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Tn...Andy | 02-27-2009 01:28 PM
Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... From a local board here: Looking to rent a dozer for a week or two and piddle around some at my place in the evenings and weekend. I don't want to be rushed or pay by the hour. If you need it for another job come get it. Just store it here for about a week or two and I'll pay you so I can make some small trails through the woods. Large bobcat, trachoe, backhoe - etc will work. I just want something to move some dirt around and sort of play with. I will pay for any damages I cause. I have a few hundred hours experience with skidsteers but would prefer something bigger So, I happen to have a late model, low hour, small dozer ( Mitsubishi BD2H ) sitting around not doing much, and I offer it to the guy for 250 bucks/wk for 10hrs use/wk, and 20 per hr for all hours, by the meter, over 10. He responds "well, no, at that rate, I just can't do it"..... I mean, this is a 50,000 buck machine I'd be turning over to someone I don't even know for a measly 25/hr...... I guess he thinks somebody is gonna bring him one for nothing, just to "store it" so he can play. He apparently doesn't understand that anything with tracks costs money every time the track rolls.....1500-2000hrs, and you're putting 3-5k into track maintenance... Jeezeee.....people are a hoot......I need to stay the heck away from the internet.

damoc | 02-27-2009 01:33 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... id take that deal in a minute

Armed.peasant | 02-27-2009 01:39 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... You know the guy would have it tracks up the first day he used it. Then you have to flip it back over with a rented trackhoe and never get any money for damages.

Atahualpa | 02-27-2009 01:40 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... If he could find a track machine for $500 a day (whether he runs it or not) I would be surprised. It would be a risky deal to let him learn on your machine. Edit...I was a Union crane operator (Operating Engineers Local 450) and as a crane operator, the contractors pretty much trust you on any machine. My first week running a D-9, I got that thing so buried in muck that it took another dozer to get me out...you have to know what you are doing with equipment.

Victor | 02-27-2009 03:13 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... He is looking for a free or next to free loan. No way does this guy not jump on that deal you offered him unless he is clueless. At that point you don't want him on your equipment.

momopanda | 02-27-2009 03:19 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... If he 'just can't do it' at the rate you offered him, how exactly does he plan to 'pay for any damages'?

Goldhedge | 02-27-2009 03:32 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... Send this link to him. http://www.machinerytrader.com/listi...x?ohid=6335651 $15k to buy one. Cheap....

RiverRat | 02-27-2009 03:34 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... :bear_w00t: Too cheap Andy...:36_1_30: Once that guy throws a track or flips a tree down on his head he will blame you for renting him a defective machine. Whatever happens it will be YOUR FAULT. My CAT 931B has a cab,but trees break off high on the trunk sometimes when you're pushing one over and if not for the roll bar and a steel roof I would have been dead or injured half a dozen times. Dead trees are the worst... Let him go to a local heavy equipment rental place and have a heart attack when they quote him a rental rate...plus delivery and pickup. Most places expect you to have your own truck and a lowboy trailer for BIG equipment,otherwise they will ream you a new one and smile about it. :yes::4_1_72::yes: Nope...a skid steer is NOT a Dozer by any stretch of the imagination. They will also flip over just as easy as a skid steer regardless of how heavy they look. Steering with pedals is an art that takes weeks of practice to acquire and wet clutches vs dry clutches change the whole ballgame from machine to machine. I jumped on a Komatsu Dozer a few years back and it was so different from CAT equipment I felt like I was a beginner learning how to drive the damn thing. Every control was in a different place...same goes for TLB's and excavators...different hydraulic controls and steering methods can intimidate even a veteran heavy equipment operator. Tell him to get serious and rent a CAT 973 crawler/loader. Should be able to cut a mile or two of road and even demolish his home in a couple hours...tops. Might even kill himself in the process while having all that fun playing in the dirt. :emotions16::smile::emotions16: Just joking...but I almost flipped my excavator off a dam I was building when soft dirt gave way under the tracks...I rammed the bucket and the front blade down and it held itself almost vertical long enough for me to carefully cut the engine off and bail out.Otherwise it was a 20 foot dive straight off a steep bank into the water on a 14,000 lb bullet. I pulled it out with my backhoe but it wasn't one of my favorite memories when I think back on it. I should have chained it to start with...I didn't expect the dirt to be THAT SOFT...I was wrong. Anyway...maybe his cousin has a nice dozer or skid steer that needs trashing...the guy has no idea how much heavy equipment costs. Let him learn the hard way...or better yet...pay you $100.00 an hour to do it for him...I charge a four hour minimum...no exceptions. People don't realize how much damage a good operator and a good machine can do in two hours...in a day I could clear enough space to land an airplane if I was on a roll and had a gallon of coffee to sip on. Some people....sheeeesh. :mad_m::biggrin::mad_m:

brewer | 02-27-2009 03:37 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... Howdy Andy, this is ol' brewer, You always have something interesting to post. The person that turned down your offer was a fool... My oh My... the things I could could get done around here at my homestead with that equipment..ah well one shovel and wheel barrel works, less overhead. Good luck ol' friend.

Twisted Avatar | 02-27-2009 03:43 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor (Post 1597829) He is looking for a free or next to free loan. No way does this guy not jump on that deal you offered him unless he is clueless. At that point you don't want him on your equipment.
Maybe Obama told him he can get it???

brewer | 02-27-2009 03:52 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... Oh yeah Andy good luck starting up that new greenhouse this year. I've got a long list of plants and trying to sort out all the plant seedlings/starts for our new greenhouse and TIMEING in ths whacky climate. At least the canning jars and drying screens are ready for 09's harvest.

brewer | 02-27-2009 04:05 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... Good stuff River Rat.. Did I tell you'al about the time My FIL got a D9 Cat stuck in the Idaho MTs,??? I took 2 days "Mining it" out of mud on an isolated logging road....ah what fun digging a out D9 cat and I'm under the belly pan like a troll. Hilllarious, 30 years later.

Tn...Andy | 02-27-2009 04:46 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... Yeah....the more I think about it, the more I'm glad he turned me down. I was just remembering back when I first got this place how I would have loved to have had a dozer/loader to work with rather than have to hire everything out.... I got a 750 JD dozer stuck on a stump once.....big oak stump cut off almost level with ground...centered it right on the belly pan, and the tracks just spun dirt off either side. Finally piled up a bunch of timbers under the blade, used the blade to lift the dozer up enough to where I could crawl under it with chainsaw and cut the stump out.

Tn...Andy | 02-27-2009 04:56 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldhedge (Post 1597874) Send this link to him. http://www.machinerytrader.com/listi...x?ohid=6335651 $15k to buy one. Cheap....
That's mine almost exactly, except mine is a 1998 model, only has 400 hrs on it, and has an 8 way blade instead of a 6. Tracks had rubber pads bolted over the steel tracks, they must have run it on pavement, as the tracks didn't look like they had ever been in dirt. Paint wasn't even worn. Mitsubishi and Cat are in partnership, and this machine has many Cat features.....including the "C" shaped blade mount, recessed grease fittings, even came with a "CAT" keyring..ahahaha....wonderful little machine.....VERY quiet.....only bulldozer I've ever been around that you can carry on a fairly normal conversation with the engine running. Notice you don't see a muffler/exhaust sticking up ? It's routed thru the fame and exits out the back behind that black mount for the canopy, about waist high. REAL handy for firing up a brush pile of green stuff.....I back into the pile, light it off, depress the back end by lowering the blade so the exhaust acts like a blower in a forge...and crank up the engine speed....in ten minutes, you have a glowing pile of fired up brush ! I gave FRN 18,500 for it delivered from Japan in 2002....but they ran about 50k new....deflation CAN be a wonderful thing if you're on the right end.....ahahahahaaaa

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 02-27-2009 06:56 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... You gave him a great deal to get some much needed work done on his property, he's foolish for not accepting immediately

Little Ant | 02-27-2009 07:20 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... No free lunch- he gets a cheese sandwich.

