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Acr0phobic | 01-07-2010 12:12 AM
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Acr0phobic | 01-07-2010 09:10 AM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective Just confirms that the most dangerous thing in any crisis, is other people. The part where he stops the truck to give a water bottle to an young lady, only to attact the attention of a gang of thugs. Quote:
One young lady came up to the fire truck and asked if we had any water. She appeared not to be a threat so I pulled some water from the cooler and handed her a bottle. That was a mistake....or was it? Others saw what I had done. Another group started heading our way, tattooed with baggy pants, and shouting...then another....then some more, all coming for water. "Tell me we have clearance," I asked the firefighter. "We do now, " he said when he actually hadn't. Popping the hiss of the parking brake, he floored it and hit the sirens. The water zombies scattered cussing us in our diesel wash. I looked back with sympathy that wasn't received. I saw the girl go to protect her water bottle from the two angry youths. It pissed me off and I fired a warning shot in the air sending everybody scattering. Maybe it bought some time for the women to finish the bottle. "For water," I thought.
The best way to survive is to group up, arm up and stay with friends, strength in numbers. Loners won't have a chance, you have to sleep eventually.

JJ_ | 01-07-2010 12:45 PM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective This is a pretty good read... A fine (and I use "fine" loosely) example of American reaction to a SHTF situ. Quote:
Ben sat next to the body crying and moaning in the dark. The cops friends were behind us throwing furniture and beating the walls. I was in hell...the deepest, fiendish reaches of intrepetude. The cop was just told his family had drowned in the city's flood. Minutes later he had gone out on the balcony with his friends, pulled his gun and shot himself to death. Numb and frustrated, I threw the equipment out of my way and made for the exit. Ben followed behind me avoiding the desperate stares from the police. Looking to heaven, I said to the invisible god above, "you don't exist."
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God bless firefighters. I'll take a firefighter anyday over the damn police
heh..

FeS2 | 01-07-2010 01:07 PM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective wow! I guess we will see more of this.

ThomasJ1776 | 01-07-2010 03:29 PM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective That was a crazy read. Nice to see our MIC was still in good working order able to deploy Navy SEALs into an American city. I will plan my best to not ever have to ask the "government" for anything. I will do my best not to need their food, water, or "protection" in the form of jack booted thugs or trained killers rolling down my street.

3x3l3r8 | 01-07-2010 03:46 PM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective Quote:
Originally Posted by ThomasJ1776 (Post 2113676) That was a crazy read.
You guys are speed readers! I am reading it right now. "Enjoying" is not the right word, but I am gripped by it. Edit: I am in the middle of it now, where there are shooters in the mall at JCPenny's. I have video game imagery in my head.

Ishkabibble | 01-07-2010 05:07 PM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective This should be sticky, at least for a while. The knowledge within the experience is profound. For those who would be prepared for SHTF or worse, consider how your strategy applies to the threats here... and how you would better it after the read.

3x3l3r8 | 01-07-2010 05:14 PM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishkabibble (Post 2113816) This should be sticky, at least for a while. The knowledge within the experience is profound. For those who would be prepared for SHTF or worse, consider how your strategy applies to the threats here... and how you would better it after the read.
Absolutely. I just finished reading it. It sounds like war. The lack of available and accurate communication made everything so much worse. The next SHTF item I purchase should address the issue of communication.

ShortJohnSilver | 01-07-2010 08:54 PM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective Wow... amazing how crappy the cops acted at the hotel .. "to swerve and neglect" ...

MaxGravy | 01-07-2010 09:33 PM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective WOW! What a horrifying read. Thank you so much. Really opened my eyes. I'll definitely be re-prioritizing my monthly prep purchases. It's truly frightening what we humans are capable of.

hoarder | 01-07-2010 10:56 PM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective New Orleans ain't America, it's a cesspool and has been for decades. WTSHTF, make sure you're not stuck in some hell-hole like that.

SLV>GLD | 01-07-2010 11:20 PM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective Awesome read, thanks!

MetalMoney | 01-07-2010 11:36 PM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective Damn that was a long read. A good / informative one though. Thanks for the link!

AgAuGal | 01-07-2010 11:46 PM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective Quote:
Originally Posted by 3x3l3r8 (Post 2113838) Absolutely. I just finished reading it. It sounds like war. The lack of available and accurate communication made everything so much worse. The next SHTF item I purchase should address the issue of communication.
what would that communication item be???

Cassandra | 01-08-2010 12:24 AM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective Very gripping reading. Thanks for posting. Inspires me to step up my preps into even higher gear.

