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eyeofliberty | 11-06-2007 02:37 PM
My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres 3 Attachment(s) Here's some pics of 10 acres of land I hope to buy soon, so I can build a home on it in about 5-7 years. Located in south central Oregon, northeast of Klamath Falls.

Manifespo | 11-06-2007 02:45 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres So much solar, wind, and bio-energy... So much water in the air. Congratulations in advance!

Tn...Andy | 11-06-2007 02:48 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Looks really pretty.....any of that timber yours ?

eyeofliberty | 11-06-2007 03:10 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 815871) Looks really pretty.....any of that timber yours ?
The timber is mine, ALL MINE! (Well, as soon as the purchase goes through.) :D

Tn...Andy | 11-06-2007 03:14 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Alright ! Cheap building materials.....my kinda place !

Streets Of Gold | 11-06-2007 03:21 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres :shocked_ma: WHAT!! :shocked_ma: That's the 10 acres that I wanted to buy....... Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :banghead: :scorpio:

Anty Ep | 11-06-2007 03:25 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres nice pics --- good for you

TLM | 11-06-2007 03:30 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Just some friendly advice: Don't wait that long, put a little cabin on it as soon as financially possible. Even if it's very small. You can use it as a little get-away, an escape in the SHTF scenario, and when you finish the Main house you can always use it as a guesthouse or rental cabin. Nice land. Peace TLM

eyeofliberty | 11-06-2007 03:35 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by TLM (Post 815969) Just some friendly advice: Don't wait that long, put a little cabin on it as soon as financially possible. Even if it's very small. You can use it as a little get-away, an escape in the SHTF scenario, and when you finish the Main house you can always use it as a guesthouse or rental cabin.
Not a bad idea. I was thinking maybe a yurt. http://pacificyurts.com/

REV127 | 11-06-2007 04:05 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres For nomads I think the yurt is awesome. Beyond that I would personally want something more substantial for a variety of reasons. Some logs, rocks and clay can make you a real, serviceable log cabin for not a whole lot more than the cost of your time and you'd gain some real skills in the process of putting it together. Doesn't have to be big, 10x10 is enough to sleep in and store some gear. A composting toilet, cess pit, septic system or other is easy to rig. There is also this, http://www.kodiaksteelhomes.com/models/

Argentsum | 11-06-2007 04:09 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Your place exceeds dreams of silver and gold, unless of course you find gold on your property. :D Seriously, you've got a nice little parcel to build on. Congrats.

Goald | 11-06-2007 05:45 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres wow! Quite beautiful. In fact, I'm looking in the same region myself. I did see in a post someone saying to stay away from Klamath Falls but as I gather, properties with a stream can come with water rights and I don't think flooding is a problem everywhere so I didn't get it- he didn't explain further. Is it true alot of the land is fee simple around there- no building restrictions etc? What will the annual taxes be if you don't mind me asking.

eyeofliberty | 11-06-2007 06:00 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by Goald (Post 816253) Quite beautiful. In fact, I'm looking in the same region myself. I did see in a post someone saying to stay away from Klamath Falls but as I gather, properties with a stream can come with water rights and I don't think flooding is a problem everywhere so I didn't get it- he didn't explain further. Is it true alot of the land is fee simple around there- no building restrictions etc? What will the annual taxes be if you don't mind me asking.
No flooding problem in this area. I wouldn't want to live IN or too close to K-Falls, but this is 45 miles NE of town. No restrictions, annual taxes (with nothing on it) is $45.

mtnman | 11-06-2007 06:05 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Are those high voltage lines on the property? If they are you can harness static electricity for the lights in your house. The Power Company won't like it but as long as you're not touching their wire there's not anything they can do.

eyeofliberty | 11-06-2007 06:48 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 816289) Are those high voltage lines on the property? If they are you can harness static electricity for the lights in your house. The Power Company won't like it but as long as you're not touching their wire there's not anything they can do.
Wow, how do you do that?

