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randymatt | 12-25-2006 02:06 PM
Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? This is the best: http://www.toyotomiusa.com/products/...ages/DC-90.jpg http://www.toyotomiusa.com/products/...aters/DC-90.mv Can not buy it in the US anymore because of ignorant people and lawsuits: Toyotomi U.S.A., Inc. no longer sells Kerosun and Toyostove portable kerosene heaters in the United States.

R MacDonald | 12-25-2006 02:26 PM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? Good Reviews! http://www.epinions.com/hmgd-Large_A...splay_~reviews The last review says "not good with kids in the house"... Ummmm... Tell them not to touch it maybe??? :rolleyes:

J.D.Rockinfeller | 12-25-2006 02:48 PM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? Quote:
Originally Posted by randymatt (Post 454582) Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? This is the best: http://www.toyotomiusa.com/products/...ages/DC-90.jpg http://www.toyotomiusa.com/products/...aters/DC-90.mv Can not buy it in the US anymore because of ignorant people and lawsuits: Toyotomi U.S.A., Inc. no longer sells Kerosun and Toyostove portable kerosene heaters in the United States.
Any building owned by Larry silverstein:rofl:

R MacDonald | 12-25-2006 03:24 PM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? Quote:
Originally Posted by J.D.Rockinfeller (Post 454590) Any building owned by Larry silverstein:rofl:
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

AgAuGal | 12-25-2006 03:30 PM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? can this be used indoors? been lloking for a way to heat the house/room in an emergency. looks quality.

randymatt | 12-25-2006 04:00 PM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? Quote:
Originally Posted by AgAuGal (Post 454603) can this be used indoors? been lloking for a way to heat the house/room in an emergency. looks quality.
Found some info here: http://www.endtimesreport.com/kerosene_heaters.html

AgAuGal | 12-26-2006 03:12 AM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? Thanks Randy

Halophyte | 12-27-2006 04:25 PM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? I'd rather burn LP .... if I have to pay for heating fuel.

Yggdrasil | 12-16-2008 04:15 AM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? Sorry to resurrect an old thread; I was looking on the internet for a wick for my kerosene heater and ran across this. I own a Kero-Sun DC-90 and I can attest that it is the best of the best. It is extremely clean burning, literally, the only time I smell anything is during shutoff, and that's very briefly. Even with kerosene at $2.49 a gallon, I still save on my heating bills. These are no longer sold in the US, but they pop up from time to time on eBay. Due to their reputation they tend to fetch high prices, but IMHO, they're well worth it.

phideaux | 12-16-2008 08:04 AM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? I bought this Dura Heat at Home Despot a couple of years ago. It was the season-end clearance sale, got it for 1/2 price. $48 or so at the time. These are still for sale at The Despot. Puts out a ton of heat, quickly, Burns clean, virtually no odor at startup or shutdown. http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pro...61245a_300.jpg http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/...cStoreNum=8125 The downside is the battery-operated igniter is useless, just a toy. I use one of these long-reach butane lighters from the dollar store. Works great. http://www.dollartreedirect.com/imag...25f47b44b9.jpg

