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thorgrim | 05-17-2006 04:40 PM
People have lost the will to live. What's wrong with people I keep hearing stories in the news of people getting killed by animals. I wasn't able to find the story but a couple of weeks ago there was I guy mulled by a black bear. The crazy thing was that two mountain bikers heard him screaming and went to get help instead of stopping the bear first. WTF. There was another one I think last year where a woman professional athlete was jogging with two friends and a mountain lion attacked her. Her two "friends" ran off to get help. Of course she died. WTF. Then just a few weeks later a guy and his girl friend were attacked by a cougar. It knocked him down and had him by the leg. He grabbed the cougar by the back legs and threw it. After which it ran. He was a bit scratched up but not too bad. Seems like people have lost the will to live. Or even protect others. I find this pretty disturbing. I mean come on! Black bears and cougars aren't grizzlies. Grab a big stick or rock and go to work. You don't have to kill it. Once you hurt it they will usually leave you alone. Nobody had any weapons either? When I'm out mountain biking I at least have a good knife. These people must just give up.

TheKingsSon | 05-17-2006 04:44 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Yep, Wimps alright. People need to FEAR THE LORD!!! Like David in the Old Testament 1Samuel 17:36 Thy servant slew both the lion and the bear: and this uncircumcised Philistine shall be as one of them, seeing he hath defied the armies of the living God.

R MacDonald | 05-17-2006 05:07 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Quote:
Originally Posted by thorgrim What's wrong with people I keep hearing stories in the news of people getting killed by animals. I wasn't able to find the story but a couple of weeks ago there was I guy mulled by a black bear. The crazy thing was that two mountain bikers heard him screaming and went to get help instead of stopping the bear first. WTF. There was another one I think last year where a woman professional athlete was jogging with two friends and a mountain lion attacked her. Her two "friends" ran off to get help. Of course she died. WTF. Then just a few weeks later a guy and his girl friend were attacked by a cougar. It knocked him down and had him by the leg. He grabbed the cougar by the back legs and threw it. After which it ran. He was a bit scratched up but not too bad. Seems like people have lost the will to live. Or even protect others. I find this pretty disturbing. I mean come on! Black bears and cougars aren't grizzlies. Grab a big stick or rock and go to work. You don't have to kill it. Once you hurt it they will usually leave you alone. Nobody had any weapons either? When I'm out mountain biking I at least have a good knife. These people must just give up.
"they ran off for (Government) help"... Like the little docile sheep they are, they have to have "permission" from their masters to even provide for the basic need of defense of their own kith and kin... they "need" "permission" to act on their basic, God given instinct of survival and defense... PATHETIC, isn't it? This thought process has permeated this once free land like a cancer in EVERY setting... time to cut it out.

Alric | 05-17-2006 05:21 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Animals are stupid, they don't know how big people are. They equate size with how tall something is. Infact people are like that too. If there are two bears standing next to each other and both are the same size and one is on all fours and the other is standing most people would think the one standing is a lot bigger. People really are not that big but since we walk around on two legs we are taller than most animals, especially animals which live in north america. Infact I think the grizzly is the only thing taller(well polar bears in canada, way up there). Thats why almost all animals are scared of humans, and its rare that anything attack us. If you run at a black bear screaming at it, there is a good chance it will run. You have to have some guts to run at a bear though.

Lore | 05-17-2006 05:49 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. I just finished a ride through the B.C. Rockies and saw more wildlife than I've seen in twenty years, including a mother black bear with two cubs, and one big old bachelor fishing salmon. Beautiful. My experience is that animals want to be left alone. If you make some noise, odds are that they'll move off, bears included. I put harness bells on my bike when I go off-road. ... Some Asian vendors have been paying hunters to kill black bears and take the testes and claws for ridiculous aphrodisiac potions, but Rangers are catching quite a few of the poachers lately. Quote:
Thy servant slew both the lion and the bear: and this uncircumcised Philistine shall be as one of them, seeing he hath defied the armies of the living God.
Those poor uncircumsized Philistines got a raw deal. :s:

Curtman | 05-17-2006 05:51 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Programing nearly complete, indoctrination into the pantywaist coward culture next.

bjgnome | 05-17-2006 06:02 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. 3 people killed by alligators in FL last few weeks... They usually get a little more agressive during mating season (now), but no rain has 'em really grumpy. http://www.gatorland.com/images/tony_wrestle.jpg

Fixture | 05-18-2006 02:59 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. What's wrong with people I keep hearing stories in the news of people getting killed by animals.... Well, wild animals are just that... WILD. Went for a Harley Ride today on a road close-by. Went about 45 miles North, nbd. At about the 43mm I noticed a sign I've never seen before and let me say, I've driven ALL over the Western states for the past 30 years. The sign said, "GRIZZLY HABITAT." The sign showed a Grizzly and black bear silhouette. That sign got me a little puckered. No traffic, no firearm, no cell phone. I imagined that the ba$$tards were crowding the lane and would reach out and grab me! They didn't. BUT....l what if they did? haha

