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AOW | 05-15-2009 03:37 PM
Gasoline Storage I'm getting a new-ish 55 gallon steel drum that had oil in it for roofing and I'm getting it for free. I've been thinking I would store gas in it but now I don't know if it'll be worth all the hassle. I can store it undercover about 30 feet from my house and I'm not sure if that is sufficient space. I also wonder about the pump/filter, the venting of vapors, and the stabilizer. Is it just better to have a couple 5 gallon cans that I replenish as I use the fuel for the lawnmower and such? At least I'd have enough on hand to fill the car once.

CrufflerJJ | 05-15-2009 09:38 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by AOW (Post 1724365) I'm getting a new-ish 55 gallon steel drum that had oil in it for roofing and I'm getting it for free. I've been thinking I would store gas in it but now I don't know if it'll be worth all the hassle. I can store it undercover about 30 feet from my house and I'm not sure if that is sufficient space. I also wonder about the pump/filter, the venting of vapors, and the stabilizer. Is it just better to have a couple 5 gallon cans that I replenish as I use the fuel for the lawnmower and such? At least I'd have enough on hand to fill the car once.
"Hassle"?? Well, I guess it depends on how badly you would like to store the 55 gal of gasoline. If you really want to store that much gas (not a bad idea at all, by the way), a drum is one way to store it in one big honkin' container. Rather than a pump, you might consider getting a "super siphon", which is basically a 6 foot plastic hose with a (one way) check valve at one end. You can drain a 5 gal jerry can VERY quickly with one of these, so it should also work with the drum. If you use the super siphon, no vapor venting is needed (you WILL be storing the drum outside in a shed or something like that, won't you????). Unscrew a bung, drop in the siphon, remove whatever gas you need, reseal the drum. As to stabilizer, if you use PRI-G (generally said to be better than Stabil), you can add it once a year. No fuss, no muss. I've used 2 year old PRI-G treated gas in cars, mowers, and my generator with no problems at all. Now that our benevolent government has outlawed the sale of surplus jerry cans (without any sort of spillproof valve attached), a steel drum might be a decent alternative.

TechGuy | 05-15-2009 09:47 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1724830) "Hassle"?? Well, I guess it depends on how badly you would like to store the 55 gal of gasoline. If you really want to store that much gas (not a bad idea at all, by the way), a drum is one way to store it in one big honkin' container. Rather than a pump, you might consider getting a "super siphon", which is basically a 6 foot plastic hose with a (one way) check valve at one end. You can drain a 5 gal jerry can VERY quickly with one of these, so it should also work with the drum. If you use the super siphon, no vapor venting is needed (you WILL be storing the drum outside in a shed or something like that, won't you????). Unscrew a bung, drop in the siphon, remove whatever gas you need, reseal the drum. As to stabilizer, if you use PRI-G (generally said to be better than Stabil), you can add it once a year. No fuss, no muss. I've used 2 year old PRI-G treated gas in cars, mowers, and my generator with no problems at all. Now that our benevolent government has outlawed the sale of surplus jerry cans (without any sort of spillproof valve attached), a steel drum might be a decent alternative.
Diesel is much easier to store if that can be an option for you, much more temperature stable, stores better, and is not explosive. Temperature stability is the key when storing gas. a If storing gas in a 55 gallon drum, a pressure vent may be good investment http://www.itoolcrib.com/itoolcrib/p...=270&Prod=1939

Fatboy | 05-16-2009 10:12 AM
Re: Gasoline Storage [QUOTE=CrufflerJJ;1724830] As to stabilizer, if you use PRI-G (generally said to be better than Stabil), you can add it once a year. No fuss, no muss. I've used 2 year old PRI-G treated gas in cars, mowers, and my generator with no problems at all. QUOTE] As part of a looooong term experiment, I am still using gas that was stored in a 55 gal steel drum in 1999. I add a couple of caps full of the PRI G to the gas can when I take a gallon out of the drum, before I put it into the equipment. It runs in my chain saw or splitter just fine. Not quite convinced that I would want to put it into a multi-thousand dollar engine though! Those vents for the drums look like a good investment. I just crack the seal of the drum a few times a year as the temperature changes. Without being cognisant of this, the drum may rupture, either explode or compress in on it's self due to the pressure differential.

