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ForeverInDebt | 05-31-2007 03:32 PM
Okay, so which GIM member is this? Come on, fess up. ;) http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/art...0-buzz-on.html Man found in underground bunker; took 2 years to build Associated Press May. 30, 2007 07:54 AM BUFFALO, N.Y. - A city fire investigator says he found a man living in a well-equipped underground bunker. James O'Neill, an investigator with the city fire marshal's office, said the man, a 47-year-old veteran, uses car batteries to light the 16-by-20-foot space, which is six feet underground. He cooks food in a hot pot. The man said the bunker took two years to dig, O'Neill said. The walls are covered with insulation and plastic tarps and the ceiling is made of wood and roofing material, said O'Neill, who discovered the home over the weekend while investigating a nearby fire. The man sleeps on a foam bed, O'Neill said. "Some people would call him homeless, but he's a clean, well-spoken guy. When I spoke to him, he was reading a novel by Joseph Wambaugh," O'Neill told The Buffalo News. The fire investigator declined to give the man's name or say where the bunker is located to protect the man's privacy. He said the man earns money doing occasional odd jobs. "It's not the Marriott hotel by any means, but this man has made it comfortable down there," O'Neill said. The man said he has been living in the bunker for about six years. "He told me it's a peaceful and tranquil place to live," O'Neill said.

gunner | 05-31-2007 03:43 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? <TABLE cellSpacing=6 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2></TD><TD noWrap>R MacDonald http://goldismoney.info/forums/image...ser_online.gif<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_623639", true); </SCRIPT> *Gold Member </TD><TD width="100%"> </TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap>Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Undisclosed Underground Bunker Posts: 4,131 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> ???

Veritas | 05-31-2007 03:47 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? I wonder who pays his property taxes...

Scorpio | 05-31-2007 03:55 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? No property tax 6 foot under, Hey wait a minute!:albertein They should charge below grade property taxes, Tax all the dead, It ain't like they are going anywhere, captive audience if you will. Then when they don't pay, they could sell a tax deed to hedge funds, and all is right in the fiat world. The dead bums don't pay the hedgies, so they write it off to the Feds as a deduction, and the cycle starts all over again. Sweet!

Veritas | 05-31-2007 04:01 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpio (Post 624206) No property tax 6 foot under
Funny... Who owns the land he just dug up? Is he on private property or public property?

