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silverJeep | 12-04-2007 04:06 PM
S & W Sigma .40 ??? Does anyone know much about the S & W Sigma in .40 cal. I don't like Glock, don't know why, just doesn't feel right. Any problems?> I've noticed they're quite cheap $289. which makes me wonder if it's crap.

TLM | 12-04-2007 04:16 PM
Re: S & W Sigma .40 ??? Quote:
Originally Posted by silverJeep (Post 859051) Does anyone know much about the S & W Sigma in .40 cal. I don't like Glock, don't know why, just doesn't feel right. Any problems?> I've noticed they're quite cheap $289. which makes me wonder if it's crap.
S&W has a much better reputation for their revolvers. I've heard mixed reviews... it's seems most owners like them. The ones that don't like them... really don't like them. I'm sure you can find reviews online.

noelephant | 12-04-2007 04:24 PM
Re: S & W Sigma .40 ??? I have a Sigma in 9mm. I really like it. It is really comfortable to hold and fire. It fits my hand nicely. Breaking it down for cleaning is also a breeze. I've had it for about a year - I haven't shot it that much really.... I've probably put between 500-600 rounds through it. It has never jammed, failed to feed or failed to fire. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one based on my experiences. Well there you have it - my .02 (copper.) *Edit* Oh the trigger is a bit heavy. I'm not sure if this is true with all Sigmas or just the MA compliant ones. Mine has eased up quite a bit with use and is quite smooth and easier to pull than when I first got it. A fairly heavy trigger in what is essentially a duty firearm with external safety lever isn't necessarily a bad thing.

SilverCity | 12-04-2007 07:31 PM
Re: S & W Sigma .40 ??? Quote:
Originally Posted by silverJeep (Post 859051) Does anyone know much about the S & W Sigma in .40 cal. I don't like Glock, don't know why, just doesn't feel right. Any problems?> I've noticed they're quite cheap $289. which makes me wonder if it's crap.
I have owned the .40 Sigma a few years back...okay but not impressed with the trigger pull or accuracy. Friend who manages an indoor range says they have problems with them and no longer use them as a range weapon...just mostly Glocks. Incidently, a number of years ago, Smith and Wesson paid a lot of money to Glock in a law suit for patent infringements. Finally came around to the Glock...took me a while but now they are all I own (mostly). More models, calibers, accessories to choose from...and the fact that I can work on them myself (armorer) without need of a factory or gunsmith. Recommend you give one a try...might change your mind...the G19 in 9mm and the G23 in .40 are the most popular models. Glocks also have a proven record for durability and reliability...75% of LEO carry Glocks for a reason. All that said...Smith has excellent reputation for customer service these days, and will help you out with any problems. By the way, have you looked at the Smith M&P series? Lot of folks like them too...though they have not been out long enough to be really tested in the field.

electric-amish | 12-04-2007 08:25 PM
Re: S & W Sigma .40 ??? Recent generation of Sigmas have proven VERY reliable. They are right up there with any good gun for reliability. Down side is the heavy heavy heavy trigger. Its about 10-12 lbs from what I've been able to determine. This may be part of the Safety feature to eliminate accidental discharges. Plus is if you get good with that trigger your good with any trigger. Very no frills gun but solid performer. I choose the M&P 40, had a couple of problems and sent it back. They fixed and turned it around in 20 days. Sending a Gun back to the Manufacturer ruined my confidence for a while but since its return I have to say its better than when I first got it. My opinion S&W is a good company to do business with and I will again. I would get the 9mm for my first (Maybe its yours) and shoot often. 9mm is 9$ a 100 cheaper and Self defense Ammo is all about the same cost. 18-20 a box of 20. I shoot enough now that with the Ammo saveings I would be able to get a new pistol. Just my 2 cents. E-A

SAUM | 12-04-2007 09:02 PM
Re: S & W Sigma .40 ??? Although Wallew will come in here thrashing and bashing me for saying so, I'm not a big fan of the .40 cal. If you reload they are easy to over pressure, If you shoot box ammo this probably won't matter.

Lackluster | 12-04-2007 09:07 PM
Re: S & W Sigma .40 ??? If you live near Springfield, Mass., you can always drop in at Smith & Wesson Retail Center. They have a pistol range, and can you rent many of their guns right there and try 'em out. I was there for the first time the other day. I didn't do any shooting, I just wanted to see a certain revolver that I have been lusting over (they retail all of their guns there, as well.) Model 22 revolver http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore...0195_large.jpg

electric-amish | 12-04-2007 10:03 PM
Re: S & W Sigma .40 ??? Quote:
Originally Posted by SAUM (Post 859450) , I'm not a big fan of the .40 cal. If you reload they are easy to over pressure, If you shoot box ammo this probably won't matter.
Reloading a forty is very specific. The case is to short for error and it does have a fast energy curve making it snappy as they say. A low bore axis and contoured grip helps reduce the effect a lot. Both of these are found in the M&P forty. The Sigma has some of the same benefits although not as pronounced. Your not alone with some disdain of the 40 SW. fans of 1911s generally don't see it as an improvement and see its sudden recoil (Snap) as a draw back. I love the pistol more than the cartridge but think its a great compromise between big hole and lots of bullets. Its a business cartridge developed from the 10mm and designed for hollow points. This means its less likely to jam while chambering a round with hollow point ammo. E-A

silverJeep | 12-05-2007 11:18 AM
Re: S & W Sigma .40 ??? Quote:
Originally Posted by noelephant (Post 859068) Oh the trigger is a bit heavy. I'm not sure if this is true with all Sigmas or just the MA compliant ones. Mine has eased up quite a bit with use and is quite smooth and easier to pull than when I first got it. A fairly heavy trigger in what is essentially a duty firearm with external safety lever isn't necessarily a bad thing.
That's what i've read in the reveiws. Most talk about replacing the trigger spring with a glock trigger spring and then all is well.