CrufflerJJ | 05-16-2009 07:43 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboy (Post 1725337) As part of a looooong term experiment, I am still using gas that was stored in a 55 gal steel drum in 1999. I add a couple of caps full of the PRI G to the gas can when I take a gallon out of the drum, before I put it into the equipment. It runs in my chain saw or splitter just fine. Not quite convinced that I would want to put it into a multi-thousand dollar engine though! Those vents for the drums look like a good investment. I just crack the seal of the drum a few times a year as the temperature changes. Without being cognisant of this, the drum may rupture, either explode or compress in on it's self due to the pressure differential.
10 year old gasoline! Glad to hear that it's still useful in your home small engines. I've never played around with drums of gasoline at home (& probably don't really want to, due to the weight of the drum). I store about 45 gal of gasoline in steel jerrycans in an outdoor shed. While the walls of the jerrycan bulge a bit at high temperatures, I've never seen any sort of rupture or collapsed container from high or low temperatures. I wonder if gasoline drum vents are really necessary if you're keeping the drum fairly full of liquid & are not trying to store it at 120 �F. The highest temp we normally see here in SW Ohio is ~100 �F in the summer. Arizona might be a different matter....

TechGuy | 05-16-2009 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CrufflerJJ (Post 1725854) 10 year old gasoline! Glad to hear that it's still useful in your home small engines. I've never played around with drums of gasoline at home (& probably don't really want to, due to the weight of the drum). I store about 45 gal of gasoline in steel jerrycans in an outdoor shed. While the walls of the jerrycan bulge a bit at high temperatures, I've never seen any sort of rupture or collapsed container from high or low temperatures. I wonder if gasoline drum vents are really necessary if you're keeping the drum fairly full of liquid & are not trying to store it at 120 �F. The highest temp we normally see here in SW Ohio is ~100 �F in the summer. Arizona might be a different matter....
The temperature swings are what gets you. Gas can contract and expand a lot depending on temp. So much so that some people are lobbying to get smarter pumps that will give you more gas in the summer since it expands so much and you get less BTU's per gallon.

ruprick | 05-16-2009 08:09 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage Very well sealed steel drums ....I mean good seals and tighten the bungs......you can store gasoline for a very long time with no issues.....I've store fuel like this for nearly 10 years and it is just as good as new......the key is to prevent the evaporation of the very light end hydrocarbons....and that means very well sealed...way better than the average gas can. You do not even need stabilizer. Use it if you like. If you can make it happen - try to buy Aviation Gasoline 100LL....from a small local airport....it will last the longest....much longer that automotive pump gasoline. Remember - this Aviation 100LL is leaded - it will ruin a vehicle with a catalytic convertor.....100LL has 2 grams (about 2 cc) of TEL lead (tetra-ethyl-lead spelling???).....this is more lead than most old school automotive leaded fuel. It works fine in everything but cars with cats... Aviation gasoline has a RVP (Reed Vapor Pressure) of 7.5 and it never changes by season......this is equivalent to automotive "summer" grade fuel......in the winter automotive gasoline boosts the RVP to 15 for better starting .....so Aviation gasoline will have a difficulty ....if not impossible starting in very cold weather for small gas engines without starters....even with starters.....hard time......Aviation = no problem in summer temps.......just keep a little fresh automotive winter gas to get equipment going in the winter. Diesel/Kerosene....you can store this way pretty much forever. I have a lot of first hand experience at fuels - this has been field tested by me first hand. Mose people have bad experience with old/stale/bad gasoline....because it is vented to atmosphere...and all the very volitile light ends evaporate out of the tank in about 8 - 12 months.... If you seal it tight it will last a very long time.

TechGuy | 05-16-2009 08:15 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1725887) Very well sealed steel drums ....I mean good seals and tighten the bungs......you can store gasoline for a very long time with no issues.....I've store fuel like this for nearly 10 years and it is just as good as new......the key is to prevent the evaporation of the very light end hydrocarbons....and that means very well sealed...way better than the average gas can. You do not even need stabilizer. Use it if you like. If you seal it tight it will last a very long time.
I think TN-Andy stores gas this way as well, but he has taken pains to create a temp stable storage location. I am curious how it is working out with the new ethanol blended fuels?

