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Anty Ep | 10-12-2006 03:27 PM
Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story Read this and weep Megpoli denizens! Quote:
Biggest U.S. cities not ready to evacuate: study 2 hours, 32 minutes ago Los Angeles, Chicago and New York are among the least prepared cities in the United States to evacuate quickly in case of a catastrophe, a report by a transportation advocacy group showed on Thursday. The American Highway Users Alliance study of the 37 largest urban areas showed that 25 of the biggest cities were less prepared for a major evacuation than New Orleans, which struggled during Hurricane Katrina in 2005 to empty the city before and as it flooded. The only city to score a top grade for evacuation capability and preparedness was Kansas City, Missouri. The cities that received the lowest scores included Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Miami and the San Francisco/San Jose area. "The big cities with the biggest traffic problems right now face the biggest challenge," said Greg Cohen, president of the organization. "Los Angeles did the worst. It has legendary traffic jams on a daily basis." The cities were evaluated on internal traffic flow, highway capacity of major exit routes and residents' accessibility to automobiles. In June the Department of Homeland Security released a study that showed that most cities and states in the United States were unprepared for a major catastrophe. The report said evacuation planning was one of the biggest areas of concern. The American Highways User Alliance is a nonprofit group representing motorists and automobile-related business that advocates road-building to ease traffic congestion.

Anty Ep | 10-12-2006 03:28 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story Can you imagine if a Tsunami were headed for NYC? wow. Or LA. LA wouldnt be as bad, but it would be bad too. Chicago isnt in danger of tsunami problem but it is subject to other more man-made hazards. Like riots.

silverbullet | 10-12-2006 04:40 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story It's no real secret that with the sheer number of people and the available infrastructure, you can't get all the people out of cities in a hurry. I hope they didn't spend a lot of cash on this "study". It also seems like they have come to the obvious conclusion that it is easier to leave a city when you can travel in any direction to get out. New York-can't go east LA- Can't go west Chicago-can't go north Miami-well, just can't go too far any direction Kansas City- Go whatever direction you want. Much easier to spread out the traffic flow over 360 degrees. That said, there is no way I'd want to be anywhere near a large city in a real SHTF situation. It would get real ugly, real fast. We'll get to see people at their absolute worst. :afraid:

tinman | 10-12-2006 05:12 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story So even if Chicago, NYC or LA could be evacuated, where would the people go?

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 10-12-2006 05:34 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story This story makes me real glad I just bought a 4 x 4... (my first-ever)

Anty Ep | 10-13-2006 11:23 AM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story Quote:
Originally Posted by tinman (Post 385541) So even if Chicago, NYC or LA could be evacuated, where would the people go?
well the question is how. using school buses would be the principal way most of the non-auto-owning population would be evacuated and they would, judging from Katrina, be dispersed to nearby cities that could absorb them, such as Gary, Detroit, Indianapolis, St Louis, Minneapolis, Milwaukee-- you get the idea. people in cars, wow, fughettaboudit. Chicago is traffic jam central almost 24/7 on the Dan Ryan, Tri State toll, Eisenhower, etc. It's always under construction and always packed. and, 90-94 corridor to Indiana is the highest rate of semi-trucks per linear mile of interstate in the USA or so I've heard-- major bottleneck. trains are already packed too just for commuter use, so they're no great help........... .........unless you break out the "cattle cars" from the stockyards, commandeer the freight trains, and "pack em in" like sardines. Raus! :party30:

randymatt | 10-13-2006 11:37 AM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story Ever been in a major city when a storm knocked out the power and no traffic lights are working, BIG back-ups, hours to even get to the jammed up free-ways. And what about those that run out of gas (power-off) and clog the roads up even more.

Maddie | 10-13-2006 11:48 AM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story I live in Atlanta. When our mayor was asked by a newspaper reporter about the city's evacuation plans in the event of an emergency, she laughed and said the city couldn't be evacuated and has no plans in place to manage an evacuation. At least she's truthful. We can't even get through a weekday rush hour. The head of disaster planning says the city only plans for ice storms and power outages.

Anty Ep | 10-13-2006 12:17 PM
anthropophagy Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 386048) I live in Atlanta. When our mayor was asked by a newspaper reporter about the city's evacuation plans in the event of an emergency, she laughed and said the city couldn't be evacuated and has no plans in place to manage an evacuation. At least she's truthful. We can't even get through a weekday rush hour. The head of disaster planning says the city only plans for ice storms and power outages.
I hear they have real good barbecue in Atlanta. I figure in a collapse they will feature that odd meat sometimes called "wild mountain pig"

silverJeep | 10-13-2006 12:29 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story Quote:
Originally Posted by silverbullet (Post 385483) Kansas City- Go whatever direction you want. Much easier to spread out the traffic flow over 360 degrees.
My thoughts exactly. When you'rebacked up against a coast you have a far bigger disadvantage. No big revelation in that article. I used to live in the L.A. area. They can't even "evacuate" home every day at 5:00 without a lot of people getting their feelings hurt. ...Tennessee is the place to be boys!!

