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silverblood | 03-07-2008 02:01 AM
What gun to get next? I'm gun poor. I haven't taken much of an interest before now. I have only a .22 semi-auto rifle (Winchester, tube loader) and a 12 ga. Remington 870 pump. I've had 'em both for 30 years but I doubt I've shot either of them in the past 15. I'm budgeting everything I can to survival prep, and I've got to get started on food and other supplies too. I think putting away at least a 3 month supply of food has got to take highest priority, so I won't have a lot to spend on guns/ammo for a couple of months. What strategy would you recommend for gun prep given my current situation? Buy ammo for my existing arms before I buy another gun? I think that would make the most sense, but would like other thoughts. Is it better to get ammo mail order or locally? If local, is there a paper trail when paying cash, i.e., signatures, recording DL#? I assume there is always a paper trail for mail order, and I don't fancy letting it be known if I decide to stock up to 10,000 rounds per firearm. For the 12 gauge, what's a good general purpose shot size, or should I have different sizes, and is there a particular brand or construction that is better from a reloading perspective? Any recommendation for particular type of .22 rounds? The rifle can take longs and LR. Since rimfire cartridges can't be reloaded, I guess you compensate by buying more of them. What type gun would you recommend for my next gun purchase? What uses a readily available, relatively economical, and easily reloadable cartridge? I'm just trying to gather ideas so I add them to my list of prep items and begin to prioritize them.

Infidel | 03-07-2008 02:37 AM
Re: What gun to get next? 12 ga. shotgun is the most gun you need. I prefer number 4 shot for home defense. get 200 shells get 22 LR 5000 bullets they are cheap. From Walmart. get a pistol you can carry. look at kel-tec 9mm. I want it, maybe because I can not have it (in Komiefornia), but people like these guns. tt-33 and cz-52 are also very interesting toys to have ammo got cheap just now for a short period. get some bullets for this. after that look into an AK variant. Like http://savvysurvivor.com/saiga_rifles.htm For general gun advice go to the http://www.thehighroad.org

Mumwaldee | 03-07-2008 03:21 AM
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silverblood | 03-07-2008 09:21 AM
Re: What gun to get next? Thanks for the help guys. Suburbs, and I'll work out budget over the next few days, but probably just enough to buy some ammo this month. The FRNs don't go far.

Twisted Avatar | 03-07-2008 09:28 AM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by silverblood (Post 999723) Thanks for the help guys. Suburbs, and I'll work out budget over the next few days, but probably just enough to buy some ammo this month. The FRNs don't go far.
What ever you can ........is better than none......all we can do is try. You must get some sort of pistol. a rifle will ony be good is certain cases pistol can be hidden which IMO is paramount. T

Abouthadit | 03-07-2008 09:31 AM
Re: What gun to get next? funny I always thought that "gun poor" meant that I was poor because I spent all my money on guns. :D Since you said your 22 and 870 are very old, I would make sure that they are still in good shape. Take them to a gunsmith for a check out. Then buy lots of ammo. 22 can still be had for under 3c/rd. For home defense on the 870 get buckshot. Then buy two handguns that use the same magazines and ammo. Personally I like the 1911A1 style in 45ACP, but some make a good case for Glock. Just make sure it is a fairly common magazine and calibre. I would also recommend a 30 cal rifle. Just got a Yugo M70 with underfolding stock from AIM Surplus and love it. Good luck.

damoc | 03-07-2008 09:47 AM
Re: What gun to get next? I like the idea of a hundgun and rifle combo that uses the same ammo IE 44 magnum revolver with lever action rifle. then get spares ammo and reloading gear to suit this. also when they start taking back our guns autos and military style rifles will be the first that they concentrate on. california has effectively started this with that auto stamping law and mag capacity laws.

