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R MacDonald | 03-22-2007 06:47 PM
Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? This has been cooking my noodle for about a week now. I am thinking that the wilderness areas in the Pacific Northwest is the best, but have not looked, or lived near other WAs. Our family's requirements would be: Naturally renewing water source such as a stream or non stagnant lake Lots of edible plants and herbs Maybe an access river Heavily forested Fins, feathers, and fur quarry Not too extreme on the winter Usable timber for fire and shelter that can be harvested by a single man I will probably think of more stuff as this thread progresses.

Tn...Andy | 03-22-2007 06:53 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? You may have noticed the day of the mountain man is over...and the sodbusters won...... You'd be better off, IMHO, with a plot of good farmland and get to practicing "5 acres and Independence" http://www.amazon.com/Five-Acres-Ind.../dp/0486209741

R MacDonald | 03-22-2007 06:57 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 548147) You may have noticed the day of the mountain man is over......and the sodbusters won...... You'd be better off, IMHO, with a plot of good farmland and get to practicing "5 acres and Independence" http://www.amazon.com/Five-Acres-Ind.../dp/0486209741
The "land barons" have returned though. Banks around here will not loan to the "unwashed masses" on bare land, and we don't have the 5-20 thousand an acre to buy it outright. Any time a good deal emerges, the greedy, deep pocket Realtors are all over it like vultures.

citizenkane | 03-22-2007 07:04 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? check east of the mountains in wa... both north and south pretty cheap and uncrowded.

R MacDonald | 03-22-2007 07:07 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? Quote:
Originally Posted by citizenkane (Post 548154) check east of the mountains in wa... both north and south pretty cheap and uncrowded.
I already live there, and the Californicated money grubbers beat me to the land. Cheap land is gone forever... http://www.tlcland.com/properties/nine_mile_ranch.shtml

Tn...Andy | 03-22-2007 07:26 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? Twenty acres for 42k ain't a bad price, Mac.....especially considering the power is already in place I take it. IF you have water, or the area is know for well depth pretty much, that's a bargain compared to most of the country. Some of the lots are cut up crappy ( #30-35 for example).....you'd have to buy two or three to assure some privacy, but the more 'square' pcs, and at the end of the road, would be my choice. I'd also be a little concerned about the "wildlife refuge" deal.....there might be more restrictions on the property that I could live with....but if 'developed' property is going for that, I would think there would be raw land even cheaper.

R MacDonald | 03-22-2007 07:33 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? Here's some more cons... http://www.tlcland.com/properties/ BTW: They "hold" your timber and mineral rights.

R MacDonald | 03-22-2007 07:35 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 548167) Twenty acres for 42k ain't a bad price, Mac.....especially considering the power is already in place I take it. IF you have water, or the area is know for well depth pretty much, that's a bargain compared to most of the country. Some of the lots are cut up crappy ( #30-35 for example).....you'd have to buy two or three to assure some privacy, but the more 'square' pcs, and at the end of the road, would be my choice. I'd also be a little concerned about the "wildlife refuge" deal.....there might be more restrictions on the property that I could live with....but if 'developed' property is going for that, I would think there would be raw land even cheaper.
That is high for the area. Also water drilling can cost more than the property is worth out here. BTW: They "hold" your timber and mineral rights.

hoarder | 03-22-2007 07:38 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? Although the Northwest is beatiful and mostly free of mosquitoes and snakes, the areas around the Appalachians and the Ozarks are not only less expensive but much better suited for growing crops and orchards as they have much more rainfall. Hardwoods are better suited for heating homes, springs and creeks are much more abundant, there is less chance of catastrophic fire and the winters are milder. Take a good look at Southern Missouri and Eastern/Northern Tennessee The Californians have not discovered them yet. I'll probably end up in the Northwest anyway.

Tn...Andy | 03-22-2007 07:38 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? Quote:
Originally Posted by R MacDonald (Post 548175) BTW: They "hold" your timber and mineral rights.
Nah.....don't think I'd be buying there.....it's either mine to do pretty much as I please, or it isn't. Starting to sound a lot like big parcels with an HOA....what a nightmare.

RealJack | 03-22-2007 07:39 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? I'm not sure what you mean by wilderness, but my brother just bought four long acres on a little ridge, filled with red cedar and oak, overlooking 11 Mile river with a shack, water well, electric, and frontage on a year round 30 foot wide stream for $20,000. In Arkansas. The shack even came with some nice big juicy rats, at no extra charge.

Tn...Andy | 03-22-2007 07:44 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 548180) Although the Northwest is beatiful and mostly free of mosquitoes and snakes, the areas around the Appalachians and the Ozarks are not only less expensive but much better suited for growing crops and orchards as they have much more rainfall. Hardwoods are better suited for heating homes, springs and creeks are much more abundant, there is less chance of catastrophic fire and the winters are milder. Take a good look at Southern Missouri and Eastern/Northern Tennessee The Californians have not discovered them yet.
I tend to agree with Hoarder.....though right IN this area, land has gotten ridiculous of late, you can go a bit northwest or onto the Cumberland Plateau and land gets back to much more reasonable. I paid 1000/ac for mine back in 1982 when I bought it......and even 12 years later, I added an adjoining 27 acres for about the same, if you subtract the improvements....but now, even rough, raw mtn land, like mine was, is going for 5-6k/ac.

