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Veritas | 06-07-2006 01:34 AM
Who has a CCW Permit? Just wondering where some of you stand on CCW's and how many of you have a permit. Most ardent 2nd Amendment rights proponents fall into one of two camps. One camp favors the acquisition of CCW permits. The camp says CCW's are just another resource the government will use to track you and your guns down on confiscation day. While CCW's allow us greater freedom to carry, do they also place on a government watch list of "gun-nuts" crazy enough to want to carry concealed?

Quixote2 | 06-07-2006 01:38 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Both me and my wife. Just sent my wife and daughter to a day long training course on handguns.

Veritas | 06-07-2006 01:43 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by BW3 Both me and my wife. Just sent my wife and daughter to a day long training course on handguns.
I love to hear that! Who is giving the course?

Quixote2 | 06-07-2006 01:46 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by Veritas I love to hear that! Who is giving the course?
One of our local firearms dealers. One day a month the course is women only so they do not feel intimidated. The instructor has been shot in a parking lot encounter. Both he and his wife pack at all times. The instructors wife helps in the course, the wife is the competition shooter.

Veritas | 06-07-2006 01:48 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? That's really cool that they offer courses for women. I'm just curious...what type of gun do you have your wife and daughter shooting with? What are they comfortable handling?

travisimo | 06-07-2006 01:50 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by BW3 One of our local firearms dealers. One day a month the course is women only so they do not feel intimidated.
It's interesting how women can be in a room full of guns, handling one, and feel intimidated by the men around.

Quixote2 | 06-07-2006 01:56 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by Veritas That's really cool that they offer courses for women. I'm just curious...what type of gun do you have your wife and daughter shooting with? What are they comfortable handling?
My wife is small framed and could not handle my Ruger KP345 or my Ruger 357 mag security six. I talked to the instructor and bought my wife a 5 shot snub nose 38 Special revolver with rubber grips (Taurus aluminum frame rated for +P loads). My larger framed daughter shot several of the instructors handguns during the session and appears to be most comfortable with the 40 caliber Glock (her husband also happens to own one also).

R MacDonald | 06-07-2006 05:20 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by Veritas Just wondering where some of you stand on CCW's and how many of you have a permit. Most ardent 2nd Amendment rights proponents fall into one of two camps. One camp favors the acquisition of CCW permits. The camp says CCW's are just another resource the government will use to track you and your guns down on confiscation day. While CCW's allow us greater freedom to carry, do they also place on a government watch list of "gun-nuts" crazy enough to want to carry concealed?
Why would one want a "permit" for a RIGHT? http://www.stopboergenocide.com/media/gun~control.jpg

Master_Ho | 06-07-2006 06:03 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by Veritas That's really cool that they offer courses for women. I'm just curious...what type of gun do you have your wife and daughter shooting with? What are they comfortable handling?
I have a Lady Smith & Wesson for a backup gun after asking scores of police and detectives what they use for a backup.......its 9mm and just like the regular one but lighter and slightly smaller. While I have had women shoot my 9mm Glock and they say its alright - they all seemed to prefer the LadySmith (with Hogue grip to reduce recoil). Ho

Master_Ho | 06-07-2006 06:07 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by Veritas Just wondering where some of you stand on CCW's and how many of you have a permit.
Missing from the poll is the response - Want one but can not get one. In the stupid state of California - its next to impossible to get one.....I read once that no one has been given one in years........ Unfortunately, I don't want to carry one badly enough to relocate.......yet. :hmmmm: Ho

crazychicken | 06-07-2006 06:10 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Both my wife and I have a CCW permit. Her weapon of choice after a lot of time with just about everything is a Colt Commander-really done up. 45 ACP. She uses the same weapon in the hop and pop competitions. I carry a Springfield Micro Compact. 45 ACP. The Springfield right out of the box = her Commander. And I spent a bunch getting her's up and running. We have a lot of choices at our disposal but the ones above are the ones always with us.

Ghost Recon | 06-07-2006 06:12 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? I used to work across from a guy who was hired in through one of the temporary services. After a week or so he told me his story. He was caught carrying a concealed weapon and charged with a felony. The court system and his lawyer drained his bank accounts. He spent time in jail or prison and lost his job. His 357 was confiscated. He could not find a job because he was a convicted felon and had to work for minimum wage with a temp service. He can no longer own or buy firearms. Not wanting to have my life ruined, I got the permit......

