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HistoryStudent | 02-11-2010 05:16 PM
2100 years ago 1 Attachment(s) Attachment 87105 Here's something from when Julius Caesar was chasing the GAULS from France. This group/tribe eventually played buddy/buddy with the Romans. Most of these coins went across the pond to England and were found there as an early Brit coin. The soldiers would take one of these a month and actually be killed for it. Enjoy, HS http://time-lines.co.uk/superb-ambia...4-16499-0.html http://www.coinarchives.com/a/result...search=Ambiani

AlterEgo | 02-11-2010 05:21 PM
Re: 2100 years ago Super nice HS.... major envy.

HistoryStudent | 02-11-2010 05:24 PM
Re: 2100 years ago 1 Attachment(s) Attachment 87106 Attila the HUN was probably paid off by this. The Huns remained out of Roman sight for the next few years as a Hunnic force invaded the Sassanid Empire. A defeat in Armenia by the Sassanids caused them to abandon this attempt and return their attentions to Europe. In 440 they reappeared in force on the borders of the Roman Empire, attacking the merchants at the market on the north bank of the Danube that had been established by the treaty. Crossing the Danube, they laid waste to Illyrian cities and forts on the river, among them, according to Priscus, Viminacium, which was a city of Moesia. Their advance began at Margus, whose bishop they had demanded for retaining property which Attila regarded as his; when the Romans discussed handing over the offending bishop, he slipped away secretly to the Huns and betrayed the city to them. The Huns in battle with the Alans, Johann Nepomuk Geiger, 1873.As the Huns conquered the Danube defences, the Vandals, under the leadership of Geiseric, captured the Western Roman province of Africa with its capital of Carthage in 440 and the Sassanid Shah Yazdegerd II invaded Armenia in 441. Stripping the Balkan defenses of forces requested by the West Romans, in order to launch an attack on the Vandals in Africa (which was the richest province of the Western empire and a main source of the food supply of Rome) left Attila and Bleda a clear path through Illyria into the Balkans, which they invaded in 441. The Hunnish army, having sacked Margus and Viminacium, took Singidunum (modern Belgrade) and Sirmium before halting. A lull followed in 442 and during this time Theodosius recalled his troops from Sicily and ordered a large new issue of coins to finance operations against the Huns. Having made these preparations, he thought it safe to refuse the Hunnish kings' demands. Attila responded with a campaign in 443.[10] Striking along the Danube, the Huns overran the military centres of Ratiara and successfully besieged Naissus (modern Niš) with battering rams and rolling siege towers—military sophistication that was new to the Hun repertoire. Then, pushing along the Nisava River, they took Serdica (Sofia), Philippopolis (Plovdiv), and Arcadiopolis. They encountered and destroyed a Roman army outside Constantinople and were stopped by the double walls of the Eastern capital. A second army was defeated near Callipolis (modern Gallipoli) and Theodosius, now without any armed forces to respond, admitting defeat, sent the Magister militum per Orientem Anatolius to negotiate peace terms. These were harsher than the previous treaty: the Emperor agreed to hand over 6,000 Roman pounds (ca. 2000 kg) of gold as punishment for having disobeyed the terms of the treaty during the invasion; the yearly tribute was tripled, rising to 2,100 Roman pounds (ca. 700 kg) in gold; and the ransom for each Roman prisoner rose to 12 solidi.Their demands met for a time, the Hun kings withdrew into the interior of their empire. According to Jordanes (following Priscus), during the peace following the Huns' withdrawal from Byzantium (probably around 445), Bleda died (killed in a hunting accident arranged by his brother, according to the classical sources), Attila took the throne for himself, and became the sole ruler of the Huns.[11]

