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noelephant | 12-29-2006 09:09 AM
Ammo prices - 10% increase I received this e-mail from www.fsguns.com - a local gun store. "It’s hard to believe but ATK (makers of Federal, American Eagle, CCI, Speer and other brands) is increasing their ammunition prices by 10% on January 1, 2007. We can hold our current prices for now but will have to increase them as new merchandise arrives. Stop by and pick up a few extra boxes and save." It might be a good time to stock up. :) Can anyone verify this information? I don't have time to research it right now.

thorgrim | 12-29-2006 10:20 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase If that is true I better stock up soon. I was going to buy a few thousand each of the calibers I shoot.

thorgrim | 12-29-2006 10:22 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase What do you guys think of ammo as an investment? In a few years do you think you would be able to sell at a profit?

gunner | 12-29-2006 10:23 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by thorgrim (Post 457844) What do you guys think of ammo as an investment? In a few years do you think you would be able to sell at a profit?
I do, especially if the dems get their way and start taxing, and banning once Hillary is installed

sammydogs64 | 12-29-2006 10:33 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase I just recently purchased a firearm that shoots 7.62x39 and that ammo has been going up continuously as well as getting very hard to find. Sportsman guide just emailed me saying my order on ammo was back ordered to 3-17-07, I canceled it and went to cheaperthandirt. A 1 year old sportsmanguide catalog has 7.62x39 for $68 for a 640 round tin, now it is $89 and unavailable.

Ghost Recon | 12-29-2006 11:30 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase I think that lead is a very good investment. Not only will it keep going up in price but it's just a matter of time till congress taxes it like gas or cigaretts. Wait till Hitlary or similar decides to ban the importation of all ammo and firearms into this country by executive order. Prices will skyrocket over night. Buy now....by the case....

Quixote2 | 12-29-2006 12:09 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase I ordered some Federal ammo from Cabella's yesterday and the @#$%'s put the 07 price increase into effect sometime in the last week.

Tn...Andy | 12-29-2006 01:25 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by thorgrim (Post 457844) What do you guys think of ammo as an investment? In a few years do you think you would be able to sell at a profit?
Without a doubt as an investment....as to a 'profit' I don't know, you will probably only stay even with inflation perhaps, but that is preservation of capital in real items. I like it. Also guns. I fully expect the Democrats here to fire up the "assault weapons" ban and Shrub is already on record as saying he would sign it, so they don't really even have to wait for Hillary to be coronated. I bought 2 AK's and 2 Ruger 10/22 in stainless last month, and one of my goals for 2007 is a gun a month.

gunner | 12-29-2006 01:36 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase A good way to avoid the hazards of lead poisoning and negative environmental impacts are to buy steel core ammo :D ...not to mention it's an easy one for the ban list - non-sporting use

thorgrim | 12-29-2006 02:39 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Did some checking around my area. Seems some places have already increased the price. Found some still at a good price. Going to pick it up now. Thanks for the "heads up." :D

Big_Rob | 12-29-2006 02:51 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by gunner (Post 458022) A good way to avoid the hazards of lead poisoning and negative environmental impacts are to buy steel core ammo :D ...not to mention it's an easy one for the ban list - non-sporting use
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=62999693

gunner | 12-29-2006 03:36 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase That was cruel - posting a link to a closed ammo auction :bawling: In actuality - I'm pretty set, although my biggest problem has always been impulse buying (gun and ammo only...and now PM)

RR_58 | 12-29-2006 03:41 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Still $160 per thousand delivered: http://www.johnsvtgunshop.com/

REV127 | 12-29-2006 04:15 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Some of the runup really is due to diverted production and even a little gouging. Sadly much of it is also inflationary, it's showing up in goods and services before its officially reflected in the involved currencies, though we are aware of it through sources such as the metric formerly known as m3.

RiverRat | 12-29-2006 04:26 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase :eek: Dudes ! We had a thread on this four months ago... Tn..Andy and I stocked up right then before the crunch. I bought about 3K worth of assorted ammo from CTDirt right under the wire before the price increases. Looking at their website today...what I bought then would cost me about $600.00 more for the same order today. So my ammo appreciated faster than my silver in value. :D :D :D :D :D Look for more price increases...the Dems would love to fire up the assault weapons ban again and restrict all ammo sales to a couple boxes a year for JSP...I can see overtones of gun sales being restricted also. Andy...that's a hell of a good idea. :coolbeer: :coolbeer: I got 3 Ruger 10/22's with a dozen Ramline 30 shot mags and you can throw some fast,serious lead if need be...cheap,but effective for those pesky,starving sheep who plan to rush the old compound in force. :D :D :D :D If that don't work I got a couple of 9mm MACs with 3 dozen extra 50 shot mags...for close work. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: Might be able to swing a decent gun every two weeks at the pawn shop...they're cheap now and plentiful. Any pistol or long gun will be gold if the Dems get their way... Start buying now...before it's too late.

