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Baphomet Jones | 09-06-2007 08:05 PM
Is anyone else here screwed? Is anyone else here screwed? :hello: :shot: I won't be out of this area for at least another year, unless something magical happens... but, in the event that SHTF and I'm still here, watch for me on TV, live coverage from NY :rolleyes_m: I won't get on the trains, I'll promise you that much :D At least since I'm comfortable with that much, I can work on the rest. Who knows, maybe we've got more time!

Wyldwil | 09-06-2007 08:11 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Cool! I'll look for a goat-headed guy running aroung with a gun in one hand and a sheet of GIM minuteman rounds in the other..... That is if anything's being broadcast on TV.:shocked_ma:

lhslancers | 09-06-2007 08:13 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Child support alimony college payments lazy a$$ GF. What do you think? :bath::D

Baphomet Jones | 09-06-2007 08:16 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9230/psbpx5.jpg Ah, cool, so I'm not the only one! Also, you're in NJ, right lancers? Swim across to Long Island, we can steal a yacht on the north shore and escape to Maine :tongue_ma:

lhslancers | 09-06-2007 08:19 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 726372) Ah, cool, so I'm not the only one! Also, you're in NJ, right lancers? Swim across to Long Island, we can steal a yacht on the north shore and escape to Maine :tongue_ma:
Yep stuck inside of NJ for a few more years. I'm looking into RE somewhere in the Rust Belt for my retirement. Must be near a Walmart though.

Wyldwil | 09-06-2007 08:28 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 726368) lazy a$$ GF.
Is this her??

Maddie | 09-06-2007 08:30 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? If you get stuck, climb to the top of the Prudential Building, raise an AK47 over your head, and yell, "Wolverines!"

Baphomet Jones | 09-06-2007 09:00 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 726384) If you get stuck, climb to the top of the Prudential Building, raise an AK47 over your head, and yell, "Wolverines!"
:rofl: :haha: :rofl: thanks Maddie! That made my night :haha: I'm thinking about North Dakota. Maybe I'll get lucky and find a job in my line of work, otherwise, I'll have to save up for a lot longer. I'd like to just get out there, then worry about building the dreamhouse.

Curtman | 09-06-2007 10:24 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? You got time, stay on task. Keep focused. And not on Lancers Lazy A$$ GF. I'll take care of that, don't worry about a thang. :rolleyes_m:

naccarato | 09-06-2007 10:28 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Sorry Jones, don't have any advise for you right now, just came back to this thread to take a look at that girl's butt again. See you Sunday at the coin show.

DogFarm | 09-06-2007 10:34 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtman (Post 726521) You got time, stay on task. Keep focused. And not on Lancers Lazy A$$ GF. I'll take care of that, don't worry about a thang. :rolleyes_m:
I am speaking to myself: Just be cool, be calm, no one has noticed we have hit an iceberg yet. Quietly head for the doors, try and make some money, stash gold and guns, tell your loved ones "better to be prepared" and if they think you are crazy quit telling them stuff. Just keep living one day at a time.

Horn | 09-06-2007 10:34 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 726372) http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9230/psbpx5.jpg Ah, cool, so I'm not the only one! Also, you're in NJ, right lancers? Swim across to Long Island, we can steal a yacht on the north shore and escape to Maine :tongue_ma:
Your course is set for more of the same. I hear Antartica is warming up...

skirnir | 09-06-2007 10:35 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? If nothing happens before 2010, I'll be fine. Otherwise, I'm done for. :thumpdown

Horn | 09-06-2007 10:38 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Well, atleast we have each other.. until they cancel my internet for failure to pay...

Maddie | 09-06-2007 10:43 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? I'm in a city, too. I'm not at all where I want to be if the SHTF in a serious way. We're stuck here for a little while, too, but probably not more than another year or two.

Baphomet Jones | 09-06-2007 10:47 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by DogFarm (Post 726531) I am speaking to myself: Just be cool, be calm, no one has noticed we have hit an iceberg yet. Quietly head for the doors, try and make some money, stash gold and guns, tell your loved ones "better to be prepared" and if they think you are crazy quit telling them stuff. Just keep living one day at a time.
Yeah thats been my gameplan too, I'm not panicked, just looking at things from a pessimistic (maybe realistic) speculative standpoint, if shit hits the fan tomorrow, I don't have what I need to survive comfortably. What I do have, is guns, ammo, armor, tactical gear, and a couple close friends who would be in the same boat. Basically theres me, now, working, in the process of finding a new job, appartment and car, and theres me, in the future, totally self sufficient, TN...Andy style :bull-buddy-icon: Until that day...

