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electric-amish | 11-16-2008 09:50 AM
Gim is boosting Hormell sales Spam Spam Spam SHtf food Sales of Spam rise as consumers trim spending Much-maligned canned meat benefits from ad campaign, weak economy <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0 itxtvisited="1"><TBODY itxtvisited="1"><TR itxtvisited="1"><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 15px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 25px" vAlign=bottom width="1%" itxtvisited="1">http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/ap/207d...76.hmedium.jpg</TD><TD vAlign=bottom width="99%" itxtvisited="1">Cans of Spam line the shelves at a store in Berlin, Vermont. Sales of Spam are rising as consumers turn more to lunch meats and other lower-cost foods as a way of stretching their already stretched food budgets. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> So fess up whos buying all the Spam E-A

Meliorist | 11-16-2008 10:08 AM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales How the heck do you save money by buying spam? It is by no means a "lower cost" cost food. It's more expensive than pork, ham, chicken, or ground beef.

meatman | 11-16-2008 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Meliorist (Post 1418629) How the heck do you save money by buying spam? It is by no means a "lower cost" cost food. It's more expensive than pork, ham, chicken, or ground beef.
you don't save money now- but the spam has no shelf life last forever long as it keeps its vacuum so if you have money now buy a few cans every week A year from now you might have no money but you would have spam on your shelf:applause_ http://www.spam.com/

Merlin | 11-16-2008 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by electric-amish (Post 1418613) Sales of Spam are rising as consumers turn more to lunch meats and other lower-cost foods as a way of stretching their already stretched food budgets.
We stockup on Spam only when it's on sale--$2 per can or less. The regular price, somewhere around $2.80 per 12 oz can, works out to more than $3.70 a pound. That may be cheaper than steak. But, it's not cheaper than chicken or hamburger or most cuts of pork or chuck roast. So, I don't see it as a way of stretching my food budget. Prepping, yes. Saving, no.

Meliorist | 11-16-2008 10:44 AM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales Exactly. I have no issue with it for prepping or even a long term investment, but the article's position is absurd.

Lars Ragnarsson | 11-16-2008 11:09 AM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales It's cheaper than going out to a burger joint, buffet line, etc., every day for lunch. You've got to remember that the term "food budget" for today's "families" includes trips to BK, KFC, McD's, etc. It doesn't always mean groceries. They're slowly waking up, but there are waaayyy too many people that have never even thought of the concept of brown-bagging a lunch. Not to mention those status seekers who wouldn't be caught dead bringing their own lunch to work. News flash: My dad was director of operations for a government agency in the 60s, and I remember him brown-bagging bologna sandwiches. SPAM and canned corned beef sandwiches were rare treats! By switching to SPAM, these sheep could eat all week for less than the price of one lunch. That's where they're saving money.

Meliorist | 11-16-2008 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Lars Ragnarsson (Post 1418701) By switching to SPAM, these sheep could eat all week for less than the price of one lunch. That's where they're saving money.
I'd be willing to bet big money that the surge in sales is from preppers, not sheep. If we were talking about a surge in lunch meat or vegetable sales, I'd agree with you.

meatman | 11-16-2008 11:19 AM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales its funny when I saw this thread I asked the wife did you eat spam when you were a kid she said yes, me to. back in the 60's and 70's when we grew up, we had spam, pancakes stuff like that for supper. My parents were saving to buy a car or a down payment on a house, T.V. something happened to this world no more saving for anything just charge it or take a 100% loan and sometimes a 105% loan on homes. I wish I could say those days of 100% loans are done, but there not. This Govt. will not allow us to save they want and need for us to charge it. but not me fu*k them I will eat spam even though I could go out and eat prime rib. http://meatman.smugmug.com/photos/418171480_o5EmX-L.gif

Lars Ragnarsson | 11-16-2008 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Meliorist (Post 1418708) I'd be willing to bet big money that the surge in sales is from preppers, not sheep. If we were talking about a surge in lunch meat or vegetable sales, I'd agree with you.
Considering the quantities that preppers tend to buy, you may be right. Still, a few sheep are waking up. While buying mine I've seen a few of the uninitiated walk up and discuss with their partners things like which flavor, how would you fix it, etc. And despite these hard times, there are a lot of egos out there that are just too good for SPAM.

phideaux | 11-16-2008 01:08 PM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales http://images.crossmediaservices.com..._DD_C_5CPN.JPG Stock up at Walgreens this week. :s9:

Meliorist | 11-16-2008 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by phideaux (Post 1418864) Stock up at Walgreens this week. :s9:
Looks like a clever trick to get hoarders to stock up on various items at Walgreens, only to find out at the register (or worse, never) that they can only buy two cans of SPAM at $2.

aybesee123 | 11-16-2008 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Meliorist (Post 1418960) Looks like a clever trick to get hoarders to stock up on various items at Walgreens, only to find out at the register (or worse, never) that they can only buy two cans of SPAM at $2.
Two of each, thats 8 cans. You could go once a day if you live near.

latemetal | 11-16-2008 06:43 PM
Bingo, I pass two stores on the way to work and I pass those same stores on the way home.:spam4: :spam4: :spam4: I buy and store the other items as well.:coolbeer: Quote:
Originally Posted by aybesee123 (Post 1419095) Two of each, thats 8 cans. You could go once a day if you live near.

