatitis B, which meets the standards approved by the United States public health service for such biological products, and which is approved by the department under such conditions as may be specified by the public health council.
The language of A778 then goes on to exclude from school any child that has not been properly vaccinated. Shearlings Got Plowed, which spotted the story first, is up in arms about the thing: Quote:
� a pre-emptive foreclosing of a parent�s fundamental privacy and liberty right � that of deciding whether to give an entirely elective vaccine � a vaccine that is meaningless to virgins and abstinent teens � and a vaccine with some real measurable (even if small) risks, to a minor child � [should] be unconstitutional, �
I disagree. No one likes the idea of their kids having sex. But the notion that kids will refrain from sex because they won�t want doctors to tell their parents if they get HPV is ridiculous. Requiring parental consent for a child who wants to protect him or herself from an STD is a good way to render such protection ineffective. Kids have privacy rights too. They should be able to talk with their doctors without their parents if they want to. And finally: Did you notice that the laws call for �children� to be vaccinated � not just girls? Until recently, Gardasil has been targeted at girls only (even though it works in both sexes). http://industry.bnet.com/pharma/1000...rents-consent/

ColdWater | 02-17-2010 10:30 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Doctors Say Flu Cases Increasing Flu Season Hit Peak In October, But Florida Seeing Recent Rise POSTED: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 UPDATED: 6:41 pm EST February 17, 2010 JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- The flu season hit its peak in October around the country. Now, four months later, local doctors said the flu is back. As of a week and a half ago, Florida was seeing only sporadic cases of the flu, but in the past few days the number of cases is going up.
http://www.news4jax.com/health/22591586/detail.html Quote:
H1N1 cases reportedly on the rise Health officials warn that H1N1 influenza cases are back on the rise, following an early winter lull in December. Posted: 3:00 AM Feb 17, 2010 By Johnny Jackson jjackson@henryherald.com Health officials warn that H1N1 influenza cases are back on the rise, following an early winter lull in December. “Georgia has experienced significant influenza activity in most regions of the state since late summer,” said Ravae Graham, spokeswoman for the Georgia Department of Community Health. “We saw a decline in cases, including hospitalizations and deaths, in December. But now we are detecting an increase similar to what we experienced in the fall.”
http://www.mycountypaper.com/clayton.../84539772.html

ColdWater | 02-18-2010 11:26 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread I think this says the next seasonal flu vaccine will contain H1N1 vaccine and the current seasonal flu vaccine may be mixed with H1N1 vaccine. So be aware. Quote:
New seasonal flu vaccine to contain H1N1 strain Stephanie Nebehay Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:10am EST Full story http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSW...100218?rpc=401 GENEVA (Reuters) - The coming year's seasonal flu vaccine in the northern hemisphere should include protection against three strains of flu, including the pandemic H1N1 virus, the World Health Organization recommended on Thursday. The composition of the vaccine, announced at the end of a closed-door four-day meeting of influenza experts that is closely followed by the world's vaccine makers, means governments that have stockpiled doses of H1N1 swine flu vaccine may now use them for part of the seasonal flu vaccine mix.

GoldJag | 02-20-2010 08:14 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread This year seasonal flu vaccine had human H1N1 antigen. Next year they might as well include novel H1N1. Anyway, flu season is officially over and this thread can be closed till next season. Thank you all for coming.

Canadian-guerilla | 02-20-2010 10:51 PM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldJag (Post 2190821) This year seasonal flu vaccine had human H1N1 antigen. Next year they might as well include novel H1N1. Anyway, flu season is officially over and this thread can be closed till next season. Thank you all for coming.
then close your own thread and stay out of this one

Canadian-guerilla | 02-24-2010 01:19 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread WHO Experts: Swine flu still hasn't peaked, southern hemisphere bracing for another wave By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS (CP) � 7 hours ago LONDON � The World Health Organization says the swine flu pandemic still has not peaked. The agency's emergency committee met Tuesday and suggested it was "premature" to recommend downgrading the global flu outbreak. Swine flu cases have dropped dramatically in recent weeks in Western countries, but the virus has only recently hit Africa. The southern hemisphere is also bracing for another wave of illness in the next few months. Swine flu mostly causes mild symptoms and most people don't need treatment to get better. WHO's expert committee recommended another meeting be held in a few weeks to monitor the situation. http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...rVh5qcGUqdQ-_w

keehah | 02-24-2010 06:04 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/...rticle1473442/ Quote:
The dearth of influenza, not just here, but in the United States as well, has doctors and health officials collectively scratching their heads. Has pandemic H1N1 replaced the seasonal viruses? And if so, has its early spread delayed � or perhaps even prevented � the normal flu season? It wasn�t too long ago that labs across the country churned out tests confirming the presence of one positive influenza specimen after another. Today, the Ontario public lab, for example, may be getting about 100 to 200 specimens a day for testing, but the tide has clearly turned. �It�s been weeks since we�ve had a positive� for H1N1 or seasonal flu, Dr. Low said. Respiratory syncytial virus, a bug that causes respiratory tract infections, is the only thing spreading at the moment. .. perhaps this flu season has behaved like other pandemic years with an early surge that then peters out. One thing is certain: The peak of flu season has come and gone. It�s unusual, but not out of the realm of possibility, to see flu resurface in March. �There�s still time. But that being said, every week that goes by with no flu, it gets harder to keep pushing that idea, because it�s simply not out there,� Dr. Gardam said.

