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Anty Ep | 12-16-2006 11:40 PM
Walmart sucks I went in to walmart to grab some .45 ammo for a match I'm competing in tomorrow, and UGH! What a dirty, disorderly, disgusting place. And from all the unknown origin third world immigrants :bandito: to the morbidly obese Whites in their dumpy duds. :puke: .. how depressing. Still, I perservered past the humanoid distractions and made my way to sporting goods desk. In this cheery corner were the only decent looking folk in the store. I got some cci blazer stuff that was pretty cheap, to replace my old stash of sellior and belliot, which is around ten years old, and damn if I want to be out there tomorrow and get a bunch of jams from dud ammo, anyhow, then thinking of you good folks I picked up some supplementary stuff for the auto survival kit, you know, another emergency blanket, snakebit kit, etc. the usual. Well I zoomed out of there fast as I could. All I can say is, how screwed up is this country or what?

Ardent Listener | 12-17-2006 12:15 AM
Re: Walmart sucks Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 447484) I went in to walmart to grab some .45 ammo for a match I'm competing in tomorrow, and UGH! What a dirty, disorderly, disgusting place. And from all the unknown origin third world immigrants :bandito: to the morbidly obese Whites in their dumpy duds. :puke: .. how depressing. Still, I perservered past the humanoid distractions and made my way to sporting goods desk. In this cheery corner were the only decent looking folk in the store. I got some cci blazer stuff that was pretty cheap, to replace my old stash of sellior and belliot, which is around ten years old, and damn if I want to be out there tomorrow and get a bunch of jams from dud ammo, anyhow, then thinking of you good folks I picked up some supplementary stuff for the auto survival kit, you know, another emergency blanket, snakebit kit, etc. the usual. Well I zoomed out of there fast as I could. All I can say is, how screwed up is this country or what?
Thank you for shopping at WalMart.:D

R MacDonald | 12-17-2006 12:16 AM
Re: Walmart sucks We were in WallyWorld the other day to do some food shopping. About halfway through, my 3rd trimester pregnant wife's muscles and back started to hurt bad. I went up front to see about getting one of those electric carts, and wouldn't you know it?... About 3 teenage punk spawn of the "undocumented worker" class, had found themselves some new toys, and were racing them up and down the isles. Of course they "speckka no englesss". To avoid a fight, I tried to locate a manager, but couldn't. We sat out and too a breather for about 15 min. then hurried our shopping up. Yes... Homicide came to mind! :banghead:

LikeGreen | 12-17-2006 12:18 AM
Re: Walmart sucks I hope the only reason you were shopping there was it was the only place open. No company has greased the skids for shipping jobs to China, et al, more than Wal-Mart. Oh yeah, their strategy to physically torture old folks into quitting their crappy jobs was pretty charming, too. LG :character

Anty Ep | 12-17-2006 12:20 AM
Re: Walmart sucks Quote:
Originally Posted by R MacDonald (Post 447498) We were in WallyWorld the other day to do some food shopping. About halfway through, my 7 mo. pregnant wife's muscles and back started to hurt bad. I went up front to see about getting one of those electric carts, and wouldn't you know it?... About 3 teenage punk spawn of the "undocumented worker" class, had found themselves some new toys, and were racing them up and down the isles. I tried to locate a manager, but couldn't. We sat out and too a breather for about 15 min. then hurried our shopping up. Yes... Homicide came to mind! :banghead:
Man they had so many Mexes in that place! Real squatty ones too. Fresh from the jungles of Chiapas. Gratis, Vicente Fox. He's exporting what the Marxists used to call 'the reserve army of the unemployed." You just need to be fast at shopping anyhow. Same thing used to happen to my wife. Thats good anyhow, less time browsing cheap junk from China eh?

bl96S5eu | 12-17-2006 12:26 AM
Re: Walmart sucks Yes but without WalMart to beat on we wouldn't have great little videos like this :D

bl96S5eu | 12-17-2006 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by LikeGreen (Post 447502) No company has greased the skids for shipping jobs to China, et al, more than Wal-Mart.
LG, that seems like a pretty negative outlook on the situation. The goal is about: A) maximizing corporate profits, B) increasing shareholder value, C) offering the customer maximum value on their purchases. :eek: , sorry couldn't resist... :banghead:

R MacDonald | 12-17-2006 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by bl96S5eu (Post 447507) Yes but without WalMart to beat on we wouldn't have great little videos like this :D
:haha: Oh that was RICH!!!! :haha:

Kahlil Gibran | 12-17-2006 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bl96S5eu (Post 447507) Yes but without WalMart to beat on we wouldn't have great little videos like this :D
:beer: Worth another bump!