Abouthadit | 12-29-2006 05:09 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Roger on the "buy it now". For those of ya'll in JawJa: http://www.eastmangunshows.com/ I figure one Krug will swap for an AK and about 1000 rds. :banana: ok, make that 2000 rds.

Prometheus | 12-29-2006 05:40 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by RR_58 (Post 458137) Still $160 per thousand delivered: http://www.johnsvtgunshop.com/
I wouldn't buy jack from that nutjob. I reccomend others don't either. Plenty of other places at better prices.

TomD | 12-29-2006 08:08 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase I've loaded every centerfire round that I've shot in the last 2-1/2 decades. The only component that has gone up is bare bullets and that is because of copper and lead increases. I'm now paying $220 per thousand for match grade 6mm bullets Vs $180 a year ago and $300/thousand for .30 cal. Primers, powder and brass haven't changed much. Brass has stayed in the $.40-$.50 range for Lapua in most calibers though it is mostly copper. Brass competes with primers at $.018/round as being the cheapest component because you can use it over and over, as many as 30 times for some calibers. If they decide to go after loaders, look for restrictions on primers, everything else can be made or adapted. I tend to keep around 5K on hand, not because of any paranoia but that's about a 8 month supply for me. The main thing that slows down my shooting is that maybe only one in four (or less) of my $400 match grade barrels is capable of match winning accuracy, and they loose their edge in 1200-2000 rounds. Some calibers like .308 will last to around 3500 rounds, some like 22-250 or 220 Swift will burn a barrel in 1000 rounds.

smullen | 12-29-2006 08:28 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Prices are up here too from the last time I bought.... My usual spot was out of Bulk .223 and 7.62 :censored: I had to go to fricken Bass Pro Shop and pick up a few 200rnd boxes... You can never have to much ammo...

Wyldwil | 12-29-2006 09:50 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase There is not a lot of .308 around anywhere.... picked up 3 S.African "battle-packs" at a recent gun show. Wasn't too bad. I think I paid $45 each (160 rds.)

Tn...Andy | 12-29-2006 10:04 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 458222) I wouldn't buy jack from that nutjob. I reccomend others don't either. Plenty of other places at better prices.
And don't drink the Koolaid if you get a free pack with your ammo.

Maddie | 12-30-2006 02:09 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase I predicted the price increase and availability issues early enough to stock up pretty well, but now there's that awful "which ammo should I shoot today" dilemma. You KNOW your rifle likes, say, Portuguese .308 best or even some lovely Aussie stuff, and you really want to spoil her (she's such a nice gun), but you know you'll never see that wonderful ammo again, and if you shoot yours up, it's gone gone gone, and wouldn't you like to have the most accurate ammo stored away just in case the SHTF in a nasty Mad Max kind of way, but then you'd have to shoot inferior stuff TODAY, and for God's sake, stop being so set on instant gratification, but it you weren't so impulsive and so set on instant gratification, you wouldn't have bought all these cases everyone said you were foolish to spend so much money on in the first place, and ha! I'll bet those b@$tards are sorry they called you nuts now that it's almost twice the price, if they can get it at all...:D You wouldn't believe how long it takes me to get ready to go to the range. I just stand there in front of the ammo cases, wracked with indecision. My husband says, "You know, if you were a NORMAL woman, you'd be standing in front of your closet, staring at a pile of shoes, but noooooo...." :haha: Oh yeah, and if any of you don't already reload, it's time to learn!

smullen | 12-30-2006 09:25 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 458876) I predicted the price increase and availability issues early enough to stock up pretty well, but now there's that awful "which ammo should I shoot today" dilemma. You KNOW your rifle likes, say, Portuguese .308 best or even some lovely Aussie stuff, and you really want to spoil her (she's such a nice gun), but you know you'll never see that wonderful ammo again, and if you shoot yours up, it's gone gone gone, and wouldn't you like to have the most accurate ammo stored away just in case the SHTF in a nasty Mad Max kind of way, but then you'd have to shoot inferior stuff TODAY, and for God's sake, stop being so set on instant gratification, but it you weren't so impulsive and so set on instant gratification, you wouldn't have bought all these cases everyone said you were foolish to spend so much money on in the first place, and ha! I'll bet those b@$tards are sorry they called you nuts now that it's almost twice the price, if they can get it at all...:D You wouldn't believe how long it takes me to get ready to go to the range. I just stand there in front of the ammo cases, wracked with indecision. My husband says, "You know, if you were a NORMAL woman, you'd be standing in front of your closet, staring at a pile of shoes, but noooooo...." :haha: Oh yeah, and if any of you don't already reload, it's time to learn!
The world could use a few (make that alot) more women like you!!!!

