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NotMarkk | 03-08-2010 11:56 PM
When do you think the S will HTF I'm about to start a shop with all the cash I've got, I havn't prepared for the SHTF yet and I suspect I'll have enough cash by the end of the year to prepare properly if I do start this shop. So... Do you think I should start the shop ASAP and recoup on my losses, then prepare (4+ months). or should I prepare now and put off the shop for a while? I think we have another 1-3 years left. What do you think?

Drumblebum | 03-09-2010 12:01 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF It's already happening. If you are expecting some "defining event" one day (as I at one point expected), you will be disappointed. This is a slow train wreck already in progress. The rate of change you see happening is the way it's gonna stay. This exact question has been discussed many times over the couple of years I have been here.

Zilver | 03-09-2010 12:06 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF It's a tough and risky time to start a business, Aiken to putting one's hand in a fire...imo.

Horn | 03-09-2010 12:15 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF 1 Attachment(s) You have to be on the inside to get that kind of info.:504:

cfcw | 03-09-2010 12:21 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF I don''t think anyone knows if and when the wheels will fall off the bus. My gut says 3-5 years but the decline may be gradual, and one day we may realize it has already happened right under our noses. Maybe one day we start to wonder why the fresh fruits at the market are no longer there, or note that gasoline is not in regular supply anymore at the stations. Or perhaps that a happy meal now costs an hour's wages. I'm playing both sides- hoping for the best but planning for the worst. I Just bought a business, a significant investment in a discretionary spending consumer service that will tank if TEOTWAWKI occurs. But I have the basic preps covered, six months or so of food and a little PM. And I figured a little commercial real estate might not be much worse than cash in some circumstances. As already mentioned we may see a slow decline for years before :fan: But who knows for sure? Start making basic,inexpensive preps now, 1K or even $500 in preps can make a huge difference in your family's odds if something happens. Sacrifice something else, entertainment and eating out as much to afford to stock up on some basics: food water, meds, lights, sleeping bags, etc. I really hope TPTB can pull a rabbit out of their ass. I sure would like for things to keep humming along. I like my internet,trips to Disney World, and NY pizza :)

Drumblebum | 03-09-2010 12:27 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF Quote:
Originally Posted by cfcw (Post 2217548) I really hope TPTB can pull a rabbit out of their ass. I sure would like for things to keep humming along. I like my internet,trips to Disney World, and NY pizza :)
TBTB HAVE pulled a rabbit out of their ass, dude! The disaster you see unfolding in front of you IS the rabbit!! :507:

Apparition | 03-09-2010 01:31 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF I thinking that there are about 2 to 5 years left. The increase in the US military's aggression towards Iran, China, & Russia should be monitored closely. In addition, the ever-increasing national debt is bound to have some negative economic effect although I'm sure that the Fed is too busy devaluing the dollar by overprinting in order to create a temporary sense of financial security which will only explode at some point. Troubling & worrisome times are inevitably ahead. Oh boy. I hope I'm prepared.

Canadian-guerilla | 03-09-2010 06:38 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF coin flip between FINANCIAL COLLAPSE and IRAN-ISRAEL WAR spring/summer of 2010

NotMarkk | 03-09-2010 07:28 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF Interesting comments :-) I decided to put the business on hold and stock up on food, learn about WVG & diesel generators, get medical stuff like MMS, colloidal silver, activated charcoal and a de-humidifier > water thing. what else? []Medical supplies []Food []Water []Heat []Bartering items []Electricity

Dirty Harry | 03-09-2010 07:41 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=431438 :ok:

TheMadHatter | 03-09-2010 07:48 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF Quote:
Originally Posted by ImaCannin (Post 2217531) Being a self employed person... I would say wait on the shop and prepare. My business did about 65% drop in sales last year. This year is even worse.
I guess it's what kind of business it is. My business is booming. I've never had it so good ;)

Canadian-guerilla | 03-09-2010 07:51 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF Quote:
Originally Posted by NotMarkk (Post 2217741) Interesting comments :-) I decided to put the business on hold and stock up on food, learn about WVG & diesel generators, get medical stuff like MMS, colloidal silver, activated charcoal and a de-humidifier > water thing. what else? []Medical supplies []Food []Water []Heat []Bartering items []Electricity
some kind of protection/firearms to safeguard your preps in the coming chaos

puller738 | 03-09-2010 08:16 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF Gerald Celente says the big crash happens this year. He says by the end of the year survivalism will be mainstream. I'm not sure if he will be correct, but I'm not taking any chances. I think you may see some catastrophic event this year which may cause people to panic into supplies required to keep them alive. Somewhere down the road the masses will catch on and when that happens it will happen fast. Get set up now, you can always back off from there.:sleepy13:

cfcw | 03-09-2010 08:27 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF I think the TPTB are trying to pull a rabbit out of the hat. They just don't know quite know what they have hold of just yet. <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/hJoPNBEdduk&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/hJoPNBEdduk&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object> One thing not often addressed: Are you on sewer or septic tank? Sewer system failure could render a structure uninhabitable in minutes if you live in a low area. One of the issues in Katrina was powering the sewer lift stations to move the poop. If no one is there to move the poop, the poop backs up into homes (the low altitude ones first). I imagine as an emergency defensive measure any water system could/would be cut off the supply. Septic tank - no worries

