Gold & Silver Forum (http://goldismoney.info/forums/index.php)
- Survival Prep (http://goldismoney.info/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=141)
- - Great gas mask? (http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=172434)

Baphomet Jones | 08-31-2007 08:22 PM
Great gas mask? I'm partial to the Avon S-10/FM12, but I'm considering getting a few Scott ProMask 2000's or M95's to give to loved ones, anyone got any suggestions, or good deals?

Baphomet Jones | 08-31-2007 08:31 PM
Re: Great gas mask? Awesome, thats the exact site I was looking at! Its a pretty good deal, I usually look at Botac.com to get an idea for what I shouldn't be paying, although, they did have M95's for $95 once. They were probably half expired or something though. http://www.safetysystemscorp.com/fou...oduct=AV1-FM12 Best deal I could find on the FM12 / S-10

Baphomet Jones | 09-01-2007 08:00 PM
Re: Great gas mask? http://store.botachtactical.com/aearogasmask.html http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/342/86161018dc3.jpg Thinking about getting those now, since they're on sale. I hope most people fit in a medium.

Large Sarge | 09-01-2007 08:11 PM
Re: Great gas mask? unsure what your plans are, but Chem/bio weapons are notoriously hard to deploy. if you are hoping to ride out a CS attack by law enforcement, then this is ok. but a lot of the stuff you hear/read about chem/bio weapons is pretty much "fantasy land"

Baphomet Jones | 09-01-2007 08:29 PM
Re: Great gas mask? Quote:
Originally Posted by Large Sarge (Post 719883) unsure what your plans are, but Chem/bio weapons are notoriously hard to deploy. if you are hoping to ride out a CS attack by law enforcement, then this is ok. but a lot of the stuff you hear/read about chem/bio weapons is pretty much "fantasy land"
Yeah, something as simple as a change in wind speed/direction could render most of that stuff ineffective. But, with the government harping on about preparedness, and me living a few minutes outside NYC, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if we got crop dusted with chemicals, or there was an explosion in a chemical plant in NJ that sent a cloud of toxic gas to us, or the DHS went door to door spraying people in the face with sarin, who knows nowadays. A couple gas masks would do more for peace of mind, still can't afford to Escape from NY :confused_ma: http://glocktalk.com/sitemap/topic/40226-1.html Botac has absolutely horrendous and totally unacceptable reviews regarding their service, a lot of people suggest calling them and asking them to make sure the item is in stock before you pay them. Maybe I'll do that tuesday/wednesday... but I'll still keep looking.

Kahlil Gibran | 09-01-2007 08:51 PM
Re: Great gas mask? Quote:
Originally Posted by Large Sarge (Post 719883) if you are hoping to ride out a CS attack by law enforcement, then this is ok.
Nobody else will be using this on us.

Kahlil Gibran | 09-01-2007 08:52 PM
Re: Great gas mask? Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 719899) Botac has absolutely horrendous and totally unacceptable reviews regarding their service, a lot of people suggest calling them and asking them to make sure the item is in stock before you pay them.
Thieves and a non-existent Customer Service Dept. I know. If you wear eyeglasses verify the clearance first.

gunner | 09-01-2007 08:54 PM
Re: Great gas mask? Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 719867) http://store.botachtactical.com/aearogasmask.html Good price, I think I paid about the same 7 years ago - http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/342/86161018dc3.jpg Thinking about getting those now, since they're on sale. I hope most people fit in a medium.
Good price, I think I paid the same about 7 years ago and considering inflation and dollar purchasing power - looks like a good deal. Military grade is the way to go IMO

gunner | 09-01-2007 08:55 PM
Re: Great gas mask? Quote:
Originally Posted by Kahlil Gibran (Post 719913) Nobody else will be using this on us.
I agree !!

