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Prometheus | 03-27-2006 03:57 AM
Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Tn Andy has been hammering away at "If you think you'll have to bug out, you'd better do it now rather than later"... He's gotten thru to me. So, how about some job ideas? I am in rapidly closing in on 30 y/o with a wife, 2 kids (8 and 2) and one on the way (last one BTW)... I work in hospitals doing contract perfusion work. This means if I am to continue in my current line of work, I must live clsoe to a major hospital. I must live with 30min to 1 hour of a major hospital because we take call. My other option I can see is working as an EMT. I need to get a lic again because mine expired many years ago. In the middle of no where that means 10 bucks an hour (roughly). I might be able to get my paramedic, which would be atleast another 2-3 bucks an hour. Once again I need to get to school for that. What should I do / what can I do?

Tn...Andy | 03-27-2006 04:13 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location I'll confess man, I'm in a state of confusion about what 'perfusion' is.....ahahahahaa......but I take it it's a medical thing that can be done with about any major med center ? That SHOULDN'T limit you too much, I'd think....assuming you can find openings for that type of work in other hospitals. Heck, here, 30 minutes from the area med center, and you can be in a pretty dang remote and protected place. I'm 15 minutes from one, and in an area I consider about as ideal as you can have east of the Mississippi. Another thought is more training. I recently met a guy that was an EMT, and is now an ER Tech going to school to get his BS in ER nursing......certainly a valuable skill to have in trouble times, and a probably get a job about anywhere. At 30, you have a long working life ahead to think of....might as well make the most of it.

Prometheus | 03-27-2006 04:32 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy I'll confess man, I'm in a state of confusion about what 'perfusion' is.....ahahahahaa......but I take it it's a medical thing that can be done with about any major med center ?
Basically it's a blood thing done in the OR durring surgery. Has about zero usefulness durring a SHTF situation. Of course my prior EMT experience helps alot in that area to make up for it. Also since I get alot of time to watch teh surgeons operate I feel like I can do quite a bit more than the average emt/medic. I thought about nursing, something I'm giving thought to, but costs and time are an isssue for that. I have to keep working full time and an EMT or medic program is part time and can be done in a short period. A 3 year nursing degree will take a long time part time (let alone a 4 year).

Curtman | 03-27-2006 04:45 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location I could set you up good in Washington state and wages are high but the taxes and social programs kill you. I also am leaving the area myself soon for the very reason you are wanting to move from your area, to close to the scourge when it gets ugly and I mean within 100 miles. Where do you want to live? Does your wife home school? Can you convince her to? How Primitive is she willing to start out to have peace of mind? How much money would you be able to pay for a home and say 5 acres? Have you talked to, hmmm I think it was Halo or Hoarder who had some montana property and knew of many others? It pays to hear what some who have studied for years on where will be tolerable have to say. Curtman

Tn...Andy | 03-27-2006 05:42 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus I thought about nursing, something I'm giving thought to, but costs and time are an isssue for that. I have to keep working full time and an EMT or medic program is part time and can be done in a short period. A 3 year nursing degree will take a long time part time (let alone a 4 year).
Costs I can understand.....stretch it out over 5-6 years if you need to...but time is not an issue. You're going to be just as old in 5-6 years if get the degree as if you don't. My brother went back to get his nursing degree in his early 30's. Our local university here has a good program.....and we have more hospitals here than you can shake a stick at.....PM me if you want info. andy

Infidel | 03-27-2006 06:37 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy time is not an issue. You're going to be just as old in 5-6 years if get the degree as if you don't.
I am learning much from you Andy. Thank you

hoarder | 03-27-2006 07:05 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location If TSHTF in 3 years it doesn't do much good to get 3 years of training. I imagine it would not be easy to convince any wife that preparing for WTSHTF is worth lowering your standard of living. I would decide first which states have the best prospects real estate wise and find out what EMT licencing criteria is there. You would be surprised how cheap the cost of living is in the Ozarks. If you get in the property buying mode PM me and I'll give you a few tips. Emploment opportunities are spotty, for example one area I found almost everyone is overqualified and works cheap yet there is only one half decent real estate broker who works his tail off because there is so much work for him...and surveyors are impossible to find for less than $120 an hour.

Book | 03-27-2006 11:27 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Plenty of good-paying jobs HERE and after you make the move you can add to your training. Good luck!

