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wtshtf1 | 01-22-2008 07:41 AM
Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides With more people carrying guns, self-defense killings on increase By Christopher Conley Saturday, January 5, 2008 http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...ying-homicide/ The number of justifiable homicides in Memphis jumped from 11 in 2006 to 32 in 2007. No one is sure why, but one man has a theory. "The thugs have started running into people who can protect themselves," said Tom Givens, owner and instructor at the firearms training school RangeMaster, 2611 S. Mendenhall in Memphis. Police detectives and prosecutors don't think it's that simple, and they acknowledge the spike could be a one-time occurrence. "It's hard to put your finger on it," said police Lt. Joseph Scott. "There are more handgun carry permits, there is more education, but you can't say that's the reason." More people are getting carry permits and more people know their rights. As many as 35,000 people in Shelby County have carry permits, which means they have had some training on the laws governing self-defense........... http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...ying-homicide/

Toxa | 01-22-2008 08:03 AM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides They also would have to look at how many got ccw in 2007. Look at the crime rate and see if it went up or down. Only then we can justify the ccw. Any how it doesn't mater we( not me) have "right to keep and bear arms"

Tn...Andy | 01-22-2008 10:47 AM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides I dunno.....statistics are a tricky thing. For example, you could look at the increase as about a 300% increase !! wow...sounds like there are bodies dropping all over Memphis.... Or you could look at it as there are about 1 million people in Memphis and an increase of 21 self defense killings is only a .0002% increase. You could probably make a case last year was a record number of days over 100 degrees in Memphis and that was the cause.

tlannum | 01-23-2008 10:50 AM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides I don't have a "license"...i don't need one .......CCW is "already legal".....good news though.......I like open carrying like Texas,Arizona,NM....prevents probs before they start....if you wear a sidearm here...the pigs will shoot on sight :smokin:

PandaMonium | 01-23-2008 01:59 PM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides How about: Increase in justifiable homicides = Decrease in habitual offenders. :D

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 01-23-2008 02:43 PM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides LE officials never seems too jazzed about CCW, do they? And small wonder: the existence of armed citizens ready to defend themselves with firearms threatens the police department's "protection" racket, and the government's monopoly on lethal force.

mike77777 | 01-23-2008 07:52 PM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides looks like 21 fewer citizens murdered. averted being robbed by having pistol when i drove cab in west palm beach fla. passenger dropped his knife and fled.

mike77777 | 01-23-2008 07:58 PM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides step one, get rid of lawyers and use common sense.

77shovelhead | 01-24-2008 02:00 AM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides tlannum, After doing a little research I find that it is a criminal offence to carry in the state of Tn. without a permit. Am I mistaken?

WAoG | 01-24-2008 02:18 AM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides Quote:
Originally Posted by 77shovelhead (Post 933596) tlannum, After doing a little research I find that it is a criminal offence to carry in the state of Tn. without a permit. Am I mistaken?
Bet that didn't take long. If he wants to put a pistol in his pocket I bet he just does it. I bet he says screw them and their illegal fake laws. You going to turn yours in went hitlery wants your guns?

Waylon | 01-24-2008 02:58 AM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides Memphis was a city in dire need of more CCW's. That place is Detroit the Second. I often wish the Mississippi River would re-route itself and make Memphis part of Arkansas (don't laugh, it is possible ... West Tennessee sits on a major fault). It would save the state a sh_t-load of tax revenue!

Tn...Andy | 01-24-2008 06:31 AM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides How true.....every time we get a fight on about a proposed state income tax, somehow, busloads of welfare queens manage to get to Nashville to lobby for "mo hep". The difference between east TN and west TN is like night and day. Shovelhead: You are not mistaken. The State constitution says we have the right to keep and bear arms, BUT the legislature "shall have the power to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime". Next time we have a constitutional convention, THAT is one phrase that needs to go.....

Waylon | 01-26-2008 11:29 AM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides Quote:
TN...Andy: The difference between east TN and west TN is like night and day.
Literally!

mtnman | 01-26-2008 01:10 PM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides I�ve always thought that East Tennessee, SE Kentucky, Western North Carolina and Western Virginia should be incorporated into one state, the State of Franklin. Those areas have nothing in common with the rest of there states.

Waylon | 01-27-2008 02:13 AM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides Tried that already (sorta) ... lost out by one friggin vote! Would have been a great state....

Squirrel Bait | 01-27-2008 08:06 AM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides Illinois is like that too. Chicago controls the vote on everything and takes the majority of taxes and its nothing like the downstate rural areas. SB

eyeofliberty | 01-27-2008 09:03 AM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 938656) Illinois is like that too. Chicago controls the vote on everything and takes the majority of taxes and its nothing like the downstate rural areas. SB
Ditto for Oregon. Friggin' Multonomah County (Portland) enviro-socialists carry the vote for the rest of the state, pissing off rural Oregonians.

TechGuy | 01-27-2008 09:17 AM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides Quote:
Originally Posted by tlannum (Post 932222) I don't have a "license"...i don't need one .......CCW is "already legal".....good news though.......I like open carrying like Texas,Arizona,NM....prevents probs before they start....if you wear a sidearm here...the pigs will shoot on sight :smokin:
Texas does not have open carry. It is CCW only. I think you can openly carry a shotgun in your car with license, but that is about it.

elroy | 01-27-2008 08:44 PM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides When I got my first CCW here in Indiana I talked to the county sheriff. He had to sign the permit and he liked to take a minute to speak with people getting their first permit. He credited CCW and gun ownership in general with keeping Illinois criminals from crossing over into Indiana to commit crimes. The western edge of our county is only 5 miles from the Illinois state line. I think the idea that LE in general opposes gun ownership by citizens comes mostly from big city chiefs who are politically motivated.

<SLV> | 01-27-2008 09:40 PM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides Colorado allows anyone to open carry. It is best done quietly and seldom, however, because people will freak out and call the police because they don't understand the laws. Once you get a CCW permit in Colorado it is a general understanding that you are forfeiting your right to open carry. This depends on the local Sheriff and his policies. Each Sheriff is required to permit for concealed carry, but they have a lot of leaway in the policies for their county.

Baphomet Jones | 01-27-2008 11:58 PM
Re: Memphis, TN: More Legal CCW's = More Justifiable Homicides Quote:
Originally Posted by WAoG (Post 933612) Bet that didn't take long. If he wants to put a pistol in his pocket I bet he just does it. I bet he says screw them and their illegal fake laws. You going to turn yours in went hitlery wants your guns?
"But you must remember, my fellow-citizens, that eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing. It behooves you, therefore, to be watchful in your States as well as in the Federal Government." -- Andrew Jackson, Farewell Address, March 4, 1837 No State shall convert a liberty into a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor. -Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 US 105 If the State converts a right (liberty) into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right (liberty) with impunity. -Shuttleworth v. City of Birmingham Alabama, 373 US 262 An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation as though it had never been passed. -Norton v. Shelby County, 118 US 425

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