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jsimmons | 09-15-2008 02:56 PM
What Happens After Preps Run Out? After TSHTF:shocked_ma: the preps will run out within a year or less. and what if I need something I don't already have a steady supply of like antibiotics. I know some about medicine but not everything. How will YOU suppliment your supplies when TSHTF:shocked_ma:

mkinla | 09-15-2008 02:59 PM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Quote:
Originally Posted by jsimmons (Post 1291463) After TSHTF:shocked_ma: the preps will run out within a year or less. and what if I need something I don't already have a steady supply of like antibiotics. I know some about medicine but not everything. How will YOU suppliment your supplies when TSHTF:shocked_ma:
JS, I could have swore I read somewhere about making your own antibiotics. Sorry I can't be more helpful.... EDIT - Here's a good start... http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=4337

SLV>GLD | 09-15-2008 03:00 PM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? 1st off, I'm not going to hole up and eat up all my preps then decide it is time to try and forage. The idea is for the preps to subsist while you adapt, wait, and size up the situation. You should be able to identify weak points and short supplies in time to mitigate them however will be appropriate for your SHTF scenario.

Twisted Avatar | 09-15-2008 03:20 PM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Quote:
Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1291467) 1st off, I'm not going to hole up and eat up all my preps then decide it is time to try and forage. The idea is for the preps to subsist while you adapt, wait, and size up the situation. You should be able to identify weak points and short supplies in time to mitigate them however will be appropriate for your SHTF scenario.
On this I agree...... the preps are supose to take you through the lean times. T

hypervel | 09-15-2008 03:23 PM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Quote:
Originally Posted by jsimmons (Post 1291463) After TSHTF:shocked_ma: the preps will run out within a year or less. and what if I need something I don't already have a steady supply of like antibiotics. I know some about medicine but not everything. How will YOU suppliment your supplies when TSHTF:shocked_ma:
City boy? 10 characters

macrohard | 09-15-2008 03:29 PM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Antibiotics? Most of them doesn't/won't work due to resistant bacterias caused by the rampant (mind blowing) misuse of antibiotics in the US & Latin America (promoted by big pharma so they can make more money). (most) American doctors are bribed by pharma.

jsimmons | 09-15-2008 03:31 PM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Quote:
City boy?
yeah, I live in the city. This where the Sh!t is really going to Hit the hardest. Competition for preps and resources will be very high, and foraging frrom nature is not an option. Hence my concern. Quote:
JS, I could have swore I read somewhere about making your own antibiotics. Sorry I can't be more helpful.... EDIT - Here's a good start... http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=4337
Thanks for link. Lots of good info.

stranger | 09-15-2008 03:41 PM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? What SLV said...IMHO, preps should only be the means effect your desired outcome in the event of an emergency. For example, keeping cash on hand to pay day to day expenses in the event of job loss long enough to get another...Keeping enough foodstuffs on hand so that you can upsize your garden planting and harvesting accordingly...Keeping barter items for things you are unable to craft or procure by other means...and so on. Also, hopefully part of all our preparations is establishing a loose network of local contacts through which buy/sell/trade markets can spring up if conditions warrant. A good stock of medicine (antibiotics and the like) should last longer than six months or a year, barring any disastrous events. Insulin, heart meds, etc might be a different story. Don't forget herbal and other non-traditional treatments. Learn and practice now so you won't be behind the curve in the event of any kind of SHTF scenario. Knowledge should be the foremost item in everyone's PREP inventory.

Mone | 09-15-2008 07:47 PM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Quote:
Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1291467) 1st off, I'm not going to hole up and eat up all my preps then decide it is time to try and forage. The idea is for the preps to subsist while you adapt, wait, and size up the situation. You should be able to identify weak points and short supplies in time to mitigate them however will be appropriate for your SHTF scenario.
I agree. Besides, after the preps run out almost a year has passed and the unprepared masses will likely be gone in one way or another (before you get upset gone could mean left the area or FEMA camps). Should be easier to get a plan together.

GreenSpirit | 09-15-2008 08:09 PM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Quote:
Originally Posted by jsimmons (Post 1291463) After TSHTF:shocked_ma: the preps will run out within a year or less. and what if I need something I don't already have a steady supply of like antibiotics. I know some about medicine but not everything. How will YOU suppliment your supplies when TSHTF:shocked_ma:
No offense, but antibiotics are for people in hospitals :D

Unclad Lad | 09-16-2008 12:37 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Once the sugar and fructose withdrawal is finished, you'll probably be healthier anyway. As for resistance to antibiotics, would the germs likely stay resistant after a human generation not using them? It would seem the resistance factors would take up a bit of room on a genome that small.

