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TechGuy | 03-03-2009 04:26 PM
Survival Seeds http://www.survivalistseeds.com/ Went to visit my parents today. My dad showed this box with thousands of heirloom seeds in it. He bought them from John Lipscone. The guy who sells these seeds collects them himself, and from his customers. This is the real deal, I have seen them personally. I plan to order a set next week. If you are looking for heirloom seeds, check these out.

Twisted Avatar | 03-03-2009 04:32 PM
Re: Survival Seeds Thank you Tech!!!!! I have been looking for something like this But wanted someone to have personal experience with the company. Tell your Pop I owe him three Mercury dimes :ok: T

Ralleia | 03-03-2009 04:48 PM
Re: Survival Seeds Not meaning to be a naysayer, but I just bought about 10 lbs of seeds from a different source for less than $100. Looking over the seed list on "survivalist seeds," I see glaring holes for what vegetables you would need in order to engage in subsistence farming. No peas. (cool season legume--protein source) No brassicas (cool season, short and long-season) No rutabagas/parsnips for over-wintering No chard--good warm-season green Very little variety. Peppers? Okra? Leeks? Turnips? Collards? The rest of the whole motley brassica hoard? This ain't a good deal. And I don't appreciate the alarmist audio trying to scare people into buying. :s15:

aybesee123 | 03-03-2009 05:05 PM
Re: Survival Seeds Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralleia (Post 1605356) Not meaning to be a naysayer, but I just bought about 10 lbs of seeds from a different source for less than $100. Looking over the seed list on "survivalist seeds," I see glaring holes for what vegetables you would need in order to engage in subsistence farming. No peas. (cool season legume--protein source) No brassicas (cool season, short and long-season) No rutabagas/parsnips for over-wintering No chard--good warm-season green Very little variety. Peppers? Okra? Leeks? Turnips? Collards? The rest of the whole motley brassica hoard? This ain't a good deal. And I don't appreciate the alarmist audio trying to scare people into buying. :s15:
What source?

Twisted Avatar | 03-03-2009 05:23 PM
Re: Survival Seeds This guy has some very good information on his site ....... I highly encourage others to check it out. T

serj | 03-03-2009 05:24 PM
Re: Survival Seeds that's a lot of money for seeds. Some seeds only stay viable for a year or 2. I personally would rather buy some specific seeds of what i want to grow/eat myself.

Twisted Avatar | 03-03-2009 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by aybesee123 (Post 1605390) What source?
Agreed...... do share. T

TechGuy | 03-03-2009 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1605439) This guy has some very good information on his site ....... I highly encourage others to check it out. T
My dad also had some surivival garden videos from the guy, he said he received them with his order. 15 minute vid about how to hide small survival gardens. He also included a video on how to sell organic vegatable so recoup your money.... It was interesting, but the video was a little rough and home made. He seems like he is sincere...He also hosts a radio show: donttreadonme.tv Have not watched it, but my dad likes it.

serj | 03-03-2009 05:28 PM
Re: Survival Seeds 3 times now I've managed to acquire seeds for free(without asking!) just by networking in the gardening community. Many are eager to trade and give out seeds they've had success with just in hopes that you might send them some of yours later on. Try to connect with other gardeners online and you may be surprised what you can find. If you've been gardening for awhile this might be a good deal. But if you are just setting out, it's probably better to start small, save seeds from what you grow and expand every year.

Ralleia | 03-03-2009 05:39 PM
Re: Survival Seeds I buy most of my seeds from http://www.neseed.com/ You can get both heirlooms and hybrids there. There are very nice discounts as you increase quantities; I've ordered from them for about three years now and they're my favorite source for bulk seeds. I only order as much as I expect to use in about five years. I dehydrate and then freeze most of the seeds for long-term storage. I've only learned the real long-term storage techniques a few years ago, but still have some seeds that grow fine after being stored in a haphazard fashion for a couple decades (brassica seeds are quite hardy). Some seeds have very short lifetimes, so I order very little of them--parsley family and onion families have short-lived seeds. Parsley family includes dill, carrots, parsnips, fennel, coriander. I plan to work on a spreadsheet or database that includes suggested amounts of what seeds to plant per person to feed a family, how many seeds of what type per ounce/pound, and expected seed life along with additional hard-to-memorize data. I'll repost and share when I get it done--probably over spring break!

