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Alric | 05-23-2006 08:10 PM
Helping others Besides stocking extra food for them or something, is there anyway to help sheeple if TSHTF? I mean people who dont believe anything will ever happen or is to lazy to do any real planning no matter what you tell them. I mean sure its easy to say "oh well to bad if they don't plan", but what about people in your family and stuff who don't do anything at all to plan? I don't mean doing everything for them, but is there any little things you can do that would help them out if something ever happened?

Book | 05-23-2006 08:24 PM
Re: Helping others Canadian version: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. The shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others less fortunate like him are cold and starving. CBC shows up to provide live coverage of the shivering grasshopper, with cuts to a video of the ant in his comfortable warm home with a table filled with food. Canadians are stunned that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so while others have plenty. The NDP, the CAW and the Coalition Against Poverty demonstrate in front of the ant's house. The CBC, interrupting an Inuit cultural festival special from Nunavut with breaking news, broadcasts them singing "We Shall Overcome." Svend Robinson rants in an interview with Pamela Wallin that the ant has gotten rich off the backs of grasshoppers, and calls for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share." In response to polls, the Liberal Government drafts the Economic Equity and Grasshopper Anti-Discrimination Act, retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The ant's taxes are reassessed and he is also fined for failing to hire grasshoppers as helpers. Without enough money to pay both the fine and his newly imposed retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government. The ant moves to the US, starts a successful agribiz company. The CBC later shows the now fat grasshopper finishing up the last of the ant's food though spring is still months away, while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he hadn't maintained it. Inadequate government funding is blamed, Roy Romanow is appointed to head a commission of enquiry that will cost $10,000,000. The grasshopper is soon dead of a drug overdose, the Toronto Star blames it on obvious failure of government to address the root causes of despair arising from social inequity. The abandoned house is taken over by a gang of immigrant spiders, praised by the government for enriching Canada's multicultural diversity, who promptly terrorize the community.

hoarder | 05-23-2006 08:45 PM
Re: Helping others That was funny, Book. I don't see this as a redistribution issue, though. Although many don't plan because they would rather play victim and be parasites, most of the middle class works their butts off but doesn't prepare simply because their TV's have stolen their minds. I think all of us should hoard rice and beans to generously trade them for fuel and other niceties WTSHTF. I can't stand the sight of starving kids. To answer Alrics question, I think the time to help them is now. We need to warn them even if they don't want to hear it. Just go around and plant little seeds of thought here and there to counteract media lies and propaganda.

wallew | 05-23-2006 08:52 PM
Re: Helping others What ACTUALLY happened was the ANT, when faced by government forces, called on all his other ARMY ANT buddies, they all pulled their M16's out and KILLED all the grasshoppers, media and government people. THEN they settled down to a long cold winter without any further interruption from anyone... Be prepared to protect what you have, cause if you don't some 'do gooder' will say it belongs to someone else. Which it does not.

Alric | 05-23-2006 08:54 PM
Re: Helping others Even if they do take the time to plan though a lot of people put it off untill "later". The problem comes when later becomes the day after TSHTF. The other problem is they might do something but then forget about it never to think about it again.

Tn...Andy | 05-23-2006 08:57 PM
Re: Helping others Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew Be prepared to protect what you have, cause if you don't some 'do gooder' will say it belongs to someone else. Which it does not.
A-dadgum-men there Wallew.

JC Refuge | 05-23-2006 10:20 PM
Re: Helping others Helping others is something either you do now and will continue to do when times get worse, or you don't and never will. Personally, a couple of years ago, I got to the point where I had done all I cared to do to prepare my household for bad times. But I realized that it would all be for naught unless a whole lot of others did something for themselves in the way of preparing their households for crises. I considered what I could do to help that along and decided I would start a crisis-preparedness business that aimed at folks who weren't inclined to think of Armageddon every other day, if at all. The short version--it's been an interesting journey so far and we are really only in the beginning stages, but we've found a huge unrecognized market out there and we have big plans to continue to reach more of those who are receptive but have little opportunity to find the kind of products they know deep down that they ought to have on hand. My point is, in answer to your question, Alric--do whatever you think needs to be done. The heck with those who have preconceived notions about why you shouldn't do something ... or why you shouldn't think a certain way ... or what it means if you believe something they don't. Be the Lone Ranger and every once in a while you'll actually end up making a difference with a few folks you reach. None of us can change the whole world. But we will most certainly make NO impact if we decide not to give it every effort.