Drumblebum | 11-16-2008 06:57 PM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales Spam? No thanks. :puke: You guys can have mine... I'll stick with what I got.

phideaux | 11-16-2008 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Drumblebum (Post 1419373) Spam? No thanks. :puke: You guys can have mine... I'll stick with what I got.
I agree, though the canned ham is tolerable. :biggrin:

TechGuy | 11-16-2008 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by phideaux (Post 1419423) I agree, though the canned ham is tolerable. :biggrin:
Yup, spam is horrible, but at least you can add the canned ham to beans and it adds protein, fat, and a little taste. No need to add much salt to the beans either.

Fullpower | 11-16-2008 07:57 PM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales After six days eating nothing but rice, I should think a can of spam (with rice) would be a real nice sunday dinner treat.

Hi Ho | 11-16-2008 08:08 PM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales 1 Attachment(s) A friend of mine likes spam so much he built a two passenger SPAM hot air balloon. I think he got Hormel to spring for the fabric cost.

RealityCheck | 11-16-2008 08:13 PM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales Spam is good diced up with fried eggs or with hashbrowns. I dont see why some people dont like it. It just tastes like very salty processed pork. I think its pretty darn tastey on occasion. I've never tried the canned hams, but if they taste anything like those honey baked hams i'll have spam instead. :smile:

Merlin | 11-16-2008 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by phideaux (Post 1419423) I agree, though the canned ham is tolerable. :biggrin:
I actually prefer Spam to canned ham. Although I have to say, either one would be great layered in scalloped potatoes or potatoes au gratin. With beans or bean soup, the canned ham would be better. I have both in my preps and just bought two cans of each at Walgreens this evening. The last couple of months, I've actually been trying to cook with my preps. Don't want surprises when push comes to shove and I'm forced to use them. I actually started opening my sampler case of TVP imitation meats. The imitation bacon bits (just like Bacos) were good in scrambled eggs, as were the imitation ham bits. I made chicken noodle soup with imitation chicken bits with bullion cubes, noodles and dehydrated onions -- not as good as the real thing, but tasty enough if you're hungry. The TVP imitation meats supposedly have a 20 year shelf life. Definitely would want light-weight dehydrated foods in my bug-out bag. Cans of ham, Spam, corned beef, and roast beef would be way too bulky and heavy.

Fermentation | 11-16-2008 08:25 PM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales I don't understand how you guys consider this as food. It's highly processed, highly salted, and extremely preserved with agents known to be bad for your health. How is that prepping exactly, unless you eat this food like substance all the time. This is no different than fast food of other junk. Remember people, food is medicine. Why eat things that will cause you to be sickly and unhealthy in the long run. There will be the Doctors in a serious SHTF situation. Eating properly and taking care of you rbody id paramount to stocking up on crappy foods that will eventually give you cancer and so forth. Just my elitist two cents I guess. My GF and I stock only on Organic grains and beans. We don't eat meat, but we have sardines ( Good fatty acids and oils) Just in case of a serious get out of dodge situation. Really think about manitaining you rhealth in these scenarios. JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN EAT IT AND EXCRETE IT DOESN'T MAKE IT FOOD.

Bill843 | 11-16-2008 08:44 PM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales I don't intend for this post to be racist, so don't anybody fly off the handle. ------------ I work at a grocery store, and most of the people we see buying Spam are lower-income Hispanics. I have been told by a non-poor Hispanic that those people who buy canned meat generally do so because (even though they are living and working in the US) they are so poor or they are living in circumstances where they don't have a refrigerator to store regular meat in. How they use it is they mix a bit of it in with other stuff, just to add protein--not even many of them like the flavor itself. And really, they don't "favor" Spam, often they'll will buy whatever kind of canned meat is cheapest. So it seems.... -some people eat it more than others, but nobody really likes Spam. ;>) -end-

RealityCheck | 11-16-2008 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Fermentation (Post 1419491) I don't understand how you guys consider this as food. It's highly processed, highly salted, and extremely preserved with agents known to be bad for your health. How is that prepping exactly, unless you eat this food like substance all the time. This is no different than fast food of other junk.
You mean you never eat any junk food? I do, thats why I wan't to store some. Seeing as the vast bulk of prep foods are whole foods in their unproccessed form, a little junk food is hardly worth worrying about.

