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gunner | 11-20-2006 06:20 PM
Bug-out property south of the NAU border Assuming the North American Union goes through, our Constitution is officially dead, the new draft is sending patriots overseas to protect Haliburton's work force in the New Iran, what would be the best place to go for a few more years of freedom? Another way of looking at it, where could you go to; live cheaply (low taxes, cost of living) in a moral society, where family and friends are important resources are plentiful there's little infrastructure (little to no surveilance) few laws/rules/restrictions small government ...basically, where no one would bother you and you could live a simple life Nicaragua El Salvador Honduras Costa Rica Belize Panama Venezuela Chile Peru Ecuador Argentina Paraguay (our President's top pick) Uraguay Columbia Bolivia Brazil ...any thoughts?

cb&julie | 11-20-2006 06:22 PM
Re: Bug-out property south of the NAU border I think that the lovely CH would still be way up on my list - assuming I could get in.

gunner | 11-20-2006 06:32 PM
Re: Bug-out property south of the NAU border Quote:
Originally Posted by cb&julie (Post 421704) I think that the lovely CH would still be way up on my list - assuming I could get in.
Have you checked the prices of housing in Switzerland? Seems pretty expensive. I'm really not sure about the infrastructure and taxation, but I believe it's fairly high. I do have to say though, it probably would be very safe considering the european bankers have a big presence in that region, and they view the rest of the world as being uncivilized. They see the world as their plantation, they farm their chattle and will cull the herd when it stops producing. That being said, I would assume that Switzerland may be a safe, but expensive place to go...if available

REV127 | 11-20-2006 06:40 PM
Re: Bug-out property south of the NAU border I liked the Yucatan and could see going back if circumstances dictated. Central and South America is what it is. If you're not filthy rich and if you didn't grow up in the rougher quarters I'd not reccomend it as an escape. If you're Spanish isn't good you will be likely be eaten alive. There is a learning curve, anyway. Oh yeah, not all Spanish is the same. I can't understand the Argentinians hardly at all.

crazychicken | 11-20-2006 06:50 PM
Re: Bug-out property south of the NAU border Honduras I was there during the war in the '80s--not military. I have property SE of Tegushi on the way to Danli in the town of Jacaleapa in the El Pariso district. Wonderful people, great climate. Not one bad memory. Has my vote. CC

gunner | 11-20-2006 07:05 PM
Re: Bug-out property south of the NAU border Quote:
Originally Posted by crazychicken (Post 421737) Honduras I was there during the war in the '80s--not military. I have property SE of Tegushi on the way to Danli in the town of Jacaleapa in the El Pariso district. Wonderful people, great climate. Not one bad memory. Has my vote. CC
Funny you should say that, I know a little bit about that country as well. Have you any had any problems with squatters on your property? I agree, the people there are very nice, moral, and conservative in a way things were around here in the 50s. From what I hear, they are having a problems with gangs and UN is helping this along. Amnesty International is tying the hands of the police and the criminals are now able to operate protectionist rackets, I know someone personally that is paying to keep her store right now. Never been to Tegusagalpala but San Pedro Sula and Copan were pretty nice. Beautiful country, tremendous resources, family oriented, little infrastructure, however - kidnappings and robberies are on the rise.

Worldmariner | 11-20-2006 07:11 PM
Re: Bug-out property south of the NAU border [quote=gunner;421702], what would be the best place to go for a few more years of freedom? Another way of looking at it, where could you go to; live cheaply (low taxes, cost of living) in a moral society, where family and friends are important resources are plentiful there's little infrastructure (little to no surveilance) few laws/rules/restrictions small government ...basically, where no one would bother you and you could live a simple life quote] Gunner, I would mention that in my experience was a world traveller, the less infrastructure you have is indicative of the lowered stability (economically, politically) of a particular country. Costa Rica is nice, but they are the USA's dog. Hard to guess if they would implement the same passport controls and whatnot as the NAU. A place as you described would also need an armory in the house, and probably a 12 wall around the property. If I were going to live that way, I would even consider the Philippines. If you want to be near the USA, maybe a carribbean island would work? you will need plenty of money though, and access to WallStreet somehow to manage your funds.

Worldmariner | 11-20-2006 07:16 PM
Re: Bug-out property south of the NAU border Quote:
Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 421722) I liked the Yucatan and could see going back if circumstances dictated. Central and South America is what it is. If you're not filthy rich and if you didn't grow up in the rougher quarters I'd not reccomend it as an escape. If you're Spanish isn't good you will be likely be eaten alive. There is a learning curve, anyway. Oh yeah, not all Spanish is the same. I can't understand the Argentinians hardly at all.
The Yucatan is in Mexico and would be part of the NAU. Culturally I have heard what you say is true. Argentines speal Castillano... the "s" sounds like "th"... they lithp. I have a very hard time with Argentines... To me it almost sounds like Brasilian Portuguese, which I seem to be unanle to learn.