Lars Ragnarsson | 12-17-2006 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Kahlil Gibran (Post 447522) :beer: Worth another bump!
Indeed! That is some funny sh!t!!:rofl: :rofl:

LikeGreen | 12-17-2006 01:51 AM
Re: Walmart sucks It's funny but... ...I kinda stopped being able to chuckle towards the end. Just felt kinda sick. LG :character

thorgrim | 12-17-2006 06:41 AM
Re: Walmart sucks I hate shopping at Wal-mart. Don't mind paying a bit more some other place for the same thing.

hoarder | 12-17-2006 08:06 AM
Re: Walmart sucks http://judicial-inc.biz/wal_mart__waltons.htm Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiat Mutiny (Post 447511) I'm not sure if other people can notice the huge bulge on the side of my hip, but I hope they can. Noticing it will keep them honest.
A word to the wise in case you don't know, "printing" is illegal for CCW's in most states and will get your permit yanked among other things.

Sturdly | 12-17-2006 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 447634) http://judicial-inc.biz/wal_mart__waltons.htm A word to the wise in case you don't know, "printing" is illegal for CCW's in most states and will get your permit yanked among other things.
Never heard that term printing. Is that showing your bulge?

hoarder | 12-17-2006 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Sturdly (Post 447636) Never heard that term printing. Is that showing your bulge?
"Showing your bulge" has exibitionist connotations. Printing refers to having a bulge that is failrly clearly a firearm. Just having a bulge is usually not considered printing unless it's in the shape of a gun. Check with your state CCW definitions. The purpose of the law is to prevent CCW's from intimidating others as Fiat Mutiny's post implied.

Goldfinger | 12-17-2006 09:04 AM
Re: Walmart sucks You know what absolutely disgusts me the most about Wal-mart? Its not so much that their suppliers are overseas. The thing that irks me the most is that back in what...the 90's...when Wal-mart was doing their most growth, all you used to see is their "We buy American" campaign. You guys remember that? Of course thats exactly when they were signing their contracts with chinese suppliers and putting pressure on domestic suppliers to outsource. That to me is about as unethical as it gets. Yet, the American consumer is so stupid that they keep shopping there. Its kinda like letting someone spit in your face and then thanking them for it...

Silver_Fox | 12-17-2006 09:09 AM
Re: Walmart sucks Video is right on!

Weho Dave | 12-17-2006 09:17 AM
Re: Walmart sucks Walmart = a black hole in your community where dollars are channelled to Bentonville, AR and China.

Satyr | 12-17-2006 09:44 AM
Re: Walmart sucks Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldfinger (Post 447649) Yet, the American consumer is so stupid that they keep shopping there. Its kinda like letting someone spit in your face and then thanking them for it...
Most of the times I have been to Wal-Mart it has been flooded with more Mexicans than anything. And most likely of the non-legal variety. I literally feel like a minority when I walk into the place. I am always being told at my union meetings not to shop at Wal-Mart. They almost never build stores with union labor. They only do it when they are under great pressure in areas where unions have most of the market share. Even then they will fight tooth and nail to have it done at near slave labor wages.

GOLD DUCK | 12-17-2006 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bl96S5eu (Post 447514) LG, that seems like a pretty negative outlook on the situation. The goal is about: A) maximizing corporate profits, B) increasing shareholder value, C) offering the customer maximum value on their purchases. :eek: , sorry couldn't resist... :banghead:
QWAK,bl96S5eu;447514], LOL You sound just like Cavoto on Fox defending Walmart, he has been up agenst religious people lately and he almost uses a base ball bat on them! Just seems strange that no one seems to mention that with out the jobs here in the USA making stuff, how are people going to pay for the stuff they buy? I buy food at Walmart but every time I do, I have this immage in my mind of Walmart cuting peoples throats with a HACK SAW and the same people (me too) helping them to do it! :mad: the DUCK

Sturdly | 12-17-2006 09:52 AM
Re: Walmart sucks They bought American until the old man died from what I understand. Once the kids took over the sell out became an avalanche. My cousin in Texas worked the lay away desk for near 14 years, finally getting a regular day shift. Recently they did away with that service. She is now working the old rotating shift split days meat grinder, that not so subtle way of saying please quit so we can hire someone in at a lower pay rate. She says the company is not what it used to be but steady jobs that last over the years are hard to come by for a high school grad in her town of boom and bust Midland.