Merlin | 11-16-2008 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill843 (Post 1419505) So it seems.... -some people eat it more than others, but nobody really likes Spam. ;>) -end-
I call BS. I don't eat Spam everyday. But, every couple of weeks, we open a can, slice it thin, fry it and make sandwiches. Consider this: "Hawaii's people love Spam. We eat an average of 6 cans per person every year. The salty pink luncheon meat isn't just for lunch. We eat it for breakfast, for dinner and anykine snacktime! We buy it in the can, or fried with eggs at McDonald's, or pressed on rice at 7-11. We eat it at home, in (otherwise respectable) restaurants and at the beach. But what is stuff, and how did it become the greasy heart of local cuisine? Specially Processed Army Meat Hawaii was the staging ground for the Pacific front in World War II. Meat was rationed at the same time the US military presence increased. Spam was a regular part of military rations. In the can it never expires, and it doesn't require refrigeration. These qualities which were essential to the military also made Spam ideal for the tropical Hawaii climate in a time when refrigeration was not widespread or reliable. Soldiers were happy to trade thier Spam ration for delicious local food, and Hawaii people found out how good Spam is with rice. And in saimin. And fried crispy. And in any other way you can think of slicing it -and some others that are frankly unimaginable to the uninitiated. Super Pink Alien Meat Spam remained popular on the Mainland through the 1950's as a jet-age modern marvel. Housewives studded the quivering pink block with cloves and ringed it with cherry-stuffed pinapple rings. It was floated in cream sauce and entombed in that other miracle of food science-fiction, Jello. This explains why Spam became so unpopular in most of the country, except as the butt of cruel jokes. Today, retro-chic has revitalized Spam's popularity. The Internet has spread spam-love and spam-lore. Thousands of Spam devotees on the World Wide Web discuss our beloved ham in a can. Always, they point out, Hawaii is Spam paradise." http://www2.hawaii.edu/~ykenney/spamhistory.html They actually have a Spam festival in Hawaii with competitions for recipes. "Hawaiian soul food Isn't Spam sushi a culinary crime? Not in Waikiki. By Constance Hale As Honolulu gourmands gear up for an unusual street festival, there's just one question on their lips: Could anything possibly top last year's Spam Jam musubi—a giant version of the island snack that consists of a brick of rice, a slab of Spam, and a belt of black seaweed—at its record-busting length of 313 feet? The making of the gonzo musubi—which required more than 275 pounds of rice, 1,650 slices of Spam, and 600 feet of the dried seaweed called nori—kicked off last year's second annual Spam Jam, held along Waikiki's Kalakaua Avenue. And, yup, this year the wacky festival once again celebrates Spam, the luncheon meat everyone loves to ridicule. Everyone, that is, but Hawaiians. Fiftieth staters consume nearly 6 million cans a year, or almost six cans for every man, woman, and child. Some call the gelatinous pink pork "Hawaii's soul food." Spam worked its way into the hearts—and arteries—of Hawaiians during World War II. Fresh meat was scarce at the time, so civilians loaded up on the brand-name C ration well known to GIs. Needing no refrigeration, the proletarian pork product soon became one of three items islanders stock up on (along with toilet paper and rice) during threats of hurricanes, tsunamis, or dockworkers' strikes. More recently, McDonald's added Spam to its Hawaiian breakfast menu, while island chefs toy with it. Hawaii's Spam Cookbook lists recipes for Spam omelets, Spam and beans, and Spam with Japanese radish fermented in a syrupy sauce. But it's Spam musubi, introduced in the 1980s, that reigns supreme in delis and 7-Elevens statewide and in Hawaiian eateries on the mainland. Foodies insist the Tamashiro Market in Honolulu serves the absolute best Spam musubi, its sticky rice flecked with furikake, a blend of seaweed, sesame, and other seasonings. It may not be 313 feet long, but, hey, it only costs $1.25. This year's Waikiki Spam Jam, held April 30, features live music, food, crafts, a Mr. or Ms. Spam contest, and hula performances. Information: (808) 923-1094, www.waikikiimprovement.com." http://viamagazine.com/top_stories/a...ian_food05.asp With its long-term storage capabilities, its fat and calorie content, and the protein that it offers, Spam is a nearly ideal SHTF survival fan, salt and processing notwithstanding.