HistoryStudent | 02-11-2010 05:29 PM
Re: 2100 years ago 1 Attachment(s) Attachment 87109 Brutus died for this - perhaps. He faced off against Caesar Agustus (to be) and Mark Anthony - lost his buddy (mistakenly) and fell on his sword. The treasure chest lay in Phillipi (Italy/Thrace then) for 2,000 years. Here's one of the coins - controversially of course. A variant one at that. The Gold Stater of Koson Guest Author - Raymond F. Hanisco One of the more controversial coins of the Ancient World is the Gold Stater of Koson or what is often called the Gold Stater of Brutus. This magnificent coin was struck around 42 B.C., and embodies a story involving murder, war, and suicide. It is no wonder it is a favorite among collectors. On the Ides of March of 44 B.C., Marcus Junius Brutus, Cassius and a group of Republicans assassinated Julius Caesar. This caused Civil War, and Brutus fled Rome to an area of Greece called Thrace where he raised and army of Dacian mercenaries awaiting the expected backlash of his actions. While in Thrace, Brutus attempted to gain financial backing. It was Polomocratia, the widow of the Thracian dynast Sadalas, who consigned gold to back the army of Brutus. After Brutus fled Rome, Octavian and Marc Anthony pledged to hunt down Brutus, and bring him to justice in an attempt to restore order and peace within the Roman Empire. They assembled their armies, and began their march. The Gold Staters of Koson were considered as military payroll for the army of Brutus, and were a part of his ‘War Chest.’ They were minted in the Koson area of Thrace of what is believed to be an anonymous Scythian group. Each of these Greek Staters was made of 8.5 grams of pure gold, and about the size of the U.S. $2 � gold piece. The obverse side of the coin is almost a direct copy of the Roman Brutus silver denarii from 54 B.C. It depicts three figures in togas, the middle one being Lucius Junius Brutus, an ancestor of Marcus Junius Brutus, and the other two ligates. Below the three figures is the word “Koson.” The reverse pictures a Roman eagle perched on a scepter while holding a wreath of victory in one of its claws. This is very similar to the type of motif found on many Roman Republic silver and gold coins. Even though these coins look very Roman, and were made to emulate Roman coins, they were made in Greece. It is believed that all known examples of these coins in existence today originated directly from the ‘War Chest’ of Brutus’ army. A ‘War Chest’ is the payroll from which an army was compensated. Prior to battle the ‘War Chest’ would be buried to prevent its capture by the opposing armies. After the battle, the chest would be dug up and the soldiers would be paid. The allied forces of Octavian and Marc Anthony engaged the Dacian mercenary army of Brutus on the fields of Philippi. The battle was brutal and swift. With the defeat of Dacian army becoming emanate, and not wanting to be taken back to Rome in disgrace, Brutus rode onto the field of battle, and fell onto to his own sword thus ending his life. The ‘War Chest’ was lost and remained buried for over 2000 years. It was the practice of armies to bring their treasures into battle that has given modern numismatics this great find. Since these gold coins were buried soon after they were struck, most of them have survived in a pristine Mint State condition. Historians have finally solved the controversy of how these very Roman looking coins are Greek.

HistoryStudent | 02-11-2010 05:42 PM
Re: 2100 years ago PS I've found that pre-1840 USA GOLD coins are a tad expensive.

Red_Leg | 02-11-2010 05:45 PM
Re: 2100 years ago Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 2175169) Attachment 87106 Attila the HUN was probably paid off by this.
Thank you, HS. This one is my favorite of the three. Beautiful! I like the history lesson, too.

livtocruz | 02-11-2010 06:35 PM
Re: 2100 years ago Oh no, what have I done? I've unleaded a closet picture poster. Nice coins HS, I know you've been dying to show them. Theses are pictures you've taken I assume? :23_30_104:

HistoryStudent | 02-11-2010 10:50 PM
Re: 2100 years ago 1 Attachment(s) Attachment 87121 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithridates_VI_of_Pontus Fellow KILLED 60,000 Romans and had to pay 600,000 of these, guess what?:yes:

newmisty | 02-11-2010 10:54 PM
Re: 2100 years ago Amazing stuff! Time to change your name to History Teacher.

HistoryStudent | 02-11-2010 10:56 PM
Re: 2100 years ago 1 Attachment(s) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraclius Attachment 87123

Workaholic | 02-11-2010 11:00 PM
Re: 2100 years ago Very interesting, but what are the numismatic values of these? Are you the owner?

