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R MacDonald | 04-10-2006 11:10 PM
Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents Just got this one.... http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templa...002&id=0005884 Cabela's Alaknak II http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/conten...005884hz05.jpg VIDEO: http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/conten...alaknak_lg.wmv I'm use to the canvas wall tents, but trying this out for the portability and ease of set-up. I just got the vestibule today, and have to say, the material beats a Wally-World tent hands down (2-3X thicker). I got the 12x12 Tent/Stove special here: http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templa...exId=cat550002

RichG | 04-10-2006 11:20 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents Watched the video....nice. I would want the stove too...:smokin:

Prometheus | 04-10-2006 11:21 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents Thats nice. Very nice. I have a USGI canvas 'hooch' as well as a 3 person (plus storage thingie) ozark tent. I haven't bought any new tents since I got married 5 years ago.

philskov | 04-10-2006 11:26 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents Thanks for the reminder. . . I am so not ready.

Ponce Cuba | 04-10-2006 11:32 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents I have a three man and a one person tent......the one person one is only a little bit larger than a sleeping bag and it is my run like hell tent.....wind proof, water proof and mosquito proof and is all that I need.By the way from Kabalas also as is all my winter clothes, boots and toys .....last year spend $4.350 with them but this year it will be less....already have just about everything that they sell.

WAoG | 04-11-2006 12:05 AM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents I have been boycotting cabelas for a few years. They fired a patriot for a free speech issue. I believe it was on his own time. I used to buy from them every year. I think I'm the only one left boycotting them.

Alric | 04-11-2006 12:15 AM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents I was just wondering, how easy is it to pack back up?

R MacDonald | 04-11-2006 12:16 AM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents Quote:
Originally Posted by WAoG I have been boycotting cabelas for a few years. They fired a patriot for a free speech issue. I believe it was on his own time. I used to buy from them every year. I think I'm the only one left boycotting them.
I know... I was in on that boycott too, and they lost about two years of my business. If you think about it though, ALL corporations in ZOGland are going to pull that crap, from WalMart to Shmuck's Automotive. At this point in the game, just endeavor to care for your family. Besides, nothing wrong with using the opposition to survive the downfall they are preparing. Someone once said, "Use your enemy's hand to catch a snake".

R MacDonald | 04-11-2006 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Alric I was just wondering, how easy is it to pack back up?
Click on the "slideshow" at this link: http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templa...002&hasJS=true Doesn't look that hard.

GoldWampum | 04-11-2006 07:01 AM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents Very cool thanks.

mightyspuds | 04-12-2006 07:29 AM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents A company that doesnt put up with Racists,my kind of company. Spuds:sheep:

R MacDonald | 04-12-2006 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mightyspuds A company that doesnt put up with Racists,my kind of company. Spuds:sheep:
It was never about "racists"... It was about CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED FREE SPEECH on PRIVATE TIME. http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=162 http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=213 http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=254 GET AN EDUCATION COMMIE!

mightyspuds | 04-12-2006 11:03 AM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents Y'all talk a good game about free speech,dont see you whining when they delete advertisements from this site,hmmmm....? Dont see you exactly standing up and putting your money where your mouth is either,buying from this company that violates your 'free speech' rights.Guess walk the walk when you talk the talk doesnt matter either,not if it gets you a cool tent,eh? Cant even talk about a tent without talking your Zionist conspiracy,amazing! 'Commie' Spuds:sheep:

Curtman | 04-12-2006 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mightyspuds Y'all talk a good game about free speech,dont see you whining when they delete advertisements from this site,hmmmm....? Dont see you exactly standing up and putting your money where your mouth is either,buying from this company that violates your 'free speech' rights.Guess walk the walk when you talk the talk doesnt matter either,not if it gets you a cool tent,eh? Cant even talk about a tent without talking your Zionist conspiracy,amazing! 'Commie' Spuds:sheep:
Why aren't you pointing something out that is sound with proof? I mean all you offer up for proof is your opinion. I would be interested in the facts but am not to concerned with finger poining behind a palm. I thought they were a good comapany.

J.D.Rockinfeller | 04-12-2006 11:25 AM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents Spuds....the problem with you trying to take the "high ground" here,is that in order to dismiss "bigotry" you are in the very ACT OF BEING BIGOTED........I .....suppose you think WE are hypocrits??

GoldWampum | 04-12-2006 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by spuds Cant even talk about a tent without talking your Zionist conspiracy,amazing!
um, you brought it up.