Curtman | 05-18-2006 03:22 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Cougars and Grizz are both man stalkers/eaters. It is my policy to kill everyone I can. Same as Snattle Rakes. The only protection they have from me is to git and fast. Snakes and Cougars will go the other way when you turn on them and make them the hunted but a grizz does not give up ground easy, there was a reason they were nearly all hunted into extinction. Wolves are now also re-introduced into the Pacific Northwest National Park Emphasis on park. Just goes to show you what freaks we have running the National Parks these days, human life means nothing to these idiots. The wolves so far are not a problem but in time and when prey is scarce they will be. The best protection against one species lures in the others. Dogs scare away bears and cougars but a female will draw in the wolves. The best early warning sign for all is a Mule, and they want the same thing you soon will, for the predator to be dead.

thorgrim | 05-18-2006 03:26 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. It's not so much the animals attacking people. It happens. What bothers me is the cowardly response of most of the people involved. If people are too timid to stand up to a wild animal they aren't going to stand up to tyrannical government. It sickens me.

Alric | 05-18-2006 03:30 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. How often do wolves kill people? Most of the problems with wild animals is because so many idiots feed them. If everyone had half a brain no one would ever get hurt by any of them. Snakes don't hunt anyone. All snakes that live in north america will leave the area if they see or hear you. The only problem is when you sneak up on it and step on one.

Curtman | 05-18-2006 04:10 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric How often do wolves kill people? Most of the problems with wild animals is because so many idiots feed them. If everyone had half a brain no one would ever get hurt by any of them. Snakes don't hunt anyone. All snakes that live in north america will leave the area if they see or hear you. The only problem is when you sneak up on it and step on one.
There are very few reports of wolves attacking people these days, What is said is that as they become more prolific there will be a reduction in prey and it is at that time when all predators start getting more aggressive. Snakes in the North are not large enough to hunt people but other places they are. A rattler has no business being alive, they are good only for rats and mice control and the fox mink owls coyotes hawks and owls can handle the most of them. Snakes are sneaky like cats and cannot be trusted, that is why they are called snakes. Black snakes and other non poisonous snakes are permitted so long as they are not in my space.

Alric | 05-18-2006 04:44 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. I am not really sure killing off entire species of animals because you don't like them is really an answer to anything. The way I see it, if they don't bug you, leave them alone.

ASG | 05-18-2006 07:30 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. That cowardly attitude has been pounded into people their entire lives now. Kids in school are taught they cannot defend themselves and instead are told to "get help" if anything happens, and people are taught by the govt. not to defend themselves and be armed but "get help". Is it any surprise that things are this bad now?

ajrocks | 05-18-2006 08:57 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. it's the gubberment, even when I was young they started pushing the no bullying etc. They teach kids not to fight, call the police. I've had some runins with the neighbors cause of either my ex - White trash city girl - Slutty look - I have a weakness for that type of girl - "The kind you don't bring home to mother" and cause of Stupid stuff with my step kids. This seems to be more prevailant than to resolve it yourself - Plus most people know that the police will mess up your life for a bit when you call them. PEOPLE SUCK!!!

Ash_Williams | 05-18-2006 09:25 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. So I should be ok if I look real tall and scary and run and yell at the uncircumcised Philistine? I can understand not taking on a bear. I've seen those things in action, up close, and a human is like a mosquito. I remember camping up north, and one day we were driving back to the trailer in the evening and saw a bear walking around a buick parked near the bush. It didn't give a damn about us in the truck as we stopped to see what was up, it just walked over and looked in the window of the buick. Then it ripped the door open. No need for Jaws of life. It just stepped up with the front legs on the roof, got a claw in the crack between the door and the frame, and ripped the thing right down. The class cracked and fell out and the bear kept pulling until the door was all bent to hell and basically open. I guess it found some food in there. I've also seen one pull a big green dumpster over like it was nothing. And neither of these bears looked all that big. When I can bench press a tonne I'll think about taking on a bear. Until then I'll just let them maul whomever the hell they want.

DrillAndFill | 05-18-2006 10:27 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. I agree with all the angry posters. This country is going to hell. Everything is crap today. Nothing is as good as it was when I was younger, during the Crimean War, and it's the government's fault, brainwashing everyone to be weak and dependent. Why, when I was a kid in Nebraska we fought off giant squid and great whites with a Smith & Wesson and a branch from a poplar tree. If you lost a leg, Mom made a bandanna and wrapped it around the stump, and you were to show up for supper and dancing that very same evening, or you'd be made fun of! I'm outraged! I'm outraged, I tell you! When we went huntin', we didn't do it from the back of some pickup truck with night-vision goggles like some Starbucks-sippin' Birkenstock dirt worshippers, either. A rusty blade and your wits brought down the bear, then a merciful rap on the skull with the butt of the shotgun, and we hauled home what meat we could carry. I tell you who I blame for this sad state of affairs in our country: other people, that's who! Foreigners, people whose religious practices differ from mine in the slightest, and secret cabals are responsible for everything bad that has happened to me, from my slightest personal failure to all the historical events which have occurred since the Cleveland Administration. Other people are responsible for the way people blame other people and won't take responsibility. It makes me sick how everything has gone to hell! [I apologize for not linking to a one-sided hatchet-job web article without comment, per the guidelines of this forum. I hope my use of my own words will be permitted in this case.]