HistoryStudent | 02-11-2010 11:02 PM
Re: 2100 years ago 1 Attachment(s) Attachment 87124 Last Doge (DUKE) burried in Saint Marks in Venice; also the Black Plague hit Venice around 1345 and KILLED 33% of the people; then with labor shortages (they were dead right?) the labor unions and guilds sprang up to make Venice rather rich. Andrea Dandolo (1306 – September 7, 1354), was elected the 54th doge of Venice in 1343, replacing Bartolomeo Gradenigo who died in late 1342. [edit] Biography Trained in historiography and law, Andrea Dandolo studied at the University of Padua where he became a law professor until he was elected as doge. He was descended from an old Venetian noble family that played an important role in Venetian politics from the twelfth to fifteenth centuries, and produced 4 Venetian doges, numerous admirals and several other prominent citizens. Dandolo was known as a benefactor of the arts. He reformed the Venetian legal code, formally proclaiming a legal framework in 1346 that compiled all of the applicable laws in the Republic. He was a friend of Petrarch’s, who wrote of Dandolo that he was “a just man, incorruptible, full of ardor and love for his country, erudite, eloquent, wise, affable and human”. Dandolo's rise to prominence in Venetian public life was precocious. In 1331, at the age of only 25, he was named procurator of St. Mark's Basilica. He became doge in 1343 at the age of 37. During his reign, Venice endured a disastrous war with the Hungarians following Zadar’s seventh revolt against the Serenissima Republic. Allied with the Hungarians, Genoa deployed a powerful naval fleet to the Adriatic under the command of Paganino Doria that devastated the Venetian territories and threatened Venice herself. Venice was saved by the great naval victory of Lojera in 1353. Venice was struck by a violent earthquake on 25 January 1348 that caused hundreds of casualties, destroyed numerous buildings and, it was assumed at the time, provoked the terrible outbreak of the Black Death, which did not end until 1350. Between 1348 and 1350 a third of the population died. Andrea Dandolo wrote two chronicles in Latin on the history of Venice which can be found in volume XII of Muratori’s collection Rerum Italicarum Scriptores. Dandolo was the last doge to be interred in St Mark’s Basilica. The branch of the Dandolo family that currently lives in France descends directly from Andrea Dandolo. Settled in Picardy, the Dandolo family is part of the Italian aristocracy and carries the title of count. Earlier UNCLE who wiped out the CONSTANTINOBLE folks... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Dandolo

HistoryStudent | 02-11-2010 11:06 PM
Re: 2100 years ago 1 Attachment(s) Attachment 87125 Another Doge (DUKE) of Venice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doges_of_Venice And we think 230 years is a LONG time right? Marco Cornaro From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Marco Cornaro, (born c.1286, died 13 January 1368), also known as Marco Corner, was the 59th doge of Venice, ruling between 1365 and 1368. His brief reign saw the loss of Venetian territory to Genoa and the Ottoman Empire, though Venice was to enjoy economic growth during this time. [edit] Biography The Cornaro family to which the future doge was born was one of Venice's oldest, its lineage tracable to the Romans. It was also one of the richest, having achieved this status from money-lending. The Cornaros would produce three more doges in the 17th and 18th centuries. Marco Cornaro's first marriage was to Giovanna Scrovegni of Padua, with whom he had three sons and two daughters. His second marriage was to a woman named Caterina about whom little is known other than her low social status made his later election to the doge difficult. Cornaro acquired his own wealth through trade with Egypt. He also followed both military and political careers in the service of the Republic, leading troops at sea and on the mainland. He served as ambassador to Emperor Charles IV and Pope Clement VI, and was also a member of the Venetian delegation to the election of Pope Urban V in Avignon. Cornaro was instrumental in the discovery and suppression of the attempted coup d'�tat in 1355 by the then doge Marino Faliero, who intended to declare himself prince of Venice. Following the dissolution of the plot and execution of the conspirators, Cornaro was briefly made vice-doge before a successor to Faliero could be appointed. [edit] Dogal office On the death of the previous incumbent Lorenzo Celsi on 18 July 1365, Cornaro was elected to the dogal office, despite the aspersions cast by his opponents over his advanced age, his wife's low birth and his friendships with foreign princes. Once elected, in contrast to his predecessors, he established a respectful stance towards Venice's public bodies. During the two and a half years of his reign, Venice saw no major changes or wars, though it was to lose the islands of Chios, Lesbos and Phocaea to the Republic of Genoa. He was successful in re-establishing Venetian trade with Egypt by convincing Urban V to rescind his prohibition on dealing with infidels. Cornaro ordered the construction of a wing of the Doge's Palace on its side facing San Marco. Marco Cornaro died in the early hours of 13 January 1368. He is buried in the Basilica of San Zanipolo

HistoryStudent | 02-11-2010 11:11 PM
Re: 2100 years ago Quote:
Originally Posted by Workaholic (Post 2175693) Very interesting, but what are the numismatic values of these? Are you the owner?
Yes. And they were a couple of BUCKS I can tell you that. :4_1_72: I'm SO BROKE I squeak!

HistoryStudent | 02-11-2010 11:14 PM
Re: 2100 years ago 1 Attachment(s) http://coins.lakdiva.org/netherlands..._ducat_au.html Attachment 87126 Higest graded by NGC - not bad for a couple of bucks, right?