graspAU | 03-07-2008 09:51 AM
Re: What gun to get next? A very good AK for $569: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/prog...asp?Prodid=446

mtnman | 03-07-2008 10:02 AM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by damoc (Post 999767) also when they start taking back our guns autos and military style rifles will be the first that they concentrate on.
How can "They" "Take back" something they never owned in the first place? NEVER surrender your firearms, Never bury or hide your firearms. When the time comes use them for there intended purpose! And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you'd be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur � what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! "If. . . if . . . We didn't love freedom enough. And even more � we had no awareness of the real situation. We spent ourselves in one unrestrained outburst in 1917, and then we hurried to submit. We submitted with pleasure! . . . We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward." (Note 5, page 13, Vol. 1, The Gulag Archipelago, by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn)

SilverCity | 03-07-2008 10:05 AM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by scottp999 (Post 999786) A very good AK for $569: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/prog...asp?Prodid=446
I had a chance to talk with the owner of Lancaster Consulting at a recent Tucson show. Very impressed with the quality of his rifles...

walker10 | 03-07-2008 10:48 AM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by silverblood (Post 999378) I'm gun poor. I haven't taken much of an interest before now. I have only a .22 semi-auto rifle (Winchester, tube loader) and a 12 ga. Remington 870 pump. I've had 'em both for 30 years but I doubt I've shot either of them in the past 15. I'm budgeting everything I can to survival prep, and I've got to get started on food and other supplies too. I think putting away at least a 3 month supply of food has got to take highest priority, so I won't have a lot to spend on guns/ammo for a couple of months. If you are prep poor, devote the majority of your money at this time to getting stocked up and not just in the food area, everything from hygene and first aid, to cleaning supplies, water, alternate heat sources, etc. This will take quite a few bucks as you know and if you don't have these things right now it will take some time to accumulate. No time to waste IMO. What strategy would you recommend for gun prep given my current situation? What I would recommend for right now is to make sure that the guns you have right now are in good working order like Abouthadit said. For right now I'd concentrate on keeping these two guns running by allocating a small amount of money on a continuous basis to buying spare parts, cleaning equipment, and ammo for them. Buy ammo for my existing arms before I buy another gun? I think that would make the most sense, but would like other thoughts. Is it better to get ammo mail order or locally? If local, is there a paper trail when paying cash, i.e., signatures, recording DL#? I assume there is always a paper trail for mail order, and I don't fancy letting it be known if I decide to stock up to 10,000 rounds per firearm. If you buy locally, at least here in Pennsylvania, there is no paper trail to worry about so long as you pay cash and not charge it. Mail order, well, you will probably be able to get somewhat better prices, but then the trade off is the paper trail. I'll stick with buying with cash locally. For the 12 gauge, what's a good general purpose shot size, or should I have different sizes, and is there a particular brand or construction that is better from a reloading perspective? I bought a used 12 ga just last weekend as my first shotgun and have basically no experience with them, but #4 for self defence seems to be a good compromise between size and number of pellets. Any recommendation for particular type of .22 rounds? The rifle can take longs and LR. Since rimfire cartridges can't be reloaded, I guess you compensate by buying more of them. I use CCI Stingers in my Ruger 10/22 and Ruger MKII and they have functioned flawlessly. The other round I use on occasion are Remington sub-sonics. What type gun would you recommend for my next gun purchase? What uses a readily available, relatively economical, and easily reloadable cartridge? I'm just trying to gather ideas so I add them to my list of prep items and begin to prioritize them.
As far as your next gun goes, I would also suggest a centerfire handgun. Personally, I'd go with either a 9mm or .45, either a Colt or Glock, can't go wrong with either. I'd go to a firing range and rent a couple of guns to see which one you are better able to fire first though. If you are equally good with both, come down on the side of the .45. First and foremost though, start/continue your food preps. Not as sexy as a new gun, but from your post, more needed at this point in time.

