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Twisted Avatar | 04-21-2009 08:11 PM
Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Bicycles for Emergency Transportation, by Grandpappy Unlike horses and other farm animals, bicycles do not require any food, or water, or pasture, or daily care. They also don�t generate any garden manure and that could be either a plus or a minus depending on your situation. And a bicycle is ready to go the instant you need it, even if an EMP blast disables other modes of transportation. A bicycle can be stored for decades with just a little oil on its chain and on its other moving parts. In the event of a serious worldwide catastrophe, a bicycle may become extremely useful in two important ways: (1) transportation between locations, and (2) as a pack mule. TRANSPORTATION: Depending on the type of worldwide catastrophe, transportation may or may not be necessary or even desirable. However, if it is necessary and automobiles are not available for some reason, then a bicycle will enable a person to cover distances easier and faster than walking. A person can walk about 3 miles per hour but a bicycle can easily cover between 10 to 30 miles per hour, depending on the road conditions (hills, etc.) and the physical fitness of the rider. PACK MULE: When forced into service as a pack mule, an adult human male can carry about 30 pounds and still be able to walk 2 or 3 miles per hour. However, most bicycles will allow the rider to add about 20 pounds to the front wheel and about 30 pounds to the rear wheel for a total of about 50 pounds plus the rider. If the rider is willing to walk beside the bicycle and push the bicycle, then a typical adult bicycle could be loaded with 200 to 250 pounds of supplies and equipment strapped to the metal frame of the bike. [JWR Adds: When doing so fro more than a short distance, it is useful to lash a stout broomstick or a 5+ foot length from a sapling on to the handlebars, to provide a solid surface to push against with equal pressure of both hands, as well as leverage for keeping the front wheel pointed in the desired direction.] Or a bicycle trailer could be attached to the rear of the bicycle and the rider could add about 100 pounds of supplies onto the bicycle trailer. You could purchase a special bike trailer or you could convert a two-seater child trailer into an equipment trailer by replacing the children�s compartment with a large lockable waterproof plastic storage box securely mounted between the two trailer wheels. If you use a rear mounted bike trailer to transport supplies and it is not lockable, then you need to be very careful when you travel through an area where there are other people. People will steal things off your rear bike trailer when you aren�t looking or while you are being intentionally distracted by one of their associates. This type of theft can be prevented by using a locking waterproof plastic storage box bolted to your trailer instead of just strapping things down to a basic flatbed trailer. Even if you are walking and pushing a fully loaded bike, you can still occasionally stand with your RIGHT foot on the LEFT pedal and lean the bike gently away from you at a slight angle to maintain its balance, and then coast down a hill or incline while operating your hand brakes to keep the bike at a safe speed. A bicycle will allow you to cover more ground with more supplies and equipment with less fatigue, and this could make a significant difference in your chances of survival. Even if you do not anticipate the need for transportation during a worldwide catastrophe, a bicycle would still be a good investment in the event you were forced to become a refugee for some unexpected reason and your automobile was not available. Anyone could be forced into the life of a refugee due to events beyond his or her control, such as forest fires, or floods, or drought that results in dry wells, or enemy soldiers with heavy artillery who are destroying all the homes they find. Two or three-hundred pounds of supplies and equipment is not a lot but it could keep one person alive for one-year (or longer) depending on how wisely you selected your items and how successful you were at supplementing your food supplies with hunting, trapping, fishing, foraging, and growing simple vegetables from seeds such as corn and beans and tomatoes. Growing pinto beans or kidney beans is a lot easier than searching for wild edible plants. For some additional information on seeds, please see my article entitled �How to Harvest, Process, and Store Vegetable Seeds� BICYCLE CONSTRUCTION Bike Style: Any style adult bicycle is acceptable. This includes mountain bikes and road bikes. I recommend a bike with a fixed rigid rear wheel as opposed to a spring mounted rear wheel. The advantage of a spring mounted rear wheel is that it helps to absorb road shocks and not transmit their full force to the saddle. The advantage of a fixed rear wheel is that you can install a more substantial rear luggage rack over the rear wheel. Folding bikes are also nice and eBay has them for $200 or less. However, unless you really need a folding bike, a normal fixed frame bike is probably a better investment and it will probably last longer before needing repairs. All bicycles need roads or paths or trails or some other relatively smooth unobstructed surface to ride on. Therefore don�t buy a mountain bike simply because you think you will be riding through wilderness areas. If you are in a thick forest, you will be walking beside your bike and picking it up and carrying it over obstacles, such as fallen trees. Almost any type of bike works fine when you are walking beside it. Price: You can purchase a bike at a specialty bike shop or at a store such as WalMart. If you make your purchase at a bike shop you may discover you are paying a premium for the bike because bikes, bike accessories, and bike repairs are the only source of revenue for the bike shop. However, a store like Walmart has a standard markup on most of its items and their profit on bicycles is not that much different from anything else in the store. At Walmart you can usually find a really nice selection of good bikes for under $200. If you look carefully, you can also find several below $100 and a few below $75. If you go to a bike shop, the bikes usually start at $200 and quickly jump to $300 or $400 and some are even priced at $800, $1,200 and $2,000. The final decision on how much you wish to spend on a bike is up to you, but I think you could get a very, very nice bicycle for less than $200. (Note: I have a $59 ten-speed bike that I purchased 10 years ago from Walmart and I am still very happy with it.) Many, but not all, of the accessories mentioned below can also be purchased at a very reasonable price at stores such as Walmart. However some items must be purchased or ordered through a specialty bike shop or purchased off the Internet. Gears or Speeds: A bicycle with three or more speeds is highly desirable. A bicycle operates the same way an automobile does. If you only had ONE gear in your car, you would NOT be very happy with the performance of your car. With three or more gears in your car, the car can shift gears as you gain speed and improve the performance of your car. If you encounter a really steep hill, the car can shift into a lower gear. The same principle applies to bikes. Many, many years ago there were only single-speed bikes. To demonstrate the advantage of the newly invented three-speed bike a simple road test was conducted. An adult male racing champion was allowed to ride his favorite one-speed bike but a petite female was given a three-speed bike. The race was over a typical course involving some hills and some decent stretches of level ground. The young lady literally beat the socks off the professional male bike racer because she had three gears to pick from. She could pick the best gear for climbing a hill and a different gear for maximum speed on level ground. The professional bike racer only had one gear and he couldn�t keep up with the lady even though he had substantially more strength in his leg muscles. That simple two-person race resulted in the end of single-speed bicycles in professional bicycle races. The Optimum Number of Speeds: Any number of speeds between 3 to 21 will yield good performance. The total number of speeds is not as important as a person might expect. A three-speed bike has one front gear and three rear gears. All three speeds work just fine. A ten-speed bike has two front gears and five rear gears for a total of ten combinations. However, each front gear works best with the three (or four) gears closest to it on the rear. So the RIGHT front gear works best with the three RIGHT gears on the rear wheel. And the LEFT front gear works best with the three LEFT gears on the rear wheel. Therefore, even though the bike has ten possible speeds, somewhere between six to eight speeds are used most often. The reason is chain crossover. If you use a front gear on the far right with a rear gear on the far left, then the chain is at a bad angle and the chain undergoes excessive tension and chain wear and other chain problems are more likely, such as chain breakage. Therefore, most bike riders use the three or four rear gears that are most closely aligned with the front gear currently in use. A 21-speed bike has three front gears and seven rear gears for a total of 21 options. However, based on the previous discussion, somewhere between 9 to 12 of those options are high quality combinations that minimize chain wear. Therefore, a three-speed bike has three good gear combinations, a ten-speed bike has about six really good gear combinations, and a 21-speed bike has about nine really good gear combinations. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with a good ten-speed bike. I have a ten-speed bike and I really like it. I also have a 21-speed bike and I like it too. I suggest that you select a bicycle based on factors other than the number of �total� possible speed combinations. Brakes: Hand operated braking systems are really nice. Rubber brake pads and disk brakes both work well in my opinion. Don�t let a bike salesperson talk you into a bike with disk brakes unless that bike also has all the other features you really need. You should also purchase a spare set of brake pads for your front and rear wheels. There are two basic sizes so look at the ones on your bike before you purchase your spare brake pads. Bicycle brakes will wear out before the other parts on your bicycle, just like the brakes on your car will wear out and need to be replaced several times during the life of your car. Spare brake pads cost between $4 to $6 for a set of two rubber pads. Tire Size: A 26-inch tire is a very good choice for adults. Some individuals prefer a 24-inch tire and that is also a very popular tire size. A 27-inch tire is also an option but in a disaster situation it may be very difficult to find replacement parts for a 27-inch tire. Tire Design: Any standard tire design will be okay. Smooth tires and knobby tires each have certain advantages but your choice of a good bike should probably be based on factors other than the design of the tire tread. All the different tire designs work reasonably well in most situations, although some are superior for specific applications. Bike Comfort and Riding Fatigue: When selecting a new bike there are two related issues that should be considered: (1) comfort, and (2) riding fatigue. Most of us grew up riding a bike and we already know what feels right and what doesn�t. To evaluate a new bike you should sit on the seat and then lean forward slightly and put your hands and some of your weight on the front handlebars, with your arms slightly bent at the elbows. If you feel comfortable in this position then the bike is worthy of further consideration. Remember that the seat height is adjustable and if you need to move the seat up or down to improve your comfort then that is really easy to do on today�s modern bicycles. Don�t let a thin skinny bike seat influence your decision about comfort because you can easily replace the seat for about $20. It is the rest of the bike that can�t be easily modified. The seat design issue will be discussed in more detail below. Some individuals, such as professional racers, prefer a really low set of handlebars so they can lean forward to an almost horizontal position to minimize wind resistance. However, in this position you must tilt your head and neck backwards so you can see ahead. This position is not comfortable for many people. When you are standing upright astride your bicycle with both feet on the ground the center bar should not make contact with your groin area. Most new bikes have the adjustable seat in a low position so the prospective customer can sit on the seat and put both feet on the ground to stabilize the bike. This is the seat position from which most of us learned to ride and it is the way we teach our children to ride. It is very easy to start and stop a bike if both of your feet can touch the ground when you are stopped. There is nothing wrong with this seat position and it works well for short riding distances when there are frequent stops. However this low seat position will result in your becoming tired more quickly if you are riding a long distance. To find the best seat height to minimize long distance riding fatigue you will need to sit on the bicycle seat and extend one leg straight down to one of the pedals in its lowest position. When you are sitting on the seat the pedal in the down position should allow you to fully straighten your leg. This means you will have to get OFF the seat when you stop so you can put your feet on the ground and keep your bike upright. To minimize fatigue and maximize power while riding your legs need to be straight when each pedal is in the full down position. Adjust the height of the seat by trial and error until you find the optimum seat height that is just right for you. However, unless you anticipate long distance bike rides, there is no need to raise the seat and you can leave the seat in a low position so both your feet can touch the ground when you are stopped. Seat or Saddle ($20): If your bike comes with a standard slim style racing seat, I suggest you consider replacing it with a Wide Bottom Gel Seat. Your rear end will be spending a lot of time on this seat and those thin seats are not comfortable for an extended ride, in my opinion. Kickstand: The kickstand should be long enough to support the bicycle in an almost vertical position when on level ground. If the kickstand is too short then the bicycle will fall over when a front wheel luggage rack and saddlebags are added as an accessory. Pedals: Most bikes have good pedals and you will probably not need to replace them. This is one area where an upgrade is definitely not recommended. Gasoline Engine or Battery Power: I have looked at adding either a gasoline engine or a battery powered motor to my bicycle many, many times during the past five years. Each time I decided not to invest in either option. Their range is usually 30 miles or less and their speed is usually 30 mph or less. Both types of motors take up space and weight behind your seat that could be used to store other more useful items. Instead of motorizing your bicycle, I suggest that you use the power in your legs unless: (1) you are unable to do so, or (2) you intend to use your bike for daily commuting back and forth to your current place of employment to save a little gas money. BICYCLE ACCESSORIES Bike Tool ($13)): The bike mega ultra-tool is a special bike tool that includes all the tools and accessories needed to perform minor (or major) repairs to your bike if it should require service while you are on the road. At a retail price of about $13 this tool is a real bargain. Tire Patches ($2): For emergency repair of a flat tire. Air Gauge ($3 to $25): A dial gauge is usually more accurate than a stick gauge. However, they are also more expensive. If money is an issue, a simple automobile tire gauge will do the job. A bicycle tire requires a LOT more air pressure than an automobile tire because the surface area of the tire that actually makes contact with the road is very small. Small Storage Bag That Fits Under the Seat ($7) (or attach it to the front handlebar): Use it to store your special bike tool, a Leatherman type tool, a 6-inch adjustable crescent wrench, an air gauge, tire patches, a small can of Three-in-One oil inside a small plastic freezer bag, a small LED flashlight, a good folding stainless steel pocket knife, a butane lighter, a small good quality first aid kit, and any special tools such as little hex wrenches that come with any accessories you install on your bicycle. Air Pump ($8 to $25): A necessity, in my opinion. The hand pump model that attaches to the side of the bike frame is really nice. I also have a smaller more compact air pump but it does not work as well as the mid-size air pump that attaches to the side of the bike frame. Some bikes have predrilled threaded holes for attaching the special air pump holder and some bikes do not. If your bike doesn�t have the predrilled threaded holes you can attach the air pump holder to your bike using two Velcro straps. Rear Luggage Rack ($20 to $35): My suggestion is to avoid the rear luggage rack that mounts ONLY to the seat post. However, if you have a spring mounted rear wheel bike then this may be your only option. My preference is a rear luggage rack with TWO downward metal supports on EACH side that attach to the frame of the bicycle just above your rear axle. It will support more weight than a seat post mounted luggage rack. These luggage racks can be mounted to the rear frame of most bikes using the pre-threaded holes just above the rear axle. The holes are generally either 5mm or 6mm and when you add a lock washer they eliminate the need for an inside nut to hold the luggage rack to the rear frame. An inside nut could get in the way of the chain when it tries to make contact with the outside rear gear. If your bike has a rear hole that it is not threaded, then you can add threads by purchasing one or two extra bolts of the correct diameter and screwing them into the opening to thread the hole. This may damage the threads on those bolts but if they are extra bolts then you can simply toss them in the trash when you are done. Or you could use a tap and die set to thread the holes. Luggage racks can be purchased at your local bicycle shop or they can be purchased over the internet. Front Luggage Rack ($15 to $30): Adds about 20 pounds of extra storage capacity to the front of your bike. It can be used for any item, but it is best suited for bulky light weight items such as extra clothing and a blanket or a sleeping bag and a small pillow. Do not put too much weight over your front wheel or you may find your bicycle difficult to steer. Some bikes have mounting holes just above the front axle. Neither of my bikes had those holes so I used 3-inch long predrilled braces to mount the rack on the front of each bike. (Necessity is the mother of invention.) If you are looking for a new bike then I suggest that you examine the front fork to see if it has the predrilled holes just above the front axle for installing a front luggage rack. After you mount your front luggage rack and put a few things onto it, you may discover that your bicycle falls over. This is because the kickstand that came with your bike is too short. Install a longer kickstand and you will solve this problem. Luggage Rack Design: The front and rear luggage racks are each uniquely designed for their specific application and you should not buy two of the same type in the belief that you can simply turn it end to end and make it fit on the opposite end of your bike. It won�t work. Each rack has it own special mounting hardware designed specifically for one end of the bike. You will need one rack for the rear and a different but similar design for the front. Saddlebags or Panniers ($30 to $200 per pair): Bicycle side saddlebags are called panniers. I have three different brands, including Jandd and Ortlieb. Ortlieb was the most expensive of the three brands and I bought a pair of them due to their most excellent reviews on the internet. However, they are NOT my favorite panniers. My personal preference is the Jandd Economy Pannier. The Jandd Economy Panniers have good quality workmanship and materials, they attach quickly, easily, and securely to either the