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Darkside | 05-31-2007 09:33 PM
need a good .308 semi auto So currently I have a semi-auto shotgun, a scoped .22 hornet and an AR-15. I'm looking now for a good reliable .308 semi auto battle rifle. I've been thinking about the FALs and Saiga's model. The downside to the Saiga is it is a fairly new weapon and so there are no pre-ban variants. This is a big deal because I live in New York which has the same Anti Assault Weapon Ban still in place which the rest of the country except maybe California had expired on. (So I couldn't get a Saiga with high capacity magazines or the comfortable pistol grip or folding stocks) So I guess I'm leaning towards the FAL the most right now. But which model? I have very little expirience with FALs and don't know much about them other than their solid reputation. I'd appreciate any advice

gunner | 05-31-2007 09:50 PM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto www.dsarms.com - the SA 58 is the cream of the crop http://www.fulton-armory.com/ - even better but more expensive I own the DSA - a great weapon !! If cost is a big factor, you can go with an STG with the DSArms receiver, still a very good battle rifle. However, the SA58 can function as a battle rifle AND a sniper rifle - it's very accurate.

Darkside | 05-31-2007 10:02 PM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto Ah yes, I was just looking at that DSA web site earlier. I really like alot of their models but since they are all new I think I am limited to just the "Claifornia" models because of this moronic law. Oh no, this man's a mass murderer- he has a PISTOL GRIP! :stupid: So It sounds like you are very happy with your DSA FAL? How well does it handle some of the cheaper ammunition out there?

gunner | 05-31-2007 10:13 PM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto That's mostly all I shoot - surplus 70s and 80s stuff - it works just fine. Did NY pass that 50 cal ban? It's amazing how the city and LI ruin it for the rest of the state. There's so much of NY that's rural and still subject to urban type bans and restrictions, it's a shame that those people really have no representation politically. Any idea why just across the border in Vt the property values are so much higher? I'm really curious, is it taxes, laws (or lack of them) or am I comparing apples to oranges when I do a property search ??

Darkside | 05-31-2007 11:22 PM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto Quote:
Originally Posted by gunner (Post 624557) That's mostly all I shoot - surplus 70s and 80s stuff - it works just fine. Did NY pass that 50 cal ban? It's amazing how the city and LI ruin it for the rest of the state. There's so much of NY that's rural and still subject to urban type bans and restrictions, it's a shame that those people really have no representation politically. Any idea why just across the border in Vt the property values are so much higher? I'm really curious, is it taxes, laws (or lack of them) or am I comparing apples to oranges when I do a property search ??
No 50 caliber ban that I know of yet. I'd really like to buy one but the law I saw they were trying to pass did not have a grandfather clause, they would try and confiscate any 50 caliber weapons already legally owned if the law passed. So it wouldn't be wise for me to get one if they are trying to pass sh~t like that ! I'm actually right outside the city and my county does nto issue CCW permits like the rest of upstate New York counties do. It's really frustrating. Even a person outside my county who can get a CCW can use it in my county but they wont issue it to us. Not sure which area in VT you are referring to, but yeah the taxes/laws play a big part of it. People want to live right on the corner of VT so they can live there and enjoy the liberty while they can commute to lower NY for the high paying jobs.

J.D.Rockinfeller | 05-31-2007 11:44 PM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto had a galil arm in .308.....heavy but niiiice...folding stock...bi pod... *sigh...why did i sell that anyway?:realmad:

gunner | 06-01-2007 12:36 AM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkside (Post 624598) No 50 caliber ban that I know of yet. I'd really like to buy one but the law I saw they were trying to pass did not have a grandfather clause, they would try and confiscate any 50 caliber weapons already legally owned if the law passed. So it wouldn't be wise for me to get one if they are trying to pass sh~t like that ! I'm actually right outside the city and my county does nto issue CCW permits like the rest of upstate New York counties do. It's really frustrating. Even a person outside my county who can get a CCW can use it in my county but they wont issue it to us. Not sure which area in VT you are referring to, but yeah the taxes/laws play a big part of it. People want to live right on the corner of VT so they can live there and enjoy the liberty while they can commute to lower NY for the high paying jobs.
You can get a 50 cal "accessory" if you like www.watsonsweapons.com however if you don't have a place to shoot it, that might be a problem. I was looking at property in the southern portion of the state and it just seems like it's so much more expensive - I guess it's the dollar cost of freedom. Quote:
Originally Posted by J.D.Rockinfeller (Post 624619) had a galil arm in .308.....heavy but niiiice...folding stock...bi pod... *sigh...why did i sell that anyway?:realmad:
Evil features really are cool, aren't they ? :bull-smile: A galil is a good, solid weapon, but pretty expensive. It's funny though, you never really regret NOT selling a gun...needed the money at the time...I didn't use it much....wanted something else....but when you look at the current going rate for the gun - what was I thinking ????:banghead:

Baphomet Jones | 06-01-2007 10:04 AM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto LI didn't ruin a thing, no group of individuals in any state have had the balls to start an uprising at any point over any of the unconstitutional limitations that have been imposed in the past century or so. So, lets not go off half cocked blaming "liberals" for the inaction of all americans to protect the ideals laid before us by our founders.

gunner | 06-01-2007 12:06 PM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto State laws vary widely, mostly due to the mindset of those in that state and the money behind the candidates running for office. NY laws are the way they are due to the money and power supporting the elitest politicians in that state. Demographics will show where that money and power is concentrated and rest assured that it isn't in the rural areas of NY. As far as your armed rebellion, let me know how it goes, or should I just wait to see you on the 6 o'clock news?

Baphomet Jones | 06-01-2007 04:31 PM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto Like I said, I haven't seen any of these "conservatives" actually defend the rights guaranteed to them by the bill of rights, through lethal force if necessary, so just don't get into the mindset that you can blame "liberals" for everyone's failure. Its not necessarily a question of whether or not I actually care for or respect the liberals; its more destructive to conservatism to just blame "liberals" every time unconstitutional legislation goes unchallenged. It'll take more effort to educate the liberals, than it would to bash liberals from the safety of glocktalk or arfcom or gunsnet, and do the NRA roundup on Midway, but the former of the options will yield better results for everyone. :banana: Maybe you could change your voter registration to democrat, get involved in the party locally, and host "Take your Democrat to the Range day" (Also: you have to take them back from the range too, as using them as targets may be tempting but will be counterproductive to the cause.) I'm sure you realize people fear what they don't understand, if more people regardless of political affiliation were encouraged and patiently guided in taking up the hobby/sport/addiction/disease, then there would be less unknowns to fear, and even fewer generalizations being reinforced. Idiots who support the brady campaign most likely were never introduced to shooting in a way they could feel comfortable with. All they see is "Police officer killed in the line of duty / woman shot in front of children / etc." from the news, then when its time to vote, are they going to hop on JPFO or Arfcom and ask which republican supports the 2nd amendment the most? Or will they take the bait and vote for a utopian socialist preaching for a totalitarian police state? We know one thing for sure, they're scared shitless of guns and shooters, and for the most part, rightfully so :P I definitely don't know if any of that would work, I offer this to illustrate the mindset required to actually start moving in the right direction. To be perfectly honest, I doubt anything would work to counteract the billions of dollars the banksters spend to brainwash the masses via the mainstream media. Its not a conservative or liberal problem, it�s a �85% of Americans are blind sheep, 10% are wolves in sheep�s clothing� problem. Hopefully, more people will realize exactly when and how we were and are currently being screwed by these so-called "leaders" from both sides of our "two party system". That day won't come through propagation of stereotypes and a refusal to As for the armed rebellion, its not my problem :P I gave up on this place a long time ago, but if I see anything that restores my faith in the American people, I'll let you know! In which case, tune in at 6:00, I'll be the one throwing molotovs and wearing an American flag as a shemagh. I hope you didn�t take what I said the wrong way, I�ve got no reason to disrespect you, I just don�t like seeing people misdirect their hostility. Its not a "liberal" agenda, its a tyrannical fascist corporatocracy agenda. Most people are dumb, this is why we have governments :confused_ma:

Prometheus | 06-01-2007 06:09 PM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto H&K G3 clone... Be it a pricey SAR-8 or HK91 or the low end Centurion 99 clones. I own 2 of them and love them... Ar Accuracy and as reliable as an AK... Plus factory 20 round HK G3 magazines are under 2 bucks each! Whats not to love?