Wingmaster05 | 09-16-2008 01:02 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Quote:
Originally Posted by Unclad Lad (Post 1292474) Once the sugar and fructose withdrawal is finished, you'll probably be healthier anyway. As for resistance to antibiotics, would the germs likely stay resistant after a human generation not using them? It would seem the resistance factors would take up a bit of room on a genome that small.
Antibiotic resistance , once introduced into a population, is going to stay in that gene pool. Genes that contribute to the survival of one's species get passed on to their progeny. So in the random chance event that a bacteria has resistance, that gene pool will proliferate while all the other bacteria that don't have the resistance gene will not survive. Hence, once antibiotic resistance is introduced, it is there for good.

killer2021 | 09-16-2008 02:55 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? The preps are there to help you transition. Like, to start up your off-grid electrical system, off-grid water system, and increase your garden etc.

Saul Mine | 09-16-2008 04:51 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? In any disaster the first thing that happens is that your preps are destroyed or you have to leave them and flee. If not, it's not a disaster. So you are talking about an inconvenience, such as losing your income or stores having no stocks. This brings up an important question: What do you think you are prepping for? If you live in a flood zone it's silly to fill your garage with Hamburger Helper. If you are in a tornado area you need a basement and not much more. If you live in a ghetto you need bars on the windows. Every type of threat requires different preps. You need to identify exactly what threat(s) you want to prepare for and don't waste your efforts preparing for things that are unlikely to happen.

kiwi_envoy | 09-16-2008 04:58 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Quote:
Originally Posted by jsimmons (Post 1291463) After TSHTF:shocked_ma: the preps will run out within a year or less. and what if I need something I don't already have a steady supply of like antibiotics. I know some about medicine but not everything. How will YOU suppliment your supplies when TSHTF:shocked_ma:
Eat animals and grow plants...if it is a Mad Max job relearn cannibalism. http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...y/images-7.jpg

decebal | 09-16-2008 05:52 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Quote:
Originally Posted by jsimmons (Post 1291463) After TSHTF:shocked_ma: the preps will run out within a year or less. and what if I need something I don't already have a steady supply of like antibiotics. I know some about medicine but not everything. How will YOU suppliment your supplies when TSHTF:shocked_ma:
dude if i lived in America and had money enough to have 1 year supplies of preps. i would seriously consider moving to a more better off country like the Philippines where for the same amount of money i could live 5 years. but hay thats just me, God bless America hehehe

the99club | 09-16-2008 08:03 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Mine (Post 1292651) In any disaster the first thing that happens is that your preps are destroyed or you have to leave them and flee. If not, it's not a disaster. So you are talking about an inconvenience, such as losing your income or stores having no stocks. This brings up an important question: What do you think you are prepping for? If you live in a flood zone it's silly to fill your garage with Hamburger Helper. If you are in a tornado area you need a basement and not much more. If you live in a ghetto you need bars on the windows. Every type of threat requires different preps. You need to identify exactly what threat(s) you want to prepare for and don't waste your efforts preparing for things that are unlikely to happen.
Spoken like a man without preps... :confused_ma:

Mone | 09-16-2008 09:16 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Mine (Post 1292651) In any disaster the first thing that happens is that your preps are destroyed or you have to leave them and flee. If not, it's not a disaster. So you are talking about an inconvenience, such as losing your income or stores having no stocks. This brings up an important question: What do you think you are prepping for? If you live in a flood zone it's silly to fill your garage with Hamburger Helper. If you are in a tornado area you need a basement and not much more. If you live in a ghetto you need bars on the windows. Every type of threat requires different preps. You need to identify exactly what threat(s) you want to prepare for and don't waste your efforts preparing for things that are unlikely to happen.
Uh... many of us are preparing for a scenario where the problems in the banking system disrupt our just-in-time distribution system and cause shortages in things like food. In a martial law situation food would likely be withheld and used to control the people. Sure, everyone loves a good flood... but we all have the distribution system in common. PS: You need to get laid. :D