Infidel | 11-06-2007 06:51 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres this is plenty of good info here http://www.klamathbasincrisis.org/

lhslancers | 11-06-2007 06:53 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Congrats. That's real pretty country. Good luck with it.

blueice | 11-06-2007 06:58 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Nice score, Liberty...What did you have to pay...:questionm...What is the elevation there...:questionm....You have a brook running through your property:bull-buddy-icon:....I envy you!!! Excellent planning if I may add...

eyeofliberty | 11-06-2007 07:14 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by blueice (Post 816371) Nice score, Liberty...What did you have to pay...:questionm...What is the elevation there...:questionm....You have a brook running through your property:bull-buddy-icon:....I envy you!!! Excellent planning if I may add...
$19,000 5,800 feet

Canadian-guerilla | 11-06-2007 07:38 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres are those power lines on this property ? does the power company have right of way ? ( if yes, then i would look somewhere else for land ) is that brook on your property ? go for a walk, and find the source/head of that brook ( check out how much to drill a well ) if you really like this piece of land then as others have said put some type of building on it asap i would look into some kind of Quonset Hut ready made kits are available for under $10,000

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 11-06-2007 07:39 PM
Nice! You lucky bastage - congrats!

eyeofliberty | 11-06-2007 08:15 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadian-guerilla (Post 816443) are those power lines on this property ? does the power company have right of way ? ( if yes, then i would look somewhere else for land ) is that brook on your property ? go for a walk, and find the source/head of that brook ( check out how much to drill a well )
Yes, I will be checking all of this out. It's not a done-deal yet. It's all about the particulars!

blueice | 11-06-2007 08:43 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 816407) $19,000 5,800 feet
With that kink of view, I would say it is a fine price liberty... I was looking for property around the Black Hills and would have to pay 5 to 10K per acres...

Maddie | 11-06-2007 09:11 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Klamath Falls? Isn't that Sasquatch country? :shocked_ma: You see anything weird in your treeline, we want pictures! Congrats! It looks like a beautiful piece of land!

Waylon | 11-07-2007 12:32 AM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Less than 2k an acre with water out in the country. You have started right indeed. Do you plan to live here or prep the area as fallback or bugout land (retreat or vacation spot to the sheeple)? Try to keep the building simple as to not bring attention to yourself if you do not plan to stay here daily. I am barely ahead of you on my land. I just finished paying it off this month. I have erected a couple of out buildings to store equipment and am in deliberations on how to do septic without drawing attention from the county. Anyone with suggestions on this would be appreciated. Also, trying to decide on what to place on the land. I can get a 10x24 cabin ready made that they load on a flat bed truck and deliver to me for $5,000. There is nothing inside, so I would have to plumb it, wire it etc... I was also considering getting a 10-15 year old RV with about 30-50k miles on it for $10k to $14K that already has everything ready to go (heat, cooling, plumbing, cooking, etc...) and is made to run on low watts/amps. I would park it under a steel garage and be set. Third is electric. This is going to be my biggest expense. I want something I can move and I want it to be off-grid. Looking at ideas like this... http://www.mobilesolarpower.com/Imag...endedsmall.jpg http://www.mobilesolarpower.com/Imag...atsmallJPG.jpg or http://www.mobilesolarpower.net/imag...ator_ms300.jpg This is going to be my biggest expense outside the land by far (at least $30k or so). Any suggestions here would be helpful and welcomed too. I know TNAndy has done some solar work lately. Last is water. I am trying to decide if I should pump it out of the creek or dig a well. Will likely run the pump off a stand alone solar cell or hook it up to the trailer solar. Need to decide how to purify the stored water in good quantity. So my issues... 1. Cabin vs RV (note; this would change the way I heat both the air and the water heater) 2. Septic vs cess pool 3. Well versus creek 4. How to purify the water for drinking and bathing

MT Silver | 11-07-2007 12:39 AM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Liberty, are you sure that isn't the great state of MT? hehe :wink: :D :bear_tongue: Congrats on a smart decision. MT Silver

eyeofliberty | 11-07-2007 01:14 AM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 816659) Klamath Falls? Isn't that Sasquatch country? :shocked_ma: You see anything weird in your treeline, we want pictures!
Actually, I think he hangs out in the more rainforest-y areas west of the Cascades. :wink: This area is on the dry, east side of the Cascades.

