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<SLV> | 02-23-2007 05:47 PM
30-06 vs. .308 I just learned today that the 30-06 (Springfield) is a .308 diameter bullet. However, it appears that the .308 (Winchester) has a shorter case. Does his mean that the 30-06 is a more powerful load and therefore a better long-distance caliber?

Bill | 02-23-2007 06:03 PM
Re: 30-06 vs. .308 Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 520018) I just learned today that the 30-06 (Springfield) is a .308 diameter bullet. However, it appears that the .308 (Winchester) has a shorter case. Does his mean that the 30-06 is a more powerful load and therefore a better long-distance caliber?
The 06 gets about 100 fps more velocity with the same bullet as the 308. Where the 06 really shines is with 180 grain and heavier bullets. I would consider it slightly better than 308 for long range work.

Mike_Templar | 02-23-2007 06:35 PM
Re: 30-06 vs. .308 Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill (Post 520032) The 06 gets about 100 fps more velocity with the same bullet as the 308. Where the 06 really shines is with 180 grain and heavier bullets. I would consider it slightly better than 308 for long range work.
I think the military snipers might disagree ;) The 30.06 is a fantastic cartridge and you could do worse, I don't think you'd have any problems finding a box of it in an old country store either, but I think the 308 may be easier to find if the SHTF since it is a NATO standard round. PLUS: You can use a bolt action .308 and then also have a M1A for more 'assault' type action scenarios. The wife and / or kids could use the M1A to defend the close range attacks on the house during SHTF while you were up in the bell tower fending off the long range with a Remington 700 308 or a Steyr, etc. while both pulling from the same ammo pile. Just my .02.

Bill | 02-23-2007 06:44 PM
Re: 30-06 vs. .308 1 Attachment(s) Here's something I fixed up for you SLV.

<SLV> | 02-23-2007 06:56 PM
Re: 30-06 vs. .308 So, what do you 30-06 fans think of the Enfield Model of 1917 rifle? I have a chance to pick up one cheap (Springfield made at Eddystone). Anything in particular I need to consider?

Bill | 02-23-2007 07:03 PM
Re: 30-06 vs. .308 Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 520121) So, what do you 30-06 fans think of the Enfield Model of 1917 rifle? I have a chance to pick up one cheap (Springfield made at Eddystone). Anything in particular I need to consider?
How many FRNs for the Enfield?

gunner | 02-23-2007 07:08 PM
Re: 30-06 vs. .308 Quote:
Originally Posted by YukonCornelius (Post 520086) I think the military snipers might disagree ;) The 30.06 is a fantastic cartridge and you could do worse, I don't think you'd have any problems finding a box of it in an old country store either, but I think the 308 may be easier to find if the SHTF since it is a NATO standard round. PLUS: You can use a bolt action .308 and then also have a M1A for more 'assault' type action scenarios. The wife and / or kids could use the M1A to defend the close range attacks on the house during SHTF while you were up in the bell tower fending off the long range with a Remington 700 308 or a Steyr, etc. while both pulling from the same ammo pile. Just my .02.
Wow - talk about being on the same page !! :beer:

<SLV> | 02-23-2007 07:12 PM
Re: 30-06 vs. .308 Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill (Post 520133) How many FRNs for the Enfield?
under negotiation - maybe 100?

Bill | 02-23-2007 07:19 PM
Re: 30-06 vs. .308 Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 520143) under negotiation - maybe 100?
That's a good price if its not beat.

<SLV> | 02-23-2007 07:24 PM
Re: 30-06 vs. .308 Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill (Post 520148) That's a good price if its not beat.
What should I look for? This gun can be 90 years old, so how do I know if it is a reliable firearm?

Bill | 02-23-2007 07:33 PM
Re: 30-06 vs. .308 Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 520158) What should I look for? This gun can be 90 years old, so how do I know if it is a reliable firearm?
Check the bore to make sure its not rusted/pitted. It would be nice if you could check the headspace. Here's a few other things I had saved: There were a small number of them that had cracked receivers but I believe these were usually found on those Eddystones with replacement barrels. I may be corrected but I know it was only a small number. Try to look for original barrel to the receiver. It will be marked E above the date. Just below the front sight, do a quick check for E stamped on the other parts, bolt, stock, rear sight, ect. A quick and dirty check for a cracked receiver ring on a 1917 is to put some cigarette lighter fluid on the ring and watch it evaporate. If there is a minute crack the last of the fluid will highlight it as it will be soaked briefly into the crack before it evaporates at the last. Some of the cracks are near impossible to see with the naked eye.

Anty Ep | 02-23-2007 08:14 PM
Re: 30-06 vs. .308 Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 520121) So, what do you 30-06 fans think of the Enfield Model of 1917 rifle? I have a chance to pick up one cheap (Springfield made at Eddystone). Anything in particular I need to consider?
whiles back gibbs had some 308 jungle carbines with the wandering zero problem fixed. they were refinished. fantastic survival guns if ya ask me.

eat_beef | 02-23-2007 11:27 PM
Re: 30-06 vs. .308 One thing to consider about 308 vs. '06 is ammo price. You can still get '06 surplus for around 25cents per round, quality 308 is getting close to 40 cents per. Factory/surplus loads for the two are so close in terminal balistics that they might as well be the same, but the '06 has a greater case volume, which can make for a hotter round if you handload.

