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wallew | 05-30-2006 04:26 PM
Do you own JUST firearms?? OK, This is all about keeping the hoards from storming the castle after SHTF or TEOWAKI. Do you own multiple firearms? Do you have several cases of ammo? Well that's a great start. But what about OTHER means of protection. Several come to mind. CS gas. ANFO. Napalm. Claymores. Almost ALL of these can be home made. You can even make C4 and other things that go boom with stuff you buy right off the shelf. Hell, go watch the second Mad Max movie where he hooks up with a community that has access to natural gas. They made some killer looking flame throwers. NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I don't WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE, just if you are prepared. That's it.

Book | 05-30-2006 04:44 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Yeah...let's get ATF and FBI agents joining GIM to further this discussion! :rolleyes: [kiss your server good-bye G-khan]

Alric | 05-30-2006 04:47 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? You defending your home or starting a war? heh

mtnman | 05-30-2006 04:51 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? I have a Cannon, muzzle loader of course!

REV127 | 05-30-2006 04:52 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Fox Labs sells pepper spray grenades and 1lbs fogger units, good for area of denial applications. Smoke is commercially available as well in grenade and generator form. I was looking at bear traps the other day, reuseable poor man's land mines... also worth mentioning are lots of large dogs, they're like your own cheap to feed mini-army/cannon fodder that will slow up attackers long enough for you to be ready to deal with them even when you get caught unawares.

Silver Scout | 05-30-2006 04:52 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman I have a Cannon, muzzle loader of course!
maybe u can save up for a shaving razor next

Master_Ho | 05-30-2006 04:58 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric You defending your home or starting a war? heh
Lord - I was worried about keeping a small group of people back - not an entire army! HOWEVER - let me clearly say - in addition to my various handguns and shotguns - I also have an attack-cat, an attack-parrot and an attack-wife..........all of whom are more dangerous than me! :D Ho

Alric | 05-30-2006 05:07 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Claymores and napalm are for serious fighting. They are for total TEOTWAWKI only, as your going to jail if you ever kill someone using either. Infact if you got caught with napalm they would probably send you to jail anyway.

mtnman | 05-30-2006 05:09 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Scout maybe u can save up for a shaving razor next
WHY? I've had this beard longer that you have been on this earth. I like it and my wife likes it, that is all that matters.

Tn...Andy | 05-30-2006 05:13 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric Infact if you got caught with napalm they would probably send you to jail anyway.
Napalm is just gasoline with a generous portion of Tide soap powder mixed in.....we've all got the ingredients laying around the house...just makes a sticky, jellied gasoline........though WHY you even want to make it is beyond me.....without a good delievery system, like frangible canisters and a A-4 to drop them, I can't see the value of it.

Alric | 05-30-2006 05:16 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Sounds like he wanted to put it into a flame thrower type weapon. And if they catch you with a flame thrower making napalm your going to jail.

Tn...Andy | 05-30-2006 05:29 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Lots of handy items laying around lots of households digused at everyday stuff, if you know how to maximise their use......and don't really mind the fact that your 'castle' is not likely to look quite the same when you're done....ahahahahaaaa......of course, if I'm sitting 500' up the mountain at the other end of a roll of doorbell wire, I might NOT care what the house looks like after the welcoming party for my UN buddies. Welkomin nach Tennessee.

wallew | 05-30-2006 05:39 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew This is all about keeping the hoards from storming the castle after SHTF or TEOWAKI. I don't WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE, just if you are prepared. That's it.
Note I did say I don't WANT TO KNOW what you have. This thread was specifically to make people aware of what's available with stuff in their homes right now. THINK McGyver. Not Mad Max. I just wanted folks to think and plan for all contigencies. Not suggesting you use them. But just to think about possibilities. I've been working on converting an air powered nail gun into a heavy weapon. And I know people that do the 'pumpkin cannon' thing. There is a guy here in Denver that has one that's about thirty feet long when assembled. He can throw a pumpkin (fairly accurately) almost one mile. Just stuff like that. Re the ATF or the FBI. I've been on ALL the lists for a long time. Hell, when I went to gunsmithing school they ran me through NICS. Then when I graduated, they ran me through it again. So they ALL KNOW where I am. I'm NOT anti government. Just ANTI-STUPID.

Alric | 05-30-2006 06:02 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Its not really an option for me, unless I wanted to take out half the heighborhood.

GOLD DUCK | 05-30-2006 07:08 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? QWAK,LOL,Think Viet Nam and VIET CONG, damn near any thing can be BOOBEY TRAPED, it don't have to go BANG to mess up your day and the rest of your life too! You don't have to be RAMBO to take a bunch of them out BUT once you cross that line you can't go back you got to keep going and odds are you will not get as far as Rambo did, HELL he would have been history the first 15 min. if it was not just a movie! Think LONG and hard befor going down that road,life is REAL not a movie with special effects! the DUCK

melbo | 05-30-2006 09:23 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric Sounds like he wanted to put it into a flame thrower type weapon. And if they catch you with a flame thrower making napalm your going to jail.
A flame thrower is NOT a firearm, NOT a class III weapon, and NOT a destructive device. If you can find one or build one, You can show it off to your buddies. Absolutely legal with no paper required Here's my take on weapons, (And I have a few). If you think you need it, get it or the means to make it. If you are afraid of the consequences, then don't... You won't have the balls to use it when needed. BTW, I just filled out the paper for another Suppressor. Yeah that puts me on the list... AGAIN.. I guess I'm on that ist 300+ times. Oh well. You can't hide from this .gov

Patriot-Act | 05-30-2006 09:55 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnman I have a Cannon, muzzle loader of course!
Me too - a repro Brown Bess. The great thing is you can load it with any old junk - broken glass, jelly-beans, pepper, gravel, etc.

