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BigShiny | 03-06-2008 10:56 AM
Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping I just found this site that was recently recommended by a friend. http://waltonfeed.com/intro/basic.html I would like to order from them soon. Any feedback on the company or on the specific details of the package that you like or dislike would be appreciated. See below (and more details at the link) One Year Basic Food Unit Contents 6 Gallon Super Pail Buckets: 3- Hard Red Wheat 2- Hard White Wheat 1- Pinto Beans 1- Small White Beans 1- White Rice 1- Instant Milk 1- Quick Rolled Oats 1- Soybeans 1- Whole Corn 1- White Sugar Other Items: 2- 17.5 oz pkg Saf-Instant Yeast 1- #10 cans Iodized Salt 1- Bottle Ion-Stabilized Oxygen (Treats approx.63-126 gallons water)

Ash_Williams | 03-06-2008 10:58 AM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping I emailed them a while ago asking for a quote on shipping. Never got a reply. Website is about 30% broken.

BigShiny | 03-06-2008 11:01 AM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash_Williams (Post 998076) I emailed them a while ago asking for a quote on shipping. Never got a reply. Website is about 30% broken.
I called yesterday and they were not especially helpful. They answered my questions but did not seem eager to educate me at all. Maybe they are busy, but I was expecting that they enjoy what they are doing and would want to teach people how to prep a bit and clear up any confusions about their products.

Professur | 03-06-2008 11:07 AM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Is that for feeding people or livestock. Ick.

Tn...Andy | 03-06-2008 11:15 AM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping They are busier than a one legged man at a sack race...they are simply overwhelmed right now, that is how frantic this market has become......but one of the best places to get stuff. Been ordering from them for years. When Ash says their website is about 30% broken, that may be true.....but you also have to take into account how HUGE the website is, and how much freebie material they put out for anyone to browse. I think the part you order from works just fine. The powdered milk, I would get in #10 cans rather than a 6 gal bucket unless you use a LOT of milk at one time. Once you open, shelf life is limited. By the way, a lot of places say 12-24 months on powdered milk in nitrogen packed #10 cans. I opened some recently from 1998 and it tasted just fine. May or may not have the same nutritional value, but I could tell no difference in taste. Stored in a cool, dry location. I would buy salt and sugar local, just for shipping reasons, you can likely beat the price. Understand that is a VERY basic food list....you will need to add cooking oil, and most like add some fruits/veggies/meats/eggs/etc. You 'can' survive on that list, but you system may play hell adjusting to it unless that is already the bulk of your your diet. You will also need to learn to use the wheat.....they have several books, such as Passport to Survival and such.....buy a couple of them as well. And you will need a way to grind the grain for wider use...bread, cornbread, etc

Tn...Andy | 03-06-2008 11:22 AM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Quote:
Originally Posted by BigShiny (Post 998080) I called yesterday and they were not especially helpful. They answered my questions but did not seem eager to educate me at all. Maybe they are busy, but I was expecting that they enjoy what they are doing and would want to teach people how to prep a bit and clear up any confusions about their products.
Most likely they are getting covered up by calls from "window shoppers".....I'm not saying you are one, but there are a LOT of dreamers out here in internet land......tire kickers, great theorizers that never actually get around to DOING anything, and so on.....and as crunch time approaches, more and more of them come out of the woodwork. This is a fairly small outfit, and I suspect they simply don't have time for a lot of casual BSing over the phone, folks. You want food.....order it....get it done.....don't care WHERE you get it, but you better 'get-r-done', or you're gonna find yourself in the same boat as most of America.....two meals worth of food in your kitchen cabinets, and totally dependent on a JIT delivery system. And for Professur, most all processed food ( like BREAD ) comes from a basic source, dude......not the magic of a bakery.