R MacDonald | 04-14-2006 02:53 AM
ALAKNAK PICS 7 Attachment(s) Set this thing up the other day. Here's what it looks like with and without the vestibule.

Curtman | 04-14-2006 03:21 AM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents To the windows have clear vinyl? Looks pretty cool, Did they say what the wind rating was?

TheSimpleton | 04-14-2006 08:59 AM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents "Chill, Winston...what's the problem?" Stoves are a good call in tents. Look at the 4-dog titanium: http://www.fourdog.com/page3.html Price at $400 and 8lbs very reasonable. Ti has the conductivity of bronze, and far higher melt temp. A single Ti plate costs $400, much less airtight stove and pipes. TS

electric-amish | 04-14-2006 12:03 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents I have been getting things together for a sudden move if the Muslims ever get it thru again. How large is this tent folded up. Space is a major consideration as is weight for my needs. However I'm not going to be young and handsome for ever and the romance of sleeping on the dirt with a 1/2 inch pad is starting to fad. I'm thinking larger so cots could be used. Thanks E-A

TheSimpleton | 04-14-2006 12:22 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents You just made a mint in silver, why not look at a Kifaru 12-man? www.Kifaru.net. Light and small enough to carry. TS

RichG | 04-14-2006 12:48 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSimpleton You just made a mint in silver, why not look at a Kifaru 12-man? www.Kifaru.net. Light and small enough to carry. TS
How are thier packs and other gear? The packs look nice.:smokin:

Halophyte | 04-14-2006 05:03 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents For about $500 you can build a geodesic dome shelter from 3/4" conduit, bolts and heavy tarps. A 24 foot diameter structure with a 12 1/2 foot ceiling. About 400 sq foot. It will survive winds that will flatten a regular tent. .

R MacDonald | 04-14-2006 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Curtman To the windows have clear vinyl? Looks pretty cool, Did they say what the wind rating was?
Cabela's rates this for "moderate to extreme" conditions. Keep your guy lines tight in heavy winds.

Curtman | 04-14-2006 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Halophyte For about $500 you can build a geodesic dome shelter from 3/4" conduit, bolts and heavy tarps. A 24 foot diameter structure with a 12 1/2 foot ceiling. About 400 sq foot. It will survive winds that will flatten a regular tent. .
This is what I have been searcing for. I wouls also care to have a Yurt plan. Would you be willing to send the plans for the dome or provide a place to obtain them?

R MacDonald | 04-14-2006 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Curtman This is what I have been searcing for. I wouls also care to have a Yurt plan. Would you be willing to send the plans for the dome or provide a place to obtain them?
If you can get one of these made with a stove jack..... http://www.shelter-systems.com/relieftents/ http://www.shelter-systems.com/images/30new.jpg http://www.shelter-systems.com/image...dome-yurts.jpg

R MacDonald | 04-14-2006 06:29 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents Packs up nice too... http://www.shelter-systems.com/relief-tent-30.html http://www.shelter-systems.com/images/30packed.jpeg

Curtman | 04-14-2006 06:33 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents They look pretty cool and they have windows wich id a plus but I am wondering how much of a snow load they would take. Also it seems they want you to buy a truclkoad of them, Can't you buy just one?

wallew | 04-14-2006 06:55 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents With the vinyl rear top set up properly and the front/rear curtains in place, I have a 12 x 7 tent with ALMOST 6 feet of head space. And ONE coleman lantern heats it up quite nicely. It fits a queen sized bed up front with TONS of room left over. Two weekends ago I went on a Boy Scout campout at 9500 ft and it was 10 degrees that night. I put on three light blankets and I was TOASTY WARM. Got up the next morning, pulled out my double burner stove, hooked it to the 40 gal propane tank and had breakfast on the rear tailgate. We served coffee, tea and hot chocolate to all the scouts and then had pancakes for breakfast. When I was done for the day, I threw everything in the rear, dropped the rear curtain and drove it home. VERY GOOD BUG OUT VEHICLE/TENT/ETC... And she runs on diesel, wvo, biodiesel, gas, oil, and almost any other fuel you can think of. All around a great purchase at $3500!!

Curtman | 04-14-2006 07:00 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents What kind of vehicle are we talking about?

