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graspAU | 02-11-2008 07:43 PM
Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law This is about microstamping the bullets, casings with a serial number as well as putting it on the box. Would take effect jan 2009. The real kicker is you would become a law-breaker if you did not get rid of all your non-microstamped ammo by 2011. 5 cents tax per round of course for admin overhead. MD is insane! http://mlis.state.md.us/2008RS/bills/hb/hb0517f.pdf What do you think? Want to move to Maryland? How about when you go to the range (which is barely legal in MD) and someone picks up your shell casing, reloads it and uses it during the commision of a felony?

TechGuy | 02-11-2008 07:51 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law What do the chances of it passing look like?

Tn...Andy | 02-11-2008 07:51 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law Not just Maryland......lot of States have introduced this.....sounds like the lobbyist for the micro stamping business has been VERY busy this past year. I've read several of the bills, and they sound almost word for word the same.....they were written by the same entity.

graspAU | 02-11-2008 07:53 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law It's a heavily democratic state. There a many people trying to spread the word about it, but it is just a matter of time before one of these gets through. They are constantly trying. I think there are about 26 active bills right now having to do with guns and only 4 are considered pro gun (mostly castle doctrine). The western (pan handle) part of the state is pro-gun, but we get over-run by all of the DC imports running the more densley populated counties.

graspAU | 02-11-2008 07:59 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law People in the state give me a hard time any time I bring up leaving to a neighboring state, but I don't know what else to do if a backdoor gun ban like this gets through. 3 neighboring states have shall-issue concealed carry. Maryland is a may issue and 99.999% are denied. As an average citizen you have to prove you are currently in physical danger.

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 02-11-2008 08:02 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law These people writing the falsley so-called "laws" in every state are just flinging more cowsh#t on the wall, and watching to see what sticks. If you get excited each and every time they make another play to enslave you, you'll find yourself all worn out in no time. I used to get animated about this mierda when it popped up, but I finally figured out that codified attempts to establish fascism pops up with greater frequency than mushrooms after a rain. Bad people never quit, and I was just making myself nuts getting worked up over it all. I finally just let it all go, and set about the task of arming and training myself for the day Rome finally collapses. I'd be less than honest if I said TN... Andy University didn't have a lot to do with my new philosophical outlook on things.

Tn...Andy | 02-11-2008 08:03 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law Enter "Coded Ammunition" in a google search.......LOT of States introduced it this or last year...... Tennessee Mississippi Illinios New York Hawaii Just the ones I saw quick.....my guess is half of them have it in the Legislature or ready to be introduced. THIS IS NOT AN ACCIDENT.....this WILL get rid of any existing ammo within a couple years....everyone I've read makes it illegal to possess un-coded ammo within two years. TN... Andy University ? Wazzat ?

graspAU | 02-11-2008 08:19 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law If any state will be a gateway state it will be MD or CA. For example these things are usually voted on party lines, our state House is 104 Democrats to 37 republicans. The Senate is 33 Democrats to 14 republicans. Our Governor backs Hillary Clinton. I can't even order 30 round mags for my AR without being a criminal: § 4-305. Detachable magazines - Prohibited. (a) Scope of section.- This section does not apply to a .22 caliber rifle with a tubular magazine. (b) Prohibited.- A person may not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, purchase, receive, or transfer a detachable magazine that has a capacity of more than 20 rounds of ammunition for a firearm. [An. Code 1957, art. 27, § 36H-5(b); 2002, ch. 26, § 2.] § 4-306. Penalties. (a) In general.- A person who violates this subtitle is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 3 years or a fine not exceeding $5,000 or both.

CQC McDuck | 02-11-2008 08:34 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law Many of these bills and laws that are being introduced and passed are bringing the legitimacy of our political institutions into question. What bothers me most is that most of these anti-gun proponents lack the intellectual honesty to openly admit that they're anti-gun. If I knew that it had a reasonable chance of occurring without being violently co opted by TPTB, I would start pushing for a non-violent pro-liberty neo-secessionist movement and let the socialists keep the rest of the country.

