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Fullpower | 04-26-2008 02:04 PM
FOOD PRICES are low. Food is as cheap as you will ever see it again. " Buy the Dip" Back up the truck, buy as much as you can store. Half the people alive today will die of starvation.

Jonas Parker | 04-26-2008 02:06 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. Quote:
Originally Posted by Fullpower (Post 1079700) Food is as cheap as you will ever see it again. " Buy the Dip" Back up the truck, buy as much as you can store. Half the people alive today will die of starvation.
I would tend to agree...

Tn...Andy | 04-26-2008 04:19 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. If economies collapse and a few things like that wheat rust hit hard, I can see where that might happen.

CJul | 04-26-2008 04:29 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. Quote:
Originally Posted by Fullpower (Post 1079700) Half the people alive today will die of starvation.
I'm not attacking just generally curious: what do you base that statistic on?

mightyspuds | 04-26-2008 05:07 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. An estimate.You want to challenge someones perception of what may happen? You need proof of everything you prepare for,proof of the future UNKNOWN?? You are in my opinion not bringing anything to the table. Let me ask you,what is YOUR point? You dont want to prepare then dont. If you need 'proof' something WILL happen or you wont prepare,or INSURE,against anything,is fine by me. Grasp this concept,INSURANCE.Look it up. Make sense yet?

DogFarm | 04-26-2008 05:58 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. I agree. These days, if I were staying in the US I would be stacking up on food....

CJul | 04-26-2008 06:02 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. Quote:
Originally Posted by mightyspuds (Post 1079861) An estimate.You want to challenge someones perception of what may happen? You need proof of everything you prepare for,proof of the future UNKNOWN?? You are in my opinion not bringing anything to the table. Let me ask you,what is YOUR point? You dont want to prepare then dont. If you need 'proof' something WILL happen or you wont prepare,or INSURE,against anything,is fine by me. Grasp this concept,INSURANCE.Look it up. Make sense yet?
mnn ... like, defensive? If I take out house insurance I don't think I have a 50/50 chance of being burgled. An estimate must be based on some evidence, or it isn't an estimate, it is a guess. Not sure what you brought to the table except an inability to answer an honest question

macrohard | 04-26-2008 06:08 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. Quote:
Originally Posted by CJul (Post 1079904) mnn ... like, defensive? If I take out house insurance I don't think I have a 50/50 chance of being burgled. An estimate must be based on some evidence, or it isn't an estimate, it is a guess. Not sure what you brought to the table except an inability to answer an honest question
Everyone is going to die! The sky is falling! Prepare for dooooooom & destruction. Proof? I don't need no stinking proof. :bull-buddy-icon:

Fullpower | 04-26-2008 06:31 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. ONE hundred thirty Billion dollars of economic stimulation will hit the streets beginning next week. Expect a comensurate 4 percent rise in the retail price of ALL consumer goods. When the benefits of this inflationary wave turns out to be insufficient, expect another "Money Drop", slightly larger, to hit the streets around mid october, so as to perk up the citizenry for the november election farce. In response to "rising" energy costs (measured in disintegrating dollars), expect government price controls, first on heating oil, then on motor fuel to begin in january 2009. Followed in February by an emergency "enregy rebate" check for all the good citizens, probably around a thousand dollars or so. Regional heating oil and gasoline shortages ensue. Rationing will be proposed. " Hoarding" will be discouraged, gently at first, then with stiffening sanctions. Independant truck drivers park, walk away..... smaller transport companies fold up. The majors of course will continue with government supplied fuel. Expect the price and availability of all food resources to be affected concurrently. I offer no proof, just my observence of the tea leaves, and projected time line. If you fail to take appropriate steps to feed ,clothe ,and house YOUR family that is YOUR problem. Good Luck to all.

mightyspuds | 04-26-2008 06:33 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. Quote:
Originally Posted by CJul (Post 1079904) mnn ... like, defensive? If I take out house insurance I don't think I have a 50/50 chance of being burgled. An estimate must be based on some evidence, or it isn't an estimate, it is a guess. Not sure what you brought to the table except an inability to answer an honest question
So its a guess. Good for me. You dont like it,dont prep. For starters,you dont have a 50% chance of being burgled,you have a 0 or a 100% chance,depending on whether it hits YOU or not. There have been famines before that were catastrophic.Even in modern times.If someone feels it could wipe out half the Earth IN THE FUTURE,then their estimate is as valid as any in PREDICTING the future. If it isnt good enough for you,who cares? I cant PREDICT the future any more than you or anyone else can,its an opinion,simple as that. Difference of opinion makes horse races possible,are you grasping it yet? Me thinks your 'honest question' is anything but.

buff01 | 04-26-2008 06:33 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. Quote:
Originally Posted by Fullpower (Post 1079700) Food is as cheap as you will ever see it again. " Buy the Dip" Back up the truck, buy as much as you can store. Half the people alive today will die of starvation.
When I think how much grain and quality food I can buy on a day's wages, I find that you are absolutely right.