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wallew | 04-14-2006 07:04 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents 1963 Kaiser Deuce and a half retired military vehicle 6x6 truck... Mine is an M35A2 with a multifuel D turbo. Here is a link to let you look at someone elses. I have NOT posted many pictures of mine yet. Mine did not come with the winch that is on the front of this one. And you CAN get it with a box on the back that was a shop van. It makes an EXCELLENT RV... http://www.steelsoldiers.com/index.p...images&fid=122

R MacDonald | 04-14-2006 07:19 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents I want an 8 wheel drive HEMTT "Hemmit"... http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/hmett.htm http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ound/hmett.htm http://www.militarytruckonline.com/hemtt.jpg LARGE view: http://www.oshkoshtruckcorporation.c...h_HEMTT_A3.jpg

wallew | 04-15-2006 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by R MacDonald I want an 8 wheel drive HEMTT "Hemmit"... http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/hmett.htm http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ound/hmett.htm LARGE view: http://www.oshkoshtruckcorporation.c...h_HEMTT_A3.jpg
R MacDonald, ME TOO. I LOVE the Hemmt. Which is a COPY of the MAN trucks made in Germany. Which occasionally come up for sale via Government Liquidation or GSA. http://www.militarytrucks.man-mn.com..._SX_series.jsp http://www.4wdonline.com/Man/Man.html http://www.exarmyvehicles.co.uk/8x8.htm The army recently sold three of MAN's to the public via Government Liquidation. They went for $27k EACH. You can't purchase a Hemmt from the military yet, but PARTS are available at military vehicle salvage yards. See the bottom of this post, where I listed a thread about a guy who is building his own. My deuce on the other hand was purchased locally from a guy for $3500. Yeah, you read that right, thirty five hundred dollars. Came with the bed vinyl cover, bows and staves and a ton of other spare parts. He had a couple of other larger trucks and was trying to finish a kitchen and needed the money. But this was right in the ball park of how much you would pay for one from a private seller or from Government Liquidation. OH, and here's one of the guys on Steel Soldiers that decided to make his own 'Baby Hemmt'. This thread will take you to one where I posted all his progress from start to finish. http://www.steelsoldiers.com/index.p...ewtopic&t=5162

Uncle | 04-15-2006 02:52 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents Greetings MacD Doesn't that tent just scream "Rich, bought gold, ** of a bug-out specialist, capitalist bugging-out here" ? Won't mind having one of those on a fishing-trip. Just foresee a problem teaching the wife to pack and unpack the thang. When really fishing in the wild places I use something like this http://www.canvastents.co.za/www.can....za/frame.html Golden Regards Uncle

Halophyte | 04-15-2006 05:05 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents 5 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtman This is what I have been searcing for. I wouls also care to have a Yurt plan. Would you be willing to send the plans for the dome or provide a place to obtain them?
Construction of 16 foot and 24 foot dia conduit framed dome. http://www.weasel.com/dome.html If you want a PDF file of round wooden deck floor plans go to Pacific Dome's web site. They also make cheap greenhouses just cover in plastic or Tyvec. .

Halophyte | 04-15-2006 05:20 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents 4 Attachment(s) Snowloads ? Did anyone say snowloads ?

R MacDonald | 04-15-2006 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Halophyte Snowloads ? Did anyone say snowloads ?
Got a link for the company that makes those? Especially the green military looking one.

Halophyte | 04-15-2006 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by R MacDonald Got a link for the company that makes those? Especially the green military looking one.
Pacific Domes ... I think. Very expensive to buy. The little green one is a 16 footer, 8 1/2 foot center ceiling. You can build one for a lot cheaper. Use heavy silver tarps for the cover. Seperate tarp for the floors. Bug netting is nice too. Get military surplus tent netting and trim to fit for the interior, velcrow to the inside struts. Get a stove jack kit and a tent stove with a cooking surface. I'd use type B gas vent for flue thru the stove jack, its added safety. Reflexit insulation can be added to the interior and taped with box tape to the interior struts for waterproof R7 insulation. Add a portable 20 watt pv panel to charge a car battery, a couple 12 volt flourescent stick lights for interior lighting, maybe a couple large 12 volt muffin fans for cooling. Add a quality gravity water purifier, a hanging sun shower kit and you've got all bases covered without buying petrol. .

