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Book | 04-17-2006 12:03 PM
Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Mountain lion attacks boy on Boulder trailBy Kirk Mitchell Denver Post Staff Writer DenverPost.com Boulder - Members of a 7-year-old boy's family drove off a mountain lion that attacked him on a trail on Flagstaff Mountain late Saturday. The boy, who was not identified, was walking last in a single file of eight family members and friends near the Crown Rock trailhead about 6 p.m. when his father turned and saw the lion on him. The lion seized the child by the head and dragged him toward the woods, family members told Jason Blumen, a supervisor with Pridemark Paramedic Services, at Boulder Community Hospital. They shouted and struck the lion with rocks and sticks, said Tyler Baskfield, a spokesman for the state Division of Wildlife. "They did everything possible to defend the boy from the lion," Baskfield said. "You've got to fight back with everything you have if you're attacked by a mountain lion." Authorities said the boy had injuries consistent with a mountain lion attack including claw marks on his leg and puncture wounds on his jaw and head. "The family showed unbelievable courage and bravery," said Blumen. "It was the family that ultimately scared the animal away, and I am 100 percent sure that they saved his life." Blumen said the boy, who was later transferred from the Boulder hospital to Children's Hospital in Denver, is doing "remarkably well." Family members, who declined interviews, issued a statement saying he was in stable condition. The family's home town was not available. Dean Paschall, division manager of visitor environmental services for the city of Boulder, which owns the popular recreation area, said the boy suffered facial lacerations and bite marks on one leg. "This is something that is extremely unusual," Paschall said. "The mountain lions here are very accustomed to human beings. They don't look at humans as their natural food source." Claire Solohub of the Division of Wildlife said traps were being set and baited with road kill to catch the lion. Search dogs and officers with guns and flashlights were combing the area. "Whenever you have wild animals and people living together, we can't always control what happens," Solohub said. Baskfield said the cougar, if found, would be killed in the interest of safety because it's possible it would strike again. "The mountain lion may have been confused and thought the boy was prey because of his size," he added. Baskfield said authorities are considering restricting access to trails on Flagstaff Mountain until the mountain lion is found. Boulder resident Chuck Corwin, who frequently hikes in the area, said he has never seen a mountain lion there, but the animals have had so much interaction with people that they're not afraid of them. "It's going to happen every once in a while unless you kill every mountain lion in the state," Corwin said of Saturday's attack. Although cougar attacks are rare, mountain lions have killed people in Colorado - three in the past 15 years. There are an estimated 5,000 big cats in Colorado. Males can grow to more than 8 feet long from nose to tail and weigh up to 150

Book | 04-17-2006 12:10 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Now bears... http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/16/bear.attack/index.html

Book | 04-17-2006 12:27 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too 1 Attachment(s) WTSHTF the SPCA won't be keeping the City safe either. Feral dogs soon run in packs: Attachment 13472

Jasper | 04-17-2006 12:27 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too R MacDonald posted this horrifying link to a video of a MOOSE attack on another thread. You won't want to be going anywhere near MOOSE after seeing this: http://www.filecabi.net/video/rampagingmoose.html From Post No.5 at: http://goldismoney.info/forums/showt...ighlight=moose :eek:

RichG | 04-17-2006 12:34 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Don't forget mans best friend...... Buckshot posts on afew forums....Great back to basics and trapping guy.:smokin: http://www.survival-center.com/buckshot/dogs.htm Wild Dogs Pose Post-TEOTWAWKI Danger I was in a chat room tonight and we were discussing dogs. I said "If TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it) happens, then 100 millions dog will be a major problem." Then we got to talking about the Great Depression and how the land was almost hunted dry. First, before we accept that as fact, here was the argument. One person stated that when the great depression happened there was half the population, then there is now. So, if a great world collapse was to happen today, his premise was there wouldn't be anything left in the forest. I have to disagree. My biggest point was during the G.D., 40 percent of the population came from farms, most knew how to hunt and a fair percentage knew how to trap. Then it makes senses that the game would disappear. But even then, there were a percentage of trappers all over this country that fed their families and saved their farms with the fur money. See the value of trapping? My premise is we have 90 percent of the U.S. population in the cities. Most are soft and would rather steal what you have then work at hunting or trapping. I believe most will never get out of the cities and will die in a hail of gunfire, rioting and fires. When all this is going on, they will let their pets go free, thinking at least they can survive on their own. This is why at 4:00 am I'm writing this article. I could not sleep. I know city people will do this and we will have 100 million dogs and 80 million cats released to go wild. Now what I have to say next is not for the weak hearted, if for any reason you have a weak stomach or can't handle a cold hard reality check, then go back to my home page and choose another article. http://www.survival-center.com/images/wild-dog.gif OK, for those that are still with me, these animals will be a major problem and must be dealt with. Period. This isn't Disney, where you can talk to the poor dog and cat and the world is all fuzzy and warm. This is reality. If you own animals never, ever, EVER, release them to go wild. If you don't have the stomach for putting them down, have someone else do it. If you have to put dog food away at your camp, cache, whatever, great. I think a dog is invaluable then. A cat in the wild in this crisis is your greatest enemy. One study in Wisconsin found that the best predator against small game was the house cat. The common house cat killed more small game then all other predators in the study. Now the reason I'm up this late and can't sleep is the dogs. I understand pack mentality and a pack of dogs scares me more then a pack of wolves. I have been studying the woods and wildlife my whole life. This is how the dogs will form packs, an alpha male will take control of the pack with a beta male as second in command, the packs will range from 6 to 100 dogs depending on the food supply. This scenario, I read years ago of a pack like this had 45 dogs and this was how they attacked people. The alpha picked a friendly looking female like a collie. This is the decoy dog. As you are walking in the woods, the collie approaches and draws your attention, as the packs circle you for the kill. When the pack sneaks up to striking distance, they will attack and so will the decoy. I'm talking lighting fast 45 dogs coming at you. How many rounds does your clip have? You see when the riots and the death in the city is happening the dogs will learn to fed on the bodies then in turn will acquire the taste for humans. Now you have a pack of wild dogs who consider you and your loved ones as food. They have no fear of man and will kill you to insure their own survival. Now, I'm not trying to scare you and sell fear. I am telling you that this will happen if the chaos of TEOTWAWKI occurs. You'll have to learn to kill dogs and cats on sight. Period. This is not an option. If you want to insure your own survival, then listen to me. This is no game. If you think I'm just stating this to sell you trapping equipment then click off this article and go take a poll of the people you know, ask the following question, "What would you do with your dog and cat if you lost your job and could not afford to fed them?" I have lived in the country most of my life and I have had to deal with these animals that people let go on their own. I have talked to the people who have told me that they still believe their Ralphy boy is probably still out there hunting with the best of the coyotes. Dreamy like and with pride in there voice! Or I know my cat is still alive because he was the best hunter in the neighborhood, he killed more birds then any other cat! http://www.survival-center.com/images/wild-dog2.gif I'm not selling anything but reality! I'll tell you another dog story that happened to me. I was trapping on this farm years ago and I caught a black mangy, scaly looking black lab mixed mongrel. I have caught lots of dogs over the years and I can let most go with out a problem, unharmed. Anyway, I approached this dog and started talking to him and slowly moving closer. The dog stood up, wagged his tail and appeared happy to see me. When this happens, 99% percent of the time I can release the dog and place him in my truck to take to the farmhouse and explain what happened. Most dogs are fine and have a sore foot for a couple of days, then they're back to normal. Not this dog he lured me in with his friendly attitude until he thought I was in striking distance, then turned into attack mode. Lucky, I was prepared for the reaction and quickly jumped back. I never will forget that lighting fast change and the snarling teeth just missing my hand. The dog misjudged his strike range, if I had been a little closer this would be a different story. So I walk back to truck truck, found the farmer and told him I caught his dog. The farmer says I don't own a dog and what color is it, because some black mongrel attacked his wife yesterday. To make long story short, the dog was turned over to the humane department and tested positive for rabies. Now this was back in the early eighties when a lot of people were getting laid-off. People were letting their dogs go in the farmers' fields and without proper care, and the dogs picked up all kinds of diseases. Someone has to deal with these dogs. There is no such thing as a dog or cat that is better off let go to fend for themselves. I have seen them all and most of the time you would never recognize them after 6 months on there own. If a TEOTWAWKI does happen then someone in your group preferably everyone should trap, hunt and kill every dog and cat that has gone wild in your area. Period! I'm writing this early in the morning because I couldn't sleep at the thought of that many wild dogs and cats free in America. The best defense to protect your garden and livestock or game animals would be snares. I would have 10 dozens coyote grade snares and enough heavy wire to set all of them at once. Here is another theory: Starving people will kill the dogs for food. I say sure some will become food, but the average household that has guns has less then 50 rounds, although most survivalists will have much more. So, I think after the first week most people will be out of ammo. Then the packs will rule. Let me know what you think, am I way off base? I just keep thinking of all the people in the cities and their "My dogs are my children" attitude. Dog and cat food is a huge business. I mean, they have pet psychiatrist for Christ sakes. Think about all the movies and shows like 911 where people risk their lives to save animals. I'm not saying that this is wrong, all I'm pointing out is people's attitude toward pets, and I guarantee they will let them go to fend for themselves when the food runs out. Make sure you are ready to face this threat.