____hoot____ | 02-24-2007 09:36 AM
Re: 30-06 vs. .308 Get it SLV! For a hundred bucks it would be hard to go wrong on that deal. Tie it to a tree and shoot a half a box through it, pulling the trigger with a rope to ease your mind on it's condition. Look for backed out primers and the general condition of the brass. Just don't ever think about buying any surplus French 30-06 ammo from the Indochina war era; the corrosive primers that they used weakened the brass over fifty years and that stuff is dangerous!!!

eat_beef | 02-24-2007 10:41 AM
Re: 30-06 vs. .308 Plus, when you shoot French ammo, those white flags that pop out of your barrel really get on your nerves after a while. But yes, buy the rifle. For 100 frns, you can send it to a compotent gunsmith and have it checked out and still be money ahead. That's a steal of a deal, even for a beater.

Bill | 02-24-2007 12:31 PM
Re: 30-06 vs. .308 Quote:
Originally Posted by YukonCornelius (Post 520086) I think the military snipers might disagree ;)
7.62x63mm (.30-06 Springfield) The -06 served as the United States primary sniper round from WWI up until sniper rifles were standardized during the later part of the Vietnam conflict. The -06 offers good ballistics and served as an outstanding sniper round. While its purpose might be limited in the Law Enforcement arena, due to possible over penetration, but with the selection of the right ammo, the -06 would serve as a stellar round in a Law Enforcement situation. There is a shortage of sniper grade weapons in the .30-06, which I have never understood why. The -06 falls in-between the .308 and the .300. and there has always been match grade ammo produced by Federal. I personally think this is the ideal military sniping caliber, it offers better ballistics then the .308, but doesn't punish the shooter like the .300. Recommendations: I recommend the .30-06 highly for military applications, but I am a little reluctant to recommend it for Law Enforcement use, unless you take the time to research and find a good, rapidly expanding round. http://www.snipercentral.com/3006.htm Question: Are you a sniper? Answer: "Yes, or at least I was. I ETS'd out of the US Army National Guard in Sep 99'. I graduated from the US Army Sniper School (Honor Grad) at Ft. Benning and I've also graduated a SWAT sniper school conducted by the FBI. Yes, I was National Guard, part of an excellent infantry unit, with lots of experience. While we only trained part time with the unit, we were full time snipers. I was a sniper team member for a year before I became team leader for the last 3 years of my time. And to answer the next question, no I never saw combat, thats why my name is not on the list." http://www.snipercentral.com/faq.htm#SECTION6 Quote:
The 30.06 is a fantastic cartridge and you could do worse, I don't think you'd have any problems finding a box of it in an old country store either, but I think the 308 may be easier to find if the SHTF since it is a NATO standard round.
Its a rare rifle that will shoot surplus ball ammo accurately enough for sniper use. Don't know where you expect to find match ammo after SHTF. Best place to get it will be from other snipers. Good luck.

<SLV> | 02-24-2007 12:39 PM
Re: 30-06 vs. .308 Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill (Post 520796) 7.62x63mm (.30-06 Springfield) The -06 served as the United States primary sniper round from WWI up until sniper rifles were standardized during the later part of the Vietnam conflict. The -06 offers good ballistics and served as an outstanding sniper round. While its purpose might be limited in the Law Enforcement arena, due to possible over penetration, but with the selection of the right ammo, the -06 would serve as a stellar round in a Law Enforcement situation. There is a shortage of sniper grade weapons in the .30-06, which I have never understood why. The -06 falls in-between the .308 and the .300. and there has always been match grade ammo produced by Federal. I personally think this is the ideal military sniping caliber, it offers better ballistics then the .308, but doesn't punish the shooter like the .300. Recommendations: I recommend the .30-06 highly for military applications, but I am a little reluctant to recommend it for Law Enforcement use, unless you take the time to research and find a good, rapidly expanding round. http://www.snipercentral.com/3006.htm Question: Are you a sniper? Answer: "Yes, or at least I was. I ETS'd out of the US Army National Guard in Sep 99'. I graduated from the US Army Sniper School (Honor Grad) at Ft. Benning and I've also graduated a SWAT sniper school conducted by the FBI. Yes, I was National Guard, part of an excellent infantry unit, with lots of experience. While we only trained part time with the unit, we were full time snipers. I was a sniper team member for a year before I became team leader for the last 3 years of my time. And to answer the next question, no I never saw combat, thats why my name is not on the list." http://www.snipercentral.com/faq.htm#SECTION6 Its a rare rifle that will shoot surplus ball ammo accurately enough for sniper use. Don't know where you expect to find match ammo after SHTF. Best place to get it will be from other snipers. Good luck.
Thanks, Bill. You have given me a lot of convincing information. I think that the ole' country stores (and even Wal-Mart) generally carry 30-06. It also has less of a stigma as an assault calliber in areas of big game hunting (like here in Colorado). I appreciate all of the info you guys have shared, but I turned down the gun. After looking at it I discovered that the barrel had been replaced and shortened 6 inches (as well as the stock had been modified). Additionally it had the sites knocked off and was drilled for scope mounts. Not what I had in mind. On the other hand, I think I'll keep my eyes open for a good '06.

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