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REV127 | 02-13-2007 09:55 PM
I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF ... I just got done reading a thread on a homesteading forum. It was a poll, "Would You Take or Kill From Other To Survive a SHTF?" One third said maybe, one third said definately and one third said no way. This is coming from people who are a notch above the average yuppie and gangsta, and 2/3rds of them are likely prepared to waste you for a bag of rice. This will obviously be a very bad problem when TSHTF. What am I going to do with all the bodies?

pusher | 02-13-2007 10:00 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF Fertilizer for the garden?

omegaman | 02-13-2007 10:09 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF Whoever said protein would be in short supply post SHTF didn't know what they were talking about.

____hoot____ | 02-13-2007 10:23 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF it's called long pork

REV127 | 02-13-2007 10:32 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF It's a bit macabre, but on the theory that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of the cure heads on pikes have crossed my mind as an implementable strategy in a total collapse scenario.

elroy | 02-13-2007 10:42 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF Don't waste anything, eat the ones that don't get away.

Kahlil Gibran | 02-13-2007 11:22 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF 1 Attachment(s) Attachment 24135 Wood Chipper

RiverRat | 02-13-2007 11:27 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF :cool2: Posted by REV127: Quote:
This is coming from people who are a notch above the average yuppie and gangsta, and 2/3rds of them are likely prepared to waste you for a bag of rice.
Rev....I think the other 1/3 survivalists lied. Odds are 80% or more would kill out of self defense on principal alone. The other 20% would kill just because they could. Buy a mini excavator or a backhoe.....solves the disposal problem. :eek_ma: :eek_ma: :eek_ma:

Onboard | 02-14-2007 02:34 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 508623) In Extremis, I would opt for heads on pikes as perimeter warnings.
I had a 4 wheeler stolen recently. It was parked right beside the house. Pretty brazen folk if you ask me. I can just imagine if these people were really without food and TSHTF. I'm really warming up to Sukhoi's idea.:proud: Or maybe a pre-emptive strike?

REV127 | 02-14-2007 05:12 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF I don't know what you mean by a pre-emptive strike but I am planning to actively patrol my local area. If I'm going to have to fight I'd rather not do it in my own yard. Areas of lawlessness will breed more lawlessness. If I can stabilize my immediate area I have a much better chance for a tranquil life. I won't tolerate any sort of robbery, bullying, gang behaviour or similar.

kolya | 02-14-2007 05:16 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF REV127, I need to move out by you. :s9:

Anty Ep | 02-14-2007 05:31 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 509520) I don't know what you mean by a pre-emptive strike but I am planning to actively patrol my local area. If I'm going to have to fight I'd rather not do it in my own yard. Areas of lawlessness will breed more lawlessness. If I can stabilize my immediate area I have a much better chance for a tranquil life. I won't tolerate any sort of robbery, bullying, gang behaviour or similar.
No isolated individual can be awake and aware 24/7. A good streetfighter still gets whipped by a gang. Rambo is not the way to go, "Warlord" is. Know the people in your area, have a good reputation with your neighbors as a trustworthy and useful person, and when the time is right "leadership will show its face." As for gang activity and all that crap, if we were talking total collapse then the thing to do in lots of places would be to mobilize against the existing local gansters and wipe them out before they got hungry and daring. The first few days they will be drunk and disorderly and that's when to take the brutes down and give em the Colonel Kurtz treatment-

sindgefallen | 02-14-2007 07:09 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF If they are willing to waste you for status now then what do you expect when they are starving. no brainer.

ForeverInDebt | 02-14-2007 07:21 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by Sukhoi_fan (Post 509619) REV, if you haven't read Ragnor Benson's two excellent books on the survival retreat, then I strongly suggest you do so. You will find a lot of good ideas there, especially in the second one.
Is this the second one you are referring to? http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=559 Quote:
MODERN SURVIVAL RETREAT A New and Vital Approach to Retreat Theory and Practice by Ragnar Benson Modern retreaters have a new enemy to fear - our own government. In this companion to the classic book The Survival Retreat, Ragnar answers such vital questions as how to identify exactly who threatens your freedom, when to occupy your retreat and how to fight the government when it goes hard-core against you. 5 1/2 x 8 1/2, softcover, photos, 120 pp. Price: $16.00 MSR

____hoot____ | 02-15-2007 01:52 AM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF When the Dutch at New Amsterdam[NYC]armed the Iroquois in the 1640s and they started raiding stealing and killing throughout the midwest, they pushed the Ottawas out of Canada and into Michigan. The Ottawas got in a big fight with the local Masquotens and killed a pile of them on a bend of the PM river about an hour north of me. They put their heads on sharpened cedar poles and lined a half mile of river with them. So, the idea is not new.

REV127 | 02-15-2007 03:05 AM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF Yup, it's pretty grotesque. I have no particular feelings one way or another about justified homocide but I'd really rather not mangle a corpse, let alone put it on display. Unfortunately, as illustrated in your story, there are some very wicked people out there who just can't understand what you're trying to say unless you give it to them loud and dirty. Crow cages at crossroads were once a popular deterent, as well.

ForeverInDebt | 02-15-2007 04:10 AM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 509942) Crow cages at crossroads were once a popular deterent, as well.
Yep........ Quote:
Willow: What's that? Madmartigan: Smells like a battle. Willow: I suppose you're a warrior. Madmartigan: I am the greatest swordsman that ever lived. Say, um, can I have some of that water? --- Airk: Ha ha ha! Madmartigan. What'd you do this time? Madmartigan: Nothing you wouldn't have done in my place. Airk: I always knew you'd end up in a crow's cage. Madmartigan: Well, at least I'm not down there herding sheep.

