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JJ_ | 03-06-2008 06:24 PM
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Iptuous | 03-06-2008 06:44 PM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market Quick! get me my checkbook! ... oh wait. it's against the law.......of THERMODYNAMICS! Did you notice the way the "engineer" blinked and swallowed hard as he vouched for it.....hehe...

Twisted Avatar | 03-06-2008 07:14 PM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market This will NEVER see the light of day.....a energy giant will buy the technology and mothball the project and if he "insits" on doing the right thing .....there is a tragic plane accident that is bound to happen. sad but true T

damoc | 03-06-2008 07:54 PM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market While i believe that we will rewrite the laws of physics I call BS investment scam the house would already be running on it

bsdetector | 03-06-2008 08:13 PM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market The inventors will one day disappear in a mock police car driven by black ops Zionist agents disguised as local Sheriffs to answer for charges of fraud filed by several big oil interest that were stupid enough to buy out the patent rights in order to suppress the ancient technology of Robert Tesla's inventions they bought previously in 1912. Oh, the horror of it all ...

Ash_Williams | 03-06-2008 08:39 PM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market Add this to the 600 or so other youtube videos of basically the same thing. Why do these people always want investors? You'd think if it they had a working model, some rich guy would be willing to pay anything for it.

JJ_ | 03-07-2008 09:01 AM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market Do not the Patents lend legitimacy to his discovery? I really dont know. If it is legit... BS wins the prize.....

Ash_Williams | 03-07-2008 09:05 AM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market I thought it said he was still applying for a patent. If he has a patent or patents, what is stopping him from building these generators and selling them? There is no need for investors.. I would gladly cover material costs and pay him an excellent rate to build me a generator that worked as he describes. Millions of other people would as well.

GOLD DUCK | 03-07-2008 09:27 AM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market QWAK,"When you STOP looking for FREE you START seeing REALITY!" --- aint nothing FREE especialy ENERGY! the DUCK

Squirrel Bait | 03-07-2008 10:07 AM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market Supposedly Tesla made a device that ran an electric car up to 80 mph without using the batteries it was originally disigned with. It used 12 vacuum tubes that were available during the 1920/30s. The engineers started making comments behind is back, due to his excentricity, so he got mad, removed it from the car and destroyed it. I guess Maxwell, provided the mathmatical presence of this energy but it was never investigated , except by Tesla. So it could be possible without changing the laws of physics. sb

shades2 | 03-07-2008 10:27 AM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market If it's like another neodymium magnet engine I've seen online, then it is certainly not over-unity, nothing we know of can be an over-unity energy producer, unless it has some way of tapping into electromagnetic or gravitational force, which has yet to be shown to be a reliable energy producing method, very small amounts of energy can in fact be produced using the earth's magnetic field, but it IS sourcing it's energy from a known source, not magically producing it, and does not require an input power source, much like a crystal radio set. These things can generate power, however with the following proviso... Energy has to be provided to magnetise the neodymium supermagnets, or NIB magnets as they are known in the first place. As time goes on these magnets lose their magnetism, particularly when operating in conditions with vibration, heat etc. You WILL have to replace these magnets periodically, perhaps every 2-3 years with this thing running continuously. That involves cost. There has to be a way to stop the engine locking-up, or it's going to be pretty useless, so usually there is another power source or battery required. Relying on local conditions and the earth's magnetic field flux to keep the thing out of balance is not really good enough. You have to pulse an electromagnetic field in a closely timed manner to keep the thing spinning. This is where the engineering comes in, it has to be precise and efficient or you end up with something that wastes or tries to use more power than it produces. It would be interesting to get one of these on the bench and see how much power output is actually produced, and whether it is useful, or whether it is just enough to power a ceiling fan... Finally, companies like GE, and many other power producing companies would hate to see something like this get a leg up, unless they own and control it, so the bankers will be hesitant to upset the applecart. They will have a bunch of pissed-off coal/oil and power generation investors on their hands overnight. With China's energy demands, it may be forced on them anyway. So what are the advantages of this generator if it's real and viable? 1. Energy can be put into the NIB magnets which act as an energy storage sink in the device at a central manufacturing plant. en mass, quickly and efficiently with minimal energy wasted. 2. Generator gets installed at house, office, apartments, showrooms or light industry, no need for transmission lines and power generators. 3. No energy loss from transmission lines, this is a major factor in power generation and lots of energy is lost in the system, which means more pollution to produce wasted energy. 4. No problem with large scale grid blackouts, trees, lightning, snow etc. cannot bring down the power system as the grid is powered by hundreds of thousands of units. Few single points of failure. 5. Excess energy produced can be piped back into the grid which presumably the owner can charge someone for. 6. Simple emergency electrical work, a house can be fully and safely powered down at one location without affecting anyone else. 7. Off-grid living suddenly totally viable, but I'm sure everyone here has thought about that first. Hot showers, running water, water pumps, lighting, electric devices and globes/LEDs, TV, computer, washing machines, all off-grid. Would I invest in it? Unlikely, I'd wait until it's independently tested, but then every man and his dog will jump on it if it works... would be the biggest share ever seen in the world, would make Microsoft and others look like nothing. Is it free energy? No way. Is it a highly efficient use of energy and a great idea? Sure.