ruprick | 12-16-2008 08:35 AM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? I keep an eye out for these during the summer garage sale season....and find some serious deals....between $5 and $20 and it often includes a fuel can of kero. I have a total of 7 kero heaters that I've purchased and cleaned/repaired (rare that much is ever wrong...mostly just dirty - I've never even had to replace a wick....just cleand and reconditioned the old wick). I do not think I've spent over $100 total for my entire collection. I have just about every brand - they are all excellent. Kerosun, Toyostove, Corona, and some other brands that do not come to mind. The bigger round models are nice for really putting out the BTU's they are typ about 25K -30K BTU.....but there did make some thet were just shrunk down versions at 10k BTU. You should get one of these big ones .....it will put out enough continuous BTU to heat a 2000 sq ft home in most weather other than sub 10F. You may have to close off all the outter rooms to keep up. If you can swing getting 2....the other nice one to get would be one of the Radian 10,000 BTU models....looks like a box with a reflector in the back to project heat in a direction. These are nice to sit in front of....my kids love to sit in front of them. They all put out a nice glow thet will dim light a room. The reason to oun these is that they can heat a home even in a power outage.....you do not need to run a generator to drive the furnace blower. Kerosene is a pretty energy dense fuel. Go and get either a 55 gal drum and fill it and get a hand pump (or you can make a standpipe/hose and fit an air nipple on the vent bung and pump it out under pressure with a bicycle pump.....) or you can just get a bunch of Kero cans.....about 10 and stock up.....will need several cans just to ferry fuel home for re-stocking your manin drum. I have 10 x 5 gal cans for this purpose....but i also have an uninsulated aircraft hanger that I heat in the winter with a 200,000 BTU torpedo/salamander while working in the hanger....or getting ready to go fly. Kero is about 120,000 BTU/gal.....so a 30k BTU/hr heater will use 1 gal every 4 hr.....most have tanks to run for well over 12 hours....as in all night long. You will use about 5 gal a day if this is the only heating source....so you can see, 55 gal is only about 10 days. Not a bad idea to have 3 to 5 drums full of kero.....you can build a plywood cover and they make a nice bench/shelf for stacking items on top ......as to not take up that much room. I will probably cost you nearly $4/gal...for kero...but it may be much cheaper with recent fuel drop...but still probably over $3.....so each drum will be $150 - $200+ to fill.....but it is another good way to turn FRN into useful stock. You can often find good clean oil drums for free or cheap deposit from local oil change shops/car dealers or local oil/fuel distributors. A typical house will need about 20k - 40k BTU/hr on a pretty severe cold night. A typical 1500 sq foot home might have a 100,000 BTU/hr furnace...but the duty cycle almost never reaches 40%.....the 100k BTU is nice to add heat in a hurry....but once up to speed only needs 20k - 30k of so...... Look for these in summer at garage sales....most of the time they just need to be cleaned up and you can get them for nearly nothing. Parting thoughts: 22 lbs of dry hardwood has same energy as 1 gal of kero....but the kero heater is 100% effecient....while wood heat varies from very poor fire place at well under 30% eff. to top rate hight tech gasification boilers of 85%.....I figure you need about 30 - 40 lbs of wood to equal a gal of kero..........a 55 gal drum of kero is about equal to a ton of wood. For rough purposes....1 full cord (4' x 4' x 8') is about 2 tons.....or equal to 2 drums of kero in "delivered heat" . Wood is great if it is cheap or free.....will beat kero for cost.....but if space is an issue .....a 500 gal tank of kero is nice and easy....like having 5 cords of wood. A 500 gal tank will get you throught a severe winter....nice backup to your primary heating system...and via small radiant heaters....you can have an "off grid" heating system....for not much money. and it is a hell of a lot easier than cutting/split/haul/unload/stack/store......kero is a clean, easy, compact back-up...while my natural gas is delivered in the pipe in the ground.....if that ever ends....then wood is the only pratical alternative. You can also run your Diesel equipment/vehicles on kero. Get a crap load of wood and kero.....full tanks of propane are also nice..... "If you don't hold it".......you might be cold at some point.

Squirrel Bait | 12-16-2008 08:43 AM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? What about the design makes them burn so effeiciently? s

ruprick | 12-16-2008 08:56 AM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? Quote:
Originally Posted by phideaux (Post 1468193) I bought this Dura Heat at Home Despot a couple of years ago. It was the season-end clearance sale, got it for 1/2 price. $48 or so at the time. These are still for sale at The Despot. Puts out a ton of heat, quickly, Burns clean, virtually no odor at startup or shutdown. http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pro...61245a_300.jpg http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/...cStoreNum=8125 The downside is the battery-operated igniter is useless, just a toy. I use one of these long-reach butane lighters from the dollar store. Works great. http://www.dollartreedirect.com/imag...25f47b44b9.jpg
To avoid startup / shutdown oder....I just pick the machine up / slide on a rug....be verrrrrry careful .......and set it out on the porch.....otherwise they will stink a bunch on both ends. you can fuel while they are running. You your head and god given skills....if you are an idiot....avoid this exposure.

