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asilver | 01-24-2008 07:59 PM
best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm http://www.impactguns.com/store/medi...lock_73204.jpg I heard this gun is very easy to control with almost no recoil, Im a weak person so I can't have much recoil. NYPD uses this gun also. :D do you think its a good handgun?

gbgunner | 01-24-2008 08:05 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm It's a very good quality handgun. Reliable. Durable. Accurate. I owned one but could not shoot it well so I went back to the Beretta 92. I suggest going to rental range and trying out several models. I found the G19 had more recoil than my Beretta. Ended up taking a loss on a G19 and a G17 because I wasn't comfortable with them.

extremist | 01-24-2008 08:11 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm There's no "best" for everyone, but Tyrone, Tyrese, *and* Tyshaun concur on this one. It's probably the most recommended 9mm, except by those who can't get used to its grip angle and can't shoot it accurately.

Glass | 01-24-2008 08:15 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm a lot of people really enjoy this firearm. it IS nice and light, I personally find it hard to resight quickly and I do not like the trigger safety. I prefer something with a little bit more weight in it. I found the mag was harder to load than other handguns, though the loading helper(?) that came with it worked well once you understood how it operates. Would not be any good if you needed to load a mag in a tight spot and you have weaker hands like me. of course as someone somewhere pointed out, if you have emptied the mag and you are still in a spot of trouble then a handgun was probably not the weapon of choice for the situation. I am still trying different firearms to find one that suits me. The Beretta is next on my list. I liked the Browning HighPower but it is oversized for my hands. The M&P might be worth a look for you. Polymer, not a bad gun. I didn't think the recoil was too bad. I don't like the 3 dot sights which the rental had. I like the look of the CZ but they are virtually unheard of down here. I also like the look of the Sig but that looks like a pricey unit, especially when we pay 100%+ of what you do in the US.

<SLV> | 01-24-2008 08:18 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Step right up, Glock 19 fans, I have a *LNIB* one for sale! I bought mine 2 weeks ago, then after shooting it at the indoor range I decided that we didn't "connect" (even though it was very accurate). I just picked up a CZ P-01 yesterday. I haven't shot it yet, but my hand is already much happier.

sand86 | 01-24-2008 08:23 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm I'd like to hear how the CZ P-01 treats you. I'm interested in buying one myself in the next year.

<SLV> | 01-24-2008 08:27 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by sand86 (Post 935239) I'd like to hear how the CZ P-01 treats you. I'm interested in buying one myself in the next year.
I'll give a report on GIM after I shoot it. So far I think it beats the Glock in every way except simplicity. You've gotta like the fact that the Glock just has a trigger -- nothing else.

SilverCity | 01-24-2008 08:43 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm I have been in a situation where I drew my pistol when two guys were breaking into my house at 10:00AM on a Monday...prime break-in time. Believe me when adrenaline rush sets in and starts pumping through your veins, the first thing--you will LOSE ALL FINE MOTOR SKILLS! Try finding that safety, or racking that slide, or inserting that magazine, or HELL WHERE DID I PUT THAT DAMN PISTOL ANYWAY...all in a hurry when you are in a state of PANIC! The LESS you have to think about the BETTER... That is one of the PRIME reasons LE go to Glock....Because there is nothing else to think about but draw, point, and pull the trigger.

<SLV> | 01-24-2008 08:44 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 935265) I have been in a situation where I drew my pistol when two guys were breaking into my house at 10:00AM on a Monday...prime break-in time. Believe me when adrenaline rush sets in and starts pumping through your veins, the first thing, you will LOSE ALL FINE MOTOR SKILLS! Try finding that safety, or racking that slide, or inserting that magazine, or HELL WHERE DID I PUT THAT DAMN PISTOL ANYWAY...all in a hurry when you are in a state of PANIC! The LESS you have to think about the BETTER... That is one of the PRIME reasons LE go to Glock....Because there is nothing else to think about but draw and shoot.
That's why I went with the CZ P-01 vs. other models: decocker instead of safety. Don't want a safety on a defensive gun.

Glass | 01-24-2008 08:56 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm can I just clarify de-clocker. I have one in the chamber, the hammer is lowered and I have a double action first shot? There is a hammer blocker in there as well until I make that DA. Is that right?