Little Ant | 02-27-2009 07:23 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... I got a rusty shovel he can rent for $5 a day.:111:

hoarder | 02-27-2009 07:24 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... You can rent equipment from Caterpillar so cheap these days I don't know how anyone could compete with them. I rented a 10,000 pound excavator for less than $150 a day. They delivered it free way out in the mountains. I don't understand how they survive, must be getting big loans to pay off smaller loans. No way the mom and pop rentals can compete.

scyth | 02-27-2009 08:26 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... You folks have no idea about the depths of cheap.......... Back in the very early 80's, I had a business which built A line of hand spinning wheels and handweaving looms. And yes, I am a spinner and a weaver (Another interesting survival discusssion, by the way). Anyway, I rented about 6k square feet from a certain Mr. B For my shop space. He was very tight. The shop had a growing infestation of rats at one point, And I complained and complained with no result. Finally I took to carrying a .22 pump action pellet pistol And shooting the rats. Mr. B showed up one day to collect his rent And a rat went running along the chord of one of the roof trusses. In an inspired moment I pulled out the pellet gun And shot the rat off the beam, who died screaming at Mr. B's feet. Then told him I wasn't gonna pay rent until he fixed it. Well, he finally did. Not more than a couple months later, he shows up and Is kinda hanging around shuffling his feet; its not time To pay the rent and I'm wondering what's up. The essence of the following conversation was that His mother had died, and "Do you know what they want for coffins?" Followed by the fact that he had a bunch of good hardwood pallets And could I convert those pallets, for a small sum, into her coffin? Needless to say, I refused. Now that is cheap! scyth

Tn...Andy | 02-27-2009 08:28 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... I yield the remainder of this thread to the gentleman above. No way that can be topped.

Tumbleweed | 02-27-2009 08:34 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... I 2007 I rented a Komatsu excavator on tracks. I had to buy $55,000 insurance on it because that was what it was valued at used before I could rent it. The rent was $2700 for 30 days or 180 hours. I put over 180 hours on it in the thirty days. Dug four and a half miles of ditch four to five feet deep. I don't remember what the hours cost after the 180 hours but they didn't charge me for them because the machine was in good shape when I returned it. I was digging up copper cable that had been abandoned when the minute man missle silos were abandoned. Dug up a $100,000 worth of cable. It was a good machine and well worth the rent considering what I was doing with it.

scyth | 02-27-2009 08:40 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... Sorry All - Didn't mean to hijack this thread. It just opened up the memory banks of tightwads I have known. scyth

TTAZZMAN | 02-27-2009 08:44 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... you better consider this scam no matter what you do.. I had a Dozer sitting on a site we were just using for maintenece....So one day i get this call from a tree guy i had working on the same site with some heavy equipment.. he says there is a guy out here wanting to hire me to move his Dozer off the site to his farm...So i get excited told him to keep the guy there and i ran out there with the local athorities (cause i hadnt sold the dozer to anyone)....well this guy says he has bought the dozer.....so he immediatly canceled his check he had wrote to a guy who had advertized and sold my dozer on my site ...(very short version of the story) Heck.....it would be easy to SELL a dozer if it wasnt yours on your site.. Just think about it..

Ralleia | 02-27-2009 08:49 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... Don't apologize scyth... That was simply an awesome story. Thank you for sharing it.

Ag_man | 02-27-2009 08:54 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1597634) From a local board here: Looking to rent a dozer for a week or two and piddle around some at my place in the evenings and weekend. I don't want to be rushed or pay by the hour. If you need it for another job come get it. Just store it here for about a week or two and I'll pay you so I can make some small trails through the woods. Large bobcat, trachoe, backhoe - etc will work. I just want something to move some dirt around and sort of play with. I will pay for any damages I cause. I have a few hundred hours experience with skidsteers but would prefer something bigger So, I happen to have a late model, low hour, small dozer ( Mitsubishi BD2H ) sitting around not doing much, and I offer it to the guy for 250 bucks/wk for 10hrs use/wk, and 20 per hr for all hours, by the meter, over 10. He responds "well, no, at that rate, I just can't do it"..... I mean, this is a 50,000 buck machine I'd be turning over to someone I don't even know for a measly 25/hr...... I guess he thinks somebody is gonna bring him one for nothing, just to "store it" so he can play. He apparently doesn't understand that anything with tracks costs money every time the track rolls.....1500-2000hrs, and you're putting 3-5k into track maintenance... Jeezeee.....people are a hoot......I need to stay the heck away from the internet.
Jesus, around here, you might be able to rent a 753 Bobcat for that money.

Armed.peasant | 02-27-2009 10:00 PM
Re: Amazing how cheap some SOB's are..... Quote:
Originally Posted by Ag_man (Post 1598512) Jesus, around here, you might be able to rent a 753 Bobcat for that money.
What would Jesus do with a Bobcat?

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