Book | 04-17-2006 12:37 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too A bug-out tent won't be much shelter from tooth and claw. :bawling:

Jasper | 04-17-2006 12:50 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Scary stuff, RichG. Something I would never have thought of, and I guess most wouldn't either. Thanks very much.

RichG | 04-17-2006 01:17 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Alittle more from Buckshot on this subject ...... More on Dogs and Predators I was just thinking that I didn't fully explain the dog issue. Especially the Alpha male, the Beta male and how the pecking order works. The meanest, toughest, and most willing to draw blood will be the Alpha. He more or less runs the pack through fear and intimidation. The Beta male is the second strongest. He may challenge the Alpha male, but as soon as he starts to lose he will back off. The Beta is just as dangerous as the Alpha and his whole purpose in life is waiting for the day he can run the pack. So the Alpha has a Judas in his mist, if in a fight with a new dog that tries to take the pack over, the Beta will watch this fight intently. Even if the Alpha drives off or wins the fight if he is serious hurt the Beta may try to finish him off for control of the pack. Why is this important? This is one piece of vital information I forgot to tell you. If wild dogs attack you, the two most important dogs to kill are the Alpha and the Beta. You see, the Beta is waiting for his turn to run the pack. So if you shoot the Alpha, the Beta might just call off the attack just so he can run the pack. That doesn't mean you are out of trouble. All that means is there is a new leader and next time they will try something different. If TEOTWAWKI does happen, then the dog packs will find you, I guarantee it. This is how I will try to explain this. The best place to trap coyotes is a running full time farm. The largest farm in the area is always the best place to trap. Now stop and think about why? Okay, let me rephrase the question. The best place to trap coyotes in any county is the largest livestock farm. Why? If you all thought about it you would come up with the smell of food. You see all dogs are from the wild, in their past they are all cousins to fox, coyotes, and wolves. They mostly hunt with their nose. So the farm with the most livestock that has calves, cows, chickens, sheep, whatever the farmer is raising. Some die off during the year, the farmer takes the carcasses to the back 40 and lets the predators clean up. The predators were out there the whole time coming by checking out the place looking for an easy meal. Do you see my point? That is why the dogs will find you. Maybe not at first, but they will find you. They will smell your camp, cooking, cleaning game, livestock, etc. They will come. I have studied predators. I have tracked them for miles in the snow just to learn how they cross the country, how they hunt, how they think, how they react to man, etc. This has taught me a great deal. In the winter, we have a great deal of snow and this is hard for the predators. When a deer dies off, predators from miles away come to feast on him. After the body gets torn up, the predator birds will be there and every predator will get its share. I have come up on these sites. Which way do the predators first approach the kill, do you think.? The down wind side. There is an advanced predator trapping lesson here, if you are paying attention. This also shows on any trapping where you are using lures, the importance of the wind. If you are trapping a river and the wind is blowing across into your face, then you are setting on the wrong side. Any animal that you hope to lure to your set must first smell it. This sounds so obvious, but it takes a mental note in your head to keep this in mind. Now, do you start to see how the packs will find you? This is how I plan on dealing with this problem, 100 snares will guard my place. 