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jaima | 03-04-2008 09:23 AM
follow up on well water tax I made some calls and the Governor of NC , Mike Easley is the one pushing it. His office is counting calls on people who oppose it. PLEASE take 5 minutes to make a call. This is a very serious precedent. Contact the Governor's Office by calling the Governor's Office at: (919)733-4240, or (919)733-5811. 1-800-662-7952 valid in North Carolina only

Silver Shield | 03-04-2008 09:29 AM
Re: follow up on well water tax JAIMA- I AM LOOKING TO MOVE TO N.C. IN A YEAR OR SO. HOW BAD IS THIS DROUGHT? IS IT DUE TO RAPID GROWTH IN THE METRO AREAS? I AM LOOKING AT APEX, AND CARY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF NEW UNSOLD HOMES AND IT LOOKS LIKE A NICE AREA. ANY OTHER AREAS TO LOOK FOR TO HUNKER DOWN FOR TSHTF?

jaima | 03-04-2008 10:25 AM
Re: follow up on well water tax SilverShield, it depends on what part of the state you are talking about. The Raleigh-Durham area is experiencing the worst drought ever. It is not a common situation. Most years we get the tail end of a hurricane that fills lakes and waterways. This year we didn't. Add to that reduced rain and population explosion and we have a real problem. Is this a new weather pattern for the state. Who Knows???? I will tell you one thing. They are spraying chemtrails daily here. It is so bad even the sheeple are beginning to pay attention. Is there a connection. I dont know. I would be happy to give you any info about the area. If I can help just let me know.

sand86 | 03-04-2008 11:08 AM
Re: follow up on well water tax I have family in Cary. In my opinion it is an over populated suburban wasteland, but I grew up in the country. I am quite familiar with the area and could probably answer some of your questions as well. The drought is hitting the state pretty hard. The area that I am currently living in is fine water wise. Here they built an extra reservoir to feed the textile industry before NAFTA destroyed it. This well thing is ridiculous. The point of drilling a well is to have our own water supply. Most people I know with wells are more careful than those on city water because you can empty a well depending on how large of an aquifer you hit. What's next taxing rainwater?

wallew | 03-04-2008 11:38 AM
Re: follow up on well water tax Jaima, Your governor is just following UN protocol in the 'Man and Biodiversity' (MAB) plan that has been in place well over ten years. Trust me when I say that in the coming years, the UN's plan is for EVERYONE to pay taxes (tribute) to the UN. ON EVERYTHING. Just like the all the countries in the EU, you will be taxed YEARLY on everything you own. That's where this is going. For MORE info, either go to the UN site and type in MAB OR just go to Google and enter in UN and Man and Biodiversity. Be prepared to be shocked as to their overall plans. This has been on the table a LONG time.

