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TomD | 03-11-2008 09:01 AM
you will not believe this SMG This is off the scale in gotta-have factor. <object height="355" width="425"> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/D99NHb6B03s&rel=1&border=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" height="355" width="425"></object>

Twisted Avatar | 03-11-2008 09:05 AM
Re: you will not believe this SMG yeah I saw that too........I think they are trying to make it just for police and military (bummer) T

BeeYourself | 03-11-2008 10:17 AM
Re: you will not believe this SMG I will take 10 of those please.

Professur | 03-11-2008 10:56 AM
Re: you will not believe this SMG I think that qualifies as Uber-cool.

eat_beef | 03-11-2008 01:03 PM
Re: you will not believe this SMG Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1005398) yeah I saw that too........I think they are trying to make it just for police and military (bummer) T
I doubt it. Magpul has a stellar record in being pro Second Ammendment. The guy said they had no plans to market it at all...clearly looking for folks to beg.:wink:

Professur | 03-11-2008 01:06 PM
Re: you will not believe this SMG I'm not proud. All that built around a Glock, eh? Hmmmm..

SilverCity | 03-11-2008 01:15 PM
Re: you will not believe this SMG It needs a 16" barrel to be sold to the general public...

Professur | 03-11-2008 01:30 PM
Re: you will not believe this SMG Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1005823) It needs a 16" barrel to be sold to the general public...
Well, if they have to give me mine for free, I promise not to make an issue of it.

eat_beef | 03-11-2008 01:40 PM
Re: you will not believe this SMG Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1005823) It needs a 16" barrel to be sold to the general public...
Not true, it would only need to be registered as a SBR, along with the associated red tape.

SilverCity | 03-11-2008 01:44 PM
Re: you will not believe this SMG Quote:
Originally Posted by eat_beef (Post 1005844) Not true, it would only need to be registered as a SBR, along with the associated red tape.
The GENERAL PUBLIC does not usually buy registered weapons, as they are often cost prohibitive. They can own one of these Class 2 SBRs however, if the manufacturer decides to allow sales to the public, or if the buyer can find someone willing to sell at a reasonable price, if they pass background checks, submit a set of legible fingerprints along with the proper paperwork, pays a $200 transfer fee, and their local county sheriff signs the necessary documentation. It is up to the sheriff's discretion and he is not bound by law to sign it. The paperwork can lay on his desk for months...then be rejected because of some minor clerical error. Later, when you want to sell it someone else has to go thru the same process...Not worth the hassle in my book.

smullen | 03-11-2008 05:47 PM
Re: you will not believe this SMG They did not mention the R.O.F... I'd like to see someone let loose with one... I wonder if a semi auto version will ever be avalible? Should be no different than buying a regular handgun right(if its semi-that is)???

SilverCity | 03-11-2008 06:14 PM
Re: you will not believe this SMG Quote:
Originally Posted by smullen (Post 1006248) They did not mention the R.O.F... I'd like to see someone let loose with one... I wonder if a semi auto version will ever be avalible? Should be no different than buying a regular handgun right(if its semi-that is)???
It has a shoulder stock and is considered a Short-Barreled Rifle regardless...and must be registered.

Iptuous | 03-11-2008 07:10 PM
Re: you will not believe this SMG Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1005849) ...they are often cost prohibitive.
not really. $200 premium for the tax stamp. It was designed to be cost prohibitive at the time the law was passed, but inflation helped us out on this one:wink:. Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1005849) It is up to the sheriff's discretion and he is not bound by law to sign it.
That depends on what state you are in. some states are SHALL SIGN states. Plus, one can incorporate in a few different ways that do not require a CLEO signoff Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 1005849) ...Not worth the hassle in my book.
Fair enough. But don't go saying that people CAN'T legally own items that are restricted by the NFA, as that is giving up the limited rights we have left with regards to these items. Obviously, there are some that view it as worth the hassle! For further information on the legal aspects of NFA weapons ownership: http://www.precisionweapons.com/cart...Legalities.asp :D