SilverCity | 01-24-2008 09:00 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by asilver (Post 935192) http://www.impactguns.com/store/medi...lock_73204.jpg I heard this gun is very easy to control with almost no recoil, Im a weak person so I can't have much recoil. NYPD uses this gun also. :D do you think its a good handgun?
I am a Glock fan (armorer) so my opinion is a little biased :wink: but the 19 is the most popular Glock model by far... I give it a solid recommendation...just be patient, learn to handle and shoot it properly, get competent training if necessary... or go to your local range and rent different makes and models (I'll bet they have mostly Glocks) see how you like each one. P.S. There are many fine pistols out there that may well suit your needs.

<SLV> | 01-24-2008 09:01 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by Glass (Post 935300) can I just clarify de-clocker. I have one in the chamber, the hammer is lowered and I have a double action first shot? There is a hammer blocker in there as well until I make that DA. Is that right?
Correct. Load a round, decock and the hammer lowers in a controled manner, but not brought into contact with the seer. First pull is DA (unless you cock the hammer manually) and each successive shot is SA.

SilverCity | 01-24-2008 09:07 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by Glass (Post 935300) can I just clarify de-clocker. I have one in the chamber, the hammer is lowered and I have a double action first shot? There is a hammer blocker in there as well until I make that DA. Is that right?
Oh, yes you can safely lower the hammer with the de-cocker with a round in the chamber.

graspAU | 01-24-2008 09:40 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm SilverCity, can an armorer do the work that Glock does at the factory? Specifically my 1992 G21 qualifies for an upgraded ejector, extractor, and a 5 degree cut on the breach face. Does the cut have to be done at the factory? I am hearing too many horror stories lately about people shipping guns and they get stolen via the shipping company. PM me if you feel it's too off topic for this thred. - tHANKS! Back on topic. I love glocks and shoot them very well. My Glock 21 was my first pistol so I learned on it.

SilverCity | 01-24-2008 10:00 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by scottp999 (Post 935405) SilverCity, can an armorer do the work that Glock does at the factory? Specifically my 1992 G21 qualifies for an upgraded ejector, extractor, and a 5 degree cut on the breach face. Does the cut have to be done at the factory? I am hearing too many horror stories lately about people shipping guns and they get stolen via the shipping company. PM me if you feel it's too off topic for this thred. - tHANKS! Back on topic. I love glocks and shoot them very well. My Glock 21 was my first pistol so I learned on it.
My first question, does your pistol function properly? If so, you might leave it alone and just shoot it. Next: Call Glock and ask them if they will re-cut the slide and how much they charge...I am sure it won't be for free... Or: Just sell it and buy a newer one, like maybe the new G21SF? And no, an armorer would NOT re-cut the slide for you...you would have to send it back to Smyrna, GA.

graspAU | 01-24-2008 10:04 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 935435) My first question, does your pistol function properly? If so, you might leave it alone and just shoot it. Next: Call Glock and ask them if they will re-cut the slide and how much they charge...I am sure it won't be for free... Or: Just sell it and buy a newer one, like maybe the new G21SF? And no, an armorer would NOT re-cut the slide for you...you would have to send it back to Smyrna, GA.
It shoots great. Had one failure to feed with a mag that was over 10 years old, on the last round. I was told glock would do the work for free by another armorer, "It sounds as though your pistol has the upgraded parts which is most critical, but If your pistol has a 90 degree breechface which I'm most certain it does, it would qualify for a 15 degree angle cut, an upgraded ejector and housing, and extractor upgrade for free from the factory. While your pistol is ok as is, I personally would have the slide cut and ejector/extractor upgrade done. It will only cost you shipping one way to Glock." By upgraded parts, he means the "six part upgrade" which it does have. I just think I will hold onto it as is. Can't see taking the risk of losing my first gun in the mail. I am going to pick up a new 3rd gen G21 in the next couple of weeks. Bought a G30 earlier this month, but haven't had time to fire it yet. Thanks for your input!

money matters | 01-24-2008 11:32 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Best fighting pistol? 45acp Colt 1911 series 70.

buff01 | 01-25-2008 02:51 AM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by asilver (Post 935192) http://www.impactguns.com/store/medi...lock_73204.jpg I heard this gun is very easy to control with almost no recoil, Im a weak person so I can't have much recoil. NYPD uses this gun also. :D do you think its a good handgun?
The GLOCK 19 9mm is buff01 approved. It was my first handgun, and I am 100% satisfied with my purchase. I got the night-sights option which is a no brainer. Get some ball ammo for the range, and some JHP ammo for the home, and you're good to go.

