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NOOB | 11-27-2007 07:11 PM
burying rifles Lets say you wanted to bury a firearm to keep it out of harms way. How would you go about it. I have seen those waterproof storage bags at gunshows but I don't know if those would be good underground. Any thoughts? NOOB

Fullpower | 11-27-2007 07:16 PM
ANY Thoughts? WHy, yes...... If'n ya bury all yer guns, whatcha gonna shoot the librals wit'?

Mumwaldee | 11-27-2007 08:38 PM
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Wyldwil | 11-27-2007 09:07 PM
Re: burying rifles Don't bother with the pvc. Just bag up some ammo real tight and bury an AK next to it.... Quote:
"And it's indestructible. You mention Colonel David Hackworth, the most decorated American soldier to come out of Korea. He and his men unearthed a buried AK-47 in Vietnam. He took it right out of the mud, kicked back the rusted bolt, and fired it off." "Yes, rebels and drug gangs in South America or Central America would bury them after a conflict, with the expectation that they could just dig them up and use them again when needed." "I was fascinated that the piece of genius in the AK-47 seems to be something that's almost counterintuitive. Namely, that Mikhail Kalashnikov deliberately made the parts looser, with much greater tolerances. So the components aren't seated that precisely and tightly. And that this is what made the weapon so sturdy and tolerant of abuse and dirt." "Yeah, when you think about it, it kind of makes sense. If you have water or dirt in an AK and put a round in, it will just push the mud and mess out. It doesn't get stuck or jam easily, because the parts don't mesh so tightly and don't need to be so exactly aligned to work. In most weapons, it's just the opposite. Brilliantly enough, it's the same characteristic that allows the AK-47 to also fire the bullets of many opponents' weapons. So the Vietcong, for instance, could use captured ammunition in their weapons, where we couldn't."
http://www.sdreader.com/published/20...8/reading.html

Blue_pill_envy | 11-27-2007 09:16 PM
Re: burying rifles NOOB�..I asked a friend of mine this question. He knows more about this sort of thing than I�ll ever know. Here�s his reply�. �I'd fully disassemble and heavy grease all parts. individually bag all parts. put all the bags in a waterproof ammo can. look up ammo cans online they are very cheap and waterproof. dont know about waterproof bags, but without a dessicant of some kind I wouldn't rely on a bag alone.hope this helps.� ..

omegaman | 11-27-2007 09:45 PM
Re: burying rifles Improvised weapons cache. What you need: 6" diameter PVC pipe (3 feet or so) 6" end caps (2) Wax paper Grease (gun grease or bearing grease) Masking tape PVC cement Pen and paper Silica gel (available at craft stores) Cheesecloth. Rubber bands Shovel Pay cash for all components. The 6 inch piping might not be available at Home Depot, and you may have to go to a plumbing supplier to get it. 1. Field strip the weapon 2. Separate its components into groups (like action/barrel, bolt assembly, trigger assembly, etc) 3. Heavily grease each component group and then wrap them in the wax paper. Seal the wax paper wrapped components completely with the masking tape. Make them airtight. 4. Write a number on the exterior of each taped component group. On the paper write what parts are associated with what number, so that when you dig it up you know where each part is. It is important to write every separate component encased with any particular group. Years later you won't remember every pin/screw and you don't want to lose them in all that tape. 5. Scopes or other optics should be similarly sealed (minus the grease) with more emphasis on the tape. It wouldn't hurt to wrap them in bubble wrap as well, as the contents of the tube actually move quite a bit in transport. Don't forget to take the batteries out of any illuminated optics! 6. Now seal off one end of the PVC piping with a cap. Place the weapon and anything else you want in the piping. 7. Using your oven heat the silica gel until the crystals turn blue. Wrap up portions of the silica "gel" (its actually more like sand) in the cheesecloth into baggies. Tie them of with the rubber bands. 8. Put these "baggies in your PVC tube and glue on the other end cap. 9. If you plan on burying your treasure, make sure you get it below the frost line. Four feet is a safe bet. Make sure you will be able to find it years later, and watch the area to make sure it doesn't become a subdivision! 10. Leave you buried loot alone! Don't dig it up every year or two to check it. Every time you do it disturbs the ground all over again and you run the risk of somebody spotting you burying your goodies. This has happened before. Of course, this method is for informational purposes only. No responsible citizen would hide weapons where just anybody could find them and possibly hurt themselves or others! Then again, no responsible citizen would own weapons anyway.

omegaman | 11-27-2007 09:53 PM
Re: burying rifles Improvised ammo cache In many ways caching ammo is more difficult than the weapon itself. What you need: Duct tape Plastic (saran) wrap Marker 4" or 6" PVC piping and appropriate end caps. PVC cement Silica gel Cheesecloth Rubber bands Shovel 1. Leaving the ammo in its original carton, wrap it in 6 to 8 layers of plastic wrap. Seal it as completely as possible. 2. Wrap this with the duct tape, again making as complete a seal as possible. 3. Repeat on all of your ammo. 4. Label each package with the marker. 5. Seal off on end of your pipe with an end cap and place your goodies in their new home. 6. As before, heat the silica gel in the oven to activate it, and place it in cheesecloth baggies. 7. Put the baggies in the pipe and seal the other end. 8. Proceed to burial or other form of caching.