Prometheus | 05-30-2006 11:47 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by melbo A flame thrower is NOT a firearm, NOT a class III weapon, and NOT a destructive device. If you can find one or build one, You can show it off to your buddies. Absolutely legal with no paper required
Correct for the Federal level. Lots of states do have laws pertaining to flame throwers and/or napalm (jellies). Anyway, Firearms are just part of a part of survival. All the firearms in the world won't do you much good if the bad guys manage to set your house/cabin on fire.

GOLD DUCK | 05-31-2006 12:52 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? QWAK,It may not be John Wane macho but avoiding direct confrontation is usualy best if posable when dealing with situations ware you are both out guned and out numbered. If you got to take some one out then "OUT SMART" them rather then confront them head on, the ODDS are better that you will be around longer and they will NOT be! BOOBY TRAPS and a little planing ahead of time can achieve your goal and convince them to look some ware else for easier pickings. Some old HUMOR on this subject. http://www.arcadenerds.com/games/Pri...fu-Booby-Traps Seariously with a fiew RAT TRAPS,some monoflant fishing line and some 12 gage. shells and you can DISCORAGE just about any one! BE CREATIVE use your IMAGINATION ---- you will LIVE LONGER! Just don't set any TRAPS inless you absolutly have to because as long as the system is still functioning they will at the very least lock you up for a very long time if you harm some one ----- even IF they are ROBING your home! the DUCK

merc49 | 05-31-2006 01:10 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew OK, This is all about keeping the hoards from storming the castle after SHTF or TEOWAKI. Do you own multiple firearms? Do you have several cases of ammo? Well that's a great start. But what about OTHER means of protection. Several come to mind. CS gas. ANFO. Napalm. Claymores. Almost ALL of these can be home made. You can even make C4 and other things that go boom with stuff you buy right off the shelf. Hell, go watch the second Mad Max movie where he hooks up with a community that has access to natural gas. They made some killer looking flame throwers. NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I don't WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE, just if you are prepared. That's it.
That seems a little extreme. While I belive in stocking up on necessities and such for hard times I for one do not belive that Military or police are going to be busting down my door in the future.

wallew | 05-31-2006 01:22 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by merc49 That seems a little extreme. While I belive in stocking up on necessities and such for hard times I for one do not belive that Military or police are going to be busting down my door in the future.
Merc49, While AMERICAN troops might not do so, how do you feel about the CHINESE ARMY SPECIAL FORCES? This is who the US has on contract to 'assist' if the President feels things have gotten out of hand. And lots of US troops would 'go over the wall' as it were before doing this. The Chinese Army wouldn't blink an eye in 'assisting' the US President in this matter if requested. We actually contracted with the Hong Kong Police force special operations squad. Well guess what? Ever since Hong Kong has been turned back over to the Chinese, the HKPD SOS is NOW the Chinese Army Spec Op group. And the contract is still in place and valid. So, if SHTF or TEOWAKI occurs, it won't be Americans kicking in your door, as they will be seen as 'too untrustworthy' to do the job adequately. The Chinese Army won't have ANY such disillusionments. They WILL get the job done. And it will ALL be legal and approved by the person in the large white house in DC, So you stick to your guns. Right up until SHTF or TEOWAKI and THEN watch what happens. You won't be prepared and will be just another number rounded up. And Chinese Spec Op guys can be landing on our soil with about 24/48 hours notice. So you will have ZERO time to change your mind. Good luck with that.

Patriot-Act | 05-31-2006 02:07 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by merc49 That seems a little extreme. While I belive in stocking up on necessities and such for hard times I for one do not belive that Military or police are going to be busting down my door in the future.
How soon we forget http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/intera...ing.ap.jpg.jpg http://www.nationalvanguard.org/imag..._looters01.jpg http://static.flickr.com/25/39218655_6c20f4cf5b_o.jpg

melbo | 05-31-2006 09:29 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? http://www.boredrigid.com/comments/4...methrower.html

Ghost Recon | 05-31-2006 09:38 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? When I used to work in the downtown area of a major city, I carried a large can of bear spray in the glove box. I still take it along, depending on where I'm going. I like to wear shirts with large cargo pockets. Usually I'll have a can of Whoop Ass in one of those pockets. That's the name of the product....believe it or not. Whatever you do don't buy pepper spray from boutiqes in malls. A couple of years ago I test fired a product that I bought at some chinese place. Empty....no pressure what-so-ever. Test fire whatever you buy so you know what you have to work with. Some of them put out a fine stream. Not very re-assuring. My can of whoop ass puts out a strong blast of red pepper. I've also read a lot of good things about Fox products. I've got my eyes set on that one lb can.