Maddie | 12-31-2006 12:35 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by smullen (Post 459113) The world could use a few (make that alot) more women like you!!!!
I'm picturing 1000s of women engaged in a post-Christmas ammo sale shopping frenzy...:haha: That stuff would be so gone it'd be a decade before you saw any more .308! "OMG! You get the cutest little ammo case FREE when you buy this South African .308!!! I'm getting two! Ohh! Look at the price of THIS ammo! I'm taking it! Do you think I can find a rifle to match it? I LOVE what Fulton Armory does with their M14s..." Oops. Gotto go. I think there are some radical liberal feminists beating down my door. They're yelling, "No! No! No! You're doing the feminist thing all WRONG! Step away from the ammo...don't you know ammo suppresses poor people..., and stop pointing that phallic symbol at us! It's not loaded, is it?" My keyboard really should make me take a breathalyzer for caffeine before allowing me to type....

elroy | 12-31-2006 12:59 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase The really cheap 762x39 has been gone for a while. The word is that the Bush administration and the military ordered up tens of millions of rounds for the Afghan army/police. Most of this ammo comes from 2 plants in Russia so the majority of their production was diverted to this order. Bush and company wanted to stock up the Afghans in case congress tried to put a stop to funding for the fighting there. This coupled with the increase in metals prices accounts for the high prices.

Abouthadit | 12-31-2006 01:28 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 459470) I'm picturing 1000s of women engaged in a post-Christmas ammo sale shopping frenzy...:haha: That stuff would be so gone it'd be a decade before you saw any more .308! "OMG! You get the cutest little ammo case FREE when you buy this South African .308!!! I'm getting two! Ohh! Look at the price of THIS ammo! I'm taking it! Do you think I can find a rifle to match it? I LOVE what Fulton Armory does with their M14s..." Oops. Gotto go. I think there are some radical liberal feminists beating down my door. They're yelling, "No! No! No! You're doing the feminist thing all WRONG! Step away from the ammo...don't you know ammo suppresses poor people..., and stop pointing that phallic symbol at us! It's not loaded, is it?" My keyboard really should make me take a breathalyzer for caffeine before allowing me to type....
:applause_ ::clap2::coolbeer: You GO girl. BTW: love those green (olive drab) purse (backpack) and matching pumps (boots). :proud:

wallew | 01-02-2007 02:57 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Elroy, The contract that you speak of (100 million rounds of 39 & 54) was finished around June 06. Which does NOT explain the costs being kept high. It's a supply and demand type of thing. As long as people are willing to plunk down their hard earned PM's, then this will continue. If you didn't buy your stuff right after Katrina (like my wife INSISTED I do), then you are going to pay anywhere from 100% - 300% more than you would have then. Good luck. Keep your ammo dry. Stored properly, I've shot surplus ammo that's fifty years old. With no problems. BUT if it's been stored improperly, it might not even be good for anything but pulling the bullets.

gunner | 01-03-2007 09:13 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy (Post 459487) The really cheap 762x39 has been gone for a while. The word is that the Bush administration and the military ordered up tens of millions of rounds for the Afghan army/police. Most of this ammo comes from 2 plants in Russia so the majority of their production was diverted to this order. Bush and company wanted to stock up the Afghans in case congress tried to put a stop to funding for the fighting there. This coupled with the increase in metals prices accounts for the high prices.
Nice to know that I'm paying for amuunition for the iraqi police. I'll make sure that I cheer extra loud the next time I read a story about another cashe of "terrorist" ammo blown up.:mad: So what exactly does that iraqi oil money pay for?

Ghost Recon | 01-07-2007 10:20 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase I just looked at the latest sale circular from Dick's Sporting Goods. It looks like ammo went up about $1/box of 50 for Remington UMC. Glad I stocked up over the last couple of years.

Abouthadit | 01-07-2007 10:31 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Hey GR: isnt Dick's retail?? Have your shopped at Aim Surplus or Cheaper Than Dirt? Semper Fi Phil

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Halophyte | 01-07-2007 11:21 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase To diversify my supplies I bought a box of brass shotshells for my little 410. You can reload pretty cheap without all the expensive equipment using smokeless or black powders and large pistol primers. Also found out the 444 Marlin Brass makes for cheap 410 brass but only makes 2 inch shells ..

