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Avalon | 09-27-2009 12:22 PM
sleeping bags any suggestions.? Something on sale :bear_tongue: I went to Dicks to look and got confused. do they really match the temperatures they have listed. Some looked way to flimsy to be for cold weather. Ill need a warm one and it doesn't have to be superlight. Im going to use it inside the hennessy hammock but not for back packing.. The mummy sleep bags looked like a tomb. I gather they are not for the claustrophobic.. Also for anyone who has used the hennessy in colder weather what type of padding or ground cloth do I need.. BTW, I found the hennessys on ebay complete with the snakes ands free shipping for $119.00 I think that's as good as it gets..

Silver Belle | 09-27-2009 01:23 PM
Re: sleeping bags Sounds like you are getting a great deal on the hammock, Avalon. You'll love it! Two sections of an answer here...one on sleeping bags and one on staying warm in your HH. But before I get to that...a word of advice. If at all possible, don't rely on the guys at Dick's for advice on camping gear. They're nice enough, but they typically don't know much. If you have an REI or a local outfitter close to you, that would be your best bet for getting good and correct advice. First...on sleeping bags. For tent camping, I think they are typically rated pretty accurately. If you are doing cold weather camping, particularly, make sure to layer in natural fabrics, wear a hat, socks and mittens and you'll probably be snug as a bug in a rug. (Not a phrase I get to use every day!) My cold weather bag is a mummy rated down to -15F. I've not camped in -15F temps, but so far...so good. The coldest I have been down to with that bag is about +15 to +20F with no problems. I'm a bit claustrophobic in confined things like that, but the tradeoff of the warmth won out. Also, look for a women's bag, if possible. (Probably won't find it at Dick's or Walmart -- again, a good outfitter is your best bet.) They are cut to accommodate our curves and just a better fit all around. This is the first women's cut bag that I have ever had and after camping with it for the past year and a half I will never go back. There is a real difference -- at least in my opinion. Second...on the HH. The biggest question is...how cold is the coldest night time temp you expect to encounter while camping? Are you thinking of the HH for cold weather camping? Or for milder and summer temps only? I have had mine for a couple of seasons now and have tried various configurations to try to retain body heat in my HH as the weather gets colder. So far, I'm good down to only about 40F -- but still working on it. You won't need a ground cover with the HH since it is not on the ground, but you will need something between your bag and the cold air to insulate you and to keep you warm. I have tried both in-hammock and outside of hammock strategies and -- for me, anyway -- so far my best results have been with adding a layer of insulation on the bottom of the hammock on the outside. (In a pinch, your emergency blanket lashed to the outside of the hammock will work and you'll actually stay pretty warm.) I have tried a thermacore pad inside the hammock but because of the asymmetrical way it is designed it has not worked well for me. I have tried the emergency blanket inside the hammock, but there was too much condensation. The guy at my local outfitter said that there is a Canadian company (can't remember the name, but I will be asking him the next time I'm in the store, as cold weather will be here before we know it) that has designed a thermacore type pad specifically for a hammock. As soon as I have that info for you, I will be happy to PM you and share. So...for now, I only use my HH through the fall. I'm still thinking there has to be a better way that does not involve spending another $100+ to stay warm. When I invent it, I'll market it and be rich. Once you experience camping in a well-designed hammock, you'll dread the air mattress and sleeping on the ground. That's why I'm bound and determined to find a better way to stay warm. When that happens, I'll let you know. Enjoy!

BellevueBully | 09-27-2009 01:51 PM
Re: sleeping bags I haven't seen a bona fide "4 season" prospector type sleeping bag for a while. I have an oldy from the 40's with wool liner, down filled, canvas shell. Heavy but warm. And you can actually turn around in it. I would suggest looking for something like that if you can garage sale/merchandise board.