RealityCheck | 03-06-2008 11:43 AM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Shipping is very expensive IMO, it totally wipes out any benefit of buying in bulk and you end up paying the same per pound as buying locally in smaller quantities (which is fine if you can't find the items locally). I have found its just as cheap to buy small bags of beans at the grocery store then it is to order them in bulk online. Though they will give you funny looks at the check out counter, so I usually just order them anyway and get funny looks from the UPS guy instead. :D It will be well over a hundred dollars to ship based on my other purchases from them. I'm not a fan of those year supplies, just buy the items you want seperately so you don't pay for things you dont like. Buy what ever you can locally and pack it yourself so you dont pay shipping for things you dont need to. Go to Sams club for Rice, sugar and salt (and they might even have beans at your local Sam's). The amount you will pay in shipping for sugar and rice alone (90 lbs total) will probably pay for your membership.

RealityCheck | 03-06-2008 11:50 AM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping I just looked up the cost in my email when they sent 400lbs of food from Walton. It was $181 for shipping on $620 of food @400lbs.

mayhem | 03-06-2008 11:55 AM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping You can also check for deals at "Emergency Essentials". The last order I got from them was 4 superpails and a box of #10 Cans all for $11.00 total shipping. DYODD guys, but as Andy said just do it!

BigShiny | 03-06-2008 11:56 AM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Quote:
Originally Posted by RealityCheck (Post 998156) I just looked up the cost in my email when they sent 400lbs of food from Walton. It was $181 for shipping on $620 of food @400lbs.
Wow. Well I already put in the order. I am counting on the packaging being very good for long term storage. I am certainly going to used coupons and local wholesale to fill the nutritional gaps and make the stash more tasty. Hopefully I will get the order in about a month. That is pretty costly, but I got it all done in one fell swoop. It feels good to DO something for preps. This is a first step for me beyond PMs. Next paycheck will be canned fruits and veggies. Then water.

Tn...Andy | 03-06-2008 12:02 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Yep....shipping has gotten to be a BIG bite in the last few years.....that oil thing again...... That's why my last order was for about a ton and came motor freight......1960lbs for 400 bucks......and I could have gotten TWICE that for another 200. THAT is why I tried, in vain, to get a group order together on this, and 2 other boards. Not even a hint of interest except one guy on another board....and he was really too far away to be practical. It wasn't so much for me, as it would have helped others get theirs pretty cheap.....I was gonna do it ANYWAY.....and did....it might have cut a little off mine ( say 100 bucks if a group order would have been another ton) ....big damn deal....... Oh....yeah......did I mention there were a LOT of tire kickers and theorizers on the internet ? ahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa...... Like I said.....get it where you can, local, mailorder, whatever......cause I guaran-dadgum-tee ya, there ain't 3-4 months worth of food for the entire country out there in the supply system, much less 6mo-year. People whine about missing the boat on PMs ( they haven't ).....well, you miss the FOOD BOAT, and you really ARE gonna have something to whine about.....but not for too long......if you know what I mean, Vern......

Camp Bassfish | 03-06-2008 12:11 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping I remember that offer Andy and had it not been for the distance......1200 miles at least, I would have been on board. Damn nice offer on your part BTW.

<SLV> | 03-06-2008 12:14 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Focus on producing all of your own food and you won't need to stockpile.

Tn...Andy | 03-06-2008 12:22 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping That IS of course, step 2 in a process of self sufficiency.....and you would be kidding yourself to stop at step one. However, the most IMMEDIATE issue to do when you find yourself ass deep in a swamp full of alligators is NOT to worry about how you had planned to drain the swamp NEXT SPRING.

Professur | 03-06-2008 12:30 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Not to threadjack, but this does run a bit parallel. White tail cull in NJ Quote:
Most of the meat was donated to the Community FoodBank of New Jersey, where it would provide over 30,000 meals to the needy and homeless people, officials said. Hunters who logged a certain number of hours were allowed to take 40 pounds of meat.
One more emergency food source tagged by TPTB for those 'needy'.

