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RichG | 10-19-2007 08:29 AM
Start for Pentagon Super-Sniper Scopes Wowee ...... Start for Pentagon Super-Sniper Scopes By Noah Shachtman October 10, 2007 | 8:58:00 AMCategories: DarpaWatch, Gadgets and Gear, Guns The Pentagon's super-sniper program is under way. Back in April, we told you about "One Shot," DARPA's program to build scopes that compensate for the wind -- and boost snipers' kill-rates by ten-fold, in the process. The first of those contracts has now been handed out to Lockheed Martin. It's a $2 million, nine-month deal to basic wind-measurement system. That'll be followed by an eighteen month project to build a prototype One Shot scope. "Even a light gust has a huge impact on [snipers] and missing the target by over 1.5 meters at distances as short as 400 meters is not uncommon," notes DARPA program manager Deepak Varshneya. The agency wants its new scope to provide lethal precision at 2000 meters range, in winds up to 40 miles per hour. If it all works out as planned, American snipers will able to fire in a hurry -- "engag[ing] and pull[ing] the trigger" in "less than one second" -- and they won't miss, no matter how hard the wind blows. Any thoughts on how this can be achived .... :smokin: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/1...sniper-co.html

Tn...Andy | 10-19-2007 08:48 AM
Re: Start for Pentagon Super-Sniper Scopes Any thoughts on how this can be achived .... Sure.....you call your target ahead of time, and have him hold up a wind sock that you FedEx'ed him the previous week.....sock is a special one with graduated marks that show more of them as the wind increases, the Super Scope reads the marks, computes the windage in it's internal computer, sends that info to the internal servo motor on the Super Scope to move it left or right the correct amount to compensate for the wind. Gen 2 Super Scopes will also include a distance target so the scope can calculate elevation to compensate for bullet drop at a give distance....additional set of servo motors will raise or lower the scope to the correct amount......unfortunately, this generation will require a vehicle mount, as the weight of the scope with computer, batteries, and servo motors has increased the weight to 52 lbs. Or you could simply use the Carlos Hathcock method.....slober on your finger and hold it up along with looking thru the scope at vegetation to SWAG ( scientific wild assed guess ) the wind speed and TAKE THE DADGUM SHOT. But that ain't near as profitable for a defense contractor.........which, as we all know, is a LOT of what war is about....... :D Anything else ya wanna know ? I may not know the answer, but I can make one up on the spot that will sound fairly convincing........ahahahahaaaaaa

Darkside | 10-19-2007 09:11 AM
Re: Start for Pentagon Super-Sniper Scopes The wind at the sniper's position could be drastically different from the wind at the targets position, and vary the distance in between. As far as I know there is no way to compensate for that.

Tn...Andy | 10-19-2007 09:44 AM
Re: Start for Pentagon Super-Sniper Scopes YEAH, BUT.....think how much money they can expend trying :D

RichG | 10-19-2007 09:47 AM
Re: Start for Pentagon Super-Sniper Scopes Damn Andy .... I think you should have gotten the 2 million. Your answer has to be as valid as any of Lockheed's to hit a target at 2000 meters. The round has to be guided, or at least, has a minimum flight time. :smokin:

RichG | 10-19-2007 10:01 AM
Re: Start for Pentagon Super-Sniper Scopes Quote:
Originally Posted by Nailbender (Post 787371) what happen to just carpet bomb the target
Guess it doesn't fit in to the 'kinder.. gentler .. we are going to kill your ass and rape your country' image. :smokin:

____hoot____ | 10-19-2007 10:09 AM
Re: Start for Pentagon Super-Sniper Scopes Tn Andy, you split my gut!!!!! Was thinking along these lines as I watched a chemplane yesterday, but I need 20,000 yards

Tn...Andy | 10-19-2007 10:46 AM
Re: Start for Pentagon Super-Sniper Scopes Hey......I do gut repairs fairly cheap.....no license or anything, so no guarantees......but come to think of it, neither does my doctor.....ahahahaaaa

Darkside | 10-19-2007 10:53 AM
Re: Start for Pentagon Super-Sniper Scopes Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 787475) Hey......I do gut repairs fairly cheap.....no license or anything, so no guarantees......but come to think of it, neither does my doctor.....ahahahaaaa
proper tool for the Dr. to fix a split gut? http://www.dkimages.com/discover/pre...779/632799.JPG

Professur | 10-19-2007 11:10 AM
Re: Start for Pentagon Super-Sniper Scopes It could be done, theoretically, with an IR laser, and a super sensitive detector to measure the reflection from air molecules or airborn dust motes and pollen. Each molecule's reflection would carry it's location and dopler shift (theoretically). I can see it being possible in a lab, but under field conditions ..... Wow. Plus you have the telltale of an Ir laser guiding in anything defensive that might be trained in your direction.

Mumwaldee | 10-19-2007 12:16 PM
Re: Start for Pentagon Super-Sniper Scopes ...............

wallew | 10-19-2007 12:45 PM
Re: Start for Pentagon Super-Sniper Scopes Prof's getting close. But folks, this system ALREADY EXISTS. All Martin needs to do is 'shrink it down' so it will fit within a scope. THAT'S the daunting task. Hasn't any one here heard of wind shear? How most LARGE American airports already have a radar type system that tells them when there IS wind shear, so they can warn the pilots on approach? And it's not wind shear at the radar site they are worried about. It's the wind shear at the runways that they are worried about. So distance is NOT an issue. It's extremely feasible. Once they figure the 'how to shrink all that stuff down to one chip' then they are pretty much done. All the algorithims are already in use right now. So this is not as SciFi as you might think.

Darkside | 10-19-2007 12:45 PM
Re: Start for Pentagon Super-Sniper Scopes Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumwaldee (Post 787632) If someone is missing by a meter and a half at 400 yards...it ain't the wind.
Or they're trying to do it with a .22 !

1919A6 | 10-19-2007 08:59 PM
Carlos Hathcock's first sniper rifle in 'Nam held only 2 MOA at best, However it held it's zero ABSOLUTELY and the man behind it was the KEY!

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