BellevueBully | 09-27-2009 01:54 PM
Re: sleeping bags Took-a-look http://www.customwoolenmills.com/country_yarn/index.htm Not what I mentioned above, but wool rules.

mnfarmer | 09-27-2009 02:24 PM
Re: sleeping bags Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1942652) complete with the snakes I think that's as good as it gets..
SNAKES? You want snakes with your hammock? (couldn't resist):signs14: Actually, I had not seen those before... they look wonderful!

Mantokir | 09-27-2009 04:59 PM
Re: sleeping bags Quote:
Originally Posted by mnfarmer (Post 1942828) SNAKES? You want snakes with your hammock? (couldn't resist):signs14: Actually, I had not seen those before... they look wonderful!
I have to agree, my interest has been piqued....

BellevueBully | 09-27-2009 05:27 PM
Re: sleeping bags I've owned several 'mountaineering' bags, north face et al, and I don't like how resricting they are. Of course, they are designed for portability, but if that is not an issue go with a nice big comfy bag. I also find they never meet up to thier temp rating expectations.

hoarder | 09-27-2009 05:40 PM
Re: sleeping bags I used to do a lot of truck camping, about 10 weeks a year. The problem I encountered is that you can't find sleeping bags with a cotton shell and cotton liner anymore, now they are all polyester lined with Slick outer covering like nylon but some other material, real cold against your face. I have looked everywhere.

Tallships | 09-27-2009 05:44 PM
Re: sleeping bags I've been looking for a one man-two women sleeping bag for a while, but the clerks just give a jealous smirk every time I ask where they keep them.

Maddie | 09-27-2009 06:26 PM
Re: sleeping bags I've never found the temperature ratings to be accurate for me, but everyone is different, and I tend to get cold when I sleep. When I truck camp in the winter, I often just stick a 30-degree REI sleeping bag inside a 15-degree rated North Face sleeping bag, and it's perfect for me. Of course, I also sleep on top of a down mattress (meant for a regular bed) when I truck camp! I suspect most people would roast, but I find it just right. Lol! And no, I don't live in Alaska...

I am me, I am free | 09-27-2009 06:27 PM
Re: sleeping bags The only sleeping bags for the survival minded. Machine washable after every use. http://wiggys.com/category.cfm?category=6 I can't believe no one has mentioned Wiggys bags on this thread yet.

Avalon | 09-27-2009 06:31 PM
Re: sleeping bags Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Belle (Post 1942746) Sounds like you are getting a great deal on the hammock, Avalon. You'll love it! Two sections of an answer here...one on sleeping bags and one on staying warm in your HH. But before I get to that...a word of advice. If at all possible, don't rely on the guys at Dick's for advice on camping gear. They're nice enough, but they typically don't know much. If you have an REI or a local outfitter close to you, that would be your best bet for getting good and correct advice. First...on sleeping bags. For tent camping, I think they are typically rated pretty accurately. If you are doing cold weather camping, particularly, make sure to layer in natural fabrics, wear a hat, socks and mittens and you'll probably be snug as a bug in a rug. (Not a phrase I get to use every day!) My cold weather bag is a mummy rated down to -15F. I've not camped in -15F temps, but so far...so good. The coldest I have been down to with that bag is about +15 to +20F with no problems. I'm a bit claustrophobic in confined things like that, but the trade off of the warmth won out. Also, look for a women's bag, if possible. (Probably won't find it at Dick's or Wal-Mart -- again, a good outfitter is your best bet.) They are cut to accommodate our curves and just a better fit all around. This is the first women's cut bag that I have ever had and after camping with it for the past year and a half I will never go back. There is a real difference -- at least in my opinion. Second...on the HH. The biggest question is...how cold is the coldest night time temp you expect to encounter while camping? Are you thinking of the HH for cold weather camping? Or for milder and summer temps only? I have had mine for a couple of seasons now and have tried various configurations to try to retain body heat in my HH as the weather gets colder. So far, I'm good down to only about 40F -- but still working on it. You won't need a ground cover with the HH since it is not on the ground, but you will need something between your bag and the cold air to insulate you and to keep you warm. I have tried both in-hammock and outside of hammock strategies and -- for me, anyway -- so far my best results have been with adding a layer of insulation on the bottom of the hammock on the outside. (In a pinch, your emergency blanket lashed to the outside of the hammock will work and you'll actually stay pretty warm.) I have tried a thermacore pad inside the hammock but because of the asymmetrical way it is designed it has not worked well for me. I have tried the emergency blanket inside the hammock, but there was too much condensation. The guy at my local outfitter said that there is a Canadian company (can't remember the name, but I will be asking him the next time I'm in the store, as cold weather will be here before we know it) that has designed a thermacore type pad specifically for a hammock. As soon as I have that info for you, I will be happy to PM you and share. So...for now, I only use my HH through the fall. I'm still thinking there has to be a better way that does not involve spending another $100+ to stay warm. When I invent it, I'll market it and be rich. Once you experience camping in a well-designed hammock, you'll dread the air mattress and sleeping on the ground. That's why I'm bound and determined to find a better way to stay warm. When that happens, I'll let you know. Enjoy!
wow!!! thanks! Lots of good info.. I dont see myself outside below 40 degrees but you never know... anything is possible.

