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Dapper Dan | 03-19-2009 02:18 PM
We are now living in a tent! "When the going gets tough, the tough go camping!" :bear_w00t: We have been on the road in our Alaknak II wall tent for about two months now, which is why I haven't been on to much lately. We are DONE paying huge rent! We are DONE paying banks! We are DONE financing someone else's dreams and not our own!:565: We are now doing our part to STARVE THE BEAST! :9536:

Horn | 03-19-2009 02:21 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Dapper Dan (Post 1634661) We are now doing our part to STARVE THE BEAST! :9536:
Shouldn't take much longer, Dan. The ribs are showin on that thang. Best of Luck to you, and yours...

Lt Dan | 03-19-2009 02:33 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! I gotta ask, Whose land are you camped out on? If not your own, when can you be expecting to have to relocate? I guess you could do that on a claim as long as you don't build a permanent structure. I'm not up to date on miners claims on public land.

Dapper Dan | 03-19-2009 02:41 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Dan (Post 1634698) I gotta ask, Whose land are you camped out on? If not your own, when can you be expecting to have to relocate? I guess you could do that on a claim as long as you don't build a permanent structure. I'm not up to date on miners claims on public land.
Eventually when we buy land the camp will go on the land to save up for building materials.

Camp Bassfish | 03-19-2009 02:46 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Great read.... best of luck to you.

MetalManiac | 03-19-2009 02:51 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Cool Dapper Dan, Many may think this is NUTS, but imagine how much money you can save up for your land and a cabin or whatever. Great idea!!! :ok:

CoinHunter53562 | 03-19-2009 02:51 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Dapper Dan (Post 1634712) We are camped out at McChord AFB in Western Washington. They have a 240 day limit and 3 dollars a night. As soon as the camp in more perfected we plan to do some deep wood boondocking on USFS or BLM. Eventually when we buy land the camp will go on the land to save up for building materials.
Very cool...do you have to be a military vet to take advantage of this deal?

MagpieFairy | 03-19-2009 03:31 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Wow! That is just fantastic!! good looking camp, too!

RichG | 03-19-2009 03:34 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Sir .. you are living my dream .... I have lots of questions .... be back later. Rich

oldmansmith | 03-19-2009 03:36 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Good luck. I camped out for part of one year while going to college. You save BIG.

11S11ver | 03-19-2009 03:42 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Awesome! I could see this becoming a movement in the coming days.

GoldBuyer123 | 03-19-2009 03:44 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Your wife must love you very very very very much!!!!!

Dapper Dan | 03-19-2009 03:47 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBuyer123 (Post 1634858) Your wife must love you very very very very much!!!!!
She's a great woman, wife, and mother. Here's to you hun! :36_3_12:

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 03-19-2009 04:51 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Wow great tent! It keeps the heat in? What kind of stove do you run?

ShortJohnSilver | 03-19-2009 05:33 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Impressive! To be honest my wife would just about kill me for suggesting such a setup.

Dapper Dan | 03-19-2009 05:42 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNocturnalEgyptian (Post 1634992) Wow great tent! It keeps the heat in? What kind of stove do you run?
http://cylinderstoves.com/ http://www.cylinderstoves.com/catalo...c6fe2ed36e7fb9 Yes it keeps heat with stove going with good seasoned wood. An added tent liner would be nice though.

Jimfrancisco | 03-19-2009 06:12 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! A fast way to learn what you need to BO, without being forced to BO! Great stuff, Dan.

bigcdc | 03-19-2009 06:30 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! I've been dropping the stealth camping in a converted box van or something along those lines to the wife if the job goes under. She isn't thrilled about the idea of not having a hot shower everyday .... more drawing board work.

TheMadHatter | 03-19-2009 06:42 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! how do you bathe in a tent? It seems like this is costing you a fortune to do this. Do you not work at all? Where are you getting money to buy stuff?

TheMadHatter | 03-19-2009 06:44 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! how do you bathe in a tent? It seems like this is costing you a fortune to do this. Do you not work at all? Where are you getting money to buy stuff?

