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Vendico | 12-20-2008 05:00 PM
Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage http://providentliving.org/pfw/multi...ons_v4_pdf.pdf Quote:
Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Plastic buckets may be used to store food commodities that are dry (about 10 percent moisture or less) and low in oil content. Only buckets made of food-grade plastic with gaskets in the lid seals should be used. Buckets that have held nonfood items should not be used. To prevent insect infestation, dry ice (frozen carbon dioxide) should be used to treat grains and dry beans stored in plastic buckets. Treatment methods that depend on the absence of oxygen to kill insects, such as oxygen absorbers or nitrogen gas flushing, are not effective in plastic buckets. Avoid exposing food to humid, damp conditions when packaging them. Dry Ice Treatment Instructions 1. Use approximately one ounce of dry ice per gallon (7 grams per liter) capacity of the container. Do not use dry ice in metal containers of any kind or size because of the potential for inadequate seals or excessive buildup of pressure. 2. Wear gloves when handling dry ice. 3. Wipe frost crystals from the dry ice, using a clean dry towel. 4. Place the dry ice in the center of the container bottom. 5. Pour the grain or dry beans on top of the dry ice. Fill the bucket to within one inch (25 mm) of the top. 6. Place the lid on top of the container and snap it down only about halfway around the container. The partially sealed lid will allow the carbon dioxide gas to escape from the bucket as the dry ice sublimates (changes from a solid to a gas). 7. Allow the dry ice to sublimate completely before sealing the bucket. Feel the bottom of the container to see if the dry ice is all gone. If the bottom of the container is very cold, dry ice is still present. 8. Monitor the bucket for a few minutes after sealing the lid. If the bucket or lid bulges, slightly lift the edge of the lid to relieve pressure. 9. It is normal for the lid of the bucket to pull down slightly as a result of the partial vacuum caused when carbon dioxide is absorbed into the product. Storage of Plastic Buckets � Store plastic buckets off the floor by at least � inch (1.3 cm) to allow air to circulate under the bucket. � Do not stack plastic buckets over three high. If buckets are stacked, check them periodically to ensure that the lids have not broken from the weight.

ImaCannin | 12-21-2008 10:56 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage These are some kick butt plastic pails. I got a boat load back in the Y2K days and still have them! M & M Industries. http://www.ultimatepail.com/product_info/features.htm http://www.ultimatepail.com/catalog/...elatchnew1.jpg

Saul Mine | 12-22-2008 03:07 AM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage It hardly makes sense to pay for food grade buckets when you have to use mylar bags anyway. That's because rats and mice can smell food through the buckets and will chew through them to get the food. (They can't smell through food grade mylar bags.) You can get general purpose plastic storage containers for about the same price and they will be much more useful after the food has been used. For example, Home Depot sells stackable plastic storage boxes with fold-lock lids for $8 apiece. They are about twice the capacity of a five gallon bucket.

StrawMan=Corporation | 12-23-2008 11:19 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Do the storage boxes you mention seal like the buckets listed above or like the Gamma Seals shown at the link below? Thanks for the info one cannot have enough of that. https://www.usaemergencysupply.com/e...a_seal_lid.htm https://www.usaemergencysupply.com/i..._seal_lids.jpg Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Mine (Post 1477341) It hardly makes sense to pay for food grade buckets when you have to use mylar bags anyway. That's because rats and mice can smell food through the buckets and will chew through them to get the food. (They can't smell through food grade mylar bags.) You can get general purpose plastic storage containers for about the same price and they will be much more useful after the food has been used. For example, Home Depot sells stackable plastic storage boxes with fold-lock lids for $8 apiece. They are about twice the capacity of a five gallon bucket.