Ash_Williams | 05-18-2006 11:02 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. I'll walk through the forest without a weapon, but I'm not suicidal to the point where I'd walk through the city that way. At least the animals aren't junkies who rob people for drug money. Also, I'd actually feed bad if I killed an animal, even if it was attacking me. If I was a human I'd probably piss on their corpse.

Shorty_Harris | 05-18-2006 11:04 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. I dont think that it is so much the fact that people have lost the will to live, as much as it is that the vast majority of people are "nature ignorant". i mean the wildest beast most of em come in contact with is a nieghborhood dog with a bad attitude. you are born, live most of your life, then die in the vast urban sprawl that has taken over once open, wild country. Then on top of that you have the media portraying nature as something to be feared and ran away from. people have lost the fact that man has lived along side and with wild animals for millions of yrs and for the most part has done just fine. Even now i talk to people all the time and thier idea of going camping is to load up all their crap into a motor coach or other type of RV with thier T.V's, microwave oven, gameboys, and laptops and say that they are going camping. well, ive got news...that aint camping! then when they have a situation where they actually come in contact w/ something that doesnt compute they freak the "F' out. they litteraly have no clue as to what to do. Survival in the wild is (for the most part) basic common sense...make lots of noise, let them know that you are there. watch what you take out w/ you, and how its stored. and for the ladies, for god sake there is NO need to take sweet smelling perfumes or flowery scented soap. exactly who are you trying to impress...the odd guy w/ the beard and the flanel shirt? dont worry about it, they dont care if your hair smells like "wild orchid" or good ol "ode de camp fire.. but the bottom line is when you are out and about enjoying the great outdoors use you brain, and think about where you are and what should you do BEFORE something should wander into your camp or decide to cross your trail. and the last thing you should do imo is to run! if you run it will want to chase you. and for the most part some pot bellied, sweet smelling, city folk in a bright pretty shirt and eating a bag of oreo's WILL look like a buffet to most animals that are large enough to do any harm.

Ponce Cuba | 05-18-2006 11:42 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. I suspect my cat of trying to give me a heart attack in order to keep my silver, she keep bringing me live snakes and putting them on my lap when I am here. At least she doesn't do it anymore with birds, shes probabla afraid of the bird flu. Anyway........... going to play some Texas Hold Them at the club....... see you guy later and have a nice day :cheerful: wish me luck :beer: cheers.

hirise | 05-18-2006 11:43 AM
Thanks, Drill - I NEEDED a belly laugh! That was superb! Still laughing. Crimean war - stump - blame - Are you a professional satirist? The Onion needs you!

wallew | 05-20-2006 12:24 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. I REALLY don't know what everyone HERE is complaining about! REALLY! Those animals are just 'thinning the gene pool' of STUPID PEOPLE. Those that were attacked and survived PROBABLY won't do that anymore. And if they continue the STUPID BEHAVIOR, I personally hope they become a mid afternoon snack for a hungry predator. Be it human or animal. Good riddance to BAD RUBBISH!! And if you are a parent who lets your children just wander the streets or the forrest unattended and that child disappears, TOO F'ing bad. Go make more! They are BUT CANNON FODDER for the coming shtf... That means IF mean ol (insert name of animal here) or human approaches ME, they BEST be prepared for a hail of lead. Probably in multiple calibers. My handgun or shotgun is only there to allow me to stall whatever 'beast' is at the door while I retrieve a semiautomatic battle rifle in at least .30 !!

