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mamboni | 09-29-2006 10:06 AM
Escape from the USA - to go where? America is slowly becoming a police state. Thanks to Bush and the Neocons, their phony "war on terror" is being used to strip away individual rights of privacy, property and due process day by day. And a corrupt feckless Congress silently acquiesses. America, once the free-market industrial powerhouse, innovator and envy (materially and politically) of the world, has already degenerated into a de facto socialist welfare state. I am considering leaving the USA because I have two children 15 and 17 and I want them to have a better future, with reasonable protections to their freedom and some opportunities. But, the USA seems to have inserted it's corroding tentacles into the virtual four corners of the globe. So, while I have concluded that the USA's future will be dismal, I am uncertain that there is any place else worth running to. GIM members are international in scope so I ask: is there any country or enclave where a person can still work, keep most of what he honestly earns free of confiscutory taxes, and enjoy relative privacy and freedom from the ever intrusive and controlling government? :albertein

teedub31 | 09-29-2006 10:16 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Outside of Isreal, I can't think of any other place you would want to be!:wink: :wink:

electric-amish | 09-29-2006 10:17 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? If your goal is to get out of the United States sphere of influence there are countries that have nothing in common with the US or its tentacles you could move to China, Russia, Middle East. If you want a country that enjoys privacy freedom and low taxs you change the Laws where you live of go off radar in some back water hole. Electric-Amish

Tn...Andy | 09-29-2006 10:18 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? so I ask: is there any country or enclave where a person can still work, keep most of what he honestly earns free of confiscutory taxes, and enjoy relative privacy and freedom from the ever intrusive and controlling government? Human nature being about the same, I doubt it. AND if you do find one, it is simply the next target.

TheKingsSon | 09-29-2006 10:19 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? If it helps here's what God told us Christians. You may want to take a hint. 1John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

<SLV> | 09-29-2006 10:24 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Revelation 6:15 "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains." ---------------- The best thing I can think of is to own a piece of farm land in middle-of-nowhere Canada. Before the poop hits the propellor you had better build a small cellar/shack up there and stock it with survival gear including seeds and hunting/fishing equipment.

SilverNuts@Bolts | 09-29-2006 10:29 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Cuba, where you can chose, which side of the fence you want to be,,,

goddess | 09-29-2006 10:35 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? http://music.barnesandnoble.com/sear...disc=3&track=1

mamboni | 09-29-2006 10:48 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? 1 Attachment(s) The responses so far have varied from sardonic to sarcastic to irreverent, with a couple expressing frank and honest dispair at the limited prospects. This is a tough crowd! To quote Lloyd Bridges: "I guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue!"

SilverNuts@Bolts | 09-29-2006 10:54 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by mamboni (Post 372846) The responses so far have varied from sardonic to sarcastic to irreverent, with a couple expressing frank and honest dispair at the limited prospects. This is a tough crowd! To quote Lloyd Bridges: "I guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue!"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Well, you are always welcome, to come to Canada if, you can stand the cold winters.

Large Sarge | 09-29-2006 10:56 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? I have thought Costa Rica might not be bad, its kind of the "switzerland of central America", international neutrality, peace, etc Great Climate. lots of pluses IMO farther out would be New Zealand, perhaps some places in S. E. asia (thailand, malaysia??) pretty short list if Argentina gets there $hit together it might not be bad.

GoldWampum | 09-29-2006 11:26 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by goddess (Post 372835) http://music.barnesandnoble.com/sear...disc=3&track=1
:rofl: Good one Goddess.:beer:

GoldWampum | 09-29-2006 11:28 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverNuts@Bolts (Post 372852) :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Well, you are always welcome, to come to Canada if, you can stand the cold winters.
Canada is part of the NA Union. It'll be just like the US before long.

noelephant | 09-29-2006 11:34 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by mamboni (Post 372800) GIM members are international in scope so I ask: is there any country or enclave where a person can still work, keep most of what he honestly earns free of confiscutory taxes, and enjoy relative privacy and freedom from the ever intrusive and controlling government? :albertein
*Sigh* I honestly do not know. Here is what one guy has to say anyway; I think he is anticipating World War II shortly. http://www.threeworldwars.com/archiv...news043.htm#03 "That said, my current favorite safe havens are: * The islands (not mainland) of SE Asia: o Thailand o Malaysia o Cambodia o Laos o Vietnam o Myanmar o Indonesia o Philippines * New Zealand * Fiji and surrounding islands I would avoid the northern hemisphere completely, and East is better than West, in my opinion. If you must remain near the US, Hawaii is a relatively safe option until they start using it as a naval base."

Ghost Recon | 09-29-2006 12:14 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/movingassets.php

Curtman | 09-29-2006 12:18 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Nobody mentions India. I would just like to take over the United States if it was possible to generate enough allies to the constitution. Have to say some of the Australian women I have spoke to know how to treat a man. The men are not affraid to fight either, I just do not understand why they gave up their guns so easy.

PatColo | 09-29-2006 12:22 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by Large Sarge (Post 372854) I have thought Costa Rica might not be bad, its kind of the "switzerland of central America", international neutrality, peace, etc Great Climate.
CR's south/eastern neighbor Panama is also good. Pretty much on par with CR development wise, big international banking hub (biggest outside of Geneva) which may offer some stability, as the banksters foreclose on the world. The canal is also an important asset and revenue producer. Popular country for establishing corporations, foundations etc due to easy laws and good privacy. Corruption is light by Latin American standards (it's very class/nepotism based), though all of Latin America can only aspire to the heights of the organized crime syndicate in DC. Like most of Latin America, Pan's federal gummit is largely remote controlled from Langley VA. I was in Panama looking around the first half of this year. Found it very nice. Didn't buy anything though, as I'd seen prices had skyrocketed in the past 5 years or so, in many cases 1000s of percent. I was concerned about buying at the top, as I closely watched the US housing bubble crater. Still a little cheaper than CR in general though; Panama would have been a get-rich-quick paradise if you were in it 5 years ago... looking forward, as US progresses into depression, I'm not sure what Panama will experience asset value wise. Of what I saw, I liked the western Chiriqui province best, borders CR, agricultural breadbasket with mega rich volcanic soil and plenty of precip. They say, watch where you spit your seeds, if you don't want that type of plant growing there. There is a cottage industry there catering to 'murkan expats-- esp real estate sales, permanent residency assistance, and corporation/foundation establishment. Financial scammers are a dime a dozen, so if you decide to set up shop there, you'll want to rely on a network of trustees. Even the lawyer/firms there are too often crooks and cons. So I've bookmarked Panama, and am watching things there closely. I met an old timer there who was really high on Argentina, but he was setting up his assets in a Panama foundation, somehow cocooned inside of another corporation based in the Carribean... that's a whole field of study in itself. But he was there taking care of business, then planned to settle in Argentina. He's 75, widower, and doing all this asset bulletproofing for his only son. He was high on Argentina for, among its many assets, their stunningly beautiful women. Panama and CR hold their own in this regard, I might add. They're nice, age well, and treat men like kings.. but as with the world over, there's usually an economic support undercurrent. But they're nowhere near as far gone as the materialistic, obese, prozac popping gringa stereotype-- as male visitors there quickly agree. The expats you'll meet abroad are, generally speaking, far more interesting people than the homebodies you'll meet here.

Infidel | 09-29-2006 12:22 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? NZ still might be a choice. they got thei own problems with maori n such and are anglos, which in this nwo game is a minus, they are far away enough though that in any loss of direct uplink the country will revert to it's "who gives a fvck" attitude

silvergonecrazy | 09-29-2006 12:24 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? how about the university of pheonix--noone could find you there:aetsch:

GoldWampum | 09-29-2006 12:29 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? 7 years in Tibet? Yeah Thai would be cool but the coup. Who knows now.

PatColo | 09-29-2006 12:31 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 372933) If you've never been to CR, I suggest you go - it is stunning in its beauty and the natives are very laid back and generally very friendly toward Norte Americanos. It is indeed paradise so Ticos and Ticas aren't clamoring to escape to the states, they are very happy where they are. The common phrase down there is Pura Vida - the pure life. However, as a relocation destination it has its problems. For one thing, in order to own real estate there with a minimum of headache it is necessary to permanently retain a lawyer who specializes in monitoring the land records so someone doesn't file a claim against your property which would result in you losing it. Another problem is the level of crime, especially petty theft, which is on the rise there. In San Jose there is not a single piece of property that isn't secured with burglar bars, walls, security guards, dogs, and/or roll down riot gates. One has to drive for about an hour out into the countryside until one begins to notice a lower level of property security. Oh yeah, and there are earthquakes a couple of times a year so all the roofs are constructed of sheet metal so they aren't so heavy which could lead to a building collapse.
I'll second that on San Jose CR. It's not even safe to walk the streets alone at night. There are groupings of TV prostitutes who molest you and try to pickpocket you. Aggresive panhandlers follow you for a block trying to wear you down into giving them some coin. Most visitors don't like San Jose, though it's one of the world's mongering paradises, big sex-tourism economy. CR minus San Jose: Nice.

Large Sarge | 09-29-2006 12:32 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldWampum (Post 372973) 7 years in Tibet? Yeah Thai would be cool but the coup. Who knows now.
There was an article on prison planet about the coup, it basically said the military and some others were throwing out the crooks and all the guys from the CFR Like if a group of generals approached shrub, cheney, kissinger, and friends and said "Start packing... we do not need you here anymore" A.J. said it was a "Good Coup" Unsure myself

GoldWampum | 09-29-2006 12:36 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by Large Sarge (Post 372976) There was an article on prison planet about the coup, it basically said the military and some others were throwing out the crooks and all the guys from the CFR Like if a group of generals approached shrub, cheney, kissinger, and friends and said "Start packing... we do not need you here anymore" A.J. said it was a "Good Coup" Unsure myself
That could be true Sarge. Some time should tell.

Ponce Cuba | 09-29-2006 12:36 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? As you people know I will be buying my "Silver Island" one of this days so that now I am "window shopping" on the web....... have seen a couple of them of the coast of Panama and of Belise for around $200,000. One has a small home and the other one does not but I really don't care about it to much because I'll be building my own...... the main thing is that I want it to be AWAY from people and this two island are to close to shore. First post of the day...... good morning to one and all.

sammydogs64 | 09-29-2006 12:39 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? sent on 3 day vacation, expenses paid

goddess | 09-29-2006 12:42 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydogs64 (Post 372987) Shut Up! You are so full of SH*T. You are not going anywhere so just sit down and shut up looser!
:thumpdown Not cool. I think you need a one way trip on the ban wagon.

Ponce Cuba | 09-29-2006 12:46 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? A hell of a way to post with only 17 of them.......... "G?"

Large Sarge | 09-29-2006 12:49 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydogs64 (Post 372987) Shut Up! You are so full of SH*T. You are not going anywhere so just sit down and shut up looser!
pretty uncalled for This is not even a "heated debate", we are not talking politics, religion, sex, etc Just where to go before SHTF bad party foul IMO

Curtman | 09-29-2006 01:01 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? How bout the island of beautiful women? http://www.cartoons.hpg.ig.com.br/imagens/pjb.gif

WillTheSHTF? | 09-29-2006 02:26 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? I think anyone considering moving to a foreign country had better think twice. You would basically be a fish out of water. You wouldn't know your way around, probably wouldn't speak the language, might encounter racist hostilities, and would encounter many harships. I think we should go to mostly uninhabited areas in the us that have no sought-after resources (like oil or gas). Won't most of the problems that are on the horizon affect city dwellers? Do you think the government is going to send anyone into the boonies to round a few stragglers here and there? What about the ozark mountains? You could easily get lost there. Property is cheap, there is lots of wildlife. Wouldn't that be a saner move? :wink:

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mamboni | 09-29-2006 02:29 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by Ponce Cuba (Post 372983) As you people know I will be buying my "Silver Island" one of this days so that now I am "window shopping" on the web....... have seen a couple of them of the coast of Panama and of Belise for around $200,000. One has a small home and the other one does not but I really don't care about it to much because I'll be building my own...... the main thing is that I want it to be AWAY from people and this two island are to close to shore. First post of the day...... good morning to one and all.
Hey Ponce: You are a man after my own heart! Would you consider a partner in your island quest? - I promise to stay on my side of the island when picking coconuts!!!:wink: Do you remember the Tom Hanks movie "Cast Away" circa 2000? Well, the only part that was unbelievable to me was the character's herculean efforts to get off the island - heck, I know for sure I would have stayed put - at least for a year or two, maybe twenty! Sure, I would have missed by family - on the other hand....

mamboni | 09-29-2006 02:36 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by WillTheSHTF? (Post 373104) I think anyone considering moving to a foreign country had better think twice. You would basically be a fish out of water. You wouldn't know your way around, probably wouldn't speak the language, might encounter racist hostilities, and would encounter many harships. I think we should go to mostly uninhabited areas in the us that have no sought-after resources (like oil or gas). Won't most of the problems that are on the horizon affect city dwellers? Do you think the government is going to send anyone into the boonies to round a few stragglers here and there? What about the ozark mountains? You could easily get lost there. Property is cheap, there is lots of wildlife. Wouldn't that be a saner move? :wink:
Your words ring of truth, wisdom and experience, one with the quizzical pen name (WilltheSHTF?). I am in rural PA now, on 10 acres. But, I think much more property in a more remote location bears serious consideration, notwithing the WAF. Of course, if Ponce comes through with an invite to "silver island," all of my macinations about relocating would become mute. But, I think yours is good advice - after all, the USA is a big place - and there is always Alaska!!!

demosfen | 09-29-2006 02:59 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Antarctica is pretty rural. May not be able to get internet access there though. :banghead: Even better, inside the earth, assuming that the theory that earth is hollow is true

Wyldwil | 09-29-2006 03:11 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by Marketneutral (Post 372819) Not bad 5 posts in we got a bash against Israel and a post about religion. Who says on Friday's you guys miss a beat? :yippee:
....And Israel was even mispelled!!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:

Turner-son | 09-29-2006 03:55 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by demosfen (Post 373125) Antarctica is pretty rural. May not be able to get internet access there though. :banghead: Even better, inside the earth, assuming that the theory that earth is hollow is true
I'm curious as to what you mean by that last statement. Will you please explain?

keehah | 09-29-2006 04:14 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? My mother had an inheritance and has an few acres over in Germany that the neighbouring farm uses and pays the tax on. Last time out at my mothers I asked for, and got directions to the lot (and some relatives in the area). It was half sarcastic, but seems more sensible almost daily now that this is a good piece of info to put in the bug-out-bag. Crazy times!

demosfen | 09-29-2006 04:30 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by Turner-son (Post 373186) I'm curious as to what you mean by that last statement. Will you please explain?
Google Admiral Richard Byrd. There is quite a few books on this. Here is a brief overview - http://www.2012.com.au/hollow.html

buff01 | 09-29-2006 04:40 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by mamboni (Post 373116) and there is always Alaska!!!
I highly doubt that if TSHTF you'd want to be subsistance farming in Alaska. I suppose Eskimos have done it, but I really doubt it's doable for a non-native.

