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Kahlil Gibran | 08-04-2007 11:52 AM
SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM :smokin: don't forget that bazooka for your Retreat!

Lackluster | 08-04-2007 11:54 AM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Like GTA? --

Kahlil Gibran | 08-04-2007 12:14 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Quote:
Originally Posted by Lackluster (Post 685094) Like GTA? --
http://goldismoney.info/forums/showp...3&postcount=28 :smokin: Please stop PMing me. I really don't want to "meet for coffee" and explore your dreams about me.

REV127 | 08-04-2007 12:16 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Oh no! An r/c car with a gun! Surrender immediately! Pee your pants just thinking about it! Well, maybe not. The only new capability here is the robot gets shot, not the operator. Plus they have terrain handling, agility and perception problems... all while having no shortage of vulnerable components. This is one to file alongside barf rays and teargas. New doesn't = invincible.

Akula | 08-04-2007 12:35 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 685119) I don't know why you point to the war spending. Even if we didn't have any of these war going on, you think they would be spending money fixing bridges? They would spend it on something else.
??????:confused_ma:

platinumdude | 08-04-2007 12:49 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Oops, wrong thread :embarasse

Kahlil Gibran | 08-04-2007 01:20 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Israel deploys robo-snipers on Gaza border By Lewis Page - Published Tuesday 5th June 2007 12:07 GMT Israel has begun deploying stationary robot gun-and-sensor installations along its borders with the Gaza Strip, according to reports. Both Jane's Defence Weekly and Defence News reported last week that the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) have begun deploying automated gun stations in pillboxes along the Gaza border. The robot systems are said to mount cal-fifty (12.7mm) machine guns, protected by "armoured folding shields" until ready to fire. Defence News says the auto-gun network is developed by Rafael, the Israeli state weapons bureau. Given the reported calibre of the weaponry, this suggests that the gun-bots in use are the Mini-Samson type, normally used as a remote-controlled gun turret on light fighting vehicles so as to avoid a gunner having to poke his torso up out of a hatch (top gunner is one of the most dangerous jobs in counter-insurgency vehicle patrolling.) In this case, the automatic guns and their long range electro-optical sensors will be tied in by optic fibre to a command network which will also be able to draw information from existing ground sensors, manned aircraft, and overhead drones. According to Defence News Tel Aviv correspondent Barbara Opall-Rome, "each machine gun-mounted station serves as a type of robotic sniper, capable of enforcing a nearly 1,500-meter-deep no-go zone". "The IDF's Southern Command is also considering adding Gill/Spike anti-tank missiles to extend the no-go zones to several kilometers, defense and industry sources here said." The integrated robo-sniper network has reportedly been dubbed "See-Shoot" by the IDF, suggesting that asking questions isn't on the priority list. "Nobody has any business approaching our border fence," an unnamed Israeli official told Opall-Rome. "It's well-understood that this area is off-limits..." All in all, the Israeli gun-bot force seems distinctly more hardcore than the South Korean one. Not only do the IDF robo-snipers pack a more arse-kicking gun, their automatic armour-shuttered pillboxes seem a lot harder to circumvent than the Korean SGR-A1's "anti-theft alarm". What's more, there seems to be a future plan for the Israeli gun systems to become true killer robots rather than just remote hardened weapon stations. "At least in the initial phases of deployment, we're going to have to keep the man in the loop," an unnamed IDF commander reportedly told Opall-Rome. "We don't want to risk making tragic and politically costly mistakes with such a lethal system."

REV127 | 08-04-2007 01:28 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM If only our borders were half as secure. I'd be fine with a remote sentry unit firing those paintballs filled with pepperspray.

Akula | 08-04-2007 01:30 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Quote:
Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 685163) If only our borders were half as secure. I'd be fine with a remote sentry unit firing those paintballs filled with pepperspray.
Don't worry we are in the process of building a fence, our borders are very secure!!! :sarc:

Kahlil Gibran | 08-04-2007 01:51 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Quote:
Originally Posted by Akula (Post 685164) Don't worry we are in the process of building a fence, our borders are very secure!!! :sarc:
Of the 800 miles authorized by Congress we now have 13 miles actually built today. :banghead:<-- 13 miles of fence

gunner | 08-04-2007 02:02 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Would love to see the command and control signal get hacked and overridden - turn these things against them. These new toys wouldn't stand a chance against a .50 cal not to mention a 2 foot deep trench with a protruding lip, or an unseen tiger pit. The real story here is "look at which weapons contractor just got millions of your tax dollars to build high tech toys. The whole "a soldier's life is so precious to us" is such a crock of shit - considering how soldiers are treated before, during and after their service to the country. We can't afford body armor, but we managed to find the money for these overpriced machines....what a f'n joke !!

thorgrim | 08-04-2007 03:54 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM That was a pretty one sided portrayal of those swords. No limitations were talked about and they were shooting at stationary targets on a range instead of moving targets on a real battlefield. They have them find a "sniper" behind a mound of dirt in an open field that isn't allowed to move or shoot. I would like to see them try that demonstration in heavy bush. Just a big propaganda piece.

Kahlil Gibran | 08-04-2007 04:45 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Quote:
Originally Posted by thorgrim (Post 685257) That was a pretty one sided portrayal of those swords. No limitations were talked about and they were shooting at stationary targets on a range instead of moving targets on a real battlefield. They have them find a "sniper" behind a mound of dirt in an open field that isn't allowed to move or shoot. I would like to see them try that demonstration in heavy bush. Just a big propaganda piece.
These robots are designed only for an urban assault on people's homes, apartment buildings, and neighborhoods.