TheNocturnalEgyptian | 03-19-2009 06:53 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Wow those are some fantastic prices on stoves, thanks for the links! http://www.cylinderstoves.com/catalo...ound-Oven1.jpg

Dapper Dan | 03-19-2009 07:04 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by bigcdc (Post 1635184) I've been dropping the stealth camping in a converted box van or something along those lines to the wife if the job goes under. She isn't thrilled about the idea of not having a hot shower everyday .... more drawing board work.
Some options from Cabelas (we use the first two): http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/c...set_01?$thumb$ http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/co.../topseller.gif <table><tbody><tr><td style="padding-right: 15px;"> Cabela's Shower Shelter $129.99 </td></tr></tbody></table> http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/c...set_02?$thumb$ http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/co.../topseller.gif Zodi Hot Camp Shower $169.99 ~ $269.99 http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/c...set_01?$thumb$ Zodi Hot Tap X-40 Hot Water System $499.99

GoldMaster | 03-19-2009 07:54 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! I bought the same generator is there a problem with the Honda Gens? I figured a man could get many years of service from that model, whats the deal, did ya buy it new, did ya mistreat it?

Herbicidal | 03-19-2009 08:26 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Hmmmm.... it was the winter of our discount-tent. :36_1_63:

ruprick | 03-19-2009 08:31 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! I think the better option for power is to do what I have done with my Pop-up camper: 2 series 31 deep cycle marine batteries + 1200W inverter. I am building a 100A automotive alternator belt driven by a 2 HP engine. You can charge batteries in a big hurry with 100A. The problem with your little honda is that it will not put out much for charging batteries. Even if you buy a plug in 15A battery charger..... Do not know if they make big engine driven chargers like I'm building?

The Biss | 03-19-2009 10:11 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! I was/am looking into purchasing a GP Medium or GP Large myself for a similar situation. My house is currently paid off, but I have 1/3rd acre of property 2 blocks from downtown here in a Raleigh, NC suburb. The family owns property out in western NC near Lake Norman that ultimately I would like to farm. I have convinced the wife and kids that your lifestyle is doable for us as well while I build the house.

mick silver | 03-19-2009 10:39 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! thanks dd for the post i hope i can learn from what your doing , hey hug your wife , she is a good woman , there not a hole lot of them lift , be safe an warm

CANUCKFARMER | 03-19-2009 10:59 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! My old lady would freak right out. Your one lucky dude.

MagpieFairy | 03-20-2009 01:22 AM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by bigcdc (Post 1635184) I've been dropping the stealth camping in a converted box van or something along those lines to the wife if the job goes under. She isn't thrilled about the idea of not having a hot shower everyday .... more drawing board work.
That's not difficult....shower tent and portable hot water heater or sun shower. We do that when we go on vending trips or dry camping in the desert.

Lt Dan | 03-20-2009 10:42 AM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Dapper Dan (Post 1634712) We are camped out at McChord AFB in Western Washington. They have a 240 day limit and 3 dollars a night. As soon as the camp in more perfected we plan to do some deep wood boondocking on USFS or BLM. Eventually when we buy land the camp will go on the land to save up for building materials.
Dan, that's cool. My DOD ID says I have Exchange, MWR and Commissary privileges but I've never figured out what the MWR stood for. So, I'm not sure if I can use the camping grounds on the milatary bases or not. Tryed the motel on an air base one time, but it was only for active duty officers, not for disabled vets. I however think my camping days are soon going to come to a close. We've camped all over, mostly in a truck camper or fifth-wheel. But, the wife wants to sell the present truck camper and maybe look for a van camper. We have a tent and will do a tent camp for a short stay at a gold claim but with our ageing bods we'd rather have an actual bed. :4_8_4v:

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ShortJohnSilver | 03-20-2009 11:26 AM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Actually I was thinking about this a little more - really a brilliant plan. You have a pension from the military, right? So whatever they pay you, you pay some of it back at about $100 per month - unlikely they will raise that a lot in the coming year, even if the dollar goes to pieces. Thus you have a guaranteed source of payment in a form the the govt will ask to be paid in. Second, if things go to pieces as many here think it will - you will be safe and secure - military bases and the areas near them are the last place roving gangs or individual crooks will want to be around. So you have little to worry about in terms of physical security. Third, you are very mobile - if need be, you can be driving away with most/all your stuff in 8 hours or less. Essentially your house and your bug out bag is the same thing.

Fermentation | 03-20-2009 12:17 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! What kind of tent is that? And how can I get one? Cost?

wondering | 03-20-2009 12:30 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! I miss camping. I am sure that it would take some time to get back into the swing of it all. I will not mention some of the health issues I would have to tackle. However, push comes to shove, I miss my summer that I stayed in a tent on the beach eating little to nothing but what the fisherman brought in, pancakes and berries from the forest. I was sixteen then though. I am much older than that and would need a more comfortable bed than just leaves. I think it is great that you and your family is able to do this. Especially that your wife is being so cool about it. Kids usually see it all as adventure and are all for it! Tell your wife that others wives out here have great respect for her! Good luck, maybe there will be more of us doing much of the same in the near future!