Turner-son | 09-29-2006 04:43 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by demosfen (Post 373225) Google Admiral Richard Byrd. There is quite a few books on this. Here is a brief overview - http://www.2012.com.au/hollow.html
I see, thanks. My mother always told me if I couldn't say something nice, don't say anything at all. So I won't (I'm not trying to be sarcastic or condescending, I'm just "biting my tongue" as it were). Thanks again.

BAD BAMA | 09-29-2006 04:44 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? if i may this thread is quit disturbing to me if those of you that think the worst for the USA is now upon us i must ask have you folks enjoyed the freedoms of this country because i know i have i feel i am one of the luckiest people on the planet for being born in this country but the gift of the life i live and the freedoms i have were not given without a cost and that cost was paid for me by the founders of this country and all the men and women who fought and died who also sacrificed by taking the hard road at times not because it made their life easier but because the wanted to make our lives better their selflesness is in direct contrast to what i am hearing here it seems that what i am hearing hear is where can i hide until some one else workes out all these problems how shelfish can you get outhers did for you and you are saying f***the next generation i aint trying to risk my comfort for them if you think the country is going to h*ll in a hand basket then shame on you for not fighting to leave it better than you found it i am not trying to pick a fight with any one but if you wont fight or sacrifice then please get to hiding please stay out of the way of those who will fight to keep this country free but dont expect a warm welcome when the smoke clears

mamboni | 09-29-2006 04:54 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by BAD BAMA (Post 373242) if i may this thread is quit disturbing to me if those of you that think the worst for the USA is now upon us i must ask have you folks enjoyed the freedoms of this country because i know i have i feel i am one of the luckiest people on the planet for being born in this country but the gift of the life i live and the freedoms i have were not given without a cost and that cost was paid for me by the founders of this country and all the men and women who fought and died who also sacrificed by taking the hard road at times not because it made their life easier but because the wanted to make our lives better their selflesness is in direct contrast to what i am hearing here it seems that what i am hearing hear is where can i hide until some one else workes out all these problems how shelfish can you get outhers did for you and you are saying f***the next generation i aint trying to risk my comfort for them if you think the country is going to h*ll in a hand basket then shame on you for not fighting to leave it better than you found it i am not trying to pick a fight with any one but if you wont fight or sacrifice then please get to hiding please stay out of the way of those who will fight to keep this country free but dont expect a warm welcome when the smoke clears
Hey Rip van Winkle: Time to wake up: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/092906J.shtml This ain't the same o'l USA, hate to tell ya'. And don't worry, I plan to get out of your way, with my family intact: you can have Herr Bush and the NeoNazis with their wonderful conditional freedoms and security. I hope you like shoe leather - you'll be tasting a lot of it. :rant: :rant: My ancestors fought for this country too. Thank God they're not alive to see how their country has be subverted.

BAD BAMA | 09-29-2006 05:04 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? My ancestors fought for this country too i think the key word here is fought no where do i see the word hide thank god they did sad to see you wont

keehah | 09-29-2006 05:07 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Anyone can bitch Bad BAMA but what is the alternative? How would one stay and fight this once they feel threatened enough they are ready to leave home? Vote democrat?:haha: Form a compound of safety? http://www.serendipity.li/waco/tanks1.jpg The only way you are going to 'fight' this is once things are bad enough, and have been so bad for years, then EVERYONE takes to the streets banging pots and pans. The only alternative is to 'support' China India, Russia and Muslim states if they start pushing back with consequence. And if you do anything else other than banging your pots, you are the target for overwhelming force without checks and balances (thanks to the new legislation) and most of your neighbours today will rat you out. The only real alternative is not to fight, but to drop out of the system (as much as you can) till things are better and I feel that is not too much different than leaving, just with more risk (if things don't get better for a long time). Will you feel better if anyone who has left promises to come back for pot banging time?

SilverBull71 | 09-29-2006 05:11 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by TheKingsSon (Post 372816) If it helps here's what God told us Christians. You may want to take a hint. 1John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
TheKingsSon, Mamboni is looking for real, practical advice. Enough with the bible quotes already. They're not always appropriate...

BAD BAMA | 09-29-2006 05:21 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? intresting choice of picture the majority of the branch davidians chose to fight even at the cost of their life being lost and because of them many in this country were shown what the federal government was all about i personally think that the death of those people did more service to the country than if they would have just given up and moved on some time dieing for what you think is right beats hiding in discrace to save ones hyde or perhaps saving ones hyde at the cost of ones deeply held convictions is an acceptable choice for some

demosfen | 09-29-2006 05:22 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by keehah (Post 373277) The only real alternative is not to fight, but to drop out of the system (as much as you can) till things are better
Why not do both? Otherwise I think it's a good point, being a target doesn't help the fight

R MacDonald | 09-29-2006 05:26 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Here is a link I used for research a while back: http://www.escapeartist.com/ It has a lot of good articles from expats. Also you can check out online or download the CIA's World Factbook: https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...ook/index.html

mamboni | 09-29-2006 06:42 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by R MacDonald (Post 373296) Here is a link I used for research a while back: http://www.escapeartist.com/ It has a lot of good articles from expats. Also you can check out online or download the CIA's World Factbook: https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...ook/index.html
Thank for you the useful links, and for using grammatically correct sentences not full of mispelled words, sloppy syntax and poor punctuation. I guess those southern public schools aren't up to northern standards. Some say that people judge you by the way you speak [write] and the words you use - I know I do. Thanks again.

GoldWampum | 09-29-2006 07:42 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtman (Post 373019) How bout the island of beautiful women?
Isla Mujeres, Isle of Women

Curtman | 09-29-2006 08:09 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Thats what i'm talking about... :rock:

GREENSILVERHORN | 09-29-2006 08:13 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? http://img205.echo.cx/img205/5417/liverpoolclock2gr.gif How about the sea of holes? http://yellowsubmarine.blogdrive.com/

coin | 09-29-2006 08:18 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by Infidel (Post 372965) NZ still might be a choice. they got their own problems with maori n such and are anglos, which in this nwo game is a minus, they are far away enough though that in any loss of direct uplink the country will revert to it's "who gives a fvck" attitude
http://www.hdnz.org/constitution.php .

Ponce Cuba | 09-29-2006 08:21 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by demosfen (Post 373225) Google Admiral Richard Byrd. There is quite a few books on this. Here is a brief overview - http://www.2012.com.au/hollow.html
Desmo? where did I get Commodore? Perry from? I thought that he was the one.

Atahualpa | 09-29-2006 08:23 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by coin (Post 373463) http://www.hdnz.org/constitution.php .
Hey Book! What's happening dude? Are you slinking around the forum trying to keep a low profile? You saw what happened to Onepence didn't you? hahahahhahah!!!!!!!!

Curtman | 09-29-2006 08:26 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Time traveler John Titor http://www.johntitor.com/ said that Nebraska will be where the government reorganizes after the breakup of the country. I think it was around 2030 but you may want to read to double check. He said that the country will break up into 5 province like regions if I remember right. Maybe it was starting in 2012 now that I think about it. :confused:

Curtman | 09-29-2006 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Curtman (Post 373480) Time traveler John Titor http://www.johntitor.com/ said that Nebraska will be where the government reorganizes after the breakup of the country. I think it was around 2030 but you may want to read to double check. He said that the country will break up into 5 province like regions if I remember right. Maybe it was starting in 2012 now that I think about it. :confused:
Before John left our time in 2001, he warned us about a "lie" that would change our life in 2005. Is this it? Is this under-the-table agreement between Mexico, the US and Canada to form a "North American Union" the lie John spoke of? In the agreement, the plan will take shape in our country by 2010. What will this do to our constitution? How will it effect business in the US? How do they plan to stop terror attacks? Why hasn't Congress voted on this? Notice the date John told us Spanish was a lot more popular in Texas. It's exactly four years from the day when the agreement was signed by President Bush in Waco Texas. http://www.johntitor.com/

Green Mountain Boy | 09-29-2006 09:06 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 372933) If you've never been to CR, I suggest you go - it is stunning in its beauty and the natives are very laid back and generally very friendly toward Norte Americanos. It is indeed paradise so Ticos and Ticas aren't clamoring to escape to the states, they are very happy where they are. The common phrase down there is Pura Vida - the pure life. However, as a relocation destination it has its problems. For one thing, in order to own real estate there with a minimum of headache it is necessary to permanently retain a lawyer who specializes in monitoring the land records so someone doesn't file a claim against your property which would result in you losing it. Another problem is the level of crime, especially petty theft, which is on the rise there. In San Jose there is not a single piece of property that isn't secured with burglar bars, walls, security guards, dogs, and/or roll down riot gates. One has to drive for about an hour out into the countryside until one begins to notice a lower level of property security. Oh yeah, and there are earthquakes a couple of times a year so all the roofs are constructed of sheet metal so they aren't so heavy which could lead to a building collapse.
There's a good chance I will be traveling to Costa Rica in December for two or three weeks. My aunt is married to a Tico and has been living down there for the past 10 years. I will be doing some work with my father on their house which is in the Central Valley - about an hour away from San Jose. It's definitely an ideal place. If the SHTF while we're down there, hell, I might just decide to stay.

SilverNuts@Bolts | 09-29-2006 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Mountain Boy (Post 373527) There's a good chance I will be traveling to Costa Rica in December for two or three weeks. My aunt is married to a Tico and has been living down there for the past 10 years. I will be doing some work with my father on their house which is in the Central Valley - about an hour away from San Jose. It's definitely an ideal place. If the SHTF while we're down there, hell, I might just decide to stay.
Let us know, how thing are going,,,

Green Mountain Boy | 09-29-2006 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 373551) The central valley is gorgeous if you've never been there. I envy you. Please report back.
I'll report back for sure. It will be my first time to Costa Rica....looking forward to it a lot.

larsvt | 09-29-2006 09:48 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? i've done some research into moving to another country. it seems the easiest way is to be rich and pay your way out, but since most people aren't, the most practical way is to find a job in another country. makes it a less bumpy transition.

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GREENSILVERHORN | 09-29-2006 10:16 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? The sea and the world is yours.:captain: http://robot-club.com/pirates/ship-2000.JPG S.S. G.I.M. leaves port whenever we want.

Curtman | 09-29-2006 10:29 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Now wheres Patriot act when you need him? He could really dress that thing up wit a crew. GSH would have to be in the crows nest along with Hmmmm? HT? BOOK?

GoldWampum | 09-29-2006 10:35 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by GREENSILVERHORN (Post 373585) The sea and the world is yours.:captain: http://robot-club.com/pirates/ship-2000.JPG S.S. G.I.M. leaves port whenever we want.
Gotta admit, there is no feeling as free as sailing.

GREENSILVERHORN | 09-29-2006 10:39 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtman (Post 373595) Now wheres Patriot act when you need him? He could really dress that thing up wit a crew. GSH would have to be in the crows nest along with Hmmmm? HT? BOOK?
Keef's got choice. Pond's got the crows nest, Gunner on the gun, Wampum man's the sail. Curtman, somebodys gotta swab the deck. I'll be entertaining a church service in the cabin repository.:D

Curtman | 09-29-2006 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GREENSILVERHORN (Post 373610) Keef's got choice. Pond's got the crows nest, Gunner on the gun, Wampum man's the sail. Curtman, somebodys gotta swab the deck. I'll be entertaining a church service in the cabin repository.:D
I'll tell you what, you guys just try to keep up will ya? :rock:

des00s | 09-29-2006 10:57 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? It is my dream to sail around the world. Unfortunately I get violently motion sick.