CJul | 04-26-2008 06:41 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. Quote:
Originally Posted by mightyspuds (Post 1079926) So its a guess. Good for me. You dont like it,dont prep. For starters,you dont have a 50% chance of being burgled,you have a 0 or a 100% chance,depending on whether it hits YOU or not. There have been famines before that were catastrophic.Even in modern times.If someone feels it could wipe out half the Earth IN THE FUTURE,then their estimate is as valid as any in PREDICTING the future. If it isnt good enough for you,who cares?
Thought it would be nice to have a rational conversation. Sorry. Forgot for a minute where I was. You obviously only want to converse with people who agree with you. Should be no problem finding them. As you were.

vacuum | 04-26-2008 06:41 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. Quote:
Originally Posted by Fullpower (Post 1079923) ONE hundred thirty Billion dollars of economic stimulation will hit the streets beginning next week.
Wow, I didn't even think of that. Good point.

mightyspuds | 04-26-2008 06:45 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. Quote:
Originally Posted by Fullpower (Post 1079923) Independant truck drivers park, walk away. I offer no proof, just my observence of the tea leaves, and projected time line. If you fail to take appropriate steps to feed ,clothe ,and house YOUR family that is YOUR problem. Good Luck to all.
Yep,my nephew was driving a lease/owner truck for free,after expenses.After 2 weeks downtime,while his bills were still coming in,he was LOSING 2-3000 dollars an incident. He gave back the truck. Your 'proof' is as valid as anyones,since its an OPINION as to how you see it.Im with your response,you can insure your family or not,you dont need some sort of OFFICIAL validation,whatever the hell that may be. :beer:

vacuum | 04-26-2008 06:53 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. I don't think he was questioning whether there is/will be major shortages, just wondering where the half of the worlds population number came from. To answer the question, half of the world's population lives on less than $2 a day. That basically means that if prices double, they eat half as much. In many cases they aren't eating very much to begin with.

Fullpower | 04-26-2008 07:54 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. In one sense, the one billion or so persons on this shining jewel of a planet that currently wear rags, live in a hole in the ground and eat dirt probably wont have much change in lifestyle with a hyperinflationary economic failure. The friendly warning with which I began this thread was more directed at those of us that can divert some of their resources NOW toward a more comfortable (survivable) future. To me, it boils down to the simplest advice: "Stock up the pantry while you can"

TechGuy | 04-26-2008 08:00 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. Buy now or later. Stocking up is a no lose situation. I have to buy this food sooner or later, and the overwhelming chance is that we will be paying more for it as soon as the oil price increases are factored in. So why not buy now, stock up and save money? AND you have the plus that if something bad happens, you have an emergency supply. I dont see what is so hard to grasp on this!

Lt Dan | 04-26-2008 10:44 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. When ammo was cheap, I bought some, then it went up and became hard to find, now it's hard to find and expensive, somehow I get the feeling I should have bought more. When gold and silver was cheap, I didn't even know enough to buy, then the price started to go up and I found out how to buy and did buy. If it goes back down enough I might buy more again, but............ Food is as cheap as it is probably ever going to be again. The value of the money I have in the bank, just keep declining, (less buying power), even though the amount stays about the same. Fact is, people can and do die of starvation all the time, A lot more people in the world live in what we'd call poverty here in the US. My daughter-in-law is Thai. I bought a storage shed to use as a chicken coop. She told us that a lot of people live in houses smaller and not as nice as what our chickens will be living in. Food in her homeland is survival, if you don't use it wisely you die. We in the US forget about, or are too stupid to believe how people in other parts of the world have to live just to survive. In a real shortage of food, people will die, a lot of people will die. It will be a long time before the end of this recession/depression is over. Few people here, myself included, can remember the great depression and how it effected the world. My Mom lived through it and then WW2 when there was rationing. She used to tell stories about the hoarders and how they were looked on as being the fault of the shortages. Some might have been rumors, but I think it was even back then the gov't manipulating the public to belief what they wanted people to believe. Remember the Democrats were in office at the time and the banks even then owned and controlled the media.

