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Book | 03-26-2006 12:51 PM
Ultimate Secure Home for sale $495,000 Joel Skousen, the renowned expert on secure homes, and author of the book The Secure Home and editor/publisher of the excellent newsletter "The World Affairs Brief", has laid down a list of what he considers to be essential for self-sufficiency and security. The essentials are: an independent water supply as well as a back-up supply, alternate electrical power, energy efficient appliances, alternate forms of heat, more than one communication option, adequate storage facilities, including cool storage for long-term food storage, fire-resistant construction and the ability to fight a fire inside the house, multiple forms of security and intruder detection, a high-security safe room/fallout shelter, above normal fortification of the house and grounds and a remote location. Joel states that very few people actually achieve 100% of these elements. It's safe to say, this house has it all! linky

wallew | 03-26-2006 01:05 PM
Re: Ultimate Secure Home for sale $495,000 That's basically just a dome home built underground. It's ok. NOW, if you want the ULTIMATE in secure homes, here's the website to visit. There is one outside of Denver. Except for the $1,295,000 price tag, it's not too bad. Click on LINKY1 and then go to properties and look at the Titan 1 site. There is another one on sale at GSA that is exactly the same and it's current auction site has a price at $570,000. But for the second one, they say you can not access, use or dig in that area. Click on LINKY2 and you will see the 'big empty' that you get on 220 acres approximately. As it's on 'soft close' right now, I'm not sure how much longer this link will be good. So it seems they basically want about $700K for the underground structure. There are quite a few properties at LINKY1 and they vary in price, location and the amount of property that goes with it. AND the conditions of the sites vary greatly also.

Book | 03-26-2006 01:20 PM
Re: Ultimate Secure Home for sale $495,000 Yeah...but the Titan 1 missle silo doesn't have the cool camo stove chimney... :bawling: [p.s. I'm making jest here]

wallew | 03-26-2006 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Book Yeah...but the Titan 1 missle silo doesn't have the cool camo stove chimney... :bawling: [p.s. I'm making jest here]
While I KNOW what you mean, having ANY heat sources at the surface will give away your position. From satellites to flir to any hand held IR devices, if you have 'heat' leaking to the surface, you are NOT as safe as you might wish. And yes, ALL those properties have been on the market for quite some time. There was a 'brisk' business for them pre Y2K, but now that that was a flop, prices have taken a nose dive. When we get hit again by the terrorists and this time they use NBC, these types of places stock will go way up. So, it depends on how you view it, but the property alone on the Titan site (200+ acres) is worth something. Not that much, but something never the less.

Book | 03-26-2006 03:55 PM
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"While I KNOW what you mean, having ANY heat sources at the surface will give away your position." -wallew
The notion that a stove pipe spewing SMOKE is hidden is absurd. I imagine Ponce could think up many ways of defeating the defenses. Imagine what pouring just a quart of gasoline down that stove pipe would accomplish... Many reasons why it remains unsold. :bawling:

wallew | 03-26-2006 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Book The notion that a stove pipe spewing SMOKE is hidden is absurd. I imagine Ponce could think up many ways of defeating the defenses. Imagine what pouring just a quart of gasoline down that stove pipe would accomplish... Many reasons why it remains unsold. :bawling:
I always liked what the Romans did. Well, the rich ones anyway. They built their buildings with the floors having space so they did the original radiant heating via the floors by funneling the exhaust from their fires through the floors.

Penny Lane | 03-26-2006 06:13 PM
Re: Ultimate Secure Home for sale $495,000 How do you actually defeat the IR at the surface problem? Just say no to using any appliances or heating the house? Is there a realistic solution? Perhaps a heat exchanger in a fast moving stream nearby?