TechGuy | 03-07-2008 06:50 PM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market Most of the magnet motor designs I have seen use magnetic repulsion. Magnets is continual opposition will degrade very quickly. Even if you managed to get this thing running for a few minutes in a true self sustaining fashion, it is impossible for the magnets to retain 100% power for very long.

Glass | 03-07-2008 07:54 PM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market there are defiantely some smarts on this site. It does look a lot like similar rare earth magnet machines I have read about on the net. The most prominent "other" one seems to be a scam based on the material I have read. The guy who invented it ducks and weaves everytime they (investors) get him close to having it tested. He certainly has come down with some amazing diseases..... poor guy but as to this one, looks similar in concept to me. The rare earth magnets are just sources of potential energy and my guess is they expect those magnets to retain some power for a decade or more. I guess thats possible. The main problem I have is not with the device but with the people involved. They come from a state in Australia that is renowned for shonky deals and dodgy people. Sorry if you are from there but better you learn this now. The rest of Australia are cautious about people from that state because they are considered to be scammers by everyone else in Australia. You do business in that state at your own risk because they have a unique view of what integrity and honesty is.... wow character assasination or what. Perhaps they just adhere to buyer beware more than the rest of us. So it is no surprise to see some new "amazing" technology coming from there but I expect it to turn to nothing but a pocket emptying exercise for investors. good to see naiomi in usual good form... nothing changes really does it.

shades2 | 03-08-2008 03:13 AM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market Quote:
Originally Posted by Glass (Post 1000909) there are defiantely some smarts on this site. It does look a lot like similar rare earth magnet machines I have read about on the net. The most prominent "other" one seems to be a scam based on the material I have read. The guy who invented it ducks and weaves everytime they (investors) get him close to having it tested. He certainly has come down with some amazing diseases..... poor guy but as to this one, looks similar in concept to me. The rare earth magnets are just sources of potential energy and my guess is they expect those magnets to retain some power for a decade or more. I guess thats possible. The main problem I have is not with the device but with the people involved. They come from a state in Australia that is renowned for shonky deals and dodgy people. Sorry if you are from there but better you learn this now. The rest of Australia are cautious about people from that state because they are considered to be scammers by everyone else in Australia. You do business in that state at your own risk because they have a unique view of what integrity and honesty is.... wow character assasination or what. Perhaps they just adhere to buyer beware more than the rest of us. So it is no surprise to see some new "amazing" technology coming from there but I expect it to turn to nothing but a pocket emptying exercise for investors. good to see naiomi in usual good form... nothing changes really does it.
Hehe, makes good filler though for a current affairs program... I'll believe it when it is independently tested, and is put into production. I'm not saying these things are impossible by a long shot, maglev trains etc are a reality, but as you quite rightly indicate, there have been a lot of scammers from that state, and some with criminal records. So everything should be taken with a healthy dose of salt until proven.

shades2 | 03-08-2008 03:15 AM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market Japanese Maglev, 581km/h / 361mp/h YouTube - Japanese Maglev, 581km/h
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bsdetector | 03-08-2008 02:10 PM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 999858) Energy has to be provided to magnetise the neodymium supermagnets, or NIB magnets as they are known in the first place. As time goes on these magnets lose their magnetism, particularly when operating in conditions with vibration, heat etc. You WILL have to replace these magnets periodically, perhaps every 2-3 years with this thing running continuously. That involves cost.
Actually, they degauss within minutes. The energy is extracted from the magnets. Another wind-up toy seeking investors.

buff01 | 03-08-2008 02:47 PM
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GoldWampum | 03-08-2008 03:03 PM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market I have no problem believing that someone could set up permanent magnetism to turn a rotor, but once it is loaded, it's all over.

GOLD DUCK | 03-08-2008 03:03 PM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market QWAK,Years ago I was experimenting with RARE EARTH MAGNETS and could buy them from surplus dealers. I always assumed they came out of old generators,even as take outs they were not cheep about $8.00 each as I remember. Don't know how many would be needed in a generator but changing them could be a REAL problem as they realy ARE incredably powerfull!!! The ones I was playing with were about 9/16" thick about 1.5" long and trapazoid shaped and would lift a 25Lb iron DUMB BELL easaly! They can also BITE you if you get your hand between IT and a chunk of steel! If you got one in each hand they each pull with 25Lb. force so can be real bad for fingers!:wink: Fun to play with, made lots of magnetic sculptures:s9: with that much power holding the parts together and how the diferent shapes are influenced by the magnitisem one can get real creative! Stick one in your pocket and instent HOLSTER ,I had a 44 black powder on there and as long as the pants held up the pistel did TOO!:hahaha: They are also very britle and easly broken if two of them slam together they can shatter or chip badly. the DUCK

shades2 | 03-09-2008 08:15 AM
Re: The Generator that will probably never make it to the market Quote:
Originally Posted by bsdetector (Post 1001789) Actually, they degauss within minutes. The energy is extracted from the magnets. Another wind-up toy seeking investors.
That's interesting, from what I read previously I was told a couple of years, I'll have to go and check the source on that. Thanks...

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