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BAD BAMA | 02-22-2007 07:41 PM
GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS HTML Code: `110th U.S. Congress (2007-2008) H.R. 1022: To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes HR 1022 IH 110th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 1022 To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES February 13, 2007 Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A BILL To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the `Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007'. SEC. 2. REINSTATEMENT FOR 10 YEARS OF REPEALED CRIMINAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO ASSAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES. (a) Reinstatement of Provisions Wholly Repealed- Paragraphs (30) and (31) of section 921(a), subsections (v) and (w) and Appendix A of section 922, and the last 2 sentences of section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, as in effect just before the repeal made by section 110105(2) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, are hereby enacted into law. (b) Reinstatement of Provisions Partially Repealed- Section 924 of title 18, United States Code, is amended-- (1) in subsection (a)(1), by striking subparagraph (B) and inserting the following: `(B) knowingly violates subsection (a)(4), (f), (k), (r), (v), or (w) of section 922;'; and (2) in subsection (c)(1)(B), by striking clause (i) and inserting the following: `(i) is a short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun, or semiautomatic assault weapon, the person shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 10 years; or'. SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS. (a) In General- Section 921(a)(30) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended to read as follows: `(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following: `(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof: `(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR; `(ii) AR-10; `(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR; `(iv) AR70; `(v) Calico Liberty; `(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU; `(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC; `(viii) Hi-Point Carbine; `(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1; `(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; `(xi) M1 Carbine; `(xii) Saiga; `(xiii) SAR-8, SAR-4800; `(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine; `(xv) SLG 95; `(xvi) SLR 95 or 96; `(xvii) Steyr AUG; `(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14; `(xix) Tavor; `(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or `(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz). `(B) The following pistols or copies or duplicates thereof: `(i) Calico M-110; `(ii) MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3; `(iii) Olympic Arms OA; `(iv) TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10; or `(v) Uzi. `(C) The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof: `(i) Armscor 30 BG; `(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12; `(iii) Striker 12; or `(iv) Streetsweeper. `(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has-- `(i) a folding or telescoping stock; `(ii) a threaded barrel; `(iii) a pistol grip; `(iv) a forward grip; or `(v) a barrel shroud. `(E)(i) Except as provided in clause (ii), a semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds. `(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition. `(F) A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has-- `(i) a second pistol grip; `(ii) a threaded barrel; `(iii) a barrel shroud; or `(iv) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at a location outside of the pistol grip. `(G) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds. `(H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has-- `(i) a folding or telescoping stock; `(ii) a pistol grip; `(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or `(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds. `(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder. `(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or based substantially on the frame or receiver of, a firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (I) or (L). `(K) A conversion kit. `(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'. (b) Related Definitions- Section 921(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following: `(36) Barrel Shroud- The term `barrel shroud' means a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel of a firearm so that the shroud protects the user of the firearm from heat generated by the barrel, but does not include a slide that encloses the barrel, and does not include an extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel which does not encircle or substantially encircle the barrel. `(37) Conversion Kit- The term `conversion kit' means any part or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a firearm into a semiautomatic assault weapon, and any combination of parts from which a semiautomatic assault weapon can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under the control of a person. `(38) Detachable Magazine- The term `detachable magazine' means an ammunition feeding device that can readily be inserted into a firearm. `(39) Fixed Magazine- The term `fixed magazine' means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm. `(40) Folding or Telescoping Stock- The term `folding or telescoping stock' means a stock that folds, telescopes, or otherwise operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability, of a firearm. `(41) Forward Grip- The term `forward grip' means a grip located forward of the trigger that functions as a pistol grip. `(42) Pistol Grip- The term `pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip. `(43) Threaded Barrel- The term `threaded barrel' means a feature or characteristic that is designed in such a manner to allow for the attachment of a firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. 