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jaima | 02-09-2008 11:12 AM
Took my shotgun out today I loaded and shot it all by myself. I'm glad I used the ear plugs!! It was a little hard on my bad shoulder but I survived. I did NOT like it. Nope, not at all. Its something I do not think I could get used to and pray I never have to use it. :no_ma: On the other hand I also shot the 22 rifle and loved that. My accuracy was pretty good.

SilverCity | 02-09-2008 11:21 AM
Re: Took my shotgun out today Quote:
Originally Posted by jaima (Post 960485) I loaded and shot it all by myself. I'm glad I used the ear plugs!! It was a little hard on my bad shoulder but I survived. I did NOT like it. Nope, not at all. Its something I do not think I could get used to and pray I never have to use it. :no_ma: On the other hand I also shot the 22 rifle and loved that. My accuracy was pretty good.
Jaima, what kind of shotgun?

jaima | 02-09-2008 11:34 AM
Re: Took my shotgun out today 20 gauge mossberg, the fit was perfect but thank goodness I didn't get a 12 gauge because this one was way more then enough. It was very uncomfortable and scary. I don't want to ever have to shoot anything. I did kill the tree stump I shot dead today and that was hard enough.

shades2 | 02-09-2008 11:52 AM
Re: Took my shotgun out today The upside of all that recoil is what it can do to the target. One of Newton's laws (I can't remember which) states something about equal and opposite reactions. You might want to get a better recoil pad and practice some more until you're comfortable with the thing. We have a 12 guage at the range, which the peeps there regularly maul their shoulders with.

SilverCity | 02-09-2008 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jaima (Post 960514) 20 gauge mossberg, the fit was perfect but thank goodness I didn't get a 12 gauge because this one was way more then enough. It was very uncomfortable and scary. I don't want to ever have to shoot anything. I did kill the tree stump I shot dead today and that was hard enough.
Even 20s have a good kick partly because they are too lightweight, which a lot of people don't think about when they purchase a shotgun... You could try replacing the recoil pad on the buttstock with a Pachmyr "Decelerator" pad. Or you might consider trading it for the Remington Express 12 gauge riot with the magazine extention (adds weight) and load it with Federal Tactical (reduced recoil) buckshot. My wife can handle this set-up better, as well. They also make the 870 Express riot in 20 gauge...

andrey32 | 02-09-2008 11:58 AM
Re: Took my shotgun out today I am a healthy 27 year old male of thin / skinny build. The first few times out shooting the 20 gauge mossberg with a recoil pad that came with it, I had some pretty heavy bruising. You really have to find a good place for the butt to fit and get used to it. What kind of shells were you shooting? Practice with bird shot - its cheap and less recoil.

Twisted Avatar | 02-09-2008 02:50 PM
Re: Took my shotgun out today Quote:
Originally Posted by Elijah (Post 960722) Well, I'm rattling on, just got back from a gun show, can't help myself. My idea of a handgun is, "It's the gun I have on me that I might need to fight my way back to the rifle I shouldn't have left behind." :D
Great quote.....I gotta keep that one Elijah, consider it snatched!!! T

goldsilverman | 02-09-2008 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 960753) Great quote.....I gotta keep that one Elijah, consider it snatched!!! T
sounds like a quote out of Boston's Gun Bible

LibertyAZ | 02-09-2008 03:36 PM
Re: Took my shotgun out today I keep telling people that with standard loads the 12 gauge kicks less than the 20. No one ever listens though. Look into a Pachmayr decelerator pad. Those help a lot. Also what type of rounds were you shooting? Shotgun rounds come in a wide range of energy levels.

jaima | 02-09-2008 05:32 PM
Re: Took my shotgun out today I picked the 20 gauge mossberg because it was a comfortable fit. I didn't feel comfortable with the Remington and the 12 gauges didn't feel right. I am shooting cheap Byrd shot for now and will try some of the Federal Tactical and see if that helps. I will definitely have to get a "Decelerator" pad. I don't think the kick back was too bad and would have been fine if my shoulder was not already compromised. As far as the psychological aspects go I will have to work on it. It just felt like a very violent weapon. Life isn't suppose to be violent. LT Dan, this makes me rethink the 38 handgun I was going to buy. I might need a little 22 pistol instead.

