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dysgenic | 09-25-2009 03:00 PM
Drugs Recreational drugs could be very valuable when TSHTF. Pharmaceuticals carry the least amount of risk, and they are cheap if you know how to doctor Shop. Easy drugs to get that have a high demand include seboxcin, adderal, clonopil, ambien. Difficult ones are oxycontin, morphine, and other opiates. They last forever in pill form, storage easy. Here are drugs that are legal to get in certain circumstances: nitrous, dust off, Glade. Illegal drugs are more difficult because they generally have to be kept in the freezer to keep (example: cocaine). Also, high risk for storing. It might be smart to stock up on pharmaceuticals while you still can.

Kregener | 09-25-2009 03:04 PM
Re: Drugs Kregener says Thank you for this useless and tasteless post!

Lucky225 | 09-25-2009 04:23 PM
Re: Drugs people that want nitrous, dust off, Glade are going to be the last people I'm going to be around in that type of situation! First ones to go in my opinion.

Real Money Now | 09-25-2009 04:26 PM
Re: Drugs You stock up on the dope. I'll stock up on the bullets to neutralize your customers.

Jimfrancisco | 09-25-2009 05:11 PM
Re: Drugs Since when did coke need to be kept in the freezer to keep? I've snorted coke that was 40 years old, from a pure, medicinal jar, and it was better than anything I've had since...

Sparky | 09-25-2009 05:24 PM
Re: Drugs It might also be a good idea to think of ways to help people when TSHTF that don't involve you exploiting them for profit by providing a psychological escapist crutch that will likely act against their long term well-being.

SilverCity | 09-25-2009 05:35 PM
Re: Drugs There was a thread quite a while back about brewing beer and hard liquor for barter during a survival scenario... First thing I thought of was how all the winos and alcoholics in town would be camped out on your front lawn soon as they found out who had hooch for sale. Personally, I like Sparky's comment. Folks will get a serious wake-up call and will need to dry out or de-tox if they are to survive.

Jimfrancisco | 09-25-2009 06:00 PM
Re: Drugs Yes, but you may WANT them to survive. Too many grannys, moms, etc. have been prescribed valium or equivalent for long enough that they need it. Heroin withdrawal - you wish you were dead. For a week, maybe two. Benzo withdrawal - you may well end up dead. Good to keep a stock on hand, because the people you might find most useful, most knowledgeable, will be no use if they die on you.

dysgenic | 09-25-2009 06:56 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1940238) Since when did coke need to be kept in the freezer to keep? I've snorted coke that was 40 years old, from a pure, medicinal jar, and it was better than anything I've had since...
I did not know that. I guess that's an old wives tale. To all others, I will gladly be on an island on this one. There is no victim in an consensual exchange of merchandise.

Jimfrancisco | 09-26-2009 05:37 AM
Re: Drugs And you know the worst part? My grandfather was a doctor. After he died, my dad was clearing out his stuff, and came across a 500g jar of pure coke, used as a local anaesthetic. He thought about it for a while, then flushed it all. Sometimes I respect my late father, sometimes I don't.

dysgenic | 09-26-2009 02:42 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1941120) And you know the worst part? My grandfather was a doctor. After he died, my dad was clearing out his stuff, and came across a 500g jar of pure coke, used as a local anaesthetic. He thought about it for a while, then flushed it all. Sometimes I respect my late father, sometimes I don't.
You flushed 500g of coke? You flushed 50 grand down the toilet. Foolish decision on your part.

Dzepxich | 09-26-2009 03:05 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by dysgenic (Post 1941494) You flushed 500g of coke? You flushed 50 grand down the toilet. Foolish decision on your part.
Re-read the post, his dad flushed it. If it was medical grade, it would have been worth about 150 grand, or more, after it was cut down to street level potency. A lot of the "steet level" stuff contains no more than 10% cocaine.

dysgenic | 09-26-2009 03:16 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzepxich (Post 1941520) Re-read the post, his dad flushed it. If it was medical grade, it would have been worth about 150 grand, or more, after it was cut down to street level potency. A lot of the "steet level" stuff contains no more than 10% cocaine.
My bad. Incredibly foolish play on his father's part. I don't agree that 'street level' coke is no more than 10%. More like 50 or 33% at the most.

HomesteadHarry | 09-26-2009 03:24 PM
Re: Drugs 1 Attachment(s) ITT: When SHTF, I'm going to be a inhalant warlord. :565:

dysgenic | 09-26-2009 03:38 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky225 (Post 1940171) people that want nitrous, dust off, Glade are going to be the last people I'm going to be around in that type of situation! First ones to go in my opinion.
Nitrous is awesome. Possibly the best drug eva.

RaccoonRiverRadical | 09-26-2009 04:04 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by dysgenic (Post 1940383) There is no victim in an consensual exchange of merchandise.
Crackheads always look like victims to me.

dysgenic | 09-26-2009 04:12 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by RaccoonRiverRadical (Post 1941581) Crackheads always look like victims to me.
Ya. The drugdealers made them do it.