StrawMan=Corporation | 05-16-2009 08:23 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage Notice the drum in the truck, I use the 55 Gallon drums and the 150 gallon semi truck saddle tank to transport the fuel to my 600 gallon military tank. ETA: I pump the fuel with a dual diaphragm air powered pump, It moves 55 gallon drum in about 10 Min's. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...oweredPump.jpg Another way to move fuel although its not as fast as the dual diaphragm air powered pump is to use air and pipe fittings to force the fuel out of the drum, I use an air pressure regulator set to 2.5 - 3 PSI and a 3ft or so long pipe to get the fuel out of my drums. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...Disconnect.jpg http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...isconnect2.jpg In the case of pumping fuel where I dont have compressed air at hand I use the 12 VDC Electric Fuel Pump pictured below. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...icfuelpump.jpg If anyone is interested in a 600 gallon tank like this PM me I know of a few for sale on the west coast. http://goldismoney.info/forums/attac...1&d=1236575057

TechGuy | 05-16-2009 08:26 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by StrawMan=Corporation (Post 1725898) Notice the drum in the truck, I use the 55 Gallon drums and the 150 gallon semi truck saddle tank to transport the fuel to my 600 gallon military tank. If anyone is interested in a 600 gallon tank like this PM me I know of a few for sale on the west coast.
Very very nice.

ruprick | 05-16-2009 08:32 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by TechGuy (Post 1725895) I think TN-Andy stores gas this way as well, but he has taken pains to create a temp stable storage location. I am curious how it is working out with the new ethanol blended fuels?
Mine is in a Michigan Pole Barn.....very little temp control.....90F summer - -10F winter.....again - no issue if well sealed....that drum will get quire a pressure in the summer.....also, I fill the drum to within 1 inch of the top. Avoid the ethanol blends at all cost.....get 2 glass mason jars....one with known non-ethonol gasoline....keep it in there sealed tight.....when you go to buy gasoline read the pump....avoid ethanol.....still even if it says non-ethanol....put some gas in the 2 nd empty jar.....seal and shake the piss out of it as well as the standard.....lots of foam/bubbles = alcohol...... Again - for long term storage fuel...go with the Aviation gasoline.

TechGuy | 05-16-2009 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1725907) Mine is in a Michigan Pole Barn.....very little temp control.....90F summer - -10F winter.....again - no issue if well sealed....that drum will get quire a pressure in the summer.....also, I fill the drum to within 1 inch of the top. Avoid the ethanol blends at all cost.....get 2 glass mason jars....one with known non-ethonol gasoline....keep it in there sealed tight.....when you go to buy gasoline read the pump....avoid ethanol.....still even if it says non-ethanol....put some gas in the 2 nd empty jar.....seal and shake the piss out of it as well as the standard.....lots of foam/bubbles = alcohol...... Again - for long term storage fuel...go with the Aviation gasoline.
I ended up storing diesel only. Lots less hassle. It is almost impossible to find non-ethanol blended fuel in this part of Texas. I am now running diesel genset, and tractor. Hopefully soon an old diesel pickup.

ruprick | 05-16-2009 08:51 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by TechGuy (Post 1725914) I ended up storing diesel only. Lots less hassle. It is almost impossible to find non-ethanol blended fuel in this part of Texas. I am now running diesel genset, and tractor. Hopefully soon an old diesel pickup.
This is perfect.....go diesel when possible....but....what to do about all those little gasoline engines....I bet I have another half dozen I/C engines aside from my vehicles.... I'd study storing kero and then adding lubrication where needed for actual diesel applications....I like kero for lighting and small heating.... You just about need to store both....a few drums of gasoline in deep storage should do it....might need a chainsaw or a water pump or a brush cutting line trimmer, etc.....

Tn...Andy | 05-17-2009 01:12 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage 1 Attachment(s) Warning: Temperature swings and REALLY tight barrels can lead to this: Air fitting attached to "blow it" back out......

zoot | 05-17-2009 01:46 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage 1 Attachment(s) Can an above ground, gravity fed farm tank like this be used to store gasoline, maybe with additives, for a few years in warm climates? In some farm areas a local distributor will come out to fill these. ruprick, what think ye?

ruprick | 05-17-2009 02:17 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage I'd try to keep thast think under cover out of the sun. Inside a barn...probably no problem....try to keep it as full as possible. I do not like gravity feed unless you have a very robust shut off prior to the fuel hose. I try to fill mine in the winter to nearly full...then cap it tight. Andy.....I bet that tank was only partially filled....i do not think that could happen with a nearly full drum. When I drum it up....it is for deep storage and full. You can bend up a drum by not opening the vent when you are pumping the fuel out. I use an electric fuel pump....made by Fillrite....about a $250 pump setup. Keep them in the shade....this greatly reduced the temp swings.