money matters | 01-09-2007 02:24 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Halophyte, Are you shooting slugs? I would think that for the price of 50 new .444 marlin brass, you could get a couple hundred used .410 hulls. If you can shoot .410s in a T/C Contender 45 Colt barrel, maybe you can shoot .45 Colts in your .410???? (I dunno, but I'm guessing.) Seems like if you are crimping the .444s over a cardboard wad to hold a charge of shot, you are working that brass extremely. I bet you don't get as many loads from rifle brass as you would from plastic hulled cases. I know that there is some old-timey interest in brass cases for shotgunning, but aside from the romantic age-gone-by mystique, what is the advantage? Speer makes shot capsules for .357 & .429 ctgs. Maybe they make them for .452s? I don't see much use for a .410 anyway. Kind of a parlour weapon, like a .22 CB or Short. Way more expensive than a 20ga. Hardly any varied loadings because the diameter is too small to hold a decent load of shot. Arguably better than a Revolver loaded with shot loads , but WAY INFERIOR to a .20 ga. Damn fun to shoot, but so special purpose that it is beyond me to justify owning one. I have said for years on this forum, that owing reloading gear is essential. Not only to keep your own firearms functioning, but also to aid your neighbors, and have a barter skill/service to trade to others. None of this stuff is going to ever be cheaper. If you have a hoard of PMs, but are lacking the gear you will need in the days ahead, you are simply negligent.

Reno Chris | 01-09-2007 02:34 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase For those that reload, might as well stock up on lead as well. All commodities are going up, but my real concern is that the government will declare lead some kind of toxic poison and regulate or ban its sale. Chris

Ghost Recon | 01-09-2007 02:57 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by Abouthadit (Post 466286) Hey GR: isnt Dick's retail?? Have your shopped at Aim Surplus or Cheaper Than Dirt? Semper Fi Phil
The sales at Dick's are hard to beat. The last time I went in was during a sale. The manager saw what I had and and gave me an extra 10% off. The 45ACP was $8.xx per box of 50 and the 9mm worked out to $4.xx per box. I think I saved something like $265. Compared to today's prices that savings is probably more like $350 - $400. I noticed that the .45acp really went up.

Halophyte | 01-09-2007 03:28 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by money matters (Post 468125) Halophyte, Are you shooting slugs? I would think that for the price of 50 new .444 marlin brass, you could get a couple hundred used .410 hulls. If you can shoot .410s in a T/C Contender 45 Colt barrel, maybe you can shoot .45 Colts in your .410???? (I dunno, but I'm guessing.) Seems like if you are crimping the .444s over a cardboard wad to hold a charge of shot, you are working that brass extremely. I bet you don't get as many loads from rifle brass as you would from plastic hulled cases. I know that there is some old-timey interest in brass cases for shotgunning, but aside from the romantic age-gone-by mystique, what is the advantage? Speer makes shot capsules for .357 & .429 ctgs. Maybe they make them for .452s? I don't see much use for a .410 anyway. Kind of a parlour weapon, like a .22 CB or Short. Way more expensive than a 20ga. Hardly any varied loadings because the diameter is too small to hold a decent load of shot. Arguably better than a Revolver loaded with shot loads , but WAY INFERIOR to a .20 ga. Damn fun to shoot, but so special purpose that it is beyond me to justify owning one. I have said for years on this forum, that owing reloading gear is essential. Not only to keep your own firearms functioning, but also to aid your neighbors, and have a barter skill/service to trade to others. None of this stuff is going to ever be cheaper. If you have a hoard of PMs, but are lacking the gear you will need in the days ahead, you are simply negligent.
I'm using Magtec 410 brass and 444 Marlin brass, 303 British can be fireformed to use as shotgun shells too. Since the pressures are much lower than rifle pressures the cases last almost indefinitely and seldom need resizing. I don't crimp my brass, I use paper overshot wads (stiff paper) and white glue to seal it. I don't shoot slugs out of my full choke guns but I do get to mix up shotloads that you can't find locally. I use FFg black powder, all shotgun loads were originally black powder loads, drams/ounces. My standard load is 40 grains pushing 5/8 ounce of #8 or BBs. You can spice it up by making your own 'buck shot', mine is three pistol mini balls ... .

RR_58 | 01-09-2007 03:54 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by Halophyte (Post 468185) I'm using Magtec 410 brass and 444 Marlin brass, 303 British can be fireformed to use as shotgun shells too. Since the pressures are much lower than rifle pressures the cases last almost indefinitely and seldom need resizing. I don't crimp my brass, I use paper overshot wads (stiff paper) and white glue to seal it. I don't shoot slugs out of my full choke guns but I do get to mix up shotloads that you can't find locally. I use FFg black powder, all shotgun loads were originally black powder loads, drams/ounces. My standard load is 40 grains pushing 5/8 ounce of #8 or BBs. You can spice it up by making your own 'buck shot', mine is three pistol mini balls ... .
Thanks for that information...I'll have to try it.