AKBill | 09-01-2007 11:32 PM
Re: Great gas mask? Ireali mask's are the way to go they take a standard 40mm US filter and can be picked up under twenty bucks up here in Alaska so they got to be cheeper than that down in the lower 48 as for there usefullness we tested all our masks with CS and all the boys with the isreali masks did just as good as those of us who spent the big coin on current US military issue

Maddie | 09-02-2007 12:13 AM
Re: Great gas mask? I like these: http://www.approvedgasmasks.com/scott-m95.htm

mjk1971 | 09-02-2007 01:54 AM
Re: Great gas mask? Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 718814) I'm partial to the Avon S-10/FM12, but I'm considering getting a few Scott ProMask 2000's or M95's to give to loved ones, anyone got any suggestions, or good deals?
Either one looks good, but...are you going to carry one on your person everywhere you go, at all times? If not, what good is it? If it's in your trunk or in your house, you'll not be able to use it for its intended purpose in 999 out of 1000 scenarios. If gas is released and it's going to effect you, you have seconds to retrieve it, put it on, and make sure it's fitted right. If gas is released and you have time to retrieve it from storage and don it, then it's most probably not going to effect you, with or without the mask. I find gas masks to be as useless for nearly every civilian as Tom Ridge's duct tape* and plastic sheeting fiasco. US cities aren't going to be taking Scud hits like Tel Aviv in 1991, which is where most people got the idea masks are "necessary" in survival supplies. * I'm a big fan of duct tape as a general "fix it" tool, but his proposal to hermetically seal one's house with it was asinine.

hystckndle | 09-02-2007 08:35 AM
Re: Great gas mask? Quote:
Originally Posted by mjk1971 (Post 720179) Either one looks good, but...are you going to carry one on your person everywhere you go, at all times? If not, what good is it? If it's in your trunk or in your house, you'll not be able to use it for its intended purpose in 999 out of 1000 scenarios. If gas is released and it's going to effect you, you have seconds to retrieve it, put it on, and make sure it's fitted right. If gas is released and you have time to retrieve it from storage and don it, then it's most probably not going to effect you, with or without the mask. I find gas masks to be as useless for nearly every civilian as Tom Ridge's duct tape* and plastic sheeting fiasco. US cities aren't going to be taking Scud hits like Tel Aviv in 1991, which is where most people got the idea masks are "necessary" in survival supplies. * I'm a big fan of duct tape as a general "fix it" tool, but his proposal to hermetically seal one's house with it was asinine.
I remember going up to the home depot one day to get some visquine for some assistance in a roofing leak I had. I have lived here forever it seems and so it was just a normal trip that was / is habit. I had been busy that week ( work and roof leak ) and was NOT paying attention to the talking heads, one of which was the above mentioned govcrat and his theories about sealing ones house with duct tape and visquine and boogeymen etc etc etc... So I get to the aisle where everything is SUPPOSED to be and it was empty like a category 12 storm was off the coast and there was just some debris where the visquine usually is.....a beeeg space was cleared out.... everything gone... Once I figured out what had happened, I got, and still do get, a chuckle or two out of this. Regards, Haystackneedle

Baphomet Jones | 09-02-2007 10:52 AM
Re: Great gas mask? Thanks for the input, GIM From what I've read, the Israeli masks are good for CS but might not be able to handle other chemicals. A while back, a friend of mine came into some very nice gas masks real cheap somehow and gave me one. I ended up getting another. Now these masks are over 10 years old, so I'm concerned the rubber may be no good. How did you come across CS to test with? Are you LEO/Military, or...? Feel free not to answer AKBill, I know thats your business. I'd just love to get my hands on some of that, if civillians can still legally obtain it in some form or another. I've got a bunch of Swiss NBC filters from this seller on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/30-Swiss-Militar...QQcmdZViewItem I see what you're saying though MJK, but I wouldn't be surprised if the need for a mask came up. When SHTF, depending on how bad it is, my town should be very interesting to sit back and watch. With my town's police department's budget increase, they're rolling around on Segways, driving brand new and VERY nice squad cars, I'm sure they got a bunch more CS they'd love to try out. Just keeping us safe, you know :rolleyes_m: So, I'm pretty sure I'll have a use for the thing if and when SHTF. Added bonus of a clear conscious, having masks for family. Anyone know if these masks are useful against biological threats, (piles of garbage from lack of sanitation, dead bodies everywhere, rats, etc.) or would I need a full tyvek suit to really be set?