100 snares sounds like a great deal of work, but it really isn't, this could be done in one day. Even a novice can do it in three days, tops. Everyone with me that carries a weapon will kill every dog on sight. This problem has me upset, it is something I should have thought of years ago. I understand nature and why a pack of hungry wolves doesn't scare me like a pack of wild dogs, is quite simply that the wolves are taught to fear man. I will try to explain this in detail, but the best way is through actual events. Here in Michigan back in the 50's, they outlawed bear hunting, and a few years after the bears where not hunted, this took place: A family is living in the woods. Dad goes off to work on a nice spring day, so mom has her baby on the front porch while she is inside cleaning. The baby was around 18 months old and was just enjoying the sun, when a black bear come up and grabbed the child. The baby started screaming. The mother's instinct took over and she did one of the bravest things I have ever heard off! Armed with a broom, the mother started beating on the bear to make it drop the child. The bear was annoyed and simply ran off into the woods with the child. Mom was immediately on the phone, and before long, the whole town was out there to search for the child. Luckily there was a pack of trained bear hounds in the area and soon the trail was found. It wasn't long before they found what was left of the child and the bear was ran down and shot. This whole incident happened because the Department of Natural Resources didn't understand nature. The rule is quite simple; you are either a predator or prey. Which do you want to be? You need more examples? OK. Out in the western states the animal rights groups would pour all their resources into one state at a time, until several states outlawed mountain lion hunting. Now, remember the rule, predator or prey! I can't remember the exact numbers, but every state that outlawed mountain lion hunting has had the highest mountain lion attack's ever recorded. The mountain lion has no reason to fear man, so we become prey. Especially small children! You see, the animal rights people would rather see your child attacked and mauled then allow hunting. This cheapens human life. One more example: Arizona recently outlawed trapping. When this happened, I wrote the rule (predator or prey) and stated that the coyotes would start attacking children within five years. I was wrong, it only took two years. In Phoenix last summer two children out playing where attacked and mauled by coyotes, luckily they survived the attack. The animal rights people have an agenda that is in goose step with the NWO. They are trying to ban all of us from hunting, trapping, fishing and, worst of all, even walking in the woods. I got a little off track, but my whole point was to show how nature works. Dogs and man are part of nature, and the rule always applies. God forbid, if TEOTWAWKI does happen, then the rule will apply even more because dogs have no fear of man to begin with and man does not consider dogs as a threat. You will either establish that you are the top predator of your area, or you will be prey.

Prometheus | 04-17-2006 02:18 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Quote:
"They did everything possible to defend the boy from the lion," Baskfield said
They didn't bring a firearm, so no they didn't. Same could be said to a lesser degree about bear mace as well.... That lion would have had 13 rounds of .45 acp in it RFN and as fast as I could shove another fresh mag into it and the hole making would have continued. ---Thats if I was on a nature walk. If I was on a real hike I would have been pumping it full of something in a nice rifle caliber. WTF do people go into the woods unarmed? I can't tell you how many dumbasses in FLA go unarmed... from small black bears to wild boar that can trap you to panthers. People who travel completely un prepared deserve no sympathy. Dang shame the kid had to suffer for his parents stupidity.

Ponce Cuba | 04-17-2006 02:24 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Another good reason for having that fence ten feet away from my home and all the way around it.

