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JC Refuge | 06-02-2006 11:04 AM
Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Been working on this for a while and now I've got the thumbs up from Montague USA. http://www.timebomb2000.com/forums/biggrin.gif I just listed the ultimate prepper bike in my store--the Montague Paratrooper--developed in conjunction with DARPA for the military, and only recently made available in the civilian marketplace. See my listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11 &item=7246333712 MSRP is $695. MAP is $645. OUR special GIM prices are much lower for a very limited time. ... Our limited-time, group-buy discounted prices are not advertisable (so as not to violate the MAP agreement--do NOT post our special prices here in this thread please). If you are interested, email me and I'll give you the price: jcrefuge@safecastle.net. The bike comes in either an 18 inch or 20 inch frame. The one you want is based on your height--see the bottom of the listing. I could go on and on about this bike, but I suggest if you are interested, you have a look at the listing and do more research. This bike was designed and built to be dropped out of airplanes on a man's back, to be unfolded and to be ridden away in 30 seconds. Yep--tough and lite! I'm thrilled to have it in my store and to be able to offer you a very nice discount. The group buy will run through June. Orders should deliver in July.

TheKingsSon | 06-02-2006 11:33 AM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Are you the same guy offering the freeze dried (Mountain house) food?

JC Refuge | 06-02-2006 11:39 AM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Quote:
Originally Posted by TheKingsSon Are you the same guy offering the freeze dried (Mountain house) food?
Yes I am, sir.

wallew | 06-02-2006 11:40 AM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes sniff, sniff... SMELS LIKE :spam4: to me

Ponce Cuba | 06-02-2006 11:50 AM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes No Wallew he only sells survival equipment at a lower price than we could get anywhere else ........ he is doing us a favor :ARMS1: Ponce <------ should get a 15% discount for the plug :haha:

JC Refuge | 06-03-2006 04:55 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes These bikes are the foremost portable bike in the world, and at least as good as any high-performance non-folding mountain bike for rideability. �..ultimate piece of travel gear for civilians.� Travel & Leisure �It�s very easy to assemble and disassemble�everything�s snap and lock. The suspension absorbed nearly all the shock in the front. When you�re switching gears, you barely feel it, you hear the click, but you don�t feel the jerk from the gears shifting.� Army Times �This Bike�s Got an Attitude.� New York Newsday ��in 30 seconds [it] goes from trail to travel-ready by folding into a 3-foot x 3-foot x 1-foot pack.� American Way Magazine �You forget that you are in the saddle of a bike that can be stored in a closet.� Mountain Bike Action Magazine

R MacDonald | 06-03-2006 05:03 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Anyway to get a disk brake put on the rear as well? Braking ability should be equal for both tires. As it's set now, the stronger break is in the front. I would think that in an emergency stop, that would throw you over the handlebars, or slide the back end forward out from under you. Also, what is the warranty like, and would you take some off for a multiple order?

JC Refuge | 06-03-2006 05:10 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Quote:
Originally Posted by R MacDonald Anyway to get a disk brake put on the rear as well? Braking ability should be equal for both tires. As it's set now, the stronger break is in the front. I would think that in an emergency stop, that would throw you over the handlebars, or slide the back end forward out from under you. Also, what is the warranty like?
They don't offer the option of disk brakes in the rear ... but I would guess that you could install them yourself or have a bike shop do it. The manufacturer's warranty is one year on parts, five years on the frame.

Halophyte | 06-03-2006 05:38 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Nice bike. Too bad it ain't a recumbent.

JC Refuge | 06-03-2006 08:08 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Correction on the warranty --- in addition to the one-year warranty on components, there is a limited lifetime warranty on the frame.

demosfen | 06-03-2006 08:14 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Why do we have a Classifieds section? :albertein

JC Refuge | 06-14-2006 06:14 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes For those interested, I am submitting a group purchase order of Montague bikes (any model is fine with similar discounts) on June 21. Orders will be dropshipped out of the warehouse in Massachusetts within two business days and should be received within one week, depending on your location.