Unclad Lad | 11-07-2007 01:21 AM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres It looks like your brook has enough slope for a low-head microhydro turbine. Make sure that you are allowed to divert or harness the water (I don't know if that is included in water rights). As for using some of the enery lost in transmission from the high tension wires running nearby, this has a very basic overview: http://www.mind-course.com/wireless.html I am jealous.

eyeofliberty | 11-07-2007 01:22 AM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by Waylon (Post 816980) Less than 2k an acre with water out in the country. You have started right indeed. Do you plan to live here or prep the area as fallback or bugout land (retreat or vacation spot to the sheeple)? Try to keep the building simple as to not bring attention to yourself if you do not plan to stay here daily.
Well, I would plan on living there full-time, but I don't know if the wife is going to go for it. She's a "city girl", as much as any native Oregonian is such a thing. So at the very least it will be vacation/retreat. I forgot to mention that the property is backed by national forest. Sweeeeet!

eyeofliberty | 11-07-2007 01:27 AM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by MT Silver (Post 816985) Liberty, are you sure that isn't the great state of MT? hehe :wink: :D :bear_tongue: Congrats on a smart decision. MT Silver
Kinda has that look, don't it? I would love to have property in Montana. Whereabouts are you over there? Oregon is a lot drier east of the Cascades. Right now we live on the west side, in the Willamette Valley.

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MT Silver | 11-07-2007 01:50 AM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 817027) Kinda has that look, don't it? I would love to have property in Montana. Whereabouts are you over there?
North central MT. My little piece of heaven is in the Little Belt mountains of central MT. I also have the same problem with my little lady, vacation/retreat, but not full time living. Just curious, how is your access in the winter? I have to either use a snowmobile or walk in. Helps keep the riffraff out.....knock on wood. :shocked_ma:

eyeofliberty | 11-07-2007 01:57 AM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by MT Silver (Post 817060) Just curious, how is your access in the winter? I have to either use a snowmobile or walk in. Helps keep the riffraff out.....knock on wood. :shocked_ma:
I don't know yet, but I'll be finding out soon. Not nearly as inaccessible as yours, I imagine. I'll be trekking down there the weekend of the 17th and 18th.

eyeofliberty | 11-07-2007 02:00 AM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by MT Silver (Post 817060) North central MT. My little piece of heaven is in the Little Belt mountains of central MT. I also have the same problem with my little lady, vacation/retreat, but not full time living.
Oh yeah, how little is your "little piece of heaven"? I'm starting to wonder if 10 acres is enough! :shocked_ma: How far are you from your property currently?

Waylon | 11-07-2007 02:09 AM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
eyeofliberty: I'm starting to wonder if 10 acres is enough!
If it backs up to a National Forest, you should be fine.

MT Silver | 11-07-2007 02:29 AM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres I second what waylon just said. No, I'm not some rancher with 1,000's of acres. Just 20, but all mine, and about an hour from the house. In eastern MT, they talk in sections, not acres. Of course it probably takes a section to feed a couple of cows on that side. Keep us updated, and don't forget to name your place. :wink:

eyeofliberty | 11-07-2007 12:01 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by Waylon (Post 817087) If it backs up to a National Forest, you should be fine.
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Originally Posted by MT Silver (Post 817109) I second what waylon just said. No, I'm not some rancher with 1,000's of acres. Just 20, but all mine, and about an hour from the house. In eastern MT, they talk in sections, not acres. Of course it probably takes a section to feed a couple of cows on that side. Keep us updated, and don't forget to name your place. :wink:
Good point about being backed by national forest. Name, name ... let's see, 'Galt's Gulch' has been done, and it's not a gulch anyway. I'll have to see what inspiration unfolds when I go for a visit.

blueice | 11-07-2007 12:48 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Howe much are the property taxes...:questionm...Lets me guess about $225.oo per year....

eyeofliberty | 11-07-2007 12:59 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by blueice (Post 818010) Howe much are the property taxes...:questionm...Lets me guess about $225.oo per year....]
Annual taxes are currently about $45.