front or the rear luggage racks, they have a zipper closure, they are rain proof, they are really easy to open and close, and their design makes it easy to store and remove items from the panniers. If I purchase any more panniers they will all be the Jandd Economy Panniers. Panniers can be special ordered through your local bicycle shop or they can be purchased over the Internet. The Jandd Economy Panniers can be purchased at this web site: Bungee Cords and Cargo Nets ($2 to $6): Saddlebags can be used to store items on both sides of your luggage racks. However, you can also secure items to the top flat surface of each luggage rack using elastic bungee cords and/or cargo nets. They also make specially designed panniers for use on top of these racks, but I prefer the flexibility of being able to secure my own personal survival backpack onto the top of the rear luggage rack and my sleeping bag on top of the front luggage rack. Water Bottle (Optional): Attaches to the frame in the center of the bike. I bought one out of curiosity but I only bought one. In a refugee situation the small amount of water in the bottle would NOT last very long. A person would be far better off with a quality water filter such as the Swiss Katadyn Pocket Water Filter. It will process up to 13,000 gallons of water for drinking purposes and it is about the same size as the water bottle designed for bicycle mounting. If you should become a refugee, then one of your most important problems EVERY day will be a fresh supply of safe drinking water. The Katadyn Pocket Water Filter will easily solve this problem for several YEARS. There are LOTS of other cheaper water filters available that are advocated by a wide variety of individuals, but they will only process a few hundred gallons of water before they wear out. If you should become a refugee, then your family will be depending on you for EVERYTHING, and water should not be one of your daily problems. In my opinion, everyone should become as educated as possible about water and its importance. I suggest you review the information available on my web site about �How to Find Water and Make It Safe to Drink. It is a very long read but it contains information that could save your life one day. Speedometer: I prefer a non-electric speedometer. However, the one I purchased would only fit on one of my bikes. Although a battery-operated speedometer would have worked on my other bike, I decided I really didn�t want one of those. You need to make your own decision on whether or not you need a speedometer. Shoes: Most bike shops sell special bicycle shoes. You may buy a pair if you wish. However, your normal walking shoes will do just fine if they do NOT have a flat smooth sole. Your normal walking shoes should have ribbed or tread type soles for traction while walking. This type of sole will also make positive contact with the pedals on your bike and prevent your foot from slipping off the pedal when in motion. Since you will not be riding all the time, a quality set of footwear will need to function as walking shoes in addition to riding shoes. Your shoes are a VERY important consideration because the shoes you are wearing when you first become a refugee will probably be the only pair of shoes you possess for several years. I suggest you research the shoe issue very carefully and purchase a really good pair of quality walking shoes instead of an expensive pair of high performance bicycle shoes. Helmet: If you like the bicycle style helmets, then buy the one that appeals to you. However, a motorcycle helmet is a better investment, in my opinion. Just walk over to the automotive section and they usually have nice motorcycle helmets for $90 or less. During the past 50 years I have had occasional rare accidents with bicycles and motorcycles and, in my opinion, a helmet is an absolutely NECESSARY piece of safety equipment. Other Safety Equipment: You may invest in other typical bicycle safety items, such as elbow pads, knee pads, and gloves as you believe appropriate. Rain Gear: A good rain suit is a nice thing to have. It consists of a waterproof upper, usually with an attached hood, and a waterproof pair of pants. You will need waterproof pants if you intend to ride your bike in the rain. If you already have a good waterproof jacket of some type, then waterproof pants will complete your outfit. Bicycle Lock: Always take your bike INSIDE wherever you happen to be and lock it securely so it can�t be stolen. If you leave your bike outside, even locked to a bike stand, you will eventually discover that there are some people who will intentionally disable your bike or steal stuff off your bike. You really don�t need those kinds of problems. Headlight: I have a battery-operated halogen headlight on one of my bikes. It uses two standard C cell batteries. I was NOT impressed with the headlight so I did not install one on my other bike. Oil: I normally use whatever I have available, such as motor oil or Three-in-One oil. I put a little oil on the chain, the gears, and the axles before I put the bike in storage. This consists of hanging the bike on a bike hook from the ceiling of the garage. This may not be the best way to store a bike but it has not caused me or my bike any problems for over ten years. Child Carrier Seats: There are several different types of child carrier seats. Let�s look at three different models. The first child seat ($40) mounts behind the rider�s seat and it replaces the rear luggage rack. Therefore I don�t recommend this type, unless you have two small children and for some reason you must install Two child seats on one bike. If you have two children then the third option below is a better choice. The second option is a child seat ($45) that mounts between the front handlebar stem and the rider�s seat post. This puts the child where you can see the child at all times and it positions the child so the child can see where you are going, regardless of whether you are riding or walking beside the bicycle. The third option is a two-seat child carrier ($110) that attaches to the rear of the bike. If you are forced into a refugee situation and you have small children then a bicycle would allow you to travel relatively quickly with your young children. Young children cannot walk very far before they become tired and they need to be either carried or transported. Carrying children is not a good option if it can be avoided. The best solution would be to have one front mount child seat per adult or teenager bicycle. However, in an emergency, one adult could transport up to four small children on one bicycle and the adult could either ride or walk beside the bike. One child could go in the forward child�s seat (mounted between the handlebars and the rider�s seat), one child could go in a child�s seat mounted behind the rider�s seat, and two small children could fit in a child trailer attached to the rear of the bicycle. If one person had to transport four small children using one bicycle then there would be very little space left over for food, supplies, and equipment, but your primary responsibility in this type of emergency situation would be the immediate safety of your children. If you perceive a situation where you would need to transport several children on one bicycle, then you should also consider installing a quality set of heavy duty children�s rear training wheels on each side of your bicycle to help keep your bicycle upright at all times. Conclusion Different bike enthusiasts have different opinions about the advantages and disadvantages of every possible type of bicycle and bicycle accessory. I am not a bike enthusiast. I am just an ordinary person who has ridden bicycles for more than 50 years, beginning with a single-speed bike, and then a three-speed, and then a ten-speed, and then a 21-speed. The above is just my opinion and it is nothing more than my opinion. Before you invest in a bicycle you should research this topic very carefully and collect a variety of different opinions and then make your own decision based on what is best for your particular situation and your anticipated riding conditions. Before you spend any money on a bicycle you should first make a list of the different bicycles that are available along with their prices, and a list of the different options and accessories you wish to purchase for your bike. Then add up the total cost and determine whether or not you can afford it. If not, then reconsider the bike, the options, and the accessories based on need and not simply desire. Finally, I strongly recommend the purchase of the following book: �Bicycle Maintenance & Repair,� 5th Edition, by Todd Downs. I suggest you place this book inside a two-gallon plastic freezer bag and store it inside one of the rear saddlebags on your bicycle. Bicycle maintenance and repair is not complicated if you know what to do. A typical bicycle has a variety of different simple adjustments that can be made and knowing the correct sequence of adjustments is very important. This book, plus your bicycle multi-tool and your Leatherman type tool and your 6-inch adjustable wrench, will help you keep your bicycle operational until it eventually wears out from old age. One place where you can begin to acquire additional knowledge about bicycles is Sheldon Brown�s web site. His web site contains a lot of information and you should read the articles that are of interest to you. When you are finished reading you will be able to make a superior choice about the type of bicycle that is just right for you. I truly hope you will never need your bicycle except for recreational purposes. However, if world events should unfold in an unexpected fashion, then your bicycle would allow you to take your most important survival possessions with you if you were suddenly forced into becoming a refugee and your car was not available for some unexpected reason. In my opinion, the best option would be not becoming a refugee, if it is avoidable. However, if the choice were between certain death or life as a refugee, then I would select the life of a refugee. A good bicycle would significantly improve a person�s chances of survival in that type of situation. Respectfully, - Grandpappy http://www.survivalblog.com/2007/06/...y_transpo.html

