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Jasper | 04-06-2006 06:09 AM
Which is the best gold coin for your money? Which is the best gold coin for your money?

hoarder | 04-06-2006 10:50 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? I'm surprised so many here think Maples are better for your money than Krugerrands. The premium is about 7 bucks higher on Maples. When gold hits $1200, will the premium on Maples be $14 higher than the premium on K-rands?

Ash_Williams | 04-06-2006 11:22 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? The cheapest one.

Errol6429 | 04-06-2006 11:25 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? You can't beat pure 999.9999 gold.

Jasper | 04-06-2006 11:43 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarder I'm surprised so many here think Maples are better for your money than Krugerrands. The premium is about 7 bucks higher on Maples.
Maybe there's a good reason for the higher premium on Maples. And with gold currently at almost $600 who's worried about an extra 7 bucks? As for the Kruggerand, it can't be traded in some countries possibly because of its 'Apartheid' associations.

fasTTcar | 04-06-2006 12:17 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Just to be clear, the poll asks which one is better for your money. Everyone here is from different places and different premiums exist in different markets. With that in mind, I am assuming that they are all priced the same for this poll. And if that is true, give me all maples.

Buchan | 04-06-2006 01:00 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? If they're all priced the same, I'd change my vote to the Philharmoniker. Krugs are just plain boring, Maple Leafs scratch too easily, Gold Eagles are American, but Phils are simply beautiful.

GoldWampum | 04-06-2006 01:13 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by Ctesiphon If they're all priced the same, I'd change my vote to the Philharmoniker. Krugs are just plain boring, Maple Leafs scratch too easily, Gold Eagles are American, but Phils are simply beautiful.
Philharmonics are indeed fair to look upon. I think Krugs are the best bang for the buck when things get tight and premiums shrink. They are pre-shrunk.

NUTS! | 04-06-2006 02:45 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? I've bought a good half of my precious metals during day trips over the border into Canada and found out that you have to pay tax on anything that's not .999, so Krugs and Eagles are right out on the gold side of things in Canada or for those of us who occasionally buy in Canada during our business travels. I voted for maples. Other than gold bars, they're what I can get for closest to spot and I keep them safe where they won't get scratched.

mightyspuds | 04-06-2006 03:25 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Basic coin,of course its Kruger for value and salability I would think. Spuds:sheep:

G-khan | 04-06-2006 04:40 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? For Americans the Eagle could be the best - on eagles you do not have to pay taxes for any gains and you do on the others.. That is if you report your buys and sells... http://goldprice.org/buying-gold/200...free-gold.html

G-khan | 04-06-2006 04:43 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by Au_Ag I report everything - life's too short to have those kind of problems _grin_ Do you have any link or reference for the tax-exempt status of profits on American Gold Eagles?
http://goldprice.org/buying-gold/200...free-gold.html

rad | 04-06-2006 05:12 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? I like sovereigns for value and the Lunar dragons and snakes for looks.

aikitrader | 04-06-2006 05:31 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by rad I like sovereigns for value and the Lunar dragons and snakes for looks.
Hey...someone like me who thinks Australia puts out some of the best looking coins. :applause_

NUTS! | 04-06-2006 05:47 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by aikitrader Hey...someone like me who thinks Australia puts out some of the best looking coins. :applause_
They're spectacular. Right up there with the Panda.

Prometheus | 04-06-2006 05:56 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? I voted Krug with a Maple being a very close second.

Silver Sword | 04-06-2006 08:23 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Panda. It is super-pretty, I don't care about the premium (I don't count pennies), and the future might well belong to China. Will make Pandas super-recogniceable and desirable. For pure bang for buck obviously coins make little sense. Pamp Suisse bars are cheaper per ounce and very liquid. Otherwise just get the cheapest you can.

gunner | 04-06-2006 10:32 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Sword Panda. It is super-pretty, I don't care about the premium (I don't count pennies), and the future might well belong to China. Will make Pandas super-recogniceable and desirable. For pure bang for buck obviously coins make little sense. Pamp Suisse bars are cheaper per ounce and very liquid. Otherwise just get the cheapest you can.
Pamp Suisse bars come in their own protective case and are .999 pure - closest to spot/lowest premium In the poll, maples get my vote :clap2:

