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Ash_Williams | 05-09-2006 07:33 PM
Getting freeze dried in Canada. I am in Canada and it seems to be hard to find a local supplier of freeze-dried food. I am after something with the 30 year shelf life, so it will last until it is needed or I am dead. I don't like the idea of waiting months for an online order to come in, or how they may substitute "items of equal or greater value". I want somewhere where I can drive, drop a few grand in cash, and load up my truck. There is a mountain house supplier in Toronto, but they only sell the pouches, no cans. Apparently pouches only last 3-5 years. I tried my first dehydrated meal today. Surprisingly good. Better than most of the stuff I can cook, and faster too. Also cheaper than fast food!

JC Refuge | 05-09-2006 10:53 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Cousi, I can set you up with as much Mountain House food as you like if you want to drive to Oregon. Similarly, if you want to drive to the Twin Cities in Minnesota, you could pick up an order here. I am likely to give you the best prices you'll find anywhere. Email me to let me know what interests you: jcrefuge@safecastle.net - Another option, perhaps if you want to make your drive as short as possible, is to have the order shipped elsewhere in the U.S. (friend, relative, UPS Store address or the like??) and then you can drive it home from there.

drewk4 | 05-09-2006 10:59 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. I wonder what if any duty the border would try sticken us for.

Ash_Williams | 05-10-2006 07:18 AM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. I think there may be problems at the border, they have some rule about taking food across. I'll look into it. It might be an option, except I'd need a couple days to make the trip!

drewk4 | 05-10-2006 08:27 AM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. I would love to pick some up but the border thing bugs me. Let us know.:ARMS1:

JC Refuge | 05-10-2006 08:32 AM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. As I understand it, customs regs prevent most food from being shipped/mailed into Canada. However, there is no problem for an individual driving their own food over the border.

Ash_Williams | 05-10-2006 12:33 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. It might make the most sense to get an address in NY, since even Minn. is a long-ass drive and the gas for my Suburban will cost more than the food. Anyone else here in Ontario? Maybe we can work out something to lower everyone's cost and inconvenience. How much would a 1 year's supply weigh? I'm after what I see on the websites, 3 meals a day for 1 year for one person. Or if someone else in Ontario wants to take the long drive, I'd throw in a few hundred to pick up my order too...

JC Refuge | 05-10-2006 12:47 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Quote:
Originally Posted by Cousi It might make the most sense to get an address in NY, since even Minn. is a long-ass drive and the gas for my Suburban will cost more than the food. Anyone else here in Ontario? Maybe we can work out something to lower everyone's cost and inconvenience. How much would a 1 year's supply weigh? I'm after what I see on the websites, 3 meals a day for 1 year for one person. Or if someone else in Ontario wants to take the long drive, I'd throw in a few hundred to pick up my order too...
Cousi, have a look at my two standard packages listed here: http://stores.ebay.com/REFUGE-offere...QQftidZ2QQtZkm The discounted prices I can get you (don't buy thru the store for these prices) are: $2399 for the 150-can package $759 for the 48-can package As for how much they weigh--by the case, the weight ranges from 8 pounds to 26 pounds. Average is about 14 pounds. So the 25-case/150-can package weighs roughly 350 pounds. As for hauling it in a Suburban, this would probably be close to a full load. Visualize 25 cases of food on a standard pallet--about 3 feet high. Each case is 19 x 13 x 8.

keehah | 05-10-2006 12:56 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Just went through the whole Mountain House and border thing myself yesterday! Nothing local to Canada I found that comes close to Mountain House. Phoned the Toronto distributor and found the same problem. Used the Mountain House site to find local dealers in northern Wash. (so I could drive across the border and pick up). The Bellingham dealers also only sell the small packages. Phoned Mountain House and they told me that as a manufacturer they have too much red tape to sell in Canada but their main mail order dealers (in Utah) have no problem shipping to Canada. The lady at Mountain House suggested <http://saratogatradingcompany.com> or (some squirrel company that escapes me now). Made my order from Saratoga yesterday. (45 full days and 1 year of veggie #10 cans. Don't expect problem at customs for canned food. Maybe not even any duty since food is not taxed (retail) in Canada.

JC Refuge | 05-10-2006 02:19 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. :wink: Just want to point out the obvious--Saratoga Trading's prices are about 30% higher than ours. Two--I have to be blunt--look very carefully at what is represented anywhere as one-year's supply of food. Fact is, even if you have supplemental high-fat/high calorie foods on hand in addition to Mountain House, you want to plan on having two servings of Mountain House food for each of three meals a day to reach a minimal caloric and nutritional intake most folks today need. What that means is, you ought to figure on more than 200 #10 cans of the better, substantial varieties of Mountain House food to get one person through one year. Sorry--I just want to make sure folks take a close look at what it is they are buying and understand what they are getting.