Fixture | 05-20-2006 06:36 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtman Cougars and Grizz are both man stalkers/eaters.
I've had black bear on my place before and did a little research on them. According to the ID Dept. of Fish & Game, bears have "situational cognizance" meaning that if they have a pleasent experience they'll "remember" it and desire to repeat it. Same goes for an unpleasent experience. Bear spray, a few birdshot blasts, lot's of noise. Also, an aside about Grizzliies, when I first moved up to North Idaho I was acquainted with the shoot-shovel-shut up philosophy by the following story. A guy was living on his acreage near Nordman, ID about 30 miles N of us. Seems as though he lost 2 sheep from a bear attack. Seems as though he staked out his pen the following night and lied in wait for what he thought was a black bear sow. Well, a huge, male grizz appeared at 0230. He placed 6 rounds into the head & shoulders and went to bed. Next day a hole is dug with a backhoe. So far, so good. As guy is about to shove the 500 pound carcass into said hole, he decides to get a souvenier and lops off both the bears fore-paws with his brush saw. Into the hole he goes. He soaks the paws for 72 hours in a saline solution and places them on the roof of his barn for 30 days. After 30 days he sews leather panels over the stumps and placed the souveniers on his mantle. 2 yaers later new "neighbor" shows up and wants coffee. Guy invites him in to get coffee. Nieghbor admires paws and asks if they are "real" or the fake indian artifacts at the mall. Guy tells him the story. Neighbor leaves and calls the dial-a-phed hotline. A week later Guy is met by two rangers in business suits at his place. They say that they have questions about his proprerty and can they enter. He lets them in. Both go straight to the mantle, retrieve the paws and arrest him. After 10K in legal fee's, guy is fined 20k, loses his place and is forced to g1ve up his hunting licenses for 10 years. He also has to piss test for probation. Why? Guess they discovered beers in his fridge. SHOOT-SHOVEL-SHUT UP.

Fixture | 05-20-2006 06:56 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. SUDDEN IMPACT Re: People have lost the will to live. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wolve's are in a catagory all their own. Wild Wolve's never attacked any one in the 1800's or 1900's etc.. Hey Sudden Impact. In my family, we have kind of a strange tradition. As someone hits 70 yoa, we talk to them and ask for hours and hours of their childhood memories. It keep the family alive, ya know? Anyway, my grandpa Mike came to the US in 1903 from Manitoba. He recounted a vivid story that I'll present to you. He was a youngster, about 9 yoa and going home from his school. He lived about a mile away...it was about 4pm, clouds were dark...storm blowing in. As he went around the first bend, he heard snarls and noticed 2 wolves off to his left. He then noticed MANY wolf shadows on his right. He then saw three of them bhind him, in plain sight. He was now blocked off from school and scared. He started walking faster then running. The shadows on his right and left were going ballistic. It was a pack, not a hunting party. He didn't know what to do, so he threw a rabbit skin glove over his shoulder. That stopped three of them as they fought over it. He then threw the other one and ran as fast as he could to get home.He made it. He told me that story in his 60's and he was still scared sheetlisss over it. His body language and tenor voice confirmed it.

Curtman | 05-20-2006 09:56 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. First law of survival, kill anything that threatens you. As for the neighbor rat, his paws should be now displayed on the mantle. If an animal is threatening you or your livestock, no law says you have to let it consume you or be victorious in any manner. It will just break you trying to defend yourself in a court of law if you don't. If that does not seem right to you, you are right. There is a breakdown in this system

DrillAndFill | 05-20-2006 10:25 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtman It will just break you trying to defend yourself in a court of law if you don't. If that does not seem right to you, you are right. There is a breakdown in this system
If it threatens you, go at it. If it threatens your property, and at the same time it's a rare species, unlike us, then I have no problem with the law breaking you to pieces in court. Humans are not a threatened species. Ranchers who can't get by without shooting endangered species should find another line of work, and stop thinking that the world owes them a free lunch. There's a place for people who shoot endangered species: prison.

Curtman | 05-20-2006 10:28 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Not one of your most stellar post. :banghead:

DrillAndFill | 05-21-2006 11:20 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Quote:
Originally Posted by Elijah :thumpdown Usually your post don't disturb me, fact I like them. I would like to ask you where do you think your food supply comes from?
My food supply comes from fruit and vegetable growers. Most Americans get their meat and dairy products from low-labor, highly-bureacratized factory farming corporations. If farming requires that we kill endangered species, then we all need to lose some weight. I doubt that any American has ever starved because a rancher was unable to shoot a member of an endangered species. Quote:
There is no real endangered species in ranching or farming areas in north America. If they are there it is because some nut job in politics thought it'd be neat to re-introduced (?) them to an area where there are too many people living today.
We differ on the legitimacy of declaring species threatened or endangered. The process looks legitimate to me. My only complaint is that it could be more strict. There are plenty of large and small interests who hate this sort of regulation, and politicians have been too willing to look the other way in exchange for campaign cash. Quote:
Never mind the farmer or rancher or even the folks living in these areas. Ya want grizzlies, wolves or mountain lions have the govt dump em out in your yard.
I have no problem with anyone shooting a grizzly that threatens them personally. I doubt that anyone has lost their livelihood because their ranch was overrun by endangered animals, because of their scarcity: there are not enough of them around. Quote:
Oh, and have you ever had to get your living from a farm or ranch?It's a tough living.
I haven't. Both my grandfathers did, and saw it as a bitter, hard-work, tough-luck proposition. So they went to school and got into something else. When your profession is in danger or immoral, you find something else. Some cannot, because they are too committed financially to switch, or without the resources to pull out and find a new way of life. They have my sympathy. I don't see how shooting endangered species will be of any significant help to them. Quote:
When I grew up a family could get by and make it with 15-20 head of milk cows, tough but it could be done. Today it takes closer to 100 head just to get by. I might add it's a 7 day a week job somedays 16+ hours a day.
This is true. I'll bet that it's because you are competing against large automated factory farms, and that is a separate issue, and a huge one. I doubt that it is because your farm is overrun with grizzlies killing your cattle. I don't know if there is a free-market solution to the problem of massive factory farming running out the independents. I have no doubt that small ranchers are getting the crap kicked out of them. I also know that the government has bent over backward allowing ranchers to graze public lands, and charges them virtually nothing for the privilege. I don't know which ranchers have benefitted from this, but my point is that ranchers have enjoyed breaks as well as hardships from the government. If we need to make stuff extinct in order to eat, then first we need to lose some weight. If that doesn't work, it's time for human population reduction. Fine if you disagree with this, but it's my position.