Mach | 03-20-2009 12:43 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Dapper Dan (Post 1634661) "When the going gets tough, the tough go camping!" :bear_w00t:
Amazing. My best to you!

Finzo | 03-20-2009 12:46 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Dan (Post 1636430) Dan, that's cool. My DOD ID says I have Exchange, MWR and Commissary privileges but I've never figured out what the MWR stood for. So, I'm not sure if I can use the camping grounds on the milatary bases or not. Tryed the motel on an air base one time, but it was only for active duty officers, not for disabled vets. I however think my camping days are soon going to come to a close. We've camped all over, mostly in a truck camper or fifth-wheel. But, the wife wants to sell the present truck camper and maybe look for a van camper. We have a tent and will do a tent camp for a short stay at a gold claim but with our ageing bods we'd rather have an actual bed. :4_8_4v:
MWR stands for Morale, Welfare and Recreation. You should have access to the camping grounds. You can also rent camping equipment and other gear from the MWR department, which is located on the military base.

Lt Dan | 03-20-2009 03:42 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Finzo (Post 1636654) MWR stands for Morale, Welfare and Recreation. You should have access to the camping grounds. You can also rent camping equipment and other gear from the MWR department, which is located on the military base.
Thanks for that info. I'll have to let my wife in on that, maybe she'll rethink selling our truck camper. We do not live close enough to any military bases to even use the exchange and commissary let alone other privileges. I actually only assumed I could use the camping and other rec facilities. What I get for ASSUMING!!! :thumb.aspx:

MNeagle | 03-20-2009 04:19 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Interesting story. How long do you plan to live like this? What's your goal/plan, do you have one? I didn't see that covered in the blog. Best of luck & keep us posted!

AMforPM | 03-20-2009 04:44 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! That is very cool. My wife is extremely urban and any camping I have managed with her required a van or trailer for her to not hate it. Most of all she balks at sleeping on the ground, which I like a lot less now than at 14. A blanket was enough then. Now w/o a camping mattress even I am balky. Because bugging out could become life saving I'm keeping my eye open for low miles gas hog vans with dual tanks already installed. I think a time will come when they will be around at good prices. Then I will set it up with bed with storage under and mini kitchen and porta pottie. A full motorhome would be even better and even they may become available used at good prices as people shed toys for cash. In one of them we would have storage for considerable long shelf life food, more clothing, tools, seeds, trade goods, etc. With a big honking van we might need to pull a modest trailer. Living in nature does bring out some great qualities of body and mind. Adapting to seasons feels good and IMO is good for health. That is a great way to save up for land. Congratulations to you and your wife.

bigcdc | 03-20-2009 05:03 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by ruprick (Post 1635447) I think the better option for power is to do what I have done with my Pop-up camper: 2 series 31 deep cycle marine batteries + 1200W inverter. I am building a 100A automotive alternator belt driven by a 2 HP engine. You can charge batteries in a big hurry with 100A. The problem with your little honda is that it will not put out much for charging batteries. Even if you buy a plug in 15A battery charger..... Do not know if they make big engine driven chargers like I'm building?
That's a great idea but the 2hp motor is far to small if you tried to draw any considerable load from the alternator. I think for 100A alternator you need 6hp if you wanted to pull any serious load off the alternator. Its been a while since I looked at it but all of the websites and from my calculations that's what I came up with.

bigcdc | 03-20-2009 05:07 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! I was only in the active reserves for 8 years so I doubt I could go and use these camp grounds. Am I correct in this?

Lt Dan | 03-20-2009 05:25 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by bigcdc (Post 1637101) I was only in the active reserves for 8 years so I doubt I could go and use these camp grounds. Am I correct in this?
Far as I know, you have to be either active, retired or disabled with a DOD ID to use the facilities. Even though I was service connected, I couldn't use the privileges until I got the DOD ID. You don't really want to be there if you can help it. Disability is not that fun.