5845(a)).'. SEC. 4. GRANDFATHER PROVISION. Section 922(v)(2) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended-- (1) by inserting `(A)' after `(2)'; and (2) by adding after and below the end the following: `(B) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm the possession or transfer of which would (but for this subparagraph) be unlawful by reason of this subsection, and which is otherwise lawfully possessed on the date of the enactment of this subparagraph.'. SEC. 5. REPEAL OF CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS. Section 922(v)(3) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking `(3)' and all that follows through the 1st sentence and inserting the following: `(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that-- `(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, level, or slide action; `(B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or `(C) is an antique firearm.'. SEC. 6. REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR THE TRANSFER OF LAWFULLY POSSESSED SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS. Section 922(v) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following: `(5) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer a semiautomatic assault weapon to which paragraph (1) does not apply, except through-- `(A) a licensed dealer, and for purposes of subsection (t) in the case of such a transfer, the weapon shall be considered to be transferred from the business inventory of the licensed dealer and the dealer shall be considered to be the transferor; or `(B) a State or local law enforcement agency if the transfer is made in accordance with the procedures provided for in subsection (t) of this section and section 923(g). `(6) The Attorney General shall establish and maintain, in a timely manner, a record of the make, model, and date of manufacture of any semiautomatic assault weapon which the Attorney General is made aware has been used in relation to a crime under Federal or State law, and the nature and circumstances of the crime involved, including the outcome of relevant criminal investigations and proceedings. The Attorney General shall annually submit the record to the Congress and make the record available to the general public.'. SEC. 7. STRENGTHENING THE BAN ON THE POSSESSION OR TRANSFER OF A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE. (a) Ban on Transfer of Semiautomatic Assault Weapon With Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device- (1) IN GENERAL- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after subsection (y) the following: `(z) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer any assault weapon with a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'. (2) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following: `(8) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(z) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.'. (b) Certification Requirement- (1) IN GENERAL- Section 922(w) of such title, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended-- (A) in paragraph (3)-- (i) by adding `or' at the end of subparagraph (B); and (ii) by striking subparagraph (C) and redesignating subparagraph (D) as subparagraph (C); and (B) by striking paragraph (4) and inserting the following: `(4) It shall be unlawful for a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer who transfers a large capacity ammunition feeding device that was manufactured on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection, to fail to certify to the Attorney General before the end of the 60-day period that begins with the date of the transfer, in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Attorney General, that the device was manufactured on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection.'. (2) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title, as amended by subsection (a)(2) of this section, is amended by adding at the end the following: `(9) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(w)(4) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.'. SEC. 8. UNLAWFUL WEAPONS TRANSFERS TO JUVENILES. Section 922(x) of title 18, United States Code, is amended-- (1) in paragraph (1)-- (A) in subparagraph (B), by striking the period and inserting a semicolon; and (B) by adding at the end the following: `(C) a semiautomatic assault weapon; or `(D) a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'; and (2) in paragraph (2)-- (A) in subparagraph (B), by striking the period and inserting a semicolon; and (B) by adding at the end the following: `(C) a semiautomatic assault weapon; or `(D) a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'. SEC. 9. BAN ON IMPORTATION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE. (a) In General- Section 922(w) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended-- (1) in paragraph (1), by striking `(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2)' and inserting `(1)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B)'; (2) in paragraph (2), by striking `(2) Paragraph (1)' and inserting `(B) Subparagraph (A)'; and (3) by inserting before paragraph (3) the following: `(2) It shall be unlawful for any person to import or bring into the United States a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'. (b) Conforming Amendment- Section 921(a)(31)(A) of such title, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking `manufactured after the date of enactment of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994'. GovTrack is not affiliated with the U.S. government or any other group. You are encouraged to reuse any material on this site. For more information, see About GovTrack. 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AgAuGal | 02-22-2007 07:53 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Some GIMers may want to look at the list of guns they plan to ban. Not sure I read when this will be voted on. high velocity tool show this weekend, wonder what I should buy. bushmaster toooo big fo little ol me.

