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Tn...Andy | 03-19-2007 08:22 AM
REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Ran up on this really nice little Dietz lantern....burns kerosene or lamp oil, AND has a small cooking ability on the top. Even comes with a small pot to cook in or heat water. Not a real bright light since it's not a pressurized lantern ( like a Coleman ), or an Aladdian Lamp.....but not near the price of them either, nor the fuel use, nor the mechanical problems, nor does it take special and quite fragile mantels. Less than 1 ounce ( not a troy ounce...ahahahaaa ) fuel use per hour. Price sure ain't bad at 19 FRNs. http://www.lanternnet.com/Merchant2/...2000Cooker.jpg http://www.lanternnet.com/Merchant2/...tegory_Code=DL

GoldWampum | 03-19-2007 09:07 AM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker WOW I've got a little lantern just like that except no cooker, but the top does come off. I can modify it. :banana: Operates on a thimbull full of fuel.

Curtman | 03-19-2007 09:10 AM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker I like it. Going to try one.

RichG | 03-19-2007 09:17 AM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Damnit Andy.....every time you post stuff like this it cost me money.....butter now lanterns....you're killing me. Ordered today. :smokin:

TLM | 03-19-2007 09:23 AM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker After you try it out, can you post how long it takes to bring water to a boil? Not that it's a big deal if it only consumes an ounce/hr, I'm just curious. Comes in cases of 12 too, Hmmm... Peace TLM

Tn...Andy | 03-19-2007 09:46 AM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Quote:
Originally Posted by RichG (Post 544014) Damnit Andy.....every time you post stuff like this it cost me money.....butter now lanterns....you're killing me. Ordered today. :smokin:
Ahahahaaa.....I know Rich.....it's killing me too ! I just ordered 4 + that 33' piece of extra wick. I've got 200 gallons of kerosene in storage...gotta have SOMEthing to burn it in :D (That works out to about 8 years worth of fuel burning one lamp 8hrs/night ) TLM: let you know about the boil time when I get one.

hoarder | 03-19-2007 10:09 AM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker I doubt it would get even a pint of water hot enough to boil but it would be valuable as a food warmer or to simmer beans or rice. I'll have to get one. Thanks for posting, Andy.

Tn...Andy | 03-19-2007 10:37 AM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker You could be right hoarder....dunno. But the thermal output of it is listed as 1100 BTU/hr 1 BTU is the amount of heat required to raise one pound of water (that's about a pint ) 1 degree fahrenheit......so assume you started with fairly cold water ( like 40 ), you have to get 172 degrees or so of heat....or 172 BTUs added to the water to get it to boil. That's about 1/6 of the output.......even allowing for the loss of heat thru the glass globe, the lantern metal, and the pot itself, I'm thinking it will bring water to a boil, though probably a slow one....probably not a pot you'd want to watch...... :D Like you said.....probably a good food warmer. I can live with my can of stew being only 120 or so.

MacGyver | 03-19-2007 03:44 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Is that a lamp? No, THIS is a lamp! Second from left is a Radius 119 with a cooking top. Will boil a liter of water in 12-15 minutes. And it give some 300-400 W of light and 1000-1200W of heat. Run 6-8 hours on one liter kerosene. Stock some spare glow nets though, once used they become extremely brittle, and they are high-tech products containing Yttrium and cant be manufactured with low-tech tool. I got two. And some glow nets. And some kerosene. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/munwai/ft1.jpg

Curtman | 03-19-2007 04:03 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker I have a huge collection of preasure lamps, I need more lamps I can burn vegetable oil in if need be. Why waste good booze?

R MacDonald | 03-19-2007 04:27 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtman (Post 544471) I have a huge collection of preasure lamps, I need more lamps I can burn vegetable oil in if need be. Why waste good booze?
I wonder how a 50/50 mix of Kero and Veg oil would do? (wick lantern only)

wallew | 03-19-2007 05:38 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Don't forget that besides just heating the water, if you have a cold of some kind, it will also become a HUMIDIFIER. You could even add a couple of drops of camfer to the water and it would work great.