Halophyte | 06-14-2006 07:52 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes How about a group purchase on EZ Racers ?

JC Refuge | 06-14-2006 09:14 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Quote:
Originally Posted by Halophyte (Post 274360) How about a group purchase on EZ Racers ?
That's a recumbent bike, right? First, let me point out that I am not a bicycle dealer per se. I have recently been able to list a couple of portable bikes (the Paratrooper included) which are great fits for my crisis preparedness store and that appeal to a lot of my customers because of these bikes' ruggedness, versatility, portability, etc. All that said, if there is a demonstrated demand here for a few EZ racers, I'll be happy to see if I can get qualified to buy them at wholesale prices for you.

Sturdly | 06-14-2006 10:27 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Quote:
Originally Posted by R MacDonald (Post 264737) Anyway to get a disk brake put on the rear as well? Braking ability should be equal for both tires. As it's set now, the stronger break is in the front. I would think that in an emergency stop, that would throw you over the handlebars, or slide the back end forward out from under you. Also, what is the warranty like, and would you take some off for a multiple order?
Don't worry about the front disc and rear calipers. In any panic stop the front brakes should be doing the bulk of the stopping anyway around 75%. Most go over the bars because they don't brace their arms properly. The enertia of their bodies is unchecked and, look ma I'm really flying here. Check out http://www.sheldonbrown.com for some great articles on riding techniques and gear/maintenance

Ghost Recon | 06-15-2006 01:19 AM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes I used to work in the downtown area of a major city. I took the backseat out of my Nissan Sentra and was able to get a full size hybrid bike in through the trunk......

Maddie | 06-16-2006 11:38 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes I work in the city, but I live only about 7-1/2 miles from work. I keep a folding bike in the back of my truck. Traffic ranges from bad to gridlock even on a normal day here. If there's ever a major problem (as in bug out problem), a bike is probably going to be the fastest way for me to get home and maybe further, if necessary.

Ghost Recon | 06-17-2006 12:23 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Here's what I would do if I owned a truck. Buy one of those large kryptonite bike locks. Drill two holes in the bed. Slide the lock through the holes and lock it around the frame of the bike. If someone breaks in, they won't get your bike. It's pretty unlikely they will have a good hacksaw with them. Even then it would be very time consuming......

money matters | 06-17-2006 03:23 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes You know, just MAYBE, one of these little expensive gizmos would be worth owning IF you kept it on a yacht, or in a storage compartment of some 43' RV or bus conversion; but, anybody who is commuting to work and thinking that, "This will save my bacon when TSHTF!", I think is just pure-d stupid, not to mention gonna be SOOL. Mountainhouse freeze dried food in #10 cans and folding bikes, these are solutions in search of a problem. It is very unlikely that a bicycle for a survivallist, or anyone concerned with Self-Sufficient Living, needs to be an extreme ground-pounder like the suicide jockeys ride on the semi-groomed backcountry trails. Doubtful that you will be taking such routes if TSHTF. Very unlikely that anyone will be "escaping" from the cities after the first hour of the baloon going up. The cities will be locked down. Maybe a folding bike will get you home? How about a motorized scooter? Just like a steady diet of freeze dried food will play havoc with your digestive tract, and cause you to pony up hundreds of extra $ for such privilege; a $700 folding bike is no "better" than any other. Likely, you can find a decent mountain bike at a Thrift or Pawnshop. The sports-consignment shops are lousy with them. The real value of a bicycle when TSHTF will be simple road navigation or as a cart you can load with stuff and push with relative ease. If you put plastic fenders, and racks over both wheels, your bike could carry quite a load. Very doubtful that Titanium tubing, magnesium alloy crank sets and carbon fiber this or that will matter to you EVER! Rather like #10 cans of freeze-dried foods. Better to buy that stuff in pouches at WallyWorld or REI anyway. To put this whole matter of JCrefuge's selling here in perspective: the guy is selling MS 70 graded Eagles at some kind of rarity price level. Do you buy investment grade coins, or bullion coins? Spending money on a "problem" does not assure you of problem solving. $600 will buy bikes for everyone in your family. Anybody feel like one of these lil gizmos is worth 1 ounce of Gold? Shouldn't this guy be peddling (pedalling?) his wares on the classified section?

