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shades2 | 07-04-2007 01:05 PM
Great Glock 17 Animation Found this. http://www.sniperworld.com/glock/ You can click and make parts transparent or cut-away. Shows you how the mechanisms and action work. Really interesting.

Mike_Templar | 07-04-2007 01:24 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Glocks are a fantastic gun, probably the Toyota of hand guns. However, as for me, I'm not sticking anything in my pants that doesn't have multiple safeties! I carry a 1911 (queue up the boos and hisses) because of the palm safety and manual safety. Much safer. I know guns are dangerous, guns are meant to kill, why have a 'safety' on guns and all those other arguments, but I don't care. I owned a Glock 17 for years, lovely gun, but now I carry a Springfield Champion and I also own a Springfield TRP. It would be nice if Glock would incorporate the palm safety at least, like the XD guns did. To keep from hijacking the thread......AWESOME VID!

Kahlil Gibran | 07-04-2007 01:33 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Click on the Parts at the bottom then slide your mouse over each Parts name. The animation changes illustrating that part. Very cool graphics! :congrats: very cool post shades2

<SLV> | 07-04-2007 01:38 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Why is it that the slide doesn't begin to tavel back until the bullet has left the barrel? I would assume that the force of ignition would cause a simultaneous movement.

Mike_Templar | 07-04-2007 01:48 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Agreed, SLV, I chalk this up to 'it's just an animated video' even though it is very accurate looking to me.

shades2 | 07-04-2007 01:51 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_Templar (Post 653996) Glocks are a fantastic gun, probably the Toyota of hand guns. However, as for me, I'm not sticking anything in my pants that doesn't have multiple safeties! I carry a 1911 (queue up the boos and hisses) because of the palm safety and manual safety. Much safer. I know guns are dangerous, guns are meant to kill, why have a 'safety' on guns and all those other arguments, but I don't care. I owned a Glock 17 for years, lovely gun, but now I carry a Springfield Champion and I also own a Springfield TRP. It would be nice if Glock would incorporate the palm safety at least, like the XD guns did. To keep from hijacking the thread......AWESOME VID!
You do know your avatar is of Alistair Crowley right? :) Yeah the Glocks have massive popularity. They are however not without their quirks, as you probably well know... I guess you could carry them without a round in the chamber, requiring you to action the slide as a form of safety. The Glock was of course designed as a revolver replacement for a lot of services, point, pull the trigger hard and it goes bang, just like a double-action revolver (which generally don't have safeties anyway). With a proper holster, accidentally pulling the trigger should be just about a physical impossibility. If you do manage it, then it is going to be due to your own poor weapon handling skills. Of course you should only carry what you're comfortable with, if it's a 1911 in .45, well .. then it's your gun! One of the things which throws most people for a loop initially is the trigger on the Glock, to be accurate you have to know how to use it right. Triggers on many of the other guns (which have a safety) are somewhat more predictable in terms of breaking point. Pluses: Amazingly accurate. The polygonal rifling in the Glock barrel really seems to help projectile accuracy immensely. I've shot some impressive groupings with this thing. Nice to hold. Frame is made of light polymer, so it's not a chore to hold on target or carry around. I can imagine people who have to carry one around all day, love the polymer things. Manufactured to a very high standard using quality materials. The longer barrel versions achieve some impressive projectile speeds. No hammer to worry about, can't get snagged on anything. All Glocks are very similar in design, so it's easy to transition to different Glocks. Simple, effective design overall. Easy to strip down and clean. Minuses: Has a rare tendency to not always go back into battery properly, this seems particularly prevalent with reloaded brass and a gun that's not clean. A sharp rap on the slide usually fixes this. Feed ramp has a tendency to sometimes stop lead rounds if dirty. Of course Glock DO say not to shoot lead, but shooting coated rounds in my experience has been fine. Keeping the feed ramp clean is extremely important. Trigger certainly takes some getting used to, and you will pull a lot of rounds to begin with. Once you discover the Glock trigger reset, life becomes more fun. Mags are not keen on ejecting on a new gun, as they get a bit older, they will drop properly. Mag release is not too helpful, but prevents you accidentally dropping a mag, and is easily replaced. Standard sights are often cheap polymer sights. Functional and allow accuracy but not wonderful to use. Most of the minuses are just little gripes really, and easily overcome.