Tn...Andy | 05-17-2009 04:36 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage Ruprick, Nope...it was as full as any I fill....which is to say, 55gal in a drum....which leaves a slight ( maybe 1-2 gallon ) headspace. The drum didn't leak, either ! And this was stored in a cool location ( back wall of a shed that is 1/2 underground ), with foam board and tarp covering the front. Only one I've EVER had this happen, by the way. Can't really figure WHY it did it.... This was sealed the way I do them.....I never use the 3/4" hole ( unless, like this, I needed to stick an air adapter pc in there ), and paint it over. I also paint over the 2" opening after I used a gasketed 2" plug to go in it. And you're absolutely correct you can cave a drum in pumping fuel.....I've done it winding out a hand type pump ! Zoot: I have a pair of tanks on stands like that....one for gasoline and one for diesel. The gasoline one, I try to use up within a year, since they are vented, you are losing the light end of the gasoline hydrocarbons to the vent section. The shed I keep these in is covered ( open front ) and also under trees to minimize heat. I wouldn't think plan on over a year for them. Also, make SURE your filter has a water drain on it, and DRAIN IT come fall. Vented tanks will develop condensation, and you need a way to drain it, and watch out for freezing weather if that is an issue where you live, or you can bust the filter. ALSO, install a ball type shutoff valve right out of the tank, and before the filter.

StrawMan=Corporation | 05-17-2009 05:15 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage You might want to check Government Liquidation for a truck called a CUCV another designation they call it is a M1008, M1028 and a few others. ETA: to clarify the CUCV is a 1980-1987 or there abouts Chevy and GMC 5/4 ton truck They also made a 3/4 Ton Blazer that had the designation M1009. http://www.govliquidation.com/vehicles.html Pickup trucks link http://www.govliquidation.com/auctio...ck&cmd=keyword Check out my M1008 and pics of my way of moving fuel at the pics I posted in previous post. Quote:
Originally Posted by TechGuy (Post 1725914) I ended up storing diesel only. Lots less hassle. It is almost impossible to find non-ethanol blended fuel in this part of Texas. I am now running diesel genset, and tractor. Hopefully soon an old diesel pickup.

zoot | 05-17-2009 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1726633) Ruprick, Zoot: I have a pair of tanks on stands like that....one for gasoline and one for diesel. The gasoline one, I try to use up within a year, since they are vented, you are losing the light end of the gasoline hydrocarbons to the vent section. The shed I keep these in is covered ( open front ) and also under trees to minimize heat. I wouldn't think plan on over a year for them. Also, make SURE your filter has a water drain on it, and DRAIN IT come fall. Vented tanks will develop condensation, and you need a way to drain it, and watch out for freezing weather if that is an issue where you live, or you can bust the filter. ALSO, install a ball type shutoff valve right out of the tank, and before the filter.
Thanks to you and ruprick for the reply. I'll consider the 55 gallon drum storage option with some additives and a cool place in the shade. I guess some sort of cheap manual pump would pull out the gas when/if I need it for generator and other purposes? To the OP, thanks for a useful thread.:ARMS1:

Fatboy | 05-18-2009 07:29 AM
Re: Gasoline Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1726462) Warning: Temperature swings and REALLY tight barrels can lead to this: Air fitting attached to "blow it" back out......
Andy, Thanks for the picture proof of what I said. One has to be careful when cracking the barrel, the pressure that develops can be impressive.

TechGuy | 05-18-2009 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by zoot (Post 1726785) Thanks to you and ruprick for the reply. I'll consider the 55 gallon drum storage option with some additives and a cool place in the shade. I guess some sort of cheap manual pump would pull out the gas when/if I need it for generator and other purposes? To the OP, thanks for a useful thread.:ARMS1:
This is the pump I use, very easy, and moves a suprising amount of fuel. It can do diesel or gas. Screws right into the 2 inch bung. It is also reversible. http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...70_31616_31616 http://www.northerntool.com/images/p.../109579_lg.gif