Twisted Avatar | 03-03-2009 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Ralleia (Post 1605469) I buy most of my seeds from http://www.neseed.com/ You can get both heirlooms and hybrids there. There are very nice discounts as you increase quantities; I've ordered from them for about three years now and they're my favorite source for bulk seeds. I only order as much as I expect to use in about five years. I dehydrate and then freeze most of the seeds for long-term storage. I've only learned the real long-term storage techniques a few years ago, but still have some seeds that grow fine after being stored in a haphazard fashion for a couple decades (brassica seeds are quite hardy). Some seeds have very short lifetimes, so I order very little of them--parsley family and onion families have short-lived seeds. Parsley family includes dill, carrots, parsnips, fennel, coriander. I plan to work on a spreadsheet or database that includes suggested amounts of what seeds to plant per person to feed a family, how many seeds of what type per ounce/pound, and expected seed life along with additional hard-to-memorize data. I'll repost and share when I get it done--probably over spring break!
That would be a awesome share worthy of a sticky!!!! Keep us posted. T

ImaCannin | 03-04-2009 02:14 AM
Re: Survival Seeds I have had good results with seeds from http://www.seedsavers.com and http://www.southernexposure.com Both are heirloom seeds no GMO Seed savers has planting instructions and seed saving instructions on each pack. Something that might come in handy if you get in the position of not being able to buy more! I agree that it is better to buy al la cart and get seeds that will grow in your climate! I would not want my choice of seeds left to someone else! Example: In that can of seeds you may get carrots that have a HARD core. Hard core carrots taste like crap! You may not like green beans with a string, but by letting someone else pick your seeds you may end up with that! And how could you live with out Okra?? You may live in a cold climate but all the seeds you were sent is for a warm climate (they may take longer to produce and the end of the season may come before harvest time! ).

Unclad Lad | 03-04-2009 03:38 AM
Re: Survival Seeds Whether or not it is easy to grow, including lettuce as a "Survival" crop is a poor choice, considering how little nutrition is provided. The entire site has too much of the Y2K panicky tone for me to take it seriously. The other thing to keep in mind is that there is no "one size fits all" garden package. If you live in Montana you might need the short-season tomatoes, but if you don't, then there are much tastier or useful tomato varieties (he doesn't include a paste variety that'd be better for canning or drying). The White Sweet Onion isn't as good a keeper as he would purport, but it does have a fairly short season. Maybe your zone gives you a longer season, but there is no rain after May. Are you going to irrigate, or will you haul buckets of water every day? A good food crop that can be grown in a small space is the potato, with dozens of varieties to suit your climate. His package would be better than nothing, but with a little homework you can assemble a kit that works best in your area.

Twisted Avatar | 03-04-2009 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Unclad Lad (Post 1606216) Whether or not it is easy to grow, including lettuce as a "Survival" crop is a poor choice, considering how little nutrition is provided. The entire site has too much of the Y2K panicky tone for me to take it seriously. The other thing to keep in mind is that there is no "one size fits all" garden package. If you live in Montana you might need the short-season tomatoes, but if you don't, then there are much tastier or useful tomato varieties (he doesn't include a paste variety that'd be better for canning or drying). The White Sweet Onion isn't as good a keeper as he would purport, but it does have a fairly short season. Maybe your zone gives you a longer season, but there is no rain after May. Are you going to irrigate, or will you haul buckets of water every day? A good food crop that can be grown in a small space is the potato, with dozens of varieties to suit your climate. His package would be better than nothing, but with a little homework you can assemble a kit that works best in your area.
That is the achilles heel right there........ You have to learn what grows in YOUR area. One box of seeds is not going to get the job done......... I was just pretty excited that I may have found a way to side step that issue. Gotta learn what grows in the North East and then find what I actually LIKE to eat. :bear_angry:

scholarcoon | 03-04-2009 10:32 AM
Re: Survival Seeds This has been said on here before by other folks but it bears repeating: You need to be shifting into your post-shtf lifestyle right now. That means you should be growing a garden this year, not saving seeds in your basement for sometime down the road. Growing veggies is easy, but growing them when it counts is pretty damn hard. You're not going to go out in the spring and throw some seeds out in the yard and return in 70 days to reap your cornucopia of vegetables. It's hard work and there's a lot to know too. In the beginning you should probably be spending as much time inside with a book in your lap as you are outside digging around in the dirt. Just because you have a stash of seeds doesn't mean you know what to do with them.

MagpieFairy | 03-04-2009 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ImaCannin (Post 1606179) I have had good results with seeds from http://www.seedsavers.com and http://www.southernexposure.com Both are heirloom seeds no GMO Seed savers has planting instructions and seed saving instructions on each pack. Something that might come in handy if you get in the position of not being able to buy more! I agree that it is better to buy al la cart and get seeds that will grow in your climate! I would not want my choice of seeds left to someone else! Example: In that can of seeds you may get carrots that have a HARD core. Hard core carrots taste like crap! You may not like green beans with a string, but by letting someone else pick your seeds you may end up with that! And how could you live with out Okra?? You may live in a cold climate but all the seeds you were sent is for a warm climate (they may take longer to produce and the end of the season may come before harvest time! ).
Those are the 2 I order from most often... also: www.seedsofchange.com http://www.horizonherbs.com/ If you want to get some feedback on companies before ordering from them, register at http://davesgarden.com/ and look for the customer reviews on seed and plant companies. I've not gotten bad advice yet.

Ralleia | 03-04-2009 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by scholarcoon (Post 1606557) This has been said on here before by other folks but it bears repeating: You need to be shifting into your post-shtf lifestyle right now. That means you should be growing a garden this year, not saving seeds in your basement for sometime down the road. Growing veggies is easy, but growing them when it counts is pretty damn hard. You're not going to go out in the spring and throw some seeds out in the yard and return in 70 days to reap your cornucopia of vegetables. It's hard work and there's a lot to know too. In the beginning you should probably be spending as much time inside with a book in your lap as you are outside digging around in the dirt. Just because you have a stash of seeds doesn't mean you know what to do with them.
+100 Except my books got all dirty because either they either accompany me outside or I come running in with grubby hands to look up something. Growing food is also not something that you can hurry up later to catch up. There are things that gardeners should be doing even now. Today as the snow melts outside, my broccoli and other cole crops are hardening off outside in their cell trays for transplanting next week. This week I'll start more tomatoes, peppers, and some eggplant seeds indoors. Next week spinach and pea seeds will be direct-seeded out. And that's just the first couple weeks of March. If you don't have a garden already, go get your hands dirty! You can start with just a 4x4' plot using Mel Bartholomew's "Square Foot Gardening" method to get an introduction. The more you know the better you can plan and the more effectively you will add to your knowledge. Get out and dig in the dirt! :bear_thumb:

serj | 03-04-2009 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ralleia (Post 1606965) Growing food is also not something that you can hurry up later to catch up. There are things that gardeners should be doing even now.
So true. Composting for example, is not something that can be done overnight. If you want really rich garden soil to plant in, it's a timely investment to get it just right(I consider each garden bed a 3 year investment until the soil is perfect). On top of that if you plant and then save your seeds from those plants year after year, some of these plants will become more acclimated to your microclimate. You are greatly missing out on this if you just sit on a bucket of seeds that becomes less viable every year you don't plant them.