Goldhedge | 03-27-2006 11:40 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus What should I do / what can I do?
A trade is always useful everyplace you go. Finish carpenter is one of the better ones. Why? Because you are inside. You don't lug big heavy boards or sheetrock. It pays pretty well. You see immediate results. However, with the Bush/Fox alliance, so-called tradesmen are flooding in taking jobs Americans don't want. Smacks of these software virus hacks - create the problem (virus = illegal migrants), then sell them the 'solution': (program = National ID card/security). Small scale farming doesn't pay, but you'll be able to eat. Cash out and move to Mexico? I hear they welcome Yankee dollar... :albertein

Bugle | 03-27-2006 11:42 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location I am an EMT in the Idaho outback and it pay's nothing. In Idaho and most rural western states the counties have to provide EMS but can't afford to. So they have to rely on volunteers. If your national certification has expired you will probably have to go through the whole class thats just the way it works. The second time would obviously be a whole lot easier though. Like Book said St Als in Boise has openings. You could live in the foothills of Boise county (the next county over from Boise) and be within an hour of the hospital. In the spring/summer/fall months.

Book | 03-27-2006 11:50 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
I am an EMT in the Idaho outback and it pay's nothing. In Idaho and most rural western states the counties have to provide EMS but can't afford to. So they have to rely on volunteers. If your national certification has expired you will probably have to go through the whole class thats just the way it works. The second time would obviously be a whole lot easier though. Like Book said St Als in Boise has openings. You could live in the foothills of Boise county (the next county over from Boise) and be within an hour of the hospital. In the spring/summer/fall months. -Bugle
His primary goal is to first move his wife and kids to a safe area. Rent a house in Boise [plenty rentals now] while working at St. Al's and later get established with a dream-situation. One step at a time...

Ponce Cuba | 03-27-2006 11:57 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Any training in the medical field WTSHTF will be invaluable and that's why I am having my VA Dr. with his wife, who is a trauma nurse, move in with me when the time comes. I am saying this because I have seen it in person, in Cuba if you have a bottle of aspirin and a box of Band-Aids that makes you a Dr.

Bugle | 03-27-2006 12:09 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by Book His primary goal is to first move his wife and kids to a safe area. Rent a house in Boise [plenty rentals now] while working at St. Al's and later get established with a dream-situation. One step at a time...
Book With all due respect...... He did say he wanted to get to a safer place. While no place is perfect if you are under the illusion that Boise and the whole Treasure Valley won't turn into a cesspool in short order you are decieving yourself.

hoarder | 03-27-2006 12:14 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Compared to most urban areas of it's size, Boise would be a great place to live 30 minutes away from.

Book | 03-27-2006 12:27 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Book With all due respect...... He did say he wanted to get to a safer place. While no place is perfect if you are under the illusion that Boise and the whole Treasure Valley won't turn into a cesspool in short order you are decieving yourself. -Bugle
With all due respect, I doubt that Prometheus, his wife, and kids will turn the whole Treasure Valley into a cesspool. Boise is identified as being one of the Best Places to live.

Bugle | 03-27-2006 01:39 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by Book With all due respect, I doubt that Prometheus, his wife, and kids will turn the whole Treasure Valley into a cesspool. Boise is identified as being one of the Best Places to live.
Book I am sorry if I ruffled your feathers. I'm sure that Prometheus would have a beneficial effect anywhere he decides to go. And Boise is a great place to raise a family in normal times. I thought the thread implied TEOTWAWKI sceniero. And the title does mention remote locations.

Book | 03-27-2006 01:44 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Book I am sorry if I ruffled your feathers. I'm sure that Prometheus would have a beneficial effect anywhere he decides to go. And Boise is a great place to raise a family in normal times. I thought the thread implied TEOTWAWKI sceniero. And the title does mention remote locations. -Bugle
No offense taken. It is very difficult for Prometheus to talk his wife into moving the kids to remote Idaho. My suggestion to first move to Boise would solve the safety issue now. They can thereafter settle into their dream-life. :beer:

hoarder | 03-27-2006 01:49 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugle ruffled your feathers.
Nothing wrong with disagreement. After all, this is a forum. Just because someone might disagree is no reason not to post. Your comment about feathers reminded me of a time I worked in the corporate world. One ambitious fellow suggested I do something a supervisor wanted that was not in stockholders interest and told me "It would be a feather in your cap if.." and I interrupted him with "I don't work for feathers".

