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Copperhead | 05-06-2007 06:07 PM
The Comming Starvation In America The Coming Starvation In America By James P. Wickstrom http://www.theantechamber.net Antechamber. net 10-3-5 The government of the United States, by Law was to always maintain a three year mixed- grain survival storage for every man, woman, and child in the United States. Like most Laws of the land, the politicians never took heed as to why our wise ancestors had this reserve requirement established. It was to make sure, that, in the time of a National Emergency, the people had the most important mainstay needed for survival individually and as a Nation. Remember, the people make the Nation, the Nation does not make the people. In the 1960's and 1970's the different political administrations of Washington, D. C. walked away from sanity and started to give the surplus grains which where in elevator storage all over the country, to other nations, such as the Soviet Union, India, etc.. This continued over two decades, until the elevators were empty and the reserve of grains that were in reserve as per a national crisis.... were gone. Of course this was done as to enhance international "friendship" with other nations, even if those other nations were self-admitted enemies of the United States. Remember, there was enough grain in storage, paid for by the American tax- payer, to last the masses inside the United States for three full years, if need be. But now it all is but gone! By 1996, the United States Department of Agriculture (U. S. D. A.) claimed that there was enough food in ware-house storage to last every man, woman and child in the cities a 3 day supply and a 5 day supply for every man, woman, and child in the countryside, should a great national emergency occur. In other words, if food trucks stopped running, the food supplies for the masses would be 3 days in the cities and 5 days in the countryside. In 2003, the U. S. D. A. stopped measuring for "days in reserve" of food for every man, woman, and child in the United States because the amount of food in storage in the United States dropped under a 1 day food supply for every man, woman, and child in the United States. Thus, the U. S. D. A. started to measure in individual pounds as to how much food was in the food-chain per person in the United States as per 300 million people. In 2003, there was 77 pounds of food per person in the warehouse food- chain in the United States. What this means, is that during a national emergency, only 77 pounds of food per person is available before all food is TOTALLY GONE in the United States. By September of 2005, there is now only 15.7 pounds of reserved foodstuffs in the food-chain for every man, woman, and child in the United States. This means that there has been an 80% decrease in the past two years. That decrease is becoming greater with every passing day in the United States. Of the 15.7 pounds of warehoused reserved food-stuffs, 11.0 pounds of the 15.7 pounds consists of unprocessed wheat. The rest of the 15.7 pounds of survival foods in storage for every man, woman, and child, totaling 4.7 pounds, consists of the following foods: 1. Non-fat dry milk 2. Cheese 3. Corn by the bushel 4. Peanuts by the pound 5. Lentils by the pound That's it folks ! . . . This is what the District of Columbia has set aside representing the 15.7 pounds in the survival food-chain for every man, woman, and child to stay alive on. This is not a daily supply, this amount represents the total food everyone will get for .... how long, who knows! The U. S. D. A. Crop Production Report per September 12, 2005, contained said information, and this information was brought forth by Alan Guebert of the Farm & Food Report. Collective communist farming failed in the Soviet Union and communist China, and the present form of Collective Farming (paying the farmers not to grow food) has totally failed in the United States. Mr. Guebert also stated, that one more disaster as the likes of the hurricanes Katrina or Rita against the United States, or anything to compare to such in whatever way, would create such a food panic, it would make the New Orleans rioting look like the Mardi Gras. The United States Government for the past 75 years has been driving the United States deeper and deeper into the realm of communism. The United States is financially broke, the farms are broken down, the Nation has been de-industrialized, and the outsourcing of jobs continues to this day. Both corrupt federal administrations, the Democrat and Republican eat off the same plate. They have labeled that plate; "Screw the taxpayer, each and every one of them." Our European ancestors were very wise, honest and full of common sense. They had food cellars where they had food canned, that could last them well over a year, insuring them that they would be able to plant a crop the following summer, and still be able to survive waiting for crops to mature and harvest. They did not rely on the corrupt politicians who are liars and thieves. But as I said, time passed by and the people put a false trust in their elected and appointed public servants thinking that these same people were looking out for their personal interests. How sadly wrong the people were then, and still are. In conclusion, I highly suggest that you pull your head out of the sand, check your food supplies, and if you do not have 6 months to a years food in reserve, then you had best sell something or do whatever you have to do, to immediately prepare yourself and your loved ones for safety. If you can store two years at this time: DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE! Remember, the 15.7 pounds of food in reserve is becoming less by the day, and at the present rate of speed, the United States is heading to what is called.... meal to meal. One more major disaster will drive the United States to its knees. The federal government, for itself, has millions of tons of preserved foods stashed away in underground storages, but this food is not for the masses, unless they surrender their firearms, and then they will get a food coupon from the *feds* to buy out of the federal government food warehouse wherever it is set up in your area. ............. has always subjected and controlled the masses using FOOD. Remember, FOOD CONTROL IS PEOPLE CONTROL. New Orleans was your cue: Now prepare! You have been warned. Your blood is off my hands! James P. Wickstrom

