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Alric | 04-18-2006 05:28 AM
The big guns I was wondering what people here thought of the big weapons, incase the TSHTF. Not something to use if some criminal breaks in or some pot head tries to rob you on he street, but if the government come to round you up to take you some where or they try to break in to steal your gold. Not that I really buy into that stuff but you never know, maybe mexico will send tanks instead of immigrants over the border one day. Just wondering if anyone has any weapons incase of serious SHTF situations. I hope it never gets that bad though.

Infidel | 04-18-2006 05:44 AM
Re: The big guns Please go to sleep. this is borderline retarded. who in their right mind would confront a tank with a "big gun". Are you asking about howitzers? store your shite where none will touch it. go to http://www.tcftalk.com/clairefiles/ and learn about "The Mole" and "The Ghost"

Tn...Andy | 04-18-2006 05:51 AM
Re: The big guns I have a cannon......piece of 3" schedule 80 pipe with one end capped and a flash hole drilled in that end. You turn on the acetelyne hose from a torch set, let the heavier gas fill the tilted pipe, drop a potato of about the same ID of the pipe down the tube and light the flash hole......WHOOMP.....you can fling a potato a couple hundred yards ! Got a whole crop of new 'ammo' planted right now......sure hope nobody attacks me before fall. Caution: this may or may not meet current BATF approval.

Curtman | 04-18-2006 06:04 AM
Re: The big guns Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy I have a cannon......piece of 3" schedule 80 pipe with one end capped and a flash hole drilled in that end. You turn on the acetelyne hose from a torch set, let the heavier gas fill the tilted pipe, drop a potato of about the same ID of the pipe down the tube and light the flash hole......WHOOMP.....you can fling a potato a couple hundred yards ! Got a whole crop of new 'ammo' planted right now......sure hope nobody attacks me before fall. Caution: this may or may not meet current BATF approval.
You can also use hairspray WD-40 Brake Clean Starting Fluid or any number of things and save your cutting gas for better use. It is getting spendy around here.

Alric | 04-18-2006 02:15 PM
Re: The big guns Actually I meant anything other than a rifle, shotgun or pistol. And I didn't really mean fighting tanks but it could be someone wearing a lot of body armor.

Book | 04-18-2006 02:20 PM
Re: The big guns Quote:
but if the government come -Alric
Start talking about using "big guns" against the Government of the United States of America on GIM and there will be a knock at the door. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...rrests+militia Trying to get GIM shut down??? :wavey:

Alric | 04-18-2006 02:29 PM
Re: The big guns I never said the US government. Maybe we will all be speaking chinese by then.

Alric | 04-18-2006 02:34 PM
Re: The big guns By the way I don't mean anything illegal.

Book | 04-18-2006 02:42 PM
Re: The big guns Quote:
By the way I don't mean anything illegal. -Alric
Be sure to read that Google link to know the difference. Otherwise, you might be reading Jekyll Island behind bars... :smile:

hoarder | 04-18-2006 02:46 PM
Re: The big guns Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric I never said the US government. Maybe we will all be speaking chinese by then.
When the Chinese invade us our rulers will be telling us they are our "allies", they are "peacekeepers" protecting us from "domestic terrorists" (us).

Alric | 04-18-2006 02:47 PM
Re: The big guns I think your allowed to have almost anything if you register it the right way.

Large Sarge | 04-18-2006 02:56 PM
Re: The big guns Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric I think your allowed to have almost anything if you register it the right way.
not any weapon, you cannot even have full automatic on assault rifles. you cannot have a grenade launcher, missile launcher, anti-tank weapons. can have Modified assualt rifles (no-auto), shotguns, pistols, long range rifles, pellet guns, B.B. guns I think thats about all, am I missing anything fellows?

sarkaufagus | 04-18-2006 03:32 PM
Re: The big guns Yes, you are missing the 50 BMG. Still legal for purchase in TX if you can afford parting with 7K for a decent repeater. Will not take out a tank, but is considered anti vehicle, not anti personell. But will definitely make swiss cheese out of anyone with body armor.

REV127 | 04-18-2006 05:12 PM
Re: The big guns Yes, you can have full auto, anti-tank rifles, grenade launchers, mortars, handgrenades and sticks of dinamite. You can even make some of this stuff yourself with proper approval. However, we are talking heavy regulation and lots of money. It is for rich guys, or chumps, especially full auto since you can bumpfire more semi-autos(shhh! don't tell anybody!) That said, my retreat will be defended by blackpowder muzzleloading mortars and cannon, as well as more primitive and silent options like trebucets and ballistas. They aren't for fighting modern armies, that's what accurate rifles with long legs are for. The artillery is to have de facto tactical overmatch against paramilitary forces, mobs, and other collections of idiots who aren't outfitted with modern artillery and air support. These weapons are real threats to light vehicles, appropriately deployed. By the way, that primitive artillery is totally legal and completely non-regulated. You can get a 2lbs-er cannon that you could move by yourself and put in your trunk. A good cannon team from a reenactment group would be most welcome on my land any day. Even if it isn't the apocolypse it's still a lot of fun! :clap2:

wallew | 04-18-2006 05:17 PM
Re: The big guns Quote:
Originally Posted by Large Sarge not any weapon, you cannot even have full automatic on assault rifles. you cannot have a grenade launcher, missile launcher, anti-tank weapons. can have Modified assualt rifles (no-auto), shotguns, pistols, long range rifles, pellet guns, B.B. guns I think thats about all, am I missing anything fellows?
LS, Maybe where you live, but in LOTS of counties people can and DO own all of the above, well maybe NOT missle launcher but only because I can't say one way or the other. But all you basically need is a county Sheriff willing to sign the necessary paper work for ATF to get your LEGAL class three weapon. I can't remember which class artillery falls under, but it CAN and is being legally owned by lots of people. All of these weapons owners gather in different places to shoot em up. This past weekend here in Colorado, there was a machine gun shoot. Two days of shooting fifty cal, several people looked to be bringing civil war style mortars, and lots of personal weapons. Google 'Knob Creek' who has two spectacular shoots every year. One in the spring, the other in the fall. Plus their gun show is superb from what I've been told. All this says you have to live in the correct county, but other than that??? Rev127 - you beat me too it. I'm gest too slow...

Large Sarge | 04-18-2006 05:50 PM
Re: The big guns interesting info, Thanks Wallew & Rev127 I thought most of the firearm laws were federal (I was aware of explosive laws being lenient, farmers blowing stumps, mining work, etc) but I thought the big boys for firearms were already under federal law. (hunting & home defense exempt) Thanks for the info, I guess I need to double check, not doubting you, it just seems little far fetched that uncle sam would be ok with Joe Six pack owning an M203 Grenade launcher, and a LAWs rocket

sarkaufagus | 04-18-2006 06:05 PM
Re: The big guns Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric I think your allowed to have almost anything if you register it the right way.
Registration is the first step to confiscation.

Patriot-Act | 04-18-2006 06:33 PM
Re: The big guns Quote:
Originally Posted by sarkaufagus Registration is the first step to confiscation.
They let you out early this week?

melbo | 04-18-2006 06:49 PM
Re: The big guns Lots of my Friends have FA and Other stuff. $200 NFA tax stamp and a 3- 6 month background check. I have Suppressors that are fully legal and registered. You can Have a Grenade Launcher as well. Around $3000 + the $200 Tax. THen another $200 tax for each Grenade you purchase Check out the Classifieds at http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/ Civilian Transferables must have been made prior to 1986. An M16 will run you around $12 to 18K and going up each yr. A Sten or a Mac is going for $3200. they were still $800 in '99 Not as good an investment as Ag, but a fun one the same. Here's another good link: http://www.impactsites2000.com/site3/NFA%20Laws.htm and here you can check your State. Michigan just went Class III too ;) http://www.mp5.net/info/sbsconr.htm

Book | 04-18-2006 06:52 PM
Re: The big guns Quote:
Lots of my Friends have FA and Other stuff. $200 NFA tax stamp and a 3- 6 month background check. -melbo
When it is time for Confiscation you sure will be easy to locate. :afraid:

melbo | 04-18-2006 06:54 PM
Re: The big guns Little tough to hide if you are an FFL huh?

Ponce Cuba | 04-18-2006 06:58 PM
Re: The big guns You people must learn to think outside the circle when thinking of weapons, a deadly weapon does not have to be a firearm and it does not have to look like a weapon.....at one one my car was searched for a certain item and all the time that the cop was looking for it the Sgt who was talking to me had his right hand on it. I have the means (invention of mine) to set a tank or car on fire from fifty to seventy five yards away with out a rocket launcher, and is not a flame thrower.

Book | 04-18-2006 07:01 PM
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Little tough to hide if you are an FFL huh? -melbo
Will be sending a special squadcar just to get the business records of all the law-abiding Patriotic customers when WTSHTF. :D

Alric | 04-18-2006 07:02 PM
Re: The big guns I don't think they "want" to allow people to have them. Luckly it doesn't really matter what they want. When they come to confiscate your stuff atleast you already own it though. I am not really sure anyone wants to try to confiscate though. The second they go around collecting all weapons from the public, someone is going to get shot. Even collecting pistols and stuff would be dangerous. Now imagine you have to go get some guys machine gun and rocket launcher. Now I normally totally against shooting people but if they decided people no longer have rights under the law and they break into your house, I wouldn't blame someone for defending themself.

Prometheus | 04-18-2006 08:09 PM
Re: The big guns There are quite a few registered 'big guns' like 20mm's and even bigger. I can't help but think of how many WW2 bring back 20mm lathi's and slothruns (not to mention those imported before the NFA act) that have never been registered. I also wonder how many kids of the old timers have sold them off as 'non-firing relics' without realizing they had the real deal. Silly little ignorant pissant babyboomer jackasses.

