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Conk | 07-31-2008 10:34 AM
New Findings for Long Term Food Storage New Findings for Longer-Term Food Storage http://www.providentliving.org/conte...4222-1,00.html Findings of recent scientific studies conducted by a team of researchers at Brigham Young University show that properly packaged, low-moisture foods stored at room temperature or cooler (75�F/24�C or lower) remain nutritious and edible much longer than previously thought. The studies, which are the first of their kind, increase the estimated shelf life for many products to 30 years or more (see chart for new estimates of shelf life). Previous estimates of longevity were based on "best-if-used-by" recommendations and experience. Though not studied, sugar, salt, baking soda (essential for soaking beans), and vitamin C in tablet form also store well long-term. Some basic foods do need more frequent rotation, such as vegetable oil every 1 to 2 years. While there is a decline in nutritional quality and taste over time, depending on the original quality of food and how it was processed, packaged, and stored, the studies show that even after being stored long-term, the food will help sustain life in an emergency. http://www.theideadoor.com/FoodStorage.html

buff01 | 07-31-2008 02:38 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage This makes me want to invest in an oil press and some olive trees...

Fullpower | 07-31-2008 03:23 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage Olive oil will store for a LONG time. Really long. I was eating 1940's vintage c-ration cans in 1974. once in A while we had a bulged can, or opened up an obviously BAD can, but mostly they were edible. ( we were young kids, playing "army", going camping, etc.)

mshen11 | 07-31-2008 03:25 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage i thought all oils go bad w/in a year due to their chemical structure

jamesfrancisco | 07-31-2008 04:53 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage I've had a bottle of olive oil for 6 years (I rarely cook with it), and used it about two weeks ago. Smelt fine, poured fine, and tasted fine. And I'd say that bottle has had the cap off and been open to air for around 1/4 of those 6 years - I am a lazy cook! This is in the UK, we don't get the hot temps like some parts of the US - but 6 years with 18 months exposed to air is fine in my book.

NINEX19 | 07-31-2008 08:24 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesfrancisco (Post 1217495) Smelt fine,
:D So it was fishy?

LukeNM | 07-31-2008 08:50 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage I have not read on a package of beans to soak them in baking soda? What is this about? Did I miss something? "baking soda (essential for soaking beans)"

Goldhedge | 07-31-2008 11:20 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeNM (Post 1217798) I have not read on a package of beans to soak them in baking soda? What is this about? Did I miss something? "baking soda (essential for soaking beans)"
essential for reducing flatulance... I soak the beans in baking soda overnight, then rinse.

mtnman | 07-31-2008 11:40 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldhedge (Post 1217958) essential for reducing flatulance... I soak the beans in baking soda overnight, then rinse.
Heck that takes away half the fun!

Conk | 08-01-2008 10:31 AM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesfrancisco (Post 1217495) I've had a bottle of olive oil for 6 years (I rarely cook with it), and used it about two weeks ago. Smelt fine, poured fine, and tasted fine. And I'd say that bottle has had the cap off and been open to air for around 1/4 of those 6 years - I am a lazy cook! This is in the UK, we don't get the hot temps like some parts of the US - but 6 years with 18 months exposed to air is fine in my book.
I assure you, this oil is RANCID. Fats are delicate and go bad quickly. Oxygen and light are the fats ememy. Even stored in dark and air tight, they will last only a year or so. They may seem edible, but are no longer healthful. Processing, light, and air conspire to change the electrical bonding. Once rancid there can no longer be an exchange of electrons from oil to cell in the body.

jamesfrancisco | 08-01-2008 02:09 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage I can assure YOU, it is not rancid. It is stored in the dark, yes, but has been airtight for only most of the 6 years. I know the taste of a rancid oil, fat, butter - and this is not rancid. Also, not all fats are delicate. Dairy derived fats are. And please stop trying to feed me the pseudo-science BS unless you have a source to back it up. In conclusion, shut your whore mouth, or provide sources to back up the rubbish you are claiming.

Conk | 08-01-2008 02:52 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesfrancisco (Post 1218759) I can assure YOU, it is not rancid. It is stored in the dark, yes, but has been airtight for only most of the 6 years. I know the taste of a rancid oil, fat, butter - and this is not rancid. Also, not all fats are delicate. Dairy derived fats are. And please stop trying to feed me the pseudo-science BS unless you have a source to back it up. In conclusion, shut your whore mouth, or provide sources to back up the rubbish you are claiming.
My whore mouth says the source is Dr. Johanna Budwig, the world's leading authority on fats. Her work is widely cited and most well respected. It is NOT pseudo-anything! Now go read the fabulous works of Dr. Budwig and then stick the books up your rancid arse!

