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Mike 90% | 11-17-2006 08:06 AM
Some of you guys are forgetting something! Hi I read must of the lastest posts here, I wonder if any of you been in the military? I fail to see anyone mention perimeter security, such as motion detection, personal traps like toe poppers, stick pits, charges and what not. I also didn't see mention of any escape and evasion plans, or the simply little last plan "when all else fails"!!! Oh, not even the mention of a first aid kit! Wow!!! :banghead: I seen plenty of posts on 50 cal guns, :smokin: my advice, you will not need to be a long range worrier! A little tip, use the weapon cal. of your enemy and fight in a circle or triangle! I guess, Vietnam is not known to most here! But for those with any A.I.T. and escape and evasion training or Buds must find it very enlightening seeing the "knowledge of the resistance force"! Anyway, some are on the right track, most are very misguided. Mike 90%

crazychicken | 11-17-2006 08:15 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike 90% (Post 419183) Hi I read must of the lastest posts here, I wonder if any of you been in the military? I fail to see anyone mention perimeter security, such as motion detection, personal traps like toe poppers, stick pits, charges and what not. I also didn't see mention of any escape and evasion plans, or the simply little last plan "when all else fails"!!! Oh, not even the mention of a first aid kit! Wow!!! :banghead: I seen plenty of posts on 50 cal guns, :smokin: my advice, you will not need to be a long range worrier! I little tip, use the weapon cal. of your enemy and fight in a circle or triangle! I guess, Vietnam is not known to most here! But for those with any A.I.T. and escape and evasion training or Buds must find it very enlightening seeing the "knowledge of the resistance force"! Anyway, some are on the right track, most are very misguided. Mike 90%
Sshhh! Quiet! Nothing to see here--Move along! CC

Tn...Andy | 11-17-2006 08:35 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! I don't normally talk about such issues openly....and I don't intend to tell you what 'greetings' are arranged.......but this is one product in use at my place: http://www.absoluteautomation.com/dakotaalert/mursir/ Personnel and vehicle sensors both in operation. Decent system for the money. Watch animals as well. I do agree that toys like a 50cal, fun as they are, have little value to me. I've said before.......if it comes to bad trouble, they may well get me.....but the FIRST guy won't....and the 2nd guy better have lunch with him. :D

Mike 90% | 11-17-2006 09:42 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by Elijah (Post 419222) Mike 90%, Most here are too young to have experienced Vietnam, but not all of us are. There are just some things better left undisclosed on a public forum. Things like you mentioned for instance. I really get a chuckle out of some of the stuff the young guys come out with. By the same token, they probably think me to be a bit on the paranoid side. One guy on another forum wants to go live in the wilderness of Alaska. He is 21, lives in a large city on the coast. I wonder if he even has the concept of what that move would involve. For instance, just think of the amount of TP he'd need to spend a season out in the bush. hehehe However, since you just joined in, welcome to GIM. Hope to hear more of what you have to say.
That's funny, I heard one person state he will try to locate the enterance of the hollow earth. Anyway one still needs to plan correctly for when the foreign enemy from overseas or the space aliens come an try to do them harm! Mike 90%

RiverRat | 11-17-2006 09:43 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! :cool2: Welcome to GIM... You have missed a lot my friend. Lot's of hardcore former Vietnam Vets here at GIM...me ?...no comment. We got more survival types than a herd of sheep at the roundup. Some things we just don't discuss in the open,better to keep TPTB guessing.Some of us...let's just say...we are more than ready...probably five years ahead of the herd. Best bet...stay under the radar. This is a public forum. Pass me that twinkie....the one with the C4 in it. :party9: :party9:

Mike 90% | 11-17-2006 09:53 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverRat (Post 419260) :cool2: Welcome to GIM... You have missed a lot my friend. Lot's of hardcore former Vietnam Vets here at GIM...me ?...no comment. We got more survival types than a herd of sheep at the roundup. Some things we just don't discuss in the open,better to keep TPTB guessing.Some of us...let's just say...we are more than ready...probably five years ahead of the herd. Best bet...stay under the radar. This is a public forum. Pass me that twinkie....the one with the C4 in it. :party9: :party9:
Thanks, Agreed! Were you a black beret in the brown water nav. squardon in country? I only ask because the name "RiverRat" was a commonly used nav term. Mike 90%

