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randymatt | 09-06-2006 01:51 PM
Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer Anyone know of a good sealer, been through 2 cheapo food-savers. About a third of the time bags lost their seal after a few days, and I always triple seal. Plus you have to use their $$$ bags. Can't seem to find anything in between the plastic junk and the $$$ commercial ones. This one looks okay, it's their 'Entry Level', $2,500 - $ 4,000 depending on the options. http://www.alinesys.com/images/entry...er-2-large.jpg

sam | 09-06-2006 02:17 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer randy matt- I wonder if these would work for you. You can seal a bag. (from tubing), snip a corner, and suck most of the air out with a straw, then seal the corner. These manual (hand) heat sealers are bomb proof. They are available from many companies, online. The seam is about 3/16" wide, not a very narrow seam like a Seal-A-Meal. (Never had a FoodSaver.) I have used these commercial hand heat sealers for many years, but only to seal ordinary poly tubing. I don't know what FoodSaver bag material is, but poly will leak oxygen, albeit very slowly. For non-food or dry food items, heavy poly tubing plus an oxygen absorber packet might work. Or put dry food in a thin bakery bag, then heat seal in heavy poly. Or experiment with sealing FoodSaver bags/tubing with one of these. heatsealers.net dtnwn Edit- Checked the link and noticed that these days you can choose from a variety of seam widths, .... cool.

randymatt | 09-06-2006 02:40 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer Thanks Sam, have to check into this.

sam | 09-06-2006 02:56 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer BTW, these manual heat sealers will seal "ziplock" freezer bags, which I assume must be food-grade poly. dtnwn

TheSimpleton | 09-06-2006 03:07 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer Great idea to seal the corner. How do you seal without burning your lips? Can't get that close to a flat iron. There are mylar bags available, from WaltonFeed for example. A see-through layer of metal stops the O2 it seems. They are ziplock with an bottom open for sealing. Aloksak has medical-grade ziplocs, which are expensive, of course, but impervious even to outgassing of vapors. It's hard to beat squishing a heavy ziploc bag. Cheap, easy, no kit. TS

sam | 09-06-2006 03:14 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer TS- Yer kidding right? You snip just enough off a corner to insert a straw, my sister can do it without a straw (no jokes please :-)), then pinch the hole closed, and use a heat sealer to make a short diagonal seam just in front of the hole. dtnwn

aikitrader | 09-06-2006 03:52 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer If your not looking to spend a couple thousand on a vacumn sealer and you don't want to spend 50 cents a bag for the vacumn-sav'r This is around $100 The bags are much cheaper...but you do have to buy in bulk. But a decent sized bag is only 10 cents each. http://www.sorbentsystems.com/sinbosealer.html

randymatt | 09-06-2006 05:40 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer Quote:
Originally Posted by aikitrader (Post 351545) The bags are much cheaper...but you do have to buy in bulk. But a decent sized bag is only 10 cents each.
Wow! they got alot of stuff! :yippee: Even these are alot cheaper than F-S bags. (1gal F-S about $0.66) 10.0"x14.0" O.D. 3.5 mil Mylar Bags PAKVF3.5M 3.5 mils (1 gallon size / #10 can equivalent volume) http://sorbentsystems.com/images/Shield_520.jpg 1000 - $107.50 ($0.215 /ea)

Dude | 09-06-2006 06:23 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer I Like Tilia FS. For the past 6 years, I would take my big Tilia up to MN to package the homemade sausage for 4 families and walleye to take back down to Houston. It works great and when buying the bags on ebay it is fairly inexpensive bag wise. You can reuse the bags - they are strong (but I am lazy). I just used it this last weekend bagging 40 lbs. of ground beef. See ebay sample below. http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Tilia-Foodsa...QQcmdZViewItem My Dad bought a tilia like below this year. We compared the 2. The big one can work and work. The small one needs a 30 second break in between seals, but it does almost as well - vaccuum wise. http://cgi.ebay.com/Tilia-Foodsaver-...QQcmdZViewItem To me, the bigger one is worth it and will probably last longer. If you have a bagger person and a sealer person, it's nice not to have to wait 30 seconds in between seals. The bottle sealer capability is nice, as well.

randymatt | 10-07-2006 12:24 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer Quote:
Originally Posted by aikitrader (Post 351545) If your not looking to spend a couple thousand on a vacumn sealer and you don't want to spend 50 cents a bag for the vacumn-sav'r This is around $100 The bags are much cheaper...but you do have to buy in bulk. But a decent sized bag is only 10 cents each. http://www.sorbentsystems.com/sinbosealer.html
Just got mine :yippee: Also got a impulse sealer for the heavy 5mil mylar bags. Report to follow.