drewk4 | 05-23-2006 10:37 PM
Re: Helping others Quote:
Originally Posted by Book Canadian version: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. The shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others less fortunate like him are cold and starving. CBC shows up to provide live coverage of the shivering grasshopper, with cuts to a video of the ant in his comfortable warm home with a table filled with food. Canadians are stunned that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so while others have plenty. The NDP, the CAW and the Coalition Against Poverty demonstrate in front of the ant's house. The CBC, interrupting an Inuit cultural festival special from Nunavut with breaking news, broadcasts them singing "We Shall Overcome." Svend Robinson rants in an interview with Pamela Wallin that the ant has gotten rich off the backs of grasshoppers, and calls for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share." In response to polls, the Liberal Government drafts the Economic Equity and Grasshopper Anti-Discrimination Act, retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The ant's taxes are reassessed and he is also fined for failing to hire grasshoppers as helpers. Without enough money to pay both the fine and his newly imposed retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government. The ant moves to the US, starts a successful agribiz company. The CBC later shows the now fat grasshopper finishing up the last of the ant's food though spring is still months away, while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he hadn't maintained it. Inadequate government funding is blamed, Roy Romanow is appointed to head a commission of enquiry that will cost $10,000,000. The grasshopper is soon dead of a drug overdose, the Toronto Star blames it on obvious failure of government to address the root causes of despair arising from social inequity. The abandoned house is taken over by a gang of immigrant spiders, praised by the government for enriching Canada's multicultural diversity, who promptly terrorize the community.
Right on the money........:clap2:

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 05-24-2006 12:31 AM
Re: Helping others Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew Be prepared to protect what you have, cause if you don't some 'do gooder' will say it belongs to someone else. Which it does not.
Bingo. I seldom read survivalblog.com anymore, but back when I did I had to laugh and shake my head whenever I read Mr. Rawles' homilies about how you should stock up on extra XYZ for people who didn't prepare, because "that's your Christian duty." Wrong. If he really believes that then he's either mind-bendingly naive concerning human nature and the depths of human depravity or is quite simply a fool. Unfortunately, he'll likely pay with his life or those of his family members before he ever figures out where he went wrong in this regard. A Bible-believer's "Christian duty" is to witness the Gospel in-season and out of season, reproving and rebuking with all longsuffering and patience - and I'm paraphrasing, of course. Beyond that the only "help" one is obligated to offer is to warn the uniformed and the ignorant regarding what appears to lie ahead of us, and encourage them to take prudent steps to prep for it NOW. Anyone preaching any other doctrine is following a works-based Gospel, and should be disregarded. Your family and your continued ability to protect them trump all other considerations. After the balloon goes up those folks in the world who spent their time trying to score a new Benz or slaving away to pay for their McMansions will very quickly redefine the word desperation. Anyone stupid enough to extend a helping hand to such people will likely find their own throats cut for as little as a potato chip.

negative1 | 05-24-2006 12:40 AM
Re: Helping others Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric Besides stocking extra food for them or something, is there anyway to help sheeple if TSHTF?
Are you feeding them to fatten them up to use as a food source later? You can't feed them all. If you feed one word will get out that you have food and your food will be gone in a flash. If they don't have food that is because they were stupid... they will end up eating each other if things get bad enough. -1

Alric | 05-24-2006 01:45 AM
Re: Helping others Well I was thinking mostly of family and close friends and the like. Hopefully your mother isn't going to cut your throat for a piece of toast.

wallew | 05-25-2006 06:34 PM
Re: Helping others Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric Well I was thinking mostly of family and close friends and the like. Hopefully your mother isn't going to cut your throat for a piece of toast.
Alric, Go read Terri Hatchers new book about 'Burned Toast'. Then get back with us...

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 05-26-2006 07:51 PM
Re: Helping others Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric Well I was thinking mostly of family and close friends and the like. Hopefully your mother isn't going to cut your throat for a piece of toast.
If you don't like the answers, don't ask the question.