Saul Mine | 12-24-2008 07:48 AM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by StrawMan=Corporation (Post 1480091) Do the storage boxes you mention seal like the buckets listed above or like the Gamma Seals shown at the link below? Thanks for the info one cannot have enough of that. https://www.usaemergencysupply.com/e...a_seal_lid.htm https://www.usaemergencysupply.com/i..._seal_lids.jpg
There are any number of different kinds available. The ones at Home Depot have fold-lock lids but don't seal. I use them for storing rotary saws, hammers, and stuff like that. I think they are about 15 gallon size, and I have seen smaller ones too. Drug stores carry sweater storage boxes that keep out dust but don't seal air tight. Look around and see if you find something you like.

StrawMan=Corporation | 01-02-2009 08:53 PM
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Minimus | 01-02-2009 09:27 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage - BAD NEWS GUYS I just got done relocating a few hundred pounds of grains (rice, beans, oats) to my new home away from zoombies. I packed these food grade buckets a few years ago, this is the results; Rice; full of weevils, total loss Oats; full of weevils, total loss Beans, (red, pinto, kidney, white northern, dried peas) haven't checked yet but it doesn't look good considering the condition of the other grains. THIS IS THE PROBLEM - Weevils are ALREADY in the grains, they must be killed BEFORE you pack them with dry ice, nitrogen or whatever inert gas. FREEZING for several days prior to packing kills the weevil larva. BAKING in 150 deg oven for a couple hours also kills the lava. I did not do that and am now paying the price. Looks like the local deer and squirrels are going to get a big holiday meal .... Be advised. My new approach will be to use mason jars instead, sealed and frozen to -10 below or cooked to 150 - I'll kill the little bastards before they hatch. Easier to use and rotate stock dried goods this way too. I'm going to put a stop to this bull$hit.

Ralleia | 01-02-2009 09:43 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Minimus-- Just for everyone's education, were they packed with O2 absorbers in sealed mylar bags? And where were the grains stored (basement, other) that would give a hint to the temperatures there? Thank you for sharing your experience.

RealityCheck | 01-02-2009 09:44 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by Minimus (Post 1492420) Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage - BAD NEWS GUYS I just got done relocating a few hundred pounds of grains (rice, beans, oats) to my new home away from zoombies. I packed these food grade buckets a few years ago, this is the results; Rice; full of weevils, total loss Oats; full of weevils, total loss Beans, (red, pinto, kidney, white northern, dried peas) haven't checked yet but it doesn't look good considering the condition of the other grains. THIS IS THE PROBLEM - Weevils are ALREADY in the grains, they must be killed BEFORE you pack them with dry ice, nitrogen or whatever inert gas. FREEZING for several days prior to packing kills the weevil larva. BAKING in 150 deg oven for a couple hours also kills the lava. I did not do that and am now paying the price. Looks like the local deer and squirrels are going to get a big holiday meal .... Be advised.
Sounds like your buckets were not oxygen free. Did you use a mylar liner? Oxygen can absorb through plastic buckets over time, and if the levels get high enough some bugs can thrive. Use mylar and sufficient O2 absorbers and they wont be able to hatch since mylar keeps the oxygen out better then plastic.

Minimus | 01-02-2009 10:29 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Its only fair to say I did use mylar bags and CO2 but no OX absorbers. Mylar bags and CO2 simply does not equal the process of nitrogen packed sealed cans (and that's what the commercial outfits do). Mylar still leaks the inert gas over time unlike a metal can. OX absorbers work but do have a limited active life. That's why I'm going to the sealed mason jar method, it allows me to gas seal the contents and FREEZE/COOK it after packing to sterilized the grains and kill the larva. Remember, we must assume the grains are already infected with the weevil !