gunner | 05-31-2007 04:07 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=50172 Buffalo, New York - (WGRZ) Believe it or not, there's a guy that's been living in an underground bunker in Buffalo for the past six years. His name is Clarence Rounds. He's 47-years-old. His home is literally down to earth. WGRZ's Stefan Mychajliw: "Why this lifestyle?" Rounds: "I just wanted something simple, and basic, down to earth." Mychajliw: "What is it about this lifestyle that suits you?" Rounds: "I pretty much, am on my own. And I'm my own boss here. I do want I want to do." The Buffalo man said he was living on Squaw Island and had to leave once the area was cleaned up and turned into a park. He was walking in the section of the City where he lives now, found a fairly wooded area, and decided to build a bunker as his home. It took him about two years to dig the roughly 16-by-20 foot underground home. It's close to six-and-a-half feet deep. Mychajliw: "How did you do it?" Rounds: "With a bucket and a shovel, day by day. I'd go to the soup kitchen, and then I'd just start digging the hole. The bunker is more energy efficient and loses less heat. I wouldn't be exposed to the wind. And I wouldn't need to build any walls. I'd just use the dirt for the walls. So I'd only need a roof. So it was more economics that I did it for." Clarence went to the Buffalo Public Library and read engineering books to learn how to make the bunker as structurally sound as possible. The initial fear was that heavy winter snow would cause it to collapse. "I got books on roof framing, post framing, and things like that, so that I would have the formulas available to calculate the loads properly so the roof wouldn't collapse on me while I was sleeping," added Rounds. A car battery serves as the main source of power for a small light and clock just above his bed. That car battery is also connected to a spliced extension cord that powers a radio with speakers inside and outside of the bunker. There's a fireplace with a vent that serves as a heat source and stove. And then there's the issue of a bathroom. Mychajliw: "This is somewhat of an embarrassing question, it's the first thing I thought of: what about a bathroom?" Rounds: "The bathroom? I use the porta-john that I got from one of the elderly people in the neighborhood. They donated it to me, because they knew I needed that." It isn't exactly a porta-john. It's walker that has a toilet seat positioned over a bucket. Some canned goods like peanut butter and pork and beans are on a small shelf, as well as a number of books, including a Bible and a paperback copy of "The Black Marble," by Joseph Wambaugh. Mychajliw: "Do you ever get lonely?" Rounds: "I don't get lonely. I try to keep myself busy. I've got my drafting. I love to read books. And I always try to learn stuff." According to Rounds, he didn't know his father and his mother passed away at the age of 29. He grew up in an orphanage, spent time studying at Seneca Vocational High School, and served two years in the Army "during the Carter Administration." He is Native American, states his family is from the Arapaho tribe. Mychajliw: "Do you feel as though growing up in an orphanage either led to this or this type of lifestyle?" Rounds: "It changes you for sure, especially at a young age. I grew up in an institution. I didn't have much family around me. So I didn't have a support network there to help me out with that." Money for food is earned through a number of odd jobs like landscaping, construction and roofing. That's how he learned how to put together his bunker. Mychajliw: "What about the property itself? Anyone ever give you a hard time about being here?" Rounds: "Nobody has given me a hard time. I've never bothered my neighbors. I support my neighbors. I keep people away from their fence line." There's a fire pit outside of the bunker and some touches of home, including a Sabres flag and a "Welcome Friends" mat near the ladder to the bunker. Mychajliw: "I think a lot of people would think, Clarence, why doesn't the guy just get a house, get an apartment?" Rounds: "A lot of people have asked me that question. I like it here. I like nature. I like to be in the woods. I grew up as a child; I always wanted a cabin in the woods. Like Michael Landon in Little House On The Prairie." Mychajliw: "People could think, this guy is nuts?" Rounds: "I'm not nuts. I'm a clever person. I use clever ideas. I use the materials that are given to me in life and God's talents that are given to me, to make this a possibility. It's not easy hanging here; it's a lot of work." Mychajliw: "Why not just get an apartment?" Rounds: "I know. It just seems to me this is a worthwhile thing to do. It's down to earth, and it makes me happy." Mychajliw: "How happy are you?" Rounds: "I'm happy. I'm a happy, go lucky guy. Life in general is pretty good. I don't think of my life as being bad. Life is just a continuation of yesterday."

R MacDonald | 05-31-2007 04:11 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Quote:
Originally Posted by gunner (Post 624200) <TABLE cellSpacing=6 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2></TD><TD noWrap>R MacDonald http://goldismoney.info/forums/image...ser_online.gif<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_623639", true); </SCRIPT> *Gold Member </TD><TD width="100%"> </TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap>Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Undisclosed Underground Bunker Posts: 4,131 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> ???
DAMN!!!! That GubMint fire dude promised me he wasn't going to say anything! :banghead: See if I open my mouth again!

gunner | 05-31-2007 04:18 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Quote:
Originally Posted by R MacDonald (Post 624229) DAMN!!!! That GubMint fire dude promised me he wasn't going to say anything! :banghead: See if I open my mouth again!
Now you're going to have to change your location to "disclosed underground bunker"...or move the hole :bear_grin:

Veritas | 05-31-2007 04:50 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Rounds sounds like a very level-headed, reasonable guy. When SHTF, he's already established himself as one of the survivors.

RealJack | 05-31-2007 05:03 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Clarence Rounds is officially my new hero. Too bad he got found out by the system. Now he'll likely be forced into some subsidized housing bs and wind up costing the amurikan TP (Tax Payer) $50 or $100 thousand a year. And to think he was doing just fine before being rescued by the fireman.