GREENSILVERHORN | 09-29-2006 11:01 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Curtman, that thing ain't big enough for your booty. Really, you should consider the mop job.:smile:

Curtman | 09-29-2006 11:11 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by GREENSILVERHORN (Post 373638) Curtman, that thing ain't big enough for your booty. Really, you should consider the mop job.:smile:
It's a 42 footer and it is laid out very nice. It is not mine unfortunately, but it is close.

GREENSILVERHORN | 09-29-2006 11:41 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtman (Post 373644) It's a 42 footer and it is laid out very nice. It is not mine unfortunately, but it is close.
Now your talking my language. I will have to take a closer look.:bandit: What channel does the Coast Guard use anyway?

Curtman | 09-29-2006 11:51 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by GREENSILVERHORN (Post 373660) Now your talking my language. I will have to take a closer look.:bandit: What channel does the Coast Guard use anyway?
Look Here, http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...ncedSearch.jsp

Curtman | 09-29-2006 11:55 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Sorry I didn't get you last part of your question answered above. we are on 16 or 156.800 MHz Look here, http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/vhf.htm

GREENSILVERHORN | 09-30-2006 12:13 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? O.K. Curtman you've been promoted. To the galley, I hear you like to make healthy grub. I guess we'll put swabin the decks on a rotation.

Curtman | 09-30-2006 12:35 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? I think there are some better cooks in the group than I. I think I will just take my position as observor and funster.

WAoG | 09-30-2006 01:15 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by mamboni (Post 373366) Thank for you the useful links, and for using grammatically correct sentences not full of mispelled words, sloppy syntax and poor punctuation. I guess those southern public schools aren't up to northern standards. Some say that people judge you by the way you speak [write] and the words you use - I know I do. Thanks again.
Well God said to judge no man. As he has already done that. The man seems to have much more wisdom than you. You appear as a coward with no balls that will run and hide to dodge your responsible to restore the nation his family has lived and profited in. God has stated plain and clear in the Bible that if you are without balls and you do not bloody your weapon to fight for your God given rights. He is going to burn up your coward soul on the last day. Sorry if I don't talk real nice or spell that well. But that is what God said he was going to do in Hillbilly (common, country folk, honest talk).

GREENSILVERHORN | 09-30-2006 03:19 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? But WAoG, to stay is to follow the beast. Searching for freedom is the brave's assault. Your ancestors set the example for you.

mamboni | 09-30-2006 12:09 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by WAoG (Post 373693) Well God said to judge no man. As he has already done that. The man seems to have much more wisdom than you. You appear as a coward with no balls that will run and hide to dodge your responsible to restore the nation his family has lived and profited in. God has stated plain and clear in the Bible that if you are without balls and you do not bloody your weapon to fight for your God given rights. He is going to burn up your coward soul on the last day. Sorry if I don't talk real nice or spell that well. But that is what God said he was going to do in Hillbilly (common, country folk, honest talk).
But, you say you know God and will now judge me. In your haste to condemn my mortal soul you completely misinterpreted what I wrote. When I spoke of judging a person based upon his use of language, I obviously meant it as a gauge of his intelligence and attention to craft, not as a measure of the goodness of his soul or his godliness. You have no right to assign responsibility or obligation to me or my family vis-a-vis the fate of this nation, except for acts of my own commission to that end, of which you have no knowledge. I am free to go where and with whom I choose. All I have and all I hold have been earned according to the rules of our system, fairly, through honest labors and efforts by me, and at no expense to others. I am not your slave or servant. You invoke the lord's name like some mongrel kid braying about his friend the bully - you sound like some ridiculous fire-breathing preacher. I am resigned to answer for my conduct in this mortal coil at the assigned time - I live my life accordingly but would never be so bold as to speak for the father as you do. You are the reason I choose to leave this country; you do not understand what free will is; you do not respect freedom for all; you speak with arrogant self-righteous indignation against my mere desire to choose another home - you are like a toothless lion whose roar is only irritating, but serves no useful purpose. I forgive you your trespass against me. But rest assured, I would bloody my club upon any man who attempts to restrain me and mine from exercising our freedoms: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You speak of my responsibilities, to the fatherland as it were. So tell me, for what do you hold Mr. Bush responsible in kind? Or Mr. Cheney? Or the members of Congress? You speak to me as an officer would speak to a draftee, about obligation and duty to the nation. So Sir: what is your plan? What will you do? What are your responsibilties to the nation?

Scorpio | 09-30-2006 01:16 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? now that was a good post mamboni, It is very easy to preach at and to others, IMO each has to follow his own path and answer for it accordingly.

wetnose23 | 09-30-2006 02:45 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? maybe this will help you: http://www.expatfocus.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Human_Development_Index http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_without_borders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Corruption http://www.heritage.org/research/fea.../countries.cfm --just added.

GREENSILVERHORN | 09-30-2006 03:37 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...anking-fix.PNG Welcome wetnose, interesting little map on one of those links. I say the course for the S.S. G.I.M. should be charted around the South American coastline.

mamboni | 09-30-2006 04:02 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by GREENSILVERHORN (Post 374057) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...anking-fix.PNG Welcome wetnose, interesting little map on one of those links. I say the course for the S.S. G.I.M. should be charted around the South American coastline.
Captain GreenSilverhorn: With respect to your authority and concern for this good ship GIM and all willing souls aboard, I say we set our course for the South Seas post haste, to the coasts off Australia and New Zealand. Men speak of wondrous creatures and lands of green and silver seas as far as the eye can see. Let us endeavor to 'put a shrimp on the barbie!" Ay, and men can be men and women can be women!!! Where gold and silver still stir the ancient passions for all things real and true! Where nary a rectangular paper promise be accepted or promulgated amongst honorable men!:coolbeer: Your humble midshipman: mambonius aureus argentum

GREENSILVERHORN | 09-30-2006 04:15 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by mamboni (Post 374067) Captain GreenSilverhorn: With respect to your authority and concern for this good ship GIM and all willing souls aboard, I say we set our course for the South Seas post haste, to the coasts off Australia and New Zealand. Men speak of wondrous creatures and lands of green and silver seas as far as the eye can see. Let us endeavor to 'put a shrimp on the barbie!" Ay, and men can be men and women can be women!!! Where gold and silver still stir the ancient passions for all things real and true! Where nary a rectangular paper promise be accepted or promulgated amongst honorable men!:coolbeer: Your humble midshipman: mambonius aureus argentum
Class and style, a general necessity among those castaways, and set adrift. To you kind sir and gentleman I can only reply, it shall be considered. That way is a mighty long journey.

GB1980 | 10-02-2006 01:33 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? You have got to be kidding! Pick a place outside the borders of this country that you think can give you what you want. Think you lost some rights here--wait until you live somewhere else--you're in for a big surprise. You are probably one of those apeasers that doesn't think anything is worth fighting for in this country. Take your kids and get out--just make a decision and get out. We will be better without your type. Have a nice day! :haha:

GREENSILVERHORN | 10-02-2006 04:09 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by GB1980 (Post 375555) You have got to be kidding! Pick a place outside the borders of this country that you think can give you what you want. Think you lost some rights here--wait until you live somewhere else--you're in for a big surprise. You are probably one of those apeasers that doesn't think anything is worth fighting for in this country. Take your kids and get out--just make a decision and get out. We will be better without your type. Have a nice day! :haha:
Uts a matter for you? Don't you know posters on this forum already have all they've wanted? Now they are just trying to find a way to keep you hands off of it.:D

Curtman | 10-02-2006 04:14 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by GREENSILVERHORN (Post 375718) Uts a matter for you? Don't you know posters on this forum already have all they've wanted? Now they are just trying to find a way to keep you hands off of it.:D
:rofl: :haha: Ahhh from 1980 too. Wasn't that the year all the girls decided we needed haircuts and they needed to start wearing more clothes instead of wandering around all native and stuff? Yea, the death of the mini skirts and for what, Disco? :eek: Balls do I miss them little hippy chix... :D

WAoG | 10-06-2006 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by mamboni (Post 373903) But, you say you know God and will now judge me. In your haste to condemn my mortal soul you completely misinterpreted what I wrote. When I spoke of judging a person based upon his use of language, I obviously meant it as a gauge of his intelligence and attention to craft, not as a measure of the goodness of his soul or his godliness. You have no right to assign responsibility or obligation to me or my family vis-a-vis the fate of this nation, except for acts of my own commission to that end, of which you have no knowledge. I am free to go where and with whom I choose. All I have and all I hold have been earned according to the rules of our system, fairly, through honest labors and efforts by me, and at no expense to others. I am not your slave or servant. You invoke the lord's name like some mongrel kid braying about his friend the bully - you sound like some ridiculous fire-breathing preacher. I am resigned to answer for my conduct in this mortal coil at the assigned time - I live my life accordingly but would never be so bold as to speak for the father as you do. You are the reason I choose to leave this country; you do not understand what free will is; you do not respect freedom for all; you speak with arrogant self-righteous indignation against my mere desire to choose another home - you are like a toothless lion whose roar is only irritating, but serves no useful purpose. I forgive you your trespass against me. But rest assured, I would bloody my club upon any man who attempts to restrain me and mine from exercising our freedoms: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You speak of my responsibilities, to the fatherland as it were. So tell me, for what do you hold Mr. Bush responsible in kind? Or Mr. Cheney? Or the members of Congress? You speak to me as an officer would speak to a draftee, about obligation and duty to the nation. So Sir: what is your plan? What will you do? What are your responsibilties to the nation?
I'm not judging you. God is going to do that, not me It's not me condemning your soul. You wish to flee with your wealth and family without even firing a shot. God told everyone in the Bible just what was going to happen. I'm not sure if I'm even allowed to prove it to you by posting these scriptures. They have special rules just for me? So I won't post those passages. But he said quite clear his people would be stuck in pigeon holes robbed every time they turn around. All the taxes on every move you make. He also stated quite clear if you would return to following His Law and get yourself right with Him. Then Obey Him and fight to return your nation to His Laws. He would crush your enemy's for you. It will be God that condemns you for not fighting for Him and your nation. Again its not me that gives you this challenge, this order, this responsibility. Its God that does this. No if and or buts about it. Its all written down in plain English for all see and read. Its an ORDER from God. He told everyone thousands of years ago what their responsibility is. What was going to happen to your country if you did not follow these orders. You country is sick and stopped following orders and He has Ordered you to fight to Fix this problem. If you do not fight to fix this problem He is going to BURN UP YOUR SOUL that has lived for millions of years. Plain and simple. Any hillbilly can understand this, if its pointed out to them. Again I just point out that any body that can read and has any understanding, what God has ordered you to do. He who values his life will lose it. That means your soul, forever lost, burnt up. You are supposed to be a servant of God and do as Ordered. Your freewill in not Obeying God is what got this country in the mess it is in now. Now you plan to take your wealth and run? A club may not even be legal in the country you run to. You even hurt the man that robs your new house. You just may be sued for your wealth and jailed. Will that be your new freedom? Everything that is happening now was foretold. If you are wounded in the balls and do not bloody your weapon your soul is doomed. Did George Washington and crew take their wealth and flee. They did not. They fought and started a great country that you have profited from. Most the common people that lived here in thoses day Obeyed God and still did till not that long ago. This country was blessed because of those belivers. You have your wealth because of those people Obeying God. Them keeping the Commandments and God blessing this land. I understood what you were saying. Some very smart hillbillies out there. They never went to government schools for long, but in their bones they know what is going on. These men can build a house, fix a car or tractor and do about any other thing needed to survive. Plant crops, raise livestock, catch fish and hunt etc. I like living around these type people and I believed you were looking down on this type man. That is the way you came off to me in that post. I believe they are murdering criminals. Plan. You need to get right with God. Obey the Covenant. Obey God. Listen to this interview about the Law part one and two. More than once have a Bible out to see he is telling you the truth. http://jahtruth.net/radio.htm No mater what some people here think about JAH this interview spells out what needs to be done. http://www.halturnershow.com/AdviceForLoneWolves.html Henry Ford told what he thought needed to be done. See below. One way or the other, were going to find you, find you, get you, get you, get you. In the end, we win. Its all been foretold. That's between me and God. I'm no way near perfect.