R MacDonald | 06-07-2006 06:18 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Recon I used to work across from a guy who was hired in through one of the temporary services. After a week or so he told me his story. He was caught carrying a concealed weapon and charged with a felony. The court system and his lawyer drained his bank accounts. He spent time in jail or prison and lost his job. His 357 was confiscated. He could not find a job because he was a convicted felon and had to work for minimum wage with a temp service. He can no longer own or buy firearms. Not wanting to have my life ruined, I got the permit......
Maybe it's time to "deal" with the traitors that swear to uphold the Constitution and do not. How far are you going to run? When is enough, enough?

Ghost Recon | 06-07-2006 06:25 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? RM....Vermont/Alaska style ccw and Fla. 'stand your ground' has been proposed here in OH. The first step is saying good bye to gov. Taft in November. He will have completed his second term so he is out the door. Thank God. Blackwell is the better choice for gun owners. We shall see what happens......

R MacDonald | 06-07-2006 06:26 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Recon RM....Vermont/Alaska style ccw and Fla. 'stand your ground' has been proposed here in OH. The first step is saying good bye to gov. Taft in November. He will have completed his second term so he is out the door. Thank God. Blackwell is the better choice for gun owners. We shall see what happens......
I do have to admit though, I live in a State where carrying concealed WO a "permit" is a misdemeanor. Sounds like it's time for your family (and others) to fight or flee. God bless you and good luck.

Book | 06-07-2006 11:39 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Here in Idaho anybody who can pass an FBI check can get them. Easy in the same office where we get our Drivers Licence. Our Legislature made it plain to law enforcement that Citizens were not to be hassled. Just no big deal in Idaho. :smile:

mtnman | 06-07-2006 11:45 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Yes, I have a permit. Yes, it sucks that we need a permit for a right. Yes, I carry all the time, put it on in the morning take it off in the evening. Yes, I am never more than a couple of feet away from a firearm.

Halophyte | 06-07-2006 11:45 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? I'm not ashamed of my firearms, don't carry concealed, don't need a permit.

Fiat Mutiny | 06-07-2006 12:36 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? My two fists are deadly weapons. I don't need a firearm! Just kidding. A new gunrange is opening up near my home soon and I'll be getting one there. My state has recently done away with the official list of CCW holders, but I'm sure the gov will still have access. I think it was public information before. We have also adopted a law that allows for deadly force to be used in defending ones home or car from carjacking. Before, we had to prove that our life was in danger prior to shooting & killing a home invader or risk being brought up for murder. I know of a few people that are in prison for defending their home. I have met these people personally. I supose one could throw themselves against the wall and plant a knife or gun on the invader if you had to, to prove your life was threatened. Otherwise, if a huge smiling man breaks down your door and politely starts rummaging through your valuables, you could not shoot him. I personally lobbied to have that law changed. I can't say I deserve all the credit, because they normally ignore my requests. Yes, get a CCW. It doesn't mean you have to carry one wherever you go. But, if you have a bad feeling or are going downtown, take your gun legally with you. It's like having an extra "right" that others don't have.

AgAuGal | 06-07-2006 07:14 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? I have taken the NRA class and I have the paper work - just never sent it in. I just don't like the idea of giving them my finger prints. Where in the consitution does it say I have to provide my finger prints in order to claim my right to bear arms? Having trouble finding that rule:rolleyes:

stimpy17 | 06-08-2006 12:00 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? AgAuGal, I don't mean to come off as a snot.........BUT, don't ask, don't tell. I try not to talk about what I have or don't have, how much or where it might be. The idea behind a CCW is the perp never knows who is armed, if the homeowner is armed or if they own a firearm and know how to use it. We now live in the electronic age. Just Google your name, then go to map quest. See? All that we do and say on line is saved forever, no sense in giving out ammo.

smullen | 06-08-2006 12:00 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? I've been carrying my G21 for years... Never took the time to get a CCW...

AgAuGal | 06-08-2006 12:57 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by stimpy17 AgAuGal, I don't mean to come off as a snot.........BUT, don't ask, don't tell. I try not to talk about what I have or don't have, how much or where it might be. The idea behind a CCW is the perp never knows who is armed, if the homeowner is armed or if they own a firearm and know how to use it. We now live in the electronic age. Just Google your name, then go to map quest. See? All that we do and say on line is saved forever, no sense in giving out ammo.
Always wise to be carefull but didn't think i revealed anything more than I am educated, potentially skilled:wink: and at sometime in my life had some paperwork. But your points are good reminders to all.