Anty Ep | 01-09-2007 04:13 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase I dont see a ten percent increase as a big deal, esp since if the market wont support it, the increase will evaporate I shoot IDPA or USPSA max four times a year, if that, and maybe one IPSC match. '06 was a tough year for me to get out, but that's been the average the past few years. Tops. Get out there and plink not more than once or twice. annually, I shoot maybe 500-700 rounds of 45 or so, and maybe 500 of 223 and-or 308, and maybe a handful of other stuff like 12 ga birdshot loads and a few slugs, maybe a handful of ammo on a handful of other pistol calibers to0. this is not a big expenditure. when I used to "plink" instead of shoot comp, I used to burn though ten times more ammo, and I was about half the shootist I am now. Focus your efforts on time-efficient practice and you'll benefit both your skills and pocketbook

extremist | 01-09-2007 11:09 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Gas prices have gone up way more than 10% recently, yet tons of people at my range still arrive in massive SUVs and trucks for no good reason. I doubt these same people will even notice a 10% increase in what they pay for ammo.

Anty Ep | 01-10-2007 08:43 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by extremist (Post 468631) Gas prices have gone up way more than 10% recently, yet tons of people at my range still arrive in massive SUVs and trucks for no good reason. I doubt these same people will even notice a 10% increase in what they pay for ammo.
a good reason to drive an SUV is if you already have one. the price of a new car is a major ripoff compared to a little bump in gas

extremist | 01-10-2007 05:29 PM
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shades2 | 01-13-2007 09:06 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Ammunition will always go up in price if there is a war on, lead has to be mined too, and to make it cost effective it usually has to be a deposit that is not just lead but other base metals that are worth something like copper. Hasn't perhaps shown the same growth as PMs, but still not going to depreciate in value for the popular calibres, and will outpace inflation. Does anyone know how long you can store rounds safely? I would think a fairly long time. Don't have my firearms license just yet, will be applying for that in the next few months. Gun safe etc. is all ready. Then I can import my SIG and get my license and bring both guns home. Australian gun laws are tough even for sporting shooters. Once I'm licensed I can stock up on ammo.

Anty Ep | 01-13-2007 09:07 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 473269) Does anyone know how long you can store rounds safely? I would think a fairly long time. .
DECADES if kept dry

extremist | 01-15-2007 07:59 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 473272) DECADES if kept dry
True for standard lead primers, but only a few years for lead-free primers like those in "green" ammo.

hoarder | 01-15-2007 08:16 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by extremist (Post 475170) True for standard lead primers, but only a few years for lead-free primers like those in "green" ammo.
Thanks. Got any links on that topic?

extremist | 01-15-2007 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 475184) Thanks. Got any links on that topic?
A quick search doesn't seem to turn up much on this, but basically the problem is usage of aluminum styphnate primers in green ammo. Unlike lead styphnate, these tend to oxidize, especially if kept unsealed. A bit of relevant info is at http://www.search.com/reference/5.7_x_28_mm_cartridge (see the description of SS195LF).

Anty Ep | 01-16-2007 09:00 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by extremist (Post 475170) True for standard lead primers, but only a few years for lead-free primers like those in "green" ammo.
what is that? I sense that I do not shoot too much of this. lol

Ghost Recon | 01-16-2007 11:34 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 475652) what is that? I sense that I do not shoot too much of this. lol
I also wondered what green ammo is. Does it save energy? Or maybe it's a more humane way to kill someone? I'm sure I have none of it in my pile.....

eat_beef | 01-16-2007 12:22 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase There isn't any "green ammo" on the street...yet. The goobermint has a plan to convert all their ammo to "green", I think it was already supposed to go into effect, but hit some sort of a snare. Prolly something to do with the fact that keeping up appearences in the sandbox requires having ammo that actually fires.:rant: Green ammo will be safer for the environment. It only costs 4x as much and is half as effective/reliable.:banghead:

extremist | 01-16-2007 08:08 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Recon (Post 475860) I also wondered what green ammo is. Does it save energy? Or maybe it's a more humane way to kill someone? I'm sure I have none of it in my pile.....
It's lead-free and non-toxic, such as with copper/aluminum bullets and aluminum styphnate primers. Some is available on the street (e.g., Dynamit Nobel 9mm and FN SS195LF 5.7x28).

Anty Ep | 01-17-2007 09:42 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by extremist (Post 476466) It's lead-free and non-toxic, such as with copper/aluminum bullets and aluminum styphnate primers. Some is available on the street (e.g., Dynamit Nobel 9mm and FN SS195LF 5.7x28).
Non-toxic eh what will they think of next? How toxic is it to somebody who dies from getting shot?

Abouthadit | 01-17-2007 09:59 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase From Nancy Levant via Sierratimes.com this morning: "The global government movement was designed by the wealthiest men in our world. It was designed to support their corporations, their foundations, their opinions, and the continuance of their family dynasties. It was designed to merge their corporate powers with and into governmental powers. It was designed to hand themselves total control of the world�s wealth, which means land." When TPTB turns their weapons loose on the civilian population so they can protect their precious, pristine wildernesses, they will not have to worry about lead poisoning of their snail darters or other so-callled endangered critters. Gotta reduce the numbers of them pesky humans first. :musicus:

eat_beef | 01-17-2007 10:02 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase .45 is much more toxic than 9mm.:aetsch::D

Scorpio | 01-17-2007 10:17 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase It was funny as heck, yesterday the media was making a HUGE issue about some guy who had 500 rounds of ammo, as if he was expecting an invasion with those few rounds. I found it so hard to believe that they actually thought 500 rounds was a lot.