AGRO | 09-26-2009 04:15 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by dysgenic (Post 1941558) Nitrous is awesome. Possibly the best drug eva.
Probably the stupidest too. No offense. That stuff literally just vaporizes brain cells!!

AGRO | 09-26-2009 04:16 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1941120) And you know the worst part? My grandfather was a doctor. After he died, my dad was clearing out his stuff, and came across a 500g jar of pure coke, used as a local anaesthetic. He thought about it for a while, then flushed it all. Sometimes I respect my late father, sometimes I don't.
Why would he have this? Was he a surgeon? Even then..... Did he use it?:565:

RaccoonRiverRadical | 09-26-2009 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dysgenic (Post 1941590) Ya. The drugdealers made them do it.
The crack dealer is providing a service and is perfectly respectable?

dysgenic | 09-26-2009 07:31 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by RaccoonRiverRadical (Post 1941619) The crack dealer is providing a service and is perfectly respectable?
Yes, the crack dealer is perfectly respectable. What you don't get is that not everyone that smokes crack turns into a crackhead. The vast minority do. Actually, most people that try crack don't even like it. I've tried it probably 3 or 4 times and I've never cared for it. Highly overrated drug.

AGRO | 09-26-2009 07:33 PM
Re: Drugs Dysgenic, Check these out! Just a small piece of America's drug laden history http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images...-bottle-ad.jpg http://z.about.com/d/inventors/1/0/8...er_aspirin.jpg http://www.bolender.com/Dr.%20Ron/SO...eroin%20Ad.jpg http://z.hubpages.com/u/298604_f520.jpg

Dzepxich | 09-26-2009 10:36 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by AGRO (Post 1941592) Probably the stupidest too. No offense. That stuff literally just vaporizes brain cells!!
Actually, Nitrous is totally non toxic. It is impossible to harm brain cells with nitrous unless one cuts off oxygen, like with a mask. It is exhaled in exactly the same state as inhaled, and is in the air naturally at extreamly low concentration. It is commonly used in dentistry, and was discovered to be a pain killer by accident.

RaccoonRiverRadical | 09-26-2009 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dysgenic (Post 1941855) Yes, the crack dealer is perfectly respectable. What you don't get is that not everyone that smokes crack turns into a crackhead. The vast minority do. Actually, most people that try crack don't even like it. I've tried it probably 3 or 4 times and I've never cared for it. Highly overrated drug.
Most people who use crack use it compulsively. It is not like a person goes home after work, kisses the wife and kids, takes a hit off the crack pipe, then helps prepare the evening meal with the family. While people are under the influence of crack they become paranoid, withdrawn, and creepy. Then they want more. They are not respectable. People shun them. It is similar to the lowlifes who sold alcohol to the American Indians. They were considered lowlife trash. Same goes for crack dealers.

AGRO | 09-26-2009 11:09 PM
Re: Drugs You make a valid point but, Don't you think there are other things more worthwhile in this realm? Everything Kills brain cells, I would say this accelerates the process, if your gonna kill em' why do this? Maybe I am wrong. I would not say "impossible." IN, dentistry Nitrous delivered as a constant stream, used as a breath in with a dissolution of 50% O2 and 50% No2 Out comes the exhaust Co2 In recreation the Breath in is a full dose of No2, exhaled in and out of ballon with more No2 and now Co2. Quote:
Hyperventilating causes a drop in CO2 below normal levels, lowering blood acidity to trick the brain into thinking it has more oxygen than is actually present. Hyperventilating can cause blood oxygen levels to go to dangerous levels.
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(1) Despite oodles of scientific experiments, they don't exactly know how nitrous oxide works. "The best surmise," it says here, "is that the gas acts indirectly, perhaps through a pain-inhibiting system in the spinal cord that releases a substance whose effect in turn inhibits a particular neurotransmitter required for pain-signal passage." Check. (2) No short-term harm is attributed to nitrous oxide, the experts say, although accidents are an occasional problem. A patient in England died in the 1960s after breathing gas that was contaminated with the lethal higher oxides of nitrogen. Inspection standards supposedly are higher here in the U.S., but that doesn't mean you have nothing to worry about. Barry Kramer, founder of Creem magazine, died in 1981 at age 37 of an apparent overdose involving nitrous and unnamed other drugs, according to news reports. So some caution seems to be in order.

Jimfrancisco | 09-27-2009 12:57 AM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by dysgenic (Post 1941531) My bad. Incredibly foolish play on his father's part. I don't agree that 'street level' coke is no more than 10%. More like 50 or 33% at the most.
My father was a lawyer, and didn't like drugs - so he flushed it without a thought. If I had found it, it would have been kept.

