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BarnacleBob | 02-28-2009 01:52 PM
90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault More seeds for 'doomsday vault' Almost 90,000 food crop seed samples have arrived at the "doomsday vault" in the Arctic Circle, as part of its first anniversary celebrations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7912543.stm

Avalon | 02-28-2009 07:30 PM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault 1 Attachment(s) this really does lend credibility to the idea there will be a magnetic polar shift and the area least affected by the cataclysm will be on the poles.

mick silver | 02-28-2009 07:35 PM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault what the temp in the vaults , is it cold are warm . can you store seeds in the freezer

Ralleia | 02-28-2009 07:45 PM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault You can store most seeds in the freezer indefinitely, PROVIDED YOU dehydrate them to less than 8% seed moisture first, then seal them in an airtight container.

Armed.peasant | 02-28-2009 09:13 PM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralleia (Post 1600038) You can store most seeds in the freezer indefinitely, PROVIDED YOU dehydrate them to less than 8% seed moisture first, then seal them in an airtight container.
How you go about doing that? I would be in fear of dehydrating them too much, is that possible? Thanks.

Ag_man | 02-28-2009 09:20 PM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault The Vault at Svardbard has natural cooling, bulit into the side of a mountain. The rock will provide sufficient shielding from solar winds in the event of a collapse of the Earth's magnetic field, during pole shift. This is about as safe as safe can be, but we need more repositories like this, including animal and human DNA.

Sclorch | 02-28-2009 09:23 PM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault This pole shift is sounding more and more plausable all the time me thinks.

Ralleia | 02-28-2009 09:27 PM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault From what I read it *is* possible to overdry the seeds, though it would take some effort. The guidance from "Seed to Seed" is that under 5% moisture can harm seeds. So the target is obviously 5-8%. It says small seeds are not damaged so long as the moisture remains above 3%--large seeds are more sensitive. The recommendation for drying from this book as an equal weight of dry silica gel to seed packets to be dried, left for a period of 7-8 days in the drying container and then moved to cold storage.

studiopaul | 02-28-2009 11:00 PM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault Quote:
Originally Posted by Sclorch (Post 1600198) This pole shift is sounding more and more plausable all the time me thinks.
Well sorry for the doom and gloom but don't you think more nuclear problems from humans will be more likely first!?! :signs14:

GreenSpirit | 03-01-2009 12:06 AM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault I'm curious to know if they're saving any cannabis seeds in there. Any one know?

Avalon | 03-01-2009 08:40 AM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault The dream I posted about on the dream thread was of a very vivid magnetic pole shift. I watched it from above the earth but even in the dream understood what it was. I knew it was the event we had all been sensing and waiting for. Viewing it from way above the earth I took it that it might happen after I die. Since I had that dream I found the Horizon Project. This is pretty extensive research on the subject.. Its fairly sobering in that we are way over due. Aside from leaving coastal areas or moving near the poles there isnt much to do about it besides what we are already doing.. http://www.bracingfortomorrow.com/

Avalon | 03-01-2009 08:40 AM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 1600448) I'm curious to know if they're saving any cannabis seeds in there. Any one know?
maybe that could be your contribution... :cooler:

Avalon | 03-01-2009 08:43 AM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault Quote:
Originally Posted by studiopaul (Post 1600362) Well sorry for the doom and gloom but don't you think more nuclear problems from humans will be more likely first!?! :signs14:
I don't think so.. I don't think small nuclear attacks are impossible but I don't think the real PTB from above ^^^^^ will allow us to destroy the earth because it would affect other planets and life forms.. The earth will survive with or without people.

Twisted Avatar | 03-01-2009 09:10 AM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault Quote:
Originally Posted by Avalon (Post 1600756) I don't think so.. I don't think small nuclear attacks are impossible but I don't think the real PTB from above ^^^^^ will allow us to destroy the earth because it would affect other planets and life forms.. The earth will survive with or without people.
Exactly. Notice no matter how bad things get......The nukes never fly. You Think that is by accident??? Nah.........at the highest levels it is all a big game of saber ratteling. The spilt second a nukes launches....it is GAME OVER......because nobody will be asking questions to verify anything THEY WILL ALL BE SHOOTING EVERTHING THEY GOT. For example if the US had a issue with Russia......North Korea or India might launch because they think they are next on the hit list......Did the US make contigencies to attack more than one nation at a time? Will other nations not envoled believe what the story is claimed to be?? See what I mean?? .........It will only be so long before you get outflanked. Nobody will use them........ NOBODY but they will dam sure make you beileve they got there finger right on the red button. Bullshyt. T

