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Kahlil Gibran | 08-22-2007 11:20 AM
Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Pit Bulls Break Into Home, Maul Woman Aug 21, 11:27 PM (ET) GIG HARBOR, Wash. (AP) - Two pit bull terriers broke into a house through a pet door Tuesday and attacked a woman in her bed, mauling her badly, a Pierce County sheriff's spokesman said. The woman was able to grab a gun and try to shoot the dogs, then break away from the attack and lock herself in her car, where she called 911, sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said. The woman, who was not immediately identified, was taken to a hospital in Tacoma, where she was listed in serious condition. Officers planned to talk to the dogs' owner. The pit bulls also killed a neighbor's Jack Russell terrier, which entered the house during the attack, Troyer said. "The thought is that the Jack Russell heard noise in the neighbor's house, came in and was attacked by the dogs," Troyer said. Firefighters responded first, locking the dogs in the house, treating the woman and calling for an ambulance. Officers "had to pepper spray and fight the dogs until they were detained. We almost had to shoot them on site," Troyer said. The dogs were taken to a Humane Society and will probably be destroyed, he said. It was not immediately known why the dogs entered the house, whether the woman had dogs of her own or what set off the attack.

randymatt | 08-22-2007 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Kahlil Gibran (Post 705580) [B][COLOR="Blue"]Officers "had to pepper spray and fight the dogs until they were detained. We almost had to shoot them on site," Troyer said.
If this was a human intruder they would have tasered, then shot em dead.

Darkside | 08-22-2007 11:30 AM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Yeah that popular SHTF sci-fi novel Lights Out had a scene where a pack of wild dogs attacked a lookout party. Hell just like any other animal they'll do anything once they are hungry enough edit: and what would happen if this was a bleeding heart liberal woman who opposed guns? wouldn't have made it out alive, that;s for sure...

gunner | 08-22-2007 11:33 AM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Let's see, the dogs entered territory that wasn't theirs, attacked the rightful owner and killed any ally that came to he aid of the indiginous party...who does this sound like ? :rolleyes_m:

Kahlil Gibran | 08-22-2007 11:54 AM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF 1 Attachment(s) Attachment 32189 Keep this in mind when planning for wtshtf.

Darkside | 08-22-2007 12:03 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Haha, all he needs is a leather jacket! :s9:

DogFarm | 08-22-2007 12:03 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Why must you hate dogs? :bear_angry:

REV127 | 08-22-2007 01:03 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF I smell a dogfight psychophant.

Silverstone | 08-22-2007 02:31 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by gasilat (Post 705656) my dog is on constant patrol looking for troublemaking pit bulls... go ahead and make his day...:D ....
Nice Rot, get 'em a nice wide spiked collar so the Pit can't get to his juggler, and he could win the fight; it's just pits jaws are no match for any other dog, once they get him around the throat, that's it, gotta protect the throat area to give him a fighting chance...I wouldn't bet my sheperds against a Pit Bill that meant business, I think my dogs would lose unless they got to their throat first.

dlm1968 | 08-22-2007 03:42 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Similar thing happend to my neighbor a few years back. Someone in the neighborhood had pitbulls that got loose. Two of them tore through the screen patio and attacked my neighbors dog and then left it for dead. They were not home at the time, lucky for them probably as they are not the type to have any means of self-defense.

Wyldwil | 08-22-2007 06:14 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF I wonder what my .454 casull would do to a Pit Bull. I wonder if Mike Vick knows?

hoarder | 08-22-2007 06:59 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Are there stray dogs in China? Are there stray dogs in Vietnam? WTSHTF, dogs will be a delicacy. If there are any around people will be baiting them.

DogFarm | 08-22-2007 07:00 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 706322) Are there stray dogs in China? Are there stray dogs in Vietnam? WTSHTF, dogs will be a delicacy. If there are any around people will be baiting them.
Why must you talk about eating dogs. :bear_angry: As Benjamin Franklin said (and I paraphrase), all a man needs is a ready supply of money, a dog, and a woman.

hoarder | 08-22-2007 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DogFarm (Post 706334) Why must you talk about eating dogs. :bear_angry: As Benjamin Franklin said (and I paraphrase), all a man needs is a ready supply of money, a dog, and a woman.
I did not mean to offend. I cried when I buried my last one. I love dogs. GIM is a place for cold hard realities, or opinions of it. WTSHTF, delicate sensibilities will not be an asset. Guarding your pets from hungry people can become reality real quick if there is a fuel shortage or power outage. Best to ponder these scenarios today than be caught off guard when it happens.....at your dogs expense.