JC Refuge | 06-18-2006 09:55 AM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes MM--I'll be brief. Your post is filled with uninformed and misguided opinions. You do a baseless disservice to the worthy and well-meaning folks out there who do indeed put a lot of well-researched thought and effort into allowing their households to be prepared for events that are reasonably possible. There are indeed a whole lot of very smart people out there who recognize the opportunities I present them with for what they are--golden. Bottom line on what I do here and elsewhere ... I offer the very best pricing I can across the board in all my products because I'm in it to do my small part to help people prepare. On a lot of my products, I cannot compete pricewise with the giants out there. But you will be very hard pressed to find better pricing on the Mountain House cans and the Montague bikes right now (among several other products). Reminder--don't take my eBay listed prices as the prices you pay here. GIMers get substantial discounts on everything I sell ... just for the asking. In other words, the price of a Paratrooper right now is less than what an ounce of gold has been for quite some time now. But for those who are familiar with a Paratrooper, you know that they are worth their weight in gold if you ride them at all. As far as the classified section goes, sure--I should post there. But the general idea is that the lowest prices possible are based on volume selling. I can't offer the many people here who do take advantage of my offers the prices I do if they are unaware of the offers ... and few people here look in Classifieds. It's not about profitability for me--it's productivity. If I get enough buyers here, I can give those buyers some of the best deals anywhere. If I don't, I have to spend my time and efforts elsewhere.

Halophyte | 06-18-2006 04:46 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes 1 Attachment(s) $499 MSRP, a serious long range compact long wheel base (CLWB) recumbent. No back aches, no neck aches, no wedgie seat up your butt either. Removable seat assembly, no tools required. Very compact.

money matters | 06-20-2006 02:07 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes "Refuge", I have no more time to suffer idiots or cheats. If you have rationalized that creating demand for food that diminishes the health of those who eat it, and for super-gizmo bicycles; then you are the fulfillment of the perverted American dream, and who am I to interfere? I think this forum ought to consign hucksters and sharpie salespeople to its classified arena, if it allows them here at all; but you have what the people want: A "solution" to their problems they can buy with money. Anyone who is really motivated to "prepare" has come to understand there is more to the issue of eating, than just having a source of calories for the bellies they want to feed. Rather doubtful that many are going to be out riding their paratrooper bikes, surveying the suburban landscape relaxedly (like halo's jpg shows) while TSHTF. Even more doubtful that they will be mountain trekking for thrills and recreation. Likely the most realistic conveyance anyone could hope to have in a bug-out situation is one of those GardenWay yard totes, kind of the wheelbarrow on steroids. Good bicycles can be purchased damn cheap, if you search a bit for them. Few break their cranksets, frames or rims. Buy a couple of replacement tubes, brake pads and cables and you can keep em going forever. I am sure there is some collector ms67 grade dime that I could buy from one of the gold huckster companies for $800. Or I could get about 1,000 90% dimes for the same money. For the $800+ that you want for a bike and some food; somebody could arrange a couple months of quality diet and several bikes with spares.