ASG | 06-08-2006 08:04 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? There should be no permit needed whatsoever. And that is the case in a couple states...

wallew | 06-08-2006 12:04 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by R MacDonald Maybe it's time to "deal" with the traitors that swear to uphold the Constitution and do not. How far are you going to run? When is enough, enough?
---- IS THIS ENOUGH??? Can you believe this one? Who is running this country and if you can excuse me, who is translating the constitution and its laws??????????? What next?? 38 SENATORS VOTED THE OTHER DAY AGAINST MAKING ENGLISH THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF AMERICA-HERE THEY ARE. RIGHT WHEN I GET SICK TO MY STOMACH OVER THE REPUBLICANS, THE DEMOCRATS REMIND ME WHY I CAN NEVER EVER CONSIDER VOTING FOR THEM. ALL 38 WHO VOTED AGAINST ENGLISH IN AMERICA ARE DEMOCRATS. Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Cantwell (D-WA) Clinton (D-NY) Dayton (D-MN) Dodd (D-CT) Domenici (R-NM) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA) Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Menendez (D-NJ) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Obama (D-IL) Reed (D-RI) Reid (D-NV) Salazar (D-CO) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Stabenow (D-MI) Wyden (D-OR)

Veritas | 06-08-2006 04:09 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by R MacDonald Why would one want a "permit" for a RIGHT?
Excellent graphic RM. I am with you on that we need to draw the line somewhere. But the key word is we. Until the day comes when they decide to start door to door confiscations, I just don't see any uniform collaborated resistance happening. But you are 100% correct. We shouldn't need to obtain a government granted permit in order to secure a God-given right.

Veritas | 06-08-2006 04:11 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by Master_Ho Missing from the poll is the response - Want one but can not get one. In the stupid state of California - its next to impossible to get one.....I read once that no one has been given one in years........ Unfortunately, I don't want to carry one badly enough to relocate.......yet. :hmmmm: Ho
Ah, yes. Commufornia. Well, at least when you do decide to relocate, you have to very gun-friendly states just a hop and a skip away - Arizona and Nevada.

Veritas | 06-08-2006 04:15 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by Halophyte I'm not ashamed of my firearms, don't carry concealed, don't need a permit.
Halo, it's not about being ashamed of your firearms. It's about reserving the right to bear arms anywhere you go and not ending up like this guy: posted by Ghost Recon: Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Recon I used to work across from a guy who was hired in through one of the temporary services. After a week or so he told me his story. He was caught carrying a concealed weapon and charged with a felony. The court system and his lawyer drained his bank accounts. He spent time in jail or prison and lost his job. His 357 was confiscated. He could not find a job because he was a convicted felon and had to work for minimum wage with a temp service. He can no longer own or buy firearms. Not wanting to have my life ruined, I got the permit......
Some states don't even allow open carry.

Veritas | 06-08-2006 04:16 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by R MacDonald Maybe it's time to "deal" with the traitors that swear to uphold the Constitution and do not. How far are you going to run? When is enough, enough?
Are you going to take action or are you like everyone else who is waiting for somebody else to fire the first shot?

Veritas | 06-08-2006 04:20 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by AgAuGal I have taken the NRA class and I have the paper work - just never sent it in. I just don't like the idea of giving them my finger prints. Where in the consitution does it say I have to provide my finger prints in order to claim my right to bear arms? Having trouble finding that rule:rolleyes:
Smudge it or roll your finger to the side.

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Veritas | 06-08-2006 04:21 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by ASG There should be no permit needed whatsoever. And that is the case in a couple states...
Could you name those states? As far as I am aware the only state that allows concealed carry without a permit is Vermont.

crazychicken | 06-08-2006 04:39 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Alaska, none needed. Anchorage excluded.

Veritas | 06-08-2006 04:43 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by crazychicken Alaska, none needed. Anchorage excluded.
Thanks. Alaska doesn't sound all that bad. Plenty of real estate, guns, and gold. Figures the capital would have a bunch of idiots (probably from NY/NJ or Cali) spreading their liberalism around the city, infecting everyone around them.

Prometheus | 06-09-2006 12:06 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? I do think getting a CCW puts you on lists. For example when a cop stops your car he knows if you have a CCW permit. That sucks. I have one, because I carry 24/7. being armed 24/7 at some point I'm going to get 'caught' or I might have to use it. The hassel (if not prision time) for not having a permit could ruin my family (I am the sole bread winner). Not worth the risks. Before I was married I carried w/o a permit. The plus side to having a permit, I rarely try to actually conceal my weapon. It's nomally a half assed attempt. I feel the Second Ammendment is my carry permit, but I can't afford to spend several days in jail and legal council at this point in my life. The 25 bucks for the permit is 'worth it' so to speak. As far as a watch list, at this point if you have ever bought a gun from a dealer or bought a box of ammo via credit/debit card you are on a list already. Having 'concealed weapon permit' next to "Has order 25k rounds of ammunition from xyz company, 15k from abc, 5k from ACME..." really isn't going to move me up the list that far.