Dapper Dan | 03-20-2009 08:19 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt Dan (Post 1636430) Dan, that's cool. My DOD ID says I have Exchange, MWR and Commissary privileges but I've never figured out what the MWR stood for. So, I'm not sure if I can use the camping grounds on the milatary bases or not. Tryed the motel on an air base one time, but it was only for active duty officers, not for disabled vets. I however think my camping days are soon going to come to a close. We've camped all over, mostly in a truck camper or fifth-wheel. But, the wife wants to sell the present truck camper and maybe look for a van camper. We have a tent and will do a tent camp for a short stay at a gold claim but with our ageing bods we'd rather have an actual bed. :4_8_4v:
MWR means "Morale Welfare and Recreation".... You are GOOD TO GO El'Tee!!!

Dave | 03-20-2009 09:52 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by bigcdc (Post 1637095) That's a great idea but the 2hp motor is far to small if you tried to draw any considerable load from the alternator. I think for 100A alternator you need 6hp if you wanted to pull any serious load off the alternator. Its been a while since I looked at it but all of the websites and from my calculations that's what I came up with.
But that is the beauty of using batteries. The alternator will charge the batteries and contribute AMPs when their is a load. Your load capabilities would depend on your inverter's output capabilities assuming you are using AC power, so in actuality you would only run the alternator to charge up the batteries not really to carry any working loads via the inverter. This saves fuel and lets the batteries do the flexing power wise. Dave

Toto | 03-20-2009 10:17 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Dapper Dan (Post 1634712) We are camped out at McChord AFB in Western Washington. They have a 240 day limit and 3 dollars a night. As soon as the camp in more perfected we plan to do some deep wood boondocking on USFS or BLM. Eventually when we buy land the camp will go on the land to save up for building materials.
Well I can see where THAT helps put a stop to the Military/Industrial complex.

ShortJohnSilver | 03-20-2009 10:28 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Toto (Post 1637656) Well I can see where THAT helps put a stop to the Military/Industrial complex.
Yeah, he is paying those bastards all of $750 every 8 months! THAT will keep the Pentagon in toilet seats...

Dapper Dan | 03-21-2009 12:51 AM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Toto (Post 1637656) Well I can see where THAT helps put a stop to the Military/Industrial complex.
This is the only comment I'm going to dignify that asinine statement with.

Jimfrancisco | 03-21-2009 01:19 AM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave (Post 1637624) But that is the beauty of using batteries. The alternator will charge the batteries and contribute AMPs when their is a load. Your load capabilities would depend on your inverter's output capabilities assuming you are using AC power, so in actuality you would only run the alternator to charge up the batteries not really to carry any working loads via the inverter. This saves fuel and lets the batteries do the flexing power wise. Dave
It doesn't work like that. A 2hp motor will stall the second you connect an alternator to it under any load. Trust me, I've tried it.

Dave | 03-21-2009 07:08 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1637937) It doesn't work like that. A 2hp motor will stall the second you connect an alternator to it under any load. Trust me, I've tried it.
That depends on the size of alternator. If you are charging batteries, there isn't a significant peak loads assuming that is ALL you are doing. If you try an place an oversize alternator on a small engine I could see exactly what you mean since the alternator will create resistance based on the current draw obviously stalling the engine if the resistance is to great. There are charts out there that will allow you to size the maximum size alternator based on your engine horse power. Dave

Jimfrancisco | 03-21-2009 09:37 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! He was talking about a 100A alternator. There isn't a prayer of running 100A from a 2hp motor.

bigcdc | 03-22-2009 01:16 AM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimfrancisco (Post 1638917) He was talking about a 100A alternator. There isn't a prayer of running 100A from a 2hp motor.
I can see where he is coming from if he is only charging the batteries then a 2hp motor might make it. But if he's pulling any load while trying to charge the batteries then the alternator is going to take the majority of the load because its a much higher voltage than the system itself (meaning batteries) its going to stall with no question. Yes a 6HP motor will use more gas but it will be able to turn a 100A alternator under any condition which in my case would be something very important if I decided to build it. Although we've gotten quite off topic about living in a tent via MWR, I think this would be something very important to consider if planning on living off the grid.

Hugo Chavez | 03-22-2009 01:32 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by bigcdc (Post 1639162) I can see where he is coming from if he is only charging the batteries then a 2hp motor might make it. But if he's pulling any load while trying to charge the batteries then the alternator is going to take the majority of the load because its a much higher voltage than the system itself (meaning batteries) its going to stall with no question. Yes a 6HP motor will use more gas but it will be able to turn a 100A alternator under any condition which in my case would be something very important if I decided to build it. Although we've gotten quite off topic about living in a tent via MWR, I think this would be something very important to consider if planning on living off the grid.
Camp next to running water and drive the alternator with a water wheel? Some thought required but results are leccy 24/7.