JC Refuge | 06-20-2006 05:24 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Whatever, MM. :beer: Just to clarify again, though ... The price of "$800" you keep quoting is nowhere near the price I am selling these bikes for. Read the large print.

drafter | 06-20-2006 06:09 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes "Attention wal-mart shoppers" if you don't like the prices shop some where else.

money matters | 06-21-2006 02:35 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes "Refuge", Did I say you were asking $800 for the bike? No, never did. The $800 figure represented a lowball expenditure for someone who might have ordered a bike and your 18 can freeze dried food "deal". $500 and $300 plus other charges/fees adds up to $800+, doesn't it? My argument and honest concern has been this: 1) Freeze dried food is not as nutritious or health promoting as other whole foods which can form a food storage program. 2) A steady diet of FD food is likely to be harmful to your health and immune system. 3) "Survival" Food packaged in #10 cans is unnecessarily expensive and heavy. 4) A $500/$700 bicycle represents an inordinate outlay of money for the purpose it fulfills. 5) A folding bicycle is a gimmick that serves no real purpose. Yesterday, I saw a nice Peugot 10 speed at Salvation Army for $10. This machine had Quick Release hubs and could have used new tires and tubes. Likely the 531 tubing is better than most bikes use these days. It was not a mountainbike, but it would work well for many people, and the QR hubs mean it could likely fit in almost any decent size auto trunk. I really doubt many people will be out riding bikes when the chaos so many are expecting is in full bloom. Afterwards, a $20 resale shop bike will work pretty well. Maybe that other $480/$680 would be better spent on food or basic gear? Maybe lots of baby boom and Xer guys think they will make The Great Escape? The only POWs that get away in that movie rode bikes, walked, or took a rowboat. Maybe all the good worker-drones should have a paratrooper stashed in their Trooper whenever they drive into work? Or keep their bike in their office, out of the way of their full-wall highrise view? Just in case the 4wd fails them. Just in case they can't navigate the Hummer out of the parking garage. Why not stash a James Bond, You Only Live Twice ultralight airplane? Only a couple thou frns, aren't they? One of my cohorts used to store his antique cars in the parking garage at work, under tarps. Kept the dust off. He opted for reserved parking and once every 6 months on Saturday would take them out for a drive and a wash. May be a good idea to park a truck with a locking camper shell and keep your kit at work all the time? I've seen bikes outfitted with front and rear pannier packs, and guys riding them with backpacks. Not real practical, but it works; I guess. These aren't folding bikes though. I think most people who can afford to buy stuff like folding bikes for $500/$700 think the whole preparation matter is just a fun game that lets them rationalize buying toys. A good bike would likely be a valuable tool for most to have. Yet, unless you work on the one you acquire, you will not be likely to repair it in the field. Buying a decent bike at a resale and fixing it up gives you that hands-on; plus for $50 or $60 you can paint the thing with flat primer or a muted color and not worry about losing resale value. Another plus would be most thieves would pass you buy. For the 18 years I have been interested in the broad topic of "Survivalism", I can tell you that I have often encountered those who think they can "buy their way". This attitude shows a confused thought process. Most of these "buyers", never unpack their gear; much less learn to use it. People that buy Freeze-Dried food and folding bicycles seem most likely to be "buyers" to me. I have grave doubts that many who are "buyers" will make it. Gear is a tool for the person wielding it. If that person has not learned to use his/her tools ably before it needing to rely on them; the On-The-Job-Training cost might simply be very high. Some have to have "the best" in whatever they pursue in life. It is an immature outlook. Any survivalist or prepper who thinks they can't compromise in the area of bicycles has just not considered the whole picture.

Veli Hopea | 06-21-2006 02:51 PM
I like it I like the design. The wheels are bigger than Brompton's and that is good. Usually big wheels are good for off-road riding. If you doubt my words, try a BMX bike on any soft terrain. You'll learn to love big wheels.