Pragmatist | 04-06-2006 10:43 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? IMO Best Buy: British Sovereigns= price, size, well know currency. Krugerands a close 2nd. Favorite Coin: U.S. 5$ Indian. Disapointment: Pandas, sorry they just didn't do much for me. Hopeful: New U.S. Indian Head/Buffalo .9999 I would buy Maples again before Eagles (unless the tax break is confirmed). 13's My Lucky Number Prag

Jasper | 04-07-2006 01:51 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? POLL: Thanks for the replies. Currently the Krugerrand is the clear leader with 19 out of 46 votes. Although the difference in purity in the coins listed - .9167, .917, .9999 - doesn't seem to count for much now in most people's thinking, what I'm wondering is whether or not it might become very significant if the price of gold really rockets, say, into the thousands. Doesn't the spot price of gold imply a certain purity level? :confused:

Prometheus | 04-07-2006 02:18 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasper POLL: what I'm wondering is whether or not it might become very significant if the price of gold really rockets, say, into the thousands. Doesn't the spot price of gold imply a certain purity level?
I thought it (spot) was for .999 comex bars. I think that the difference between .917 and .9999 will come into play more the higher gold prices go.

NUTS! | 04-07-2006 02:57 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? From my understanding the coins that are less than .999 still contain an ounce of gold, but also contain some other metal to make them stronger. I do find that somewhat attractive. While I don't handle my gold at all, I do see how if we did use gold as money again, we'd want it to actually change hands. Eages and Krugs woulds certainly be better to circulate than Maples, Pandas or Philharmonics. It really depends on what the buyer wants to do with the coin. If it's just for commerce, they likely would keep it as is. If they're going to melt it down, I assume there's a process for seperating out the alloy that might make the pure coins more desirable. It's really a tough call about how a future buying might react to different purities in all the various future possibilities. I'm going to stick with maples for now, but in the future I might move into a variety of coins. I think the premium isn't much of a big deal. While people talk about gold being at a 20+ year high, if you adjust for inflation, the January 1980 price would actually be about 2000, not 850. We're currently at about 335 in 1980s dollars. There's still a long way to go up for both gold and silver before we reach historic highs. All we're doing now is catching up with what the prices should have been had not the central banks of the western world sold so much.

Jasper | 04-07-2006 05:06 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by NUTS! From my understanding the coins that are less than .999 still contain an ounce of gold, but also contain some other metal to make them stronger.
So does this mean that Eagles and Krugerrands weigh more than Maples? I get the feeling that a .917 coin means that you are getting a mix of gold plus copper or whatever that totals 1 Troy oz in weight. In other words, that you are getting .083 less actual gold than with a .9999 coin. Has anyone actually checked this out?

Jasper | 04-07-2006 05:26 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by Prometheus I thought it (spot) was for .999 comex bars. I think that the difference between .917 and .9999 will come into play more the higher gold prices go.
Thanks. Me too. Current prices at NW Territorial Mint are: Krugerrand (.917) $607.60 Eagle (.9167) $622.60 Maple (.9999) $621.60 Vienna (.9999) $660.20 Not sure what to make of this except that the Krugerrand looks like the best buy right now.

lhslancers | 04-07-2006 05:45 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasper So does this mean that Eagles and Krugerrands weigh more than Maples? I get the feeling that a .917 coin means that you are getting a mix of gold plus copper or whatever that totals 1 Troy oz in weight. In other words, that you are getting .083 less actual gold than with a .9999 coin. Has anyone actually checked this out?
A one ounce gold coin has one ounce of Gold. The filler adds to the weight.