Nanook | 04-21-2009 08:27 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Good stuff, thanks for posting it. Survival Blog generally has well-thought out posts. I do see one down side to bicycles. If things come unglued, or should I say when they come unglued, everybody and his dog will want your bike. They are kind of hard to keep a hold of when others want them. I don't have an answer to that, other than shoot them if they come for your bike.

argentos | 04-21-2009 08:42 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation The Viet Cong did rather well with bicycle transport under harsh conditions. http://www.transchool.eustis.army.mi...s/image004.jpg

RealJack | 04-21-2009 09:01 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation I live about six miles from a little town on a country scenic highway with a fair amount of truck traffic and no shoulders. The speed limit is 55 and riding my bike into town sucks... hell, walking the grassy roadside sucks, with gigantic dump trucks screaming along throwing and spitting grit and gravel. I used to ride all the time. Once, I had an 18 wheeler clip my handlebar and I flew headfirst into the railing on a bridge. The bike was destroyed and the driver never even slowed down. Just recently I began some serious walking. Somewhere between 4 and 10 miles most every day, depending on how much time I have available. Thank god I don't have to walk the highway... that's a seriously dangerous hobby. I'm telling you man, people in vehicles are freaking homicidal. :favorites21: However, if traffic stops, bikes would be fantastic.