Cassandra | 11-16-2008 09:50 PM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales I would guess that it's preppers driving up the consumption numbers on this, and not brown-bagging sheeple. Although I suppose it's possible that the sheep are dumb enough that they think they're saving money by buying spam instead of real food. Problem I have is that my DH loves SPAM and always eats our food preps. Our freezer is stocked with fresh chicken at .69, ground beef, and even NY strip steaks at 2.99 for gossakes! But he eats the SPAM! It's not that he doesn't like to cook; both of us like cooking. He just loves eating SPAM (sorry, Bill843). I hate the thought of having to hide my food preps from my hubby, but I kind of have to. For his own good, you understand. Cause :spam4: really is cr@p.

phideaux | 11-16-2008 10:03 PM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales "pork shoulder meat":biggrin:. :ok:? :thumpdown? Ingredients: Chopped pork shoulder meat with ham meat added. Salt (for binding, flavour, and firmness) Water (to help in mixing) Sugar (for flavour) Sodium Nitrite (for colour and as a preservative) Yum yum! Nutrition Information For SPAM (original style): Calories Per Serving: 170 Calories Per Serving From Fat: 140 Serving Size: 2 oz. Servings Per Container: 6 (large) or 3.5 (small) Total Fat: 16g Saturated Fat: 6g Cholesterol: 40mg Sodium: 750mg Total Carbohydrates: 0g Fiber: 0g Sugars: 0g Proteins: 7g Vitamin A: 0% Vitamin C: 0% Calcium: 0% Iron: 2% Deee-licious! Nifty Spam Trivia! By World War II, Hormel had sold twenty thousand tons of Spam. Then, during the wartime meat rationing, Spam got popular... If all the cans of Spam ever eaten were put end-to-end, they would circle the globe at least ten times. In the U.S. alone, 3.8 cans of Spam "are consumed every second"(assuming SPAM is eaten 24 hours a day, 365.25 days a year). Senator Robert Byrd of West Viginia eats a sandwich of SPAM and mayonnaise on white bread three times a week. Residents of Hawai'i eat an average of four cans of SPAM per person per year, more than in any other place on Earth (Elsewhere in the Universe, who knows?). By 1959, a billion cans of SPAM had been sold. The two billion mark was hit in 1970, followed by three billion in 1980, four billion in 1986, and five billion in 1993. That's a lot of SPAM! In Korea, SPAM is sold in stylish presentation gift boxes of nine cans each. SPAM stolen from army PXs can be found on the Korean black market. And there are Korean imitations called Lo-Spam, Dak, Plumrose, and Tulip, to ensure that no one need go without. Nikita Krushchev once credited SPAM with the survival of the WWII Russian army. ''Without SPAM, we wouldn't have been able to feed our army,'' he said. SPAM is sold in over 99% of U.S. grocery stores. The SPAM luncheon meat trademark is registered in 93 countries. Over 60 million people in the U.S. eat SPAM. SPAM is made in two U.S. locations - Austin, Minnesota, and Fremont, Nebraska - and seven other countries: England, Australia, Denmark, Phillipines, Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea. In 1989, the U.S. armed forces bought 3.3 million pounds of SPAM. Over 141 million cans of SPAM are sold worldwide each year. Isn't that amazing? But it's all true! http://www.cusd.claremont.edu/~mrosenbl/spamfacts.html

thrifty_bob | 11-16-2008 10:10 PM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales I found some ham flavored bullion to use for soups, with beans and with rice. It will definitely keep for eternity. I had fried spam when I was a kid when we went camping. I much prefer canned ham or sardines if I'm going to eat canned meat. Beef jerky makes great chili, btw, as long as you don't add so much as to make it too salty, and you rehydrate it before cooking. You know whats in it because you made it, and its cheaper than canned ham or spam, too.

Merlin | 11-16-2008 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by phideaux (Post 1419592) * Nikita Krushchev once credited SPAM with the survival of the WWII Russian army. ''Without SPAM, we wouldn't have been able to feed our army,'' he said.
I rest my case. Spam is survival food for preppers. Maybe all those Hawaiians just have bad taste?

Fermentation | 11-16-2008 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RealityCheck (Post 1419518) You mean you never eat any junk food? I do, thats why I wan't to store some. Seeing as the vast bulk of prep foods are whole foods in their unproccessed form, a little junk food is hardly worth worrying about.
Yes, I mean I don't eat or store junk food. Just because you can eat it and excrete it, doesn't make it food.

Fermentation | 11-16-2008 10:32 PM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales Garbage in Garbage out = Cancer and other illnesses. Americans are fat and unhealthy enough, we don't need no frickin spam. Sodium Nitrate, my God. Think about what you put in your temple.