Infidel | 06-21-2006 03:16 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Posting one article like this per deal that is something that all might consider once in a while is fine i think. Spamming is not. Discussing relative merits of the item being sold is ok if it is a forum post like this. If you do not want a discussion about the stuff you are selling then post in the classified section and have a link in their signature. I would not buy a bike either. As for relative merits of food canned in 10 cans. I look at it this way. I purchaised a little package of the "daily entries" in those cans that enables to eat one dish per day for one persoon it keeps five years total cost is around 1.75 per that meal per person which can supplement beans and rice for the family when the time comes Again it keeps FIVE years one a day 1.75 per one person IF i am to keep buying and rotating the food of equal desirability to substitute for this then, if it keeps about a year or two I have to spend more money rotating it say "Best Chili for 4 package" or something from your local super market costs about 3 dollars + 2 dollars for tomato paste and some veggies. no meat in this calculation. can not buy veggies When TSHTF keeps 2 years so that is (5 dollars / 2 years ) = 2.50 a year 2.5 dollars / year to feed 4 people with that meal of dry chili and tomato paste ==================== a freeze dried food package for 4 (4 packages * 1.75 dollars per package) / 5 years = 1.4 dollars 1.4 dollars per years to feed 4 people with that meal of dry something that was rehydrated.

Ghost Recon | 06-23-2006 02:48 AM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes I'll comment on Mountain House food: I ate it for two straight weeks on a backpacking trip. I made an abrupt switch from regular food to freezdried and had no digestive problems at all. Overall I thought it was quite good and it's very light weight. I keep reading about people who have to throw out canned goods and stuff that they pack in 5 gal pails. All of a sudden Mountain House doesn't look so expensive. With a shelf life of up to 40 years, you know the food will be fine when you need it. Who says you have to eat just freezdried? I also stock a lot of canned goods and rice.....

money matters | 06-23-2006 03:13 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Recon, I have eaten freeze-dried food since 1970 on some camping and backpacking trips. It is good tasting and convenient, even if it is very bulky compared to other foods you can adapt for backpacking. I doubt you gorged out on MH foods over the course of a 2 day trip, so you may be suprised if you eat any freeze-dried foods constantly, how screwed up your digestive tract will get. Then again, your diet and digestive system may already be impaired but you don't know any different. Once again, Recon voices the opinion that he can buy his way, citing that 40 year shelf life. Sorry, the only food that retains nutritional value after being picked or slaughtered is that which is frozen. Canned food, freeze-dried, MRE and other prepped & ready foods have already lost any health promoting value beyond that "full belly" feeling. If you think the purpose of food is just to fill you up and satisfy craving for sweets or gourmet flavorings, then likely you have a number of medical issues already operating in your life. Drink lots of sodas, alcohol, smoke, eat junk food and fast-food meals? Then, I bet you get sick. If you want F-D for backpacking or bugout kits; super! I have a bunch and some is mountainhouse. But, buying F-D food in #10 cans; in made up assortments, is just bad nutrition and false economy. The only reason whole grains fail is improper packaging. If you are rotating your supplies, failure cannot occur. Same with canned foods. Some canned foods are very minimal health impairing. Organic canned foods like beans and vegetables are better than non-organic. Buying the Best Food you can, that will promote health and build your immune system, is the best prep expenditure you can make. Sad that many are unwilling to see that eating well is the most important part of a healthy life, aside from a relationship with God. -------------------------------------- Anybody who thinks a folding bike will help them bugout or travel when TSHTF is the same kind of dreamer that thinks they need 40 year shelf life for their food storage. The reality is, if you're not already bugged out, or packed and immediately ready to go when TSHTF, you will not escape to anywhere; montague folding bike, or not. If you think you have 40 weeks before you will use your food storage supplies, you are simply ostriching the world situation.

JC Refuge | 06-23-2006 05:25 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Oh brother. I'm not sure if anyone is actually taking what you say seriously, MM ... and I try to avoid shootin' matches, particularly when the opposition has no lead to speak of in their wild fusillades. But to say things like there's no nutrition in freeze-dried food, that it is bulky compared to other backpacking foods, and that the only way to retain nutritional value is through freezing??? There are going to be a whole lot of folks from NASA, the DoD, and various adventure specialists out there such as world-class Thru-Hikers, Alpine Climbers, etc., etc. who will be needing your phone number to get the true lowdown from someone with such a special and unique knowledge of truth and right. Yep, astronauts, cosmonauts, special forces, competitive athletes in world-class endurance competitions, etc., are among just a few of the folks who do routinely maintain their optimal health and performance levels almost exclusively (and in some cases, yes, exclusively) via freeze-dried foods for extended periods of time (and in fact most of them do so using Oregon Freeze Dried, aka Mountain House, foods). From all the judgmental pot shots you've been taking left and right in this thread alone, it's apparent, MM, that no one will be able to do right by you other than you. So, let's just say that your opinions have been duly noted. Keep on keepin' on.

