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.375 | 02-17-2009 11:18 PM
Bug Out Blocked!!! I live in N. Colorado and I was talking to a friend today who lives in Red Feather Lakes (a small community at the end of a 30 miles 2 lane road that is the entrance to a huge national forrest area that is used for lots of recreation etc). He said at a community meeting recently where they were discussing emergency procedures, economic chaos came up. They said they would blockade the road leading into Red Feather just outside of town, so people from Denver, etc. couldn't get into the Red Feather area if lots of people were leaving town [bugging out]. I wonder how many people have bug out plans to the state forrest west of Red Feather, that would get caught in a traffic jam 25 miles down a two lane highway with no real other outlets besides turning around. I thought it was a pretty interesting anecdotal story.

mick silver | 02-17-2009 11:23 PM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! dam some thing big is on the way , every were you look you keep seeing stuff like this

GoldWampum | 02-17-2009 11:28 PM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Red Feather is a pretty popular spot that's well known, so I guess I'm not surprised. Have you studied a less popular route, like maybe up Rist Canyon? If I was still in that area, I'd probably look at something on the Western Slope, although it's a travel. I can think of an access to the Flattops west of Rifle (North of Parachute) that most people are not aware of and is sort of a back door, since most people access it from the east, but that can be rough in the winter. There are many places, I just happen to be somewhat familiar with that area.

.375 | 02-17-2009 11:39 PM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Gold Wampum, You are right that there are some "back doors" into the area accessable by car in the summer and 4-wheel drive in the winter. But if they are going to barricade the paved road, they could easily block the few back roads. I'm sure that there are some good lessons to learn from this: you better be at your bug out (bug in) location or when you figure out you should go, it will be too late. The obvious place to go is the wrong place to go. Probably some others.

GoldWampum | 02-17-2009 11:52 PM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by .375 (Post 1577041) Gold Wampum, You are right that there are some "back doors" into the area accessable by car in the summer and 4-wheel drive in the winter. But if they are going to barricade the paved road, they could easily block the few back roads. I'm sure that there are some good lessons to learn from this: you better be at your bug out (bug in) location or when you figure out you should go, it will be too late. The obvious place to go is the wrong place to go. Probably some others.
Best case for sure. I'm just wondering though if this edict isn't to keep the yukaluks in Red Feather from receiving all the high traffic. Just suggesting that a back route might not be a bad thing to study along with some "what ifs" and possible re-routes, just in case you do get a late start. Do some weekend investigation... PS: I'm assuming you have some forestry and elevation maps to draw on.

scyth | 02-18-2009 12:03 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! As I live in a definitely rural area, I Regard bug out people trying to bug in pretty much the same as feral dogs. Not hard-hearted here, just realistic. Enough said. scyth

.375 | 02-18-2009 12:07 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! scyth In a way I can understand how you and the people in Red Feather feel - if you bought and improved property, etc. why would you want people coming your way.

Ralleia | 02-18-2009 12:15 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by .375 (Post 1577075) scyth In a way I can understand how you and the people in Red Feather feel - if you bought and improved property, etc. why would you want people coming your way.
Heck. If I were in such a community then I would be tempted to pull a Bugs Bunny. You know. Tear up the road and put a mock-up house or a grove of trees at the end. And a few signs a couple miles back about "road ends." Curve the road into a cliff and paint a tunnel? Seriously, we have to do what we can to protect ourselves against those who have not bothered to prepare and have become totally irrational from desperation.

immanti | 02-18-2009 12:19 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Looks like those planning to bug out better be ready to become instant "illegal aliens"...

scyth | 02-18-2009 12:20 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! And, by the way I sure as hell don't live in an upscale neighborhood. Just a road at the end of a road at the end of a road. scyth

End of Hope | 02-18-2009 12:55 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! "Active measures" against invasion from the cities will be the norm across America. I live in a very defensible locale, if the "proper measures" are undertaken. Basically, two mountain passes and two bridges. I've said for a long time that people in the cities NEED TO LEAVE. They should have done it years ago, but there is probably still a chance to do so in the next few months. No job, no house, no "standard" of material existence is worth your life. Ditch it all, get as much as you can for your stuff, and MOVE. NOW. "Bug out" plans are a JOKE. You pick up minimal belongings and leave your nest in a rush, along with thousands of others, stuck in traffic, completely at the mercy of "law enforcement" and the military. If they close the roads, you're SOL. Some "plan." And if you don't have a cabin* or some certain destination, even if you make it to the promised land, what then? A hotel/motel room? For how long, until the credit cards are turned off? You think terrified locals are going to be welcoming you with slobbering and loving arms? * if you have a rural cabin, you should already be living there full-time.

End of Hope | 02-18-2009 01:03 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by immanti (Post 1577088) Looks like those planning to bug out better be ready to become instant "illegal aliens"...
More like concentration camp inmates. Or mass grave occupants.

Glass | 02-18-2009 03:30 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! I think the ability to hunker down and stay undetected until you can get an idea of what is going on and what roads/bridges etc they are blockading. Then make your move. Radio comms would be very handy in that situation. There are people who are going to be broadcasting what ever information they can get for people stuck inside cities and towns. I can't guarantee how good that information would be but I think comms will come in very handy. There is also something to be said for moving in a crowd but lets face it, most of them are going to be going to the slaughterhouse aka FEMA camp.