ruprick | 05-18-2009 08:49 AM
Re: Gasoline Storage For dispensing oil from drums.....I just made an adapter for one of the bungs that allows me to attach an air hose with a ball valve.....the other bung just has a simple standpipe and an exit nozzle .....when i want oil I just bleed a little air pressure into the drum.....and out comes the oil.... I've wondered about the safety in using this to dispense small quantities of fuel - for small gasoline equipment.......2 components of fire....fuel + oxidizer??? (missing ignintion). Mind you....it would only be a pressure of up to perhaps 30" water column.....call it 3' of water = about 1/10 of an atmosphere = 1.5PSI.....it is not much pressure....but still it is air over fuel. Might not be an issue with kero/diesel..... I have not done it yet......you could even use a small bicycle pump for the air......a low cost...easy to hook up and high degree of volume control.... I have a fuel cart on wheels that has a drum and my fillrite electric pump.....I use it to blend a fuel for an classic 1947 Cessna (Aviation 100LL + Automotive Premium) to give what would have been the same lead content as 80LL in the old days....0.5 g TEL/gal.....too much lead can lead to valve stem sticking.....but them old engines want some lead for lubricity of valve seats and stems...as well as anti-knock.... (100LL has 2 g TEL/gal....4X the target amount.....) ANYWAY.....everyone should make sure to use a grounding wire between drum and item to be filled.....regardless of pump type (even gravity feed)....static charge can build up between the drum and what you are filling.....I have a 20' length of nice flexible silicone jacketed test lead with an aligator clip on each end.......you do not want a spark when you go to place the filler handle/hose to the item to be filled....often with vapors and air mixing....ad spark = boom/fire.....you have to be careful and use your head....it looks simple buy it can be very dangerous..... Andy - amazed that the one drum crushed up like that.....like i said....I try to fill in the spring/fall/winter (cooler months)...so, mine are fairly pressurized in the summer.....I would have never thought the problem you had would be possible.....steel drums are tough suckers....I've seen 10,000 lb junk aircraft supported on a half dozen/10 drums.... I use a clear plastic fuel filter housing ....got it at local tractor supply....it is nice in that you can see any water in the system. It is well built and only cost about $20 or less..... When I'm done fueling......I take the hose and start lifting from the drum end and feed the hose fuel back into my drum via the bung.....a drained hose will never be able to siphon if for some reason the drun made a pressue and got the mess flowing.......I also coil the empty hose up on top of the drum as an added safety measure against siphon.... Whe you are workig with fuel...you have to use your head and plan ahead - this fuel is unattended and i do not want it dumping 15 gal out on the floor to evaporate and blow the place up....

Dave | 05-18-2009 03:11 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage This is certainly a great thread. I have some land where I do not currently reside on but would like to hide/store some fuel in 55 gallons containers (likely two 55 gallon gas, two 55 gallon diesel, and one 55 gallon kerosene for now).. Anyone have experience with this or have and recommendations? Dave

bigcdc | 05-18-2009 04:15 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage I just recently purchased a 55 gal drum to store gas in. I used seafoam for stabilizer and its completely sealed up. For awhile the tank was standing up right but as it heated and cooled the top would make a very loud bong noise when the metal popped up or down. So I turned it onto its side and that for the most part cured the noise, now if I wouldn't have hurt my back putting the barrel on its side (those sons of a bisniches are heavy when full). I think I've had my barrel now for 2-3 month so far no issues. I also got a barrel pump from good ol' harbor freight.

StrawMan=Corporation | 05-18-2009 05:28 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage Key thought here, Purchase an extra drum and let the pump or Air pressure (like I have displayed in a previous post above) do the work to move the fuel. Important point: when using air pressure to move the fuel keep the pressure at the 3/4 drum port very low IE from 2-3 PSI max or you will expand the drum to the point where it bursts. Adapt a disposable garden hose to pipe thread to put the fuel where you want it.

zoot | 05-18-2009 07:18 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage 1 Attachment(s) Hmmm...now I'm thinking that instead of large barrels, maybe a bunch of steel jerry cans for storage. It might be easier to rotate stock to avoid some of the oxidation, evaporation problems discussed. Any idea where to get these, maybe military surplus?

TTAZZMAN | 05-19-2009 12:27 AM
Re: Gasoline Storage STRAWMAN....around here they get real sticky wanting a containment structure if you get a storage tank over 500gal...since yours is portable maybe it is exempt? FWIW i keep 3 storage tanks.. 300gal gasoline gravity 500gal road diesel pumped 500gal farm diesel pumped (no tax dyed) i get fuel delivered for same as pump price and have them come buy once a month and refill me (gasoline) ...usually around 100gal ...its handy and since it is being rotated its always good everything i have is exposed to elements i have been thinking about enclosing the two diesel tanks with a small building and containment just for security and privacy thinking about puting in a #1 diesel(kerosene) tank for winter fuel..i have another 300gal tank sitting empty on a skid

nub | 05-19-2009 02:03 AM
Re: Gasoline Storage I have 500Gal. above ground for diesel and gas mine are under trees. Always ground (electrical ground) above ground tanks, they can give off a pretty good little shock/spark. They make a nice pressure relief valve for the big tanks that can save a lot of octane....but I'm still using a straight vent.