Ghost Recon | 12-17-2006 12:17 PM
Re: Walmart sucks I decided to not buy anything made in China this X-Mas. I did buy one gift at Walmart, Rocky Thermolite socks made in the USA. Then I went next door to Dick's Sporting Goods and used my $10 coupon on a box of Hydrashocks.

Lars Ragnarsson | 12-17-2006 12:57 PM
Re: Walmart sucks Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 447634) A word to the wise in case you don't know, "printing" is illegal for CCW's in most states and will get your permit yanked among other things.
Yeah, be careful. A few years ago at the local mall, some "concerned citizens" called the cops about a man "possibly" carrying a weapon after noticing a suspicious bulge. Fortunately for the guy, the cops kept it low key and interviewed the gentleman once they escorted him away from the other shoppers. Turns out he had a CCW, so the cops just let him off with a warning, telling him he had to do a better job in the future of keeping it concealed. Again, the guy was lucky in that he was only mildly inconvenienced. It could have been uglier. I imagine it's pretty much the same in other right-to-carry states, but Florida statutes clearly state that the weapon must be carried "inconspicuously." And I'm fine with that - I don't like attention, especially from cops.

RiverRat | 12-17-2006 01:03 PM
Re: Walmart sucks :cool2: Ammo from Wally World has one thing in it's favor. At my location they never ask for ID....never once in five years. Otherwise...Chinese junk to the ceiling...the TexMex crowd clogs up the store window shopping and stealing food in the grocery section...eating it while they shop so they don't have to pay for it. I'll bet they steal and eat a grand a day on average. Video cameras everywhere don't seem to faze them at all. They all look alike....hard to tell Paco from Julio.... :cool1: :cool1: :cool1: :cool1:

LikeGreen | 12-17-2006 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ghost Recon (Post 447742) I decided to not buy anything made in China this X-Mas. I did buy one gift at Walmart, Rocky Thermolite socks made in the USA. Then I went next door to Dick's Sporting Goods and used my $10 coupon on a box of Hydrashocks.
Funny you should mention that: I was walking down Broadway and I noticed a clothes store I had been in having a sale. Stopped in and bough a few essentials, 20% off. Saw some tube socks, 10% off, was debating buying - hm, do I have enough, do I need more, I should start hitting the gym, so I could use some, blah blah blah. Looked at the label - Made in USA "Holy crap!" Sold. I'll take two packs, please. How sad is it that I am surprised to see any basic good made here? You want to get laughed at? Walk into a Foot Locker and ask to see the sneakers made in the US. They might say 'New Balance' which still has the rep of making them here, but they really don't. Just a couple models in their high end running shoes. LG :character

RealJack | 12-17-2006 01:28 PM
Re: Walmart sucks Buying food at Wall a World? Sure, you"ll save some FRN's, but me thinks you'd be better off dumpster diving behind the Chinese take out. Sure, if you don't mind your beef raised right off a petrie dish in a Do wong Chemical lab on the outskirts of Beijing. How bout a grilled barbie dog on a wonder bun? Yeah, buy your food at Wall a World and put some lead in yer tank. They have delicious "Colostomy In A Bag" in the frozen food section for only $3.99. OK, I'm a little over the top here, and I don't mean to offend anyone, but shopping for food at Wall a World? I don't know, but I'm pretty sure if you ever see an Organic food section in Wall a World, it'll likely mean it's comprised of ground up, processed, irradiated, fluoridated, GMO'd, hydrogenated oriental human Organs. There's just something about that place where you walk in feeling sort of like a clever consumer, but after you leave you feel like you've been poked, prodded, bled, processed, packaged, and sold to Moottel. Chipped and dipped. Sheared and speared. I do realize the lesser food chains aren't much better, but Wall a World takes the cake and eats it too. Yikes, please, not in front of the children. :Sorry: Wall a World is the Company Store of Company Stores.