Horn | 09-06-2007 10:49 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Sounds like the S.S. G.I.M. has a couple more hands on deck. :captain:

UFM | 09-06-2007 11:14 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quiet, calm, calculating, collecting ... I'm already rural and debt free.

lhslancers | 09-06-2007 11:15 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 726540) I'm in a city, too. I'm not at all where I want to be if the SHTF in a serious way. We're stuck here for a little while, too, but probably not more than another year or two.
Is Newark a city? :D Speaking of girl's butts I was watching 12 Monkeys the other night and the answer finally came to me. Our own MerryL looks just like Madeline Stowe.

demosfen | 09-06-2007 11:35 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? I am in NYC for a few more years. Looking at Vermont after that, assuming both me and Vermont are still around.

buff01 | 09-06-2007 11:57 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? I feel a LITTLE bit safer since I'm in the suburbs, and not on a through street. I also live right above a natural preserve, so at least there will be some fish and rabbits to be had with my scoped .22 ;)

R MacDonald | 09-07-2007 12:00 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyldwil (Post 726383) Is this her??
She doesn't look lazy to me. YouTube - Fat woman getting owned on treadmill
YouTube - Fat woman getting owned on treadmill

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 09-07-2007 02:11 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Surrounded on every side by La Raza, carry a 1911 everywhere I go, even in the backyard to water my tomatoes and chile peppers. The Mrs. is obsessed with her "career" and won't even consider the possibility of change, even when change means safety, less stress, better income, etc., and we're sitting on a mega-powderkeg: Ground Zero for CW2. Suffer from chronic insomnia, headaches, and a hole burned into my gut. Oh yeah, I'm w a a a y screwed.

ruprick | 09-07-2007 02:31 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Get the Mrs. alligned with your plans to survive....or punt her.....In any relationship, One must lead and one must follow.

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 09-07-2007 02:42 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 726690) Get the Mrs. alligned with your plans to survive....or punt her.....In any relationship, One must lead and one must follow.
Agreed completely, brother. Right now her employer's leading and that because she's completely lost the proper perspective and allows it. However, I have a plan, and believe I am about to enter Curtman territory...

Maddie | 09-07-2007 05:45 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Hivemindgammahydra7 (Post 726682) Surrounded on every side by La Raza, carry a 1911 everywhere I go, even in the backyard to water my tomatoes and chile peppers.
Hive, when I used to cave a lot, we had a saying we always used when some cave had made us its bitch (say, you just crawled over 6000 feet of chert and cobblestones on bleeding knees or wriggled on your back through 100 feet of tight water-filled passage, sucking air out of a 2-inch airspace on the ceiling). We'd look at each other, smile cheerfully, and say, "Well! That was good practice for the real thing!" Seems to me that could become your motto.

Wyldwil | 09-07-2007 07:17 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 726757) Hive, when I used to cave a lot, we had a saying we always used when some cave had made us its bitch (say, you just crawled over 6000 feet of chert and cobblestones on bleeding knees or wriggled on your back through 100 feet of tight water-filled passage, sucking air out of a 2-inch airspace on the ceiling). We'd look at each other, smile cheerfully, and say, "Well! That was good practice for the real thing!" Seems to me that could become your motto.
You, Miss Maddie, are officially bad-ass......:shocked_ma:

Kahlil Gibran | 09-07-2007 08:05 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 726423) I'm thinking about North Dakota. Maybe I'll get lucky and find a job in my line of work, otherwise, I'll have to save up for a lot longer. I'd like to just get out there, then worry about building the dreamhouse.
Attachment 33071 If the Mexicans were still "thinking about" America they would still be there. All twenty million of 'em. :bandito: grab a jug of water and just do it gringo .

