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Kahlil Gibran | 06-23-2007 09:04 AM
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Wyldwil | 06-23-2007 10:28 AM
Re: An Armed Society is a Polite Society That's funny. :applause_ My CCW is always in my car at the very least. Before I leave my vehicle, I make a gut-check, and decide if I'll carry outside. About 60% of the time I carry. One place I always carry....is if I need to go inside a bank.

Brio | 06-23-2007 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Wyldwil (Post 644917) That's funny. :applause_ My CCW is always in my car at the very least. Before I leave my vehicle, I make a gut-check, and decide if I'll carry outside. About 60% of the time I carry. One place I always carry....is if I need to go inside a bank.
We aren't allowed to carry at all except in the event of a special permit, then you need a damn good reason and a thorough check by the RCMP, most of the time you're declined. Even a non-concealable weapon requires a special permit to move. Funny thing is, per capita, Canada has 1/10th the gun crime of the US.

platinumdude | 06-23-2007 11:01 AM
Re: An Armed Society is a Polite Society Yeah what about stuff like the O.K Corral.

Ghost Recon | 06-23-2007 11:04 AM
Re: An Armed Society is a Polite Society that animated pic reminds me of when Ohioan's For Concealed Carry get together at a local restaurant. It's billed as the safest place to be in Ohio. And there are the jokes: 'can you imagine if some idiot decided to rob the place'...

mtnman | 06-23-2007 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Brio (Post 644920) We aren't allowed to carry at all except in the event of a special permit, then you need a damn good reason and a thorough check by the RCMP, most of the time you're declined. Even a non-concealable weapon requires a special permit to move. Funny thing is, per capita, Canada has 1/10th the gun crime of the US.
There are also 10 times as many people in the USA! 31,612,897 people in Canada 302,162,229 people in the USA!

Infidel | 06-23-2007 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 644933) Quote:
Originally Posted by Brio Funny thing is, per capita, Canada has 1/10th the gun crime of the US.
There are also 10 times as many people in the USA! 31,612,897 people in Canada 302,162,229 people in the USA!
I guess you missed the per capita part

GoldWampum | 06-23-2007 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Infidel (Post 644943) I guess you missed the per capita part
I don't think he missed it at all. With dense population comes the growth of areas in poverty and hence more crime. Additionally, the original premise was that society be armed and available to snuff the miscreant as a team concept. This is not the case, in that even though arms are legal in the USA, most people do not have them available when needed. Nor do most even know how to handle them safely. A better example might be Sweden, where the ability to have arms and being educated on their use is encouraged. That's where we fail in the USA in my opinion. However this is where the debate is actually missing the point. If one does a survey of several countries based strictly on gun availability, the results are scattered, so there must be a better correlation to explain it. I contend that correlation has more to do with poverty. http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1032.html Quote:
CRIME: Sweden has a relatively low crime rate with rare, but increasing, instances of violent crime. Most crimes involve the theft of personal property from cars or residences or in public areas. Pickpockets and purse-snatchers often work in pairs or groups with one distracting the victim while another grabs valuables. Often they operate in or near major tourist attractions like Stockholm�s Old Town, restaurants, amusement parks, museums, bars, buses, and subway trains. Hotel breakfast rooms and lobbies attract professional, well-dressed thieves who blend in with guests and target purses and briefcases left unguarded by unsuspecting tourists and business travelers. Valuables should not be left unguarded in parked vehicles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden Quote:
Types of crimes reported Of the crimes reported to the authorities in 2003, 53% were of theft-kinds, 13% contact crime,[2] 12% vandalism and destruction, 6% traffic crimes (not including minor incidents), 5% were frauds and 3% narcotics related. It should be noted that many crimes go unreported. According to studies, only 22% of those affected by violence reported the offence to the authorities, and about 50% of those affected by vandalism. Some increases in the statistics are attributed to a higher level of reporting. Most notable increase in the last decade has been contact crimes. The has been attributed to large changes in the Sweden welfare state. Another significant change is an increase in alcohol related crimes, mainly attributed to larger allowed quotas from foreign countries. Homicides In 2003, there were 189 homicides in Sweden.[3] In 2001, there were 169, which gives a rate of circa 2 murders per 100,000 inhabitants. This figure is in line with most European countries, which also have a level of between 1-2. In comparison, the U.S. has 6 murders per 100,000; and Russia: 20.5. Of the level of homicides in capitals, Stockholm is on level with most capitals with around 3 annual homicides per 100,000 inhabitants, although the numbers are hard to compare due to large fluctuations between years. Murders are significantly less common now than in the 19th Century and earlier eras, due to a major reduction of poverty.
I maintain that the root cause for crime is poverty. You can figure by a quick US/Canada comparison or a color/race comparison or any number of other comparisons, but in each case it seems to lead back to the hopelessness of a high density and impoverished population. Go figger. Figgers lie and liars figger, unless one is actually looking to find the root cause and a solution to the problem. Just my nickel's worth.