AMforPM | 12-17-2006 03:03 PM
Re: Walmart sucks I shopped there when the old man was alive and they DID promote american made goods. The stores were clean then too. I don't shop there now. Maybe once every 18 months there will be some item I pick up there. But way back when they kept small US companies alive with contracts I shopped there a LOT.

GOLD DUCK | 12-17-2006 03:17 PM
Re: Walmart sucks QWAK,Real Jack,Here in Arkansas I live about 40 miles from Bentonville the corperate home of Walmart, they have killed off about 99% of the compitition and what there is left sells about the same quality stuff often at conciderably higher prices, THAT is just reality and I deal with reality. I do have my beef shiped in from OHAMA STEAKS and am willing to pay the premium but that is just lately. Not long ago I lived totaly on basics, if it was not nessary to keep me alive it was a WANT not NEED and I just did with out. That is how I managed on mininum income to become 100% DEBT FREE and buy GOLD and SILVER! Now I allow my self some things I did with out for many years but also today I can pay for them with out going in to debt. :proud: Walmart is a fact of life ,I would prefer that this place was like it was 30 years ago but thoes days are gone and raging about it aint gona bring them back. Yea it SUCKS but a lot of things in life SUCK, one has to deal with what IS not what WAS and then make the best of what IS to make the best future you can.:beer: the DUCK

Pragmatist | 12-17-2006 03:34 PM
Re: Walmart sucks I will gladly drive an extra hour and pay an extra 10% before stepping foot into a China Mart. Unfortunately, there have been times, when I am in the field for work that I have had no other choice. Needing a printer cartridge in a small town where the local Ma & Pa Office Supply Store has gone out of bussiness comes to mind. Every once in a while I will run into those people that are adament, die hard, Walmart Shoppers. Once they get started they just go on and on about how great it is. They take their wife there every week. blah...blah...blah. I usually try to put an abrupt ending to the conversation by asking if they are taking steps to insure that their children or grand-children are being taught Mandrin-Chinese. That is where this country is headed because of indifference and "cheap" goods with a high longterm cost. Be Vigilant. Buy American, Support American Jobs. Prag

mtnman | 12-17-2006 04:08 PM
Re: Walmart sucks Learn to use your enemies. I shop Wal-Mart, I buy my auto batteries there. Buy the two year batteries. After 22months take them back and exchange them for a new one. My tractor battery has been replaced 3 times, truck twice and wife�s truck three times. I buy my shoes there. I�m hard on shoes, every two months take them back and trade for new. Wal-Mart offers a 90-day guarantee on everything, use it. I�ve seen people buy go-carts for their kids for Christmas, a couple of months later when the kids are bored with the go-cart take it back for a refund. Same with lawn mowers, use it till the 90 days are about to expire then take it back for a refund. Want to go camping. Hit the Wal-Mart buy lots of equipment. When you get home from your camping trip take it all back for a refund. All you have to do is keep the receipt. Like I said before USE YOUR ENEMIES!

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hoarder | 12-17-2006 04:18 PM
Re: Walmart sucks It's almost as though the big box stores don't care if they make a profit. They may be right. The banksters keep issuing them more FRN's and eventually there will be no more competition and they'll be able to charge as they wish. If you have an endless supply of FRN's via banks issuing out of thin air, who cares about the bottom line? Main thing is "market share". In the end, "market share" really is the bottom line.

SilverSatan | 12-17-2006 05:50 PM
Re: Walmart sucks Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 447833) Learn to use your enemies. I shop Wal-Mart, I buy my auto batteries there. Buy the two year batteries. After 22months take them back and exchange them for a new one. My tractor battery has been replaced 3 times, truck twice and wife’s truck three times. I buy my shoes there. I’m hard on shoes, every two months take them back and trade for new. Wal-Mart offers a 90-day guarantee on everything, use it. I’ve seen people buy go-carts for their kids for Christmas, a couple of months later when the kids are bored with the go-cart take it back for a refund. Same with lawn mowers, use it till the 90 days are about to expire then take it back for a refund. Want to go camping. Hit the Wal-Mart buy lots of equipment. When you get home from your camping trip take it all back for a refund. All you have to do is keep the receipt. Like I said before USE YOUR ENEMIES!
costco's take back anything except computers ANY amount of time

____hoot____ | 12-17-2006 06:28 PM
Re: Walmart sucks Really p````` me off when I heard that they take out secret quarter million dollar life insurance policys on all their workers, that pays THEM if a worker dies. And they keep the policy paid-upand in force forever even if the worker quits or is fired.