SilverCity | 02-09-2008 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jaima (Post 960955) I picked the 20 gauge mossberg because it was a comfortable fit. I didn't feel comfortable with the Remington and the 12 gauges didn't feel right. I am shooting cheap Byrd shot for now and will try some of the Federal Tactical and see if that helps. I will definitely have to get a "Decelerator" pad. I don't think the kick back was too bad and would have been fine if my shoulder was not already compromised. As far as the psychological aspects go I will have to work on it. It just felt like a very violent weapon. Life isn't suppose to be violent. LT Dan, this makes me rethink the 38 handgun I was going to buy. I might need a little 22 pistol instead.
There are a few more things you can do to reduce recoil in a shotgun... If you can afford it, have a competent gunsmith COUNTERBORE the chamber and drill some PORTS in the muzzle of your shotgun. These two things will markedly decrease felt recoil... Hogue makes a shorter (12") "tactical" length buttstock for the Remington that fits my 5'8" wife just fine. It has a nice soft butt pad that makes a difference for her when she shoots the 12 gauge Rem 870... http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...802&t=11082005

LibertyAZ | 02-09-2008 09:04 PM
Re: Took my shotgun out today That brings up a good point. The recoil will "feel" lower if the shotgun is fitted properly. Odds are the stock may be a bit long. Generally the right amount of "length of pull" is if you can hold the but in the crook of your arm and comfortably reach the grip and trigger. If not, the butstock is probably too long. Also, you need to be certain when shooting that the but is snugged into the hollow of your shoulder. The idea is that your whole body should absorb the recoil, not just your shoulder. Unfortunately, if your shoulder is screwed up, any recoil may be painful, in which case you may be better off with a pistol caliber carbine.

<SLV> | 02-09-2008 09:54 PM
Re: Took my shotgun out today Limbsaver recoil pads are the best I've found. They screw on as a perfect fit replacement.

wallew | 02-10-2008 02:01 AM
Re: Took my shotgun out today jaima, I'm nursing a bad right shoulder right now. So I can sympathize with what you went through. Having said that, trust me when I say that if you EVER have to use that shotgun in defense of you and yours, the adrenalin will be pumping so hard you won't even FEEL the recoil until AFTER the whole shooting situation is resolved. THEN it might hurt later. And don't take this the wrong way, but LIFE IS VIOLENT. We have a very thing veneer of 'polite society' over it, but under that thin layer IS VIOLENCE just waiting to erupt. Nature is just that way. Survival of the fittest. And while I hope I NEVER (or anyone else here) has to use a firearm to defend themselves, I've actually pulled a firearm out four times in the past twenty years or so and just showing a firearm resolved the issue. But the fact that I had it, it was ready to use and I would NOT have hesitated in using it probably kept the bad guys from advancing any further. You cannot control stupid people doing stupid things. And SOMETIMES IT TAKES VIOLENCE TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM. Just remember what Edmond Burke said, "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." So, be prepared for trouble. Note I did not say 'seek trouble'. I said BE PREPARED for trouble. You will NEVER regret that.

jaima | 02-10-2008 09:47 AM
Re: Took my shotgun out today I'm not too worried about my shoulder, its been trashed for years and I learned to live with it long ago. In retrospect having rotator cuff surgery is something I question and wonder if its always the best choice. Besides I will only be firing the shotgun enough to know I'm comfortable with the mechanics of it. I will buy a pad for it though. As far as life being violent goes I have to question that. I am a big believer in creating your own reality and attracting what you put out. I think there is something to be said for being prepared and then putting those thoughts away and expecting the best out of life. I'm still working on spiritual side of all this stuff and trying to resolve that. I have spent my whole adult life in Veterinary and human health care to help heal and not to destroy life. Could I pull the trigger? I really don't know. Propably if I felt it was a life or death situation. Ironically my fears lie more with needing defense from the Government then from criminals.

gunner | 02-10-2008 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Elijah (Post 960722) Hopefully you will never have to shoot it in defense of self or family. The fact that you do know how and can do it is very important in and of itself. If you want to hunt you would be better suited to have a rifle, even something like .243 would make anything up to deer size game a good choice. You're right about the recoil in any shotgun other than the .410. If only we were allowed to use rifles for deer in my state. Yes, a .22lr will serve just about all small game needs as long as your aim is true. Practice is cheap. I never try for game over 100yds as I don't like to wound animals. Some people say 50-75yds for the .22lr and i would to with opened sights. I have a few options in .22lr. My brother always liked the .22mag better as you have better range and it's a step up in power. If you had to choose only one, and I hate that idea, go with the .22lr every time. If you ever butcher your own livestock, as I have, the .22 is all that's needed, but in that case you're at point blank range. Takes a cold side to your nature to be able to hold the muzzle right to the head of an animal you've raised from birth or weened age and pull the trigger. When you're confronted with a situation where it's kill or be killed, you had better not stop and think about it. That's why when you get a handgun, you need to practice with it until it becomes second nature to bring it into action. It had better be the best, most reliable, easiest to reload, etc., you can afford. For a lot of reasons I don't mess with shotguns for self/home defense. I do own several, just don't care for them, especially the recoil and I'm fairly big and relatively strong. I will shoot several hundred rounds in a range visit over the fourth of July shoot out with an M1 Garand, and/or an M1A. Well, I'm rattling on, just got back from a gun show, can't help myself. My idea of a handgun is, "It's the gun I have on me that I might need to fight my way back to the rifle I shouldn't have left behind." :D
:applause_:applause_:applause_ The first time I heard that was on the www.keepandbeararms.com forum - great quote !!!

