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WAoG | 04-01-2006 12:08 AM
How To Beat N. Korean SWAT How To N.Korean Beat SWAT Teams How to Beat N. Korean etc. Special Forces, S.W.A.T. and Special Operations Groups To enforce tyranny, the systems relies on Special Forces, SSG, SWAT and Special Operations Groups. SSG stands for Surveillance Specialist Group -- that's spytalk for a surveillance team. SWAT stands for Special Weapons And Tactics (i.e. a paramilitary death-squad). Special Forces, Special Operations Groups, SWAT and Special Activities Staff are all military squads that participate in a more advanced training for fighting in unusual environments. They all have a common componant, although each of them have features peculiar to themselves. A major distinguishing factor is the ability to fight in close-quarters with a small group to achieve the goal. They go by a lot of different names around the world. In the United States, each organization has teams with slightly different training and goals, but essentially they are the same. The local police have SWAT teams, and the Army�s Delta Force, the Navy�s SEAL and Naval Special Warfare Development Group, CIA�s Special Activities Staff, the U.S. Marshall�s Service Special Operations Group, the FBI�s Hostage Rescue Team, the U.S. Secret Service�s Counter Assault Team, etc, etc, etc. But a goon by any name is still a goon. Up to now, the lethal combination of SSG and SWAT has proven disastrous for underground activists and their movements in the N. Korea, USA etc. Is SWAT effective? Yes. Does it get results? Absolutely. Is SWAT invincible? No. There is also a big difference between the tactics of SWAT teams and the more military units. To quote Danny Coulson, from "No Heros:Inside the FBI's Secret Counter-Terror Force": "When SWAT officers enter a building, they move slowly and stealthily, taking cover wherever they can find it, using shields if possible and mirrors to look around corners, into closets and under beds." "Counterterror units rush entrances with a blinding, deafening clamor, then engage their adversaries in close-quarter battle, an art developed by the SAS and refined at Delta." "The operators rush into the crisis area tossing stun grenades to disorient and blind the hostages and bad guys." Despite their massive firepower and use of brute force, SWAT teams have weakness that can be exploited. A typical SWAT element is composed of five people -- a Team Leader, a Scout, a Backup, and two Assaulters. The Team Leader is the most experienced of the five. He is the nerve center and tactical command of the team. The Team Leader is in direct voice-contact with the other four members of the SWAT element, who each wear a hands-free UHF transponder with an earpiece and a throat-vibration microphone. The Scout performs on-scene reconnaissance. The Backup carries a 12-guage riot shotgun. He provides security for the Scout. The two Assaulters each carry Heckler & Koch 9mm MP-5 submachine guns. All members of the SWAT element usually carry handguns, often a .45 or 9mm semi-automatic pistol. SWAT members often wear balaclavas for the purpose of intimidating suspects and bystanders. The balaclava also keeps them anonymous -- this is handy because they reside in the same communities whose citizens they execute. SWAT members wear military helmets and bullet-resistant body-armor. These guys are goons in the true sense of the word. They'll kill you and go for lunch five minutes later. It's nothing to them. Because of their myopic training, they figure the solution to every problem is massive application of force, preferably lethal. Once it's arrived on the scene, SWAT never withdraws. In a typical call-out, the SWAT element is reinforced by duty police officers who form a containment perimeter at a distance from the suspect's location. Police snipers may also be present. More than one SWAT element may be on the scene. A Crisis Negotiation Team (CNT) is often mustered. CNT is somewhat of a misnomer, because their actual role is to obtain intelligence for an assault by SWAT -- and to fatally distract the suspect in the moments preceding the assault. Ambulance and Fire personnel are also usually deployed. Know the Language To again quote Danny Coulson from "No Heros": "Black is commando jargon for back. Front is white. Green is left. Red is right" Weakness: Lack of Knowledge of the Terrain. SWAT teams plan for many different environments, but can never know the terrain that they will be going into EXACTLY. You are on the ground there first, do your homework. Scout the building or area completely, and know it like the back of your hand. Find areas of weakness or exposure for incoming SOG teams. Try to lure them into those areas and then act. Weakness: Training. They think of it as an advantage, and it is. Training is the only way to know how you and your teammate will react in any certain situation. However, this advantage can be turned to weakness. The SOG teams have a response for every situation, and that response is PREDICTABLE. Take time to study SOG training, and you will see that they perform standard manueuveres in situations. Apply this knowlegde to your local environment, and you will be able to map out a SOG team�s reaction everywhere in your location. If you are in a building, study widely available SOG manuals for the manuveures, such as: WEAKNESS - Intelligence. SWAT and Special Forces teams rely on intelligence to find and identify targets, which usually(in