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MNeagle | 06-10-2009 01:26 PM
Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Global Research, June 10, 2009 At least three US federal laws should concern all Americans and suggest what may be coming - mandatory vaccinations for hyped, non-existant threats, like H1N1 (Swine Flu). Vaccines and drugs like Tamiflu endanger human health but are hugely profitable to drug company manufacturers. The Project BioShield Act of 2004 (S. 15) became law on July 21, 2004 "to provide protections and countermeasures against chemical, radiological, or nuclear agents that may be used in a terrorist attack against the United States by giving the National Institutes of Health contracting flexibility, infrastructure improvements, and expediting the scientific peer review process, and streamlining the Food and Drug Administration approval process of countermeasures." In other words, the FDA may now recklessly approve inadequately tested, potentially dangerous vaccines and other drugs if ever the Secretaries of Health and Human Services (HHS) or Defense (DOD) declare a national emergency, whether or not one exists and regardless of whether treatments available are safe and effective. Around $6 billion or more will be spent to develop, produce, and stockpile vaccines and other drugs to counteract claimed bioterror agents. The Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness (PREP) Act slipped under the radar when George Bush signed it into law as part of the 2006 Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863). It lets the HHS Secretary declare any disease an epidemic or national emergency requiring mandatory vaccinations. Nothing in the Act lists criteria that warrant a threat. Also potential penalties aren't specified for those who balk, but very likely they'd include quarantine and possible fines. The HHS web site also says the Secretary may "issue a declaration....that provides immunity from tort liability (except for willful misconduct) for claims of loss caused, arising out of, relating to, or resulting from administration or use of (vaccine or other pharmaceutical) countermeasures to diseases, threats and conditions determined by the Secretary to constitute a present, or credible risk of a future public health emergency...." The industry-run US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) notoriously rushes inadequately tested drugs to market, putting their efficacy and safety into question, and turning those who use them into lab rats. It includes everyone if a mass vaccination is ordered on the mere claim of a public emergency - no proof required. The Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act (S. 3678) is the other worrisome law, effective December 19, 2006. It amended "the Public Health Service Act with respect to public health security and all-hazards preparedness and response, and for other purposes." Even its supporters worry about issues of privacy, liability, and putting profits over public health. Critics express greater concerns about dangerous remedies for exaggerated or non-existant threats as well as mass hysteria created for political purposes. At least one other measure is also worrisome - The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act (MSEHPA). So far it's just a proposal by the Center for Law and the Public's Health - "A Collaborative at Johns Hopkins and Georgetown Universities (as) a primary, international, national, state, and local resource on public health law (and) policy for public health practitioners, judges, academics, policymakers, and others." MSEHPA is now "track(ing) legal responses to the emerging international response to the 2009 H1N1 (swine flu) outbreak, including declarations of public health emergency at the international, national, state, and local levels...." even though forensic evidence can't confirm any H1N1 deaths. No emergency exists anywhere, and reporting one is all hype to sell dangerous drugs to unsuspecting people globally. On its web site, the ACLU says this about MSEHPA: It's "written in a way that doesn't adequately protect citizens against the misuse of the tremendous powers that it would grant in an emergency. (It's) replete with civil liberties problems. Its three top flaws are that: (1) It fails to include basic checks and balances (by) grant(ing) extraordinary emergency powers (that) should never go unchecked. (It) could have serious consequences for individuals' freedom, privacy, and equality." (2) "It goes well beyond bioterrorism (with) an overbroad definition of 'public health emergency" that may be anything a local or national authority declares for any reason with no conclusive evidence for proof. (3) "It lacks privacy protections (and) undercut(s) existing protections for sensitive medical information." MSEHPA worries other organizations besides the ACLU, both conservative and progressive - including the Free Congress Foundation, American Legislative Exchange Council, conservative association of state legislators, Human Rights Campaign, and Health Privacy Project. The Real Threat of Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations In the wake of the hyped Swine Flu scare, media reports suggest mass vaccinations are coming. The May 6 Kimberly Kindy - Ceci Connolly Washington Post one, for example, headlined "US May Add Shots for Swine Flu to Fall Regimen" without saying they'll be mandatory but reading between the lines suggests the possibility this year or later. The writers report that "The Obama administration is considering an unprecedented fall vaccination campaign" to include regular and Swine Flu shots, the latter because it's "spreading across the globe." HHS' Dr. Robin Robinson said "We are moving forward with making a vaccine," and if the government proceeds with a national program, enough supply will be produced to provide two doses for all Americans with spokespersons like National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Anthony Fauci, claiming adverse reactions aren't to be expected and adding another shot for Swine Flu "should not present a problem." The New York Times also hypes the scare with reports of city schools closed after unconfirmed Swine Flu cases, a few adult deaths blamed on H1N1 bringing the claimed total in the city to seven, and the World Health Organization (WHO) saying on June 3 that it's moving closer to declaring a worldwide (Level 6) Swine Flu pandemic - even though none exists. With all the hype, misinformation, and willful lies WHO's Dr. Keiji Fukuda, in charge of flu, said only 117 deaths globally have been "blamed" on Swine Flu and any warning may include