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Merlin | 11-16-2008 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Fermentation (Post 1419622) Yes, I mean I don't eat or store junk food. Just because you can eat it and excrete it, doesn't make it food.
I suppose I don't really approve of the sodium nitrite (which actually has some positive medical benefits in limited amounts.) But what's your problem with "pork with ham, salt, water, modified potato starch, and sugar"? The sodium content of a 2 oz serving (one serving or 1/6 of one can) represents 33% of the daily requirement. That hardly strikes me as excessive in a situation where your diet might be extremely bland and limited. Remember that, in conditions where you would be eating your preps because normal food sources had disappeared, you'd probably be rationing, not pigging-out. Perhaps we'll just have to agree to disagree; but I view Spam as a really important part of my preps. The Oscar Mayer bacon in my refrigerator has sodium nitrite in it too. I fully intend to eat and enjoy a BLT sandwich and choose not to view it as junk food.

Fermentation | 11-16-2008 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 1419650) I suppose I don't really approve of the sodium nitrite (which actually has some positive medical benefits in limited amounts.) But what's your problem with "pork with ham, salt, water, modified potato starch, and sugar"? The sodium content of a 2 oz serving (one serving or 1/6 of one can) represents 33% of the daily requirement. That hardly strikes me as excessive in a situation where your diet might be extremely bland and limited. Remember that, in conditions where you would be eating your preps because normal food sources had disappeared, you'd probably be rationing, not pigging-out. Perhaps we'll just have to agree to disagree; but I view Spam as a really important part of my preps. The Oscar Mayer bacon in my refrigerator has sodium nitrite in it too. I fully intend to eat and enjoy a BLT sandwich and See my comments below MERLIN, I screwed up the quote function, some how my comments made it into your quote: Sodium nitrate is used as an ingredient in fertilizers, pyrotechnics, as a food preservative, and as solid rocket propellants, as well as in glass and pottery enamels; the compound has been mined extensively for those purposes. ( From Wiki guys). Merlin, if you wanna put that in your body, I really have no objections, it's your body. But it isn't food. I just want people to be aware and informed. More info for you below: http://www.organicconsumers.org/food...ssed100705.cfmchoose not to view it as junk food.
Why Processed Meats Are Dangerous to Your Health NewsTarget.com http://www.newstarget.com/011148.html Monday, October 03, 2005 By Mike Adams The real reason why processed meats are so dangerous to your health Have you ever wondered why the consumption of processed meats is so strongly linked to cancers of the colon, breast, prostate and pancreas? The evidence continues to mount, as demonstrated by a recent study showing a 67% increase in pancreatic cancer for people consuming moderate amounts of processed meat on a frequent basis. (Pulse; 4/23/2005, Vol. 65 Issue 16, p10). Conventional medical doctors and nutrition (see related ebook on nutrition) researchers tend to put the bulk of the blame on the saturated fat content of processed meats, but that ignores two notable culprits that I think are far worse offenders when it comes to human health. Let's take a closer look at these two problems with processed meats. The first problem is found in the fats of these processed meats. The problem isn't the fat molecules themselves, but rather the toxic chemicals, heavy metals and environmental pollutants that are found inside those fat molecules. You see, fat tissues -- whether in a cow or a human -- tend to concentrate whatever pollutants are found in the mainstay diet of the animal. A cow eats literally tons of grass in its lifetime, and in doing so, it collects and concentrates low-level pollutants found in its diet. For non-organic beef, it's quite common to find trace amounts of heavy metals (mercury, cadmium), pesticides, and even PCBs. That's because, for non-organic beef, feed practices are rather horrifying. You'd be shocked to learn what's perfectly legal to feed to cows intended for human consumption. So while conventional doctors tend to put the health risk blame on the saturated fat found in meat products, I think it has a lot more to do with the toxic substances concentrated in those fat tissues. A cow is much like a land bottom-feeder, and eating meat from a non-organic cow is a lot like eating shrimp from the bottom of the ocean. These toxins, when consumed, are clearly and unquestionably linked to cancers as well as nervous system disorders that can accelerate Alzheimer's disease and dementia. They also stress the liver and impair immune system function. The human body should never be exposed to mercury, PCBs or the rocket fuel chemicals that are now almost universally found in cows' milk products across the country (in a 2005 Texas Tech University study, perchlorate was detected in 46 of 47 store-bought samples of cows' milk across 11 states). The second (and more important) reason processed meats are so strongly correlated with cancer is, I believe, the continued use of a cancer-promoting additive called sodium nitrite. This ingredient, which sounds harmless, is actually highly carcinogenic once it enters the human digestive system. There, it forms a variety of nitrosamine compounds that enter the bloodstream and wreak havoc with a number of internal organs: the liver and pancreas in particular. Sodium nitrite is widely regarded as a toxic ingredient, and the USDA actually tried to ban this additive in the 1970's but was vetoed by food manufacturers who complained they had no alternative for preserving packaged meat products. You can find sodium nitrite in nearly every packaged meat product imaginable. It's listed right on the label of products like bacon, breakfast sausage, beef jerky, pepperoni, sandwich meat, ham, hot dogs, and even the meats found in canned soups. If you and I walked into any grocery store in America, I could show you hundreds of products that contain this ingredient right now. And I believe this sodium nitrite is the primary cause of pancreatic cancer in humans who consume even moderate quantities of processed meats. If sodium nitrite is so dangerous, why does the food industry use it? Simple: this chemical just happens to turn meats bright red. It's actually a color fixer, and it makes old, dead meats appear fresh and vibrant. Thus, food manufacturers insist on using sodium nitrite for the simple reason that it sells more meat products. Consumers are strongly influenced by the color of grocery products (which is why Florida oranges are often dipped in red dye, by the way), and when meat products look fresh, people will buy them, even if the true color of the months-old meat is putrid gray. There is a way to minimize the damage from sodium nitrite, by the way. You won't hear this from the USDA these days, since the department doesn't really want to discuss sodium nitrite at all. Since the 1970's, the USDA has shifted into protection mode of the very industries it was supposed to regulate... to the point where it now acts as more of a marketing branch of the beef, milk and grain industries. The proven protection strategy is to consume fairly large doses of vitamins C and E before dietary exposure to sodium nitrite. This nutritional protection strategy inhibits the conversion of sodium nitrite to cancer-causing nitrosamines. Personally, I would never consume any processed meat products, but if you choose to do so, you can reduce your risk of cancer from sodium nitrite by consuming these antioxidants before your meal. Consuming chlorella before or during meals with meat will also theoretically protect you from various environmental pollutants. Chlorella is well known to bind to heavy metals in particular, shepherding them out of your body before they can do much damage. Personally, I take chlorella any time I eat seafood for this very purpose. You can also, of course, turn to fresh, organic, free-range meat. That's the safest approach for any meat consumer. Yes, it's expensive, but last time I checked, treating pancreatic cancer was a bit on the pricey side, too. There are other problems with processed meats, nutritionally speaking. Meat has zero fiber, for one thing. But in terms of the major causative factors of disease in the human body, I believe the two primary culprits are the heavy metals and toxins concentrated in the fat tissues of cows, combined with the sodium nitrite additives used by meat processing companies to preserve their products and give them enhanced visual appeal. And thus, the saturated fat argument is a distraction from the real causes of cancer that the U.S. beef industry doesn't want to talk about. It's not the saturated fat that causes pancreatic cancer. For example, coconut oil consumption wouldn't cause a person's risk of pancreatic cancer to leap 67%, although it's still saturated fat. The real cause of the cancer, I believe, is what's found INSIDE the fat, and what's ADDED to the meat during processing and packaging. 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Lars Ragnarsson | 11-17-2008 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 1419650) I suppose I don't really approve of the sodium nitrite (which actually has some positive medical benefits in limited amounts.) But what's your problem with "pork with ham, salt, water, modified potato starch, and sugar"? The sodium content of a 2 oz serving (one serving or 1/6 of one can) represents 33% of the daily requirement. That hardly strikes me as excessive in a situation where your diet might be extremely bland and limited. Remember that, in conditions where you would be eating your preps because normal food sources had disappeared, you'd probably be rationing, not pigging-out. Perhaps we'll just have to agree to disagree; but I view Spam as a really important part of my preps. The Oscar Mayer bacon in my refrigerator has sodium nitrite in it too. I fully intend to eat and enjoy a BLT sandwich and choose not to view it as junk food.
Exactly. I don't buy the stuff because it's nutritious - though I do fry some up occasionally or use it for sandwiches. If we're living in a time when food is scarce, I'm sure as hell not going to read the nutrition label and worry about my sodium intake. Most likely, all the other unhealthy crap I eat too much of won't be around, and what little there is in that SPAM can won't make a difference. I'll just be happy to have something to chow down on. And as other folks mentioned, it would be great for flavoring up beans, rice, or a variety of other dehydrated/freeze-dried foods. I haven't read the nutrition labels on those government surplus freeze-dried pork chops either. And I don't plan to. I'll just trust that it will be a whole lot tastier and more nutritious ter than eating bark off of trees....