Jimfrancisco | 09-27-2009 01:03 AM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by AGRO (Post 1941594) Why would he have this? Was he a surgeon? Even then..... Did he use it?:565:
Yep, he was a surgeon and everything else, as you had to be during WW2. Did he use it? I have no idea. Maybe yes, that's why he had half kilo of the stuff? Maybe no, I hardly knew him, he wasn't a big talker. He also left a few vials of diamorphine at my BO place - I had to try them, of course...

dysgenic | 09-27-2009 01:27 AM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by RaccoonRiverRadical (Post 1942111) Most people who use crack use it compulsively. It is not like a person goes home after work, kisses the wife and kids, takes a hit off the crack pipe, then helps prepare the evening meal with the family. While people are under the influence of crack they become paranoid, withdrawn, and creepy. Then they want more. They are not respectable. People shun them. It is similar to the lowlifes who sold alcohol to the American Indians. They were considered lowlife trash. Same goes for crack dealers.
How do you know that most people use it compulsively? What is your empirical experience with crack cocaine? My guess is that you have absolutely zero first hand experience with this drug. If so, you are just regurgitating what you have been told by people that have a vested interest in spreading propanganda that isn't true.

scyth | 09-27-2009 08:08 AM
Re: Drugs I'll stick to alcohol, tobacco and firearms, Thank you very kindly. Oh yeah, and caffeine. scyth

Unclad Lad | 10-01-2009 02:08 AM
Re: Drugs This is a very strange thread. Quote:
Yes, the crack dealer is perfectly respectable. What you don't get is that not everyone that smokes crack turns into a crackhead. The vast minority do. Actually, most people that try crack don't even like it. I've tried it probably 3 or 4 times and I've never cared for it. Highly overrated drug.
So, if you didn't care for it the first time, and knowing how damaging the stuff is: Why the hell would you smoke it a few more times? :confused_m:

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gunDriller | 10-01-2009 11:19 AM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky (Post 1940258) It might also be a good idea to think of ways to help people when TSHTF that don't involve you exploiting them for profit by providing a psychological escapist crutch that will likely act against their long term well-being.
i always thought that it would be wise for Department of Homeland Security to have a big stock of Xanax or Valium because people will need sedation. one aspect of drugs is, potency. there's a big difference between chewing coca leaves, as the Indians have done safely for thousands of years, and consuming a refined version that can put you on a slab. before Harry Anslinger made opium, cocaine, and cannabis preparations illegal, they were the 3 most widely prescribed drugs in America (besides firewater, i.e. alcohol). i would say that "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" implies the right to treat physical pain and stress without having to pay a doctor big $$ for a prescription. once i had a neighbor with a rich father. she is a retired biker babe and has melons as big as her pet chihuahua's. her father didn't like her Iranian biker boyfriend (this is in SoCal) and for a while she was super-stressed. so she'd get an injection of Valium from her doctor, which he was quite happy to provide, at about $100 an appointment. every day, for months. i bet it's nice to have paying customers like that. in other words, if you got $$, there are plenty of doctors who will sell you drugs, IF you pay the entry fee. Michael Jackson, for example. from the sound of it, he had about as much crap in his system as Elvis. maybe more, as a percentage of body weight. meanwhile, poor people are on their own, so they self-medicate with cigarettes and alcohol. what an interesting medical system America has.

GOLD DUCK | 10-01-2009 12:10 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1941120) And you know the worst part? My grandfather was a doctor. After he died, my dad was clearing out his stuff, and came across a 500g jar of pure coke, used as a local anaesthetic. He thought about it for a while, then flushed it all. Sometimes I respect my late father, sometimes I don't.
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Jimfrancisco | 10-01-2009 02:54 PM
Re: Drugs Nah, they just talked a lot of rubbish to each other - and tried to work out how to use a credit card to cut a rail underwater...:biggrin:

CajunCoin | 10-01-2009 03:43 PM
Re: Drugs From having been in KATRINA, RITA, GUSTAAVE and IKE trust me you do not want chemically altered folks around you in a SHTF situation, most of these people have zero shit for brains anyhow and when what little common sense is gone you might have to do something. At RAYNE, LA civic center during KATRINA, the influx of drug users caused the police to search actively for the stuff and when found, no mercy. Crackheads are a nuisance in the best of times and a danger to themselves and others when the world is coming apart. Nope, recreational drug users (includes drunks) are not what you want to deal with in a SHTF.

Jimfrancisco | 10-01-2009 05:09 PM
Re: Drugs A bit of "Dutch Courage" never harmed anyone - remember, the British Navy used to give the crew a pint of rum before battle to get them in a fighting mood. Fighter/bomber pilots take amphetamines before and during long flights. Don't dismiss what you haven't taken until you have tried it. Drugs are only bad when they are grossly abused.

Publico, Pro Se | 10-01-2009 05:56 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzepxich (Post 1942092) Actually, Nitrous is totally non toxic. It is impossible to harm brain cells with nitrous unless one cuts off oxygen, like with a mask. It is exhaled in exactly the same state as inhaled, and is in the air naturally at extreamly low concentration. It is commonly used in dentistry, and was discovered to be a pain killer by accident.
DO NOT use nitrous oxide. Dumb, dumb, dumb. If you happen to blast the gas into your lungs you will end up with the bends. I know a guy from way back when, he suffered a stroke when he was 16 and lost the left side of his brain. At the time he was big into nitro gas. Although he will never admit it I'm 99.96% sure he did a blast of nitro (from a chef's whip cream kit) and had his stroke 10 minutes later. If you want to catch a buzz, smoke some pot.