the caveat that the virus isn't very lethal. A more accurate statement would explain that no forensic evidence links any deaths to H1N1, and influenza annually kills about 30,000 people in America alone - something the major media never report or that scattered accounts of any type flu deaths worldwide are no cause for alarm or reason for scary headlines. It's also unconscionable for the WHO, US and other nations' officials to spread lies, deception, and hysteria so major pharmaceutical companies can foist dangerous vaccines and other drugs on unsuspecting people, harming their health and making them vulnerable to later diseases and possible early deaths. Massachusetts May Be A Forerunner of What's to Come On April 28, the Massachusetts Senate unanimously passed a pandemic flu preparation bill that rises to the level of martial law. If approved by the House and signed into law, it will mandate among other measures: -- "vaccination, treatment, examination, or testing of" all individuals involved in providing health care - as perhaps step one before ordering the same process for all state residents; -- owners or occupiers of all premises "to permit entry into and investigation of the premises;" -- closure, evacuation, and decontamination of all suspected facilities; and -- restricting or prohibiting "assemblages of persons." Other states may be planning similar measures as precursors to mandatory nationwide vaccinations and overall suspension of civil liberty protections. Adverse Vaccination Effects on Gulf War Troops Before deploying to the Persian Gulf in 1990 - 91 (and thereafter to the present), all US troops got a standard series of inoculations against infectious diseases - the same ones given to all US citizens traveling to the region. After arriving, 150,000 also got anthrax vaccinations and 8000 botulinum toxoid ones even though concerns were raised about adverse long-term health consequences. A National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine (IOM) study was conducted to assess them with results released in September 2000. In December 1997, the Department of Defense (DOD) announced that all US military forces would receive anthrax vaccinations. The Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program (AVIP) began in March 1998 even though IOM found little published peer-reviewed scientific information on its safety. In its study, IOM reported evidence of an association between vaccinations studied and transient acute common health effects, including redness, swelling, and fever commonly associated with other vaccinations. However, conclusive proof of long-term problems wasn't determined - likely because study findings were skewed not to find them. More on that below. IOM also studied botulinum toxoid vaccines and found evidence of an association between the vaccine and transient acute local and systemic effects similar to anthrax vaccinations. Again, conclusive proof of long-term adverse health effects wasn't found - another very dubious conclusion as evidence below explains. Military personnel usually get multiple vaccinations. IOM studied their effects but didn't prove or disprove any long-term adverse effects. However several independent studies of British Gulf War veterans found some link between multiple vaccinations and later health problems. Gary Matsumoto is a New York-based award-winning investigative journalist. His 2004 book, "Vaccine A: The Covert Government Experiment That's Killing Our Soldiers and Why GIs are Only the First Victims" took sharp issue with IOM results and the Pentagon's denial of Gulf War syndrome. Investigating the shadowy vaccination development world, he discovered US military-employed doctors and scientists conducted secret medical experiments on US citizens in violation of the Nuremberg Code and fundamental medical ethics. For its part, Nuremberg established legal medical experimental standards now incorporated into ethical medical codes, including: -- requiring voluntary consent of human subjects without coercion, fraud, deceit, and with full disclosure of known risks; -- experiments should avoid "all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury;" -- experiments should never be conducted if there's "an a priori reason to believe death or disabling injury will occur;" -- risk "should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved..;" and -- experiments should be terminated if there's reason to believe they'll cause "injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject." According to Matsumoto, the Pentagon violated these and other standards, betrayed the troops, and the fundamental duty of military and civilian leaders to protect them. Since at least 1987, biowarfare development trumped the welfare of tens of thousands of GIs used as human guinea pigs for inoculation with experimental unlicensed anthrax vaccines containing squalene - an oil-based adjuvant (to enhance immunity) known for decades to cause severe autoimmune diseases in lab animals, yet administered involuntarily without disclosure of its harmful effects to human health. Matsumoto wrote: "The unethical experiments detailed in this book are ongoing, with little prospect of being self-limiting because they have been shielded from scrutiny and public accountability by national security concerns." He suggested the "writing (was) on the wall" of what's to come with prospects now it may be soon. "When UCLA Medical School's Michael Whitehouse and Frances Beck injected squalene combined with other materials into rats and guinea pigs back in the 1970s, few oils were more effective at causing the animal versions of arthritis and multiple sclerosis." In 1999, immunologist Dr. Johnny Lorentzen at Sweden's Karolinska Institute found that on injection, an "otherwise benign molecule like squalene can stimulate a self-destructive immune response," even though it occurs naturally in the body. Other research shows that squalene is the experimental anthrax vaccine ingredient that caused devastating autoimmune diseases and deaths for many Gulf War veterans from the US, UK, and Australia, yet it continues in use today and for new vaccines development in labs. There's a "close match between the squalene-induced diseases in animals and those observed in humans injected with this oil: rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus erythematosus." Other autoimmune diseases are also linked to humans injected with squalene. "There are now data in more than two dozen peer-reviewed scientific papers, from ten different laboratories in the US, Europe, Asia and Australia, documenting that squalene-based adjuvants can induce autoimmune diseases