GoldWampum | 08-04-2007 05:10 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Remote control killing machines. Wonderful approach to neutralizing over-population, eh?

thorgrim | 08-04-2007 05:17 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Quote:
Originally Posted by Kahlil Gibran (Post 685294) These robots are designed only for an urban assault on people's homes, apartment buildings, and neighborhoods.
That was exactly my point though. That is a much different environment than that open field they used to show these things in action. An open field where there is virtually no cover or place to hide and where their optics would give them a good advantage. Compare that to an urban environment. Sure they showed one clip of one going up some stairs. How are these things going to open doors? Or climb over rubble from a bombed out building. Those things aren't that quiet like they said they make a mechanical hum. What happens if you attacked from above or behind quickly? It didn't look like the gun turret was very fast. Here is another related article. Funny they didn't mention any transmission problems or a chance the robot could go crazy in the video. Like I said propaganda. Quote:
Originally Posted by FoundingFathers (Post 685281) Can anybody say ROBO-COP?? http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/0...wnational.html U.S. Robots Deployed for Ground Combat in Iraq August 3rd, 2007 Robots have been roaming the streets of Iraq, since shortly after the war began. Now, for the first time — the first time in any warzone — the machines are carrying guns. After years of development, three “special weapons observation remote reconnaissance direct action system” (SWORDS) robots have deployed to Iraq, armed with M249 machine guns. The ‘bots “haven’t fired their weapons yet,” Michael Zecca, the SWORDS program manager, tells DANGER ROOM. “But that’ll be happening soon.” The SWORDS — modified versions of bomb-disposal robots used throughout Iraq — were first declared ready for duty back in 2004. But concerns about safety kept the robots from being sent over the the battlefield. The machines had a tendency to spin out of control from time to time. That was an annoyance during ordnance-handling missions; no one wanted to contemplate the consequences during a firefight. So the radio-controlled robots were retooled, for greater safety. In the past, weak signals would keep the robots from getting orders for as much as eight seconds — a significant lag during combat. Now, the SWORDS won’t act on a command, unless it’s received right away. A three-part arming process — with both physical and electronic safeties — is required before firing. Most importantly, the machines now come with kill switches, in case there’s any odd behavior. “So now we can kill the unit if it goes crazy,” Zecca says.

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 08-04-2007 05:29 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM 1 Attachment(s) Fortunately, I have anticipated this development, and have prepared for it accordingly.

Baphomet Jones | 08-04-2007 06:14 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Quote:
Originally Posted by Hivemindgammahydra7 (Post 685316) Fortunately, I have anticipated this development, and have prepared for it accordingly.
Is there a smiley face with it's jaw dropped off the page? Because thats the only thing I can really say in response to that image. You really own one?

Floyd | 08-04-2007 07:52 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Hive what is that weapon ? Model make calibre please ?

Abouthadit | 08-04-2007 08:06 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM And when the machines became self aware they began to eradicate the humans. BWAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAA :shocked_ma:

Baphomet Jones | 08-04-2007 08:27 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Quote:
Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 685427) Hive what is that weapon ? Model make calibre please ?
I think its an SVT-40 in 7.62x54R, the last time I saw one as nice as that one was on Gunbroker, bidding started at $1,700 or so. Very nice :D

REV127 | 08-04-2007 09:41 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM You can find all sorts of wonderful specialty ammo for the 7.62x54r. This includes AP, incendiary and even explosive ammo. Romanian PSL's are hitting the market again and offer a lower cost alternative to the SVT-40 but keep in mind that the PSL's and Druganov's are designed for light ball ammo. Just as well, Czech silver tip steel core, though not "true" AP, is fairly readily available and fits this criteria. Either way 7.62x54r is no joke. Some big fmj from my Mosin smokepoles will disable any weapon, sensor and commo on those r/c cars. Best news is 7.62x54r isn't classified as pistol ammo(unlike some other .30cal rifle cartridges, yes the BATF sucks) and it is a round still in active service. This means interesting lots of new surplus ammo should continue to come available as long as we can prevent our politicians from cutting off our supply.

Abouthadit | 08-04-2007 09:57 PM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Hey Rev: PSL? I have a Mosin with a fair stock of 54r but would like to pick up a semiauto. Any recommendations?

Horn | 08-04-2007 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Fiat Mutiny (Post 685493) Anyone up for some cocktails? http://www.commondreams.org/headline...es/0419-01.jpg Would make pretty fireworks!
Where's my EMP grenade?

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 08-05-2007 01:47 AM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 685361) Is there a smiley face with it's jaw dropped off the page? Because thats the only thing I can really say in response to that image. You really own one?
Indeed I do, as well as plenty of Soviet '80's-era 7.62 x 54R surplus to feed it. The Russian steel core stuff I like best is reviewed here: http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo001.htm Until last week it was available by the 880-round crate here: http://ammunitiontogo.com/catalog/in...p?cPath=24_101

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 08-05-2007 01:50 AM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Quote:
Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 685427) Hive what is that weapon ? Model make calibre please ?
Soviet SVT-40 semi-automatic rifle, this one manufactured at Izhevsk, USSR, in 1941. Caliber is 7.62 x 54R. I highly recommend it.

Horn | 08-05-2007 03:57 AM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Has the 54R ammo always been that cheap, or did North Korea just sell off their stock? My buddy just picked up an old Nagant, I think it was a 36'.

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 08-05-2007 11:13 AM
Re: SOON COMING TO YOUR LOCAL SWAT TEAM Actually the ammo used to be cheaper still. But like everything else, prices for it are going up.

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