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Ebie | 06-25-2009 12:28 AM
How do you store water over 180 days? Most of the websites imply that it only has a shelf-life of 180 days. Is there a more longterm way to store water? Be well.

917601 | 06-25-2009 12:37 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? I use collidal silver, cracked one container the other day (it was >2 years old, and had been sitting in a vehicle)-drank it just fine, and so did junior. I use 7-8 drops / 10 PPM/per quart.

Heimdhal | 06-25-2009 12:37 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebie (Post 1785424) Most of the websites imply that it only has a shelf-life of 180 days. Is there a more longterm way to store water? Be well.
Are you talking about bottled water? Water in 1 gallon jugs? 55 gallon drums? Theres so many variables. The bottled water(8-16.9 oz bottles and gallons) dont seem to hold up that well, simply because the plastic doesnt hold up that well. In the drums though, a little bleach, or suspended silver solutions seems to be a good method. Drop an oz or two of silver in there and shake it up ever couple weeks and itll stay preserved for quite some time from what I understand.

Heimdhal | 06-25-2009 12:40 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? Quote:
Originally Posted by 917601 (Post 1785435) I use collidal silver, cracked one container the other day (it was >2 years old, and had been sitting in a vehicle)-drank it just fine, and so did junior. I use 7-8 drops / 10 PPM/per quart.
That seems like a lot, per quart. How many oz's of the collodial silver do you need for a large drum?

917601 | 06-25-2009 12:46 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? Forget bleach (chlorine) it turns to harmless, ineffective salts in <6 months. I have drank my own containerized water 5 years old: Boil container(stainless) and water, add 7 drops 10ppm CS per quart, sealed. I pressurized the carboy with 2 psi CO2, drank after 5 years, just fine.The key is CS, but I have since learned CO2 water (sparkling water) is good for many years due to the acidity of the CO2.However, to have carbonated the water, it must have had 40 PSI, and 40 degrees, to fully carbonate.I did not reach those figures, the 2 psi was to mantain a seal on the carboy.

Heimdhal | 06-25-2009 12:50 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? Quote:
Originally Posted by 917601 (Post 1785450) Forget bleach (chlorine) it turns to harmless, ineffective salts in <6 months. I have drank my own containerized water 5 years old: Boil container(stainless) and water, add 7 drops 10ppm CS per quart, sealed. I pressurized the carboy with 2 psi CO2, drank after 5 years, just fine.The key is CS, but I have since learned CO2 water (sparkling water) is good for many years due to the acidity of the CO2.However, to have carbonated the water, it must have had 40 PSI, and 40 degrees, to fully carbonate.I did not reach those figures, the 2 psi was to mantain a seal on the carboy.
Where did you get the stainless steel containers? How big are they? I think thats a good idea with the C02 flush as well. Might not be true sparkling water, but if it last 5 years, thats nothing to shake a stick at. Im trying to get my water storage up to date since hurricane season is officialy here.

917601 | 06-25-2009 12:52 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? Quote:
Originally Posted by Heimdhal (Post 1785442) That seems like a lot, per quart. How many oz's of the collodial silver do you need for a large drum?
I do not know-but I experimented with 7 drops per quart, 10 PPM,CS.Any written guidelines would be useful, however,my 5 year experiment was successful. If I remember correctly, I decided to use 7 drops as that is what is recommended when using iodine(povodine) to disinfect water.

917601 | 06-25-2009 12:55 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? Stainless steel carboys, 3 gal, 5 gal, the containers all your quick stops/7-11's use for Coke, Sprite, etc,I had many as I used them to brew my own beer. All beer supply stores carry them, as do junk yards.

Heimdhal | 06-25-2009 01:02 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? Quote:
Originally Posted by 917601 (Post 1785460) Stainless steel carboys, 3 gal, 5 gal, the containers all your quick stops/7-11's use for Coke, Sprite, etc,I had many as I used them to brew my own beer. All beer supply stores carry them, as do junk yards.
I wonder if the plastic ones would hold up as well long term. Ive got some 7 and 10 gallon heavy duty plastic containers for waterstorage, but havent had them anywhere near 5 years yet.