the case of Special Forces) means paid informants in a city or other locale. They pass their information on to the Joint Operations Command, which has coordinates Special Forces activities, and then the JOC passes the intelligence on to the commanders of the units. TACTICAL RESPONSE - Confusion is the worst enemy of Special Forces. Interrupt the intelligence chain with conflicting reports. Use double agents as the paid informants for the JOC. Broadcast erronous information. SWAT WEAKNESS -- LACK OF MOBILITY. Their combat gear prevents them from sprinting long distances in pursuit of a suspect fleeing on foot. A number of suspects have escaped in exactly this scenario. This is the reason behind the containment perimeter. The regular cops pin you inside the "holding pen" while the SWAT goons methodically stalk you and then dispatch you, preferably from behind. TACTICAL RESPONSE -- If you know the terrain, you'll often be able to beat the containment ring. The cops on the perimeter cover the escape routes and checkpoints. The ring has gaps you can exploit. The cops seldom cover hidden routes that the only the local residents know about. Do your homework. Gather accurate intelligence. And rehearse, rehearse, rehearse. SWAT WEAKNESS -- THEY DON'T THINK. Their training has ingrained them with the mindset that the solution to every situation is force. SWAT is not motivated or inclined to negotiate or compromise. And they never withdraw. TACTICAL RESPONSE -- Plan your operation so that political considerations and/or public relations are more attractive to the authorities than a lethal resolution of the crisis by SWAT. SWAT WEAKNESS --- OVERHEATING. Their balaclavas, gloves, shooting goggles, helmets, and combat fatigues mean that they can easily overheat in urban situations. It doesn't take much activity to get them sweating. Literally. TACTICAL RESPONSE -- Plan an operation that will require lots of physical movement by the SWAT members. Give them lots to crawl over, through, and around. Even big tough guys don't have much stamina when they start to overheat. SWAT WEAKNESS -- PERIMETER OVER-RELIANCE. They always set up perimeter control. They have become dependent on the "holding pen" strategy. In "Blackhawk Down" Mark Bowden notes that while the Delta Force "operators" are highly skilled, battle-tested veterans capable of almost anything, their support and perimeter control team, the U.S. Army Rangers, are generally young, inexperienced, overconfident, and unready for the ugly realities of real combat. The elite "D-boys", as the Delta Force members are referred to, also have a serious lack of communication with the Rangers and other military units. They have, in fact, an almost total distain for them, which aggravates co-ordination problems with the rest of the armed forces. This can be turned to your advantage. TACTICAL RESPONSE -- Post an accomplice (ie sniper) outside their perimeter and SWAT becomes vulnerable to a flanking attack. SWAT WEAKNESS -- ONE TRICK PONY. They are trained to attack fixed targets. They are befuddled and confounded by a moving target. Especially a target they are continually losing contact with. TACTICAL RESPONSE -- Hit and run. Hit and run. Hit and run. Then disappear. Your key to tactical success consists of carefully planned escape routes, accomplice drivers, and prearranged support (ie hiding) from the local population. This was used to great effect in Mogadishu, Somalia, by local warlord forces. After the ambush, U.S. troops were withdrawn, leaving local forces in control. SWAT WEAKNESS -- LACK OF INDIVIDUAL INITIATIVE. Without their body-rig communication sets, SWAT members are lost. UHF frequency range is often less than a mile. Range deteriorates in locations with reinforced concrete and metal debris. TACTICAL RESPONSE -- Forcing or duping a SWAT member to transmit bogus messages over his transponder is an effective tactic for disorienting the entire team. Seizing a transponder and issuing your own messages is effective psychological warfare. Your voice is right inside their heads -- and these guys aren't exactly the brightest specimens our species has produced. Selecting a location that interferes with UHF transmission is a sound tactic. 3 RULES FOR BEATING SWAT: RULE #1 -- Surround the SWAT element, including its perimeter force. RULE #2 -- Fight scattered, never in a compact body. RULE #3 -- When attacked, never stand and fight. Retreat, then counterattack. Some resistance movements hold the view that if surrounded, you should immediately pick the weakest point, focus on it, and make a determined effort to break out. The resulting break in the enemy's line will produce two exposed flanks which you can counterattack, possibly more. Savvy readers and students of American history will recognize these tactics as the same as those used by the natives to maul the British Regular Army in the 1600s and 1700s in colonial America. All things considered, however, your greatest single asset is your ability to choose the location. This means planning ahead. It means being a moving target. It means not sleeping where SWAT can find you. Heed the warning in the training manual of the Provisional IRA -- "Get your defense before you get your offense." --- "Be advised that this post is for information, educational and entertainment purposes only. The writer of this post assumes no responsibility what-so-ever as how this posting is used, abused or mis-used. And if you do talk to your lawyer!":bandito:

Alric | 04-01-2006 12:41 AM
Re: How To Beat N. Korean SWAT My advice would be to try and avoid a fire fight with them. Theres not a single reason you would ever want to get into a fight with them. Even if you won they would just send more in. Its the quickest way to get yourself killed.

REV127 | 04-01-2006 09:36 AM
Re: How To Beat N. Korean SWAT My biggest concern with "dynamic entry" is that the stooges get the wrong address and end up at my place in the middle of the night. I'm not worried about killing them, just containing them so I don't get killed while I call their masters at the police station on the phone. It ain't hard to do, but your house probably sucks. Most likely your house has been designed non-secure either because of esthetic influences overpowering common sense that says a house is supposed to keep the stuff outside OUTSIDE, or else because you have dumb codes in your area that may have been written with an eye towards allowing easy access to dynamic entry teams. Anyway, the first thing is to get rid of all the windows you can. Glass is not a barrier. Anything you keep behind glass including yourself and all the stuff inside your house, is horribly unsecure. If you can't brick or board them up get storm shutters, bars or replace them with thick lexan or bulletproof glass. If you can't get rid of or harden windows then at least plant a thorny bush, cactus or sentry plan in front of the window so it isn't pleasant to climb through. Failing that place a bookshelf or similar in front of the window so it isn't as easy as just leaping right into your house. Next is your door, get a big beefy one, the best you can. Reinforce it with steel plate from the hardware store, dead bolts, whatever you can. Get a steel frame for it. After you've done that and if you can't do that, put something immediately in front of the door, like a couch. When they bust down your door and rush in with their stack formation they'll plow headlong into your couch and hopefully trip all over themselves. If you have a hallway you have to walk through after entering the door then you could hand up some heavy duty fishing net, too. It'd be really fun to see them come rushing forward, not notice the monofilament net until *smoosh!* Imagine the gun barrels all twisted in it! If there is a hallway leading to your bedroom, put another heavy door here to slow them down again. If you can, make it look like that door just leads to a storage closet, that'll slow them down a minute as they won't be intimately familiar with your house. It also helps to have a lot of big dogs, inside and outside the house. They will get shot, which is unfortunate, but better them than you and you'll definately be awoken during the barking, screaming and shooting. Finally put another vault door on your bedroom. Hopefully by the time they've gotten through all this stuff you'll have gotten through to their boss and he's gotten ahold of them and told them to chill out for a minute while they figure out where they're supposed to be. You might try not even sleeping in your bedroom after all that, put a bed up in an attic apartment or something.

Apatriot | 04-01-2006 04:27 PM
Re: How To Beat N. Korean SWAT I think you could do it a lot easier by leaving some eggrolls and bowls of rice laying around. :clap2:

Penny Lane | 04-02-2006 01:08 AM
Re: How To Beat N. Korean SWAT To someone who has actually been in the military or a SWAT team, is this realistic? Curious, it's something I've always wondered about.