Avalon | 04-27-2008 09:04 AM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. Quote:
Originally Posted by Cjcl (Post 1079930) Thought it would be nice to have a rational conversation. Sorry. Forgot for a minute where I was. You obviously only want to converse with people who agree with you. Should be no problem finding them. As you were.
Not necessarily true. I don't mind talking to people who disagree with the idea of prepping. Many of us live with one...LOL I look at it this way. In this day and age we are almost totally dependent on the system to provide food. It's not like the good old days where we put up our own food and had a pig and chickens in the backyard. Considering we are totally dependent on a fragile system not having any food in reserve is an irresponsible as not having any money in the bank. Even if you are not a big prepper it is just common sense to have at least a few weeks of food. Now we have a new element and that is inflation. Im not sure if you do the Grocery shopping but items are going up every single time you go back to the store. At this point investing in groceries you need makes sense for people who are not even into survival.

CJul | 04-27-2008 09:26 AM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1080362) I look at it this way. In this day and age we are almost totally dependent on the system to provide food. It's not like the good old days where we put up our own food and had a pig and chickens in the backyard. Considering we are totally dependent on a fragile system not having any food in reserve is an irresponsible as not having any money in the bank.
I absolutely agree with you on this. There were some shortages when I was a kid and my mother from as long ago as I remember had cupboards full of tinned food and candles. I don't at all disagree with the idea of prepping. I simply asked where the 'half the people' statistic came from. But it is certainly nice to have a pleasant conversation with you. :beer:

Iptuous | 04-27-2008 10:05 AM
number of people starving in the US Does anybody know where to get the statistic as to how many people starve in the US annually at our current time? (for a baseline) I would imagine it's pretty darned low, but i'd have a hard time believing that it's zero.

Avalon | 04-27-2008 10:34 AM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. let's face it Americans are well padded. Whats really sad is as food prices go up people will just get bigger because they will fill up on cheap fattening food...It would take a while for most people to starve even if there was small amounts of food left. If the system breaks down many people especially in cities would not get a chance to starve to death. Mass riot, looters and violence would get them first. Im sure there will be food in the camps though. There are also a portion of people who rather chance starving then go to the camps..

hypervel | 04-27-2008 10:50 AM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. Yeah, riots if there's a shock to the system-something immediately definable. If things go in slow motion, the people will have time to make adjustments. There might be loads of folks moving to opportunity. We might see "No Americans on the Lawn" signs popping up in other countries (even more). It seems the rest of the world is already having some fairly acute problems-in a shock to their systems. I think oil supply is our Achilles heel-both for price and availability. I understand the Guv is cost modeling using something like $300/ barrel oil as a base. If the price spikes, THEN I think we can get some riots. We can still EASILY outbid the majority of the world on food.

Avalon | 04-27-2008 11:03 AM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. When hurricane Fran hit NC there was moderate damage. No power for a week for most people. I went to the city of Durham to pick my Mother up to bring her to my house. [ a city you would not want to be in even on a good day]There were ice trucks at the mall. When the truck ran out of ice people were chasing it. I saw it with my own eyes and said "oh sh@t lets get out of the city now" That was on day ONE. By day four the people out here in the country were getting hostile towards the men from the power company. They were angry some parts of the county were getting power faster then others. People were being hostile towards friends and neighbors who had air conditioning and water when they didnt. Some people waited two weeks for power. Civilization can break down very fast. Americans don't do deprivation well. Most have never experienced it. Yes we will do better if it comes on slowly. I think we are in the warning period now.

mightyspuds | 04-27-2008 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1080431) Civilization can break down very fast. Americans don't do deprivation well. Most have never experienced it. Yes we will do better if it comes on slowly. I think we are in the warning period now.
Yep,and Katrina also brought out the worst in people real quick.

Osaka | 04-27-2008 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Fullpower (Post 1079700) Half the people alive today will die of starvation.
That's pretty hard to believe. China, Russia and India are used to making due on little food. In Europe and the US people have an enormous amount of things to give up before food. Those McMansions can hold 3 times the number of people currently living inside of them, and gardens can be planted on the lawns. As far the statistics on how many people starve in the US, I've read mortality statistics and starvation is never mentioned. If you take out intentional starvation and/or belemia, and starvation occurring because old people were too tired to feed themselves and their family didn't want a feeding tube, I'd guess the number is very very small, if not zero. As mentioned on GIM previously, there are food banks all around the US, as well as shelters, churches, and agencies to make sure people don't starve.

Dude | 04-27-2008 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Osaka (Post 1080994) That's pretty hard to believe. China, Russia and India are used to making due on little food. In Europe and the US people have an enormous amount of things to give up before food. Those McMansions can hold 3 times the number of people currently living inside of them, and gardens can be planted on the lawns. As far the statistics on how many people starve in the US, I've read mortality statistics and starvation is never mentioned. If you take out intentional starvation and/or belemia, and starvation occurring because old people were too tired to feed themselves and their family didn't want a feeding tube, I'd guess the number is very very small, if not zero. As mentioned on GIM previously, there are food banks all around the US, as well as shelters, churches, and agencies to make sure people don't starve.
Boys on the web will play. Osaka knows better, and so do I.