Jimfrancisco | 10-01-2009 06:29 PM
Re: Drugs Nitrous is the new harmless drug of choice, all it does is deplete B vitamins over time. It's been used for decades both recreationally and as an anaesthetic - don't write it off because of one story you know of. And by the way, you don't have a stroke on one side of your brain through nitrous, no matter how much you take - the guy either had existing problems, or was doing something else as well at the time, maybe poppers. Bad luck for him, but don't spread disinformation.

CajunCoin | 10-01-2009 07:35 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1950149) A bit of "Dutch Courage" never harmed anyone - remember, the British Navy used to give the crew a pint of rum before battle to get them in a fighting mood. Fighter/bomber pilots take amphetamines before and during long flights. Don't dismiss what you haven't taken until you have tried it. Drugs are only bad when they are grossly abused.
Asshats with "DUTCH COURAGE" in a bottle or pill form are generally losers, I was there in KATRINA and the drug users did not get treated good. Most Pillheads and Crackheads think they know their drugs and limits and sadly do not. The British navy used to keelhaul folks too, think it was a good idea. Nuts on Meth during Katrina got Belligerant and got the SH!T whipped out of them by the cops, I know, we had some bad actors showup with their stash and get high, you know, LET'S PARTY, and when the asshats got Belligerant, the stupid idiots got the jail and and a beating, somehow, Louisiana Cops never saw the Rodney King Sensitivity Training Film. Drugs and SHTF is not a good mixture, especially when nerves are frayed and rattled.

Publico, Pro Se | 10-01-2009 08:05 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1950305) Nitrous is the new harmless drug of choice, all it does is deplete B vitamins over time. It's been used for decades both recreationally and as an anaesthetic - don't write it off because of one story you know of. And by the way, you don't have a stroke on one side of your brain through nitrous, no matter how much you take - the guy either had existing problems, or was doing something else as well at the time, maybe poppers. Bad luck for him, but don't spread disinformation.
Jim, Read up on nitrous oxide use. If you put nitrous oxide under pressure into the lungs the Bends will develop. When under pressure in the lungs the nitrous oxide will pass thru the blood/lung membrane as a dissolved gas then once in the bloodstream the nitrous oxide will form air bubbles. That is the Bends. And stroke is one of the side-effects of the Bends. Nothing "wrong" with breathing in nitrous oxide at normal room pressure.

Jimfrancisco | 10-02-2009 03:23 PM
Re: Drugs It's impossible to get the bends through nitrous use - in fact it is used to PREVENT the bends. The sort of pressure you are talking about would only be possible if your friend happened to be deep underwater at the time. Nitrous did not cuse his stroke, something else did.

Jimfrancisco | 10-02-2009 03:27 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by CajunCoin (Post 1950413) Asshats with "DUTCH COURAGE" in a bottle or pill form are generally losers, I was there in KATRINA and the drug users did not get treated good. Most Pillheads and Crackheads think they know their drugs and limits and sadly do not. The British navy used to keelhaul folks too, think it was a good idea.
I think keelhauling people was a good idea as well. Whatever you did wrong, you wouldn't do again. Quote:
Nuts on Meth during Katrina got Belligerant and got the SH!T whipped out of them by the cops, I know, we had some bad actors showup with their stash and get high, you know, LET'S PARTY, and when the asshats got Belligerant, the stupid idiots got the jail and and a beating, somehow, Louisiana Cops never saw the Rodney King Sensitivity Training Film.
Again, is that a bad thing, that nutters on meth get a beating? Quote:
Drugs and SHTF is not a good mixture, especially when nerves are frayed and rattled.
That depends entirely upon the person, and the drug in question.

Jimfrancisco | 10-02-2009 03:35 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by CajunCoin (Post 1950413) Asshats with "DUTCH COURAGE" in a bottle or pill form are generally losers
It seemed to work OK for the British Navy - they did take over a large portion of the world, and are still regarded as the world's finest Navy. It was still dispensed daily up until 1970.

mick silver | 10-02-2009 03:36 PM
Re: Drugs if the shit it the fan drug and people wanting them would be the last thing i would be wanting to do .... hell staying alive maybe number 1 at that point

ctrl-z | 10-02-2009 05:18 PM
Rails boys OK, so a rail is a line of coke. There is a David Allan Coe song that goes: Lay me down some rails boys, and don't throw me in jail boys .... No need to go further, you know the song or you don't. I am just a naive country boy, and have been wondering about that for a while now. :coolbeer: Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1949939) Nah, they just talked a lot of rubbish to each other - and tried to work out how to use a credit card to cut a rail underwater...:biggrin:

Jimfrancisco | 10-02-2009 07:02 PM
Re: Drugs Yup, and "railing" it is just snorting it... nothing fancy!

