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JJ_ | 11-17-2008 01:04 PM
Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Hasn't even happened- yet the slow bleed in the UK's economy is already putting a strain on natural resources there - with no reguard for natural or any other law or respect for the land. If this is an indication, it looks like there's a possibility that game could be taxed even earlier than previously postulated by many in the know. Game beware: it's the return of the poacher snip: Quote:
Police in rural areas across Britain are reporting a dramatic increase in poaching, as the rise in food prices and the reality of recession increases the temptation to deal in stolen venison, salmon, or rarer meat and fish. Organised and sometimes armed gangs of poachers are accused of behaving dangerously, intimidating residents, causing damage to crops or to gates and fences. Squads have also been out in the countryside "lamping" {recon tha's spot lightin' for my fellow rednecks}, poachers using lights to transfix animals.
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Twisted Avatar | 11-17-2008 01:26 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF And since the Homeowner is unarmed and can go to jail for life if he is... The poachers act with absolute impunity. @$$holes. T

hypervel | 11-17-2008 01:50 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Think about it--leave the folks with a bunch of 12 flb air rifles. They dump beaucoup dollars into them and become PROFICIENT marksmen. Poaching doesn't necessarily mean high power rifles. Snares and airguns will feed you but good. Besides, the English have been getting rear ended by their government for quite a while now. Why would anybody expect them to adhere to the laws of the land when many/most of the laws are of dubious value to the commoner. In a reasonably free and fair country where laws mean something I don't at all agree with the idea or practice of poaching. In a land of laws for law's sake, well, what value is the law? I read the selected text about "the folk" or whatever being pressed into submitting to the will of the poacher. I don't know about that. English press is even worse than US press when it comes to psy-op qualities. Many English believe guns are bad. (I am against crescent wrenches, but my blood is mostly German....) Believing a tool is bad is the result of conditioning and:wink: stunted sexuality. Wait until food gets real slim in a year or two. That's when the REAL violence in Britain will start...

pairunoyd | 11-17-2008 02:14 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1420455) And since the Homeowner is unarmed and can go to jail for life if he is... The poachers act with absolute impunity. @$$holes. T
you nailed it, my twisted friend. :emotions16:

Rumplestiltskin | 11-17-2008 02:27 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Uh, the two gents in the photo allowed that to be taken? I think not. Quote:
In Henley-on-Thames, in south Oxfordshire, the local MP, John Howell, has asked police to meet farmers and gamekeepers furious about the increase in poaching, after several dead hares and vehicles tracks were found on two farms.
So supposedly these armed bandits are just sport shooting? Reads like more terrorism against the tax base. Move into the city where we can keep our eyes on you. Ta.

Silvestor | 11-17-2008 03:43 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF If things get really ugly many rural dogs and pigs will be eating well. http://i36.tinypic.com/t7y7og.gif

Ag_man | 11-17-2008 04:39 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF I understand a lot of poaching in the UK is done by Gypsies. They will eat anything.

Twisted Avatar | 11-17-2008 04:53 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumplestiltskin (Post 1420562) So supposedly these armed bandits are just sport shooting? Reads like more terrorism against the tax base. Move into the city where we can keep our eyes on you.
You know I never pondered that one........ makes alot of sense.......... It plays right into there agenda for Total information awarness. T

JJ_ | 11-17-2008 04:59 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF I'm not sure you all are getting the point. The argument has been made in the past to the effect of hunting and living off the land... That's crap. This proves it. TS hasn't even HTF yet and game is already being impacted in this example. Imagine what it will be like when :fan:. Elmer Fudd's dead in 2 weeks tops. Granted we've got more game here in the states... But I recon it won't be long and we'll be noticing more spotlighting on backroads... Then http://www.pasarmored.com/images/Tru...llet_Holes.jpg they get what they deserve:s15: :rofl:

Ag_man | 11-17-2008 05:56 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF No, I get it. A year after the real SHTF, there isn't going to be a sparrow, squirrel or rabbit left in the wild.

Twisted Avatar | 11-17-2008 06:11 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1420817) No, I get it. A year after the real SHTF, there isn't going to be a sparrow, squirrel or rabbit left in the wild.
Its funny that you mention that . It was said Thats how people in the midwest Knew the depression was over: When the saw a wild rabbit romping around and didnt see nobody chasing after it. T

Squirrel Bait | 11-17-2008 06:12 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Yep, we've had this discussion here before. Ended up with the same conclusion. Within 6 months to a year there will be very little game left to hunt or trap. Dad used to tell stories about back in the 30's deer were almost none existant in central Illinois. Now they're like rats with antlers. That will change. Hopefully there won't be any nukes going off or that will make it even worse. s

AMforPM | 11-17-2008 09:31 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF White tail deer were nearly wiped out in Kentucky during the depression too.

