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randymatt | 12-23-2006 01:10 PM
Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? I know, depends on what SHTF is and involves and how prepaired you are. Mine would probably the goverment,,, and No GIM :afraid:

Large Sarge | 12-23-2006 01:28 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? the most likely and scariest thing I see is an attack on Iran, reducing oil supplies by 50%+ literally over night. All Hell is going to break loose from that, riots, food shortages, etc the other likely event in the next 10 years is a currency collapse, same things: riots, etc both are VERY LIKELY I am pretty well prepared, always more to do though.

Satyr | 12-23-2006 01:35 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? I've got guns. I've got ammo. I've got a few PMs. I think my main fear would be a food shortage. Of course, I could always hunt for some food. But I suspect many others would be doing the same as well. Perhaps I'll have to make a trip to the local zoo :haha: . I have a few MREs, but not enough to last me much more than 2 weeks.

Large Sarge | 12-23-2006 01:39 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? @Satyr, you might look into the mountain house food deals, they last like 40+ years. you can get about 3 month supply for around $800.00 (old price) they do sales every now and then, Food, Water, Shelter, etc Big berkey water filter is a MUST also, I got that covered

Satyr | 12-23-2006 01:45 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? @Large Sarge Thanks. I'll have to look into that. Better safe than sorry. Have you eaten any of the stuff yet? If so, how does it taste?

Kahlil Gibran | 12-23-2006 01:46 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Quote:
Whats your biggest WSHTF fear?
That electricity to my television will be cut off and I won't have anybody to tell me what to fear. I'm trembling just thinking about it. No, I'm going to fight the mob at Best Buy this afternoon and buy a battery-operated tee-vee. :stickyman Survivor comes on at 7pm and I need to be prepared...

mtnman | 12-23-2006 01:49 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? My biggest fear when TSHTF is that I may have to turn my rifle on starving Americans. I am prepared but 99% of the population is not. Well I can�t feed everyone. Now I live in the sticks but even out here there may be gangs of starving people looking for food. Hungry people will get violent. I don�t want to hurt anyone but I will protect my family and stores. If that means killing the starving so be it.

Large Sarge | 12-23-2006 02:09 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Quote:
Originally Posted by Satyr (Post 453510) @Large Sarge Thanks. I'll have to look into that. Better safe than sorry. Have you eaten any of the stuff yet? If so, how does it taste?
have not tried it yet, many on this board have tried it, and gave the taste 2 thumbs up. I am serious about the Iran thing and food shortages, I really see a gas crisis unlike anything we have ever seen before. if you remember at the end of WW2 Germany was low on fuel, and entering currency collapse, the folks who survived it were forced back to living like they were in the stone age, bartering was the only currency, no food, no water, limited shelter, etc Attacking Iran would put us in a similar state in a hurry I am afraid.

Large Sarge | 12-23-2006 02:14 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 453512) My biggest fear when TSHTF is that I may have to turn my rifle on starving Americans. I am prepared but 99% of the population is not. Well I can’t feed everyone. Now I live in the sticks but even out here there may be gangs of starving people looking for food. Hungry people will get violent. I don’t want to hurt anyone but I will protect my family and stores. If that means killing the starving so be it.
I agree, I will protect my family & property. the sheep are clueless about what attacking Iran will do to the U.S. or their standard of living. "put another yellow ribbon & dubya sticker on the S.U.V. honey, we're going to the mall"

Tn...Andy | 12-23-2006 03:15 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 453512) My biggest fear when TSHTF is that I may have to turn my rifle on starving Americans. I am prepared but 99% of the population is not. Well I can�t feed everyone. Now I live in the sticks but even out here there may be gangs of starving people looking for food. Hungry people will get violent. I don�t want to hurt anyone but I will protect my family and stores. If that means killing the starving so be it.
Yep......that would be hard. My other biggest worry is that I will have to sleep sometime.

The Voice Of Reason | 12-23-2006 03:26 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 453512) My biggest fear when TSHTF is that I may have to turn my rifle on starving Americans. I am prepared but 99% of the population is not. Well I can�t feed everyone. Now I live in the sticks but even out here there may be gangs of starving people looking for food. Hungry people will get violent. I don�t want to hurt anyone but I will protect my family and stores. If that means killing the starving so be it.
You took the words right out of my mouth except I don't live out in the sticks.........yet.

