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DogFarm | 02-01-2008 03:24 PM
Pulling the Ejection Handle hey gang, after powwowing with my accountant on my current cluster fvck of real estate deals/litigation/etc. she said, 'wow, that's quite the hole you have there.' long story short....cash flow is drying up very quickly and she and I guestimate that after this tax season, I should be pretty much out of money. My partners will pick up the bulk of the litigation bill, but my net will get ground into nada and probably into a loss for tax purposes....which doesn't really help since I'm a real estate guy at heart (residential) and at this point, the phone has stopped ringing. I could drag things out and last until 2009 and hope for the best.... I'd really thought that by leaving the real estate scene in mid-2006 I could get through the door before it closed...well, it appears my tail got caught and at this point, DogFarm is pretty much SOL. After putting pencil to paper, running some different scenarios, and figuring some probabilities, I do think that while it would be more comfortable (emotionally speaking) staying in the US and grinding out some sort of existance this voice in my head is screaming for me to get out. Now. And frankly, I'm kind of tired of busting my ass in the US to see it go to taxes (which I think will skyrocket from here on out) and I expect my income will take a hit as well and DogFarm doesn't do poor very well. So I have decided to take my father in law up on his offer of a free apartment in a major European city, and start over with my fiance (who is a finance genius and last I heard, finance companies weren't exactly hiring). She speaks the language and I don't....I've had some luck importing some equipment into her country and I suspect I can probably set up an import company and do fairly well. Worse case, I ask my new father for a job (only if we are starving). Anyway, that's the plan. ET to departure is 6 months. Between now and then make a plan and get going. Toughest thing will be my residence which I will refinance and keep as an investment property or worse case scenario do a deed in lieu. For those who are in Colorado, I will probably have some guns and preps to sell at that time.

Gold Rules | 02-01-2008 03:37 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle WOW good luck .....hope it works out for ya

Abouthadit | 02-01-2008 05:07 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Hey DF. Best of luck to ya buddy. Let us know what guns and stuff you want to unload before hitting the silk. Will trade some SAEs or FRNs.

Glass | 02-01-2008 05:17 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle sounds like a well thought out plan DogFarm. Gotta do what's good for you. Good luck with that. I still feel like another major SHTF could be coming down the line soon, so having your tickets to ride at hand from here on out could be a good thing, just in case you know?

cortez | 02-01-2008 05:28 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle try to have fun with it. cheers from Wyoming

<SLV> | 02-01-2008 05:33 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Don't know if this will cheer you up or not, but I hear they get GIM over in Europe also. :wink:

Ulysses | 02-01-2008 07:21 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Best of luck, DogFarm!

hystckndle | 02-01-2008 07:28 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle DF, "You da man !! "....ooops....err..... "You da dog !! " Hang tight. Any action in any direction is a 100% success regardless of its immediate apparent result. Regards, Haystackneedle Note: If she speaks the same language as those natives of your recent vacation, PM me sometime as so does mine.

Twisted Avatar | 02-01-2008 08:00 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle I will mail you a box of milkbones!! We all have your back.....count on it. Wuff!! T

InfantryNCO | 02-01-2008 08:23 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Gee, that's too bad. Me, no one's running InfantryNCO out of his own damn country. No matter how bad it gets. But I guess that's what it's come to nowadays. Getting a little too tough? Run! I expected more out of GIMers. PM me if you wanna sell your preps.

shades2 | 02-01-2008 10:37 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle I don't think it's right to sit in judgement of others. People have to do what is good for them, sometimes not only financially but spiritually. He's not cutting and running, he's relocating with a plan. Good luck DF, and I think the timing is good, the wheels are starting to come off this puppy.

blacksheep | 02-02-2008 03:46 AM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Hey Dogfarm, I'm new posting here, but been hanging round awhile, will miss your third person, to the point postings. Sounds like you have a plan, hear France is great in the spring. Best of luck. BS

AMforPM | 02-02-2008 05:12 AM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle I hear you, NCO, but then I really wanted to get my wife outta here about 4 years back but our lives made it too entangled to go, so I guess we were meant to stay. I just hope it does not get so rough I can't keep her safe. I expect we will have at least riots, if not worse in the transition. DF it sounds like a well made decision. Your business is not working here but you can keep some Americans working exporting equipment. To me Europe, or most of it, looks pretty hairy too. I was thinking NZ maybe to get the wife somewhere less likely to have bullets flying. In the US and most of Europe I fear a police state will be unsuccessfully attempted. But maybe we will all think clearer than that and just have an economic crash and remake. Not that that won't be plenty hard on people, but much much less hard than wars. Iraq has it a lot worse than Argentina did.