Goldfinger | 03-09-2010 09:21 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumblebum (Post 2217530) It's already happening. If you are expecting some "defining event" one day (as I at one point expected), you will be disappointed. This is a slow train wreck already in progress. The rate of change you see happening is the way it's gonna stay. This exact question has been discussed many times over the couple of years I have been here.
What he said. Just because the poo hasn't splattered exactly the way most around here have fantasized, doesn't mean its not splattering all the same...

Ragnarok | 03-09-2010 10:07 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF The day you go online and every site you visit results in an error message - that is, if you can get online. imo, R.

puller738 | 03-09-2010 10:12 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF The S has already HTF, however most dont realize how severe it really is. There will come a day when the masses wake up and at that point the S will explode.

Goldfinger | 03-09-2010 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by puller738 (Post 2217939) The S has already HTF, however most dont realize how severe it really is. There will come a day when the masses wake up and at that point the S will explode.
Why? What's going to cause this mass abrupt awakening? I guess I'm kinda like Drumblebum, I've changed my view after watching how things transpired since 08. Unless we get some kind of huge natural disaster or the like, its just going to be a slow train wreck. I do think we'll see some continued and likely increased violence, perhaps even a few secessions, but it wont surprise me a bit to still be seeing posts on here five years from now asking when is the :fan:. Kinda hard to see the forrest sometimes for all the trees

andial | 03-09-2010 05:54 PM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF 2008 was the big SHTF opportunity. We had our chance but the bankers/treasury scared enough people with the threat that their pensions/IRA's/401k's/Annuities/other paper retirement/savings funds plus real estate would be wiped out if they didn't O.K. a reflation on the future generations backs. Now we will just have sheepville, no collapse.

Ishkabibble | 03-10-2010 12:59 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF Quote:
Originally Posted by puller738 (Post 2217791) Gerald Celente says the big crash happens this year. He says by the end of the year survivalism will be mainstream. I'm not sure if he will be correct, but I'm not taking any chances. I think you may see some catastrophic event this year which may cause people to panic into supplies required to keep them alive. Somewhere down the road the masses will catch on and when that happens it will happen fast. Get set up now, you can always back off from there.:sleepy13:
When survivalism becomes mainstream, it will be too late for survivalism to help. The collapse will occur when we who expect it cease to be the minority.

Sparky | 03-10-2010 10:26 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumblebum (Post 2217530) It's already happening. If you are expecting some "defining event" one day (as I at one point expected), you will be disappointed. This is a slow train wreck already in progress. The rate of change you see happening is the way it's gonna stay. This exact question has been discussed many times over the couple of years I have been here.
I think your comment is invalid. The primary reason for using the SHTF analogy is that it is NOT like a slow train wreck. One minute the room looks clean. The next minute the room is entirely splattered. If you want to say that there will be no SHTF, but instead there will be a slow train wreck, that's fine. (Although I've never really understood this analogy; what's so slow about a train wreck? But at least I understand what is meant, i.e. you can see it coming but there's too much momentum to stop it.) But I think to say that TS has already HTF is completely invalid.

Saul Mine | 03-10-2010 12:29 PM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF We use the term "TSHTF" because it is a cliché that everybody understands, the punch line of a dumb joke. It does not actually signify anything. In fact, the collapse was assured in 1913 when the Fed was created; it was assured in 1873 when congress passed a law that confused the identity of a dollar; it was assured in 1776 when the colonies gave authority to a central government. Which of these or any other events should we consider "TSHTF"?