Mike 90% | 11-17-2006 10:25 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Good little links, add to ones bag of tricks. http://www.gruntonline.com/NVAandVC/boobytraps1.htm http://25thaviation.org/history/id536.htm Mike 90%

Anty Ep | 11-17-2006 11:04 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverRat (Post 419260) :cool2: Welcome to GIM... .... Best bet...stay under the radar. This is a public forum. Pass me that twinkie....the one with the C4 in it. :party9: :party9:
There you have the obvious answer. The internet is monitored by "anti-government watchdogs" most of whom are basically busybodies that want to get their, er, social-outgroup rivals in trouble, so they troll around looking for "anti-government" websites and whenever somebody even approaches certain "red zones" of speech, they piddle their pants and run to law enforcement. LE usually yawns and prefers to work on real crime but then they send in their apparatchiks and commissars to insist that so-and-so "not get away with it." So mods like it, and we who have been witness to this kind of harassment, especially like it, and best for people to stay away from that sort of technical details. Most of the gun talk is ok though. Everbuddy lahkes gunz!:smokin:

RiverRat | 11-17-2006 11:42 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! :coolbeer: Mike90%: In country two tours... The what,where,how and when details....still classified. De Oppessor Liber :coolbeer:

Maddie | 11-17-2006 12:37 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! GIM isn't primarily a survival forum. The more extensive, hardcore survival topics tend to get posted on the forums that are primarily survival-oriented, though you'll find quite a few GIM members posting on those forums, too. However, you're about 2 years too late for extensive and detailed discussions on most of those topics. Americans failed to hold the line when we should have, and now a turncoat Uncle Sam has stepped across it in a big pair of jackboots. We've stopped talking about a lot of stuff, especially in any detail. Medicine and medical supplies are still a fairly safe topic. (We did have a discussion about supplies here not too long ago.) Occasionally someone posts about night vision optics, sandbags, trip wires, ambush tactics, etc., but even those are bringing in far fewer responses than they used to. Most people now refuse to talk about their plans in any detailed way. It doesn't mean the skill set, supplies, or plans are lacking out here. It means we're aware that a time is coming when we'll likely regret anything we've said about our plans and set-ups and supplies in public.

cb&julie | 11-17-2006 12:56 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! You're right, Maddie, but I think what Mike 90% is saying is that the survival stuff that we do chat about is lacking something and he's adding to it.

AMforPM | 11-17-2006 01:33 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! And departing the hot potato department... First aid has had several threads. I started one not that long ago. You might have to do a search to see some discussion, but I added to our kit from shared ideas.

REV127 | 11-19-2006 06:17 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike 90% (Post 419183) Hi I read must of the lastest posts here, I wonder if any of you been in the military? I fail to see anyone mention perimeter security, such as motion detection, personal traps like toe poppers, stick pits, charges and what not. I also didn't see mention of any escape and evasion plans, or the simply little last plan "when all else fails"!!! Oh, not even the mention of a first aid kit! Wow!!! :banghead: I seen plenty of posts on 50 cal guns, :smokin: my advice, you will not need to be a long range worrier! A little tip, use the weapon cal. of your enemy and fight in a circle or triangle! I guess, Vietnam is not known to most here! But for those with any A.I.T. and escape and evasion training or Buds must find it very enlightening seeing the "knowledge of the resistance force"! Anyway, some are on the right track, most are very misguided. Mike 90%
What makes .50bmg rifles tactically interesting in the 21st century is not their long legs. If you do some searches you will see all those topics are periodically discussed. As for everybody else worried about watchdogs, there are no safe topics. If that is your concern stop posting or don't host discussion forums. Your private emails aren't safe, either. Echelon. Unless you're a complete sheep you are probably already on somebody's list and it doesn't matter if you're at the top or the bottom because either nothing will happen and there's no problems or else there will be problems for everybody and nowhere to hide. That said, I've read a lot of content on a lot of forums from a lot of posters with a lot of credentials over the years. I've never seen anything ever that was too hot to be posted beyond certain opsec/persec-related information. None of this stuff is rocket science, least of all very basic perimeter defense considerations such as those outlined in the title post. The fundamentals of sound tactics and strategy are no different in modern videogames, ancient boardgames, many sports and any battle from the stone age to the present day. The only thing that changes is how those principles are applied to a given scenario. Stupid people will never be able to figure it out and clever people always will.