Tn...Andy | 03-19-2007 05:55 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Quote:
Originally Posted by MacGyver (Post 544448) Is that a lamp? No, THIS is a lamp! Second from left is a Radius 119 with a cooking top. Will boil a liter of water in 12-15 minutes. And it give some 300-400 W of light and 1000-1200W of heat. Run 6-8 hours on one liter kerosene. Stock some spare glow nets though, once used they become extremely brittle, and they are high-tech products containing Yttrium and cant be manufactured with low-tech tool. I got two. And some glow nets. And some kerosene. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/munwai/ft1.jpg
Yep....I have pressurized lanterns that run on white gas, kerosene, and an Aladdian lamp as well. They are great and put out a lot more light and heat than these. But for 19 bucks, and throw in the low fuel use and maintenance, and these lanterns have a place.

MacGyver | 03-19-2007 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 544591) Yep....I have pressurized lanterns that run on white gas, kerosene, and an Aladdian lamp as well. They are great and put out a lot more light and heat than these. But for 19 bucks, and throw in the low fuel use and maintenance, and these lanterns have a place.
Yea. Me to. Got a bunch of them. But only for low-intensity light. Not for cooking. Edit: You were darn right about the handle on the Stihl chainsaws. Have never thought about it, but it was incredibly stupid of them to fix the handle in the fuel tank on some of the models. Am bloody careful wirh that handle by now, and will never hang the saw higher than ten inches.

Sparky | 03-19-2007 06:35 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker I need a quick tutorial on kerosene and lamp oil (and white gas, whatever that is). Do these need special containers? Do they have a shelf life? How combustible (dangerous) are they compared to gasoline? :confused_m: (duh) Thanks.

Tn...Andy | 03-19-2007 08:04 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker All of them are combustible, or they wouldn't work in lamps of course.....but some like lamp oil and kerosense have a higher flash point ( higher is better in safety terms ) than gasoline or Coleman fuel. "Lamp oil" is basically a highly purified kerosene.....may have an additive or two, but is basically REAL CLEAN kerosene to use in lamps so it burns without much smell. LOT higher priced than kerosene. "White gas" is really sort of an older term.....used to be the gasoline you got at a certain brand gas station ( it was Amoco brand ) because it was unleaded when everybody else was using lead, and their gasoline was sort of reddish-orange. I guess now days, you could use ANY unleaded gasoline in lamps ( or stoves ) that are labeled for gasoline/Coleman fuel....but it needs to be labeled "Duel Fuel"....and those would be pressurized type lamps. Unleaded gasoline is NOT recommended for use in a Coleman lantern that is not labeled Duel Fuel...I've never tried it, but they claim is will carbon up the lantern. Coleman fuel isn't gasoline, but a blend of naphtha and a couple other things.....similar to lighter fluid. NEVER EVER use gasoline or Coleman fuel in a wick type lantern like the above......you would be making a molotov cocktail. Low flash point fuels are meant to be vaporized and burned in a mantel type lantern. By the same token, don't use high flash point fuels like Kerosene, lamp oil or diesel fuel in a mantel type, pressurized lantern.....they don't vaporize good enough to keep from smoking up the lantern and clogging the mantel in short order. They are meant to be used in a wick type lantern. All need to be stored in approved containers...metal or plastic. And you'd best label them CLEARLY or use color coded containers to keep from mixing them up. More than one person has crispy crittered themselves putting gasoline in a kerosene heater. Coleman fuel is bad to vaporize once you opened the can, even when you screw the lid back on......an opened can doesn't store well long term. I have never heard of a shelf life for kerosene.....I suspect it is pretty much indefinite in a closed container. The lighter components of gasoline ( benzene ) tend to vaporize off after while, leaving the heavier components, and the gas is said to have "varnished" ( it acutally gets an 'old' smell somewhat like varnish ), and is not fit for use in motor vehicles. I don't know if it would still work in gasoline type lanterns or not. I have personally stored gasoline and used it as motor fuel for up to 4 years, using PRI-G as a storage stabilizer....I suspect I could get a few more years than that, but don't have proof.

