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numbat | 10-30-2007 08:29 AM
Doomsday scenarios I live in a very remote part of Aussie and live off the land apart from flour and oatmeal.There is plenty of fish and game and we survive without cars having a small boat with an outboard that uses gas.that i have shipped in twice a year. It is difficult enough to survive without having to worry about enemies who are constantly trying to to dispossess you.You can see the results of armed resistance to authority in Lebanon and Iraq. Do you think you could repel a determined government force and look after yourself and loved oneswhile entrenched in a bunker.? Take a look at the resistance fighters over the years,fight them well away from your home and family with other like minded people.Short term self defense is one thing, long term survival requires the cooperation of a great number of like minded people. Never been to the US but interested in where you see the problem coming from.

Wyldwil | 10-30-2007 08:37 AM
Re: Doomsday scenarios Quote:
Originally Posted by numbat (Post 802665) IIt is difficult enough to survive without having to worry about enemies who are constantly trying to to dispossess you.You can see the results of armed resistance to authority in Lebanon and Iraq. Do you think you could repel a determined government force and look after yourself and loved oneswhile entrenched in a bunker.?
Sadly....No. IMO, once you are on their radar, it's just a matter of time before you're toast. In your situation, there's a good chance that the armies of the world will be too busy killing each other than to mess with your little community. Armed "bandits" are another story however..... Rev 127 posted some good stuff about this before, maybe he'll chime in again.

Maddie | 10-30-2007 09:07 AM
Re: Doomsday scenarios No. One can't really fight and hole up at the same time. A choice will have to be made.

walker10 | 10-30-2007 10:44 AM
Re: Doomsday scenarios You absolutely cannot defend yourself in a bunker against the government. They have more of everything than you or I do. On top of that, fixed fortifications are losers, look at how well trench warfare in WWI worked. One thing is to adopt a 'grey man' approach, that is to say, stay off the goverment's radar screen so you present no interest to them to start with. If that's not possible, or is too late due to a previous encounter, have another location prepared to run to. Preferably, it will be in another remote location known only to you, with the things you will need to survive for a prolonged period of time.

Squirrel Bait | 10-30-2007 10:45 AM
Re: Doomsday scenarios Mornin' Numbat, well at least it's mornin' here. Hey, what exactly do you mean by "Doomsday"? Do you mean massive numbers of nukes hitting hard ground targets putting a phenominal amount of radiation and dust into the atmosphere. Or, do you mean a WWIII scenario where nukes will be used primarily as air detonations, but armies are used for invasions? Either scenario is survivable, but I don't think many people will be able to "hole up". Either way you will be effected and eventually have to make tough decisions. SB

SilverCity | 10-30-2007 11:10 AM
Re: Doomsday scenarios How about this scenario? http://www.webpal.org/a_reconstructi...death/dogs.htm ...many instances...and not even SHTF:smokin: my choice for wild dog packs or most any SHTF...several of these: http://content.answers.com/main/cont...69/G18_mag.jpg

Baphomet Jones | 10-30-2007 11:36 AM
Re: Doomsday scenarios I'm not sure if its really possible to win a war if you're always on the defensive, no matter who the enemy is, go on the offensive and hit 'em where it hurts, before you're on the defensive. A good offense is your best defense, you know? Not that I'm advocating terroristic activities or anything though.

DogFarm | 10-30-2007 03:01 PM
Re: Doomsday scenarios What about this one: http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle7147.htm

Hivemindgammahydra7 | 10-30-2007 03:20 PM
Re: Doomsday scenarios An excellent essay - thanks, DogFarm. Quote:
Originally Posted by DogFarm (Post 803193) What about this one: http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle7147.htm

Squirrel Bait | 10-30-2007 04:19 PM
Re: Doomsday scenarios Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 802852) How about this scenario? http://www.webpal.org/a_reconstructi...death/dogs.htm ...many instances...and not even SHTF:smokin: my choice for wild dog packs or most any SHTF...several of these: http://content.answers.com/main/cont...69/G18_mag.jpg
Silver, Wild Dogs Pose Post-TEOTWAWKI Danger Come on, "a dog is a fine meal" Col Benjamin Martin(aka, The Patriot). There should be plenty to go around. Cats, on the other hand, I've eheard they taste nasty. SB

wallew | 10-30-2007 04:27 PM
Re: Doomsday scenarios Uh, can't fight a government with a VERY SMALL FORCE? Apparently nobody knows about the IRA. We are talking about a tiny 'unknown' force. Lived with the local populace (not 'holed up in a bunker') that threw off the English Army. Did it happen overnight? NO. If you can't take a 'long view' of your situation OR HISTORY, then you will definitely lose. But if you can, the sky's the limit. The same is true of the 'founding' of this country. Less than 10% of the populace supported the 'revolution'. VERY SMALL FORCES slowly chopped the worlds greatest army (at the time) into so many losses they finally gave up. Study history. Time and again a small force CAN utterly destroy a large force. NEED MORE? How about Afghanistan vs Russia? Vietnamese against the US? History is FULL of small, under armed, under supplied, under fed forces taking on 'modern' armies and whupping them. Again, you MUST take the 'long view' to achieve this. History shows it's not only possible, but has occured. Over and over and over again.

mtnman | 10-30-2007 07:41 PM
Re: Doomsday scenarios Leaderless Resistance http://www.louisbeam.com/leaderless.htm I read the essay Silvercity posted, Yes dogs in packs are dangerous but I don't beleive the author has ever been around dogs. If he had, he would know the ALPHA dog in a pack will be a female (Bitch) not a male (Dog).

numbat | 10-30-2007 09:21 PM
we have already seen feral dogs kill and eat an old pensioner At Halls Creek and a friend fought off a pack in the same area using an iron picket saving a person who was returning to a fringe camp outside town. In the 1970's I was employed to destroy feral dogs in a small coastal town.It had become a spot for hippies to overwinter and, as you say they would leave these pets to fend for themselves when they left town. I destroyed over 600 dogs in a few months starting with night patrols and finshing on foot in the thick scrub along the sand dunes. In the great Depression my family had a large cattle station in Queensland of 800 sq miles.Although they had plenty of food they had to hunt koala bears, possums and platypus to earn cash as skins were worth far more than stock. Shooting was done at night using carbide lamps and .22 rifles.The womenfolk also boiled down cattle for tallow for which there was a market. There was a constant stream of travellers on the road.Swagmen we called them,forced to leave the cities to seek work to support their families. Although there was discontent an rioting in some cities the bush was peaceful due in part to the fact that most households were armed,and that food was plentiful. Considering the armageddon scenario I am constantly amazed at the zeal with the fanatic element of the "Children of the Book" seem to want to bring it on.If they succeed the few suvivors may be faced with not only destroying their animals but their loved ones as well.Lets not go there....Thanks for your thoughts.

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