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sluggo | 07-16-2008 07:14 PM
Roll your own First of all, I'm not looking to start a discussion about the evils of smoking. I know it's bad. What I am interested in is finding a high quality rolling machine, for making filtered cigarettes. The local tobacco shop is way overpriced on their machines, and online is tough because you can't physically inspect the things before you plunk down your cash. Anyone here roll their own and recommend a high quality, durable machine?

hypervel | 07-16-2008 07:41 PM
Re: Roll your own I use a Denicotea cig holder and filter. I roll mine on a Rizla. Pack them a little soft. I know it's not "filtered" cigs, but it's my version.

Sclorch | 07-16-2008 08:10 PM
Re: Roll your own I've rolled my own cigarettes for 4 years now. I MUCH prefer them to smoking real cigarettes from the store. I just hand roll them though. Have never used filters or machines. One bag of bugler (2.25$ lasts me 3 days whereas a 5$ pack of cigarettes last me only one.) Also rolling by hand is pretty easy and can be learned in about 10 minutes or so. My lungs seem to be ok. I don't hack up anything in the morning anymore like I used to when I smoked regular cigarettes. Also a hand rolled cigarette feels much more powerful and the smoke feels better and you can really feel it go down your throat. Also doesn't have the nasty aftertaste and it doesn't taste chemically. I usually just buy the 1.5 - 1.75 ounce bags, but I've seen rolling tobacco / papers sold in big cans. Would be awesome for bartering imho. http://www.nysmokefree.com/newweb/pageview.aspx?p=4060 Q: Does the filter on your cigarette really make it safer? Most people mistakenly believe that smoking a filtered cigarette is safer than smoking an nonfiltered cigarette. This is false. Health studies show that smoking filtered cigarettes does not keep you from getting sick. Filters do not protect you from bad chemicals and, in some ways, they may be more dangerous than nonfiltered cigarettes. Why don't filters work?

lhslancers | 07-16-2008 08:20 PM
Re: Roll your own I rolled my own a couple of years back. I got this really inexpensive blue plastic doohickey for less than 20 bucks. Real easy and quick. Made decent butts as far as I was concerned.

LukeNM | 07-16-2008 08:24 PM
Re: Roll your own We used to stuff our own cigarettes when we lived in California, but now we buy from the Indian Smoke Shops here in New Mexico. This is the machine we used and it worked great, about a cigarette a minute (3 packs an hour) can be made with it. We bought the filtered tubes and tobacco from them as well. Back then I figured about $6 a carton to stuff your own... I am sure that price from 7 years ago has gone up, but the machine looks to be about the same price as it was back then. http://www.stuffyourown.com/supor.html

lhslancers | 07-16-2008 08:24 PM
Re: Roll your own Something like this is all you need. Rolls in well under a minute. Might slow you down with the habit in general which is a good thing. You aware that the cigarette makers are using new paper which goes out when you are not puffing? Fire retardant paper makes the overall smoking experience a lot less enjoyable. http://www.ryocigarette.com/cl-prki.html

shoeshine | 07-16-2008 10:24 PM
Re: Roll your own I roll my own. I bought a cheap roller, does two at a time. The name on it is "filterite". It has held up very well

Caligula | 07-16-2008 10:26 PM
Re: Roll your own I can't help myself...... Quote:
Originally Posted by sluggo (Post 1196122) I know it's bad.
No you don't. But you will. Quit that shit, man. :confused_ma:

Brent | 07-16-2008 10:39 PM
Re: Roll your own I don't want to derail this thread or anything but simply get the input of the tobacco smokers that are posting. Do you believe that big corporation manufactured cigs are worse for you than natural tobacco? I don't smoke tobacco (except in blunt wraps :D) but my best friend smokes about a half pack a day of Camel lights. I heard of a brand called "American Spirit" and I was just wondering if anyone has had similar experiences to Sclorch. http://www.paradox.co.uk/acatalog/nas_yellow.jpg Thanks :smokin: EDIT: went to do some research on the American spirit's site and when I checked the "non smoker" box when verifying my age this message appeared: Please, if you don’t smoke, don’t start. We don’t even encourage smokers to smoke more. Anyways, back to the research.

Silverstone | 07-17-2008 02:21 AM
Re: Roll your own Well, our little machine only does ONE at a time; I told my hubby, come on, invent a cheaper one that you can do 10 at a time :) Yeah, it does cut down on your smoking because you're too busy rolling them. I buy some stuff in a Kiwi can, it's green, that's all I know, I don't even know what it's called...just as good as the store bought stuff. It's like $15 for the can, can get a carton of smokes out of the one can, not bad. Thought about growing my own tobacco, but dang, it is VERY land intensive. I know, I know, QUIT.