Infidel | 01-25-2008 03:23 AM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm <SLV> would you be interested in a trade for silver? I have some same kind of a generic round [.999 universal trade Unit] or in 90% coin. If interested which state are you in?

Tn...Andy | 01-25-2008 05:49 AM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm His and hers models at our house. Best if wife and you both use the same weapon, IMHO.....that way, if either has to grab the other's, there is no unfamiliarity in time of need. http://www.digistash.com/data/026a39...71_p69043.jpeg

platinumdude | 01-25-2008 09:20 AM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm I like the G19. I did test fire the CZ PO1 and 75 models, didn't like them, but that is me. Best to rent out guns at the range.

graspAU | 01-25-2008 09:46 AM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 935802) His and hers models at our house. Best if wife and you both use the same weapon, IMHO.....that way, if either has to grab the other's, there is no unfamiliarity in time of need. http://www.digistash.com/data/026a39...71_p69043.jpeg
Excellent idea. This is kind of why I am trying to convice my stepfather to go with a Glock 30 or 21. When I buy magazines or ammo I can share them with him.

<SLV> | 01-25-2008 09:46 AM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumdude (Post 936015) I like the G19. I did test fire the CZ PO1 and 75 models, didn't like them, but that is me. Best to rent out guns at the range.
Can I ask why you didn't like the CZs?

platinumdude | 01-25-2008 10:16 AM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 936060) Can I ask why you didn't like the CZs?
I think it's more that I'm used to the glocks. I like the bigger slide, seems easier to rack. I don't like that metal trigger feel. Also I shoot more accurately with the glock, but been shooting that for 6 months.

SilverCity | 01-25-2008 11:08 AM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm 2 Attachment(s) A fine compact pistol is the Sig Sauer P239 in 9, 40, or 357sig Another pistol I like (don't currently own) is the Sig P225 (or P6). These are German Police trade-ins and were around for a good price a while ago... They are only a single stack model (I think 8+1 rounds 9mm) but they feel real good in my hand. You would do well with either one on these Sig Sauers...:wink:

<SLV> | 01-25-2008 11:11 AM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 936225) Another pistol I like (don't currently own) is the Sig P225. There were a bunch of German Police trade-ins around for a good price a while ago... They are only a single stack model (I think 8+1 rounds 9mm) but they feel real good in my hand. Another more compact one is the Sig 239...9mm, 40, 357s.. You would do well with either one on these Sig Sauers...:wink:
I've never like how they look... the barrel is too high above the trigger, I think.

SilverCity | 01-25-2008 12:36 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 936228) I've never like how they look... the barrel is too high above the trigger, I think.
Alluding to your comments about excessive muzzle whip of the Glock 19 on another thread...all of the Sigs tend towards muzzle whip IMO, at least the alloy frame models, due to their lighter weight and the grip angle...(Glocks' grip angle helps minimize this I believe). I think the best solution to this problem is to train someone to a locked wrist discipline when shooting any handgun. My wife has a problem with limp-wristing (she is not petite) and she could actually make the G26 jam, unless I was there to remind her to "LOCK YOUR WRIST"..."oh, okay dear". But in an emergency, I might not be there to remind her...so I went with the G19 for her. She also shoots all of the full-sized heavier calibers just fine.

jrog100 | 01-25-2008 01:09 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by asilver (Post 935192) http://www.impactguns.com/store/medi...lock_73204.jpg I heard this gun is very easy to control with almost no recoil, Im a weak person so I can't have much recoil. NYPD uses this gun also. :D do you think its a good handgun?
It's a good handgun but by no means the "best". That term can only be defined by the user. For me, the best all around handgun is the model 29 with a 4" barrel. For other people it will be something entirely different. Go to the gunshop and fondle it. If it fits you, it may be the right gun for you.

andrey32 | 01-25-2008 01:25 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm OP, take a look at the Springfield Armory XD series pistols. Very comparable to the Glock (in some respects, better). Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverCity (Post 935265) I have been in a situation where I drew my pistol when two guys were breaking into my house at 10:00AM on a Monday...prime break-in time. Believe me when adrenaline rush sets in and starts pumping through your veins, the first thing--you will LOSE ALL FINE MOTOR SKILLS! Try finding that safety, or racking that slide, or inserting that magazine, or HELL WHERE DID I PUT THAT DAMN PISTOL ANYWAY...all in a hurry when you are in a state of PANIC! The LESS you have to think about the BETTER... That is one of the PRIME reasons LE go to Glock....Because there is nothing else to think about but draw, point, and pull the trigger.
Go on, how did that turn out?