Veritas | 05-06-2007 06:09 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America ....and the Mormons shall inherit the Earth.

Maddie | 05-06-2007 07:10 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America Quote:
Originally Posted by Veritas (Post 598326) ....and the Mormons shall inherit the Earth.
And "redneck gun-nut survivalists" will inherit the south! It never fails to amaze me that we who do prepare as a precaution, the same way everyone's ancestors did not so long ago, are the ones deemed "crazy." In a world where people fear 30 seconds of second-hand cigarette smoke exposure like it's a certain death sentence, where it's unlawful to drive without one's seatbelt buckled, where we all saw the broadcasts of Katrina and learned that the government couldn't even handle the evacuation of two hospitals in a single city during a disaster, where we all saw videos of President Bush looking dazed and unresponsive as someone whispered to him that a terrorist strike had been made against the US, it seems incredulous to me that the person who prepares for the big stuff, like the interruption of a fragile food supply line, is the one considered crazy, and the person who is convinced that nothing will ever happen to us (not like those other poor saps in other times and places) is the one considered sane.

Tn...Andy | 05-06-2007 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 598381) And "redneck gun-nut survivalists" will inherit the south!
As one of the aforementioned individuals, I plan on you being right. :D

Kahlil Gibran | 05-06-2007 09:02 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America Copperhead warns us of the Reality in America. America once held over a year's storage of grain in Silos in every state. Now our just-in-time distribution system has 10 days of food in the pipeline. WTSHTF the local grocery store will be cleaned out in an hour. Nothing in the "warehouse" for backup. Maddie as usual just posted stuff in this thread that makes us envy her husband. Profound common sense that just isn't so common anymore. :congrats: time to check on our beans, bullets, and band-aids.

Ghost Recon | 05-06-2007 09:17 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America 77 lb in 2003, 15.7lb in 2005.....probably down to 8lb today. We're probably a dozen hot meals away from total chaos....

Kahlil Gibran | 05-06-2007 09:18 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America The whole food distribution system has gone Just-In-Time with nothing in any warehouse. I was a Distribution Center Manager for McDonald's in California and Canada in 1975-77 and they had 3 days tops in the warehouse. Grocery stores the same deal. They get deliveries twice-a-week now. There is no "warehouse" behind your grocery store. America's food warehouses are now on 18 Wheels being pulled down our highways.

Jack London | 05-06-2007 11:58 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America Quote:
Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 598417) If you remember that you are SUPPOSED believe nothing could happen, that you are SUPPOSED to believe there is no reason to prepare, and that you are SUPPOSED to believe these things because of the power it will give others over you during a crisis, then it all makes sense. There is nothing to misunderstand anymore.
Having years of stored food sends the terrorists the wrong message. It says that we are afraid. Better to show we are not afraid by being completely unprepared.:wub:

mispillion | 05-07-2007 12:33 AM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America if you got even a yard, http: //www.mobilemini.com/ , stuff one of these suckers full of: bags of rice and beans (3 yr shelf life ?) honey (infinite shelf life) salt cans of tuna and chicken (3 - 5 yr shelf life?) water vitamins figure it'll be hardest while the herd is being culled weapons of course distance from others makes life even better when things aren't bad and priceless when they are