REV127 | 02-22-2007 08:25 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS My wife likes her Sub-2000. It's reliable, compact, light weight, low recoil, accurate and good out to 100 yards. The downside is it fires a pistol caliber, either .40sw or 9mm. The good news is the longer barrel makes for extra speed which means a little more power than what you'd get shooting the same round out of a pistol. You can even get a version that will use the same magazines as your pistol if you buy both in the same caliber. Anyway, stuff like this gets introduced constantly. Most never makes it out of comittee. You'll drive yourself bonkers trying to keep track of it all, which is probably the point. I would lean towards just accepting that we live in a psycho police state where pretty much anything you like will eventually be illegal and with that in mind go about and buy all the guns, ammo, magazines and other toys you want while they're still available. We're probably a couple years away from another ban, but who really knows? I'll accept any reason to justify buying a gun I want. :emotions16:

noelephant | 02-22-2007 08:37 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS I have a Sub-2000 in 9mm on order. They seem to be pretty hard to get. Hopefully I'll get it before the spring. :) I think you could fold the thing up and throw it in a breifcase. :9536:

REV127 | 02-22-2007 09:13 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Yeah, the Sub's are unbelievably small when folded, much smaller than a folding stocked rifle with a 16" barrel even. You can throw them right in your laptop bag or whatever and cruise on down the street with nobody the wiser. It's a slick little carbine. The Bible says you're not supposed to covet another man's wife, but what about your own wife's guns? They are kind of rare right now, I hear that's because Kel-Tec's resources are being poured into the PF-9 and their new bullpup rifle. That last one looks pretty sweet, too. Weird ejection system though, it spits spent shells forward through a tube that runs parallel to the barrel.

Satyr | 02-22-2007 09:28 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS See, right now I'm torn between buying more silver nad buying an AR-15. The only place I'd really take the thing to shoot it would be an outdoor range. Sadly, there's only one that still exists near me that isn't too bad to drive to, but still a decent hike. So, I wouldn't really get much use out of it. I'm afraid it would turn into more of a conversation piece than anything else. In fact, I think I have just convinced myself to buy more silver. I'm glad we had this talk :cool2: I did, however, order a couple more 16 rd mags for the CZ :banana:

sindgefallen | 02-23-2007 03:00 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Get something good because soon everything will be completely outlawed and then we will be rounded up to be put in the labor camps. Seriously...........I'm scared.:sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep:

mtnman | 02-23-2007 09:20 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by sindgefallen (Post 519162) Get something good because soon everything will be completely outlawed and then we will be rounded up to be put in the labor camps. Seriously...........I'm scared.:sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep:
You can only be rounded-up if you lay down your rifle. As long as your pulling the trigger you are a free man.

REV127 | 02-23-2007 10:13 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS I don't much care for AR's but the Robinson Armament XCR has my attention as an alternative. Among other features it can be converted from 5.56 to 6.8 to 7.62x39. http://www.robarm.com/xcrtm_modular_weapon_system.htm

Big_Rob | 02-23-2007 10:21 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS I said this would happen before the elections. Democrats are anti-gun, if you voted for a Democrat just to spite the Republicans don't be surprised when stuff like this happens.

<SLV> | 02-23-2007 10:28 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 519415) I don't much care for AR's but the Robinson Armament XCR has my attention as an alternative. Among other features it can be converted from 5.56 to 6.8 to 7.62x39. http://www.robarm.com/xcrtm_modular_weapon_system.htm
Kinda pricey.

REV127 | 02-23-2007 10:45 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Price is relative. If you actually spec'ed out a standard AR-15 of decent quality like a Bushmaster to build a rifle roughly equivalent to the XCR you'd go way over the XCR's price. Actually just converting the AR-15 to a gas piston driven configuration would do that.

Goldfinger | 02-23-2007 10:46 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS I think that's Carolyn McCarthy. She wants to be first in line to wipe her a$$ on the 2nd amendment and is constantly trying to push through gun legislation. Nothing new there.

REV127 | 02-23-2007 10:56 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Aside from Ron Paul I can't think of any politicians who give a darn about our rights.

Big_Rob | 02-23-2007 11:06 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 519462) Aside from Ron Paul I can't think of any politicians who give a darn about our rights.
Ron Paul for President!!!!

Fiat Mutiny | 02-23-2007 11:12 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman (Post 519359) As long as your pulling the trigger you are a free man.
That's one of the best lines I've ever heard. I'll put that up against "Give me Liberty or give me Death" anyday.

MOD1 | 02-23-2007 11:42 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Our electedpoliticians have never seen a gun bill that they didn't like. :censored: I would postpone purchase of PMs in favor of weapons and weapons training. Weapons and training are necessary for the security of yourself and your loved ones. :smile: Buy, buy, buy! :bath: Mod1

silverbullet | 02-23-2007 11:59 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS I think I'm good as far as guns and magazines go. (though I'd still like to get my hands on that M1 Carbine, but that's another story) Right now, my focus is on ammo. Not only is the price skyrocketing, I can see the dems restricting that soon, too. Grab it while you can.

