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DBcooper | 09-07-2007 06:59 PM
AK/47 question Ive never owned an ak never owned anything not american firearms wise but after reading some threads here i did some looking around and purchased a norenco ak new with 4 30rd clips and 2 10rd. It looks nice and feels very good when i look through it sightwise. Its all black with that hard plastic with a collapsable stock (length wise not folding) i paid 499 for it did i get jipped? and up by the site is a little lever i cant get back down whenever i go do some practicing with it i really dont want this thing jingling around.

Baphomet Jones | 09-07-2007 07:26 PM
Re: AK/47 question Are you sure its new? I thought there was an import ban on chinese/russian stuff. However, $499 for a norinco isn't bad. Is it milled or stamped receiver? Show some pictures! I love AK's :D I could tell you more if I saw it.

Wyldwil | 09-07-2007 07:34 PM
Re: AK/47 question Quote:
Originally Posted by DBcooper (Post 727771) i paid 499 for it did i get jipped? .
I am aware that there are 10's of millions of them, but still, I have no idea why AK's are so cheap. Under $500 for something that will fire for hundreds of years....that's a bargain in any book. I guess it's simple supply/demand. When I went to pick up that 1911 Taurus yesterday, I almost bought a Yugo AK underfolder that he had instead. :D

Baphomet Jones | 09-07-2007 07:41 PM
Re: AK/47 question I think romanian AK's are just fine, I've got two that have never let me down. I bought one for $370 and the other for $280. The $280 one was a little lower in quality than the $370 one, but it actually performs better than the $370 one. I've used saigas, they're great too. I might bend up a few flats and make my own from parts kits, thats probably the most economical way to tuck away a small arsenal :D

REV127 | 09-07-2007 10:12 PM
Re: AK/47 question Quote:
Originally Posted by DBcooper (Post 727771) Ive never owned an ak never owned anything not american firearms wise but after reading some threads here i did some looking around and purchased a norenco ak new with 4 30rd clips and 2 10rd. It looks nice and feels very good when i look through it sightwise. Its all black with that hard plastic with a collapsable stock (length wise not folding) i paid 499 for it did i get jipped? and up by the site is a little lever i cant get back down whenever i go do some practicing with it i really dont want this thing jingling around.
You'd have to go into a whole lot more detail before I would want to tell you what to file and how much but the "little lever by the sight" sounds to me like the one that retains the gas tube. Do you know how to remove your gas tube? Does the lever not go down because it is stiff or because it is loose? From what you said it sounds like yours has the same issue mine hand, the gas tube was ground down too much and now is loose and jiggly. It's easy to fix, you just have to buy a new gas tube and remove metal slowly till it fights right. Believe it or not you actually don't want it too tight either, because that can negatively impact your accuracy. There is a maximum length that the gas tube can be and sometimes the guy at the factory just made sure it was ground down low enough rather than carefully fitting it. Anyway, you want a Chinese gas tube. I got mine from here, http://www.polytechparts.com/ h-513 at the following site is advertised as fitting, too. Might want to double check before ordering. http://globaltrades.com/ak_gasblks.html Anyway, you got a good price on a good AK. The MAK-90 is built on a true AK-47 pattern, not an AKM even though many are stamped. The stamped rifles have a 1.5mm thick reciever, 50% thicker than most Euro AK's, which means they're a bit stronger and combined with the heftier rear sight block they can soak up a bit more heat. MAK-90's can be particularly accurate when fed 8m1.