Onboard | 02-15-2007 01:59 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 509520) I don't know what you mean by a pre-emptive strike but I am planning to actively patrol my local area. If I'm going to have to fight I'd rather not do it in my own yard. Areas of lawlessness will breed more lawlessness. If I can stabilize my immediate area I have a much better chance for a tranquil life. I won't tolerate any sort of robbery, bullying, gang behaviour or similar.
I live in the country, kinda sorta. When we first bought here you had to have a well for water. Then city water was piped in. The population for this road (approximately 10 mile) probably quadrupled. Three acres and a septic and people poured in. My thinking is a lot of decent folk moved in but some real trash came too. Had two dogs come up missing, the last one about two weeks before the theft. They would tell if anyone at anytime showed up on my little spread. My intentions are to head to the hills about four hours away where we have alot more land if TSHTF. However I don't have shelter there yet. So, if TSHTF in a big way. Mushroom clouds, the lights go out for who knows how long kind of thing. If we have to stay here and my bugout area is not ready, I'm thinking pre-emptive on a select basis. Because the trash will show up if they can. I plan on not being here but I can't be sure. I am definitely not what you would consider a tough guy, just thinking about what if.

REV127 | 02-15-2007 02:17 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF Sorry to hear about your dogs. There are always a few bad apples, aren't there? The good news is you don't have to be as tough if you're smart. In regards to shelter I saw a most ingenious sort of shelter among the earthworks at a civil war site. It was essentially a round pit dug into the ground perhaps half the height of a man. It was lined with logs arranged vertically for walls, allowing for full standing room. They also supported a log roof. The whole of this was then covered with the earth removed from the pit save for a narrow passage, rendering the shelter very resistant to bullets, bombs and light cannon. You could build something like this in a couple weekends for no more than the cost of a shovel and an axe.

lhslancers | 02-15-2007 02:46 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF 1 Attachment(s) Get busy.:beer: :9536:

Onboard | 02-15-2007 02:57 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF Good idea on the earthwork shelter Rev, I'll get to googling. Thanks. Anty Ep, I could not place Colonel Kurtz but the name was so familiar. Did a quick google and now you and Wikipedia have got me tickled:rofl: . A scene from that would definitely get the attention of the riff raff wouldn't it? Gotta google now.

Onboard | 02-15-2007 03:05 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF Ihlancer, I didn't know it would get this busy. Think I'll use my chainsaw and wish for a backhoe:emotions16: . Later ya'll.

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 02-15-2007 03:24 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverInDebt (Post 509653) Is this the second one you are referring to? http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=559
I tried looking that up from the site and was BLOCKED with a IT nasty-gram which read: Prohibited: Terrorist/militant/extremist Now I just HAVE to see it!

Anty Ep | 02-15-2007 03:44 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by Onboard (Post 510456) Good idea on the earthwork shelter Rev, I'll get to googling. Thanks. Anty Ep, I could not place Colonel Kurtz but the name was so familiar. Did a quick google and now you and Wikipedia have got me tickled:rofl: . A scene from that would definitely get the attention of the riff raff wouldn't it? Gotta google now.
Colonel Kurtz was the name of the character in the Joseph Conrad story "heart of Darkness" who went up the river in Belgian Congo and went nutzo-mass-homicidial against the natives. This short story was the inspiration for the excellent film "Apocalypse Now" in which Marlon Brando played the character by that name, the narrator played by Martin Sheeny.

Kahlil Gibran | 02-15-2007 04:03 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 509537) The first few days they will be drunk and disorderly and that's when to take the brutes down and give em the Colonel Kurtz treatment-
Attachment 24211 Colonel Kurtz going all Apocalypse Now on 'em

Anty Ep | 02-15-2007 04:05 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF You know who was in that film, you may not have noticed? Larry Fishburne. One of my favorite movies, anyhow. Though Charlie Sheeny's drunken monkey tai chi scene now makes me laugh. But I still dig the long climax montage set to the Doors' "The End."

bigdaddy40 | 02-15-2007 05:45 PM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF Quote:
Originally Posted by lhslancers (Post 510445) Get busy.:beer: :9536:
like one armed paper hanger............

Masonic Plot | 02-18-2007 10:30 AM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF GREAT KURTZ QUOTES I watched a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That's my dream. That's my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight... razor... and surviving. You're an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill. I've seen horrors... horrors that you've seen. But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that... but you have no right to judge me. It's impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror. Horror has a face... and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies. I remember when I was with Special Forces. Seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate the children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for Polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men... trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love... but they had the strength... the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion... without judgment... without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us.

Dave Thomas | 03-23-2007 02:09 AM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF You know reading this, I wonder if I was to bug out walking through the great outdoors, what kind of signal could I give to the would be denizens of the post TSHTF world to signify that I was non combative or just "Passing Through." I think about this constantly. I won't be clawing at your door. I even get scared hiking through state parks, I see tons of 7.62 steel littering the ground. The way I see it, just breathing post SHTF will make you a target. Can we come up with some universal GIM flag waving scheme to prevent a ventilation exercise? I think growing a long beard like Paul Kruger, and turning to the side for a moment would be sufficient.

RiverRat | 03-23-2007 02:43 AM
Re: I'm Going To Be A Busy Man Come SHTF :coolbeer: Thanks MP... Having watched Kurtz in action you got to give him credit... Psycho or Genius is a fine line.. Quote:
Horror has a face... and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not,then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies.
Captain Willard got it...probably the only reason he and Lance walked out alive... TPTB are well aware of using moral terror as a psy ops offensive procedure if things get real bad. All righty then....let the games begin. Takes one to know one... :musicus: :s10: :musicus:

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