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Caligula | 10-28-2008 11:45 AM
Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL Tuesday, October 28, 2008 http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2008/10/b...for-it-in.html Body Armor and real world use for it in the city I�d like to take this opportunity to somewhat try to clarify a few things and explain what my country is like. Argentina is not a devastated wasteland were looters roam the ruins and people live in a post apocalyptic world. This is a country in many ways similar to any other country, downtown Buenos Aires looks like any large European or American metropolis, with a few differences of course but similar none the less. Busy yuppies going about their business, cabs, malls, hotels, lots of shops and restaurants, what you�d expect in any mayor metropolis. There are differences of course, the city is much more dirty. There no control over pollution, and cars are in awful state compared to 1st world countries. Make more noise and fumes. For some reason, women (and men) are unusually slim and good looking, people here are 98% white, and of course, this is south America, there�s a Latin flavor to it all. So its in some ways and odd and unique combination tourists quickly appreciate. What I mean is, even with certain incidents of social unrest now and then, roadblocks protests, some incidents getting out of control and erupting in burning and lootings of stores or train stations , people are no different regarding most aspects. Job, school, education and culture ( still higher than the average Latin American) . One of the differences being, people here do not get their panties twisted if there a protest or even some social unrest, it takes a LOT of social unrest to disturb the average Buenos Aires citizen, given everything we�ve went through. What would otherwise cause a nervous brake down to a tourist not used to it, is a minor inconvenience for us. Then yes, you have suburbs and even many parts within the city of Buenos Aires that are simply disastrous. Places like villa 31 (shanty town) just a few blocks away from the down town capital district of Buenos Aires, and thousands of other places that are what you�d imagine in your worst, 3rd world south American rat hole. No sewer, illegal electricity connection or no power at all, and so bad even police need to go in there with the military as backup. Argentina is better described as a country of strong contrasts. You have fancy Puerto Madero with it�s world class hotels, restaurants and entertainment, and across the river you have Avellaneda and Docksud where cops have been known to shoot people first and don�t even bother to ask questions later and dump the bodies on the river to avoid paperwork, and people still live all across the country, both good and bad neighborhoods. What you get to see as a tourist is mostly good, but taking into account the entire country, you�ll have a hard time finding a single spot that I truly safe from the harsh reality of Argentina, in terms of security. This is not Mad Max or the postman, ok? It�s people going through their daily lives facing VERY complicated financial and political times, still suffering the effects of the 2001 economical collapse( and we will suffer it for 10 more years to come, at least) and dealing with extremely high crime, in some places it can only be described as rampant and out of control. And crime brings us to body armor. I cannot find the address to ask you a question so I will do it in this comment section. You once wrote of the importance of buying body armor. Do you and your family wear/use body armor on a daily basis? Is a level 2 armor sufficient? Thanks. SED Good question SED, thanks. Fantasy: You strap on your webbing and armor, go scrounge the remains of what was once a city, looking for some canned food left behind by looters and the subsequent zombies that came after, with your faithful dog �Dogmeat� running along your side. O yes, don�t forget the leather jacket and sawed off shotgun. Reality: First start by accepting that Fallout is just a RPG and Mad Max was a fun movie, but there�s no connection with reality whatsoever. Situation; Crime is a problem, it�s a HUGE problem. You try not to worry to much or else you go nuts but you can�t stik your head in the sand an pretend nothing is wrong, at least I can�t. Before I go own, I�d like to say that this is what I do, in no way can this be considered common practice for Argentines, just like you cant consider common practice for the average American Six Pack Joe to make a risk assessment analysis of his personal situation, become proficient in armed and unarmed self defense, stock up food, have savings in case SHTF, worrying about investments, and have an emergency contingency plan. What I personally determined was that there were certain situations I couldn�t avoid that, given current events, were very risky and based on what happens to others, there a much bigger possibility of getting targeted by criminals and , maybe involved in a gunfight. Moving large amounts of cash for some reason, receiving payments of large for real estate transactions. Sometimes encountering possible clients, or even meeting people to sell your car, these are all situations you can�t avoid that involve a much higher security risk. Body armor is not something a lot of people think of. Even people that carry guns, most of them don�t own or consider they need body armor. But as violence gets worse, as the possibility of a gunfight gets closer and you hear about neighbors, people you know getting shot, you have a much better picture. You understand how ridiculously stupid it is to think that you�ll get into gunfights, carrying a gun yourself for such an event, but for some mysterious reason you wont be the one getting shot. Granted, if things are SO bad you need to use BA ( body armor from now on) every day, you better start using it and find a way to get out of there because it�s certainly not safe, but hey! You still need to use it until you get out of there, don�t you? I use mine only on certain situations, like the ones described above that are known to be particularly dangerous. Moving large sums of cash around, meeting people I simply must meet but I�m not so sure about them, when going to bad parts of town for reasons I can�t avoid. There are all situations that are typically dangerous so I take the extra caution of wearing BA. Also, my BA is in my closet ready for use ( only one side closed, the other one left open for putting it on fast) so if something goes �bump in the night�, or there�s trouble of any kind, I get my gun and flashlight an put my BA. Other situations where you might want to wear BA: For example while evacuating the city for any given reason ( Katrina) when violent encounters are more likely, or wearing it during times of civil unrest, lootings and outbursts of violence, protests gone out of control, etc. Just like your firearm or your fire extinguisher, BA is the kind of �insurance� you need to buy before you need it. What kind of BA? Soft body armor by bulletproofme.com. Good people to do business with, specially if you are on a tight budget. Soft boy armor can conceal under regular clothes. Level II BA is an ideal balance between concealabilty and protection. Will stop most handgun rounds, except for FMJ 9mm submachinegun ammo (higher velocity) and 44 magnum. You�d need III-A for that kind of protection. But if you are worried about that kind of threats, maybe hard body armor (plates) is better for your situation. Level II-A, II and III-A is soft body armor, flexible material, more comfortable and will stop most common handgun caliber but will not stop rifle rounds, which will zip righDrt through it ( unless you have exotic armor such as Dagonskin, made by Pinnacle) Level III and IV( stops armor piercing rounds) are hard armor plates, this stop rifle rounds. In my situation, rifles are not that commonly found being used by criminals. Happens but its not that common. Ideally, get good level II armor and then get some armor plates. If things turn ugly, you�d be glad you bought it. Even in much more common home burglaries, taking a couple extra seconds to put on BA can make the difference between life and death. FerFAL