GoldWampum | 07-17-2008 03:44 AM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by sluggo (Post 1196122) First of all, I'm not looking to start a discussion about the evils of smoking. I know it's bad. What I am interested in is finding a high quality rolling machine, for making filtered cigarettes. The local tobacco shop is way overpriced on their machines, and online is tough because you can't physically inspect the things before you plunk down your cash. Anyone here roll their own and recommend a high quality, durable machine?
I stuff my own. I used to have one of those fancy expensive rolling machines, but it really was more trouble than it was worth. I choose a tobacco I like, and middle of the road tubes, but for a roller I use a blue plastic one, maybe like the one Lancers uses... it's a Bugler believe it or not, and works as well as any and better than some. Here's the site I usually order from, take a look around. With 1 pound bags of tobacco I pay about a buck or so a pack. http://www.lilbrown.com/ The roller... $6.10 https://www.lilbrown.com/prodpics/BuglerInjector.jpg Luke, a friend brings me a carton or two from Albuquerque every now and then. It's a good deal too.

buff01 | 07-17-2008 04:01 AM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent (Post 1196394) I don't want to derail this thread or anything but simply get the input of the tobacco smokers that are posting. Do you believe that big corporation manufactured cigs are worse for you than natural tobacco? I don't smoke tobacco (except in blunt wraps :D) but my best friend smokes about a half pack a day of Camel lights. I heard of a brand called "American Spirit" and I was just wondering if anyone has had similar experiences to Sclorch. http://www.paradox.co.uk/acatalog/nas_yellow.jpg Thanks :smokin: EDIT: went to do some research on the American spirit's site and when I checked the "non smoker" box when verifying my age this message appeared: Please, if you don’t smoke, don’t start. We don’t even encourage smokers to smoke more. Anyways, back to the research.
I used to smoke American Spirits exclusively. I think they are the best you can get in mass produced form. The organics or organic lights are the best, but most of the time I smoked lights(the yellow pack) because that's what was available. I quit again three or four months ago. I don't want to have a hole in my throat. That scares me more than dying somehow.

killer2021 | 07-17-2008 05:54 AM
Re: Roll your own I find it funny that you guys are talking about smoking IN A SURVIVAL FORUM!!!!!!!!!! uhh the irony.

StackerKen | 07-17-2008 07:19 AM
Re: Roll your own my Grandma smoked till she was 85 Years old. Then she got parkinsons...and shook so bad she couldn't hold the cig.

Avalon | 07-17-2008 07:21 AM
Re: Roll your own This must really be a sign of the times and mean I am getting OLD. When did people stop using rolling machine to roll joints and start using them for tobacco..? :bear_w00t:

Avalon | 07-17-2008 07:33 AM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by killer2021 (Post 1196680) I find it funny that you guys are talking about smoking IN A SURVIVAL FORUM!!!!!!!!!! uhh the irony.
Im a former smoker. I have been quit 20 yrs and still miss it. Its a powerful and pleasurable addiction. :smokin: Smoking does not affect everyone in the same way. When my Sister died suddenly I was sure her death was smoking related. The Coroner said nope. After 20 yrs of smoking her lungs and cardiovascular system were "clean as a whistle". I asked him how that was possible? He basically said people are different and things affect them differently and its one of life mysteries. At the other end of the spectrum Emphysema or COPD have got to be one of the worst ways to go. I see the Patients at work struggle and really suffer with breathing diseases. A heart attack is a much kinder way to go... As a former smoker I also wonder about the additives to cigarettes being more dangerous then the tobacco. I also have concerns over smokers being treated like criminals and being told they cannot smoke in private places like their cars and own homes. My hospital has gotten so fanatical they have video cameras in the parking lot to make sure Employees are not smoking in their cars on their lunch hour. That is out of control... Its also hysterical considering the hospital cafeteria food is so full of fat and salt it will kill you long before smoking. Isn't it ironic a health institution would crucify smokers and then offer Employees free Ice cream day and push dangerous pharmaceutical drugs like drug dealers.

sluggo | 07-17-2008 07:44 AM
Re: Roll your own My grandfather smoked for nearly 45 years. When he was in his late 60's he developed a mysterious form of pneumonia. He went from doctor to doctor for months, and every physician was left scratching their heads as far as the treatment went. My grandfather had quit smoking years earlier. Finally he went to a specialist at Duke. The doc took one look at the X-rays and saw a pair of black lungs. My grandfather asked if it was his smoking. The doc said, "No, smoking doesn't do anything like this" It was asbestos that he had been exposed to 30 years earlier while serving in the Navy. Apparently, he was working on asbestos removal from the decommissioned ships. He went from healthy to dead within one year's time. Anyhow, you quit when you are ready. Rolling your own definitely slows you down. Cuts out the smokes you light up without a second thought. I've cut way back over the last year, and I'm hoping to cut back more by making my own. Besides, tobacco will be in demand if everything goes belly up. High quality cigarettes would be good for trade,