Abouthadit | 02-23-2007 12:11 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldfinger (Post 519451) I think that's Carolyn McCarthy. She wants to be first in line to wipe her a$$ on the 2nd amendment and is constantly trying to push through gun legislation. Nothing new there.
We should find a source of toilet paper printed with the Constitution and send it to little miss socialist. and McCain, and the taxachusetts drunk, and chuckie schumer, and little dick "turban" durbin, crap don't get me started. :haha: :mad:

pusher | 02-23-2007 12:15 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by Abouthadit (Post 519573) We should find a source of toilet paper printed with the Constitution and send it to little miss socialist. and McCain, and the taxachusetts drunk, and chuckie schumer, and little dick "turban" durbin, crap don't get me started. :haha: :mad:
You are assuming they know how to read?

Abouthadit | 02-23-2007 12:26 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by pusher (Post 519576) You are assuming they know how to read?
Of course not silly. They dont read, they only wipe. :hahaha: :haha:

REV127 | 02-23-2007 12:48 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Rob Arms gets a bad rep from some people but they aren't really crooks, they're just a small company that has had a tendency to bite off more than they can chew. They are also dependent on others, like Molot and various American-sourced parts for the XCR. While I'd like to see them scale their business to where everything is moving along smoothly, I don't need them to support my weapon. The Chinese aren't supporting my MAK-90, either. The first rule of survival firearms is buy everything you need right now while it's available. Besides, the XCR shoots 5.56 right now and I've seen them at gunshows. Tangible product, if somewhat rare. Not quite the same as a pipe dream. What I really want though is an AK or RK chambered in 6.5x39. I don't mind having to roll my own ammo but time and money are factors.

Darkside | 02-23-2007 01:42 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Bah, it's been too late for me since 1994. The so-called assault ban ban has remained in my state despite the federal version expiring.

REV127 | 02-23-2007 01:57 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Ick! No 6.5 Romy for me! Well, certainly not a WASR anyway. If you got a "good" SAR-1, refinished it and replaced the trigger group you'd end up with a decent enough AK, many of the SAR's were good shooters too. Still not the overall quality I'm looking for. A Saiga or Global Trade 1.6mm would be more acceptable stamped platforms for me. For my 6.5 project I'll be going with a milled reciever. I like TFL's milled sidefolder, except for the cheesey logo on the side but that can be filled in. I had the 6.5 Grendel and 6.5x39 confused some time ago, actually I think you cleared that up for me. I'm up to my eyeballs in AK mags, the vast majority were bought for under $3 when Sportsman's Guide was having a supersale a year or two ago. Anyway, my main reason for switching calibers is the prevelance of armor these days. The 6.5x39 isn't going to pierce armor any better, but it will be a little more accurate and shoot a little flatter than the 7.62x39, so that will make hit exposed areas at longer ranges easier. AFAIK 6.5x39 isn't classified as pistol ammo either so unlike 7.62x39 there shouldn't be any issues with rolling my own AP. Lighter ammo doesn't hurt, either. 5.56x45 isn't my favorite round and not much use in my woods, but it is common and I can foresee ending up with much of this ammo and a great quantity of AR mags. I just hate the rifle originally designed to use them. Nothing like getting a jet of gas in your eye when you're trying to engage multiple targets and having your vision go blurry, never mind the fickle nature of the design itself. I've used everything from the FN's to the Colt's and Bushmasters, the Bushmaster performed the best but as a man who can have the rifle of his choice that platform just isn't going to make my list. It works well enough I suppose, but it really isn't a world class rifle.

SAUM | 02-23-2007 06:05 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS I'm thinking about picking up an AR and at least one more AK. In fact if I hadn't just had a head on collision with a stupid assed terrorist deer I would be placing an order today. Question on the ARs; how interchangeable are calibers? Is it just a matter of barrel swaps or is there more to it like ejectors etc?

mjk1971 | 02-23-2007 11:42 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by sindgefallen (Post 519162) Get something good because soon everything will be completely outlawed and then we will be rounded up to be put in the labor camps. Seriously...........I'm scared.:sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: :sheep:
My grandma lived through the Ukrainian Famine, and saw family members go to Siberia. I ain't going to no fu**ing concentration camp! :pissedoff:

REV127 | 02-25-2007 04:28 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by SAUM (Post 520037) I'm thinking about picking up an AR and at least one more AK. In fact if I hadn't just had a head on collision with a stupid assed terrorist deer I would be placing an order today. Question on the ARs; how interchangeable are calibers? Is it just a matter of barrel swaps or is there more to it like ejectors etc?
You can't easily swap the barrel on a standard AR unless you swap the whole upper reciever. Depending on what caliber you're swapping to you'll have to use a different bolt, too. You'll have to install magwell gimmicks for pistol calibers and .22lr conversions, the stock magwell will not work for .50bmg. .50 Beowolf will work, but it is more in the .45-70 class than the .50bmg class. 6.8 will also work, as will others of similar size. At any rate it generally isn't anything too terribly challenging.

sammydogs64 | 02-25-2007 07:02 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS How do we prove we purchased are sporting rifle prior to the ban? Do we need to carry our reciept with us where ever we go with one? What's to stop an overzelous cop from throwing our asses in jail because he see a so called "assualt weapon" and thinks "banned" this guy must be a criminal.