GOLD DUCK | 05-31-2006 12:06 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by melbo http://www.boredrigid.com/comments/4...methrower.html
QWAK,No question that the HOME MADE flame thrower is a DO ABLE posability how ever PLAYING with FIRE is extreamly DANGEROUS if you failed to learn that growing up. First off IF you manage to construct the device with out accidently seting YOUR SELF on FIRE (very PAINFULL) there is the real posability of starting a fire you can NOT put out that will burn down your home and many others perhaps thousands of achers of woods and farm land!:afraid: Second and somthing SOLDIERS who carried FLAME THROWERS know all too well, :afraid: should there be even the slightist LEAK you will quickly KNOW why HELL is so SCARY! IF your flame thrower is HIT you will INSTENTLY be INCINERATED and every one and thing near you!:thumbs do Playing with FIRE is decidedly NOT COOL even if it looks that way in movies!:albertein :thumbs do the DUCK

twenty4karat | 05-31-2006 09:59 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? The greatest weapon in your arsenal is YOUR MIND. An untrained mind is as useful as an unloaded firearm. You have to exercise both. Your mind needs to be sharp and flexible, you must be aware of your surroundings no matter where you are. In a mall, on the street, in a crowded room or out in the middle of the Sierra's by yourself. PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR ENVIRONMENT. My ten year old granddaughter (she is no ordinary ten year old, she was speaking in full sentences at 16 mos. of age) is always testing me, trying to sneak up on me. She can slither like a snake but I always know she is there and it ticks her off. She asks me, "Nonno, how come you can tell when I'm trying to sneak up on you?" "It's simple I said, the acoustics of the room change" (and this is with the Surround sound on even). I make it a habit to hear the birds (Robins, Mocking Birds, Finches even Peregrine Falcons). We live in a rural area of the East Bay Hills. (It's the only reason I still live here). I can tell if a vehicle doesn't belong on our dead end street and can usually tell who is driving by just by the sound of their car. BEFORE I FORGET: one of the best watch Dogs I know of is not a dog at all. It's a cricket. You can get Cricket cages and hang them in your yard. When a Cricket senses something different, it stops chirping (that's it way of saying rrrrrruff, rrrrrruff). What is unique about this, is that most (if none at all) of prowlers even notice this anti-alarm. FIREARMS: no matter how many or what kind you have, they are only as good as you are at using them. So, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE. Know your weapons inside and out. PRACTICE until you are proficient then PRACTICE some more. Because you will NEVER know how you will react when it comes down to it. Your firearm must become an extension of yourself. When it comes down to it, you have less than a 1/2 second to size up your opponent and decide whether or not you are going to pull the trigger (and SHOOT TO KILL). You won't have time to try to remember the mechanics of your piece or wonder if it's loaded. My Children and now my Grandchildren learned from a very early age that firearms are tools not toys! They've learned early on that 1) ALWAYS handle your weapon as if it is loaded (even if you've just unloaded it yourself) and 2) NEVER point it at anything that you are not willing to shoot. Simple common sense, but it keeps you and those around you safe. Look, I don't have any special gifts, I've just been aware of things from a very early age (especially growing up in the Bay Area during the Sixties and early Seventies in my teens and early twenties). You tend to develop a "DON'T F___ WITH ME LOOK" believe me, that alone has saved my butt from a good whoopin' from any number of gangs not to mention knifings or worse. Plus it's given me a great face for poker. The down side is that I still tend to scare the crap out of some people without realizing it. I may be all Bad A__ on the outside, but i'll be hipityhop to the barbershop on the inside. I have to go out of my way sometimes to take the initiative and make people feel at ease before I even know them. This is when the Italian half of me yields to the Irish in me. Any how just some food for thought. Maranatha :smile:

pancjn | 05-31-2006 10:28 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? A lighter and a spray can of start fluid, bug spray, hair spray, or practically any spray petroleum product makes a fine in close flame thrower. Try it outside. You'll like it. Don't forget, it's also a great excellerant.

wallew | 06-01-2006 12:28 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by GOLD DUCK No question that the HOME MADE flame thrower is a DO ABLE posability how ever PLAYING with FIRE is extreamly DANGEROUS if you failed to learn that growing up.
Dude, I don't know where you live, but GETTING UP IN THE MORNING IS DANGEROUS. If we all lived by your rules, we wouldn't cross the street without our mommies, and we would NEVER drive a car. And forget about flying. Or riding in a bus. Or being HIT by a bus. Granted the KID the pix is a bit young, but he is observing ALL safety protocols, including goggles (which most people forget). So get over yourself. LIFE SUX. THEN YOU DIE. And if you think you can make things LESS DANGEROUS by telling someone fire is dangerous, then you are an EXTREMELY FOOLISH DUCK, who will some day be roasted and EATEN. MMMM, sounds good. Roast duck.

Ponce Cuba | 06-01-2006 01:40 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? I'll give you guys a hand.......... get a three inch ID metal pipe by four feet long and with one treaded end....... drill a 1/8" hole 3" from the thread end and then ream and sand down the inside of the pipe (no burrs) and then cap the threaded end and . Get a bunch of balloons and place one inside of the pipe and give it some propane (inflation) throw in some rags and then a bunch of nails.....point it in the right direction and apply a match to the 1/8" hole which will break the balloon inside of the pipe and ignite the propane and then ......KABOOMMMMMMMMMMM you will see some flying nails.