Twisted Avatar | 03-07-2008 12:05 PM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 999803) How can "They" "Take back" something they never owned in the first place? NEVER surrender your firearms, Never bury or hide your firearms. When the time comes use them for there intended purpose! []
Gotta agree with MM. NEVER.......I repeat NEVER DISARM..... The man or women with a pistol in their hand is the LAST LINE OF DEFENSE against tyranny.If it ever gets where they are bold enough to do a round up....understand: YOU HAVE NOTHING LEFT TO LOOSE AND YOU HAD BEST FIGHT LIKE THE DEVIL WHEN THEY SHOW UP. T

Professur | 03-07-2008 12:41 PM
Re: What gun to get next? I'd just like to offer an alternative to 'never disarm'. Keep a couple of old (non-functional?) guns on hand. If you're ordered to surrender arms ... give them up freely. Why start the fight on their terms? After all, if you're holding a CCW permit ... they know you've got them. Hand over a couple of hulks and they mark you as 'safe'.

wallew | 03-07-2008 02:15 PM
Re: What gun to get next? I own several handguns. Both revolvers and semiauto. While I appreciate what the the folks are saying about getting a pistol, I have to disagree. But ONLY slightly. AK Pistol For the price of a new Glock or almost ANY good handgun these days, you can pick up a new AK pistol. IT IS fairly concealable if you have the correct sling and don't mind wearing a jacket. Three out of four seasons that won't seem odd to anyone (at least not here in Denver). Mine shipped either Wednesday or Thursday. Plus it gives you a 'MBR' AND a pistol, all rolled into one. If you want to get a pistol, I concur with the TT33, though these days, short of paying a premium, I'm unaware of anyone selling CZ52's anymore. There are some listed on Guns America, but as I've said, they are not cheap. The Romanian TT33 can be had for around $200 (add s&h) and ammo is still about $120 per thou in a spam can from AIM ammunition. I wouldn't worry too much about being on 'a list'. By posting ANYTHING HERE, you are already ON that list.

vida loco | 03-07-2008 02:21 PM
Re: What gun to get next? Thanks Wallew on the AK pistol

Lt Dan | 03-07-2008 02:59 PM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by silverblood (Post 999723) Thanks for the help guys. Suburbs, and I'll work out budget over the next few days, but probably just enough to buy some ammo this month. The FRNs don't go far.
You say the burbs but do you live in a gun friendly state or country? When you said you are gun poor I thought you meant poor because of the number of guns you own, kind of like me. LOL If I were you I'd just concentrate on ammo for now. If a deal comes along where you can get a handgun and rifle those are how I'd do it next. Get the handgun first, then add the rifle. I have to add, don't neglect the basic three, food, water and shelter. Or, don't forget the rule of threes. If one is none and two is one, get three.

Prometheus | 03-07-2008 05:18 PM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by Professur (Post 1000122) I'd just like to offer an alternative to 'never disarm'. Keep a couple of old (non-functional?) guns on hand. If you're ordered to surrender arms ... give them up freely. Why start the fight on their terms? After all, if you're holding a CCW permit ... they know you've got them. Hand over a couple of hulks and they mark you as 'safe'.
Wishful thinking. Here in the USA they'll throw you against the wall, 'detain you for your safety' while they destroy your house looking for 'hold outs'. Unless you buried them off site in the middle of a national forest you are done for. If you know they are going door to door, at that point it's too late. They'll have already done the 'turn in' phase so you are screwed anyway. It's like giving a bad guy a 'fake wallet'... bad guys will likely run off, in this case the cops will verify contents before they leave. If you aren't willing to defend yourself when they are at your front door, I doubt you'll ever dig those guns up your buried somewhere else anyway. "The night that comes when you need to bury your guns will see the morning that passed when you needed to dig them up." -Prometheus As to what gun next? A centerfire rifle. Preferably something multipurpose and cost effective. AK-74 in 5.45x39 is choice #1. You can hunt anything up to and including deer, surplus 1990's surplus ammo is 11.1 cents a round in spam cans, 30 round like new mags are under 10 bucks each... Can't beat it. If this was back when .308 was 10 cents a round vs nearly 50 cents a round I'd say a G3 or FAL, but it's too pricey to even think about getting into .308 for anyone on a budget, even a good sized budget.