Goldfinger | 02-25-2007 07:32 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS FWIW...i went to National Gun Day yesterday and had a few interesting observations and conversations. First off, it looked like a big turn out. It was very crowded, moreso than usual it seemed, but maybe that was just because a couple of other things were going on too. Anyway, everyone was talking about '08. I myself was there to stock up on ammo. I was looking for some Golden Tiger or Brown Bear 7.62x39. I only found one table that had either in a full case. He was running kinda low so I bought a couple cases and had him hold it for me until I was done looking around. He had three left. About 30 mins later I come back and they're all sold out. The guy said he sold more 7.62x39 and .223 ammo at that show than he could ever remember. I was also looking around for some decent .308 deals...there was none. When I talked to a couple guys that had high cap mags...same story. Selling them like hot cakes. Obviously nothing earth shattering or unexpected here really, but everyone seems to know that a storm is brewing.

REV127 | 02-25-2007 08:03 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydogs64 (Post 521959) How do we prove we purchased are sporting rifle prior to the ban? Do we need to carry our reciept with us where ever we go with one? What's to stop an overzelous cop from throwing our asses in jail because he see a so called "assualt weapon" and thinks "banned" this guy must be a criminal.
There is nothing to keep you from being arrested by an idiot cop. If you can present your actual rifle as evidence at a trial, however, the serial number will prove when it was made. If they swap your rifle for an illegal one of their choosing and say it was yours, you're screwed. FWIW, I read a post from a pro-gun lawyer who had tried to search for a case where an individual was arrested for violation of the AWB as a primary charge and he found none, anywhere. I think there may have been one or two instances where somebody was arrested for something else and that charge was tacked on. Most cops are not gun people and most gun people don't know much about guns either. It is very doubtful that that the average person could specifically tell whether your gun was ban compliant or not at a glance, even though it may seem obvious to you or I. Most people either wouldn't have a clue or would think that all scary looking guns were banned. In practice I wouldn't worry about it. Either nobody will care or a stormtrooper's boot will be pinning your neck to the ground. One thing's for sure, you cannot appease the federalists no matter what you do.

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Masonic Plot | 02-25-2007 10:27 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Assult weapons ban bills like the one mentioned here are introduced in congress all the time by special interest liberals. Its really nothing to be worried about yet. Although it is something to plan for come 2008 if Hillarity is elected. Nothing will likely happen before then though and I am not altogether convinced they will ever ban them again, its a different world now than it was in 94, but then again, disarment seems to be the NWO agenda, so who knows.

Goldfinger | 02-26-2007 12:04 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by Masonic Plot (Post 522253) Assult weapons ban bills like the one mentioned here are introduced in congress all the time by special interest liberals. Its really nothing to be worried about yet. Although it is something to plan for come 2008 if Hillarity is elected. Nothing will likely happen before then though and I am not altogether convinced they will ever ban them again, its a different world now than it was in 94, but then again, disarment seems to be the NWO agenda, so who knows.
I don't think it really matters if its Hillary or not. Each of the other front runners Giuliani, McCain, Obama and Edwards are gun control advocates.

Yeller' | 03-01-2007 08:01 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by Satyr (Post 518930) See, right now I'm torn between buying more silver nad buying an AR-15.
Nooooo... not good. All able-bodied American men should have at least one reliable hi-cap assault weapon with several clips, spare parts, at least 1000 rds of ammo. Period. If it's an AR... then Bushmaster, Colt, or Armalite. No cheap crap.. Just my opinion. Silver is great, but it won't protect you, your children, and your loved ones from the coming government tyranny, or looters, or a pissed off hungry teenager with a powerful BB gun, or... or... ...from taking every single pretty silver coin you've saved to buy. #1 priority- water (by a long shot) #2 priority- food #3 priority - defense #4 priority - shelter THEN stock up on gold/silver. What does it matter how much gold and silver you have when any yahoo off the street can come and take it with a pair of brass knuckles? Get a good quality, high cap, main battle rifle, if you're smart... you'll buy 2 identical ones to have one as a backup. Just my opinion.