Wyldwil | 06-23-2007 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Infidel (Post 644943) I guess you missed the per capita part
Thanks. Chaulk it up to Canadians just being nicer people....:D

Kahlil Gibran | 06-23-2007 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Brio (Post 644920) We aren't allowed to carry at all except in the event of a special permit, then you need a damn good reason and a thorough check by the RCMP, most of the time you're declined. Even a non-concealable weapon requires a special permit to move. Funny thing is, per capita, Canada has 1/10th the gun crime of the US.
Application Process The sheriff of a county must issue a permit to carry a weapon concealed to any person who is not disqualified see Idaho Code 18-3302 (a)-(n). An original permit application consists of the completion of the State of Idaho Concealed Weapons License Application form and a complete set of the applicant�s fingerprints. The Bureau of Criminal Identification (BCI) conducts a state record check and forwards the fingerprints to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The FBI conducts a national fingerprint-based record check and returns the result to the sheriff. The required background check takes approximately 90 days to process. http://www.co.boise.id.us/Sheriff/Co...s%20Permit.htm :9536: Here in Idaho they hand them out at the Drivers License office. Very easy process.

RaccoonRiverRadical | 06-23-2007 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Brio (Post 644920) Funny thing is, per capita, Canada has 1/10th the gun crime of the US.
Canadians are some of the most docile, enslaved people on the planet. A Canadian who posts on a place like Stormfront can be arrested and sent to jail.

Brio | 06-23-2007 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldWampum (Post 644978) I don't think he missed it at all. ............... I maintain that the root cause for crime is poverty.
Yes he missed it, and Jeeezus, the US is the richest country in the world, yet you resort to excusing your violence by claiming the impoverished are to blame?

Kahlil Gibran | 06-23-2007 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldWampum (Post 644978) I maintain that the root cause for crime is poverty.
Let's make poverty a crime.

Brio | 06-23-2007 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RaccoonRiverRadical (Post 644995) Canadians are some of the most docile, enslaved people on the planet. A Canadian who posts on a place like Stormfront can be arrested and sent to jail.
You know specifically of a Canadian who has been arrested for doing so?

RaccoonRiverRadical | 06-23-2007 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Brio (Post 645062) You know specifically of a Canadian who has been arrested for doing so?
Yes. And while we are on the subject, let us not forget Zundel.

Kahlil Gibran | 06-23-2007 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Brio (Post 645062) You know specifically of a Canadian who has been arrested for doing so?
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=562742 Canada is Kosherized.

Brio | 06-23-2007 04:12 PM
Re: An Armed Society is a Polite Society Thank you kahlil From the link Quote:
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Docile and enslaved huh? lol

RaccoonRiverRadical | 06-23-2007 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Brio (Post 645067) Thank you kahlil From the link Docile and enslaved huh? lol
That kid certainly isn't docile, and the replacement computer came via a contribution drive on SF. When the Canadian system put its boot on Zundel's freedom of speech how many people protested? maybe a couple of hundred. Those people certainly aren't docile and enslaved. It is perfectly reasonable to state that any country that allows its freedom of individual expression to be outlawed is generally docile and enslaved, even if a few rare individuals stand up for it.

GoldWampum | 06-23-2007 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Brio (Post 645049) Yes he missed it, and Jeeezus, the US is the richest country in the world, yet you resort to excusing your violence by claiming the impoverished are to blame?
First, the "richest country in the world" strawman is just that. It's as empty as a FRN. Now, where did I excuse it? I don't excuse it at all. I think if you actually studied it you would understand that crime, and in particular violent crime, primarily emerges from and correlates to impoverished conditions. I would like to see poverty solved. It is currently not being solved, even as more and more restrictions (prohibitions) and social services abound. I agree there is a violent crime problem in the US. I just differ in what I see as a solutions. So... as far as I am concerned, yes, he missed it.