AMforPM | 11-19-2006 11:00 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! I wonder if some of it is genetic, being a species that both hunts and is hunted. I noticed myself thinking where in the house to be if I heard unauthorized entry as a teen and sat down to wonder where that thought came from since we had never had a break in. I decided it was natural to be aware of the defensive potential of the place where you slept and probably goes far back in time and deep in the genetics of the ones that did not get eaten, but lived to raise offspring, and managed to feed them. But then maybe it was horror movies. :haha:

electric-amish | 11-19-2006 11:19 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! AM Your probebly more right than wrong. "But then maybe it was horror movies. :haha:" I remember that one a couble of years ago. The title was something like Hurrican Katrina.:rofl: E-A

mtnman | 11-20-2006 01:08 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 420778) What makes .50bmg rifles tactically interesting in the 21st century is not their long legs. If you do some searches you will see all those topics are periodically discussed. As for everybody else worried about watchdogs, there are no safe topics. If that is your concern stop posting or don't host discussion forums. Your private emails aren't safe, either. Echelon. Unless you're a complete sheep you are probably already on somebody's list and it doesn't matter if you're at the top or the bottom because either nothing will happen and there's no problems or else there will be problems for everybody and nowhere to hide. That said, I've read a lot of content on a lot of forums from a lot of posters with a lot of credentials over the years. I've never seen anything ever that was too hot to be posted beyond certain opsec/persec-related information. None of this stuff is rocket science, least of all very basic perimeter defense considerations such as those outlined in the title post. The fundamentals of sound tactics and strategy are no different in modern videogames, ancient boardgames, many sports and any battle from the stone age to the present day. The only thing that changes is how those principles are applied to a given scenario. Stupid people will never be able to figure it out and clever people always will.
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R MacDonald | 11-20-2006 01:39 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 421031) Try using these words in your email so you'll be easier to track! LOL!!! 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Is worth repeating... LOL!!! :banana: :haha: :banana:

REV127 | 11-20-2006 01:42 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! If you don't want to be tracked then you should never have posted anything anywhere, sent any emails or private messages to anybody about anything or looked at any sites with a computer that can be traced to you. Data mining is a powerful tool that tends to find what it is looking for, when it comes to the "list" it even finds targets where there are none. If you want to pass on some useful information to someone who is not yet compromised, buy a used laptop for cash at a fleamarket or other private face to face sale. If it doesn't do wi-fi, buy a card for cash. Then browse from somebody else's unsecured WAP. Don't use the same one too many times in a row, use random access points that are not in an obvious radius from your home. Anything less is only protecting you from other casual net users. Electronic communications and "virtual reality" are pwned. OTOH, they really suck at tracking low tech "actual reality". It's a simply matter of benefit/risk and threat analysis.

Veli Hopea | 11-20-2006 02:08 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike 90% (Post 419183) I read must of the lastest posts here, I wonder if any of you been in the military?
Hear hear! I was. Quote:
A little tip, use the weapon cal. of your enemy and fight in a circle or triangle!
Guess why Finns chose 7.62x39 cartridge to the RK assault rifles? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rk_62 What ever piece you have, it must work when you need it. Damn if it feels too heavy, because then it is too heavy. You'd better have plenty of ammo.

lhslancers | 11-20-2006 05:56 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! At my age I forget a lot of things.

Tn...Andy | 11-20-2006 06:24 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! I've even forgotten who you are....please re-introduce yourself, and include some of those pictures of your girlfriend. :D

lhslancers | 11-20-2006 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 421120) I've even forgotten who you are....please re-introduce yourself, and include some of those pictures of your girlfriend. :D
Certainly. :cool1:

Curtman | 11-20-2006 06:47 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Heavens to murgatroid man! :banana:

Anty Ep | 11-20-2006 08:59 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! I'm surprised nobody's mentioned man's oldest perimeter guard and one of the best: http://www.germanshepherddog.com/ima...htdoghead3.jpg

Too Broke | 11-20-2006 09:02 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! So ah , what would happen if I included ALL those words in one email?? :secruity:

Mike 90% | 11-20-2006 12:56 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Glad to see some aren't afraid to speak out. :ARMS1: What gets me about this Countries people is no one will band together, example if we all took 6-12 months off work at the same time the system would fall apart and government wouldn't know what to do. Best time to do this is in March or April after tax refunds are returned. The French back in the 1980s did this many of times and in less then 3 weeks the government was crying like babies and changes came about as a result. This I.M.H.O. would wreck havoc on them all! I for one refuse to pay into this system anylonger, What I have I own and thats it! I am doing this above board no more earned income and no more stock trading and anything else that generates taxes. If something does generate taxes then I make sure it's less then the deductions. Tax free bonds stink but they help avoid paying these scumbags. Metals are sweet Mike 90% :beer:

Mike 90% | 11-20-2006 01:10 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 421204) I'm surprised nobody's mentioned man's oldest perimeter guard and one of the best: http://www.germanshepherddog.com/ima...htdoghead3.jpg
Love those Shepherds! Mike 90%

REV127 | 11-20-2006 01:18 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 421204) I'm surprised nobody's mentioned man's oldest perimeter guard and one of the best: http://www.germanshepherddog.com/ima...htdoghead3.jpg
Sssh!!! Don't talk about hardcore elite tactical secrets like that on a public forum or else Al Qaida will use it against us and the government will come raid your house! :aetsch: Quote:
What gets about this Countries people no one will band together, example if we all took 6-12 months off work at the same time the system would fall apart and government wouldn't know what to do. Best time to do this is in march or April after tax refunds are returned.
That has got to be one of the best non-violent protest ideas I have heard, ever. I also dig what you're saying about not generating taxable income. It won't be too much longer till my farm is producing all the food my wife and I need, we have plenty of water on the property and I'm going to produce all our electricity on site as well. In a few years this place will be paid off and we'll require very little money for day to day operations. Reviewing a small segment of the enormous tax code it appears that we could easily write off an ammount of domestic income that would comfortably cover the incidentals and entertainment.

hystckndle | 11-20-2006 01:40 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Mike, Check out some of the older posts here by a guy who called himself " IrishGold " ...you might find some interesting stuff there. Regards, Haystackneedle

Mike 90% | 11-20-2006 02:31 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 421408) I also dig what you're saying about not generating taxable income. It won't be too much longer till my farm is producing all the food my wife and I need, we have plenty of water on the property and I'm going to produce all our electricity on site as well. In a few years this place will be paid off and we'll require very little money for day to day operations. Reviewing a small segment of the enormous tax code it appears that we could easily write off an ammount of domestic income that would comfortably cover the incidentals and entertainment.
Way to go!! Mike 90% :beer:

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lhslancers | 11-20-2006 02:34 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtman (Post 421132) Heavens to murgatroid man! :banana:
Sufferin' succotash.

AMforPM | 11-20-2006 03:23 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! With all the outsourcing I'm not sure we'd be missed at work, but maybe as 'consumers', though not for much longer. Still, making a life outside the system is a positive step.