<SLV> | 07-04-2007 01:55 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation The Subway incident shooter (CCW carrier) would not have been able to out-gun the punks if he had to rack the slide before shooting. I think it is wise to carry a double action with one in the chamber - not safety. Just carry safely in a quality holster, and practice safe drawing.

GoldWampum | 07-04-2007 02:33 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_Templar (Post 653996) Glocks are a fantastic gun, probably the Toyota of hand guns. However, as for me, I'm not sticking anything in my pants that doesn't have multiple safeties! I carry a 1911 (queue up the boos and hisses) because of the palm safety and manual safety. Much safer. I know guns are dangerous, guns are meant to kill, why have a 'safety' on guns and all those other arguments, but I don't care. I owned a Glock 17 for years, lovely gun, but now I carry a Springfield Champion and I also own a Springfield TRP. It would be nice if Glock would incorporate the palm safety at least, like the XD guns did. To keep from hijacking the thread......AWESOME VID!
This is why I chose a Springfield XD-40. Same trigger safety, additional palm safety, visible tip on firing pin (see if it is cocked), visible chamber loaded pin. Much safer to handle IMO and try as I might with cheap ammo and accumulation, I just haven't been able to make it jam. It shoots every bit as well, and the grip is more comfortable in my hand. Glad I took a look before I bought the Glock. Just my opinion. And the video is great.

Wyldwil | 07-04-2007 02:34 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 654029) The Subway incident shooter (CCW carrier) would not have been able to out-gun the punks if he had to rack the slide before shooting. I think it is wise to carry a double action with one in the chamber - not safety. Just carry safely in a quality holster, and practice safe drawing.
That's how I carry.... And, that is one cool site...thanks.

platinumdude | 07-04-2007 03:03 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation I tried the high end springfield at the range, but it kept jamming on me. So I got the glock instead.

GoldWampum | 07-04-2007 03:26 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 654086) I tried the high end springfield at the range, but it kept jamming on me. So I got the glock instead.
Which did you try? I am not familiar with the "high end" model.

Mike_Templar | 07-04-2007 04:15 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 654086) I tried the high end springfield at the range, but it kept jamming on me. So I got the glock instead.
I only shoot 230gr. FMJ in mine, because that's what the 1911 was designed to shoot. A lot of jam stories are associated with hollow point ammunition. What were you shooting?

Mike_Templar | 07-04-2007 04:16 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 654027) You do know your avatar is of Alistair Crowley right? :)
Of course I do! :wink:

bl96S5eu | 07-04-2007 11:41 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation shades2, nice animation. Although this is more on an entertainment note than education I've always liked the Smith & Wesson M&P video.

bl96S5eu | 07-04-2007 11:46 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 654011) Why is it that the slide doesn't begin to tavel back until the bullet has left the barrel? I would assume that the force of ignition would cause a simultaneous movement.
Although obviously not a Glock <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/BNjMYlyV3sk"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/BNjMYlyV3sk" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

platinumdude | 07-05-2007 12:10 AM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_Templar (Post 654120) I only shoot 230gr. FMJ in mine, because that's what the 1911 was designed to shoot. A lot of jam stories are associated with hollow point ammunition. What were you shooting?
I will have to look up the model name again when I go back to the range. Its a 9mm, they are selling it for a little over $1k, where they are selling a glock 17/19 for around $580. I was shooting ball point fmj remanufactured ammo, I forget the brand name. The gun could of been dirty, but if that was the case, I wouldn't want that. It's also possible they over oiled it or something.

shades2 | 07-05-2007 05:10 AM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Quote:
Originally Posted by bl96S5eu (Post 654353) shades2, nice animation. Although this is more on an entertainment note than education I've always liked the Smith & Wesson M&P video.
Some interesting innovations there. The interchangeable grip, and the sear deactivation lever. Obviously trying to claw some market back from the Glocks. The lever doesn't really do much for me in a way though, as you should always have the mag out, slide back and locked, chamber open and clear before pulling the trigger in a safe direction prior to disassembly. If you can't handle that little process, you probably have no business owning a firearm like a Glock anyway. At first I was a little confronted by the idea of pulling the trigger to disassemble a firearm, but now I can see the sense in it. If somehow you do manage to screw up the disassembly procedure, you are going to fire the gun in a safe direction, rather than be cleaning it, and looking down the barrel at the time. You might look a fool, but you'll still be a live fool.