RealityCheck | 01-02-2009 11:18 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by Minimus (Post 1492502) Its only fair to say I did use mylar bags and CO2 but no OX absorbers. Mylar bags and CO2 simply does not equal the process of nitrogen packed sealed cans (and that's what the commercial outfits do). Mylar still leaks the inert gas over time unlike a metal can. OX absorbers work but do have a limited active life. That's why I'm going to the sealed mason jar method, it allows me to gas seal the contents and FREEZE/COOK it after packing to sterilized the grains and kill the larva. Remember, we must assume the grains are already infected with the weevil !
Your experience is unusual especially considering you used CO2 as your oxygen displacer. CO2 is a fumigant and will kill any insects in a few days at concentrations above 99%. Even at concentrations of say 50% no bugs can surive more then a few months from the studies i've read. If your buckets were air tight then they should have been sterile of insects even if you only had moderately high levels of CO2 in them. I wouldn't heat your grains since you will likely comprimise their shelf life and make them unviable as seed.

StrawMan=Corporation | 01-02-2009 11:42 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage I did plan to purchase a Nitrogen cylinder to displace the air in the storage container. With this revelation it looks like it will be sooner than later. NBD I have a good source and with the large 20 gallon containers It will be a very large cylinder.

Minimus | 01-02-2009 11:46 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by RealityCheck (Post 1492564) I wouldn't heat your grains since you will likely comprimise their shelf life and make them unviable as seed.
Dried grains have already been "heated" at the mill to extend shelf life, I don't think feed/milled grains are for planting. Three years was a long time without re gassing the contents ... If I did it over again (plastic buckets) I would purge the contents annually.

Squirrel Bait | 01-02-2009 11:52 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by Minimus (Post 1492502) Its only fair to say I did use mylar bags and CO2 but no OX absorbers. Mylar bags and CO2 simply does not equal the process of nitrogen packed sealed cans (and that's what the commercial outfits do). Mylar still leaks the inert gas over time unlike a metal can. OX absorbers work but do have a limited active life. That's why I'm going to the sealed mason jar method, it allows me to gas seal the contents and FREEZE/COOK it after packing to sterilized the grains and kill the larva. Remember, we must assume the grains are already infected with the weevil !
Granted it's really hard to beat a steel can, but CO2 has advantages that N2 does not. Both are very good though. s

StrawMan=Corporation | 01-03-2009 12:37 AM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Continue.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 1492599) Granted it's really hard to beat a steel can, but CO2 has advantages that N2 does not. Both are very good though. s

Squirrel Bait | 01-03-2009 01:00 AM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by StrawMan=Corporation (Post 1492635) Continue....
OK, I think I get it. CO2 is heavier than air. So if you put a chunk of dry ice into a bucket of grain and lightly set the lid on top, as the dry ice sublimates it will drop to the bottom of the bucket and push the lighter air(N2 and O2) out. When it's done you can seal up the bag/bucket. Actually thats when I throw a couple O2 absorbers in. This is the Old fashioned way of doing it. It's more work than using a cylinder of Nitrogen or CO2. Also in an enclosed area the CO2 can be a problem. But that's the short answer. s

StrawMan=Corporation | 01-03-2009 01:09 AM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Thanks for that, I was thinking along the same lines but, Would rather use CO2 Gas than Dry Ice more control and hopefully conservation of your gas. Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 1492661) OK, I think I get it. CO2 is heavier than air. So if you put a chunk of dry ice into a bucket of grain and lightly set the lid on top, as the dry ice sublimates it will drop to the bottom of the bucket and push the lighter air(N2 and O2) out. When it's done you can seal up the bag/bucket. Actually thats when I throw a couple O2 absorbers in. This is the Old fashioned way of doing it. It's more work than using a cylinder of Nitrogen or CO2. Also in an enclosed area the CO2 can be a problem. But that's the short answer. s