Osaka | 03-22-2009 01:57 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! TN..Andy now has stiff competition as far as who at GIM is best able to live off the land. Your actually living in a tent home is relatively amazing, Dan.

des00s | 03-22-2009 06:15 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Are you making any income?

Jimfrancisco | 03-23-2009 05:50 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugo Chavez (Post 1639659) Camp next to running water and drive the alternator with a water wheel? Some thought required but results are leccy 24/7.
Very do-able, with a small (mower size) alternator and the right size pulley and belt. The main advantage being that you are not trying to run an engine to death by charging discharged batteries, you are keeping them on a float charge basically. Hell, my walk-behind mower has an electric start, and the alternator only puts out 10 amps - but if that's 24/7, it'll keep batteries topped up. You could always have a 4-6hp motor and car alternator in reserve, in case they get too low and need boosted, in times of heavy current draw...

Dave Thomas | 03-23-2009 06:05 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Yo Dapper Dan, I'm tickled pink your giving the system the finger. That rules. About your electricity and lighting situation, I would seriously look into LED lighting. Watt for Watt, they blow away flourescent, and DEFINATELY a are alot more efficient than incandescant ligthing. And much safer than having lanterns blazing away in the tent. You could purchase a deep cycle marine battery, a small solar panel, and string some LEDs up. They should run forever depending on how many LEDs you decide to light up. Here is something you can take a look at: http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_lighting_leds.html

CajunCoin | 03-23-2009 09:05 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Wife and myself have a Travel Trailer and are looking into going full time, nice to spend the winter in some nice and warm spot Like, say, LOUISIANA and the summer in the cool mountains. Living off the grid is not difficult, just look around the RV.net forums.

TTAZZMAN | 03-24-2009 01:06 AM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Im curious.....how are you connecting to the internet and posting?

Dave Thomas | 03-24-2009 01:10 AM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by CajunCoin (Post 1642396) Wife and myself have a Travel Trailer and are looking into going full time, nice to spend the winter in some nice and warm spot Like, say, LOUISIANA and the summer in the cool mountains. Living off the grid is not difficult, just look around the RV.net forums.
Louisiana? Ain't that hot in the summer?! I still have nightmares about Houma.

blueice | 03-25-2009 01:16 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! I do not know how to say this, however, you and your family have enormous courage in what is being done.... There must only be a few thousand of Americans doing this....Please, just do not start writing any manifestos... I am quite excited (what else do 60 year olds get) by your grand experiment.... I wish you and your dear family all the best in this outing!! :ok: I am going to ax the GoldDuck to do a flyover... DD, I am placing your blog on my favorite list, if it is ok with you.... You are a Great American Pioneer!! :adore: :adore:

Juristic Person | 03-25-2009 01:20 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Dapper Dan (Post 1634712) We are camped out at McChord AFB in Western Washington. They have a 240 day limit and 3 dollars a night. As soon as the camp in more perfected we plan to do some deep wood boondocking on USFS or BLM. Eventually when we buy land the camp will go on the land to save up for building materials.
How are you making money? .

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Dapper Dan | 03-26-2009 03:46 AM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by blueice (Post 1645290) I do not know how to say this, however, you and your family have enormous courage in what is being done.... There must only be a few thousand of Americans doing this....Please, just do not start writing any manifestos... I am quite excited (what else do 60 year olds get) by your grand experiment.... I wish you and your dear family all the best in this outing!! :ok: I am going to ax the GoldDuck to do a flyover... DD, I am placing your blog on my favorite list, if it is ok with you.... You are a Great American Pioneer!! :adore: :adore:
Wow..... Thank you!