CajunCoin | 10-02-2009 10:38 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1951863) It seemed to work OK for the British Navy - they did take over a large portion of the world, and are still regarded as the world's finest Navy. It was still dispensed daily up until 1970.
It was watered down RUM called GROG RATION and you gotta cup, not the whole kettle.

mtnman | 10-02-2009 10:46 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1951854) I think keelhauling people was a good idea as well. Whatever you did wrong, you wouldn't do again.
Keelhauling was a Death Sentence. No one suvives keelhauling except of course in Hollywood.

CajunCoin | 10-02-2009 10:47 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1951854) I think keelhauling people was a good idea as well. Whatever you did wrong, you wouldn't do again. Again, is that a bad thing, that nutters on meth get a beating? That depends entirely upon the person, and the drug in question.
1. Assuming you live, keelhauling was a good behavoir reinforcement tool. 2. Not really. 3. Any mind altering substance is enough problems in a SHTF, I have been in a SHTF situation, TRUST ME, altered states of reality and understanding can be hinderance in an emergency. Situational Awareness.

AGRO | 10-02-2009 11:37 PM
Re: Rails boys Yes, you are right! Quote:
Originally Posted by ctrl-z (Post 1952035) OK, so a rail is a line of coke. There is a David Allan Coe song that goes:---- I am just a naive country boy, and have been wondering about that for a while now. :coolbeer:

morganchaser | 10-02-2009 11:44 PM
Re: Drugs If you're not already a drug dealer: SHTF is a shitty excuse. The supply to existing dealers is already totally underground so the only interrupt they'll be seeing is convienience/communications and a slight rise in demand(self preservation will drive as many people to quit as job failures will drive people to start) from children who are stress about mommy and daddy's unemployment. Juries, judges, and cops will cut more corners on rights of the accused than ever because it's a crisis, and here's the worst part: Every unoriginal moron on the planet who dealt weed in highschool and has finally come to terms with the lack of demand for realtors will suddenly be your competition. Did I mention used car salesmen?(no offense, I admire the art, but the demographic holds true.) Antibiotics, (& ethanol/methanol if you have the storage) and Vitamin C are a better specialty as they are all worth their weight in gold if SHTF, dirt cheap currently,(veterinary grade and aquairium) and original enough that you won't be competiting with morons who are going to cut their own throat before they go out of business.

scyth | 10-02-2009 11:51 PM
Re: Drugs OK Got to admit This entire thread has me a little sideways. Not to inflame things further, But just what in hell have preps To do with late 20th century/early 21st century Recreational drug use? Me, I'm much more interested in True breeding seeds and Olden time hand skills. Unless you are dealing already, And see an opportunity, And plan to sell drugs as part of Your bugout strategy........ huh? scyth