REV127 | 11-21-2006 02:38 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSimpleton (Post 422322) Whatever happened to IrishGold? Or Panda for that matter? For perimeter let me suggest if you're in need of pungi pits, you're in the wrong place to begin with. Running a house or a farm is different from being in a war. It's much, much worse. One more time for the newcomers: http://www.buildanark.net/survival_stories.html It doesn't matter what you have, what preps you've made, if a larger force, like the Deputy Constable, then the Constable, then the RCMP/State, then SWAT, then the Guard show up, they are going to step inside. Or they are going to imprison your family, level your house, and thereafter the town of anyone who might have supported you, in fact or by accident.
That isn't all necessarily true. The first step to surviving a raid on your home by a superior force is early detection. Dogs, seismic sensors, webcams and others can all give you foreknowledge of an impending attack. If you know they're coming and have just a couple quick minutes there is a lot you can do. You can compromise an entire ground-based enemy force by simply having a tank of gasoline hooked up to your sprinkler system, creating an area of denial where and as large as you would like it. Or you can wait till they enter your perimeter and teach them what it is like to burn in Hell. As an added bonus if you choose to ignite your bbq pit you'll be generating plenty of smoke and heat to help cover your retreat. Since we're assuming this particular band of enemies is part of a much larger, overwhelming force you're definately spot on about retreating after it is safe to do so. If it is just some stupid marauding gangs, technicals or some other penny ante threat then it is entirely possible to wipe them out and continue living your life. If we're really talking about a collapse of law and order you should proactively patrol your community and put to the sword all such violent bandits, gangs, etc. It makes all the sense in the world and is the only moral thing to do for a man with the means. Find a few other people you can rely on to help out and form a group, like happened in NOLA. Running itself is only forestalling the inevitable, because if there was any safe place to run you should already be there. Instead what you're really doing is being forced to abandon a position of strength and become a refugee with no good idea where your next meal will come from or what dangers you may encounter. I don't like punji pits because they are always on and they cannot readily be moved. Right now I prefer bear traps, they are moveable, reusable and can be placed anywhere you think they'll do the most good. They're the poor man's landmine. I do like defensive landscaping. My pond is located such that anyone approaching my home from the access road will have to take the long way around and they will have no cover. Behind my house is lots of dense woods which I walk regularly. Anyone approaching from this direction will be detected from their noise from a good ways off and my 7.62x39 happens to be very well suited firing through such dense growth. The woods also afford me an easy avenue of escape. If your problem is just unwashed hordes of marching morons looking to loot you for food or whatever else and you don't feel good about shooting them then I would suggest you invest in pepper spray grenades and 1lbs fogger units. These are equally effective against mobs and riots of all sorts. You'd be suprised how quickly a mob breaks apart when the air they breathe becomes harmful to them. If you want to really terrorize them in a nonlethal way you can further pop smoke and get on a bullhorn and yell all kinds of crazy things. You can up the ante with a 12 gauge shotgun firing beanbag rounds, rubber slugs or rubber buckshot. The grenades and even the fog unit can be set up to be triggered remotely, or can be incorporated directly into boobytraps. The first step is to know they're coming, the next is to have an idea of what kind of threat you are facing, i.e. a small independent group or part of a much larger military force. From there you just choose the best way of coping with the problem. If you know you're going to lose your place it makes sense to slip away quietly but hit the self destruct button on the way out so the invaders get caught in the blast. Retreat without inflicting enemy casaulties is morally undesirable as it encourages evil and demoralizes the sheep. What's more is there isn't really any safety in retreat unless you manage to completely avoid all detection, otherwise retreat just means all the casaulties are on your side. If you are forced out by a superior force and rightly wish to see them gone, just shoot one of them when they're least expecting it, preferably from long range, every few days or so. Slip away after making you're shot, don't try to go toe to toe with them, you won't have to anyway. You'll quickly immobilize even a large force which will make them vulnerable to all sorts of things. Sooner or later this gets very expensive. A few clever and brave men with only well sighted bolt action milsurp rifles could extract a toll of a battalion a year from any force on the face of the planet under most conditions. If you're facing a modern military force though that isn't the way to go, dammage or destroy equipment and supplies instead. Sooner or later you'll drag them down to your level and beat them with experience. The most important thing to remember is that nobody is half as elite as they say they are. All this "ultimate warrior" stuff is nonsense. There are plenty of people who are extremely good at what they do, that comes with practice, but they're easier to deal with than you've been lead to believe. All you have to do is not behave in the way they are expecting and don't try to match them in the areas they're good at. Why challenge modern military aircraft with your dinky rifle when you can find out where the pilot hangs out when he isn't at work? Or where they store the fuel or park the plane? Deny them tactical overmatch by picking your battles. A particular Chechen-held city was under siege by a much superior Russian force. The Chechens would make a fighting retreat during the Russian assualts, at night they would come back and retake their positions. They coordinated their forces by having individual units call in their positions and enemy movement to a command bunker located somewhere deep within the city that plotted all Russian and Chechen movements on a computer. The computer was not networked. Orders were sent with runners rather than by radio. The Russians had a very hard time getting any intel on their enemy because the Chechens realized the Russians were technologically superior so they didn't try to operate as a technological force. They opted out of a game they were sure to lose and thereby put the superior force at a disadvantage. That's why guns are only a slice of the pie, not the total equation. You need force multipliers as well, such as armor, fire, gas, smoke, dogs, intel, anything you can think of that would help. Know what you're going to do if you're attacked. Know what you're going to do if you get away.