steel_ag | 03-04-2008 12:02 PM
BRAZIL: Rainwater Tanks a Weapon Against Drought :dontknow: Install a couple of raintanks Source: http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=35818 By Mario Osava* RIO DE JANEIRO, Dec 12 (IPS/IFEJ) - The impoverished population of the Brazilian Northeast, one of regions most vulnerable to the effects of climate change, is preparing for long-term coexistence with drought, through various projects such as the construction of one million tanks to collect rainwater. The large region could see a 4.5-degree Celsius rise in average temperatures by the end of the century, under the worst-case scenario, according to CPTEC, a weather and climate research centre. Scientists warn that global warming will accelerate desertification in the area, increasing poverty and fuelling emigration. Figures from the Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics state that 48.4 percent of the population in the Northeast is poor, nearly triple the rate of the Southeast (17 percent, on average) and of the South (18.3 percent). The semiarid region of the north-eastern interior "is the most vulnerable to climate change, with a portion of it tending to become fully arid," said Jos� Antonio Marengo, CPTEC researcher. The "Semi-�rido" covers nearly 1.1 million square kilometres of the Northeast, and the northern part of the south-eastern state of Minas Gerais. This is 13 percent of the national territory, and is home to 29 million people. Also known as the "polygon of droughts", it has the attention of the National Programme for Combating Desertification and Mitigating the effects of Drought (PAN), which was recently put into effect, in compliance with the 1996 United Nations convention on desertification. The programme will be "a tool for preventing catastrophe," says its coordinator at the Ministry of Environment, Jos� Roberto de Lima. The initiative marks a change in the traditional approach in the Semi-�rido, by integrating efforts of various government agencies, with the active participation of society and "generating synergies" amongst efforts by the ministries of environment, integration and agriculture, but also by non-governmental organisations, said Lima. One tactic that has seen success in recent years was to seek ways to live with the droughts, instead of investing in big projects like dams to create reservoirs, which proved to be inefficient for distributing water to the population. Manufacturing a million rainwater collection tanks is one of the projects under way, promoted by the Articula��o no Semi-�rido (ASA), a network of 750 NGOs, labour unions and community and religious institutions. "We're approaching 200,000 tanks produced with the help of the people," said Paulo Pedro de Carvalho, agronomist and programme coordinator for the non-governmental Caatinga Centre, in the north-eastern state of Pernambuco. Caatinga is the name of the local vegetation: sinuous bushes that are resistant to drought. With this project, intended to ensure the rural population has water for drinking and cooking, Carvalho hopes that they reach the goal of one million tanks in the next five years. Furthermore, ASA is trying to disseminate, with participatory and educational methods, other technologies to boost small farm production, such as small underground reservoirs and other forms of storing water that prevent evaporation. "Evaporation is a big factor in the water shortages of the area. The big reservoirs lose a large portion of their water," said Carvalho. Decades ago, successive plans for development, agriculture, industry, social programmes, forestry and waterworks were implemented in attempts to reduce poverty in the north-eastern Semi-�rido. The new focus, of learning to coexist with the climate and preserve the ecosystem, now has to respond also to the urgency imposed by the threat of global warming. But meteorological forecasting presents a high degree of uncertainty. Some experts, like Mario de Miranda Leitao, meteorologist and researcher into the effects of climate on agriculture, point to "beneficial" aspects of warmer average temperatures, given that heat could increase evaporation from the oceans, feeding clouds and possibly reversing desertification. "The increase in evaporation would accentuate the formation of clouds and subsequent rainfall in many parts of the world, among them the Brazilian Semi-�rido near the Atlantic Ocean," Miranda offered as a hypothesis, though he did not rule out "grave consequences" of the greenhouse effect around the world. But for Marengo of the CPTEC, if that phenomenon were to come about, "it would be intense and but passing rains, insufficient for filling reservoirs, and would quickly evaporate with the intense heat and drier air." The scientific debate continues, but for now there is consensus about the urgent need to "create a structure for living with drought." "What is especially needed is to store water in an appropriate way in the semiarid climate, including to avoid social problems that affect the entire country, given that migration from the Semi-�rido is filling up the large Brazilian cities, aggravating inequalities and conflicts," said Miranda. *This story is part of a series of features on sustainable development by IPS (Inter Press Service) and IFEJ (International Federation of Environmental Journalists). (END/2006)

Silver Shield | 03-04-2008 12:11 PM
Re: follow up on well water tax Quote:
Originally Posted by jaima (Post 994608) SilverShield, it depends on what part of the state you are talking about. The Raleigh-Durham area is experiencing the worst drought ever. It is not a common situation. Most years we get the tail end of a hurricane that fills lakes and waterways. This year we didn't. Add to that reduced rain and population explosion and we have a real problem. Is this a new weather pattern for the state. Who Knows???? I will tell you one thing. They are spraying chemtrails daily here. It is so bad even the sheeple are beginning to pay attention. Is there a connection. I dont know. I would be happy to give you any info about the area. If I can help just let me know.
I RULED OUT CHARLOTTE TOO URBAN. I LIKED RALEIGH BECAUSE OF THE COLLEGES IN THE AREA, NICE PEOPLE AND BEING THE RESEARCH TRIANGLE. BUT MAYBE I SHOULD LOOK TOWARDS THE ASHEVILLE AREA TO BUGOUT IN THE MOUNTIANS. ANY SUGGESTIONS?

jaima | 03-04-2008 12:46 PM
Re: follow up on well water tax Asheville is a really beautiful place SS. You would not have the job opportunities there you would in the Triangle but if your position is secure you might consider it. Ashville is a very interesting geographical area. Did you know its the home of many famous psychics and Ghost Hunters. They say it has a very special energy. Its not a big town but quite nice with many surrounding rural areas if you are looking for farm land.. There are some great places to live outside the triangle that would still give you easy access to both Raleigh and Durham but provide some land and privacy. It depends on what you are looking for. Cary is the WORST possible place in NC to be in a bug out. The whole town is an embarrassment to NC. Do be aware if you locate inside Raleigh or too close that school overcrowding and busing are a major problem. Even tiny elementary school kids are bused and year round schooling is very prevalent. You can get around many of the problems by locating outside the city.. One plus to the area is the many Universities. NC State, Duke and Chapel Hill liven up the areas... One place I would not suggest living is Durham..UGH!!!! veryhigh crime rate. Chapel Hill is expensive and every little action is regulated by do good legislation.. Have you been to either city yet? If you go to Asheville be sure to visit Chimney Rock Park about a half hour up the mountain. Its the most amazing place.. Also NC beaches are wonderful.