Agamemnon | 11-17-2008 10:35 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by AMforPM (Post 1421137) White tail deer were nearly wiped out in Kentucky during the depression too.
We wiped out a few this weekend too ... :) .

Lackluster | 11-18-2008 06:59 AM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1420756) TS hasn't even HTF yet and game is already being impacted in this example.
Well, I have two comments. England is a tiny island with almost all arable land being farmed. Also, there is a long history of poaching in England. Game laws have been the excuse England has used for gun control for centuries. I highly reccomend this book. Amazon Amazon http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...SH20_OU01_.jpg" target="_blank">http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...SH20_OU01_.jpg Amazon

JJ_ | 11-18-2008 10:13 AM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by Lackluster (Post 1421557) Well, I have two comments. England is a tiny island with almost all arable land being farmed.
How does that relate to Poaching?- The only tie-in I see re: your comment here is that they are having to resort to this because their agricultural industry isn't cutting it. Is that an excuse? My premise here is due to that and other econohardships that illegal game getting has begun in ernest in the UK to the detriment of wildlife resources there. Across the pond- in the States- I postulate that this will be a problem as well - leading up to the time of REAL hardship thus further decreasing the opportunity to rely on game as a means of sustenance or even suppliment for that matter when infact TSHTF. If I read you wrong- do say. Quote:
Originally Posted by Lackluster (Post 1421557) Also, there is a long history of poaching in England. Game laws have been the excuse England has used for gun control for centuries.
Again - same problem in the States- Heck - I took a few rabbits, squirrels and fowl that I wasn't supposed to in my younger dumber days and I'm plenty aware of gun control schemes. Please clarify.

pairunoyd | 11-18-2008 11:31 AM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF You can always raise animals to eat. Even dogs if need be.

Lars Ragnarsson | 11-18-2008 10:18 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by pairunoyd (Post 1421902) You can always raise animals to eat. Even dogs if need be.
Q: What do you call a Somalian with three dogs? A: A caterer. Q: What do you call a Somalian with 10 dogs? A: A rancher.

Noble | 11-18-2008 11:12 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1420395) Hasn't even happened- yet the slow bleed in the UK's economy is already putting a strain on natural resources there - with no reguard for natural or any other law or respect for the land. If this is an indication, it looks like there's a possibility that game could be taxed even earlier than previously postulated by many in the know. Game beware: it's the return of the poacher snip: </EM>
Obama could go to school on Robin Hood. Taking from the rich to give to the poor and all. Poaching the King's deer from Sherwood forest is wrong. Erol Flynn reportedly had bad breath.

gasilat | 11-19-2008 01:11 AM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF 1 Attachment(s) yeah...realistically only a few folks could subsist on hunting during a lengthy shtf scenario...most of the critters within five miles of the road systems would be gone in short order...then ten miles....then... all the predators (competition for the food source) would be eradicated by necessity by the local hunters...the eagles, hawks, owls, wolves, coyote, bears, etc... still...a few folks could make it with subsistence hunting but they would need to be very selective on where they holed up at during that time... i think i'm one of the few that could do it... moose that wandered through our yard this week... ....

JD4x4 | 11-19-2008 03:44 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF http://www.i4at.org/lib2/rabbits.htm

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 11-19-2008 07:50 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by My Land POACHERS WILL BE SHOT
versus UK Quote:
Originally Posted by The Future Poachers will be asked repeatedly to leave
go a little farther into the future... Quote:
Originally Posted by A future of injustice upon the downtrodden Set traps are illegal, but so is trespassing.