REV127 | 09-07-2007 10:35 PM
Re: AK/47 question Actually while I'm at it I should mention the UltiMak since you'll probably have to replace your gas tube... The UltiMak is probably the best way to mount an optical sight to your AK, it replaces the gas tube, requires no fitting and works great. http://ultimak.com/ It costs, but it is worth the price if you're serious about your AK. The main issue with most AK's is they could stand to be a bit more accurate and there are a few easy things to do to help accurize your AK. The first is the trigger. Chinese AK's have excellent triggers from the factory and the US made G2 double hook trigger is quite nearly as nice. You should probably check your trigger group to see if it's US made if you've got a pistol grip on your MAK-90 or else you're not in compliance with 922r which can get you in trouble. Red Star Arms makes an adjustable trigger group but you'll have to use Loctite once you have it set where you want it. I prefer the G2 for simplicity. The next is free floating(virtually, anyway) the handguards. If you're using the UltiMak you're good to go on the upper handguard. If not it's a matter of carefully fitting your new gas tube. For the lower handguard you can either come up with a custom piece or buy a milled reciever's lower hand guard and then fit it carefully to where it just barely wedges in place at the rear but is held loose in the front while still remaining solid. After these there is the issue of the sights. They are fast, but the sight radius is short so accuracy is hindered. Optical sights are even faster and overcome the short sight radius deficiency automatically and they mount well on the UltiMak. You'll get the most bang for your buck out of a good trigger and an optical sight. To really make the most of the "free float" mod you'll need to look at two more radical steps. The first is handloaded ammo. This can be as easy as tearing down factory loads and rebuilding them for consistency or you can develop your own loads. I've seen guys cut groups in half this way, YMMV. The next, probably most difficult to make happen but also will give you a serious return, is to have a custom barrel with a reduced gas port installed. A large part of the reason why the AK can be less accurate than other rifles relates to directly to why they are more reliable... it's the reciprocating mass in the action. The Ak's ejection cycle is best described as "vigorous" to say the least. If you tame the cycle down you will theoretically though not necessarily practically reduce reliability under very extreme conditions but you'll also get a gun that isn't doing the shake rattle and roll to such a large degree with each shot.

DBcooper | 09-07-2007 10:42 PM
Re: AK/47 question Yah i looked at more (hard to do i dont wish my nephew to see me with it) its a MAK-90 Sportser the little lever i pushed up and just cant get it back down,it doesnt seem to have any function i was thinking it might hold the sight inplace but after toying with the sight you just slide it up and down. This lever is right down from the sight above the action.

DBcooper | 09-07-2007 10:46 PM
Re: AK/47 question il post some pics it doesnt have the standard barrel either.Thanks for the info REV i think after posting some pics itl help alot.hope i can within the next few days.

elroy | 09-08-2007 12:22 AM
Re: AK/47 question If you have a Norinco mak90 Sporter with a pistol grip you should verify that your gun is 922R compliant. Somebody may have sold you an illegal gun. These guns were imported with a thumbhole stock. If it has been changed to a pistol grip it MUST have a certain number of American made parts or you risk being in violation of federal law. Originally it should have looked like the ones on this page http://www.ak-47.us/MAK-90.php Other than being exceedingly ugly these are among the best AK variant available.

DBcooper | 09-08-2007 01:19 AM
Re: AK/47 question Mine looks exactly like the second pic elroy,hmm it has a pistol grip though with collapseable stock.

Baphomet Jones | 09-08-2007 01:21 AM
Re: AK/47 question Take a dremel, and carefully etch "US" into some of the other parts, make sure it looks neat like a machine did it. Problem solved :bull-buddy-icon: Or just buy some U.S. parts. I've never heard of anyone being arrested for not being sec 922 compliant, seems like something they'd nail you for if they arrested you for something else.

DBcooper | 09-08-2007 01:31 AM
Re: AK/47 question I dont understand what is this 922 thing,i bet the stock and grip is american made,maybe attach a marines dagger to it? ohh and mine has a flash suppressor to it that that pic doesnt show. erh maybe not suppresor but different type of sight at the end,il call em monday and ask some questions regarding it i dont want any illegal gun thats for sure. by the while at the shop the guy helping me was complaining about ron paul people calling there wanting to put out flyers and ammo was getting low in 7.62 so i bought 200rds people were looking at me odd walking out very uncomfortable.