Aussie | 02-02-2008 07:36 AM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Did the same thing, I packed up my US home, family and business in 2004 after almost 15 years and moved to NZ. The first 12 months were tough but now it's fine. I love that it's one the most geographically isolated and under populated (4m) countries on earth - I hope it stays that way. Good luck mate!

InfantryNCO | 02-02-2008 04:24 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 948612) I don't think it's right to sit in judgement of others.
Who's judging anyone? I stated a fact. Some people are weak at heart and don't have the intestinal fortitude to face adversity. Damn good thing the founders weren't weak. Dogfarm chose a suitable screenname. If he wants to run with his tail tucked to another country, then fine. As far as I'm concerned he never was and never will be a true American and I'm glad he won't be around to be a burden on our society any longer. See? No judging, just facts. Oh, and please don't go running to any American consulates when things go south in your new home.

DogFarm | 02-02-2008 04:39 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Quote:
Originally Posted by InfantryNCO (Post 949558) Who's judging anyone? I stated a fact. Some people are weak at heart and don't have the intestinal fortitude to face adversity. Damn good thing the founders weren't weak. Dogfarm chose a suitable screenname. If he wants to run with his tail tucked to another country, then fine. As far as I'm concerned he never was and never will be a true American and I'm glad he won't be around to be a burden on our society any longer. See? No judging, just facts. Oh, and please don't go running to any American consulates when things go south in your new home.
Ah making it personal I see. Go for it. You don't know me and I don't know you so frankly your opinion means dog piss to me. I was in the Army and tactics 101--when your resources and logistics lines become endangered you pull back. Retreat. Save your Army to fight a battle another day. In layman's term, it's called preserving your gene pool. Let us know when your militia gets up and running and when you take over your state's capital, but I suspect your bark is probably worse than your bite and the first knock on your door you get from the ATF you will probably have shit running down your leg.

steel_ag | 02-02-2008 04:40 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle DogFarm, sounds like you had alot of American intestinal fortitude and entrepreneurial spirit in the past to set up your own real estate biz... hope it works out for you in Europe, looks like an opportunity awaits, and with some hard work and a little luck, hopefully success; "carpe diem". Honest, business-minded Americans working overseas presents a good image for our country. Right now America needs ambassadors like you, in a time when the global opinion of our country isn't so great. I have read that Benjamin Franklin made many business deals in Europe. Here's to your success :beer:

Twisted Avatar | 02-02-2008 04:41 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Quote:
Originally Posted by InfantryNCO (Post 949558) Who's judging anyone? I stated a fact. Some people are weak at heart and don't have the intestinal fortitude to face adversity. Damn good thing the founders weren't weak. Dogfarm chose a suitable screenname. If he wants to run with his tail tucked to another country, then fine. As far as I'm concerned he never was and never will be a true American and I'm glad he won't be around to be a burden on our society any longer. See? No judging, just facts. Oh, and please don't go running to any American consulates when things go south in your new home.
It would be best to save all the venom FOR THE PRICKS THAT MADE IT SO FRIGGEN BAD HERE PEOPLE HAVE TO BAIL OUT!!! Save it for the black boot goons from the gubbermint.... We will need that fire and ammo soon enough. T

sterling | 02-02-2008 04:44 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle There is a difference between abandoning your country and getting an opportunity to start over. Good luck Dogfarm. I know how NCO feels I get tired of all the anti-american, I hate this place garbage also. But I think in this case you miss the point.

InfantryNCO | 02-02-2008 04:57 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Quote:
Originally Posted by DogFarm (Post 949571) Ah making it personal I see.
No, not personal. You just happened to touch on a subject that absolutely pisses me off and are catching my rant. I'm sure you are a stand-up guy. I can't tolerate people who reap the benefits of this country and then bail when it is no longer convenient for them. What I said in my previous post is the truth. Some people lack intestinal fortitude to stand up for themselves when times get rough. You mentioned that you "don't do poor very well." Awww... Cry me a river. Many who established this country lost everything they owned (family, land, fortunes) yet found it within themselves to continue the fight. You're right. I don't know you and you don't know me. But if what you post is the truth, then I wish you the best of luck. Just don't come back.