90%RealMoney | 12-23-2006 03:29 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Finally got around to buying Matthew Bracken's books, "Enemies, foreign and Domestic", and "Domestic Enemies". I will finish the first book today. Wow, what a great read, and a scary story! Highly recommended reading for people reading this thread, as well as ALL GIM'ers!

AMforPM | 12-23-2006 03:40 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? My worst fear is the paranoid gubbermint getting so out of line the whole thing turns violent. Civil war is the most horrible calamity that can befall a people. And civil wars end up with a warlord on top most of the time after both sides, or many sides kill a lot of women and children caught in the crossfire one way and another. Peaceful change even worked vs the old USSR with Solidarity in Poland and vs very entrenched elite in Bolivia. Then you end up without all the brother killing brother and better government. After all, that 19 year old who signed up because he had no job and wanted to go to college is not really anyone's enemy. He probably genuinely wants to serve his country and the martial law stuff, if pressed upon him, will distress him. We have to remember that we need changed thinking and hearts, not to have to hurt and kill the ones who have not figured it out yet. It takes a long time, but the mess during Katrina woke a lot of people up. And more are getting off the propaganda wagon every day. I hope Katrina made more people store some food and medicine. It seems to have among people I know. I think Mt House is pretty bad. About like not so hot canned. But compared to going hungry or eating beans every meal it will be a nice change of pace. Sort of survival fast food. And it only needs water if cooking is a problem, and it keeps a long time. Some long storage alfalfa sprout seeds for fresh veggie nutrition and some long storage freeze dried corn, fruits, and textured vegetable protein, butter powder, tomato powder, spices. even mashed potato flakes can also add long storage stuff to your basic beans, rice, grits. We like oatmeal so we got long storage oatmeal and fruit to go in it. And don't forget salt, sugar, coffee, and your favorite hard liquor. It keeps whereas beer gets nasty if old. A beer making kit and supplies to make a lot might make you something great for trade goods in extreme and chaotic hard times.

AMforPM | 12-23-2006 03:50 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Really good point, gasilat. I had not considered how extreme that will be for some.

Horn | 12-23-2006 03:52 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Chip implantation of my children.

demosfen | 12-23-2006 03:52 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? After not being able to watch 'American idol', definitely the government. Almost everything else is more or less managable if you are prepared, but except for heading for the hills, I don't have a plan for dealing with government

mispillion | 12-23-2006 04:12 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? by far my biggest fear is us going to a cashless society, the gov'ment and big businesses' greatest dream. the power to deny either individuals or areas the ability to survive with a strike of a key. not sure if our gold and silver would serve any purpose if our accounts are marked "cancelled". it will be instituted to "protect us". at this point we become "prison nation".

damoc | 12-23-2006 08:44 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? That whatever it is will occur when I am away from the family. Everything else is prior planning or hard decision.

Fixture | 12-24-2006 01:28 AM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? My biggest fear would be an illness that is beyond me. I have all the essentials....but the wife or me getting an incurable illness would cause me much angst. I watch the anthrax and STD's and smallpox news with a raised eyebrow. I'm not particularly "worried" about it at my location, but if it came here, it would devastate me. I live in the sticks...I like the sticks. I know a lot of people and I know that promiscuity is rampant. Just "one" carrier of gamma-5 or AIDS or whatever could do tremendous damage to a community. All other concerns are easily dealt with...but not a disease carried by "one of us".

Unclad Lad | 12-24-2006 01:30 AM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? That I will not be ready. Which is not unreasonable, because how many people really are ready? My biggest fear is when I run out of certain prescription drugs. There are worse things than being killed and eaten.

Lore | 12-24-2006 03:42 AM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Preps proving pointless due to a completely unforeseen SHTF.