Maddie | 05-07-2007 04:10 AM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America Quote:
Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 598417) If you remember that you are SUPPOSED believe nothing could happen, that you are SUPPOSED to believe there is no reason to prepare, and that you are SUPPOSED to believe these things because of the power it will give others over you during a crisis, then it all makes sense. There is nothing to misunderstand anymore.
That's the part that gets me. People believe enough to support national IDs, fund Fatherland Security, give up civil liberties, and wait 3 hours at the airport, but believing enough to store a bucket of rice? Don't be silly! Actually, to the government's credit, the old FEMA Website, the one that was up before Katrina, did recommend having "at least a 3-month supply of food staples" and even had a page telling readers how to package staples in buckets for long-term storage. Of course, it also had a section that described the purpose of FEMA and what it did during an emergency. It's a pity no one in office in Lousiana read it and that no one in FEMA or Homeland Security considered that a problem might be too big for local resources to handle on the front end. The latest version of the FEMA Website isn't as good as the old version, but it's still pretty respectable. It's tempting to blame the government for supporting the head-in-the-sand way most people treat the issue of preparing for disasters, but the sad truth is that even when the government has told people to prepare and how, people don't listen. (Mind you, I don't think 3 months' of food is anywhere near enough, and FEMA surely knew it. I think they ask for what they might be able to convince people to really do.)

RiverRat | 05-07-2007 06:14 AM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America :laugh_m: Posted by Maddie: Quote:
It's a pity no one in office in Louisiana read it
:signs14: ....that's funny Maddie :laugh_m: :laugh_m: To even entertain the fantasy of our government looking out for it's citizens during a small disaster without a couple billion dollar screw ups is sheer lunacy. If a famine were to hit the US due to natural disaster or war the first thing they would do is buy heavy equipment to dig and bury millions in mass graves...any and all surplus food would be confiscated for government use and consumption only. You're on your own dudes and dudettes....this ain't Pleasantville anymore. Put down whatever it is you're smoking and wake up....pretty soon you'll have to register as a non Spanish speaking,language challenged subversive. We are all bacteria... :beer: :beer: :beer:

Kahlil Gibran | 05-07-2007 06:51 AM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverRat (Post 598700) any and all surplus food would be confiscated for government use and consumption only.
This is the main reason to not let anyone know you have food storage. A hungry neighbor, ex-wife, or store clerk will turn you in to the Brownshirts if you don't "share" with them. Tell your kids to keep their mouth shut too. :beer:

Au_Ag | 05-07-2007 12:22 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America Didn't somebody post that the mormons - Church of the Latter Day Saints - usually have a store or similar where you can buy things in bulk for storage? Seems like it is a tenet of their religion to have 90 days or more preps on hand, IIRC. They sell to others also - I think. Anybody have any info on this?

Anty Ep | 05-07-2007 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 598503) Concur. I read somewhere that we were "seven days to empty shelves" at current levels of consumption. Of course, that period will be shortened by quite a bit as soon as the masses understand the trucks and trains aren't coming. But seven days or ten days, it still spells panic in the vast majority of the population and extra danger for those who have prepared and not kept their preparations to themselves. Serious major big "roger" on Maddie.
in the midwest when there is a blizzard that shuts down the major arteries we get bread off the shelves in 24 hours, milk gone by 36. I have never been through a blizzard here that kept the trucks off the road much longer cept when I was little during the 70s and I didnt do much grocery shoppin then dessicated milk is definitely a good survival cache item. you run out fast and you can always dish some up in a pinch if you're short on milk for a recipe and not time to make a dash for the store

ben shockley | 05-07-2007 03:42 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America Jew-M...er I mean Wal Mart has one pound bags of rice, beans and macaroni for fifty cents.

ben shockley | 05-07-2007 03:43 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America :bull-emoticon: :bull-smile: :love: :hahaha:

Veritas | 05-07-2007 03:49 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 598381) And "redneck gun-nut survivalists" will inherit the south! It never fails to amaze me that we who do prepare as a precaution, the same way everyone's ancestors did not so long ago, are the ones deemed "crazy." In a world where people fear 30 seconds of second-hand cigarette smoke exposure like it's a certain death sentence, where it's unlawful to drive without one's seatbelt buckled, where we all saw the broadcasts of Katrina and learned that the government couldn't even handle the evacuation of two hospitals in a single city during a disaster, where we all saw videos of President Bush looking dazed and unresponsive as someone whispered to him that a terrorist strike had been made against the US, it seems incredulous to me that the person who prepares for the big stuff, like the interruption of a fragile food supply line, is the one considered crazy, and the person who is convinced that nothing will ever happen to us (not like those other poor saps in other times and places) is the one considered sane.
It's a sad truth but most people are ignorent. I prefer to be crazy. :beer:

Veritas | 05-07-2007 03:52 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America Quote:
Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 598503) I read somewhere that we were "seven days to empty shelves" at current levels of consumption. .
Not even. Go into a grocery store and ask the store manager how long it would take for the shelves to be emptied if their shipments suddenly stopped. While it may vary depending on where one lives (population density), the answer that I received was '3 or 4 days.' Now take into account some sort of disaster coupled with that (something to cause a panic), and you are looking at about 24 to 36 hours. Better to stock up now and avoid the rush.

Veritas | 05-07-2007 03:58 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America Quote:
Originally Posted by Au_Ag (Post 598991) Didn't somebody post that the mormons - Church of the Latter Day Saints - usually have a store or similar where you can buy things in bulk for storage? Seems like it is a tenet of their religion to have 90 days or more preps on hand, IIRC. They sell to others also - I think. Anybody have any info on this?
I made a comment about Mormons. While I am not a Mormon, I know several people do practice this religion. The Mormon Church encourages all it's members to stockpile a 1 year supply of rations for each member of the household and maintain that supply at all times. In Utah, the Temple does have a warehouse where such rations are available at relatively inexpensive prices. It's not a bad philosophy. The Mormons are the best prepared group that I know...and most of them don't even know why. That's the funny part. They just do it because it's what their church tells them to do.

Veritas | 05-07-2007 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 599305) Can we PUH-LEASE knock off the gratuitous jabs at ethnic and religeous groups. Thank you.
He seems to have a hang up a particular ethnic group.

Abouthadit | 05-07-2007 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ben shockley (Post 599222) Jew-M...er I mean Wal Mart has one pound bags of rice, beans and macaroni for fifty cents.
do they come with RFID tags????? :albertein

AMforPM | 05-07-2007 05:48 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America I think a lot of people feel it coming and are worried. I think that is why so many jumped on Y2K. Not so much the particular cause, but just how shaky supply had become. Then Katrina alerted more people. Way too few are stocked up, but I do think it is growing. A lot of people are living so on the edge of tapped out, or over the edge, they can't figure out what to do. To them I suggest getting a few pounds of beans and rice each grocery trip and saving the money to fund the one to store for emergencies by eating a meal of them. Then they can figure out which they like best too. An alarming number of young families do not know how to cook much of anything as well. They are who the pre packaged meals are aimed at. I have actually seen online conversations in which a 20 something ate all meals from take out and did not even know how to nuke a spud or boil water for noodles or oatmeal. And that is a very low standard and not very healthy at that. For them, MREs are all they can think of, and MREs are pretty pricey for a year's worth for a family so they feel hopeless. It is sad because oatmeal is so easy in a slow cooker (or solar oven) and beans and rice are easy too. Alfalfa sprouts are amazingly easy to make. But they do not know that. So I think a lot of the problem is lack of knowledge. I think we sometimes forget, on GIM, that a lot of people don't think outside the box, and almost can't, and need some guidance besides hours a day of fast food ads.

platinumdude | 05-07-2007 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AMforPM (Post 599387) I think a lot of people feel it coming and are worried. I think that is why so many jumped on Y2K. Not so much the particular cause, but just how shaky supply had become. Then Katrina alerted more people. Way too few are stocked up, but I do think it is growing. A lot of people are living so on the edge of tapped out, or over the edge, they can't figure out what to do. To them I suggest getting a few pounds of beans and rice each grocery trip and saving the money to fund the one to store for emergencies by eating a meal of them. Then they can figure out which they like best too.
Isn't it better to have supplies of canned tuna, canned chicken, and other canned goods that will last a good while? So if water becomes scarce for some reason, you don't have to cook.