in animals...observed in mice, rats, guinea pigs and rabbits. Sweden's Karolinska Institute has demonstrated that squalene alone can induce the animal version of rheumatoid arthritis. The Polish Academy of Sciences has shown that in animals, squalene alone can produce catastrophic injury to the nervous system and the brain. The University of Florida Medical School has shown that in animals, squalene alone can induce production of antibodies specifically associated with systemic lupus erythematosus." Micropaleontologist Dr. Viera Scheibner conducted research into the adverse effects of adjuvants in vaccines and wrote: Squalene "contributed to the cascade of reactions called "Gulf War syndrome. (GIs developed) arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS, Raynaud's phenomenon, Sjorgren's syndrome, chronic diarrhea, night sweats and low-grade fever." Matsumoto's book includes numerous case studies of GIs afflicted with one or more of the above syndromes, their devastating effects, and the outlandish US government reaction - failing to acknowledge their existence or a connection between them and administered vaccines. Also denying the effects of other toxic Gulf theater exposures (like depleted uranium) as well as withholding meaningful treatments or protocols. US Army Captain George L. Skypeck spoke eloquently for many when he said: "Was the character of my valor less intense than those at Lexington? Was the pain of my wounds any less severe than those at Normandy? And was my loneliness any less sorrowful than those at Inchon? Then why am I forgotten amonst those remembered as 'heros?' " If mass vaccinations are ordered, millions of Americans may ask: Why do you keep using unsafe vaccines and other drugs when clear evidence shows their dangers? Why do you jeopardize all Americans by unleashing a future plague of serious illnesses, diseases, and disabilities? Why have you willfully and maliciously ruined my health? Immunologist Dr. Pamela Asa first recognized autoimmune diseases showing up in GIs that mirrored those in lab animals injected with oil formulated squalene adjuvants. By 1997, hundreds of millions of dollars had been spent testing vaccines containing them, in animal studies since 1988 and human clinical trials since 1991 - by leading research institutes like NIH, the National Cancer Institute, and the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). According to Matsumoto, today, "Squalene adjuvants are a key ingredient in a whole new generation of vaccines intended for mass immunization around the globe" even though researchers at Tulane Medical School and the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research proved "that the immune system responds specifically to the squalene molecule." The immune system "see(s) and recognizes it as an oil molecule native to the body. Squalene is not just a molecule found in a knee or elbow - it is found throughout the nervous system and the brain." When injected in the body, the immune system attacks it as an enemy to be eliminated. Eating and digesting squalene isn't a problem. But injecting it "galvanize(s) the immune system into attacking it, which can produce self-destructive cross reactions against the same molecule in the places where it occurs naturally in the body - and where it is critical to the health of the nervous system." Once self-destruction begins, it doesn't stop as the body keeps making the molecule that the immune system is trained to attack and destroy. Immunologist Dr. Bonnie Dunbar also did extensive research on hepatitis B-inflicted illnesses and found similar autoimmune processes involved in molecular mimicry in people with devastating neuroimmune syndromes after getting vaccine injections. Matsumoto says "Squalene is a kind of trigger for (a) real biological weapon," what Soviet researchers called "a biological time bomb!!" and Matsumoto says is "the immune system." When its "full repertoire of cells and antibodies (attack) tissues they are supposed to protect, the results can be catastrophic." He and Dr. Pam Asa conclude that "Oil adjuvants are the most insidious chemical weapon ever devised," including ones with squalene - something the Soviets knew could be used as a weapon in the 1980s. Matsumoto says that "the real problem with using squalene (isn't) that it mimics a molecule found in the body; it is the same molecule. So what American scientists conceived as a vaccine booster (or what's now being developed in labs) was another 'nano-bomb,' instigating chronic, unpredictable and debilitating disease. When the NIH....argued that squalene would be safe because it is native to the body, just the opposite was true," and, of course, still is. "Squalene's natural presence in the body made it one of the most dangerous molecules ever injected into man" and using it in vaccines is outlandish and criminal. So why does Washington sanction its use? According to Matsumoto: "scientists in the United States are now literally invested in squalene. Army scientists who developed the second generation anthrax vaccine have reputations to protect and licensing fees to reap (as well as) worldwide rights to develop and commercialize the new recombinant vaccine for anthrax" and ones for other health threats. Disturbingly, "Many of the cutting-edge vaccines currently in development by the NIH and its corporate partners contain squalene in one formulation or another. There is squalene in the prototype recombinant vaccines for HIV, malaria, herpes, influenza (including the swine strain), cytomegalovirus and human papillomavirus." Some of these "are intended for mass immunization(s) around the globe" and that possibility should terrify everyone enough to refuse any mandate or doctor's prescription to take them. Another problem is that "Autoimmunity (takes) years to diagnose" because early symptoms (headaches, joint pain, etc.) are so vague they can easily be from other causes. From inception, vaccines have always been dangerous enough for some experts to call them biological weapons undermining health, manipulating and crippling the immune system, and creating the possibility of future debilitating diseases. So Big Pharma's solution is new, more potent genetically engineered vaccines and drugs that may end up harming or killing many who take them, especially people with weakened immune systems. Matsumoto and others sounded the alarm to alert everyone to avoid these poisons masquerading as protective drugs. In fact, they benefit only the bottom lines of companies that manufacture them and scientists reaping generous royalties. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...rticleId=13925