Book | 05-26-2006 08:43 PM
Re: Helping others 1 Attachment(s) Attachment 14948 Alric...this Great Depression mother would feed you to her children if necessary. Don't watch so much television... :wavey:

Alric | 05-26-2006 08:55 PM
Re: Helping others I don't believe your family is going to kill you for a second. You have to go far past SHTF into TEOTWAWKI before you get that kind of stuff. Atleast a normal family. Some families really hate each other to start with, if that was the case I wouldn't be worried about them though.

Book | 05-26-2006 09:50 PM
Re: Helping others Alric...meet the Donner Family: http://home.aol.com/DanMRosen/donner/survivor.htm

Keef | 05-28-2006 05:31 AM
Re: Helping others NEVER tell anyone about your survival plans. I tell people who know me I lost all my gold/silver on bad investments in the stock market and the guy from work who caught me at walmart buying survival goods I told, "I'm a camping entusiast." I recently returned from a third world country (Philippines). If you get a chance, go visit a truly poor country. Forget the tourist trap/cruise bullshit and see for yourself how people live when the going gets tough... Your enemies will not be just the occasional stranger who stumble across your path. YOUR REAL enemies are (well, yourself first and then so called family/friends). Spoiled fat american idol americans have NO IDEA what people are capable of in a desperate situation... The people who can hurt you the most are the ones you hold the dearest.. This life is NOT a game, deal/no deal. You are NOT responsible for ANYONE but yourself and your children, until they reach adulthood. Stop the trucking industry for one month/one year. These so called 'freinds' of yours will turn you into the NWO for a can of beans.. We (our society) has turned its' collective back on the giver of life and we will pay a great price for this tragic mistake. And listen to Book and turn that friggen TV off to give ur brain a rest. You might even wake up from ur sleep.

Book | 05-28-2006 09:28 AM
Re: Helping others 1 Attachment(s) Attachment 15020 Alric: This is a common sight during GOOD TIMES in America. Friends and family don't get more compassionate WTSHTF. :birthday: <<< won't be like this much longer

Alric | 05-28-2006 01:00 PM
Re: Helping others No offence but that is a horrible way to look at life. Your basicly saying theres no one in the world you can trust. And if you can't trust someone when the times are bad, you never could really trust them anyway. If a real friend is going to beat someone up and steal their food it would be someone else, and they would share with you. I guess wandering gangs and thugs have better friends than people on this forum. They will turn on each other for a lot of money but atleast they wont kill each other for a little food, they will go kill someone else for it. Forget that, if the only thing I had left was a single piece of toast, I would just give it to them. What are you going to live an extra 3 hours because of you ate a piece of toast? Its not worth killing you best friend for. If you can't trust them WTSHTF you can't trust them now. And if you can't trust anyone now I guess you don't have any friends.

wallew | 05-28-2006 01:11 PM
Re: Helping others Actually I DO have friends that I DO TRUST with watching my back. NONE of them are relatives. Alric, you do what you gotta do. Just remember that when you give up your 'last' piece of toast to those thugs, do you ACTUALLY THINK they will take that and then believe you when you say you ain't got no more. They (and most others) will kill you for food, water, etc. Hell, I know people that in the middle of a smoking withdrawal would kill you if they THOUGHT you MIGHT have any kind of tobacco to relieve THEIR PAIN. So you go ahead. That will be one less people in the long run that I will have to worry about in SHTF.

negative1 | 05-28-2006 01:33 PM
Re: Helping others Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric No offence but that is a horrible way to look at life. Your basicly saying theres no one in the world you can trust. And if you can't trust someone when the times are bad, you never could really trust them anyway.
My one friend (of 18 years) that I could trust with anything died Apr 18 he was 39 and he just dropped dead... now it's just the wife and kids. It is sad but I am dealing with it. Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric If you can't trust them WTSHTF you can't trust them now. And if you can't trust anyone now I guess you don't have any friends.
Your saying that people will not change when it all falls apart? Only the people that were bad before the SHTF will be bad after? -1

Alric | 05-28-2006 01:53 PM
Re: Helping others I never said random people, or even just people in general. I said close friends and family. And thats just what I am saying negative. Not so much that their bad but that you can't trust them. If you can really trust someone, you can always trust them, even WTSHTF. Don't mistake that with people you "think" you can trust though. If you think you trust someone but they never proved it because nothing bad ever happened, then its entirely possible they can't be trusted when things get bad. When things get bad people do not get worse, just the reveal their true selves. If someone "suddenly" turns bad, its most likely that they never really could be trusted in the first place.