Fermentation | 11-17-2008 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Lars Ragnarsson (Post 1419783) Exactly. I don't buy the stuff because it's nutritious - though I do fry some up occasionally or use it for sandwiches. If we're living in a time when food is scarce, I'm sure as hell not going to read the nutrition label and worry about my sodium intake. Most likely, all the other unhealthy crap I eat too much of won't be around, and what little there is in that SPAM can won't make a difference. I'll just be happy to have something to chow down on. And as other folks mentioned, it would be great for flavoring up beans, rice, or a variety of other dehydrated/freeze-dried foods. I haven't read the nutrition labels on those government surplus freeze-dried pork chops either. And I don't plan to. I'll just trust that it will be a whole lot tastier and more nutritious ter than eating bark off of trees....
You guys are really missing the point or not reading my post clearly or at all. The point of survival prepping is to survive. Eating that salty, poisonous ( Sodium nitrate) food like substance will make you unhealthy during SHTF scenario. If there's no doctor around you'll probably die, and won't be able to trace it to your Spam or other preservative contaminated food. Just like people don't trace their illnesses to food these days. If you eat better you'll feel better.I delivered the links you can educate yourself and make your own decisions. " Let Food be your medicine". But why on God's earth would you but something in your body that is used in fertilizer, pyro technics, and dog food. I guess George Carlins was right, he said " Americans will eat anything, just deep fry it and cover it with cheese. They'll eat a Raccoon's azz if you deep fry it and cover it with BBQ sauce.