Walter Mitty | 05-21-2006 11:47 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Buckshot had a post over on survivalblog.com relating to wild dog attacks after a major shtf scenario. Anyway he said you either establish yourself as the top predator in your AO, or you will be looked upon as food. I thought it was an interesting concept.

Alric | 05-22-2006 12:23 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. It would be a shame if we killed all wild animals on earth. Its the way we are going right now. Some people won't be happy untill all that are farm animals.

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DrillAndFill | 05-22-2006 12:39 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Quote:
Originally Posted by Elijah So, let's have all the fruit and veggie eating bunny huggers line up to have bears, lions and wolves turned loose in their neighborhood...
For the life of me, I can't figure out why people who eat fruits and vegetables are contemptible trash. What on earth...? Quote:
What you are suggesting would be fine if there was any true balance in nature anymore. Man has so screwed up the balance it will never be restored by re-introducing these wild predators back into our overpopulated environment.
You are putting words in my mouth. My original post discussed shooting endangered species, period. The reintroduction programs are a separate issue. And should I increase my meat intake because of this? Quote:
All life lives on life. Some of us do eat a little higher up the chain and have just as much right to do so as those who choose not too. This subject is too emotional for me to discuss further, y'all just go on and believe whatever you think is right. I've lived all my nearly 60 years very close to the earth, I'm part Native American and I do have great respect for the lion, bear, wolf, eagle, and also the owl and the other predators. But I have also devoted a lot of private study to wildlife management. So, I do know a bit about what I speak.
It's emotional for a lot of us. There are ranchers, enviros, and huge agribusiness corporations with an interest in the outcome. Who do you think that the corporations will try to divide against one another to win? I'm not going to say I feel your pain in a sanctimonious voice, because I don't know what your life is really like. But it is clear that independent ranchers are getting the shaft.

Curtman | 05-22-2006 12:46 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Kill the Bear eat the Bear. Kill the Cougar eat the Cougar. Kill the Rattle Snake eat the Rattle Snake. They all make for a fine supper. Never ate an Owl or an Eagle before. Never ate a Wolf either but had Dog in Mexico a few times. Can't say it was bad either. Them Mexicans like Asians have a way of making something taste good. Goat sucks though, stinks up the whole house when it's cooking.

Turtleguy9 | 05-22-2006 03:00 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. I guess you will have to be very careful if you come to Hawaii, we have some nice species of endanged Flies. If they should approach your vegetable patch, please refrain from harming them. I have never heard of a vegetable farmer ever going out of business, due to insect predators, have you? http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho...n/7341609.html

WAoG | 05-22-2006 03:08 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Quote:
Originally Posted by DrillAndFill If it threatens you, go at it. If it threatens your property, and at the same time it's a rare species, unlike us, then I have no problem with the law breaking you to pieces in court. Humans are not a threatened species. Ranchers who can't get by without shooting endangered species should find another line of work, and stop thinking that the world owes them a free lunch. There's a place for people who shoot endangered species: prison. I have no problem with anyone shooting a grizzly that threatens them personally. I doubt that anyone has lost their livelihood because their ranch was overrun by endangered animals, because of their scarcity: there are not enough of them around.
So let it eat your chickens, your sheep, your cat, then your dog and went it comes for you then you can stop it? This has to be the dumbest post I have ever read on this forum. You appear to be right some people really have no right to live they are just too brain-dead and brainwashed.

Curtman | 05-22-2006 03:24 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. The attitude is characteristic of eastern mentality. Though the ass is a great poster in many areas often expressing much knowlage it has no concept of life we live in the west. I bet if a Cougar bit that Donkey on the Ass it would want somebody to shoot the cougar. http://goldismoney.info/forums/custo...atar2525_5.gif

Alric | 05-22-2006 03:52 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. What they needed to do was have large area as national parks instead of small ones. That was their biggest problem. They give them just enough amount of space that if they roam outside a set area they run into people.