Maddie | 08-22-2007 07:10 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Every dog problem we've had in our neighborhood, including a nearly fatal Pit Bull attack on a woman, stemmed from loose dogs. Problem dogs through the years have included the 3 Pit Bulls mentioned above (allowed to roam at night as a pack), a Dobermen that I nearly had to shoot one day when it started stalking my sister with it's hackles raised, a territorial Rottweiler that sometimes was let loose by its owner's son's idiot friends, a territorial black lab that attacked 3 people (including me, the next-door neighbor), and a mean-as-a-snake Standard Poodle. It's rather surrealistic to be menaced by a large poodle, but don't let the froofy haircuts fool you. They have fangs and attitude just like any other dog! A neighborhood isn't 40 acres out in the country. People have got to understand that loose dogs and yard dogs, especially chained dogs, can become dangerous animals, regardless of breed, though obviously, a stronger dog can do more damage. By the way, both my Siberian Husky and a Basenji I had have gotten the better of Pit Bulls, though I had to end the fights. A fast dog that avoids letting a Pit latch onto it stands a good chance of winning a few rounds with a Pit Bull. The problem, of course, is that Pits and other fighting dogs won't give up, despite fatigue and/or injury.

mtnman | 08-22-2007 07:15 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 706338) I did not mean to offend. I cried when I buried my last one. I love dogs. GIM is a place for cold hard realities, or opinions of it. WTSHTF, delicate sensibilities will not be an asset. Guarding your pets from hungry people can become reality real quick if there is a fuel shortage or power outage. Best to ponder these scenarios today than be caught off guard when it happens.....at your dogs expense.
WTSHTF and food is gone there will be no pet dogs, cats, rabbits or snakes. Anything living will be looked at as food, even people. Not something I am looking forward to seeing!

eyeofliberty | 08-22-2007 07:18 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF 1 Attachment(s) Cure for pit bulls. :D:D:D

electric-amish | 08-22-2007 09:52 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 706322) Are there stray dogs in China? Are there stray dogs in Vietnam? WTSHTF, dogs will be a delicacy. If there are any around people will be baiting them.
Sad story I think Hoarder may have a point in a way. E-A

Kahlil Gibran | 08-22-2007 09:56 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 706322) Are there stray dogs in China? Are there stray dogs in Vietnam? WTSHTF, dogs will be a delicacy. If there are any around people will be baiting them.
Attachment 32206 Bait

electric-amish | 08-22-2007 10:00 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF These Jack Russel Terriers are something else. That dang dog came to help her and got killed. I have one and they are just that fearless in the right situation. "-----The pit bulls also killed a neighbor's Jack Russell terrier, which entered the house during the attack, Troyer said.http://re3.mm-a4.yimg.com/image/2928500825 "The thought is that the Jack Russell heard noise in the neighbor's house, came in and was attacked by the dogs," Troyer said." Mine attacked 2 Huskies at the same time and was on her back in a Huskies mouth before I could save her. She came away with no respect for Huskies or other dogs. It will get her killed someday. E-A

BeeYourself | 08-22-2007 10:08 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF You all are too funny...:haha:

GoldWampum | 08-22-2007 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 705961) Another reason why it's wise to keep a really good knife on or near your body.
Good point.