TruthSeeker | 06-09-2006 05:30 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by Veritas Thanks. Alaska doesn't sound all that bad. Plenty of real estate, guns, and gold. Figures the capital would have a bunch of idiots (probably from NY/NJ or Cali) spreading their liberalism around the city, infecting everyone around them.
There is no permit needed Alaska wide, including Anchorage. A permit is needed ,only, if one is traveling and wants/needs reciprocity with another state. http://www.packing.org/state/alaska/ This site has good info and links for every states ccw program.

Veritas | 06-09-2006 05:33 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus I feel the Second Ammendment is my carry permit.
I think you are onto something here P! I think we should print up some 2nd Amendment cards and carry them at all times. When we get stopped or questioned, we just flash that 2nd Amendment "carry card" permit at the JBT and go on our merry way! Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus As far as a watch list, at this point if you have ever bought a gun from a dealer or bought a box of ammo via credit/debit card you are on a list already.
Not on that list yet! I've always paid cash for such items. Luckily, I've managed to stay off of the "gun-nut militia leader" list thus far. :character

Veritas | 06-09-2006 05:34 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by TruthSeeker There is no permit needed Alaska wide, including Anchorage. A permit is needed ,only, if one is traveling and wants/needs reciprocity with another state. http://www.packing.org/state/alaska/ This site has good info and links for every states ccw program.
Thanks guys! Great site!

melbo | 06-09-2006 07:23 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? I have the permit. Yeah it's BS Yeah I carried for years and years without one. Thought about it one day and decided that if I ever had to draw on someone and drop the hammer, that piece of paper just might have an effect on the Newspaper Headlines. Gunman Fatally Shoots Man While Illegally Carrying a Gun or Man Defends Himself From Would Be Attacker. I think they still teach this in most states CCW classes, You will more than likely be sued if you ever have to use your firearm, having the permit might have a positive side before a Jury

twenty4karat | 06-09-2006 10:09 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by R MacDonald Why would one want a "permit" for a RIGHT? http://www.stopboergenocide.com/media/gun~control.jpg
I have to agree with R Mac on this one. I DON'T need a Permit for a Right that already belongs to me. I've been suspicious of them since they became available. :smile:

Veritas | 06-09-2006 10:17 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by melbo You will more than likely be sued if you ever have to use your firearm, having the permit might have a positive side before a Jury
I was always taught that a dead man can't sue! :cool1:

Veritas | 06-09-2006 10:19 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by twenty4karat I have to agree with R Mac on this one. I DON'T need a Permit for a Right that already belongs to me.
Easy to convince me. Harder to convince a liberal judge.

melbo | 06-09-2006 10:22 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Nope, He's got family and friends that will be contacted within 24 hours for the Wrongful Death suit. Think OJ And if they don't die, Think Bernard Goetz

Veritas | 06-09-2006 10:24 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Wow! So I guess one would need to be sure to have enough ammo to take out the entire family!

Veritas | 06-09-2006 10:25 PM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? On BG - NYC is a bit more liberal than Arizona.

twenty4karat | 06-10-2006 12:54 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus ...As far as a watch list, at this point if you have ever bought a gun from a dealer or bought a box of ammo via credit/debit card you are on a list already. Having 'concealed weapon permit' next to "Has order 25k rounds of ammunition from xyz company, 15k from abc, 5k from ACME..." really isn't going to move me up the list that far.
Always pay cash for ammo. As for guns (also cash only), sure some of my guns were bought through dealer's. However, the gun laws have not always been this controlled. There was a time (not that long ago) when you could buy or sell a rifle to anyone. A hand gun required a simple bill of sale (usually hand written on a piece of paper, no special forms involved). I've purchased many under these condition. So, the odds of those folks I purchased from still having their copy are slim. I still have my copies though. We're talking about purchases made 20-35 years ago. Some of these people have passed on to their reward ( I can think of at least three). One was a young sailor who was in a hurry to get back to his ship (they were scheduled to way anchor shortly). What are the odds that this kid still has his copy. There were others that I accrued as payment of a debt. Even if they do, it's all legal and the information is NOT in the hands of the government. As for the ones that were bought through dealer's, if they come looking for them, that's what they'll find in my gun safe (paid cash for that too). :smile:

twenty4karat | 06-10-2006 01:11 AM
Re: Who has a CCW Permit? Quote:
Originally Posted by Veritas Easy to convince me. Harder to convince a liberal judge.
This is true, but first you'd have to be arrested. :smile: P.S. Check pot my previous blog (#48). You'll understand what I mean.

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