R U Insured | 04-21-2009 09:22 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation I have an electric bike for the age gap of my daughter and I 47-10 & need the electric boost to keep on raising her the way any Dad wants to,,,, riding bikes and all the other perks you get w/ child rearing and can't let my age get in the way I also have a conventional bicycle but prefer the electric.:s1:

GreenSpirit | 04-21-2009 09:31 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation I'm gonna experiment to see just exactly how big a shotgun I can fire before I fall off my bike. A great idea for the weekend! :565:

Canadian-guerilla | 04-21-2009 09:31 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Quote:
Originally Posted by argentos (Post 1688284) The Viet Cong did rather well with bicycle transport under harsh conditions. http://www.transchool.eustis.army.mi...s/image004.jpg
there were stories of the VC loading some of these bicycles with up to 350-400 lbs

argentos | 04-21-2009 09:36 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadian-guerilla (Post 1688329) there were stories of the VC loading some of these bicycles with up to 350-400 lbs
..... and, like the three old ladies, nobody knew they were there, which might be quite handy if and when .........

Tome | 04-21-2009 09:46 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanook (Post 1688267) I do see one down side to bicycles. If things come unglued, or should I say when they come unglued, everybody and his dog will want your bike.
Theft. Flat tires. Weather. Walking seems to make more sense then a bike wtshtf.

CoinNut | 04-21-2009 09:58 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Have a nice $1000 road bike I put 150-300 mi. aweek on. Rather be without my truck than the bike. 10 positives against every negative reasons to own and USE a bike...But % wise, riders are more rare than people that own PM's. Both are very low,at least for now.