WAoG | 10-07-2006 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Scorpio (Post 373951) now that was a good post mamboni, It is very easy to preach at and to others, IMO each has to follow his own path and answer for it accordingly.
I'm tired of your un-American values. I'm tired of your hatred of free-speech. I have no need to ever read a post by you. You appear to me to be devoid of wisdom about anything but making bucks. As I just have no interest in trading paper for more paper I see no worth in reading anymore of your posts. So you are number two on my ignore list. I'm sure you are proud of being number two on my ignore list. From all the time and all the forums that I have posted on the internet you are the second person I am going to put on an ignore list. Delete my posts as you will. Censer me as you please. By By Scorpio. Ps. When you sign your PMs with an S does that stand for satan :-) Don't bother answering that because I plan on not seeing anymore of your words!! Well I can't put you on ignore. But believe me you are on my ignore list. You will be number two on my ignore list for ever more. Believe me I plan on wasting no more time on reading any words from you.

mamboni | 10-08-2006 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by WAoG (Post 379367) I'm not judging you. God is going to do that, not me It's not me condemning your soul. You wish to flee with your wealth and family without even firing a shot. .... In the end, we win. Its all been foretold. That's between me and God. I'm no way near perfect. [/SIZE][/FONT]
My hunch is that a disproportionate percentage of GIMers vis-a-vis the general American public are dissatisfied with the present state of affairs here in the USA, even the one known as Scorpio, and the trend towards lesser freedoms, lesser tolerance, lesser free markets, more statism, etc. I am concerned primarily with my children and their future. Only God knows what winning means. If I can make my kids aware and nimble enough to maintain their dignity and freedom, and live life as they choose, that to me is a small victory. As for America, the only way to take her back from the bankers and the politicians is by enlightening one neighbor at a time - something I do systematically. We [the good guys who believe in the old America built on the bedrock principles of the US Constitution] are a shrinking minority - most Americans are too comfortable to take to arms [ideologically], too fearful of our way of thinking [which invalidates their materialistic lifestyle] or simply so ignorant of their own western-european history [courtesy of the dumbing down of our public schools] that they are incapable of seeing the long view. While I want to fight the good fight for America, to return her to her good graces and time-honored values, I am also a parent - I must provide an escape option for my kids. Frankly, I think the odds are very much against us. Most people are selfish, self-centered and lazy - they have no interest in overarching principles like freedom, justice, hard work and thrift, let alone the golden rule. You should know that I attend a bible church weekly with my family. However, I have not been baptized in this church and do not take communion. I listen to the preacher, a man of erudition and religious conviction, more to learn about Christ and his teachings. No, I have not accepted Christ as the literal son of God, creator of the universe. I am a skeptic - but I want to believe. Honestly, as I am heavily trained in the hard sciences and very much the objectivist, I can't honestly understand Christianity and Christ. I can't get my mind around it. And, I am incapable at present of accepting Christian faith blindly - it just goes against the grain for me and feels dishonest to do so. But, I do try to live as a Christian: to be honest, to be humble, to be kind and helpful to others, and to be forgiving - I admit to having trouble with the last one however: I am very angry at Bush and the Neocons and what they and the bankers are doing to this country - I can't forgive them. My animous towards them is decidedly unChristian. Many of my neighbors have accepted Christ as God and the inevitable victory of good over evil. I hope they are right, and do what I can each day to help. But God helps those who help themselves; and if this good ship called the USA starts taking on much more water, then I'm making damn sure my kids are on a good sturdy life boat outa' here.

thorgrim | 10-08-2006 06:34 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by GREENSILVERHORN http://goldismoney.info/forums/image...s/viewpost.gif http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...anking-fix.PNG Welcome wetnose, interesting little map on one of those links. I say the course for the S.S. G.I.M. should be charted around the South American coastline.
I don't agree with the accuracy of this map. The United States has fallen badly in its level of freedom, but I still feel it is freer than Canada and certainly Australia. I'm also pretty sure there are some central and South American countries that should be green according to the chart.

Waypoint-Trading | 10-08-2006 09:17 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by thorgrim (Post 381233) I don't agree with the accuracy of this map. The United States has fallen badly in its level of freedom, but I still feel it is freer than Canada and certainly Australia.
Why do you feel Canada and Australia are "less free" than the US. I live in the US and find it increasingly less free daily. I thought Canada and Australia were more "majority rules" type of governments. Do you feel less free because of the tax structures or the political environment? Just curious....

decebal | 10-08-2006 09:26 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? mamboni great post really. "I'm not judging you. God is going to do that, not me " don't worry mamboni since there is no such thing as a god i'm really sick of some people who believe they are more Righteous because of a particular religion they believe in. i really have no choice as 90% of Americans still believe in this crap and since this forum there are alot of yanks. so it's really takes up alot of my time since usually i read each post until the word 'god' comes up then i have to ignore the rest of that persons post. gee hope i did'nt offend anyone like WAoG hehe i was born in Romania under the then communist dictatorship. my father fled across the boarder in 1981 at the risk of being shot if seen. it's soo nice to be so patriotic under what is still a fairly free system. if you spoke out against the government in romania you would have disapeared and perhaps you family too. if you have the money get the hell out of the country and what is good about being a patriot if your dead? australia is fast becoming a police state too with the introduction of sedition laws. yes thats right even though we did NOT have a terrorist incedent in Australia. we are fast catching up to the USA probably because our Prime Minister want to prove something by following the US in everything. now ofcourse like in the US the government uses the theat of terrorist to put fear into the population so they get re-elected. --------------------------------------------------------- i plan to goto philippines.province not Manila. my mrs is from there and i have been there 4 times, last time was last year stayed for 9 months. Their 2nd language is english so i can manage. i bought a small block of land on the sea front. just need a little money to build a modest house. the cost of food is about 1/3 of here in australia ,electricity about $25 a month can even have an internet connection. what more do i need? was also thinking of building a little cottage for turists just to have a little income. nice climate and very friendly native girls :) an oz of silver may go a long way. you are all welcome to set anchor.

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JCarvingblock | 10-08-2006 09:19 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? The answer is still the same. Centralized money and centralized power are a symbiotic pair. Neither can exist without the other. You wanna escape the control freak's wetdream; you gotta take control of what is money and who creates the money, and how the value of that money is entered into the accounting. There is no other answer. (that i see) Carver

coin | 10-08-2006 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mamboni (Post 373903) But, you say you know God and will now judge me. In your haste to condemn my mortal soul you completely misinterpreted what I wrote. When I spoke of judging a person based upon his use of language, I obviously meant it as a gauge of his intelligence and attention to craft, not as a measure of the goodness of his soul or his godliness. You have no right to assign responsibility or obligation to me or my family vis-a-vis the fate of this nation, except for acts of my own commission to that end, of which you have no knowledge. I am free to go where and with whom I choose. All I have and all I hold have been earned according to the rules of our system, fairly, through honest labors and efforts by me, and at no expense to others. I am not your slave or servant. You invoke the lord's name like some mongrel kid braying about his friend the bully - you sound like some ridiculous fire-breathing preacher. I am resigned to answer for my conduct in this mortal coil at the assigned time - I live my life accordingly but would never be so bold as to speak for the father as you do. You are the reason I choose to leave this country; you do not understand what free will is; you do not respect freedom for all; you speak with arrogant self-righteous indignation against my mere desire to choose another home - you are like a toothless lion whose roar is only irritating, but serves no useful purpose. I forgive you your trespass against me. But rest assured, I would bloody my club upon any man who attempts to restrain me and mine from exercising our freedoms: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You speak of my responsibilities, to the fatherland as it were. So tell me, for what do you hold Mr. Bush responsible in kind? Or Mr. Cheney? Or the members of Congress? You speak to me as an officer would speak to a draftee, about obligation and duty to the nation. So Sir: what is your plan? What will you do? What are your responsibilties to the nation?
this is the very best example of eloquence ever posted on gim. .

decebal | 10-09-2006 01:20 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by JCarvingblock (Post 381683) The answer is still the same. Centralized money and centralized power are a symbiotic pair. Neither can exist without the other. You wanna escape the control freak's wetdream; you gotta take control of what is money and who creates the money, and how the value of that money is entered into the accounting. There is no other answer. (that i see) Carver
what about when the world was on the gold standard ? thats decentralised money isn't it? ok so noone was allowed to make coins but if you found some gold i'm sure you can use it as money.

Green Mountain Boy | 10-09-2006 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by decebal (Post 381813) what about when the world was on the gold standard ? thats decentralised money isn't it? ok so noone was allowed to make coins but if you found some gold i'm sure you can use it as money.
Nope, the City of London/Bank of England/Rothschilds & Co. invented the gold standard to control the gold and to control the world. Centralized money and centralized power has existed for thousands of years. It is not a new development in the course of human history. Decentralized money is when the medium of exchange is not owned by a single person or entity.

buff01 | 10-09-2006 04:03 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? I'll take a berth as ship's cook, if the position is open :) My girlfriend can be the doctor...

<SLV> | 10-09-2006 07:19 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by buff01 (Post 382291) I'll take a berth as ship's cook, if the position is open :) My girlfriend can be the doctor...
Are you sure about that? Maybe you should ask her first...

gunner | 10-09-2006 08:09 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Anyone know very much about Australia on the freedom index? I know the firearm laws are horrible, but that's just one legal aspect. I've read that New Zealand has mandatory voting (defacto national id) and some degree of taxation, although I can't imagine it's as bad as here in the US. A girl that I work with is moving there with her husband in December to start a business. She said that the people there are laid back, friendly and not pretentious. She's lived in Hawaii, NJ and Florida and said that her husband lived in Australia for 10 years, always wanting to go back. Just curious if anyone had any relevant info Housing seems a bit expensive, but it's hard to tell exactly what you get for the money or how everything compares. http://www.realestate.com.au/ http://www.realestate.co.nz/

John | 10-09-2006 08:12 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? I am curious of what people think of something like this. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MESE%3AIT&rd=1 It is 11 acres in Costa Rica for $45,000. It is part of what they are calling an Eco-farm. Apparently started by some Pennsylvania dutch/Amish that migrated to Costa Rica.

gunner | 10-09-2006 08:24 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by gunner (Post 382445) Anyone know very much about Australia on the freedom index? I know the firearm laws are horrible, but that's just one legal aspect. I've read that New Zealand has mandatory voting (defacto national id) and some degree of taxation, although I can't imagine it's as bad as here in the US. A girl that I work with is moving there with her husband in December to start a business. She said that the people there are laid back, friendly and not pretentious. She's lived in Hawaii, NJ and Florida and said that her husband lived in Australia for 10 years, always wanting to go back. Just curious if anyone had any relevant info Housing seems a bit expensive, but it's hard to tell exactly what you get for the money or how everything compares. http://www.realestate.com.au/ http://www.realestate.co.nz/
follow up http://www.allrealestate.co.nz/cgi-b...mi-Rural&o=def

thorgrim | 10-09-2006 08:39 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Well I've read an article about Australia concerning its natural health laws and they are pretty much already following CODEX. Also it has some of the most restrictive gun laws, much worse than Canada even. So if you don't have the right to bare arms or keep yourself healthy, then so what if there are some other areas you might be better off. Canada on the other hand from what I have seen is just as controlled by the NWO as the USA. Just seems that our media and leaders are a bit smoother about how they go about it. I think this has to do with having the USA to blame for many of the things going on. Also we have the CBC which is a large government run TV/radio network. Our current Prime Minister Stephen Harper has been a guest of at least one Bilderberg meeting. Did you know that here in Canada we don't really even have property rights? I think in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that they protect your property from other individuals but not the government itself. I had it explained to me that if for example Toronto passed a law saying that no one could own property in Toronto they wouldn't be in contravention of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The property rights issue is one of the major problems us gun owners are dealing with right now. If the government here in Canada was to confiscate all guns (which is the real reason why we have register them), they wouldn't even have to compensate the owners for their value.

lhslancers | 10-09-2006 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by John (Post 382449) I am curious of what people think of something like this. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MESE%3AIT&rd=1 It is 11 acres in Costa Rica for $45,000. It is part of what they are calling an Eco-farm. Apparently started by some Pennsylvania dutch/Amish that migrated to Costa Rica.
Looks nice. Where's the closest ti--y bar?

buff01 | 10-10-2006 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 382420) Are you sure about that? Maybe you should ask her first...
haha... not THAT kind of doctor! :eek: well, just for me anyway... :clap2: :clap2:

decebal | 10-10-2006 04:44 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by thorgrim (Post 382468) Well I've read an article about Australia concerning its natural health laws and they are pretty much already following CODEX. Also it has some of the most restrictive gun laws, much worse than Canada even. So if you don't have the right to bare arms or keep yourself healthy, then so what if there are some other areas you might be better off. Canada on the other hand from what I have seen is just as controlled by the NWO as the USA. Just seems that our media and leaders are a bit smoother about how they go about it. I think this has to do with having the USA to blame for many of the things going on. Also we have the CBC which is a large government run TV/radio network. Our current Prime Minister Stephen Harper has been a guest of at least one Bilderberg meeting. Did you know that here in Canada we don't really even have property rights? I think in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that they protect your property from other individuals but not the government itself. I had it explained to me that if for example Toronto passed a law saying that no one could own property in Toronto they wouldn't be in contravention of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The property rights issue is one of the major problems us gun owners are dealing with right now. If the government here in Canada was to confiscate all guns (which is the real reason why we have register them), they wouldn't even have to compensate the owners for their value.
yes your right we in australia have some of the best gun laws around. when you compare to the US which has the worst. but we can always improve next i expect the farmers to be more restricted. i woulder in the US the police are more likly to shoot you instead of take any chances which half the population has guns. and anyway how many time do you hear that. but what is more likly is that your neighbor will shoot you.

gunner | 10-10-2006 09:39 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? If you believe that disarming the law abiding keeps you safe, that's fine by me. My question is with regards to; taxes - property, sales, income, etc infrastructure - surveilance, tolls, national id, registrations, etc cost of living - gasoline, food, water, labor any info would be appreciated

Green Mountain Boy | 10-11-2006 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Mountain Boy (Post 373527) There's a good chance I will be traveling to Costa Rica in December for two or three weeks. My aunt is married to a Tico and has been living down there for the past 10 years. I will be doing some work with my father on their house which is in the Central Valley - about an hour away from San Jose. It's definitely an ideal place. If the SHTF while we're down there, hell, I might just decide to stay.
Tickets have been bought...will be down there for 2 1/2 weeks over Christmas.:applause_ I'm not sure if my aunt and uncle have internet access at their house, but I will report back nonetheless. Necesito practicar mi espa�ol pronto. .

