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electric-amish | 07-06-2006 11:16 PM
Gun Question 10/22 I went to a shooting range today and made some holes. Dawns on me that the Ruger 10/22 I'm shooting is a great little gun but is Suffering from terrible magazine design. Release of the magazine is like trying to do Yoga or something -its retarded. Is there a way around this stupid system? E-A

Ponce Cuba | 07-06-2006 11:37 PM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Practice practice practice

wallew | 07-06-2006 11:38 PM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 I will have to do some research for you, but there are ALL SORTS of upgrades available for the 10/22. I no longer work on ANY RUGER firearm, mainly because of Bill Rugers attitude towards motorcycle riders. I even sold ALL my Rugers. I will find the correct websites for you to visit.

electric-amish | 07-06-2006 11:53 PM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Ponce Your right if I can't make it better I must learn to do this faster for sure. E-A Wallew Anything you can suggest is appreciated. E-A

wallew | 07-06-2006 11:57 PM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 EA, I used to modify quite a few. But as I said, it was a personal thing with me to stop working on Rugers. I WILL find the info and pass it along. The 10/22 is one of the MOST easily modified 22 caliber firearms made. There is even a pretty good video out there on HOW to modify them.

grizzlyduck | 07-07-2006 12:12 AM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...&ps=10&si=True the VOLQUARTSEN is the best. although the EAGLE will work just fine, just not as cosmetically pleasing and is plastic. i have never used the CLARK. this does require some disessembly of the trigger housing to install. (but not too much). it's about a 10 minute job if you have never done it before and have to follow the included instructions step-by-step. :bandit:

electric-amish | 07-07-2006 12:30 AM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Grizzeled Duck Have you done this before? E-A

melbo | 07-07-2006 12:38 AM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Search on extended Mag release I added them to my sons 10/22s Noticed mention of a Volquartsen... I have one. It's one of my favorite rifles. ( and I have 50cals)..... I'll get a pic tomorrow. Oh, You can install that mag release yourself

electric-amish | 07-07-2006 12:54 AM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 I just took the trigger unit out and pushed the retaining pin that looks like the Axel for it and the release came right out. I guess you replace with a new one and your in. E-A Putting it back in is a little more. hahahahah- finally got it.

SAUM | 07-07-2006 10:02 AM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Wallew, While we are on it, I have one that stove pipes way too often, even when clean. The ejector has a nice clean edge so I think it is because the groove where the ejector resides when the bolt is forward is too shallow. I've been considering filing the groove with a jewlers file to make it a little deeper. Think that would help?

grizzlyduck | 07-07-2006 10:40 AM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Quote:
Originally Posted by electric-amish (Post 292652) Grizzeled Duck Have you done this before? E-A
i'm a FFL / "minor" gunsmith, i've built entire custom 10/22s. they are one of the easiest guns to work on and require no special tools at all. oh, and SAUM, Volquartsen also makes an improved extractor that will most likely fix a stove-pipe issue. again, it's a really easy install. fileing will probably work too, just make sure not to hit the tip of the extractor, you want a good sharp edge. but i recommend doing a replacement instead of fileing because the factory extractor is not hardened and will wear out quicker, especially if you file it down.

wallew | 07-07-2006 10:41 AM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Quote:
Originally Posted by SAUM (Post 292898) Wallew, While we are on it, I have one that stove pipes way too often, even when clean. The ejector has a nice clean edge so I think it is because the groove where the ejector resides when the bolt is forward is too shallow. I've been considering filing the groove with a jewlers file to make it a little deeper. Think that would help?
S, Without physically looking at it, I can't say. The best I can give you is more than likely that will resolve the issue. How old is the firearm? How many rounds through it? Overall shape of the bolt? Lots of questions. Oh, here are a few websites... http://www.ruger1022.com/ http://www.ruger-1022.com/ http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/1022con.htm http://www.rimfiresports.com/merchan...egory_Code=R1A The website above (rimfiresports.com) has an 'extended mag release' on its front page. It's made by Volquartsen who is one of the leaders in 10/22 parts. IF you scroll down to the lower portion of the page, there is a Volquartsen 'exact edge extractor', which might resolve SAUM's problems. Well, hope that helps you folks with parts. Below are a couple of links that list instructional videos for the 10/22. http://technicalvideorental.com/inde...roducts_id=460 http://www.rimfiresports.com/merchan...t_Code=AGI-109 http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/videos.htm Grizzlyduck beat me to it. But as he says, the 10/22 IS one of easiest firearms to work on. I disagree about NOT needing any tools to work on it. At least a good set of pin punches and flat head screwdrivers made by size, but that would get you MOST of the work most people would do on a 10/22.

