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REV127 | 02-21-2007 06:05 PM
Area Of Denial Well, everybody has at least one idiot neighbor and unfortunately I'm no exception. My idiot neighbor got a new dog, of course some kind of pit mix. Pits are good dogs but seem to mostly appeal to the people least suited to own them. This thing decided to come on my property today. I always pack heat and I can kill a dog with my bare hands anyway so I wasn't particularly worried but the thing is a potential threat to my livestock, wife, company and it wouldn't stop barking. One of my good neighbors has some nice dogs and I wouldn't doubt the idiot neighbor's idiot dog wouldn't try to hurt them, too. It ran back onto its owners property and sat just on the other side of the fence barking its fool head off when I confronted it, so unfortunately that would not be a good shoot. I don't care if the thing lives or dies as long as it stays off my property so I went with an area of denial strategy. You may remember I'm a fan of Fox Labs pepper spray fog units. Well, I broke out my 1lbs unit and crop dusted my fenceline, my property only. Oddly enough the dog left the area and I haven't seen or heard from it since.

Tn...Andy | 02-21-2007 06:08 PM
Re: Area Of Denial Yeah.....that IS odd.....ahahahahaaaaaaaaa

REV127 | 02-21-2007 07:13 PM
Re: Area Of Denial Don't know those books/movies but I know a bit about handling large dogs. I think I will break out my paintball gun as I'm a crack shot with it, it has some range, is fairly quiet and will sting but won't kill. If the dog questions my alpha-ness when I'm not carrying my paintball gun then my Makarov gets to seal the deal. Honestly I'm not trying to preserve this dog, it will be a problem animal. The owner isn't a party to any of this. He didn't even live here when I moved in, he's the son of the equally idiot property owners, only the kid took it a step further by frying his brain on crack. After they let him out of the hospital he came to live with mommy, 25 years old. You rarely see or hear from him, but when you do he's either annoying from a distance with his bass tube or you might try talking to him. If you do you realize he has no mind and even though he isn't on anything at the momment he still has hallucinations or somesuch while you're talking to him. He drives, which I'm sure he's not supposed to. I figure either I'll get confirmation of that and call it in or he'll kill himself on the road, and hopefully nobody else. In the meantime I'll keep marking my territory. :wink:

drafter | 02-21-2007 07:21 PM
Re: Area Of Denial By any chance have you asked the owner to keep the dog on his property? Around here if the dog threatens my animals I can shoot it on site "legally", but I'm sure that wouldn't help my neighbor relations. Dogs do get out once in awhile too and accepting that fact I'd most likely notify the owner before shooting it, and if they're jerks I'd just trap the dog and have the "animal control" folks come and haul it off. That way they'll end up getting to pay a nice little fine and impound fee to get their dog back, which will hopefully motivate them to pay a little better attention. Remember, good fences make good neighbors and man is that the truth.

REV127 | 02-21-2007 07:32 PM
Re: Area Of Denial That trap isn't a half bad idea. I'm not exactly lusting after a chance to kill this dog, just seeing an eventuality. The neighbor can't be talked to or reasoned with, neither can the parents, so that isn't an option. I just let them have enough rope to hang themselves, sooner or later they'll slip up as the other bad seeds who used to live here did. When that happens I'll be there to make a quick phonecall and let the authorities do the dirty work. Then we'll get a good neighbor or buy the property ourselves, though there will be a lot of garbage to clean up. Copy that on fences. Our good fence isn't going up till this Summer most likely.

drafter | 02-21-2007 07:39 PM
Re: Area Of Denial Sounds like you've got the right idea anyways. At our old house after sending the dog off to the pound twice, they didn't keep it around for a third time. Seems like no matter were you go, there's always one neighbor who's a pain.

Au_Ag | 02-21-2007 07:50 PM
Re: Area Of Denial Quote:
Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 517440) That trap isn't a half bad idea....
In my city, the cat/dog people will bring out and leave a baited trap, then come pick up the trap with animal inside and take them to the pound. If you're not in such an area, feed and seed type places in my area carry "hav-a-hart" or similar style traps that close without damaging the animal. The larger the animal, the larger the trap and ensuing costs. If you buy one, they can be useful for other various animal trapping purposes

Lovemonster | 02-21-2007 08:12 PM
Re: Area Of Denial Rev, Call animal control...just make a report that the dog keeps coming over to your property in an agressive manner. It does not hurt to have a paper trail when the time comes. Just cover your bases is all. A small investment of time. Keep us posted because I know where this is headed.