HistoryStudent | 02-11-2010 11:21 PM
Re: 2100 years ago 1 Attachment(s) Attachment 87127 Okay this was the * LAST * DOGE - remember the Roman coin from 441 A.D. above? Well that's when the HUNS led by the imfamous Atilla scared the HOLY MOSES out of the Greeks and they ran for the marshes and FOUNDED, guess what? VENICE - kinda full circle. So from 441 A.D to 1797 A.D Venice was VENICE. 1356 years! Ludovico Manin (14 May 1725 – 24 October 1802) was the last Doge of Venice. He governed Venice from 9 March 1789 until 1797, when he was forced to abdicate by Napoleon Bonaparte. Contents [hide] 1 Early life 2 Doge 3 Death 4 References [edit] Early life Manin was born on 14 May 1725, the eldest of five sons of Lodovico Alvise and Maria Basadonna, the great-granddaughter of a cardinal. He attended the University of Bologna. In 1787 he met Pope Pius VI. He had married Elisabetta Grimani, receiving a dowry of 45,001 ducats. [edit] Doge He was elected Doge of Venice on 9 March 1789, approximately one month before the start of the French Revolution, on the first ballot (the electoral assembly was composed of 41 members). His traditional coronation ceremony required him to throw coins to the Venetians, which cost more than 458,197 Lira, less than a quarter of which was paid from the funds of the Republic of Venice, the rest coming out of his own pocket. By the year 1792, he had allowed the once great Venetian merchant fleet to decline to a mere 309 merchantmen. Villa Manin, in Passariano, where the Treaty of Campoformio was signed.When Napoleon invaded Italy, Venice, along with Genoa, did not initially join the coalition of Italian states formed in 1795, instead maintaining neutrality. On 15 April 1797, Jean-Andoche Junot gave the Doge an ultimatum which was not accepted. A secret addition to the Treaty of Leoben, signed on 17 April 1797, gave Venice—as well as Istria and Dalmatia— to Austria. On 25 April 1797, the French fleet arrived at the Lido. Venetian cannons sank one of the ships, but did not succeed in repelling the invasion since the Venetian war fleet numbered only 4 galleys and 7 galliots. The Doge surrendered on 12 May 1797 and left the Doge's Palace two days later. On 16 May French troops entered Piazza San Marco and the surrender contract was officially signed, submitting Venice to French rule, and incorporating it into the Kingdom of Italy. PS they did the same type GOLD coin for over 550 years!

HistoryStudent | 02-11-2010 11:22 PM
Re: 2100 years ago P.S. I tried to get MS65s but they are a "tad hard" to find some 2,000 years ago, right? Darn BRUTUS could woulda shoulda mighta been a lot more careful right? Thanks for putting up with me I'm learning how to catalog my coins. I've obtained another 20 Early French coins 1750 to 1857 - many BONEYS! E'vey again highest is MS62! Drats!

TomD | 02-11-2010 11:30 PM
Re: 2100 years ago I'm stunned, I had no idea that such pristine examples of such ancient coins existed. Certainly not at any price level that I could afford at any rate. Beautiful and intriguing.

HistoryStudent | 02-11-2010 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by livtocruz (Post 2175327) Oh no, what have I done? I've unleaded a closet picture poster. Nice coins HS, I know you've been dying to show them. Theses are pictures you've taken I assume? :23_30_104:
I'm GUILTY - please show mercy :adore: - NO FLAMES and terrible remarks.

Workaholic | 02-11-2010 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 2175706) Yes. And they were a couple of BUCKS I can tell you that. :4_1_72: I'm BROKE!
I have feeling if I had your money HS, I could throw mine away. bancha Great coin show HS, thanks... .

HistoryStudent | 02-11-2010 11:48 PM
Re: 2100 years ago Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 2175725) I'm stunned, I had no idea that such pristine examples of such ancient coins existed. Certainly not at any price level that I could afford at any rate. Beautiful and intriguing.
Hey, YOU helped. Wait till I get another feather up my A$$ETS. I like coins that LINK themselves together by history. That's because there is SO much history, right? I'm trying for MINT STATE really early 4th century gold - but that's like a 1933 Saint - remember the gal just who gave 10 of them to the Treasury for authentication! http://www.forumancientcoins.com/cat...s.asp?vpar=610 WOW! TOMD when I get to be better I'll do the backs too. I'm sure REDLEG would love to see the back too. Thanks for being there - and quick TOO like my RICKY MARTIN buddy - LOVING THE VIDA CRUISE - or something. just kidding...

HistoryStudent | 02-12-2010 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Workaholic (Post 2175747) I have feeling if I had your money HS, I could throw mine away. bancha Great coin show HS, thanks... .
For about fifteen Years I felt I threw mine away. Then came the YEAR 2005 and it's been ONE HECK of a PARTY :signs1: in gold silver and platinum. Guess studing history paid off - at least for the next three years - and if the US dollar isn't TOTALLY past history that is, right?