TheSimpleton | 04-17-2006 11:32 AM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents Now you're talking! Kifaru packs are built from the toughest cordura known to man. You could fill one with bayonets and broken glass and not think twice. However, there's a problem. One is that makes them heavy. Look at your ultra-light packs at 1 pound vs kifaru at 10 pounds. So you just removed a viable item from your carrying capacity. Second is that you can buy 10 packs for the price of one Kifaru. Like the CFP-90 or generic china packs. Depends on what you need it for. Expensive things are coveted and stolen and remove valuable money from buying goods you actually use. Perhaps going modestly and with useful, disposable goods is a better way? I can say that everyone should get a parahooch though. A flashlight tent with no poles or stakes the size of a soup can and weighing 12oz. No one will recognize what it is or the value but you. It lays low and leaves no trace and can be used as a tarp. Buy two. They're quite right about PVC wigwams. But tarps will be first off the shelf in a Katrina-grade emergency. Buy now and beat the rush! Oh, and Canvas tent suppliers have fiberglass inserts available for the stove pass-through, but you could just leave a smoke hole like in the old days. TS

Halophyte | 04-17-2006 11:51 AM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents 3 Attachment(s) More 16 footer pics ... me likes the 16 footer, 2 frequency dome, very easy to build.

money matters | 04-17-2006 12:07 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents Very cool domes. If you will be in forested area, you could build a structure fairly easily. I am not too thrilled to see such lightweight coverings on the geo-domes shown. Seems like you would want to be located more in and amongst natural cover; this will lead to rips & tears in the outer fabric. Repair kit? More durable "skin" material??? Ever see the fabric around a tent's smokestack hole? The GI Arctic tent I have has numerous pin holes from sparks. It is canvas. Nylon or poly would be worse. Give serious thought to material longevity and sun impact. Ever see what happens to nylon or poly in constant direct sun over a few months of Summer sun? It wears and becomes brittle. Patrick whatsis face who does the Kifaru stuff is selling high-tech, overpriced, lightweight goods to yuppie elk hunters. If you think spending $500 on a tent heater and thousands on a lightweight tent is a "good thing", then you have more money than common sense. Canvas tents, especially the USGI models are rugged and can serve as makeshift housing. An Insulating Snowliner should be purchased for anyone expecting to survive real Winter weather. A wooden floor, also insulated, would make a huge difference in comfort. Aluminum frame GI cots are superb and rugged. One resource for this kind of gear, aside from the dreaded/derided Cabela's; are the horse-packers. A great cook/heat stove is the shepherds stove which is made of sheet steel and folds for "packing". Panniers which Packers use with their strings to carry gear could also work if strapped to an ATV or a bicycle. Tipis, (TeePees) are superb mobile housing systems. There are some great resources to consider from the Re-Enactment suppliers, Buckskinner magazine, Backwoodsman magazine and others. In a pinch, or on the cheap: as long as you have some rope or heavy cord, a couple of decent tarps, and an axe or two; you can make a shelter in about a days time. The main concerns are to stay dry and warm. Wind is a main concern. If you can gather or cut enough sticks or limbs, you can make an emergency dwelling. A couple of cheap poly tarps and some 6 mil plastic can keep the elements off you. Anybody who thinks one of the high-tech domes or other tents will be their longterm "Housing Solution" is fooling themselves. I would buy a good book on Log Home construction and learn a couple of basic notches. Likely, by the time you get a log structure where it is weather tight and habitable, any tent or portable housing you have been using will be done for anyway. The title of this thread is "Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents". Any structure that is located in open pasture or so plainly visible as all the models shown is going to be a beacon to anyone with binoculars for miles around. About the last thing you want, if bugged out, without a community of support and defense, is to attract strangers. What you want, if you are "bugged out" is a place you can hole up; where no one can approach unseen or unheard, and where you hold some high-ground for defense. Being out in a clearing with smokestack going to beat the band is not feasible.

money matters | 04-17-2006 12:31 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents If you are "bugged out", typically that means you have relocated from your home, and likely this won't be to your second or third vacation home. People who have bugged out will have taken their vehicle somewhere. That vehicle is about as comfortable and safe as any tent. Dry, lockable, wind-proof, even bear proof (for the most part). A big camo tarp that you could string over your auto or truck would be a great bug-out tool. Camouflage would be very advantageous, in addition to having more area protected from rain. If you have some basic tools, you can remove seats from a vehicle. You can also use screens in the windows for ventilation. A couple of pieces of plywood could turn an auto without seats into a small cabin. If you have a truck, PVC can be fashioned into a camper frame over the bed. The book Nuclear War Survival Skills by Cresson Kearney is a free download off the Internet. There are many diagrams and examples of how to build makeshift structures by digging a trench or hole and covering with a piece of plywood, or even an exterior door. Poly sheeting and tarps could be that much better. I think anyone who has a backpack mentality for survival is just being silly. Unless you have a stocked cabin waiting for you, and manned by cohorts who are expecting you, you are better off staying with or close to your vehicle and all you could transport in it.