Ishkabibble | 01-08-2010 12:40 AM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective Quote:
Originally Posted by AgAuGal (Post 2114511) what would that communication item be???
I have an auto-sense 4 pack of 2-way radios with 7 mile effective radius. They aren't ideal, but they will work regardless of towers etcetera. They also take standard AAA batteries, which means less dependancy on a power grid. The other thing I have done is plan ahead for the channels we will use for communication. Nothing worse that chewing batteries and time scanning 50 channels for someone.

3x3l3r8 | 01-08-2010 10:36 AM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishkabibble (Post 2114579) I have an auto-sense 4 pack of 2-way radios with 7 mile effective radius. They aren't ideal, but they will work regardless of towers etcetera. They also take standard AAA batteries, which means less dependancy on a power grid. The other thing I have done is plan ahead for the channels we will use for communication. Nothing worse that chewing batteries and time scanning 50 channels for someone.
I have looked at similar walkie talkies but with slightly longer range, and I have a portable mini roll-up solar panel which can recharge it. Florida is flat, so the walkie talkies range is good, and Florida has plenty of sun for the solar. The people I want to be able to contact are within 10 miles. I really don't know what the best option would be . . . a HAM radio comes to mind. Don't laugh. I don't know anything about HAM, or whether it uses towers or what. I am concerned that I won't put the effort into learning how to use it if it is too complicated, or getting a license, or even maintaining a HAM presence. I can handle the mental challenge, but I prefer to use my time in other ways. In other words, you can call me lazy if you want, just don't call me stupid. :wink:

SLV>GLD | 01-08-2010 10:53 AM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective Quote:
Originally Posted by 3x3l3r8 (Post 2115116) I have looked at similar walkie talkies but with slightly longer range, and I have a portable mini roll-up solar panel which can recharge it. Florida is flat, so the walkie talkies range is good, and Florida has plenty of sun for the solar. The people I want to be able to contact are within 10 miles. I really don't know what the best option would be . . . a HAM radio comes to mind. Don't laugh. I don't know anything about HAM, or whether it uses towers or what. I am concerned that I won't put the effort into learning how to use it if it is too complicated, or getting a license, or even maintaining a HAM presence. I can handle the mental challenge, but I prefer to use my time in other ways. In other words, you can call me lazy if you want, just don't call me stupid. :wink:
HAM is all about understanding the principles of radio wave propagation. Once you have a true fundamental understanding of the principles you would select the appropriate frequency for the task at hand so as to design and then build a system that utilizes the correct antenna and amplification to accomplish the task and stay within regulatory requirements. A HAM radio can be anything from a 9V battery and some wire coiled around cardboard with a spark gap switch to a microphone on a headend amp attached to a specially designed clothes line to a colossal and refined very expensive classic radio setup.

Acr0phobic | 01-08-2010 11:53 AM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective My uncle operates my cities emergency HAM radio service. He always texts me about incoming events, or setting up independant lines of communication for police/etc. Last year a tornado clipped the city and brought down a stage in an outdoor festival. Within minutes the cell phone lines were blocked with traffic. He had to rush to work to setup the emergency radio lines so responders could communicate. If the office he works at was damaged in any way, responders would of been SOL. I imagine this is what happened with Katrina, everything was flooded, and the lines were not setup, or failed due to water. HAM operators can communicate around the world with a big enough antenna through Morse code. Once he let me listen to him pinging a satellite.

CajunCoin | 01-08-2010 02:27 PM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective Quote:
Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 2115156) HAM is all about understanding the principles of radio wave propagation. Once you have a true fundamental understanding of the principles you would select the appropriate frequency for the task at hand so as to design and then build a system that utilizes the correct antenna and amplification to accomplish the task and stay within regulatory requirements. A HAM radio can be anything from a 9V battery and some wire coiled around cardboard with a spark gap switch to a microphone on a headend amp attached to a specially designed clothes line to a colossal and refined very expensive classic radio setup.
Ham Radio is very easy to set up and obtain a license, several of us here are Ham Radio Ops, myself included, Golddust, Lt. Dan, Glass and several others. I lived KATRINA and found his read interesting, we were without power for over a month! Local landlines and Cell phones were kaput, sorry, I had to call California via 20 meters and pass messages to my Sister in Law and the family. I live Southeast of New Orleans so this is a timely and informative read. For Ham Radio info: www.arrl.org http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...ing&id=amateur http://www.w5yi.org/ Learn about commo and ham radio offers a civilian the most versitile methods available from Shortwave, Repeater Relays on VHF/UHF, Satellite and interlink systems. From Afgahastan to Zimbabwe, we cover it all.

Juandisimo | 01-09-2010 12:57 PM
Re: The untold story of Katrina, a medic's perspective That was a great read. In 93 we had a real blizzard in Atlanta and I was on duty when it hit. (paramedic) I worked for 72 hrs straight. Nothing was open and we ran out of diesel at one point. I went for 48 hours with nothing to eat or drink. I totally sympathize with this dude, we too were completely hung out to dry by the bosses.

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