wallew | 03-27-2006 01:55 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location If you don't mind LOTS OF WIND, check out Wyoming. They are one of the few states who has a negative population growth. All the young folks are leaving the state ASAP and they don't get a lot of 'retirees', with the exception of two or three locations (Jackson Hole and near Yellowstone). But there are still places there that can be had fairly cheaply. No state income tax. I can't remember but I don't think they actually have a state sales tax either. I could be wrong about that one. BUT, IT'S VERY WINDY! jim

Bugle | 03-27-2006 02:01 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by Book No offense taken. It is very difficult for Prometheus to talk his wife into moving the kids to remote Idaho. My suggestion to first move to Boise would solve the safety issue now. They can thereafter settle into their dream-life. :beer:
Yes these things do have to be done in steps and Boise could be a very good first step. Especially if he likes to go big game hunting. Book you do not have any PM info set up ?

chewy | 03-27-2006 02:04 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location I couldn't take it anymore so I got out of the Portland Oregon area at the beginning of March. I'm out here in the middle of nowhere in Nevada now. My plans to move to Chile in South America in Aug/Sept are still on on on on. But I didn't want to get caught in the "funky shit going down in the city" before then. With my luck the financial implosion everyone thinks is gonna happen would happen the same week I was gonna go south. So I "decamped" to the desert to avoid a mess if I can. I live in a little hick town where people have Dubya bumper-stickers. I still have to go to the library for Internet, I should have satelite Internet soon. It's peaceful out here and a bit boring. I like boring.... Gives me lots of time to prepare. Maybe the worst won't happen, but if it does I want to be a good distance away. I don't see how a major blood-letting can be avoided anymore in the USA.

Book | 03-27-2006 03:55 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
"Yes these things do have to be done in steps and Boise could be a very good first step." -Bugle
Obviously a guy with a wife, two small children with another on the way at age 30 could benefit from a country uncle like Tn...Andy. Otherwise, he and his young wife have some serious things to consider and discuss before moving anywhere. Family, friends, church, schools for the children... Let's all wish him well in his search for Home.

Prometheus | 03-27-2006 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Curtman I could set you up good in Washington state and wages are high but the taxes and social programs kill you. I also am leaving the area myself soon for the very reason you are wanting to move from your area, to close to the scourge when it gets ugly and I mean within 100 miles. Where do you want to live? If I was rich, as far away from it all as possible. Since I need gainful employment, I must really be within an hour of a decent sized hospital. Does your wife home school? No Can you convince her to? Yes, she's a home maker so it wouldn't be a finicial burden to do so How Primitive is she willing to start out to have peace of mind? Not very. She knows that one day S is going to HTF, however until it does she wants most modern things. She's 90% better than most women in this area and doesn't bother me and sometime encourages me in my SHTF preps. No way I'm getting her into a log cabin until SHTF. So I have to have a nice home in the mean time. When SHTf she'll do very well living robinson caruso style, but not until then ;) How much money would you be able to pay for a home and say 5 acres? Depends on my job and how soon I move. I am about 8 months into my original 4 year plan to move. In that time I've saved just over 6k FRNs for a down payment on the new house / land. I am unsecured debt free now and in 20 months I'll be done with car payments as well. Only having to pay utilities and morgage (plus ins.) will allow me to have a nice house with a lower paying job. By the end of my 4 year plan I was looking at having about 40k saved for a down payment and hopefully a few thousand equity in my home on top of that when I sell it. Have you talked to, hmmm I think it was Halo or Hoarder who had some montana property and knew of many others? It pays to hear what some who have studied for years on where will be tolerable have to say. No, I'm not opposed to montana or northern Idaho, IMO that seems like the best place to be. Curtman
My wife doesn't really care where we move to, all she wants is a nice house when we get there. Shes very supportive in all this.