Conk | 06-10-2009 05:30 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations The evidence is overwhelming. Vaccines do not work and are not necessary. Dear God, why don't people use their minds and stop trusting allopaths?!

Jimfrancisco | 06-10-2009 06:52 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Read less scary paranoid sites, and more legal statutes, law, anything except that crap... vaccines may not be something you agree with, but they are never going to FORCE you to take them unless you are a healthcare worker (and the gvmt don't want them falling sick from any dodgy injections) - because they simply don't have anywhere enough vaccine to do it, and probably never will.

Glass | 06-10-2009 07:32 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations May 1, 2009 -- U.S. authorities are pledging to eventually produce enough swine flu vaccine for everyone, but the shots couldn't begin until fall at the earliest. http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/0...u-vaccine.html

Twisted Avatar | 06-10-2009 07:52 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations 1 Attachment(s) Think of the Children........

Heimdhal | 06-10-2009 08:00 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1763648) Read less scary paranoid sites, and more legal statutes, law, anything except that crap... vaccines may not be something you agree with, but they are never going to FORCE you to take them unless you are a healthcare worker (and the gvmt don't want them falling sick from any dodgy injections) - because they simply don't have anywhere enough vaccine to do it, and probably never will.
Youre right, governments have never forced anyone to do anything against their will, whether they were equipped or not.............:thumb.aspx:

ImaCannin | 06-10-2009 10:40 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations 1 Attachment(s) The gooberment is good! Attachment 72170

RJB | 06-10-2009 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ImaCannin (Post 1763976) The gooberment is good! Attachment 72170
So is all caring, big-pharma :)