Tumbleweed | 11-19-2008 08:56 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF It's not just wildlife that will get shot and butchered in a shit hit the fan situation but livestock as well. Over the years I've heard of a lot of cattle dissapearing at night with nothing but a gut pile left behind near the cities.

electric-amish | 11-19-2008 10:48 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF How could we find out what the price of meat is? I wonder if theres a significant difference from here in the states. I hadn't heard of English food issues before this. E-A

Unclad Lad | 11-20-2008 12:35 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
How could we find out what the price of meat is? I wonder if theres a significant difference from here in the states.
Price might not be the issue. Governments can impose price controls to lower the cost. Scarcity is the issue. Look at the current PM prices--Platinum is lower than ever, but good luck finding any that someone will sell you.

jamesfrancisco | 11-20-2008 05:11 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF My BO place is an island on a lake - I had signs put up maybe 10 years ago saying "Trespassing is prohibited - WARNING, LIVE SHOOTING RANGE" Did nothing, people still occasionally came to the island and camped on the lawn. Now I have 22 signs around the places you could land a boat on the island saying "WARNING- TRAPPING IN PROGRESS" with a picture of a stick man getting his leg caught in a bear trap. I also put one sign up at the proper jetty I have at the far side of the island, saying - "WARNING - RADIATION HAZARD". No specifics, just the hazard. It seems to have stopped the scum from coming near the island for now. I might get a few rusty oil drums, spray paint them with nuclear waste warnings, and leave them about.

Dapper Dan | 11-23-2008 01:00 AM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1420395) Hasn't even happened- yet the slow bleed in the UK's economy is already putting a strain on natural resources there - with no reguard for natural or any other law or respect for the land. If this is an indication, it looks like there's a possibility that game could be taxed even earlier than previously postulated by many in the know. Game beware: it's the return of the poacher snip: </EM>
Hunting for personal or family sustinence is a natural right. Poaching is doing it for commercial or frivolous purposes.

Lackluster | 11-23-2008 06:08 AM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 1421762) How does that relate to Poaching?- The only tie-in I see re: your comment here is that they are having to resort to this because their agricultural industry isn't cutting it. Is that an excuse? My premise here is due to that and other econohardships that illegal game getting has begun in ernest in the UK to the detriment of wildlife resources there. Across the pond- in the States- I postulate that this will be a problem as well - leading up to the time of REAL hardship thus further decreasing the opportunity to rely on game as a means of sustenance or even suppliment for that matter when infact TSHTF. If I read you wrong- do say. Again - same problem in the States- Heck - I took a few rabbits, squirrels and fowl that I wasn't supposed to in my younger dumber days and I'm plenty aware of gun control schemes. Please clarify.
Well, as far as the land thing, all I meant was I believe that there is much less wildlife in britain per capita, because there are far fewer wild places. I may be wrong. Therefore Britains will have less of a chance of getting meat on the table via hunting. As far as poaching/gun control, it was just a comment. The threat of poaching is historically the excuse the English aristocracy used to control guns.

Fullpower | 11-24-2008 12:48 AM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Hunting may well be your 'natural' right, but please stay out of my yard.

Squirrel Bait | 11-24-2008 01:22 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesfrancisco (Post 1426922) My BO place is an island on a lake - I had signs put up maybe 10 years ago saying "Trespassing is prohibited - WARNING, LIVE SHOOTING RANGE" Did nothing, people still occasionally came to the island and camped on the lawn. Now I have 22 signs around the places you could land a boat on the island saying "WARNING- TRAPPING IN PROGRESS" with a picture of a stick man getting his leg caught in a bear trap. I also put one sign up at the proper jetty I have at the far side of the island, saying - "WARNING - RADIATION HAZARD". No specifics, just the hazard. It seems to have stopped the scum from coming near the island for now. I might get a few rusty oil drums, spray paint them with nuclear waste warnings, and leave them about.
Someone's gonna go nutso on you and get the EPA out there. Then hundreds will know about your BO. Just try to make it look less hospitable. A few dead animals lying around would help. s

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WeNeedARevolution | 11-24-2008 02:17 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF This kind of goes with something I was thinking about this weekend while walking the dogs on the beach. I live about a block from the ocean...but about 20 miles from the 'woods'. I'd say with fishing and the occasional crustaceans, I could do ok, but... what about seagulls? I've heard that seabirds don't have the best taste, but I'm sure in a SHTF sitation, I wouldn't care TOO much about the taste.