Glass | 07-17-2008 07:45 AM
Re: Roll your own I have had similar thoughts Avalon. I suspect natural tobacco would not be so dangerous as the products produced by the companies. I am a 10 year stopper after 20+ smoking. I know your lungs can repair because I went from breathless in 20 metres walking to being able to ride many tens of miles and having a very quick return to resting pulse. Emphysema is a most horrible death. People have no idea what it is like. It is the same as what happens to fish when you take them out of water. Its the same kind of death, gulping and gulping but no air comes. Try and look into the eyes of someone who is dying this way. I could never do it. I don't miss smoking made cigarettes, I do think I would enjoy the sweetness of a good quality roll your own. I had a cigar a year or so ago and enjoyed that. Tabacco would be a good trade item IMO

nub | 07-17-2008 07:53 AM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by traderken (Post 1196712) my Grandma smoked till she was 85 Years old. Then she got parkinsons...and shook so bad she couldn't hold the cig.
I know this wasn't spose ta be funny but it was....she was a tough ole bird

Saul Mine | 07-17-2008 08:21 AM
Re: Roll your own ryotobacco has a lot of supplies. I use their Sagamore Long Cut, $150 for 12 lbs, and it is quite nice. One pack/day = one pound/month. I also use a digital scale to measure the 9/10 gram of tobacco for each cigarette. Other types of tobacco may be too dry or the wrong cut to roll nicely, so you have to try a few and choose what works for you. I get tubes either 24 or 48 cartons at a time. My smokes cost about $.80 per pack. The Excel stuffer is wonderful. It works smoothly, doesn't rust, bust, or collect dust, and costs $25. The Topomatic is disappointing. It costs twice the price, has to be vacuumed after every use, can never be adjusted right, and breaks after about one year. And those are the two highest recommended brands in the country. I have no information on any other brands. The shooters you get for $5 or $10 may or may not be useable. If they are made in China they are not worth carrying out of the store. I found one made in Belgium and it was good for a little over a month. Keep spares. If you want filters it doesn't make sense to use anything but an Excell and tubes. Filtered tubes cost half as much as separate filters and rolling papers, and there is no roller or shooter that lasts more than a month.

GOLD DUCK | 07-17-2008 10:09 AM
Re: Roll your own QWAK,Just switch to smoking a PIPE,the tobacco is cheeper and does NOT have all the chemicales added to it!:thinkey::grin: Takes a little geting used to but no big deal realy!:s9: the DUCK

Avalon | 07-17-2008 10:29 AM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by Glass (Post 1196737) Emphysema is a most horrible death. People have no idea what it is like. It is the same as what happens to fish when you take them out of water. Its the same kind of death, gulping and gulping but no air comes. Try and look into the eyes of someone who is dying this way. I could never do it.
I have to second that... It really is a horrible way to go. My heart goes out to the emphysema patients.. They suffer so much.

Dick | 07-17-2008 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by sluggo (Post 1196122) First of all, I'm not looking to start a discussion about the evils of smoking. I know it's bad. What I am interested in is finding a high quality rolling machine, for making filtered cigarettes. The local tobacco shop is way overpriced on their machines, and online is tough because you can't physically inspect the things before you plunk down your cash. Anyone here roll their own and recommend a high quality, durable machine?
This machine has meet my expectations, which are the same as yours. Without trying to break any speed records, you can do a pack in 4 minutes. Premier Supermatic (not the inferior supermatic 2)

GoldWampum | 07-17-2008 10:35 AM
Re: Roll your own I started with a Topomatic ($50) as well. Lasted less than a year. Those 6 dollar Bugle ones last me about 4-6 months. The most common problem in ruining any of them seems to be over stuffing. I use a long cut as well. McClintock light with full flavor Gambler tubes. Call it a medium. :smokin: I smoke less than when I was buying cartons also. I make a pack in about 10-15 minutes. I do it leisurely.Once you get a feel for it, you can have your morning coffee and roll a pack without much effort. I have stopped a few times over the course of my life for say anything from 8 months to a year and a half. Bottom line is I like to smoke.

sluggo | 07-17-2008 10:39 AM
Re: Roll your own I've been reading a lot of good things about the Premier Excel. Seems to be low cost high quality. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/LarY6qeopBY&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/LarY6qeopBY&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

Dick | 07-17-2008 11:34 AM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by sluggo (Post 1196963) I've been reading a lot of good things about the Premier Excel. Seems to be low cost high quality. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/LarY6qeopBY&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/LarY6qeopBY&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Make sure you have a good supply of extra parts on hand. Been there done that..

lhslancers | 07-17-2008 12:28 PM
Re: Roll your own I'd like to try rolling my own again but I had a problem finding a tobacco that was strong enough. I smoke non-filtered Pall Malls. Any ideas? Yes I am a real man.:smokin::D

GOLD DUCK | 07-17-2008 12:40 PM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 1197192) I'd like to try rolling my own again but I had a problem finding a tobacco that was strong enough. I smoke non-filtered Pall Malls. Any ideas? Yes I am a real man.:smokin::D
QWAK,lhslancers,Don't just ROLL your own but MIX your own.:wink: Find a brand you like and mix it with some mild pipe tobacco you also like.:thinkey::yes: the DUCK

