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SilverCity | 12-09-2007 04:04 PM
Converting Shipping Containers We are trying to figure how we will store our goods securely...and/or house friends and family members cheaply should any show up when the SHTF or in TEOTWAWKI scenarios... And wife and I are looking at converting one or two of these steel shipping containers...or just buying one already set up, since we have some acreage with a septic system, gas, and water hookups in place... Has anyone thought of this or followed through?

wallew | 12-09-2007 05:58 PM
Re: Converting Shipping Containers SC, Hope these help... http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005...ing_contai.php Even Bob Villa gets in on the act... http://www.bobvila.com/BVTV/Bob_Vila...0201-05-1.html

hystckndle | 12-09-2007 08:20 PM
Re: Converting Shipping Containers Search some threads by the Barnacle Bob here.

money matters | 12-10-2007 01:08 AM
Re: Converting Shipping Containers Great for storage; but so are cargo trailers, plus the cargo trailers are portable. Not many people have the over the road tractor and winch trailer to transport their own shipping container. Problems using them for housing, come from heat & condensation; ventilation and insulation are a must. Bury them or berm them and you might have something. What do they cost? $2500 ea? Does that include delivery? Gonna put them on a foundation? More $$$. If you want cheap shelter, the military surplus canvas tents are durable, transportable and with a liner, pretty warm. You might be able to build a garage or guest house for the cost of purchase, transport and foundation prep for 2 containers. Might find an inexpensive metal building kit... Lots of expense converting one over to being habitable. You might even find a salvage worthy mobile home. People will often give these to you if you haul them away. Not too hard to convert one of those for storage or habitation. Direct sun, moderate humidity work against you bigtime if you don't spend lots of $$ to overcome them. Good luck!

SilverCity | 12-10-2007 01:32 AM
Re: Converting Shipping Containers Quote:
Originally Posted by money matters (Post 867243) Great for storage; but so are cargo trailers, plus the cargo trailers are portable. Not many people have the over the road tractor and winch trailer to transport their own shipping container. Problems using them for housing, come from heat & condensation; ventilation and insulation are a must. Bury them or berm them and you might have something. What do they cost? $2500 ea? Does that include delivery? Gonna put them on a foundation? More $$$. If you want cheap shelter, the military surplus canvas tents are durable, transportable and with a liner, pretty warm. You might be able to build a garage or guest house for the cost of purchase, transport and foundation prep for 2 containers. Might find an inexpensive metal building kit... Lots of expense converting one over to being habitable. You might even find a salvage worthy mobile home. People will often give these to you if you haul them away. Not too hard to convert one of those for storage or habitation. Direct sun, moderate humidity work against you bigtime if you don't spend lots of $$ to overcome them. Good luck!
Thanks money, SC

Infidel | 12-10-2007 02:59 AM
Re: Converting Shipping Containers these are made in such a way as to support weight of another container like this stacked neatly on top of it. they are not well reinforced, so if you do cover them with earth they will not hold up too well, rust and weak points will kill them. your better bet would be to get a section of those pipes that drain to ocean. corrugated or plastic they will hold up to abuse and where they are sold you can also find end caps that can be bolted or welded on. If I was buying I would get HDPE plastic ones. will not rust and you can pretty much pour acid on top of it and it will not melt.

mtnman | 12-10-2007 10:00 AM
Re: Converting Shipping Containers Quote:
Originally Posted by Infidel (Post 867316) these are made in such a way as to support weight of another container like this stacked neatly on top of it. they are not well reinforced, so if you do cover them with earth they will not hold up too well, rust and weak points will kill them. your better bet would be to get a section of those pipes that drain to ocean. corrugated or plastic they will hold up to abuse and where they are sold you can also find end caps that can be bolted or welded on. If I was buying I would get HDPE plastic ones. will not rust and you can pretty much pour acid on top of it and it will not melt.
I�m planning an underground house using these containers. It will be on the side of the mountain facing the river on my farm. Just like any underground house, you must waterproof the outside (sprayed tar) then you must have French drains and back fill with gravel. Spray on insulation inside. Around here the containers can be had for about $1000 each. Three sides and the roof will be covered with earth, the front will be exposed. By far the cheapest building material around.

wallew | 12-10-2007 12:47 PM
Re: Converting Shipping Containers I KEEP TELLING YOU FOLKS, use mil surplus. Here are two pix of a trailer that was about to be scrapped. A buddy of mine salvaged it for like $300 - $400. Please note that the MILITARY has much higher build standards than the civilian transportation industry. And you need someone to haul it for you? Join your local MV collectors club, get to know the guys with the 5 ton or larger trucks. Then plead, beg and be prepared to pay for fuel, which is the biggest expense in hauling these babies to where you want them. Obtaining them is fairly easy. Moving them only slightly more complex. Please note that this particular trailer was literally dragged on the ground with a front end loader to get it near the crusher in the background. Damage? It DID lose SOME of it's exterior paint. TRY THAT with a civilian box. These have a set of 'dolly' wheels that attach to the bottom. Obviously, these don't have them attached. http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/a...1&d=1197308788 http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/a...1&d=1197308788

Fullpower | 12-10-2007 03:22 PM
Cheep space: surplus school or Muni busses can be had for cheep, advantage is that they are easy to move, that is self propelled. free bonus: they have heating and charging systems and some interior lighting. pretty nice home can be constructed inside a school bus.