REV127 | 11-27-2007 09:55 PM
Re: burying rifles Bury it vertically, not horizontally. That way it has the smallest possible profile to a metal dector or probing. It can be good to bury it under something that has a very long working life. Remember the forgotten civil defense cache found built into the bridge in New York? Pouring a driveway any time soon? Try to use two tubes, one that holds the weapon and another that the weapon tube fits into. The outter tube should be easily opened and a rope should be connected to the inner tube. That way you can easily pull your loot free yet still seal it up tight.

Percy | 11-27-2007 10:17 PM
Re: burying rifles Quote:
Originally Posted by NOOB (Post 848359) Lets say you wanted to bury a firearm to keep it out of harms way. How would you go about it. I have seen those waterproof storage bags at gunshows but I don't know if those would be good underground. Any thoughts? NOOB
First off, don't buy it from a FFL dealer or a big box store. Buy used from an individual, only sign a bill of sales. That's how you keep a firearm out of harms way.

Anty Ep | 11-27-2007 11:29 PM
Re: burying rifles just have a bunch of guns and stash them with kin. thats what most crooks do. works pretty good too. lol

Squirrel Bait | 11-27-2007 11:50 PM
Re: burying rifles Quote:
Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 848766) Bury it vertically, not horizontally. That way it has the smallest possible profile to a metal dector or probing. It can be good to bury it under something that has a very long working life. Remember the forgotten civil defense cache found built into the bridge in New York? Pouring a driveway any time soon? Try to use two tubes, one that holds the weapon and another that the weapon tube fits into. The outter tube should be easily opened and a rope should be connected to the inner tube. That way you can easily pull your loot free yet still seal it up tight.
Hey Rev, How deep??? I'm not very familiar with metal detectors. SB

Baphomet Jones | 11-28-2007 12:06 AM
Re: burying rifles Scatter bits of rusted metal in other areas as a diversion, nothing that would be out of place, just car parts... rotors, ball bearings, lots of cheap nuts and bolts, screws and nails from when they built your house, etc. Just a thought. Quote:
An aging man lived alone in Ireland. His only son was in Long Kesh prison, and he didn't know anyone who would spade up his potato garden. The old man wrote to his son about it, and received this reply, "For HEAVENS SAKE, don't dig up that garden, that's where I buried the GUNS!!!!!" At 4:00 the next morning, a dozen British soldiers showed up and dug up the entire garden, but didn't find any guns. Confused, the man wrote to his son telling him what happened and asking him what to do next. His son's reply was: "Just plant your potatoes."
:D

shades2 | 11-28-2007 08:48 AM
Re: burying rifles Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 848974) Hey Rev, How deep??? I'm not very familiar with metal detectors. SB
Well in regards to GOLD... Depends on the capability of the detector. For a small, casual sweeping detector, 1 metre depth should be fine. Best bet is to sprinkle lots of crap around, old car parts. Don't make it too obvious by leaving them on the surface, bury them, and once they dig up a couple old rusty parts, they'll quickly lose interest in their 'find'. This will play havoc with a cheap detector. More advanced metal detectors will pick out gold from other substances, but junk metal will still help a lot I'd say. Throw a few lead wheel weights into the mix for fun.

Kahlil Gibran | 11-28-2007 09:24 AM
Re: burying rifles 1 Attachment(s) Attachment 37192 :smokin: I'm surprised we haven't seen another testimonial yet...

mtnman | 11-28-2007 09:27 AM
Re: burying rifles Why bury a rifle? If/when TPTB want to round up all the weapons, that will be THE TIME TO USE THEM FOR THERE INTENDED PURPOSE! What are you going to do with a buried rifle? Say wait a minute while I go get my gun. Keep your rifles handy as you WILL need them soon.

Dave Thomas | 11-29-2007 08:28 PM
Re: burying rifles You know I was always kinda curious about the reaction that PVC cement and the PVC would have on metals. Namely, chlorine out-gassing, and perhaps even sulphur. I'm not just worried about blued steel mind you.

Anty Ep | 11-30-2007 09:24 AM
Re: burying rifles Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 849344) Why bury a rifle? If/when TPTB want to round up all the weapons, that will be THE TIME TO USE THEM FOR THERE INTENDED PURPOSE! What are you going to do with a buried rifle? Say wait a minute while I go get my gun. Keep your rifles handy as you WILL need them soon.
that just makes too much sense, now, doesnt it? survivalists are always working on falling back to their next alpine redoubt, so to speak.

ProblemSolver | 11-30-2007 09:39 AM
Re: burying rifles Quote:
7. Put the baggies in the pipe and seal the other end.
It would seem to make sense to me to place a screw-on "clean-out" type lid on one end, for easy access. This can be moisture-sealed with teflon-tape and maybe a heavy-duty bag duct-taped over the end. That way, when you retrieve your stash, it's easy to access, and you won't have to saw the end off. Of course, this is for EXTRA rifles, ammo, etc., located in some fall-back area, where you may have need for them should Plan A go awry.

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