StrawMan=Corporation | 06-25-2009 01:43 AM
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thorgrim | 06-25-2009 03:17 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? I would use glass bottles. I have done some experimentation and have put tap water into a berkey and then into glass bottles. After about a year I opened one and there was no odor and it tasted good. I didn't put anything in the water to help it keep. Only problem is glass is hard to transport and takes up a lot of room but if you can manage it, it is the way to go. I think I still have some kicking around been about 3 years now. Guess I should find them and try some. If I do will let you know.

MKS | 06-25-2009 07:55 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? I stored water, spiked with chlorine in a plastic 55 gallon drum I got from the local pepsi distributor. I meant to rotate it after six months but let it set for close to a year. Once I got around to changing it, it seemed fine. I got a mouth full when I siphered it and it tasted OK.

Twisted Avatar | 06-25-2009 08:51 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? Great info in this thread!!! I always by "sparkling" mineral water in glass I will make it my business to pick up more when I get the chance T

Unclad Lad | 06-28-2009 02:49 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? It comes and goes, but if you check the Mountain House website regularly, they will sometimes have #10 cans of dehydrated water. It's pricey, though--I understand the processing is quite difficult.

bcvojak | 06-30-2009 11:49 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? I've used 7 gallon Aqua-Tainers plus 1/2 teaspoon (40 drops) of bleach. Have left it for up to 18 months without any problems. It was just a drinkable as the day I put it in the containers. Though I do try and swap it out once per year.

Master_Ho | 07-01-2009 01:13 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? Quote:
Originally Posted by Unclad Lad (Post 1790273) It comes and goes, but if you check the Mountain House website regularly, they will sometimes have #10 cans of dehydrated water. It's pricey, though--I understand the processing is quite difficult.
**ROTFLMAO** I drink mine thru a straw.........

Awoke | 07-02-2009 09:16 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? Drop a silver round in the container. I've heard that silver coins were placed in milk so it could be stored at room temperature without spoiling. I haven't tried it out myself yet, but I intend to. Interesting. All my water stocks are in "Water cooler" jugs from our provider. Sometimes they sit for up to 4 months on a room temperature shelf and we've never had problems. I cycle through them, adding the most recent at the back of the line, and taking moving the oldest forward.

Professur | 07-02-2009 09:24 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? I'd suggest an uncirculated piece for that. I can't see dropping a 100 year old morgan in there and anything good coming of it.

TheSimpleton | 07-02-2009 10:59 AM
Re: How do you store water over 180 days? I'm sorry but why would water ever go bad? I suppose it could get contaminated from its container, or if left open, from microbes landing on it sourdough-style. Still, there's nothing for them to live on in pure water and the problem would be very mild, easily boiled away. I would think standard water cooler bottles, made of the hard plastics, or especially glass, would hold water for a decade without a thought. Why would you ever need to store water for 180 days? If it's a nuclear exchange, I understand, but if you can't get adequate water on a daily basis, you need to move. Looking at usage and not shelf-life, 180 days of water would be 1-2gal/day (4-8L) per person on lifeboat rations. That's in the range of 500gal / 66cu ft, and the only way to store that is a cistern. Imagine the size of 10 50-gal drums. Open cisterns are simply a parged box with an overflow. This can be as simple as a slab, parging the dirt hole for the sides, and a wooden or concrete lid. In the high period they tended to be beehive-shaped. They are cheap, easy, and prone to contamination, although there is a long history of maintaining them, filtering in and outflows, etc. They can be used for drinking but owing to contamination, usually for washing (soft water) and non-potable uses. There are new closed cisterns available, in fiberglass for instance, for underground burial. They may be sealed from contamination, but contamination largely comes from the inflow (rainwater) and being sealed may be harder to de-comtaminate and clean as well. In general, know what you expect to need the water for, and have a small running supply, counting on the stored water only for certain uses or cases. Water is too large and too cheap to store in quantity. TS

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