SilverCity | 01-25-2008 02:31 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by andrey32 (Post 936482) OP, take a look at the Springfield Armory XD series pistols. Very comparable to the Glock (in some respects, better). Go on, how did that turn out?
LOL...sorry I forgot to finish the story...you are the first to even ask me. I was sleeping (graveyard shift) and awoke when I heard them trying to pick the lock on my back door--got a good look at them through a side window-- and grabbed my S&W 9mm (when my head cleared enough to remember WHERE my pistol was!) tried to consider all my immediate options; my present state of mind (sleep medication); standing there in my underwear; what would happen if I ran around outside and cornered them in the back of the house; how long the police would take to get there; were they armed or not, etc.. At that point I decided "discretion was the better part of valor", pounded on the window to get their attention, and they looked up and quickly ran off. End of story, except I realized only later that I had a POLAROID CAMERA on the table right in front of me...DOH!...could have taken pictures of them "in the act" for police. :banghead:

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Tn...Andy | 01-25-2008 02:33 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Because there is nothing else to think about but draw, point, and pull the trigger. Exactamundo My carry pistol for years was a S&W Mdl 59, which is a double stack mag 9mm auto....but it has a safety lever.....I have forgotten it in target practice, so I can imagine it would be quite easy to do in the stress of actual need. That is one reason I went with the Glock. Those 30 rd mags are another......ahahahaaa.....yeah....I actually got some of them.....stupid things.....

SilverCity | 01-25-2008 02:39 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 936593) Because there is nothing else to think about but draw, point, and pull the trigger. Exactamundo My carry pistol for years was a S&W Mdl 59, which is a double stack mag 9mm auto....but it has a safety lever.....I have forgotten it in target practice, so I can imagine it would be quite easy to do in the stress of actual need. That is one reason I went with the Glock. Those 30 rd mags are another......ahahahaaa.....yeah....I actually got some of them.....stupid things.....
Andy, I had a Smith with a slide mounted safety, and in that incident, boy did I have difficulty getting my thumb up there to push off that safety...I didn't seem to have much coordination at that moment... Finally sold it and began carrying a Glock!

Anty Ep | 01-25-2008 02:44 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm I like the glock, but I'll carry various things depending on where I"m going what I expect if anyhting and how much clothes I'm wearin. usually the glock nor 1911 are my carry choices because not really concealable compared to other choices today I was thinking that I ought to be testing my carry choices with gloves too since it was like 5 below here.

Atahualpa | 01-25-2008 04:22 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 936608) today I was thinking that I ought to be testing my carry choices with gloves too since it was like 5 below here.
In that case, one of those blaster water pistols ought to do the trick. :wink: My preferred carry is a North American Arms .22 magnum with super sonic hollow points. If I get into anything, it will probably be real close action and the little NAA is virtually invisible and 5 shots in the eye or head ought to do the trick. I just drop it in my pocket and there is almost no imprint. You do have to be careful though, it is easy to forget you have it.

Anty Ep | 01-25-2008 04:30 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by Atahualpa (Post 936757) In that case, one of those blaster water pistols ought to do the trick. :wink: My preferred carry is a North American Arms .22 magnum with super sonic hollow points. If I get into anything, it will probably be real close action and the little NAA is virtually invisible and 5 shots in the eye or head ought to do the trick. I just drop it in my pocket and there is almost no imprint. You do have to be careful though, it is easy to forget you have it.
yeah its a sweet piece. like in your avatar. comes with 22LR cynlinder too. I like the CCI ammo for that wha bout you?

andrey32 | 01-25-2008 04:33 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Cool story SilverCity! Goes to show that its good to think about the possible ways things can go down.