MagpieFairy | 03-04-2009 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by serj (Post 1606992) I consider each garden bed a 3 year investment until the soil is perfect.
So true, so true..... I'm working on several this year that won't be ready for planting until at least this fall. Of course, we already have large garden areas already... these beds are being set up for perennial veggies and herbs.

ImaCannin | 03-04-2009 04:33 PM
Re: Survival Seeds I think I bought too many seeds and my garden is not big enough! Get me on a seed site and its like a kid in a candy store! :banana:

Ralleia | 03-04-2009 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ImaCannin (Post 1607110) I think I bought too many seeds and my garden is not big enough! Get me on a seed site and its like a kid in a candy store! :banana:
Oh, yeah? Here's a list of the varieties of tomatoes currently in my seed stockpile: Red Robin Orange Pixie Tommy Toe Pink Ping Pong Golden Treasure Ruby Treasure Big Beef Giant Roma Persimmon Cherokee Purple Ildi Yellow Pear Black Prince Black Krim Sweet 100s Hawaiian Red Turtle Egg Pink Girl Stupice Yellow Ping Pong Black from Tula Pear Tomato (red) Gardener's Delight Tiny Tim Early Girl Kellogg's Breakfast Rio Grande Burbank Brandywine Glory Sugar Cherry TN Surprise Rutgers Wisconsin 55 Cosmonaut Volkov Roma VF Juliet Red Lightning Old German Siberia Of course, this is my single largest veggie category. But it's totally outta control! :biggrin: I'm going to work on using up seeds that I don't want to keep going (I think determinates are inefficient), plus practice saving seeds from my favorites. Lotsa canning planned this summer--How's about you ImaCannin? :wink:

MagpieFairy | 03-04-2009 09:11 PM
Re: Survival Seeds Quote:
Originally Posted by ImaCannin (Post 1607110) I think I bought too many seeds and my garden is not big enough! Get me on a seed site and its like a kid in a candy store! :banana:
I can't talk about how many seeds I have stashed away.... hubby reads GiM. :yes::111:

Twisted Avatar | 03-04-2009 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MagpieFairy (Post 1607553) I can't talk about how many seeds I have stashed away.... hubby reads GiM. :yes::111:
I will be more than happy to buy some them off you :biggrin::biggrin: No seriously. I will. T

AMforPM | 03-05-2009 02:19 AM
Re: Survival Seeds I got good prices and great service here for non hybrid seed (sometimes called heirloom, but the big point is, they breed true). http://www.aaoobfoods.com/nonhybridseedinfo.htm IMO to merit the overused 'heirloom' label seeds should be passed down and regionally adapted. My great grandmother had varieties she selected for her farm's microclimate over 50 years of gardening. If you buy such seeds from a much different climate the concept is stood on its head and all that effort ends up with worse results. So I get 'generally well adapted' varieties which I will then select from each year for MY microclimate. I suggest reading up on pre refigeration food storage at your library or bookstore to select foods that keep well. Sweet potatoes are good in the south and winter squash fill that niche in cooler climates, for example. I can groe kale all winter in my climate. But you have to pick for your climate.