Kahlil Gibran | 06-23-2007 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Brio (Post 645067) Docile and enslaved huh? lol
http://www.savethemales.ca/001474.html http://www.savethemales.ca/000172.html http://www.savethemales.ca/000293.html

Brio | 06-23-2007 04:32 PM
Re: An Armed Society is a Polite Society So where does your assumption that Canadians are docile and enslaved come from? Zundel was deported by the US for alleged immigration violations and deported to Germany 'as a danger to Canadian security'. You highlight the Canadian aspect, but we both know very well it wouldn't matter if he was Hottentot, he was extradited because he questioned the holocaust.

GoldWampum | 06-23-2007 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Kahlil Gibran (Post 645061) Let's make poverty a crime.
:rofl: :rofl: Yes that. Or bring our debt expenditures (foreign giveaways) home and build a real economy based on value, with which to encourage free trade for both domestic and foreign goods. That would be a start.:9536:

Brio | 06-23-2007 04:36 PM
Re: An Armed Society is a Polite Society Kahlil thank you for the links, but I despise makow.

Kahlil Gibran | 06-23-2007 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Brio (Post 645075) So where does your assumption that Canadians are docile and enslaved come from? Zundel was deported by the US for alleged immigration violations and deported to Germany 'as a danger to Canadian security'. You highlight the Canadian aspect, but we both know very well it wouldn't matter if he was Hottentot, he was extradited because he questioned the holocaust.
Attachment 29980 as a danger to Canadian security

Kahlil Gibran | 06-23-2007 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Brio (Post 645077) Kahlil thank you for the links, but I despise makow.
I do too. I even emailed him and told him why. :beer:

Brio | 06-23-2007 04:44 PM
Re: An Armed Society is a Polite Society :coolbeer: Our old $50 bill had a pic of Mounties all on horseback in a circle and pointing their lances to the centre. We called it the Ukranian firing squad. lol

Kahlil Gibran | 06-23-2007 04:48 PM
Re: An Armed Society is a Polite Society I lived in Vancouver and Calgary in the '80s. I'm just funnin with ya. :playingba

RaccoonRiverRadical | 06-23-2007 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Brio (Post 645075) So where does your assumption that Canadians are docile and enslaved come from? Zundel was deported by the US for alleged immigration violations and deported to Germany 'as a danger to Canadian security'. You highlight the Canadian aspect, but we both know very well it wouldn't matter if he was Hottentot, he was extradited because he questioned the holocaust.
I concede the point: both Canadians and Americans are docile and enslaved.

Kahlil Gibran | 06-23-2007 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RaccoonRiverRadical (Post 645090) I concede the point here: both Canadians and Americans are docile and enslaved.
Attachment 29981 :beer: Agreed.

Brio | 06-23-2007 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RaccoonRiverRadical (Post 645090) I concede the point: both Canadians and Americans are docile and enslaved.
Wish I could argue that but I can't. :banghead:

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Brio | 06-23-2007 05:02 PM
Re: An Armed Society is a Polite Society Nothing left to do but :coolbeer:

Kahlil Gibran | 06-23-2007 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Brio (Post 645095) Nothing left to do but :coolbeer:
Attachment 29982 Might as well vote at the same time... :cheers: once they tell us who for

RaccoonRiverRadical | 06-23-2007 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Brio (Post 645095) Nothing left to do but :coolbeer:
It is hard to argue with agreement. :coolbeer:

chewy | 06-24-2007 04:30 PM
Re: An Armed Society is a Polite Society I've always noticed that. How polite people are when everyone is packing. It's refreshing. I've seen an idiot who was getting out of hand calm right down when he spied a gentleman with a pistol in his holster. Amazing how that works. :D

extremist | 06-24-2007 05:19 PM
Re: An Armed Society is a Polite Society I guess some people haven't been to gang territory... over here, a polite person is an unarmed person.

chewy | 06-24-2007 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by extremist (Post 645608) I guess some people haven't been to gang territory... over here, a polite person is an unarmed person.
I was talking about human's. :D

extremist | 06-24-2007 06:52 PM
Re: An Armed Society is a Polite Society Subhumans own guns, and train with them, too. A recent article in Concealed Carry magazine described how gang members practice a lot more and are better skilled shooters than the average gun owner, since gang members need shooting ability to stay alive.