DrillAndFill | 05-22-2006 09:51 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtman The attitude is characteristic of eastern mentality. Though the ass is a great poster in many areas often expressing much knowlage it has no concept of life we live in the west. I bet if a Cougar bit that Donkey on the Ass it would want somebody to shoot the cougar.
Rush Limbaugh told me to hate you, too! (Actually, I can't do that sort of AM radio since Muffy spilled starbucks all over the entertainment console in the Mercedes -- it is still stuck on NPR.) I can't speak for the easterners, not being one myself, but they might want to have some words with you on the following topics: Federal Spending in State Per Dollar of Federal Taxes -- In particular, check out New Mexico (2.00), the Dakotas (1.73 & 1.49), Oklahoma (1.48), Montana (1.58), Idaho (1.28), Utah (1.14), Missouri (1.29), Nebraska (1.07): all getting back more than they contribute per dollar of federal taxes paid. Now check out the numbers for Delaware, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Hampshire, and New Jersey. I hope you shush your neighbors down if they so much as think about secession, because they'd be gutting the golden calf. The History of the Bureau of Reclamation -- this is my personal favorite -- a sample: "More than a century ago John Wesley Powell, the nation's pioneer hydrographer and an explorer of the Grand Canyon, concluded that so much of the West was virtually desert that if all the flowing water in the region were applied to it, the water would spread too thin to make much difference." Similar remarks apply to the longtime activities of the Army Corp of Engineers, who competed with the Bureau for eastern tax dollars to spend in the west. Before these projects, there were far fewer western ranchers: ever wonder why? Dairy Price Supports Grazing in public land -- $4.11 per head per month. Wow. This land belongs to the eastern elite as much as to you, since they more than paid for it in the categories above. The economy of most, and arguably all, western states, exists because of the largesse of eastern taxpayers, beginning around 1902. Do you have the funds to repay these folks for the money taken from their great-grandparents through their parents? If not, then stop pretending that you're an island unto yourself. Because they are perfectly justified in asking: Would you like a Cadillac with that welfare check?

number six | 05-22-2006 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DrillAndFill I agree with all the angry posters. This country is going to hell. Everything is crap today. Nothing is as good as it was when I was younger, during the Crimean War, and it's the government's fault, brainwashing everyone to be weak and dependent. Why, when I was a kid in Nebraska we fought off giant squid and great whites with a Smith & Wesson and a branch from a poplar tree. If you lost a leg, Mom made a bandanna and wrapped it around the stump, and you were to show up for supper and dancing that very same evening, or you'd be made fun of! I'm outraged! I'm outraged, I tell you! When we went huntin', we didn't do it from the back of some pickup truck with night-vision goggles like some Starbucks-sippin' Birkenstock dirt worshippers, either. A rusty blade and your wits brought down the bear, then a merciful rap on the skull with the butt of the shotgun, and we hauled home what meat we could carry. I tell you who I blame for this sad state of affairs in our country: other people, that's who! Foreigners, people whose religious practices differ from mine in the slightest, and secret cabals are responsible for everything bad that has happened to me, from my slightest personal failure to all the historical events which have occurred since the Cleveland Administration. Other people are responsible for the way people blame other people and won't take responsibility. It makes me sick how everything has gone to hell! [I apologize for not linking to a one-sided hatchet-job web article without comment, per the guidelines of this forum. I hope my use of my own words will be permitted in this case.]
10/10 :tongue:

Infidel | 05-24-2006 03:52 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. http://www.filecabi.net/video/cougarboss.html So who wants to wrestle bears and coguars? "Hit it with a stick! It's not a grizzly." Whatever. Stooopid http://www.filecabi.net/video/huntedhunted.html something bigger. but the guy was lucky he was not alone shooting the beast http://www.filecabi.net/video/leopard-attack.html

chewy | 05-24-2006 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Alric How often do wolves kill people? Most of the problems with wild animals is because so many idiots feed them. If everyone had half a brain no one would ever get hurt by any of them.
I remember a story years back about this lady and her kids in Yellowstone, I think it was. They were trying to feed a bear honey! Their only exposure and understanding about bears was from Disney movies or something, because she got killed. I don't remember all the details but it was a true story.

Fixture | 05-26-2006 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Curtman As for the neighbor rat, his paws should be now displayed on the mantle.
Nice thought! Thanx 4 the laugh!

thorgrim | 05-27-2006 05:05 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. zhukher As far as I'm concerned your movie actually proved my point. The cougar protecting it's baby was easily able to scare off the grizz. Why? cause the grizz just wanted an easy meal but the mother cougar had more to lose. Once the bear got hurt a little it said to itself screw this it ain't worth it. As for the other clips I wasn't talking about lions or pissed off leopards and that guy wasn't even hurt that bad. If you read my post you would have read the part where the guy was able to pick up the cougar and throw it. Thats when the cougar said screw this it ain't worth the effort. That was bare handed and unprepared and thats the mind set you have to have if you want to survive. Bottom line you don't run off to get help leaving someone to get mauled to death with out even trying to help them. And you don't give up. A cougar could probably kill me but it would die later cause i would put my thumbs so far into its eyes it wouldn't see right ever again. That was the point of my post.