J.D.Rockinfeller | 04-17-2006 02:30 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus They didn't bring a firearm, so no they didn't. Same could be said to a lesser degree about bear mace as well.... That lion would have had 13 rounds of .45 acp in it RFN and as fast as I could shove another fresh mag into it and the hole making would have continued. ---Thats if I was on a nature walk. If I was on a real hike I would have been pumping it full of something in a nice rifle caliber. WTF do people go into the woods unarmed? I can't tell you how many dumbasses in FLA go unarmed... from small black bears to wild boar that can trap you to panthers. People who travel completely un prepared deserve no sympathy. Dang shame the kid had to suffer for his parents stupidity.
:clap2: Some state laws are restrictive. I live in griz country, and THAT changes the whole equasion.....wolves also abound....when you camp by me YOU are on the menu.....fortunately there are no laws regarding guns here...:D

drafter | 04-17-2006 02:35 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus WTF do people go into the woods unarmed? I can't tell you how many dumbasses in FLA go unarmed... from small black bears to wild boar that can trap you to panthers. People who travel completely un prepared deserve no sympathy. Dang shame the kid had to suffer for his parents stupidity.
Problem is some of those places forbid the carry of firearms, and some people would rather be in compliance with the "law" than protect their family and themselves. I'm not one of those people. "Better to be judges by 12 than carried by 6" and my other favorite "Shoot, shovel, shut-up". If a bear attacks me I'm not waiting around to tell Mr.Ranger my story in hopes of being forgiven by government for not allowing myself to be eaten.

Alric | 04-17-2006 02:55 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Any more than 5 dogs is a big problem. I don't see how anyone would stop 45. Atleast you have a decent chance to out run people. You can't out run dogs though.

Infidel | 04-17-2006 03:33 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Squirrels eat dog alive

J.D.Rockinfeller | 04-17-2006 03:36 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasper R MacDonald posted this horrifying link to a video of a MOOSE attack on another thread. You won't want to be going anywhere near MOOSE after seeing this: http://www.filecabi.net/video/rampagingmoose.html From Post No.5 at: http://goldismoney.info/forums/showt...ighlight=moose :eek:
As i type there's a cow moose right outside my window,chewing on my willow tree.....

R MacDonald | 04-18-2006 02:39 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Quote:
They shouted and struck the lion with rocks and sticks, said Tyler Baskfield, a spokesman for the state Division of Wildlife. "They did everything possible to defend the boy from the lion," Baskfield said. "You've got to fight back with everything you have if you're attacked by a mountain lion."
This is why I NEVER go to the bush without a firearm.... NEVER!

R MacDonald | 04-18-2006 02:41 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Quote:
Originally Posted by zhukher Squirrels eat dog alive
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Book | 04-18-2006 02:59 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Fatal Mountain Lion Attacks The following information is not intended to scare anyone about mountain lions but merely provide information regarding the rare but fatal attacks by wild cougars. If you know of a cougar attack we don't have listed please e-mail us the information. http://www.southeasternoutdoors.com/...ion-usfw-m.jpg Photo Larry Moats, USFWS � California - June 1890 7 year old boy killed by two lions while playing near his home in Siskiyou County. California - July 1909 Rabid cougar attacks woman and child who survived the attack but died later from rabies. Washington - December 1924 13 year old boy attacked and killed by a 3 year old healthy male cougar. British Columbia - June 1949 7 year old boy was attacked and killed while walking on the beach British Columbia - January 1971 12 year old boy attacked and killed by male cougar while playing with his sisters. New Mexico - January 1974 8 year old boy killed by 3 year old female cougar British Columbia - July 1976 7 year old girl killed by 2 year old male lion on Vancouver Island. British Columbia - May 1988 9 year old boy stalked and killed by 4 year old male mountain Lion. Montana - September 1989 a 5 year old boy was attacked and killed by at least two possibly three cougars. Colorado - January 1991 18 year old boy killed while jogging on his high school track California - March 1991 3 year old attacked and killed by cougar. British Columbia - May 1992, 7 year old boy attacked and killed while playing in the school yard. the young female cougar was killed at the scene. California - April 1994, 40 year old, female long distance runner was attacked and killed while jogging in the Auburn State Recreation area. California - December 1994 56 year old woman was killed while hiking alone in Cuyamaca Rancho State Park. British Columbia - August 1996, Mother killed while defending her 6 year old son on horse back riding trip. Colorado - July 1997, 10 year old boy killed by an adult female cougar while hiking in Ricky Mountain National Park. Colorado - October 1999, 3 year old missing boys remains found and evidence suggests killed by Mountain Lion. Alberta - January 2001 30 year old female skier killed by mountain in Banff National Park. Arkansas - May 2003 41 year old woman was killed in her yard by what was most likely a cougar. California - January 2004 35 year old male attacked and killed and partially consumed while mountain biking.