wallew | 03-26-2009 02:09 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Hoovervilles come to mind. DD, you are ahead of the crowd. Which is ALWAYS a good thing. Keep at it. You WILL persevere. Study history. You will all learn WHERE WE ARE GOING. http://memory.loc.gov/learn/features...s/hoovers.html http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1642.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooverville http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm...m&file_id=1981 AND DON'T FORGET THE 'BONUS ARMY'... http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/snprelief4.htm http://www.worldwar1.com/dbc/bonusm.htm http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/bonusarmy.htm Those who don't study history tend to repeat it. I personally expect these types of problems, on a much greater scale once the 'welfare society' disappears in a sea of red ink. NO ONE will be able to survive on what ever it is that government doles out. DD is well ahead of most of us. I suspect that the coming storm will cause most of us to become 'transient' if we are lucky. Downright homeless and helpless at the worst. Way to go DD. I wish you the best. Quote:
Originally Posted by the biss I was/am looking into purchasing a GP Medium or GP Large myself for a similar situation.
TB, Forget about the GP tents. They take several people to put up. They are hot in the summer and cold in the winter. You can find wall tents on the net and most work as well if not better than GP's. NOW, if you want milsurp, consider instead a 'TEMPER' tent. They are 'modular' and you can start out small (16 x 16 if memory serves) and then add on to make it bigger by just adding another section. Calarmy surplus has them. This link also lists GP tents as well, so kind of a twofer type linky... http://www.calarmy.com/tents/index.html Mountain Surplus also has them. They also list GP tents and several other types. http://www.armytents.com/?gclid=CMCF...FQfNIgodtUd-rQ In my military vehicle collectors club, we have a fairly complete WWII style encampment with several GP tents. They look great. Though to be honest, it helps to be young and insane to put them up and live in them. We also have one TEMPER tent. Now those are slick. They do take several people to put up, but once up, they have good headroom, excellent ventilation and the ability to expand. You can also add a stove that will heat up the tent fairly easily. hope that helps...

Dapper Dan | 04-01-2009 06:29 AM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by wallew (Post 1647143) Hoovervilles come to mind. DD, you are ahead of the crowd. Which is ALWAYS a good thing. Keep at it. You WILL persevere. Study history. You will all learn WHERE WE ARE GOING. http://memory.loc.gov/learn/features...s/hoovers.html http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1642.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooverville http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm...m&file_id=1981 AND DON'T FORGET THE 'BONUS ARMY'... http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/snprelief4.htm http://www.worldwar1.com/dbc/bonusm.htm http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/bonusarmy.htm Those who don't study history tend to repeat it. I personally expect these types of problems, on a much greater scale once the 'welfare society' disappears in a sea of red ink. NO ONE will be able to survive on what ever it is that government doles out. DD is well ahead of most of us. I suspect that the coming storm will cause most of us to become 'transient' if we are lucky. Downright homeless and helpless at the worst. Way to go DD. I wish you the best. TB, Forget about the GP tents. They take several people to put up. They are hot in the summer and cold in the winter. You can find wall tents on the net and most work as well if not better than GP's. NOW, if you want milsurp, consider instead a 'TEMPER' tent. They are 'modular' and you can start out small (16 x 16 if memory serves) and then add on to make it bigger by just adding another section. Calarmy surplus has them. This link also lists GP tents as well, so kind of a twofer type linky... http://www.calarmy.com/tents/index.html Mountain Surplus also has them. They also list GP tents and several other types. http://www.armytents.com/?gclid=CMCF...FQfNIgodtUd-rQ In my military vehicle collectors club, we have a fairly complete WWII style encampment with several GP tents. They look great. Though to be honest, it helps to be young and insane to put them up and live in them. We also have one TEMPER tent. Now those are slick. They do take several people to put up, but once up, they have good headroom, excellent ventilation and the ability to expand. You can also add a stove that will heat up the tent fairly easily. hope that helps...
We've researched the TEMPERs and the news is even better.... They are in EIGHT foot sections and not 16, plus, they even have liners which is a big, HUGE plus.:wink:

blueice | 04-01-2009 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Dapper Dan (Post 1634712) We are camped out at McChord AFB in Western Washington. They have a 240 day limit and 3 dollars a night. As soon as the camp in more perfected we plan to do some deep wood boondocking on USFS or BLM. Eventually when we buy land the camp will go on the land to save up for building materials.
Good morning Dapper Dan!! Sa,y most camping places in Minnesota (state operated) only allow a thirty day stay...When my number six brother was doing it, they were charging him $15.oo to camp!! Any he would be there a month at a time!! BTW, what is the square footage of your house:questionm Of all the tents, I like the Temper Tent, which does not have those the outside support wires..Nice links, Wallace... I had the pleasure meeting three service guys last night, one being a SSGT, the other a Capt in the Air Force, and the three was a Major in the Australian Air Force...I was very excited in speaking with all three!!

meatman | 04-01-2009 07:04 AM
Re: We are now living in a tent! [quote We are now doing our part to STARVE THE BEAST! :9536: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_I0qGsPkasL...%2B(Small).JPG [/quote] yea but as soon as you buy land and pay taxes and buy building supplies pay sales tax you will be feeding the beast once again. now I know there is not much you can do, my point is you will never stop feeding the beast your giving $3 a night right now to the beast. but you are living a cool life right now

