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Hivemindgammahydra7 | 10-21-2008 02:13 PM
Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians? Just got off the phone with BQM. Long story short: I want to buy this fuel can for bug-out purposes: http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/ta...%2Flevel3c.tam BQM sells absolutely NO fuel cans to anyone except the government. When I called to ask why, they said "a law was passed a few months ago" that prohibited slaes to non-military organizations and individuals. When I asked where I might buy a good fuel can like the above, all they would say is," don't know." WTF is going on!? Without fuel cans I can't bug out...

Atahualpa | 10-21-2008 02:21 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Metal fuel containers are available from many sources, here is just one...and they have the 5 gallon jerry cans. http://www.toolstoragewarehouse.com/...ontainers.aspx You can also buy heavy duty fuel tanks that fit behind your toolbox in a truck bed from any farm and ranch supply.

SWRichmond | 10-21-2008 02:22 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians http://www.nospill.com/States_Compliance.htm

mick silver | 10-21-2008 02:25 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians go to walmart 5 gallon can 6 bucks

renegade_01 | 10-21-2008 02:28 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians shop around. they are out there. I saw a few the other day at my local army navy store in austin.

Drumblebum | 10-21-2008 02:29 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver (Post 1370607) go to walmart 5 gallon can 6 bucks
Those are what I have been collecting...

damoc | 10-21-2008 02:30 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by SWRichmond (Post 1370601) http://www.nospill.com/States_Compliance.htm
This is probably the most stupid rule out there I have to use these fuel cans a lot for around the farm and I spill more fuel trying to use these no spill CARB contraptions than ever before they are useless and whoever approved this rule or suggested it needs to be made to try and use these "no spill CARB contraptions" before recieving a swift kick in the A.

Fullpower | 10-21-2008 02:30 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians When fuel cans are outlawed... only OUTLAWS will have fuel cans.

SAUM | 10-21-2008 02:43 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians The CCPP (California Committee on Persecution and Protection) won't let you leave anyway. :tongue_ma: They still sell 5 gallon jugs at wally world but they have definitely went up in price.

renegade_01 | 10-21-2008 02:48 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by damoc (Post 1370617) This is probably the most stupid rule out there I have to use these fuel cans a lot for around the farm and I spill more fuel trying to use these no spill CARB contraptions than ever before they are useless and whoever approved this rule or suggested it needs to be made to try and use these "no spill CARB contraptions" before recieving a swift kick in the A.
THANK YOU!..Those things are a waste and IMHO they are more of a hazard than anything. Try to fillup ANYTHING without a freakin vent. STUPID SOCIALIST LIBERAL MORONS :rant: ARRRRRG! IT WOULD COME FROM CALI....

WAoG | 10-21-2008 03:03 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by damoc (Post 1370617) This is probably the most stupid rule out there I have to use these fuel cans a lot for around the farm and I spill more fuel trying to use these no spill CARB contraptions than ever before they are useless and whoever approved this rule or suggested it needs to be made to try and use these "no spill CARB contraptions" before recieving a swift kick in the A.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=455734

damoc | 10-21-2008 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by WAoG (Post 1370688) http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=455734
Thanks that looks like a interesting gadget I have started using one of these and cant recommend them enough.very simple robust and works great. http://www.boatshowproducts.com/super-siphon.html

Quixote2 | 10-21-2008 03:32 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Amazon Amazon http://west.loadup.com/military/surplus/1490.html http://west.loadup.com/military/surplus/1492.html

jamesfrancisco | 10-21-2008 04:35 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by Hivemindgammahydra7 (Post 1370582) Just got off the phone with BQM. Long story short: I want to buy this fuel can for bug-out purposes: BQM sells absolutely NO fuel cans to anyone except the government. When I called to ask why, they said "a law was passed a few months ago" that prohibited slaes to non-military organizations and individuals. When I asked where I might buy a good fuel can like the above, all they would say is," don't know." WTF is going on!? Without fuel cans I can't bug out...
Quit the scaremongering. You have sand coloured plastic cans. Meant for the forces in the desert. Drop a plastic can on sand or dirt? Not a problem. Drop it on a garage forecourt? It may well crack and dump 5 gallons all over the place. You can still buy any metal cans you want. They just dent.

mtnman | 10-21-2008 05:02 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Why would you want to pay $43+shipping for a 5 gallon plastic can???

