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RaccoonRiverRadical | 11-03-2009 10:26 PM
Monster box gone missing via UPS. Tracking is reporting it delivered without signature. I called and spoke with a UPS agent and he said, yes, indeed the package is reported as delivered to my address as of last night. He told me to contact the sender and then he said, "Have a good night!" I left a message with APMEX and will talk with them in person tomorrow during business hours. I'll report exactly how this unfolds.

CDUBS | 11-03-2009 10:30 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Doesn't Apmex ship sig required?

RaccoonRiverRadical | 11-03-2009 10:42 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by CDUBS (Post 2006556) Doesn't Apmex ship sig required?
Yes absolutely. I have some thoughts on all this of course but I'm holding off until tomorrow. There is one thing mainly that I am worried about.

WAoG | 11-03-2009 10:49 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen This is a big time crime. If this box is stolen, as it appears, now all kinds of people are going to know your business. This $ucks and more crime could be coming your way? This is like a bank robbery and it could make the local papers. Protect yourself.

csrobbins | 11-03-2009 10:54 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen I apologize I hope you get them back, I bet your balls got sucked right up into your stomach the second you found this out. Im amazed you seem so calm. I would be jumping up and down pouting and crying and calling these companies non stop demanding someone tell me what I want to hear and yelling my head off, You will probally be ok someone will figure this one out.

RaccoonRiverRadical | 11-03-2009 11:02 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen This is totally ridiculous. My neighbors just brought it to me. God Damned UPS let them sign for it.

6L6 | 11-03-2009 11:04 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Well... After our skirmish in the "Seattle" thread, can you blame me for swiping it??? :elefant: Seriously though, I hope it all works out okay. :s9: :coolbeer:

1981 | 11-03-2009 11:10 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Next time, in the special instructions box, I would ask Apmex to send it restricted delivery. Or better yet, isn't there an option to force you to come to the PO and pick it up? I would not want a monster box or similar large purchase riding around on some guys postal truck waiting to be left on my front porch. Last week my postal guy signed his own name to my package and left it. I guess he took the "signature required" sticker too literally.

mamboni | 11-03-2009 11:12 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by RaccoonRiverRadical (Post 2006607) This is totally ridiculous. My neighbors just brought it to me. God Damned UPS let them sign for it.
Hey man! You got the goods back - be thankful to the fates and count your blessings. Besides, serves you right doing business with UPS, the lowest of the low, all ex-cons and tatooed scalliwags the subcontractors are (I may be engaging in slight hyperbole here to drive home the point). Considering that "OOPS" delivered it, I'm surprised it is in one piece. Better yet, you'd better open that green box and make certain it contains 500 SAEs and not a couple of bricks.:15_1_70v:

RaccoonRiverRadical | 11-03-2009 11:13 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen 1981, yeah I probably will do it differently next time. All I can say is: whew!

Willie Peter | 11-03-2009 11:13 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen The UPS guy just didn't want to be bothered with re-delivering it tomorrow...:36_1_30:

Drumblebum | 11-03-2009 11:17 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Glad you got your goods, bro. I would have flipped the fk OUT!!! Too bad you may have to neutralize your neighbors now....:biggrin: I am SOOOO kidding!!

1981 | 11-03-2009 11:27 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Yeah, they'd still be picking me up off the floor. Glad you got it back. Too bad you have to kill your neighbor now. :36_1_25:

Apocalypto | 11-03-2009 11:31 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen I'm glad you got it, bro. Everything is cool. No one has a clue what's in it but you and us. Stay cool.

Mike C | 11-03-2009 11:40 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by WAoG (Post 2006588) This is a big time crime. If this box is stolen, as it appears, now all kinds of people are going to know your business. This $ucks and more crime could be coming your way? This is like a bank robbery and it could make the local papers. Protect yourself.
Are you serious? It's hard to read sarcasm on the internet, but I hope it was. Or I guess it's possible that you live in a very small city and are oblivious to what's going on in the world.

AGRO | 11-04-2009 12:18 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Yes, thanks, for good nieghbors. Ha, even if they opened it they probably would have thought it was a bunch of "oversized" quarters! Signing, should require ID check. BTW, yes, I believe one is serious. Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike C (Post 2006664) Are you serious? It's hard to read sarcasm on the internet, but I hope it was. Or I guess it's possible that you live in a very small city and are oblivious to what's going on in the world.