RickW | 12-17-2006 06:31 PM
Re: Walmart sucks Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 447833) Learn to use your enemies. I shop Wal-Mart, I buy my auto batteries there. Buy the two year batteries. After 22months take them back and exchange them for a new one. My tractor battery has been replaced 3 times, truck twice and wife�s truck three times. I buy my shoes there. I�m hard on shoes, every two months take them back and trade for new. Wal-Mart offers a 90-day guarantee on everything, use it. I�ve seen people buy go-carts for their kids for Christmas, a couple of months later when the kids are bored with the go-cart take it back for a refund. Same with lawn mowers, use it till the 90 days are about to expire then take it back for a refund. Want to go camping. Hit the Wal-Mart buy lots of equipment. When you get home from your camping trip take it all back for a refund. All you have to do is keep the receipt. Like I said before USE YOUR ENEMIES!
Sounds like stealing to me....

LikeGreen | 12-17-2006 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RickW (Post 447913) Sounds like stealing to me....
I hear you RickW. It depends on how the guarantee is written. If it's blanket, and take it back for any reason, well, I'd say have at it. If you have to lie about it being broken or something, even though they are the devil incarnate, I would rather not compromise myself. mtnman didn't mention having to concoct some story about anything, so I'm assuming he just brings it back, no questions asked. Can't argue with that. Let me ask you something, RickW. What about a lifetime guarantee? I have a duffel bag I got, oh, maybe 15-16 years ago. Maybe more. I have used the heck out of this thing, hard. For years when I biked around Beantown it was loaded, caked with mud, rained on (sounds like a night out for me, but i digress.) I've traveled a zillion miles with it as a carry on, been camping, train trips, it's my man-purse now on the subway to work, etc., etc. I probably paid less than 15 bucks for it at EMS way back when. A small thing, but one of the most reliable and heavily used things I have ever purchased. First time the little swivel clips on the strap gave out I brought it back to EMS and they gave me a strap. I was kinda mad because the strap was inferior to the one it came with, but I accepted it. They gave out again and I just clipped the strap below where the swivel loop was (kinda hard to explain, but it's a loop that rotates) I've thought about bringing it back for a new strap. Do you think there is an implied useful life for a lifetime warranty, or should I keep bringing it back until I die. Ethically speaking, of course, not just letter of the law? (can't believe I'm asking an ethical opinion from a monkey! I'll now return you to your Wal-Mart sucks programming. LG :character Wal-Mart sucks!

LikeGreen | 12-17-2006 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverSatan (Post 447887) costco's take back anything except computers ANY amount of time
Costco is, relatively speaking, the good guys of the big box stores. LG :character

mtnman | 12-17-2006 07:21 PM
Re: Walmart sucks Quote:
Originally Posted by RickW (Post 447913) Sounds like stealing to me....
Do you believe that Wal-Mart is BAD for America? Has Wal-Mart put any mom and pop stores in your town out of business by selling for less than wholesale? Do you support Communist China? I see Wal-Mart as one of the ENEMIES and treat them as such. Until the shooting starts I will pick away at the enemies underbelly.

RickW | 12-17-2006 07:30 PM
Re: Walmart sucks Walmart and the such are not the enemy. The consumer that goes there is and I still call it stealing. Not just calling it stealing....telling you flat out that it is stealing. No further comments on this subject by me