kiwi_envoy | 10-21-2009 08:35 AM
Re: Drugs Here is a Dentist talking about Nitrous Oxide. K :553: I am a dentist who frequently administers nitrous oxide analgesia to my patients for routine oral surgical procedures. I have studied the drug from a medical standpoint for many years and most of my knowledge dealt with lung function, titrating to effect, etc. I have become increasingly aware of a phenomenon with my patients when nitrous oxide is administered at seventy percent for a reasonable amount of time. Once a patient was right at the edge of not being able to understand my voice. I would tell them to take six deep breaths in through their nose and out through their mouth. After completing this many patients pupils would dilate and become fixed for a time. Upon starting to come down many would speak of God and Jesus, deceased loved ones, and a profound realization that faded as they entered back into this world. Most of the time patients are embarrassed by their actions afterward and just sit bewildered. I decided to experience the effects for myself to see what exactly they are experiencing. I have experimented five times with the drug and the mystical nature of it is extremely intriguing. Basically, at the beginning of the experience one feels what I would call a 'beer buzz'. You are happy and may giggle or find regular things quite amusing. Next, a stage of confusion begins. If ones eyes are kept open you may hallucinate. I quite vividly saw things that could not have possibly existed. A patient being wheeled down the hall, a nurse pointing out things to a patient on an x-ray, etc. A couple of times I was included in another world. I guess these were dreams (or were they?). I would try to reach out and touch the things I was interacting with, but just then I would be plunged back into this world. I started to believe in ghosts because one time a teenage Goth looking girl was spitting on the floor and her boyfriend urinated in the hall. These images are so real it is unbelievable. It is like you are witnessing something that is going on around you all the time, but finally are able to see as the fog is lifted. Water is a frequent experience. Patterns would turn into waves like the ocean and slowly roll by. The next stage experienced is deeper. The face and body start to numb. The world swirls with vibrant colors and patterns. Some are so recognizable, but you don't know why. You have the feeling that they are all right before your eyes, but that the more you are in this world, the less you would allow yourself to see them. The next level is ascension. This is truly a feeling of getting higher and higher. There is a strange sound that happens every time and you can only remember it for a few minutes after the experience. It soon fades when you come back to this world. I just cannot describe the sound, but it is familiar and expected, but you just don't know why. It is just cosmic. It is rhythmical and repetitive, but also includes a sound of going up. I know that does not make sense. You would just have to experience it. The last level is only achieved for brief moments. The difference in it and going back to being drunk are but a few deep breaths - maybe even one breath. It is unity, extreme euphoria, and the realization that God is real. One realizes that you are very small in the universe, but that you belong. I couldn't help, but think that drugs must have been how man initially had religious philosophical experiences - ancient experiences that perhaps a few elite have kept hidden. Enter secret societies and the illuminati etc. I mean what the hell is all that anyway? All I know is that government does not want the masses to have these experiences. It makes you care little about their control over your lives as it puts things into perspective. This level is so extreme that you do not want to leave. All is well with the world and you feel like you are getting closer to God; perhaps ascending to be with him and worship him. Now when I say that, I do admit that I am a believer in Jesus Christ as the Messiah sent from God to help us understand Him and save us. There is no way to comprehend God. He is far too great, but at this state you are almost able to glimpse a little bit of the reality of the universe. I think that you leave your body, become dissociated from this world, and YOU JUST UNDERSTAND. There are profound realizations. Everything for a moment makes sense and time stands still literally. This is one of the strangest things about it. Now, the reason I believe I was able to recall this so vividly, is because I was ripped back into this world very suddenly a few times. These times made the biggest impression on me. Basically, my wife caught me doing the drug and right when I was at my zenith she slapped the nasal mask off of my face. I descended through the top levels rapidly and could feel myself coming back into my awareness of this life and world. Once I got back down to the 'beer buzz' stage that lingered for about a minute. I am telling you, the difference in feeling goofy and experiencing this trip is but a few breaths. As you are slapped back into this existence the window closes and the realizations are taken from you. You hold on to them for a minute or two. I told my wife over and over, 'I have finally figured it out', only to be discouraged by my lack of being able to articulate what I realized. It keeps fading and then as you totally become worldly again you start to doubt it. You say to yourself, 'No, no. I know this is true. I know it! But it continues to become foggy. My conclusions about this are many. First of all, many of my patients who are addicted to substances do not like this experience. Many of them freak out and become panicked. I had one girl completely lose it and told me she experienced 'burning on the inside'. People who claim to have no belief in God also are frightened by the trip. Look, I am not going to preach here, but I am just raising the question; if this is a window into something else unseen, might those ascending into heaven experience bliss and perhaps those not ascending may be experiencing something else? I don't know. Just posing the question. Also, I have come to the conclusion that this experience mimics death. In fact, I wonder where in the hell do we go when we are under general anesthesia. Maybe the same place. Maybe the window just shuts more concretely and you cannot recall anything at all. Look at anesthesia and any type of numbing medicine or depressants as capable of simulating a small piece of letting go - death if you will. Stimulants like cocaine bring you more into this world. They heighten your worldly experiences. Nitrous oxide is other worldly. Sound crazy? Well I think that the local anesthesia that I administer every single day is fooling the mind and body into thinking that that part of the body is 'dead'. This experience is similar. The neurons firing in your brain simulate what happens when you finally let go and relinquish all. Alcohol in certain doses does this to a lesser extent. You feel loose, slightly numb. But think about if you mix alcohol with the chemicals of your body. You will have different experiences depending on your mood. Add endogenous catecholamines to your ethyl alcohol and you have a surly drunk. Same way with this. Go into it with the right mindset and relax. Let go. Don't think about this world. Forget it for just a moment. Be careful though. Don't use a hundred percent nitrous oxide. It can be dangerous. The bottom line is that I have been profoundly affected by this drug. I am glad to have experienced it, but I also believe that this is not meant to be. This is an artificial way of reaching this higher level. My conclusion is that God fully wants us to reach this level and be with Him constantly. I don't know if he is trying to weed out the pure from the impure in the universe or what, but this life is a test that we must pass. It is important to achieve a healthy balance in life. Love truly is the most important thing we have here. We must seek to love without injuring others or bringing hurt to others. This is how we experience small pieces of heaven - holding a puppy, hugging your mother, making love to your wife, helping another person in need; these are small highs that are not as intense, but over a lifetime will pay off. I now fully understand this reality! http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=36803