Krugerrand | 09-08-2007 05:35 AM
Re: AK/47 question Congrats on the AK, DBcooper. :applause_ Damn it, I've got to get out of California... :banghead:

mtnman | 09-08-2007 10:09 AM
Re: AK/47 question Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy (Post 728127) If you have a Norinco mak90 Sporter with a pistol grip you should verify that your gun is 922R compliant. Somebody may have sold you an illegal gun. These guns were imported with a thumbhole stock. If it has been changed to a pistol grip it MUST have a certain number of American made parts or you risk being in violation of federal law. Originally it should have looked like the ones on this page http://www.ak-47.us/MAK-90.php Other than being exceedingly ugly these are among the best AK variant available.
F**k the federal gun law. Soon we'll be using our non-compliant AK's against an oppressive Federal Government!

mtnman | 09-08-2007 10:14 AM
Re: AK/47 question Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyldwil (Post 727824) I have no idea why AK's are so cheap. :D
They're cheap cause they're sloppy pieces of junk! But I WOULD NOT trade any of my AK's for an AR, ever! AK47 the finest battle rifle ever built

Toxa | 09-08-2007 10:20 AM
Re: AK/47 question Quote:
Originally Posted by DBcooper (Post 728043) Yah i looked at more (hard to do i dont wish my nephew to see me with it) its a MAK-90 Sportser the little lever i pushed up and just cant get it back down,it doesnt seem to have any function i was thinking it might hold the sight inplace but after toying with the sight you just slide it up and down. This lever is right down from the sight above the action.
That lever if pointed up will alow you to remove the gas tube thing( what ever that called) and when it's down it locks it in place.

DBcooper | 09-08-2007 10:35 AM
Re: AK/47 question Yah looking at that site its called the gas tube locking lever,just cant get it down,came up fine though ofcourse i havent tried too hard,gess tube hmm.

DBcooper | 09-08-2007 10:39 AM
Re: AK/47 question ohh hey those are all US parts it shows em on that site usa grip and stock and AK74 muzzle break.

AlterEgo | 09-08-2007 10:42 AM
Re: AK/47 question Quote:
Originally Posted by DBcooper (Post 728398) Yah looking at that site its called the gas tube locking lever,just cant get it down,came up fine though ofcourse i havent tried too hard,gess tube hmm.
You may have to fiddle with it. To remove the gas tube the lever must be up. Then you grasp the rear of the gas tube and lift up. Sometimes you will need to slide it forward some for it to lift up. To re-install the gas tube reverse the above instructions. The gas tube should not be so tight that it is against either the front gas block, or the barrel block. Kinda just floating between them. AE

DBcooper | 09-08-2007 10:46 AM
Re: AK/47 question Mkay i see thnkxs all,wasnt aware it slides forward like that live and learn.

Krugerrand | 09-08-2007 08:09 PM
Re: AK/47 question There are a couple of AK-47 field strip videos on YouTube, such as this one: YouTube - AK-47 Field Strip
YouTube - AK-47 Field Strip

Horn | 09-08-2007 09:28 PM
Re: AK/47 question Congratulations on a fine purchase. Don't worry about the FRNs. You should be pleased for a long time. AKs are designed to be shot and left dirty in the closet.

Anty Ep | 09-08-2007 09:32 PM
Re: AK/47 question I wonder how many people have ever been prosecuted for violating that provision of 922r. anybody? anybody plead out or done any time for it? I doubt it. lmk if you have actual information about that happening.

DBcooper | 09-09-2007 01:26 AM
Re: AK/47 question Simple easy gun fixed it and did a small layer of oil on the spring and the mag release spring,very easy gun to work with. Again thnx all for the info and sites etc. Ohh and called where i purchased it and was assured its legal.

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 09-09-2007 04:31 AM
Re: AK/47 question 1 Attachment(s) These aren't pretty (in fact they're kinda' rough), but the ones I've seen and handled functioned and shot just fine. Price was between $350-$400...

eat_beef | 09-09-2007 03:24 PM
Re: AK/47 question Get the 74. 290FRNs for the rifle, 11 cents per round (delivered) for the ammo.:applause_

DBcooper | 09-09-2007 03:37 PM
Re: AK/47 question I saw some other ones there for as low as 239 i believe folding stock,i think they were sks though.Used and only with one clip.