SilverCity | 12-11-2007 03:20 PM
Re: Converting Shipping Containers More interesting comments from SurvivalBlog.com Three Letters Re: More on Retrofitting CONEX Containers for Habitation Jim: In Viet-Nam we used CONEXes as underground electronic shelters. A hole was excavated that allowed space between the side of the hole and the container. The hole was deep enough to allow the top of the container to be below ground. If needed the walls of the hole were sandbagged to prevent collapse. The container and hole were roofed over with support structure and then sandbags where laid over the top. If we were in an area that was subject to indirect fire, two ramps were dug down to the level of the floor with a dogleg in the middle. We would put a layer of heavy rock or I-beams to act as a detonation point to prevent penetration of heavy shell (anything from 81mm up). - Long Goody James; I have thought about converting a CONEX for use as a retreat before. I have actually seen several storm shelters in southern Mississippi made out of CONEX containers buried in the side of a hill. As long as there is not too much structural load on the roof of the container there shouldn't be a problem. If they're looking for a hardened structure, readers should use reinforced concrete. The relatively thin steel of the container will not support a sufficient load without significant bracing. Also, burying steel below ground is inviting rust unless it's treated heavily with a corrosion inhibitor. My background is construction and specifically concrete, reinforcing, and masonry construction. I have done several projects using insulating concrete form (ICF) systems that use a foam type block that is put together. Rebar is then inserted into the void between each side and filled with concrete. The roof is similar constructed. I did some cost analysis and the cost of construction for this is about the same and in some cases cheaper than conventional stick built construction depending on your area. Another less expensive (and less thermally efficient) option is to construct wooden forms for the walls and pour them with concrete (and reinforcing.) Lastly, there is masonry construction. If a reader wanted to go this route, they could either erect the block walls and reinforce each cell or put a rebar in every 2 or 3 cells with the remaining cells filled with gravel. This would save money on concrete and still give a structural, thermal, and ballistic benefit to the walls. As an aside, all troops and contractors out here in Iraq, with a few exceptions, are all living in what we call CHUs or Containerized Housing Units (spoken "Chews"). These are constructed similarly to a CONEX in that it's made to fit on and be carried by a semi tractor-trailer. The difference is that it has a window and conventional door in one end and some are set up with a bathroom with shower, toilet, hot water heater, and sink in the other end. It also has floors and electrical system set up to run on 240 VAC. Unfortunately the CHUs here are built by companies in Europe (Cormac and Tyson are the two manufacturers that come to mind right now), but at one time I did find someone in the States that built a similar type container. Regards, - Brian in Iraq Dear Sir, Three observations on shipping containers. According to the tags on the doors, the timber component (the floor to most people) almost invariably is treated with serious pesticide. There are multiple purposes to the pesticide treatments - a) to prevent transplantation of harmful insects around the world, b) to protect the structure of the floor, and c) to protect the contents from infestation and damage. The treatments are serious both in quantity, being roughly in the range of 1 to 10 pounds of pesticide in the wood, and serious in quality. Even 5 lbs is enough to kill a staggering number of insects. As often as not, these pesticides have been banned in the US (and frequently Europe too). Some cause cancer (e.g.., DDT) while others cause testicular atrophy (e.g., Phoxim). Some take hours of diligent searching to track down on the internet either because of trade names or cryptic abbreviations. Pesticides are at least somewhat volatile and almost certainly will permeate the contents over time, especially if the can gets hot. Note that the contents can include occupants; caution with food storage in containers also advised, unless strong measures are taken (e.g., remove and replace the floor with untreated wood). Please note that lacquers, varnishes, paints and plastic sheets are highly permeable to organic vapors. The point about structural use is well taken. In normal use (weight on the corners), a typical acceptable load for stacking on top of a 40-foot can is 423,000 pounds at 1.8 g (the acceleration caused by [a container ship] pitching in waves). On stable land, this translates into a 761,000 pound recommended weight limit. Roughly speaking, this means they can be stacked 80 - 100 deep if they are empty, and about 8 to 10 [containers] deep when they are full. The sides are not nearly as strong as the ends, so caution is advised if the stacking arrangement is nonstandard. Pillars can be placed strategically inside if needed, but they should be reviewed by a skilled structural engineer. With all that said, it is difficult to beat the value of these mobile structures. In our area, a 40-foot high cube can be obtained for about $2,500 in reasonable condition and $3,000 for good condition. We are seeing strong attempts at increased local government regulation, in part because they have become so popular. In one case, the authorities seek to regulate them as buildings, even though they are customarily used in commerce for storage and transport of goods. Sincerely, - John Galt

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