Rockbrother | 11-04-2009 12:26 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen I like happy endings :applause_ To bad for the neighbors... :10_1_20:

BeefJerky | 11-04-2009 12:31 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Just in case anyone is wondering what would have happened. I had a delivery from APMEX years ago that was supposedly delivered w/o signature. UPS did an investigation, the UPS driver was literally fired, and APMEX made good and resent my order. The process took about 3 weeks. I understand it is rare to happen, APMEX told me it had never happened before. APMEX has a private insurer from what I understand and I think that insurer goes after UPS. Not sure though. All I know is that it was a painless process and APMEX was great about it.:ok:

Rebel Yarr | 11-04-2009 12:55 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Mine always comes USPS and sig/ID when I pick it up.

Fullpower | 11-04-2009 01:28 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Glad you received your freight. As far as the neighbors, and the delivery driver are concerned, it's just a box, another parcel to be delivered. They don't know, and rightly DON"T CARE, unless YOU tell them, what is ,or was, in the box. I have delivered scores of thousands of parcels for UPS, DHL, Airborne Express, Fedex, and a few other minor regional carriers... Believe me, the driver doesnt CARE what is in your box. We just want to make all the deliveries on the truck each day, and hope not to back over some kid on roller skates.

specsaregood | 11-04-2009 01:39 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by Rebel Yarr (Post 2006762) Mine always comes USPS and sig/ID when I pick it up.
Yeah, I'm wondering if everybody here saying UPS actually means USPS? I would be more hesitant to buy if they used UPS, too many package delivery failures with them -- although their online web service tools are the absolute best of all the different service providers.

BeefJerky | 11-04-2009 02:08 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen No, it was UPS. They might have stopped using them now though.

Firenhole | 11-04-2009 02:43 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen UPS let my neighbor sign/hold a pkg but he also left a tag stating so on my door. :ok:

Traderbock | 11-04-2009 05:23 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen While I understand UPS' dilemma, just delivering to your neighbors, I think I find that unprofessional. Is your neighbor Floyd Lawson and was your live in aunt at the beauty shop gossiping with the girls? Maybe you can ask Andy and Barney if they saw your box. As much as I'd like to live in that world, most of us don't. UPS has done that to us several times. Seems kind of folksy.

Dont-Tread-On.Me | 11-04-2009 05:32 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by RaccoonRiverRadical (Post 2006546) Tracking is reporting it delivered without signature. I called and spoke with a UPS agent and he said, yes, indeed the package is reported as delivered to my address as of last night. He told me to contact the sender and then he said, "Have a good night!" I left a message with APMEX and will talk with them in person tomorrow during business hours. I'll report exactly how this unfolds.
This is a major reason why I bet the house in 2005... Sheeple now are waking up to the value PMs... And if you don't hold it well...

helopilot | 11-04-2009 06:51 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Does everyone open their monster boxes? Is there any added value to a still sealed mint box?

OutlawJoseyWalesJr | 11-04-2009 07:10 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by RaccoonRiverRadical (Post 2006607) This is totally ridiculous. My neighbors just brought it to me. God Damned UPS let them sign for it.
Something is very wrong with UPS if they let your neighbors sign for something that valuable. That is crazy. It would seem to me that if you were not there to sign for it, then they would have to leave a yellow and brown UPS note saying that they delivered and that you would have to sign that UPS notice and go to the UPS "office" to pick it up. Maybe I am wrong on that because I have not ordered anything from APMEX for over a year. I am very happy that you got your monster box and this had a happy ending to it.

47Protons | 11-04-2009 07:23 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by Traderbock (Post 2006921) While I understand UPS' dilemma, just delivering to your neighbors, I think I find that unprofessional. Is your neighbor Floyd Lawson and was your live in aunt at the beauty shop gossiping with the girls? Maybe you can ask Andy and Barney if they saw your box. As much as I'd like to live in that world, most of us don't. UPS has done that to us several times. Seems kind of folksy.
UPS seems to adjust their policy depending on the town and neighborhood. In places with a history of packages going missing, drivers aren't allowed to leave stuff on the front porch or with a neighbor. Sometimes they won't even do it if you sign a delivery release and stick it on your door. In other places, packages are left with a neighbor and it's not a problem. An experienced driver knows his area and does the right thing 99% of the time. The local office knows which areas are "bad". But a "signature required" package should still have a signature if it's left at an alternate location. And the driver should be taking the time to record the name and address correctly.