Book | 03-26-2006 10:48 PM
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Is there a realistic solution? -Penny Lane
No. Thermal goggles are now cheap and many Survivalists and Sportsmen have them. My point in posting this House was to invite the pondering of what is really "realistic" and Penny is now exploring the possibilities. Fact is...this guy built a House that can't be concealed and many of his other initial decisions fail at basic Security. Every guy who worked on that House knows where it is and what it contains. They told their wives and buddies. The owner of that House had more dollars than sense. When making your Plan...do a little reality-testing with a trusted wise person or bounce it off the folks here at GIM. :chat:

Tom | 03-28-2006 05:08 PM
Re: Ultimate Secure Home for sale $495,000 "While I KNOW what you mean, having ANY heat sources at the surface will give away your position. From satellites to flir to any hand held IR devices, if you have 'heat' leaking to the surface, you are NOT as safe as you might wish." "The notion that a stove pipe spewing SMOKE is hidden is absurd. I imagine Ponce could think up many ways of defeating the defenses. Imagine what pouring just a quart of gasoline down that stove pipe would accomplish..." Heaven help me. Yet another citiod (city idiot) that doesn't know what they are talking about. Gentlemen, perhaps since you want to discuss home security I might be able to help with a few points. First of all, I'm the owner of the Ultimate Secure Home. Did you really think I completely overlooked a secure method of securing the stove chimney from gas being poured down it? There is a large, heavy 1/4" AR400 steel cover that can be locked down over the chimney. This cover is wrapped with real Aspen bark and has a real "block" of a broken Aspen tree attached to the top. Unlike the decorative aspen appearance of the chimney itself, the cover is very hard to differentiate from the real thing, especially at night. the cover locks down with two military surplus padlocks that can't possibly be removed with bolt-cutters. A portable torch would be necessary. Also, the damn thing is so heavy that two people can't possibly lift the cover off the chimney. I have to use a motor block lift to get the cover on and off. With the cover in place there is NO possibility of gas being poured down the chimney and there is absolutely no IR signature. I can simply heat the house with ventless catalytic propane heaters instead of with wood and coal. It is unfortunate, but there are unscrupulous people out there who, rather than making preparations themselves, instead try to seek out others who are prepared so that when an opportune time comes they can attempt to "take over" the house and rip off the others supplies, food, and equipment. We refer to these types as freebooters. But the problem is, not so much that freebooters are out there, but they tend to have a very low intelligence quotient. So with that in mind, let me give you some additional information to hopefully convince you of the futile and hopeless nature of such an imaginative endeavor as: (1) finding my house in the first place, (2) being able to waltz right up t the chimney carrying a can of gas, and (3) having any hopes of taking over the house once you do arrive. I can�t believe I used to say, "What you don�t know can�t hurt you." I�m now convinced that if "what we don�t know" is the truth, our ignorance could be very costly. This axiom applies directly to freebooters. Perhaps I failed to mention a number of important things on my website that might adversely affect the chances of success a freebooter would have. I didn't say that I have several very hard-core survivalist friends (one ex-special forces) that will come to stay with me in the event of a major event taking place in this country. I also failed to mention that I currently have a full-time caretaker living at our house, who has a very mean chow. This caretaker is the handy-man that helped me finish the house. He has been with me for the past 6 years. I also failed to mention that I have another secure house right here in La Plata County. You see, my advertised secure home was only my starter house. I have since built another secure home that puts my old place to shame. I took everything I learned from this project and applied it to a new project. One of the implications here is that all of my survival supplies and food has been moved to my new place where it is even more secure than it would be at my old house, even with a full-time caretaker. I also failed to mention that I was only two credits away from getting an undergraduate degree in chemistry. This technical background has given me much knowledge that could be useful in the coming hard times. One could never be certain what in the house is safe and what isn't. Hypothetically speaking, a packet of food could be contaminated with a legal chemical such as DPT mixed with an MAOI (N,N-dipropyltryptamine), the lesser known cousin of the powerful psychoactive substance, DMT, which, if ingested can produce extremely powerful entheogenic experiences, to put it mildly, or even death in large enough quantities. One could never be certain if a flashlight was safe to turn on, a book was safe to open, a lightswitch was safe to flip, etc. I trust you understand what I have implied here. Even an unoccupied house could be very unsafe to someone with less than honorable intentions. Then there are the many hi-tech security devices currently at my house, also not mentioned on my website. As you may know, I wrote on my website, "In addition to the video system, the house, safe room, and property are equipped with numerous other security devices and features, which, when combined, create a highly effective and comprehensive overall security system designed to protect against unwanted trespassers and intruders." "These special security features are quite extensive. There are several tens of thousands of dollars worth of security stuff that will only be revealed to a qualified prospective buyer during an actual showing." Maybe a potential freebooter might overlook these statements, not realizing what this might entail. Any way, to help you understand more, let me share a little about these devices. For one, I have a vehicle detection unit that will sound an alarm to alert any occupants in my house to the presence of an approaching vehicle. This unit will also record the VIN number of the vehicle, along with the date and time of activation. Since this probably sounds farfetched to you, allow me a brief explanation of how this is possible, and also how this detector interfaces with the house's video surveillance system. Since about the mid-1980's, all cars and trucks have, under Federal law, been manufactured with a so-called "black box" that acts as a radio frequency identification device (RFID). RFID is a simple, very well know technology that has been in widespread use for many years. Two of the better known applications are EasyPass and InfoPet. Because the "black box" RFID, found in all late model vehicles, was originally developed exclusively for security of government buildings and military installations, the