SilverCity | 03-11-2008 08:40 PM
Re: you will not believe this SMG Quote:
Originally Posted by Iptuous (Post 1006427) not really. $200 premium for the tax stamp. It was designed to be cost prohibitive at the time the law was passed, but inflation helped us out on this one:wink:. That depends on what state you are in. some states are SHALL SIGN states. Plus, one can incorporate in a few different ways that do not require a CLEO signoff Fair enough. But don't go saying that people CAN'T legally own items that are restricted by the NFA, as that is giving up the limited rights we have left with regards to these items. Obviously, there are some that view it as worth the hassle! For further information on the legal aspects of NFA weapons ownership: http://www.precisionweapons.com/cart...Legalities.asp :D
READ my early post...I never said it was illegal to own. Even if the manufacturer ALLOWS public sales (doubtful), he would be shooting himself in the foot, marketing-wise...by severely limiting his market. He would have to put a 16" barrel on the weapon to even have a prayer of broader public sales, which would of course ruin the whole concept... I do not know of any state in the union where the "individual buyer" of class 2 or 3 weapons can circumvent registering with law enforcement. Tell me where and I might consider moving there. Having been a class 3 owner of record and residing in one of the more "firearm-friendly" (shall-issue) states in the U.S., I would like to know exactly what the requirements are in your state. "NOT required if you are purchasing the NFA item as a partnership, company, association, trust, estate, or corporation, although you still have to submit the Form 4." AND a $300 LLC filing fee is required (Texas). Wanna bet any partnership, company, association, trust, estate, or corporation filing for a NFA weapon doesn't get a copy sent to local law enforcement for approval? "Incorporate" to own a machinegun? No thanks, too many inquiring minds in on that deal. Oh, have you priced class 3 weaponry lately? The machinegun crowd is a very esoteric group and their weaponry is way out of the price range of most of the GENERAL PUBLIC, which was my original (understated) intent.

extremist | 03-11-2008 09:04 PM
Re: you will not believe this SMG Indeed... the right of the People, to keep and bear Arms, SHALL BE INFRINGED if they can't afford them. A beat-up, loose MAC-10 gets $10K these days, whereas the same semi-auto might go for $100.

eat_beef | 03-11-2008 09:44 PM
Re: you will not believe this SMG You're splitting hairs. It would be no harder for me to get a SBR than for someone in NY, NY to get a Glock 17. Cheaper, too, in the long run. As for the rate of fire, it would probably be the same as the Glock, as that's basically what it is. It's really cool and all that, but how much more concealable is it than a pistol? After all, it's a pistol with a stock.

<SLV> | 03-11-2008 09:51 PM
Re: you will not believe this SMG Magpul is just down the road from me. I've been talking with one of the guys on their design team, and he said that they are swamped in development this year. I guess there are a lot of uber-cool devlopments on their table. I'm very impressed with this company -- truly top notch.

Iptuous | 03-11-2008 11:55 PM
Re: you will not believe this SMG Quote:
Originally Posted by extremist (Post 1006642) A beat-up, loose MAC-10 gets $10K these days,
really? looks to me like they go for a little over 4K, new in box: http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/i...uery=retrieval and you can get an M11/9 for about 3K....

buff01 | 03-12-2008 12:17 AM
Re: you will not believe this SMG I'd rather just have the GLOCK, to be honest. It does look cool though.

Prometheus | 03-12-2008 12:44 AM
Re: you will not believe this SMG I might just do the SBr route if they do ever go public on it. TOO COOL! I want one.

extremist | 03-13-2008 05:40 AM
Re: you will not believe this SMG Quote:
Originally Posted by Iptuous (Post 1006878) really? looks to me like they go for a little over 4K, new in box: http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/i...uery=retrieval and you can get an M11/9 for about 3K....
I stand corrected, though that seems to be the only one that can still be had for substantially less than $10K...

Silvestor | 03-13-2008 06:19 AM
Re: you will not believe this SMG Magpul is about 22 years late. I saw one four years ago, selling for $5000. It looked like a radio when it folded up. US patent # 4,625,621 Date Dec 2, 1986 http://i25.tinypic.com/9kq8p1.jpg http://i26.tinypic.com/6534g5.jpg http://i29.tinypic.com/34hyq0z.jpg

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