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shades2 | 07-22-2008 07:30 AM
Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? I have certain talents, but I've never been fully rewarded for them in my working life. I'm sick of being downtrodden, and treated badly by others, having to put up with idiots, and selfish individuals, and I want out. Is it wrong to turn my back on the world, to leave it behind. The more I think about it, the more it seems to be the right course of action.

kiwi_envoy | 07-22-2008 07:39 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? But where can you go Shades? To escape tax etc is a very hard thing to do. What do you have in mind? :bull-buddy-icon:

Victor | 07-22-2008 07:39 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Your not the only one feeling that way.

Twisted Avatar | 07-22-2008 07:47 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? If you "Turn your back on the world" make sure yo have a activity that will engage you just as much or more of the thing you were doing prior. If you dont ......... you will start to shrink........and shirking is dying. If that activity cannot be replaced........maybe in your staying you are serving a higher purpose that you do not understand as of yet. T

ajrocks | 07-22-2008 07:49 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? watch old grizzly Adams or swiss family Robinson.....they left the world for peace in the wilderness

Avalon | 07-22-2008 08:00 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? I have fantasies about leaving civilization and heading to the mountains and being a hermit. I have too many obligations to do that but it sure is a nice idea... I still may do it some day.. My Sister did do it. She moved to a remote area of the Montana mountains. She only lived there a year before her unexpected death but she seemed quite happy. She ended up bonding with her neighbors. People in remote areas sometimes do that. She also made some like minded friends on her part time job. Everyone in the area seems to respect the others need for isolation and privacy so it was OK. People in that are are really deep into survivalist lifestyle. Most of them are literally ready for a nuclear war.. Shades it just really depends on your personality. Some people wither up and some people thrive alone.. I do think too much isolation can make you weird though. There are several people here who live in remote places. Maybe they can give you some input.

shades2 | 07-22-2008 08:08 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1203593) Shades it just really depends on your personality. Some people wither up and some people thrive alone.. I do think too much isolation can make you weird though. There are several people here who live in remote places. Maybe they can give you some input.
Oh, I'm already wierd, so that doesn't matter too much. :) I've lived in a city for most of my life, and I yearn to be rid of it I guess.

Glass | 07-22-2008 08:19 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? you know, if everyone feels like that and acted like that there would be a whole lot of us out there...... so what would we have? just like everything else, we would have what we make of it. There are many millions of people across the various continents that have already done this. Some are part of religious communities, some are not. Take a close look, you will find people setting up various communities. Check some out and see whats what. Go it alone or find like minded souls. up to you

kiwi_envoy | 07-22-2008 08:22 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Shades2, keep your net connection so you can plug into GIM and keep us updated. :s9:

Mone | 07-22-2008 08:46 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Peace is something I have found to be elusive; closer every year though not close enough. Every man has a right to peace. Not every man wants or needs it. Any who need it likely deserve it; the need is a result of receiving excessive bullshit, imo. If you find it good for you- don't stop trying because of the selfish around you. If you don't strive to find the peace you'll go postal... :D YouTube - Network - &quot;I'm as mad as hell&quot; speech [english subtitles]
YouTube - Network - &quot;I'm as mad as hell&quot; speech [english subtitles]

jaybone | 07-22-2008 08:51 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Self reliance is a de facto escape from the world. Not only for necessities either; if you can find peace being alone with your thoughts, and can find intellectual stimulation through solitary activities, you need no one. I hate getting ripped off by mechanics, so I learned how to fix my cars I dont like getting haircuts, so I grow it long, or use my flowbee I find most restaurants stink, so I learned to cook as I like. Most of all, if you can find the strength within to not require legitimization from others, you may find you have all you need right between your ears.

Avalon | 07-22-2008 09:05 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 1203600) Oh, I'm already weird, so that doesn't matter too much. :) I've lived in a city for most of my life, and I yearn to be rid of it I guess.
Shades, did you see the results of the personality test on the general board last week? It seems GIM has attracted an disproportionate amount of several rather introverted and unique personality types. The results of the test did not surprise me at all. There's a good chance many here have been considered weird, unique or "not rowing with two oars" most of their life.. Still a life of isolation does require a specific personality type. I can certainly understand you wanting to get out of the city though. The city is a nice place to visit but I could not imagine living there. Maybe if you did live in a more remote area like my sister you would find more like minded people the way she did. I wish I had the answers because its a really complex subject. People come into a lifetime to learn different lessons. Sometimes its easier to drop out rather then live through the pain and struggle and learn the lesson. On the other hand some people come in to have healing lifetimes and they require a lot of isolation and time in nature. No easy answers on this question..