ImaCannin | 06-10-2009 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RJB (Post 1764006) So is all caring, big-pharma :)
I take all the big pharma's medi-sins. I use to take one years ago, the commercial on tv listed all of the side effect, one side effect being : "gassy oily discharge" I have to admit, this gassy oily discharge, (we called it a GOIL) was my favorite. There was noting like going shopping and having a GOIL attack. I always wondered why everyone would look at me strange and back off. After all it was only a GOIL. :sarc:

Twisted Avatar | 06-11-2009 07:55 AM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by ImaCannin (Post 1764008) "gassy oily discharge" I have to admit, this gassy oily discharge, (we called it a GOIL) was my favorite. There was noting like going shopping and having a GOIL attack. I always wondered why everyone would look at me strange and back off. After all it was only a GOIL.
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Awoke | 06-11-2009 10:19 AM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations LOL @ goil

goldbug | 06-11-2009 10:25 AM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations We're fortunate that that big pharma has been exempted from liability from making vaccines, otherwise they might be reluctant to force - push the goodness

grinningdog | 06-11-2009 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Conk (Post 1763532) The evidence is overwhelming. Vaccines do not work and are not necessary. Dear God, why don't people use their minds and stop trusting allopaths?!
They seem to have worked very well with smallpox and polio or do you have some other explanation?

goldbug | 06-11-2009 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by grinningdog (Post 1764538) They seem to have worked very well with smallpox and polio or do you have some other explanation?
Dr Tenpenny has very detailed analysis at her website http://drtenpenny.com/default.aspx From my understanding an infectious disease has a pattern in the population. It has an initial stage where a few are infected, then a growth phase, then it peaks and drops off . . . the charts showing this are not unlike a stock chart when the polio vaccines were inroduced, there was a brief spike in cases, then it continued on the downward slope on the graph that already existed

grinningdog | 06-11-2009 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by goldbug (Post 1764563) Dr Tenpenny has very detailed analysis at her website http://drtenpenny.com/default.aspx From my understanding an infectious disease has a pattern in the population. It has an initial stage where a few are infected, then a growth phase, then it peaks and drops off . . . the charts showing this are not unlike a stock chart when the polio vaccines were inroduced, there was a brief spike in cases, then it continued on the downward slope on the graph that already existed
We have discussed this explanation before on this site. Polio like other diseases has peaks and troughs in cases in a given year. Polio dropped like a rock after the mass vaccination programs. Just look at the facts its self explanatory. I know as I was one of the first vacinated for polio.

goldbug | 06-11-2009 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by grinningdog (Post 1764598) We have discussed this explanation before on this site. Polio like other diseases has peaks and troughs in cases in a given year. Polio dropped like a rock after the mass vaccination programs. Just look at the facts its self explanatory. I know as I was one of the first vacinated for polio.
\ here is some data, instead of basing my view on the old "because I said so" ego thing http://www.whale.to/a/graphs.html take a look and then speak more in case you do not like that source, its very well documented http://www.alternative-doctor.com/va...obomsawin.html

goldbug | 06-11-2009 01:14 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Here's some "official" charts. http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/concepts/intro6.htm scroll down and look at polio. the vaccines were clearly introduced after polio had peaked in the population and had a very steep decline on the chart. many of the other charts "start" shortly before vaccines were introduced. Look and find data with a longer timeline and you may be surprised what you see

ImaCannin | 06-11-2009 01:39 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations What you have to look at is what was in the polio vaccine way back then, compared to what is in the polio vaccine now. I do believe that way back then it was not cow pus and monkey brains and heavy metals. Look up the meaning of immunization and vaccination.

Jimfrancisco | 06-11-2009 03:49 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Look up what's actually in modern vaccines - you might be surprised. No more nasty metals. If you drink milk, you are drinking cow pus. Monkey brains - I don't know, do you eat scrapple?:wink: As for the "Groil" - why not just eat less and exercise more, rather than continuing to shovel food down your gullet and shit out grease at the worst possible time?