Dave | 04-01-2009 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by meatman (Post 1656967) yea but as soon as you buy land and pay taxes and buy building supplies pay sales tax you will be feeding the beast once again. now I know there is not much you can do, my point is you will never stop feeding the beast your giving $3 a night right now to the beast. but you are living a cool life right now
I think the best way to starve the beast is to produce almost everything you need from your own land. Sure you will still have property taxes but if you can get agricultural exemption they will be extremely minimal. Since I personally have had a huge income loss, I am being forced down the path of producing what I need but at the same time I am seeing the wisdom in it. Sometimes we get caught up in our lives and our relative comfort and are unwilling to be inconvenienced to take the step away; until it is taken away that is. I agree with you though, it will be hard to to starve the beast, the only thing we can hope to do it put it on a diet :) Dave

CajunCoin | 04-01-2009 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Thomas (Post 1642818) Louisiana? Ain't that hot in the summer?! I still have nightmares about Houma.
The idea is to go the Mountains in summer (Colorado, Wyoming or Mountana, Tennessesse, North Carolina, or even Nova Scotia (Where Cajuns "ACADIANS" originated and have ties). Louisiana is a BRANCH OFFICE OF HELL IN THE SUMMER, Compre mon ami, non? Houma, then you know the Cajuncoin habitat area, SE by 30 miles in South Lafourche!:cooler: Houma, now the biggest city between Lafayette and New Orleans NOW. Praytell what you know, PM me.:36_1_32v:

Golddust | 04-01-2009 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by CajunCoin (Post 1658245) The idea is to go the Mountains in summer (Colorado, Wyoming or Mountana, Tennessesse, North Carolina, or even Nova Scotia (Where Cajuns "ACADIANS" originated and have ties). Louisiana is a BRANCH OFFICE OF HELL IN THE SUMMER, Compre mon ami, non? Houma, then you know the Cajuncoin habitat area, SE by 30 miles in South Lafourche!:cooler: Houma, now the biggest city between Lafayette and New Orleans NOW. Praytell what you know, PM me.:36_1_32v:
Not to derail thread I have live in morgen city ,,Bayou Vista good people and better eats any ware The only place I have lived in the world, where you can dig 3 feet down and hit water at 2 1/2 feet... :biggrin:

CajunCoin | 04-01-2009 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Golddust (Post 1658270) Not to derail thread I have live in morgen city ,,Bayou Vista good people and better eats any ware The only place I have lived in the world, where you can dig 3 feet down and hit water at 2 1/2 feet... :biggrin:
Know it well, camp in Gibson, LA at hidaway ponds, go over to MC quite often, but with the closing of McDermott, MC has suffered. 3 ft down south of I-10, water is there, 2,300ft down we have oil and gas!!!!

Golddust | 04-01-2009 10:12 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by CajunCoin (Post 1658304) Know it well, camp in Gibson, LA at hidaway ponds, go over to MC quite often, but with the closing of McDermott, MC has suffered. 3 ft down south of I-10, water is there, 2,300ft down we have oil and gas!!!!
Worked at Service Machine and Shipworks and off shore .. welding and fitting ,,rig moves Then party hardy.. Pires part?? Can not remember how spelled and if not part port?? In between MC and Houma and Thibodaux. Can't find it on my map. :biggrin:

TTAZZMAN | 04-02-2009 12:43 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! I noticed a couple of pertinate questions didnt get answered so i thought i would re-ask them what method of connection to the internet and how are you posting how are you earning $ for us considering similar arrangements one of the things i would hate to lose the most is connection to the internet and its resources, archives and information, for me it would be one of the hardest things to UN-Grid myself from

Dapper Dan | 04-04-2009 06:27 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by TTAZZMAN (Post 1659250) I noticed a couple of pertinate questions didnt get answered so i thought i would re-ask them what method of connection to the internet and how are you posting how are you earning $ for us considering similar arrangements one of the things i would hate to lose the most is connection to the internet and its resources, archives and information, for me it would be one of the hardest things to UN-Grid myself from
First question: Via cell phone hooked to laptop. Second question (as if it's any of your business): Already answered in this thread early on.

hello77 | 04-04-2009 10:05 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! I do find the alternator discussion in this thread rather interesting as i was not aware that a "generator" could not charge a battery setup the same as an alternator. I always thought charge capacity would be dependent on total watt output and not on wether you used an alternator or generator (provided you had the right charger for the generator); however, it does seem to matter...is it because they dont make a charger that is efficient for a generator or something else? Would like to hear more on this as was thinking of going to generator with battery setup; but after reading this it makes me wonder?