Tn...Andy | 02-11-2008 09:15 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law The way to do it is NOT like the South Carolina hotheads did last time. Take the Ghandi approach......simply sit down and refuse to work or participate anymore, and out last 'em.

Lurch | 02-11-2008 10:03 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law The thing we need to do is fight every single one of these bills like it was the most important fight of our lives. Feeling sorry for ourselves and whining won't fix it. Scott figured it out and joined MDShooters.com, if I'm correct. There's also Maryland Shall Issue This bill has to make it out of committee and it's going nowhere this year, but we need to make sure. Be at the hearings at 1pm on February 26th.

LibertyAZ | 02-12-2008 02:29 AM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law California already passed their microstamping bill and the RINO Governator signed it.

graspAU | 02-12-2008 07:56 AM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law Quote:
Originally Posted by LibertyAZ (Post 964089) California already passed their microstamping bill and the RINO Governator signed it.
I did not know that. So are ammo manufacturers going to micro stamp and sell to distributers or are they not bothering? I have not seen any microstamped ammo for sale anywhere? This is how these things gain momentum, 1 state, then others follow. I'm 30 minutes from 3 other state lines. I have lived here all my life, and do not want to move. If we lose the battle here, it may be my only choice, to fall back to another state to regain my rights. There is a large majority here that wants big government and for the welfare state to do everything for them. "But Feuer said "this will help catch killers." He added that he has had inquiries from other states and from members of Congress who may be willing to follow California’s lead." http://capoliticalnews.com/s/spip.php?breve3150

graspAU | 03-03-2008 04:55 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law We got this bill thrown out/withdrawn. So many good people wrote letters and went to Annapolis that we got our voices heard in one of the most unfriendly gun states in the country with a 3to1 democratic advantage in our legislature: "Maryland Ammunition Serialization Legislation Fails in Committee! Thank You for all of Your Hard Work! House Bill 517, Maryland’s ammunition serialization bill, received an “unfavorable” status in the House Judiciary Committee and was formally withdrawn on Friday, February 29. HB517, introduced by State Delegate Emmett Burns (D-10), would have required ammunition manufacturers to encode a serial number on all ammunition for regulated firearms (handguns and “assault weapons”) sold in the state and would require the registration of the ammunition to the purchaser. Only shotgun ammunition would have been exempted. All non-encoded ammunition privately possessed would have to be disposed of by January 1, 2009. HB517 would have also allowed the State Police to create an extensive and intrusive database on all ammunition purchasers, paid for by a tax of 5 cents per round. We want to thank all of our members who took the time to contact the House Judiciary committee in opposition to this bill and especially those gun owners and sportsmen who took the trip to the Capitol in defense of their Second Amendment rights. " The above was and email from NRA-ILA that came today.

Dave | 03-03-2008 05:08 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law Good thing this was beat in committee! Did you read the requirement that ANY ammunition that was not purchased with manufacturer coding would have to be turned in at a certain date? This is basically a law that would outlaw the stockpiling of any ammunition prior to this law. Frickin NUTS! Dave

TomD | 03-03-2008 05:32 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law My wife has a lot of family in MD. While up there visiting last fall I was reading a local paper about the governor introducing huge tax increases into every form of tax the state took. The locals were just as happy as clams at high tide. That is one liberal state. Do you think it has something to do with crabs? There's not one gun owner in my wife's entire extended family. Holy Cow, everyone in Georgia owns guns.

graspAU | 03-03-2008 05:51 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law Tomd - What has happened is inner-city residents (from DC and Baltimore)have out populated the rural areas and now control our legislature. Western MD is pro-gun, conservative, but we can not ever get our voices heard because they are stamped out by the liberals from the inner-city. Back in the late 70's and early 80's there was a large exodus from Washington DC to PG County Maryland. In addition, Baltimore city has very liberal people and representatives. When I say liberal, I mean big-government will take care of you types, who want to tax us to oblivion and provide a welfare state. Basically, the big city, welfare state from DC and Baltimore is consuming our entire state.

TechGuy | 03-03-2008 06:30 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law The reason they all sound they same is that they were written and pushed in every state by the brady commission. I am glad it failed. Hopefully the ones that did make it through will be overturned.