Jimfrancisco | 06-11-2009 03:54 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Quote:
Originally Posted by goldbug (Post 1764563) Dr Tenpenny has very detailed analysis at her website http://drtenpenny.com/default.aspx From my understanding an infectious disease has a pattern in the population. It has an initial stage where a few are infected, then a growth phase, then it peaks and drops off . . . the charts showing this are not unlike a stock chart when the polio vaccines were inroduced, there was a brief spike in cases, then it continued on the downward slope on the graph that already existed
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Background and Training Dr. Tenpenny is a graduate of the University of Toledo in Toledo, Ohio. She received her medical training at Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine in Kirksville, Missouri. Dr. Tenpenny is Board Certified in Emergency Medicine and Osteopathic Manipulative Medicine. Prior to her career in alternative medicine, Dr. Tenpenny served as Director of the Emergency Department at Blanchard Valley Regional Hospital Center in Findlay, Ohio, from 1987 to 1995. In 1994, she and a partner opened OsteoMed, a medical practice in Findlay limited to the specialty of osteopathic manipulative medicine. In 1996, Dr. Tenpenny moved to Strongsville, Ohio, and founded OsteoMed II, expanding her practice and her vision of combining the best of conventional and alternative medicine.
My, she seems pretty qualified to speak about vaccines and infectious diseases. And like the best brain surgeons, she also sells a range of CDs and DVDs!

Jazkal | 06-11-2009 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1765072) Look up what's actually in modern vaccines - you might be surprised. No more nasty metals.
You do not know what you are talking about. How the Mercury in Vaccines Can Kill Your Baby Flu Vaccines for Children Still Contain Mercury Why do Drugmakers Still Defend the Use of Mercury in Their Vaccines? The Danger of Excessive Vaccination During Brain Development

MagpieFairy | 06-11-2009 06:59 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations "Forced" anything is not what I pay taxes for..... MY body... *I* should be able to refuse a vaccine if I so choose.

thorgrim | 06-12-2009 12:33 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1765072) Look up what's actually in modern vaccines - you might be surprised. No more nasty metals. If you drink milk, you are drinking cow pus. Monkey brains - I don't know, do you eat scrapple?:wink: As for the "Groil" - why not just eat less and exercise more, rather than continuing to shovel food down your gullet and shit out grease at the worst possible time?
Eating cow puss and monkey brains is a lot different then injecting it directly into the blood stream. When you eat something it is broken down by the digestive system and then must pass through the intestinal wall and liver before entering the blood stream. By then it is usually rendered harmless (or almost) to the body. Direct injection is completely different and can wreak havoc on the immune system.

Jimfrancisco | 06-12-2009 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jazkal (Post 1765124) You do not know what you are talking about.
Are you incapable of doing some basic research, rather than reading trash sites written by paranoids? Quote:
Furthermore, all new vaccines licensed since 1999 are free of thimerosal as a preservative.
I don't think they are going to be using a ten year old vaccine for a new virus, given that it didn't even exist at the time.

Jimfrancisco | 06-12-2009 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by thorgrim (Post 1766715) Eating cow puss and monkey brains is a lot different then injecting it directly into the blood stream. When you eat something it is broken down by the digestive system and then must pass through the intestinal wall and liver before entering the blood stream. By then it is usually rendered harmless (or almost) to the body. Direct injection is completely different and can wreak havoc on the immune system.
You've never heard of Kuru, then?

Jazkal | 06-12-2009 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1766894) Are you incapable of doing some basic research, rather than reading trash sites written by paranoids?
No, I have done lots of research, I was just giving you some quick links from a MEDICAL DOCTOR who is an EXPERT on the subject. Go ahead and only look at one side of the argument, you seem to be real good at that. I'm done with you.

Twisted Avatar | 06-12-2009 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MagpieFairy (Post 1765406) "Forced" anything is not what I pay taxes for..... MY body... *I* should be able to refuse a vaccine if I so choose.
WHEN SOMETHING IS FORCED (IN PARTICULAR TO MY BODY) THAT IS TANTAMOUNT TO BEING RAPED. PERIOD END OF STORY. T

rezop | 06-12-2009 03:26 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations It's not about whether or not the vaccine is going to help. It's about having the right to say NO.

Jimfrancisco | 06-12-2009 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1766903) WHEN SOMETHING IS FORCED (IN PARTICULAR TO MY BODY) THAT IS TANTAMOUNT TO BEING RAPED. PERIOD END OF STORY. T
I think that's pretty offensive to rape victims, TA...

Jimfrancisco | 06-12-2009 03:44 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazkal (Post 1766899) No, I have done lots of research, I was just giving you some quick links from a MEDICAL DOCTOR who is an EXPERT on the subject. Go ahead and only look at one side of the argument, you seem to be real good at that. I'm done with you.
The guy is an osteopath and his website is covered in advertising. I think that stamps the wax seal on the scroll. He's a shill, out to take money from people foolish enough to believe him.