Tn...Andy | 03-06-2008 12:44 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping WEST ORANGE, N.J. - Marksmen killed more than half of the estimated deer population at a northern New Jersey nature preserve during a culling last month that was sharply criticized by some residents and animal rights activists. Volunteer marksmen shot 213 of an estimated 300 to 400 white-tail deer in South Mountain Reservation, a 2,000-acre preserve that borders hundreds of high-priced homes in a crowded section of the nation's most densely populated state. Many animal rights activists and some residents criticized the hunt, saying it was dangerous to be shooting near populated areas and that the county should try other options to control the deer population, such as birth control. 300-400 deer on 2000 acres ? They were probably stripping the bark off trees and eating every rhodendren leaf in the place trying to stay alive. People need to understand with the natural predators pretty much gone, and hunting on the decline, overpopulation and starvation is what comes next.......something the top of the food chain will find also applies eventually. And conversely, people who plan on wild game to supply their food needs should the normal food system in this world break down are going to be sorely disappointed.....the deer population in the last Depresssion was so decimated that it took 30 years to make any kind of comeback. We didn't see wild turkey back in any real numbers here for 50 years.

<SLV> | 03-06-2008 12:47 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 998205) That IS of course, step 2 in a process of self sufficiency.....and you would be kidding yourself to stop at step one. However, the most IMMEDIATE issue to do when you find yourself ass deep in a swamp full of alligators is NOT to worry about how you had planned to drain the swamp NEXT SPRING.
I should rephrase my comment: Focus on producing your own food AND stockpile what you produce. Our garden this summer is calculated to produce enough food to feed my family for a year + 25%. We will can profusely. I will also try to put up several deer this fall. We are still eating the 2 I brought home last fall.

Abouthadit | 03-06-2008 12:49 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Hey TN-Andy: I guess I missed the last call for a group buy. Am in N GA so if'n ya'll does it agin, put me down.

Twisted Avatar | 03-06-2008 12:50 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 998172) People whine about missing the boat on PMs ( they haven't ).....well, you miss the FOOD BOAT, and you really ARE gonna have something to whine about.....but not for too long......if you know what I mean, Vern......
As eloquent as can said with the use of a bullhorn and soapbox to stand on!! Always telling it like it is andny. T

Tn...Andy | 03-06-2008 12:54 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping SLV, I totally agree, in principal, and in practice. However, see my comment above about game. And as a producer of food, you also know that is a skill long in coming, and subject to things beyond your control at times ( weather, pests, somebody stealing your produce, etc ).....thus food insurance. And for those just starting, or who may be overwhelmed with "guests", proccured storage is an option.

BigShiny | 03-06-2008 12:57 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 998172) Yep....shipping has gotten to be a BIG bite in the last few years.....that oil thing again...... That's why my last order was for about a ton and came motor freight......1960lbs for 400 bucks......and I could have gotten TWICE that for another 200. THAT is why I tried, in vain, to get a group order together on this, and 2 other boards. Not even a hint of interest except one guy on another board....and he was really too far away to be practical. It wasn't so much for me, as it would have helped others get theirs pretty cheap.....I was gonna do it ANYWAY.....and did....it might have cut a little off mine ( say 100 bucks if a group order would have been another ton) ....big damn deal....... Oh....yeah......did I mention there were a LOT of tire kickers and theorizers on the internet ? ahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa...... Like I said.....get it where you can, local, mailorder, whatever......cause I guaran-dadgum-tee ya, there ain't 3-4 months worth of food for the entire country out there in the supply system, much less 6mo-year. People whine about missing the boat on PMs ( they haven't ).....well, you miss the FOOD BOAT, and you really ARE gonna have something to whine about.....but not for too long......if you know what I mean, Vern......
BigShiny done good??:D

Merlin | 03-06-2008 01:06 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 998269) As eloquent as can said with the use of a bullhorn and soapbox to stand on!! Always telling it like it is andny. T
I hope that everyone reading this thread remembers that folks like Tn_Andy and SLV have acreage they can farm and the skills with which to do it. The vast majority of us, I suspect, are stuck in suburban-land with small backyard gardens. As well, some of us are elderly and in not particularly good health. The folks in my household fit this latter description. While I am looking forward to planting my seed potatoes and garden peas later this month and early April, I have to tell you honestly that the food supply we have stored helps me to sleep soundly at night. I started with the Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit and have added to it. We purchased a grain mill, learned how to bake bread from scratch and have even baked bread in a solar oven. We can and store food we have grown as well. I have a half dozen small onions left over from last fall even now. Every tiny step that you take to prepare yourself for the unexpected will help you to feel just that much more secure. Take heed. Tn_Andy knows what he's talking about. There's a host of situations where having food reserves would come in handy, even if the ultimate SHTF were never to happen. Get started if you haven't already.