volzka | 05-28-2006 02:45 PM
Re: Helping others Hey- Just so as to properly inform those in doubt, and it happened to me personally, courtesy of my brothers' daughter, we live in a land of fiat currency which is also legal tender. If you ask for barter, like gold, and another has none, this can be considered a license to steal. They can use finess(sp?)(trickery because you trust them) to get the merchandise away from you(in my case piggies) and leave a check (good or not) for whatever they think it is worth in fiat and you are simply stuck with it. Try to sue. What this has taught me is there is no person on this planet that I trust, including myself, and especially my family. So, stick your neck out as far as you like, help everybody you want to help because it does feel really good. Just don't say you weren't warned. Volzka:stupid:

Book | 05-28-2006 03:05 PM
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I never said random people, or even just people in general. I said close friends and family. -Alric
Ok...my bullshit-detector just went off Alric. Just for the record, when many here at GIM were placing orders for food storage in another thread recently: HOW MANY CASES OF FOOD DID ALRIC ACTUALLY ORDER SO HE COULD FEED HIS CLOSE FRIENDS AND FAMILY WTSHTF? Quantity of cases ____________ No more words...talk...just the quantity of cases Alric.

Alric | 05-28-2006 03:32 PM
Re: Helping others I don't actually have much room to store food(or much money). I am still building up my own supply. Which is why I specifcally asked if there was anything I could do BESIDES getting more food to help them, because there is a limit to how much I can get. So to answer your question none, but I don't have anything you could call a "case" of food for myself either.

Katie88 | 05-28-2006 03:53 PM
Re: Helping others My sister and I have a rough draft of what we will do, together, in the case of SHTF. It includes uniting friends so close they are like being related. We view it to be safer in small numbers, our food and ammo supplies united, our prep supplies, the variety of more then one person saving up supplies. We also have a plan of WHERE to meet, plan A, plan B etc. I think the one thing we lack and quarrel about is water, we dispute about the safest way to store it. Hopefully we'll resolve that soon since most our supplies need water to reconsitute it. I think knowing trust, and honor is very important even if things don't go all bad in our lifetime. Have a great day :wink: Katie

Book | 05-28-2006 04:06 PM
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I think the one thing we lack and quarrel about is water, we dispute about the safest way to store it. -Katie88
You could teach us all about getting along better if that is your main issue. Inspiring post Katie! :smile:

AMforPM | 05-31-2006 07:27 AM
Re: Helping others I got extra seed to share, because I think gardening wiill become important, and seed suppliers may be overwhelmed. Skills you can share are a big plus too. There have been a lot of collapses and depressions and I have had many conversations with people who lived through the 29 one and a few people did starve to death, but were not cutting up their neighbors or kin over toast. Au contraire, people were taking garden extras to the big family or old widow down the block. I think some people have watched Mad Max too much. We have lost a lot of our sense of community, and that may make it tougher. For sure I would not advertise being prepared. But what JC is doing now, and whatever you can think of to contribute to your family, block, or friends getting through the tough times is good.

Penny Lane | 05-31-2006 07:59 AM
Re: Helping others Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric When things get bad people do not get worse, just the reveal their true selves. If someone "suddenly" turns bad, its most likely that they never really could be trusted in the first place.
A fricken' men to that. A lot of people who think they have friends really don't. They have leeches. A friend should never, ever, ever screw you, no matter how long you knew them. Otherwise they should be cut off and firmly become an acquaintance, if at all. You should be able to leave $10,000 with a friend for safekeeping and ask for it back without the slightest worry that it go missing. If you only confide in those sort of friends when TSHTF, you should not have any worries at all. If you do have these sort of friends and they aren't preparing... lay out the situation for them. Say "If you were doing all this hard work, living below your means, while I goofed off, and TSHTF, would you be inclined to let me have your stuff if there was only food for 1 year?". Should get them thinking.