AuNuggets | 04-07-2006 08:45 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Krugerrands are still at the top of my holdings list in AU coins......easy to buy, sell, trade, and a good supply usually available. Even with the newer issues, Maples, Eagles, Phillies, etc., the Krugerrand is still the most widely held one ounce gold coin in the world and still considered the "universal currency" with no actual face value, but a floating "official" value pegged to the price of gold. Concerning alloyed coins, all one ounce gold coins contain precisely one ounce of gold, PLUS the added alloy. 90% gold coins weigh a total of 1.1111 troy ounces for those with one ounce of gold content, and 22 karat (.9167 fine such as the Krugerrand or Gold Eagles) weigh a total of 1.0909 ounces including their one ounce of gold PLUS the alloy. Krugerrands are alloyed only with pure copper, while the Eagles are alloyed with a combination of copper and silver, causing the difference in their respective colors. Pure gold, .999 or .9999, has a color mystique all it's own. The golden "glow" of pure cast gold bars makes most coins pale in comparison. But one of the reasons that so many jewelers and refiners really prefer Krugerrands is their low buy/sell spreads, availability at close to spot market prices, and the fact that removing only copper alloy from gold is a much more simple chemical process than removing both silver and copper by electrolysis. When only copper is involved, it's simply a matter of using one type of acid to remove the copper, leaving behind pure gold "sludge" to be melted back into fine gold if needed. But for the most part, gold coin "trade units", especially in one ounce increments, are best left in their coin form for trade purposes. Here is a repost of an earlier article I wrote on Krugerrands. Notice the prices mentioned........ :musicus: ----------------------- Krugerrands - Still the "Universal Money" Sitting at the computer late into the night over the past weekend, and catching up on the usual PM forums that I try to follow on a daily basis, I realized that I had been at this gold and silver game for alot of years. I remember my first 1964 Kennedy half dollar like it was yesterday, brought home to me by a friend of my mom's sometime in early '64. I also remember getting my "weekly allowance" in the form of standing liberty quarters or walking liberty halves, though the Washingtons and Franklins were the current production models at the time, helping to date myself a little more precisely. Those of us who have followed the metals since the re-legalization of private gold ownership in 1974 remember fondly the first Krugerrand coins to hit the markets, and the simplicity they provided in determining ounce-related holdings rather than having to go through the routine of adding, subtracting, and multiplying odd-sized fractional coins such as the Sovereigns and European ".1867 standard" pieces, Coronas, Pesos, and so on. The Krugerrands were really the first to employ the ounce standard as a way of putting gold bullion coin investment front and center. Here we are today, some 37 years after the introduction of the original Krugerrand, and even with the later introduction of other popular bullion issues such as the Maple Leaf and U.S. Gold Eagle, the Krugerrand remains to this day what is probably the most recognized "Universal Currency" in the form of a gold coin, much as the U.S. Dollar remains the most recognized paper currency counterpart. Few realize that the Krugerrand was originally issued as just that - a "Universal Currency", and thus the lack of any monetary "value" being placed on the coin itself, other than its gold content. In effect, the Krugerrand has a floating value based on the intrinsic value of the material it is composed of, and not the artificial decree (fiat) of some government. Anywhere you go in the world, you can exchange a gold Krugerrand for whatever happens to be the local currency at the time. Krugerrands, even after their U.S. "apartied ban" of the '80s, remain to this day as probably the most recognizable of all the ounce-standard gold bullion coins. Anyone who keeps up with valuations and market quotes on a timely basis realizes also that the Krugerrand remains as one of the best values in gold bullion coins. While the Canadian Maple Leaf, U.S. Gold Eagle, and other popular issues may command upward of $20-$25 premiums in this current escalating market, Krugerrands can generally still be bought on buy/sell spreads of less than $5 per coin, and in some cases, if you do some shopping around on both the buy and sell sides, you might even manage to cut those spreads by a couple of more dollars. One of the larger west coast dealers I normally do business with quotes Krugerrands at $5 over spot, while another mid-south dealer I frequently work with is paying $2.50 over spot, giving a $2.50 spread by using what I like to call the "dealer-kiting" process. I suppose there are some of us who buy those "prettier coins" due to a personal preferrence in design, making it easier to hold on to the coins that we like. Lord knows the Krugerrand is no artistic masterpiece. But maybe the willingness to buy "those ugly coins" has an advantage in other ways, perhaps making it easier for some of us to "let go" when the best time comes to sell or trade out of our position. The lower premium spread is no doubt another incentive, since for many of us, the most gold at the least cost is really our first objective. And as of now, the Krugerrand still provides some of those advantages while overall premiums seem to be rising on most all other bullion related gold. When all is said and done, premiums will matter little after a substantial rise in the market, but those few extra ounces of metal might. Personally, I would rather go to my dealer and walk out with 52 Krugerrands than 49 or 50 Eagles or Maple Leafs for the same money. The same carries over into the silver market as well. Junk 90% silver bags are currently selling at barely (3 or 4 cents) over spot in comparison to premiums of 40 cents to $1.75 or more on Silver Eagles, rounds, and fine bars. One dealer was recently unloading 40% silver half dollar bags at 20 cents UNDER silver spot. Again, a matter of getting the most value for your money. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Premiums have risen several dollars on Krugerrands since this was originally written, due to increased interest in the gold bullion markets. Nevertheless, Krugerrands still carry one of the lowest buy/sell spreads of any of the one ounce gold bullion coins.