Ash_Williams | 03-06-2008 04:26 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Quote:
Most likely they are getting covered up by calls from "window shoppers".....I'm not saying you are one, but there are a LOT of dreamers out here in internet land......tire kickers, great theorizers that never actually get around to DOING anything, and so on.....and as crunch time approaches, more and more of them come out of the woodwork.
I guess that explains the kind of service I was getting when asking suppliers about freeze dried foods. Basically no reply at all. I ended up ordering from some small reseller, which gave me a higher price but lower shipping cost and actually bothered to give me a quote in under 24 hours. All I wanted was to know the price, if they'd deliver, and then ordered... I haven't gotten past the second part of that with the bigger guys out there. I think it is frustrating on both sides right now as demand increases.

Ash_Williams | 03-06-2008 04:31 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Of course, if you expect things to go bad real soon, then there's always tons of canned foods at the supermarket. If the SHTF tomorrow, it doesn't matter if your food is good for another 30 years, the stuff that's good for a couple years is just as useful, and you can buy it tonight.

<SLV> | 03-06-2008 04:55 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 998275) SLV, I totally agree, in principal, and in practice. However, see my comment above about game. And as a producer of food, you also know that is a skill long in coming, and subject to things beyond your control at times ( weather, pests, somebody stealing your produce, etc ).....thus food insurance. And for those just starting, or who may be overwhelmed with "guests", proccured storage is an option.
Agreed. From what I've read of other SHTF situations, food shortages lasted weeks to months - not years. I have a pantry full of dry goods I didn't produce, and I think it is enough insurance for us. Too many people depend on the system. It takes a lot of effort, but it is possible to get out of the system (consumption) and depend on God (production). It might mean that a person has to relocate on 3-5 acres w/water. It might be "expensive", but I think it is highly rewarding. PS - Andy, where did you get your huge pressure canner that you put on the turkey fryer stand? I need to get me one of them!:D

Squirrel Bait | 03-06-2008 05:08 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping I would like to add something onto this line. Many little plots of land, be they gardens, or small fields can produce a lot of food. From early Spring to October. I have so many friends who have told me at the end of the year that their garden produced much more than they could consume. Over and over, I've seen lots of rotten food still sitting in gardens The problem IS NOT PRODUCTION, it is Preservation!!! How do you make the food you have grown last through the winter???? How do you ensure you have enough vitamin C so you don't get scurvy? Canning, drying, salting, root cellars, jams, preserves, dry grains, etc, etc,etc!!!! Refrigeration changed all this. It made it so easy we forgot how to do it the "other" way!! The pioneers didn't do this for fun, they did it so the people they loved wouldn't starve to death, or die of some malnourishment. Hard work? Yes. Learn how to PRESERVE the food you have grown!!!!!!! sb

bsdetector | 03-06-2008 08:32 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping You can build up that larder yourself for a fraction of the price. -JMO

Tn...Andy | 03-06-2008 08:48 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping SLV, That's an ALL American canner....model 941. Cheapest place I found it at the time I bought was here: http://www.redhillgeneralstore.com/OpcAA941.htm

marshac | 03-06-2008 11:53 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Not to threadjack, but just to chime in- if you haven't been buying and have been simply "kicking the tires", time is running out to buy items at a reasonable price. Awhile back there was a MH deal on Amazon- here is the result of that order- Quote:
Hello from Amazon.com. We are sorry to report that we will not be able to obtain the following item(s) from your order: "Mountain House #10 Can Turkey Tetrazzini (10 - 1 cup servings)" Though we had expected to be able to send this item to you, we've since found that it is not available from any of our sources at this time.
I have since re-ordered this (and others) from another supplier, but many many places seem to be running out of this stuff. Regardless of what you're thinking of doing for food storage, stop "kicking the tires" and just do it. :beer:

AMforPM | 03-07-2008 12:38 AM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping We also get our beans, salt and sugar at local groceries. We got some of our grain at the grocery store (Uncle Ben's rice because brown goes rancid here), some like grits, corn meal and steel cut oats from Honeyville, who has low shipping. We got freeze dried fruits and veggies from Honeyville too. We keep extra canned goods in rotation. We got some wonderful canned butter and cheese from safecastle. And we got some treats like canned Brown bread and preserves and pie filling. We add to our food preps each month in our regular grocery shopping. We are not sure whether to order any more big grain orders. We might order some wheat for sprouting. We don't like to bake wheat bread, and will make quick corn breads instead. The trouble with those package deals is that you may get some things your family does not like. By getting individual items you can select things your family likes better.

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WAoG | 03-07-2008 01:57 AM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash_Williams (Post 998651) Of course, if you expect things to go bad real soon, then there's always tons of canned foods at the supermarket. If the SHTF tomorrow, it doesn't matter if your food is good for another 30 years, the stuff that's good for a couple years is just as useful, and you can buy it tonight.
I hear some of this food goes rancid in like a couple of years or less? Some of everything seems to be the way to go.

Ash_Williams | 03-07-2008 09:13 AM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Quote:
I hear some of this food goes rancid in like a couple of years or less?
Yes of course. If you store grocery store stuff well you get a few years out of it before it comes unedible. My point was just that, if you think doomsday is next month, then instead of trying to order your mountain house (which may or may not be out of stock and may not arrive until after doomsday) you can just get a years worth of canned food at the local grocery store and you can do it this weekend. I mean, there's no advantage to having freeze dried food that's good for 30 years, if you're going to eat it all this summer anyway. That's how I see it. If you have nothing, why not at least load up on canned food while you play with the idea of getting some mountain house or wait for it to be shipped.

ProblemSolver | 03-07-2008 10:04 AM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping I have purchased from both Walton Feed, and from Emergency Essentials. My purchases from Walton Feed, however, were picked up on a vacation drive across the state, because shipping, unless you're ordering a (literal) ton of food is prohibitive. For smaller quantities, I like Emergency Essentials, because they have reasonable, fixed rate shipping (depends on order $$'s).

AMforPM | 03-07-2008 04:19 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping I'm in the do both camp. Here cooking oil goes off pretty fast so we put extra olive and sesame oil in the back of the fridge in square tupperware like containers that use the space well and let us dip spoonsful of the oil out easily for cooking though it is not liquid at that temperature. Dry beans, rice, raisins, dates, dry milk, salt, sugar, spices, olives, pickles, etc, are easily bought locally at the regular store, then we vacuum seal the beans and grains to stop weevils and put them in metal trash cans to defeat rodents. Also many grains can be bought locally at a co-op if you have one, or natural food store. That cuts out the high shipping cost as they get it by the truckload. Dry milk has a short shelf life. Honeyville sells a milk substitute that has a long storage life and has milk whey. (I think.) Protein powder for high protein 'milkshakes' is another thing we stock. In our experience it keeps well. We like the chocolate. So it is a protein boosting taste treat. Because of the wife's diabetes we now get the expensive Dr Atkins kind that will taste sweet but not set off her blood sugar. And keeping many months of canned goods and rotating them is part of our food plan too. All good ideas. If nothing goes wrong to make you need the extra canned goods, you got them before the next price increase, so it's a win-win option. Then ordering stuff from Honeyville for low shipping, taste testing Mt House and ordering recipes you like and can get is a good idea too. As Andy has pointed out before, in the fruits and veggies freeze dried are superior both in taste and nutrional value. They cost more, but IMO are worth it.

<SLV> | 03-08-2008 01:55 PM
Re: Walton Feed - 1 Year Basic Unit -$535 +shipping Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 999067) SLV, That's an ALL American canner....model 941. Cheapest place I found it at the time I bought was here: http://www.redhillgeneralstore.com/OpcAA941.htm
Awesome! :applause_ That one's coming to my place this summer. Canning and dehydrating are my preferred storage means (especially since we plan on living free of AC electricity).

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