Ronnie Mexico | 07-17-2008 02:19 PM
Re: Roll your own No matter how hard you roll, there's no replacing this. http://www.tobaccoonline.co.uk/image...0882603PM6.jpg

mtnman | 07-17-2008 02:29 PM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 1197192) I'd like to try rolling my own again but I had a problem finding a tobacco that was strong enough. I smoke non-filtered Pall Malls. Any ideas? Yes I am a real man.:smokin::D
Grow your own. Burley Tobacco seed is available. Cigarettes are mostly made from the big long bottom leaves. Try the short red top leaves if you want more flavor. Be ready for a shock! http://www.organicaseedco.com/tobaccoseeds.html

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Ag_man | 07-17-2008 05:19 PM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick (Post 1196946) This machine has meet my expectations, which are the same as yours. Without trying to break any speed records, you can do a pack in 4 minutes. Premier Supermatic (not the inferior supermatic 2)
Just ordered this machine and a starter kit last night. Plan on using the $ I save to buy PMs.

Camp Bassfish | 07-17-2008 05:43 PM
Re: Roll your own Buy a bong.:smokin:

sluggo | 07-17-2008 05:57 PM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by Camp Bassfish (Post 1197670) Buy a bong.:smokin:
Too wasteful. :bear_tongue:

jamesfrancisco | 07-17-2008 06:43 PM
Re: Roll your own Smoking is a filthy habit, which I enjoy immensely. I think it's a lot more common over here in the UK to roll your own than in the US - a pack of 20 costs around $11.50. I smoke 60 a day, and have done for years. It will probably kill me eventually - but ( can't remember who said it, stolen and probably very misquoted quote) "Smoking knocks ten years off your life. But it doesn't knock off the middle part of your life when you're enjoying living it to the full, it knocks off the end - when you would otherwise be sitting in an old folks home, pissing yourself, unable to recognise your own children, and having a fat nurse come in every morning to clean up the bed you shat yourself on during the night" Try Drum, Amber Leaf, or Golden Virginia for a nice smoke. American Spirit is nice, but very hard to get over here.

cigarlover | 07-17-2008 06:54 PM
Re: Roll your own http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9heHG...hightimes.com/

cigarlover | 07-17-2008 07:05 PM
Re: Roll your own YouTube - 2008 Nimbin Cannabis Cup
YouTube - 2008 Nimbin Cannabis Cup

Black Blade | 07-17-2008 07:08 PM
Re: Roll your own http://www.protopipes.com/images/pro.../proto_all.jpg ProtoPipe I bet I still have mine buried in storage somewhere. But back in the day, this is what we had. - Black Blade

lhslancers | 07-17-2008 08:09 PM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Blade (Post 1197769) http://www.protopipes.com/images/pro.../proto_all.jpg ProtoPipe I bet I still have mine buried in storage somewhere. But back in the day, this is what we had. - Black Blade
Nice equipment.:smokin:

mtnman | 07-17-2008 09:04 PM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by cigarlover (Post 1197768) YouTube - 2008 Nimbin Cannabis Cup
Ahhh Yesss the number ONE cash crop in the United States.

lhslancers | 07-17-2008 09:22 PM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1197916) Ahhh Yesss the number ONE cash crop in the United States.
Is that you in that pink shirt? BTW I don't think I could grow any tobacco here in NJ.

cigarlover | 07-18-2008 06:58 AM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1197916) Ahhh Yesss the number ONE cash crop in the United States.
I bet it grows considerably if TSHTF too.

StackerKen | 07-18-2008 08:24 AM
Re: Roll your own I haven't had the weed for over 8 years now But lots of folks these days Have Quit Smoking it http://purethc.com/ALLBANNERS/vaporizer.gif Quote:
What are Marijuana Vaporizers? A marijuana vaporizer is a device for smoking marijuana. It uses a heat source to heat marijuana without burning it, rather vaporizing it. How Exactly Does It Work? A vaporizer uses a heating element rather than burning. A quick look at the THC MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET reveals that THC boils at 392 degrees F. Thus if it is heated to 400 F the THC boils and produces a vapor. This is not hot enough for it to burn so it does not produce the toxic products of burning.
I have heard you can do the same with tobacco...Cause nicotine vaporizes before the tobacco burns.... Haven't research it yet though

Silverstone | 07-19-2008 03:04 PM
Re: Roll your own Ha ha. Yeah, I quit smoking cigs once at 19, how I did it was whenever I had the urge to smoke a cig., I took a few hits off a joint instead, worked great! Can't do that now though due to job.

mtnman | 07-19-2008 03:07 PM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 1197941) Is that you in that pink shirt? BTW I don't think I could grow any tobacco here in NJ.
Yes and why not? Tobacco will grow just fine there.

cigarlover | 07-19-2008 03:18 PM
Re: Roll your own I agree NJ should be fine. Some of the finaest quality wrapper comes from CT in fact. Colder climate than Jersey for sure.