DogFarm | 02-02-2008 05:07 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle sure, whatever. i have better things to do with my time than go round and round with you. as for luck, I'm the one who should be wishing you good luck. Quote:
Originally Posted by InfantryNCO (Post 949596) No, not personal. You just happened to touch on a subject that absolutely pisses me off and are catching my rant. I'm sure you are a stand-up guy. I can't tolerate people who reap the benefits of this country and then bail when it is no longer convenient for them. What I said in my previous post is the truth. Some people lack intestinal fortitude to stand up for themselves when times get rough. You mentioned that you "don't do poor very well." Awww... Cry me a river. Many who established this country lost everything they owned (family, land, fortunes) yet found it within themselves to continue the fight. You're right. I don't know you and you don't know me. But if what you post is the truth, then I wish you the best of luck. Just don't come back.

blueice | 02-02-2008 05:39 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Blacksheep, welcome to GIMxo... Dogfarm, I wish you well..I did not know that you were self-employed like me, so I know what you mean about those.:censored:.taxes.

Ulysses | 02-02-2008 06:08 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Quote:
Originally Posted by InfantryNCO (Post 949558) Who's judging anyone? I stated a fact. Some people are weak at heart and don't have the intestinal fortitude to face adversity. Damn good thing the founders weren't weak. Dogfarm chose a suitable screenname. If he wants to run with his tail tucked to another country, then fine. As far as I'm concerned he never was and never will be a true American and I'm glad he won't be around to be a burden on our society any longer. See? No judging, just facts. Oh, and please don't go running to any American consulates when things go south in your new home.
You sometimes sound as if you represented a whole country, rather than just your individual self. I doubt DF will run into you at the front door if he ever needs to visit a US consulate in Europe. Also, referring to judgments (which you most certainly are passing) as facts simply doesn't make them so. Only serfs should be tied to the land, not people. I hope DF won't have too many difficulties as a result of the fact that his right to choose where he lives and works is not yet fully recognized.

Krugerrand | 02-07-2008 12:59 AM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Best of luck in your new home, DogFarm. Six months to prepare will go by pretty quickly, I bet! Hope you can post some pics of your new town or country once you've settled in. I'd still like to tour around Europe for vacation some day.

BeeYourself | 02-07-2008 01:21 AM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Bottom line, we are all human and all share the earth. We do need to step past nationalistic and patriotic lines to be friendly. After all they are just lines in the sand. But before you attack that, please know that I am an self proclaimed anarcho capitalist, not a globalist. I love my country for its people. I wish you well DogFarm. I will probably be nearby within 5 years. The 10% of the current existing disenfranchised need to spread the love around the planet.

AceNZ | 02-07-2008 01:31 AM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle @DogFarm -- Good luck! Like Aussie, I did the same thing about a year ago and moved to NZ. Best thing I ever did for myself and my family. It's amazing how different the US looks when you're not immersed in the soup. Quote:
Originally Posted by InfantryNCO (Post 949558) Damn good thing the founders weren't weak.
Yeah, following the path of the founders seems like good advice. Let's see, were the founders originally from North America? No, they lived in England, under an oppressive government. What did they do when things got bad? They got the hell out of there and went someplace where they had a chance to start over. Oh, and FWIW, it takes a helluva lot more strength to do that than it does to burrow-in and start shooting people when things go bad. History shows that governments are particularly good at suppressing their own people. Look at Germany during WW II. Some people successfully got out before it started, and saved their families and their wealth. Most weren't so lucky, and by the time they wanted to leave, they couldn't. Plus, if you truly object to the system, why would you want to stay and let the fruits of your labor feed the very system that's the problem?

oroplata | 02-07-2008 01:45 AM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Quote:
Originally Posted by InfantryNCO (Post 949596) I can't tolerate people who reap the benefits of this country and then bail when it is no longer convenient for them.
What are these benefits you speak of?