mjk1971 | 09-02-2007 12:28 PM
Re: Great gas mask? Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 720350) I see what you're saying though MJK, but I wouldn't be surprised if the need for a mask came up. When SHTF, depending on how bad it is, my town should be very interesting to sit back and watch. With my town's police department's budget increase, they're rolling around on Segways, driving brand new and VERY nice squad cars, I'm sure they got a bunch more CS they'd love to try out. Just keeping us safe, you know :rolleyes_m:
Well, for protection against CS, definitely quite useful, but, one can use the more common, lower-cost 3M, MSA, and similar masks available at Home Depot or Lowe's *. HD and Lowe's should carry fresher stock than most "survivalist" retailers, as well. I'm one to believe, however, that when the tear gas doesn't work anymore to disperse hungry, desperate crowds, they'll start using lead. Hence, I've imposed a rule that my family is to avoid crowds regardless of circumstances to get them into the mindset when it will mean life or death. * Verify that "2-chlorobenzalmalononitrile" (CS gas) is filtered out. CN tear gas is "chloroacetophenone" (DO NOT mistake "CN" with "HCN," Hydrogen Cyanide) - also verify the exact model number with the data at these sites: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...s/Respirators/ http://www.msanorthamerica.com/catalog/catalog503.html

Baphomet Jones | 09-02-2007 01:29 PM
Re: Great gas mask? Thanks MJK! I've got a friend who works at a nearby lowes, I'll bug him about this and save myself the trip :D

REV127 | 09-02-2007 02:01 PM
Re: Great gas mask? Any good mask is worth it for the teargas angle alone. Other scenarios it's a roll of the dice. You can build a safe room fairly easily though that will protect from NBC, you just have to keep it overpressure. Airtanks would probably be a better, easier option over trying to filter. Scuba guys can work out the formulas easily. The wife and I have been talking seriously about building a general purpose shelter for tornado/hurricane/bomb/anything use. I'm going to have a friend help with the air, too. May as well protect against chemical, they use chlorine in the municipal water supply. One train wreck in the wrong place at the wrong time and half the county could end up hating life.

mjk1971 | 09-02-2007 03:22 PM
Re: Great gas mask? Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 720452) Thanks MJK! I've got a friend who works at a nearby lowes, I'll bug him about this and save myself the trip :D
He probably gets an employee discount, so coax him into buying it for you, and then paying him back actual cost. :bear_w00t:

mjk1971 | 09-02-2007 03:23 PM
Re: Great gas mask? Quote:
Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 720505) Any good mask is worth it for the teargas angle alone. Other scenarios it's a roll of the dice. You can build a safe room fairly easily though that will protect from NBC, you just have to keep it overpressure. Airtanks would probably be a better, easier option over trying to filter. Scuba guys can work out the formulas easily. The wife and I have been talking seriously about building a general purpose shelter for tornado/hurricane/bomb/anything use. I'm going to have a friend help with the air, too. May as well protect against chemical, they use chlorine in the municipal water supply. One train wreck in the wrong place at the wrong time and half the county could end up hating life.
Would it be OK to use pure Oxygen in my home overpressure shelter? :sarcasm:

Baphomet Jones | 09-02-2007 03:45 PM
Re: Great gas mask? Quote:
Originally Posted by mjk1971 (Post 720584) Would it be OK to use pure Oxygen in my home overpressure shelter? :sarcasm:
Thats fine, just make sure you only smoke the finest cuban cigars while you're inside, don't stink up the place with dutchmasters :D

REV127 | 09-02-2007 04:20 PM
Re: Great gas mask? You don't want a pure oxygen environment... If you want to set up an overpressure safe room get help from a diver in setting it up. I like DIY for most things but there are times you need to go to a pro. When I get around to mine I'll probably post most of the relevant info.

Baphomet Jones | 09-02-2007 04:37 PM
Re: Great gas mask? I think he was kidding, and knows I was kidding, but its still good to make sure everyone realizes that... Pure oxygen = extremly dangerous This guy a year or two ago was telling me about how some moron working at a shipyard decided to dust himself off using pure oxygen from an oxyacetalyne cutting setup, rather than compressed air (NOT THE SAME THING!) and died shortly thereafter when he lit a cigarette. All the sweats, oils, grease, clothing, plus pure oxygen = human inferno. What a way to go :no_ma: Tuesday, I'll call Botac and safetyproducts-store and see what the deal is. I'll let you guys know how it goes

mjk1971 | 09-02-2007 07:37 PM
Re: Great gas mask? Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 720701) I think he was kidding, and knows I was kidding, but its still good to make sure everyone realizes that... Pure oxygen = extremly dangerous
:bear_w00t::bear_w00t::bear_w00t: Yes, I was indeed kidding!!! (on a sad note, it was a pure oxygen environment that killed the Apollo 1 astronauts...that, and an idiotic door design that opened inwards...)

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:14 AM. |

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright = None use it and Link to GIM