Avalon | 09-27-2009 06:37 PM
Re: sleeping bags from what you guys are posting I think I will go with two sleeping bags.. I am very partial to down maybe down and wool inside another bag that is water repellent with a cloth underneath the hammock.. Some of those bags posted looked great but the price!!!!! I as thinking about spending Les then 50 dollars..:rofl:

Ghost Recon | 09-27-2009 06:46 PM
Re: sleeping bags Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1943174) The only sleeping bags for the survival minded. Machine washable after every use. http://wiggys.com/category.cfm?category=6 I can't believe no one has mentioned Wiggys bags on this thread yet.
Yep...I bought the Ultima Thule, good down to -20. From what I've read, Wiggy's are among the best. I like the way they can be compacted for years and still maintain they're loft.

I am me, I am free | 09-27-2009 06:50 PM
Re: sleeping bags Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Recon (Post 1943204) Yep...I bought the Ultima Thule, good down to -20. From what I've read, Wiggy's are among the best. I like the way they can be compacted for years and still maintain they're loft.
I also got the Ultima Thule. Love it. And yeah they're pricey, but the right bag could mean the difference between life or death in extreme circumstances.

Avalon | 09-27-2009 07:20 PM
Re: sleeping bags what about this inside of another bag that is water repellent.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Slumberjack-Meri...3286.m20.l1116

____hoot____ | 09-27-2009 11:05 PM
Re: sleeping bags US Army made a bag for evacuateing wounded in cold weather. A big cotton shelled down mummy, have some buds in the U.P. that swear by them.

Avalon | 09-28-2009 08:10 AM
Re: sleeping bags Quote:
Originally Posted by ____hoot____ (Post 1943583) US Army made a bag for evacuating wounded in cold weather. A big cotton shelled down mummy, have some buds in the U.P. that swear by them.
I actually found some.

Avalon | 09-28-2009 08:17 AM
Re: sleeping bags what about sleeping bag liners. I was reading the austrian boards and they all seem to use silk... What about silk , versus wool liners.

____hoot____ | 09-28-2009 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1943958) what about sleeping bag liners. I was reading the austrian boards and they all seem to use silk... What about silk , versus wool liners.
Silk is the best damned insulator made, ounce for ounce. I'm always raiding the womens underwear section of thrift stores looking for cheap silk longees. How much were those evac bags you found? Last I saw were new surplus and about $140. For a budget under $50 I would get a US Army WWII era mountain bag. Cotton oversized mummy shell, duck down and feather fill. Spent a lot of Alaskan nights in one, in my younger days. Evac bags are about 10-12 pounds, Mountain bags about 5-6

Avalon | 09-28-2009 09:01 AM
Re: sleeping bags hoot, Im going to make one.. Its easy as can be.. Ill check the prices on silk at the fabric shop today and let you know.. Im trying to be smart here. Right now I am just camping. Chances are good it will turn into back packing in the next year. If I need to spend more for a bag that would work for both I will.. The silk liner could be a big help. If I make my own I could make it double thick..Also I am a very restless sleeper. I get up a lot at night.. I toss and turn and my little pomeranian will be in the bag with me. I think i would go nuts with the restriction of some of those mummy bags.. Ill post the directions for the silk liner and let you know the total cost..