Jasper | 04-07-2006 09:38 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Very helpful posts. Thanks. I guess now we know why the Krugerrand is leading the poll. Besides being a bargain in terms of its premium, it's not such a bad-looking coin as some seem to think.

californiajeff | 04-07-2006 11:40 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? I thin the Euro version of the Philharmonic is awesome but they are just too hard to get around here.

californiajeff | 04-07-2006 11:41 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? One more thing, you forgot to put Chinese Panda's in the poll. I know a few people that prefer them over anything else.

<SLV> | 04-07-2006 11:49 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Maples. Just in case I need to cross the northern border to escape anarchy.

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Infidel | 04-07-2006 12:33 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? SLV, if anarchy is here for some reason what makes you believe that it is going to be localazide to this one country here.

<SLV> | 04-07-2006 12:52 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by zhukher SLV, if anarchy is here for some reason what makes you believe that it is going to be localazide to this one country here.
1. Canada is largely rural and sparcely populated. 2. Can you honestly imagine Canadians becoming violent? At worst I think they might just whine.

rad | 04-07-2006 01:02 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasper Very helpful posts. Thanks. I guess now we know why the Krugerrand is leading the poll. Besides being a bargain in terms of its premium, it's not such a bad-looking coin as some seem to think.
The spring bok or whatever the antelope is called I like but I don't know - that Kruger dude is butt ugly I think.

Jasper | 04-07-2006 03:35 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by rad The spring bok or whatever the antelope is called I like but I don't know - that Kruger dude is butt ugly I think.
Maybe we need another poll - 'Which is the most beautiful gold coin?'

Deck Chair Boy | 04-07-2006 03:38 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? About Snakes. http://www.cmi-gold-silver.com/buy-g...ion-coins.html

Jasper | 04-07-2006 03:40 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by californiajeff One more thing, you forgot to put Chinese Panda's in the poll. I know a few people that prefer them over anything else.
The Panda never struck me as a serious bullion coin. Not sure why. Of course, it doesn't help that I've never seen one.

mightyspuds | 04-07-2006 03:46 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasper The Panda never struck me as a serious bullion coin. Not sure why. Of course, it doesn't help that I've never seen one.
That could be it.I really like Pandas,but the premium gets me down.But they are VERY nice coins. Spuds:sheep:

Jasper | 04-07-2006 03:51 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by Deck Chair Boy About Snakes. http://www.cmi-gold-silver.com/buy-g...ion-coins.html
Thanks. I've never seen the Snake coin before. It's interesting. Here's what CMI have to say: Featured Coins Perth Mint Gold Snakes should be investors' first choice. >> American Gold Eagles The most popular gold bullion coins in the U.S. >> Krugerrands Buy Krugerrands for gold bullion bargains. >> "Now, American Gold Eagles are the best selling coins in the United States. Krugerrands, although no longer marketed in the U.S., are the second most popular coins. Canadian Maple Leafs are a distant third because of problems with their design. Mexican 50 Pesos and Austrian 100 Coronas bring up the rear. Gold investors buying for the long term should take a close look at The Perth Mint's Lunar Series 1-oz gold coins, which are limited production. Gold Eagles, Krugerrands, and Gold Maples are unlimited production. . . ." http://www.cmi-gold-silver.com/buy-g...ion-coins.html

Jasper | 04-07-2006 04:10 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by mightyspuds That could be it.I really like Pandas,but the premium gets me down.But they are VERY nice coins. Spuds:sheep:
The premium: New! 2006 PANDA Bear In stock ! 1/4th oz. Gold Coin Contains a FOURTH of an ounce of pure 99.9% gold. Nice Proof-like Uncirculated condition China gold coin. About 22-23mm in diameter. $ 185.00 each http://lynncoins.com/PANDA_gold.htm Yes. I see what you mean. I think I'll be giving these a miss. I think with these Pandas and Snakes and so on you're starting to move away from bullion coins and getting more into numismatics. Best bang for the buck still seems to be the Krug.