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goldbug | 06-12-2009 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1766945) The guy is an osteopath and his website is covered in advertising. I think that stamps the wax seal on the scroll. He's a shill, out to take money from people foolish enough to believe him.
You are wrong about so many things . . . in so many ways

Jimfrancisco | 06-13-2009 01:31 AM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Buy the DVD set! The whole package! Because that's what all ethical doctors sell, right? They aren't scaremongering at all, and you haven't fallen for it, not one bit!

____hoot____ | 06-13-2009 05:36 AM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations This coming pig flu "vaccine" is not only going to have squalene in it but also nice little dog RABIES proteins. What do you say about that? Did you ever wonder just how they were going to produce all those crazed zombies? Well, they have been working on it.

Twisted Avatar | 06-13-2009 08:08 AM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1766936) I think that's pretty offensive to rape victims, TA...
I ceretainly dont mean to be offensive to them. But the truth of matter is both parties are being forced to do something against there will. And the way how things are going ...... I fully expect those who resist "mandatory" vaccinations to be held down so they can be injected. So my analogy may not be that far off. But still.........My apologies to anyone if I ruffled feathers with that comment. T

goldbug | 06-13-2009 08:36 AM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations take a peek http://www.naturalnews.com/026434_va...cinations.html "Watch Out for Flying Syringes, GMO Food Vaccines, and Forced Vaccinations"

Awoke | 06-13-2009 08:46 AM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1766894) I don't think they are going to be using a ten year old vaccine for a new virus, given that it didn't even exist at the time.
The vaccinations they giving people now are for viruses that don't exist yet, so what's the difference really? Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1766894) Are you incapable of doing some basic research, rather than reading trash sites written by paranoids?
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Originally Posted by Jazkal (Post 1766899) No, I have done lots of research, I was just giving you some quick links from a MEDICAL DOCTOR who is an EXPERT on the subject. Go ahead and only look at one side of the argument, you seem to be real good at that. I'm done with you.
Jim, I suggest you do a video search for "Tolerance Lost" and watch it. Then search out and read the thread on GIM entitled "Zero Autism in non-vaccinated children" or something to that effect. Until you do that your opinion will mean nothing to anyone that has looked into the adverse effects of these vaccinations, so you're wasting your time labelling anyone as a "paranoid".

Jazkal | 06-13-2009 12:38 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Here I'll help you out Jimfrancisco: Tolerance Lost
Tolerance Lost
NO AUTISM In Never-Vaccinated Children

specsaregood | 06-13-2009 12:59 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1766894) Furthermore, all new vaccines licensed since 1999 are free of thimerosal as a preservative.
Perhaps, but what the hell else is in them? 1. The W.H.O. using a tetanus "vaccine" to sterilize young women in 3rd world countries. The vaccine was contaminated with: hCG hormones This is a govt office discussing this:http://www.akha.org/content/vaccinat...oidscandal.pdf Or more info: http://www.thinktwice.com/birthcon.htm

DMac00 | 06-13-2009 01:02 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWfCnjnShnM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWfCnjnShnM

Jimfrancisco | 06-13-2009 06:38 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1767799) I ceretainly dont mean to be offensive to them. But the truth of matter is both parties are being forced to do something against there will. And the way how things are going ...... I fully expect those who resist "mandatory" vaccinations to be held down so they can be injected. So my analogy may not be that far off. But still.........My apologies to anyone if I ruffled feathers with that comment. T
Didn't offend me - but the president of my mom's painting group (pictures, not walls!) said something along the same lines once, and he was torn to bits by a bumch of women in their 50's. He actually left in tears...:biggrin:

Jimfrancisco | 06-13-2009 06:42 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Quote:
Originally Posted by Awoke (Post 1767818) The vaccinations they giving people now are for viruses that don't exist yet, so what's the difference really?
You lost me right there. It is impossible to create a vaccine for a virus that does not exist. Therefore, you and your theories are null and void.

gunDriller | 06-14-2009 03:02 PM
Re: Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations Quote:
Originally Posted by RJB (Post 1764006) So is all caring, big-pharma :)
and MonSanto ! :553: i guess if it becomes mandatory, knowing a nurse & doctor that would be willing to give you an injection of saline and sign the paperwork saying you got the vaccination - those are good people to know. i don't trust the vaccine makers, the vaccine regulators, or the vaccine delivery system.

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