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DogFarm | 12-17-2007 12:17 AM
X-Box as Training Aid Here's a crazy idea I am going to implement. I think next year (when they are on sale), DogFarm is going to buy an X-Box and hook it up to the 48" Plasma screen and then buy the new Urban Combat game (not sure what it is, but have seen a dozen commercials for it). Figure, each time I go to the range (2x a month) I throw $50 bucks down range and that's from a stationary, non-adrenalized position. I actually think those punk kids who play combat video games all day might be on to something. Thoughts?

budfox | 12-17-2007 12:44 AM
Re: X-Box as Training Aid I'm not sure I would wait that long. The new 'real urban combat game' might be here by then in real time : }

REV127 | 12-17-2007 12:58 AM
Re: X-Box as Training Aid Uncle Sam has been training his employees with videogames for years. A buddy of mine helped develop one of the simulators for Land Warrior. The Army at least used to use a SuperNintendo and a lightgun mock up of an M-16 to teach BRM. It is great supplemental training as long as you get some range time with the real thing and force on force training IRL too. Police Trainer and Lethal Enforcer are two really good arcade games for this as well. The shoot/no shoot decision under stressed circumstances is very useful and directly translates to increased OODA speed.

Goldhedge | 12-17-2007 01:02 AM
Re: X-Box as Training Aid reminds me of the story put out about Saddam taking a bunch of Sony? boxes and connecting them to make some kind of 'super duper' computer, for WMD's of course. Wonder how many of those they found?

Sheepdog | 12-17-2007 01:23 AM
Re: X-Box as Training Aid YouTube - Toys- War!
YouTube - Toys- War!

Baphomet Jones | 12-17-2007 07:58 PM
Re: X-Box as Training Aid You need to scour your area for an arcade that has this game: http://www.triggerzone.de/Special/Tr...Police_911.jpg Police 911 Its pretty entertaining and might actually have some use. The next best thing would be an actual course where you run through and hide behind real obsticals, with the way augmented reality is going, it should only be 4 or 5 years off from civillian market, TPTB probably already have had that for years and are onto something better. The game really works out your hamstrings, having to duck behind cover and lean a lot while crouched. It senses your body movement and will move the screen accordingly. Its pretty cool how you can duck low and peek through a crack or a hole in an obstical for a clear shot and take bad dudes out!

Baphomet Jones | 12-17-2007 08:00 PM
Re: X-Box as Training Aid Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldhedge (Post 878218) reminds me of the story put out about Saddam taking a bunch of Sony? boxes and connecting them to make some kind of 'super duper' computer, for WMD's of course. Wonder how many of those they found?
Not being able to get computers into Iraq because of sanctions, hahaha... yet he's able to obtain WMDs to such a degree of certainty that we'd invade, go figure!

skirnir | 12-17-2007 08:35 PM
Re: X-Box as Training Aid I've been using CoD4, despite my great disdain for the plot (Al-Asad sounds like someone I'd take a bullet for), it's at least improved my reaction time to an environment, as I had 'analysis paralysis' on a micro scale.

Baphomet Jones | 12-17-2007 09:08 PM
Re: X-Box as Training Aid Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirnir (Post 879614) I've been using CoD4, despite my great disdain for the plot (Al-Asad sounds like someone I'd take a bullet for), it's at least improved my reaction time to an environment, as I had 'analysis paralysis' on a micro scale.
Call of Duty 4 is pretty cool, except for the teamates always getting in my way, you can't push them out of the way neither and they don't let you stack up with them, you gotta go in last :( Jerks. Awesome game though! I wish they would have made a random scenario generator like in Soldier of Fortune 2, I don't have internet capable of sustaining online play, so I can't really utilize this game as much as I'd like, now that I beat singleplayer :no_ma:

skirnir | 12-17-2007 09:18 PM
Re: X-Box as Training Aid What would be nice if if there was a hack that would allow one to basically fight off an invader, like certain virtual infid...er...enemies :wink:, as defensive tactics are just as important in a scenario where offensive tactics would be necessary... As for the team-mates, let them take the fire, buys me time to find a good defensive position! :bear_w00t:

Anty Ep | 12-17-2007 09:19 PM
Re: X-Box as Training Aid Quote:
Originally Posted by REV127 (Post 878209) Uncle Sam has been training his employees with videogames for years. A buddy of mine helped develop one of the simulators for Land Warrior. The Army at least used to use a SuperNintendo and a lightgun mock up of an M-16 to teach BRM. It is great supplemental training as long as you get some range time with the real thing and force on force training IRL too. Police Trainer and Lethal Enforcer are two really good arcade games for this as well. The shoot/no shoot decision under stressed circumstances is very useful and directly translates to increased OODA speed.
One of my secret vices before having kids, was that I used to sneak into "the mall" oncet a while, dose up on a couple espressos, and then play Lethal Enforcer for an hour. LOL I dont take too much coffee before real shooting matches though under the theory it will make me jumpy.

buff01 | 12-17-2007 09:49 PM
Re: X-Box as Training Aid Quote:
Originally Posted by DogFarm (Post 878152) Here's a crazy idea I am going to implement. I think next year (when they are on sale), DogFarm is going to buy an X-Box and hook it up to the 48" Plasma screen and then buy the new Urban Combat game (not sure what it is, but have seen a dozen commercials for it). Figure, each time I go to the range (2x a month) I throw $50 bucks down range and that's from a stationary, non-adrenalized position. I actually think those punk kids who play combat video games all day might be on to something. Thoughts?
The game you would be looking for is "Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare". You can train yourself on how to drop bombs on terra'ists too! :bear_w00t:

Baphomet Jones | 12-18-2007 05:40 PM
Re: X-Box as Training Aid Quote:
Originally Posted by buff01 (Post 879771) The game you would be looking for is "Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare". You can train yourself on how to drop bombs on terra'ists too! :bear_w00t:
Have you noticed a distinct lack of terrorism simulation games? :tongue_ma: I'm pretty sure since Grand Theft Auto is a car jacking and police killing simulation, games like Dead Rising could be considered mall terrorist ops training. Postal comes to mind, too. I think it would be pretty easy to hook a nintendo Zapper light gun up to any rifle or pistol and with a little work, end up with a pretty good sim. The technology is ancient, if you can find anyone with programming skills, they could easily make a shooting simulator for you, with realistic ballistics even. If anyone here is talented with coding, I'm good with graphics, we could whip up something nice :D

REV127 | 12-18-2007 06:19 PM
Re: X-Box as Training Aid Quote:
Originally Posted by Baphomet Jones (Post 880987) Have you noticed a distinct lack of terrorism simulation games? :tongue_ma: I'm pretty sure since Grand Theft Auto is a car jacking and police killing simulation, games like Dead Rising could be considered mall terrorist ops training. Postal comes to mind, too. I think it would be pretty easy to hook a nintendo Zapper light gun up to any rifle or pistol and with a little work, end up with a pretty good sim. The technology is ancient, if you can find anyone with programming skills, they could easily make a shooting simulator for you, with realistic ballistics even. If anyone here is talented with coding, I'm good with graphics, we could whip up something nice :D
That's an awesome idea! I'm not a super programmer or graphics guy but I did just figure out how to repackage a lightgun's guts into an AK replica shell! A longer cord will probably be necessary, not to get further back from the tv but just to make sure you don't accidentally yank the plug out of the machine. I do know that the light guns don't shoot anything. When you pull the trigger the screen goes black for a frame except for the target you were supposed to hit. The "gun" is really an electronic eye that checks to see if it is lined up with the target on the screen so really the screen is shooting the gun instead of the gun shooting the target. Heh, anybody remember Captain Power?

macrohard | 12-18-2007 07:09 PM
Re: X-Box as Training Aid Sign up for some blackwater training courses? http://www.blackwaterusa.com/training/courses.asp :D

shades2 | 12-19-2007 11:01 AM
Re: X-Box as Training Aid Video games are all well and good for hand-eye co-ordination, some strategy, aim etc. but for other survival purposes, otherwise useless. Better off spending your time on fitness and self-defense. The Blackwater courses, or similar (probably do it elsewhere a lot cheaper than Blackwater will) are not such a nutty idea if you are into the idea of combat gunnery. A lot of people do paintball too.

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