Worldmariner | 04-19-2006 07:02 PM
Re: The big guns Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric Actually I meant anything other than a rifle, shotgun or pistol. And I didn't really mean fighting tanks but it could be someone wearing a lot of body armor.
Oh FFS, dude, unless you are a light brigade with organic weapons, you dont fight tanks with guns, ya use mines. Think "Afghan Freedom Fighter, 1982". I am guessing thoust are not a veteran? Ya dont defeat body armor or helicopters with guns, you defeat them with ammunition. Some form of 30 cal rifle round with a steel carbide pin in it. It is called, not surprisingly, amor piercing ammunition. Glock or HK now has a TINY handgun caliber designed specifically to fire AP ammo. Often AP ammo has black paint on the ogive of the projectile. STeel pin flechette rounds from a shotgun at close range sometimes will defeat Body Armor. GASOLINE defeats body armor VERY well. So does propane gas. Think fuel/air weapons. ANYTHING swimming around in a turbine engine like misplaced sperm in a utereus will make the turbine... well, take itself apart... Turbines are very sensitive to things like sand and rocks if introduced into the compressor section of the turbine. That's why helos have a "bird catcher" on the intake of the turbine. But if the object were introduced through the side of the turbine into the compressor section of the turbine, then the turbine would disassemble itself. Dramtically. At the end of the day, if you are worried about someone in body armor attacking you, you might beat them fairly easily. If they have friends, like, say, in company or brigade strength, then you are probably tangling with the wrong group of people. If they are organized militia, like, say, the 1st of the 9th, then for sure you will be losing the confrontation, IMHO. Think "evasion". Use Google to find interesting articles. Hope this all helps. :)

Au_Ag | 04-19-2006 07:12 PM
Re: The big guns Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric I was wondering what people here thought of the big weapons
If it gets that bad it will be tiime to go. You wanna play Afghan guerilla fighter? Go for it. I'll be hidden up in the hills or long gone to a sane place.

Worldmariner | 04-19-2006 07:14 PM
Re: The big guns Quote:
Originally Posted by Book Will be sending a special squadcar just to get the business records of all the law-abiding Patriotic customers when WTSHTF. :D
Ya know, I have never really wanted FA weapons or rockets, although I may have used both if I was in the military. Just too much hassle to have that around. Plus the moral responsibility of having to keep them from being stolen or lost. I have considered buying a high quality drill press and lathe though. Maybe a book or two. :)

Worldmariner | 04-19-2006 07:20 PM
Re: The big guns Quote:
Originally Posted by Au_Ag If it gets that bad it will be tiime to go. You wanna play Afghan guerilla fighter? Go for it. I'll be hidden up in the hills or long gone to a sane place.
That makes two of us. The nice thing about being over 40 is that you still have the gumption and energy to fight back, but a man or woman is now smart enough just to avoid the whole thing! *laugh* Yup, I will be long gone too!!!!!!! Set up shop in some other place and become a local hero by brewing the best beer around. :)

Alric | 04-19-2006 07:29 PM
Re: The big guns That is a very good point. If you can't stop them with armor piercing ammo in a pistol or rifle it might be time to run away. I never planned on getting any of that stuff though. I don't even have a place I would feel comfortable storing it. I was just wondering what others thought of them. The one thing I have thought of, was getting a silencer. Its not even a weapon but it falls under the same laws as the big stuff. Reason for that is mostly because I don't want to go deaf shooting a gun inside my house heh.

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Au_Ag | 04-19-2006 08:11 PM
Re: The big guns Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric The one thing I have thought of, was getting a silencer. Its not even a weapon but it falls under the same laws as the big stuff. .
Actually, I think that is a smart move - One (both?) of the guys from Argentina that made posts ( in another forum, linked here) about surviving in Argentina expressed that as an excellent item to have. $200 transfer tax is nothing today compared to when the law was written so having a suppressor legally is available to many people. I would think that the most important use would be in a vehicle - Something I would like to get around to after I get enough PM in the stash. You could probably get by pretty good or even really good with "noise canceling" amplified headphones that shooters wear - muffs with amplifiers that shut down on gunfire but will actually amplify regular noises slightly . I used to wear some as a competitor but those were early generations of them - didn't last too long, and I went back to muffs over plugs

Book | 04-19-2006 09:03 PM
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The one thing I have thought of, was getting a silencer. Its not even a weapon but it falls under the same laws as the big stuff. Reason for that is mostly because I don't want to go deaf shooting a gun inside my house heh. -Alric
Gee...why do you think Worldmariner might want a drill-press and lathe ? Attachment 13572

mightyspuds | 04-20-2006 12:43 AM
Re: The big guns If you've ever been on a live firing line of 50 cal guns,I can tell you this.They will ruin your day. So will a helicopter or Warthog. You aint Rambo. Spuds:sheep:

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