Mone | 07-22-2008 09:16 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1203679) Shades, did you see the results of the personality test on the general board last week? It seems GIM has attracted an disproportionate amount of several rather introverted and unique personality types. The results of the test did not surprise me at all. There's a good chance many here have been considered weird, unique or "not rowing with two oars" most of their life.. Still a life of isolation does require a specific personality type.
I did not see the test but know my results already. My life has always been about seeing the crowd standing in line while I look for a back door or window (figurative). I may fit in around here (maybe) but J6P is an eedyot. I mean this in the nicest possible way, of course... :D YouTube - How Sweet To Be An Idiot
YouTube - How Sweet To Be An Idiot

Avalon | 07-22-2008 09:41 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by Mone (Post 1203701) I did not see the test but know my results already. My life has always been about seeing the crowd standing in line while I look for a back door or window (figurative). I may fit in around here (maybe) but J6P is an idiot. I mean this in the nicest possible way, of course... :D YouTube - How Sweet To Be An Idiot
Mone, LOL My husband is an extreme extrovert and the Daughters and I are introverts. When we go out in public he is always heading to the large group of people and we are looking for isolated corners to hide in.

Saul Mine | 07-22-2008 09:42 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes you need to keep an eye on the jerks!

BellevueBully | 07-22-2008 10:27 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1203679) Shades, did you see the results of the personality test on the general board last week? It seems GIM has attracted an disproportionate amount of several rather introverted and unique personality types. The results of the test did not surprise me at all. There's a good chance many here have been considered weird, unique or "not rowing with two oars" most of their life.. Still a life of isolation does require a specific personality type. I can certainly understand you wanting to get out of the city though. The city is a nice place to visit but I could not imagine living there. Maybe if you did live in a more remote area like my sister you would find more like minded people the way she did. I wish I had the answers because its a really complex subject. People come into a lifetime to learn different lessons. Sometimes its easier to drop out rather then live through the pain and struggle and learn the lesson. On the other hand some people come in to have healing lifetimes and they require a lot of isolation and time in nature. No easy answers on this question..
Av, You are a gem.....this is a great post. Shades2, I wish I had an answer for you also, but the fact that you are thinking and willing to make change speaks volumes about you. No big changes are ever easy to make but in the end often produce wonderful results. The best advice I can give is to seek advice/council from those who you respect and have proven themselve to be good decision makers, and to be patient and steadfast in your convictions, which will give you the endurance to fulfill the desire for change in your life. Best wishes to you.

Silver Shield | 07-22-2008 10:36 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Isn't that what Atlas Shrugged all about? I am going to live more simply and make less, because I am not rewarded for my time and talents. We live in a collectivist society that steals from the productive. I feel that 90% of the US's lifestyle relies on the hard work and effort of the other 10%. When the system collapses, those with capital (gold and silver) and smarts will only go back to work when a just capitalist system is re-established ( low taxes, low regulation) Cheers on your choice!

Black Blade | 07-22-2008 10:50 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 1203572) I have certain talents, but I've never been fully rewarded for them in my working life. I'm sick of being downtrodden, and treated badly by others, having to put up with idiots, and selfish individuals, and I want out. Is it wrong to turn my back on the world, to leave it behind. The more I think about it, the more it seems to be the right course of action.
You just have the wrong attitude. The world is pure entertainment for my benefit. It should be for your entertainment as well. There are 6 billion monkeys here on this blue ball whose sole purpose is to provide us with comedy - sometimes dark comedy. So open a few cold ones and enjoy. So just "go with it" and have a few laughs. Let the monkeys entertain and meanwhile you live your life while preparing for you and yours future needs. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/a15KgyXBX24&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/a15KgyXBX24&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