Alric | 05-27-2006 05:16 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Thats why they say you need to be careful if you ever run into a bear cubs and stuff. Most animals wont attack you but if you try walking up to one of the babies they will.

DC7 | 05-27-2006 10:57 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. "bears have "situational cognizance" meaning that if they have a pleasent experience they'll "remember" it and desire to repeat it. Same goes for an unpleasent experience." "let it eat your chickens, your sheep, your cat, then your dog" "If it threatens your property, and at the same time it's a rare species, unlike us, then I have no problem with the law breaking you to pieces in court." "can't get by without shooting endangered species should find another line of work, and stop thinking that the world owes them a free lunch" "There's a place for people who shoot endangered species: prison" Drill, Think about it. Say you own a piece of property and have 2 sheep, 6 chickens, 10 rabbits, a goat, a dog, and two children. One night one of some animal kills your goat. A couple nights later a sheep. Then your other sheep. And so on until you have no animals left. At what point are your animals lives worth more than the animal attacking it? At what point do you feel the attacking animal becomes dangerous? When does your property just become a cafateria for wild animals? Put yourself in the place of someone responsible for the care of thier animals. After thinking about it for awhile then decide if protecting the lives of your animals and the benefits you derive from them means you're out for a free lunch and deserve prison. Not saying wanting to preserve nature is wrong. Just want you to consider the other side of the story. :confused:

Alric | 05-27-2006 01:50 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. I say its fine to shoot the animal is its on your farm trying to eat your animals, but most of the time people go out and hunt the animal which could be 3 miles away and may never bother them. Not that they should be any where near each other. Its stupid to release animals 5 miles away from where people are farming. Though if someone builds a house when they know the animal is there, thats their problem.

J.D.Rockinfeller | 05-27-2006 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DrillAndFill If it threatens you, go at it. If it threatens your property, and at the same time it's a rare species, unlike us, then I have no problem with the law breaking you to pieces in court. Humans are not a threatened species. Ranchers who can't get by without shooting endangered species should find another line of work, and stop thinking that the world owes them a free lunch. There's a place for people who shoot endangered species: prison.
Please do some research on the "endangered species list" before you post it as something that is to be believed much less defended! I LIVE in yellowstone country ......the griz # s are 7x what the political activists/malcontents behind the ESA. would have you believe! the wolves were said before reintroduction to remain in the park & cull the buffalo population (werent buffalo threatened with extinction?)....they have not killed a single bleeping buff! but have wrought havoc on the elk herds, and are now documented to be living over 300 miles from the park.....endangered species! Spoken like some easterner who does'nt see this every day!

Alric | 05-27-2006 07:16 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. I may be mistaken but I thought buffalo lived in grass lands not in the forest. I guess they could live in the forest though but they don't seem like something wolves would naturally hunt. Now elk, they have lived with wolves forever. I know they will eat them.

thorgrim | 05-31-2006 02:02 AM
Re: People have lost the will to live. gasilat Thats a great story and I too have have read storys of other encounters where the people survived by not giving up and fighting till what they must have thought was the end. Thats why the first two stories I mentioned bothered me because there were people involved that could have potentially saved someone else had they tried but they didn't. They just took off to "get help" but by then of course it was too late. If anyone thought I was bashing the people who died that was not my intent. It was the other cowardly people that let it happen.

thorgrim | 07-24-2006 01:54 AM
Man has sharp fangs too. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/23072006/...h-ontario.html Canoeist stabs bear to death in Ontario Sun Jul 23, 10:50 AM A man stabbed a black bear to death with a 15-cm hunting knife, saying he knew he would otherwise become "lunch" after it attacked him and his dog on a canoeing portage in northern Ontario. Tom Tilley, a 55-year-old from Waterloo, Ont., said his American Staffordshire dog growled a warning, then rushed to his defence as the bear came at them on a trail north of Wawa on Friday. As the dog battled with the nearly 90-kilogram bear, Tilley jumped on its back and stabbed it with his knife. "Love is a very powerful emotion and my thought right away was: 'You're not going to kill my dog,'" Tilley told the Waterloo Region Record. "I really consider my dog a hero. Without that first warning, I would have had the bear clamping down on my neck." An avid outdoorsman, Tilley was four days into a 12-day canoe trip. He said he heard his dog growl and noticed the bear closing in on him. He waved his arms and slowly backed away. But the bear came closer, cutting off his escape route. "That's when I knew I had a serious problem.... I was lunch," he said. "The bear took a few steps down the trail and clamped its mouth on the back of my dog. It gave me the quick opportunity I needed to run around to the back of the bear, get on its back and with my knife start stabbing it." After making sure the animal was dead, Tilley realized that both he and dog had been bitten. -Tom Tilley, a 55-year-old from Waterloo, Ont.' He dragged his canoe across a short portage and paddled for about an hour before he came across a pair of Americans who had a satellite phone. They called for help and two hours later, a cargo plane arrived to take Tilley to Wawa for medical attention. He was released from hospital shortly after. Bears rarely attack humans, but there have been several killings and serious maulings in Canada in recent years, including: - In late April, a grizzly attacked and killed Jean-Francois Pag�, a 28-year-old man from Whitehorse who was working in the bush about 30 kilometres east of the Yukon community. - Jacqueline Perry, 30, was killed by a black bear that attacked her and her husband at a campsite in Missinaibi Lake Provincial Park in northern Ontario in September 2005. - Isabelle Dube, a 26-year-old mother of one, died in June 2005 after being mauled by a grizzly bear while she and friends were running on a hiking trail near Canmore, Alta.