Olmstein | 11-17-2008 09:14 AM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales I like Spam sliced and pan fried, served on saltine crackers with mustard. Mmmm.

TLM | 11-17-2008 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Fermentation (Post 1419796) They'll eat a Raccoon's azz if you deep fry it and cover it with BBQ sauce.
Maybe it's just me... but that doesn't sound half bad.

silverblood | 11-17-2008 09:57 AM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales Ok, so I have to add massive amounts of vitimin C and E to my food stores to balance the Spam. Though to be honest, most of my canned meat is salmon and tuna, some chicken. There are no nitrates in it, but plenty of mercury (in the tuna).

Drumblebum | 11-17-2008 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by silverblood (Post 1420094) Ok, so I have to add massive amounts of vitimin C and E to my food stores to balance the Spam. Though to be honest, most of my canned meat is salmon and tuna, some chicken. There are no nitrates in it, but plenty of mercury (in the tuna).
That's been my choices too, for meats. I have no problem with Spam under food scarcity conditions... I just don't like Spam so much. I'll go with the Dinty Moore beef stew when I want a break from the usual. Golly, I love that stuff! :bear_wub: I also have a few cases of those little vienna sausage dealies... my kids like them and hell, that's kinda like spam ain't it?

Merlin | 11-17-2008 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by silverblood (Post 1420094) Ok, so I have to add massive amounts of vitimin C and E to my food stores to balance the Spam. Though to be honest, most of my canned meat is salmon and tuna, some chicken. There are no nitrates in it, but plenty of mercury (in the tuna).
First of all, to be accurate, it's not nitrates, it's nitrites. Second, I started looking around the kitchen pantry and sodium nitrite is a very common ingredient. It appears on the label for my Celebrity canned hams, the Hormel canned corned beef hash, not to mention the bacon in the refrigerator. Commercial foods contain many additives. One of the more common is sodium phosphate. From Wikipedia: "Use Sodium phosphates are used as food additives. Sodium phosphates are added to many foods as an emulsifier to prevent oil separation. Some examples are processed cheeses, processed meats, ready-made meals and tinned (canned) soups. Sodium phosphates are also commonly added to powdered soups, boullions and gravy mixtures. Sodium phosphates can also be used as a leavening agent. Some examples of these foods include the batter coating on breaded fish or chicken, and commercially baked cakes. Adding sodium phosphates to food increases the shelf life of the food; maintaining the texture and appearance of the food. Sodium Phosphate (trisodium phosphate) is also an ingredient of cleaning products; e.g. Sugar soap. Risk Oral sodium phosphates for bowel preparation for colonoscopy carry a risk of kidney injury under the form of phosphate nephropathy." Should we, therefore, avoid all foods that contain sodium phosphate because consuming large amounts is dangerous to your health? The canned chicken on my shelf contains sodium phosphate. Is that junk food too?

Merlin | 11-17-2008 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Drumblebum (Post 1420145) That's been my choices too, for meats. I have no problem with Spam under food scarcity conditions... I just don't like Spam so much. I'll go with the Dinty Moore beef stew when I want a break from the usual. Golly, I love that stuff! :bear_wub: I also have a few cases of those little vienna sausage dealies... my kids like them and hell, that's kinda like spam ain't it?
And the label on the Dinty Moore beef stew says it's Preservative Free! No nitrites or phosphates there. As for the little vienna sausage dealies, the ones I own (Prairie Belt Smoked Sausage distributed by Castleberry's) aren't Vienna; but they do contain sodium tripolyphosphate and sodium nitrite. More junk food I guess.