Streets Of Gold | 07-05-2007 10:00 AM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 654027) You do know your avatar is of Alistair Crowley right? :)
Some folks admire Satan worshipping pedaphiles. Birds of a feather.....?

Goldfinger | 07-05-2007 10:19 AM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation I had the same concern as some of you about carrying a Glock with a round chambered. In fact, I had my model 26 for several years before I started carrying it, just for that very reason. Like Shades said though, just get a good holster and it will never be a problem. I love packing my model 26 now and I know its ready to go should I ever need it. Thats the thing about Glocks, you know when the SHTF you can depend on it. There are definitely more accurate guns out there. There are better looking guns out there (I kinda even think Glocks are a bit ugly). There are definitely some guns with nicer options, but the problem is, many of those bells and whistles come at a price. The Glock is simple, which means there is less to go wrong. In all the years I've owned my Glocks, I can never remember having a single a ftf or jam. It feeds anything I put in them. I pull the trigger and I know its going to rock and roll, every single time. I can think of nothing more important if the SHTF. So, thats why I usually have a GLock tucked in my pants. Oh yeah, as practical as the Glocks are, the sights do suck. I highly recommend switching them out with a set of Trijicons or similar upgrade...

shades2 | 07-05-2007 11:36 AM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Meanwhile.. down on the farm... :) <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/lmXMnvm-sdE"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/lmXMnvm-sdE" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

shades2 | 07-05-2007 11:38 AM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Quote:
Originally Posted by Streets Of Gold (Post 654611) Some folks admire Satan worshipping pedaphiles. Birds of a feather.....?
Just a funny photo as far as I'm concerned. So Crowley helped set up Scientology did he?

Goldfinger | 07-05-2007 11:52 AM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 (Post 654693) Meanwhile.. down on the farm... :) <OBJECT height=350 width=425> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/lmXMnvm-sdE" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></OBJECT>
</P> I'd love to have a couple G18's

shades2 | 07-05-2007 12:01 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldfinger (Post 654705) I'd love to have a couple G18's
You can convert most Glocks to select-fire though apparently. Personally I think full auto on a handgun is a waste of time, but the videos are fun to watch.

<SLV> | 07-05-2007 12:03 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldfinger (Post 654705) I'd love to have a couple G18's
I'd settle for just one... with a stock and foregrip. :bear_w00t: (they should have a 3-rd burst feature.)

Darkside | 07-05-2007 12:09 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation That animation shows a magazine being fed into the gun and then the trigger squeezed immediately after and a shot going off. How did that round get into the chamber?

shades2 | 07-05-2007 12:15 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkside (Post 654717) That animation shows a magazine being fed into the gun and then the trigger squeezed immediately after and a shot going off. How did that round get into the chamber?
The animation is a loop, at the end of the animation it strips a round from the magazine and starts the process all over again. The magazine is removed and replaced before it fires. Not sure why they decided to do that. The other thing people have noted is the slide doesn't budge as the gun fires, only after the bullet has left the barrel, in real life, the slide does start moving as the bullet moves down the barrel.

shades2 | 07-06-2007 09:56 AM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation I also stumbled across this: http://www.sniperworld.com/books/gear_7.html The Glock 17 Pro. Which includes a longer threaded barrel. Factory night-sights and ta-da! Marine spring cups, so that if the dangerous urge takes you, you can even try shooting it underwater.

platinumdude | 07-06-2007 03:58 PM
Re: Great Glock 17 Animation Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldWampum (Post 654093) Which did you try? I am not familiar with the "high end" model.
Its called the EMP, with a 3 inch barrel. I think the main purpose of this one is for concealment. I tried the XDs, if I remember correctly, it was either wrong for my hand size or I didn't like the feel of it when the shots went off.

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