Libertarian_Guard | 11-21-2006 04:01 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSimpleton (Post 422322) Whatever happened to IrishGold? Or Panda for that matter? For perimeter let me suggest if you're in need of pungi pits, you're in the wrong place to begin with. Running a house or a farm is different from being in a war. It's much, much worse. One more time for the newcomers: http://www.buildanark.net/survival_stories.html It doesn't matter what you have, what preps you've made, if a larger force, like the Deputy Constable, then the Constable, then the RCMP/State, then SWAT, then the Guard show up, they are going to step inside. Or they are going to imprison your family, level your house, and thereafter the town of anyone who might have supported you, in fact or by accident. In wars your children, dogs, neighbors are safe at home. Not in a civil war or rebellion, social collapse situation. Ask yourself how that would work in Beirut for example, or Sarajevo. If entertainment's your liking, watch "Cold Mountain". May I suggest a tactical retreat instead, in the tradtion Washington or Ned of the Hill? TS "He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day." That is why 4G wins.
Someone here ( I don�t remember who ) mentioned that they heard from Irish Gold�s wife, that he had passed away. Panda has not been heard from in almost a year when he was last banned, he had been banned previously, under the names Soldis and Midas.

Mike 90% | 11-22-2006 07:03 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Great post Rev127 I like the gas tank with the sprinkler system, one could even tie the zones into the motion sensors to save on the fuel ammo. I like you live in a good location, snake and gator infested area, 400+ square miles out my back door. :cool1: When the Foreign Enemy or Space Aliens invade! :afraid: I found 1x4 inch board with 3 1/2" nails driven through them and placed around the perimeter very useful, rusted nails and fecal coated are the best. For their attack dogs, Broken glass jars around you dwelling is great as well as the boards with the nails. Inside the structure several 55 gallon drums filled with gas, soap powder and moth balls with open black powder placed in select locations hooked to a remote detonator so you can light them up when there all inside and watch them burn to hell! As for ammo, you still needs coated rounds, muffler and flash suppressor. Fun watching a group of elite highly trained mutts scrambling for cover only to pick the wrong hiding spot. :albertein Important item, anti-thermal detection jump suits and blankets to cover yourself & weapons as they will be hot. I would never recommend one keeping ones stash in one place this includes ammo, guns, food, meds, gold, silver and other needed stuff. So when you blow up your place and make your retreat you can simply resupply.:aetsch: Mike 90%

Mike 90% | 11-22-2006 08:55 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by Elijah (Post 423136) Mike, I'm really getting to like you. You sound so much like someone from another forum. Or, maybe your not who I think but, just another like minded soul. AKA Wild Trapper :aetsch:
Cheers Elijah :coolbeer: Just another like minded soul. Mike 90%

TheSimpleton | 11-22-2006 10:17 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Perhaps this field all looks the same, but the defensive response to different offronts is very different. Imagine holding off SWAT in LA 2006 vs deterring hungry looters in an inflation vs a long-term tactical 4g invasion like Red Dawn. The entire field is vastly different, in terms of if you can resupply, if you can fall back, if you should or wish to inflict casualties, whether this is a social discussion using intimidaton or a fight for life, how long conditions are expected to last, etc. I cannot imagine mining one's own property under any conditions short of 4g war where it is clearly established that all engagements will be mortal. There is a whole social range involved here. What do your neighbors think? Do they wish to join or do they wish to call the police and take you down? Will the police/Army/Mob conscript you instead? Are you attracting attention to yourself? Are there any children/dogs/neighbors in the area that will be hurt instead? Will a barrel of unstable materials explode in one's own house instead, later to find like Helter Skelter, there was no war at all, but things calmed for another 30 years? If you were in a situation where you mine your own area, you could not set them off properly without constant vigilence, exhausting you and those with you with unproductive waiting. And if it were yes to all the above, then you are in a full-scale war of some sort, which makes your house a target and a liability. Wars have enemies, and now your enemy knows where you are. Notice in Chechnya, they did not heavily fortify department stores or farms to fight the Russians. Neither do they in Serbia, Lebanon, or elsewhere. There are simply better and worse-armed now-semi-underworld enclaves that deal with things like security, food sales, water, supplies, paper, and travel. Were any of them to show strength, they would be targets, so they spar, change, and move constantly with the fluid situation. None of that involves traps, except rare cases, or short-term cases, and either way means you're already in a tactically weak position because you're expecting trouble and you're sitting there waiting for it to hit you on their time and means, not yours. War and insecurity is a horrendous mess. Besides leaving, there are very few things you can take out of it that work. That's why, being aware of the inherent tactical weakness of being where your enemy expects and waiting for him to strike at his leisure, I can only advise leaving so that you will be in the place and time that is best for you, and furthest from any trouble you can realistically expect. --Besides being a more moral thing to do. Perhaps you math majors may wish to add 70x7. So outside of dogs, your landscaping, watching the birds like your geese, and having a shotgun handy like all your neighbors do, I can't see how further damage-creation will work in your favor. Better to spend time strengthening relations with your neighbors and creating more contingency plans and locations. Luckily, the complete collapse of civilizations, Argentina, Russia, Rome, Lebanon, Serbia, required no more than this, although they were not sterling times for anyone, even the Vikings, brigands, Mercenaries and Lords. If it gets worse, to Chechnya, Zimbabwe, Iraq standards, there's nothing you're going to do that's going to help much. You need a taxi, gasoline, and a roll of ounces. Just countering the bunker-mentality that comes up a lot here. Unless you're the National Guard/Homeland Defense Force, their guns are bigger than yours, and if you piss them off, they will make it a mission in life to find you and to hurt anyone who's ever met you. TS "You don't want this much heat" --Ferris Bueller