Avalon | 09-28-2009 09:01 AM
Re: sleeping bags 2 Attachment(s) Homemade Silk Liner Making a silk sleeping bag liner is a pretty straight forward project. Start by going to your local fabric store to buy some silk fabric. I found some at JoAnn Etc. There was a section with "Silk Solids" for about $2.99 per yard - 72" width. If you're a small to medium size person you can probably get by using a folded 72" width section of silk, otherwise you'll have to buy twice as much silk. Buy about 2 and 1/4 yards of silk, or more if you're taller. This should cost you about $7 to $8. Once you have bought the silk, fold it in half. With a chalk pencil or just a pen, mark out the desired shape and then pin it up for sewing. Using the sharpest cissors you can find, cut out your pattern. Then using some polyester thread (if available) sew two or three stitches into the edge of the cut. You should now have a nice silk bag. Turn the bag inside out to hide the stitch. Then if you want, sew back the top of the bag so the material doesn't unravel. The silk liner that I made for myself weighs about 4 oz. which is far less than the typical 6-7 oz. store bought silk sleeping bag liner and at a fraction of the cost! Plus, you can't beat the fact that I found some bright green silk! ;)

Avalon | 09-28-2009 09:07 AM
Re: sleeping bags belle, doesn't henessy make a pad specifically to fit the hammock? Have you tried it?

NotTheOne | 09-28-2009 03:26 PM
Re: sleeping bags Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallships (Post 1943088) I've been looking for a one man-two women sleeping bag for a while, but the clerks just give a jealous smirk every time I ask where they keep them.
Some sleeping bags are made to be combined. Look around. Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 1943080) I used to do a lot of truck camping, about 10 weeks a year. The problem I encountered is that you can't find sleeping bags with a cotton shell and cotton liner anymore, now they are all polyester lined with Slick outer covering like nylon but some other material, real cold against your face. I have looked everywhere.
Try this company. I have this one. Good to -10 F. http://www.wenzelco.com/details.aspx?navID=332 Outer: Poly/cotton blend Liner: Cotton flannel

Dave Thomas | 09-28-2009 04:11 PM
Re: sleeping bags SlumberJack makes one with a cotton shell, and a cotton inner liner. http://www.slumberjack.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=39

Jimfrancisco | 09-28-2009 04:24 PM
Re: sleeping bags Best sleeping bag I ever had was ex German army, the one with the arms on it, and you could unzip the bottom half to make it into a parka. It's always cold when you wake up in the morning, so why not keep wearing the top half of your sleeping bag, and still be able to walk about until the fire is well lit and you have a coffee in you? It wasn't the lightest, and it wasn't the warmest compared to some of these - but I would swap my fancy sleeping bag for one in a second, if I could find one.

Ironhorse | 09-28-2009 08:56 PM
Re: sleeping bags I bought my first real cold weather backpacking sleeping bag back in 1990 from this outfit: http://www.featheredfriends.com/Pica...epingBags.html Glad to see they are still in buisness! Their sleeping bags are light, warm and expensive! I was always backpacking in sept/oct timeframe in the rockies and I wanted something very light and very warm. The bag that I got was called the Tern II and it was rated to -20 F. It has 700 fill down with a Goretex shell. They stopped offering Goretex shells quite a while back, not sure why though. With down though, you want something that will not get wet, because the down looses insulating ability (no loft). The coldest I have been out in it was -11 F in Yellowstone one morning and I was warm as could be. My biggest problem was mustering the ambition to get out of it that morning. I still have that sleeping bag and use it, but a lot less now. If it is freezing or higher temps, I cannot sleep in it at all because it is too hot. This is definately not for everybody due to the price, but for me at the time, weight to warmth was my biggest concern and I saved up for the best that I could find in the range I wanted.