AMforPM | 02-18-2009 04:15 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Unless you have purchased and stocked a bug out then locals are right to fear armed but otherwise unprepared migrants. The locals likely accepted lower income to live in bug out territory and have no means to house, feed and care for migrants. Some people bugging out may be highly skilled, but many may be moving out of panic with not only little in the way of preps but with little idea of how to contribute even labor. Just running. I'm not sure how I would suggest a community prepare for that. If it had arable valleys in the national forest and could enlist migrants to clear garden land and build log barracks for themselves that might be more humane and more successful. In some locations the migrants may have numbers on their side. If a community is too small to defend itself and lacks resources to integrate migrants then making the road impassible does seem the better option. May we not see such hard choices, though we likely will.

immanti | 02-18-2009 04:35 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by AMforPM (Post 1577305) Unless you have purchased and stocked a bug out then locals are right to fear armed but otherwise unprepared migrants. The locals likely accepted lower income to live in bug out territory and have no means to house, feed and care for migrants. Some people bugging out may be highly skilled, but many may be moving out of panic with not only little in the way of preps but with little idea of how to contribute even labor. Just running. I'm not sure how I would suggest a community prepare for that. If it had arable valleys in the national forest and could enlist migrants to clear garden land and build log barracks for themselves that might be more humane and more successful. In some locations the migrants may have numbers on their side. If a community is too small to defend itself and lacks resources to integrate migrants then making the road impassible does seem the better option. May we not see such hard choices, though we likely will.
I like the homesteading, feed yourself principle in your idea. :ok:

immanti | 02-18-2009 04:37 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by End of Hope (Post 1577144) More like concentration camp inmates. Or mass grave occupants.
If those are the choices I can see how most would take their chances as "unauthorized migrants".

morganchaser | 02-18-2009 07:14 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! All I can say is I'm glad I'm moving back to the boonies. I was isolated from my tools in a retirement city there for a while. Will be a Regional HQ for the Gestapo in the near future I imagine. Shame.

GoldWampum | 02-18-2009 07:52 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by scyth (Post 1577068) As I live in a definitely rural area, I Regard bug out people trying to bug in pretty much the same as feral dogs. Not hard-hearted here, just realistic. Enough said. scyth
I certainly understand your viewpoint, and also that of those who intend to bug out. As 375 noted, it is best to get there before the onslaught. Which is essentially what folks like you have done. Even if it is a part time thing, folks should be bugging out now. ie, be a known entity in an area, not a sudden new-comer.

Tn...Andy | 02-18-2009 08:27 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by End of Hope (Post 1577132) "Active measures" against invasion from the cities will be the norm across America. I live in a very defensible locale, if the "proper measures" are undertaken. Basically, two mountain passes and two bridges. I've said for a long time that people in the cities NEED TO LEAVE. They should have done it years ago, but there is probably still a chance to do so in the next few months. No job, no house, no "standard" of material existence is worth your life. Ditch it all, get as much as you can for your stuff, and MOVE. NOW. "Bug out" plans are a JOKE. You pick up minimal belongings and leave your nest in a rush, along with thousands of others, stuck in traffic, completely at the mercy of "law enforcement" and the military. If they close the roads, you're SOL. Some "plan." And if you don't have a cabin* or some certain destination, even if you make it to the promised land, what then? A hotel/motel room? For how long, until the credit cards are turned off? You think terrified locals are going to be welcoming you with slobbering and loving arms? * if you have a rural cabin, you should already be living there full-time.
Exactly what I have been saying for years. Bugging out is not a plan...it's a fantasy. My own location could easily be isolated by cutting a few miles of timber over the gap road to town, and taking out the bridge on the lower end of our valley. Other than walking over the mountains, or flying in, the average refugee won't get in here.

C4talyst | 02-18-2009 08:30 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by mick silver (Post 1577017) dam some thing big is on the way , every were you look you keep seeing stuff like this
You deduced this because of something said at a "community meeting"?

scholarcoon | 02-18-2009 09:17 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1577529) Exactly what I have been saying for years. Bugging out is not a plan...it's a fantasy. My own location could easily be isolated by cutting a few miles of timber over the gap road to town, and taking out the bridge on the lower end of our valley. Other than walking over the mountains, or flying in, the average refugee won't get in here.
Then you can't get out either... I'm not so sure there will be this mass exodus to the country like you guys think. In Post Collapse Russia, there was a mass migration into the cities. In the cities, there was at least running water, electricity, and public transport most of the time.

Goldhedge | 02-18-2009 09:46 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! I'd consider heading east into the prairie grasslands. There's a myth that it would be exposed out there, but truth is, there's some nice hidey holes to be found if you know where to look. If I remember, there's that missile silo out side of Nunn used for micro fiche storage. Those would be good folks to have as friends.... Also the Poudre River has many canyons to hide in.