ruprick | 12-16-2008 09:15 AM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 1468225) What about the design makes them burn so effeiciently? s
They have a catalyst....100% of what they burn (99%+ in reality) ends up in the house.....there is no waste at all. Added benefit----natural humidification.....water is a byproduct of combustion.....this is what you see comming out of car exhause pipes in the winter, esp at cold start-up.....that "exhaust" is water vapor....you see it on home exhaust stacks stacks as well. Since these little guys put their exhause into the home....you get that water as natural humidification. They make a very preasant heat....and you can cook on top of them as well.....at a minimum you can heat water.....but a big pot of food also cooks up on them very nicely. I think everyone in a cold area should own a few and at a minimum 5 cans of fuel. ......if only for dealing with fall/winter/spring power outages....like in ice storm country.

Yggdrasil | 12-16-2008 08:55 PM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? Quote:
Originally Posted by phideaux (Post 1468193) I bought this Dura Heat at Home Despot a couple of years ago. It was the season-end clearance sale, got it for 1/2 price. $48 or so at the time. These are still for sale at The Despot.
Our emergency back-up kerosene heater is a Heat Mate HMHC 2230, which is, I believe, an almost identical model to what you have. It is a fantastic heater. I only have a couple of small gripes with it. First, you are right when you say it puts out a ton of heat, quickly. The problem is, even on the lowest setting, the room temp keeps rising. We used to let ours run for about two hours, then shut it off. The DC-90 doesn't suffer from this; it keeps the room at a comfy 72 degrees when turned all the way down. Second, our Heat Mate eats a little more fuel than the Kero-Sun. We get about 12 hours per tank on the former, 20-22 with the latter. This wouldn't be such a big deal if kerosene was still a buck a gallon like it was 6-8 years ago. Those things being said, I would still recommend what you bought. Ours served us faithfully for many years. And if you got it new for under 50 bucks then you scored a hell of a deal.

Yggdrasil | 12-16-2008 08:59 PM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 1468225) What about the design makes them burn so effeiciently?
If you're inquiring about the DC-90: it burns the fuel through a radiant unit first, convection unit second. The only minor drawback to this setup is that it takes about 15 minutes for the convection half to really start burning. But the cleanliness is truly incredible.

Yggdrasil | 12-16-2008 09:10 PM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? Quote:
Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1468245) you can fuel while they are running.
Now that is something I would never recommend. Just shut it down, let it cool off for 15 minutes, then refuel.

Agamemnon | 12-16-2008 09:38 PM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? 91,330 btu - Propane gas per gallon 127,000 btu - kerosene per gallon 4.24 lb per gallon weight - Propane 4.7 galons per 20 LB bulk "BBQ" bottle tank I like my Big Buddy Heater better than a Kero Heater 16,000 btu max output, 100% eff. No smell, no smoke. Tip over safety, low ox safety. Matchess, no battery ignition. No wicks. Its running right now on low (4,000 btu) for my dog out in the shop. Its cold out. .

CrufflerJJ | 12-17-2008 12:14 AM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? I bought a 23K BTU kerosene heater a year or two ago for backup heating in our home during a power outage (we have electric baseboard heat). I've never had to use it...yet. I've got a couple 5 gal containers of Kerosene, but might get a couple more just in case. Some questions for those who've used them for backup home heating: 1) Do you worry about carbon monoxide? We've got a CO detector in our house, but I was just wondering. 2) Do you need to add any sort of fuel stabilizer to the kerosene? I added some PRI-G (meant for gasoline) to the 2 containers I have at home. 3) In the event of a power outage, does your kerosene heater put out enough heat to keep the water pipes in your home from freezing? Thanks!