PdAgAu | 04-27-2008 10:04 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. Half of the population is an unbelievable stretch; however a lot of people are going to die. YT with all his third world loving and kindness isn't going to give up his food. (hopefully, first worlders have become pretty stupid in the past 100 years) I doubt the east asians will either. The third world mostly relies on handouts, so the idea of people used to going hungry is erroneous. You can't live on dirt, and god forbid these people learn how to feed themselves. I will go with the Bible on this one. The fourth horseman of the apocalypse is next in part of the revelations chronology. Revelations 6:8 "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. A worldwide famine (probably engineered) is already coming upon us if you have all been following the news. Here is a good site with a great radio program and the latest food news that the MSM doesn't like attention drawn to. http://www.beforeitstoolate.us/

Krugerrand | 04-28-2008 03:50 PM
Re: FOOD PRICES are low. Quote:
Originally Posted by mightyspuds (Post 1079861) An estimate.You want to challenge someones perception of what may happen? You need proof of everything you prepare for,proof of the future UNKNOWN?? You are in my opinion not bringing anything to the table. Let me ask you,what is YOUR point? You dont want to prepare then dont. If you need 'proof' something WILL happen or you wont prepare,or INSURE,against anything,is fine by me. Grasp this concept,INSURANCE.Look it up. Make sense yet?
CJul merely asked what the statement that "Half the world's population will die" is based on. It's pretty irresponsible to go around making wild statements like that (that's about as wild as they come, no?) without any sort of reasoning behind it. CJul was not challenging the idea of having some food stored for hard times, nor the concept of insurance, and he wasn't asking for proof that half of the people alive today will die (all of the people alive today will die! Woops, I'm a smartass :D). He was merely asking for some reasoning behind such a claim. Here, I will make a thread saying that a human being will sprout wings and fly around the world in less than 80 days within the next five years. When someone asks me "Upon what do you base that claim?" I expect you to come to my defense, get angry, and shout at them something about why do they need proof for everything, and how can they expect me to prove the future, and some other nonsense like that. :wub:

Spectrism | 04-28-2008 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Fullpower (Post 1079923) ONE hundred thirty Billion dollars of economic stimulation will hit the streets beginning next week. Expect a comensurate 4 percent rise in the retail price of ALL consumer goods. When the benefits of this inflationary wave turns out to be insufficient, expect another "Money Drop", slightly larger, to hit the streets around mid october, so as to perk up the citizenry for the november election farce. In response to "rising" energy costs (measured in disintegrating dollars), expect government price controls, first on heating oil, then on motor fuel to begin in january 2009. Followed in February by an emergency "enregy rebate" check for all the good citizens, probably around a thousand dollars or so. Regional heating oil and gasoline shortages ensue. Rationing will be proposed. " Hoarding" will be discouraged, gently at first, then with stiffening sanctions. Independant truck drivers park, walk away..... smaller transport companies fold up. The majors of course will continue with government supplied fuel. Expect the price and availability of all food resources to be affected concurrently. I offer no proof, just my observence of the tea leaves, and projected time line. If you fail to take appropriate steps to feed ,clothe ,and house YOUR family that is YOUR problem. Good Luck to all.
Yeup... I wondered how they would hyperinflate when the economy drags to a standstill. The old "tax-rebate" technique will do the trick.

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Krugerrand | 04-28-2008 07:37 PM
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Aww shux, I was sorta hoping to see what sort of counterargument there could be to what was posted. :wink: Too much wild, loose, mental ejaculation around here such as "Half the world will die!" - and then when someone asks for some sort of substantiation, others literally freak out and jump on their backs accusing them of "requiring proof for future events" and questioning their understanding of the concept of insurance. :bear_tongue: At least it's entertaining. :D

killer2021 | 04-28-2008 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Fullpower (Post 1079700) Food is as cheap as you will ever see it again. " Buy the Dip" Back up the truck, buy as much as you can store. Half the people alive today will die of starvation.
Yea half the people alive will starve to death because humans aren't really mammals, we are parasites. We move to one location and breed until the resources are exhausted then when the surrounding environment isn't suitable anymore we move to another location. Rinse and repeat. Humans never develop an equilibrium with the surrounding environment and hence a constant survival of the fittest will always be pertinent with humans which IMO will always lay the basis for perpetual war (for resources). Those who control those resources will ultimately be the deciders of who lives,dies, and reproduces. The smart won't reproduce because they know we are in a constant struggle of the fittest and if you have too many children you put your own life at risk of lacking resources to sustain yourself. It is better to let someone else (who is stupider) take the risk than jeopardize your survival.

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