GOLD DUCK | 10-21-2009 10:42 AM
Re: Drugs QWAK,When I was 27 and had one of my NDE experiences, I was out of my body watching :hahaha::23_30_104::36_3_13: It was as if a 10 ton weight I had carried all my life had been lifted off of me!:yes::23_30_104::yippee: I was increadably HAPPY -- better than any thing I had or have ever felt since in my life -- including GREAT SEX! :wink::yes::4_1_72::shine: I was NOT a happy camper at being PULLED BACK!:452::censored::s10::36_1_25::favorites21: I sort of look forfard to geting DEAD agen some day :yes::thinkey: I just don't want it to be after long suffering and extream pain!:452::shine: BTW:Years ago in my SCROUNGING I got an asortment of medical gas tanks,regulators and canulas and face masks for O2 and Nitrous Oxide! Any ideas on ware and how I could get them REFILLED?:questionm:stupido2::dontknow: I could almost set up a small "FIELD HOSPITAL" at this point :yes: I have a 10 man artic tent with heat and light,a working portable OR LIGHT,hospital bed that can double as an OR table,a very large asortment of surgical tools and even a medical vacuume pump and a small steam steraliser!:yes::23_30_104: I even have a "RED CROSS FLAG"! :hahaha::yes: My first NDE was at 6 years old and after that I wanted to be a DOCTOR/HEALER but with my dyslexia it was not posable:452: but it has always been a part of who I am or perhaps was in a previous existence?:dontknow::questionm When pets come to me and TRUST me to HELP them and I stich up there wounds and help them SOME of that EUPHORIC feeling and just instinctivly KNOWING comes back to me! :yes::thinkey::shine: ------- continued ------

GOLD DUCK | 10-21-2009 10:44 AM
Re: Drugs ------- continued ------ I worked on a horse back in 94 that had run full speed in to a barbed wire fence and fence post :36_1_25::favorites21: I stiched for several hours on its many wounds and it was as if I was out of my body and watching some one else doing it!:yes::confused_ma: I had no feeling of geting tired:452: and some how the horse knew too :thinkey: as it could have easaly KICKED my BRAINS OUT but insted totaly relaxed and did not flinch or resist as I stiched away with NO anastetic or pain killers!:36_3_13::shine: I have had similar but lessor experiences with dogs and a tame deer!:36_3_13::shine: That feeling of LOVE and TRUST :36_3_13: is what "ALL is ONE" -- is ALL about!:yes::36_3_13::shine: the DUCK :15_1_70v:

Maddie | 10-21-2009 11:40 AM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 1952534) Keelhauling was a Death Sentence. No one suvives keelhauling except of course in Hollywood.
Usually. The young John Howland got accidently keelhauled on the Mayflower and survived. Of course, he was apparently quite the studly young man, much admired by the rest of the pilgrims.

GOLD DUCK | 10-21-2009 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 1984162) Usually. The young John Howland got accidently keelhauled on the Mayflower and survived. Of course, he was apparently quite the studly young man, much admired by the rest of the pilgrims.
QWAK,Maddie,How does one get "accidently keelhauled" :thumb.aspx: It is sort of one of thoes ON PURPOSE THINGS!:wink::yes: Was he out on the BOW repainting the MAST HEAD with two ropes tied around his waist and lost his balance??:confused_ma: the DUCK :15_1_70v:

bwelkk | 10-21-2009 04:01 PM
Re: Drugs Not even some adderall for long shifts on neighborhood checkpoint, guys?

Unclad Lad | 10-22-2009 01:34 AM
Re: Drugs Most recreational drugs have some medicinal value, and vice versa.

Jimfrancisco | 10-22-2009 04:22 PM
Re: Drugs Quote:
Originally Posted by CajunCoin (Post 1952519) It was watered down RUM called GROG RATION and you gotta cup, not the whole kettle.
It was a half pint of straight rum, full proof (so a pint of modern day rum), while the British were aquiring their empire. Previously a gallon of beer. Fighter pilots still take amphetamines, as do special forces on long missions. Everything has it's place...

coopersmith | 10-22-2009 05:37 PM
Re: Drugs I would think cannabis seeds would be a nice addition to the SHTF kit. In a SHTF scenerio id shoot tweakers on sight. Better to have a clean shot than to have them creep up on you in the middle of the night.

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gangsta99 | 10-22-2009 07:39 PM
Re: Drugs Hey guys you wanna get high?? http://beat.bodoglife.com/wp-content...welie_bong.jpg

Txkstew | 10-25-2009 10:19 AM
Re: Drugs When I was a teenager, we lived on a military base. They had a huge warehouse and down one side they stored empty gas cylinders of all types. One day we saw some small blue tanks with Nitrous Oxide printed on the side. They only had a small stem for opening the valve, so we got a crescent wrench and cracked one open. To our surprise they weren't completely empty. Very strange experience to say the least. Lucky I'm not dead from the many times we sucked the tanks dry, full strength. The main effect that I remember, is a strobing Sargent strip pattern that I was entering like a tunnel. It only lasted a few seconds until you started breathing air again. There was a story in the news years ago, about a car full of kids, got hold of a full cylinder on Nitrous Oxide, and opened it inside an enclosed car. They were found the next day quite dead.

Unclad Lad | 10-26-2009 12:19 AM
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There was a story in the news years ago, about a car full of kids, got hold of a full cylinder on Nitrous Oxide, and opened it inside an enclosed car. They were found the next day quite dead.
Well, at least they died with smiles on their faces.