Curtman | 03-27-2006 07:36 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location You are not going to beat the wages on the west coast, the Hunting Fishing and recreation is second to only a few places in the country. Unfortunately the cost of living is higher but if you like to hunt, fish, garden and put up your food either canned dried smoked or freezing you can almost eliminate the biggest part of your expenses. The problem is, though there is no state income tax the property taxes are outrageous. The schools are fair in the bigger population areas. There are places in developments that will set you up with a new house zero down but I warn you, it is a trap. The property here is not cheap any more but you can find deals if you have time to look around. As I said before, I am not staying here. the place is beautiful but the population is getting dangerous. That is just my opinion and I came here 25 years ago with a backpack and $40.00 . It has been good to me but I was alone back then, no kids and not a worry in the world. I could write a novel on my adventure getting me to where I am and maybe someday if I ever polish my grammar I will. Check the St. Josephs medical center in Bellingham Wa. http://www.peacehealth.org/whatcom/ This is a big hospital and will give you an idea what kind of wages you can expect. There are many remote places you can live and hour from there and you will be within 40 minutes to Canada, or skying or Fishing in the rivers or Puget Sound. I had a 34' boat right at the marina there and used to take my kids out to the islands when they were younger. We would stay over night on the weekends on the boat and While they slept I would drop pots for Dungenous Crab and Shrimp and cook them right on the boat eat and drink Red Hook Ale all night long. This was after my kids mother and I split and I liked to hang on the boat thinking about how I was going to raise these kids all by myself. I enjoyed every minute of it and could go for two days without sleep not wanting to miss the calm of the bay when just before sunrise, the water was like a mirrior. Enough of that. You can check out the hospitals and see what you think about the area. I am going to be moving on soon but if you show up here before I am done selling off my property I would really enjoy buying you dinner a few times and maybe showing you around. Will send you some pictures if you like. Look here for now though. http://www.bellingham.net/index.php?&MMN_position=1:1

Ponce Cuba | 03-27-2006 07:45 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Almost forgot Prome., in my one mule town they are building a new hospital and 28 miles away you have a super BIG hospital .....if you are interested let me know and I'll get you some phone numbers :D

Prometheus | 03-27-2006 07:46 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtman I am going to be moving on soon but if you show up here before I am done selling off my property I would really enjoy buying you dinner a few times and maybe showing you around. Will send you some pictures if you like. Look here for now though. http://www.bellingham.net/index.php?&MMN_position=1:1
Thank you for the offer. I don't want to move into WA state because of all the kalifornication spreading I hear about. I have considered moving close to WA state in Idaho, so I can make big shopping trips in WA and avoid sales tax and still keep the lower property taxes in ID. I have a list of some of teh tax rates and states up there where you can live in a no incometax state and shop in a sales tax free state. I can't find it at the moment, but I'll be reviewing that as well. I need to also start floating some resumes out to some of these hospitals.

hoarder | 03-27-2006 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Prometheus My wife doesn't really care where we move to, all she wants is a nice house when we get there. Shes very supportive in all this.
You're lucky to have an agreeable wife. One problem with nice houses in the country is they are often very expensive. Reasonably priced ones often are "fixer uppers" because the owners live in an urban area and don't have the time and resources for upgrading/maintenance. There are lots of vacant properties like that around. Another problem with remote homes is vandalism. This is only a problem for absentee owners and also a deterrent for said owners making a lot of improvements. This can be overcome by living on the premises while making repairs. If this isn't acceptable to your wife you could rent nearby (maybe closer to town) while making repairs in spare time. If TSHTF, you could evacuate the rent house and move to the unfinished country home. The only problem with that strategy is paying out all that rent in the meantime. The first thing to get for your place if you don't live there full time is a large shipping container. That way you can keep all your goodies safe and not have to haul everything out there when you only have 3 hours of work to do.

Curtman | 03-27-2006 07:53 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus Thank you for the offer. I don't want to move into WA state because of all the kalifornication spreading I hear about. I have considered moving close to WA state in Idaho, so I can make big shopping trips in WA and avoid sales tax and still keep the lower property taxes in ID. I have a list of some of teh tax rates and states up there where you can live in a no incometax state and shop in a sales tax free state. I can't find it at the moment, but I'll be reviewing that as well. I need to also start floating some resumes out to some of these hospitals.
Oregon has no sales tax. Bend area is nice and the mount Hood area but I do not know of the hospital situation there. All Californians are not bad guy. I was raised there, it is the liberals that are the problem in all of the west coast states. You give them a right to vote themselves and entitlement and they cannot resist. None of the west coast states are small business friendly also.