GOLD DUCK | 06-01-2006 09:57 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew Dude, I don't know where you live, but GETTING UP IN THE MORNING IS DANGEROUS. If we all lived by your rules, we wouldn't cross the street without our mommies, and we would NEVER drive a car. And forget about flying. Or riding in a bus. Or being HIT by a bus. Granted the KID the pix is a bit young, but he is observing ALL safety protocols, including goggles (which most people forget). So get over yourself. LIFE SUX. THEN YOU DIE. And if you think you can make things LESS DANGEROUS by telling someone fire is dangerous, then you are an EXTREMELY FOOLISH DUCK, who will some day be roasted and EATEN. MMMM, sounds good. Roast duck.
QWAK,wallew DUDE,How many DEAD BURNED bodies have YOU incountered in YOUR LIFE,Have you EVER had some one or a large group of some ones ACTUALY try to KILL YOU? I HAVE and I SURVIVED! Yes LIFE is full of dangerous things, how ever much like investing one must EVALUATE RISK and take actions that MINIMISE RISK rather just IGNORING it because it seems COOL or MOCHO to do so! I can tell you from REAL LIFE experience that the ones who stand up in a head on FIRE FIGHT to watch the REALY COOL TRACERS flying, tend to end up either very quickly DEAD or wreathing in AGONY as they slowly get dead or WORSE survive with mising body parts and constent PAIN and suffering for the rest of their lives how ever long that may be! The charactors one sees on "JACK ASS TV" should NOT me followed and coppied, because they are STUPID FOOLS and are likely "DARWIN AWARD" winers eventualy! It is hard enough surviving with out being horably BURNED and SCARED for life, IF you manage to live threw the PAIN of actual life accidents, BUT to do IT to your self or to do IT to others threw your own IGNORENCE is the highist level of STUPIDITY and they don't give AWARDS for that!:albertein I live on top a mountain covered by trees and each year when it gets good and dry, FIRE is a great danger and very REAL posability. Knowing that once a fire gets started puting it out is a thousand times harder than STARTING it,one gains a RESPECT for and a very CAUTIOUS adatude twords FIRE as it can in a very short time totaly wipe out a life time of work and effort even with out personaly having your body burned. You are OBVIOUSLY young and with limited LIFE EXPERIENCE ,but if you FAIL to learn from OTHERS who have lived longer and DO HAVE both experience and have been fortunate enough to HAVE SURVIVED, then the odds that you will have a LONG LIFE are NOT very good. I would sugest that BEFOR you build that INFERNAL CONTRAPTION you FIRST visit the local BURN WARD at any hospital and then RECONCIDER if it is a COOL IDEA or NOT!:afraid: There is an OLD saying that there are MANY ways to SKIN a CAT, but the SMART cats NEVER get SKINED! :albertein A word to the WISE is SUFICIENT,but for the truely STUPID, there are NEVER enough or the right words!:banghead: Just somthing to PONDER,from the DUCK

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wallew | 06-02-2006 12:00 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Duck, As I wrote a response to your personal attack and the website went down before I could actually post it, consider this your answer. I'm 53. I have a degree in gunsmithing. I have been a member of the gun culture for 35 years. I have a degree in computers that I earned in 1981. I spent 18 years in the field before getting my second degree in gunsmithing. I was in upper management for seven years. I've been responsible for a two million dollar budget and responsible for the work of twenty people. I have worked in almost EVERY area of a hospital (NOT the morgue though) and have seen things that MOST will NEVER see at a very early age in my career, which turned me off of health care. It also exposed me to the IGNORANCE of the health care system as a whole. And YES, I've seen burned DEAD bodies and MUCH, MUCH WORSE. You have no clue of that which you speak. I have been a volunteer highrise firefighter. Trained by the Houston fire department. I have been a motorcyclist for over thirty years. I walked the dark side. Some of the people I rode with are no longer here. The reasons are many. But I also spent fifteen years as a free lance photo journalist and have been paid and published by several motorcycle magazines. You have no clue of that which you speak. I left Houston, Texas twenty eight years ago when two of my closest friends went to jail and two others died. I can and have shot ducks out of the air in mid flight. Plucked them clean, gutted them and then roasted them. MMM, MMM. You have no clue of that which you speak. And I've mentioned my age several times here. As well as several other of the items I listed above. So you apparently don't pay attention to what's been posted here. Your problem, not mine. QWAK THAT.

wallew | 06-02-2006 01:42 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Yah, Don't you just hate it when the other side shows up for a gun fight with ONLY a knife? And there you stand with a high powered assualt rifle? According to Mr. Duck, I guess I should only use one magazine. Or better yet, not use the gun at all. Cause someone could get hurt. Ya dam skippy. ANYONE who comes at me best bring along their bear rifle, cause that's what they will face when they come at me. I'm not shy about self protection. I don't have a lot of friend because I speak what I SEE to be the truth. And the funny thing is, all those years everyone thought I was crazy because I believed in being prepared are NOW calling me, hat in hand and asking all the prepartory questions they should have asked ten years ago. 9/11 took the cloth away from a lot of peoples eye. Yeah, I know, it's a ZIONIST PLOT, right Ponce? But it doesn't matter whose behind it. WE were still attacked. Regardless of from where it came. And you should be prepared for bad times. Regardless of who you are or where you live. End of story.

GOLD DUCK | 06-02-2006 07:45 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew Yah, Don't you just hate it when the other side shows up for a gun fight with ONLY a knife? And there you stand with a high powered assualt rifle? According to Mr. Duck, I guess I should only use one magazine. Or better yet, not use the gun at all. Cause someone could get hurt. Ya dam skippy. ANYONE who comes at me best bring along their bear rifle, cause that's what they will face when they come at me. I'm not shy about self protection. I don't have a lot of friend because I speak what I SEE to be the truth. And the funny thing is, all those years everyone thought I was crazy because I believed in being prepared are NOW calling me, hat in hand and asking all the prepartory questions they should have asked ten years ago. 9/11 took the cloth away from a lot of peoples eye. Yeah, I know, it's a ZIONIST PLOT, right Ponce? But it doesn't matter whose behind it. WE were still attacked. Regardless of from where it came. And you should be prepared for bad times. Regardless of who you are or where you live. End of story.
QWAK,Wallew,No DBOUT you are a LEGOND in YOUR OWN MIND, but there is NO SUCH thing as a SAFE "FLAME THROWER" nor any place ware people LIVE that it would be RESONABLE for a PRUDENT person of SOUND MIND to have one! I am convinced that your time in and around HOSPITALS was as a PAITENT in an ASILEM and you SHOULD be RESTRICTED from the POSESION of any FIRE ARMS or other WEAPONS and HEAVELY SEDATED, perhaps even in RESTRAINTS to PROTECT others from your HOSTILE predispositions and OVER ACTIVE IMAGINATION! http://www.bryceimages.hpg.ig.com.br/insane.jpg Now be a GOOD BOY and go back to your room and I will see if the NICE ward nurse will bring you some of that GREEN JELLOW you like so much,you can PRETEND it is NAPAM and be a FIRE EATER!:smile: LOL,IF you are actualy on the loose people have some one much MORE dangerouse than ARAB TERRORISTS to worry about!:tongue: PS: You may want to concider switching to DECAFINATED!:cheerful: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: the DUCK