Twisted Avatar | 03-01-2009 09:19 AM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault Quote:
Originally Posted by BarnacleBob (Post 1599529) More seeds for 'doomsday vault' Almost 90,000 food crop seed samples have arrived at the "doomsday vault" in the Arctic Circle, as part of its first anniversary celebrations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7912543.stm
I wonder why Buffet didnt recomend this investment to his shareholders as the Company took a 44% haircut??? You dont think he knows something that he is not sharing do you??? Nah .......must be me and my over active imagination.

Tumbleweed | 03-01-2009 10:19 AM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault The biggest threat to the seeds of the world I believe is monsanto. Right now they are polluting the heirloon alfalfa seeds with their GMO seeds and there really is no stopping it. Once they've done that they will be the only ones with heirloom seeds and will have control of them. It's the same with other food crop seeds. This is a link and some excerpts from an article on whose behind this seed bank in Norway and it makes me sick to think about what I think they are planning. I didn't copy and post it all because it's long. It is a good read though and interesting. http://www.libertyparkusafd.org/lp/N...e%20Arctic.htm "The first notable point is who is sponsoring the doomsday seed vault. Here joining the Norwegians are, as noted, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation; the US agribusiness giant DuPont/Pioneer Hi-Bred, one of the world’s largest owners of patented genetically-modified (GMO) plant seeds and related agrichemicals; Syngenta, the Swiss-based major GMO seed and agrichemicals company through its Syngenta Foundation; the Rockefeller Foundation, the private group who created the “gene revolution with over $100 million of seed money since the 1970’s; CGIAR, the global network created by the Rockefeller Foundation to promote its ideal of genetic purity through agriculture change." "Now the Svalbard Seed Bank begins to become interesting. But it gets better. ‘The Project’ I referred to is the project of the Rockefeller Foundation and powerful financial interests since the 1920’s to use eugenics, later renamed genetics, to justify creation of a genetically-engineered Master Race. Hitler and the Nazis called it the Ayran Master Race. The eugenics of Hitler were financed to a major extent by the same Rockefeller Foundation which today is building a doomsday seed vault to preserve samples of every seed on our planet. Now this is getting really intriguing. The same Rockefeller Foundation created the pseudo-science discipline of molecular biology in their relentless pursuit of reducing human life down to the ‘defining gene sequence’ which, they hoped, could then be modified in order to change human traits at will. Hitler’s eugenics scientists, many of whom were quietly brought to the United States after the War to continue their biological eugenics research, laid much of the groundwork of genetic engineering of various life forms, much of it supported openly until well into the Third Reich by Rockefeller Foundation generous grants.2 The same Rockefeller Foundation created the so-called Green Revolution, out of a trip to Mexico in 1946 by Nelson Rockefeller and former New Deal Secretary of Agriculture and founder of the Pioneer Hi-Bred Seed Company, Henry Wallace. The Green Revolution purported to solve the world hunger problem to a major degree in Mexico, India and other select countries where Rockefeller worked. Rockefeller Foundation agronomist, Norman Borlaug, won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work, hardly something to boast about with the likes of Henry Kissinger sharing the same. In reality, as it years later emerged, the Green Revolution was a brilliant Rockefeller family scheme to develop a globalized agribusiness which they then could monopolize just as they had done in the world oil industry beginning a half century before. As Henry Kissinger declared in the 1970’s, ‘If you control the oil you control the country; if you control food, you control the population.’ Agribusiness and the Rockefeller Green Revolution went hand-in-hand. They were part of a grand strategy which included Rockefeller Foundation financing of research for the development of genetic engineering of plants and animals a few years later. John H. Davis had been Assistant Agriculture Secretary under President Dwight Eisenhower in the early 1950’s. He left Washington in 1955 and went to the Harvard Graduate School of Business, an unusual place for an agriculture expert in those days. He had a clear strategy. In 1956, Davis wrote an article in the Harvard Business Review in which he declared that “the only way to solve the so-called farm problem once and for all, and avoid cumbersome government programs, is to progress from agriculture to agribusiness.” He knew precisely what he had in mind, though few others had a clue back then--- a revolution in agriculture production that would concentrate control of the food chain in corporate multinational hands, away from the traditional family farmer.3 ".