Squirrel Bait | 07-22-2008 10:53 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1203679) Shades, did you see the results of the personality test on the general board last week? It seems GIM has attracted an disproportionate amount of several rather introverted and unique personality types. The results of the test did not surprise me at all. There's a good chance many here have been considered weird, unique or "not rowing with two oars" most of their life.. Still a life of isolation does require a specific personality type. I can certainly understand you wanting to get out of the city though. The city is a nice place to visit but I could not imagine living there. Maybe if you did live in a more remote area like my sister you would find more like minded people the way she did. I wish I had the answers because its a really complex subject. People come into a lifetime to learn different lessons. Sometimes its easier to drop out rather then live through the pain and struggle and learn the lesson. On the other hand some people come in to have healing lifetimes and they require a lot of isolation and time in nature. No easy answers on this question..
Avalon, hey, do you have the link to this? I can't find it. Guess I missed it. Just been a little busy. That's a good thing though!! :s9: Shades, I don't have a problem turning my back on the world, however, I will never turn my back on my neighbors and friends. And there is always someone who might need help(Hell, it might be me someday!!). But I refuse to be altruistic about it. Those situation will present themselves. These might actually be two different scenarios, I'm not sure. But I will agree the world is one messed up place.

jaybone | 07-22-2008 10:59 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Mone, A bit of advice; Embrace yourself! If that means being a quiet, contemplative being then fully enjoy being that way. Weird is good! weird means that you THINK. Weird means that you value truth more than conformity, weird is a sign of great courage and should be worn as a badge of honor. I wrestled with trying to be a more outgoing person, and thought for years that something was wrong with me. Fitting in is overrated. Now, the flipside feeds into what Black Blade has said; treat life as an experience. Take in what you like and simply leave the rest behind. IF the world frustrates you, then is the problem with the world or is the problem your perception OF the world (ie frustration). IMO the world cannot be changed, other human beings cannot be changed, all an individual can do is help others change themselves. What you can change is your own perception; frustration and disgust can become entertainment quite easily if you just change your perception.

Squirrel Bait | 07-22-2008 11:10 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Nevermind, I found the link to the personallity test. What if I don't pass?? s

shades2 | 07-22-2008 11:16 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Thanks for all the constructive comments. I have a bit more to think about now...

shades2 | 07-22-2008 11:21 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Shield (Post 1203834) Isn't that what Atlas Shrugged all about? I am going to live more simply and make less, because I am not rewarded for my time and talents. We live in a collectivist society that steals from the productive. I feel that 90% of the US's lifestyle relies on the hard work and effort of the other 10%. When the system collapses, those with capital (gold and silver) and smarts will only go back to work when a just capitalist system is re-established ( low taxes, low regulation) Cheers on your choice!
Pretty much on the money really. I don't think I'm alone either. For many others too I think the system has reached a breaking point, and rather than rail against it, and try to fight an incoming tide, sometimes it is better to stop back and think "Why is this so hard, what am I fighting so hard to achieve?". Time to shrug... Letting the system, (as I know it) fail, and removing a cog in the machine, might be doing everyone a favour in the long-term. We are in a world that is out of balance, the only way to set it straight is not to participate in the way that those who would have us do so in order to maintain its un-natural order...

jedemdasseine | 07-22-2008 12:03 PM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? I know how you feel, shades. No one gives a flying ____ about my talents, either. I'm sick of the system and want a way out. Maybe we'll end up neighbors? Follow your heart.

GreenSpirit | 07-22-2008 02:40 PM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by jaybone (Post 1203869) Mone, A bit of advice; Embrace yourself! If that means being a quiet, contemplative being then fully enjoy being that way. Weird is good! weird means that you THINK. Weird means that you value truth more than conformity, weird is a sign of great courage and should be worn as a badge of honor. I wrestled with trying to be a more outgoing person, and thought for years that something was wrong with me. Fitting in is overrated. Now, the flipside feeds into what Black Blade has said; treat life as an experience. Take in what you like and simply leave the rest behind. IF the world frustrates you, then is the problem with the world or is the problem your perception OF the world (ie frustration). IMO the world cannot be changed, other human beings cannot be changed, all an individual can do is help others change themselves. What you can change is your own perception; frustration and disgust can become entertainment quite easily if you just change your perception.
+1 :bull-buddy-icon:

Avalon | 07-22-2008 03:56 PM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Bait (Post 1203882) Nevermind, I found the link to the personality test. What if I don't pass?? s
SB, let me know how how you score on the test.. better yet bump up the thread if you get a chance.. Im curious if you are one of GIMs wild and rare extroverts..

hypervel | 07-22-2008 05:25 PM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Turn away, my friend. As long as you're not looking at offing yourself. That's NOT ok....well not from where I sit anyway. There's no "America's Got Talent" for practical, innovative, reasonable people. Nobody's gonna slap your ass after you finish something and say,"Nice solution, baby! Keep it up!" I work as an electrical mechanic. Even when I crap pure magic, I get paid the same after the day ends and still nobody recognizes what it took to do the job. What else can you expect from semi-literate morons? AND YES, THEY ARE THE ONES IN CHARGE!!! ( wut r yuh bitchin bout? yuh get paid donya? ):dong:

Bajan_Man | 07-22-2008 06:11 PM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 1203572) I have certain talents, but I've never been fully rewarded for them in my working life. I'm sick of being downtrodden, and treated badly by others, having to put up with idiots, and selfish individuals, and I want out. Is it wrong to turn my back on the world, to leave it behind. The more I think about it, the more it seems to be the right course of action.
Can't turn your back on the world as you still live in it (unless you want to become a hermit..). Just about everything you face in life is common to all - you must just find the means to rise above it all and keep pressing forward..... 1 Peter 4:12 12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: :D:D:D:D:D

oz in sc | 07-22-2008 07:48 PM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? There are thousands of peopel who want to do the same thing,and quite a few who end up doing it. We plan to provide as much of our own needs as possible to avoid having to be involved with society. An added benefit is when you do this,by the measure of society you are poor and therefore don't have to pay into the system. I have this book somewhere and it was an eyeopener as to what is possible on a very small amount of land. Amazon.com: The Self-sufficient Life and How to Live It: John Seymour, Deirdre Headon: Books Amazon The more people shrug off this society the sooner it stops existing.

Unclad Lad | 07-23-2008 01:08 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? If you're turning your back on the world, does this mean you'll finally stop bugging us? :aetsch:

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shades2 | 07-23-2008 07:17 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by Unclad Lad (Post 1205035) If you're turning your back on the world, does this mean you'll finally stop bugging us? :aetsch:
Oh that's cold. Actually, it is turning the back on MY world. Everyone has a different perception of what that is, and in what level of comfort they want to live. Anyway, I'm still formulating my plot... so things are in flux. I don't believe in being a luddite, and I do enjoy teh Interwebs. So maybe I'll have a satellite link or similar, but it won't be a big part of who I am anymore. =)

wille | 07-25-2008 12:52 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Shades take a break -- get out of your county , state, go to europe for 2 weeks-- just get out for a bit-- Look, us/we Americans shit all over eachother. We take eachother for granted, if were pissed off we dont give a hoot if we not cordial. In otherwords living here -we are a big family USA-- families screw up and get disfunctional . Americans may treat you like shyte but that dosent mean they hate you--- It means were americans and we act pissed off all the time but we pull together for our own when needed 24/7. Let me put it another way-- Just because someone dosent measure up but is an honest person and is sincere and trying, will get their ass kicked and chastised and treated without a lot of respect , but is still included. To tired to write more--- 16 hour days are makin my wallet heavy--- tard.....

Avalon | 07-25-2008 09:29 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by Unclad Lad (Post 1205035) If you're turning your back on the world, does this mean you'll finally stop bugging us? :etoch:
Not nice Unclad.. People really suffer with this stuff. My Sister did, She was so off the chain she made me look like an extrovert. Sometimes people have to struggle to find their place in the world. Sometimes they have to create it. Personally I think extroverts have little compassion for extremely introverted people. Speaking of bugging people most extrovents I know will talk you into a coma...

Avalon | 07-25-2008 09:32 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 1205182) Oh that's cold. Actually, it is turning the back on MY world. Everyone has a different perception of what that is, and in what level of comfort they want to live. Anyway, I'm still formulating my plot... so things are in flux. I don't believe in being a Luddite, and I do enjoy teh Interwebs. So maybe I'll have a satellite link or similar, but it won't be a big part of who I am anymore. =)
Why not and make some small changes first and get a feel for what life in an isolated would be like. It sounds like a time for a vacation to an area you think you might want to settle in.. Consider it an investment in your future..