RealityCheck | 04-15-2006 09:40 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? If gold eagles are tax free than silver eagles must be too right? And what about regular 90%? :confused:

RealityCheck | 04-15-2006 09:42 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Also contrary to that link, some states do charge sales tax for gold and silver coins.

HORSTWALTER | 04-21-2006 04:52 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Hi all, there is the same survey in Germany now. Which bullioncoin is the best? :confused: I am interested it the German, Austrian and Swiss preferences. :D Great nice forum HORSTWALTER

NUTS! | 04-21-2006 07:47 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by HORSTWALTER Hi all, there is the same survey in Germany now. Which bullioncoin is the best? :confused: I am interested it the German, Austrian and Swiss preferences. :D Great nice forum HORSTWALTER
I'm a fan of the Austrian 1 and 4 Ducats. Especially the 1915 postumous restrikes that were made in the 1920s and early 30s. They made tons of them, so they're easy to find in great condition, recognizable and often available at a very low premium for the lower size (the 1 ducat contains 11/100 of an ounce of gold and the 4, 44/100). They're 23.75k / .98958 For actual one ounce though, I still go for the maple.

Amber | 04-22-2006 01:10 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Are French 20 and Swiss Franc also good? They have lowest premium and were exempt from confiscation in 1933. Can anyone tell why they aren't preferred choice of gold bullion coin? Thanks.

NUTS! | 04-22-2006 04:40 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by Amber Are French 20 and Swiss Franc also good? They have lowest premium and were exempt from confiscation in 1933. Can anyone tell why they aren't preferred choice of gold bullion coin? Thanks.
Everyone I've ever seen was in horribly beat up condition. Lots of them were circulated and actually used during the 19th century-- depending on your locale, they might have a higher or lower premium. Some people don't care how scuffed or even scratched their gold is, but I sort of do. I'd rather have a coin in good shape than bad. I like the ducats because they were restruck as commemoratives and thus there are tons of them in perfect condition (the 1915 restrikes from the 1920s and 30s were never meant for circulation). And since they're restrikes, there's no numismatic premium. That being said, I'd grab a 20 Franc (Swiss of French) if I could find them at a good premium locally for uncirculated good condition coins. The 20 Franc coins have got to be some of the most "used as money" gold coins in the world. I'm sure there are some non damaged ones out there, but I haven't come across them yet. As for why they're currently not a bullion mainstay, my guess would be the simple fact that they don't come in ounce and fractional ounce quantities and they don't say their gold content on them. While I think anyone with an incllnation to do the tiniest bit of research can find out how much gold is in a 20 Franc coin, having the info struck right onto the coin is a nice feature. I'm often torn between European coins and fractional maples or krugs when getting smaller amounts. So far 90% of my gold is maples and 10% is European coins (no 20 Francs yet though).

sgflaherty | 04-22-2006 09:59 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? I like British Sovereigns, so I voted Other. I like the recognizability factor, and the small denomination (.2354 oz.) Plus, on my budget, it's a way to collect gold at a small premium. Let me ask you all this though - I was researching Mexican Gold coins, and it looks like the 50 Pesos is one of the best buys you can get for your money. They have 1.2057 ozs. of gold, and both APMEX and my local dealer sell them for about $10 over spot. They never seem to get much discussion though. Is there any reason why these coins are not favored, especially given their low premium (and their beauty?)