____hoot____ | 09-07-2007 08:29 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? i used to sweat it some when i was a Hg dumbed-down, naturally dumb, boob-tubed dumbed youngun and had some feelings that the cold war was real even though i had read Eric Blair's "1984" in the 50s or 60s. Knew that i lived less than a score of miles from a complex of hi-tec plants in a little 15,000 population town[Whitehall,Michigan] that produced 65-70% of the aircraft turbine blades in the western world. No turbine blades and your airforce or airlines are back in a 1940's era piston engined world in a hurry. Ought to be a BIG target if major east-west conflict was even a remote possibility. hahahahahahaha now I realize that I live in the protective shaddow of a pillar of the evil empire :bull-buddy-icon:

Silver Spoon | 09-07-2007 08:47 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Re: Is anyone else here screwed? And then some. I've got between 1-2 months supply of food, about a months supply of water (reminds me better rotate supply aka refill the soda bottles with new water), got some leads and means of delivery as well as some PM's. Not enough. Not enough by a long shot. Still let's be positive. The above inventory is significantly greater than everyone I know. In fact I don't know anyone outside of my gun club who owns a gun. Most people have about 3 days of food in their cupboards and should they miss one pay they are in deep trouble. Am I saying I'm better than them? Nope. Perhaps the best way that I can explain it is through a joke Quote:
Two men are being chased by a lion through the jungle. One man stops and puts on his sneakers. "That's not going to help you outrun the lion!" the second man cries. "I don't have to outrun the lion. I have to outrun you"
(something like that)

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Darkside | 09-07-2007 09:11 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? I'll have to escape from NY as well. Although I am at least on the mainland.. fell sorry for you Long Islanders... those bridges are going to be absolute horrors when TSHTF ! I figure when the time comes I can leave pretty easily the only problem is where do I go? I need more time in order to purchase my bug out land.

lhslancers | 09-07-2007 09:25 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkside (Post 726885) I'll have to escape from NY as well. Although I am at least on the mainland.. fell sorry for you Long Islanders... those bridges are going to be absolute horrors when TSHTF ! I figure when the time comes I can leave pretty easily the only problem is where do I go? I need more time in order to purchase my bug out land.
Upstate. :wink:

Silver Spoon | 09-07-2007 09:42 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkside (Post 726885) I'll have to escape from NY as well. Although I am at least on the mainland.. fell sorry for you Long Islanders... those bridges are going to be absolute horrors when TSHTF !
I believe that at the end of the Battle of Waterloo French soldiers were literally hacking each other to death trying to cross a bridge. The tragedy is that the river was knee deep.

eyeofliberty | 09-07-2007 11:29 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? I'm about 5 years out until I'm prepped. I take some solace living in Oregon, but still, I'm on the I-5 corridor, which sucks. I just finished reading "Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse" by Rawles, which made me realize MORE the extent to which I am unprepared. So I'm trying to step it into high gear.

DogFarm | 09-07-2007 11:50 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Well, the good news is that it is an election year and I have got to think we will get through the Christmas....then things will really, really be interesting at this current trajectory.

Silverstone | 09-07-2007 02:18 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 726360) Is anyone else here screwed? :hello: :shot: I won't be out of this area for at least another year, unless something magical happens... but, in the event that SHTF and I'm still here, watch for me on TV, live coverage from NY :rolleyes_m: I won't get on the trains, I'll promise you that much :D At least since I'm comfortable with that much, I can work on the rest. Who knows, maybe we've got more time!
BJ, I think a lot of people, the majority, are unless they are completely debt-free and have a stash of tangibles and land/water they can hold onto. For some folks, city or country, depends on what they've been able to stash aside for preps will determine how long they have a roof over their head until they are forced to live in their car, go move in with another family member, camp out, or what have you. Then food/gas/smokes/water/heat, etc. starts getting rationed and everyone starts robbing peter to pay paul and living a day-to-day existence. I just want my family to have some lead time to think and prepare. I would not want to have to make hasty decisions at last minute on where I am going to live or eat. If our house was paid for, we could last a long time, it's not paid for yet so we could last a year without jobs. Then we are in the same boat, so we're just prolonging the inevitable, as many people will be doing.

Ash_Williams | 09-07-2007 02:42 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? I'm really not all that worried since I'm sure within a few weeks of shtf the real problem would be figuring out what to do with all the sick and dying people who can no longer get their drugs (legal or otherwise) and feed their other addictions. I'm surrounded by people who can't take a couple flights of stairs without getting winded. They'll probably be tasty later on. If you are fit, healthy and alert, you are way ahead of the game. And thats a prep you can make for free. If you need pills to get through the day and can't move your fat ass under your own power, then all the gold and guns in the world isn't going to help.