Maple Leaf Steve | 01-25-2008 04:38 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm 1 Attachment(s) Go with what the US Navy Seals and I use. :D The 9mm Sig Sauer P226

Atahualpa | 01-25-2008 04:50 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 936775) yeah its a sweet piece. like in your avatar. comes with 22LR cynlinder too. I like the CCI ammo for that wha bout you?
Yep, I use CCI. The Maxi Mag TNT is a little hard to get out of the chambers after firing, but the Maxi Mag + V comes right out. Don't know why? Mine came with the 22LR cylinder as part of the deal...they're not very pricey either. I've got a Glock 19 but have never shot it...if you want some real fire power in a small package, try the Glock 33 .357 sig. My first time I shot my 33, the slide torn up my hand. The grip is small and I was choked up on it so I could hold on to it. I was at the range and acted like nothing happened... but I was hurting and would of like to have been cussing. Funny how sometimes embarrassment is worse than the pain.

Anty Ep | 01-25-2008 04:58 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm thanks anyways I like the glock 9 and I have shot a bunch of matches with it. to me its a natural pointer and the recoil seems like about as much as a .22. I barely notice it. especially if I've been shooting 45 recently. lol

<SLV> | 01-25-2008 05:08 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple Leaf Steve (Post 936791) Go with what the US Navy Seals and I use. :D The 9mm Sig Sauer P226
Don't government contracts usually go to the lowest bidder (with connections)?:tongue_ma:

shades2 | 01-25-2008 10:51 PM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by <SLV> (Post 936848) Don't government contracts usually go to the lowest bidder (with connections)?:tongue_ma:
Not when it comes to special forces. Like some SWAT teams they get to choose what they want to use, and of course, they choose the best available. They also don't necessarily all carry the same thing... some may carry H&K, Browning or SIG depending on the individual. They can do this because expense is not such an issue among such small units, as opposed to an entire army, where anything goes and cheap is sometimes regarded as good. If they are on a specific mission where they all have to use the same type of equipment, they are of course all trained to handle them as the equipment is standard to their role.

Prometheus | 01-26-2008 01:16 AM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 935802) His and hers models at our house. Best if wife and you both use the same weapon, IMHO.....that way, if either has to grab the other's, there is no unfamiliarity in time of need.
My wife and I both carry Springfield XD's, service models in 9mm. Neither one of us can stand gLocks. My wife passionately hates them and I strongly dislike them. From grip angle to trigger pull (yes I know the super great aftermarket triggers jobs, they suck too IMO).. they suck. Reliable? Oh yeah, but I want more than that... so I went with XD's :wink: I was so impressed by my wifes XD (she bought one first) I put my HK USP in the safe and started carrying the XD. gLocks are a very particular weapon, you either love or hate them. Try one first. If you choose it and like it, it'll serve you well... if you buy one and hate it, don't say you weren't warned. http://www.patriotpages.net/images/ammoeditsize.JPG BTW CDNN and midway USA often have the NIB stainless steel 16rd XD mags for 18 bucks each, so magazines are also comparably priced as to gLocks.

shades2 | 01-26-2008 06:13 AM
Re: best overall handgun? Glock 19 9mm Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 937392) My wife and I both carry Springfield XD's, service models in 9mm. Neither one of us can stand gLocks. My wife passionately hates them and I strongly dislike them. From grip angle to trigger pull (yes I know the super great aftermarket triggers jobs, they suck too IMO).. they suck. Reliable? Oh yeah, but I want more than that... so I went with XD's :wink: I was so impressed by my wifes XD (she bought one first) I put my HK USP in the safe and started carrying the XD. gLocks are a very particular weapon, you either love or hate them. Try one first. If you choose it and like it, it'll serve you well... if you buy one and hate it, don't say you weren't warned. http://www.patriotpages.net/images/ammoeditsize.JPG BTW CDNN and midway USA often have the NIB stainless steel 16rd XD mags for 18 bucks each, so magazines are also comparably priced as to gLocks.
I've used both, including the XD in .357SIG. It was very accurate in my hand. It felt a bit "looser" than the GLOCK to me, but had a much nicer trigger, it retails here for basically the same price. It fed well and never jammed once. (Quite hard to jam a .357SIG too apparently as they feed so well..) I'd still go the GLOCK, but I understand why you would go for the XP, it's a very good clone, accurate out of the box, and they seemed to fix up a few things along the way such as some of the ergonomics which would suit more shooters. I don't think the XD would last as long as a GLOCK under punishment, but that's usually a non-issue for the average user. The trigger is the main bonus on the XD, it seems much lighter and smoother than the GLOCK trigger.

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