Ponce Cuba | 06-27-2006 03:20 PM
Re: Helping others Ponce's list consist of Ponce and his two cats. If my VA Dr. and his wife plus my attorney, wife and kid do come over WHSHTF they better bring their own food or they wont be staying here with me....... I'd rather arm one of the crazy druggies from town and feed him :love:

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blueice | 07-01-2006 02:34 AM
Re: Helping others Quote:
Originally Posted by Book (Post 255822) Canadian version: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. The shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others less fortunate like him are cold and starving. CBC shows up to provide live coverage of the shivering grasshopper, with cuts to a video of the ant in his comfortable warm home with a table filled with food. Canadians are stunned that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so while others have plenty. The NDP, the CAW and the Coalition Against Poverty demonstrate in front of the ant's house. The CBC, interrupting an Inuit cultural festival special from Nunavut with breaking news, broadcasts them singing "We Shall Overcome." Svend Robinson rants in an interview with Pamela Wallin that the ant has gotten rich off the backs of grasshoppers, and calls for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share." In response to polls, the Liberal Government drafts the Economic Equity and Grasshopper Anti-Discrimination Act, retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The ant's taxes are reassessed and he is also fined for failing to hire grasshoppers as helpers. Without enough money to pay both the fine and his newly imposed retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government. The ant moves to the US, starts a successful agribiz company. The CBC later shows the now fat grasshopper finishing up the last of the ant's food though spring is still months away, while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he hadn't maintained it. Inadequate government funding is blamed, Roy Romanow is appointed to head a commission of enquiry that will cost $10,000,000. The grasshopper is soon dead of a drug overdose, the Toronto Star blames it on obvious failure of government to address the root causes of despair arising from social inequity. The abandoned house is taken over by a gang of immigrant spiders, praised by the government for enriching Canada's multicultural diversity, who promptly terrorize the community.
Brilliant Master Book, just plain brilliant. :adore: :adore:

Infidel | 07-01-2006 03:05 AM
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Dave Thomas | 07-09-2006 04:28 AM
Re: Helping others Quote:
Originally Posted by Book (Post 255822) Canadian version: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. The shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others less fortunate like him are cold and starving. CBC shows up to provide live coverage of the shivering grasshopper, with cuts to a video of the ant in his comfortable warm home with a table filled with food. Canadians are stunned that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so while others have plenty. The NDP, the CAW and the Coalition Against Poverty demonstrate in front of the ant's house. The CBC, interrupting an Inuit cultural festival special from Nunavut with breaking news, broadcasts them singing "We Shall Overcome." Svend Robinson rants in an interview with Pamela Wallin that the ant has gotten rich off the backs of grasshoppers, and calls for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share." In response to polls, the Liberal Government drafts the Economic Equity and Grasshopper Anti-Discrimination Act, retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The ant's taxes are reassessed and he is also fined for failing to hire grasshoppers as helpers. Without enough money to pay both the fine and his newly imposed retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government. The ant moves to the US, starts a successful agribiz company. The CBC later shows the now fat grasshopper finishing up the last of the ant's food though spring is still months away, while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he hadn't maintained it. Inadequate government funding is blamed, Roy Romanow is appointed to head a commission of enquiry that will cost $10,000,000. The grasshopper is soon dead of a drug overdose, the Toronto Star blames it on obvious failure of government to address the root causes of despair arising from social inequity. The abandoned house is taken over by a gang of immigrant spiders, praised by the government for enriching Canada's multicultural diversity, who promptly terrorize the community.
Holy crap Book, I'm laughing my ass off!

Ponce Cuba | 07-09-2006 12:47 PM
Re: Helping others Food for me, bullets for others......... anything else is a waste of words. "To be ready is not"... Ponce

REV127 | 07-09-2006 10:30 PM
Re: Helping others Have you ever heard of longpig? If not, familiarize yourself, it is real. Have any of you ever truly starved? I have. I have experienced the unsatiated hunger and the intense burning as my muscle was metabolized, about 10lbs of it. I had low bodyfat to start with. There are three things to know about starving people. 1) They will do anything 2) They will eat anything 3) They quickly lose their strength You can't feed the starving. They will consume all you have, turn it into poop and babies, kill you after you run out and they think you're holding out on them, not unlikely eat you depending on how desperate the situation is. If there is a real world-ender of a SHTF there will be a great dying off. Focus your attention on keeping your self, spouse and children alive. There are degrees of SHTF and varying scenarios. If you want to define a limited catastrophe perhaps some better advice on helping others through could be found.

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