Abouthadit | 01-17-2007 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Scorpio (Post 477128) It was funny as heck, yesterday the media was making a HUGE issue about some guy who had 500 rounds of ammo, as if he was expecting an invasion with those few rounds. I found it so hard to believe that they actually thought 500 rounds was a lot.
The non-gun owner sheeple will believe anything they are told. To me 500 of any one calibre is not a lot. :beer:..... it is a necessity. :elefant:

extremist | 01-18-2007 04:32 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Non-toxic ammo is good for toddlers, young children, and pregnant women, since early exposure to lead can adversely affect brain development. Of course, you also need to make sure they shoot either outdoors or at a range with adequate ventilation, don't ingest fired bullet fragments picked out of targets, wash their hands after handling ammo and reloading materials, etc.

Halophyte | 01-18-2007 07:01 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpio (Post 477128) It was funny as heck, yesterday the media was making a HUGE issue about some guy who had 500 rounds of ammo, as if he was expecting an invasion with those few rounds. I found it so hard to believe that they actually thought 500 rounds was a lot.
I guess that means purchasing a tin of pellets for an airgun is extreme.

noelephant | 01-18-2007 07:54 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Watch out everyone! I have an arsenal... a huge stockpile! http://www.streleckyservis.cz/images/22FEDERAL550KS.JPG Why would I EVER need this many rounds?

Halophyte | 01-18-2007 07:58 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase No you don't, they're "Federal 22s" .... guarantee half misfires ....

Abouthadit | 01-18-2007 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Halophyte (Post 478223) No you don't, they're "Federal 22s" .... guarantee half misfires ....
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

RR_58 | 01-19-2007 03:54 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Today I picked up a brick of American Eagle .22 ammo...$15 per brick. Then I noticed on the box "400 Cartridges"(instead of the usual 500). My first thought was they had packed 8-50 round boxes in instead of the usual ten so when I got home I opened the brick...there were ten boxes inside-Each with 40 rounds!!! ...Price per brick stayed the same while the quantity went down 10%.

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Tn...Andy | 01-19-2007 05:26 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase They did the same thing with candy bars years ago. Bummer, ain't it ?

Abouthadit | 01-19-2007 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RR_58 (Post 480151) Today I picked up a brick of American Eagle .22 ammo...$15 per brick. Then I noticed on the box "400 Cartridges"(instead of the usual 500). My first thought was they had packed 8-50 round boxes in instead of the usual ten so when I got home I opened the brick...there were ten boxes inside-Each with 40 rounds!!! ...Price per brick stayed the same while the quantity went down 10%.
Actually the quantity went down by 20%, even worse. :eek: Try to find a 16oz "pound" of coffee.. same thing.

gunner | 01-19-2007 05:43 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Quote:
Originally Posted by RR_58 (Post 480151) Today I picked up a brick of American Eagle .22 ammo...$15 per brick. Then I noticed on the box "400 Cartridges"(instead of the usual 500). My first thought was they had packed 8-50 round boxes in instead of the usual ten so when I got home I opened the brick...there were ten boxes inside-Each with 40 rounds!!! ...Price per brick stayed the same while the quantity went down 10%.
Yeah but the price stayed the same so they didn't have a price increase :withstupi

Bill | 01-20-2007 12:13 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase I expect prices to remain very high. Ammo producers like ATK are part of the MIC:bandit: , so the raping will continue. I propose we dump their ammo, and switch to these: http://www.bigborebob.com/bobspics/a.jpg Welcome to Big Bore Bob's Welcome to new realm airguns. a new concept in the airgun world, we do not subscribe to proprietary secrets nor market capturing techniques. Our sole purpose is to bring the community into a 21st century understanding of airgun construction and concept. Here we will discuss such things as trans-sonic airflows, convergent divergent nozzles and their application to inter duct flow dynamics. Metallurgical manipulation and the application of today�s materials into the continuing rich history of air gunning that began centuries ago. Titanium is the primary material we will be striving to bring into this industry, with the current alloys available the weight of a conventional layout rifle may be reduced by a factory of one half without compromising the safety factors we all hold to. With recent developments in cryogenic metal processing we can build a titanium barrel with wear characteristics equal to or exceeding that of it�s typical mild steel counterpart. There is no idea too far fetched, or outside of the box. Some of the current projects we hope to bring to fruition in the coming months include: The Mariner Pistol: The Ti- Rex double side by side rifle. A rifle shaving the in-field weight by 30 percent and still delivering two completely autonomous rifles each with the power to cleanly take your game. http://www.bigborebob.com/:laugh:

keehah | 07-30-2007 10:51 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Buying shotgun shells will put a bigger hole in your wallet Prices continue yearlong increase with no relief in sight By Mike Leggett AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Sunday, July 29, 2007 http://www.statesman.com/sports/cont...729legcol.html If you haven't bought shotgun shells in a few months � and most people have not � you're in for a surprise when you buy a few boxes along with your hunting license next month. Prices have been going up for at least a year, and they will go up again in September. Overall, prices on shotgun and rifle shells, along with components for loading, have increased more than 50 percent since Sept. 1. I stopped by McBride's Guns to get a lesson in shotgun trading last week from "Old Easy." Old Easy is what Joe McBride calls himself when he's working a customer, which he knows how to do. He knows the market, and he knows his market, in this case my weakness for Model 23 Winchester side-by-side shotguns. I had a very fine Weatherby Athena in 28 gauge that was a wonderful gun, but it just didn't quite fit me. Joe had an older Model 23 Pigeon Grade in 20 gauge, English stock, bored modified and improved. "You need this gun," he said. He was right. But when we got to talking shotgun shells, I was stunned to learn how much prices have increased. "Since Sept. 1, we've had six price increases, and there's another 15 percent increase coming in September," McBride said. "We absorbed the first one or two, but then we had to raise prices ourselves." Remington, Federal and Winchester, the major shotshell manufacturers in this country, are all raising prices, citing the rapidly escalating cost of metals, mostly lead, essential to shell production. However, copper, steel and bismuth shotshells also increased during the same period. Fuel price increases have forced up the cost of shipping and delivering the shells, and war-time contracts have created competition for materials and manufacturing time. Other manufacturers have gotten in on the increases. Spain-based Rio, the largest shotshell manufacturer in the world, has a reputation for producing a high quality, less costly line of shells. The ammo is good and the prices are competitive, but the shells will sell for $5.50 a box this year, McBride said, after going for about $4 a box last hunting season. Target loads for 12 and 20 gauge that cost $4 a box just one year ago will sell for $5.50 per box, he said. Field loads that sold for $3.48 a box last year are $5 now. Those are significant increases that might not have shown up yet for a guy who buys a case of shells every August and has some left over to start the next year. The price increases will mount for dove hunting operations or for people who shoot all the time, especially trap and skeet gun club members, even though it's not keeping them out of the market so far. "It hasn't scared people off," McBride said. "They're still buying. But it worries you that people will (not) be able to afford shells." I think people find a way to afford what's important to them. I can afford to buy a case of shells now for $50 to $60, or more for Winshester AA trap loads. But back in the day, when I was a kid in Panola County, I couldn't even afford a box. So I bought what I could. The Western Auto store was where we went for shells in those days, and they were willing to sell shells by the piece. Nobody does that anymore, but it was a nice thing for a kid. I'd hoard my leftovers from year to year and always had a conglomeration of 6s and 71/2s that I'd pull out to start dove season. Buckshot you hardly ever used, so half a dozen shells would last forever. Occasionally I'll open a box of stuff and find one of those old shells, always Winchester high-brass No.6 shot. It would put a pounding on a squirrel and on your shoulder, too. But they were fire-engine red and much more impressive, as loaded shells or empty hulls, than the green Winchesters or the maroon Federals. And they weren't paper, which the first shells I shot actually were. Get those wet and they'd swell up and ruin. But squirrels were my game of choice, and I always wanted good shells, as new as possible, for them. I could take $2.50 to the store and buy 10 shells for the opening day of squirrel season. If I had five left from the year before, that would be five in the Model 12 shotgun (no plugs required, and you didn't want one) and five in each front pocket of my jeans. I could kill 10 squirrels with those shells and usually have a few left over. Then I'd save money or mow a yard or burn brush to get extra cash to buy shells for the next hunt. Having 15 shells was kind of a fetish for me, and I always tried to keep an equal number of each in my pants pockets. Good for balance and good for luck.

Prometheus | 07-31-2007 12:55 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase My elcheapo #8 and #6 shot are up from 2.50 about 18 months ago to $4as of last week. I couldn't believe it.... thats some b.s.