St. Germain | 04-21-2009 11:27 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1688327) I'm gonna experiment to see just exactly how big a shotgun I can fire before I fall off my bike. A great idea for the weekend! :565:
12 gauge no problem.:biggrin: Slide on the 870 is a pain in the ass when riding - i suggest an 1100. ST

Twisted Avatar | 04-21-2009 11:46 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanook (Post 1688267) Good stuff, thanks for posting it. Survival Blog generally has well-thought out posts. I do see one down side to bicycles. If things come unglued, or should I say when they come unglued, everybody and his dog will want your bike. They are kind of hard to keep a hold of when others want them. I don't have an answer to that, other than shoot them if they come for your bike.
Exactly ........keep your bike only for emergency travel and if a fool wants still want it. You can give them something else instead. T

R U Insured | 04-22-2009 07:05 AM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation As far as WTSHTF ,, how many are in good enough shape to endure not only long distance but carrying anything (supplies)would compound the stresses of getting used to riding bikes , If you are considering bicycles as emergency transportation it's better to stay in shape not have to get into it ...IF you are considering shooting off of a bike better start practicing , I never quit riding bikes after all these years and do do it on a regular basis w/my daughter now. Only more so now ,,since I got to thinking gas may not be so available or too expensive for short trips that a bike would better serve , my Wife is Asian and where she's from it's commonplace to ride bikes her mother still does she says I'm the 1st kwilo she's met here that doesn't mind using a bike at my age and I am the only one she's met that thinks Metals money real money I will get used to staying with the context of the threads and stating the points better

Twisted Avatar | 04-22-2009 01:41 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Just as an aside....I came across a site that make tires for bikes that are "airless" Maybe something worth looking into. http://www.airfreetires.com/

goldbug | 04-22-2009 02:28 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1689299) Just as an aside....I came across a site that make tires for bikes that are "airless" Maybe something worth looking into. http://www.airfreetires.com/
thanks, great information

CoinNut | 04-22-2009 02:56 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation "Airless tires"..??..I may get 1 flat before my tires are worn through. Use the ones with kevlar all the way around,not just on bottom. If it is good enough for some bullet-proof vests..:applause_....

goldbug | 04-22-2009 03:11 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation It seems that law enforcement does not appreciate bicycles on their roads. Might be safer to walk . . .

gasilat | 04-22-2009 08:53 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation 1 Attachment(s) Thanks TA ! Hey I bought a bicycle today. I really wasn't thinking survival as much as trail riding for pleasure. I had a rack put on it so I could strap on some gear like a small backpack. There is a 38 mile trail near me I wanted to bike this summer and overnight in a tent a couple nights out. Anyway its a Trek 4500 mountain bike and I just told the guys at the bike shop to hook me up with something dependable and to put all the accessories on it I needed and thats what they did. The bike was 650 but with the extra stuff it came to close to 900. I'm going to take it out for a cruise tonight and check it out ! :) ....

Saul Mine | 04-23-2009 01:55 AM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation I got a bike when I was about 5 and I rode it until I was 18. But except for my paper route, when I needed to do something I got off and walked.

ImaCannin | 04-23-2009 02:07 AM
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thrifty_bob | 04-23-2009 07:08 AM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation I have an old made in USA Schwinn 12 speed LeTour racing bike I bought used for $75. I usually try to ride 10 to 15 mi a day for exercise. It has a bin on a luggage rack behind the seat that holds a gallon of milk and a bag of groceries. The grocery store is on the way to the library, so I try to go to the library regularly (7 mi ea way) and stop at the grocery on the way home if I need anything. As a result, my car, even though its very efficient (45 mpg on the highway is normal for it), generally only gets used once a week or so unless I'm going somewhere special. No need to wait for TSHTF to start riding a bike. If you wait till then, you won't be in any shape to ride one anyway.

R U Insured | 04-23-2009 07:50 AM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Quote:
Originally Posted by thrifty_bob (Post 1690220) No need to wait for TSHTF to start riding a bike. If you wait till then, you won't be in any shape to ride one anyway.
That's for sure biking takes a little getting used to for any distance and regular type use I used to ride 4 miles a day and 75 on sundays liesurely type riding and ocasional speed riding breaking times from previous rides

Twisted Avatar | 04-23-2009 12:26 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1689299) Just as an aside....I came across a site that make tires for bikes that are "airless" Maybe something worth looking into. http://www.airfreetires.com/
Made a boo boo..........it appears that these guys suck the big one in terms of customer service...... DO NOT DEAL WITH THEM http://www.orlando.bbb.org/newsearch...000243#Ratings

GB1980 | 04-23-2009 02:44 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Twisted Avatar: Agree to a point. I received training many moons ago by a real mule skinner that a mule should carry no more than 1/3 of its weight. He said the same about humans. However, at the time I was carrying over 100lbs at about 3-4 miles an hour over an extended period of time and I weighed about 180lbs. He stated the obvious--we were over straining our bodies. Granted, I trained for it but like anything else like riding a bike you have to train for it prior to doing it. So, make sure that you have the capability to do it before you are expecting to do it.