GoldWampum | 06-24-2007 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by extremist (Post 645675) Subhumans own guns, and train with them, too. A recent article in Concealed Carry magazine described how gang members practice a lot more and are better skilled shooters than the average gun owner, since gang members need shooting ability to stay alive.
All the more reason to carry one and practice with it.

electric-amish | 06-24-2007 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by extremist (Post 645675) Subhumans own guns, and train with them, too. A recent article in Concealed Carry magazine described how gang members practice a lot more and are better skilled shooters than the average gun owner, since gang members need shooting ability to stay alive.
Wow I never would have thought that. It makes sense but still its hard to think they are joining shooting ranges in groups. Its also hard to believe they are practicing in the hood. E-A

extremist | 06-24-2007 11:44 PM
Re: An Armed Society is a Polite Society The point is that guns mainly help keep polite people polite. Guns won't do much to civilize the armed impolite.

Unclad Lad | 06-25-2007 12:12 AM
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A recent article in Concealed Carry magazine described how gang members practice a lot more and are better skilled shooters than the average gun owner, since gang members need shooting ability to stay alive.
That, and it's a lot harder to hit your your target when you're holding your Glock Fo-Tay over your head and sideways like your favorite Hollywood OG.

extremist | 06-25-2007 12:17 AM
Re: An Armed Society is a Polite Society You gots to get you some of these for your fitty-kebbeh 9: http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-co....thumbnail.jpg

Brio | 06-25-2007 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Fiat Mutiny (Post 645517) Seems you have 1/10 of certain ethnicities prone to violence in your country as well. You'd be wanting some boom sticks real fast if you had these types of neighbors. It's very hard to relate to us "gun-crazed Americans" until you live near a section 8 apartment building. These people knock on your door in gangs and then bust in when you politely answer, raping your wife and helping themselves to your valuables, then killing you. Except when you put a gun in their face and politely tell them to leave or die.
I'm an advocate of gun control in the right circumstances. Our government treats anybody that has a registered weapon as criminals. It is an indication of the societal state that requires people to have to defend themselves with what was originally intended as a survival tool, not a necessary self-defense tool. Guns were not meant as an accouterment, no society should have to resort to such extremes, if they have there is something wrong with that society. I have livestock, I have other people's uncontrolled 'pets' chasing deer and moose through my fences, yet the gov says I must be subjected to criminal probes if I intend to have the means to stop the neighbor's dog packs from running my animals through fences. THAT is what rifles were intended for, not for packing to the local coffee shop. There really do exist places where people do not have to pack to be safe.

eyeofliberty | 06-25-2007 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Unclad Lad (Post 645833) That, and it's a lot harder to hit your your target when you're holding your Glock Fo-Tay over your head and sideways like your favorite Hollywood OG.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Hah, no doubt!

mtnman | 06-25-2007 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Brio (Post 646098) I'm an advocate of gun control in the right circumstances. Our government treats anybody that has a registered weapon as criminals. It is an indication of the societal state that requires people to have to defend themselves with what was originally intended as a survival tool, not a necessary self-defense tool. Guns were not meant as an accouterment, no society should have to resort to such extremes, if they have there is something wrong with that society. I have livestock, I have other people's uncontrolled 'pets' chasing deer and moose through my fences, yet the gov says I must be subjected to criminal probes if I intend to have the means to stop the neighbor's dog packs from running my animals through fences. THAT is what rifles were intended for, not for packing to the local coffee shop. There really do exist places where people do not have to pack to be safe.
The main reason for having a rifle is to protect yourself from an out of control GOVERNMENT!!! That is the ONLY reason for the second amendment!!!

mtnman | 06-25-2007 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ZincBulli (Post 645819) Yeah, that happens all the time.....lol
What color is the sky in your world? Home invasions happen across the US daily! Read a newspaper once in a while.