Twisted Avatar | 03-01-2009 10:33 AM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault Quote:
Originally Posted by Tumbleweed (Post 1600838) The biggest threat to the seeds of the world I believe is monsanto. Right now they are polluting the heirloon alfalfa seeds with their GMO seeds and there really is no stopping it. Once they've done that they will be the only ones with heirloom seeds and will have control of them.
Even though I cant even plant a dam bean sprout I am making it my bussines to drop a few duckets on some Heirloom Seeds of every possible stripe. If you control the seeds. Then you control the food. If You control the food. Then you control it all. T

Tumbleweed | 03-01-2009 11:59 AM
Re: 90,000 More Seeds Arrive At Doomsday Vault TA we all should be buying, planting and saving heirloon seeds like you are. Even if you don't have a place to grow them you are doing what you can buying and saving them. I grow heirloom alphalfa for feed and also sell seed ocasionaly. Monsantos GMO seed will eventualy cross polinate with mine and when it does their lawyers and the courts will enforce their patent rights. They have law suits going all the time against farmers over patent infringements. The farmers pretty much always lose because the costs of fighting them can put them out of business. These large multinational agriculture corporations are patient and relentless trying to gain control of the food supply. I belong to an organization of independant cattle producers who fight them constantly. Their lawyers and lobyists are well paid and they never stop trying to gain control of us. Below is another excerpt from the article I posted. It is happening where I live as well. The small independant farmers or ranchers are forced off the land and the larger ones that stay in business are controlled by the corporations whether they like it or not. "In effect, the introduction of modern American agricultural technology, chemical fertilizers and commercial hybrid seeds all made local farmers in developing countries, particularly the larger more established ones, dependent on foreign, mostly US agribusiness and petro-chemical company inputs. It was a first step in what was to be a decades-long, carefully planned process. Under the Green Revolution Agribusiness was making major inroads into markets which were previously of limited access to US exporters. The trend was later dubbed �market-oriented agriculture.� In reality it was agribusiness-controlled agriculture. Through the Green Revolution, the Rockefeller Foundation and later Ford Foundation worked hand-in-hand shaping and supporting the foreign policy goals of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) and of the CIA. One major effect of the Green Revolution was to depopulate the countryside of peasants who were forced to flee into shantytown slums around the cities in desperate search for work. That was no accident; it was part of the plan to create cheap labor pools for forthcoming US multinational manufactures, the �globalization� of recent years. When the self-promotion around the Green Revolution died down, the results were quite different from what had been promised. Problems had arisen from indiscriminate use of the new chemical pesticides, often with serious health consequences. The mono-culture cultivation of new hybrid seed varieties decreased soil fertility and yields over time. The first results were impressive: double or even triple yields for some crops such as wheat and later corn in Mexico. That soon faded. The Green Revolution was typically accompanied by large irrigation projects which often included World Bank loans to construct huge new dams, and flood previously settled areas and fertile farmland in the process. Also, super-wheat produced greater yields by saturating the soil with huge amounts of fertilizer per acre, the fertilizer being the product of nitrates and petroleum, commodities controlled by the Rockefeller-dominated Seven Sisters major oil companies. Huge quantities of herbicides and pesticides were also used, creating additional markets for the oil and chemical giants. As one analyst put it, in effect, the Green Revolution was merely a chemical revolution. At no point could developing nations pay for the huge amounts of chemical fertilizers and pesticides. They would get the credit courtesy of the World Bank and special loans by Chase Bank and other large New York banks, backed by US Government guarantees. Applied in a large number of developing countries, those loans went mostly to the large landowners. For the smaller peasants the situation worked differently. Small peasant farmers could not afford the chemical and other modern inputs and had to borrow money. Initially various government programs tried to provide some loans to farmers so that they could purchase seeds and fertilizers. Farmers who could not participate in this kind of program had to borrow from the private sector. Because of the exorbitant interest rates for informal loans, many small farmers did not even get the benefits of the initial higher yields. After harvest, they had to sell most if not all of their produce to pay off loans and interest. They became dependent on money-lenders and traders and often lost their land. Even with soft loans from government agencies, growing subsistence crops gave way to the production of cash crops.5 "

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