Goald | 11-07-2007 01:05 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres I've looked at the klamath basin crisis website.. I still don't get why being far away from there is recommended, it seems there are a good number of properties with flowing water around there bancha. eyeofliberty- I was looking at the california side too, are there any huge differences when it comes to taxes/ land rights for example?.. any thoughts?

eyeofliberty | 11-07-2007 01:18 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by Goald (Post 818048) I've looked at the klamath basin crisis website.. I still don't get why being far away from there is recommended, it seems there are a good number of properties with flowing water around there bancha. eyeofliberty- I was looking at the california side too, are there any huge differences when it comes to taxes/ land rights for example?.. any thoughts?
As this property is at 5800 feet, I don't know if it qualifies as being part of the Basin. I'm not particularly worried about the water issues there, until I find out otherwise by having my 'boots on the ground'. As for how OR compares to CA on taxes/land rights, I don't know what they do in CA, so I can't compare. There's way too many other reasons for me to ever consider CA, to even research the matter. In fact, one of my primary concerns about this property is the closeness to CA, although it is on the other side of the Cascades from the I-5 corridor. If it was close to I-5 on the west side, that close to CA, I wouldn't even be looking at it.

Maddie | 11-07-2007 10:16 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 817018) Actually, I think he hangs out in the more rainforest-y areas west of the Cascades. :wink: This area is on the dry, east side of the Cascades.
http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_county_...county=Klamath :D

J.D.Rockinfeller | 11-07-2007 10:27 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 819142) http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_county_...county=Klamath :D
Thanx for the link ...found a few in teton county Wyo:eek_ma:...im glad i "carry":D

eyeofliberty | 11-08-2007 12:53 AM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 819142) http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_county_...county=Klamath :D
Hah! That's great, thanks for the link! Maybe I can get him/her/them to help build my home there. :bear_w00t:

shades2 | 11-08-2007 08:09 AM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Nice. Particularly the trees. Wish I was there, so we could be neighbours. :)

Maddie | 11-08-2007 10:21 AM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by J.D.Rockinfeller (Post 819161) Thanx for the link ...found a few in teton county Wyo:eek_ma:...im glad i "carry":D
I don't know. I second-thought the gun thing after reading some of the stories about how fast they move and how much gunfire tics them off! Don't know if I could make a shot that would quickly drop a charging/pouncing 8' bigfoot before it was on me, snapping my spine like a twig! Apparently, shooting into the air makes them really, really angry... Still, I know many bigfoot researchers carry, just in case. That is a beautiful piece of land, eyeofliberty! My dream is to have a piece of land like that.

eyeofliberty | 11-08-2007 11:43 AM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 819556) Nice. Particularly the trees. Wish I was there, so we could be neighbours. :)
Thanks, shades. I believe there are other parcels in the area that are for sale. I will take a bunch of photos when I go down the weekend of the 17-18th. Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 819760) That is a beautiful piece of land, eyeofliberty! My dream is to have a piece of land like that.
I really hope it is as nice as the pictures; I will soon find out! If you don't mind my asking, Maddie, in what state do you currently reside? I had initially wanted to buy property in Montana or Idaho, but I really love Oregon, and like the fact that I can go to the Pacific Ocean when I want to. We really do have quite a variety in this state, from coast, to rainforest, to high desert, etc. Anyway, I will give everybody an update with photos when I go down, and also report on the availability of other parcels in this area.