TTAZZMAN | 05-20-2009 12:41 AM
Re: Gasoline Storage I guess i have to ask this question....(several of you have mentioned special grounding) all of my tanks are in contact with the ground... my elevated (gravity) tanks are on a metal stand that is in direct contact with the ground my (pump) tanks sit on concrete on the ground i have had no issues with sparking etc should i be using a grounding strap to my fill vehicle??

Golddust | 05-20-2009 07:54 AM
Re: Gasoline Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by TTAZZMAN (Post 1729844) I guess i have to ask this question....(several of you have mentioned special grounding) all of my tanks are in contact with the ground... my elevated (gravity) tanks are on a metal stand that is in direct contact with the ground my (pump) tanks sit on concrete on the ground i have had no issues with sparking etc should i be using a grounding strap to my fill vehicle??
The vehicle is not grounded, the tires isolate the vehicle from the ground. The fuel flow will create a static charge to build up between the vehicle and ground, think of it as the vehicle becoming a capacitor. If you have ever left your car and got a zap from the static charge, that built up when you slid out of the seat and then touched the car, its the same thing. That is why most fires at gas stations start, when pumping gas, I think most gas hoses have metal in them, one reason is for strength and the other is to ground the hose. In the Air Force when refueling equipment you had to ground the hose to the vehicle, the same applyed when fueling aircraft. You do not have to do it, it is just safer to. :wink:

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CrufflerJJ | 05-20-2009 09:07 AM
Re: Gasoline Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by zoot (Post 1728053) Hmmm...now I'm thinking that instead of large barrels, maybe a bunch of steel jerry cans for storage. It might be easier to rotate stock to avoid some of the oxidation, evaporation problems discussed. Any idea where to get these, maybe military surplus?
Rotsa Ruck! Thanks to our benevolent government, a law was implemented within the past year that made it illegal to sell the standard type jerrycan. All you can buy now are the models that have a built in spill-proof, leak-proof valve. For the children. Wedco may still make/sell government approved jerrycans. A quick Google showed some for sale on eBay ($35 freakin' dollars for a mil-surplus jerrycan), or a modest $46 for California legal Blitz 5 gal jerrycans. Amazon lists some on their site for ~$40-$50 each: Amazon Amazon The days of commonly available $10 mil-surp jerrycans are pretty well gone, unless you get lucky at a local shop.

ruprick | 05-20-2009 10:10 AM
Re: Gasoline Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by TTAZZMAN (Post 1729844) I guess i have to ask this question....(several of you have mentioned special grounding) all of my tanks are in contact with the ground... my elevated (gravity) tanks are on a metal stand that is in direct contact with the ground my (pump) tanks sit on concrete on the ground i have had no issues with sparking etc should i be using a grounding strap to my fill vehicle??
Yes - you must ground your vehicle/container to be filled to the fuel source....otherwise is a serious fire risk....don't take the risk. Everytime an aircraft is fueled - it must be grounded. Planes can develope a static charge from friction with the air....but so can cars and other items..... I give a pretty amazing demonstration to folks whenever an electrical storm is in the area.....I get in my bare feet - if pavement is wet = even better.....grab a kitchen fork....squat down in the driveway next to my car.....hold fork about 1 inch away from the chrome bumper/chrome wheel trim......when the lightning strikes anywhere or or just flashes in the sky....a massive spark jumps between the fork and the car.....the big metal car is a giant electrical capicator plate..... At all costs....avoid fuel, esp vapors + air, and static spark.....