Nuggethunter | 03-27-2006 08:14 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Prome ; I live in BFE Nevada, yet the wages are as high as just about anywhere. Housing , land cheap. PM me if ya dont have a prob with Nevada. Chewy , you too.

Ragnarok | 03-27-2006 09:18 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Reading this thread, really touched me. You guys are great, helping out like this. :adore: Restores the (fading) hope in my heart, that the news and events of these times constantly grind away... just wanted to say Thanks. Ragnarok

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Prometheus | 03-27-2006 10:09 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuggethunter Prome ; I live in BFE Nevada, yet the wages are as high as just about anywhere. Housing , land cheap. PM me if ya dont have a prob with Nevada. Chewy , you too.
My wife actually suggested nevada and Arizona in the past, she'd love that... she's not a big fan of the cold, but understands that it'll thin the herd of those unprepared after the first winter in the most northern states. Most mutant zombie bikers won't be riding around in january and feburary come SHTF in Montana and n dakota ;) PM inbound.

Book | 03-27-2006 10:27 PM
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"Reading this thread, really touched me. You guys are great, helping out like this. :adore: Restores the (fading) hope in my heart, that the news and events of these times constantly grind away... just wanted to say Thanks." -Ragnarok
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Phantasmagoria | 10-30-2006 08:39 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location 1 Attachment(s) Bumping this... love threads like this... this may be more sideline gig stuff, but also could happen in a more remote location: I'm also including things your wife may be able to do or help out with (small part time) legit online gigs: * an Ebay Store - as Ebay has proved, you can pretty much sell anything... one man's junk is... another person's soon-to-be junk * online essay-score grader for standardized essays like CAHSEE, NJASK : ETS.org * Google Adwords / online Affiliate programs Other remote work: * Medical copyediting - proofing copy for med textbooks, etc. * Medical transcription * Voiceover work - practice your best dramatic baritone, and query agencies. These cats make good money being the voices in radio ads, corporate demos, etc. * Family/spiritual counseling / coaching - I'm just throwing this out there. Women are often interested in this. If you have a religion or spiritual practice or old-fashioned wisdom, you can "coach" people and charge for it. (Yes, I am on the West Coast, thank you very much... :D) Good luck!

Wyldwil | 10-30-2006 10:53 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/sanders89.html I found a bunch of useful articles here....

Maddie | 10-30-2006 11:02 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Have you considered medical transcription? Your spelling, punctuation, and grammar skills are excellent, and your medical background would serve you well. You would need to live somewhere where you have a reliable, high-speed Internet connection and a provider that is NOT AOL. Other than that, the job is very flexible. Most MTs (medical transcriptionists) work on-line and usually don't even live in the same state as their employers. Some don't even live in the same country as their employers, as Canadian companies hire American MTs, too. It's also a field people tend to enter in their 30s and 40s. There are some serious downsides to entering the field, too. Chief among them is that you would have to train for it. According to a study commissioned when the Department of Labor reclassified the field, experienced MTs (medical transcriptionists) have knowledge equivalent to medical students who have completed 4 years of medical school. You would probably have to work a second job until you got your production speed and accuracy high enough to earn a decent income from it. It usually takes a year to two years to reach a good production speed. The average income for MTs is just under $30,000, but there are many earning more than that. I know MTs making over $50,000, but I wouldn't count on anything over $28,000-$38,000. At any rate, if you pursue the EMT path again, perhaps this is something you could do along with it.

Unclad Lad | 10-31-2006 12:39 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location OK, I looked up "Perfusionist". Cool, but... The way I see it, come SHTF, your very particular skill is unlikely to be usable for long, because of the dependence on the machinery that you operate. Mind you, a smaller, more remote hospital may be able to keep things running longer, but there are a lot of variables. OTOH, everything you've had to learn to get to that position will be very valuable. I'm certainly not going to knock EMT skills, but given your level of medical training I think you should consider a more generalized (and therefore more adaptable) surgical specialty: Surgical Technician. While open-heart surgery will be far less feasible in primitive conditions, surgeries will still be done, or at least attempted. Someone with specific training in equipment and general Sterilization will be invaluable. Autoclaves and sterilizers are relatively inexpensive used, and you can practice repairing them in your spare time, so that you'll be able to keep them working. Many sterilization chemicals store for a long time, too. And don't overlook another source of income as a Surgical Tech-as a trained instrument sterilizer, it is possible to do the rounds at tattoo/piercing studios; a lot of the "artists" would be happy to let someone else do that for them. Setting up services for veterinarians and dentists might be an option, too. Who knows? Maybe you'll be able to set up your own Sterilizing service-buy a step van, load it with gear, and drive a regular circuit from office to office. Sterility is vital, but for most it's drudge work. If you set up your own service, you might even be able to obtain or access gamma sterilizers-you could maybe adapt it to irradiate your own stored foods... (I looked into Surgical Tech at one time-that's how I know any of this)