Au_Ag | 06-01-2007 06:19 PM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 625477) H&K G3 clone... Be it a pricey SAR-8 or HK91 or the low end Centurion 99 clones. I own 2 of them and love them... Ar Accuracy and as reliable as an AK...
Gotta love em- SR9 is my favorite. I usually don't recommend such on these threads because they're a little steep and everyone has their favorite that is the "end/all -be/all" But I'm with you Prometheus_really big grin_

Baphomet Jones | 06-01-2007 06:52 PM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto OH, and Darkside I appologize if I hijacked this thread a little bit :P I've seen ban compliant CETME's on gunbroker but they may very well have dried up. Check www.gunbroker.com and www.gunsamerica.com Another alternative if you don't mind putting in a substantial amount of work would be to check out century arms, find a dealer in your area, and ask them to order a G3 or FAL receiver for you, buy a partskit on www.gunbroker.com or www.gunsamerica.com and slap that badboy together by hand. Theres a few forums out there you could go to for a step-by-step and some excellent advice. www.homegunsmith.com being one of them. With a barrel that has a muzzlebreak perminately attached, or a barrel with no flash suppressor or compensator at all, and assuming you remove the bayonet lug, you would be able to use cough cough "preban" cough cough highcap mags. I'm not advocating that you break the law or anything though, by having a friend in VT or PA order a case of aluminum 20 round G3 mags for $2 a pop or anything like that, even if the magazines have no datestamp or markings of any sort :s13: From what I hear, the saiga isn't the most accurate of guns, a friend of mine has one in .223 and its so-so, its kind of a luck-of-the-draw, the figure I've heard has been 3-4 MOA average, BUT, they're just as reliable as AK but built with russian tools, so thats a plus :D I'm in the market for a .308 as well, I'll probably get a CETME when I get the dough.

Au_Ag | 06-01-2007 07:01 PM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 625477) Plus factory 20 round HK G3 magazines are under 2 bucks each! Whats not to love?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 625513) a case of aluminum 20 round G3 mags for $2 .
where are you guys getting these mags for $2?

