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REV127 | 10-08-2007 11:33 AM
Getting Accuracy From 7.62x39 I've seen similar results from guys who just tore down and rebuilt factory Russian ammo for consistency. I thought I'd post this so everybody could have a chance to see what is really possible with their 7.62x39 caliber rifles, be they SKS or AK. http://www.therallypoint.org/forum/i...p?topic=1671.0

woodman | 10-08-2007 08:26 PM
Re: Getting Accuracy From 7.62x39 Nice. Thanks for posting this. I didn't realize that kind of accuracy was possible with these guns. I'm lucky if I can hit the target at that range.

REV127 | 10-08-2007 08:41 PM
Re: Getting Accuracy From 7.62x39 A large part of the problem is inconsistent powder charges and bullets. Not every AK or SKS is capable of 2moa even with carefully loaded ammo but most of them will suprise you from what I've seen. I've turned in some pretty good groups even with the Russian factory ammo. The 122gr FMJ and HP's are the least likely to produce tight groups, seems there's an uneven distribution of lead either when they make the bullet or after firing that accounts for the fifth round flyer effect. OTOH that air space in the tip of the bullet that is detrimental to accuracy encourages tumbling when a soft target is struck. I've gotten the best results with the soft point and 8m1 effect bullets.

tinman | 10-08-2007 08:48 PM
Re: Getting Accuracy From 7.62x39 Well, that's why Russian ammo is so cheap. I remember reading a story once that someone acquired some FN made 7.62x39 and tried it out with an ak-47 and had good accuracy with it too.

Baphomet Jones | 10-08-2007 09:14 PM
Re: Getting Accuracy From 7.62x39 Hmm... this is pretty cool, thanks for sharing, I've always wondered if it might be worth getting one of those 8X42 scopes for one of my AK's, this has me leaning toward "BUY IT!" :D

wallew | 10-09-2007 01:19 AM
Re: Getting Accuracy From 7.62x39 Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 768823) Hmm... this is pretty cool, thanks for sharing, I've always wondered if it might be worth getting one of those 8X42 scopes for one of my AK's, this has me leaning toward "BUY IT!" :D
PSO 4x24, 4X24V, 4X24M PSO 4x24V was designed from the onset to properly fit and ergonomically function on Kalashnikov applications. The PSO "V" style variant is specific to the AK series rifle, and will provide the proper eye relief and attaching mechanism for most types of AK optic side plate. The improved scope clamping mechanism increases eye relief by 1.25-2 inches (according to the side plate used) over other types of PSO's, to give the shooter a more comfortable shooting stance with standard military AK furniture. Iron sights can still be easily used without removal of this sight. PSO 4x24M is identical with the same reticle pattern, but uses a standard SVD-type clamp that is recommended for SVD, PSL/FPK, and late models of Vepr and Saiga rifles. These late production rifles have modified side plate designs that will allow regular SVD PSO's to fit them, and since they also have longer style stocks, the position of the regular PSO with the appropriate SVD clamp is very suitable. The SVD clamp positions the scope lower on the rifle, and will not allow the use of iron sights while it is installed. However, since these have QD clamps they can be removed almost instantly. The added comfort of the correct design should be a priority issue as part of end users decision on which model to use. All of our PSO 4x24 model scopes are made by Zenit and are of the highest quality PSO construction we have found available. They all feature high quality fully coated lenses, nitrogen anti-fogging protection, a rugged mil-spec medium to dark gray finish (not silver), military gradient style height based rangefinding, illuminated reticle and modern solid state LED operation. If you want the military reliability and performance of a true PSO, and also feel shooting comfort is a concern, this is the scope you should be looking at. Fits all AK models to include SAR series, Saiga, Vepr, SVD/PSL, Bulgarian, Hungarian, and Polish type side plate systems. Shipped with new factory sealed batteries, original Russian manual, rubber eyepiece, and nylon carrying case with internal pockets. Although all current models use MOA adjusted turrets which are great for use with any calibre of rifle, the 400 meter models also have 7.62x39mm specific ballistic curve calibrated holdover aiming marks for shots made at 200 and 300 meters, without the requirement to change the range turret setting. 2003 RELEASE NOTE: The latest improved version of this sight uses two inexpensive and commonly available US-style "357" coin cell watch batteries in conjunction with a 3v LED illuminator. This allows the scope to maintain the original battery compartment and military configuration, without the use of awkward adapters. http://www.tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/bstpso1.html First and foremost, working up a load for your specific rifle is ALWAYS the easiest way to get the most from it. A good scope will definately help. Can't go wrong with the PSO 4x24 scope if you are shooting the 7.62x39 round. It's specifcally set up FOR the 7.62x39 caliber. Most of the rest of the scopes are for OTHER calibers. Not that they won't work with 7.62x39, it's just you have to figure out all the 'ballistic curve' for that scope ON your rifle of choice. Make sure you write it down, because the scope itself is set for a different caliber. The PSO 4x24 scope, once properly sighted in will shoot out to 400 meters. NOT that I can actually see that far. But it's a great scope and if you have much younger eyes, perhaps you CAN see that far out. Oh, the lit reticle is PERFECT for low light shooting of late evening after the sun has dropped. ESPECIALLY in urban environments where there will still be some ambient light available. Besides which, I figure the 7.62x39 to be an excellent 'out to 200 meter' type of round. Past that it starts to 'fall off' it's velocity curve. Yeah, I own one (I got the scope and the rail for a little under $200 shipped). NO, I don't work for Tantal. Though I do business with them occasionally. I really want to try out a Kobra sight next. Should prove to be an interesting experiment on my AMD 65.

shades2 | 10-09-2007 11:09 AM
Re: Getting Accuracy From 7.62x39 Quote:
Originally Posted by woodman (Post 768761) Nice. Thanks for posting this. I didn't realize that kind of accuracy was possible with these guns. I'm lucky if I can hit the target at that range.
Don't worry, those guys aren't showing you the scopes they use, and the bags they are resting the rifle on. They always talk about the targets and never how they tested the accuracy... Occasionally they slip up though. :)

REV127 | 10-09-2007 11:22 AM
Re: Getting Accuracy From 7.62x39 Optical sights and low power scopes help, but sandbags and rests don't for the AK. Unless you're really just a horrible shooter. I don't know what it is about the design but AK's average more accurate when fired from the shoulder.

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