crazychicken | 11-20-2006 07:20 PM
Re: Bug-out property south of the NAU border Quote:
Originally Posted by gunner (Post 421750) Funny you should say that, I know a little bit about that country as well. Have you any had any problems with squatters on your property? I agree, the people there are very nice, moral, and conservative in a way things were around here in the 50s. From what I hear, they are having a problems with gangs and UN is helping this along. Amnesty International is tying the hands of the police and the criminals are now able to operate protectionist rackets, I know someone personally that is paying to keep her store right now. Never been to Tegusagalpala but San Pedro Sula and Copan were pretty nice. Beautiful country, tremendous resources, family oriented, little infrastructure, however - kidnappings and robberies are on the rise.
I have 17 hectacres right on the highway from Tegushi to Danli. The road you turn off on to get into Jacaleapa has a Military Post right on the corner. I am on the opposite corner on the same side of the road. My driveway gate opens right to the military's gate. I have fruit trees and a big garden area as well as my Au leaching operations there. Outside of a bunch of stray burros I haven't had one episode of anything you would consider negative happen. But I don't skrimp when I go to the grocery or the liquor store. The troops eat and drink well. I buy everything I can from the townspeople. Even have one lady delivers fresh tortilias to my house evry day. Her daughter works cleaning the house, her brother i law does my gardening. No trouble, nothing. From anyone. Of course the military sometimes has to make sure that nobody bothers their coca-cola supplier. And call it whatever you want to feel good, but it is truly a military dictatorship. Not on paper but for real.

gunner | 11-20-2006 07:38 PM
Re: Bug-out property south of the NAU border Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldmariner (Post 421756) Gunner, I would mention that in my experience was a world traveller, the less infrastructure you have is indicative of the lowered stability (economically, politically) of a particular country. Costa Rica is nice, but they are the USA's dog. Hard to guess if they would implement the same passport controls and whatnot as the NAU. A place as you described would also need an armory in the house, and probably a 12 wall around the property. If I were going to live that way, I would even consider the Philippines. If you want to be near the USA, maybe a carribbean island would work? you will need plenty of money though, and access to WallStreet somehow to manage your funds.
I understand and agree with the less infrastructure/lowered stability equation, but would rather deal with street thugs and personal freedom than police state/tax/regulate/control-me in safety big brother land...where I can still be sent to Gitmo or DU sandbox USA-east. You're probably right about Costa Rica being USA's dog and the NAU could swallow up central America in a heartbeat, imposing the same restrictions, however it would take years to build out the infrastructure. Needing and arsenal and a 12 foot wall around my property - perish the thought !! :wink: Considering the Caribbean island option although water, tillable soil and possibly taxes could make that not pan out so well...although crime tends to be a lot less and community is pretty tight-knit. Forget Wall Street, I'd do rental property as income, more stable and easier to control, was considering farming or fishing for food and solar/windmill for power.

REV127 | 11-20-2006 09:01 PM
Re: Bug-out property south of the NAU border There are no property taxes in the Bahamas and the people are mostly ok outside the drug circles, just understand that you are the second class citizen there if you're white and not a tourist. The Bahamas are actually a lot like Florida, except with less whites, more blacks, more crowding and no large animals. That and they have mullet of unusual size, three footers some of them. It was nuts. Anyway, you can do aquaculture and pump the water through a hydroponic system for a symbiotic method of farming that works anywhere. Chickens and goats also thrive in islands. The Carribean is the cradle of barbeque and for that reason alone should rate among the top alternate destinations. :coolbeer: The thing about the Yucatan is that it will be on the winning side of the NAU, which is a symptom and not the disease in the first place. My line of thinking is more along the lines of what ground do I want to fight for and possibly die on rather than where can I hide as I don't believe any nation will be "safe." I would say Asia because the Asians are civilized and coming into their own after a long period of decline, but they will be caught up in world events so they'd be great after the deal goes down but misery getting there. It isn't the theta that gets me about Argentines, it's the tone and melody or something, it's hard for me to follow. Kinda like Italian maybe? I used to date a girl from Argentina. I could never follow what her and her mom were saying but I had no problem with my Honduran ex or with Mexicans, Cubans, Colombians and others.

gunner | 11-20-2006 09:15 PM
Re: Bug-out property south of the NAU border As far as grounds to fight on and die for - home is where the heart is and wherever you make it to be...JMO

Nuggethunter | 11-20-2006 10:11 PM
Re: Bug-out property south of the NAU border INVEST IN COSTA RICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.crtropical.tv/google/

gunner | 11-21-2006 09:11 AM
Re: Bug-out property south of the NAU border Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuggethunter (Post 421914) INVEST IN COSTA RICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.crtropical.tv/google/
Have you invested in or checked out any of these properties?

Goldhedge | 11-21-2006 09:43 AM
Re: Bug-out property south of the NAU border Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuggethunter (Post 421914) INVEST IN COSTA RICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.crtropical.tv/google/
It may be too late to invest here. Just like you hear about a hot stock after it's cooked, I'm starting to 'hear' locally about Costa Rica as a place to invest. I'd say 10 years ago would have been the time to be there. I could be wrong.

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