Twisted Avatar | 11-24-2008 03:17 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by Tumbleweed (Post 1425342) Over the years I've heard of a lot of cattle dissapearing at night with nothing but a gut pile left behind near the cities.
Now who the hell is passing up on that tripe??? That is good eating in some parts of the world. T

jamesfrancisco | 11-24-2008 03:55 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 1432705) Someone's gonna go nutso on you and get the EPA out there. Then hundreds will know about your BO. Just try to make it look less hospitable. A few dead animals lying around would help. s
There is no EPA, my BO place is in the UK. Just the Environmental Heritage Service, who I have let know about everything - they are as keen as I am to keep scum off the island. And the local police, who get a bottle of the good stuff now and again to aid them in warning people off. And the Army, who once every couple of months "search" the big boathouse for 3 hours around lunchtime. The boathouse is empty. They light a fire, cook their lunch, then clean up after themselves and leave a note saying that the boathouse has been searched. Keeps them out of the rain, and I leave firewood there for them. We are on good terms. And all the local farmers are well armed and provisioned, and keep an eye out for "strangers". They don't take kindly to strangers round that neck of the woods.

melody | 11-24-2008 09:38 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Over the weekend I was getting some firewood off my state forest land. I was one of the lucky ones that arrived early enough and stood in line an hour before they opened to get my permit. While I was getting the wood, I decided to see if I could find some local mushrooms. I know where the good mushroom habitat is, and already picked up some for winter. But it's already good to have some fresh even though I wasn't in the best area for mushrooms. I was able to find quite a few, up large cliffs and in areas that no sane person would walk through. I then went to the area a few miles away that was flat and easy to walk. I found lots of evidence that the area had been scoured for mushrooms. Cut stems, thrown away piles of imperfect mushrooms (this made me mad), etc. But I was still able to find mushrooms relatively close to the road. The mushroom pickers had walked far and wide over the flat easy area. But they ignored the deer path near the road that was surrounded by brush. The moral of this story is, it's may still possible to SUPPLIMENT your diet with things from the wild. You may not catch a deer, but what about a rabbit or squirrel. You may not find wild mushrooms or apples, but what about edible weeds likedandelions, sheppards purse, and pigweeds. Never plan to live entirely off the wild, unless there is absolutely no choice. But knowing how to find food in the wild never hurts. One more thing to worry about it who is up in the wild with you. While on my woodcutting venture, I kept coming apon large trees that had been cut down across the road. Luckily there were other people there with wood permits, and therefore chainsaws, so these obstacles didn't last long. My two little dachshunds, who think that they are giant guard dogs were along for the ride. They kept barking at one of the fallen logs that had been blocking the road before someone cut it in 1/2. Thinking that they saw a squirrel, I took them for a walk towards it. I went about 200 feet past the log, when a serious wave of apprehensionl hit me like a brick. Normally, I feel totally at ease in the woods. Being among the trees, plants, and wildlife makes me feel more at home then I do in my own backyard. I had been to different parts of that mountain to get the rest of my wood and felt perfectly fine. But I couldn't have moved any futher down that road, on that day, if was paid to do so. I walked back to my pickup and then it dawned on me why all those beautiful old growth trees were being used to block the roadways. (People with woodcutting permits are prohibited from taking green wood, only the wood that was in piles to to us by the last thinning.) Someone didn't want me up there for a reason. Sometimes in state and federal forests, people set up illegal drug locations. They use the land to grow their plants or produce meth. I can only assume that is what was going on, and why all the trees were being used as roadblocks. Plus, I was followed on the way out by someone on an expensive motorcycle, until I was past the wooded area. It coud be a coincidence, but my nerves were telling me otherwise. I didn't feel better until I was far away from those woods. You can ignore my intuition and call me a crazy person for listening to my inner self, but please don't ignore your own gut feelings. If you are in a situation when all your being is telling you to get away, then do what gut is telling you to do. It's better to act stupid, then to become dead for real.

Lars Ragnarsson | 11-25-2008 10:06 AM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by melody (Post 1433554) Sometimes in state and federal forests, people set up illegal drug locations. They use the land to grow their plants or produce meth. I can only assume that is what was going on, and why all the trees were being used as roadblocks. Plus, I was followed on the way out by someone on an expensive motorcycle, until I was past the wooded area. It coud be a coincidence, but my nerves were telling me otherwise. I didn't feel better until I was far away from those woods. You can ignore my intuition and call me a crazy person for listening to my inner self, but please don't ignore your own gut feelings. If you are in a situation when all your being is telling you to get away, then do what gut is telling you to do. It's better to act stupid, then to become dead for real.
I think you're being paranoid. Everyone knows that nobody will hurt you in these national and state forests. It's illegal to have a gun, after all. You're just as safe there as you are anywhere else guns are banned - like the streets of Chicago, for example....:sarc:

BellevueBully | 11-25-2008 10:21 AM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by gasilat (Post 1423479) yeah...realistically only a few folks could subsist on hunting during a lengthy shtf scenario...most of the critters within five miles of the road systems would be gone in short order...then ten miles....then... all the predators (competition for the food source) would be eradicated by necessity by the local hunters...the eagles, hawks, owls, wolves, coyote, bears, etc... still...a few folks could make it with subsistence hunting but they would need to be very selective on where they holed up at during that time... i think i'm one of the few that could do it... moose that wandered through our yard this week... ....
Looks like AB/BC border.