TheSimpleton | 11-22-2006 10:19 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Panda's offronts seem positively mild compared to the slinging of these later days. If only we could return to that level of offense. TS

gunner | 11-22-2006 10:35 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Actually an attacking force doesn't want this much heat. They want sheep to remain sheep and not to destabilize the moral of their over-zealous attack dogs. When martial law is declared, taxis might not be available and lawlessness will be the norm, better to be prepared, have a plan and be able to execute. Been through a few hurricanes, you'd be amazed at the amount of people filling up their cars the day before or hours before it arrives.

Mike 90% | 11-22-2006 11:50 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike 90% (Post 423076) Great post Rev127 When the Foreign Enemy or Space Aliens invade! :afraid: Inside the structure several 55 gallon drums filled with gas, soap powder and moth balls with open black powder placed in select locations hooked to a remote detonator so you can light them up when there all inside and watch them burn to hell! Mike 90%
If one does not want to blow the house up, flood the floor with water and attach power generator leads to the floor and remote start it; That will give a good jolt; Also as good is a big capacitor bank wired in series, gas can be released inside at the same time as a insurance policy. Mike 90%

gunner | 11-22-2006 12:17 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Pintball landmines - do not fill with gasoline as it is flamable http://i14.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/c4/49/96_1.JPG http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/c4/70/c2_1.JPG

TheSimpleton | 11-22-2006 01:04 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! The Taxis are still running in Iraq. You were looking for a worse situation? TS

cb&julie | 11-22-2006 01:07 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! What about periscopes? Wouldn't they allow you to see over barriers without getting taken about by a sniper?

REV127 | 11-22-2006 03:15 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Well Simpleton, I hear what you're saying but you're missing a few key points. First off, we have to live somewhere. I suppose we could live on the run, completely off the grid, I did that when I was a teenager, but must of us aren't to that point of fear or desperation. Like most people I expect to be able to weather the majority of the unpleasantries that lie in the future and live a reasonably good life so I want a home, a family, all that stuff. That said I understand the same as Mike that space aliens or foreign militaries may invade any moment so I want to be sure I will survive the meeting engagment and inflict maximum dammage on the badguys in the process because I understand evil must be opposed lest it spread freely. A dog and a shotgun are sufficient for a few housebreakers in the night but are really an absolutely bare minimum when taking into consideration multiple opponents, the possibility of vehicles being involved, body armor, etc. I'm not talking about using my small farm as a static base of operations to launch a fullscale war on a horde of enemies with armor, artillery and air support. It could make a suitable stronghold to take on a lesser threat such as a violent gang. Besides, a small farmstead is very unlikely to attract full armor, air support and artillery from even an invading foreign military. More likely it will be visited by a squad or two, maybe a platoon, of light infantry. Handle the immediate threat and fall back. If many homesteads do this the invaders get mauled. It isn't a bunker mentality. It's home security. Some people are comfortable with less but I and many others would prefer a home that was as capable of providing shelter and protection as possible, this is why we live indoors in the first place. Some people are happy with a tract home on a very small lot in the suburbs, buying all their groceries and maybe putting back a year's worth of wheat and powdered milk. That doesn't do it for me, I prefer to have a small farm that can provide a renewable source of all the food I need and even a little cash income. As Gunner said, there is also a deterent factor to be considered here. The Japanese never planned to invade mainland America in WWII famously for their fear of "a rifle behind every blade of grass." This is why our Constitution has a 2nd Ammendment, as a deterent to tyranny. I believe this is even why one of the last commandments Jesus gave was to have a sword. The sword was the most powerful and technologically advanced personal weapon of its day, equivalent to a modern select fire assault rifle. It's a deterent and recourse against evil. CB&J, periscopes can be suprisingly handy. I've played around with a relatively short, collapsible one that basically just let me keep my head behind cover. If you have any blindspots on your property you're worried about you can do better though. Run some PVC pipe underground to the area you're worried about and you can feed pepper spray or flammable liquids to any badguys that might be giving you trouble. In general I would not want a lot of unstable materials sitting around in my house, either. Two tanks of propane should work, they're designed to be safe when stored but can be used to quickly fill an area with an explosive gas if you need a self destruct system. I need to get a new grill to replace my old one I wore out, but I used to keep three or four such tanks around as a matter of course and that was just for cooking. I like Mike's "Old Sparky" idea, too. I'm not about war or death or violence. I outgrew that some years ago. Now I like my wife, my farm and peace. A big kick for me is watching my chickens play in my yard, not daydreaming and killing people. I'd rather be fishing, but if somebody comes here looking for trouble they're going to find more than they can handle.