Large Sarge | 12-24-2006 07:16 AM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixture (Post 453882) My biggest fear would be an illness that is beyond me. I have all the essentials....but the wife or me getting an incurable illness would cause me much angst. I watch the anthrax and STD's and smallpox news with a raised eyebrow. I'm not particularly "worried" about it at my location, but if it came here, it would devastate me. I live in the sticks...I like the sticks. I know a lot of people and I know that promiscuity is rampant. Just "one" carrier of gamma-5 or AIDS or whatever could do tremendous damage to a community. All other concerns are easily dealt with...but not a disease carried by "one of us".
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REV127 | 12-25-2006 07:40 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? You don't have anything to fear from starving people. Hungry people may be a problem but I wouldn't waste bullets on them, all you need are a few 1lbs pepper spray fog units creatively positioned and either triggered by boobytraps or a from a central control located in a secure part of your house. When hungry people eventually show up to steal what is yours and kill you to atone for their own irresponsibility they will be quickly disuaded when the air around them in no longer breathable. You can also pop smoke so they can't see. Then you can break out a bullhorn and start shouting scary things at them. If its night you can pop off a few parachute flares to further confound their senses. You can even fire a few rubber slugs or rubber pellets out of a shotgun in their general direction. The group psychology will be broken, they will break and run, maybe even turn on eachother. If any persist they should be very easy to pick off your inner fenceline, barbed wire strung between thin poles and spaced fairly widely will be hard to see and clothesline most who try to rush your place. I'm mostly worried about NBC attacks or just an overwhelming force against which I'm forced to make a fighting retreat and ultimately lose my land.

noelephant | 12-25-2006 07:52 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Zombies. :ridinghor :party30: :party30: :party30: :party30: :party30:

RickW | 12-25-2006 09:59 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? My fear or phobia........lack of vino and snuff:D everything else is a luxury:eek:

wallew | 12-26-2006 01:47 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Go watch two movies... "A Boy and his Dog" (hard to find) AND "Rollover" (easy to find) This gives the two scenarios that scare me the most.

ladagerick | 12-26-2006 02:10 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 455148) Go watch two movies... "A Boy and his Dog" (hard to find) AND "Rollover" (easy to find) This gives the two scenarios that scare me the most.
Netflix has them both just added to my list always looking for interesting titles anymore suggestion would be appreciated!:D

Infidel | 12-26-2006 02:17 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? The BROWN people. :beer:

J.D.Rockinfeller | 12-26-2006 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AuAgHorn (Post 453582) Chip implantation of my children.
Not happening.

RiverRat | 12-26-2006 05:54 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? :D Unfortunately.....this subject could have a dozen different answers. Looking at it from a personal viewpoint is not the same as the view from the top. From the top I would have to say no fuel and a complete breakdown of the US monetary system per se. Even if we didn't get nuked or martial law was declared those two could slam the entire US down to a screeching halt with disasterous implications. Total chaos beyond the control of present law enforcement and the military. Quite simply...the citizens outgun all authority and the law of the jungle becomes the only law in town. On a personal level I would have to say my biggest fear would be the possibility of total mental breakdown of family members who still retain faith in the Empire and have no mental capacity for coping with total meltdown. Those who have never been exposed to war and real danger do not appreciate how hard it is to function in an actual kill or be killed environment. Some won't make the grade...they will be among the first casualties of sheep think and media brainwashing. Getting their brain wrapped around the fact that law as they knew it no longer exists will blow a few fuses resulting in the complete inabilty to function rationally...easier to just do nothing.There is no plan B because they laughed when others were discussing plan A. Someone has to call the shots...a lot of us here at GIM are Alpha types already,so our survival rates will be quite high vs the general population. But even so....it is hard to function rationally when the bullets are flying and you are depending on someone to watch your back that has completely spazzed out and lost it. I have saw the biggest hoo-hah macho types turn into fruit cakes under pressure,losing all perception of reality because their brain quite simply had never faced immenent death before...the wake up call came and they shut down like pulling the plug on a toaster. Unfortunately next time it might be your wife,son,daughter,father or mother who has to watch your back.If it gets that bad there will be those who go berserk and get lot's of people killed...maybe yourself trying to save them. There are no good scenarios.....all of them are bad.

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Metalophile | 12-26-2006 08:40 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? My biggest fear is EMP attack. Instantaneous total chaos with no warning! Food preps don't have to be expensive. A couple of 100 lb. bags of rice will keep you and your family alive for a while, and only cost you about 45 FRN.