G.W.Tanker | 03-07-2008 08:34 PM
Re: What gun to get next? Instead of 308 or 30.06, why not a Mosin-Nagant in 7.62x54R. They're cheaper and aren't they in the 30cal high power range? Anyone with complaints about this caliber or weapon?

buff01 | 03-07-2008 09:09 PM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by G.W.Tanker (Post 1000985) Instead of 308 or 30.06, why not a Mosin-Nagant in 7.62x54R. They're cheaper and aren't they in the 30cal high power range? Anyone with complaints about this caliber or weapon?
Being the most successful sniper rifle in history, I don't think it could be a bad choice! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

silverblood | 03-08-2008 12:29 AM
Re: What gun to get next? Are the steel cartridge 5.45x39 rounds that come in spam cans for the AK-74 reloadable?

Infidel | 03-08-2008 01:40 AM
Re: What gun to get next? No. but they are cheap. If you want reloadable go buy brass. it is available on the net. There are some links in this thread. http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=202478

MOD1 | 03-08-2008 02:54 AM
Re: What gun to get next? You are richer than you think. The 870 is a good shotgun. I've had one for 25+ years. The shell latch eventually required restaking a few years ago after many, many rounds. Do you have a range nearby that offers handgun rentals? Everyone has a favorite handgun, and so should you! A few dollars spent on a rental might avoid a costly disappointment. Take care, Mod1

SilverCity | 03-08-2008 09:55 AM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by silverblood (Post 1001219) Are the steel cartridge 5.45x39 rounds that come in spam cans for the AK-74 reloadable?
No...that is not without a whole lotta hassle...steel case not resizable, bullet is 21 caliber, Berdan primed. Someone has fashioned a facsimile of the 5.45x39 using swaged .224 bullets and something like .222 Remington brass, I believe. For example: There are no brass 5.45x39mm cases on the planet. But I resize new 222 Remington brass in a RCBS 5.45x39mm dies and trim to length. Resize .224" bullets in a Lee .221" lube & size die. Then load them with a powder charge half way between the 221Rem Fireball and222Rem for the weight bullet I am using. The 5.45x39mm case capasity is 1/2 way between the two. I sent some 5.45x39mm ammo I made with Hornady 68gr hpbt match bullets to a guy in Califorina. He got sub 1" groups at 100 yards from his East German SSG-85 bolt action 5.45x39mm rifle. I shot them in one of my Romanian CUR-2 AK rifles but was really only concerned about feeding/function and fireforming the brass. I have reloaded the cases twice and only lost 3 of 100 to case splits. http://www.huntingtons.com/CustomDies.html for a full length sizing die set #56065 are $119.95. If you are going to shoot the ammo you make in a AK rifle make sure to order some CCI # 41 military spec small rifle primers as regular primers will give you slam fires. http://www.leeprecision.com/catalog....ze.html Call Lee and special order a .221" lube & size die for $25.

Prometheus | 03-08-2008 12:49 PM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by silverblood (Post 1001219) Are the steel cartridge 5.45x39 rounds that come in spam cans for the AK-74 reloadable?
As others have said no it's not. Considering you really can't reload it for 11.1 cents a round, it's a moot point. Let alone find any steel core bullets either. You can't have your cake and eat it too ;) The 7.62x54r round is a great round. Nothing bad to say about it or the Mosin Nagant or Dragonov. Surplus ammo isn't as cheap as it was, but it's still inexpensive compared to 30-06 or traditional hunting calibers. FWIW most of the surplus is 'washed' steel cases that look like brass at first glance. Also they are berdan primed which sucks too. Wolf makes a line of "gold" ammo that is brass cased and boxer primed, it's about the same price as 30-06 and 30-30 however.

silverblood | 03-08-2008 01:12 PM
Re: What gun to get next? All of your comments are very helpful, so thank you all. Based on comments thus far, I rule out anything that can't be reloaded using manufactured brass, primers, and bullets of the nominal size or that requires advanced skills (i.e., SilverCity's description of resizing 222 Remington). Reloading is a future skill that I will aquire after having the basics of supply taken care of. So 5.45x39 is out of consideration. I prefer to target my future gun acquisitions on those for which reasonably priced and widely available ammo that can be reloaded is available. I consider the price of the gun to be of less importance than the price of the manufactured ammo or cost of reloading. You buy a gun once, but you spend many times your gun purchase price in ammo.