mjk1971 | 03-01-2007 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Yeller' (Post 526348) Nooooo... not good. All able-bodied American men should have at least one reliable hi-cap assault weapon with several clips, spare parts, at least 1000 rds of ammo. Period. If it's an AR... then Bushmaster, Colt, or Armalite. No cheap crap.. Just my opinion. Silver is great, but it won't protect you, your children, and your loved ones from the coming government tyranny, or looters, or a pissed off hungry teenager with a powerful BB gun, or... or... ...from taking every single pretty silver coin you've saved to buy. #1 priority- water (by a long shot) #2 priority- food #3 priority - defense #4 priority - shelter THEN stock up on gold/silver. What does it matter how much gold and silver you have when any yahoo off the street can come and take it with a pair of brass knuckles? Get a good quality, high cap, main battle rifle, if you're smart... you'll buy 2 identical ones to have one as a backup. Just my opinion.
I'd dare say that WEAPONS (and ammo!) are the most important SHTF survival item. You can have ten years' worth of water & food stored, but if the guy down the street shoots you dead, what worth is it? If you have guns, you can TAKE what you need, if need be. And you certainly can maintain control of what you do have, including metals! As for "assault weapons," care to explain what those are? Only people I know who use that term seriously are Leftists, such as those in charge here in the People's Republik of Kalifornia.

Yeller' | 03-01-2007 08:14 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Sorry satyr... After reading the thread again, it appears as though you may have a bunch of guns already. For some reason I just thought "heres a guy with a bunch of silver and no gun". If that's not the case, sorry for jumping to conclusions. :s13:

Yeller' | 03-01-2007 08:27 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by mjk1971 (Post 526359) If you have guns, you can TAKE what you need, if need be. And you certainly can maintain control of what you do have, including metals!
I agree with the second sentence, but the first sentence will get your ass shot dead in 1.2 seconds around here. Protecting what you have is one thing. Taking from those better prepared than you by force is completely thuggish and deserves a scoped 30.06 to the head. Followed by being hung by the main road with entrails hanging out and a "LOOTER" sign nailed to their head with a railroad spike. End of subject. Please tell me that's not what you meant... Quote:
Originally Posted by mjk1971 (Post 526359) As for "assault weapons," care to explain what those are? Only people I know who use that term seriously are Leftists, such as those in charge here in the People's Republik of Kalifornia.
First off.. My political views are somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun. I don't care how conservative you are... you're to the left of me. Secondly, dude... I'm in Tennessee, and your in Kalifornia. You're in hell and I'm in heaven as far as gun control goes. Why anyone with a half a brain remains in that Godforsaken Communist faggot hellhole of Insanity is beyond me. Bad choice of words with my "assault weapon" wording perhaps. My bad... but everybody knows what I meant... Any gun capable of kicking ass and taking names.

Yeller' | 03-01-2007 08:28 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Somebody edited their original post.........

Kahlil Gibran | 03-01-2007 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Yeller' (Post 526348) All able-bodied American men should have at least one reliable hi-cap assault weapon with several clips, spare parts, at least 1000 rds of ammo. Period.
:beer: Yeller is just plain speaking common sense. I agree with it all.

mjk1971 | 03-01-2007 09:00 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by Yeller' (Post 526371) I agree with the second sentence, but the first sentence will get your ass shot dead in 1.2 seconds around here. Protecting what you have is one thing. Taking from those better prepared than you by force is completely thuggish and deserves a scoped 30.06 to the head. Followed by being hung by the main road with entrails hanging out and a "LOOTER" sign nailed to their head with a railroad spike. End of subject. Please tell me that's not what you meant...
What I mean is that if my kids need, say, a medication that will save their life, I will KILL anyone to get it. I'd much, much prefer trading first, but if the answer is no... There is only so much preparation possible. I'm not talking about looting Tee-Vees from the Walgreens in the French Quarter. There are many items that are simply impractical to have, or have in sufficient quantities, for all scenarios. You assume that your opponent would not be skilled with his own weapons. Quote:
Originally Posted by Yeller' (Post 526371) First off.. My political views are somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun. I don't care how conservative you are... you're to the left of me. Secondly, dude... I'm in Tennessee, and your in Kalifornia. You're in hell and I'm in heaven as far as gun control goes. Why anyone with a half a brain remains in that Godforsaken Communist faggot hellhole of Insanity is beyond me.
My feelings likewise about Tennessee, actually. If one stays out of the cities, most of California is beautiful and attractive for living. Tennessee has plenty of savage Negroes and equally savage hillbillies, that, to me, are just as unsavory as the Hershey Highway travellers. Not everyone in California is a "homo Commie faggot." There are LOTS of us California Natives that believe in freedom and are decent people. It's just that LA and SF dominate the state. I'm a Fifth-generation Californian, and most of these types wanting more people control (aka "gun control") are imports to my state. A LOT of them are Mexicans who want Gringo disarmed, while their "La Raza" brethren run unrestrained in SoCal with all the weapons they want.

