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Black Blade | 06-22-2008 05:59 PM
Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? Any of the Mormons here know what's going on? I was talking to my old man last night and in conversation he said that the Mormons in Utah were told to get serious about food storage. He lives in Utah and apparently his friends are stocking up lately. He said that they are upping it from a one year supply to several years supply. This has to have some serious implications for food prices if the true believers start buying like crazy. Disclosure: I own commodity investments (including grains and fertilizer shares/options). On a side note, Utah politicians are under the gun so to speak about non-residents coming to the state just to get CCW permits that are recognized in their home states. Sounds like that avenue could be closed off soon.

Mone | 06-22-2008 06:34 PM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1157837) Any of the Mormons here know what's going on? I was talking to my old man last night and in conversation he said that the Mormons in Utah were told to get serious about food storage. He lives in Utah and apparently his friends are stocking up lately. He said that they are upping it from a one year supply to several years supply. This has to have some serious implications for food prices if the true believers start buying like crazy. Disclosure: I own commodity investments (including grains and fertilizer shares/options). On a side note, Utah politicians are under the gun so to speak about non-residents coming to the state just to get CCW permits that are recognized in their home states. Sounds like that avenue could be closed off soon.
This post prompted me to try to find info on wtf. During this minute long search I stumbled upon the bitter anti-hoarders in the LDS community. Was interesting, imo. http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon324.htm Fwiw I'm an evil hoarder.

Ash_Williams | 06-22-2008 07:49 PM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? Quote:
She said there is UNPRECEDENTED demand right now. More than 10 times the usual volume. The shipping centers and bishop's wharehouses are having trouble keeping anything in stock. We are supposed to go for a big order on July 9 and she has told us to be prepared that everything we ordered may not be in stock. We are ordering normal things like rice, beans, wheat, milk, etc. Yes the church has started pushing more, they know something is up. The mormon chuch has A LOT of very connected and very wealthy people in its membership roles.
Even if I hadn't read this, or anything else on here, or heard anything else about preps and what is coming, I know I'd still have this bad feeling in the back of my head, that this time it's for real. I never prepared for y2k or anything else. I've done a lot of preps lately though, and will continue to do so. Somehow it's different now. I hope I end up looking stupid once everything blows over and I have all this crap stored at my place. It's better than the alternative. You can't truly be prepared for the worst.

Ardent Listener | 06-22-2008 08:05 PM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? I'm also not a Mormon (LDS) but I thought some of you may be interested in reading this ....................... http://rationalmormonism.blogspot.com/ Guns and Butter A possible news item from next year: MORMON COUPLE INDICTED FOR FOOD HOARDING Couple Invested Heavily to Forestall Any Food Shortage WASHINGTON - Indictments were returned by a Federal Grand Jury here today against Medical Director Francis Smith Nash, and his wife, Caroline Nash, charging them with violation of Section 6 of the Food Control act in having large quantities of flour, rice, and other foodstuffs in their possession, to the value of $1,923.36. In a statement issued by the Food Administration it was alleged that the food hoarded was sufficient to maintain the family for more than a year and hence far in excess of the requirements for thirty days, the period recognized by Food Administrator Hoover as a "reasonable one" for residents of cities. This is the first indictment for individual food hoarding, it was said at the Food Administration, that has been brought since the food control law was enacted. The case attracted much interest here because of the prominence of Dr. and Mrs. Nash in the local community. The only comment of the Food Administration was that its officers were ready at all times to proceed against hoarders, regardless of their social standing, and that the charge would be followed to the end. Dr. and Mrs. Nash have a beautiful home at 1723 Q Street, Northwest. It was said that when officials of the Food Administration visited it they found conditions which seemed to indicate that it had been turned into a storehouse for many foodstuffs which Food Administrator Hoover had believed might run short because of the economic conditions. In connection with the raid, which was conducted by local Administrator Wilson, the Food Administrator issued an official statement which said: "The Medical Director has admitted his violation. With his knowledge of probable conditions that would follow a prolonged recession, he foresaw a scarcity of food. So, since the first sign of economic trouble, he has been investing his money in foodstuffs, storing them in his house against possible years of great food shortage." Actually, I copied this, with small changes, from a true news item published in 1918. As others have noted, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the food storage the latter-day saints have been told for so long to maintain may become vitally necessary to many of them in the near future. Beyond the obvious economic warning signs, the above story and other historical facts outline another important reason to be prepared: the federal government can and will remove our freedoms at the drop of a hat. The outcry against "hoarding" and the related act of "price gouging" in the wake of Hurricane Katrina make it painfully clear that the philosophical climate in the U.S. today would present little opposition to another Food Control Act. But beyond food storage, I would highly recommend that every functional family should be in possession of at least a few firearms in the coming months. The Supreme Court is expected to rule in District of Columbia vs. Heller, the case that challenges the D.C. gun ban. Best-case scenario: handguns are (legally) reintroduced to a city that desperately needs them. Worst-case: the Supreme Court decides that gun ownership is a "collective right," and cities around the country begin confiscation. If you've been paying attention, you should know that the fact that "collective right" is a contradiction in terms is not enough to guarantee the correct ruling. It should also be clear, even if the case is decided rightly, that eventual nationwide disarmament of the populace is almost inevitable. The tragic mistake that Dr. Nash made was to let it be known to someone outside his family that he had illegal quantities of food. Now, the time will come when, in order to live safely, we must break the law. Indeed, while We believe that governments were instituted of God for the benefit of man; and that he holds men accountable for their acts in relation to them, both in making laws and administering them, for the good and safety of society, it is also true that no government can exist in peace, except such laws are framed and held inviolate as will secure to each individual the free exercise of conscience, the right and control of property, and the protection of life (D&C 134:1-2). The conditions under which we are obliged to the government are given in even more clear language in verse 5: We believe that all men are bound to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they reside, while protected in their inherent and inalienable rights by the laws of such governments... We will not long be protected in those rights, if it can even be said that we are now. So the time will come to ignore the law, but it would not be wise to provoke it. When prudence is again made illegal, be prudent in secret. When the gun registration lists are used as a guide for confiscation, do not register. When obedience is death, disobey and live.