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demosfen | 06-23-2006 11:27 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Classified section is gone. Life is a simple thing, if you learn to generalize a lot. Natural money is good. Artificial money is fraud. Natural food is good. Artificial food is fraud. What does ingredients list on those cans looks like? I would expect anything with shelf life of 40 years to have added chemicals and be highly processed.

money matters | 06-24-2006 12:22 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes Refuge, Your prior reply shows you to be an "armchair guru", a nimrod. Not insulting you Biblically, but wonder what the hell you want to drag Christ Jesus' initials through the muck for anyway? You said: "But to say things like there's no nutrition in freeze-dried food, that it is bulky compared to other backpacking foods, and that the only way to retain nutritional value is through freezing??? There are going to be a whole lot of folks from NASA, the DoD, and various adventure specialists out there such as world-class Thru-Hikers, Alpine Climbers, etc., etc. who will be needing your phone number to get the true lowdown from someone with such a special and unique knowledge of truth and right." The people I have met and known that actually climb mountains, do not take much in the way of freeze-dried foods. Screw your wise-ass comments. When I backpack and carry 60+ lbs of gear, I damn sure don't waste valuable space with prepackaged pouch meals. Going in by ATV is another matter, but even then the food ain't that good, but the kids like to cook it cause its easy. Just because Govt buys this shit for the people it uses and throws away certainly does not mean the Govt gives a damn about their nutrition and general health. You think Govt is using organics and natural vitamins either? You think lab-facsimile vitamins are the same as naturally derived vitamins? You know what works when backpacking? Natural foods, and maybe some f-d stuff like mashed potatoes and veges. Cereals like Farina and Oats work fine, hearty soups made with real bouillon, noodles and beans. Brown Rice base dishes. Granola, Gorp mix. Jerky reconstitutes well. Fact is, "refuge", that if you plan your meal in the morning or overnite, you can soak beans and rice for hours to cut down on cooking time and get really good stick to your ribs complete protein for about $0.50 rather than $10. If you have a dehydrator, you can make great extended storage foods and backpacking foods yourself. Ziploc baggies make great storage containers. I actually still prefer the taste of powdered milk to whole milk, from using powdered stuff with water from mountain streams. No, I never got giardia. Richmoor foods used to sell "meat bars" which were vacuum packed beef or bacon bit bars. Use about 1/3 of one of those with a 1/4 cup of Instant Mashed Potatoes, some McCormick Gravy powder and a few f-d peas or green beans and that was my evening meal. Pretty damn good, easy to fix and compact. No more Richmoor meat bars. Yet Hormel sells 100% bacon bits, and I make turkey or moose jerky. Can even dehydrate buffalo burger after cooking it for similar home made meat bar. If I wanted to eat Macrobiotically on the trail, no problem! Living healthy does not take all that much money, it just takes brains and interest. Funny, the homemade bread and rolls we make last about 4 days without going moldy. Store bought stuff will last weeks. Such is the difference between Real Food and food meant to generate profit. Whole Food yields maximum health when it is fresh, store bought crap is infused with chemicals so it will last a long time so the retailer has a week or more to sell it to you and the distributor will not have to take it back at a loss. Too bad "refuge" has nothing to contribute to the forum but "stuff" to sell. No stories about how many people overcame and gained remission from Cancer by eating a 100% mountainhouse diet? There are hundreds of such testimonies by people who eat Macrobiotically. Oh, and once more; why does anyone "need" a folding bike?

Ghost Recon | 06-24-2006 04:55 PM
Re: Montague Paratrooper Folding Bikes ah.........what's the point.........

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