Squirrel Bait | 01-03-2009 12:03 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by StrawMan=Corporation (Post 1492673) Thanks for that, I was thinking along the same lines but, Would rather use CO2 Gas than Dry Ice more control and hopefully conversation of your gas.
Yeah, I completely understand. Dry ice is something you can't do on a daily basis. Last time I did some buckets I ended up doing 25. I used 10 lbs of dry ice. If you do it this way it is cheaper than buying a CO2 bottle. But it is not as convenient. I do think it does a better job though as it is slow and I think you get more of the air pushed out(IMO only-ie no data on this) If you are conscientious either way should work well. I've never used a cylinder of gas before but I would think if you used a tube to put the gas into the bottom of the bucket you would achieve the same thing although much quicker. It might be beneficial to do it twice 30 minutes apart to let the CO2 settle in the bottem of the bucket and push the air completely out. Throw in a couple of O2 absorbers in the top to take care of any residual air and seal it up. s

Pat | 01-03-2009 05:17 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by Minimus (Post 1492597) Dried grains have already been "heated" at the mill to extend shelf life, I don't think feed/milled grains are for planting. Three years was a long time without re gassing the contents ... If I did it over again (plastic buckets) I would purge the contents annually.
I've had weevils in my grain buckets too but interesting enough, I just used plain old food grade buckets, no bags or oxy-absorbers, just dry ice. I've had mine packed for four years and only lost about 1/4 of my stock to weevils, mostly rice bugs. I think if I gassed up my buckets every year I wouldn't have any problems at all.

RealityCheck | 01-03-2009 06:28 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage I think if you guys are having insect infestations after using CO2 then your not getting a high enough level of CO2 in your buckets. It needs to be nearly 99% oxygen free to ensure maximum shelf life, where as it only takes about a 35% CO2 concentration to kill all insect life in the grain in less then a month. If you removed anywhere near the amount of O2 needed to extend its shelf life, the insects would have all been killed by the concentration of CO2 present long before any oxygen diffused back into the bucket.

Squirrel Bait | 01-03-2009 07:44 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat (Post 1493421) I've had weevils in my grain buckets too but interesting enough, I just used plain old food grade buckets, no bags or oxy-absorbers, just dry ice. I've had mine packed for four years and only lost about 1/4 of my stock to weevils, mostly rice bugs. I think if I gassed up my buckets every year I wouldn't have any problems at all.
What kind of lids did you use. They did have the rubber seal right? And I think you mentioned mylar bags earlier, is that right? I have never heard of so much wevil infestation. If you are able to figure out what happened please let us know. Nothing as bad as spoiled food preps, especially if it's when you need them. s

Pat | 01-04-2009 11:48 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 1493675) What kind of lids did you use. They did have the rubber seal right? And I think you mentioned mylar bags earlier, is that right? I have never heard of so much wevil infestation. If you are able to figure out what happened please let us know. Nothing as bad as spoiled food preps, especially if it's when you need them. s
Checking the lids proved to be the weakest link in my storage issues. Looks like the loose lids on #2 food grade buckets was the way in for the bugs for the oats, they were concentrated at the rim. The rice, it seems my loss was my shear stupidity, I got in a hurry and did not gas them, I know this because I didn't even unwrap the contents from the bags, just packed them in the buckets ... duh. The weevils showed up inside the bags ... this makes me agree with minimus that weevils are already in the grains as a common parasite and hatch afterwards. Other reputable sourcesI found on the web also confirm this. So now I'm repacking the good rice and gassing it up with dry ice like I did the oats and sealing the lids with those big o-rings. I'm still going to leave out the mylar bags, I still think its not really needed as long as a good seal and CO2 used. I would still check the contents and gass it once a year. Can't hurt.

LowDow | 01-05-2009 03:47 AM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage I imagine it is possible to either not use enough oxy absorbers or use old ones. Also practice sealing some bags without food in them and check to see if your sealing technique is sound.NO WRINKLES on seam! If you use the proper mylar bags and sufficient oxy absorbers and seal properly they should last for 20 years. Nothing can live in there under those conditions. If there are bugs living in there it follows there was oxy in there. So not removed in the first place or seal was bad. Adjust you procedures. I've cut open bags and resealed because I wasn't 100% sure of the seal..it sucks but better that way. http://www.sorbentsystems.com/order_O2.html