LikeGreen | 12-17-2006 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RickW (Post 447967) Walmart and the such are not the enemy. The consumer that goes there is and I still call it stealing. Not just calling it stealing....telling you flat out that it is stealing. No further comments on this subject by me
Completely wrong, RickW. Wal-Mart has the ability to set it's policies. It's policy says 90 days, bring it back for exchange, refund. Period. No qualifications, no nothing. Dunno why mtnman gets 2 years on batteries,but I guess there must be a different policy on those. If he was switching tags, intentionally breaking something, whatever, that would be fraud. RickW, it seems like you are inventing your own addition to the policy that adds on "...only for broken items, etc." It's just not there in the policy. Shoot, I would have gone there to by my A/C that I finally broke down and bought this past summer. Woulda saved me having to store the damn thing. Many stores are tightening their policies for 'abusive returners.' Wal-Mart has chosen, for whatever reason, to not do that. They certainly could, but they don't. LG :cool2: Return Policy Everything in the store can be exchanged or refunded with a receipt within 90 days of purchase... with the exception of a few electronic items and regulated items. After 90 days with receipt: If available, we offer repair service through the manufacturer. Exceptions to 90 Day Return Policy: 45 days with receipt: Computer components and computer accessories. 30 days with receipt: Camcorders and digital cameras. 15 days with receipt: Computers and postpaid cell phones. These items must be unopened: Prerecorded music, movies, and software products. Guns & Ammunition: Sales are final. Tobacco & Alcohol: May only be returned to the store of purchase with original receipt (except where prohibited by law). WIC Purchases: No refund for WIC-acquired items. WIC-acquired items that are defective or out-of-date may only be exchanged for identical product. WIC-qualified items must be returned with the original receipt. SATISFACTION GUARANTEED Our goal is to satisfy our Customers... by Exchange, Refund, or Repair.

mtnman | 12-17-2006 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RickW (Post 447967) Walmart and the such are not the enemy. The consumer that goes there is and I still call it stealing. Not just calling it stealing....telling you flat out that it is stealing. No further comments on this subject by me
Ya don�t get out much, huh. Just how are people the problem. There are only a very few persons in this world that can make a difference in the way things are run. You and I ain't them. You are saying that the poor families that live around me in the mountains of East Tennessee have a choice about where to shop? Middlesboro Kentucky, The town closest to me has a Super Wal-Mart. Before Wal-Mart moved in, there was a thriving downtown with any type of store you could want. That downtown had been there for over 100 years. Now downtown is DEAD. Wal-Mart�s practice of selling below wholesale has killed the town. Once again I say USE YOU ENEMIES or learn to speak Chinese.

LikeGreen | 12-17-2006 07:56 PM
Re: Walmart sucks I'm with you mtnman. As long as I'm not breaking a law, a store policy or my own personal ethics, I'm in. NYC has locked out Wal-mart, for now, but I'm borrowing some stuff for a few months when I head home to visit the folks in a week or two. LG :character

LikeGreen | 12-18-2006 01:26 AM
Re: Walmart sucks One thing I just remembered that will take the fun out of the Wal-Mart lending library of goods: Returns are passed along to the supplier. It will still hurt Wal-mart, but not 100%. I'll make sure any goods I borrow are not made in the US. I don't think I'll have a problem. LG :character

REV127 | 12-18-2006 01:59 AM
Re: Walmart sucks RE: Concealed Carry If you are worried about printing and want the security of having a pistol handy, try pocket carry. Either get pants with deep pockets or cut a hole in the pocket so you have something to play with... er... I mean cut the pocket and stitch in your own extension. Then you can walk around with your hand on your gun whenever you want an nobody's the wiser. If you want to just be sure the print is hidden, stick your hand in your pocket straight along the frame and barrel, all they'll see is your hand in your pocket. I've carried a fullsize CZ 75B this way with no problems. You're right, when walking amongst the troglodytes it is a good feeling to have the extra security. I also carry pepper spray so I have a nonlethal force option. A knife or Asp baton can be handy as well. I am more than capable of defending myself with my bare hands but with all the heebiejeebies people carry these days I want as little direct personal contact as possible during any confrontation. Anyway, having a secondary weapon gives you an effective response if they grab your primary weapon, it jams or you run out of ammo or drop it. If you're clever and get a medium fog or cone pepper spray unit you can also lay down a smokescreen of pepper to cover your escape if you have to run, clear out a room or create an area of denial. WalMart definately caters to a lower class of humanoid. We have a Target right next to a WalMart in several places in and around Tampa and Target has consistently higher lifeforms than WalMart. I find plenty of American made merchandise at Target, I only wish they sold ammo. While I see MtnMan's tactics as not only valid but indicative of a sound strategic mind, all these things are reasons why I am choosing a path of self sufficiency. As a final note it is interesting to observe that much wickedness is self limiting. I hear WalMart is beginning to have supply issues and our uncivilized underclass is rife with HIV/AIDS at epidemic levels. In the fullness of time I suspect both phenomena will burn themselves out due to their own exploitive and unsustainable natures.