GOLD DUCK | 06-02-2006 09:33 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? QWAK,the Wallew SONG!:withstupi http://www.bobrivers.com/player/body...=4&atype=tunes TURN UP THE SOUND!!!:rofl: the DUCK

Roland30 | 06-02-2006 10:20 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Twenty4Karat has it 100% correct! Naplam?...Claymores?.....flamethrowers?!?!?!? This kind of talk is BULLSHIT!...Because while your fooling around with your MacGyver toy you will miss the real danger. If you are serious about somehow surviving then keep it simple stupid. Get firearm(s)....get MUCH training with said firearm(s) as possible.... then pratice untill you don't have to think about loading,shooting moving while shooting ect...pratice like your very life depends on it... because IT DOES! While I am not totally discounting the power of improvised tools I will say this....unless your some kind of a genuine expert then best stick to the simple stuff....cause being attacked REALLY cuts down on your ability to think...and then add to it the factor of an improvised doo-dad and you are SO screwed! Stick to the basics of hand to hand, firearms and the one most people forget...TACTICS....It dosent matter how good you can put holes in paper if somebody else gets the jump on you. And yes, train yourself to really "sence" the world around you. Constantly ask yourself during the day..."what-if" Learn all you can about the BASICS FIRST!..then keep going... I think when TSHTF for real that there is going to be alot of well intentioned corpses defending their looted supplies and failed MacGyver toys...

bl96S5eu | 06-02-2006 10:32 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by twenty4karat Look, I don't have any special gifts, I've just been aware of things from a very early age (especially growing up in the Bay Area during the Sixties and early Seventies in my teens and early twenties). You tend to develop a "DON'T F___ WITH ME LOOK" believe me, that alone has saved my butt from a good whoopin' from any number of gangs not to mention knifings or worse. Plus it's given me a great face for poker. The down side is that I still tend to scare the crap out of some people without realizing it. I may be all Bad A__ on the outside, but i'll be hipityhop to the barbershop on the inside. I have to go out of my way sometimes to take the initiative and make people feel at ease before I even know them. This is when the Italian half of me yields to the Irish in me. Any how just some food for thought. Maranatha :smile:
Well I guess you should have a new signature then. Quote:
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wallew | 06-02-2006 10:57 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by GOLD DUCK LOL,IF you are actualy on the loose people have some one much MORE dangerouse than ARAB TERRORISTS to worry about!
You're DAMN SKIPPY that I AM DANGEROUS. But only to DUCKS and other idiots that feel that they can take my freedoms from me. Or others who are foolish to attempt to take away my right to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. :bandit: Go look it up. It's THE CONSTITUTION, STUPID. But I'm EXACTLY the guy you want covering your back when the fighting starts. Cause I don't run from a fight. And I don't back up worth a damn. At LEAST I know how to spell. You MIGHT consider a course in remedial English to help you learn how. And I don't do drugs, execpt aspirin. I quit smoking twenty years ago. And I have exactly THREE DRINKS every year. My birthday, my wife's birthday and our wedding anniversary. Cabo Wabo Anejo (aka 'da good stuff'). QWAK THAT.

wallew | 06-02-2006 11:20 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by Roland30 Naplam?...Claymores?.....flamethrowers?!?!?!? This kind of talk is BULLSHIT!... And yes, train yourself to really "sence" the world around you. Constantly ask yourself during the day..."what-if" Learn all you can about the BASICS FIRST!..then keep going... I think when TSHTF for real that there is going to be alot of well intentioned corpses defending their looted supplies and failed MacGyver toys...
R, If you truly think this is BS, then you either don't live in or near ANY major city, where the hordes of hungry zombies will storm the castle gates sooner rather than later. And you are a bigger fool than DUCK. And like our feathered friend, apparently have NOT been paying attention. Been there, done that. Fire, explosives and I are OLD friends. Just another tool to be utilized. And to take our supplies, the hordes will have to absorb CS, napalm, claymores AND flamethrowers. Plus several THOUSAND rounds. But the truth is, once you show strength and can keep it up against a large crowd you will be avoided at all costs. The BEST deterrent is to AVOID the problem, but sometimes that's just NOT possible. Then you best UNLEASH HELL upon your attackers because that's ALL they understand. If you think a firearm is going to deter criminals who are ALSO heavily armed and think you have something WORTH protecting, then I pity YOU. Because they will wait. And when YOU least expect it, BOOM, no more you. EXACTLY BECAUSE you didn't 'think outside the box'. And we have THREE places to go to. ALL are WAYYY outside of any civilzation. Including the vehicles and fuel to get there, regardless the situation. And routes already marked and traveled. Back roads so forgotten you best have a topo to find them. So if anyone comes to the door where we end up, hey great. Dog food. Cause to COME to the door, they will have passed several signs that say 'keep out', 'no tresspassing' and the skull and crossed bones. Which will be the flag WE fly. Get a life and LEARN a little past the movies. You have to be able to 'improvise and adapt'. That one's just for you. Straight out of the movies. Did you guess which one? And if you don't LIKE any of these types of defensive stuff, I suggest you NEVER go to Knob Creek. But if you actually want to learn something, they hold one of the largest machinegun shoots in the US, twice a year.