TheSimpleton | 04-17-2006 02:33 PM
Re: Good SHTF Bug-Out Tents If you look up wigwams and tipis you'll see it's all been done before. Tarps are good for the quick assembly, but pretty quick you'd want to move to bark and mats on the wigwam or make a log house and use the tarps elsewhere. You could buy, what, 100 tarps for the price of a kifaru tipi? I was thinking of the hooch for exactly what it was made for. When you're moving light, fast, solo, on foot and don't need to be seen. There's always a place for that, even if it's your safety or last exit gear. I'm curious, vehicles have a problem: the road. How do you keep any vehicle out of sight? If you're on a road, someone will come, and if you cut a road it's a big "This Way" sign. They're too heavy to carry and even if you abandon it, it's a sign you're there. That said, you have the best sense of the harsh reality. If you're a refugee, a pack is nice, but God forbid anyone should get to that point, because at that point you'll be selling your pack and gear to keep them from being stolen by other refugees. You really need to focus on long-term plans and conserving money for more useful, probable things. Better, you can focus on the supply weak points, ammunition and mills being a good example, and make your money go further. That's why I pointed out tarps. They'll be restocked, but in a short-term period can't be got. Building or bugging all presupposes land, which sort of means you already own it and out to be building something more durable already and not depending on either domes or tents. It's good to know and good for folks that show up later. Might be good if you had only the barn or the cellar and needed a house for a season while you work. Better to invest in a well. There's a thing you really need. There's a lot of dependency on gear, but the settlers walked into the frontier with an axe and a gun. (following with a ox-wagon, but you get the idea) Knowledge is better than gear. Tools are better than finished products. You can make the product, but if you have a product, you can't repair it without the tools. One axe and a ball of string can make a whole lot of cabin and a lot else besides. We were talking about a specific use thing, but use your head. I'd rather live in a cabin than a tent and I'd sure rather defend a cabin. Especially in winter. In Alaska. TS

wallew | 04-19-2006 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSimpleton I'm curious, vehicles have a problem: the road. How do you keep any vehicle out of sight? If you're on a road, someone will come, and if you cut a road it's a big "This Way" sign. They're too heavy to carry and even if you abandon it, it's a sign you're there. Better, you can focus on the supply weak points, ammunition and mills being a good example, and make your money go further. That's why I pointed out tarps. They'll be restocked, but in a short-term period can't be got. Building or bugging all presupposes land, which sort of means you already own it and out to be building something more durable already and not depending on either domes or tents. It's good to know and good for folks that show up later. Might be good if you had only the barn or the cellar and needed a house for a season while you work. Better to invest in a well. There's a thing you really need.
First, the vehicle should be used to 'get' to your bug out place. My personal supposition is that regardless of what happens, at some point you will realize 'time to leave'. As you do so, remember to have multiple escape paths chosen. Avoiding any major road should be a given. Having enough fuel to make it to your place without stopping. Stop ONLY because you need to, not because you are looking for fuel. Travel at night. But if you have a good place to go, having the vehicle and the fuel to get there could make a world of difference. And I concur. If you don't have the essentials by now, better stock up NOW. And you should always have lots of spares on hand. But that's just me. Again having a vehicle presumes you have a place setup just for this situation OR like many here have 'people coming', be it the doctor and trama nurse wife or the pilot or green beret or special forces guys or... me and mine. A gunsmith with all my tools. My wife is an excellent cook. And we come 'loaded for bear' as it were. Plenty of food. Water. Weapons, spare parts and ammo. Tools of all sorts, including for gardening. I read what this gent said about the amount of ammo. If you are carrying a semi auto weapon and can't feed it at least 1000 rounds before starting to scrounge others ammo, you will be in trouble quickly. The Makarov isn't that bad a choice. As long as you have the spare parts AND ammo to feed it as well. I have a CZ52 as my semiauto pistol. Thirty cal bullet that goes right through autos. Tested in 'the sandbox'. Carried by everybody BUT our guys. And it WILL put it's rounds right through an automobile, regardless of what kind. Again, 'tested in the sandbox'. Again, to me one thousand rounds per pistol or rifle you own is absolutely bare minimum. I don't care if it's a .22 cal or a 560 Nitro Express or a .338 Lapua. Better stock up NOW cause when IT happens it will be too late to 'stock up'.

R MacDonald | 04-20-2006 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TheSimpleton You just made a mint in silver, why not look at a Kifaru 12-man? www.Kifaru.net. Light and small enough to carry. TS
Cool!!! :coolbeer:

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