Kahlil Gibran | 12-26-2006 09:10 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverRat (Post 455352) On a personal level I would have to say my biggest fear would be the possibility of total mental breakdown of family members who still retain faith in the Empire and have no mental capacity for coping with total meltdown. Those who have never been exposed to war and real danger do not appreciate how hard it is to function in an actual kill or be killed environment. Some won't make the grade...they will be among the first casualties of sheep think and media brainwashing. Getting their brain wrapped around the fact that law as they knew it no longer exists will blow a few fuses resulting in the complete inabilty to function rationally...easier to just do nothing.There is no plan B because they laughed when others were discussing plan A. Someone has to call the shots...a lot of us here at GIM are Alpha types already,so our survival rates will be quite high vs the general population. But even so....it is hard to function rationally when the bullets are flying and you are depending on someone to watch your back that has completely spazzed out and lost it. I have seen the biggest hoo-hah macho types turn into fruit cakes under pressure,losing all perception of reality because their brain quite simply had never faced immenent death before...the wake up call came and they shut down like pulling the plug on a toaster. Unfortunately next time it might be your wife,son,daughter,father or mother who has to watch your back. If it gets that bad there will be those who go berserk and get lot's of people killed...maybe yourself trying to save them. There are no good scenarios.....all of them are bad.
Attachment 22196 Nah...the single mothers all watched Jodie Foster prevail in her Panic Room movie so we don't need to worry RiverRat. Y2K taught us that Be Prepared boy scouts are to be ridiculed. :wavey: Make sure you have StateFarm Insurance...Homeland Security has everything else under control!

Worldmariner | 12-26-2006 10:55 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverRat (Post 455352) :D Unfortunately.....this subject could have a dozen different answers. Looking at it from a personal viewpoint is not the same as the view from the top. From the top I would have to say no fuel and a complete breakdown of the US monetary system per se. Even if we didn't get nuked or martial law was declared those two could slam the entire US down to a screeching halt with disasterous implications. Total chaos beyond the control of present law enforcement and the military. Quite simply...the citizens outgun all authority and the law of the jungle becomes the only law in town. On a personal level I would have to say my biggest fear would be the possibility of total mental breakdown of family members who still retain faith in the Empire and have no mental capacity for coping with total meltdown. There are no good scenarios.....all of them are bad.
This thread really gave me a lot to ponder... Just one thing after another kept popping into my head. When I read you post I occurred to me that you had voiced almost to the word what I had intended to write. As you said... There are no good scenarios... all of them are bad.

Balancing Act | 12-26-2006 11:01 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Quote:
Originally Posted by Infidel (Post 455171) The BROWN people.
Also known as a herd of buffalos

J.D.Rockinfeller | 12-26-2006 11:54 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? This is a very intelligent thread. Thanks to all for their participation:thumbs up In retrospect ...i would have to say having to make the choice to either: A. Go out in a "blaze of glory". (which would leave young children fatherless in a crisis.) OR B. Surrendering to buy a lil more time for the above. I have no problem taking action......but it seems the dire consequences left for others is......

WAoG | 12-27-2006 12:01 AM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Running out of Ammo:love:

Horn | 12-27-2006 12:07 AM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Quote:
Originally Posted by J.D.Rockinfeller (Post 455601) This is a very intelligent thread. Thanks to all for their participation:thumbs up In retrospect ...i would have to say having to make the choice to either: A. Go out in a "blaze of glory". (which would leave young children fatherless in a crisis.) OR B. Surrendering to buy a lil more time for the above. I have no problem taking action......but it seems the dire consequences left for others is......
Whatever way it goes J.D. you know there is contingency in place. My guess is that they will short SHTF/Revolution the same way they short the market. A long emergency followed by ear tags and branding of the factions. The city dwellers giving up everything, the hicks drowning in Independence, the burbs a hell caught in the midst.

WAoG | 12-27-2006 12:24 AM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Quote:
Originally Posted by J.D.Rockinfeller (Post 455601) This is a very intelligent thread. Thanks to all for their participation:thumbs up In retrospect ...i would have to say having to make the choice to either: A. Go out in a "blaze of glory". (which would leave young children fatherless in a crisis.) OR B. Surrendering to buy a lil more time for the above. I have no problem taking action......but it seems the dire consequences left for others is......
If you believe in God and are Obeying Him Why would you think you are going to Die? Malachi 4:4 Remember ye and return to The Law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the Statutes and Judgments. He will fight for you and you cannot lose. 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in The Day that I shall do [this], saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts. You act, He acts for you if you are Obeying Him! 3:16 Then they that feared the "I AM" spoke often one to another: and the "I AM" hearkened, and heard [it], and a Book of Remembrance was written before Him for them that feared the "I AM", and that thought upon His name. 3:17 And they shall be Mine, saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up My special treasure; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. I would not fear acting. I would be worried if I did not act.