Infidel | 10-11-2006 04:35 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? I just met an indian animation director. could not be happier with his sub continents Democracy. The biggest Democracy in the world

decebal | 10-12-2006 12:03 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? 1 Attachment(s) " My question is with regards to; taxes - property, sales, income, etc infrastructure - surveilance, tolls, national id, registrations, etc cost of living - gasoline, food, water, labor " on Australia? Australia has the second highest effective marginal tax rates in the developed world. http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1319977.htm they have reduced it lately nation ID -they will introduce the Australia Card - sounds so patriotic does'nt it? thats to make it easy for them to identify you ofcourse you are will not be required to have one if you don't want. just that you cannot claim social security without it. there are more and more strict social security requirments every 6months i suspect going towards US style living under brides Model cost of living is increasing ofcourse there is supposedly a low unemployment rate of 4.5% or something but ofcourse this is a manufatured figure as anyone who works for 15hrs(casual) a week is not classified as unemployed as well as those not looking for work as they give up or those studing. water rates here will double soon as there is a shortage of water. food yes yummy gasoline - petrol is about $1.10AU-1.40 /Litre as the government taxes like 40c perlitre property prices see picture

mamboni | 10-12-2006 12:30 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by decebal (Post 385187) " My question is with regards to; taxes - property, sales, income, etc infrastructure - surveilance, tolls, national id, registrations, etc cost of living - gasoline, food, water, labor " on Australia? Australia has the second highest effective marginal tax rates in the developed world. http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1319977.htm they have reduced it lately nation ID -they will introduce the Australia Card - sounds so patriotic does'nt it? thats to make it easy for them to identify you ofcourse you are will not be required to have one if you don't want. just that you cannot claim social security without it. there are more and more strict social security requirments every 6months i suspect going towards US style living under brides Model cost of living is increasing ofcourse there is supposedly a low unemployment rate of 4.5% or something but ofcourse this is a manufatured figure as anyone who works for 15hrs(casual) a week is not classified as unemployed as well as those not looking for work as they give up or those studing. water rates here will double soon as there is a shortage of water. food yes yummy gasoline - petrol is about $1.10AU-1.40 /Litre as the government taxes like 40c perlitre property prices see picture
Blimey Mate! Your country is the size of the continental USA with the population of New York Stae and you're running low on water? Yikes! And high taxes there two! I thought Australians descended from burley robust penal colony rebel stock. How did they let themselves be socialized like a bunch of sheeple? I guess it's the hinterlands of New Guinea for me.

gunner | 10-12-2006 07:31 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Thanks so much for all that info Decebal. Wow, I hope salaries are decent to afford that high cost of living !! Gasoline at $5.60/gal - guess there's not a lot of SUVs down under. Is it possible to drop off the grid to some extent? Move away from the coast? Then again, I like the idea of the forests in Indonesia - plenty of resources, no infrastructure, food, water, and little or no taxes

<SLV> | 10-12-2006 07:33 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by Infidel (Post 384296) I just met an indian animation director. could not be happier with his sub continents Democracy. The biggest Democracy in the world
Yeah. The caste system is great if you are born lucky.

thorgrim | 10-14-2006 11:55 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by decebal yes your right we in australia have some of the best gun laws around. when you compare to the US which has the worst. but we can always improve next i expect the farmers to be more restricted. i woulder in the US the police are more likly to shoot you instead of take any chances which half the population has guns. and anyway how many time do you hear that. but what is more likly is that your neighbor will shoot you.
You need to get off your high horse. Australia is a shit hole. About the only thing it has going for it is nice weather. Look at these Statistics. Burglaries (per capita) Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom) #1 Australia 21.7454 per 1,000 people #2 Dominica 18.7892 per 1,000 people #3 Denmark 18.3299 per 1,000 people #4 Estonia 17.4576 per 1,000 people #5 Finland 16.7697 per 1,000 people #6 New Zealand 16.2763 per 1,000 people #7 United Kingdom 13.8321 per 1,000 people #8 Poland 9.46071 per 1,000 people #9 Canada 8.94425 per 1,000 people #10 South Africa 8.89764 per 1,000 people #11 Montserrat 8.24323 per 1,000 people #12 Iceland 8.11156 per 1,000 people #13 Switzerland 8.06303 per 1,000 people #14 Slovenia 7.93734 per 1,000 people #15 Czech Republic 7.24841 per 1,000 people #16 Hungary 7.15849 per 1,000 people #17 United States 7.09996 per 1,000 people Car Thefts (Per Capita) #1 Australia 6.92354 per 1,000 people #2 Denmark 5.92839 per 1,000 people #3 United Kingdom 5.6054 per 1,000 people #4 New Zealand 5.45031 per 1,000 people #5 Norway 5.08143 per 1,000 people #6 France 4.9713 per 1,000 people #7 Canada 4.88547 per 1,000 people #8 Italy 4.19755 per 1,000 people #9 United States 3.8795 per 1,000 people Rapes (Per Capita) #1 South Africa 1.19538 per 1,000 people #2 Seychelles 0.788294 per 1,000 people #3 Australia 0.777999 per 1,000 people #4 Montserrat 0.749384 per 1,000 people #5 Canada 0.733089 per 1,000 people #6 Jamaica 0.476608 per 1,000 people #7 Zimbabwe 0.457775 per 1,000 people #8 Dominica 0.34768 per 1,000 people #9 United States 0.301318 per 1,000 people Total crime victims by country #1 Australia 30.1% #2 New Zealand 29.4% #3 United Kingdom 26.4% #4 Netherlands 25.2% #5 Sweden 24.7% #6 Italy 24.6% #7 Canada 23.8% #8 Saint Kitts and Nevis 23.2% #9 Malta 23.1% #10 Denmark 23% #11 Poland 22.7% #12 Belgium 21.4% #13 France 21.4% #14 Slovenia 21.2% #15 United States 21.1% I would have liked to do a murder rate comparison but some of the stats were missing. The United states did have a much higher murder rate but when I checked manslaughter there was no available data for the US. I suspect that the US murder rate had manslaughter lumped in and Australia didn't. Same for total crime per capita. Australia had no data for this catagory but judging by victums per country I would say they would be one of the worst. Stats from: http://www.nationmaster.com/

thorgrim | 10-15-2006 12:03 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Another Stat I would have liked to compare would be police per capita as that would give a good indication of how effective a countries laws are. Sadly there was no data for the United States again. If anyone knows where I can find these statistics please post a link.

Curtman | 10-15-2006 12:07 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? I have always hear the girls in Australia are pretty good to Americans. I don't know any but I hear they can be pretty good looking. Any pictures I have seen of most usually have a cigarette hanging out of their mouth. That doesn't do it for me. :smokin: :17092:

Curtman | 10-15-2006 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Marketneutral (Post 387382) Most recent study 16.3% of Australia Women Smoke. For the U.S. 18.5% smoke. Australia women are very nice but it is very hard to break off a relationship with them. :wazzup_sg
The only thing, oh never mind. :y:

J.D.Rockinfeller | 10-15-2006 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GREENSILVERHORN (Post 373724) But WAoG, to stay is to follow the beast. Searching for freedom is the brave's assault. Your ancestors set the example for you.
Come to think of it...your right..america was settled(mostly) by a group that "bugged out' of England...

decebal | 10-23-2006 06:22 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? high horse hehe i plan to retire somewhere else not australia as it is fast becomming a police state. Australia has it's own problems just one less which is that the gun lobby does not have too much influence. nice site there. looks like aussie is not too good on rapes and car theft. but ofcourse if you are more worried about your car being stolen then your brains being blowen out yep sure australia is very bad. i don't know about you but i'm more worried they if the guy next door is pissed at you and goes down to the local supermarket and buy a gun. ofcourse he is limited to only 1 but if he wants to wait 7days he can get another 3 and start his own private army. actually i question how accurate this kind of stats are. there are would be differences in actual reported crime between the different countries. i suspect more rapes are reported in australia as it is taken seriously and the police always gets the guy. Crime Statistics > Murders with firearms (per capita) by country VIEW DATA: Totals Per capita Definition Source Printable version Bar Graph Map Correlations Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom) #1 South Africa 0.719782 per 1,000 people #2 Colombia 0.509801 per 1,000 people #3 Thailand 0.312093 per 1,000 people #4 Zimbabwe 0.0491736 per 1,000 people #5 Mexico 0.0337938 per 1,000 people #6 Belarus 0.0321359 per 1,000 people #7 Costa Rica 0.0313745 per 1,000 people #8 United States 0.0279271 per 1,000 people #9 Uruguay 0.0245902 per 1,000 people #10 Lithuania 0.0230748 per 1,000 people #11 Slovakia 0.021543 per 1,000 people #12 Czech Republic 0.0207988 per 1,000 people #13 Estonia 0.0157539 per 1,000 people #14 Latvia 0.0131004 per 1,000 people #15 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of 0.0127139 per 1,000 people #16 Bulgaria 0.00845638 per 1,000 people #17 Portugal 0.00795003 per 1,000 people #18 Slovenia 0.00596718 per 1,000 people #19 Switzerland 0.00534117 per 1,000 people #20 Canada 0.00502972 per 1,000 people #21 Germany 0.00465844 per 1,000 people #22 Moldova 0.00448934 per 1,000 people #23 Hungary 0.00439692 per 1,000 people #24 Poland 0.0043052 per 1,000 people #25 Ukraine 0.00368109 per 1,000 people #26 Ireland 0.00298805 per 1,000 people #27 Australia 0.00293678 per 1,000 people #28 Denmark 0.00257732 per 1,000 people #29 Spain 0.0024045 per 1,000 people #30 Azerbaijan 0.00227503 per 1,000 people #31 New Zealand 0.00173482 per 1,000 people #32 United Kingdom 0.00102579 per 1,000 people Crime Statistics > Assaults by country Definition Source Printable version Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom) #1 United States 2,238,480 #2 South Africa 535,461 #3 United Kingdom 450,865 #4 Mexico 255,179 #5 India 236,313 #6 Canada 233,517 #7 Australia 141,124 #8 Germany 116,912 #9 France 106,484 #10 Zimbabwe 93,062 --------per capita----- Crime Statistics > Assaults (per capita) by country Definition Source Printable version Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom) #1 South Africa 12.0752 per 1,000 people #2 Montserrat 10.2773 per 1,000 people #3 Mauritius 8.76036 per 1,000 people #4 Seychelles 8.62196 per 1,000 people #5 Zimbabwe 7.6525 per 1,000 people #6 United States 7.56923 per 1,000 people #7 New Zealand 7.47881 per 1,000 people #8 United Kingdom 7.45959 per 1,000 people #9 Canada 7.11834 per 1,000 people #10 Australia 7.02459 per 1,000 people #11 Finland 5.32644 per 1,000 people #12 Iceland 4.66406 per 1,000 people #13 Tunisia 4.02561 per 1,000 people #14 Jamaica 3.95943 per 1,000 people #15 Portugal 3.59445 per 1,000 people #16 Chile 3.32476 per 1,000 people #17 Norway 3.2064 per 1,000 people #18 Netherlands 2.68964 per 1,000 people #19 Ireland 2.47037 per 1,000 people #20 Mexico 2.40275 per 1,000 p source http://www.nationmaster.com

Tn...Andy | 10-23-2006 07:11 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by thorgrim (Post 387372) Another Stat I would have liked to compare would be police per capita as that would give a good indication of how effective a countries laws are. Sadly there was no data for the United States again. If anyone knows where I can find these statistics please post a link.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/law_e...nel/index.html

Unclad Lad | 10-23-2006 10:58 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? To go where? To do what? There are so many factors, I don't even know where to start. What are you going to do for income? Do you speak the language? It always seemed to me that if you could afford the initial outlay and still have enough for regular maintainence, that a sailing ship with a robust diesel is the best bet. Or as others here have pointed out, to just become less visible where you are at now.

GoldenPoet | 10-23-2006 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Marketneutral (Post 387376) You may want to look into Residential Cruise Ships. I am heavily considering it. Live on a cruse ship full time and hit 4 or 5 ports a month. I love to travel but hate to fly.
Please post urls.... I have been interested bt not found any that were actually operating yet.