Farmgal | 09-16-2008 09:22 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Food - grow and can fruits and vegetables, milk the cow, collect eggs from chickens, butcher chickens, pigs, lambs, steers. Toilet paper - large stack of cheap washcloths Kleenex - handkerchiefs Cleaners- stockpiling lye so I can make soap from the pig lard. Medicines - from the herb garden Clothes - shopping yard sales and thrift stores and stocking up. Heat- axes and saws for cutting wood Water - old-fashioned well pump Entertainment- a very large library and lots of games, family and friends close by to visit with

silverJeep | 09-16-2008 10:24 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? You�ll need to make other arrangements. If you have the room and the money to store up enough food to last years (so you can just sit this one out), then good for you. If not, then preps need to be for when you can�t get what you need. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> For when there is rioting and it�s not safe to go outside. <o:p></o:p> When there�s two feet of snow on the ground and you can�t get to the store (or �relief center�). <o:p></o:p> But you need to make sure you don�t just disappear into your house or apartment (with your preps). If you�re neighbors don�t see you in line at the store with them, or waiting for MRE�s, etc. and they don�t see you come out much, that�s screaming �I HAVE FOOD STORED UP IN HERE!� and makes you a target. <o:p></o:p> Surviving isn�t locking yourself in. Surviving is thriving in whatever environment you�re in. If you were going to live in the jungle in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Brazil</st1:place></st1:country-region>, you wouldn�t bring 2 years of food to survive. You would learn to survive in that environment (preferably learn what you need to before you get there). You would think of things you might need in advance and prepare for them. There will always be a �Wish I woulda gotten�� moment. <o:p></o:p> On the other hand, if you were planning on going to the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Sahara</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Desert</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> and you realized the only way to survive is to have years of food and water available, then maybe you shouldn�t go. That being said, if living in the city, you decide that the only way to survive will be to have years of food and water stored up (and you can�t do it), then MAYBE YOU NEED TO MOVE OUT OF THE CITY. <o:p></o:p> Only a fool would see a disaster coming and do nothing to avert its effects. <o:p></o:p> SJ

jamesfrancisco | 09-16-2008 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by silverJeep (Post 1293044) [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]You�ll need to make other arrangements. If you have the room and the money to store up enough food to last years (so you can just sit this one out)
If you can "Just sit this one out" and it lasts years, you must have an obscenely huge stash of preps! All you need to do is "sit it out" until the majority are either dead, gathered in cities where the government hand out bowls of gruel, and then die... or a new civilisation begins. "Will work for food" - would become a common sign. About 1/4 of the US would be dead in 3 months without their meds, at least. That gets rid of the weak, and the grossly obese who are unable to work anyway. Probably another 1/4 of the population would die as they will be old and without nursing care.. And another 1/4 die because they would be fools and either die through stupidity or kill themselves. Now you have 25% of the poulation willing to either fight or work for food. Prepared to fight? More of them gone if you are equipped. Prepared to work? Become part of the new life. Which will be harder, but more rewarding and in the long run better than the old one. The second Pioneers.

Master_Ho | 09-16-2008 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kiwi_envoy (Post 1292656) Eat animals and grow plants...if it is a Mad Max job relearn cannibalism. http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...y/images-7.jpg
This is why I have a cookbook I have been working on for years - for every sort of imaginable lifeform - I always tell my wife - if she can track and kill it - I can cook it - from worms right down (up) to elephant.........tho we've never seen an elephant in the yard, but you knew know........ And within those pages are recipes for man!! :wink:

JJ_ | 09-16-2008 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Master_Ho (Post 1293906) ... And within those pages are recipes for man!! :wink:
:shocked_ma: __________________

thrifty_bob | 09-17-2008 03:20 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? I think the more likely scenario is like the depression, except imagine that the even if you have money, it won't buy much fuel or food, and many have so little money they can't afford a place to live, or transportation to a job. I have food and fuel in case supplies are interrupted. Primary emphasis on imported items, since if the dollar falls, imports will be the most prohibitive. Time will tell... Better to have things you use than wish you did, I think.

Worldmariner | 10-03-2008 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jsimmons (Post 1291531) yeah, I live in the city. This where the Sh!t is really going to Hit the hardest. .
RELOCATE if you are sure that TEOTWAWKI is imminent... Or evac out of the area when the big crash happens.

nub | 10-03-2008 11:50 PM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Quote:
Originally Posted by Farmgal (Post 1292927) Food - grow and can fruits and vegetables, milk the cow, collect eggs from chickens, butcher chickens, pigs, lambs, steers. Toilet paper - large stack of cheap washcloths Kleenex - handkerchiefs Cleaners- stockpiling lye so I can make soap from the pig lard. Medicines - from the herb garden Clothes - shopping yard sales and thrift stores and stocking up. Heat- axes and saws for cutting wood Water - old-fashioned well pump Entertainment- a very large library and lots of games, family and friends close by to visit with
ONE in 10,000 could accomplish these tasks.....you forgot "mill flour to make bread and such" and let's not forget "spin yarn" ok that might be getting a little carried away FarmGal......I'm with ya not against ya, it just struck me funny how so few could live this way .....I still need to learn to make soap

ajrocks | 10-04-2008 12:17 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? watch 30 days later 9 months later and I am legend, if this is TEOTWAWKI orTSHTF type senario the preps are to get through the ruff stuff. After that we go on out into the world and start anew!