Tn...Andy | 10-13-2006 12:34 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story Quote:
Originally Posted by silverJeep (Post 386093) Tennessee is the place to be boys!!
Keep it up and we're coming over and break your typing fingers. The mission, once you get here, to tell everybody far and wide what a crappy, backward, junky, inbred place this is. IF they ever figure out in Atlanta that they can drive up I-85, and catch I-26 and be right here in 4 hours, we are soooooo screwed.

silverJeep | 10-13-2006 01:50 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 386108) The mission, once you get here, to tell everybody far and wide what a crappy, backward, junky, inbred place this is. IF they ever figure out in Atlanta that they can drive up I-85, and catch I-26 and be right here in 4 hours, we are soooooo screwed.
But if we say what you're suggesting, we'll only get the crappy, backward, junky, inbred people up here. And really... don't we have enough of those?? ...ever been to the Piney Flats Flea Market? Geesh!!! Nothin but shirtless, toothless, overall wearin, folks with the distinct smell of deep-fried cigarettes. How am I doin Andy? :wink:

Tn...Andy | 10-13-2006 02:33 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story Keep practicing....you're getting the hang of it.....ahahahahaaa

Green Mountain Boy | 10-13-2006 02:38 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story Quote:
Originally Posted by silverJeep (Post 386169) ...ever been to the Piney Flats Flea Market? Geesh!!! Nothin but shirtless, toothless, overall wearin, folks with the distinct smell of deep-fried cigarettes.
Hey, isn't that the definition of a flea market?:cooler: We have them up here too and they come pretty close to your description.

NOOB | 10-13-2006 03:51 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story Atlanta is screwed. The traffic here is unbearable as it is. My next 6 months of weekends will be spent in middle tennessee looking for a nice farm to purchase. Anybody got about 100 acres for sale? NOOB

silverJeep | 10-13-2006 03:56 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story Quote:
Originally Posted by NOOB (Post 386308) Atlanta is screwed. The traffic here is unbearable as it is. My next 6 months of weekends will be spent in middle tennessee looking for a nice farm to purchase. Anybody got about 100 acres for sale? NOOB
DAMN!!!!!! Sorry Andy.

buff01 | 10-13-2006 04:03 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story Quote:
Originally Posted by skyvike (Post 386275) I'm going to send a link to this thread to my wife, the dragonlady, who can't understand why I don't want to live in the city. She almost blew a gasket the other day when I said there was no way I'm gonna move to a place inside 494/694 (known as "the beltway" or "ring road" in other cities).....
I need to figure out a way to explain this to my girlfriend as well... she's afraid of moving too far away from the good food and other asian folk here.. she's scared of the good ole boys, I think. Any recommendations from you guys on how I can convince her that California is just too dangerous to stay in? Obviously I am 100% sold on getting the hell out. Any links to articles, etc? I'll be visiting North Carolina (Durham area) soon to visit a good friend and I'd like to poke around looking for somewhere to settle down if I like it there.

Maddie | 10-13-2006 04:39 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story Quote:
Originally Posted by NOOB (Post 386308) Atlanta is screwed. The traffic here is unbearable as it is. My next 6 months of weekends will be spent in middle tennessee looking for a nice farm to purchase. Anybody got about 100 acres for sale? NOOB
We've been looking, too. We already have an idea of the area we want. The land in that area isn't the least expensive in TN, but a lot of our long-time friends are up there, and they've been keeping after us to come up. Probably won't move up for another couple of years, yet, though (if hubby stays at his job a little under 2 more years, he'll have medical insurance through them at government employee cost for life). It would be nice to have a ready-made community of people we've known for 20 years, and we know the land well up there. Sorry, Andy. We're gonna sneak in through northern Alabama! Bwaa haa haa! If it helps, I drive a big old pickup truck and have a lot of guns...:D

NOOB | 10-13-2006 05:13 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story I just sold a piece of investment property so I have to get something else. I have been looking on the net at middle tennesse. Prices seem ok(downright cheap compared to atlanta) and i cant wait to actually narrow it down to a few properties and go look at them. I will be driving my 4x4 and as always a firearm wont be far away. NOOB

Anty Ep | 10-13-2006 06:06 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story Quote:
Originally Posted by NOOB (Post 386397) I just sold a piece of investment property so I have to get something else. I have been looking on the net at middle tennesse. Prices seem ok(downright cheap compared to atlanta) and i cant wait to actually narrow it down to a few properties and go look at them. I will be driving my 4x4 and as always a firearm wont be far away. NOOB
Blue Ridge mountains are beeyootiful. I was just on walkabout down there in the intersection of WV, VA, and Tenn. That's a wonderful corner of all three states. One of my friends just built a nice cabin on a ridge-top right next to a national park.

Worldmariner | 10-14-2006 06:07 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story Quote:
Originally Posted by silverJeep (Post 386093) My thoughts exactly. When you'rebacked up against a coast you have a far bigger disadvantage.!!
Unless you own a boat!!

Worldmariner | 10-14-2006 06:15 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story [quote=buff01;386317] Any recommendations from you guys on how I can convince her that California is just too dangerous to stay in? Obviously I am 100% sold on getting the hell out. Any links to articles, etc? quote] Maybe a different part of Cali would work?

buff01 | 10-14-2006 09:38 PM
Re: Cities wont be able to evacuate -- story Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldmariner (Post 387174) Maybe a different part of Cali would work?
Actually she does want to get out of the state, which is what's important to me. The question is where to end up at, and that we'll have to figure out. A few things that I require of my final destination is that it have excellent gunowners' rights, and that property over an acre is available cheaply. An abundance of water nearby would be another plus. I am an engineer by trade, so I will have to live close to some kind of civilization, hopefully a place with a white and asian community.

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