Infidel | 10-24-2006 12:39 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Apparently, it’s about the same price to take a perpetual cruise as it is to live in a nursing home, and at least a few people have been doing this for years. http://www.snopes.com/travel/trap/retire.asp Quote:
Originally Posted by snopes Claim: Some people have eschewed retirement homes in favor of living on cruise ships. Status: True. Examples: [Collected on the Internet, 2005] About 2 years ago my wife and I were on a cruise through the western Mediterranean aboard a Princess liner. At dinner we noticed an elderly lady sitting alone along the rail of the grand stairway in the main dining room. I also noticed that all the staff, ships officers, waiters, busboys, etc., all seemed very familiar with this lady. I asked our waiter who the lady was, expecting to be told she owned the line, but he said he only knew that she had been on board for the last four cruises, back to back. As we left the dining room one evening I caught her eye and stopped to say hello. We chatted and I said, "I understand you've been on this ship for the last four cruises." She replied, "Yes, that' s true." I stated, "I don't understand" and she replied, without a pause, "It's cheaper than a nursing home." So, there will be no nursing home in my future. When I get old and feeble, I am going to get on a Princess Cruise Ship. The average cost for a nursing home is $200 per day. I have checked on reservations at Princess and I can get a long term discount and senior discount price of $135 per day. That leaves $65 a day for: 1. Gratuities which will only be $10 per day. 2. I will have as many as 10 meals a day (of fantastic food, not institutional food) if I can waddle to the restaurant, or I can have room service (which means I can have breakfast in bed every day of the week). 3. Princess has as many as three swimming pools, a workout room, free washers and dryers, and shows every night. 4. They have free toothpaste and razors, and free soap and shampoo. 5. They will even treat you like a customer, not a patient. An extra $5 worth of tips will have the entire staff scrambling to help you. 6. I will get to meet new people every 7 or 14 days! 7. TV broken? Light bulb need changing? Need to have the mattress replaced? No problem! They will fix everything and apologize for your inconvenience. 8. Clean sheets and towels every day, and you don't even have to ask for them. 9. If you fall in the nursing home and break a hip you are on Medicare; if you fall and break a hip on the Princess ship they will upgrade you to a suite for the rest of your life. 10. There is always a doctor on board. Now hold on for the best! Do you want to see South America, the Panama Canal, Tahiti, Australia, New Zealand, Asia, or name where you want to go? Princess will have a ship ready to go. So don't look for me in a nursing home, just call shore to ship. PS: And don't forget, when you die, they just dump you over the side at no charge. [Collected on the Internet, 2004] No nursing home for me! I'm checking into the Holiday Inn. With the average cost for a nursing home per day reaching $188.00, there is a better way when we get old and feeble. I have already checked on reservations at the Holiday Inn. For a combined long-term stay discount and senior discount, it's $49.23 per night. That leaves $138.77 a day for: 1. Breakfast, lunch, and dinner in any restaurant I want, or room service. 2. Laundry, gratuities, and special TV movies. Plus, they provide a swimming pool, a workout room, a lounge, washer, dryer, etc. Most have free toothpaste and razors, and all have free shampoo and soap. They treat you like a customer, not a patient. $5.00 worth of tips a day will have the entire staff scrambling to help you. There is a city bus stop out front, and seniors ride free. The handicap bus will also pick you up (if you fake a decent limp). To meet other nice people, call a church bus on Sundays. For a change of scenery, take the airport shuttle bus and eat at one of the nice restaurants there. While you're at the airport, fly somewhere. Otherwise, the cash keeps building up. It takes months to get into decent nursing homes. Holiday Inn will take your reservation today. And you are not stuck in one place forever, you can move from Inn to Inn, or even from city to city. Want to see Hawaii? They have a Holiday Inn there, too. TV broken? Light bulbs need changing? Need a mattress replaced? No problem. They fix everything and apologize for the inconvenience. The Inn has a night security person and daily room service. The maid checks if you are OK. If not, they will call the undertaker or an ambulance. If you fall and break a hip, Medicare will pay for the hip, and Holiday Inn will upgrade you to a suite for the rest of your life. And no worries about visits from family. They will always be glad to find you, and probably check in for a few days mini-vacation. The grandkids can use the pool. What more can you ask for? So, when I reach the golden age I'll face it with a grin. Just forward all my emails to the Holiday Inn!" Upon telling this story at a dinner with friends and too much red wine, we came up with even more benefits the Holiday Inn provides to retirees: Most standard rooms have coffee makers, reclining chairs, and satellite TV — all you need to enjoy a cozy afternoon. After a movie and a good nap, you can check on your children (free local phone calls), then take a stroll to the lounge or restaurant where you meet new and exotic people every day. Many Holiday Inns even feature live entertainment on the weekends. Often they have special offers, too, like the Kids Eat Free Program. You can invite your grandkids over after school to have a free dinner with you. Just tell them not to bring more than three friends. Pick a Holiday Inn where they allow pets, and your best friend can keep you company as well. If you want to travel, but are a bit skittish about unfamiliar surroundings, at a Holiday Inn you'll always feel at home because wherever you go, the rooms all look the same. And if you're getting a little absent-minded in your old days, you never have to worry about not finding your room — your electronic key fits only one door and the helpful desk clerk is on duty 24/7. Being perma-skeptics, we called a Holiday Inn to check this story out — and are happy to report that they were positively giddy at the idea of us checking in for a year or more. They even offered to negotiate the rate (we could have easily knocked them down to $40 a night!). See you at the Inn! [Collected on the Internet, 2003] With the average cost for a Nursing Home per DAY reaching $188.00 there IS a BETTER way! I have ascertained that I can get a nice enough room at the Holiday Inn for around $65.00 & that leaves $123.00 a day for beer,or wine, food, room service, laundry, gratuities, & special TV movies. There is a swimming pool, an exercise room, a lounge, washer, dryer, etc. Most have free toothpaste & razors & all have free shampoo & soap. Super 8 is even more economical as they offer a free breakfast each morning. There may be a wait to get to that first floor room, but that's okay, it takes MONTHS to get into decent nursing homes. There is a Senior bus, the handicap bus, if you can fake a believable limp, a church bus or van, cabs & a regular bus as well. The Inn has security & if someone sees you drop over an ambulance is called for you & should you break a hip, the American way is to sue. What more can one ask for?! As a bonus they all have AARP & other senior discounts, so when I reach that point... Help me keep my grin And just check my old bones in... into the nearest.........Holiday Inn! Origins: Although the "cruise ship" recounting has become the more widespread, the earlier form taken by this piece of e-lore featured not a luxury liner but a hotel. In 2003 this waggish diatribe against the cost of nursing home care had its writer swearing to check into a Holiday Inn when the grey hairs became too many. By 2004, some of the numbered items now found in the "cruise ship" tale were in place, albeit in a version that claimed Holiday Inn rather than Princess as substitute elder care housing (e.g., "TV broken? Light bulb need changing? Need to have the mattress replaced? No problem! They will fix everything and apologize for your inconvenience"). By 2005 more numbered items had been added, including some cruise-specific ones (e.g., "There is always a doctor on board" and "And don't forget, when you die, they just dump you over the side at no charge"). Also by 2005, what had begun as one writer's claim about his or her fanciful future plans had come to be presented as the actual remarks of an old woman living that life on a cruise ship. It is at this intersection that folklore and reality meet — while the account of the "elderly lady" has clearly evolved from earlier pieces about pie-in-the-sky retirement plans involving Holiday Inn, there is at least one woman of advanced years who has indeed made her home on a cruise ship. Bea Muller, an 86-year-old retiree, has been a permanent resident on Cunard's Queen Elizabeth 2 since 5 January 2000. Her husband had passed away while the couple was on a world cruise eleven months earlier, and rather than opt for a retirement home, Mrs. Muller sold her house and possessions and booked herself onto the ship. Instead Cruise ship of submitting a monthly or yearly fee, in 2001 Muller was reported to be paying as she went, booking one cruise after another. Thanks to her frequent traveller discounts, her overall costs amounted to about $5,000 a month. (Cruise prices have increased in the past few years, which is something those entertaining similar plans should keep in mind. Also, Muller's accomodations are small and windowless: a 10x10 foot cabin that barely fits a bed, radio, and television, with a bathroom smaller than the average closet found in a typical home.) Its cramped quarters aside, Muller is happy with her life aboard a ship. "I've got full-time maid service, great dining rooms, doctors, medical center (where she volunteers), a spa, beauty salon, computer center, entertainment, cultural activities and, best of all, dancing and bridge." Bea Muller is not the first long-time cruisers: Cunard has had one previous guest, Clair MacBeth, who lived on board for 14 years. As to whether living out one's golden years aboard a cruise ship is a viable alternative to spending them in a retirement home, a geriatrician at Northwestern University says such a plan is a feasible and cost-effective alternative to assisted-living facilities. Dr. Lee Lindquist, an instructor at Northwestern's Feinberg School of Medicine, compared the costs (over a 20-year life expectancy) of moving to an assisted-living facility, a nursing home and a cruise ship, including the expense of treating acute illnesses, Medicare reimbursement and other factors. She determined that the net cost of cruise-ship living was only about $2,000 more than the alternatives ($230,000 versus $228,000) and offered a higher quality of service. "Cruise ships offer such a range of amenities — such as three meals a day, often with escorts to meals if needed, room service, entertainment, accessible halls and cabins, housekeeping and laundry services and physicians on board — that they could actually be considered a floating assisted-living facility," says Lindquist. Lindquist says the plan would work best for seniors who need a minimal amount of care. "Seniors who enjoy travel, have good or excellent cognitive function but require some assistance with activities of daily living are the ideal candidates for cruise-ship care. Just as with assisted living, if residents became acutely ill or got to the point that they needed a higher level of care, they would have to leave." Although Lindquist's findings would seem to support the premise of it being cheaper to live on a luxury liner than in a retirement home, we'd want to examine her research vis-a-vis the types of care facilities she looked at and the cruise-ship costs she factored in before we'd feel comfortable about offering an opinion on her assessment. (She might have compared only very expensive retirement homes against the cheapest accomodations offered on ships that are less than well thought of, for example.) However, whatever the validity of Lindquist's findings, cost is but one of the elements to the choice of where to reside after retirement. Golden agers who decide to make their permanent homes on cruise ships sacrifice proximity to family and friends; their nearest and dearest are no longer just a short car ride away. Those devoted to their children and grandchildren might well deem that too high a price to pay, no matter what the spreadsheet says about the relative financial costs. Likewise, those who lack progeny but who are involved in their communities or who are part of a number of strong friendships may not want to opt for the vagabond life, because it would mean abandoning that which gives them joy. Also, life on a cruise ship means one acquaintance after another, but no permanent ongoing connections of any depth. Fellow passengers disembark to return to their regular lives at the termination of their one- or two-week holidays, which means friendships struck up with them land in the "We'll keep in touch" bin very quickly. As for staff, while serial cruisers can strike up deeply affable relationships with some of the line's employees, these rapports are inherently limited by their very nature: no matter how close such associations appear to be, ships' employees are required to be deferential to paying passengers, so the friendship-critical element of honesty can never be part of such dealings. Making a cruise ship one's permanent address, therefore, will not be for everyone. While those at ease with a steady diet of the superficial will thrive, those who require the comfort of at least a few real friendships will likely feel lonely even though they live among crowds. Barbara "grey areas" Mikkelson Last updated: 15 March 2005

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Infidel | 10-24-2006 12:47 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenPoet (Post 395609) Please post urls.... I have been interested bt not found any that were actually operating yet.
http://www.residensea.com/ operating already must be pretty damn rich

Okieshowedem | 10-27-2006 07:19 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? The only hope for the whole world can be found at the web site. The whole world is falling and will not rise again in the form it is in now. http://www.yahweh.com The Creator has spoken there is no appeal Okieshowedem

keehah | 08-06-2007 05:12 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Same problems in the UK: 4,000 PEOPLE A WEEK TRYING TO LEAVE UK Sunday August 5,2007 By Michael Knapp http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...ng-to-leave-UK BRITAIN is facing a mass exodus of people looking to escape the crime and grime of modern living. The country’s biggest foreign visa consultancy firm has revealed that applications have soared in the last seven months by 80 per cent to almost 4,000 a week. Ten years ago the figure was just 300 a week. Most people are relocating within the Commonwealth – in Australia, Canada and South Africa. They are almost all young professionals and skilled workers aged 20-40. And many cite their reason for wanting to quit as immigration to these shores – and the burden it is placing on their communities and local authorities. The dearth of good schools, spiralling house prices, rising crime and tax increases are also driving people away. Obtaining a visa to live abroad can cost as little as £1,500 for the right candidates. Plumbers, electricians, construction workers and doctors are famously in demand. The only obstruction to emigration from the UK is a criminal record, poor health, advancing age and being a “third country national”.... Skilled labour is obviously an advantage, but so is speaking the English language. Most countries are harder to get into if you don’t speak English. UK plc simply isn’t fighting hard enough to keep its people. Some are telling us they are fed up with living in this country. Even business people are saying they’ve had enough. “They’re saying ‘I can’t put my children into the right school, but if I move abroad I can’. Most people are very patriotic and don’t want to leave. They’re almost terrified about it. But they say they just have to. “It’s a shame people at the top don’t recognise they’re not doing enough to retain highly skilled workers in this country. A lot of them are quite young, and they’re not idle. They just can’t see a future for themselves in this country. They want to get married and settle down and buy homes, but they can’t see it happening here. “And time and time again they are saying to us they don’t want to be seen as racist because they are quitting because of immigration. We tell them of course they’re not.”....

Got Goldies | 08-06-2007 05:15 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by Marketneutral (Post 387382) Most recent study 16.3% of Australia Women Smoke. For the U.S. 18.5% smoke. Australia women are very nice but it is very hard to break off a relationship with them. :wazzup_sg
Make sure you load up on Kookaburra before you decide to leave.

Anty Ep | 08-06-2007 05:16 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? I have a friend who went from RSA to UK and now he's come here. He is not Afrikaans, but an English, born in Rhodesia, emigrated to RSA, now fed up with that mess and now fed up with the UK and willing to settle on USA because "at least there are opportunities here." he meant small business opportunities. yes in the USA we got the Euros licked hands down on the ability to start a small business. for that the USA is tops, especially if you are not in a big shitty. I say stay in the USA, realistically, there's no place left to run.