media has never reported on it, and, consequently, the general public is almost completely ignorant of it. About the only place this information is available is through certain security companies that sell RFID detection equipment. While I could refer you to certain websites with info about these detectors, I won't, because you might also be able to discover other website with information on how to defeat them. These vehicle detectors also work by detecting disturbances in the earth's magnetic field. In case you've forgotten your high school science, the Van Allen Belts are energy fields that surround the globe. They contain charged particles that are held in place by the magnetic field. When a piece of metal (especially a large piece like a motor block) moves across the ground's surface, it temporarily disrupts the Van Allen Belt. This disruption can be detected by an underground sensor. In our case, this sensor probe is buried under our dirt road about 1/3 mile from my house, giving me ample time to respond in the middle of the night. When the sensor detects a vehicle, either by the RFID method, or by the Van Allen Belt disruption method, or most commonly by both, it sends a signal to my house, records the VIN number and other info, and activates the video surveillance system of the outside cameras. These video images are digitally stored on the home's computer. You see, the camera system has been upgraded from what is described on the website. The system now consists of 16 digital day/night cameras. Also, the VCR recorder has been eliminated as the computer now does the function of data storage. Next, comes an underground buried cable intrusion detection system that completely surrounds the house in two separate circles. This covert perimeter intrusion detection security sensor works by generating an invisible electromagnetic radio-frequency detection field around buried sensor cables. The system identifies intruders moving through the field based on their mass and movement, providing advanced warning of an outside intrusion. It has a very high probability of detection, very low false alarm rate, and the lowest vulnerability to defeat of any outdoor sensor. Because the sensor is completely buried, it is completely covert. In short, it is the ideal system for covert, high security perimeter applications. People like Kevin Costner and Ozzy Osborne have their houses protected with this exact same technology. If an intruder didn't drive in on the road but instead walked in through the woods, bypassing the vehicle detector, they couldn't possibly get close to the house without triggering the buried cable intrusion detection system, which will, in turn, also activate the outside video cameras. If the interior ring of the two buried cables is activated, the system will automatically call my pager and my cell phone simultaneously (via a buried military surplus HAM antenna!). Once notified, I can go to any laptop computer in the entire world and view the images the video cameras are capturing, both exterior and interior cameras. If I so choose, I could, at that point, call the local 911 emergency dispatch center and I could even transmit the video images to them! Based on their assessment, thy will decide whether to dispatch a sheriff officer, or to continue to monitor the trespass. Oh, by the way, when the vehicle sensor is activated it also sounds an alarm at one of my neighbors and close friends house, who just so happens to be a retired Illinois state trooper. He has a wallfull of certificates, awards, and other noteworthy accomplishments that he calls his "wall of fame." If and when an unknown VIN comes up the road, especially at night, he might very well be out on his front porch, tactical shotgun in hand, watching to see who is approaching HIS house. If the trespass progresses into a burglary, the interior cameras will be activated by various door and window sensors, along with various interior motion detectors. These images will be automatically transmitted to the dispatch center providing valuable evidence of the crime. Then, if I really want to get ugly, I can remotly activate, again from any computer in the world, the room fogger. This unit, originally designed for Hollywood stunt work, will completely fill the house with a thick fog like smoke that will completely obstruct the intruders vision. Meanwhile, the homeowner, if home, can easily view the activity in the house by using an infra-red thermal imaging scope, which is ideal for use as both a hand-held thermal imager and a weapon-mounted sight. Because it emits neither light nor RF energy, its use cannot be detected, especially in a fog-filled room. Such a thermal imager mounted on a 12 guage shotgun combined with the room fogger is a fearsome home defense system which is perfectly legal in the state of Colorado. With my background in chemistry I could also add a more "virulent" ingredient to the room fogger, such as oleoresin capsicum, if desired. The only big difference between the security system at my old house and my new house is that at the new house I can actually estabish two-way voice communications by means of the video cameras, both exterior and interior. This means that I can actually talk to and hear someone outside my house from any computer in the world as long as it has a microphone and the appropriate software. Amd there are yet many other hi-tech security stuff far too sensitive and secrete for me to discuss here. If one was trying to pour gas down my chimney, well, to put it mildly, they would have one seething problem on their hands. Much of this hi-tech security stuff, because it is worth many tens of thousands, doesn't come with the house as a free inclusion for the $495K. I will sell it to the new owner at an extra cost. But if the new owner decides to go for it, we will then possibly be able to work out some kind of mutual aid agreement, at least to the extent that we watch each others places remotely. So, I hope this brief lession in advance home security was at least somewhat interesting to you. I would much prefer being left alone and not having to bother will all the accompanying hassle of utilizing my security stuff. Furthermore, I would really hate to see anyone behind bars, but would much prefer to deter an event from happening in the first place. I hope you now get the big picture; my advertising slogan, The Ultimate Secure Home, is not just some contrived phrase. It is backed up by, as my website says, "numerous security devices and features, which, when combined, create a highly effective and comprehensive overall security system designed to protect against unwanted trespassers and intruders." There is a great song on Ted Nugent's "Damn Yankees" CD the lyrics of which are: "Don't you dare, don't you tread on me. Don't you try to make some fool of me. Don't you tread on me. 'Cause I just might spoil your victory." I do sincerely hope that you all get prepared for the nuclear/biological holocaust that is coming in time, and I also hope that none of you are so foolish as to make plans to take over someone else's house, especially NOT mine. Best of luck to you all with your future endeavors. Tom