AOW | 04-23-2009 04:05 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation I'm a bike commuter and put in about 15 miles per weekday with some on the weekends as well. Agree with the posts about getting in "bike shape" if you've any plans to include one in your bugout plans. I think the concerns over flat tires are overblown. Get a tire repair kit and a pump and a fix of a flat takes just a few minutes.

argentos | 04-23-2009 08:29 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Quote:
Originally Posted by GB1980 (Post 1690774) Twisted Avatar: Agree to a point. I received training many moons ago by a real mule skinner that a mule should carry no more than 1/3 of its weight. He said the same about humans. However, at the time I was carrying over 100lbs at about 3-4 miles an hour over an extended period of time and I weighed about 180lbs. He stated the obvious--we were over straining our bodies. Granted, I trained for it but like anything else like riding a bike you have to train for it prior to doing it. So, make sure that you have the capability to do it before you are expecting to do it.
Almost any excessive activity may cause damage that only shows up years or decades later. Carrying 180lbs at a brisk walk for hours sounds like a lot of wear on the joints. I hope you have been lucky and your spine, hips, knees and ankles are in good nick these many moons later?

thorgrim | 04-24-2009 02:47 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation I've been thinking that a good quality mountain bike would make an excellent bug out vehicle under certain circumstances. If you have decent riding ability (which I do) and a knowledge of local paths and trails you may be able get out of the city when roads are blockaded for example. Even if people were after you, you would have a very good chance of escape because they would not be able to follow you at comparable speeds through that type of terrain. Even ATV's can't get through areas you can often get through on a good bike. Plus you can always carry the bike across a stream or up a steep hill. Bikes are very silent and often you do not hear them come up on you until they are quite close. Compared to a quad or dirt bike that can be heard for miles in the bush. I have seen a lot of game while riding in the mountains because they don't hear you from a long ways away. Even had a fairly close encounter with a bear that luckily was more afraid of me then I was and ran off the trail when I came around a bend and startled it. I think a bike could be an excellent choice depending on the situation.

nova bossa | 04-24-2009 08:46 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation 1 Attachment(s) Here is how I plan on bugging out -- styllin'

silver_addiction | 04-24-2009 09:24 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation i am in the process of getting a trek 520, which is designed for touring, or long distance rides. It cost 1350, and with the racks and panniers (bags) and a few other upgrades it will be like 2000. I am planning on using it for a cross country trip next summer, and overnight rides in my area on the weekends. The type of trip where you load up your tent, food, sleeping bag, ect. and ride like 50 miles to a nice spot, camp overnight and ride back the next day. I am actually really looking forward to these trips. Something positive to think about with all this negativity we hear all the time.

GreenSpirit | 04-24-2009 09:44 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Quote:
Originally Posted by silver_addiction (Post 1693092) i am in the process of getting a trex 520, which is designed for touring, or long distance rides. It cost 1350, and with the racks and panniers (bags) and a few other upgrades it will be like 2000. I am planning on using it for a cross country trip next summer, and overnight rides in my area on the weekends. The type of trip where you load up your tent, food, sleeping bag, ect. and ride like 50 miles to a nice spot, camp overnight and ride back the next day. I am actually really looking forward to these trips. Something positive to think about with all this negativity we hear all the time.
I seems like you spent enough to enjoy yourself. Good luck! :rose:

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Jimfrancisco | 04-25-2009 11:13 AM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Quote:
Originally Posted by nova bossa (Post 1693027) Here is how I plan on bugging out -- styllin'
Pfffft, you got no safari windows, and she ain't no 23-window Samba - you call that style? :biggrin:

goldbug | 04-25-2009 11:49 AM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation there are nice chainless bikes out now, no oil on clothes, very smooth and very low maintence

gasilat | 04-26-2009 02:11 AM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation yeah i think my new bike is gonna work out okay. i've been riding every night since i bought it. started at 6 miles up to 8 miles tonight, not pushing it just enjoying the evenings. its still spring breakup here so the off road trails are not rideable yet, but we have a paved bike path in the nearest town so I have been loading the bike in the back of the truck and going there... i had a spill last night though...i was at this intersection and trying to watch traffic 3 different directions and when I crossed a road I must have hit a large rock i didn't see cause the next thing I knew I was down on the pavement. It must have been a spectacular wipeout to witness because a couple of people got out of their vehicles to check on me and one guy couldn't believe I was okay. Well...my pride was hurting worse than my knee at that moment so I told him "nahh no big deal" and I jumped on my bike and rode another 7 miles. I knew I had to keep pedaling because that knee was gonna swell when I stopped and it did. :) But I was good to go this evening and did my miles again tonight. Its very relaxing to ride, when I don't have to watch for traffic. Since I'm starting to get used to the bike I've improved on my use of the gears and its taking all the work out of it. I'll be glad when I can get off the paved bike path and the intersections in another week or two and can hit the off road trails so I just have to watch the trail in front of me. Bottom line is it seems like a good solid bike, it shifts smooth and with an aluminum frame its light to pick up.

CoinNut | 04-26-2009 08:53 AM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Nice to see people still posting to thread. Thought I'd post alittle specifics on topic.....Have a mountain bike than doesn't get much use but is ready to go when road bike in repair. Do not buy special tires,for flats. Along with rear rack,have pouch under seat for tool kit,patch kit but always carry a spare tube. Fix the tube later. Have 2 water bottles attached to frame. Have a "Camelbak" small backpack that holds alota stuff(Powerbars,first aid,radio,etc) and ready to go,that also holds 1/2 gallon + of water.Also have bag that fits the rear rack,with stuff........Have same/similar set-up on road bike .Have helmet with a mirror attached. Cuts down on alota fears.Bike shorts helps :). Been buying Specialized "Armadillo" tires(No problems,think I read on their site will send you a new tube if goes flat) but thought I'd try the Continental "Gatorskin" and so far 1000K, no problems.Maintance a must. Plenty of free info on. Always have bikes and suppys in good shape and ready to go.