Veritas | 05-31-2007 05:08 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Quote:
Originally Posted by RealJack (Post 624285) Clarence Rounds is officially my new hero. Too bad he got found out by the system. Now he'll likely be forced into some subsidized housing bs and wind up costing the amurikan TP (Tax Payer) $50 or $100 thousand a year. And to think he was doing just fine before being rescued by the fireman.
Or in a worst case scenario - they treat him the same way they did when they found Saddam bunkered down in a hole.

Au_Ag | 05-31-2007 05:20 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Video clip showing bunker and Clarence ,here http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=50172

Baphomet Jones | 05-31-2007 05:34 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Very cool :D Thanks for sharing, I was talking to someone about that sort of lifestyle earlier today, interesting coincidence :D

R MacDonald | 05-31-2007 05:36 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Quote:
Originally Posted by Au_Ag (Post 624298) Video clip showing bunker and Clarence ,here http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=50172
What??? He's "happy" without a mortgage??? Call the shrinks in.... the chosenites will save him from himself.

gunner | 05-31-2007 05:42 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? They ask him twice why he doesn't get an apartment. I guess it seems strange that a person wouldn't want to take advantage of gov't subsidized housing and simply bill the taxpayer for your upkeep. I wonder how long it takes for them to declare his residence illegal, hazardous and an eyesore? Independant thought and self responsibility will not be tollerated !!

R MacDonald | 05-31-2007 05:48 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Quote:
Originally Posted by gunner (Post 624318) They ask him twice why he doesn't get an apartment. I guess it seems strange that a person wouldn't want to take advantage of gov't subsidized housing and simply bill the taxpayer for your upkeep. I wonder how long it takes for them to declare his residence illegal, hazardous and an eyesore? Independant thought and self responsibility will not be tollerated !!
Bear shitting in the woods, good.... Human shitting in a bucket in the woods, bad.

RealJack | 05-31-2007 06:33 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? I can pretty much guarantee Mr. Rounds' home is or will be filled in with a bull dozer for the safety of the community. Can you imagine taking a crap, in a bucket, in a hole, with a dirt floor? Ewwwww! Next thing you know he'd have the temerity to set up a wind turbine or solar. Maybe even bring home a bag lady, and have a kid or two. Ewwwww! This horrible disease must be stopped or we are all doomed. Oh, wait... we're already doomed. My bad. :bull-smile:

Au_Ag | 05-31-2007 06:38 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Quote:
Originally Posted by RealJack (Post 624386) I can pretty much guarantee Mr. Rounds' home is or will be filled in with a bull dozer for the safety of the community.
Sadly, I will be surprised if you are incorrect. He sinned. He went on TV and drew attention to himself.

TLM | 06-01-2007 08:42 AM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Sounds like a great guy, intellegent too. God Bless him.

Anty Ep | 06-01-2007 09:46 AM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? it doesnt say if he owns the real estate or not. my guess is that he doesnt. if he's on public lands I'll bet he can be and will be evicted shortly

Veritas | 06-01-2007 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 624959) it doesnt say if he owns the real estate or not. my guess is that he doesnt. if he's on public lands I'll bet he can be and will be evicted shortly
You can infer from the interview that he does NOT own the land, when they ask, "and they let you live here? Does anyone complain"? He claims to "get along" with his neighbors and if the land is privately owned, he should have no problems staying there. But my guess is that the land is NOT privately owned (since when do firefighters randomly walk through people's backyards?) and he may have problems in the near future. Hopefully enough locals saw his interview and see that he's not a bad guy. They may be able to help him keep his home.

gunner | 06-01-2007 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Veritas (Post 625321) (since when do firefighters randomly walk through people's backyards?) .
You'd be surprised. Here in Florida there's no respect for property lines or boundaries where officials are concerned. The only way to keep your property private is to put a fence around it with a locked gate and a vicious dog, otherwise these people feel justified in walking anywhere they like. My newest project has been planting hedge plants around the perimiter of my property, a natural boundary does not need a permit or variance and I can grow them as high as I want. If TSHTF - razor wire will be run from bush to bush in case someone gets the idea to push their way through.