WAoG | 02-07-2008 02:16 AM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Quote:
Originally Posted by BeeYourself (Post 956778) Bottom line, we are all human and all share the earth. We do need to step past nationalistic and patriotic lines to be friendly. After all they are just lines in the sand. But before you attack that, please know that I am an self proclaimed anarcho capitalist, not a globalist. I love my country for its people. I wish you well DogFarm. I will probably be nearby within 5 years. The 10% of the current existing disenfranchised need to spread the love around the planet.
If you are a capitalist you are a follower of the Babylonian market system. This is one of satans systems just like demon-crazy (democracy) communism etc, etc, etc. Its all anti-God. God is a nationalist and a globalist as He want all to be in His Holy Nation. Matthew. 21:23 And when he (Jesus) was come into the temple, the chief priests (Jews) and the elders of the people (Jews) came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority? 21:42 Jesus saith unto them (the Jews), Did ye never read in the Scriptures, The Stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the Head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 21:43 Therefore say I unto you (the Jews), The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you (the Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof (the "10 lost tribes" - the "House of Israel"). 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this Stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

WAoG | 02-07-2008 02:43 AM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Quote:
Originally Posted by AceNZ (Post 956787) @DogFarm -- Good luck! Like Aussie, I did the same thing about a year ago and moved to NZ. Best thing I ever did for myself and my family. It's amazing how different the US looks when you're not immersed in the soup. Yeah, following the path of the founders seems like good advice. Let's see, were the founders originally from North America? No, they lived in England, under an oppressive government. What did they do when things got bad? They got the hell out of there and went someplace where they had a chance to start over. Oh, and FWIW, it takes a helluva lot more strength to do that than it does to burrow-in and start shooting people when things go bad. History shows that governments are particularly good at suppressing their own people. Look at Germany during WW II. Some people successfully got out before it started, and saved their families and their wealth. Most weren't so lucky, and by the time they wanted to leave, they couldn't. Plus, if you truly object to the system, why would you want to stay and let the fruits of your labor feed the very system that's the problem?
Please Stop bragging about taking the cowards way out. You can no longer run and hide. Satan's system will destroy you no matter were you go to hide in fear. Snakes slivered away out of Germany and put their decedents right in the fry pan. More than likely they were and our satans children to this day. They should have right then and there fought like men and stamped out this evil that enslaves the world. Cowards everyone of them that ran and hid. Running got them nothing if they opposed this evil in their new country ask Wilhelm Reich well you can't as they murdered him. If you stood with this evil you have done well for yourself and family but your day is coming. No mater what they tell you, you can't hide from God.

Ulysses | 02-07-2008 02:48 AM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Quote:
Originally Posted by BeeYourself (Post 956778) Bottom line, we are all human and all share the earth. We do need to step past nationalistic and patriotic lines to be friendly. After all they are just lines in the sand. But before you attack that, please know that I am an self proclaimed anarcho capitalist, not a globalist. I love my country for its people. I wish you well DogFarm. I will probably be nearby within 5 years. The 10% of the current existing disenfranchised need to spread the love around the planet.
Good post! Quote:
Originally Posted by AceNZ (Post 956787) @DogFarm -- Good luck! Like Aussie, I did the same thing about a year ago and moved to NZ. Best thing I ever did for myself and my family. It's amazing how different the US looks when you're not immersed in the soup. Yeah, following the path of the founders seems like good advice. Let's see, were the founders originally from North America? No, they lived in England, under an oppressive government. What did they do when things got bad? They got the hell out of there and went someplace where they had a chance to start over. Oh, and FWIW, it takes a helluva lot more strength to do that than it does to burrow-in and start shooting people when things go bad. History shows that governments are particularly good at suppressing their own people. Look at Germany during WW II. Some people successfully got out before it started, and saved their families and their wealth. Most weren't so lucky, and by the time they wanted to leave, they couldn't. Plus, if you truly object to the system, why would you want to stay and let the fruits of your labor feed the very system that's the problem?
Yes, when a country's economy goes down the tubes socialism becomes popular. But socialism require gov't control of the economy and of production and consumption. This eventually leads to gov't controlling the population, can't have unplanned growth or shrinkage, so you can't just let people leave when they want. Oh, how convenient the wall at the border might be. Quote:
Originally Posted by WAoG (Post 956811) If you are a capitalist you are a follower of the Babylonian market system. This is one of satans systems just like demon-crazy (democracy) communism etc, etc, etc. Its all anti-God. God is a nationalist and a globalist as He want all to be in His Holy Nation. Matthew. 21:23 And when he (Jesus) was come into the temple, the chief priests (Jews) and the elders of the people (Jews) came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority? 21:42 Jesus saith unto them (the Jews), Did ye never read in the Scriptures, The Stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the Head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 21:43 Therefore say I unto you (the Jews), The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you (the Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof (the "10 lost tribes" - the "House of Israel"). 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this Stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Capitalism is the only economic system we know that protects individual economic freedom. No amount of Bible quotin' constitutes a rational case against it.