Got Goldies | 08-06-2007 05:19 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 687089) I have a friend who went from RSA to UK and now he's come here. He is not Afrikaans, but an English, born in Rhodesia, emigrated to RSA, now fed up with that mess and now fed up with the UK and willing to settle on USA because "at least there are opportunities here." he meant small business opportunities. yes in the USA we got the Euros licked hands down on the ability to start a small business. for that the USA is tops, especially if you are not in a big shitty. I say stay in the USA, realistically, there's no place left to run.
The United planet of America The United States district of UK How about Global states of America There has to be one that will work.

mtnman | 08-06-2007 05:24 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by mamboni (Post 372800) America is slowly becoming a police state. Thanks to Bush and the Neocons, their phony "war on terror" is being used to strip away individual rights of privacy, property and due process day by day. And a corrupt feckless Congress silently acquiesses. America, once the free-market industrial powerhouse, innovator and envy (materially and politically) of the world, has already degenerated into a de facto socialist welfare state. I am considering leaving the USA because I have two children 15 and 17 and I want them to have a better future, with reasonable protections to their freedom and some opportunities. But, the USA seems to have inserted it's corroding tentacles into the virtual four corners of the globe. So, while I have concluded that the USA's future will be dismal, I am uncertain that there is any place else worth running to. GIM members are international in scope so I ask: is there any country or enclave where a person can still work, keep most of what he honestly earns free of confiscutory taxes, and enjoy relative privacy and freedom from the ever intrusive and controlling government? :albertein
Cluck Cluck Cluck Cluck BAWK Cluck Cluck Cluck! Catch my drift? Americans don�t RUN! We fight! Soon we will rise up against those that are stealing our country! Are you willing to fight and maybe die to protect this country so that your kids have a place of freedom to live? Think about it.

mamboni | 08-06-2007 06:25 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 687100) Cluck Cluck Cluck Cluck BAWK Cluck Cluck Cluck! Catch my drift? Americans don�t RUN! We fight! Soon we will rise up against those that are stealing our country! Are you willing to fight and maybe die to protect this country so that your kids have a place of freedom to live? Think about it.
Yes, I am willing to fight! I have had a change of heart since posting this thread and being the tired, somewhat grumpy and now, better informed GIM member since then, I have decided that I am not willing to surrender the USA to Bush and his Neocon-Zionist gang of thugs. I educate my children about the realities of today's world: to eschew the mass media, to think for themselves, to avoid debts and material obligations to others, to keep a low profile and avoid any entanglements with the law, to question anything and everything government and authorities tell them and most important, to be self-sufficient and responsible for oneself.

Kahlil Gibran | 08-06-2007 06:29 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by mamboni (Post 687187) Yes, I am willing to fight! I have had a change of heart since posting this thread and being the tired, somewhat grumpy and now, better informed GIM member since then, I have decided that I am not willing to surrender the USA to Bush and his Neocon-Zionist gang of thugs. I educate my children about the realities of today's world: to eschew the mass media, to think for themselves, to avoid debts and material obligations to others, to keep a low profile and avoid any entanglements with the law, to question anything and everything government and authorities tell them and most important, to be self-sufficient and responsible for oneself.
GIM has had that effect on a lot of us. :beer: mtnman has influence!

GreenSpirit | 08-06-2007 06:53 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by mamboni (Post 372846) The responses so far have varied from sardonic to sarcastic to irreverent, with a couple expressing frank and honest dispair at the limited prospects. This is a tough crowd! To quote Lloyd Bridges: "I guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue!"
Say you do move to a new place, and then this happens: http://www.poleshift.org/ oy vey!!!

R MacDonald | 08-06-2007 07:01 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? The safest place to hold a snake is by the head.... I say stay.

mtnman | 08-07-2007 09:32 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by mamboni (Post 687187) Yes, I am willing to fight! I have had a change of heart since posting this thread and being the tired, somewhat grumpy and now, better informed GIM member since then, I have decided that I am not willing to surrender the USA to Bush and his Neocon-Zionist gang of thugs. I educate my children about the realities of today's world: to eschew the mass media, to think for themselves, to avoid debts and material obligations to others, to keep a low profile and avoid any entanglements with the law, to question anything and everything government and authorities tell them and most important, to be self-sufficient and responsible for oneself.
Glad to hear you’ve come to your senses! Keep up the good work teaching your youngins’ the meaning of Freedom.

skirnir | 08-07-2007 09:14 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Would do you think of the Czech Republic? I'm not so fond of the EU membership, but its economy is doing well and it's swung from trade deficit to surplus and adding manufacturing jobs.

TaxHaven | 08-07-2007 09:32 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Your thinking right, mamboni! I left Canada in 1989 for Taiwan and have never looked back. My kids were born here, & countryside is truly beautiful. But I think you're asking the wrong people: GiMers have become great Bush supporters, super-patriotic America-first-ers and Dick Cheney clones. They will never criticize "their" government and will remain tax-paying sheeple even while claiming that precious metals investing leads to financial freedom. That said, anywhere in Asia you'll quickly become a non-entity and enjoy more or less complete freedom. Here, they don't even monitor wire transfers effectively and moreover, don't seem to care to much what foreign residents do. But where to go? dependes on your job requirements; Malaysia has a "My Second Home" program but if you're like me you just start out with a back-pack, no special skills and you will see opportunities! Living overseas is really like a permanent vacation!

jman | 08-07-2007 10:44 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by TaxHaven (Post 688390) Your thinking right, mamboni! I left Canada in 1989 for Taiwan and have never looked back. My kids were born here, & countryside is truly beautiful. But I think you're asking the wrong people: GiMers have become great Bush supporters, super-patriotic America-first-ers and Dick Cheney clones. They will never criticize "their" government and will remain tax-paying sheeple even while claiming that precious metals investing leads to financial freedom. That said, anywhere in Asia you'll quickly become a non-entity and enjoy more or less complete freedom. Here, they don't even monitor wire transfers effectively and moreover, don't seem to care to much what foreign residents do. But where to go? dependes on your job requirements; Malaysia has a "My Second Home" program but if you're like me you just start out with a back-pack, no special skills and you will see opportunities! Living overseas is really like a permanent vacation!
Sounds good to me, I get take all my faith and daily living practices from the Orient anyway. I would feel a hell of a lot more comfortable there..especially knowing there isn't someone that steals my damn labor.

Anty Ep | 08-07-2007 11:54 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by mamboni (Post 687187) Yes, I am willing to fight! I have had a change of heart since posting this thread and being the tired, somewhat grumpy and now, better informed GIM member since then, I have decided that I am not willing to surrender the USA to Bush and his Neocon-Zionist gang of thugs. I educate my children about the realities of today's world: to eschew the mass media, to think for themselves, to avoid debts and material obligations to others, to keep a low profile and avoid any entanglements with the law, to question anything and everything government and authorities tell them and most important, to be self-sufficient and responsible for oneself.
Now you're talking. Be wise and make what we can of our nation, difficult situation and many faults nothwithstanding. For kids, try to make a better future for them. Teach them wisely too. Bound by blood to the soil, bound by blood to each other. Blut und boden.

Anty Ep | 08-07-2007 11:57 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by jman (Post 688445) Sounds good to me, I get take all my faith and daily living practices from the Orient anyway. I would feel a hell of a lot more comfortable there..especially knowing there isn't someone that steals my damn labor.
Developed Asian nations are thoroughly materialistic, if you are referring to the typical Buddhist stuff you're not liable to find that outside a monastery or dojo. Unless you go to India. But there is nothing holding people who desire to emigrate. Bon Voyage, Good luck, dont dont let the door hit ya on the way out..:coolbeer:

Anty Ep | 08-08-2007 12:02 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Anyways, to answer the question, Europe is a fantastic place too live, especially if you are a productive white gentile. Some places are harder to enter than others. Switzerland prolly the hardest. Most other places it's easy for Americans to emigrate, but not necessarily gain citizenship. The big problem in Europe is called JOBS. It is not easy to find work there like it is here. But -- to answer the question, Estonia is a great place to live right now, that's often overlooked. But if you are at this forum then you have a certain mindset and likely you make a very good American and we would like to have good folks stay here. :D

macrohard | 08-08-2007 12:56 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore

skirnir | 08-08-2007 03:30 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by TaxHaven (Post 688390) Your thinking right, mamboni! I left Canada in 1989 for Taiwan and have never looked back. My kids were born here, & countryside is truly beautiful. But I think you're asking the wrong people: GiMers have become great Bush supporters, super-patriotic America-first-ers and Dick Cheney clones. They will never criticize "their" government and will remain tax-paying sheeple even while claiming that precious metals investing leads to financial freedom.
您好，不能說台話，只說普通話。 Do you see many high-tech manufacturing jobs being added in Taipei and other cities? I'm hoping to work with polymer solar cells, and with 75% of the processed silicon capacity, most of the existing manufacturing specialization would be in Taiwan...

Antonio | 08-08-2007 04:03 AM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 688485) But -- to answer the question, Estonia is a great place to live right now, that's often overlooked. :D
Not for Russian Americans though.....:wink:

DogFarm | 08-08-2007 02:05 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? My fiance's father has a country house in Belarus--it even has a lake. We will hopefully be going there in the next few years. We don't want to raise children in the US. Fortunately, my looks allow me to pass for Russian, Spanish, Italian, Israeli, or Latin American! And I speak the international language of Money and Gold.

cigarlover | 08-18-2007 02:20 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? This is a great thread, I hope what I post helps somewhat. I have been looking into this very thing for several years. Why? The state of affairs in America is the simplest answer. I wont go into extreme details because it would take to long. Suffice it to say that in the early 80's I joined the military. It was during the cold war and what was being preached at the time was how bad communism was. Russians were spying on each othewr, you couldnt trust the government, ect ect.. In short we have, in many ways, become the very thing for which I gave up 4 years of my life to protect. Freedom? Thats a thing of the past, no such thing anymore. For these reasons and more I started looking elsewhere. In the last 3 years I have traveled a lot. Europe, Asia and the Caribbean. Went to Cuba several times, Beautiful place and the people are great!!! Got caught coming back into the US and now I am on a watch list, Some freedom huh? I cant even smoke a cuban cigar legally, but our politicians can because they only make the laws and dont have to obey them. Anyway, In Cuba you can live relatively peacefully, you need to know Spanish and you cant own property. You will be accepted readily into society but will always be a source money to your many friends. There are quite a few American who live there, some out in the country with a much younger wife, nice little house, kids, garden the whole bit. iTS A BIT LIKE GOING BACK IN TIME 40 YEARS but the family values are definitely there and you could easily retire with 50k to last a lifetime. Dont plan on getting into any political debates though. Your mornings start out with a plate of fresh fruit, lunches are light maybe some pork or chicken and rice and dinner is about the same. With money you would have access to many other foods that normal Cubans cant afford but for the most part the diets are pretty good and life expectancy exceeds the US. Probably because there arent any processed foods there or very few anyway. There are no taxes and you wont work anyway. The meager 15.00 a month you would earn you are better off staying at home with your 50k and growing food. Spain, I wasnt impressed with Spain and wouldnt seriously consider moving there. Similar lifestyle to the US IMO and I am looking for a better quality of life not worse. Asia's economy is on fire right now but that will cool off with the coming crash of fiat currencies. Spent some time in the Philippines. Women are great, food is very good and many speak english so its easy to go just about anywhere. Since I was 42 at the time(Last year) I was interested in continuing to work and thats a place where you could definitely find work. Family values are high and many have Christian values(I'm not religious though) I met many people there and set up a meeting with a developer one night. He started a business 6 years earlier with 2 people and now had 200-300 at any given time. Basically it works like this. There are no taxes for employees. The employer charges 3000 a week for the employee, pays the employee 1500 a week and thats the end of it. If theres more work next week great if not no unemployment or anything like that. At the end of the year the employer pays a tax based on what he makes minus deductions. This entire system is similar to the way the US was set up but over the years the IRS has misapplied the tax codes and now we all pay taxes here. (If you dont believe me read the tax codes, look up the definition for employee and employer, but thats a discussion for a different thread). Anyway, overall i was pretty happy there. Got treated very well by the locals and they wernt all looking for a handout, just genuinely friendly people. Met a lot of women. Some were lovers some were friends. Spent a few days with a couple of girls that were just friends and they actually had good jobs and money and we just hung out, and they drove me around to look at farms and houses. Land is very reasonable and the average rice or corn farm will pay for itself in 3 years. There are communities for expats but the prices reflect that too so you are better off doing things on your own and making the right connections in the industry to get things done cheaper. Saw some private residences that were amazing for about 120,000 US. You could also buy a piece of land and build your own house for 1/4 of that and be very comfortable. If you go with money you could start a business very easily or just invest in the Asian markets. I think there is a capital gains tax though but no worse than here. I have not been to but have heard all the hype about Costa rica and panama. IMO it is done there. Things are already to expensive unless you have a lot of money then maybe it is for you but for me, I need to go with a small amount of cash and be able to start over somewhere. Mexico is still cheap but they have thier own set of problems. Dominican republic was cheap but getting more expensive. Haiti is dirt cheap but they obviously have problems. Need to be well armed there and probably have well armed security so its not even a consideration. Peru, Ecuador, Guatemala all decent and inexpensive, not sure about the taxes and quality of life nor am I sure about the stability of the government. Medellin Colombia I a great city, beautiful women and if you stay in the city is a great place to live. There are bad parts but thats true of boston and NY too. The drug scene still exists but not as bad as it was and the cartel is no longer there. Probably not a great idea to go into the country alone but if you stay in the city you should be fine and the city has everything you would expect in any 1st world country as well. Venezuela, Well, with Hugo in charge I dont think I need to elaborate. He pretty much wants to emulate castro. Chile and Argentina. Dont know much about the first one but Argentina is an up and comer. Very good fertile soil, beautiful women, good food and the people seem nice too. I have a Brazilian that works for me now and he spent some time in Argentina several years ago and he loved it more than Brazil. Am Planning a trip for Sept or Oct and will be looking at some farms then. My time frame for moving is 5 years but if things get to bad here, and I have a piece of land there it will be easier to leave quicker. As for staying here to fight for freedom, show me someone that wants to and I'll be there. From what I can see, Americans have become fat and lazy and there's no way they will stand up and fight for freedom. Hell, they dont even have a clue that its being taken away from them. I hear people on the talk radio shows saying how great it is to have the government doing the wiretapping and listening in on our conversations and emails and how thats gonna help fight the war on terror. Sorry but until we seal up the border with mexico this whole war on Terror BS is just BS. Do you really think they dont know they can walk across the Mexican border to come and kill us if they want to? Even if we did seal the border, its a war that cant be won. I was at a terrorist bomibg in germany in 86. Was very close to where the bomb went off and had to duck behind cars for cover. A member of the red army faction set it off. This was after trying to locate the few members of that faction for 20 years!!!! We've already sp[ent 2 trillion dollars between revamping homeland insecurity and the war and we cant even find 1 guy named Osama after 7 years? With all of this the American people should already be in revolt bt again, to fat and too lazy so it will never happen, not in my lifetime anyway. My view on life is that I am only here once and I would like to make the most of it. I am not going to spend the next 20 years getting frustrated trying to change something that the majority of the population doesnt even see as a problem. Prove me wrong and I am right there with ya. In fact you want me on your side. I was on the rifle team in Europe in the service. Out of 50 people on a firing line during a competition I was the only person that still had ammo when the 1500 meter targets popped up. When I finshed and get credits for having over 1/2 my ammo left the European General came over, shook my hand said it was the best shooting he had ever seen and offered me a position working for him. I'm ready when the rest of the US gets off thier behinds and decides they want a change. For now I am getting out while I am still free to do so. Rememeber it was only 20 years ago when Russians werent even allowed to leave.