mtnman | 07-24-2006 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Lore (Post 250185) Some Asian vendors have been paying hunters to kill black bears and take the testes and claws for ridiculous aphrodisiac potions, but Rangers are catching quite a few of the poachers lately.:s:
Bear Gall Bladder is the item wanted by the Asians. Not Balls and Claws.

mtnman | 07-24-2006 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Alric (Post 250754) Snakes don't hunt anyone. All snakes that live in north america will leave the area if they see or hear you. The only problem is when you sneak up on it and step on one.
Obviously you�ve never been chased by a "Cotton Mouth" Or had one come in your boat. I have had both of these experiences and they are not fun.

Alric | 07-24-2006 05:31 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. Ok maybe I should have said most. Most won't attack you and are easy to avoid. There has never been a reported account of a cottonmouth killing anyone though and the number of cottonmouth bites are small compared to other snakes living in the US. So maybe it will try to get you but I would hardly call it hunting you. As for sneaking, I didn't actually mean sneak, but just walking normal. If the animal is unaware of you then you might as well be sneaking up on it.

GoldWampum | 07-24-2006 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 308798) Obviously you�ve never been chased by a "Cotton Mouth" Or had one come in your boat. I have had both of these experiences and they are not fun.
That's a fact. One chased us through the yard once when I was a kid. We got an adult with a shotgun. When he confronted it, that cottonmouth opened and there was a shrieking hiss. He blew shot down it's throat all the way to the tail.

Jasper | 07-24-2006 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DrillAndFill (Post 250833) I agree with all the angry posters. This country is going to hell. Everything is crap today. Nothing is as good as it was when I was younger, during the Crimean War, and it's the government's fault, brainwashing everyone to be weak and dependent. Why, when I was a kid in Nebraska we fought off giant squid and great whites with a Smith & Wesson and a branch from a poplar tree. If you lost a leg, Mom made a bandanna and wrapped it around the stump, and you were to show up for supper and dancing that very same evening, or you'd be made fun of! I'm outraged! I'm outraged, I tell you! When we went huntin', we didn't do it from the back of some pickup truck with night-vision goggles like some Starbucks-sippin' Birkenstock dirt worshippers, either. A rusty blade and your wits brought down the bear, then a merciful rap on the skull with the butt of the shotgun, and we hauled home what meat we could carry. I tell you who I blame for this sad state of affairs in our country: other people, that's who! Foreigners, people whose religious practices differ from mine in the slightest, and secret cabals are responsible for everything bad that has happened to me, from my slightest personal failure to all the historical events which have occurred since the Cleveland Administration. Other people are responsible for the way people blame other people and won't take responsibility. It makes me sick how everything has gone to hell! [I apologize for not linking to a one-sided hatchet-job web article without comment, per the guidelines of this forum. I hope my use of my own words will be permitted in this case.]
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Originally Posted by hirise (Post 250895) I NEEDED a belly laugh! That was superb! Still laughing. Crimean war - stump - blame - Are you a professional satirist? The Onion needs you!
Yes, Drill is quite the dab hand at satire. Before I read him I had no idea that I was personally responsible for WWI, WWII, the creation of the atomic bomb, the nuclear holocausts of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the phosphorus bombing of Dresden and other German cities, the carpet firebombing of Tokyo, the current bombing of Lebanon, etc., and the deaths of hundreds of millions of folk I had absolutely no beef with at all. Funny how I can't recall ever having ordered any of this up. Guess I must have forgot ... Yep, Drill sure is one funny guy. Pity he keeps his head stuck so far up a rather rude place (I'd better not mention for fear of offending his exquisite sensibilities) that a fire hose probably couldn't wash it out. :thrasher:

Old Steel | 07-24-2006 11:09 PM
Re: People have lost the will to live. I am watching NTGEO right now and they just said that elephants are killing over 500 people on a yearly basis and that number is rising. Didn't know that. Seems many animals are losing their fear of humans so if you are going to be in an area where wild animals are prevelant you had better prepare yourself for what you might meet up with.

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