Apatriot | 04-02-2006 01:42 AM
Re: How To Beat N. Korean SWAT The training is very predictable,But the part the original post left out is: The spotter/sniper teams are stationary until necessity requires them to relocate for sustained cover of the entry team. Then they always have an air unit that gives aerial observation in real time prior to any type of entry.They also do quite a bit of long range observation and data collection prior to formulating any entry plan. Unless you have a PEWS system,or an an/trc3 system,along with remote eyes and ears,you would not stand much chance of defeating an entry team,because you would not know they were comming. Now,if you were intentionally trying to get them to respond to a location of your choosing............Then you have a chance.

WAoG | 04-02-2006 01:58 AM
Re: How To Beat N. Korean SWAT Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric My advice would be to try and avoid a fire fight with them. Theres not a single reason you would ever want to get into a fight with them. Even if you won they would just send more in. Its the quickest way to get yourself killed.
What did that famous Russia author have to say as he sat in that camp for all those years. They all were ashamed, if only they had put up a fight with anything they had like hammers, knives, shovels anything. They might not be sitting there and others would defiantly not been in the camps. If they just put the fear of GOD in those goons and killed some it would have all ended. WE HAVE GUNS, BIG GUNS. WE CAN GET ARMOR PIERCING AMMO. DO NOT SIT IN A CAMP FOR TEN YEARS CRYING BECAUSE YOU DID NOT USE THEM!! I PRAY I'M UP TO IT. IF NEED BE. My wife WOULD shoot at the goons. She could get herself killed but she would go down shooting. She does not want to sit in any slave labor camp. I would not want her shooting at me, she's not that bad a shot and going to get better as time goes on. Spring is here and its time to practice.

Alric | 04-02-2006 03:19 AM
Re: How To Beat N. Korean SWAT Killing a few of them really doesn't do much at all. Besides your going about it the wrong way, like I said you want to avoid a straight up fire fight with them at all costs. A better way, lure them into a building full of explosives, your not there, they go in and you take out the entire building and their whole team. Now that would scare them. Better yet figure out who is in the team, follow them home and assassinate them while they are asleep. Even better, go and find their boss and kill him. Now if you want to ambush them, you don't want to get surrounded, you want to surround them. Have to ask yourself what your goal is. I am sure getting yourself killed isn't one of them.

WAoG | 04-02-2006 03:36 AM
Re: How To Beat N. Korean SWAT Quote:
Originally Posted by Apatriot The training is very predictable,But the part the original post left out is: The spotter/sniper teams are stationary until necessity requires them to relocate for sustained cover of the entry team. Then they always have an air unit that gives aerial observation in real time prior to any type of entry.They also do quite a bit of long range observation and data collection prior to formulating any entry plan. Unless you have a PEWS system,or an an/trc3 system,along with remote eyes and ears,you would not stand much chance of defeating an entry team,because you would not know they were comming. Now,if you were intentionally trying to get them to respond to a location of your choosing............Then you have a chance.
You just said they do quit a bit of long range observation and data collection prior to entry. They always give them self's away, if you know what to look for. That means you can relocate or ambush them if you have the balls. These are goons are not all that smart. Some people can smell them a mile away. If you know they are coming for you be sitting at their house. When your lookout says they entered your propriety you enter theirs and don't stop entering theirs till you are exhausted. Then to your hide out. Know were the goons live. Send a Message. If they are coming to your property to put you in a camp or kill you, steal your gold and silver, grab your wife for slave labor. Well its war and I will not say what you should do to their loved ones. I will say this, I would plan on taking no prisoners.

Apatriot | 04-02-2006 05:02 PM
Re: How To Beat N. Korean SWAT If it is about declared war on them,then the whole equasion is changed. I would not even worry about them responding to a call unless i was the one who made the call to bring them where i wanted them. Then all bets are off.you have total suprise,you know what they are walking into because you have set it up that way. They are now only calves comming to the slaughter house of your making. In a scenario such as this,you should win with very little difficulty. Now,after you have whiped out their elite SWAT team,what do you do next? Do you go to ground and celebrate? Or do you stay on the offensive while the morale of the opposition is fragmenting? How far do you take it?..............................

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