Silver Scout | 06-02-2006 12:07 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? 1 Attachment(s) I like to integrate all kinds of various weaponry, knick-knacks and eating utensils into one piece of equipment. Just one thing to grab when the goin' gets tough ....

GoldWampum | 06-02-2006 12:07 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Cool song DUCK.:beer: :withstupi

Ponce Cuba | 06-02-2006 12:12 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? A real survivalist don't worry about buying firepower but of making his own, how many of you would know how to make a one shot shoot gun in one hour? or a one shot pistol?........ a firearm does not have to look like one. Seventy five percent of my defence system (WTSHTF) will consist of the ones that I came up with and not the ones from the stores. You can make a six inch shoot gun booby trap by using a mouse trap as the triggering device and if you don't want to hurt anyone you can take the pellets and most of the powder out so that it will only make a loud sound.

GOLD DUCK | 06-02-2006 02:02 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? :rant: Quote:
Originally Posted by Ponce Cuba A real survivalist don't worry about buying firepower but of making his own, how many of you would know how to make a one shot shoot gun in one hour? or a one shot pistol?........ a firearm does not have to look like one. Seventy five percent of my defence system (WTSHTF) will consist of the ones that I came up with and not the ones from the stores. You can make a six inch shoot gun booby trap by using a mouse trap as the triggering device and if you don't want to hurt anyone you can take the pellets and most of the powder out so that it will only make a loud sound.
QWAK,Ponce,Almost any thing CAN be turned in to an effective weapon,IT is the MIND of the person that understands HOW that makes ALL the diference!:wink: Somthing that I will share and HAVE use several times and is relitively HARMLESS but EVERY effective and CAN be fun too. A super sencitive CONTACT EXPLOCIVE!!! Amonia TRI IODINE!:albertein All you need is IODINE (crystals are best but the little bottles will make a tiny bit) and STRONG AMONIA (not the SOAP type,I used to get it at a pharmacy years ago) Very simple,in a small glass (shot glass is good) fill about 1/2 full of the strong Amonia,add the IODINE, mix well and let sit a fiew min. then pour threw a coffee filter. The PERCIPITATE is a SUPER SENCITIVE contact ELPLOCIVE once totaly dry but will NOT go off when damp! A pin head size piece will make a very loud BANG! Just touching it with a fether will set it off,some times even the heat of the sun will too! Fun to put in ASH TRAYS as it will go off when a smoker puts a cigarette close to it!:aetsch: It will also make a puff of purple/brown smoke and WILL STAIN any thing that has touched it! In the army I used it on the back of pad locks to catch LOCKER THIEVES because they can't get the stain off their hands!:rant: IT is almost as strong as NITROGLISEREN but even more UNSTABLE! The problem is it can NOT be used in large batches because it is so unstable that as it drys small amounts will go off and scatter the stuff that is still wet. When I was feeling a little DEVELISH, I would mix some up and sprinkel it around my houch ----- it made MAMA Son real MAD! HE HE HE :hahaha: With a fine thred (the invisable kind is best) as a trip wire and a mouse trap painted with a little, it is a good booby trap to let you know some one is out there in your secured AO yet it will not harm any one or an anamal that sets it off. I used a bunch of them at the NCO ACADAMY on a field operation,ware a couple green beenies had told me THEY could sneek up on me and put a SIMULATOR in my fox hole. They were GOOD but I was BETTER! LOL Not one got threw MY PERIMITER!:aetsch: That is part of WHY they TORTURED me when I was forced to SURENDER!:chat: :rant: :thumpdown the DUCK

Ponce Cuba | 06-02-2006 02:28 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? I never sleep in a foxhole but either in the bushes to one side or on the tree above it........always left the fox hole look like a poorly camouflage fox hole. I would have a can with small rocks in the fox hole with the cammo trip wire going to where I was at and if was able to see anyone near by I would shake the can in the fox hole so that who ever was in the area would concentrate in the fox hole and now where I was really at. I still remember when I was at the NCO academy at Ft. Richardson (Alaska) and this second Lt. was giving a class with what he said was live grenade, anyway, he pretended that he dropped it by accident with the safety pin off, I jumped up (sitting in the first row) got hold of it and threw it out the door and then laid on the ground ....... I was the only one ...... there was a loud bang but not from a real grenade. The 2 Lt. started to laughed and I walked to him an punch his lights out, I didn't know it at the time but there was a full Col. sitting at the back of the room monitoring the the classes and he came up to me and said " Trooper? very brave of you and I would had done the same from beginning to end" hahahahahahaha the Lt. didn't say shit. PS: The Col. was Col. Bolton, the batallion commander and a CMH holder, he was the same one that came in his helicopter to my rescue when I went of a mountain and was unable to come down again on my own and also the one I spilled a pot of coffee on when I was on KP and slipped on a Capt's helmet that he left on the ground next to the table.

wallew | 06-02-2006 04:56 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Duck, After THAT little repartee, you got a lot of SAND admonishing others on how to handle things that go boom. Or things that burn. You want to know what works REALLY WELL in ashtrays? Powdered Magnesium. But only a little bit. Cause if you use lots, it will burn a hole through the table. AFTER it burns a hole in the ash tray. I have a tendency to mix it with gunpowder. Not quite as lethal, though LOADS of smoke and flash. Works quite well in the low light of a bar. And generally sends all the patrons scrambling for the exits, due to the smoke.