RickW | 11-22-2006 03:20 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Nice post Rev

Tn...Andy | 11-22-2006 06:34 PM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! "I'm not about war or death or violence. I outgrew that some years ago. Now I like my wife, my farm and peace. A big kick for me is watching my chickens play in my yard, not daydreaming and killing people. I'd rather be fishing, but if somebody comes here looking for trouble they're going to find more than they can handle." Exactly Rev, good post.

Worldmariner | 11-23-2006 12:54 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverRat (Post 419392) :coolbeer: Mike90%: In country two tours... The what,where,how and when details....still classified. De Oppessor Liber :coolbeer:
Gulf 1, 4 months. 11 years total military time. Sold all my guns because they are dangerous and law abiding citizens don't need guns, only the police need guns. Sold all my PMs because fIaT rOoLz! Try survivalmonkey.com. They have some really good scenario based stories that are basically "how to" manuals for the situations mentioned earlier in this post. "Lights out Halifast" is a good one.

Worldmariner | 11-23-2006 01:15 AM
Re: Some of you guys are forgetting something! Quote:
Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 422468) A particular Chechen-held city was under siege by a much superior Russian force. The Chechens would make a fighting retreat during the Russian assualts, at night they would come back and retake their positions. They coordinated their forces by having individual units call in their positions and enemy movement to a command bunker located somewhere deep within the city that plotted all Russian and Chechen movements on a computer. The computer was not networked. Orders were sent with runners rather than by radio. The Russians had a very hard time getting any intel on their enemy because the Chechens realized the Russians were technologically superior so they didn't try to operate as a technological force. They opted out of a game they were sure to lose and thereby put the superior force at a disadvantage. .
Wow... freaky... let me change just two names in your post... A particular Insurgents -held city was under siege by a much superior Coalition force. The Insurgents would make a fighting retreat during the Coalition assualts, at night they would come back and retake their positions. They coordinated their forces by having individual units call in their positions and enemy movement to a command bunker located somewhere deep within the city that plotted all Coalition Forces and Insurgents movements on a computer. The computer was not networked. Orders were sent with runners rather than by radio. The Coalition Forces had a very hard time getting any intel on their enemy because the Insurgents realized the Coalition Forces were technologically superior so they didn't try to operate as a technological force. They opted out of a game they were sure to lose and thereby put the superior force at a disadvantage. or, even another way... A particular Freedom Fighter-held city was under siege by a much superior Coalition force. The Freedom Fighters would make a fighting retreat during the Coalition assualts, at night they would come back and retake their positions. They coordinated their forces by having individual units call in their positions and enemy movement to a command bunker located somewhere deep within the city that plotted all Coalition Forces and Freedom Fighter movements on a computer. The computer was not networked. Orders were sent with runners rather than by radio. The Coalition Forces had a very hard time getting any intel on their enemy because the Freedom Fighters realized the Coalition Forces were technologically superior so they didn't try to operate as a technological force. They opted out of a game they were sure to lose and thereby put the superior force at a disadvantage.

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