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 10-21-2008 05:13 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesfrancisco (Post 1370868) Quit the scaremongering.
Quit the hyperbole.

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 10-23-2008 04:50 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesfrancisco (Post 1370868) Quit the scaremongering. You have sand coloured plastic cans. Meant for the forces in the desert. Drop a plastic can on sand or dirt? Not a problem. Drop it on a garage forecourt? It may well crack and dump 5 gallons all over the place. You can still buy any metal cans you want. They just dent.
it is about freedom, not choice

jamesfrancisco | 10-23-2008 05:13 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians No, it's about safety, not choice. 5 gallons of petrol spilling on a concrete forecourt is not safe. A 5 gallon plastic can has a fairly high risk of cracking if dropped from a height like the back of a truck. A 5 gallon metal can will just dent. and HivemindGammahydra7 - the hyperbole was on your part "Oh god, I can't bug out unless I pay �50 for a 5 gallon plastic can!!!" Get metal cans for �10 apiece from your local surplus place, flea market, yard sale. Be happy with them. They will last wirtually forever and take a hell of a lot of abuse. If I was offered a plastic can or metal for the same price, I would pick metal every time - and I suspect most on here who know a bit about storing or carrying petrol would do the same. Sand coloured plastic, apart from anything else, is not opaque - so light gets to your petrol and it degrades faster. Really - go with metal jerry cans.

Saul Mine | 10-23-2008 10:45 PM
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What's a "CARB" can? CARB stands for California Air Resources Board. They established environmental requirements for portable fuel containers in California. Some other states have also adopted these requirements. U.S. EPA plans to adopt similar national requirements in January 2009. No-Spill meets these requirements with the following features: 1. An autostop, self venting nozzle that stops the flow of fuel when the target tank reaches full. 2. A single opening for filling & pouring. No separate vents or openings. 3. A treated can body for very low permeation. 4. Automatic closure. Nozzle automatically springs to the closed position when not pouring.
Uh, excuse me, there has to be a hole to let air in and another hole to let gas out. They might be combined in one place, but they still have to be two separate holes. I notice also that this idiocy comes from California. I thought I had gotten away from California. Why is that land of nuts and fruits still trying to run every detail of my life when I don't live there?

TechGuy | 10-23-2008 10:53 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Typical of well meaning liberal commie pinko's... The new 'improved' carb cans spill MUCH more gas due to improper venting and those ridiculous self closing valves. All in the name of protecting the environment. HELLO, spilled gas is worse than a few fumes from a vent cap that is left open. You can't even get a diesel can that isn't carb compliant any more. What they are protecting from here I am not sure. Next up, carb complaint quarts of oil. What a joke this place we call home has become. Give me libert...er gas cans that work. :censored::censored::censored::censored::censored: :censored::censored::censored:

Twisted Avatar | 10-23-2008 10:55 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by Fullpower (Post 1370625) When fuel cans are outlawed... only OUTLAWS will have fuel cans.
And whatever it is they outlaw YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE IT!!

WAoG | 10-23-2008 11:12 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by damoc (Post 1370741) Thanks that looks like a interesting gadget I have started using one of these and cant recommend them enough.very simple robust and works great. http://www.boatshowproducts.com/super-siphon.html
Thank you. I think this is what I have been looking for? You know how long they are?

damoc | 10-23-2008 11:28 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians the hose is about 3 to 4 feet but you can put on any length of hose and it will still function its got like a little marble in the brass end that you just jiggle to start the suction flow. no more mouthfulls of gasoline

Dutch Dog | 10-24-2008 07:11 AM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by damoc (Post 1375554) the hose is about 3 to 4 feet but you can put on any length of hose and it will still function its got like a little marble in the brass end that you just jiggle to start the suction flow. no more mouthfulls of gasoline
I bought one at NAPA but haven't used it yet. Those CARB fuell cans SUCK bigh time. I have several and have been trying to find some non carb kind with no luck. The real great thing about them is that they are short in length (the nozzle) and I can't get it into my car gas tank far enough to open the metal flap that's in the opening. There has to be a mod one can do to these stupid nozzles. I spent a full day trying to make this work with no luck.