Maddie | 03-20-2007 06:15 AM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker I have a pretty decent collection of pressurized lanterns, too, mostly old Dietz and Colemans. Of all the things my "collector gene" has kicked in on, those amuse my husband the most. I have about 15 of my favorite old ones lined up on a shelf (artistically, of course), and he'll just look at them, shake his head, and say, "Lamps??? Kerosene lamps??? My God, you'll collect anything! How in the h$ll did those pop up on your radar screen?!" He'll thank me someday. :bear_laugh:

NOOB | 03-20-2007 07:57 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker I just ordered 2. I got the red globe on one of them. Wallew's suggestion of a humidifier made me think darker glass for less light at night. I have a couple 5 dollar models of these type lampswithout the cooking option. I think they are cool. NOOB

Sparky | 03-20-2007 08:10 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Thanks TnAndy for taking the time to provide such a complete answer! :top:

Curtman | 03-20-2007 08:14 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker I should have got the red. If I like it I will order another one in red.

Tn...Andy | 03-20-2007 09:55 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparkly (Post 545940) Thanks TnAndy for taking the time to provide such a complete answer! :top:
You're welcome. I don't know a lot about this finance and money stuff...still learning.....but I've got a little downhome know-how I don't mind trading for the education I get at GIM. Hope it works out to a fair exchange for ya'll.

Unclad Lad | 03-21-2007 02:04 AM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Quote:
Stock some spare glow nets though, once used they become extremely brittle, and they are high-tech products containing Yttrium and cant be manufactured with low-tech tool.
I'd heard it was Thorium. But the use of mantles is at least a century old, so what was used before that?

AMforPM | 03-21-2007 05:54 AM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker I'm going to order a couple too. Thanks. Light plus hot water for a Mt House dinner if so inclined.

MacGyver | 03-21-2007 09:08 AM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Quote:
Originally Posted by Unclad Lad (Post 546285) I'd heard it was Thorium. But the use of mantles is at least a century old, so what was used before that?
They changed from Thorium to Yttrium sometime in the 1950's. Before that the manufacurers had to struggle with all those pesky nuclear restrictions on Thorium. Originally the mantles were introduced as enhancement to gas lights, and represented quite an improvement compared to the naked flames used previously.

Tn...Andy | 03-23-2007 05:13 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Quote:
Originally Posted by TLM (Post 544022) After you try it out, can you post how long it takes to bring water to a boil? Not that it's a big deal if it only consumes an ounce/hr, I'm just curious. Comes in cases of 12 too, Hmmm... Peace TLM
My lanterns came today, so I fired one up for a test run. The pot that comes with them is actually a SMALL double boiler, so you can put water in the bottom and a small amount of food in the top for cooking and not burn it. I just put water in the bottom section to see how long it takes to heat it. Ambient air temp: 71 degrees Burner wick turned about 2/3 of the way up Pot holds 1 1/3c of water Water temp to start: 69 degrees It took it twenty minutes to bring it to bubbling boil.

Curtman | 03-23-2007 05:42 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Thats respectable consdering the amount of fuel it takes.

Unclad Lad | 03-25-2007 02:07 AM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker If you go to Wal-mart and the like you can still find cold-blast lanterns for 5-7 bucks, but these are flimsy chinese junk; the metal is lightweight, and the glass mantels are very thin and fragile. they won't last. The ones you want are Dietz, and, past a certain age, V & O. Nowadays the V & Os are chinese too :mad: . The Dietz made today--can anyone remember if these are still American-made? For quality, new lanterns, check out Lehman's--they serve the Amish community.

ernie85017 | 03-25-2007 08:38 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Tn-Andy: How are you storing your kerosene? Will it have easy access? I need to make a set up when I get moved.

mayhem | 03-27-2007 11:09 AM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Got mine yesterday. Did what noob brought up, one clear one red. Nice stuff. But 33 feet of wick? Don't know how long that will last. Anyone got any idea? Wifie approved and dug out the old coffee pot (perk type) and said have at it. All she cares about is fresh coffee in the morning. Me, well :smokin: . m PS, Thanks a bunch Andy!