TTAZZMAN | 04-05-2009 12:30 AM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by Dapper Dan (Post 1662785) First question: Via cell phone hooked to laptop. Second question (as if it's any of your business): Already answered in this thread early on.
...your 100% right its not any of my business...in fact none of anything you do is any of my business...sorry i repeated someone elses question......never intended to get into your business etc.... ...again i am 1000% sorry for asking that question again.... ...thank you for your service as a retired vet.....

Brio | 04-14-2009 09:25 AM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Good luck to you and your family Dan. I lived in a tent a few times growing up, while we built. It isn't such a hardship, especially when the days are longer and the nights warmer. It may not seem like much fun now, but these are the days you'll remember.

Dave | 04-14-2009 02:09 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by hello77 (Post 1663022) I do find the alternator discussion in this thread rather interesting as i was not aware that a "generator" could not charge a battery setup the same as an alternator. I always thought charge capacity would be dependent on total watt output and not on wether you used an alternator or generator (provided you had the right charger for the generator); however, it does seem to matter...is it because they dont make a charger that is efficient for a generator or something else? Would like to hear more on this as was thinking of going to generator with battery setup; but after reading this it makes me wonder?
You can charge batteries with a generator. You will need some sort of battery charger to do it obviously since the generator puts out A/C current versus D/C current. Actually, I have an old APC 3000 watt UPS where I removed the internal batteries (just 10AH batteries). The UPS requires 48VDC so I will have four larger 12VDC (100AH +) deep cycle batteries in series. The UPS will stay charged with regular grid power; however, if we loose power for long periods of time I can charge it with the generator allowing me to run lights and small appliances without the generator through the day or night. The benefit of augmenting your generator with batteries is that you can obviously extend your fuel supply. Also, if you are in a situation where you are practicing OPSEC due to a long term outage and you are concerned about generator noise during periods you need to operate silently there is obviously a benefit there. In any case, just remember you will need a good battery charger/maintenance unit and of course an inverter back to A/C power assuming you need it. Naturally this is where salvaging an old UPS could kill two birds with one stone. The only thing I don't believe you can run off of a UPS is a microwave due to the modified sine wave output from the UPS (I haven't verified this by trying yet). Either way, just get creative with what you have around you and of course be careful! Always double check your wiring! Dave

Pat | 04-19-2009 11:51 PM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Re: We are now living in a tent! I'm living in a camper, a two bedroom 30 footer to be exact. Its parked on my land and hooked up to grid. I added a 100 amp panel and ran two 20 amp circuits for space heaters, and ran another 30 amp two pole circuit for my laundry room (8x8 garden shed, insulated, washer dryer etc .. ) If I loose power everything switches over to 12volt batter back up (a couple big 6 volt tractor batteries). The campers 45 amp on board charger maintains the batteries. I have county water and a drilled well that's not in use right now. I bought a used 250 gallon LP tank and piped it into the camper for the HWT, stove and furnace. I mostly use electric heat but the furnace is 12 volt, my back up heat. The Refrigerator switches over to LP gas in a power outage too. I just built a large 20x20 single car garage/shop on the cheap, just road rock floor and steel building. I tapped off the laundry rooms circuit to light up the shop. I installed a cheap boxwood stove for heat. Since I quit feeding landlords and mortgage bankers I accumulate more "stuff". Like a big quad runner for trail riding and hauling wood. A trolling motor powered canoe for fishing. A motor bike, a chainsaw, some solar panels, a garden tiller and other good survival stuff. Some people have issues with the way I live but I think they secretly envy me. I'm not really "roughing it". Cold beer, Sat TV, Phone, Computer, hot showers, heat, microwave, air conditioning ... Once you free yourself from the money masters and landlords everything seems to work out.

MNeagle | 04-20-2009 12:27 AM
Re: We are now living in a tent! [QUOTE=Pat;1685498] I'm living in a camper, a two bedroom 30 footer to be exact. Guess I'm not really seeing your point here, in DD's thread. Care to expain?

aybesee123 | 04-20-2009 03:40 AM
Re: We are now living in a tent! Quote:
Originally Posted by MNeagle (Post 1685526) Guess I'm not really seeing your point here, in DD's thread. Care to expain?
Don't be such a hall monitor. I think his point was summed up in his last sentence. Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat (Post 1685498) Once you free yourself from the money masters and landlords everything seems to work out."

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