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Hivemindgammahydra7 | 02-07-2008 03:48 AM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle 1 Attachment(s) Bye, DogFarm. Wish I could go with you... :bear_cry:

buff01 | 02-07-2008 04:13 AM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle DF, don't listen to fools like NCO and WaOG. They seem very bitter (as we all are) that the US is falling off of a cliff, but they are blaming the wrong party. It is the fault of the sheeple that this country is headed where it is, and if the sheeple are determined to let if fail, then you have no reason to be part of it. You know what is best for you and your wife. Staying somewhere that you don't want to be would be stupid if you have opportunities and a better chance of success elsewhere. Good luck. PS. this is the first time I've put two people on ignore just because of one thread...

brosil | 02-07-2008 09:01 AM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle The hardest decision I ever made was to sell my business. I got behind the power curve and it was sell or loose it all. I did it and bought more farm land. It was the right choice. Keep in touch and be ready to bail on a moments notice. You might not have 6 months.

budfox | 02-07-2008 09:17 AM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Here's a leg up to you!! All the best. Cheers:s9:

wallew | 02-07-2008 12:14 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle DF, Good luck. But allow me to give you a 'bone to chew on' as it were. What happened to all the Japanese in WWII? RIGHT NOW, Americans are NOT looked upon fondly in the EU. I've got a buddy of mine in Germany and he rarely goes out. Says it can be dangerous to your health. WHEN things go south, do you actually believe it will be an isolated event? I do not. I feel it will ripple around the world. IT WILL START HERE. SO THE USA WILL GET THE BLAME FOR THE WORLDS ILLS. SO WILL AMERICANS. ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE WITHIN ARMS LENGTH. Just something to chew on. Good luck.

DogFarm | 02-07-2008 12:28 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 957387) DF, Good luck. But allow me to give you a 'bone to chew on' as it were. What happened to all the Japanese in WWII? RIGHT NOW, Americans are NOT looked upon fondly in the EU. I've got a buddy of mine in Germany and he rarely goes out. Says it can be dangerous to your health. WHEN things go south, do you actually believe it will be an isolated event? I do not. I feel it will ripple around the world. IT WILL START HERE. SO THE USA WILL GET THE BLAME FOR THE WORLDS ILLS. SO WILL AMERICANS. ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE WITHIN ARMS LENGTH. Just something to chew on. Good luck.
DogFarm is part Canadian so I've got that going for me.

wallew | 02-07-2008 12:50 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle DF, Then DEFINITELY TELL EVERYONE YOU ARE CANADIAN over in the EU. It should help a little. Canadians are looked upon favorably from what my buddy says. But us American? PPHHHFFFTTT! Treated like trash. Hence the 'Ugly American'. Good luck DF, you gonna need it. I was reading a thread here in the General Discussion area. It says the NWO is already here and we just don't recognize it. I feel that Europe has led the charge into the 'brave new world order'. Good luck.

budfox | 02-07-2008 12:55 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Quote:
Originally Posted by DogFarm (Post 957409) DogFarm is part Canadian so I've got that going for me.
Yea, put that maple leaf on your luggage and you'll be fine. Boy, there's a lot of us Canadian Gimmers!

flash91 | 02-07-2008 01:05 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulysses (Post 949721) Only serfs should be tied to the land, not people.
Thats a bumper sticker candidate.

Codger | 02-07-2008 02:22 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle To paraphrase others "You're an evil loser for bailing out on us and I hate you, but can I buy your stuff?" :banghead: Christ...relax people. Good luck Dogfarm. My family and I have dreamed of taking a two year job overseas just for the experience of a new viewpoint. We will do it someday, just not yet. On a side note, if there is no work out there but jobs available with your father-in-law, don't be to humble to apply. Just put everything you have into that job and you'll make your whole family proud.

vida loco | 02-07-2008 02:37 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Way to go Dog F. You will have the greatest adventure. I have sailed the Carribean and fought off modern day pirates under moon lit skies. Time of my life.......and my new wifes at the time:D May the wind be at your back and the sun on your face Adios The Loco:smokin:

oroplata | 02-07-2008 03:29 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Quote:
Originally Posted by DogFarm (Post 957409) DogFarm is part Canadian so I've got that going for me.
If you haven't and can, get yourself a Canadian passport.

budfox | 02-07-2008 03:32 PM
Re: Pulling the Ejection Handle Hey DF, I'll take care of your PM's while you're away if you like.:wink:

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