HistoryStudent | 02-12-2010 04:19 PM
Re: 2100 years ago 2 Attachment(s) Attachment 87168 Attachment 87169 Here Here Louis 15th - of FRANCE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XV_of_France Interesting history - rhymes with US.

HistoryStudent | 02-12-2010 04:27 PM
Re: 2100 years ago 2 Attachment(s) Attachment 87170 Attachment 87171 Here's LOUIS 16th - He KINDA lost his head... :signs14: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XVI_of_France

newmisty | 02-12-2010 07:31 PM
Re: 2100 years ago It really is amazing how rich or history is. I find it facinating to see the scenes/images that were thought important in those days... Seems that life was a bit more "serious" at that time eh'? Keep em coming if you don't mind HS/T!

TomD | 02-12-2010 07:43 PM
Re: 2100 years ago Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 2176749) Attachment 87170 Attachment 87171 Here's LOUIS 16th - He KINDA lost his head... :signs14: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XVI_of_France
Good Lord, look at that nose!

newmisty | 02-12-2010 08:42 PM
Re: 2100 years ago Lol, yeah but the hair helps balance it out.

mojo1 | 02-12-2010 09:56 PM
Re: 2100 years ago Those are beautiful. Kinda sad you can't take them out and play with them and imagine who else might have handled them.

HistoryStudent | 02-12-2010 11:36 PM
Re: 2100 years ago AMEN. here's a LIST of older ones if you have very DEEP DEEP pockets... Big BOY game: http://www.cngcoins.com/Coins.aspx?C...39&VIEW_TYPE=0 solidus (the Latin word for solid) was originally a gold coin issued by the Romans. It was introduced by Constantine I in 309–10, and was used through the Byzantine Empire until the 10th century. The coin replaced the aureus as the main gold coin of the Roman Empire. Julian. ... Julian. ... Flavius Claudius Iulianus, also known as Julian the Philosopher, was the last pagan Roman Emperor. ... Events Emperor Ai succeeds Emperor Mu as emperor of China. ... Avitus. ... Avitus. ... Avitus on a tremissis. ... Events Emperor Marcian quells disturbances on the Armenian frontier. ... Latin is an ancient Indo-European language originally spoken in the region around Rome called Latium. ... Gold coins are one of the oldest forms of money. ... The Roman Forum was the central area around which ancient Rome developed. ... Head of Constantines colossal statue at Musei Capitolini Gaius Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus[1] (February 27, 272�€“May 22, 337), commonly known as Constantine I, Constantine the Great, or (among Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic[2] Christians) Saint Constantine, was a Roman Emperor, proclaimed Augustus by his troops on... Byzantine Empire (Greek: �’�…ζαν�„ινή �‘�…�„οκρα�„ορία) is the term conventionally used since the 19th century to describe the Greek-speaking Roman Empire during the Middle Ages, centered at its capital in Constantinople. ... As a means of recording the passage of time, the 10th century was that century which lasted from 901 to 1000. ... Aureus minted in 193 by Septimius Severus to celebrate XIIII Gemina Martia Victrix, the legion that proclamed him emperor. ... The name solidus had previously been used by Diocletian (284-305) for the gold coin that he introduced, which is different from the solidus introduced by Constantine. The coin was struck at a theoretical value of 1/72 of a Roman pound (about 4.5 grams). Solidi were wider and thinner than the aureus, with the exception of some dumpy issues from the Byzantine Empire. The weight and fineness of the solidus remained relatively constant throughout its long production, with few exceptions. Fractions of the solidus known as semissis (half-solidi) and tremissis (one-third solidi) were also produced. Emperor Diocletian. ... The ancient Roman units of measurement were built on the Greek system with Egyptian influences. ... The word soldier is ultimately derived from solidus, referring to the solidi with which soldiers were paid.

negative1 | 02-16-2010 02:03 AM
Re: 2100 years ago Wonderful collection you have! Mind if I join in the ancient porn fest? Here are two of my Lysimachus tetras... http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/33630L1H.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/33630Lysimachus_1.JPG http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/33630L2H.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/33630Lysimachus_2.JPG and two more in the raw... http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Lysimachus_3.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Muller_131.JPG :smile:

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Ragnarok | 02-16-2010 10:28 AM
Re: 2100 years ago A great big THANK YOU to HS and all of you for the fantastic history lesson! Someday far hence someone might post a hologram of a copper penny, silver dollar, ASE or AGE that survived the great US money experiment/debacle. R.

HistoryStudent | 02-16-2010 11:28 AM
Re: 2100 years ago SILVER was 99% of the commerce except for the GOLD paid to the soldiers. Those are the BIG silver coins. Beautiful. :23_30_104:

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