REV127 | 02-21-2007 10:11 PM
Re: Area Of Denial Oh, I meant to say, the 1lbs unit doesn't give you as long of a sustained stream as you might think. I'm guessing maybe a little more than 10 seconds. The good news is the range is at least 30ft and there is enough pepper in there to treat more than a quarter acre. If they get the dog under control, turn down the bass and haul off the pile of garbage in their yard I'd hardly know these people were there, you don't see or hear them much. I'm highly respected out here, they're just a washed up Jerry Springer show. The kid isn't even a gangsta type, it's techno he's playing, just a stupid partier that got left for dead by his friends when he OD'ed. I don't believe they'd deliberately try to cause any trouble with me, especially since I'm known to pack heat and shoot on my property. As far as the garbage goes, you'd think I lived next to the Trash Heap from the Fraggles!

gunner | 02-21-2007 10:22 PM
Re: Area Of Denial It would be a shame if some mean spirited person coaxed the animal into his car or truck with some meat or treats and drove him 200 miles away to an animal control faciity in another town, after removing his collar. Might be difficult for the owner to reconnect with this well disciplined family pet.

REV127 | 02-22-2007 11:25 AM
Re: Area Of Denial Now that you mention it that would be a heartbreaker... Anyway, no dog today.

bigdaddy40 | 02-22-2007 11:43 AM
Re: Area Of Denial guy that lived behind us had a pit. i told him that i would absolutely shoot it if i found it on my property. neighbor next door went one step further. he cut up a sponge into little 1" pieces, poured gravy all over the pile and left it out massive vet bill

Alpine5654 | 02-22-2007 11:57 AM
Re: Area Of Denial Problem animal + cup of anti-freeze = no more problem

drafter | 02-22-2007 12:00 PM
Re: Area Of Denial Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpine5654 (Post 518276) Problem animal + cup of anti-freeze = no more problem
Why should the animal suffer a horrific prolonged death because of a stupid owner? Trap it, or shoot it if warranted. I wouldn't recommend games to drag it out. That just invites all kinds of legal troubles.

Alpine5654 | 02-22-2007 02:34 PM
Re: Area Of Denial Quote:
Originally Posted by drafter (Post 518279) Why should the animal suffer a horrific prolonged death because of a stupid owner? Trap it, or shoot it if warranted. I wouldn't recommend games to drag it out. That just invites all kinds of legal troubles.
Plausible deny ability. The owner can't prove how the animal ingested the anti-freeze. All the REV has to say is he was flushing the radiator in his car, went inside to have lunch, and the dog must have come on his property and drank it. Sorry, next time keep your animal on a lead. A bullet to the skull will lead to more legal trouble I think. The animals suffering would be unfortunate tho.

DrillAndFill | 02-22-2007 03:02 PM
Re: Area Of Denial I have met roughly 5,000 people I dislike, but there are only five or six dogs I can say that about.

Alpine5654 | 02-22-2007 03:15 PM
Re: Area Of Denial Quote:
Originally Posted by DrillAndFill (Post 518456) I have met roughly 5,000 people I dislike, but there are only five or six dogs I can say that about.
That is so true. I personally like most dogs. But, some breeds are violent and unpredictable. Pits are one of them. I haven't met one that I like yet.

stranger | 02-22-2007 03:33 PM
Re: Area Of Denial Hopefully you're on the road to solving the problem with your spray and the fence going up soon. Still, with livestock around, an undisciplined dog is going to do what undisciplined dogs do. I recommend S.S.S.-too bad you can't do that with the dog's owner instead.

AMforPM | 03-02-2007 08:38 PM
Re: Area Of Denial I finally had to shoot a dog under similar circumstances. It would come up to our place at night and run livestock through bob wire fences = injuries, midnight roundup. I talked to the creepy owners explaining the problem and asking they tie it up or bring it in at night. No soap. Animals that harm others' livestock are fair game so the next time the live stock thundered by, I took it out with my 12 ga. I was sorry for the dog as it was the owners' fault, but it had to be done. Once in town the literal owner of a junk yard had german shepherds he claimed he had trained himself. It was big 2 acre lots in town. Anyway 1 kept hopping the fence trying to keep me or anyone out of my barn. (These homes had horse lots.) All the other neighbors were scared of the prick and the dogs terrorized the neighborhood. It charged me one twilight by the barn and I yelled 'NO' and fired a 38 snubby in front of it. I had time to shoot to kill it if it leapt. It ran home and hopped back in its yard. About 2 hours later the jerk comes over smelling of beer to hassle me about trying to kill his dog. I told him if I had tried to kill his dog (charging me on my property), it would be dead and he'd better be thinking what would happen to him if his unconfined dogs harmed a child. No more trouble for any of us from AH or his poor dogs. I was glad I did not have to kill her. The roar and flame of that snub nose made her really sure I was alpha.

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