Bill843 | 10-24-2008 10:45 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians I went looking (from US online retailers) for a odd-shaped gas can some months back (fairly tall and narrow to fit on a odd vehicle I had built) and could only find TWO companies in the US that were making and selling plastic gas cans--Blitz and Scepter--and both of them were cheap shoddy things. Wal-mart cans. These gas cans are junk, they are absolute crap. They cannot be depended upon not to leak if they so much as fall over on their side--never mind what might happen if they fell two or three feet when full. I didn't expect them to stop 30-06 bullets but really. Other than the two cheap plastics, there are the round, squat safety cans that are metal. ------- I think if/when I start hoarding fuel I would just get me some clean 55-gal drums and do it that way. I'd need a couple smaller 5-gal cans to transfer fuel to/from the drums, but wouldn't waste any more money on buying small cans than that. -end-

Tallships | 10-24-2008 10:53 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Heres what you need. http://www.jmesales.com/showimage.ax...0&w=500&id=316

blueice | 10-25-2008 01:47 AM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Another funny thread!!:111::111:

jamesfrancisco | 10-25-2008 06:55 AM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by TechGuy (Post 1375514) All in the name of protecting the environment. HELLO, spilled gas is worse than a few fumes from a vent cap that is left open.
My gas cap is a plastic bag covered with an old dishcloth shoved into the opening - needless to say, I don't expect the little pickup to pass it's next MoT (Inspection). The moss growing up the bonnet (hood) is probably another bad sign... :wink:

Littleparkerboy | 07-20-2009 02:56 AM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians When I went to Target I found the same cans but they're not as good as what I found online.

Dutch Dog | 07-20-2009 06:21 AM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by WAoG (Post 1370688) http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=455734
I bought one of those and promptly broke it in it's first use. Chinese junk..if only it was of decent build quality then it would be great.

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wallew | 07-20-2009 09:56 AM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Dang H, I thought I posted on this one already. Apparently not. Contact Patrick Robb at Cold War Remarketing. He had a TON of the Nato Jerry cans you seek. The BIG problem will be finding the spouts to fit them. I bought the last six he had. I still have a couple left. PM ME and we'll talk. AFTER you get your cans... http://www.coldwarremarketing.com/

Tallships | 07-20-2009 09:58 AM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Actually, CARB stands for Communists And Rapist Bureau.

Publico, Pro Se | 07-20-2009 11:24 AM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians So only the military can purchase the fuel cans that you want. ... Aren't you part of the militia? End of problem. Order all you want.

Dirty Harry | 07-20-2009 09:55 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Try Maine Military Supply https://www.mainemilitary.com/produc...idproduct=1281

southfork | 07-20-2009 10:19 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Try www.northerntool.com

ToBeSelfEvident | 07-21-2009 11:53 AM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians I recently bought a brand new 5-gal metal safety can at a yard sale for $15. Made by Eagle MFG in Wellsburg, WV, it's so heavy-duty it's almost like an industrial work of art. The filler cap spring is so strong, it's difficult to open, but there's no way this thing will spill. I can carry it in the interior of my car and it doesn't smell. Very similar to this one made by Justrite: https://www.northerntool.com/images/.../179115_lg.gif Expensive, though - Northern Tool sells them for $75 - but it might be just the thing for a bugout vehicle.