jaima | 03-04-2008 12:48 PM
Re: follow up on well water tax wallew, nothing would surprise me after my contact with Senator Richard Burr over the North American Union issue. Our state is sold out. I also believe we are going to be one of the first to have the new drivers license. Just because this is what they intend does not mean we have to make it easy.

UberNoob | 03-04-2008 01:52 PM
Re: follow up on well water tax Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Shield (Post 994798) I RULED OUT CHARLOTTE TOO URBAN. I LIKED RALEIGH BECAUSE OF THE COLLEGES IN THE AREA, NICE PEOPLE AND BEING THE RESEARCH TRIANGLE. BUT MAYBE I SHOULD LOOK TOWARDS THE ASHEVILLE AREA TO BUGOUT IN THE MOUNTIANS. ANY SUGGESTIONS?
Please stay away from Asheville.

jaima | 03-05-2008 07:56 AM
Re: follow up on well water tax Quote:
Originally Posted by UberNoob (Post 994937) Please stay away from Asheville.
Im curious why you say that.

Codger | 03-05-2008 12:20 PM
Re: follow up on well water tax Quote:
Originally Posted by jaima (Post 994881) wallew, nothing would surprise me after my contact with Senator Richard Burr over the North American Union issue. Our state is sold out. I also believe we are going to be one of the first to have the new drivers license. Just because this is what they intend does not mean we have to make it easy.
What happened when you contacted him on the NAU?

Silver Shield | 03-05-2008 01:32 PM
Re: follow up on well water tax Thank You Jiama. Your info is a big help. I did have a friend that move to Hickory any thoughts? As for Asheville, I keep getting really mixed reviews, I guess I will have to see for myself.

jaima | 03-05-2008 03:55 PM
Re: follow up on well water tax Quote:
Originally Posted by Codger (Post 996467) What happened when you contacted him on the NAU?
When I contacted Burr on the NAU he sent back a letter that made it quite clear that Canada, Mexico and the US needed to join forces on many fronts and he totally supported it. He used the word SPP but he might as well have said NAU...Ill have to see if I can find the letter and post it. Keep in mind that Burr is very vocal about making Vitamins and herbs prescription drugs too. I have attended many meetings he has been at. he has the yucky vibration. The type that makes your skin crawl.. SS, Morgantown would be a much better bug out place then either city. You really start having much better accesses to farm land and privacy in that area.

UberNoob | 03-05-2008 05:34 PM
Re: follow up on well water tax Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Shield (Post 996593) Thank You Jiama. Your info is a big help. I did have a friend that move to Hickory any thoughts? As for Asheville, I keep getting really mixed reviews, I guess I will have to see for myself.
It's awful.... Full of morally bankrupt anarchistic vegan types.... You don;t want to go anywhere near there...

Silver Shield | 03-05-2008 08:53 PM
Re: follow up on well water tax 1 Attachment(s) I just got off the phone with a real estate agent in Asheville. I am definitely going to visit with my family. Can we stay with you UberNoob?:wink:

Aproz | 03-05-2008 09:57 PM
Re: follow up on well water tax Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Shield (Post 997262) I just got off the phone with a real estate agent in Asheville. I am definitely going to visit with my family. Can we stay with you UberNoob?:wink:
I find the white guy in the back row kind of funny. :D

UberNoob | 03-05-2008 11:35 PM
Re: follow up on well water tax Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Shield (Post 997262) I just got off the phone with a real estate agent in Asheville. I am definitely going to visit with my family. Can we stay with you UberNoob?:wink:
Absolutely...I have a wok and plenty of acreage....but you better bring your own tents.

jaima | 03-07-2008 08:39 AM
Re: follow up on well water tax A follow up on the well water issue. I have been talking to some of the older folks around here. Upsetting the Yuppies over social issues is one thing but when the old rednecks get riled up its another. It was a local crowd that has run Government off several times before. Anyway, I talked to one of my old cronies from previous fights. She said she is old and sick now but her contribution to the fight would be to blow up her well for the evening news. She was quite serious. Darn, I love that Lady.

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