silverJeep | 12-05-2007 12:22 PM
Re: S & W Sigma .40 ??? AMAZING! I POSTED THIS EXACT THREAD ON ANOTHER BOARD AND LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT POSTS... ----------------------------------------------------------- which makes me wonder if it's crap. "It is." ----------------------------------------------------------- Avoid Sigma's like the plague. Our department went to them one time - I was an armorer. One of the worst firearms I've ever worked around. I watched one of my guys pull his service weapon to put a deer down and it wouldn't fire - had to take it out of service. Nice way to find out. At least we didn't need it to defend his life or someone elses. I've seen multiple problems with them. Avoid! ---------------------------------------------------------- Nomad, wasn't it you that said Sigmas were good for coming apart while firing? ---------------------------------------------------------- it is one of the worst handguns i have ever shot. Its a total pos and i feel sorry for anyone that has one. I would really prefer if no one i knew owned one. ---------------------------------------------------------- I agree...a big store I worked for some time ago sold them...along with other guns....the Sigmas were crap. ---------------------------------------------------------- I WANTED DIFFERENT OPINIONS, I JUST DIDN'T THINK ONE BOARD WOULD BE SO POLARIZED ONE WAY AND THE OTHER BOARD THE OTHER WAY. THAKS, SJ <!-- / message --><!-- sig --> <!-- / message --> <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Anty Ep | 12-05-2007 12:24 PM
Re: S & W Sigma .40 ??? glocks are cheap too. get a glock. smith revolvers are great, I love the 22.

eat_beef | 12-05-2007 12:42 PM
Re: S & W Sigma .40 ??? You're right, there's a reason they're cheap. I hate Glocks, but you can get a grip reduction (actually, my Bro in Law does them cheap) to fix the grip's retarded back strap, which makes the pistol point high in the hands of humans,:rolleyes: and there's no argueing that Glocks run like nothing else. Or you could just bite the bullet and buy a real man's sidearm, a 1911.:D

wallew | 12-05-2007 08:09 PM
Re: S & W Sigma .40 ??? Quote:
Originally Posted by SAUM (Post 859450) Although Wallew will come in here thrashing and bashing me for saying so, I'm not a big fan of the .40 cal. If you reload they are easy to over pressure, If you shoot box ammo this probably won't matter.
SAUM, Actually I have no issues with the .40 cal. I know several federal agencies that carry and use them. IF you are going to shoot reloads, as Saum says, pay CLOSE attention to your reloading data. If YOU make a mistake, it CAN be a deadly mistake. Can't say anything about the Sigma. Don't know that much. I will say that HOPEFULLY S&W have moved away from MIM parts. Metal Injected Molded parts are NOT nearly as good as machined parts. Plus some of the MIM parts I've seen rust fairly easily. Past that, not much wrong with the Sigma that I can see. Most of the LE agencies that I have worked for use either Glock or Sig. Some do use the .40 cal. MOST use either 9mm, but SOME actually allow the officer to carry pretty much anything HE wants to purchase (if he or she can qualify with it). I basically have two calibers I carry. 7.62x25 as a car gun. Or .38/.357 as a concealed carry. Either will do the job. But so will a .22. Folks, it's all about shot placement. Which means practice, practice, practice.

electric-amish | 12-05-2007 08:10 PM
Re: S & W Sigma .40 ??? Quote:
Originally Posted by silverJeep (Post 860258) AMAZING! I POSTED THIS EXACT THREAD ON ANOTHER BOARD AND LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT POSTS... ----------------------------------------------------------- which makes me wonder if it's crap. "It is." ----------------------------------------------------------- Avoid Sigma's like the plague. Our department went to them one time - I was an armorer. One of the worst firearms I've ever worked around. I watched one of my guys pull his service weapon to put a deer down and it wouldn't fire - had to take it out of service. Nice way to find out. At least we didn't need it to defend his life or someone elses. I've seen multiple problems with them. Avoid! ---------------------------------------------------------- Nomad, wasn't it you that said Sigmas were good for coming apart while firing? ---------------------------------------------------------- it is one of the worst handguns i have ever shot. Its a total pos and i feel sorry for anyone that has one. I would really prefer if no one i knew owned one. ---------------------------------------------------------- I agree...a big store I worked for some time ago sold them...along with other guns....the Sigmas were crap. ---------------------------------------------------------- I WANTED DIFFERENT OPINIONS, I JUST DIDN'T THINK ONE BOARD WOULD BE SO POLARIZED ONE WAY AND THE OTHER BOARD THE OTHER WAY. THAKS, SJ <!-- / message --><!-- sig --> <!-- / message --> <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
That is some crazy disparity. I've only heard good things about the newer model. E-A

SilverCity | 12-05-2007 09:00 PM
Re: S & W Sigma .40 ??? I have heard that the newest "enhanced" models may be improved somewhat.

elroy | 12-05-2007 09:21 PM
Re: S & W Sigma .40 ??? While I own a .40 S&W, it is one of the 3rd generation stainless models. I think the .40 is a good caliber. However I have read so much bad stuff about Sigma models that I wouldn't risk it. If you want a "plastic" handgun get a newer S&W Military & Police model, Springfield XP or Glock. All of these are excellent weapons.

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