CyberGold | 07-21-2009 02:15 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians I just buy the metal ones at the flea market for $3. You asked why they won't sell em to you... they probably don't meet CARB regs like others already said... from a goog search.... The California Air Resources Board (CARB) is more than just a statewide agency. CARB regulations are followed by all of the states except one (Missouri) and by several other countries. ..mostly in Europe. The federal government charged CARB with the responsibility of creating and implementing a testing program which certifies vapor recovery products. The federal government also gave the states the option of following the CARB regulations or implementing their own testing program and adopting their own regulations. The only state to adopt their own program was Missouri. As a result CARB is the de facto federal program for all other states. Shields, Harper's president, Bart Scowley, represents the Petroleum Equipment Institute (PEl) on CARB's Enhanced Vapor Recovery (EVR) committee. Significant changes are expected to be implemented in both Phase I and Phase II vapor recovery equipment beginning in mid 2001 and continuing until 2005. The enforcement of CARB's regulations is carried out by local agencies in the various states. Agencies vary from state to state.

Ernest Money | 07-21-2009 02:36 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians It simply cannot be done? There must be a significant lack of fuel can salesmen.

Bill843 | 07-21-2009 05:34 PM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by ToBeSelfEvident (Post 1828089) I recently bought a brand new 5-gal metal safety can at a yard sale for $15. Made by Eagle MFG in Wellsburg, WV, it's so heavy-duty it's almost like an industrial work of art. The filler cap spring is so strong, it's difficult to open, but there's no way this thing will spill. I can carry it in the interior of my car and it doesn't smell. Very similar to this one made by Justrite: https://www.northerntool.com/images/.../179115_lg.gif Expensive, though - Northern Tool sells them for $75 - but it might be just the thing for a bugout vehicle.
The issue with the Scepter cans is that because they're square and tall, you can pack them more efficiently (into a smaller space, that is). I'm finding a few sources of 5-gal jerry cans for water. You could just spray-paint them red. I have not found any info that the water cans are any different than the fuel cans, except in the color, and that the fuel cans have triple handles instead of a single handle (which is just a convention the military in many countries has switched to, to avoid confusion between fuel and water cans). This different number of handles also means that the water cans will not fit into the external military-fuel-can holders, but who cares... If SHTF, you wouldn't want your fuel hanging right out where everyone could get their mitts on it anyway. -end-

dimitri | 07-22-2009 02:04 AM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians To all those hitting this thread: You can STILL buy fuel cans. There are CARB (do the research) restrictions in some states. You can no longer buy military Jerry Cans in some states (Connecticut in particular). The CARB cans are composed of polymers and utilize a push-nozzle and no vent. The push-nozzle is activated by pushing the nozzle into the fuel-line which applies pressure to the nozzle setting it in place to allow flow of fluids. There is not a vent, so it gulps to draw fluid - making it rather inefficient. If there is a rush and this is an issue, then you can make a vent it in several ways.

wallew | 07-22-2009 09:57 AM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians My apologies to every one. Patrick Robb sold me the Nato Jerry cans for $10. The link is in my previous post in this thread. Sorry, should have included the price.

Prometheus | 07-27-2009 10:28 AM
Re: Fuel cans CANNOT be sold to civilians Quote:
Originally Posted by dimitri (Post 1829597) To all those hitting this thread: You can STILL buy fuel cans. There are CARB (do the research) restrictions in some states. You can no longer buy military Jerry Cans in some states (Connecticut in particular). The CARB cans are composed of polymers and utilize a push-nozzle and no vent. The push-nozzle is activated by pushing the nozzle into the fuel-line which applies pressure to the nozzle setting it in place to allow flow of fluids. There is not a vent, so it gulps to draw fluid - making it rather inefficient. If there is a rush and this is an issue, then you can make a vent it in several ways.
I have a couple of them. Oh how they suck! Total crap. Takes 10 minutes (at least) to empty the 5 gal can. As mentioned previously the spouts are short and difficult to fuel a car. In a rush I'd use my knife and punch a hole in the back top of the container so it'd empty faster. Also these stupid CARB caps don't actually 'seal' the spout so it's constantly venting fumes in the air. Oh how they suck. I can't figure out how these things are more enviromentally friendly. SOME people may not close the vent on regular cans but EVERYONE of these new cans don't friggin seal right. Whats worse? :s10: I keep looking for 'older' style cans to no avail. I have 2 and I'm not selling them.

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