Ash_Williams | 05-10-2006 06:31 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. It says on your ebay site that you do ship to Canada. If I pay the higher price and order through there, can I get the food shipped? Would the price go up or down if I wanted to replace the non-entree cases with veggie cases? A girl I know is a vegetarian, and I'd like her to survive too, if we ever end up needing the food.

JC Refuge | 05-10-2006 08:32 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Quote:
Originally Posted by Cousi It says on your ebay site that you do ship to Canada. If I pay the higher price and order through there, can I get the food shipped? Would the price go up or down if I wanted to replace the non-entree cases with veggie cases? A girl I know is a vegetarian, and I'd like her to survive too, if we ever end up needing the food.
Most products, yes, I ship to Canada and do the necessary paperwork. Last time I researched this, I came up with Canadian Postal Regs that prevented me from shipping food like this into Canada. I'm going to research whether I can use Fedex and if that would make a difference. Will get back on this.

JC Refuge | 05-10-2006 09:40 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Well, I just digested more Canadian legalese than I can handle. Following a trail of bread crumbs from agency to agency, I ended up at the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. If I understand at least one issue where the holdup might be in getting a shipment into Canada, it is probably that the cans would not be labelled in accordance with Canadian law, regulating nutritional/ingredient info. US labelling is not adequate. So for those companies that can ship the stuff to Canada, I can only guess that they relabel the cans and have jumped through all the other regulatory/approval hoops. (Again, I did find info that asserts bringing over food that is for your own personal use is fine ... and I believe is duty-free. But it would be worth calling someone in the know the verify that.) Bottom line, unless I can get better direction on the issue, I don't want to chance losing a shipment at the border because of some little regulation. Yep--Canadian Customs is known for being meticulously overbearing. And we are talking shipments that are costly enough that neither buyer nor seller wants to risk losing it. I can of course yet ship to US addresses if that still interests you. And yes, we can do any type of package you'd like. The preselected packages are just there for convenience sake. Let me know what entrees you want and I'll quote you your price. Email me at jcrefuge@safecastle.net

Lore | 11-21-2007 05:13 AM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Bump. Any Canadians who care to share their preferred source/s? Any/all thoughts appreciated.

keehah | 11-21-2007 12:49 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash_Williams (Post 243013) I think there may be problems at the border, they have some rule about taking food across. I'll look into it. It might be an option, except I'd need a couple days to make the trip!
I've order twice from Saratoga Trading company to Canada. Last time was mainly the canned freeze dried meat as I can get the rest locally. Other than the standard criminal high UPS brokerage charge and GST that should not have been applied to the entire order, I've had no problems and received my Mountain House order in less than two weeks. Anyone have a source for canned cheese up here?

Ghost Recon | 11-21-2007 03:00 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. In all probability, any other brand would have spoiled by now: http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070917.htm from experience, the Beef Stroganoff, Rice& Chicken and pork chops are all excellent. I could eat that stuff every day. The Beef Stew and eggs are a bit bland but others like it...

Lore | 05-17-2008 06:10 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Bump. Any new Canuck suppliers? The nearest thing to a local alternative on the West Coast seems to be Mountain Equipment Co-op. (sigh)

keehah | 05-28-2008 07:03 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Lore, a few miles east of MEC is Famous Foods on Kingsway. THE spot to get the appropriate bulk foods (steel cut oats, not just oats, wheat berries, TVP, etc., etc., etc.). You do need to do your own packaging though.

Unclad Lad | 05-29-2008 01:55 AM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Quote:
customs regs prevent most food from being shipped/mailed into Canada. However, there is no problem for an individual driving their own food over the border.
Tell them you're picking up several months worth of Kosher food. :D

Old Steel | 05-29-2008 02:11 AM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Quote:
Originally Posted by JC Refuge (Post 243270) Cousi, have a look at my two standard packages listed here: http://stores.ebay.com/REFUGE-offere...QQftidZ2QQtZkm The discounted prices I can get you (don't buy thru the store for these prices) are: $2399 for the 150-can package $759 for the 48-can package As for how much they weigh--by the case, the weight ranges from 8 pounds to 26 pounds. Average is about 14 pounds. So the 25-case/150-can package weighs roughly 350 pounds. As for hauling it in a Suburban, this would probably be close to a full load. Visualize 25 cases of food on a standard pallet--about 3 feet high. Each case is 19 x 13 x 8.
All i see at the link you provided are non hybrid seeds in cans. I am interested in the 48 can package if you could provide a link. Thanks