Lore | 12-27-2006 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by WAoG (Post 455607) Running out of Ammo:love:
Here in Canada, there is no shortage of rubber bands and spitballs...:frown:

electric-amish | 12-27-2006 12:56 AM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? My biggest fear would be a big bio incident. Dead bodies laying around and the nastiness of it. I don't think that will happen but it would be exceptionally Terrible to have to move a decomposing corps that breaks apart. Smelling dead stuff already makes me wretch. Mentally this would tax Superman. E-A

WAoG | 12-27-2006 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by J.D.Rockinfeller (Post 455197) Not happening.
I received a puppy back because of a contract. I had to fight like crazy to enforce the contract but anyway the bitch chipped my puppy. The breed club will no longer take your ads for placing puppies with out the parents being chipped. I'm blessed as I do not need them to place puppies. We have an article coming out in a national magazine about our breed. Our kennel, our puppy and dogs will be the only ones in the article. Plus I know how to advertise. The last litter three puppies went to repeat buyers. Well anyway I'm about ready to call the breed club and tell them I do not want the mark of the beast in my dogs and you had better run my ad or you will be dealing with my lawyer. He is a big time Christian and I'm sure he would just love this one. Of course I had better pay him for helping us get the new puppy first :-) Well anyway back on topic. Not having the food to feed all these great dogs in a SHTF situation has worried me. I love them all and normally have lots of food on hand but having this many and if caught short it could be a big problem.

WAoG | 12-27-2006 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Lore (Post 455629) Here in Canada, there is no shortage of rubber bands and spitballs...:frown:
I would buy a place in Canada just for the snow and fishing but I cannot imagine going around without a gun. Then the assholes at the border. Would they let me in to go skiing or fishing after I spent he bucks buying the place. We are not getting the snow needed for one of my favorite things anymore cross country skiing. Anyone want to buy a cross country skiing resort with no snow? Send me a PM :>) But would moving there work? I was on the phone last week with a puppy person in Canada she was complaining about the puppy bringing mud in the mansion. She is stinking rich. I asked how come it is not frozen. She states it unbelievably warm for this time of year. So I could buy the place. Not be allowed to pack a gun and may not be let in and even if I get in there maybe no snow. So I will not buy a camp in Canada. I'm sure they would let the dogs in. Me, maybe not the way the acted last time I went over.

mordechai | 01-04-2007 06:28 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Nuke war, no doubt. Everything else is bad. But a nuke war and virtually the whole world is dead, one way or another.

momopanda | 01-04-2007 07:07 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? Biggest fears. 1. Not being able to protect my kids. 2. Running out of food (I'm starting to work on these) 3. Being prepared for me and my kids , but then having to watch other relatives suffer or worse. Family is just way too big for me to to realistically prepare to take care of them all should TSHTF .

mispillion | 01-04-2007 07:38 PM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? yep on your #3. i tell the wifu that when all goes to hell we must be isolated as it is impossible to provide for others over the long term and watching others suffer and die miserably would not be a pleasant option. lotsa space between ourselves and (what is left of) civilization. when financial collapse does occur, i see the most plausible senario being goods only for major urban centers. i think the country will be abandon to a large extent. no gas, no food, no control. i believe that for 2 people, it would only cost about 5k for 5 years of basic food (DON'T FORGET VITAMINS!) and pellets.

J.D.Rockinfeller | 01-04-2007 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AuAgHorn (Post 455612) Whatever way it goes J.D. you know there is contingency in place. My guess is that they will short SHTF/Revolution the same way they short the market. A long emergency followed by ear tags and branding of the factions. The city dwellers giving up everything, the hicks drowning in Independence, the burbs a hell caught in the midst.
I think your right AAH.....:thumpdown

Ghost Recon | 01-05-2007 01:00 AM
Re: Whats your biggest WSHTF fear? The closest major city is 25 miles away, so I'm pretty relaxed these days. I used to work nights in the downtown area of that city. Security guards are unarmed and make $7.50/hr. Badge swipes fail open in a power outage. Lots of plate glass on the first floor. Would be easy to throw a park bench through the window or door. But my biggest fear was not from an explosion or bio-chem incident. But from the resulting grid lock and chaos. So my biggest concern was being caught up in a riot situation. I quit that job a few years ago and have no plans to go back to that city any time soon. Whatever the terrorists throw at us will probably have little impact on me, directly. I'm glad I didn't spend money on a fallout shelter because I'm presently trying to sell my house. People buying into this area have no use for a fallout shelter. It would have been money down the drain. But I might install something in my next home..... At the moment my biggest concern is the new congress and gun controll....

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