gasilat | 09-29-2009 12:47 AM
Re: sleeping bags get a Western Mountaineering or Feathered Friends sleeping bag...and you will be pleased. my personal favorite sleeping bag is a Western Mountaineering Ultralite weighing 2 pounds(the long model) rated at 20 F and compacts to about a football size... http://www.backcountrygear.com/catal...ail.cfm/WE2199 i find it to be an excellent all around bag and have spent many nights in it and whole-heartedly and unabashedly recommend it... ain't cheep though... <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="84%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top align=left><TD width="50%" height=56><TABLE height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top align=left><TD width="70%" bgColor=#ced0ac height=56>"Ultralite" </TD><TD></TD><TD vAlign=top align=left width=86 height=56>http://www.backcountrygear.com/images/westernlogo.jpg</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD align=middle width="40%" rowSpan=2>http://www.backcountrygear.com/image...nUltralite.jpg </TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=96 rowSpan=2>http://www.backcountrygear.com/graphics/slbg_det_20.gif</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top align=left><TD width="50%" height=244> A solid 3 season bag without the weight. The Ultralite is a specialty bag that is ideal for those trips where space is at a premium, kayaking, cycling or fast peak bagging. Western has utilized it'sExtremeLite fabric to reduce the weight. Western's Ultralite bags are meant to be used by experienced people who are skilled in the care of their equipment. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Osprey550 | 09-29-2009 07:36 AM
Re: sleeping bags Avalon, Check out Campmor. They carry numerous brands and usually have "last year" models at a decent discount. Their "hot buys" and internet specials are usually pretty good deals. http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Home

NotTheOne | 09-29-2009 09:03 AM
Re: sleeping bags Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallships (Post 1943088) I've been looking for a one man-two women sleeping bag for a while, but the clerks just give a jealous smirk every time I ask where they keep them.
2 person bags http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___43146 http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___87570 http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___80607 Also as I mentioned in an earlier post, some bags can be combined to make a double. These are usually rectangular, not mummy. You may have to ask a knowledgeable salesperson at the store to find this out.

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BullionCubed | 09-29-2009 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BellevueBully (Post 1942790) Took-a-look http://www.customwoolenmills.com/country_yarn/index.htm Not what I mentioned above, but wool rules.
i was all exited to see a wool sleeping bag only to find out it has a polyester shell. :confused_m:

BullionCubed | 09-29-2009 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1943174) The only sleeping bags for the survival minded. Machine washable after every use. http://wiggys.com/category.cfm?category=6 I can't believe no one has mentioned Wiggys bags on this thread yet.
X2 i just stumbled upon wiggy's a few days ago. looks like the best you can get. they claim to have the warmest parka too.