47Protons | 11-04-2009 07:53 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by OutlawJoseyWalesJr (Post 2006992) Something is very wrong with UPS if they let your neighbors sign for something that valuable. That is crazy.
But the driver DOESN'T KNOW how valuable it is. It could have been a $75 boom-box for all he knows. If the driver delivered to the neighbor, AND got the neighbor's signature, AND entered the name and address in his log (which shows up on the web very quickly), it was probably reasonable. But the original report seemed to be "delivered without signature", which left the buyer with NO IDEA what happened to the package. The delivery services need some flexibility in delivery, because the vast majority of their packages are low-value consumer-grade "stuff". The "stuff" doesn't justify the high cost they'd have to charge for a completely trackable shipping system. When a package gets lost, the shipper and the delivery service usually share the pain. That works ok because it keeps the overall cost of the system pretty low. The relatively uncommon packages that ARE really valuable are hidden among all the junk. If they put a big, bright sticker on it saying "VALUABLE PACKAGE, DON'T LEAVE WITH NEIGHBOR", it would be a theft target the whole time it was in transit. They wouldn't be able to mix it in with the regular freight. It would need special handling the whole way, and the shipping cost would be MUCH higher. (See registered mail, for example.) APMEX ships LOTS of $10,000 packages. They know a small percentage will go missing and they may have to eat the loss (or pay an insurance company to eat it). They also know that shipping all of them by registered mail (or similar premium service) would likely cost a lot more than the the losses in regular shipping. If this package had really been delivered to a random location with NO SIGNATURE, UPS would have been liable. I think the main risk to the buyer in this case was the worry, hassle, and wasted time. The chance of the buyer actually losing the $$$ value of the monster box seems remote. He has proof of payment. APMEX does NOT have proof of delivery. It would get sorted out eventually. If "eventually" is too long, if you can't stand the possibility of wasted time and delay, mail-order purchases might be the wrong way to go.

GoldandCountry | 11-04-2009 08:05 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen When you order from APMEX you can request USPS or UPS but I am not sure they will fulfill your request. I think they ship based on weight and size with whichever carrier they choose.

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philobeddoe | 11-04-2009 08:10 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by RaccoonRiverRadical (Post 2006607) This is totally ridiculous. My neighbors just brought it to me. God Damned UPS let them sign for it.
Thats funny. UPS tried to deliver me the neighbors armchair last week.

philobeddoe | 11-04-2009 08:13 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by 47Protons (Post 2007034) But the driver DOESN'T KNOW how valuable it is. It could have been a $75 boom-box for all he knows.
A 35 pound boombox?

GoldBuyer123 | 11-04-2009 08:13 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by RaccoonRiverRadical (Post 2006607) This is totally ridiculous. My neighbors just brought it to me. God Damned UPS let them sign for it.
How fortunate. I've had UPS guys actually once leave a Monster box sitting on my doorstep.

Drumblebum | 11-04-2009 09:34 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by helopilot (Post 2006972) Does everyone open their monster boxes? Is there any added value to a still sealed mint box?
I've never opened mine... If it's full of SAE's then I don't need to open it. If it's not, I don't want to know.

madfranks | 11-04-2009 10:27 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by WAoG (Post 2006588) This is a big time crime. If this box is stolen, as it appears, now all kinds of people are going to know your business. This $ucks and more crime could be coming your way? This is like a bank robbery and it could make the local papers. Protect yourself.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike C (Post 2006664) Are you serious? It's hard to read sarcasm on the internet, but I hope it was. Or I guess it's possible that you live in a very small city and are oblivious to what's going on in the world.
Yes, very serious. A theft of this magnitude is a felony and you'll do hard prison time if convicted. And you don't think it's serious if a group of gangbangers stole a monster box and now they think there's more where that came from? Dude, my wife and I had to literally move to a new house after we had a Mexican scumbag steal some of our gold because we knew that if they wanted more they knew where to come! I have two kids and protecting yourself is the best advice you can get after something like this happens. Now in this case, thank God it was a misunderstanding between the neighbors and UPS, if it had indeed turned out to be felony theft by hoodlums, Raccoon could have been in big trouble.