Sofa King | 10-31-2006 12:50 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location The one thing I know is sofas, but I also know a bit about making untaxed dollars... Try Ebay, or make and sell soy candles... Its easy, pm me. Big dollars, no shite.:character

Prometheus | 10-31-2006 02:04 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location While I sit on my duff for an 8 hour case, those poor scrub techs are standing... It's hard on the body to stand for 8-12 hours a day in one place with few brakes. No way. Lots of problems and no where near enough $$$ to make up for it. Now getting a nursing degree and working in the OR as a circulator and occasional scrub nurse (like a tech, but with an RN instead) would be great. Best nursing position in the hospital IMO. Thanks for bringing this thread back up! I appreciate all the responses... I'm still stuck here BTW ;) Good news is S hasn't HTF and my debt is still going way down. 12 months and I'll be free of the last non house debt... the two car payments...

bl96S5eu | 10-31-2006 02:21 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 401890) 12 months and I'll be free of the last non house debt... the two car payments...
Good job Prometheus, having your overhead down as low as possible is great.

Sofa King | 10-31-2006 03:51 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Sofas are great, take one with you is my suggestion. Nothing like a sofa when you're out in the bush... Great place to sleep, no?

TheSimpleton | 10-31-2006 10:29 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location This may sound stupid but...What's wrong with Indiana? Good soil, reasonable amount or rural property, water and woods available, wind power fairly steady, relatively settled population. As a not un-populated state, there will probably be hospitals in each moderate-sized town. People in KY, TN or AR may be a bit more ornery to outside influence, but it's not a bad thing to be in middle-land, as long as you're outside of the city-scapes. I may be Simple, but to me, MT or NV seem like there's a lack of water, arable land, etc relative to the population. That may be remedied with certain adjustments (in MT not AZ/NV/much of CA: there simply is no water without expensive infrastructure) Although the people may be like-minded in MT, that doesn't put water in the sink. In infrastructure crises, I might prefer a 10m to a 100m well, for your life will depend on it. Don't underestimate where you are. The other thing is knowing "how things are done" where you are, knowing the score, and churches, family, etc. Give it a brushover and see if it works for you. TS

Anty Ep | 10-31-2006 10:56 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location move to western michigan lots of rural areas, but not too far from decent size cities with hospitals lots of good White gentile folks, make great neighbors. Dutch Reformed is a big sect. tons of survivalists, homeschoolers, etc. dont worry about the detroiters in a TEOWAWKI situation. if they manage to walk that to western michigan they will end up eating hot lead instead of corn-

teedub31 | 10-31-2006 02:45 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location I am a little confused here.. Could someone give me their definition of SHTF???? This thread is talking about moving to areas and finding good employment when ever it happens, but it is my understanding that the employment picture is kinda worthless since payment would most likely be in the form of worthless USD (a common thread in SHTF). Why work??? Hospitals ain't gonna have silver and gold to pay you. They ain't gonna have access to food to pay you with. They wil only pay in money, that is worthless. I guess I am just a little lost with this thread topic. Please enlighten me.

bl96S5eu | 10-31-2006 02:55 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location teedub31 having friends that worked in countries with serious currency problems we've discussed their being paid with food during their time in that country. Healthcare will always be needed in some form and if I was a rancher/farmer and needed healthcare and it was accepted I would pay with food. In the case of a food interruption/shortage how much service do you think I could get if I paid with food?

buff01 | 10-31-2006 03:14 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location I don't mean to detract from the original poster's question, but I do have a parallel one-- I'm looking for areas to relocate to (from mexifornia) and I have a few needs that must be met: 1) Land/housing must be reasonable (i.e. nowhere on the west coast qualifies) 2) There must be a medical school nearby 3) Mechanical engineering positions available nearby 4) Must be somewhat rural... I don't mean the middle of nowhere, but I don't want to be in a suburb, and available natural water would be a huge plus. 5) Low taxes and nonexistant state gun laws are a huge plus. The best places I can think of are either North Carolina or Texas... Any suggestions?