gasilat | 09-29-2009 05:24 PM
Re: sleeping bags gasilat's sleeping bag ramblings... One sleeping bag won't do everything...when purchasing one bag its important you look for one that is fit for a specific purpose, or reach for one that is all-around-use. One common mistake made is newbies will go out and buy a bag that is rated much colder than they will ever actually use it for thinking it gives them more range. Do you think you will go camping at -20F ? Most people would not, i wouldn't but if i did i would take two bags rated at a higher temperature and combine them. They will actually camp at 20-50F and complain on end about how heavy the -20F bag is and how much precious space it took up in the backpack and how damn hot it was even though they slept all night with it unzipped. In my humble opinion a winter bag is a specialty bag and not an all-around good choice. If you are only going to have only one sleeping bag, a better option would be to buy a very good quality 3 season sleeping bag rated at 20 to 30 F. As mentioned already most manufacturers rate their bags a little higher than reality, but not all. Also people have the characteristic to be a cold sleeper or a warm sleeper. If you are a cold sleeper get a bag rated for a little colder weather. I would say I'm more of a cold sleeper type so I typically pull my patagonia long underwear out of my pack and sleep in them or stay fully dreseed and don my raingear and a fleece hat on the noggin if i'm bumping past the rating of the sleeping bag i'm carrying. In the backpacking world its important to use equipment for multiple purposes and your clothing will help you get a little more range out of your sleeping bag. A lot of heat can be pulled away at the bottom of the bag against cold ground. I prefer an ultralite 3/4 thermarest mattress (~1 pound of weight) to insulate from the ground and provide a tad bit of comfort. It is the one creature comfort i allow myself even though i am adding a full pound of weight to my pack. In my smallest, lightest pack i have a 10 oz. bozeman sleeping pad that just protects the torso and I throw my raingear under the bag for my legs for insulation at night. I prefer a down bag over a synthetic because of the excellent weight to warmth characteristic and a mummy bag for its better insulating qualities as it fits your body and does not have needless dead air space to heat up and it has excellent compressibility with less material weight resulting in taking up only a very reasonable space in your pack. When you shop for a bag look at its overall weight for carrying in your pack, how small it will compress to minimize wasting space in your pack for other items, the temperature rating of the bag and is it fit for purpose for your intended use and ambient temperature conditions. And remember, you usually get what you pay for.

Silver Belle | 10-09-2009 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1944007) belle, doesn't henessy make a pad specifically to fit the hammock? Have you tried it?
They do, but I've not yet tried it. I have had a few friends who have done so, but weren't too crazy about it. Then, again, they are bigger guys and maybe that was part of the problem. Being only 5' 2", I suppose I'd have an advantage. Since you started your thread about hammocks and sleeping bags, I have been doing some more active research on how to stay warm as I move into fall and winter camping. I'd love to still be able camp in my hammock year round, if possible. I found a great site comparing all sorts of different arrangements. http://www.tothewoods.net/HammockCampingWarm.html I'm still leaning toward an external insulator rather than a pad...less chance of it slipping out of place in the night. I'll keep you posted! sb

Twisted Avatar | 10-09-2009 05:10 AM
Re: sleeping bags What about Good ole Gubbermint issue??? Anybody have one of these??? As I am debating about pulling the trigger on it. http://www.majorsurplus.com/US-Extre...ag-P14013.aspx

Jimfrancisco | 10-09-2009 02:44 PM
Re: sleeping bags "Almost new" - hope it's dry cleanable. You just KNOW some squaddie has knocked one out in it... :puke:

Maxine | 10-09-2009 03:02 PM
Re: sleeping bags Quote:
Originally Posted by I am me, I am free (Post 1943174) The only sleeping bags for the survival minded. Machine washable after every use. http://wiggys.com/category.cfm?category=6 I can't believe no one has mentioned Wiggys bags on this thread yet.
Me too! I have two 'Hunters'. I have been using one for nearly a year. Zipped up when it is cold, as an unzipped cover, as needed, when not so cold. Though I do not appreciate the 'bed twist' on the liner in it, when zipped up. They say that liner in it is loose on purpose, to mold to you and keep you warm. It does. Furiously warm. Sweltering warm. The bag has a HUGE cat vote, in this house, as the warmest place to be, on or in the bag. I put the other one on the spare bed the other day, to stop them fighting me for room on mine, as I now I have zipped it up for fall again. VERY washable. Very moisture proof.

Metalsmith | 10-09-2009 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1963192) What about Good ole Gubbermint issue??? Anybody have one of these??? As I am debating about pulling the trigger on it. http://www.majorsurplus.com/US-Extre...ag-P14013.aspx
I have one just like the one pictured. You will not get cold in that bag. Good to -40 F. Good price too. Ms

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