DrillAndFill | 09-07-2007 02:49 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Hivemindgammahydra7 (Post 726682) Surrounded on every side by La Raza, carry a 1911 everywhere I go, even in the backyard to water my tomatoes and chile peppers. The Mrs. is obsessed with her "career" and won't even consider the possibility of change, even when change means safety, less stress, better income, etc., and we're sitting on a mega-powderkeg: Ground Zero for CW2. Suffer from chronic insomnia, headaches, and a hole burned into my gut. Oh yeah, I'm w a a a y screwed.
Sounds as if you need to talk it over with Rocky. You might want to discuss any legal issues with Beth Davenport. Stay away from Angel. He'll be full of schemes, but nothing constructive, and you be forced to call on Dennis Becker down at the LAPD for yet another favor. I thought you were living out on a trailer on a beach north of Malibu?

macrohard | 09-07-2007 02:55 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? You ain't screwed until you're screwed. La Raza is worse than martial law....

Enlightened | 09-07-2007 02:57 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? YEARS? YEARS? Do you people think there are years left to prepare?:rant: you need to "cut the cord" and find somewhere "out of the way" to live and raise your family now. There won't be any cordial invitations you'd like to accept.:tongue_ma: It's already too late for most, I cannot believe the people on this site believe there are years left to prepare.:shocked_ma:

macrohard | 09-07-2007 03:00 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Enlightened (Post 727388) YEARS? YEARS? Do you people think there are years left to prepare?:rant:
I do... :D

Enlightened | 09-07-2007 03:06 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? nice tool!!:wink:

Silverstone | 09-08-2007 05:08 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Hivemindgammahydra7 (Post 726698) Agreed completely, brother. Right now her employer's leading and that because she's completely lost the proper perspective and allows it. However, I have a plan, and believe I am about to enter Curtman territory...
Wow, if you don't have any kids, I'd punt, and leave the door open for her when she changes her mind, she will. Even if TS doesn't hit the fan as much as you believe it will, a quality change of life is still a quality change of life in any situation! Jobs are just jobs, her employer could throw her out on the street anyday, you're her husband, much more valuable! I'd try to show her which was more valuable if you strongly believe you need to leave. Living life worried about whether or not you're going to get shot at today is enough reason for a SERIOUS change. What's more valuable to her, YOU or her job? And if you have kids, even MORE reason to get the hell out of dodge. I wouldn't think of allowing my children to live in that type of environment if I could do something BETTER for them which sounds like you can. Of course I don't know if you have kids or not. If it were me I'd get out of dodge. Life is TOO short to deal with that type of stress day in day out if you don't HAVE too. You only have one life, this is it. Think of the worst possible scenario if you did pull off your dream of leaving, worst possible, and is that still better than what you have and could you live with it? I'm not talking materialism here, I'm talking peace of mind, health, some real happiness if you can find it even if only for a short period of time. It's obvious you are not content about where you are at (and for good reasons!). Just my two cents worth.

Silverstone | 09-08-2007 05:21 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 726360) Is anyone else here screwed? :hello: :shot: I won't be out of this area for at least another year, unless something magical happens... but, in the event that SHTF and I'm still here, watch for me on TV, live coverage from NY :rolleyes_m: I won't get on the trains, I'll promise you that much :D At least since I'm comfortable with that much, I can work on the rest. Who knows, maybe we've got more time!
*If you're single, be a gypsy/bum. Ride the rails. Sell some bottles of Dr. Good.