Awoke | 03-04-2008 12:12 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law Quote:
Originally Posted by TechGuy (Post 963703) What do the chances of it passing look like?
Likely very good if TPTB want more control, which they do.

sindgefallen | 03-04-2008 12:52 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law I was not aware that this bill passed in California? No one told me about it, not even my Police friends over here from CA heard about it. I hope this is incorrect. Please say it is incorrect.

graspAU | 03-04-2008 01:08 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law Quote:
Originally Posted by sindgefallen (Post 994887) I was not aware that this bill passed in California? No one told me about it, not even my Police friends over here from CA heard about it. I hope this is incorrect. Please say it is incorrect.
An ammunition bill passed and was signed by the Governer in CA the end of last year. There are provisions for work-arounds if they can't get things in place in time. The bill in CA is a microstamping bill. I believe the firing pin must engrave a unique mark on the primer. The bill in Maryland and other states is an encoding bill, where a serial number is engraved on the underside of the bullet, the casing, and on the box of ammutnition. A database would be created to house who owns what ammo. You will have to lookup the CA bill to get an accurate understanding of what happened. Here is some good info on it: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=3260

educatedredneck | 03-04-2008 01:47 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law Quote:
We got this bill thrown out/withdrawn. So many good people wrote letters and went to Annapolis that we got our voices heard in one of the most unfriendly gun states in the country with a 3to1 democratic advantage in our legislature: "Maryland Ammunition Serialization Legislation Fails in Committee! Thank You for all of Your Hard Work! House Bill 517, Maryland’s ammunition serialization bill, received an “unfavorable” status in the House Judiciary Committee and was formally withdrawn on Friday, February 29. HB517, introduced by State Delegate Emmett Burns (D-10), would have required ammunition manufacturers to encode a serial number on all ammunition for regulated firearms (handguns and “assault weapons”) sold in the state and would require the registration of the ammunition to the purchaser. Only shotgun ammunition would have been exempted. All non-encoded ammunition privately possessed would have to be disposed of by January 1, 2009. HB517 would have also allowed the State Police to create an extensive and intrusive database on all ammunition purchasers, paid for by a tax of 5 cents per round. We want to thank all of our members who took the time to contact the House Judiciary committee in opposition to this bill and especially those gun owners and sportsmen who took the trip to the Capitol in defense of their Second Amendment rights. " The above was and email from NRA-ILA that came today.
this is great news I live in maryland part of the year and would have never gone thru my stock of ammo in 1 year even if I shot every weekend from now till then

Lurch | 03-04-2008 02:35 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law The bill failed....not because of anything that the NRA did, but because individual gun owners got off for the day from work and drove to Annapolis to tell the General Assembly what a farce this bill was.

Big_Rob | 03-04-2008 04:34 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law I don't see how they could make unstamped ammo illegal that was purchased prior to any ammo stamping law that was passed due to the ex post facto clause in the constitution. Of course, our so called elected nannies think of it as just a goddamned piece of paper anyways.

Lackluster | 03-04-2008 05:21 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 995215) You answered your own question. The Constitution states that in order to go to war there must be a Declaration of War from Congress. How many wars have been fought in the past several decades without a Declaration of War from Congress?
Silly Sukhoi Fan, those weren't 'wars,' they were 'police actions!' Any resemblance to a war is merely coincendental.

graspAU | 03-04-2008 05:49 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 995215) You answered your own question. The Constitution states that in order to go to war there must be a Declaration of War from Congress. How many wars have been fought in the past several decades without a Declaration of War from Congress?
They subverted the Constitution through the War Powers Act. Of course since the War Powers Act has never made it to the Supreme Court it is considered legal. Same thing with our money since 1913, never tested to see if it is Constitutional. Our congress has sold us out for so long.

GoldMaster | 03-04-2008 06:17 PM
Re: Read this new proposed Maryland Gun Law The last time I bought a new firearm, I received the paperwork and a spent shell, where it was fire by the Feds and every detail was recorded. If this firearm is fired in any situation they know exactly where to start searching.

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