hoarder | 10-31-2006 03:23 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by buff01 (Post 402478) I don't mean to detract from the original poster's question, but I do have a parallel one-- I'm looking for areas to relocate to (from mexifornia) and I have a few needs that must be met: 1) Land/housing must be reasonable (i.e. nowhere on the west coast qualifies) 2) There must be a medical school nearby 3) Mechanical engineering positions available nearby 4) Must be somewhat rural... I don't mean the middle of nowhere, but I don't want to be in a suburb, and available natural water would be a huge plus. 5) Low taxes and nonexistant state gun laws are a huge plus. The best places I can think of are either North Carolina or Texas... Any suggestions?
Judging by your "mexifornia" remark there are reasons besides 1 through 5 for leaving Aztlan. That said, neither Texas nor NC are the answer.

TheSimpleton | 10-31-2006 03:55 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location A medical school not in city/suburbs??? How about Vermont? Parts of W. PA area are also getting increasingly rural. There may be schools that are in a city where the city vanishes into the appalachins quite fast. I don't know what that would do during a period of urban flight, but it would be better than nothing. TS User warning: the above was written by a Simpleton

buff01 | 10-31-2006 04:31 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSimpleton (Post 402511) A medical school not in city/suburbs??? How about Vermont?
I know, it's kind of a tall order. I just want to live in a house with at least a 1/2 acre... that's why I said no suburbs. But I know such places can be found. What's really important to me in that respect is just that I not be in a gridlocked megalopolis :) And yes, there are myriad reasons to leave SoCal. I was also considering New Hampshire, you know. FSP haven and all..

Ash_Williams | 10-31-2006 04:33 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Well, if you envision a bad SHTF situation, then no job really matters that much, so I'll assume you'll want an income while still living in a remote location, until TSHTF, after which money won't mean much. If you can take a few years and save, plus invest, the hated old fashioned way (but maybe with a few tips from the PM fans), then you should be able to reach a point where you can live off the interest of your cash. I crossed that line not too long ago, so now my paycheques are not needed and I feel much freer. In my opinion, this is also the only way to "make it" outside of a SHTF situation because it doesn't matter if you make $10/hr or $100/hr... there are only so many hours. The potential is limited and taxes limit it further. I see few people who are better off simply because their wage increased. Although, if you have a family, it could take a lot more saving. I'm a single guy and my biggest expenses are for wining and dining and driving - feeding kids is a whole different ball game.

Green Mountain Boy | 10-31-2006 04:44 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by buff01 (Post 402558) I know, it's kind of a tall order. I just want to live in a house with at least a 1/2 acre... that's why I said no suburbs. But I know such places can be found. What's really important to me in that respect is just that I not be in a gridlocked megalopolis :) And yes, there are myriad reasons to leave SoCal. I was also considering New Hampshire, you know. FSP haven and all..
There's the Dartmouth Medical School in Hanover NH. It's right across the border from Vermont, so you could live in either state.

Unclad Lad | 11-02-2006 12:25 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
It's hard on the body to stand for 8-12 hours a day in one place with few brakes. No way. Lots of problems and no where near enough $$$ to make up for it.
Prometheus, I understand your not wanting to be a Surgery Tech; when I was looking at it I was mostly interested in the Sterilization training, not the OR stuff. So, with your existing training and education, how long would it take to be certified as a Scrub Nurse (or Nurse in general, for that matter)?

aclarky | 11-02-2006 01:13 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Prometheus, I am in a similar situation as you. I'm early thirties with wife and one year old and a contract perfusionist. I've been considering getting training in another field. I was thinking about nursing or teaching. I would like to settle somewhere with a better water supply and a lot less population than SoCal. I'm considering relocating in a couple of years and starting to research places. I'm originally from Upstate NY but I couldn't take the winters again after 7 years in cali.

Prometheus | 11-02-2006 01:41 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSimpleton (Post 402157) This may sound stupid but...What's wrong with Indiana?
I'm less than 25 miles as the crow flies from downtown sickago... I have to be that close for work... If I'm moving, why limit myself to indiana... I don't rememebr if I posted it, but we have no family here. Being in idnaia I might as well be in montanta for practial purposes...