Agamemnon | 04-26-2009 10:22 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Quote:
Originally Posted by Tome (Post 1688349) Theft. Flat tires. Weather. Walking seems to make more sense then a bike wtshtf.
You like being a mule ?

gasilat | 04-27-2009 12:33 AM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Quote:
Originally Posted by CoinNut (Post 1694761) Have a "Camelbak" small backpack that holds alota stuff(Powerbars,first aid,radio,etc).
hey the one item i haven't been carrying with me is a small first aid kit but i plan on assembling one and putting it in the pouch under the seat so i always have one on the bike. good suggestion. i bought a Golite Rush pack (900 ci) last year and i found it works really well to cram my raingear and gloves and a candy bar or other stuff into for a day ride. thanks !

Bill843 | 04-27-2009 05:50 AM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation There's a number of options to greatly reduce the flat tire problem. First is, get a puncture-resistant tire setup. Ask if you don't know what to get. Second is....... don't ride where the sharp junk is. When riding in the street, ride a foot or two away from the gutter. The gutter is where all the road debris ends up--all the glass, nails and screws,,, so don't ride in it. -end-

jupitergold | 04-27-2009 07:05 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Best bicycles to buy are the following: - single/fixed gear bikes - 3 piece cranks are very strong and easy to swap/replace - Chromoly frame and fork construction is extremely durable and strong - 20 x 1.80 tires are very good for strength, access and price - 20" bikes are best and not as comfortable for an adult as a road bike, but better overall.

St. Germain | 04-27-2009 11:08 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation Quote:
Originally Posted by jupitergold (Post 1696938) Best bicycles to buy are the following: - single/fixed gear bikes - 3 piece cranks are very strong and easy to swap/replace - Chromoly frame and fork construction is extremely durable and strong - 20 x 1.80 tires are very good for strength, access and price - 20" bikes are best and not as comfortable for an adult as a road bike, but better overall.
Be careful with fixed gears. Not the same as single gears. Fun to ride if you are used to them - but are fairly challenging for noobs. Use caution. ST

Bill843 | 04-29-2009 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by St. Germain (Post 1697373) Be careful with fixed gears. Not the same as single gears. Fun to ride if you are used to them - but are fairly challenging for noobs. Use caution.
You guys are both nuts. Normal people don't want anything to do with single-speeds or fixies. It's strictly a 95-lb lycra-wardrobe bike geek thing. ----- From what I have seen, most "ordinary people" greatly prefer a bike that has an internal-geared hub. It is easy to shift (even while standing still or back-pedaling), it's fairly sealed from the elements and it doesn't require any regular maintenance. The gear range can cover the speeds that an average person would ride at, or the hills they would care to try riding up. Only problem is cost.... A Shimano Nexus 8-speed hub is around $275 w/roller brake, and then you need a bike to put it on. Most cheaper single-speed bikes can probably fit it, only detail is that you want a fork that supports a separate hand-brake for the front wheel. -end-

Canadian-guerilla | 12-08-2009 07:22 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation CARGO BIKE: a winter project for one of my backup frames a friend of mine welds and i don't care what it looks like, just as long as it's solid http://bicyclefixation.com/images/kr...onan_sq_01.jpg http://dutchbikeseattle.com/weblog/w...66-440x292.jpg

Osprey550 | 12-08-2009 09:14 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation What's wrong with the looks? I like the idea. Please post pics of the completed project.

Golden Eagle | 12-08-2009 09:51 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation My daily: Redline 925 Single speed, 700x28 Panaracer kevlar tires Topeak: quick trac rack, MTX DXP trunk bag, Alien II tool & Road Morph pump. Full Gortex suit: Arc'teryx jacket Mountain Hardwear pants http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...n/000_0986.jpg Late Summer '09

Unclad Lad | 12-09-2009 05:56 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation My avatar is my ride--an Electra 3-speed Rat Rod!

serj | 12-09-2009 10:33 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation http://www.bikejournal.com/images/pj...69DSC00647.JPG Picked one of these up off craigslist last year. Good deal on it. It's a single speed so not the best for riding on the roads but if you plan to escape off road it's hard to compete against a 29er. They are made to tear up rough terrain. It's been great for guerrilla gardening trips.

Patriotme | 12-09-2009 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1689299) Just as an aside....I came across a site that make tires for bikes that are "airless" Maybe something worth looking into. http://www.airfreetires.com/
I rode about 40-60 miles per week for the last year and a half with no problems and then got two flats in one week. Go figure. I've bought the Slime Tubes and they do pretty good but they still go flat. I've set aside about 1/2 dozen tubes and a couple of patch kits. I recently saw a solid rubber tube for bikes at Wal-Mart. They just started carrying these in my area. They look interesting as you don't have to worry about flats. I wonder what the ride is like. Anybody have any experience using these.

CANUCKFARMER | 12-09-2009 11:47 PM
Re: Bicycles for Emergency Transportation YA YA YA mules,bikes stand beside da draft horse,and the term horse power.becomes clear.

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