smullen | 07-07-2006 10:42 AM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Quote:
Originally Posted by electric-amish (Post 292617) I went to a shooting range today and made some holes. Dawns on me that the Ruger 10/22 I'm shooting is a great little gun but is Suffering from terrible magazine design. Release of the magazine is like trying to do Yoga or something -its retarded. Is there a way around this stupid system? E-A
Nice gun... You can shoot all day for about 20-25.00 if you buy premium (cleaner, more consistant load from round to round) shoot for under 12.00 if you buy budget stuff... As for your issue mentioned, I too strongly recomend the external mag release option.... I have a few 10/22s (fun, cheap and accurate) and on one of them, I did several upgrades/mods at once... I figured while I had it apart... I might as well do a few things... So I did the following .920 Bull Barrel Upgrade, Hogue "Overmolded Stock" made for the Bull Barrel, external Mag release, titanium firing pin and guide/slide rod... Scope goes without saying as the "Bull" barrels have no sights on them.... The thing is a tack driver... Feels a lot more steady, I love it!!! After shooting mine, I can't stand swapping magazines out more than just a few times on my 10/22s without the external release or on my friends... Its been awhile since I did this to mine, but I think it was only like 8.00 for the mag release part... If you have a local Bass Pro, Cabelleas or other supersized sporting good store, they may stock them there... I'm supprised Ruger hasn't started making that a factory option, it couldn't add more than a buck or so to the cost... What range(s) do you normally go to???

grizzlyduck | 07-07-2006 10:54 AM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 1 Attachment(s) you can do just about anything with a 10/22. this is my "super soaker" built on a Volquartsen pistol reciever. :smokin: notice the EAGLE mag release. http://usera.imagecave.com/grizzlyarms/ring014.jpg

REV127 | 07-07-2006 11:03 AM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 I love the paintjob, a political statement, fun and cammo all rolled into one! I dunno about Rugers anymore, they seem hit and miss in quality. I had a great Mini-14 when I was a kid, and a friend had a P-series 9mm auto that never missed a beat. Another friend had a 10/22 and a MK II that had problems with jamming in the first case and parts falling off in the second. The .22 is a great little cartridge, lots of bang for the weight and cost. In .22lr I like the CCI Velocitor and the Aguilla Super Maximum. .22mag is way overlooked in my opinion, it gives you serious wallop in a pint sized package, whether fired from a pistol or a rifle. .22mag out of a NAA Black Widow mini revolver has as much muzzle velocity as .22lr out of a rifle! If you were a backpack survivalist I'd think a .22mag would be a great way to go. .22lr ain't bad either.

smullen | 07-07-2006 11:55 AM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Quote:
Originally Posted by grizzlyduck (Post 292945) you can do just about anything with a 10/22. this is my "super soaker" built on a Volquartsen pistol reciever. :smokin: notice the EAGLE mag release. http://usera.imagecave.com/grizzlyarms/ring014.jpg
Sweet!!! Looks like fun... Whats the BATF say about the cutdown??? (barrel length)

Halophyte | 07-07-2006 12:55 PM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 3 Attachment(s) 10/22 gattlin gun, dual 50 rnd clips, dual rifles made into one. Pretty cool.

smullen | 07-07-2006 01:08 PM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 I've always wanted to build one of those.... Just as a toy... Imagine the looks I'd get at the range when I set that thing up....

Floyd | 07-07-2006 01:14 PM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 One of those with a cordless drill instead of the crank. ;-)

Halophyte | 07-07-2006 01:41 PM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 I own two of the stainless 10/22's (one with an aimpoint for short rage work, and one with a 3x9 Simmons for reaching out there) but wouldn't mod them for that project ..... I have been tempted ... Do you guys remember a little crank gaget called the "BMF Activator" .... ? Hehehe

grizzlyduck | 07-07-2006 01:50 PM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Quote:
Originally Posted by smullen (Post 292998) Sweet!!! Looks like fun... Whats the BATF say about the cutdown??? (barrel length)
since it is built on a "blank" receiver that has never been a rifle it is perfectly legal to build it as a pistol.

electric-amish | 07-07-2006 10:11 PM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Smullen I go out to J.Henges at 44 and Antire when the mood strikes $5 for an hour with glasses and hearing protection. Members of this forum have come thru like champs. I'll get the release extension and if it goes easy I may do other mods. Special thanks Wellew, Melbo, Grizzled Duck. Maybe doing other mods I will PM you. Thanks Again, Electric-Amish

wallew | 07-08-2006 10:11 PM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Quote:
Originally Posted by grizzlyduck (Post 293106) since it is built on a "blank" receiver that has never been a rifle it is perfectly legal to build it as a pistol.
GD, That is incorrect. If the barrel length is LESS than 18" OR the over all length is less than 26" it's ILLEGAL to manufacture OR own. 8) The term "short-barreled rifle" means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches. http://www.atf.treas.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/gca.htm Right near the top... I recommend that you completely DISASSEMBLE that weapon and get rid of the shortened barrel or you can be in SERIOUS TROUBLE. Then you need to go to the BATFE and get an AOW (Any Other Weapon) permit if you want to build it again. I think the fee is like $200. BUT if you get caught with that weapon (at least here in the US) YOU will be in deep guano. I'm NOT kidding. Fines are stiff (above $1000 minimum) and one year in jail. And GOD HELP YOU if you are married with MINOR CHILDREN in residence. Then you will ALSO be charged with endangering a minor. Dude, GET RID OF THAT SUCKER. RIGHT NOW.