Ag_man | 07-19-2008 03:54 PM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by cigarlover (Post 1200312) I agree NJ should be fine. Some of the finaest quality wrapper comes from CT in fact. Colder climate than Jersey for sure.
There is quite a bit of wrapper tobacco grown in SE Wisconsin, as well.

Lt Dan | 07-19-2008 06:13 PM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by Caligula (Post 1196375) I can't help myself...... No you don't. But you will. Quit that shit, man. :confused_ma:
Grandfather died from a smoking related disease, he quit two weeks before he died. He was 94 years old, I quit about 40 years ago, The way I feel I'll likely not make it to 90. :smokin:

____hoot____ | 07-19-2008 09:17 PM
Re: Roll your own Great Thread! I learned a lot here and have gotten some good sources. Though I would like to find out how to source Kentucky tobacco. My take on lung cancer and some of the other problems, thought to be caused by smokeing is to look at where and in what soil the stuff is grown. Have heard that those in europe that smoke the turkish tobaccos never have the high lung cancer risk that those smokeing american tobacco do. I thought at first it was because of the high thorium content of the piedmont soils in the Carolinas, but then I learned that Brazilian smokers that stick with their native tobacco don't have problems and the soil there is more radioactive than that of the piedmont. I then discovered that the uranium gas diffusion plant at Oak Ridge was very very leaky and that uraniumhexafluoride gas if exposed to UV light at high altitudes will breakdown into very deadly polonium 211[this plant while operateing from 1943-1985 was just a hundred miles or so upwind of the heart of the american tobacco growing region]. I grow tobacco myself here in Michigan and I know how very very sticky the green leaves are. I believe that the millions of smokers deaths from lung cancer were caused mostly from fallout from that very leaky DOE plant at Oak Ridge[that is why lung cancer rates in smokers have been dropping since that plant closed]. The tobacco I grow here in Michigan is very simular in taste to the Canadian tobacco grown north of Lake Eire[think "Players"]blah! and needs be mixed with some rich tasteing southern stuff, though it does have a higher nicotine kick than anything I have been able to buy. Note: I started rolling my own when I found out they are now putting RAT POISON[wolfern/cummatin] in the commercial cigs

Ag_man | 07-19-2008 09:47 PM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by ____hoot____ (Post 1200743) Great Thread! I learned a lot here and have gotten some good sources. Though I would like to find out how to source Kentucky tobacco. My take on lung cancer and some of the other problems, thought to be caused by smokeing is to look at where and in what soil the stuff is grown. Have heard that those in europe that smoke the turkish tobaccos never have the high lung cancer risk that those smokeing american tobacco do. I thought at first it was because of the high thorium content of the piedmont soils in the Carolinas, but then I learned that Brazilian smokers that stick with their native tobacco don't have problems and the soil there is more radioactive than that of the piedmont. I then discovered that the uranium gas diffusion plant at Oak Ridge was very very leaky and that uraniumhexafluoride gas if exposed to UV light at high altitudes will breakdown into very deadly polonium 211[this plant while operateing from 1943-1985 was just a hundred miles or so upwind of the heart of the american tobacco growing region]. I grow tobacco myself here in Michigan and I know how very very sticky the green leaves are. I believe that the millions of smokers deaths from lung cancer were caused mostly from fallout from that very leaky DOE plant at Oak Ridge[that is why lung cancer rates in smokers have been dropping since that plant closed]. The tobacco I grow here in Michigan is very simular in taste to the Canadian tobacco grown north of Lake Eire[think "Players"]blah! and needs be mixed with some rich tasteing southern stuff, though it does have a higher nicotine kick than anything I have been able to buy. Note: I started rolling my own when I found out they are now putting RAT POISON[wolfern/cummatin] in the commercial cigs
There is no way that UF6 can transform/decay into polonium. I have heard about polonium content in tobacco and I really have no idea how it got there. I don't think that Oak Ridge made polonium; typically produced by bombarding bismuth in an accelerator.

cigarlover | 07-20-2008 12:14 PM
Re: Roll your own I'm a cig smoker as well as cigars. I have no idea whats in the cigs but I do know that the cigs i smoke in the US suck. They make me cough when I smokem. When I was in the Philippines a couple years ago i smoked the same brank there marlboro lights. The big difference other than cost (8.00 a carton there) is that they basically smoked the same but didnt make me cough. I have no idea why but for awhile I had someone from there send me cartons every month.