RiverRat | 07-31-2007 03:02 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Ammo prices are going to escalate even more...so BOHICA. If you've put off buying a reloader for shotshells,pistol,or rifle ammo now is the time. Lead shot prices are ridiculous and expected to triple in the next twelve months as per my local reloading supplier. Powder and primers are flying off the shelves due to the idiotic Hazmat scare that threatened to dry up reloading supplies forever in the US. Last week I bought the last two cases of #209 shotshell primers in the local gun shop.The owner said he had sold more primers in the last 8 weeks than he usually sold in 2 years.Same with powder,shot,and wads. He was wiped out on every popular powder except the boutique brands that nobody can afford or wants anyway. He said gun sales were up 300% and he didn't expect a slowdown anytime soon. I ordered 20 pounds of powder because every store within 50 miles has no in stock inventory of my popular brand. The overall mood among the local reloading crowd is that a ban is coming,I agree. Rather than be caught dead in the water I am stocking up on enough supplies to last for at least ten years minimum. Expensive,but the threat of no ammo at all is a dangerous situation most of us here can relate to. If you are a reloader it might be in your best interests to start laying in some heavy supplies before prices go ballistic and the politicos slam the door on future purchases forever. It's not over yet folks...it's just a matter of time before the liberals get their wish and outlaw all ammo sales to the civilian population. They don't have to confiscate our guns...just ban and/or restrict all factory ammo and reloading supplies like powders and primers. At present the big three factory ammo suppliers are up to their eyeballs in military contracts,so their ammo sales to J6P don't mean very much to them if a ban should be passed into law. I doubt they would even yawn at the prospect. So unless the NRA raises billions to lobby against it,an outright ban or severe restrictions on ammo sales to J6P is waiting somewhere up the road. The walls are closing in folks...don't wait until they sneak in a ban tacked onto some BS tree hugger legislation and you wake up and find the ammo is all gone. So sorry...I thought you got the memo. :D:D :bear_w00t::bear_w00t: :D:D Yep...I'm paranoid as hell on this situation. It's all GIM's fault. Hanging around here does strange things to some people. :D:D:D:D

thorgrim | 07-31-2007 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by RiverRat (Post 680190) :D:D :bear_w00t::bear_w00t: :D:D Yep...I'm paranoid as hell on this situation. It's all GIM's fault. Hanging around here does strange things to some people. :D:D:D:D
No it's not just you. I've noticed a lot more people even up here in Canada getting edgy. Seems like our government is starting to push more for Australia type gun control. If that doesn't work then I'm thinking the same thing just cut off the ammo or tax it so badly nobody can afford it. About six months ago I was trying to warn gun owners on a Canadian Gun forum about our fascist government and that they would be coming for our guns. Ended up getting into many arguments and people were laughing and calling me a tinfoil hat nut job. Checked back in a few days ago and there was almost a complete change in tone. Seems like many are starting to wake up at least partially. Most of these guys thought that with the conservatives in we would see reduced gun control and the opposite has happened and I think it shattered a lot of peoples delusions. Many are realizing that all the major parties are the same.

Anty Ep | 07-31-2007 11:26 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase you know why ammo s goin up? demand. existing supplies are being shot off in the middle east and the US armed forces is buying all over the place. the US let domestic ammo manufacturing slide into oblivion, and it's only the huge civilian market that's kept us with any domestic capacity. this happened years ago even as Pentagon kept on stocking up on whizbang gadgets costing incredible sums of money. just another example of US government incompetence really. in Europe they make a lot of ammo because their governments have the sense to keep an eye on the health of the domestic firearms producers. Oh and it goes without saying that the best firearms designers and engineers all went to Spain at the end of the war and they werent named Sanchez; something little more like "Vorgrimmler" anybody know who he was?

BAD BAMA | 07-31-2007 12:12 PM
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"Vorgrimmler" anybody know who he was?
I think he was a nazi that designed weapons for germany or something like that .

Dave Thomas | 07-31-2007 11:02 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase In regards to the "green" ammo do current non "green" primers still use lead azide or mercury fulminate still? Is that what the green is all about, not just the bullet?

shades2 | 07-31-2007 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Thomas (Post 681201) In regards to the "green" ammo do current non "green" primers still use lead azide or mercury fulminate still? Is that what the green is all about, not just the bullet?
Interesting. This link might shed some light on it: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20060219341.html Apparently heavy-metal free.

extremist | 08-01-2007 09:27 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Some major ammo sellers apparently just got notices of additional price increases for Sep. 1 -- anywhere from 5% to 25% on both components and loaded ammo. Better move before everybody and his uncle starts stocking up...

Abouthadit | 08-01-2007 10:52 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase What would you recommend as a start up system for a non-reloader? 12GA, 45acp, 9mm, 5.56? new brass, old brass, tips on powder selection? HELLLLPPP. :confused_ma:

Kahlil Gibran | 08-17-2007 11:43 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Update: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070817/D8R2UKLG0.html

DogFarm | 08-17-2007 11:51 PM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase Tonight I went out and bought a 100 rounds of 45 acp. Only cost me $37 bucks with tax. My current stash is now 200 rounds. I'm going to get to 500 rounds.

BeeYourself | 08-18-2007 12:09 AM
Re: Ammo prices - 10% increase My local shop told me today that ammo prices are rising again in 30 days by 10-15%

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