Maddie | 09-08-2007 06:20 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverstone (Post 728751) Wow, if you don't have any kids, I'd punt, and leave the door open for her when she changes her mind, she will.
Don't count on it. That's how my first marriage ended. He tried to push me into moving by going ahead and moving, fully expecting me to follow despite my saying I wasn't going to. He moved. I didn't. We divorced about 10 months later. Our circumstances were a little different. About a year after we divorced, he called to apologize and confessed that he only wanted to move because he was resentful that I'd found something in life that I loved and was good at and he hadn't, so he'd wanted to destroy it for me. I'd followed him once before when he forced a move that way. I didn't fall for it the second time. Funny thing about that man. He despised those who let others do their thinking for them, but he always wanted to do the thinking for others. I'm stuck in Hive's situation right now, too: In the city with a husband who has a city-type of job. I was a survivalist long before I married him, so I was reluctant to live in the city. I made my decision, though, so I'll do my best with it. If I'd decided otherwise, I wouldn't have had the wonderful 18 years with him I've already had. He does get job offers that would take us to other cities, but I have veto power, and so far I've vetoed (NOT moving to DC or California or Newport News). It hasn't been entirely devoid of survival benefits, either. When fuel prices are too high, we take public transportation. I live under 8 miles from my job, and he takes the train to work every day, so we save a lot on gas. With everything in either walking distance or nearby, we're both able to drive old, paid-for vehicles with surprisingly low mileage on them for their ages. Our house/land is worth more than twice what we paid for it and 4.5 x what we have left to pay on it. The housing bubble hasn't hit us at all. Houses are selling like hotcakes in our neighborhood, thanks to fuel prices and horrible commutes pushing suburbanites back into the city. My neighborhood has been here for over 50 years, and so have many of the residents, so a lot of them have their homes paid off, and most of us know each other. When a tree falls or a creek floods, everyone turns out to help. We have neighborhood parties and cook-outs and yardsales and a good neighborhood association (not one of those neighborhoods with convenants, though). We're on the side of the city that's opposite the high-crime and poverty-ridden areas. We have large yards, lots of mature trees, several large creeks, a retaining pond, and some empty green space (flood plain and wooded areas), as well as a park with an Olympic-sized pool on the edge of the neigborhood. In an Argentina-style crisis, it won't be easy, but this community might make it through okay. People already work together well and look out for each other. If not, my sister expects us to bug-out to her place (acreage, horses, etc.) about 45 minutes away, and my brother-in-law has farmland in Kentucky he's invited us to bug-out to (but that's a 5-hour drive from here!). There's always the possibility that something so massive and sudden happens that we all end up either vaporized in a nuclear mushroom cloud, fighting off mutant zombies, or plunged into the Dark Ages. If that happens, we're probably screwed, but those are probably the least likely scenarios.

KASHMAN02 | 09-08-2007 06:27 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 726360) Is anyone else here screwed? :hello: :shot: I won't be out of this area for at least another year, unless something magical happens... but, in the event that SHTF and I'm still here, watch for me on TV, live coverage from NY :rolleyes_m: I won't get on the trains, I'll promise you that much :D At least since I'm comfortable with that much, I can work on the rest. Who knows, maybe we've got more time!
99.9% of the world is similary situated.

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 09-09-2007 04:41 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? My sincere thanks to the Ladies for posting. Although you both bring different viewpoints to the subject (the one I aired out, I mean), you are both reading the situation correctly. I mean spot-on. I could say more and go into the particulars but I'd be writing all night and it would burn up the bandwidth to no end. I'll have to leave it at "thank you," I suppose, though that hardly seems sufficient in this instance. Both of you have more than validated what I've been thinking and what I've believed about the current crisis for a long, long time...

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 09-09-2007 04:44 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by DrillAndFill (Post 727377) Sounds as if you need to talk it over with Rocky. You might want to discuss any legal issues with Beth Davenport. Stay away from Angel. He'll be full of schemes, but nothing constructive, and you be forced to call on Dennis Becker down at the LAPD for yet another favor. I thought you were living out on a trailer on a beach north of Malibu?
You're giving away your age, my friend. To know these micro-details as you very obviously do you'd have to be as old as... ME! :laugh:

RiverRat | 09-09-2007 05:30 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? :rolleyes_m: Hive...you have to think of a way to blast her logic and ambitions out of the status quo. Some people become so career and job oriented they develop acute tunnel vision. Why endanger your life and your loved ones pursuing a career that might not exist in a SHTF aftermath,or worse,get yourself killed trying to escape LA when the hammer drops ? All the job perks and career promises count for zilch when you're running for your life with a poor chance of surviving escape. Rome was never supposed to fall either...but it did. Somewhere you have to draw the line and take control. Some people are so smart they have to be treated like sheep for their own protection...if you get my drift. If that's your situation...assume you're dealing with a psychotic who has lost touch with reality and assume command. I'd probably spike her soft drink,load her up in the car and split to safer surroundings :>) When she woke up in Montana I'd tell her she was struck by lightening and had been in a coma for two weeks. :D:D:D:D Hey...that might sound funny on the surface...maybe even a joke. But drastic times call for drastic action... Do what you gotta do Hive...make a point to shock her back to reality. Good luck bro...go Tazer shopping Monday. BTW: Ask my wife if I would do what I suggested to you :>) She would say don't drink anything but bottled water and wear a HAZMAT suit to protect against Tazer encounters. :>) :bear_w00t::bear_w00t::bear_w00t::bear_w00t:

SilverCollector | 09-09-2007 05:54 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? The sky is not falling. Ripples on the surface. Until a nuclear bomb goes off in a major city, everything is manageable. If you think/believe this is around the corner (like next week or thereabouts...) you need to go see a movie, eat a pizza, or what ever it is you do.

shades2 | 09-09-2007 08:19 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? I'm slowly cutting the cord, and it's not an easy process... If I'm lucky it will be in the next 2 years, but it could be as long as 4. I can't stand being in debt to others, it really eats me.

shades2 | 09-09-2007 08:22 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCollector (Post 729352) The sky is not falling. Ripples on the surface. Until a nuclear bomb goes off in a major city, everything is manageable. If you think/believe this is around the corner (like next week or thereabouts...) you need to go see a movie, eat a pizza, or what ever it is you do.
Even if a nuke (or similar attack) does go off in a city or two, the rest of the world won't just stop dead. Realistically, life will continue, but in a different way. Governments will be much quicker to declare martial law, crack down on dissidents, etc. etc. Of course, if you do happen to live in such a city, then yes your life as you know it is destroyed, if you happened to survive the attack. To think though that life won't continue without you is rather arrogant though.

Maddie | 09-09-2007 09:13 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 729388) Even if a nuke (or similar attack) does go off in a city or two, the rest of the world won't just stop dead. Realistically, life will continue, but in a different way.
That's pretty much the way I feel about it, too. I think too much of our mythos about TSHTF dates back to the Cold War and the mutually assured destruction that would have resulted from the US and the USSR lobbing everything they had at each other. I think in our current situation, a financial crash is the most likely scenario. We need to look at countries that have had similar problems for hints of what might be ahead. People have survived in cities through all kinds of devastating events, and sometimes a city isn't the worst place to be.

SilverCollector | 09-09-2007 09:36 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 729388) Even if a nuke (or similar attack) does go off in a city or two, the rest of the world won't just stop dead. Realistically, life will continue, but in a different way. Governments will be much quicker to declare martial law, crack down on dissidents, etc. etc. Of course, if you do happen to live in such a city, then yes your life as you know it is destroyed, if you happened to survive the attack. To think though that life won't continue without you is rather arrogant though.
Life would go on as markets collapse, peoples savings would get wiped out, food shortages, power grid disruptions, riots, etc. It would be the TSHTF. Pray that it doesn't happen.

shades2 | 09-09-2007 01:21 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCollector (Post 729425) Life would go on as markets collapse, peoples savings would get wiped out, food shortages, power grid disruptions, riots, etc. It would be the TSHTF. Pray that it doesn't happen.
Yeah, I think such an event could trigger a market collapse, it could destroy a country's economy too, but that is why they are pushing for this vested world-economy rubbish, so there is less incentive to kill each other's economy. It's never worked before, but oh well, poor students of history. They forget about mankind's ability to wage war despite economic outcomes. TSHTF scenario? Well it would require mass panic and seems to be what the radical Islamist elements have been seeking. If the Islamists think it's going to be all rosy for them, then they are failing to understand the bigger picture, they won't just saunter into a new power vacuum. TSHTF requires a complete loss of confidence of the masses in their leadership, runs on banks, economic collapse, a refusal to accept the next fiat system, and a return to a more medieval existence. TPTW will fight it tooth and nail as they want a Victorian era existence, not a medieval one. None of us really want that, but we are subject to mob rule at the end of the day, and the majority of people will side with the mob. Could it happen? Yes. Is it likely to happen. Well that depends. I think we have different ideas of what a SHTF event could look like.

Baphomet Jones | 09-09-2007 06:03 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 729572) Could it happen? Yes. Is it likely to happen. Well that depends. I think we have different ideas of what a SHTF event could look like.
Different ideas of what we hope its gonna be like, too. For people to have the opportunity to start fresh, a lot would have to happen. Like you said, TPTB might not want that to happen. But who knows, things could spiral out of control.

johnlvs2run | 09-09-2007 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Ash_Williams (Post 727364) I'm really not all that worried since I'm sure within a few weeks of shtf the real problem would be figuring out what to do with all the sick and dying people who can no longer get their drugs (legal or otherwise) and feed their other addictions. I'm surrounded by people who can't take a couple flights of stairs without getting winded. They'll probably be tasty later on.
I seriously doubt they would be all that tasty. Quote:
If you are fit, healthy and alert, you are way ahead of the game. And thats a prep you can make for free. If you need pills to get through the day and can't move your fat ass under your own power, then all the gold and guns in the world isn't going to help.
Agreed.