Book | 04-18-2006 03:04 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Updated: 9:19 p.m. ET April 15, 2006 BENTON, Tenn. - A popular mountaintop campground remained closed Saturday as officials searched for signs of the black bear that killed a 6-year-old girl near a swimming hole. Officers detected some �bear activity� around the traps and snares that were rigged Friday in the remote Cherokee National Forest Chilhowee Recreation Area, said Sharon Moore, a U.S. Forest Service spokeswoman. If any bears are trapped, a comparison with hairs shed during the attack will identify the responsible animal, Moore said. Linky Just this past week...

hoarder | 04-18-2006 05:35 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Since lion attacks on men are almost non-existant (usually they attack children and women who are on period), I have little fear of them. Wolves are known for their cowardice. I doubt there would be any sizable wild dog packs in the Rockies, but maybe the Appalachians and Ozarks. Bears are without a doubt the primary four legged threat in the woods. My greatest fear is waking up to a bear gnawing at my sleeping bag. I'm not too enamored with romantic notions of sleeping under the stars. I can't see any stars when I'm asleep because my eyes are shut. Sometimes I sleep on top of a shipping container which affords some protection, since it's 8 1/2' off the ground. I usually sleep in the back of my truck cap when I have that option. I like Idahoans. They have the balls to defy political correctness and point out how foolish the wolf reintroduction was and allow both residents and non-residents TWO bear tags and TWO lion tags at a very reduced rate in many hunting districts. They do this because the wolves have decimated elk populations and they are compensating for federal foolishnes. IMO, most of the predator protection laws and reintroductions in the last 3 decades were an anti-gun maneover designed to lessen the role of hunters in our society by eliminating their game.

Book | 04-18-2006 06:48 PM
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Sometimes I sleep on top of a shipping container which affords some protection, since it's 8 1/2' off the ground. I usually sleep in the back of my truck cap when I have that option. -hoarder
Excellent alternative. One of the reasons why I started this thread was to caution our GIM brothers that bug-out tents are not much shelter from tooth and claw: Attachment 13529

Dude | 04-18-2006 07:43 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too And don't forget to take a slow runner with you. All you have to do is outrun him.:stickyman :Sorry:

Alric | 04-18-2006 07:54 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too The problem with WILD dogs are they might be used to humans. Most animal don't attack people because their scared of us. Most likely its because most people are big(or atleast tall) compared to them and they likely never seen people or only rarely. I bet you could even scare off a bear if you where brave enough to try. The problem is most people can't defend themself so if they learn that, they may very well eat you. So a group of dogs that where all pets that went wild may not find you the least bit scary.

Book | 04-18-2006 08:43 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
So a group of dogs that where all pets that went wild may not find you the least bit scary. -Alric
Probably still angry about that time you wacked 'em with that rolled-up newspaper, made them sit-up and beg for that treat, and neglected to take them for a walk after dinner. Attachment 13531

hoarder | 04-18-2006 08:49 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasper R MacDonald posted this horrifying link to a video of a MOOSE attack on another thread.
Do any of you northerners know what are the best ways to avoid/defend against moose attacks? I know they hate horses and horses will do their best to escape a moose, even if you are riding him....which can lead to injuries.