Goldhedge | 06-22-2008 08:15 PM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? That food story sounds bogus. We have a 'Food Administration'? Since when?? News to me... AHA! The first line under the " Guns and Butter" heading says: A possible news item from next year:

Dick | 06-22-2008 08:20 PM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldhedge (Post 1157957) That food story sounds bogus. We have a 'Food Administration'? Since when?? News to me... AHA! The first line under the " Guns and Butter" heading says: A possible news item from next year:
Isn't there a "food and drug administration"?

goddess | 06-22-2008 08:26 PM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldhedge (Post 1157957) That food story sounds bogus. We have a 'Food Administration'? Since when?? News to me... AHA! The first line under the " Guns and Butter" heading says: A possible news item from next year:
No its not bogus, I saw the actual copy of the news clipping. Yes we have been told to beef it up, but then we have been told for over 70 years to get our food storage. But the warnings have come more and more lately. I wish I had some money to get mine.

Black Blade | 06-23-2008 12:37 AM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? Having a food storage is just common sense anyway. Anything can happen from another Great Depression or PAW or something less alarming like just getting laid off or being laid up with sickness or injury when there's no income for an extended period and money has to go for other things. I did find my old man's comments odd if not interesting for someone pushing his late 80s. There is a certain chill in the air isn't there? - Black Blade

AMforPM | 06-23-2008 02:28 AM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? I'm not a member, but the LDS deserves thanks from everybody for keeping this sensible practice going during 'the fat years' and for being kind enough to permit non members to order. I got my case of #10 cans of hard winter wheat very promptly. Yes, it is Christian to be sharing and also if non members stock up then there will be less pressure to steal from LDS members, but I still appreciate the church selling to me.

Mone | 06-23-2008 08:23 AM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? Quote:
Originally Posted by AMforPM (Post 1158319) I'm not a member, but the LDS deserves thanks from everybody for keeping this sensible practice going during 'the fat years' and for being kind enough to permit non members to order. I got my case of #10 cans of hard winter wheat very promptly. Yes, it is Christian to be sharing and also if non members stock up then there will be less pressure to steal from LDS members, but I still appreciate the church selling to me.
--Wouldn't give me the time of day. Actually, I felt kinda "chased off". Got it done on my own. Now I don't feel obligated to endure the tripe.

RealityCheck | 06-23-2008 10:09 AM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? Quote:
Originally Posted by Mone (Post 1158500) --Wouldn't give me the time of day. Actually, I felt kinda "chased off". Got it done on my own. Now I don't feel obligated to endure the tripe.
When did you order? Maybe they checnged their policy, but I ordered some red wheat a few weeks ago at didn't have a problem.

Avalon | 06-23-2008 10:16 AM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? Quote:
Originally Posted by RealityCheck (Post 1158718) When did you order? Maybe they changed their policy, but I ordered some red wheat a few weeks ago at didn't have a problem.
I also received an order placed a few weeks ago.. Maybe it depends on what part of the country you live in...

goddess | 06-23-2008 11:27 AM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? No anyone can order form the web site, but you need to come with a member to the storage centers because of tax libility reasons. Thank your star spangled government for that one.

RealityCheck | 06-23-2008 11:30 AM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? Does anyone have a direct link to their food product page? I've searched all over their website and can't find it anymore. All I find is food storage info.