AMforPM | 11-17-2008 02:26 PM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales EA this thread gave me a good laugh. The GIM :spam4: hoarding thread. :111:

Fermentation | 11-17-2008 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 1420169) First of all, to be accurate, it's not nitrates, it's nitrites. Second, I started looking around the kitchen pantry and sodium nitrite is a very common ingredient. It appears on the label for my Celebrity canned hams, the Hormel canned corned beef hash, not to mention the bacon in the refrigerator. Commercial foods contain many additives. One of the more common is sodium phosphate. From Wikipedia: "Use Sodium phosphates are used as food additives. Sodium phosphates are added to many foods as an emulsifier to prevent oil separation. Some examples are processed cheeses, processed meats, ready-made meals and tinned (canned) soups. Sodium phosphates are also commonly added to powdered soups, boullions and gravy mixtures. Sodium phosphates can also be used as a leavening agent. Some examples of these foods include the batter coating on breaded fish or chicken, and commercially baked cakes. Adding sodium phosphates to food increases the shelf life of the food; maintaining the texture and appearance of the food. Sodium Phosphate (trisodium phosphate) is also an ingredient of cleaning products; e.g. Sugar soap. Risk Oral sodium phosphates for bowel preparation for colonoscopy carry a risk of kidney injury under the form of phosphate nephropathy." Should we, therefore, avoid all foods that contain sodium phosphate because consuming large amounts is dangerous to your health? The canned chicken on my shelf contains sodium phosphate. Is that junk food too?
First off, I respect everyone for prepping and trying to be prepared. However, yes my point is to avoid foods which would cause you unavoidable illnesses and dehydration in a real SHTF situation. Personally I do only organic grains and beans, plus organic veggies and etc I can myself or buy, this incudes perma culture and gardening/farming). It's a form of health insurance for me. I Also keep plenty of foods which act as medicine (dried) garlic and etc. I went through my house and got rid of all the food like substances that contain artificial preservatives and etc. This is why we have raising rates of cancer, and everyone is duh, why is everyone on meds now. The only thing that has changes is the way we eat and the way we have destroyed our environments with chemicals. Also got rid of harsh cleaners and such. If I can't do it with baking soad, vinegar, and castille soap, it won't happen. You guys do as you please, I have studied this indepth as much as you study Gold and Silver. I'm confident, garbage in + garbage out. We the final bell rings, I hope to be standing, at least I will have done all I could have done, according to my current and expanding knowledge base. If you want any advice PM me, obviously we're all doing the best we can. You do better when you know better. All of us have to come to that point by ourselves, as much as all of of us had to understand the fed, gold, and silver. A lot of people talk about red pill vs blue pills and sheeple. Food is the greatest controller of the masses. If you're sick, you can't do jack sh*t and all the gold in China won't help you. There are many types of sheeple ( financial, health, or food) they basically follow the crowd and don't think for themselves, and do what everyone else does. For the red pill wasn't only about money ( gold and silver), it's about health, culture, and etc. I WANT ALL MY FREEDOM, not just financial. I've seen a lot of old,rich, and sick miserable ba$tards. My road to freedom has included having an independent mind for: Food ( Raw foods and fasting) Money ( gold and silver) Health ( Let food be my medicine plus some herbs and mushrooms, has worked thousands of years) Herbs ( Studied natural cures for illnesses, no meds no docters) Exercise (Yoga, total body fitness and etc.) Self Defense ( guns, Martial arts, Escape and evade) Building Community (Gardens projects, liked minded people, and etc.) Meditation and etc. (Relaxation techniques during major stress and crisis) Killing my TV and excluding Mainstream culture in my life. ( Thinking for myself) Many people have parts of freedom, rare few have most of them. Good luck to you all.

AMforPM | 11-17-2008 10:49 PM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales Food is NOT the only thing making people sick. We are living in electromagnetic hades. The nutritionist who cured an incurable illness having me eat 100% live food said it would do no good if a microwave was used in my home. That blood studies had confirmed that cancer patients in full remission still eating clean showed cancer precursors if they ate nothing microwaved, just got hit with the leakage from a microwave in their homes. And we have cell phones, radio and tv rays, all kinds of electromagnetic cr@p passing through us. On clean food, I'm a moderate. I think if the majority of the diet is clean the body can tolerate some unhealthy food. Of interest to me was one long study of many health factors that found that people drinking 1 or 2 cups of coffee or 1 or 2 beers a day were healthier long term than people who consumed none or people who consumed more. Nitrites are noxious, but in an overall clean diet I very much doubt they would cause a problem.

electric-amish | 11-17-2008 11:10 PM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales I'm so proud of this thread! E-A

MetalManiac | 11-18-2008 03:24 PM
Re: Gim is boosting Hormell sales Here's a great SPAM recipe for you. It's "SPAM-ghetti" - like Spaghetti, but you use SPAM. Chop it up - fry it up in a pan - add spaghetti sauce - put it on noodles. Grab a beer and ENJOY! :ok: I used to eat it when I was a poor college student. It's awesome! :banana:

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