ajrocks | 10-04-2008 12:21 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? or Blast from the past w Brendon Fraser, and Christopher Walke and Alicia Silverstone, that's the type of bunker you want, a 20 year bomb shelter.... I know people use to have them, is it possible to buy a house that the owners built one?

Saul Mine | 10-04-2008 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Mone (Post 1292907) Uh... many of us are preparing for a scenario where the problems in the banking system disrupt our just-in-time distribution system and cause shortages in things like food. In a martial law situation food would likely be withheld and used to control the people. Sure, everyone loves a good flood... but we all have the distribution system in common.
The distribution system does not get interrupted for a year. If it did it wouldn't be an interruption, it would be an abandoned city. So the question is why would anyone stay in an abandoned city for a year? Anything that goes on for two months isn't a disaster any more, it's a new way of life. Quote:
PS: You need to get laid. :D
So who doesn't? And what is the point of including such an odd remark?

jamesfrancisco | 10-04-2008 04:31 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Because he needs to get laid. :D

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kiwi_envoy | 10-04-2008 05:21 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Quote:
Originally Posted by Master_Ho (Post 1293906) This is why I have a cookbook I have been working on for years - for every sort of imaginable lifeform - I always tell my wife - if she can track and kill it - I can cook it - from worms right down (up) to elephant.........tho we've never seen an elephant in the yard, but you knew know........ And within those pages are recipes for man!! :wink:
Crikey Master Ho, I am glad you live in another country. :smile: Seriously though this is where we may all end up in short order as the earth rebalances things to protect itself from parasitic humanoids. Globalisation is a manmade disaster for mankind. That is my quote that just came to me after spending a day out playing lawn bowls. Also, I have my Marlin 44 ready to take down the 1st animal that thinks I am food or vice versa. Perhaps you can post your cookbook for fellow GIMites? Kiwi

elroy | 10-04-2008 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jsimmons (Post 1291463) After TSHTF:shocked_ma: the preps will run out within a year or less. and what if I need something I don't already have a steady supply of like antibiotics. I know some about medicine but not everything. How will YOU suppliment your supplies when TSHTF:shocked_ma:
Probably have to eat the neighbors. [don't tell them I said that, I don't want them running away]

graspAU | 10-04-2008 11:05 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Quote:
Originally Posted by jsimmons (Post 1291463) After TSHTF:shocked_ma: the preps will run out within a year or less. and what if I need something I don't already have a steady supply of like antibiotics. I know some about medicine but not everything. How will YOU suppliment your supplies when TSHTF:shocked_ma:
You should have anti-biotics on hand. They wil stay good for 2years, and probably still be effective after that. Don't believe the hype that they don't work and are just for people in hospitals. If the SHTF and you get a bacterial infection, they will most likely save your life. To have a year of preps and then die because you did not have a course of anti-biotics on hand would be a shame. To your original question, if you run out or don't have them, you will have to trade for them or steal them if there is no other option after commerce stops. Good luck with that.

Mone | 10-04-2008 11:13 AM
Re: What Happens After Preps Run Out? Quote:
Originally Posted by Mone (Post 1292907) Uh... many of us are preparing for a scenario where the problems in the banking system disrupt our just-in-time distribution system and cause shortages in things like food. In a martial law situation food would likely be withheld and used to control the people. Sure, everyone loves a good flood... but we all have the distribution system in common. PS: You need to get laid. :D
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Originally Posted by Saul Mine (Post 1332392) The distribution system does not get interrupted for a year. If it did it wouldn't be an interruption, it would be an abandoned city. So the question is why would anyone stay in an abandoned city for a year? Anything that goes on for two months isn't a disaster any more, it's a new way of life. So who doesn't? And what is the point of including such an odd remark?
I wrote my comment 2 weeks ago and I'll be darned if it wasn't almost prophetic. Another 2 weeks and it will be... maybe. Martial law would be them taking over the distribution system as a means of controlling the people. A year- maybe not. But the executive orders are not subject to congressional review for 6 months. Long enough? Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesfrancisco (Post 1332435) Because he needs to get laid. :D
Yes... the last 2 weeks has stressed me out.

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