Mtscout | 02-10-2008 10:41 AM
Re: Took my shotgun out today Pump/Auto, the recoil difference is something you might consider. Benelli offers a tactical auto that would reduce felt recoil and save that shoulder from abuse. The cost would be about 2X+ of what you paid for the pump gun. But you have to practice, to be confident. Consider it. www.benelliusa.com (look under 'special purpose')

ruprick | 02-10-2008 11:25 AM
Re: Took my shotgun out today 1) Get light loads....go to a decent gun store and ask for reduced recoil loads. These will have less powder or lighter shot load...or both... 2) Hold gun stock in the crook of your shoulder...a lot of people place the butt in the wrong place...iether too far out on arm or too far in on chest. 3) Hold gun very firm against the shoulder by pulling gun into the shoulder...this will better transfer the weight of your body to the gun...so when the gun recoils...it will be pushing more of your body weight. 4) If you bought a small frame revolver with a short barrel (as I suggested) you can get a larger grip...this will make it more difficult to conceal...but if you are not trying to carry on a daily basis...but using it as a "house gun"...a larger grip will better distribute the recoil forces. Do not get any high power loads....too much bang...too much flash....too much recoil....just stick to 38 Special normal loads. Hold arm out very firm and stiff with the elbow joint "over-centered/locked" Hold the grip at least as firm as you would hold your cheating ex-boyfriends throat!!! Turn your body so that the pistol is held and fired from your side so that you must turn your head to see the target...this will cause the recoil of the gun to go into your arm...arm will push body side-ways...much more stable and better to absorb recoil. This is also true of rifle/shotgun...too many small people stand square to target...this is unstable.

Unclad Lad | 02-10-2008 11:33 AM
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I'm not too worried about my shoulder, its been trashed for years and I learned to live with it long ago. In retrospect having rotator cuff surgery is something I question and wonder if its always the best choice. Besides I will only be firing the shotgun enough to know I'm comfortable with the mechanics of it. I will buy a pad for it though.
A pad is definitely a good start. I would also look for reduced recoil shells. Finally, I would explore different stance options--there are some for people with shoulder and joint issues. If there is a local club I would check there; a few training sessions might be what you need. One more option I don't usually add is: A pistol-grip shotgun. In your case it might make sense, especially with the low-recoil shells. Ooh! One more option: What about your other shoulder? Most shotguns are very ambidexterous in their controls. You'll have to practice it, of course. I'm a lefty who has learned to shoot right, for obvious reasons.

StackerKen | 02-10-2008 12:51 PM
Re: Took my shotgun out today Not sure if anyone mentioned this but.... It helps to make sure the But of the shot gun is Firmly against the shoulder be fore firing thus "no impact" Make sense? And this thread brings up question I have... I have heard the 22 ammo does not Store as well as Bigger caliber ammo? Is this True?

jrog100 | 02-10-2008 01:13 PM
Re: Took my shotgun out today Quote:
Originally Posted by jaima (Post 960485) I loaded and shot it all by myself. I'm glad I used the ear plugs!! It was a little hard on my bad shoulder but I survived. I did NOT like it. Nope, not at all. Its something I do not think I could get used to and pray I never have to use it. :no_ma: On the other hand I also shot the 22 rifle and loved that. My accuracy was pretty good.
Bummer. So are you then planning to get rid of it? Here's a suggestion, wear a thick coat or jacket when shooting. You'll eventually get used to it.

diogenes | 02-10-2008 01:56 PM
Re: Took my shotgun out today I bought my wife a remington 1100 20 ga semi auto and it recoils less than my mini 14 and my 45 leveraction for her. another option is one of those mercury recoil pistons...not sure of thier proper name, but they make a noticable difference in felt recoil.

Unclad Lad | 02-10-2008 06:32 PM
Re: Took my shotgun out today I don't think the storage itself is the issue. Rimfire can be iffy, because of the sheer volume of it that is manufactured, and because a rimfire primer is less reliable than a centerfire one. That's one reason a .25 acp is considered a better holdout pistol than a .22.