RR_58 | 11-02-2006 02:17 AM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Hi, I live in rural northern PA. The county population is about 17,000 people,Coudersport,the county seat & largest town is about 2,800 people. Population breakdown is about 97% Caucasion. There is a hospital within borough limits...maybe you would be interested in contacting them. As for property,it is pretty much a buyer's market from what I understand. If interested I'll give you more information.

Unclad Lad | 11-02-2006 02:43 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Have you looked at Michigan's Upper Pennisula? A few small cities, abundant hunting and fishing, and a distinctly different attitude from most of the state.

Keef | 11-02-2006 03:43 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location I think the UP of Michigan is one of the best kept secrets in the usa. There is a very secure feeling living on the shores of Lake Superior, almost like living on an Island. I remember being there and thinking if the United States were ever nuked, this is were I would want to be when the bombs dropped. Downside, BUKO SNOW.

Unclad Lad | 11-02-2006 08:04 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location The biggest city up there is Marquette. The 2000 Census showed just under 20,000 people, but it's the location of the major regional hospital, a University, and so on.

Worldmariner | 11-09-2006 05:25 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 204489) I'll confess man, I'm in a state of confusion about what 'perfusion' is.....ahahahahaa......but I take it it's a medical thing that can be done with about any major med center ? That SHOULDN'T limit you too much, I'd think....assuming you can find openings for that type of work in other hospitals. Heck, here, 30 minutes from the area med center, and you can be in a pretty dang remote and protected place. I'm 15 minutes from one, and in an area I consider about as ideal as you can have east of the Mississippi. Another thought is more training. I recently met a guy that was an EMT, and is now an ER Tech going to school to get his BS in ER nursing......certainly a valuable skill to have in trouble times, and a probably get a job about anywhere. At 30, you have a long working life ahead to think of....might as well make the most of it.
Have you considered continuing your education all the way to nurse? you will be MUCH more marketable and employable in pre- or post SHTF scenario. Mone and time well spent for a 30 year old if you ask me. If I had it to do over I would have been a doc or at least a nurse/PA.

bl96S5eu | 11-09-2006 05:34 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Dunno Prometheus, trying to picture you as a nurse changing bed pans. Can see you becoming the 'Angel of Death' with a .45 :D

Silverstone | 11-15-2006 09:29 PM
Re: Help with job ideas so I can move to a remote location Ok, shoot away, but our farrier makes $100 in one hour on our horses, I know he makes about $1000 (cash) in one day out in our area (and I love him, he's awesome, never never ties our horses to trim). He was the foreman for the ranch that supplied the horses for Return to Lonesome Dove (he's from Montana), and he's the guy on the buckskin, he gets like a 20 second shot in the movie). Anyway he only trims for the $100, 4 horses, 1 hour, and that is DAMN cheap! There is a big big need for "natural hoof" farriers, not the Strause method, too extreme, but the Jaime Jackson method is gaining lots of favor (having horses go shoeless but they get trimmed every 5 weeks instead of 8). There is also lots of money in training others to do the trims themselves. You have medical training, there are farrier schools. You can learn the Jaime Jackson method via special instructors. Look it up online. You must not be afraid of large animals, it would help if you knew something about horses, or learned really quick. The problem is, to know horses you have to be around them, but there are things you can learn from a good farrier or school about handling them pretty quick, like about after the first time you get stomped on or kicked. You'll learn. With a few big barns around (with money) if you're good, reliable and show up on time and are patient with their spoiled horses, you can make good money. I'm not saying get rich, and it takes time to build confidence in your new clients and gain a reputation and also to build your client list. It is hard work, but they make some pretty cool stands now for the horses hoofs, better rasps, and if my guy that lost a leg in Vietnam and is about 150 lbs soaking wet and about 50 years old can do it, if you're in good health, you can do it. If you actually get into shoeing, not just the trims (and natural barefoot trims) get the specialized training for the racers. You could make a living off of one big barn (or backup for several barns while training) and those barns aren't typically in the middle of a city although you may have to make scheduled runs into the city. Good farriers are HARD to find, and people that spend big bucks on their horses will pay a good one big bucks to take care of them. *I told my husband that's his next career :offtopic: If I had the stamina and wrist strength (don't after 30+ years of keyboarding) I'd do it myself.

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