R MacDonald | 03-22-2007 07:47 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 548187) I tend to agree with Hoarder.....though right IN this area, land has gotten ridiculous of late, you can go a bit northwest or onto the Cumberland Plateau and land gets back to much more reasonable. I paid 1000/ac for mine back in 1982 when I bought it......and even 12 years later, I added an adjoining 27 acres for about the same, if you subtract the improvements....but now, even rough, raw mtn land, like mine was, is going for 5-6k/ac.
Could you guys get me some links please?

eyeofliberty | 03-22-2007 07:49 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? "Untouched by civilization, all of the creatures of Nine Mile Ranch roam about freely and fearlessly, protected by law and by the people who live there." Sounds like you can't hunt there, but probably plenty of good hunting nearby! I live in Oregon (although in the city) and the PNW is truly abundant. It's the reason the native Americans here were able to develop such a rich and advanced culture--plenty of bounty made living pretty easy, compared to, say, the Plains Indians. But, that was then, this is now! I hope to, at the very least, bug out to land in central or eastern Oregon in the near future, and hopefully further than that--like to Montana. We'll see. Damned Willamette Valley in Oregon (Portland, Salem, Eugene) is full of freakin' socialists, and they're the ones that carry the elections for the whole damn state! I need enough space to see 'em coming from at least 300 yards in all directions (wink).

R MacDonald | 03-22-2007 07:50 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? Oops... found some carpet baggers... http://www.appalachianland.com/bin/w...147469805.html http://mountain-realty-guide.com/fsb...ialandsale.jpg Appalachian Mountains, Cherokee County, Murphy, NC Apalachia Lake: 2.78 acres with Deeded Lake Access. Phenomenal Mountain and Lake Views. Quiet, Private and Secluded. Gated community. Restricted. 3/3 septic permit. Road already into property. This property has breathtaking views of the Lake with a mountainous, National Forest backdrop. See an abundance of Wildlife. Build your home here and feel like you are part of the wilderness. 25 minutes from Murphy, NC; 1 hour 45 min to Chattanooga; 2 hours from Atlanta; 3 hours from Asheville; 20 minutes to Ocoee River Rafting; 1 hour to Nantahala River Rafting; 1 hour 45 minutes from Great Smokey Mountain National Park. It can all be yours, a perfect National Forest setting for your family's home, getaway, hiking vacation, whitewater rafting expedition or fly fishing adventure. $289,900. Interested? Please call Fred for more information or an appointment to see this property. 828-494-3416 Home, 828-557-4474 Cell,

demosfen | 03-22-2007 07:55 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? MD, there is this book that you may be interested in , available here - http://www.joelskousen.com/Strategic...strategic.html I am still waiting for my copy, but based on a review, it' s a fundamental work with every county in US graded from survivalist point of view

hoarder | 03-22-2007 08:00 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? http://morealestate.net/multilist/as...gcolor2=B3BCA9 http://www.missourireal-estate.com/ http://ims.missouri.edu/moims/step1.AOI/countylist.asp http://tn-realestate.net/listings.htm http://findtennessee.freeservers.com/realtors.htm http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/ http://www.topozone.com/findplace.asp http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/place.aspx http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/ind_inc.html http://www.retirementliving.com/RLtaxes.html

hoarder | 03-22-2007 08:02 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 548193) the PNW is truly abundant. It's the reason the native Americans here were able to develop such a rich and advanced culture--plenty of bounty made living pretty easy,
One word: FISH.

Tn...Andy | 03-22-2007 08:12 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? 90+/- Acres that has been in the same family for over 60 years. 50 acres are presently leased in cultivation. Balance of 40 acres in timber. Farm located on the banks of Horse Creek and within just a few hundred feet of the beautiful Tennessee River. Excellent area to sell camper or trailer lots. Property is located in the flood zone. Lots adjoining this property are presently bringing $5000 to $10,000 per acre. Excellent property for deer, duck, and turkey. Located approximately 15 minutes from Savannah, TN. PROPERTY NO: 41060-01312 PRICE: $109,000.00 This listing: http://www.unitedcountry.com/search0...1312&AU=N&FT=P 49 more properties listed by United Country in Tennessee, search parameters were min. 20ac, max price 150k. You can enter a different search if you wish, or different State by clicking the appropriate button. http://www.unitedcountry.com/search0...cnt=&curpage=8

R MacDonald | 03-22-2007 08:20 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? Thanks Horder!

R MacDonald | 03-22-2007 08:26 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? 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J.D.Rockinfeller | 03-22-2007 08:26 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? Some things that may have been missed...... 1. How close are military bases? 2. Where is the nearest large city? 3.What is the political mindset of the general poulation? ..this is important as when i did my research before i booked out west, i found 3 states had a definite GET THE **** AWAY FROM ME AND LEAVE ME ALONE attitude toward the government! a far cry from the helpless dependent sheep in the midwest. I came pretty close here....10k people in the county and i can go 100 miles and not see a paved road.

Kahlil Gibran | 03-22-2007 09:00 PM
Re: Which wilderness areas in the U.S. have the most abundant resources for survival? I'm all set now in Idaho but I told Hive in another thread that If I were to do it today: http://www.bakercity.com/main.htm

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