Mone | 05-29-2008 08:09 AM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. I have had difficulties finding powdered eggs in Canada (a food storage staple, IMO). Anyone have any luck here? I have just found this link but haven't had time to call yet: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...73/ai_n6359656

Mone | 05-29-2008 01:51 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Ooooooooooooooh- these guys ship to Canada!!!! http://www.mredepot.com/servlet/StoreFront?sfs=fc832645 Yay MRE Depot!!! Placed my first order- case o' powdered eggs, case o' canned butter, case o' canned cheddar cheese, case o' mixed meat. Yeah baby... They take paypal, too. :D Let's see how things fare with the border B.S. Quote:
International Orders: We currently ship to the United States and Canada only. We regret that we are not able to accept international orders from countries other than Canada at this time due to export regulations on many of the food items we carry. We require a U.S. or Canadian shipping address and a credit card issued by a U.S. or Canadian bank or institution. Money Orders for Canadian orders must be in US funds. Taxes for California residents are included in the pricing for all non-food items. Taxes and duty/importation fees for Canadian orders are the sole responsibility of the customer.

Mone | 05-29-2008 05:05 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Hmmmmm... Just got an email from MRE Depot. My order shipped out less than 2 hours after placing it. Good sign so far. Fwiw.

Mone | 06-04-2008 03:14 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Update: En route and due friday. I have received an email message stating that extra fees are due upon delivery. No idea how much. I think I paid like 80 clams already. I'll give a final total if anyone cares... Tracking info across the border (fwiw): Quote:
RICHMOND, BC, CA 04/06/2008 0:50 DEPARTURE SCAN RICHMOND, BC, CA 03/06/2008 17:53 A HOLD HAS BEEN REQUESTED. PAYMENT MUST BE MADE PRIOR TO RELEASE / THE RECEIVER HAS AGREED TO ACCEPT THE DELIVERY CHARGES 03/06/2008 17:53 REGISTERED WITH CLEARING AGENCY / RELEASED BY CLR AGENCY. NOW IN-TRANSIT 03/06/2008 16:58 IMPORT SCAN 03/06/2008 15:11 REGISTERED WITH CLEARING AGENCY / SHIPMENT SUBMITTED TO CLEARING AGENCY 03/06/2008 14:30 ARRIVAL SCAN FREDERICTON, NB, CA 03/06/2008 16:28 THE SHIPMENT IS BEING HELD BY BROKERAGE FOR REASONS BEYOND UPS' CONTROL REDMOND, WA, US 03/06/2008 5:19 DEPARTURE SCAN 03/06/2008 1:12 ARRIVAL SCAN PORTLAND, OR, US 02/06/2008 21:09 DEPARTURE SCAN 02/06/2008 8:07 ARRIVAL SCAN ROSEBURG, OR, US 02/06/2008 3:25 DEPARTURE SCAN ROSEBURG, OR, US 31/05/2008 1:54 ARRIVAL SCAN WEST SACRAMENTO, CA, US 30/05/2008 15:46 DEPARTURE SCAN 30/05/2008 13:00 ARRIVAL SCAN RICHMOND, BC, CA 30/05/2008 3:28 A HOLD HAS BEEN REQUESTED. PAYMENT MUST BE MADE PRIOR TO RELEASE LOS ANGELES, CA, US 30/05/2008 3:16 DEPARTURE SCAN LOS ANGELES, CA, US 29/05/2008 22:39 ARRIVAL SCAN ALISO VIEJO, CA, US 29/05/2008 21:34 DEPARTURE SCAN 29/05/2008 20:01 ORIGIN SCAN US 29/05/2008 19:17 BILLING INFORMATION RECEIVED

Mone | 06-05-2008 01:07 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Final "report" on my order from MRE Depot to Canada... Arrived today all aforementioned items- total was 60+ lbs. Shipping charges were about $80, border/import fees another $60. Worth it??? This time... I ordered items I could not find elsewhere. Would I do it again? Not the canned meat items- I can find that locally. I would do the canned butter and canned cheese again. Some other time. Other than border fees no border B.S. whatsoever. All- fwiw.