HORSTWALTER | 04-22-2006 10:54 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by sgflaherty They have 1.2057 ozs. of gold, and both APMEX and my local dealer sell them for about $10 over spot.
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Ragnarok | 04-22-2006 03:59 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Krugerrands - best clang for the buck. Ragnarok

sgflaherty | 04-22-2006 07:55 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
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I know APMEX does not send abroad, but the other dealer I mentioned is at www.williamyoungerman.com. He may or may not abroad - I don't know. I know his 50 pesos are $10 over spot, though. Good luck.

Jasper | 04-23-2006 05:21 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by HORSTWALTER Where to find him? <!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shapetype id="_x0000_t75" coordsize="21600,21600" o:spt="75" o:preferrelative="t" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" filled="f" stroked="f"> <v:stroke joinstyle="miter"/> <v:formulas> <v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"/> <v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"/> <v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"/> <v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"/> <v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"/> <v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"/> <v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"/> <v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"/> <v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"/> <v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"/> <v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"/> <v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"/> </v:formulas> <v:path o:extrusionok="f" gradientshapeok="t" o:connecttype="rect"/> <o:lock v:ext="edit" aspectratio="t"/> </v:shapetype><v:shape id="_x0000_i1025" type="#_x0000_t75" alt="" style='width:16.5pt; height:21.75pt'> <v:imagedata src="file:///C:\DOKUME~1\Reymann\LOKALE~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip _image001.gif" o:href="http://goldismoney.info/forums/images/smilies/love.gif"/> </v:shape><![endif]--><!--[if !vml]-->:love:<!--[endif]--> Our premium in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Germany</st1:place></st1:country-region> is much higher... It seems as if the voters from www.goldseiten-forum.de are much more interested in coins like Lunar (<st1:country-region w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region>) or Panda (<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region>) than you. Interesting for the next voting I will ask for more different coins perhaps you do it also <!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shape id="_x0000_i1026" type="#_x0000_t75" alt="" style='width:12pt;height:12pt'> <v:imagedata src="file:///C:\DOKUME~1\Reymann\LOKALE~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip _image002.gif" o:href="http://goldismoney.info/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif"/> </v:shape><![endif]--><!--[if !vml]-->:wink:<!--[endif]-->
Americans, although they don't seem to either realize or appreciate it, live in a shopper's paradise. There is a staggering variety of bullion and coins available to them, premiums are incredibly low compared to other countries, and in many states there is no sales tax on PMs. Foreigners, on the other hand, can be faced with a very limited choice of PMs, much higher premiums, and very high taxes. I know of one country where the premium is 11% over spot plus an additional 5% sales tax on the total amount, and I think the sales tax on PMs in the UK is an incredible 15%. That's why I only listed the basic bullion coins which are probably available almost everywhere, although even there I know of at least one country where Kruggerands still cannot be traded.

Jasper | 04-23-2006 11:13 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? A bit more on Pandas. I mentioned in an earlier post that I hadn't included Pandas because, despite their popularity, I felt that their high premiums disqualified them as a bullion coin. But now there's another reason for being wary of Pandas as some of them are turning out to be fakes: http://goldismoney.info/forums/showt...ighlight=panda So far only fake silver Pandas have been found, but given the current price of gold it may not be long before fake golds turn up... :frown:

AuNuggets | 04-23-2006 11:21 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote: Originally Posted by Amber ......."Are French 20 and Swiss Franc also good? They have lowest premium and were exempt from confiscation in 1933. Can anyone tell why they aren't preferred choice of gold bullion coin? Thanks"......... Here is something to consider, and something that totally blows the so-called "pre 1933 exemption" arguement out of the water. Less than ethical gold coin dealers have been using this arguement for years in order to sell much higher premium "antique" or "collector" coins, when in fact, if our U.S. government, or any other government for that matter, decides again to confiscate gold, there is absolutely NOTHING preventing them from changing any real or imagined "rules" at any time they deem necessary. They make the rules, they can change the rules. Typical government function. Now, about that "pre-1933 exemption" we always hear about........ If all pre-1933 gold coins were exempt from confiscation in 1933, then WHAT DID THEY CONFISCATE ? Wouldn't it make sense that ALL GOLD COINS in 1933 were "pre-1933" issues ? In reality, these coins were not exempt, whether foreign or U.S. issues. And in reality, they are not "rare or unusual" collectibles for the most part, again whether U.S or foreign issues. Liberty $10 and $20 "original" gold eagles and double eagles of the U.S. are readily available in massive quantities both here in the U.S. and in many European countries. Swiss and French francs and British sovereigns are even more available in quantities, and many of the later were so heavily counterfeited through the years that it is difficult to know if you are getting the real thing or not. Most fakes contain the correct weight in gold alloy, so it is not a simple matter of weighing and measuring these to determine if they are genuine. These coins were counterfeited, not for the reduction in gold content, but for the PREMIUM that they demanded at one time over the spot gold price. These three European gold coins are in fact some of the most common gold coins in existance. Regardless of what some "coin hawking" dealerships may tell you, the only advantages to holding these coins are....... 1. They offer the purchaser smaller units of gold that can be used in an eventual barter society, if and when the proverbial schit hits the fan and the dollar/euro/_______(fill in the blank) becomes worthless. It might be hard to receive "change" from a Krugerrand. 2. They provide the DEALER with a much higher markup than they can expect from ounce-related modern bullion issues because of the highly HYPED "collectible" or "pre-'33 exemption" status, which may or may not be the truth. As Nuts mentioned, their "odd" gold content is another problem in these types of coins, since the general public has problems "doing the math" to quickly determine their gold content value as opposed to a full ounce Krugerrand, Eagle, Maple Leaf, Philharmonic, etc. "Ounce relationship" was the original intention of the Krugerrand issues, and the reason for it's immense popularity, as well as the reasoning behind later issues of the U.S., Canada, Austria, Mexico, and other countries who wanted to ride that popularity coattail with their own bullion gold coins. It is just as simple as knowing the current spot price to know the gold content value of any one ounce gold coin.......no guessing, estimating, or calculators needed.

Eldorado | 04-25-2006 05:15 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by HORSTWALTER Where to find him? <!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shapetype id="_x0000_t75" coordsize="21600,21600" o:spt="75" o:preferrelative="t" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" filled="f" stroked="f"> <v:stroke joinstyle="miter"/> <v:formulas> <v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"/> <v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"/> <v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"/> <v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"/> <v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"/> <v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"/> <v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"/> <v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"/> <v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"/> <v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"/> <v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"/> <v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"/> </v:formulas> <v:path o:extrusionok="f" gradientshapeok="t" o:connecttype="rect"/> <o:lock v:ext="edit" aspectratio="t"/> </v:shapetype><v:shape id="_x0000_i1025" type="#_x0000_t75" alt="" style='width:16.5pt; height:21.75pt'> <v:imagedata src="file:///C:\DOKUME~1\Reymann\LOKALE~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip _image001.gif" o:href="http://goldismoney.info/forums/images/smilies/love.gif"/> </v:shape><![endif]--><!--[if !vml]-->:love:<!--[endif]--> Our premium in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Germany</st1:place></st1:country-region> is much higher... It seems as if the voters from www.goldseiten-forum.de are much more interested in coins like Lunar (<st1:country-region w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region>) or Panda (<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region>) than you. Interesting for the next voting I will ask for more different coins perhaps you do it also <!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shape id="_x0000_i1026" type="#_x0000_t75" alt="" style='width:12pt;height:12pt'> <v:imagedata src="file:///C:\DOKUME~1\Reymann\LOKALE~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip _image002.gif" o:href="http://goldismoney.info/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif"/> </v:shape><![endif]--><!--[if !vml]-->:wink:<!--[endif]--> Nice weekend HORSTWALTER<o:p></o:p>
Hi Horst, I live close to the German border, do you know of any dealers in West Germany? A good place to buy bullion is in Brussels (www.munters.be), you buy the bullion with cash, no questions asked, low premiums, and you get a receipt.