StrawMan=Corporation | 05-20-2009 10:19 AM
Re: Gasoline Storage I saw some of the German Jerry cans at Colemans surplus. "A steel constructed gas can that will last forever. Holds 20 liters (5 gal.) of fuel or any other liquid. Features an opening with a secure locking cap. Triple grip metal molded handle for easy dispensing. Measures 18 in. high x 13 in. x 6 in. Can is used, good condition." <!--eof Product description --><TABLE id=attribcart><TBODY><TR><TD class=addtocart><!--bof Attributes Module --><!--eof Attributes Module --></TD><TD class=addtocart><!--bof Add to Cart Box -->Add to Cart: <INPUT maxLength=6 size=4 value=1 name=cart_quantity> <INPUT type=hidden value=908 name=products_id><INPUT class="cssButton button_in_cart" style="WIDTH: 100px" type=submit value="Add to Cart"> <!--eof Add to Cart Box--></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!--bof Product details list --> Item #: 131901 http://store.colemans.com/cart/bmz_c...ge.117x180.gif 1 NATO Can 30.00 http://store.colemans.com/cart/gerry...l?currency=USD 6 Nato cans 150.00 http://store.colemans.com/cart/gerry...l?currency=USD Gerry Can, U.S. G.I. <!--eof Product Name--><!--bof Product Price block -->$49.95 http://store.colemans.com/cart/gerry...l?currency=USD <!--eof Product Price block --><!--bof free ship icon --><!--eof free ship icon --><!--bof Product description -->"A steel constructed gas can that will last forever. Holds 5 gal. of fuel or any other liquid. Features a 2� in. wide mouth opening with a chain attached screw on cap with gasket. Triple grip metal molded handle for easy dispensing. Measures 18 in. high x 13 in. x 6� in. Unused, but may have some exterior cosmetic blemishes...ie...scratches in the paint." <!--eof Product description --><TABLE id=attribcart><TBODY><TR><TD class=addtocart><!--bof Attributes Module --><!--eof Attributes Module --></TD><TD class=addtocart><!--bof Add to Cart Box -->Add to Cart: <INPUT maxLength=6 size=4 value=1 name=cart_quantity> <INPUT type=hidden value=910 name=products_id><INPUT class="cssButton button_in_cart" style="WIDTH: 100px" type=submit value="Add to Cart"> <!--eof Add to Cart Box--></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!--bof Product details list --> Item #: 135001 http://store.colemans.com/cart/bmz_c...ge.126x180.gif <!--eof Product details list --><!--bof Quantity Discounts table --><!--eof Quantity Discounts table --><!--bof Additional Product Images --><!--eof Additional Product Images --><!--bof Prev/Next bottom position --><!--eof Prev/Next bottom position --><!--bof Tell a Friend button -->

TTAZZMAN | 05-20-2009 02:59 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage I appreciate the responses i recieved but i was more specificly responding to posts such as NUBS that specificly states TANK grounding in the contex of a home storage situation. I understand rubber tired vehicles can build up a static charge and needs to be dealt with just like any time you fill at any public gas station. Do my farm storage tanks need to be grounded beyond being in contact with the earth???

CANUCKFARMER | 05-20-2009 03:30 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage You guys worry to much. You can boil diesel to clean things. Put diesel in a metal pot,put a tiger torch on the pot-and clean anything. Gasoline on the other hand,you can never be to safe.

AOW | 05-20-2009 03:33 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage We worry too much, but with gasoline you can never be too safe. Got it.:confused_ma:

Golddust | 05-20-2009 04:07 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by TTAZZMAN (Post 1730747) I appreciate the responses i recieved but i was more specificly responding to posts such as NUBS that specificly states TANK grounding in the contex of a home storage situation. I understand rubber tired vehicles can build up a static charge and needs to be dealt with just like any time you fill at any public gas station. Do my farm storage tanks need to be grounded beyond being in contact with the earth???
You are probably safe. Tho it would not hurt to drive some ground rods and bind the tanks to the rods. Not all ground is the same, as far as conductivity goes ground rods are cheap, and the bonding straps can be solid wire or if you have some old coax Rg 8 or so strip the shield off and use as bonding strap.. Grounding your tanks would be the best way to go.. Sure will not hurt.. And to carry it one more step more, Put a ground cable with alligator clamp on your Gas tank and clip it to what ever you are filling up. Small aircraft style cable and a clamp would be best practice. IMHO

lessoil=+pm | 05-20-2009 04:23 PM
Re: Gasoline Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1726462) Warning: Temperature swings and REALLY tight barrels can lead to this: Attached Images of crushed 'full' barrel of gas-upthread see picture. Air fitting attached to "blow it" back out......
here's my theory. the volatile gases got out somehow during warmer times, then during cold the tank sealed completely & ...

CANUCKFARMER | 05-21-2009 12:34 AM
Re: Gasoline Storage soory for the info wrong place i guess

Government Chee-tos | 09-09-2009 12:40 AM
Re: Gasoline Storage Great information in this thread. I have a few questions that maybe some of you can answer. -Anyone know any laws about filling 55 gallon drums at a filling station and transporting in a pickup truck? -Is a 55 gallon drum an "approved" container? -Should you ground the drum to the truck before filling if the truck has a bedliner? -Any recommendations as to what to set the drums on, such as pallets, gravel, etc.? Thanks for the knowledge!