SLV>GLD | 06-23-2008 11:33 AM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? Google terms: --LDS cannery-- 1st result: f you'll call or visit your local Mormon cannery, they have free software that you can use to determine exactly how much of each food item you need for a sensible long-term storage program. To locate the LDS cannery nearest you, call 1-800-453-3860 ext.4164. The following list is a year old and may not be perfectly up-to-date. Note also that some of these ar home phone numbers, so please call at reasonable hours and be very polite. These people are being extraordinarily generous to us. AB Calgary, Alberta (403)571-3762 AB Lethbridge, AB (403)320-1505 or (403)320-1230 AB Sherwood Park, AB (Edmonton) (403)464-3466 or (403)464-3908 AK Palmer, AK (Anchorage) ((07)745-3617 AZ Mesa, AZ (602)967-8551 or (602)833-1112 AZ Snowflake, AZ (520)536-3458 or (520)739-4562 AZ St. Johns, AZ (520)337-2436 AZ Tucson, AZ (520)745-6452 or (520)749-9275 CA Chico, CA (530)891-0175 or (530)895-0479 CA Colton, CA (909)824-0486 or (909)794-1691 CA Concord, CA (510)686-2224 or (707)452-1488 CA Fountain Valley, CA (714)437-9205 or (714)847-8852 CA Fresno, CA (209)255-7075 or (209)434-3412 CA Los Angeles, CA (213)261-6351 or (909)627-2332 CA Sacramento, CA (916)381-5150 or (209)745-2202 CA San Diego, CA (619)279-2441 or (619)421-8935 CA Santa Clara, CA (408)986-1872 or (408)281-1601 CA Stockton, CA (209)943-1892 or (209)239-2867 CA Sylmar, CA (San Fernando) (818)833-6696 or (805)297-2320 CO Aurora, CO (Denver) (303)371-7650 or (303)841-7786 FL Davie, FL (Fort Lauderdale) (954)581-2165 FL Jacksonville, FL (904)772-8997 or (954)746-3731 FL Plant City,FL (Tampa) (813)754-3845 GA Tucker, GA (Atlanta) (770)908-5782 or(770)279-8178 HI Honolulu, HI (808)841-6311 or (808)488-2955 ID Burley, ID (208)678-0434 or (208)678-9366 ID Garden City, ID (208)375-7893 or (208)895-8623 ID Idaho Falls, ID (208)529-2201 or (208)523-8957 ID Pocatello, ID (208)233-1937 or (208)233-9256 IL Naperville,IL (Chicago) (630)369-1379 or (847)639-7325 IN Indianapolis, IN (317)872-1754 LA Slidell, LA (New Orleans) (504)646-2550 MA Worcester, MA (508)853-6937 or (508)791-0998 MD Upper Marlboro, MD (Washington, DC) (301)735-5439 MI Farmington Hill, MI (Detroit) (248)553-2508 or (248)528-3915 MN Apple Valley, MN (Minneapolis) (612)473-8246 MO Bridgeton, MO (St. Louis) (314)344-0049 or (314)441-7764 MO Kansas City, MO (816)453-4269 or (816)737-0426 MT Missoula, MT (406)721-6914 or (406)728-2381 NC Greensboro, NC (910)668-2994 or (910)545-1510 NJ Bridgeport, NJ (Philadelphia) (609)467-0031 NJ Piscataway, NJ (908)777-9440 NM Albuqueque, NM (505)877-8620 or (505)293-3320 NM Farmington, NM (505)326-3506 NV Las Vegas, NV (702)649-2852 or (702)565-3062 NV Sparks, NV (Reno) (702)358-8948 or (702)358-8595 NY Canandaigua NY (716)394-4435 or (716)352-6228 OH Groveport, OH (614)836-2627 or (614)870-7664 OH Hiram, OH (Cleveland) (330)569-3113 or (330)274-0220 OK Oklahoma City, OK (405)691-6788 or (405)364-5982 ON Etobicoke, ON (Toronto) (416)255-1777 or (905)796-8507 OR Portland, OR (503)777-5815 or (503)848-0110 OR Springfield, OR (Eugene) (541)746-6217 or (541)688-5878 OR St. Paul, OR (503)633-4433 or (503)922-3851 OR White City, OR (Medford) (541)826-4640 or (541)826-7194 SC Columbia, SC (803)736-0324 TN Hendersonville, TN (Nashville) (615)822-5584 TN Knoxville, TN (423)694-4973 or (423)988-6875 TX Carrollton, TX (Dallas) (972)242-8595 or (972)985-9810 TX El Paso, TX (915)566-1335 TX Houston, TX (281)537-1786 or (281)550-4562 UT Ogden, UT (801)399-3723 or (801)782-9134 UT Welfare Square (Salt Lake, UT) (801)240-7370 or (801)253-1122 VA Chesterfield, VA (Richmond) (804)743-1018 or (804)478-5811 WA Kennewick, WA (509)735-6454 or (541)922-3851 WA Kent, WA (Seattle) (253)852-8552 or (253)582-3528 WA Mount Vernon, WA (360)424-0335 or (360)853-7918 WA Spokane, WA (509)928-2535 or (509)328-5754 WY Green River, WY (307)875-3800