melbo | 07-08-2006 10:23 PM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 2 Attachment(s) wallew. It's a pistol as it has no butt-stock. Perfectly legal. I have a Bushmaster AR-15 pistol that would fall into the same category Doesn't matter that that reciever is Usually used in a rifle config... His is not AN an AOW would be a pistol like the above that has a vertical fore grip... (In this config) These (below) are fine and are sold or manufactured as pistols. The key is the stock. If you attach a stock to a Glock, then you have problems....

wallew | 07-08-2006 10:54 PM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 OK DOKEY. IT'S NOT MY butt on the line... I just tried to inform. The posting that I listed gives listing on 'pistols' also. HOWEVER, I personally doubt you could convince the ATF that the Volquartsen pistol grip mounted to a 10/22 makes it a pistol. But again, not my buns on the line. Just as an FYI, I've OWNED the AR Pistol. Made by Rocky Mountain Arms in Longmont, Colorado. It was an experimental model. Sold it to a collector friend of mine. I used to WORK for RMA as a gunsmith.

grizzlyduck | 07-09-2006 12:58 AM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 294138) OK DOKEY. IT'S NOT MY butt on the line... I just tried to inform. The posting that I listed gives listing on 'pistols' also. HOWEVER, I personally doubt you could convince the ATF that the Volquartsen pistol grip mounted to a 10/22 makes it a pistol. But again, not my buns on the line. Just as an FYI, I've OWNED the AR Pistol. Made by Rocky Mountain Arms in Longmont, Colorado. It was an experimental model. Sold it to a collector friend of mine. I used to WORK for RMA as a gunsmith.
it's NOT a RUGER receiver that was once a rifle. it is/was a brand new blank PISTOL receiver (FFL bound book recorded as such), made by VOLQUARTSEN. it happens to fit all 10/22 parts. it is perfectly legal to build ANY virgin receiver into a pistol or rifle. you cannot switch between the two though. if i were to add a butstock it would become a short barrel rifle and i would have to register it and pay the $200 tax. the laws regarding this are very technical and look as they were written by retarded monkeys. trust me, i made sure that all my ducks were in a row because i am an FFL and get inspeced by the BATFE. The BATFE says it's OK and plenty of documentation to back that up. BTW, Ruger has never released virgin receivers, so any pistol built on a ruger receiver would be illegal.

Silver Seraph | 07-15-2006 08:24 AM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Well I didn't see it listed so... rimfirecentral.com has a lot of information on the Ruger 10/22 and other rimfire models/manufactures. I have a 10/22 stainless carbine with a silver Simmons 22 MAG scope. I plan on buying at least one more sometime! They're nice guns that are super easy to work on, not too expensive, and cheap to shoot.:applause_

money matters | 07-15-2006 12:49 PM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 The 10/22 is a decent little gun that has spawned an industry of modifications. They are easy to work on. If you can unscrew the stock screw you are halfway there. The rest is driving out a few pins, replacing parts and reinserting the pins. The extended mag release goes in easy. Got mine from Brownells years back. If you are having problems with ejection or feeding jams, before you file anything down; try loosening the barrel block screws and rotating your barrel to line up better with the extractor. The barrels are not threaded, but are held in place by the tension block/wedge which is secured by 2 allen head bolts under the barrel, forward of the receiver. Easy to do at the range with a allen wrench and screwdriver; just loosen and adjust til you get it right. There are lots of stock and barrel kits on the market. I bought one, thought it made the gun too heavy. Thing is accurate enough with its regular barrel anyway. Unless you are firing match 22lr ammo will you notice the improvement? Easy to work on, easy to shoot. Americas favorite 22 autoloader.

money matters | 07-15-2006 12:59 PM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Wallew, You got mad at Ruger because of their stance on motorcycles??? Ruger is legendary for the their almost anti-gun attitude. They would not sell 10 or 20 rd mags for Mini-14's to "civilians", will not sell replacement factory parts like firing pins. They are just another Bullshit Corporation that happens to make "tough as nails" firearms. Buy Used, rather than new. Don't let em profit off of ya if it bothers ya. Motorcycles? I owned a Harley in `78, an FXE Superglide. Anybody over age 30 that rides one on the street has a death wish.

SAUM | 07-15-2006 01:50 PM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 I'll give that rotating the barrel thing a try if it still stovepipes since I already went to work with the trusty file:D . I didn't take much off of it, just enough to blow my hand off... I'll take it out tomorrow and let you guys know how many fingers I have left.

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SAUM | 07-21-2006 02:33 AM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Almost forgot to post the results here. Seems I have a bad magazine. No problems with the newer one while I have issues with the old one, both of which are Rugar. I don't know why this would effect extraction unless the top of the mag is out of tolorance and is making the spent shell strip off off of the extractor. Guess I'll take the old one apart and give it a good cleaning instead of just spraying breakfree into it. If that doesn't help I suppose the next step would be to figure out where the misalignment might be.

cb&julie | 07-21-2006 02:41 AM
Re: Gun Question 10/22 Has anybody ever tried out that gatling gun?

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