Veritas | 06-01-2007 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by gunner (Post 625349) My newest project has been planting hedge plants around the perimiter of my property, a natural boundary does not need a permit or variance and I can grow them as high as I want. If TSHTF - razor wire will be run from bush to bush in case someone gets the idea to push their way through.
Brilliant Idea! How long will it take for them to grow? Let's just hope you don't find yourself drunk and stumbling through the "bush" into the neighbors backyard some day...or running out the backyard in panic when the wife comes home while the girlfriend is over. :party30:

Prometheus | 06-01-2007 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by gunner (Post 625349) You'd be surprised. Here in Florida there's no respect for property lines or boundaries where officials are concerned. The only way to keep your property private is to put a fence around it with a locked gate and a vicious dog, otherwise these people feel justified in walking anywhere they like.
Correct. As a former firefighter in FLA if we were investigating a fire or smoke we coudl go anywhere that wasn't locked. If it was locked and we could reasonably determine the fire was behind that locked obstacle we could cut/breech it if there was an immediate danger or if it was a not a immenent threat but was not a 'legal' burn we'd request the Sheriffs office to come out and and it'd be a joint venture in locating the owner, if no owner in a 'reasonable amount of time' which normally meant 15 minutes or so on scene we'd go in and do our thing. At the time I never gave it much thought I had my FF/EMT before I was 19 and property Rights weren't something I was really aware of.. Atleast not to the extent that I am now. Looking back on it I cn say I never maliciously violated anyones rights and I never cut a lock (usually I'd do the chain when I could to be kind to the owners) it was an actual emergency and the owners were glad I saved their house/car/shed from the numerous wildfires in my AO durring that time.

Veritas | 06-01-2007 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 625473) At the time I never gave it much thought I had my FF/EMT before I was 19 and property Rights weren't something I was really aware of..
I imagine that's pretty common with most 19 years olds. It's too bad they don't teach you to respect property rights while you are going through your ff/emt training and certification.

GreenSpirit | 06-01-2007 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverInDebt (Post 624186) Come on, fess up. ;) http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/art...0-buzz-on.html Man found in underground bunker; took 2 years to build Associated Press May. 30, 2007 07:54 AM BUFFALO, N.Y. - A city fire investigator says he found a man living in a well-equipped underground bunker. James O'Neill, an investigator with the city fire marshal's office, said the man, a 47-year-old veteran, uses car batteries to light the 16-by-20-foot space, which is six feet underground. He cooks food in a hot pot. The man said the bunker took two years to dig, O'Neill said. The walls are covered with insulation and plastic tarps and the ceiling is made of wood and roofing material, said O'Neill, who discovered the home over the weekend while investigating a nearby fire. The man sleeps on a foam bed, O'Neill said. "Some people would call him homeless, but he's a clean, well-spoken guy. When I spoke to him, he was reading a novel by Joseph Wambaugh," O'Neill told The Buffalo News. The fire investigator declined to give the man's name or say where the bunker is located to protect the man's privacy. He said the man earns money doing occasional odd jobs. "It's not the Marriott hotel by any means, but this man has made it comfortable down there," O'Neill said. The man said he has been living in the bunker for about six years. "He told me it's a peaceful and tranquil place to live," O'Neill said.
Can't they issue a pass to the people that are actually and truly subterranean? Just think of all the shoveling involved. Does America no longer honor people with shovels? :mad_m:

GreenSpirit | 06-01-2007 08:21 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Quote:
Originally Posted by gunner (Post 625349) You'd be surprised. Here in Florida there's no respect for property lines or boundaries where officials are concerned. The only way to keep your property private is to put a fence around it with a locked gate and a vicious dog, otherwise these people feel justified in walking anywhere they like. My newest project has been planting hedge plants around the perimiter of my property, a natural boundary does not need a permit or variance and I can grow them as high as I want. If TSHTF - razor wire will be run from bush to bush in case someone gets the idea to push their way through.
In Florida you could plant a "Carissa grandiflora" hedge (not the dwarf varieties)wherever you want to deter foot traffic. It's extremely drought-tolerant, zone 9 on cold hardiness, pretty flowers, edible fruit (the birds love them, they're called Natal plums)and Carissa has mean thorns going in five different directions. They can and will make humans bleed.

Au_Ag | 06-01-2007 08:58 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 625591) In Florida you could plant a "Carissa grandiflora" hedge (not the dwarf varieties)wherever you want to deter foot traffic. It's extremely drought-tolerant, zone 9 on cold hardiness, pretty flowers, edible fruit (the birds love them, they're called Natal plums)and Carissa has mean thorns going in five different directions. They can and will make humans bleed.
What wouild be good for, SC, NC, Tn - where they come together in the blue ridge mountains??

GreenSpirit | 06-01-2007 11:21 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Quote:
Originally Posted by Au_Ag (Post 625619) What wouild be good for, SC, NC, Tn - where they come together in the blue ridge mountains??
I'll have to defer on that one. I've been to the Blue Ridge but I don't really know the flora. I know Carissa would freeze up there. Where I use Carissa for defense you might need to use bad dogs.:smile:

MOD1 | 06-02-2007 10:57 AM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? "He told me it's a peaceful and tranquil place to live," O'Neill said. Of course it's a peaceful and tranquil place to live - No girlfriend or wife to contend with!!!:haha: :haha: :haha: Mod1