StrawMan=Corporation | 01-26-2009 06:49 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage I found another possible source for the square food storage containers with screw on lids. I made contact with the place I quoted below and first it was fine and I was about to purchase 4 of those 20 Gallon containers. Then after the sales person had all of my information she tacked on a handling fee that made each container amount to 100 each, That would have been double what the company's website listed as the cost of the items. I said screw it I wont pay 400.00 for 4 20 gallon FSC's. (Food Storage Container) I have been doing a web search off and on since then. Does anyone else have an interest in purchasing some of this style of FSC ? http://www.bereadyinc.com/DISPSRCH.ASP?ALL=Y Quote:
Originally Posted by StrawMan=Corporation (Post 1492368) I found these storage containers recently. Just what I had been looking for, I could see getting a whole bag of rice or beans into one of these. I realise that they are more expensive than the std 5 gallon buckets but think of the convenience. You would no longer have to have 6 buckets of the same product. 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mayhem | 01-26-2009 07:07 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage A 20 gallon container full of rice will probably weigh 120 pounds. Dat's kinda heavy...

StrawMan=Corporation | 01-26-2009 07:13 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage According to the places I have found that sell the FSC's they will hold 50 lbs of rice and or other types of foods with the same space density. Flour would be heavier as it would take up more of the space in the container but if a 50 LB bag of rice fills up the container then how could it weigh 120 lbs ? Quote:
Originally Posted by mayhem (Post 1532983) A 20 gallon container full of rice will probably weigh 120 pounds. Dat's kinda heavy...
More sources of the 15-20 gallon square LTFSC's.. http://www.bereadyinc.com/DISPSRCH.ASP?ALL=Y http://www.nextag.com/gamma-plastic/search-html http://www.dealtime.com/xPO-Vittles-...14-X-14-X-20-h

Zilver | 01-26-2009 07:37 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Here is a thought I have a bunch of approx. 10 foot long sections of large PVC pipe (approx. 12" dia) that I thought could be made into excellent storage containers. They could be cut to any length you desired Simply glue a cap on one end and a threaded cap onto the other. These pipes and fittings are water tight and could take a lot of pressure/or vacuum The screw cap end could be drilled, and fitted with a tire valve inserted up side down thus giving the container a "vacuum port" to remove all of the air inside. To make this container even better, a gauge could be added to a drilled and taped hole to monitor and check the vacuum inside. This should be rather easy to do, what do you guy's think?

mayhem | 01-26-2009 07:53 PM
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maximumrebel1 | 01-26-2009 09:04 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilver (Post 1533054) Here is a thought I have a bunch of approx. 10 foot long sections of large PVC pipe (approx. 12" dia) that I thought could be made into excellent storage containers. They could be cut to any length you desired Simply glue a cap on one end and a threaded cap onto the other. These pipes and fittings are water tight and could take a lot of pressure/or vacuum The screw cap end could be drilled, and fitted with a tire valve inserted up side down thus giving the container a "vacuum port" to remove all of the air inside. To make this container even better, a gauge could be added to a drilled and taped hole to monitor and check the vacuum inside. This should be rather easy to do, what do you guy's think?
Sounds like a good idea, how much would a 12" cap cost though? Also how coul you re seal it once you opened it? Just keep gluing it?

maximumrebel1 | 01-26-2009 09:05 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by mayhem (Post 1533084) There are many good videos over at this link that go through the packing of buckets. One of them shows you the difference between using dry ice and ox absorbers.
The link didn't work for me.

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Goldeneye | 01-26-2009 09:12 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage These are two excellent videos' explains some of the myths and facts on longer term food storage. You Tube
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SLV>GLD | 01-26-2009 09:25 PM
Re: Plastic Buckets for Longer-Term Food Storage LDS did a big study on this and determined that O2 absorbers, if correctly employed, will prevent infestation. Correctly employed means that O2 infiltration is prevented.

mayhem | 01-26-2009 09:29 PM
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