NOOB | 09-10-2007 06:45 PM
Re: AK/47 question <CENTER>Humorous Comparison of an AK47, an AR15 and a Mosin <TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD>http://www.mouseguns.com/ak47.jpg</TD><TD>http://www.mouseguns.com/ar15.jpg</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> http://www.mouseguns.com/mosin.jpg </CENTER> Written by Head of the old Headsbunker.com, also known as "Ezra Coli" on the various message boards. There's an ever present, unending debate over which is best, ARs or AKs, raging across the internet and in gun shops every day sending bile and bitter insults spewing both ways. This debate has turned fathers against sons, best friends against one another, and........well you get the point. The author is of the opinion that there are of course pros and cons to each family of rifle, and I refuse to engage in what is "best". As one who loves them all, especially the AK and AR series, I thought I'd pass on some of the knowledge I have gained over the years concerning these wildly different weapons. As a bonus, I'll toss in my knowledge of another favorite family of weapons at the Bunker, just because they are very popular these days and I often ramble about them. So, here, for the aid of those hammering one another in the debate, is some unbiased, non-slanted, untainted raw knowledge about the AK, the AR, and the Mosin Nagant. <CENTER><TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 border=2><CAPTION></CAPTION><TBODY><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Stuff you know if you have an AK. </TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Stuff you know if you have an AR </TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Stuff you know if you have a Mosin Nagant </TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>It works though you have never cleaned it. Ever.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic teflon infused oil for cleaning.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600m.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You can hit the farm from two counties over.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Cheap mags are fun to buy.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Cheap mags melt.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>What's a mag?</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your safety can be heard 300m away.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the trigger.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>What's a safety?</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your rifle has a 9 point stealth tactical suspension system.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your rifle has dog collars.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your bayonet is longer than your leg.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You can put a .30" hole through 12" of oak, if you can hit it.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You can put one hole in a paper target at 100m with 30 rounds.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You can knock down everyone else's target just from the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>When out of ammo, your rifle will nominally pass as a club.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great whiffle bat.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Recoil is manageable, even fun.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>What's recoil?</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Recoil often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your sight adjustment goes to '10', and you've never bothered moving it.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of angle.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations most illiterate conscripts.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your rifle won some revolutions.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your rifle won the cold war.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your rifle won a pole vault event.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You paid $350.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You paid $900.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You paid $59.95.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You buy cheap ammo by the case.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You can intimidate your foe with the bayonet mounted.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your foes laugh when you mount your bayonet.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Service life, 50 years.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Service life, 40 years.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Service Life, 100 years.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Its easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change cartridge sizes.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of pins and a new upper.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54r.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith, it's under warranty!</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>If your rifle breaks, you buy a new one.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards to burst into flames.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>After a long day at the range you relax by watching "Red Dawn."</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>After a long day at the range you relax by watching "Blackhawk Down."</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor. THEN you watch "Enemy at the Gates."</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for a stiff shot of Vodka.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for hotdogs and Apple Pie.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for shishkabob.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You can accessorize your rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice stock set.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your rifle's accessories are eight times more valuable than your rifle.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but its buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your rifle's finish is varnish and paint.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your rifle's finish is Teflon and high tech polymers.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your wife tolerates your autographed, framed picture of Mikhail Kalashnikov.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Your wife tolerates your autographed, framed picture of Eugene Stoner.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>You're not sure there WERE cameras to photograph Sergei Mosin.</TD></TR><TR><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout "Wolverines!"</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.</TD><TD borderColor=red borderColorLight=gray borderColorDark=maroon>Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the yard to sleep in.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> There you have it. In the end, it is clear to any open minded inquirer that the Mosin Nagant is the most superior weapon of all time, but the AR and the AK come out as a draw when compared side by side. </CENTER>http://www.mouseguns.com/header.gif

buff01 | 09-10-2007 07:05 PM
Re: AK/47 question Thanks NOOB, I LOL'd at that!

Krugerrand | 09-10-2007 09:26 PM
Re: AK/47 question Quote:
Originally Posted by buff01 (Post 731271) Thanks NOOB, I LOL'd at that!
Ditto! Very amusing. :D :haha:

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