Unclad Lad | 02-10-2008 10:23 PM
Re: Took my shotgun out today You make some good points, but centerfire primers have the advange of uniformity. Every primer in a given batch is going to be statistically the same, whether rimfire or centerfire, yes, but since a rimfire requires enough primer be crushed beween the front and back of the rim, at any point around that rim, the chance of a failure increases. A primer cup allows for greater variance. There is a lot of demand for "target-grade" rimfire. You'd think by now a company would market primed .22 brass, so that anal-retentive--er, precision-minded handloaders could work up their own loads. I have to think that some volatility or fragility of the primer is what has prevented that from happening. Quote:
However, the great thing about the .25 auto is it's reloadable.
all you need is a jeweler's loupe, a light touch with the tweezers, and VERY steady hands. :D

SAUM | 02-10-2008 11:39 PM
Re: Took my shotgun out today Didn't read all of the replies maybe someone already mentioned these little known items. http://www.mercuryrecoil.com/

shades2 | 02-11-2008 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Elijah (Post 962236) Unclad, I think we may have had this discussion over on another board and you do have a point about the primer method. Different user names. However after several years at the gun range, I've also noticed a lot of center fire (live rounds) laying around where someone cleared they pistol and neglected to pick up their unexploded rounds. Sometime it looked like light strikes or just plan duds. I've experienced this same issue in center fire high power rounds. So my conclusion, if I may, is that while misfires or duds seem to occur a lot more in .22lr, it may just be because it gets shot so much more than other ammo. Also, quality control seems to be much better today than it was 40-50 years ago. One thing with a rimfire round the head space is the measurement of the thickness of the rim itself. If a gun is worn a bit too much for the ammo being used you'll get misfires. You'll think its the ammo, but unless you try to shoot it in something else you'll think it's the ammo and it could be the gun. I can't explain why ammo that won't fire in my 10-22 will fire in my S&W revolver. The match ammo seems to not be designed for the 10-22, or at least not mine, while it shoots just fine in the revolver. However, the great thing about the .25 auto is it's reloadable.
Because .22LR rimfire ammo doesn't use a centerfire primer it tends to be hit and miss affair from what I've seen. You can usually reload a .22LR round (rotate it to hit somewhere different on the rim) and hit it again, in the vast majority of cases it will go bang. Sometimes you just get what appears to be a dud, you can hit it over and over again and nothing, always treat them as totally live rounds of course, they might just go bang... Sometimes it's due to light strikes, sometimes not.

jaima | 02-11-2008 07:39 AM
Re: Took my shotgun out today I dont knwo much about a 22 except my husbands is over 35 years old and has been sitting in a storgae shed. Its never been cleaned once and it fired every time we shot it.

ne1buthillary | 02-11-2008 07:45 AM
Re: Took my shotgun out today i own and shoot a 20 gauge all the time.. be sure that you're holding it tight to your shoulder. otherwise it will beat you up.

shades2 | 02-14-2008 12:01 PM
Re: Took my shotgun out today Quote:
Originally Posted by jaima (Post 962640) I dont knwo much about a 22 except my husbands is over 35 years old and has been sitting in a storgae shed. Its never been cleaned once and it fired every time we shot it.
.22's are great for practicing your aim with, deliver almost no recoil, the ammo cost is very low, and the same principles of aim etc. apply to the larger bore rifles.

JJ_ | 02-14-2008 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Unclad Lad (Post 961596) One more option I don't usually add is: A pistol-grip shotgun. In your case it might make sense, especially with the low-recoil shells.
Yes! I was skimming this thread to see if someone brought this up. I've never tried it myself, but it seems that the pistol grip would one more point of contact for reciol absorpsion. Does anyone know for sure? You're getting some good advise here otherwise

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Abouthadit | 02-14-2008 01:14 PM
Re: Took my shotgun out today I certainly hope that you make a practice of at least looking down the bore. Running a cleaning patch through it before firing. A weapons two worst enemies are rust and politicians.

Unclad Lad | 02-16-2008 01:17 AM
Re: Took my shotgun out today Quote:
Originally Posted by Unclad Lad: One more option I don't usually add is: A pistol-grip shotgun. In your case it might make sense, especially with the low-recoil shells. Yes! I was skimming this thread to see if someone brought this up. I've never tried it myself, but it seems that the pistol grip would one more point of contact for reciol absorpsion. Does anyone know for sure? You're getting some good advise here otherwise
As I said, I don't think those are a good idea for most people, but given her shoulder problem, it's an option. Also included in that are shotguns with a pistol grip in addition to the buttstock, like on an AK.

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