REV127 | 05-07-2007 09:02 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America I've seen grocery stores stripped bare and gas stations pumped dry(except diesel) in well less than 24hrs when the news reports that a hurricane is about to hit. The average family may be able to stretch the food in their home a week or two but the stores get cleaned out very quickly. I'm not sure its as important to have a year's worth of food as it is to have 3 or 4 months worth of food and the ability to grow more. A year's worth is a fine goal and good to have but I suspect most people will drop dead fairly quickly from starvation and violence. I plan on hunkering down and letting that stage burn itself out. It also appears that in case of a famine you can probably expect FEMA or some similar agency to raid your home for food, guns too. It wouldn't hurt to have reserves of both burried or otherwise hidden if you don't feel like going down in a blaze of glory. I've been having great success raising and keeping a small experimental flock of bantam chickens indoors. They're 1/5th the size of a standard breed and need only 1/4 the feed, the hens lay an egg 1/3 the size of a heavy breed. Not bad numbers. I've found a large parrot cage for $225 that will house them much better than the steel cage over a box of sand that I have been using. About 30% of their dietary needs can be supplied from weeds and grass from your yard if you don't use chemical fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides and other poisons. A bug light can provide a large balance of the rest. I'm still waiting on my sunflower seedheads to fully ripen so I can get an idea of the yield but with the help of an oak tree's acorns or some sunflowers you should be able to provide the rest of the feed needed to keep yourself supplied with eggs and the occasional bird for fresh meat and protein while not being too obtrusive. The advantage to keeping the caged bantams indoors is they are out of sight and if you take the proper precautions even one of the pint sized roosters won't be heard crowing outside the house. This isn't so important for me on my farm, my bantams are mostly nice pets but it has been interesting exploring this as an option for urbanites.

REV127 | 05-07-2007 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 599564) Isn't it better to have supplies of canned tuna, canned chicken, and other canned goods that will last a good while? So if water becomes scarce for some reason, you don't have to cook.
You'd better have a renewable water supply worked out first or it doesn't matter what kind of food you have stored. It's easy enough to rig a cistern or rainbarrel to supplement your water stores. Chances are your house already has downspouts that can be tapped. Otherwise watch the runoff coming from your roof next time it rains to get an ideas where to place a barrel and a funnel. Being able to harness dew is a useful skill as well. Soaking or using the thermos method with dry beans or rice beats trying to boil them for both fuel and water consumption.

Silver_Fox | 05-07-2007 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 599599) You'd better have a renewable water supply worked out first or it doesn't matter what kind of food you have stored. It's easy enough to rig a cistern or rainbarrel to supplement your water stores. Chances are your house already has downspouts that can be tapped. Otherwise watch the runoff coming from your roof next time it rains to get an ideas where to place a barrel and a funnel. Being able to harness dew is a useful skill as well. Soaking or using the thermos method with dry beans or rice beats trying to boil them for both fuel and water consumption.
How does the thermos method work? Do you put boiling water in the thermos and then add beans and rice? Or do you cook these separately in different thermos bottles?

Silver_Fox | 05-07-2007 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Lars Ragnarsson (Post 599624) Thanks for asking that - I was about to Google it. Not to hijack this thread, but one thing is becoming clear to me - the more I learn here, the more I realize I don't know. There is so much stuff I've got on my list to do a search on in this forum. It's a goldmine (no pun intended)...
Thanks Lars...Let me know what info you find

REV127 | 05-07-2007 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Fox (Post 599620) How does the thermos method work? Do you put boiling water in the thermos and then add beans and rice? Or do you cook these separately in different thermos bottles?
Basically but I would test my thermos first to see how hot of water is safe, dumping boiling water onto cold plastic or glass could crack it, a stainless thermos shouldn't care. The idea is the thermos provides insulation to the heated water and the water doesn't boil away. Leave the beans, rice or whatever in there for however long it is shown to take and conserve both water and fuel. You can cook, soften or heat lots of stuff that way.

Kahlil Gibran | 05-07-2007 09:50 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver_Fox (Post 599620) How does the thermos method work? Do you put boiling water in the thermos and then add beans and rice? Or do you cook these separately in different thermos bottles?
http://goldismoney.info/forums/showp...6&postcount=75 :wavey:

Silver_Fox | 05-07-2007 09:51 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America Mine is a stainless thermos....I guess I will just put some food and boiling water in and experiment with it. Thanks!

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REV127 | 05-07-2007 09:55 PM
Re: The Comming Starvation In America The first I'd ever heard of it was ages ago from Kurt Saxon in print form. He's dead now but his site is still up and he's got an article on the idea, might be of interest to you. http://www.kurtsaxon.com/foods005.htm Lots of other stuff to read at the main site, some of it is pretty wacky, some of it is pretty good.

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