90%RealMoney | 03-08-2008 03:43 PM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by MOD1 (Post 1001304) You are richer than you think. The 870 is a good shotgun. I've had one for 25+ years. The shell latch eventually required restaking a few years ago after many, many rounds. Do you have a range nearby that offers handgun rentals? Everyone has a favorite handgun, and so should you! A few dollars spent on a rental might avoid a costly disappointment. Take care, Mod1
The only thing dissapointing about guns, is not having the money, or permission to get another one! LOL!

Infidel | 03-08-2008 04:19 PM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1001523) There are no brass 5.45x39mm cases on the planet.
http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,670.html http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/archiv....php/t-69.html this post is from a 7 years ago, but maybe the guy still makes brass

Caligula | 03-08-2008 06:52 PM
Re: What gun to get next? All I have to say is that ammo is cheap right now...... If you disagree with the above comment I suggest you: a) dwell on the word "perspective". b) come back to this post in exactly one year. Ammo is the least talked about PM.

Prometheus | 03-08-2008 07:09 PM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by silverblood (Post 1001719) Reloading is a future skill that I will aquire after having the basics of supply taken care of. So 5.45x39 is out of consideration.
I just have to remind you, at 11.1 cents a round you will never be able to reload centerfire for that cheap again. 1 AK-74 and 20 tins and you are set for life and then some. For the cost of one decent progressive reloading press you have have over 3-4 THOUSAND rounds of ammo... just for the cost of the press! Besides should SHTF you don't want to go looking around during/after a fire fight for your brass :no_ma:

bsdetector | 03-08-2008 08:01 PM
Re: What gun to get next? Re: What gun to get next? You should prolly get a handgun, I'd recommend a 'pocket warmer', a snub nosed DA 38 with +P ammo. Don't buy a auto loader with safety's and gadgets (and an empty chamber to boot). In a life or death situation you won't be engaging in a long dragged out firefight .... it isn't going to be a wild, wild west show at thirty paces ....its up close and personal ... its plug 'em and run.

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silverblood | 03-08-2008 10:43 PM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by Infidel (Post 1001263) No. but they are cheap. If you want reloadable go buy brass. it is available on the net. There are some links in this thread. http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=202478
I read that whole long thread. It was sort of painful. I sure don't want this thread to turn into that. I'm glad I'm just researching right now. There's a lot of info to digest. Based on that other thread (lordy!) and the comments in this one, I'm coming back around to the idea that the 5.45x39 AK-74 or the 7.62x?? AK-47 have significant advantages for a suburban defensive situation where collecting spent brass would likely be impractical anyway. Plus the cost for the 5.45x39 ammo makes it a more practical choice too (11.1 cents per round, as has been mentioned several times). As for a handgun, I like the idea of an economical and easily concealed .38 spl revolver, and maybe add a .45 semi-auto in the future. Oh, and a Remington 700 chambered in .308 Winchester for post-apocalyptic Bison sport hunting at 1000 yds, of course. After civilization gets back on its feet, naturally. :D

SilverCity | 03-08-2008 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by silverblood (Post 1002260) I read that whole long thread. It was sort of painful. I sure don't want this thread to turn into that. I'm glad I'm just researching right now. There's a lot of info to digest. Based on that other thread (lordy!) and the comments in this one, I'm coming back around to the idea that the 5.45x39 AK-74 or the 7.62x?? AK-47 have significant advantages for a suburban defensive situation where collecting spent brass would likely be impractical anyway. Plus the cost for the 5.45x39 ammo makes it a more practical choice too (11.1 cents per round, as has been mentioned several times). As for a handgun, I like the idea of an economical and easily concealed .38 spl revolver, and maybe add a .45 semi-auto in the future. Oh, and a Remington 700 chambered in .308 Winchester for post-apocalyptic Bison sport hunting at 1000 yds, of course. After civilization gets back on its feet, naturally. :D
AK-74 in 5.45 wouldn't be a bad...just make sure you buy lots of ammo, cuz there is a good chance it will go away for good and you will have a serious re-supply problem...:smokin: Look at one of the Polish Tantals or WASR-2s (most affordable) or Romanian SAR-2s...or an Arsenal SLR-105 (pricey) if you can find one.

silverblood | 03-09-2008 01:17 AM
Re: What gun to get next? Wikipedia says the AK-74 is still being used by a lot of countries. Outdated info?