Aproz | 07-20-2008 10:37 PM
Re: Roll your own I toyed with the idea of growing my own tobacco but haven't done so yet. Lately I've been buying Black Hawks from Black Hawk Tobacco over the internet and if everything they say is true I think they are the best commercial cigs. Apparently they are 100% natural grown in the Southwest US somewhere. Nothing is added to them and they use real cotton for the paper and filters. They are cheap also and I like the smoke. I've been thinking about rolling my own also and have been doing some reading on the different tobaccos so this thread has been helpful.

lemet999 | 07-20-2008 11:43 PM
Re: Roll your own Just keep hand rolling. You'll get better and faster.

hypervel | 07-21-2008 02:26 PM
Re: Roll your own Over the weekend I remembered that recently a bill was in congress to tax the hell out of the tobacco industry. Apparently it failed, but it's a reasonable bet that in a dem/dem/dem world, it'll pass PDQ. (It's for the chiiiiiildren) related news, just ordered from pipesandcigars.com a pound of bulk natural (huh?) cig filler. IIRC about 12-13 bux. Also 50 Padrons for 65 bux. WOO HOO! Mighty good shtf holdings.....

Ag_man | 07-22-2008 04:35 PM
Re: Roll your own Got my Premier Supermatic machine yesterday with a starter kit. A few observations; machine seems very solid and well-built, once you get the hang of getting the filter tubes on to the nozzle and the proper amount and distribution of tobacco in the filling chamber, it's very easy to crank them out. I bought the kit at: http://www.stuffyourown.com/supor.html The taste is better IMO, than commercial cigs. You can really taste the chemicals in commercial cigarettes, compared to the bulk tobacco that I got in my kit. I'll admit, it's a stupid habit, but by producing my own, I'm saving $ until I get smart enough to quit (hopefully soon!).

Pragmatist | 07-22-2008 11:52 PM
Re: Roll your own Nice thread. Ironically, I had a conversation 2 weeks ago and basically swore that I would never change brands. Marlboro Reds in a Box for 25 years. Thanks to this thread, I gave it a shot and found it quite civalizied. And health conscius no less. No chemicals. Different taste and excellent flavor. Night and day. Quick and easy. First time ever today and rolled a pack in 10 minutes. I kid you not and I am now an avid proponent. Premier Excel Machine Zen Full Flavor Cigarette Tubes Sacamore Pure & Natural Tobacco Freakin Awesome aroma, smell and taste. My biggest problem. I have a half carton of Reds. Where is the best place to keep fresh bulk 1Lb bags of tobacco? Cool, dark and dry? Humid? Under the sink? In a fridge? Please, please... do not say humidore.....:smokin: ~Prag

Pragmatist | 07-23-2008 11:24 AM
Re: Roll your own bumped this thread

Saul Mine | 07-23-2008 12:06 PM
Re: Roll your own http://coffinails.com/ has extensive info on growing tobacco, including the details you really want to know. Tobacco can grow almost anywhere, but in some places it's a winter crop and some places it's a summer crop. It tends to take a lot of water. Figure one plant per person per month. You will have to build an insulated and heated cabinet to cure it, unless you happen to like it raw. They also sell seeds for several varieties. Pragmatist, about storing your tobacco: reseal the bag and stick it in a cupboard. I keep mine in a dresser drawer. You are using Pure and Natural? That is one that I tried and thought was too dry and hard to roll. Try some Sagamore Long Cut. Use a little less (9/10 gram instead of 1 gram).

Pragmatist | 07-27-2008 09:38 PM
Re: Roll your own I just Ran the numbers. At the cost of a buck a pack to roll your own, the Excel paid for itself in the first carton. At 2 packs a day, I save $150.00 a month or $1,800.00 a year. Unbelievable!!! ~Prag:smokin:

Black Blade | 07-27-2008 11:41 PM
Re: Roll your own I gave it up years ago. I saw too many people check out with Lung cancer and emphasema. I got cured. Used to smoke two packs a day of Kools. But back in the day, a year had four seasons - Hash (oil and water based) from January to March, Dry from April to June (Honey Oil if you were lucky), Sensemilla from July to October, and Thai from October to January.

Saul Mine | 07-28-2008 02:47 AM
Re: Roll your own Oh, one more point: Get a small container with a tight lid, butter dish or some such. Only open your one lb bag to refill the dish. That way the big bag doesn't dry out from being opened 20 times a day. If for some reason you think your bag of tobacco is too dry, set a dish with a small amount of water inside and nuke it for 10 seconds. It's preferred NOT to seal the bag for this ceremony. If the water doesn't get hot, nuke it again. You don't want it to boil, just get hot. Let it sit for a few minutes and check the tobacco. Repeat until it seems to be as moist as you want it.

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mouse | 12-08-2008 03:01 AM
Re: Roll your own I just for kicks tried this out today. I was surprised to find that it is not that hard (In fact I have yet to destroy a tube. I messed up one, but it was still fine and got a re-do on it). I got a cheepy rizla box and I made 12 cigarettes. After making two, I timed myself and couldn't do more than 1 per minute with this machine. The cigarettes are of higher quality, burn more evenly, burn longer, and taste better than than the stuff I am paying out the ying for. I still need to quit, but this is a good prep item to have in your arsenal for sure. For me, it could be difference between running out and being nuts during a time where it's best to be sane, or if I am able to break the smoking by then, I have some really good and very high demand product to barter with. If you had a high capacity machine, plenty of quality tobacco properly stored, tubes and a couple good machines, you and the wife/and or kids could produce enough cigarettes to keep you fed or get other items you need. I would think this would be great production for kids. I don't have any yet, but if you had kids in SHTF you would want them doing something productive and simple and profitable. This would be one of those things. Thanks for a great post.