aybesee123 | 08-01-2008 03:02 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by Conk (Post 1218819) My whore mouth says the source is Dr. Johanna Budwig, the world's leading authority on fats. Her work is widely cited and most well respected. It is NOT pseudo-anything! Now go read the fabulous works of Dr. Budwig and then stick the books up your rancid arse!
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...mouth952-1.jpg

Conk | 08-01-2008 03:15 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by aybesee123 (Post 1218832) http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/e...mouth952-1.jpg
:D Wicked right cross.

jamesfrancisco | 08-01-2008 04:45 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage Oh, you mean Dr. Budwig, who touted flax oil and cottage cheese as the cure for cancer, and was born in 1908? Things have come a Looooong way since then - and besides, she is dead and I am not. Sadly, her cures for cancer have been disproven repeatedly - by people dying. She was certainly a great woman, and some of her research into the effect of oils on the diet still stands, but a lot of what she published has since been shown to be smoke and mirrors.

Infidel | 08-02-2008 04:18 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage Times of crisis produce stress - possibly physical, but always mental. If you are suddenly forced to eat a diet both alien and monotonous, it is going to add that much more stress on top of what you are already dealing with. If your planning in- cludes the elderly, young children, and/or infants there is a significant risk they will quit eating or refuse to eat sufficient amounts of the right foods leaving them unable to survive. This is not a trivial problem and should be given serious consideration. When it�s wheat, day in and day out, wheat�s going to start becoming unpopular fast. Far better to have a variety of foods on hand to forestall appetite fatigue and, more importantly, to use those storable foods in your everyday diet so that you�ll be accustomed to eating them. In his book, Making the Best of Basics, James Stevens men- tions a post-WWII study by Dr. Norman Wright, of the Brit- ish Food Ministry, which found the people of England and Europe were more likely to reject unfamiliar or distasteful foods during times of stress than under normal conditions. Consider the positive aspects of adding variety and com- fort foods to your storage program.

Merlin | 08-02-2008 04:37 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldhedge (Post 1217958) essential for reducing flatulance... I soak the beans in baking soda overnight, then rinse.
Beans, when stored for long periods (more than, say, 8 or 9 years) harden and then become difficult to soften, even if you cook them all day long. Adding a couple of pinches of baking soda to the soaking/cooking water supposedly solves this problem. While it also destroys the B vitamins, these can be restored by adding a some yeast flakes to the beans just before serving. So the baking soda is good for more than just reducing flatulance. If you have really old beans and no baking soda, you might have to grind them to make them usable.

cosmolothrentas | 08-02-2008 05:40 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage 'Some basic foods do need more frequent rotation, such as vegetable oil every 1 to 2 years.' then vegetable oil is worthless to prepping. 1-2 months is not even short term storage. I did not know olive oil had such a long storage life though...good to know.

RatHoler | 08-02-2008 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by cosmolothrentas (Post 1220409) I did not know olive oil had such a long storage life though...good to know.
Nor did I....I have a bottle of Bertolli Olive Oil with an expiration date of April 09. Should I trust it? :confused_ma:

jamesfrancisco | 08-02-2008 07:55 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage I just had a big old bowl of pasta with lo-salt and 6 year old olive oil. Deeee-f*cking licious. Rancid? No. Real world experience > crap from books.

jamesfrancisco | 08-02-2008 07:57 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by RatHoler (Post 1220540) Nor did I....I have a bottle of Bertolli Olive Oil with an expiration date of April 09. Should I trust it? :confused_ma:
No, it'll be rancid and probably kil you.:D

Infidel | 08-02-2008 08:06 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21707258/ Salad dressing found in ancient shipwreck Researchers found 2,400-year-old remnants of olive oil and oregano The oregano may have done more than just flavor the oil. "If you go up into the hills of Greece today, the older generation of women know that adding oregano, thyme or sage not just flavors the oil, but helps preserve it longer," Foley said. The ancient Greeks may have used herbs � and the antioxidants in them � to intentionally help preserve the oil, and possibly accidentally helped preserve the DNA the researchers sampled more than two millennia later.

Conk | 08-04-2008 11:30 AM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesfrancisco (Post 1220559) I just had a big old bowl of pasta with lo-salt and 6 year old olive oil. Deeee-f*cking licious. Rancid? No. Real world experience > crap from books.
Yeah, we all know books are for losers. :confused_ma:Good luck dude, you need it. How old are you anyway, 10 or 11? And no way Budwig's work has been disproven. By whom? Corrupt conventional medicine?

GB1980 | 08-04-2008 01:20 PM
Re: New Findings for Long Term Food Storage Quote:
Originally Posted by Fullpower (Post 1217365) Olive oil will store for a LONG time. Really long. I was eating 1940's vintage c-ration cans in 1974. once in A while we had a bulged can, or opened up an obviously BAD can, but mostly they were edible. ( we were young kids, playing "army", going camping, etc.)
Ah yes, the old c-rations--know them well. You are right--I did the same in the 70's.

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