Lucky225 | 10-28-2008 01:00 PM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL Nice post. For $190 not a bad price. For level II

AKBill | 10-28-2008 01:06 PM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL we sell level 3A IBa's (Interceptor Body Armor) for 300 and SAPPI II 4a multi hit plates that will stop 308 AP for 200.00 each

dimitri | 10-28-2008 01:40 PM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL Anyone know where to buy BA in CT?

AKBill | 10-28-2008 02:00 PM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL Just make sure its legal where you live

dimitri | 10-28-2008 02:14 PM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBill (Post 1383439) Just make sure its legal where you live
I think CT is the only state where you have to purchase it in person - the rest of the states you can order it online and have it shipped.

graspAU | 10-28-2008 02:17 PM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL Some states handle them like firearms. You can own it, but you can't wear it out in public. Check your state.

Heimdhal | 10-28-2008 03:24 PM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBill (Post 1383314) we sell level 3A IBa's (Interceptor Body Armor) for 300 and SAPPI II 4a multi hit plates that will stop 308 AP for 200.00 each
Do you have a website or a phone number or any additional information?

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 10-29-2008 04:39 PM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL Quote:
Originally Posted by scottp999 (Post 1383482) Some states handle them like firearms. You can own it, but you can't wear it out in public. Check your state.
That's just awful.

Twisted Avatar | 10-29-2008 05:02 PM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL I think just owning BA in NYC is a class three felony. Sucks. T

platinumdude | 10-29-2008 10:59 PM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL I'm thinking of getting II or IIIA armor without the plates. Figure I can wear it if things got bad, and if not and they become banned I can sell it more cash if I need it. What do you think?

SilverCity | 10-29-2008 11:37 PM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL Four Level III-A vests reside in our home... In the market for plates now.

Maddie | 10-30-2008 12:03 AM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL I got a class IIIA vest with insertable plates a few years ago. I have to admit that sometimes I feel a little ridiculous about having spent the money on it. Unlike Ferfal, I don't see myself having to move large sums of money or meet possibly shadey characters, and sometimes his descriptions of neighborhoods in Argentina don't really sound all too different from city neighborhoods around here. All in all, though, I'm glad I have it. I think you're supposed to body armor every few years, aren't you?

SilverCity | 10-30-2008 12:16 AM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 1386572) I got a class IIIA vest with insertable plates a few years ago. I have to admit that sometimes I feel a little ridiculous about having spent the money on it. Unlike Ferfal, I don't see myself having to move large sums of money or meet possibly shadey characters, and sometimes his descriptions of neighborhoods in Argentina don't really sound all too different from city neighborhoods around here. All in all, though, I'm glad I have it. I think you're supposed to body armor every few years, aren't you?
You mean replace it every few years? No. Body armor is only warrantied by the manufacturer for so many years...like everything else. It's replaced periodically for insurance liability purposes. There is really nothing to wear out. Ours carry a limited lifetime warranty...

thorgrim | 10-30-2008 01:11 AM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL To add to Silver Cities post. He is correct police and security companies replace them every few years for insurance purposes, it doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with them. If you are not wearing it and it is stored in a cool, dry place and out of sunlight it will last a very long time.

Lucky225 | 10-30-2008 02:54 PM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBill (Post 1383314) we sell level 3A IBa's (Interceptor Body Armor) for 300 and SAPPI II 4a multi hit plates that will stop 308 AP for 200.00 each
How about some contact information AKBill..... Sure they would go like hotcakes on here :coolbeer:

platinumdude | 10-31-2008 09:33 AM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL Which kind are you people buying, concealed or tactical?

missdolly | 10-31-2008 10:24 AM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL How heavy is it? Is it something that could be used for physical conditioning as well?

Caligula | 10-31-2008 12:02 PM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 1388990) Which kind are you people buying, concealed or tactical?
I'm gonna pick up some concealed at the next local show, even though it won't cover up my twig and berries.

SilverCity | 10-31-2008 12:22 PM
Re: Body Armor and real world use for it in the city ~ FerFAL Quote:
Originally Posted by missdolly (Post 1389061) How heavy is it? Is it something that could be used for physical conditioning as well?
Most affordable concealed civilian vests I have seen run between 4 and 13 pounds, depending on the level of protection... It sure could be worn for work-outs...

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