Tn...Andy | 02-18-2009 09:55 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by scholarcoon (Post 1577617) Then you can't get out either... I'm not so sure there will be this mass exodus to the country like you guys think. In Post Collapse Russia, there was a mass migration into the cities. In the cities, there was at least running water, electricity, and public transport most of the time.
You're basing that on the assumption I would WANT out. Not so until at least most of the violence that is going to occur out there settles down. The kind of collapse that would require the kind of isolation I'm talking about means there won't be any electricity, running water, public transport or more important, FOOD, in the cities. Russia didn't collapse to that point, or even close. An excellent article by a Russian on the difference between here and there, and why Russia didn't sink into what we will if it gets anywhere close to that bad: http://www.silverbearcafe.com/privat...lcollapse.html

silverJeep | 02-18-2009 10:45 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! The problem with people waiting to bug out is they have a beautiful $750,000 house in the city near work, near resturaunts, etc. They also have a one or two bedroom log cabin in the middle of nowhere. People want to live in the "big house" as long as they can. Most don't want to do without or be inconveinianced if they don't have to. That's a thought process that could get you killed. It's easy to think you'll wait until it gets bad, like people on your street are getting robbed or killed. Then you pack up and leave. ...unless you're one if the first. Many think it will be like a Hurricane evacuation and you'll be screwed. No one knows how it will be. But do you want to gamble with your life? The writing's on the wall folks. The problem with the Red Feather folks is that tehy may not be allowed to block teh main road if FEMA, National Guard or teh Army get invlolved. Also, blocking the road could prove to be a full time job requireing many people and arms. To a hoard of people, a blocked road means "There's something down there I need, that they don't want me to have." It does not mean, "We just don't want more people here". Many tough choices.

Weho Dave | 02-18-2009 10:54 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! You should already be at your "bugout" spot. There have been threads here about why bugging out is not a good idea. If you are prepared, you already have food stored up where you are and a defense plan in place. Are you going to move all that someplace else? If you have enough food, it won't fit in a vehicle. Then you take a chance on the highways of not getting hi-jacked at gunpoint or ambushed (even by the LEOs). If you get where you are going, how do you know someone isn't already there? If you have pre-stocked your "bugout" location, there is a good chance the "locals" know where it is and have already raided it.

scholarcoon | 02-18-2009 11:31 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1577680) You're basing that on the assumption I would WANT out. Not so until at least most of the violence that is going to occur out there settles down. The kind of collapse that would require the kind of isolation I'm talking about means there won't be any electricity, running water, public transport or more important, FOOD, in the cities. Russia didn't collapse to that point, or even close. An excellent article by a Russian on the difference between here and there, and why Russia didn't sink into what we will if it gets anywhere close to that bad: http://www.silverbearcafe.com/privat...lcollapse.html
The article you post is great and Orlov's writings are what I am basing my predictions on. This is straight outta the article: Quote:
The inevitable result will be a mass migration of suburban refugees toward the more survivable, more densely settled towns and cities. The luckier ones will find friends or family to stay with; for the rest, it would be very helpful to improvise some solution.
Knowledge of self sufficiency is gone in this country. I live in a rural area and most folks here wouldn't know what to do if the grocery store shelves were empty or they didn't have gas to drive to Wal-Mart. There's another thread about people in Alaska freaking out and the S hasn't even hit the F yet. I'm not too worried about refugees. I have a feeling there will be a lot of room out here as people ditch the suburbs and exurbs and move to the cities.

Mosca | 02-19-2009 03:03 PM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! In a financial teotwawki history shows an exodus toward the cities. In one of plague history shows an exodus away from the cities. I believe history will repeat it self.

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 02-19-2009 10:56 PM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Having land, a cabin, and being able to grow food is a dream of mine. But I am young, still in my 20's. What are my options, taking on a couple hundred thousand of new debt to acquire what I need? No, I'm stuck where I am for the time being. If I survive, maybe my gold will buy me a working farm. I mean really, what are my options? Even saving 50k would take another 14 months.

immanti | 02-19-2009 11:25 PM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNocturnalEgyptian (Post 1581941) Having land, a cabin, and being able to grow food is a dream of mine. But I am young, still in my 20's. What are my options, taking on a couple hundred thousand of new debt to acquire what I need? No, I'm stuck where I am for the time being. If I survive, maybe my gold will buy me a working farm. I mean really, what are my options? Even saving 50k would take another 14 months.
Do you have any family or friends who own rural property? If so, you could start putting a plan together that includes them.

farscott | 02-20-2009 07:48 AM
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Having land, a cabin, and being able to grow food is a dream of mine.
That was my dream as well. I spent lots of time looking for land, and I limited myself to spending a bit over $50,000 since that is what I had saved. Finally I bought my small amount of land (22 acres) in 2006. Once I had the land, then I started working on it. It now supports several gardens, is home to tasty wild game, and set up to my liking. Now I am getting ready to build a house on a small portion of it. A house I am funding myself without borrowed money. Not a big home, but a well-built home.

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Tn...Andy | 02-20-2009 07:56 AM
Re: Bug Out Blocked!!! Same plan I worked Farscott. And it gets better and better as time goes on due to lack of interest paid to the banking cartel.

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