ToBeSelfEvident | 10-26-2009 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Dzepxich (Post 1942092) Actually, Nitrous is totally non toxic. It is impossible to harm brain cells with nitrous unless one cuts off oxygen, like with a mask. It is exhaled in exactly the same state as inhaled, and is in the air naturally at extreamly low concentration. It is commonly used in dentistry, and was discovered to be a pain killer by accident.
I worked with a guy in a hospital stockroom, and sometimes we'd take a hit off the nitrous tank we had on a shelf - a straight hit with very little oxygen mixed. I stopped doing it after a few times, but one time I came back from lunch and he was passed out on the floor. I woke him up and he told me he took a big hit right after the boss and I left for lunch - like 30 minutes ago! He had also torn the knee out of his pants when he went down and his knee was bleeding a little. And that was the end of the nitrous tank for both of us. I guess it's fairly harmless if properly mixed with oxygen - but stay away from the pure stuff!

Ragnarok | 10-26-2009 10:32 AM
Re: Drugs I was given a small amount of morphine in the hospital a couple years back. It didn't kill the pain as I had been led to believe by all the movies and stories. It just made me woozy and not give a damn about it - which is NOT the same as lessening the pain. I was still miserable, but it did enable me to sleep. IMO, I would not consider it (or nitrous oxide, btw) a "stock-worthy" drug. R.

Jimfrancisco | 10-26-2009 06:53 PM
Re: Drugs It beats drinking a bottle of bourbon then biting on a leather belt when someone has to cut off your leg with a hacksaw...

Jimfrancisco | 10-26-2009 06:54 PM
Re: Drugs PS - not speaking from experience here, I still have both legs.:biggrin:

Unclad Lad | 10-27-2009 02:34 AM
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I was given a small amount of morphine in the hospital a couple years back. It didn't kill the pain as I had been led to believe by all the movies and stories. It just made me woozy and not give a damn about it - which is NOT the same as lessening the pain. I was still miserable, but it did enable me to sleep. IMO, I would not consider it (or nitrous oxide, btw) a "stock-worthy" drug.
It could have been that you did not receive enough morphine, or it could be that other opiates would be effective, or there are no opiates that work for you. Morphine works for me, but I'm mildly allergic to it, so if I'm on a drip longer than 2 days all my skin begins to itch. But while we're on medicinal vs recreational drugs, it seems to me that for someone who is terminal within a few months or less, heroin would be a viable option for pain management.

Jimfrancisco | 10-27-2009 05:21 PM
Re: Drugs That itching is common to nearly all strong opiates - just one of the side-effects. But scratching the itch feels soooooo goooood! Heroin would of course be a viable option - it's already used, they just call it diamorphine instead. Heroin was a trade name, when Bayer invented the drug, as "a non addictive cure for morphinism". Great marketing, replace a morphine addiction with a heroin addiction!

Jimfrancisco | 10-27-2009 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ragnarok (Post 1991591) I was given a small amount of morphine in the hospital a couple years back. It didn't kill the pain as I had been led to believe by all the movies and stories. It just made me woozy and not give a damn about it - which is NOT the same as lessening the pain. I was still miserable, but it did enable me to sleep. IMO, I would not consider it (or nitrous oxide, btw) a "stock-worthy" drug. R.
Some people are naturally resistant to opiates - you seem to be one of them. The problem is, while they could give you more to kill the pain, it also increases the "bad" effects such as reduced respiration, etc. Fentanyl is often used when this happens as it doesn't seem to be affected the same way, being a totally synthesised drug.

buff01 | 10-27-2009 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bwelkk (Post 1984548) Not even some adderall for long shifts on neighborhood checkpoint, guys?
Let me tell you guys, that stuff WORKS WONDERS. I would be afraid to take it because I can see that becoming reliant on it would be very easy.

scyth | 10-27-2009 09:43 PM
Re: Drugs Had left hip replaced with titanium earlier this year. They put me on a morphine drip, which made me sicker Than a dog. The third time I puked into the handy dandy jug By the side of the bed - This would have been about 3am - I hit the bell and requested that it be pulled. They did, and offered me a platefull of pills. Oxy this and oxy that. I said screw it, politely. Now what was really funny is I was reading The Nurse's body/facial language, which Said "O shit here's another wannabee tough guy who Will be screaming for meds in another couple hours." I have always had a high tolerance for pain. So I just kicked back and went into healing mode. Every six hours, the same plate of pills would appear, And I would decline. Was functional and out of hospital in 2 1/2 days. They probably thought I was weird. scyth

dysgenic | 10-27-2009 10:00 PM
Re: Drugs Opiates make me horribly sick, I'm probably allergic to them.

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 10-27-2009 11:25 PM
Re: Drugs As much as I love that certain plant... It's just one more item in my seed-bank until SHTF is under control. I am smarter but not faster when I am on it, and I cannot afford to be philosophical in an "almost dying" situation. Although I have been getting good results with a topical application for pain...In fact I found a study showing that THC is a slightly better *topical* painkiller than morphine...Very few people will be allergic to this. And the pain relief is localized, i.e. only where applied. Your mind can stay sober.

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