telco_syd | 04-30-2006 03:42 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? as an australian on this forum I have to say I am amazed the Aussie Kangaroos are not up for voting. Much goes on about the lunar series from the Perth mint - the reality is it is quite easy to get any date of 1 ounce gold (normal unc business strike) in Sydney of the lunar series. I like the kangaroo nugget series - the designs change each year and they are 9999 bullion. I cannot believe how much ppl are willing to pay for them on ebay - if only I knew a good way to ship them out from Australia !! Even better value are the larger kangaroo coins - 2oz, 10oz I can get for approx $4-$5 less per ounce than the 1oz coins. And if you have the money - the 1 kilo ones seem to go for abour $9-$11 per ounce lower than the one ounce, (over 32.15 ounces the savings can add up). It's great in the sense you can pick it up and not pay shipping - The only annoying thing I find here is that the shops buy them back at much worse rates than say american wesbsites. I'd love to be able to flog them on ebay but the fact is after ebay fees, paypal fees and shipping from australia - alot of the margin gets eroded.

panocrat | 05-24-2006 08:01 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? been wondering about this myself since reading that, in 1979, bullion vrenelis attracted a 60% premium over their gold content. thus far i've bought krugers as best bang 4 clang, as ragnarok put it, and then sovereigns as being easier to sell for smaller quantities and potentially slightly collectable, too. i've read that uncirculated sovereigns certainly go at collector premiums - there's a good website, www.goldsovereigns.co.uk, if these coins interest you. agreed that those of you in the US are lucky when it comes to buying coins, you have a huge range of dealers. i don't pay VAT on gold in the UK (since 2000), but there are entirely 4 shops that will sell me gold bullion coins. silver, none, basically, because then you do pay 17.5% VAT. ebay is your only option then.

aikitrader | 05-24-2006 03:46 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? I think the best gold to re-paraphrase Ponce would be: The best form of gold is in my hands, otherwise I don't own it.

The Argent Dragon | 05-24-2006 04:46 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
And in reality, they are not "rare or unusual" collectibles for the most part, again whether U.S or foreign issues. Liberty $10 and $20 "original" gold eagles and double eagles of the U.S. are readily available in massive quantities both here in the U.S.
Can you elaborate on "massive" quantities ?!? The higher the 'grade' the more rare the Liberty $10 and $20 coins become. Sure you can find a few dozen available at about 10% over spot in circulated condition if you're not picky about the years. However, on year to year comparisson, the 'original' Eagles as you put it are about 3 times more rare than modern $25 & $50 gold coins (for most dates). Of course some modern ones like 1998 & 1999 are not even close to being semi-rare at 1.5 million made. Personally, I'm a biased coin collector who like 'old' things. Date from the 1800's really peak my interest.......however, you just can't go wrong on the St. Gauden's Double Eagle which will always be more popular then the modern $50 pieces.........JMVHO

undiscern | 05-26-2006 02:17 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by telco_syd as an australian on this forum I have to say I am amazed the Aussie Kangaroos are not up for voting...
Yes, I agree! Yesterday was the very first time i see the nugget PHYSICALLY! Oh my! its so beautiful! Mix of matt and smooth surface! Face value AU$100! better than Maple gold which i used to prefer! See below (the 'black' portion is actually the shiny gloss yellow gold surface which scanners can't pick up):http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/8...dnugget1ky.jpg

GREENSILVERHORN | 05-26-2006 03:23 AM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Anything that .9999 is fine by me. But I'll hand it to the maple out of the selection given as it is the finer minting in my opinion.

HistoryStudent | 06-07-2006 05:51 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? If you handle them at any time one is stuck with the Krug or Eagle. If they are encapsalated well then pure gold is great. Otherwise, I really like stuff mankind can't screw up that easy. That said, many of my Maples have been scratched and I got them at spot back four years ago. I'd sell them for spot tomorrow when the price hits $2000 to $4000 depending how fast I'll be able to move.

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HistoryStudent | 06-07-2006 05:53 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent If you handle them at any time one is stuck with the Krug or Eagle. If they are encapsalated well then pure gold is great. Otherwise, I really like stuff mankind can't screw up that easy. That said, many of my Maples have been scratched and I got them at spot back four years ago. I'd sell them for spot tomorrow when the price hits $2000 to $4000 depending how fast I'll be able to move.
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GREENSILVERHORN | 06-07-2006 06:24 PM
Re: Which is the best gold coin for your money? I can appreciate a krug. but the dealer I deal with doesn't have the same feelings. I've been getting into the smaller 1/4oz. coins lately and haven't seen many krugs. that way, if I did I would buy.

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