Infidel | 03-09-2008 03:40 AM
Re: What gun to get next? AK 74 if the newer variant. it is the one that the Russian army uses and sells currently. I guess you were asking if ak 47 is the one tha tis outdated info. I would not bet on it. close to a 100 000 000 of this gun has been distributed around the world. It is easy enough to build on a kitchen table. http://howtobuildanaktyperifle.com/ And these things are not prone to getting old. They just keep going, and going and .... they are easily repaired

silverblood | 03-09-2008 03:57 AM
Re: What gun to get next? I was referring to this comment that Silver City said: Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1002309) AK-74 in 5.45 wouldn't be a bad...just make sure you buy lots of ammo, cuz there is a good chance it will go away for good and you will have a serious re-supply problem...:smokin:
Seemed to imply that 5.45x39 ammo might not be around for long.

Mumwaldee | 03-09-2008 05:03 AM
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SilverCity | 03-09-2008 09:59 AM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by silverblood (Post 1002410) I was referring to this comment that Silver City said: Seemed to imply that 5.45x39 ammo might not be around for long.
From what I understand, one of the reasons we are seeing Bulgarian 5.45x39 ammo hit the US markets is that they are converting to 5.56 NATO and eventually old stores of the cheap 5.45 will dry up. Looking ahead to a Democratic presidency, we could well see an import ban on all foreign weapons and ammo, IMO. So if you plan on getting an AK in 5.45, stockpile as much ammo as you can...as the saying goes, "buy it cheap and stack it deep." And YES the Saiga in .223 or 7.62x39 is a good choice--in your case probably a better one--now that there are higher-capacity magazine choices available with Surefire...

silverblood | 03-09-2008 04:44 PM
Re: What gun to get next? Got it. You can buy 10,000 rounds for a reasonable sum of money right now. Can a typical AK-74 last for 10,000 rounds, or would it be advisable to have a more than one gun to feed that much ammo through? (I know that is probably a dumb question, but I have no idea).

LibertyAZ | 03-09-2008 04:57 PM
Re: What gun to get next? two is one, one is none. I.e. all mechanical things break. If you have two you have a spare.

Prometheus | 03-09-2008 06:36 PM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by silverblood (Post 1002916) Got it. You can buy 10,000 rounds for a reasonable sum of money right now. Can a typical AK-74 last for 10,000 rounds, or would it be advisable to have a more than one gun to feed that much ammo through? (I know that is probably a dumb question, but I have no idea).
No dumb questions, it'd suck to have 10k rounds of ammo for a gun that is rated for much less. The AK47 and AK74 will still be going strong at 10,000 rounds. You might need another set of springs or maybe a new fire control group (currently running 30ish bucks for the G2 group) at around 10,000+ depending, but the rest of the rifle will be fine for upwards of 20k. You might see a slight drop in accuracy after pushing thru 10k+ but nothing substaintial till after you hit 15-20k-ish... even then it's still going to do you fine for 0-200 yards anyway. If you are going to stock 10k+ rounds (a great idea) it'd be advisable to get 2 of them. 2 WASR2's will run the same cost as one AR-15.

SilverCity | 03-09-2008 06:45 PM
Re: What gun to get next? Quote:
Originally Posted by silverblood (Post 1002916) Got it. You can buy 10,000 rounds for a reasonable sum of money right now. Can a typical AK-74 last for 10,000 rounds, or would it be advisable to have a more than one gun to feed that much ammo through? (I know that is probably a dumb question, but I have no idea).
Check out this link: http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/vie...?f=122&t=31796 Quote: "..it was tested EXACTLY as it was last used by a Romanian soldier who ran easily a couple hundred thousand rounds through this thing in full auto..."

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