LikeGreen | 12-18-2006 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 448229) You're right, when walking amongst the troglodytes it is a good feeling to have the extra security. I also carry pepper spray so I have a nonlethal force option. A knife or Asp baton can be handy as well. I am more than capable of defending myself with my bare hands but with all the heebiejeebies people carry these days I want as little direct personal contact as possible during any confrontation. Anyway, having a secondary weapon gives you an effective response if they grab your primary weapon, it jams or you run out of ammo or drop it. If you're clever and get a medium fog or cone pepper spray unit you can also lay down a smokescreen of pepper to cover your escape if you have to run, clear out a room or create an area of denial.
Speaking of pepper spray (i love how these threads wander and blossom) I'm looking for as small as possible dispenser. It's illegal to carry in NYC without a firearm permit. I don't give a rats ass. Not long ago a guy attacked another guy with two battery powered sawzalls :eek: in a subway stop I use once in a while late at night. The nut picked them up where two workers left them and started hacking away. Cut the other guy up real good. Coulda been me. Won't be. I saw some company had 'ladies' pen sized dispenser. Why a 'lady' would want a gaudy rhinestone encrusted eye catcher like that, I do not know. Most of the 'ladies' I see in Manhattan, all dressed in black and their razor sharp Manolos, would want a spray dispenser that looked similar. Thin, black and maybe popping a blade to finish the job once they get a man down. I'd like to get a couple and put one in each jacket I wear and leave it there. But it's gotta be pretty small. Pen sized would be great. LG :smokin:

REV127 | 12-18-2006 12:35 PM
Re: Walmart sucks I know there's still some good people in NYC but that place is so far gone by any standard I recognize. The only spray I'll use is Fox Labs, and that's doubly so if I have to carry a small unit. A short spritz of pepper spray is an annoyance or distraction, not anything like a fight stopper so if that's what you end up with have a followup plan like something to club the guy over the head with or whatever you think of. The keychain unit linked below is what I would go for. They don't ship to NY but if you're determined I'm sure you can find a way around that. http://www.selfdefenseproducts.com/keychain.htm I know how you feel, damned if I'll let some stupid politician or bleeding heart criminal apologist prevent me from carrying a weapon to defend myself against sawzall-wielding psychos!

bl96S5eu | 12-18-2006 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 448564) bleeding heart criminal apologist
Interesting choice of words REV.

REV127 | 12-18-2006 12:54 PM
Re: Walmart sucks I can't take the credit, it's the sawzalls, you know?

sam | 12-18-2006 01:26 PM
Re: Walmart sucks LG- When I leave the house I always slip a FOX Labs keychain pepper spray in my pocket. I do not use the hardshell case, just the little cannister. It's so small you won't know it's in your pocket, unless it discharges accidentally :frown: I have been carrying one daily for over a year, never had a problem. So far the safety position has stayed put, even in my pocket without the hard case. The cap/trigger, however, can get a little misaligned, I just push it back on/straight. 4 oz units are in our vehicles, bedroom, front door etc. I suggest getting getting some practice units. One time when emptying/disposing an old cannister I got a tiny whiff of mist. Uncontrollable coughing for ten minutes virtually disabled me. Very effective stuff. dtnwn __________________________________________ Forgot- Can't see because my eyes watered, stung and shut tight. Can open eyes with great effort, but only briefly.

Anty Ep | 12-18-2006 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Fiat Mutiny (Post 447511) .... I'm not sure if other people can notice the huge bulge on the side of my hip, but I hope they can. Noticing it will keep them honest.
Hey man, we dont want to hear bout people lookin at yer bulge ok? :17092:

Unclad Lad | 12-19-2006 01:03 AM
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I went in to walmart to grab some .45 ammo for a match I'm competing in tomorrow, and UGH! What a dirty, disorderly, disgusting place. And from all the unknown origin third world immigrants to the morbidly obese Whites in their dumpy duds. .. how depressing.
And yet, despite being surrounded by human detrius, you bravely went in to purchase ammo that would've cost you a few dollars more at your local gun store. Your tale of bravery is inspiring! :y:

LikeGreen | 12-19-2006 01:13 AM
Re: Walmart sucks Thanks Sam. I'm going to check it out. I was wondering if I could practice somehow. I want to practice pulling it out and spraying, etc. One good thing: if it's in the subway, I won't have wind blowing it back in my face. But in an enclosed space I might get some on myself. Definitely some practice required. LG :smokin:

highroller4321 | 12-19-2006 01:57 AM
Re: Walmart sucks Go into walmart. Look around. Then tell me that god doesnt have a sense of humor!

sam | 12-19-2006 10:47 AM
Re: Walmart sucks LG and all- If you keep pepper spray handy, here's what I recommend- Get an inert unit or two to practice with. If you have a wife or husband who doesn't listen closely the first time you give instructions, get three or four practice units for her or him. I see that some new pepper spray products are available from J&L. I think I'll get some DPS, which will give me an opportunity to get some more practice units for a little refresher training. Tack a piece of corrugated cardboard, with a life size face drawn on it, to a tree, at right angle to the breeze. Wait for a slightly breezy day so you can see what happens. Stand twelve feet away, maybe farther with the new DPS stuff, aim and push the button just long enough to hit the target. You will see wet spots where you hit the cardboard. Wait a minute for the wet stuff to dry and you can use the same target again. The contents get shot out so fast, you are only gonna get three or four full power shots per two ounce cannister, maybe only one or two with the new higher pressure DPS product. If you have not shot off pepper spray before, you will be surprised by the recoil. dtnwn

elroy | 12-19-2006 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GOLD DUCK (Post 447814) Not long ago I lived totaly on basics, if it was not nessary to keep me alive it was a WANT not NEED and I just did with out. That is how I managed on mininum income to become 100% DEBT FREE and buy GOLD and SILVER!
DEBT FREE! That is great. I also worked hard and paid off everything. No mortgage, no car payments, no CC debt. Now I save $$, invest and buy PM's. Maybe I don't live as high on the hog as others do but no matter what nobody is coming to get my cars or home if things go south. Our Wal-mart is being overrun with cochroaches also. Every time we go there I see more than the last time. The gal in the clothing dept. told my wife the illegals are stealing the entire store.

Anty Ep | 12-19-2006 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Unclad Lad (Post 449180) And yet, despite being surrounded by human detrius, you bravely went in to purchase ammo that would've cost you a few dollars more at your local gun store....
not brave just looking for some new cannon fodder the night before. didnt have time to shop the gun shops during the day and they are gougers anyhow. I usually buy mail order from SG news. In the end though I decided to use the old Sellior and Belliot from my "stash" and just keep the walmart blazer stuff for another day. Once I got to the match I talked to a few guys and they said the S+B stuff would be hotter. I wanted that even though most guys prefer something on the order of a squib round for competition so as not to have much recoil-- but I'm just shooting for practice not points-- all the other guys are way better than me anyhow, I only get out a few times a years and these fanatics are at it every weekend.

Big_Rob | 12-19-2006 02:58 PM
Re: Walmart sucks You shot up your good Sellier-Bellots and kept the crappy/junky/garbage like Blazers? Why thats a sin.

pusher | 12-26-2006 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 447833) Learn to use your enemies. I shop Wal-Mart, I buy my auto batteries there. Buy the two year batteries. After 22months take them back and exchange them for a new one. My tractor battery has been replaced 3 times, truck twice and wife�s truck three times. I buy my shoes there. I�m hard on shoes, every two months take them back and trade for new. Wal-Mart offers a 90-day guarantee on everything, use it. I�ve seen people buy go-carts for their kids for Christmas, a couple of months later when the kids are bored with the go-cart take it back for a refund. Same with lawn mowers, use it till the 90 days are about to expire then take it back for a refund. Want to go camping. Hit the Wal-Mart buy lots of equipment. When you get home from your camping trip take it all back for a refund. All you have to do is keep the receipt. Like I said before USE YOUR ENEMIES!
Hey Mtnman, I understand your walmart theory and for the most part agree with it, but for everyones info, walmart makes agreements with it's suppliers that they are responsible for any returns, walmart loses nothing, the supplier does, now we say so don't supply to them, and I can agree with that also, many small suppliers get hurt badly in dealing with them and often go out of business in the process. I am not advocating one way or another, just putting out the info for the readers. Walmart makes itself look real good to the community when they donate things to different organizations, usually the small supplier is the one who eats the big one and doesn't even get the credit for it.

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