Saul Mine | 06-23-2008 01:08 PM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? Based on hoards that I have seen, only crazy people hoard food. Sane people just keep extra food in the house. The difference is that the sane ones keep food they normally eat, while the crazy ones hoard food they have no idea how to eat. My sister, for example, hoarded hundreds of pounds of canned hard red winter wheat, but didn't have a flour mill. I wonder what she thought she was going to do with it? Some people may remember that other website, the one run by the fat guy with a garage full of hamburger helper but no hamburger. He eventually hauled it all to the dump. He couldn't eat it, couldn't sell it, couldn't even give it away. I wonder what he was thinking when he bought it? Just crazy, I guess. Store what you eat. Eat what you store. Don't think of it as "hoarding", think of it as "stocking up at sale prices".

Txkstew | 06-23-2008 01:23 PM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? Their order site was down for a little while, but seems to be back. I got 6 cases of wheat, in three different orders. The last one got back ordered for a little over one week, but it came. https://www.ldscatalog.com/webapp/wc...http:ClickInfo

GB1980 | 06-26-2008 10:26 AM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? [quote=SLV>GLD;1158839]Google terms: --LDS cannery-- 1st result: f you'll call or visit your local Mormon cannery, they have free software that you can use to determine exactly how much of each food item you need for a sensible long-term storage program. To locate the LDS cannery nearest you, call 1-800-453-3860 ext.4164. The following list is a year old and may not be perfectly up-to-date. Note also that some of these ar home phone numbers, so please call at reasonable hours and be very polite. These people are being extraordinarily generous to us. I have inquired in and around my place of work (Orlando) and I even at church. I just can't seem to find anyone in my area from the local LDS community. Can anyone help me? Thank you for your help

RealityCheck | 06-26-2008 11:15 AM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? Anyone know whats up with Walton Feed? I placed an order in mid to late June and never got it yet. I sent them an email about altering some of the order a couple weeks ago (wanted to cancel an item) and they never responded to it. I also sent an email about an unrelated question and never got a response on that either. They must be really busy? Edit: I meant mid to late April, not June.

Spectrism | 06-26-2008 07:51 PM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? Big thanks to TechGuy for turning me on to the LDS folks. I have made a couple trips over the last 2 months to the MA distribution center.... the only one in the northeast... and it is within 30 min of my home! I have differences with their religion, but that does not mean that we should not help each other. They are just regular folks... actually, a little better than regular. They are getting to know me and we get along fine. I think that as many people that can prepare now, the better it will be for everyone later. As for keeping the mouth shut... it is hard. You want to help others think about preps. The best way I have found is to test the waters. Talk around the issue and see how they respond. If they prefer to sleep, walk away.

goddess | 06-26-2008 07:55 PM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? [quote=GB1980;1163967] Quote:
Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 1158839) Google terms: --LDS cannery-- 1st result: f you'll call or visit your local Mormon cannery, they have free software that you can use to determine exactly how much of each food item you need for a sensible long-term storage program. To locate the LDS cannery nearest you, call 1-800-453-3860 ext.4164. The following list is a year old and may not be perfectly up-to-date. Note also that some of these ar home phone numbers, so please call at reasonable hours and be very polite. These people are being extraordinarily generous to us. I have inquired in and around my place of work (Orlando) and I even at church. I just can't seem to find anyone in my area from the local LDS community. Can anyone help me? Thank you for your help
Look in your yellow pages under The Church of Jesus christ of latterday saints. They should have listings for meeting houses and Bishops, just pick up the phone and call one of the bishops, they should be able to help. ;0)

AMforPM | 06-26-2008 08:07 PM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? We got our wheat for wheatgrass sprouting since we do not plan much baking either. I do agree, know how you will use any supplies.

Maddie | 06-27-2008 06:14 AM
Re: Mormons! What Gives on Food Storage Lately? Quote:
Originally Posted by RealityCheck (Post 1164064) Anyone know whats up with Walton Feed? I placed an order in mid to late June and never got it yet. I sent them an email about altering some of the order a couple weeks ago (wanted to cancel an item) and they never responded to it. I also sent an email about an unrelated question and never got a response on that either. They must be really busy? Edit: I meant mid to late April, not June.
I think they're just running way behind on orders. Even under ordinary circumstances, Walton Feed is very, very slow in delivery (I've had orders take 6-8 weeks to arrive). Who knows how long they'll take with the increased demand hammering them. I ordered from them in early May and haven't received my order yet, either.

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