RealJack | 11-08-2007 11:59 AM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by Waylon (Post 816980) Less than 2k an acre with water out in the country. You have started right indeed. Do you plan to live here or prep the area as fallback or bugout land (retreat or vacation spot to the sheeple)? Try to keep the building simple as to not bring attention to yourself if you do not plan to stay here daily. I am barely ahead of you on my land. I just finished paying it off this month. I have erected a couple of out buildings to store equipment and am in deliberations on how to do septic without drawing attention from the county. Anyone with suggestions on this would be appreciated. Also, trying to decide on what to place on the land. I can get a 10x24 cabin ready made that they load on a flat bed truck and deliver to me for $5,000. There is nothing inside, so I would have to plumb it, wire it etc... I was also considering getting a 10-15 year old RV with about 30-50k miles on it for $10k to $14K that already has everything ready to go (heat, cooling, plumbing, cooking, etc...) and is made to run on low watts/amps. I would park it under a steel garage and be set. Third is electric. This is going to be my biggest expense. I want something I can move and I want it to be off-grid. Looking at ideas like this... http://www.mobilesolarpower.com/Imag...endedsmall.jpg http://www.mobilesolarpower.com/Imag...atsmallJPG.jpg or http://www.mobilesolarpower.net/imag...ator_ms300.jpg This is going to be my biggest expense outside the land by far (at least $30k or so). Any suggestions here would be helpful and welcomed too. I know TNAndy has done some solar work lately. Last is water. I am trying to decide if I should pump it out of the creek or dig a well. Will likely run the pump off a stand alone solar cell or hook it up to the trailer solar. Need to decide how to purify the stored water in good quantity. So my issues... 1. Cabin vs RV (note; this would change the way I heat both the air and the water heater) 2. Septic vs cess pool 3. Well versus creek 4. How to purify the water for drinking and bathing
No.2 (pun intended) My brother recently bought acreage with a cabin (shack) on a rock outcropping, overlooking a nice river in Ark. The problem was it didn't have a septic tank. The effluent ran through a pipe down to someone else's property.(Yikes!) He looked into installing a septic system and discovered it would require a raised bed and would have to be pumped uphill. It would have cost almost as much as he paid for the property. So, what he did was to purchase a portable 150 gal. black water tank on a trailer and run the pipe to the tank. That satisfied the code requirements. It's also good for when relatives or friends come to visit, he doesn't have to explain to them how to use the following. He then set up a Humanure composting system and has been using that exclusively. He placed the compost bins out of sight back in the cedar trees. Google Humanure. Super easy. Almost no expense. Environmentally sound. Helps replenish topsoil. Does not smell. His wife is amazed how easy and smell free it is. She actually really likes using it. I've been using a Humanure setup for a couple years. It's great. New saplings love the compost. As far as grey water goes, just use biodegradable soaps, and run it through a modest filtration setup, like gravel. No problem.

eyeofliberty | 11-08-2007 12:16 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by RealJack (Post 820012) He then set up a Humanure composting system and has been using that exclusively. He placed the compost bins out of sight back in the cedar trees. Google Humanure. Super easy. Almost no expense. Environmentally sound. Helps replenish topsoil. Does not smell. His wife is amazed how easy and smell free it is. She actually really likes using it. I've been using a Humanure setup for a couple years. It's great. New saplings love the compost. As far as grey water goes, just use biodegradable soaps, and run it through a modest filtration setup, like gravel. No problem.
Steve Solomon covers humanure in his new book Gardening When It Counts: Growing Food In Hard Times: http://tinyurl.com/2uuvn5 I hope to implement this, as well.

Maddie | 11-08-2007 08:43 PM
Re: My soon-to-be new property - 10 acres Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 819960) I really hope it is as nice as the pictures; I will soon find out! If you don't mind my asking, Maddie, in what state do you currently reside?
Oregon is, indeed, a beautiful state! Alas, I'm on the other side of the country. I live in Georgia. My parents are aging, and my father has been fighting cancer, so for the next few years, we're probably going to stay in the southeast so we can help out family.

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