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Dave | 02-12-2008 11:50 PM
Have you bump-fired your rifle before? I have been doing this for years but finally got around to recording it. For those of you not familiar with "bump-firing" it is the use of a gun's recoil and a particular grip method to simulate full-auto fire with a semi-automatic weapon. Being that I use no external or internal mechanism, this is totally legal and quite entertaining. I have personally done this successfully with AK-47's using 75 rounds drums as well as 30 round magazines as I did in this video. In addition, I have successfully bump-fired most centerfire rifles including AR-15, SKS, FAL, M1As, etc. One point I would like to articulate, there is NO TACTICAL use for this since it is difficult to do in a prone position or while moving. Enjoy: <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/sukhWrRRDPU&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/sukhWrRRDPU&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object> Dave

shades2 | 02-13-2008 06:58 AM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? Good clean fun, but a waste of ammo, and doesn't improve the shooter's skills at all.

Dave | 02-13-2008 08:34 AM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 965938) Good clean fun, but a waste of ammo, and doesn't improve the shooter's skills at all.
Indeed! However, if you are smart, when people ask you to do it, use "their gun and ammo" :D Interesting story, I was at the range and like clockwork one of my friends wants me to drop a mag down range before we leave. Well this time, there are about 10 young 18 to 20 year olds several positions down from us. Any ways, I burn through a mag and immediately thew swarm around me thinking I have a full auto. I explain to them it is not and it is just a technique. One of them gives me the typical "no way dude" so I said "if you don't believe me, hand me your AK (it was a SAR) and I will do it worth yours." Well he hands me the weapon and like most weapons I have to get a feel for it so the first 3 rounds went then I stopped and then dumped the other 27 rounds. Naturally their eyes lit up and spent the next 10 minutes using up ALL of their ammo trying to do what I did. By this time I was packed up and ready to leave. They noticed I had several cases of ammo and one asked if I would sell them some. :D Well, about a 1,000 rounds later I made enough two buy back another 3,000 rounds! I made a good profit and they all had a great time, so not a bad day! Dave

shades2 | 02-13-2008 11:19 AM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave (Post 965996) Indeed! However, if you are smart, when people ask you to do it, use "their gun and ammo" :D Interesting story, I was at the range and like clockwork one of my friends wants me to drop a mag down range before we leave. Well this time, there are about 10 young 18 to 20 year olds several positions down from us. Any ways, I burn through a mag and immediately thew swarm around me thinking I have a full auto. I explain to them it is not and it is just a technique. One of them gives me the typical "no way dude" so I said "if you don't believe me, hand me your AK (it was a SAR) and I will do it worth yours." Well he hands me the weapon and like most weapons I have to get a feel for it so the first 3 rounds went then I stopped and then dumped the other 27 rounds. Naturally their eyes lit up and spent the next 10 minutes using up ALL of their ammo trying to do what I did. By this time I was packed up and ready to leave. They noticed I had several cases of ammo and one asked if I would sell them some. :D Well, about a 1,000 rounds later I made enough two buy back another 3,000 rounds! I made a good profit and they all had a great time, so not a bad day! Dave
Hah, well I guess there is an up-side to everything! :) Very good technique shown there actually, that seems faster than a regular full auto!

rurounikitsune | 02-13-2008 11:32 AM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? The only thing I can picture is Barbara Boxer showing this video to some Senate subcommittee after proposing the next semiautomatic assault weapons ban. Wolves are migrating back west out of the Caucasus into Europe. Only a matter of time before our own wolves, coyotes and big cats come back... bad news for anyone with goats or sheep. Every new stupid gun law is going to make it harder to hit running predators, especially the ones who hunt in packs. Can you aim that thing while you're firing it? :D Refine that technique until you can mow down coyotes and I'll hire you to train me...

<SLV> | 02-13-2008 11:33 AM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? Dave, can you explain the technique?

SilverCity | 02-13-2008 11:51 AM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? Bump-firing made easy... YouTube - bump fire
YouTube - bump fire
YouTube - M1 Garand Bump fire
YouTube - M1 Garand Bump fire
YouTube - Bulgarian Krinkov pistol w/ 75rd drum (bump-fire)
YouTube - Bulgarian Krinkov pistol w/ 75rd drum (bump-fire)

Goldhedge | 02-13-2008 11:57 AM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? Wow! That sure would disperse a crowd.

JJ_ | 02-13-2008 12:07 PM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? that garand vid was impressive... sounded like a BAR firing... that was SchWEET I feel a range trip coming...