Ralleia | 03-05-2009 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ImaCannin (Post 1607841) Damn Girlfriend! I only have about 6 varieties of tomato plants. One year I had like 34 tom plants in my garden. And I started them all in yogurt cups and a cold frame. I was-a-cannin all summer! For this year, I got some Amish paste seed, hopefully they wont be juicy, and a few others. I can remember what! Last year, I only had two plants. I planted them on the fence next to my sheep pen, one early girl and a brandywine. That sheep dung is the secret to big beautiful plants. They were 6.5 feet tall when I started cutting them back. They looked like Chubaca! I did not can any but dehydrated alot, and told hubby he had to eat two a day, then the pigs got alot of them. I dont get along with tomato's too well! Raw anyway, they tend to give me migraines. I am just getting ready to start them in trays. I bought a light to start my plants with. I have all the strawberries and rasp-black-blue berries under it now. I plan on doing alot of canning this summer too, but will also do the dehydrator too. I am doing banana's right now. :banana: One year I planted my strawberries in composted horse poop. I had like 30 plants and in june, for two weeks I was taking in about 3 gallons of stawberries a day, then for two weeks it went down to 1 gallon a day. By the time it was over, I had like 30 pints of jelly and several frozen bags. What else are you planting?
Brassicas: Broccoli, head-forming and rapa type, red cabbage, chinese cabbage, collards, kale, kohlrabi, radishes, rutabaga, turnip greens. Cucurbits: Cucumbers, bitter melon, pumpkins, squash, summer, squash, winter Nightshades: Eggplant, okra, peppers, sweet, peppers, hot, potatoes, tomato Legumes: Beans, snap, shell, and wax, peas, sugar snap and snow Goosefoots: Beets, chard Carrot-family: Dill, fennel, parsley, parsnip Onion-family: Leeks, onions, bunching, onions, bulb-forming Lettuce Misc perennial/self-seeding herbs: Bee balm, various mints, shiso, sage, thyme, feverfew, lavender. I've only ever canned spaghetti sauce before, but this year I want to can whole tomatoes and the like and get our root cellar in operation. One thing that I really WANT to do before next winter is to construct a tall hoophouse attached with a walk-through from our back door on the south side of the house. That way I could grow some winter-hardy greens and root crops all winter long. Below is an example of a hoophouse in a warmer season. I could not maintain tomatoes and other warm-season crops through a zone 5 winter. http://eorganic.info/files/u118/toma...erplanting.jpg

Gold Digger | 03-08-2009 03:34 AM
Re: Survival Seeds I bought seeds from http://www.survivalistseeds.com/ too. I also bought more seeds from http://www.heirloomseeds.com/catalog.html. They aren't taking orders right now. I'm happy with them so far. I just got to see how I do with gardeing.

scholarcoon | 03-08-2009 03:43 AM
Re: Survival Seeds Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralleia (Post 1607138) Oh, yeah? Here's a list of the varieties of tomatoes currently in my seed stockpile: Red Robin Orange Pixie Tommy Toe Pink Ping Pong Golden Treasure Ruby Treasure Big Beef Giant Roma Persimmon Cherokee Purple Ildi Yellow Pear Black Prince Black Krim Sweet 100s Hawaiian Red Turtle Egg Pink Girl Stupice Yellow Ping Pong Black from Tula Pear Tomato (red) Gardener's Delight Tiny Tim Early Girl Kellogg's Breakfast Rio Grande Burbank Brandywine Glory Sugar Cherry TN Surprise Rutgers Wisconsin 55 Cosmonaut Volkov Roma VF Juliet Red Lightning Old German Siberia Of course, this is my single largest veggie category. But it's totally outta control! :biggrin: I'm going to work on using up seeds that I don't want to keep going (I think determinates are inefficient), plus practice saving seeds from my favorites. Lotsa canning planned this summer--How's about you ImaCannin? :wink:
You think that's a lot. I got a box of about 100 different heirloom tomatoes through a friend who doesn't garden anymore. She was tomato heirloom crazy! They're old seeds but I managed to germinate a couple different varieties this year.

tyusclan | 03-08-2009 11:32 AM
Re: Survival Seeds Another good source for heirloom seeds: www.rhshumway.com They do have some varieties of hybrids, so look carefully before you order. As far as I know they do not have any GMO seeds. We've ordered from here several times, and always been pleased. I can get most of the seeds and plants I need from a local feed store, so I only order varieties that aren't available locally. Always check with your local stores first. The seeds are cheaper, and you don't have to pay shipping.

G-Man | 03-08-2009 06:07 PM
Re: Survival Seeds I ordered a heirloom set from Ark Institute. I am planting all heirlooms this year with the exception of G-90 sweet corn. This will by my first attempt at growing heirlooms and saving seeds. here is the link where I got mine. http://www.arkinstitute.com/. I just planted the heirllom corn this weekend, too soon to tell if these are good.

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