Jonas Parker | 06-05-2008 02:04 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Ash, if you're "starting from scratch", then get the basics first: rice, wheat, beans, dried peas, rolled oats, corn, sugar, salt, etc. You should be able to buy the wheat, corn, and rolled oats from your local feed store, than pack it yourself in mylar bags and 5 gallon plastic buckets with either dry ice or diatomaceous earth (food grade) and a silica gel dessicant. Seal the lids on the buckets with silicon caulk. Rice, beans, and peas can come from the Canadian version of "Sam's Club" or "Costco", or even a local food co-op. Once you've got the basics, then spend what you can afford on the fancy canned dehydrated food, or buy a grain grinder, a food dehydrator and a pressure canner like we did and hit the local garage sales for canning jars. You'll save a whole lot of money doing it yourself.

Mone | 06-05-2008 03:01 PM
Before I forget... MRE Depot 10% off promotion code: BEGA. Use it when you check out. Good on all items (they say).

JC Refuge | 10-21-2009 12:10 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. It's been a while in coming, but at long last, Mountain House cans are available in Canada: http://prepared.pro/canadianmountainhouse.aspx

Professur | 10-21-2009 12:24 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. About flammin' time.

skid | 10-22-2009 12:11 AM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. JC, Are the products shipped from Canada, or from the US with duty/GST/etc. extra?

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Professur | 10-22-2009 12:29 AM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. says from a distribution house in Ont.

JC Refuge | 10-22-2009 08:24 AM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Correct--the food just arrived in Canada at our distributor's warehouse. The prices listed are all you pay. Shipping is free--nothing else is added to your price.

Professur | 10-22-2009 08:34 AM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. I'd like the thank you guys for the effort involved in this. I know it's a limited market and a load of work, but it's appreciated.

Ash_Williams | 10-22-2009 10:08 AM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Hey this thread brings back memories. I ended up ordering through nitro-pak at a discount with discounted shipping. I'm glad to see my next order will be simplified.

skid | 10-22-2009 09:30 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Quote:
Originally Posted by JC Refuge (Post 1985663) Correct--the food just arrived in Canada at our distributor's warehouse. The prices listed are all you pay. Shipping is free--nothing else is added to your price.
I appreciate your efforts to supply us canucks! When does the canned butter and cheese become available? Skid

Hugo Chavez | 10-23-2009 09:50 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. I have had food shipped to Canada before. Many different kinds (including canned butter/cheese). There seems to be no problem whatsoever with getting it here... except the assraping on shipping/FEES. Ow.

ShortJohnSilver | 10-23-2009 10:41 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Note that the best way to buy stuff from the USA, is to drive to e.g. Buffalo, find a local freight forwarding/moving/warehouse place, or even a Mailboxes Etc. although I thin they are now called UPS Stores now... arrange for them to hold your stuff. Order in bulk, everything from soup to nuts to Amazon.com etc. make a trip down every two weeks or so.

JC Refuge | 10-25-2009 10:41 AM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. Quote:
Originally Posted by skid (Post 1986829) I appreciate your efforts to supply us canucks! When does the canned butter and cheese become available? Skid
The cheese and butter is not likely to come available soon as there are some very strict Canadian dairy protection laws in place. I just spoke with my supplier about this again a week ago. The problem is, more often than not, when a shipment is seized, it does not get returned--it is destroyed. Big loss for someone--usually the shipper. The deal with getting food and most other products into Canada from the US, commercially speaking, is that there are often huge duties and taxes that are assessed .... my experience (and my suppliers concur) is that they are applied inconsistently, so so it's very difficult to manage pricing disciplines--very risky. I've had surprise duties assessed that came back to me that effectively more than doubled my cost on a product. When a seller has that happen once or twice, we tend to learn our lessons and find safer markets. Or, we look for safer approaches. In this case, this Canadian distributor assumed the risks and jumped through all the legal hoops to get MH cans in-country. It took a good while to manage all the details, but they have the food on hand and they are shipping it within Canada now for us.

Txkstew | 10-25-2009 11:02 AM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. What happened to NAFTA? Doesn't it apply to Canada? I guess it only applies to us poor schmucks in the U.S.A. The butter and cheese is coming from New Zealand and Australia. They, and Canada are Common Wealth countries. Isn't there free trade between Common Wealth countries? Freeze Dried food has been priced out of my range. I'm glad I bought all of mine two years ago. I thought it was over priced back then. It takes two servings to feed a grown man. There are 10 servings in a can (5 man sized) for over $30.

JC Refuge | 10-25-2009 05:50 PM
Re: Getting freeze dried in Canada. It's worth providing accurate per meal costs here for MH food. At list price in the USA, if you purchase a wide variety of foods, you can figure a double-serving meal costing $4.60 (US$), assuming no shipping costs. A bit more in Canada. MH canned food, when purchased during a 25%-off sale and with free shipping costs $3.50 per double-serving meal. As with everything else one spends money on--value is relative.

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