phideaux | 12-17-2008 01:08 AM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? Quote:
Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1469724) I bought a 23K BTU kerosene heater a year or two ago for backup heating in our home during a power outage (we have electric baseboard heat). I've never had to use it...yet. I've got a couple 5 gal containers of Kerosene, but might get a couple more just in case. Some questions for those who've used them for backup home heating: 1) Do you worry about carbon monoxide? We've got a CO detector in our house, but I was just wondering. 2) Do you need to add any sort of fuel stabilizer to the kerosene? I added some PRI-G (meant for gasoline) to the 2 containers I have at home. 3) In the event of a power outage, does your kerosene heater put out enough heat to keep the water pipes in your home from freezing? Thanks!
1) Modern kero burners are so efficient, the CO output is virtually zero. But a CO detector is cheap insurance. 2) not sure if PRI-G will help kero (vs gas). but make sure to store the kero in plastic containers, not metal. Prevents condensation, and water is bad bad for long term storage. 3) My 23k BTU kero burner will easily heat 1200-1500 square feet, if you move it around to difrferent rooms every so often. Frozen pipes or prevention thereof depend a lot on how they are run into and through your house. I've never had a problem, even at -20 outside

Yggdrasil | 12-17-2008 02:18 AM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? Quote:
Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1469724) I bought a 23K BTU kerosene heater a year or two ago for backup heating in our home during a power outage (we have electric baseboard heat). I've never had to use it...yet. I've got a couple 5 gal containers of Kerosene, but might get a couple more just in case. Some questions for those who've used them for backup home heating: 1) Do you worry about carbon monoxide? We've got a CO detector in our house, but I was just wondering. 2) Do you need to add any sort of fuel stabilizer to the kerosene? I added some PRI-G (meant for gasoline) to the 2 containers I have at home. 3) In the event of a power outage, does your kerosene heater put out enough heat to keep the water pipes in your home from freezing? Thanks!
1. I have two CO detectors in my home. The DC-90 has never budged it. CO poisoning is one of the many FUD myths surrounding kerosene heaters. The government states an average of only 170 deaths per year, and those come from a wide variety of appliances. Not bad for a country of 300 million. 2. I've never added anything to my fuel, accept one solution that was supposed to make the room smell like pine. Totally worthless. On a related note, I have heard stories that dyed kerosene can gum up wicks. I've never used it so I can't say for sure though. 3. Yes.

Yggdrasil | 12-17-2008 02:47 AM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? Quote:
Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1468221) Kerosene is a pretty energy dense fuel. Go and get either a 55 gal drum and fill it and get a hand pump (or you can make a standpipe/hose and fit an air nipple on the vent bung and pump it out under pressure with a bicycle pump.....) or you can just get a bunch of Kero cans
My brother-in-law now works for a fuel distributor and says he can get me a deal if I buy bulk. I want a 55 gallon drum with a hand pump but I have no idea where to even start: steel, plastic, open top, closed top, ribs, etc, etc. Justrite products are very high quality but also fiendishly expensive. What would you recommend?

ruprick | 12-17-2008 10:29 AM
Re: Anyone know of a good kerosene heater? Quote:
Originally Posted by Yggdrasil (Post 1469851) My brother-in-law now works for a fuel distributor and says he can get me a deal if I buy bulk. I want a 55 gallon drum with a hand pump but I have no idea where to even start: steel, plastic, open top, closed top, ribs, etc, etc. Justrite products are very high quality but also fiendishly expensive. What would you recommend?
Clean (inside) steel drums only...if they had oil of fuel of other chemicals...that's ok....a little oil left in ther is fine...your adding 55 gal of kero...it is a solvent. Get a good quality hand pump. Best place for this is Notrhern Tool - I think it is www.northerntool.com a good pump should cost about $60 - $100. I have a justrite electric pump for gasoling transfer at my hanger....you do not need anything that complicated or expensive....just get a good mechanical hand pump. $60 - $100 is not very much money these days....a good pizza is $20. You do not need to do anything to keep kero long term....just tighten the drum bungs ...same for gasoline...gas will keep for years - if you stop the lighter end distillates from evaporating....sealed up tight gas is good for many years...kero will last decades if well sealed.

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