Saul Mine | 12-08-2008 03:24 AM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by Pragmatist Where is the best place to keep fresh bulk 1Lb bags of tobacco? Cool, dark and dry? Humid? Under the sink? In a fridge? Please, please... do not say humidore.....
Anywhere you can find it. I find that the tobacco dries noticeably even in the bag it came in, so I got a little 2 oz spray bottle. Every time I pull out a day's supply I spritz it to restore the moisture. That's a lot easier than trying to steam a whole bag. Has anybody tried to grow tobacco? I keep thinking about it, but ... I dunno. I figure if times get that difficult I'll just stop. It's easy to stop, I've done it dozens of times.

.925 | 12-12-2008 04:15 PM
Re: Roll your own I happen to have a baggie with about 8oz of baccy seeds. Cant imagine how many billions of seeds is in there.

.925 | 12-12-2008 04:18 PM
Re: Roll your own I grew a whole garden full last year. It was a lot of fun. http://www.coffinails.com/ Best site I ever found. Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Mine (Post 1454792) Anywhere you can find it. I find that the tobacco dries noticeably even in the bag it came in, so I got a little 2 oz spray bottle. Every time I pull out a day's supply I spritz it to restore the moisture. That's a lot easier than trying to steam a whole bag. Has anybody tried to grow tobacco? I keep thinking about it, but ... I dunno. I figure if times get that difficult I'll just stop. It's easy to stop, I've done it dozens of times.

lhslancers | 12-12-2008 04:21 PM
Re: Roll your own You guys paying less than 6 cents per cig rolling your own?

dlm1968 | 12-12-2008 04:23 PM
Re: Roll your own I pay about 7 cents per cig. making them myself.

Saul Mine | 12-12-2008 11:21 PM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 1462993) You guys paying less than 6 cents per cig rolling your own?
From ryotobacco.com: 1,000 tubes $100.00 12 lbs tobacco $150.00 One lb tobacco fills 500 cigarettes, so it costs 2.5 cents for tobacco and 1 cent for the tube.

Randall | 12-17-2008 10:48 AM
Re: Roll your own bump this thread

Keef | 12-17-2008 11:36 AM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by cigarlover (Post 1201261) I'm a cig smoker as well as cigars. I have no idea whats in the cigs but I do know that the cigs i smoke in the US suck. They make me cough when I smokem. When I was in the Philippines a couple years ago i smoked the same brank there marlboro lights. The big difference other than cost (8.00 a carton there) is that they basically smoked the same but didnt make me cough. I have no idea why but for awhile I had someone from there send me cartons every month.
I also noticed the cigarettes (Marlboros) tasted better over there, for 60 cents a pack. Street vendors, mostly kids, would sell you half packs of 10 for 30 cents. I miss that place.. Prices were cheap and service was excellent.. I smoke mini-cigars, you can still get those for as little as $7.20 a carton, about the price of roll-ur-owns. Might be a good item to stock away. http://www.lilbrown.com/product_info...oducts_id/5985

hypervel | 12-17-2008 11:46 AM
Re: Roll your own Lil' brown is jes up the hill from me....

BellevueBully | 12-17-2008 11:50 AM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1197916) Ahhh Yesss the number ONE cash crop in the United States.
Vancouver's mayor admitted that BC bud was BC's largest export.....to the tune of 4B$ I believe.

mouse | 12-18-2008 03:59 AM
Re: Roll your own I found I can roll them a lot faster by hand, but the result is not nearly up to the quality standard, no filter and of course, the social stigma associated with smoking what looks like a j. In terms of keeping things humid, if the bags are good until you open them, invest in a cheap guitar humidifier. These are designed to keep the moisture at 40-45% humidity. You just fill it up whenever it looks empty and it will keep the humidity spot on. I have a bunch of these because acoustic guitars are expensive and they self destruct if put in the wrong humidity for too long. I dropped one of these in my tobaccy bag and it's staying nice and moisty. I have a humidity checker too and tested it, the bag is at 45%. http://elderly.com/accessories/items/OGH3.htm Might be able to get these cheaper, but Elderly is a great outfit. Support mom and pop

Ragin1 | 12-18-2008 04:37 AM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick (Post 1196946) This machine has meet my expectations, which are the same as yours. Without trying to break any speed records, you can do a pack in 4 minutes. Premier Supermatic (not the inferior supermatic 2)
I agree with Dick. I've used one of these for 3 years. Hasn't missed a beat. You can roll a carton for under 7$, including tubes. You will need to clean it now and then. I understand you can also buy spare parts for it. I haven't had to replace anything on it yet. It's worth every penny. http://cgi.ebay.com/Premier-Supermat...3286.m20.l1116