Unclad Lad | 03-30-2006 11:42 PM
Re: Ultimate Secure Home for sale $495,000 Uhhh... Well, I'm impressed. Should I ever put together the money to build like that I know who to call. I'm still trying to work up to "hidey hole", though, and I'll be very happy to have it. Will we be able to order DVDs of any freebooters who make the attempt? :D

Infidel | 03-31-2006 02:27 AM
Re: Ultimate Secure Home for sale $495,000 Tom. no undue disrespect. people like to look for holes in best made plans. the first 1/10th of your post would be sufficient to aleviate the concerns. I would sugest making a page on your listing site with common questions like "Can the site be detected from orbit by someone determined to find such houses?" "What if some frebooter comes to your property witha truck and then rips open the chimney and starts pouring nitric acid down?" you know in this que ....... Interesting house you got there btw.

Book | 03-31-2006 10:20 AM
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Heaven help me. Yet another citiod (city idiot) that doesn't know what they are talking about. Gentlemen, perhaps since you want to discuss home security I might be able to help with a few points. First of all, I'm the owner of the Ultimate Secure Home. -Tom
Tom: Welcome to the Survival Prep section of GIM! As the "idiot" who posted this thread, I stand by my comments about the logic of your choices. If you have since built a better home, it can be argued that you using "Ultimate" to describe this one for sale is...false advertising. But, being the "idiot" who doesn't know what I am talking about, I'll invite the other GIM members to seriously consider your post here. Again...welcome to GIM!

Book | 03-31-2006 11:06 AM
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And to think Book, I was the one that backed you up.:smile: -Marketneutral
Duly noted buddy...I owe you one. :coolbeer:

Tom | 04-03-2006 03:21 PM
Re: Ultimate Secure Home for sale $495,000 "You are calling us a fool. Your "fortress" is less then 270 miles from a high value nuclear target. No wonder you can't sell it." Well, first of all, you don't know exactly where my house is. I may have lied about the location being 20 miles from Durango to throw off anyone looking for it, figuring I could explain the discrepancy to a qualified, pre-screened prospective buyer without loosing trust. I know of another individual who sold their house near Breckenridge, CO by advertising it was near Vail, CO. They even placed a photo of another house on their website ad. As for the distance to potential nuclear targets... Sounds to me as though you really have no concept of nuclear war survival. 270 miles is a very long distance. The only possible danger of a nuclear detonation that far away would be from fallout, and since NORAD/NorthCOM in Colorado Springs and the cluster packs near Ft. Collins, CO are east of SouthWest Colorado, and since the prevailing winds travel from west to east, there is absolutely no danger whatsoever here in SW CO from a nuclear attack on the frontrange. http://www.ki4u.com/nuclearsurvival/states/co.htm To analyze the danger of fallout in a given area, one needs to look at potential targets located WEST of them, not EAST! As for SW CO, there is some danger from fallout coming here from Kalifornistan, and also from transglobal fallout, but in short, SW CO and eastern Texas are the two best locations in the entire country in terms of fallout. Also, understand that because the house's fallout shelter is located deep underground, with 6 feet of dirt over it, it has an extremely high protection factor (PF). The PF is a rating of the amount of radiation reduction (from radioactive fallout) that can be expected from a given thickness of a material such as dirt or concrete. Most fallout shelters are built to have a PF of 100, which will cut out about 90% of all outside radiation. A PF of 100 requires 22" of dirt, 15" of concrete, or 5" of steel. With 6 feet of dirt and 5 inches of concrete covering the room it has a PF far greater than the standard of 100. In other words, 6 feet of dirt will stop all fallout radiationno matter how intense. Also, the entire house itself has a relatively high PF as well. Gentlemen, since I do sincerely hope and pray that you will get prepared, here is a link to a free on-line book about nuclear war survival: http://www.oism.org/nwss/ I also recommend: http://www.ki4u.com/ "I would suggest making a page on your listing site with common questions like "What if some frebooter comes to your property with a truck and then rips open the chimney and starts pouring nitric acid down?" A FAQ section is a very good idea. Thanks for the suggestion. However, giving a truthful answer to the above question on my site might not be so helpful. What am I supposed to say? That I'd exit via the emergency egress manway, and shoot them in the head with a .308 HK91? I don't think so. Such subtle nuances are best left for an actual showing.

Alchemistic | 04-05-2006 01:14 PM
Re: Ultimate Secure Home for sale $495,000 When I get a chance I'll post some pics of our practice home we're just now finishing building... While not a total survival home, it's an ICF home (insulated concrete forms) it can withstand winds of up to 210 mph, has an r-value of 50+, no furnace needed (even though we live in the mid west), no AC is needed, is concrete and steel frame construction, highly efficient but, not our permanent home. A bit like these homes...but, better and some underground living quarters. ICF homes We�re off to build again soon, only doing it totally right the next time! A complete error on our part, building where we did and not doing as through of a job as we would have liked to...though, now we know what to do for the next one!

Book | 04-05-2006 01:26 PM
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A complete error on our part, building where we did and not doing as through of a job as we would have liked to...though, now we know what to do for the next one! -Alchemistic
The GIM Survival Prep Section would be a great place for you to share your experience! As to your errors, let's remember that Thomas Edison tried a lot of experiments before his first working lightbulb. Keep us posted on your improvements. Good luck Alchemistic!

wallew | 04-08-2006 08:06 PM
Re: Ultimate Secure Home for sale $495,000 Tom, All your 'gee whiz' stuff means zip. If I wanted you out, it is fairly simple. And as OLD AS TIME. It's called FIRE. I start and keep a fire burning on and around your 'security' driven home. Smoke will be intense. Oxygen will be at a premium. As I continue to throw fuel on the fire around your place, you may 'sit it out'. Or choose to flee. The latter means you only die tired. Yeah, SF, BFD. Not the only one who has people like that at hand. And I've got a few other tricks up my sleeve that NO ONE uses anymore. Because generally they cause complete loss of all things you are trying to 'freeboot' (your word). So, step down off that HIGH HORSE, get a grip and REALIZE that without O2 you ain't chit. NAPALM does nasty things to it's targets. Oh, and just for YOUR edification, here's the RULE OF THREES for you: The Rule of 3's A person can live for: 3 seconds without thinking 3 minutes without air 3 hours without shelter 3 days without water 3 weeks without food 3 months without hope Make sure you read the second one... jim

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