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momopanda | 07-15-2008 04:31 PM
Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting http://coins.about.com/od/worldcoins...in-Minting.htm

budfox | 07-15-2008 04:48 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting This is a great post. I knew it was going on but not to that extent. I was accused of selling a fake Morgan on ebay once. It was a 1929. Why bother faking a 29? After viewing this I will not buy bags of Morgans and Peace again. I have some Morgans now I think are suspect but I don't really know.

Twisted Avatar | 07-15-2008 04:57 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting DAM............ that alone would keep me off ebay. T

momopanda | 07-15-2008 05:10 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting Sad. I always believed that collecting was sound investing as well. These guys are ruining the entire market, and the full effects will not be felt for years to come. I recently dumped a bunch of Morgans and some opther stuff for this very reason. And I've been waiting for the Olympics to begin in Beijing so I can start unloading all my Pandas. I'm hoping the games may add a little China hype to the value of the coins. W'ell see. Probably keep a few early year proofs I guess.

xinkid | 07-15-2008 05:30 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting pandas are getting harder and harder to fake. The level of detail is getting quite staggering.

Gold 420 | 07-15-2008 05:30 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting Oh man oh man... nice post. Right, staying clear off ebay. :no_ma:

Baldwin | 07-15-2008 08:26 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting Quote:
Originally Posted by xinkid (Post 1194249) pandas are getting harder and harder to fake. The level of detail is getting quite staggering.
Every year, you can see the skill of the Chinese mint grow.

SilverKestrel | 07-15-2008 09:00 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting Very interesting - thanks for the post. Another good case of "caveat emptor" - let the buyer beware. On a lighter note, our American women have some fakes of their own that even the Chinese are unlikely to match in quality and quantity anytime soon.:wink:

SilverKestrel | 07-15-2008 09:04 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting Very interesting - thanks for the post. Another good case of "caveat emptor" - let the buyer beware. I have often wondered if the lines on a Maple Leaf (the tiny lines on the flats, said to be left by the CNC process when forming the dies) is an anticounterfeit device, acting like a sort of bar code in the background of the coins. Any thoughts? On a lighter note, our American women have some fakes of their own that even the Chinese are unlikely to match in quality and quantity anytime soon.:wink:

Texan | 07-15-2008 10:55 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting Thanks for this very interesting post that all should see. What a bunch of jerks those counterfeiters are. :thumpdown

Baldwin | 07-15-2008 10:59 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverKestrel (Post 1194591) Very interesting - thanks for the post. Another good case of "caveat emptor" - let the buyer beware. I have often wondered if the lines on a Maple Leaf (the tiny lines on the flats, said to be left by the CNC process when forming the dies) is an anticounterfeit device, acting like a sort of bar code in the background of the coins. Any thoughts? On a lighter note, our American women have some fakes of their own that even the Chinese are unlikely to match in quality and quantity anytime soon.:wink:
I've also wondered about those lines on the maple leaf. It almost looks like a thin, tall cylinder of gold (like a pencil or sausage) was made, then cut into "slices" with a knife. I noticed that my Chinese gold coins bought from APMEX have almost radial lines. The maple leaf lines run from left to right. The Chinese panda lines run from the center towards the rim...as if the coin was hand-struck by Romans.

Kingdombuilder | 07-16-2008 10:20 AM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting Thanks for posting!

mshen11 | 07-16-2008 10:48 AM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting anyone seen/heard of any ASE fakes? what about ASE proofs? or are they too little profit ($100) to fake

Camp Bassfish | 07-16-2008 02:56 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting Quote:
Originally Posted by budfox (Post 1194168) This is a great post. I knew it was going on but not to that extent. I was accused of selling a fake Morgan on ebay once. It was a 1929. Why bother faking a 29? After viewing this I will not buy bags of Morgans and Peace again. I have some Morgans now I think are suspect but I don't really know.
Was there a 1929 Morgan??

Drumblebum | 07-16-2008 03:15 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting Quote:
Originally Posted by Camp Bassfish (Post 1195732) Was there a 1929 Morgan??
I'd have to look... but damn, I think 1929 was a peace dollar??? I have a few Morgans bought at a local coin shop, as well as several peace dollars. Only thing that makes me a little suspicious is that the dealer makes occasional trips to Hong Kong and ....:shocked_ma: CHINA! My peace dollars do seem a little "nickelish"... HMMMM.... Anybody know what the metal they're using is if it ain't silver? After reading that I'm just depressed.

RealJack | 07-16-2008 03:48 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting Quote:
Originally Posted by budfox (Post 1194168) This is a great post. I knew it was going on but not to that extent. I was accused of selling a fake Morgan on ebay once. It was a 1929. Why bother faking a 29? After viewing this I will not buy bags of Morgans and Peace again. I have some Morgans now I think are suspect but I don't really know.
Yeah, kind of hard to fake something that never existed. You must mean a 29 Peace dollar.

jaysie | 07-16-2008 08:00 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting Without damaging the coin, how can you tell a fake morgan from a real one?

Twisted Avatar | 07-16-2008 08:11 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysie (Post 1196179) Without damaging the coin, how can you tell a fake morgan from a real one?
PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING! All 90% has a melodious tone......the ping is more pleasing on 90% than 999 fine silver SAE(strange but it is what it is ) Are there other metals that can mimic this? Sure........ but it not worth the trouble or the cost to fabricate. T

Txkstew | 07-18-2008 02:42 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting Wish I'd have seen this story yesterday. I just ordered 10 BU Peace Dollars this morning from Coast to Coast. Any ideas on how to check for counterfeits? oh yeah, ping

Drumblebum | 07-18-2008 04:11 PM
Re: Interesting story/slideshow on Chinese counterfeiting Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1196194) All 90% has a melodious tone......the ping is more pleasing on 90% than 999 fine silver SAE(strange but it is what it is ) Are there other metals that can mimic this? Sure........ but it not worth the trouble or the cost to fabricate. T
I have a mid 70's 50 peso coin that when I initially tapped it thought it was FOR SURE silver... what a nice ring to it! Alas, looked it up to find that pesos haven't been made of silver for quite a long time. Only cupro-nickel, and I believe, aluminum. Mine are nickel. Sound nice though, so don't be fooled.

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