Silverstone | 09-09-2007 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 728836) Don't count on it. That's how my first marriage ended. He tried to push me into moving by going ahead and moving, fully expecting me to follow despite my saying I wasn't going to. He moved. I didn't. We divorced about 10 months later. Our circumstances were a little different. About a year after we divorced, he called to apologize and confessed that he only wanted to move because he was resentful that I'd found something in life that I loved and was good at and he hadn't, so he'd wanted to destroy it for me. I'd followed him once before when he forced a move that way. I didn't fall for it the second time. Funny thing about that man. He despised those who let others do their thinking for them, but he always wanted to do the thinking for others. I'm stuck in Hive's situation right now, too: In the city with a husband who has a city-type of job. I was a survivalist long before I married him, so I was reluctant to live in the city. I made my decision, though, so I'll do my best with it. If I'd decided otherwise, I wouldn't have had the wonderful 18 years with him I've already had. He does get job offers that would take us to other cities, but I have veto power, and so far I've vetoed (NOT moving to DC or California or Newport News). It hasn't been entirely devoid of survival benefits, either. When fuel prices are too high, we take public transportation. I live under 8 miles from my job, and he takes the train to work every day, so we save a lot on gas. With everything in either walking distance or nearby, we're both able to drive old, paid-for vehicles with surprisingly low mileage on them for their ages. Our house/land is worth more than twice what we paid for it and 4.5 x what we have left to pay on it. The housing bubble hasn't hit us at all. Houses are selling like hotcakes in our neighborhood, thanks to fuel prices and horrible commutes pushing suburbanites back into the city. My neighborhood has been here for over 50 years, and so have many of the residents, so a lot of them have their homes paid off, and most of us know each other. When a tree falls or a creek floods, everyone turns out to help. We have neighborhood parties and cook-outs and yardsales and a good neighborhood association (not one of those neighborhoods with convenants, though). We're on the side of the city that's opposite the high-crime and poverty-ridden areas. We have large yards, lots of mature trees, several large creeks, a retaining pond, and some empty green space (flood plain and wooded areas), as well as a park with an Olympic-sized pool on the edge of the neigborhood. In an Argentina-style crisis, it won't be easy, but this community might make it through okay. People already work together well and look out for each other. If not, my sister expects us to bug-out to her place (acreage, horses, etc.) about 45 minutes away, and my brother-in-law has farmland in Kentucky he's invited us to bug-out to (but that's a 5-hour drive from here!). There's always the possibility that something so massive and sudden happens that we all end up either vaporized in a nuclear mushroom cloud, fighting off mutant zombies, or plunged into the Dark Ages. If that happens, we're probably screwed, but those are probably the least likely scenarios.
So, there's the answer for the city folks that don't want to leave: relatives out in the sticks, and/or buy your own parcel of land and have it READY, and make sure you have a means/funds to get to that parcel. You're ok Maddie, you have a place to go too and seem content with your current situation.

mtnman | 09-09-2007 10:22 PM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by johnlvs2run (Post 729874) I seriously doubt they would be all that tasty.
Mmmm, Long Pork! It�s what�s for dinner, post SHTF!

shades2 | 09-10-2007 08:54 AM
Re: Is anyone else here screwed? Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 729832) Different ideas of what we hope its gonna be like, too. For people to have the opportunity to start fresh, a lot would have to happen. Like you said, TPTB might not want that to happen. But who knows, things could spiral out of control.
We often dwell on the negatives too, but it could be an extremely liberating experience for many people in the world, and usher in a new era. There may be hard, dangerous times to experience first though, that's usually how it works. Ask the majority of people in a room what they truly want, and the responses may surprise you. Many people want: Freedom A Family Security Happiness Wealth To achieve all of these, you have to also achieve a balance, such as a balance between Freedom and Security. Too much of either and you have a problem. In that one's person's freedom should not infringe too much on another person's idea of freedom, or the affected person may no longer feel free anymore. Too much Security and you trade away your Freedom to a possibly fascist state, or lose so much freedom that there really isn't a difference; it's a fine balance, and there are lots of gray areas for actual individuals in society. An anarchist might say, let the chips fall where they may, let the weak die, the strong survive, and advocate total freedom in the form of anarchy, but that can't work long term, and is not what most people want, and the majority rules. This is why laws exist.

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