erocktxmade | 08-23-2007 03:24 AM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddie (Post 706342) Every dog problem we've had in our neighborhood, including a nearly fatal Pit Bull attack on a woman, stemmed from loose dogs. Problem dogs through the years have included the 3 Pit Bulls mentioned above (allowed to roam at night as a pack), a Dobermen that I nearly had to shoot one day when it started stalking my sister with it's hackles raised, a territorial Rottweiler that sometimes was let loose by its owner's son's idiot friends, a territorial black lab that attacked 3 people (including me, the next-door neighbor), and a mean-as-a-snake Standard Poodle. It's rather surrealistic to be menaced by a large poodle, but don't let the froofy haircuts fool you. They have fangs and attitude just like any other dog! A neighborhood isn't 40 acres out in the country. People have got to understand that loose dogs and yard dogs, especially chained dogs, can become dangerous animals, regardless of breed, though obviously, a stronger dog can do more damage. By the way, both my Siberian Husky and a Basenji I had have gotten the better of Pit Bulls, though I had to end the fights. A fast dog that avoids letting a Pit latch onto it stands a good chance of winning a few rounds with a Pit Bull. The problem, of course, is that Pits and other fighting dogs won't give up, despite fatigue and/or injury.
Now you see the above post is a good post and I am very surprised to be the first to touch on the root of this problem. The MSM, hello to all the people who KNOW the MSM is shoving shit down your throats. Do you think for one SECOND if these were Goldens or Poodles who did this there would have even been a story? NOPE! It MAY have been on page 8 and probably wouldn't have even mentioned the breed of dog that did it. But since it was a Pitbull and the breed is in a fad state right now, they slather it all over TV and the papers pumping fear on these highly intelligent dogs. The root of the problem lies in the owners. These dogs are BRED to be dog aggressive (DA). So you get these owners who get these dogs and don't give 2 shits about them and let them run free and probably praise the dog for showing signs of aggression and what do you get? Now, Pitbulls that show human aggression (HA) should immediately be put down. But I would like to know as Paul Harvey says, "The rest of the story...." But for anyone buying this crap about Pitbulls being vicious is totally a victim of the MSM and their efforts. Shame on you. The dog in my avatar and the one in the photo is mine and he is AWESOME. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...e/IMG_0953.jpg

Maddie | 08-23-2007 04:35 AM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF He's a handsome boy, erocktxmade! I lost my Pittie to bone cancer last January. I still miss her badly. If two Goldens had sneaked in through the doggie door and attacked the woman, the newspaper would have called them "Pit Bull mixes."

RiverRat | 08-23-2007 05:58 AM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF :rolleyes_m: I have been attacked numerous times by dogs. It's funny that people who have never been bitten by a large dog have no concept of how much injury a dog can inflict. You can warn them,but most ignore you as overreacting and paranoid. Cool...Impress me...walk over there and whack that German Shepard a good one :>) A friend's child was mangled and left for dead by their pet Lab a few years back. I warned them never to trust a Lab...they didn't listen. I owned a Pit Bull once and they are definitely territorial and a danger to any person not in their immediate family pack. Never had a problem with mine roaming and he wasn't fixed. Any breed can be a danger without warning,especially the big breeds. Be prepared...I always carry a knife...you never know. :rolleyes_m::rolleyes_m::rolleyes_m:

ghettogoulash | 08-23-2007 06:46 AM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Interesting. Last night in Old Town (Chicago), I witnessed a couple sitting at a sidewalk cafe celebrating the birthday of their puppies, whom they wheeled up to the table in a double-wide baby stroller. There were little doggie birthday hats and sprinkles and pictures taken by the waiter, or passersby... I don't remember. Looking for some middle-ground? It's all relative. Still, in this particular case, I want to puke. That's kid stuff. I am most fascinated by the dog-like attributes a small mind gives to humans, you and me. For example, Italian fervor. Irish feistiness. Middle East fanatic. It's something in the blood. Wake up, people.

Baphomet Jones | 08-23-2007 07:34 AM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF I can see it now... 2008, President Hillary Clinton signs the Assault Dog Ban into law :rolleyes_m:

Silverstone | 08-23-2007 02:09 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder (Post 706338) I did not mean to offend. I cried when I buried my last one. I love dogs. GIM is a place for cold hard realities, or opinions of it. WTSHTF, delicate sensibilities will not be an asset. Guarding your pets from hungry people can become reality real quick if there is a fuel shortage or power outage. Best to ponder these scenarios today than be caught off guard when it happens.....at your dogs expense.
I love animals too, however, if I needed to kill one to protect mine, I would, especially a vicious pit bull.