Squirrel Bait | 11-25-2008 11:26 AM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesfrancisco (Post 1433011) There is no EPA,
You are soo lucky, The EPA over here is a real pain in the ass. I'm sure they do have a good purpose but for people who take care of their land and don't pollute it they can be a real nuissance. Sounds like you have a nice place and setup. Good luck :23_28_100s: s

gasilat | 12-17-2008 12:48 AM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF 5 Attachment(s) Its not uncommon for us to have several moose on our property at any one time... One fall from my porch at my house on the last day of hunting season i counted 14 moose down in our valley...most were cows with one nice 55 inch bull and some smaller bulls...I didn't shoot the large bull, he was lucky that way...i liked looking at him, and he had a job to do...Admittedly that was a lot of moose that year. Its usually less than that, maybe a half dozen or so... We border a national wildlife refuge and there is a natural land corridor some of the moose use for a migratory route to calving grounds at the lowlands from the higher benchlands that runs right through our place... the game animals come to us...the moose, and then the bears that chase the moose in the spring...before the salmon runs start and the bears move on to fishing... i've been away for a spell and just got back home tonight, but heres some photos my wife took of young bulls sparring in our front lawn this week...and some cows hanging out with them... They seem to like our Christmas light decorated log cache...anyway, do you guys think you could make this shot or is it too far away for ya ? :) ......

Nomoss | 12-17-2008 01:57 AM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Yes THAT is nice� Thank you for the pics. I would like to say It�s not No Trespassing it�s KEEP OUT! Look it up and you will see what I say, There is a deference!

Unclad Lad | 12-17-2008 11:53 AM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by melody Sometimes in state and federal forests, people set up illegal drug locations. They use the land to grow their plants or produce meth. I can only assume that is what was going on, and why all the trees were being used as roadblocks. Plus, I was followed on the way out by someone on an expensive motorcycle, until I was past the wooded area. It coud be a coincidence, but my nerves were telling me otherwise. I didn't feel better until I was far away from those woods.
I hope you reported it. Those operations are turning the forests into Superfund sites.:36_1_28:

gasilat | 01-12-2009 11:24 AM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF 1 Attachment(s) our long 25 below F cold snap finally broke and its warmed up some and snowing lightly now... the critters will be appreciative of that for sure...our guest in the front yard will finally melt her frosty nose... if you look at her belly you will see she's pregnant and will drop her calf in the spring... .....

Twisted Avatar | 01-12-2009 01:54 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by gasilat (Post 1423479) yeah...realistically only a few folks could subsist on hunting during a lengthy shtf scenario...most of the critters within five miles of the road systems would be gone in short order...then ten miles....then...
WHICH IS WHY YOU WANT THE PREY TO COME TO YOU..........EVERYBODY WHO IS ABLE SHOULD STOCK UP ON SALT BLOCKS THAT WILL BRING THEM OUT LIKE MOTHS TO THE FLAME. SALT BLOCKS..........GET THEM WHILE THEY ARE STILL RESONABLY PRICED. T

JJ_ | 01-12-2009 03:40 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by gasilat (Post 1507890) our long 25 below F cold snap finally broke and its warmed up some and snowing lightly now... the critters will be appreciative of that for sure...our guest in the front yard will finally melt her frosty nose... if you look at her belly you will see she's pregnant and will drop her calf in the spring... .....
you are very fortunate gasilat.... That is beautiful. Trees, Snow, Vallys and Mountians filled with game...*sigh*.:bear_wub:

gasilat | 01-12-2009 06:12 PM
Re: Evidence that Hunting is NO GO -n- SHTF Well thank you. That is very kind of you jj. I live a kinda different lifestyle and I appreciate GIM management allowing me to share my unique perspective and photos... so for those of you that always suspected i wasn't "normal" it looks like you win... :)

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