Kahlil Gibran | 06-25-2007 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Brio (Post 646098) I'm an advocate of gun control in the right circumstances. Our government treats anybody that has a registered weapon as criminals. It is an indication of the societal state that requires people to have to defend themselves with what was originally intended as a survival tool, not a necessary self-defense tool. Guns were not meant as an accouterment, no society should have to resort to such extremes, if they have there is something wrong with that society.
Attachment 30038 accoutrement :smile: for gun control use both hands

chewy | 06-25-2007 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 646190) What color is the sky in your world? Home invasions happen across the US daily! Read a newspaper once in a while.
Yep, and some of them are not even reported. It's quite common for people in the Vietnamese community to suffer a home invasion and not report it for fear of reprisal. I haven't lived in California for three years but I noticed back then the news media was not really reporting home invasions with the sensationalism that they previously had. Apparently it was 'old' news and if someone wasn't killed or raped it barely got a mention.

azxcvbnm321 | 06-25-2007 03:09 PM
Re: An Armed Society is a Polite Society And the police can't be everywhere. Usually, the police come AFTER THE FACT, when it's too late. You've already been robbed or worse. The police write a report and move on to the next crime where they write a report. Gun control is senseless and doesn't work because the theory is divorced from reality. It would be nice if everyone would turn in their guns, but unfortunately, criminals have the bad habit of not obeying the law. So when you have gun control in an area, the only people who will obey and turn in their guns are law abiding citizens who aren't the ones using their guns in crimes anyway. They also happen to be the ones who are most likely to stop a dangerous criminal when things get out of hand. Remember the Virginia Tech shooting? The state of Virginia allows concealed weapons, but the university decided to ban all guns from campus a year ago. Virginia Tech has a large ex-military student body, people who know how to use a firearm and are trained in tactics. There is absolutely no way the killer could have killed 2 people, then take a two hour break to mail his package, and return to campus to kill again. At the very least he would have faced resistance in the 2nd shooting, and would have had to take cover instead of walking from classroom to classroom. Quote:
�Jan. 16, 2002: Graduate student Peter Odighizuwa, 42, recently dismissed from Virginia's Appalachian School of Law, returns to campus and kills the dean, a professor and a student before being tackled by students. The attack also wounds three female students.
What's not mentioned, and perhaps deliberately, is that he was stopped when another student pulled out his gun and told Odighizuwa to drop his. Odighizuwa was "tackled" only after having a gun trained on him by someone else. Without that other person with a gun, Odighizuwa would not have been stopped, and could have killed more people. In fact, only a few newspapers mentioned that he was stopped by another person wielding a gun. The vast majority just simply failed to report that important fact, another big example of liberal bias in the media. Most of those media types want a total ban on guns, and won't report any story that shows guns to be used in defense to stop criminals. Don't buy into the propaganda. Final point, guns in the hands of citizens insures that the government remains responsive to the people It is impossible for a small group to stage a coup and take control of the nation like it is with other countries. We know what would happen if President Bush declared himself President for Life.

Fiat Mutiny | 06-25-2007 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 646183) The main reason for having a rifle is to protect yourself from an out of control GOVERNMENT!!! That is the ONLY reason for the second amendment!!!
That is what the founding fathers intended. The last line of defense in the system of checks and balances. Any other interpretation of the 2nd ammendment is not well researched.

<SLV> | 06-25-2007 06:19 PM
Re: An Armed Society is a Polite Society A friend of our family was murdered in Canada by a vagrant man who hit her in the head 35 times with a carpenters hammer until her skull was completely crushed. There aren't a lot of guns in Canada. I wonder what the gun crime rate is PER GUN in Canada versus the gun crime rate PER GUN in the USA. I'd be willing to bet that the Canada's gun crime rate would be at least TWICE the USA's when measured against the total guns in circulation.

GoldWampum | 06-25-2007 07:31 PM
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Happiness is a warm gun.
:s9: :9536:

1919A6 | 06-25-2007 07:55 PM
In Canada, one First Nation individual murdering another First Nation individual is listed as Natural Causes!

extremist | 06-25-2007 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 646523) There aren't a lot of guns in Canada. I wonder what the gun crime rate is PER GUN in Canada versus the gun crime rate PER GUN in the USA. I'd be willing to bet that the Canada's gun crime rate would be at least TWICE the USA's when measured against the total guns in circulation.
Guns per person: 0.24 in Canada vs. 0.81 in USA Gun homicides per 100,000: 0.7 in Canada vs. 5.7 in USA Thus, the USA has only about 3.4 times more guns per person, yet 8.1 times the gun-homicide rate. Source: http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa030500c.htm (for a particular time period).

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