StrawMan=Corporation | 09-09-2009 12:56 AM
Re: Gasoline Storage I had been transporting fuel in 55 gallon drums (from what I understand the 55 gallon drums are approved containers if they are steel and not plastic or any other material) and larger 150 gallon Saddle tanks from a semi truck. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> I found out that transporting the fuel in drums is ok but according to the CHP (I’m in Nazifornia) it’s not ok in the larger tanks. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> There is a issue about weight and how many gallons the drum or tank can hold. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> IE this is from memory but the 150 gallon tank is too large by at least 50 gallons. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The CHP officer suggested I contact a commercial officer to get written info on the State and Federal law about fuel transportation. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> It was also suggested that I would find such a commercial enforcement officer at a scale house. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Since there are scale houses at all 50 states that enforce such commercial laws I would suggest you try your state police or HWY patrol. Hope this helps. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Quote:
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Originally Posted by Government Chee-tos (Post 1911449) I have a few questions that maybe some of you can answer.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> -Anyone know any laws about filling 55 gallon drums at a filling station and transporting in a pickup truck? <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> -Is a 55 gallon drum an "approved" container? <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> -Should you ground the drum to the truck before filling if the truck has a bedliner?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> -Any recommendations as to what to set the drums on, such as pallets, gravel, etc.?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Thanks for the knowledge!
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wallew | 09-09-2009 01:54 AM
Re: Gasoline Storage 1 Attachment(s) I've stored gasoline for as long as six years and then used it in my 1990 Suburban with zero problems. I fill mine TO THE TOP. NO AIR AT ALL. I use Stabil, but PRI-G works as well. I do something different though. I use 15 gallon drums. They actually hold 16.5 gallons. Eight of them will hold 130 gallons. The drums I purchased are UN approved, because the US no longer rates drums, but have turned that over to the UN. Mine are rated for hazardous waste. Fuel weighs approximately 8 lbs per gallon. A 55 gallon drum can weigh, when full, in excess of 440 lbs (don't forget the weight of the drum). My 15 gallon ones weigh 140. Not light, but one person can move them around with a stout two wheel dolly. I have three pumps. One electric, two manual ones. I live in Denver and our temp swings from a high of 100 to a low of below zero. My fuel is stored in a metal shed on my property. The ONLY thing I do differently is that I use Acetone as a fuel additive and have for almost ten years. Never have ANY problems with my vehicles. Last time I checked, Cold War Remarketing still had the 5 gallon NATO jerry cans. But it has been a couple of months since I was there. About CUCV's. M1008 - 5/4 ton pickup M1009 - 3/4 ton Blazer M1010 - 5/4 ton ambulance M1028A2/A3 - 5/4 ton dually M1031 - 5/4 ton contact maintenance truck All CUCV's were made between 1985/1987, though I have seen ONE that says 1984, but that was probably a titling problem in whatever state it was orginally titled. They ALL have the 6.2L N/A diesel J code engine (non-emissioned engine). TH400 Tranny. NP205 transfer case (M1010, M1028 & M1031). The rest have NP208 transfer case. Blazer runs Dana 44 axles and 10 bolt rear axle. 3.08 gears The rest run Dana 60 fronts and 14 bolt rear axles w/locker. 4.56 gears. Front locking hubs on both types of axles. M1009 has a 27 gallon fuel tank mounted in the rear between the rails - fills on the right side. The rest run a single 20 gallon tank mounted outside the rail - fills on the left side. If you get a good one, it can run forever if properly maintained. They are not quick, but reliable as the day is long. No A/C, no radio, does have a heater, vinyl seats, rubber floor mats. BIG honkin grill guard up front. Attachment 78723

hoarder | 09-09-2009 09:35 AM
Re: Gasoline Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by Government Chee-tos (Post 1911449) Great information in this thread. I have a few questions that maybe some of you can answer. -Anyone know any laws about filling 55 gallon drums at a filling station and transporting in a pickup truck? -Is a 55 gallon drum an "approved" container? -Should you ground the drum to the truck before filling if the truck has a bedliner? -Any recommendations as to what to set the drums on, such as pallets, gravel, etc.? Thanks for the knowledge!
I think each state has it's own laws. Before fueling, touch the pump nozzle to the side of the container being filled, that will discharge static electricity, whether you have a bedliner or not(the truck has rubber tires). I think I'll just set my drums on the floor of my shipping container. With doors closed it should reduce day/night temperature swings by about ten degrees. Another thing I wanted to add to this thread...STA-BIL is the foulest smelling substance on this planet. I would much rather get sprayed by a skunk than get that stuff on me again, I know both by experience. Fortunately I finally found a local supplier of PRI-G.

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