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 12-19-2008 09:26 PM
Re: Roll your own I roll my own, my favorite "readily available" brand of tobacco is balishag, I used to smoke bugler and tops as well. It is way more powerful than a store bought cig, and no chemicals, save nicotine itself. Way nicer. My breath and clothes do not smell nasty afterwards. I used to get grief, smoking store bought, because people would smell it on me afterwards. With hand-rolled, nobody ever comments - except for the occassional people who think I am smoking a joint, and walk up to talk to me! I have made a few friends that way. You have a lot of options. You can get rice paper, hemp paper, flavored or unflavored papers . . . occassionally I'll make a mouthpiece, for which I have a system of folding a small piece of cardboard. I also purchased some cotton filters but I haven't tried those yet. I also have a wood pipe and some pipe tobacco, which is EXCELLANT, even better than a hand-rolled smoke, but not as convenient. The Tinder Box, has been in business for 81 years and I get my blends for the pipe, from there. And you better BELIEVE I have several pounds of tobacco in my preps. Not only will I be insanely popular down the road, but it gives me something to do with my hands in the "down" time. Sometimes I use a rolling machine, but most of the time I roll by hand. Honestly the rolling machine is most useful when you want a 50-50 "Split" with the green tobacco : ) What a nice combo THAT is! And finally, my method for "refreshing" dry tobacco - because I am wary of the microwave, I drop a piece of orange peel, or cut apple slice, into the jar (but not touching the tobacco) where I keep my stash. I let it sit in there anywhere from a few hours to a few days. As the water equalizes out of the fruit, and into the tobacco, it really puts the spring back in its step, and adds a little bit of orange flavor besides. But if you need it ready NOW, the microwave method DOES work. And microwaving a cigarette WITHOUT water is a good way to dry off a smoke, if your last one is wet and you just gotta have it! Happy Smoking! Next week: Hookah, Shisha, and Nergila http://goldismoney.info/forums/pictu...&pictureid=374

____hoot____ | 12-19-2008 09:54 PM
Re: Roll your own Started ordering my smoke from Lil Brown, seems like a great outfit and since I'm a little brown myself I like being able to support my people and not have to pay those federal taxes. Only problem is that they have too many different smokes to chose from. Have tried six so far and like the Cheyenne the best @ $10.30 a pound.

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 12-19-2008 10:31 PM
Re: Roll your own I would be interested in some Indian herbal blends . . . i e fix or six herbals mixed into a pipe blend. For example "Sacred Tobacco" is different than just tobacco....Lobelia, I think it is?

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 12-22-2008 03:50 PM
Re: Roll your own Quote:
Originally Posted by cigarlover (Post 1201261) I'm a cig smoker as well as cigars. I have no idea whats in the cigs but I do know that the cigs i smoke in the US suck. They make me cough when I smokem. When I was in the Philippines a couple years ago i smoked the same brank there marlboro lights. The big difference other than cost (8.00 a carton there) is that they basically smoked the same but didnt make me cough. I have no idea why but for awhile I had someone from there send me cartons every month.
My friend went to China last year and brought me a carton of Chinese cigarettes. They didn't taste good at first, they tasted too light. Then I started to get really into them after a few days. They started to taste Amazing! I couldn't put my finger on it, but it was SO smooth. When trying to find more afterwards, I figured out what it was. The Chinese cigarettes were using charcoal filters, not cotton. Which apparently gives you the black lung - but tastes great.

cccmachine | 01-12-2009 10:00 PM
Re: Roll your own You Tube
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SomeSilver | 01-12-2009 10:10 PM
Re: Roll your own I've been using a "TOP" (brandname) simple plastic gizmo that is very easy to use and cost me only $7.95. I've been using it for about six months and it is easy to use. I buy premade filtered paper "tubes" for $3.99/200. You can buy a very high quality tobacco, enough for more than 200 cigarettes for about $16. So if you roll your own, using better tobacco than most commercial brands and turn out a "carton" for about $20. I can make a "pack" (20 smokes) in about 10 minutes. My gadget makes one cigarette at a time...if you want to spend a bit more there are machines that make multiple cigarattes at a time.

buff01 | 03-17-2009 10:51 PM
Re: Roll your own bump this thread. not much time left before the tax hike

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 03-17-2009 11:00 PM
Re: Roll your own Gonna buy some seeds as a gift for a friend and a couple pounds of tobacco for myself. My buddy just got done telling me that tobacco seeds were impossible to find - he doesn't use the internet. He's gonna lose his mind when he sees the seeds!

buff01 | 03-18-2009 02:47 AM
Re: Roll your own Well, I just threw down some money for an Excel, tubes, a pound of Sagamore natural, and some Bali Shag. I'll report my experience when the loot arrives :bear_w00t:

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