Ponce Cuba | 04-18-2006 08:59 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too I remember in 1962 when I got out of the army the first time I was in some kind or demonstration at Bayfront Park in Miami and some cops had some dogs, because I was at the front line one of the cops gave some give to the leash holding his dog and the same came at me. I put all my finger of my right hand together in the shape of a spear and as the dog came at me I grabbed him by the collar with my left hand and rammed my right hand down his throat, by doing this he was unable to close his mouth and at the same time unable to breathe. The cop started to yell " Let go, let go you are going to kill my dog", hell the dog was trying to kill me......finally I let go and the dog pulled back gagging, I of course got lost among the people.

Dude | 04-18-2006 09:04 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Quote:
Originally Posted by Ponce Cuba rammed my right hand down his throat,
Ponce, the wild man. I'm liking you more and more.

Book | 04-24-2006 02:48 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared.../news_logo.gif Police hunt Leone 'killer chimps' Police in Sierra Leone are on the hunt for a group of chimpanzees, who escaped from their wildlife sanctuary after a fatal attack on construction workers. Armed reinforcements are combing the area after a Sierra Leonean died and four people were seriously injured. Security personnel said the five men were attacked on Sunday after entering the Tacugama Chimpanzee Sanctuary. Angry chimps killed and mutilated the driver. Three North Americans are in a hospital in the capital, Freetown. Another Sierra Leonean was also badly injured - and reportedly needed to have his hand amputated. A worker at Tacugama told the BBC that some 24 chimpanzees had escaped, while six had already returned. The violent attack was instigated by Bruno, the first chimpanzee taken in by the sanctuary and its alpha-male, along with two other primates, police said. Villagers warned Armed police arrived after the attack and fired shots which caused panic among local people. Tourism Minister Okere Adams visited the scene just outside Freetown and said police were searching the area to find the chimps and bring them back to the sanctuary. "We are combing the area and beyond to bring the chimpanzees back but would not harm them," a police officer told AFP news agency. The authorities have warned residents of the mountain villages around the sanctuary not to approach any chimpanzees they come across. The sanctuary was set up a decade ago to give shelter to orphaned and abandoned chimpanzees. Across West Africa, chimpanzees are under threat from hunting, logging and human encroachment.

Alric | 04-24-2006 02:57 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too You know I have noticed nearly every other house on my block has a dog. And I am not talking about any dogs they keep indoors either. Half of them have dogs outside in the yard. Which means theres likely to be even more. Plus half of them with dogs outside have two of them. Theres one guy across the street from me, I thought he had only two dogs but there was 4 of them running around in his yard the other day. If you add them up, there can easily be a dog for every house.

J.D.Rockinfeller | 04-24-2006 03:32 PM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too Its the kitties that scare me....went hiking in the gros venture wilderness , about a mile from my house,sunday,when AFTER my son let loose about 1oo rds from his .22, the montain lion that watching us finally ran off.... had my .45 on me just in case:cool:

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wallew | 04-24-2006 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Alric Any more than 5 dogs is a big problem. I don't see how anyone would stop 45. At least you have a decent chance to out run people. You can't out run dogs though.
UH..... With 75 rnd drums? TIMES TWO? Besides, IF YOU RUN, YOU WILL ONLY DIE TIRED!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! http://goldismoney.info/forums/attac...5&d=1132888453

electric-amish | 04-25-2006 01:14 AM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too In North America there is only one wild animal that will stalk you to eat you. This little beauty is the cougar. They usually attack women and children but can and do attack full grown men. In Missouri the conservation dept has reintroduced many species. Rattle snakes, Bears, Otters, I wouldnt doubt that they have brought the good old Cougar back. I have friends that have seen them in the Missouri Ozarks. They are also in Southern Iowa. I would like to get just the right Pistol for these rascles. As well as the Wild Boars. I just can't understand how thing got so dangerous in the last 25 years. Good news is the Ozarkers in Missouri follow the Three S rule when it comes to Critters in them woods.

Alric | 04-25-2006 01:35 AM
Re: Bug-out Plans Should Consider Threat From Four-Leggers Too You might get half of them but if they really wanted to I think they would still get you.

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