Silverstone | 08-23-2007 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by erocktxmade (Post 706774) Now you see the above post is a good post and I am very surprised to be the first to touch on the root of this problem. The MSM, hello to all the people who KNOW the MSM is shoving shit down your throats. Do you think for one SECOND if these were Goldens or Poodles who did this there would have even been a story? NOPE! It MAY have been on page 8 and probably wouldn't have even mentioned the breed of dog that did it. But since it was a Pitbull and the breed is in a fad state right now, they slather it all over TV and the papers pumping fear on these highly intelligent dogs. The root of the problem lies in the owners. These dogs are BRED to be dog aggressive (DA). So you get these owners who get these dogs and don't give 2 shits about them and let them run free and probably praise the dog for showing signs of aggression and what do you get? Now, Pitbulls that show human aggression (HA) should immediately be put down. But I would like to know as Paul Harvey says, "The rest of the story...." But for anyone buying this crap about Pitbulls being vicious is totally a victim of the MSM and their efforts. Shame on you. The dog in my avatar and the one in the photo is mine and he is AWESOME. http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...e/IMG_0953.jpg
I've known quite a few pits that were sweethearts, yes it is a lot of hype and breeding...what they are bred for, the traits intensified, a good pit, is still a good pit, like any other potentially aggressive breed, the one trait they have though that would always be on my mind is the pressure per pound they can pack through their jaws, all animals will instinctively, no matter what a sweetheart they are become protective under different circumstances...my only issue with Pits is the power in their jaws...and the fact if an aggressive one attacked my animals, I know they'd lose. I'm very wary of them, even the sweet ones, they are powerful animals if you have no self-defense. (Sheperds, Rotts, Dobbs, etc. are no exception, they too have the distinction of being vicious (hype) when in fact they are simply a protective breed and herding (protection again) that have been misbred and mishandled.)) It takes a very firm/fair/kind/consistent person to handle the larger potentially aggressive breeds and remain alpha of the pack, no matter how mild-mannered they are, these animals are smart and will take control of a submissive human. *They will run the household and become more protective with a submissive human as the human has given up their leadership. When I encounter these animals, the first thing I do is see if the owner has a handle on them, and figure out who is the leader...watch myself and keep an eye on the dog until I'm convinced it's ok to let my guard down. P.S. He's gorgeous!

DogFarm | 08-23-2007 03:39 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF That's one good looking Bitch!

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J.D.Rockinfeller | 08-23-2007 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 706353) Cure for pit bulls. :D:D:D
They are seen near my house ...rarely but there there..the baddest of the bad imho. (they just had to pull a few bears off of broadway,the main drag) but i digress. Just make the OWNER liable for the punishment as if he/she themselves commited the crime. Your dog bites ...YOU do to jail for assault! Your dog kills, firing sqad..(in utah anyway)...

RiverRat | 08-23-2007 11:37 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF :rolleyes_m: It's all about control. My Pit Bull was not the Alpha...I was. Same for Rotts,Shepards,Great Danes,etc. Pit Bulls and Rotts are the most protective breeds I have ever owned. Any threat to one of their immediate pack ( family) and they go postal. Any one who has owned one knows what I'm talking about. Even as pups they know their owners/family and anybody and anything that gets too close will be attacked. Don't underestimate how strong this instinct is...unless you're prepared to deal with breeds that only respect an invincible Alpha leader you need a Pug or a Maltese... :>) :D:D:D

erocktxmade | 08-24-2007 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RiverRat (Post 708032) :rolleyes_m: It's all about control. My Pit Bull was not the Alpha...I was. Same for Rotts,Shepards,Great Danes,etc. Pit Bulls and Rotts are the most protective breeds I have ever owned. Any threat to one of their immediate pack ( family) and they go postal. Any one who has owned one knows what I'm talking about. Even as pups they know their owners/family and anybody and anything that gets too close will be attacked. Don't underestimate how strong this instinct is...unless you're prepared to deal with breeds that only respect an invincible Alpha leader you need a Pug or a Maltese... :>) :D:D:D
Good posting. Well, all I can say is that Pitbulls were not bred to be guard dogs. Yes, if you are in your home or you get attacked they will protect you. A good thing! But Rotts and GSDs and Dobermans would be my 1st choice in a guard dog, not an APBT. Now if I were a POS thug NFL player and wanted to wager money on dog fighting, then an APBT would be my 1st choice. There is simply no other dog that is a threat to them, they simply tolerate pain and will not give up, in history, the ones that gave up or bit the handlers were culled or fixed. BUT thanks to the MSM, I can simply walk down the street and NOone will mess with me. I couldn't tell you how many times the craziest people CLEAR the path when I am walking, but dogs don't pull out AKs and fire. People do, but nonetheless, my dog scares people more than I ever would or could. So in a SHTF scenario, I am willing to bet you will be passed up by people knowing you have a house full of Pitties. But yes, you must show them who is boss, or they will dominate you. By demanding to be petted and demanding attention. Growling at you when they are eating or have a bone and you try to take it away. Bolting out doors before you, to them that is saying they are leading the way. Start young and you will have no problems. But please, for the breed's sake, don't fall for the MSM crap! Pits are just the only breed they report on. Remember in the 80s the Rottweiler was in a fad state and that's all you would hear about. Now its the Pitbull. What breed will be next? Dogo Argentino I think. So the MSM reports these stories and they sell papers. Like the band AC/DC said, "Peace sells....but who's buying?"