Sparky | 03-10-2010 12:50 PM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF TSHTF refers not to the cause, but to the effect. Those things you have identified are causal, not effectual. The expression implies an impending, inevitable disastrous event whose cause may build without visible impact for a prolonged period, but whose ultimate effect is abrupt, widespread, and unmistakable. TSHTF is the culminating event.

gunDriller | 03-10-2010 08:33 PM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF Quote:
Originally Posted by NotMarkk (Post 2217527) I'm about to start a shop with all the cash I've got, I havn't prepared for the SHTF yet and I suspect I'll have enough cash by the end of the year to prepare properly if I do start this shop. So... Do you think I should start the shop ASAP and recoup on my losses, then prepare (4+ months). or should I prepare now and put off the shop for a while? I think we have another 1-3 years left. What do you think?
where is your shop - North Dakota ? there are some areas of the country that still have shoppers with $$. but generally, Jeez - my perception is that TSHTF is not a future tense. it's present tense. it's happening. we got seats on the 50 yard line. :favorites8:

drafter | 03-10-2010 08:45 PM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF My business is doing better this year so far than last year so I'm somewhat optimistic. I figure since I'm moderately prepared for SHTF, it wont happen. If I wasn't prepared I'm sure it would happen immediately. That's just how things seem to go for me. Not that I'm wishing for SHTF or anything, but I guess some preparedness goes a long way in reducing my stress over thinking about it.

Freemarket11 | 03-11-2010 01:49 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF I've noticed there are two ways to look at where and how things have and are changing.. Macro: wallstreet and mega coroporation that are all connected to the government's tits, meaning the numbers are all meaningless and then there is the treasury's revenues and expenditure numbers - which are growing wider by the month. Micro: talk with a business owner you visit as a customer, "all is well but could be better", talk with that same business owner as a personal friend, and you will hear the jist of what is really going on. In my opinion, the small business owner is the barometer of economic well-being in this country. Details matter, traffic on roads, profits in doing business, wages, inflation, prices, attitudes, traffic in bars/restaurants, stores, vacancies, banks, so much to look at to get a picture of what is really going on. How many can see it all for what it is, without personal experience in doing business or working within a field for years to have the foresight of what has changed due to short term or trends, etc... this list really goes on much further, people's openess in public, attitudes... alright now I'm thinking too much.

gypsybiker45 | 03-11-2010 04:42 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF Quote:
Originally Posted by Apparition (Post 2217593) I thinking that there are about 2 to 5 years left. The increase in the US military's aggression towards Iran, China, & Russia should be monitored closely. In addition, the ever-increasing national debt is bound to have some negative economic effect although I'm sure that the Fed is too busy devaluing the dollar by overprinting in order to create a temporary sense of financial security which will only explode at some point. Troubling & worrisome times are inevitably ahead. Oh boy. I hope I'm prepared.
All the power Blocs are posturing , not just the US/Israel/UK bloc, Increased Chinese pushes against Russia, Russia sinking a Chinese ship and other border instances, the Islamic Bloc stirring up Africa. I dont believe there is a single entity behind this.

Saul Mine | 03-11-2010 05:22 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF What business would you start? Even government contracts are going unpaid, especially state governments.

AKBill | 03-11-2010 05:40 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF Start the business I started a surplus store 2 years ago and our sales have grown every year and continue to grow it depends on what your getting your self into. I also have combined prepping and making money should a SHTF event take place my whole store is prepped by the nature of the store

nickelless | 03-11-2010 06:44 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF Stop worrying about when TS will HTF and just ramp up your prepping and related activities. I'm not doing anything differently now than I was a year ago, I'm just doing more of it and at a more rapid pace.

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gunDriller | 03-11-2010 10:04 AM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBill (Post 2221302) Start the business I started a surplus store 2 years ago and our sales have grown every year and continue to grow it depends on what your getting your self into. I also have combined prepping and making money should a SHTF event take place my whole store is prepped by the nature of the store
that's a great concept. as long as your rent is manageable ... e.g. Matt Savinar running LATOC out of his apartment ... on the other hand, i can see problems with that :36_1_25: anyway, sort of like an old-fashioned general store which was also a community center. puts you in the center. as long as you treat people right and manage security super-tight, you have profit-making opportunities presenting themselves all day long. hopefully.

thrifty_bob | 03-11-2010 01:03 PM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF I think they are TRYING to bring us frogs to a boil slowly. Should they succeed, it might be 5 ot 10 years out. Should they lose control, look for it within a few weeks after gasoline and oil imports dry up.

NotMarkk | 03-11-2010 01:45 PM
Re: When do you think the S will HTF Quote:
Originally Posted by gunDriller (Post 2220780) where is your shop - North Dakota ? there are some areas of the country that still have shoppers with $$. but generally, Jeez - my perception is that TSHTF is not a future tense. it's present tense. it's happening. we got seats on the 50 yard line. :favorites8:
Online shop and what I want to get into doesn't have much competition with a good market. Quote:
Start the business I started a surplus store 2 years ago and our sales have grown every year and continue to grow it depends on what your getting your self into. I also have combined prepping and making money should a SHTF event take place my whole store is prepped by the nature of the store
Nice, doing both at the same time would be a good option.

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