Book | 06-02-2006 05:12 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
You're DAMN SKIPPY that I AM DANGEROUS. -wallew
Attachment 15240 This guy was turned in by his own brother... :bawling:

GOLD DUCK | 06-02-2006 07:12 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew Duck, After THAT little repartee, you got a lot of SAND admonishing others on how to handle things that go boom. Or things that burn. You want to know what works REALLY WELL in ashtrays? Powdered Magnesium. But only a little bit. Cause if you use lots, it will burn a hole through the table. AFTER it burns a hole in the ash tray. I have a tendency to mix it with gunpowder. Not quite as lethal, though LOADS of smoke and flash. Works quite well in the low light of a bar. And generally sends all the patrons scrambling for the exits, due to the smoke.
QWAK,Wellew,The Amoniatriadide is esencialy HARMLESS,you can let it go off in the palm of your hand,do THAT with MAGNESIUM !:tongue: I would NOT have posted it IF it were DANGEROUS! BTW: just for reference,it is posable to in a total emergency RELOAD center fire ammo with out NEW primers and gun powder! Carfully tap out the OLD primer using a nail, put 3 kitchen match TIPS (just the TIP that strikes NOT the whole match head)in the old primer pan and gently push it back in to the dimpel of the cartrage. With a sharp knife remove the red sulfer from about 2 books of matches (NOT KITCHEN MATCHES!) try to get the material in to a uniform powder concistency place it in the empty shell casing with the primer you previously instaled. The bullet is the hard part BUT if you are luckey you can find one from a previous hunt that did not hit bone and distort. It does not ALWAYS work but IF you do it all properly about 1 out of 3 will. It is not a factory load OBVIOUSLY LOL but if you are ALL out of ammo and got to HUNT to survive at close range it can KILL and get you some FOOD and keep you alive! PS: That aint SAND ----- Been told many time I got a BRASS pair of BALLS, I just SMILE because I KNOW mine are GOLD! HE HE HE the DUCK

money matters | 06-02-2006 08:29 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Duck, You would have to use a pretty tiny diameter nail to make an effective decapping pin. If you widen the flash hole, well, you've changed the ignition characteristics of that case forever. Ruined it, I'd say. I've read about using the SA matchheads for priming material. $20 buys 1,000 primers. Pretty safe to carry a package of 100. I think you'd be better off to try substituting different primers, IE use a lg rifle in place of mag lg rifle or maybe lg pistol; than to use a matchhead. Lyman 310 tools are very handy and small for bugout kit use; just buy a bunch of extra depriming pins, they break pretty often. Lee makes or used to make a hand held 7/8x3/4 (standard reload die) press. This takes a bit of effort to use but is cheap, (under $20) and like Lee's other stuff well made and cheap. All you need is your die sets, a powder measure, (maybe just the right Lee Dipper?), correct shellholders and you are in business. Lee or Lyman makes a Universal Decapping die which is also cheap and very durable. Skeeter Skelton, a pretty fair handgun authority once wrote about his bugout gun; a 5" barreled S&W mod 27 in 357mag. He could pack a couple hundred ctgs, a Lyman 310 tool, a Lyman 358429 Keith Bullet mould, Lead, primers and Unique powder and be set. His rig all fit in a pretty small musette bag, of course, he wore his handgun on his belt. Shoulder holster would work well too. I think you would be amazed, Duck, at just how crummy nails are today. If I were going to try some "improvised" reloading, I would try to use a hardened steel punch. I have heard of people decapping ctgs w/hydrostatic force, that would likely work better, but still be impractical.

Master_Ho | 06-02-2006 08:55 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by gasilat General question about ammunition. How long can bullets be stored before the integrity starts to degrade, assuming cool and dry conditions?
GREAT QUESTION! Same one I asked a number of sources a year ago - and no one knew! So finally I called a company that makes them - Winchester - and they put me thru to the "expert" who said that- as long as they are stored as you said - cool and dry conditions - that they could be stored "indefinately" and even gave examples of ammo from WW1 & 2 that still worked! So thats what I was told by the "expert"! Ho PS - Of course, everything is a Tao (yin/yang) thing so, in fairness to balance, it should be noted the definition of an expert! :haha: EXPERT, n. Well, you know what an ex is - something used, no good anymore, something you toss out............and a spurts nothing more than a big drip under pressure! (Master Ho) SPECIALIST, n. one who knows more and more about less and less until, finally, they know everything there is to know about nothing. (from �The Devil's Dictionary� by Ambrose Bierce, 1911)

Ardent Listener | 06-02-2006 09:00 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Biside firearms, I own a lot of leghold traps.:stickyman

Ponce Cuba | 06-02-2006 09:01 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Back in 1967 I bought a truck full of ammo from WWII for my M-1 carabine that up to this day I still shoot with no problem........ also for my 30-06 from WWII, about one missfire every 50 rounds.

BeefJerky | 06-02-2006 10:00 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by melbo http://www.boredrigid.com/comments/4...methrower.html
Holy Shit....What an idiot.