Dave | 02-13-2008 12:17 PM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 966218) Hah, well I guess there is an up-side to everything! :) Very good technique shown there actually, that seems faster than a regular full auto!
I am getting about 750 + or - rounds a second pretty consistently with my polytech. That rate will very based on gun and caliber. Dave

Dave | 02-13-2008 12:28 PM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 966248) Dave, can you explain the technique?
The basic concept of the technique is that you need to maintain a rigid trigger hand and the other hand will slowly pull the weapon against the trigger finger and maintain the proper pressure as the recoil causes a slight back and forth action of the whole weapon while of course your trigger finger stays at the same relative location. You will quickly learn that there is a balance you have to achieve when pulling the weapon forward. If you pull it too hard or too soft you will only get one shot off. When you are in proper balance you will burn through a mag without stopping. You will notice a lot of people will get 3, 5, 9 round burst since they are either over or under compensating. I have found that weapons pretty much have a "rate of fire" and there is really no way to adjust how fast it will fire with your technique. I have found AKs have anywhere from a 400 to 800 rps rate where I can achieve higher rates with AR-15s 900+ rps. I have seen a lot of people use the "trigger finger through the belt loop" technique but would advise against it since you overall have less aim control over the weapon. I personally have been practicing using this technique from the shoulder and from the prone position though it is significantly more difficult and would recommend against it as first timers. Over all, when you get pretty good at it, you can have surprisingly good aim. I personally have no problem maintaining an 18 inch target area at 75 yards. Not bad for bump-firing. Dave

Dave | 02-13-2008 12:32 PM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? Quote:
Originally Posted by rurounikitsune (Post 966245) The only thing I can picture is Barbara Boxer showing this video to some Senate subcommittee after proposing the next semiautomatic assault weapons ban. Wolves are migrating back west out of the Caucasus into Europe. Only a matter of time before our own wolves, coyotes and big cats come back... bad news for anyone with goats or sheep. Every new stupid gun law is going to make it harder to hit running predators, especially the ones who hunt in packs. Can you aim that thing while you're firing it? :D Refine that technique until you can mow down coyotes and I'll hire you to train me...
With practice you can actually get pretty good aim. I mentioned in a post above that I can keep an 18 inch or less target area at 75 yards while bump-firing. I also will often draw lines back and forth on the berm to demonstrate control. Dave

Prometheus | 02-13-2008 06:06 PM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? Great shooting Dave! When I can manage to do an entire clip it's all over the place... too bad the price of ammo is likely to curtail much more bump practice ;)

Dave | 02-13-2008 09:27 PM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? :D I love new ideas. I will definitely give the rubber band technique a try. Thank you for the YouTube! Dave

shades2 | 02-13-2008 11:39 PM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ ShortStroke (Post 966304) that garand vid was impressive... sounded like a BAR firing... that was SchWEET I feel a range trip coming...
Heh. Yeah love the sound of the M1 Garand. He pointed it downward first I notice and let the recoil push it upright. Might get an ejected clip in the face doing that though.

DogFarm | 02-14-2008 12:12 AM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? dude, that rubber band idea was worth the price of admission this evening. fur sure.

gunner | 02-14-2008 12:21 AM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? Quote:
Originally Posted by skytrooper (Post 967141) Here it is: http://<object width="425" height="3...mbed></object>
Skytrooper - always a pleasure !!!!!! Thanks for posting - I've gotta try that !! :D:D:D:D

GoldWampum | 02-14-2008 12:32 AM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? Quote:
Originally Posted by DogFarm (Post 967396) dude, that rubber band idea was worth the price of admission this evening. fur sure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gunner (Post 967402) Skytrooper - always a pleasure !!!!!! Thanks for posting - I've gotta try that !! :D:D:D:D
I'm liking that idea too. heh.

CQC McDuck | 02-14-2008 01:06 AM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? Quote:
Originally Posted by skytrooper (Post 967141) Here it is: http://<object width="425" height="3...mbed></object>
Bad@$$! :D:s9::D

The Argent Dragon | 02-14-2008 08:57 AM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? Skytrooper - great find !..........I'll need to try this technique out right away :applause_ :s9: :wink:

Codger | 02-14-2008 01:27 PM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? I think if I tried this at my local range I would get tackled, then tased, then handcuffed and my stuff would be confiscated. Then the BATF would raid my house and all my guns would be tested for rate of fire and I would pass but in the process my stuff would be destroyed and I would have to make friends with an attorney. I need a gravel pit!

andrey32 | 02-14-2008 01:56 PM
Re: Have you bump-fired your rifle before? Living in California, and shooting an AK looking rifle (saiga), I feel the same way as you do Codger....

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