Canadian-guerilla | 02-25-2010 10:47 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Health Canada Approves Controversial HPV Vaccine For Males Wednesday February 24, 2010 OTTAWA, February 24, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Vaccine manufacturer Merck Frosst Pharmaceutical announced yesterday that they have approval from Health Canada for the use of the human papilloma virus (HPV) vaccine Gardasil in boys and young men. HPV is the most common sexually transmitted disease in the world, though, according to the World Health Organization (WHO), few people who have contracted the infection ever experience symptoms. Gardasil was approved by Health Canada in 2006 for females between the ages of nine and 26, with the goal of preventing cervical cancer and genital warts. In males the same age group is targeted, with the intent of combating genital warts and anal cancer. The U.S. government watchdog agency Judicial Watch, which has tracked the use of the vaccine since it was approved by the FDA, has repeatedly raised concerns over the safety of Gardasil and questions both the safety and usefulness of administering the vaccine to males. "HPV can lead to cervical cancer in women, but in men the most common complaint is genital warts. Although genital warts are contagious and can cause discomfort and embarrassment, they are usually not serious," a report from Judicial Watch states. "Also, according to a briefing document provided to the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC), only �~1% of all sexually active adults in the U.S.� has genital warts. Given the extremely low number of males who experience complications from HPV, it is worth questioning whether the vaccine is necessary for males at all." Judicial Watch also notes that "the VRBPAC briefing document shows that Gardasil is only 67.2% effective for men, and for men who have been exposed to HPV, the efficacy rate is only 23.2%." Commenting on the unresolved benefit of Gardasil immunization, Dr. Fran�ois Coutl�e, a clinical researcher at the Molecular Virology Laboratory, CHUM - H�pital Notre-Dame, who has been researching the use of Gardasil in men, told CTV.ca that most people who get genital warts will eventually fight off the infection without medical intervention. "For most individuals who develop genital warts, it's just a matter of time when their bodies will fight it off. It can take six months, two years, three years," Dr. Coutl�e said. "But for 95 per cent of individuals, the immune system will fight off the infection." Dr. Coutl�e also noted that those who have successfully fought off infection with one strain of HPV can still be infected again by another strain. "Infection with multiple types at the same time is a possibility," he said. "Even if you've been infected with one type doesn't mean you can't be infected by another type. And there are about 40 genital types around. So lots of genital types." According to Merck, Gardasil is designed to affect only four of the more than 100 strains of HPV. In addition, the vaccine has already proven to be extremely dangerous to girls and women. According to the FDA's Clinical Review, released in September 2008, 85.9% of girls aged 9 -17 experienced adverse events after receiving the Gardasil vaccine, while 92.5% of women aged 18 - 26 experience adverse events. The report also found that "there was only an 18.4%...reduction of any HPV related lesions (that could lead to cervical cancer) in the entire study population." Judicial Watch reports that in the period between May and September 2009, Gardasil vaccinations resulted in 1,510 adverse event reports being filed, of which 19% were classified as "serious", 40 cases were life threatening, 77 cases resulted in permanent disability, and 8 deaths were reported, making the total number of deaths connected to Gardasil vaccinations 55. http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/feb/10022409.html

Canadian-guerilla | 02-26-2010 06:21 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread CDC Panel Calls for Flu Vaccine for All Feb. 24, 2010 Experts Recommend Yearly Flu Vaccine for All Americans, Not Just Those at High Risk Everybody, not just those at risk of complications, should get a yearly flu shot, the CDC's immunization advisory panel says. The CDC almost certainly will make universal flu vaccination official U.S. policy for this fall's 2010-2011 flu season, as it consistently follows the advice of the panel of outside experts, called the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP). Now flu vaccination will be advised even for healthy adults ages 19 to 49 who do not come into contact with infants or elderly people, who are at highest risk of flu complications. That's only 15% of the U.S. population. But the ACIP say the effect of the universal recommendation will affect far more people. That's because a lot of people for whom the flu vaccine already is recommended don't think of themselves as being at high risk. Moreover, the universal recommendation simplifies the extremely complicated current recommendations that create confusion about who should and should not be vaccinated. And it makes it likely that insurers will cover flu shots for all healthy adults. ACIP members also said that the universal recommendation would assure Americans that the nation's public health experts are fully confident in the safety and effectiveness of the flu vaccine -- particularly the H1N1 swine flu vaccine. The 2010-2011 seasonal flu vaccine will include the H1N1 swine flu vaccine, as the pandemic virus appears to have replaced the seasonal H1N1 virus covered by previous vaccines. The new seasonal vaccine will also include protection against the predominant "Perth" H3N2 type A and "Brisbane" type B flus. http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/ne...accine-for-all

Drumblebum | 03-04-2010 10:11 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Talk about a STRAWMAN! SHEESH! You Tube
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goldbug | 03-04-2010 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Drumblebum (Post 2210264) Talk about a STRAWMAN! SHEESH! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmLqTjZnn60
Great example of programming the public. If this advert gets much airtime, we will see people parroting this kind of stuff. Many will use the exact catch words and phrases. They will think they are cool and hip, trying to fit in with what's crafted to appear normal and mainstream . . . instead of asking why they were pressured to take a possibly dangerous vaccine (jury still out on long term complications) when no real threat existed, and why the public spent billions on the vaccine. Also, the fear mongers should be asked how they were so wrong about the imminent death and horrors . . . that they "knew" would happen.

BellevueBully | 03-04-2010 10:25 AM
Re: Swine Flu and Vaccination info thread Quote:
Originally Posted by goldbug (Post 2210272) Great example of programming the public. If this advert gets much airtime, we will see people parroting this kind of stuff. Many will use the exact catch words and phrases. They will think they are cool and hip, trying to fit in with what's crafted to appear normal and mainstream . . . instead of asking why they were pressured to take a possibly dangerous vaccine (jury still out on long term complications) when no real threat existed, and why the public spent billions on the vaccine. Also, the fear mongers should be asked how they were so wrong about the imminent death and horrors . . . that they "knew" would happen.
Like everything else, zero accountability.

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