TLM | 03-27-2007 01:28 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 549086) My lanterns came today, so I fired one up for a test run. The pot that comes with them is actually a SMALL double boiler, so you can put water in the bottom and a small amount of food in the top for cooking and not burn it. I just put water in the bottom section to see how long it takes to heat it. Ambient air temp: 71 degrees Burner wick turned about 2/3 of the way up Pot holds 1 1/3c of water Water temp to start: 69 degrees It took it twenty minutes to bring it to bubbling boil.
Thanks for the report Andy, I have a coleman Apex II backpacking stove, it takes about 4 1/2 minutes to boil. I did some calculations.. My backpacking stove uses 0.4-0.5 oz. to boil water and the Dietz is roughly 0.33 oz to boil + it gives off light in the process and costs about 1/3rd of my backpacking stove.. Sounds like a winner to me!! Now I only have to wait a couple of weeks for my next paycheck. Thanks again Andy. God's Peace TLM

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Tn...Andy | 03-27-2007 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ernie85017 (Post 550559) Tn-Andy: How are you storing your kerosene? Will it have easy access? I need to make a set up when I get moved.
Ernie: Mine is stored in 55gal metal drums, and also have about 20 5gal metal cans.....simply because I walked into Home Depot one spring day and they had their black, metal, 5-gal cans of K-1 Clear on closeout....down from the ridiculous 20 bucks or so they had been ( who buys kero at that price ? ) to 4.97/can.....since that was less than a buck a gallon, I took all 35 cans they had stacked up. For some reason, they didn't even charge me sales tax....fuel maybe ?...dunno....but it was exactly 4.97/can....and it filled my pickup truck up ! And a few bottles of lamp oil...maybe 1/2 dozen of them.. The 55gal drums are in one of my sheds up on a shelf on pallets.....I get to them with the tractor front loader forks. Getting it out of the drum ? I'd probably just build a wood rack to lay a drum on it's side, and put a plain ole water spigot in the 3/4" drum port...or pump it out....I've got 3 different hand pumps around here that fit the 2" port + a 12v elec version as well.

NOOB | 03-27-2007 03:42 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker ups just dropped mine off. A fine addition to my shtf preps. Thanks Andy NOOB

Nuggethunter | 03-27-2007 04:11 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker I ordered 4 or them. Been using a walmart cheapy and I think this one will have quality on it, and I can use it on my mining claims. dont forget to have these, you can useem anywhere, with a 13gallon trash bag and very sanitary; <TABLE cellPadding=5 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>http://www.bumperdumper.com/art/t2art1f.jpg</TD><TD> ON </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> http://www.bumperdumper.com/ubtnc.htm

mayhem | 03-27-2007 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Nuggethunter (Post 552869) dont forget to have these, you can useem anywhere, with a 13gallon trash bag and very sanitary; <TABLE cellPadding=5 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>http://www.bumperdumper.com/art/t2art1f.jpg</TD><TD> ON </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> http://www.bumperdumper.com/ubtnc.htm
:D :D :D :D :D Driving down the road. Wife: Could you stop honey, I have to pee Husband: Just open the back doors of the van dear! :laugh_m: :laugh_m:

Unclad Lad | 03-29-2007 01:59 AM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker Wow, a do-it-yourself divorce kit!

ForeverInDebt | 04-05-2007 10:35 PM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker 2 Attachment(s) I got my lantern yesterday and tested it out. It is the red globe model. I also ordered extra wick. I put in about 3 oz. of clear lamp oil and fired it up. I set the flame to a fairly low level. I wanted to test it's ability to heat food, so I used a partial can of baked beans (~40 deg F) that I had in the refrigerator and put it in the small cooking pot. After 40 minutes, the beans were steaming. Nice and tasty. Room temp beans would cook quicker. After eating the beans, I left the lantern burning. It continued burning for about 2hr. 45 min. (total time) at a low flame. Verdict: It's neat. Great way to heat up canned food, in a pinch. It doesn't put out that much light with the red globe, but I have another lantern for light. I chose the red globe so it wouldn't be very bright while cooking. Thanks Tn...Andy!

Halophyte | 04-06-2007 12:22 AM
Re: REALLY nice little kero lantern and cooker 1 Attachment(s) I use to keep a portable kero stove and lantern for emergency use but traded them off for an Army surplus tent stove that burns wood, set it outside like a BBQ or pipe it thru a window for heat too. I keep plenty of candles and mason jars handy for emergency lights but prefer 8 watt flourescent light sticks powered by any old car battery, I can charge it with one of my solar panels. I don't have to stockpile fuel for emergencies anymore. h

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