GOLD DUCK | 06-02-2006 10:03 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? QWAK,money,I was talking absolute last resort,like if you are out in the boonies and you have to survive with just what you got and MAKE DO. Some how no matter HOW prepared and how much STUFF you have stored and stashed away SOMTHING always happens and WHAT you GOT is ALL you GOT and knowing that you CAN make UNORTHODOX substitutions can be the EDGE you need! Along the lines of being out in the woods and a MODERN person STARVING to death when there is UNCONVENTIONAL food all around them that their ancestors would have known about but the MODERN person only knows BURGER KING and McDonalds! the DUCK

REV127 | 06-02-2006 10:10 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Improvised weapons are far from BS if you're competent in their manufacture. I have family members who destroyed enemy tanks in close combat using molotov cocktails. I have noticed an increasingly deep pile of BS re: weapons lately, at least from a few posters. It's the same old stuff you hear everywhere, no special sins, it's just a little funny. I'd wager most of those types have never wielded a weapon against an enemy in their lives. I'm not sure if it makes me feel more smug or just frustrated?

o b juan | 06-02-2006 10:46 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? There sure are a lot of BSer wannabes in this post !!! Punching out Lts in front of a field Grade and gettin away with it, & I would do this or that I hold CCW classes in Texas and I cant believe it but seems like every (20th guy was a navy seal (bout the same kind of crap & bluster :censored: as reading this post)

GOLD DUCK | 06-02-2006 10:50 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew You're DAMN SKIPPY that I AM DANGEROUS. But only to DUCKS and other idiots that feel that they can take my freedoms from me. Or others who are foolish to attempt to take away my right to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. :bandit: Go look it up. It's THE CONSTITUTION, STUPID. But I'm EXACTLY the guy you want covering your back when the fighting starts. Cause I don't run from a fight. And I don't back up worth a damn. At LEAST I know how to spell. You MIGHT consider a course in remedial English to help you learn how. And I don't do drugs, execpt aspirin. I quit smoking twenty years ago. And I have exactly THREE DRINKS every year. My birthday, my wife's birthday and our wedding anniversary. Cabo Wabo Anejo (aka 'da good stuff'). QWAK THAT.
QWAK,wallew,I trust VERY fiew people with loaded FIRE ARMS behind me and You aint one I could feel comfortable with in THAT position! I prefer some one who THINKS more about AVOIDING trouble then HOW to get in to it and THEN survive by unleashing HELL FIRE! Been there DONE that and it is STUPID!:albertein There is ALWAYS some one BIGER or STRONGER or who just gets LUCKEY! Better to be like a GHOST and be INVISABLE! If it has to come down to taking some one out I can put on my GILLY suit and fade in to the brush and from 30 foot away he won't see and he won't even hear the 1 shot that takes him out and NO ONE will see ware it came from after! IF you are going up agenst any kind of organised force THEY will be able to bring to bare MUCH moe force and fire power than any one man could posably carey.:albertein As for the TOY FLAME THROWER,YES it obviously worked sort of, BUT under real real life conditions it is MUCH more likely to snap off a valve and spue flamable liquid all over YOU or any one foolish enough to be near you,not to mention just one luckey HIT any ware on that home made PCV tank and all HELL will be all over your ass and it won't be any kind of FUN I GARANTEE!:hahaha: Your life ,your FREE WILL and FREE CHOICE but IF you were on MY SURVIVAL TEAM ------ you would be FIRED! (no PUN intended!) :haha: the DUCK

wallew | 06-03-2006 10:16 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by GOLD DUCK IF you are going up agenst any kind of organised force THEY will be able to bring to bare MUCH moe force and fire power than any one man could posably carey. As for the TOY FLAME THROWER,YES it obviously worked sort of, BUT under real real life conditions it is MUCH more likely to snap off a valve and spue flamable liquid all over YOU or any one foolish enough to be near you,not to mention just one luckey HIT any ware on that home made PCV tank and all HELL will be all over your ass and it won't be any kind of FUN I GARANTEE!
At no time have I ever said I would be ONE MAN. The people on my team are NONE of your (or any one elses) bees wax. And if you make a flame thrower out of PVC, well you get what you pay for. And if you make ANY protection device out of PVC, the it is you who are STUPID. As is usual, you put words in peoples mouths and then call them stupid for saying what YOU want them to say. It is YOU who are the foolish, stupid duck. QWAK THAT... And I've taken your advice. From now on, YOU ARE INVISIBLE TO ME. :Zzzz:

GOLD DUCK | 06-03-2006 11:19 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew At no time have I ever said I would be ONE MAN. The people on my team are NONE of your (or any one elses) bees wax. And if you make a flame thrower out of PVC, well you get what you pay for. And if you make ANY protection device out of PVC, the it is you who are STUPID. As is usual, you put words in peoples mouths and then call them stupid for saying what YOU want them to say. It is YOU who are the foolish, stupid duck. QWAK THAT... And I've taken your advice. From now on, YOU ARE INVISIBLE TO ME. :Zzzz:
QWAK,wellew,You OBVIOUSLY have a TEMPER problem and keeping a COOL TOOL (MIND) under stressfull conditions and quickly changing situations is WAY more important than a PROPENCITY to do VIOLENCE!:afraid: Being able to ADAPT quickly with out leting your EMOTIONS take over is perhaps the SINGLE most important SURVIVAL ability that a person alone OR in a group NEEDS!:getdown: Most likely YOU have problems WALKING and chewing BUBBLE GUM and use WEAPONS to COMPENSATE for your MANY (?) short comings!:banana: :mad: :tongue: You could LEARN a LOT from a DUCK! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vz3cmO6Dmc HE HE HE:rofl: the DUCK

GOLD DUCK | 06-18-2006 05:57 PM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? QWAK,IF a home made "FLAME THROWER" is not your cup of tea, how about a slightly USED AK47 with a FREE years suply of AMMO?:cheerful: SUCH A DEAL!:wavey: http://www.dailyhappypill.com/funny_...cials_ak47.htm LOL,ROTFL:rofl: the DUCK

thorgrim | 06-19-2006 03:30 AM
Re: Do you own JUST firearms?? Thats some funny chit!

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