Silverstone | 08-24-2007 01:50 AM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverRat (Post 708032) :rolleyes_m: It's all about control. My Pit Bull was not the Alpha...I was. Same for Rotts,Shepards,Great Danes,etc. Pit Bulls and Rotts are the most protective breeds I have ever owned. Any threat to one of their immediate pack ( family) and they go postal. Any one who has owned one knows what I'm talking about. Even as pups they know their owners/family and anybody and anything that gets too close will be attacked. Don't underestimate how strong this instinct is...unless you're prepared to deal with breeds that only respect an invincible Alpha leader you need a Pug or a Maltese... :>) :D:D:D
I know. My male GSD goes into instinctive, immediate guard mode with adult strangers, and he was well socialized as a pup, young adult, and has never been abused; he just doesn't take to strangers right off the bat, it's by invite only with him.

Maddie | 08-24-2007 04:48 AM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverRat (Post 708032) Pit Bulls and Rotts are the most protective breeds I have ever owned. Any threat to one of their immediate pack ( family) and they go postal. Any one who has owned one knows what I'm talking about. Even as pups they know their owners/family and anybody and anything that gets too close will be attacked.
I've had Pits for many years and also been involved in Pit Bull rescue, keeping foster dogs. That's not my experience at all. In fact, I've never had a Pit Bull that was particularly protective. I did have one Pittie who was a serious alarm-barker. The way she'd carry on, you'd be sure she was going to rip your throat out if you walked through the door. The mailmen would never bring a delivery to the door for fear of her! Once someone actually did come through the door, though, she was all "Pet me! Pet me!" Once two guys actually did walk into my house. I came out of my bedroom to find a strange guy standing in my living room and another one just coming in the door. My Pit Bull and Pit Bull/Boxer mix fawning over the first guy for attention, and my Husky was bolting for the open door. (For the record, I scared them off myself when I cussed them out for letting my dog out, then bolted after the Husky!) The most protective dogs I've ever had were a male German Short-Haired Pointer and a male Yellow Lab/St. Bernard mix. Go figure. Individual traits can vary greatly from dog to dog, but if you want to match a dog to a specific job, your best chance would be to select a breed that was bred for the job and which is compatible with your lifestyle and personality.

Mone | 08-24-2007 09:11 AM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF I had a blue heeler/border collie cross... the heeler= an "attitude" and border collie= intelligence. This dog had a black thundercloud (complete w/ lightning) over it's head, but was fiercely loyal to me. The dog looked like a short haired border collie but was a ball of muscle, not thin. Anyhoo... I had a pit bull come at me once when my dog was around. The pit bull never reached me and got the living crap beat out of it. Bad enough that I cringe as I write this.

AMforPM | 08-25-2007 04:19 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF Thank heaven the neighbor who used to let his pit bulls run loose moved. Before he did, they slunk away from our german wire haired pointer. But then she eats pork ribs like fritos. I'm sure she could bite through their spines. Jaw like a terrier, but bigger, and fast and agile. And bred for 'sharo game' meaning she fights on through pain too. I don't understand why her teeth don't break. She eats up bones as big as human arm bones really fast. (She loves BBQ leftovers.) She barks but has never offered to bite humans, which I approve. I think biting should be reserved for physical attack on a pack member. Because she decides who is an intruder by vibe some meter reader scared of dogs could get bitten if she did not stick to barking for bad vibes from someone entering the yard. She is really good at the vibe reading too.

Enlightened | 08-30-2007 03:54 PM
Re: Beware of Dogs WTSHTF I do not like pit bulls, they are a threat to me and my family and livestock. http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar..._porcupine.htm

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