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GOLD DUCK | 06-02-2007 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by gunner (Post 624217) http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=50172 Buffalo, New York - (WGRZ) Believe it or not, there's a guy that's been living in an underground bunker in Buffalo for the past six years. His name is Clarence Rounds. He's 47-years-old. His home is literally down to earth. WGRZ's Stefan Mychajliw: "Why this lifestyle?" Rounds: "I just wanted something simple, and basic, down to earth." Mychajliw: "What is it about this lifestyle that suits you?" Rounds: "I pretty much, am on my own. And I'm my own boss here. I do want I want to do." The Buffalo man said he was living on Squaw Island and had to leave once the area was cleaned up and turned into a park. He was walking in the section of the City where he lives now, found a fairly wooded area, and decided to build a bunker as his home. It took him about two years to dig the roughly 16-by-20 foot underground home. It's close to six-and-a-half feet deep. Mychajliw: "How did you do it?" Rounds: "With a bucket and a shovel, day by day. I'd go to the soup kitchen, and then I'd just start digging the hole. The bunker is more energy efficient and loses less heat. I wouldn't be exposed to the wind. And I wouldn't need to build any walls. I'd just use the dirt for the walls. So I'd only need a roof. So it was more economics that I did it for." Clarence went to the Buffalo Public Library and read engineering books to learn how to make the bunker as structurally sound as possible. The initial fear was that heavy winter snow would cause it to collapse. "I got books on roof framing, post framing, and things like that, so that I would have the formulas available to calculate the loads properly so the roof wouldn't collapse on me while I was sleeping," added Rounds. A car battery serves as the main source of power for a small light and clock just above his bed. That car battery is also connected to a spliced extension cord that powers a radio with speakers inside and outside of the bunker. There's a fireplace with a vent that serves as a heat source and stove. And then there's the issue of a bathroom. Mychajliw: "This is somewhat of an embarrassing question, it's the first thing I thought of: what about a bathroom?" Rounds: "The bathroom? I use the porta-john that I got from one of the elderly people in the neighborhood. They donated it to me, because they knew I needed that." It isn't exactly a porta-john. It's walker that has a toilet seat positioned over a bucket. Some canned goods like peanut butter and pork and beans are on a small shelf, as well as a number of books, including a Bible and a paperback copy of "The Black Marble," by Joseph Wambaugh. Mychajliw: "Do you ever get lonely?" Rounds: "I don't get lonely. I try to keep myself busy. I've got my drafting. I love to read books. And I always try to learn stuff." According to Rounds, he didn't know his father and his mother passed away at the age of 29. He grew up in an orphanage, spent time studying at Seneca Vocational High School, and served two years in the Army "during the Carter Administration." He is Native American, states his family is from the Arapaho tribe. Mychajliw: "Do you feel as though growing up in an orphanage either led to this or this type of lifestyle?" Rounds: "It changes you for sure, especially at a young age. I grew up in an institution. I didn't have much family around me. So I didn't have a support network there to help me out with that." Money for food is earned through a number of odd jobs like landscaping, construction and roofing. That's how he learned how to put together his bunker. Mychajliw: "What about the property itself? Anyone ever give you a hard time about being here?" Rounds: "Nobody has given me a hard time. I've never bothered my neighbors. I support my neighbors. I keep people away from their fence line." There's a fire pit outside of the bunker and some touches of home, including a Sabres flag and a "Welcome Friends" mat near the ladder to the bunker. Mychajliw: "I think a lot of people would think, Clarence, why doesn't the guy just get a house, get an apartment?" Rounds: "A lot of people have asked me that question. I like it here. I like nature. I like to be in the woods. I grew up as a child; I always wanted a cabin in the woods. Like Michael Landon in Little House On The Prairie." Mychajliw: "People could think, this guy is nuts?" Rounds: "I'm not nuts. I'm a clever person. I use clever ideas. I use the materials that are given to me in life and God's talents that are given to me, to make this a possibility. It's not easy hanging here; it's a lot of work." Mychajliw: "Why not just get an apartment?" Rounds: "I know. It just seems to me this is a worthwhile thing to do. It's down to earth, and it makes me happy." Mychajliw: "How happy are you?" Rounds: "I'm happy. I'm a happy, go lucky guy. Life in general is pretty good. I don't think of my life as being bad. Life is just a continuation of yesterday."
QWAK,So THAT is what happened to my TWIN BROTHER seperated at BIRTH! :bull-smile: HE HE HE the DUCK

gunner | 06-02-2007 01:09 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 625591) In Florida you could plant a "Carissa grandiflora" hedge (not the dwarf varieties)wherever you want to deter foot traffic. It's extremely drought-tolerant, zone 9 on cold hardiness, pretty flowers, edible fruit (the birds love them, they're called Natal plums)and Carissa has mean thorns going in five different directions. They can and will make humans bleed.
Thanks for the head's up, I have some bouganvelia in the front, but this sounds like it has a nice bonus with the edible fruit. :shakehand

gunner | 06-02-2007 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by GOLD DUCK (Post 626106) QWAK,So THAT is what happened to my TWIN BROTHER seperated at BIRTH! :bull-smile: HE HE HE the DUCK
:D at least you know he's happy !

Veritas | 06-02-2007 01:14 PM
Re: Okay, so which GIM member is this? Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 625591) In Florida you could plant a "Carissa grandiflora" hedge (not the dwarf varieties)wherever you want to deter foot traffic. It's extremely drought-tolerant, zone 9 on cold hardiness, pretty flowers, edible fruit (the birds love them, they're called Natal plums)and Carissa has mean thorns going in five different directions. They can and will make humans bleed.
How big are these plants?

GreenSpirit | 06-02-2007 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gunner (Post 626164) Thanks for the head's up, I have some bouganvelia in the front, but this sounds like it has a nice bonus with the edible fruit. :shakehand
Here's some more info on a potentially mean to strangers but always pretty hedge plant :tee: http://www.desertpatiocreations.com/natalplum.html

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