Bajan_Man | 07-25-2008 10:02 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1208654) Speaking of bugging people most extrovents I know will talk you into a coma...
Tell me about it:banghead:. Infact, don't even bother to tell me about it.....:no_ma:

Avalon | 07-25-2008 10:14 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajan_Man (Post 1208694) Tell me about it:banghead:. Infact, don't even bother to tell me about it.....:no_ma:
The very worst has to be when you are trapped in an airplane with them.. I was held hostage in a airplane seat next to a lady who never shut up for 5 hours. I even pretended to be asleep, put my ipod in my ears and rarely responded. She just kept talking.. Her husband was sitting next to her blissfully reading a book. I caught his eye one time. He had a sly smile on his face and the look said "its your turn to suffer Sucker". By the time the plane landed my head was throbbing.. I have a new strategy on planes. If I sit next to a person like this I pretend I am deaf.

oz in sc | 07-25-2008 10:31 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? At my former job I would be doing something and others would come in and start talking to me....I would tell them don't they have any work to do and if they needed it I could find something for them. There seems to exist people who CANNOT live without some sort of 'noise' in their lives,either from their own mouth or from others.

GoldenPoet | 07-25-2008 10:48 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 1203572) I have certain talents, but I've never been fully rewarded for them in my working life. I'm sick of being downtrodden, and treated badly by others, having to put up with idiots, and selfish individuals, and I want out. Is it wrong to turn my back on the world, to leave it behind. The more I think about it, the more it seems to be the right course of action.
My best advice: Leave the USA behind. Why live in a place where people reduce you to what you do, who constantly compete for ego gratification? It's a culture designed by TPTB to humiliate and grade everyone. Even the "winners" lose because they are used to whip the "losers". Why live among a culture who adore and emulate selfish narcissists? I left long ago, live a simple life, look out on mountains with not a single house in sight. No it is not wrong to leave the systemites and the system to sink. What do you owe them? NOTHING.

oz in sc | 07-25-2008 10:53 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenPoet (Post 1208756) My best advice: Leave the USA behind. Why live in a place where people reduce you to what you do, who constantly compete for ego gratification? It's a culture designed by TPTB to humiliate and grade everyone. Even the "winners" lose because they are used to whip the "losers". Why live among a culture who adore and emulate selfish narcissists? I left long ago, live a simple life, look out on mountains with not a single house in sight. No it is not wrong to leave the systemites and the system to sink. What do you owe them? NOTHING.
Where do you live? We plan to 'drop out'(disgusting hippy phrase) of society but remain physically in the USA. Simply become one of the great unwashed by classification but do what you want in reality. Funny what was considered poor and unfortunate-raising your own food,living without all the mod cons and doodads is so foreign to people nowadays.

Silverstone | 07-25-2008 11:50 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? My phrase Shades for what you just said is "I want off the rat wheel and away from the rats!".

shades2 | 07-25-2008 01:58 PM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverstone (Post 1208822) My phrase Shades for what you just said is "I want off the rat wheel and away from the rats!".
Pretty much. There are nice people, but even they are affected in the system just to survive in it and become rat-like. Well I'm off for a couple of weeks overseas, so will be interesting. I will get some pictures hopefully for the forum.

Unclad Lad | 07-30-2008 01:13 AM
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Not nice Unclad.. People really suffer with this stuff.
Few more than I. :aetsch: was meant to signify a joke.

Silver001 | 07-31-2008 05:53 PM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? I usually just read but this article by a Russian that went thru the collapse of the USSR 17 yrs ago is very interesting reading. http://www.energybulletin.net/node/23259

Between The Wheels | 08-02-2008 02:17 AM
Re: Is it wrong to turn my back on the world? Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver001 (Post 1217578) I usually just read but this article by a Russian that went thru the collapse of the USSR 17 yrs ago is very interesting reading. http://www.energybulletin.net/node/23259
Thanks, good post. The CCCP of the 1970s would appear to be not as repressive as we were lead to believe. We in the U.S. are not as free as we are told. Comparing the two is saddening- the prognosis for this country is not good.

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