Satyr | 03-01-2007 09:01 PM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by Yeller' (Post 526361) Sorry satyr... After reading the thread again, it appears as though you may have a bunch of guns already. For some reason I just thought "heres a guy with a bunch of silver and no gun". If that's not the case, sorry for jumping to conclusions. :s13:
No worries :bear_original: . My father and I each have a handgun. I have my CZ and he has his Ruger and plenty of ammo/mags for each. We also have at least 4 shotguns in the house and we reload our own shells. We don't own any riffles, but we also live in a mildly congested area. Such range wouldn't really be needed in a SHTF or EOTWAWKI situation. I still want my AR15 though :coolbeer: .

Worldmariner | 08-25-2008 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by AgAuGal (Post 518812) Some GIMers may want to look at the list of guns they plan to ban. Not sure I read when this will be voted on. high velocity tool show this weekend, wonder what I should buy. bushmaster toooo big fo little ol me.
Well what GIMers SHOULD do is get off thier duffs and write letters immediately to thier respective elected Members of Congress and tell thier MC that this ban is an outrage and to vote NO on reinstatement.

Silvestor | 08-25-2008 03:17 AM
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Unclad Lad | 08-27-2008 04:21 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Wow--blow the dust off this one! The issue, though, is timeless, and the warning as relevant as ever. If you don't buy them, you won't have them--to misquote an ex-GIMer. If you have them, do you have enough ammo? Do you know how to reload ammo for it, in case a bullet ban goes into place? Can you disassemble them, and do you have spare springs, firing pins, and other parts that commonly break? You might not want to take them to the gunsmith, if it requires a new background check to get your own gun back. If you live in a Free State, and you don't have a reliable firearm purchased from a private individual, you might as well go out to the corner and hand out your PMs and wheat, because YOU ARE NOT PREPARED, no matter what you think.

jrog100 | 08-27-2008 09:03 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 519462) Aside from Ron Paul I can't think of any politicians who give a darn about our rights.
How about McCain? Bigger 2nd ammendment proponent than George Bush.

educatedredneck | 08-27-2008 09:25 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS I sure do miss this poster he was full of great info. no I am leaving thread or any thing oh well :rolleyes_m::rolleyes_m::rolleyes_m::hello::hello: :hello:

Ghost Recon | 08-27-2008 09:26 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Buy what you need...... now. A few years ago, I was trying to tell people to buy ammo over on Frugals. One of the mods highlighted my post and in so many words said that I didn't know what I'm talking about. I was stunned that he could be so stupid and couldn't see farther down the road than a couple of months. Here we are with ammo tripled or more in price. Pretty soon we may not even be able to buy it. The same goes for reloading supplies.

Abouthadit | 08-27-2008 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jrog100 (Post 1256532) How about McCain? Bigger 2nd ammendment proponent than George Bush.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm How about an F- in '06???

jrog100 | 08-27-2008 11:22 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Quote:
Originally Posted by Abouthadit (Post 1256588) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm How about an F- in '06???
GOA's wrong. Here's how McCain is on the issue: http://www.issues2000.org/Domestic/J...un_Control.htm And here's obama: http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...=234&issue=047 Hand's down McCain is better than obama.

Unclad Lad | 08-28-2008 12:02 AM
Re: GET THEM BEFORE THEY ARE GONE /MAGS AND GUNS Short of nominating Justices who see the 2A for what it is, McCain is not going to be be all that great on firearms either. It's like comparing the merits of Stalin vs Pinochet. BUY. THEM. NOW.

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