randymatt | 10-07-2006 06:21 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer 1 Attachment(s) Very nice for the money! Thanks again for the link aikitrader. :wavey: Got about 40 1 gal bags done this afternoon: :yippee:

sam | 10-08-2006 01:10 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer randymatt- I see that you bought an impulse sealer. After the timer cuts off the heat, KEEP HOLDING DOWN THE HANDLE until the seam cools down a bit (a few seconds). Try to pull the seam apart. With poly, the material will stretch and fail before the seam parts. If the seam isn't strong enough, increase the pulse duration a bit. With poly, you don't have to use a knife or scissors. Near the end of the heat cycle, while still holding down the handle, simply tear the material off one side. The same technique might work with Mylar, ... saves a ton of time, especially if you are using tubing rather than pre-made bags. You can use the impulse sealer on "Ziploc" poly bags. I do it to sort and store small parts. I am confused about the tradename Mylar, it seems to be used somewhat loosely these days. I thought Mylar had a strength bias, but now I read that it doesn't. At any rate, polyethylene film stretches, mylar should not.

randymatt | 10-08-2006 01:20 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer Quote:
Originally Posted by sam (Post 381368) After the timer cuts off the heat, KEEP HOLDING DOWN THE HANDLE until the seam cools down a bit (a few seconds). Try to pull the seam apart. With poly, the material will stretch and fail before the seam parts. If the seam isn't strong enough, increase the pulse duration a bit.
Thanks for that Sam, I found that out in my first test. The mylar bags are 5mil thick so I had to turn it up a bit. In my test I filled a bag half full of water then tried to break the seal by standing on it (185lbs) then jumping up and down on it :yippee: ,,, no stretch, no break!

sam | 10-08-2006 01:25 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer Randy- Wow, great! Ahm gonna have to get me some of those Mylar bags!

randymatt | 10-08-2006 01:34 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer Quote:
Originally Posted by sam (Post 381385) Ahm gonna have to get me some of those Mylar bags!
These are the ones I got: PAKVF4C 5.0 mils- Food Grade http://sorbentsystems.com/specs/pakvf4c.html Also it said the 2mm sealer would NOT seal them, you have to get the 5mm, I got this one: IPK-305H http://www.sorbentsystems.com/impulsesealers.html

sam | 10-08-2006 02:56 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer Thanks Randy I'll try the big sealer I have, if it doesn't work on 5 mil Mylar, I'll get the one you have. Edit: I see what you mean. I just checked. Mine is 12" but only 430 watt.

AMforPM | 10-08-2006 09:21 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer These look great. I had good luck with my food saver. Only 1 bag has lost its rock hard contents seal (loose beans or grain becoming brick like is my easy guide to the vacuum) and I have used it maybe 8 years and buy our grains, beans and meat in bulk and have gone through many many rolls of bags. We have used beans and grains sealed 5 years with no seal problems. It has been wonderful at stamping out freezer burn too. The bags are expensive though, and I want a backup since I have used this so much I figure it is bound to wear out eventually.

buff01 | 11-06-2006 12:49 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer So let me get this straight-- the TILIA foodsaver can seal the mylar bags as well? Or can it only do plastic?

buff01 | 11-08-2006 12:58 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer anyone know?

sam | 11-09-2006 04:57 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer Just received an impulse sealer and mylar bags, the same model number as Randy bought. (IPK-305H) Well, when I got the 1300 watt sealer, the packing docs indicated 1100 watts, and the sealer itself was marked with 800 watts. So I called up the supplier. They said try it, if it doesn't seal 5 mil mylar, we will get you one that will. I tired it and it works great. Yup, Randy I jumped hard on the bags, they held together perfectly. Besides a strong seam, the material is tough, if not nicked on an edge, I can only tear a bag open using considerable effort. dtnwn

AMforPM | 11-12-2006 04:19 PM
Re: Looking For Good Vacuum Sealer As far as I know my Food Saver is ONLY intended for its own brand and design of plastic bags. It has an attachment for vacuum sealing canning jars as well. I would not trust it with mylar myself. The bags are expensive, but on the plus side, tough and thick. I especially like the rolls because I can seal long items to protect them from water damage using the rolls. The 'bags' come as quart bags, gallon bags, and 2 widths of 'trim to suit' rolls.

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