gunner | 06-01-2007 07:29 PM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 625366) Like I said, I haven't seen any of these "conservatives" actually defend the rights guaranteed to them by the bill of rights, through lethal force if necessary, so just don't get into the mindset that you can blame "liberals" for everyone's failure. Its not necessarily a question of whether or not I actually care for or respect the liberals; its more destructive to conservatism to just blame "liberals" every time unconstitutional legislation goes unchallenged. It'll take more effort to educate the liberals, than it would to bash liberals from the safety of glocktalk or arfcom or gunsnet, and do the NRA roundup on Midway, but the former of the options will yield better results for everyone. :banana: Maybe you could change your voter registration to democrat, get involved in the party locally, and host "Take your Democrat to the Range day" (Also: you have to take them back from the range too, as using them as targets may be tempting but will be counterproductive to the cause.) I'm sure you realize people fear what they don't understand, if more people regardless of political affiliation were encouraged and patiently guided in taking up the hobby/sport/addiction/disease, then there would be less unknowns to fear, and even fewer generalizations being reinforced. Idiots who support the brady campaign most likely were never introduced to shooting in a way they could feel comfortable with. All they see is "Police officer killed in the line of duty / woman shot in front of children / etc." from the news, then when its time to vote, are they going to hop on JPFO or Arfcom and ask which republican supports the 2nd amendment the most? Or will they take the bait and vote for a utopian socialist preaching for a totalitarian police state? We know one thing for sure, they're scared shitless of guns and shooters, and for the most part, rightfully so :P I definitely don't know if any of that would work, I offer this to illustrate the mindset required to actually start moving in the right direction. To be perfectly honest, I doubt anything would work to counteract the billions of dollars the banksters spend to brainwash the masses via the mainstream media. Its not a conservative or liberal problem, it�s a �85% of Americans are blind sheep, 10% are wolves in sheep�s clothing� problem. Hopefully, more people will realize exactly when and how we were and are currently being screwed by these so-called "leaders" from both sides of our "two party system". That day won't come through propagation of stereotypes and a refusal to As for the armed rebellion, its not my problem :P I gave up on this place a long time ago, but if I see anything that restores my faith in the American people, I'll let you know! In which case, tune in at 6:00, I'll be the one throwing molotovs and wearing an American flag as a shemagh. I hope you didn�t take what I said the wrong way, I�ve got no reason to disrespect you, I just don�t like seeing people misdirect their hostility. Its not a "liberal" agenda, its a tyrannical fascist corporatocracy agenda. Most people are dumb, this is why we have governments :confused_ma:
i don't think I ever used the word liberal in my post. The problem with NY is that the urban culture drives the laws for the state - urban being gun control = good = less violence. It's the propaganda matrix that's sold to the masses in the urban/suburban environment, the one that they buy into. NY is different than Wyoming or Montana, it's because of the mindset of the people, those being the urbanites and those that watch the tv stations broadcasting nightly how bad guns are. Newspapers printing stories of gun violence but omitting stories of guns used for self defense, that's what drives the culture, and it stems from the urban/suburban voting block. Long Island (where I lived for 30 years) is pro gun control. NYC is pro gun control. Cooperstown NY is not pro gun control, but look at the sheer number of voters - as I originally said, NY/LI drives the laws for the state and those in the rural areas suffer because of it. If Vermont was annexed to NY, their laws would change from CCW without a permit to CCW - with permit only after a 1 year wait with an investigation. I agree Conservatives don't even know what conservatism is and liberals will suffer the same fate after Hillary (the ultimate liberal) does the opposite of what they voted her in to do. Globalism/Corporatism, that's what it's all about

negative1 | 06-02-2007 01:47 AM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto Quote:
Originally Posted by Au_Ag (Post 625526) where are you guys getting these mags for $2?
Clicky -1

Prometheus | 06-02-2007 02:10 AM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto Quote:
Originally Posted by Au_Ag (Post 625526) where are you guys getting these mags for $2?
http://www.tapco.com/proddesc.aspx?i...1-4a2f8483561d 50 for $70.00, but be prepared with plenty of paper towels and WD40 to clean them up.. I've heard some can be quite dirty. It was 18 months ago when I was buying them for a buck delivered each in excellent to like new condition. I have a feeling in another 18 months 5 bucks will be the lowest we see them.

Lackluster | 06-02-2007 06:44 AM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto Prometheus, do you think tapco's M1A magazines are any good? They say they are made in the US. http://www.tapco.com/proddesc.aspx?i...9-136ce9f7ba68

Texan | 06-04-2007 01:44 AM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto Quote:
Originally Posted by Lackluster (Post 625965) Prometheus, do you think tapco's M1A magazines are any good? They say they are made in the US. http://www.tapco.com/proddesc.aspx?i...9-136ce9f7ba68
http://www.44mag.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CM20 A little better price can be found at 44mag, however, more important than price, the CMI mags have the best reputation. I purchased these exact M1A mags from this outfit myself, and I received my order in less than one week. Mine have functioned very well thus far too. Furthermore, I would like to endorse the M1A in response to the original threadstarter's query. Although I feel confident you can't really go wrong with the FAL, HK91, or M1A. They're the "Big 3" of .308 semi-autos, and beyond that it really boils down to your personal preferences.

Lackluster | 06-04-2007 07:01 AM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto Thanks, Texan!

Prometheus | 06-04-2007 10:23 AM
Re: need a good .308 semi auto Quote:
Originally Posted by Lackluster (Post 625965) Prometheus, do you think tapco's M1A magazines are any good? They say they are made in the US. http://www.tapco.com/proddesc.aspx?i...9-136ce9f7ba68
From what I've heard M1a's are picky on mags. I don't have a M1a so I really don't know much about them.

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