PatColo | 08-18-2007 02:36 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? that was da bomb, cigarlover!

mamboni | 08-18-2007 02:46 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Nice post CigarLover - you express yourself well. And you have good taste in cigars!:rolleyes_m:

cigarlover | 08-18-2007 03:14 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Thanks guys. Yes I love my cigars!!! Seems everyone in the world is free to smoke them except Americans though. You would be amazed at some o the collections sitting on US soil though and amazingly enough USPS delivers right to your door. Overseas vendors arent breaking any laws shipping them here. Just an FYI

cigarlover | 08-18-2007 04:05 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Sorry, i left out a couple things. 1) notice the politician both in occice and those hoping to get elected have basically stated that a nuclear 1st strike option is on the table for Iran? I dont know about you but if i were living in a country minding my on business and another country threatened me with a nuke attack if i didnt do what I was told, I might be a bit perturbed. 2) the military industrial complex is firmly in control of this country. Trying to get them out of control is next to impossible. You would need to turn the asses against them and since the same complex controls the media, good luck doing that. CNBC i owned by GE, ge is the 10th largest defense contracto in the US. 3) in the event of a nuke going off anywhere in the northern hemisphere, i want to be in the southern hemisphere. In an all out nuclear war it may not make a difference but in something limited it could help. And finally, th pace of life in one of the above countries that i mentioned is jut a little slower and theres a lot more life to be had there versus here IMO. Seems in America we work so long and so hard that it seems like months go by very very quickly. A 3 week stint in Cuba and I was feeling like the world stopped for 3 months!!! Anyway, to each his own and whatever you do, make sure your happy and make the most of it. When you do leave this earth, have no regrets. At 43, I have been married twice, have a wonderful daughter and am broke!! LOL.. But I have had a great life, much better than my parents who are retired and dont have a clue about what they want to do with themselves now. I have lived well, and if I died tomorrow i would have no regrets!!!

Kahlil Gibran | 08-18-2007 04:27 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? :congrats: Outstanding posts Cigarlover. Please continue!

skirnir | 08-18-2007 04:33 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by cigarlover (Post 701015) For now I am getting out while I am still free to do so. Rememeber it was only 20 years ago when Russians werent even allowed to leave.
Exactly, in the unlikely event I would ever change my mind about this country, I'd at least like to lock in the option *not* to stay by leaving. After all, someone has to buy the gold and remit hard currency, like Hang Seng bank in Hong Kong. :D

cigarlover | 08-18-2007 05:14 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Happy to help just feel free to ask questions. IMO the greatest thing about the internet is that we can all come together in one place and share knowledge.. Let me know what info you are looking for about what place and i will help where i can. I do want to clarify that I havent been to central and south America yet but have dont lots of research about many countries.

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cigarlover | 08-18-2007 05:45 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Cuba info. Cant own property but with a little money anything is possible. I'm single so if I really wanted to stay there i would just marry someone there and start the house bartering process. The danger is she could divorce you once you got what you wanted and since you have no rights she would keep the property but if you have money and can take care of her and her family she would have no reason to leave unless you were a jerk. Food is good but fairly bland. Black bean and rice, pork, chicken. There is bread and stuff and in Havana in a larger store you cn get mny different items including beef but its expensive. Theres also a store in havana where the diplomats shop with better selections of things. Havent been there though. Connections are important in cuba. My 1st gf in Cuba was 20, a school teacher and lived in Camaguey. Its about 6 hours outside of havana. In 9 months I basically rebuild mot of her house, added a bedroom for us and set them up with running water. She lived with grandparents and her mother. All of that was 1500 US. They were the envy of the neighborhood after that!! LOL. When visiting someone always bring a bottle of rum, it is always appreciated. Some of the best rum, coffee and cigars on the planet. The women arent bad either. My last gf was great, still email with her on occassion. Her father is very high up in the government though and he wasnt to pleased with our engagement. I cant say who he was but he had almost daily contact with castro. Last year i went to the farm of Alejandro Robaina. Anyone can visit if you know where he lives. LOL.. At 88 years old he is still going strong. For those of you who dont know who he is, he is probably the most famous toboacco grower in the world and at any large habanos event he would be flown in to attend around the world. Not so much anymore because of his age but you get the picture. Also had a line of cigars named after him. The custom rolled cigars are the best. You cant buy anything that even comes close in regular production. Hard to get out of the country though. Only 23 cigars are permitted if you dont have a reciept for them. If you have a reciept for official production you can take as many as you want but will be subject to import duties in your destination country o course. Some of the best Jazz musicians in the world are in Cuba and you can see them up close and personnal for about 5 entry fee to the jazz clubs. Nothing like sitten in the jazz club sippin mojitos with a beautiful lady and listenting to these guys jam.. In any other county these would be mutimillionaire superstar but there they are just great musisians that are approachable. Elmer ferrer is an awesome Cuban guitarist. If you were to see him in the US you would think he is American. Looks like a rock star!! LOL. His wife xyrna is a sweety too and also looks american. His music is a cross between stevie ray Vaughn, jeff beck and Jimi hendrix.. I always get a chuckle out of listening to him and when the band starts singing in spnish its kinda weird. You hear the music and think hes aMERICAN THEN THEY SING AND ITS IN sPANISH. A friend of mine in canada signed him to a record deal so thats how I was able to meet him and hang ou with him and his wife. Also my ex fiance was the producer at a radio station in havana and she already knew them well. She had done a program on them. When I took her to see him i told her it was a surprise. We saw his wife first at the club and she came over and gave my gf a big hug before me so it was kinda funny!! One of these days I will upload he video of him playing to utube Lots of history and beautiful architecture there too. Probably one of my favorite destinations in the world to be honest and if I could own real estate there I would probably make that my home. My first trip there i knew noone, arrived 3 days after a hurricane in Aug 04 and didnt have a place to stay!!! LOL.. It all came together and i ended up in a georgous house for 85.00 a night. 24 hour security, maid that did my laundry and cooked and cleaned, 6 rooms and a huge back patio. 5 air conditioners and a back up generator. I did ok for my first visit!!! Anyway, theres some random thoughts/info from Cuba. Oh my last trip i rented a 3 bedroom house with a pool and outdoor bbq, 2 maids ina great location!! 300 a night. I had a party there one night and everyone ended up naked running around the pool. Felt like a rock start that night!!! LOL..

GoldenPoet | 08-18-2007 05:55 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by cigarlover (Post 701015) Mexico is still cheap but they have thier own set of problems.
Please elaborate! Also, any info about Ecuador, Uruguay, Fiji, Tahiti?

cigarlover | 08-18-2007 06:07 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Philippines. Cheap cheap cheap!!! Was there for 3 weeks last year, peso was 50-1 down to 45 -1 now though. In Cuba there are 11 million people total. In manila there are 12 million!!!! I arrived in manila right after a typhoon hit (Must be my luck when I travel!! LOL..) Not much to say about Manila. Very crowded, very polluted and very Americanized. Lots of shopping, good food, casinos. Pretty much anything you want. I only stayed there 3 days as i am more of an explorer and tend to fit in better when I am off the beaten path. I flew to the south of the Philppines to Cagay de Oro. Nice little city, some great little restaurants but during peak times the traffic is pretty bad. For the most part the philippines is a pretty poor country. there is some money there but overall you cant escape the poverty except in a community type environment. Those environments arent for me though. Some are very upscale, 12 acres of land, 3-5000 sqr ft houses and priced around 120-150k.. Not a bad deal. Go out to the country and you can pick up a 10-15 acre farm for about 6-8k. Usually a rice farm or corn farm will pay for itself in about 3 years there. I cant say that I met one person in the entire 3 weeks that i did not like. Everyone was very friendly and always smiling and happy. Didnt matter that they were poor, just happy to be alive I guess. For obvious reasons they would love to latch onto an outsider so the biggest problem as a single guy is keeping the women off. The women that I did meet were very friendly, very warm and loving and they all were great to spend time with. I took a liking to one girl and spent a week with her. I invited her family to dinner one night and 1 by one they arrived, cousins, Aunts, friends of cousins ect.. After about 30 minutes all 16 of us were finally seated in the open air restaraunt. It was a nice plae, on the water, and I do mean on the water, when you look over the edge of the railings it was water so they mut have built it on stilts or something. Anyway, everyone had one or 2 drinks and there was enough food to feed an army. When the bill arrieded and it was 39.00 I just laughed. Would have been more for the tip in the US. Most restaurants were very good. They dont do Italian very well there though but other than that the local cusine is excellent. Lots of chicken pork, rice, vegies and basic food. Plenty of anything you want there. Lots of malls and when you get to a mall its like entering a mall in the US. if it wernt for the fact that they are all 5'tall and a slightly tanned color wih slightly slanted eyes, you would think you were in the US. I it werent so far away, i would serious consider that country.. Had a great time and was very easy to do anything i wanted, from set up a business meeting to order out. The girl that i spent the most time with is still sort of a gf.. I'm paying her way through college even though i may never see her again. At 900 a year for college though, if I can help her help herself and her family, its worth it. I've wasted a lot more money on a lot less in my life.

cigarlover | 08-18-2007 06:18 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenPoet (Post 701142) Please elaborate! Also, any info about Ecuador, Uruguay, Fiji, Tahiti?
Havent looked into Fiji and Tahiti ever since I heard its really been overrun by foreigners and is now very polluted. Nothing like the Mutiny on the bounty days!! LOL.. However, the Island that Fletcher Christian ened up on is very open still. Population is actually declining i believe. Theres a yahoo newgroup about the Island. I subscribed to it once and when I find it I wil post the link if your interested. Anyway, my understanding is they did ok there until recently but if you want to get away theres the place to be!! They do garden there and have a small colony still. last i heard it was less than 100 people, if i remember correctly. Mexico is still pretty cheap in many places. Get away from the coast and the cities and you could do well but the poverty is still pretty bad and there are less riskier places to live IMO. For me leaving my doors open all day and night is something i have laways done and is a measure of the quality of life I am looking for. I moved to boston earlier this year, live in a 2nd floor apartment and my doors have been wide open to the street and backyard all summer. !!! Anyway, Mexico was a consideration at one time but with he water, problems, poverty and crime and now especially with the drug cartels, I think theres better plces to go. Ecuador, beautiful country and fairly stable politically. I havent been but have talked to people from there. havent heard anything negative about the place. I did see a show on the place last year and one of things they like to eat was guinie pigs LOL.. I think he said it tastes like chicken.. There is still some nice land there and although I havent investigated it its probably still affordable.

cigarlover | 08-18-2007 06:25 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? oops forgot Uraguay.. I believe i just ran into uraguay by accident from doing reserch on Argentina.. If I remember correctly its in the upper right hand corner.. Wait that might be paraguay LOL.. Better go look .. Ok I was correct, its between Argentina and brazil.. Small country but politically stable. very european similar to Beunos Aries Argentina. Economy seems to be ok and the land prices were reasonable. I would have to look into it more but be careful as I know on that side of Argentina there is a lot of mining going on and because of it there was an arsenic problem in the land over there. I honestly dont know if it has affected uraguay or not but I would look into it. I ran across an article on it when I was doing a search for Argentina land. You could probably google Arsenic in Argentina and find it easier and determine if it stems into uraguay.

cigarlover | 08-18-2007 06:29 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Heres that yahoo message group. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FRIENDSofPITCAIRN/

Carl | 08-18-2007 07:07 PM
Re: Escape from the USA - to go where? Uruguay .

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