Twisted Avatar | 11-04-2009 10:49 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by helopilot (Post 2006972) Does everyone open their monster boxes? Is there any added value to a still sealed mint box?
No premium. But if you ever sell it private party. Get your cash in hand first then. MAKE SURE THE BUYER OPENS IT UP IN FRONT OF YOU AND INSPECTS IT. No worries about you sold me a "box of lead donuts" three days later. Gotta adjust your thinking The Wild West is making a comeback in the near future. T

APMEX | 11-04-2009 11:00 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen I am aware of this thread and will see what can be done about this in the future. I am glad it turned out good in the end and thank goodness for the honest people left in the world..... I will report back when I have new info... In the mean time, if you don't want your packages shipped via UPS, please put notes in the special instructions box that you prefer another method such as Registered Mail. We try and ship most packages via Registered or Express mail anyway. I am sorry for the temporary concern this caused...

Professur | 11-04-2009 11:09 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by Fullpower (Post 2006803) Glad you received your freight. As far as the neighbors, and the delivery driver are concerned, it's just a box, another parcel to be delivered. They don't know, and rightly DON"T CARE, unless YOU tell them, what is ,or was, in the box. I have delivered scores of thousands of parcels for UPS, DHL, Airborne Express, Fedex, and a few other minor regional carriers... Believe me, the driver doesnt CARE what is in your box. We just want to make all the deliveries on the truck each day, and hope not to back over some kid on roller skates.
I'm on very good terms with our Purolator driver. He'd dispute this. Only last week, we was relating to me that yet another driver was under investigation.

mamboni | 11-04-2009 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Drumblebum (Post 2007185) I've never opened mine... If it's full of SAE's then I don't need to open it. If it's not, I don't want to know.
Nah, the OP shouldn't open that box! Imagine the anticipation and excitement of opening the box a few years from now when silver eagles are selling for $175 each (OP: "We're rich honey! Aren't you glad I bought those silver eagles instead of the trip to Hawaii?!"). The OP cracks a bottle of bubbly with wifey as they cut the tape with tingly hands and open that green monster for the first time!!!:23_30_104::36_3_13::23_30_104:

GoldWampum | 11-04-2009 11:46 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Several years ago I had UPS do two different things with packages of silver that required signature. The first time they took it back to the dist. center and left a note. I drove half an hour and picked it up. That was fine with me. The second time, I came home knowing that the tracking said it was delivered... I was already pissed that they didn't leave a note and take it back. When I got home it was nowhere to be found. Then my next door neighbor saw that I was home and came over. The imbecile driver had just left it on the doorstep. The neighbor saw it and hid it in my BBQ on the back porch. That neighbor by the way was as honest as they come and a real pleasure to have as a neighbor. He never even asked what it was. It was 200 ounces. It wasn't an APMEX deal though, it was CNI. Either way it isn't their fault that the drivers are idiots. That's on UPS. I called UPS and read them the riot act.

harper | 11-04-2009 11:52 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen has anyone weighed the monster box? is there a listed exact weight?

MorganTheGoat | 11-04-2009 11:57 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen I bought a MoBo from Apmex maybe 2 years ago and it was delivered by UPS (because of the weight). I was home. UPS just left it on my stoop. No knock, no signature request. I opened the door and he was pulling away...

mamboni | 11-04-2009 12:06 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by harper (Post 2007397) has anyone weighed the monster box? is there a listed exact weight?
It weights about 44.272830382 lbs, IIRC.:bear_rolleyes:

Steel Blue | 11-04-2009 12:09 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Ummm, Your Honor, I did the neighbor a favor and signed for a package because he wasn't home. After totting this damn heavy box around my medical and pain and suffering bills come to around $10,250:beer:

WillieTheKid | 11-04-2009 12:29 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Since we are on this thread, does anyone know just what the policies of the various shippers are. Obviously APMEX has this down and has an insurer and they stand by their deliverys. It used to be that FedEx, UPS, etc. would leave a note on my door for 3 days and I had to be there on one of those days or write other delivery instructions like "I'll pick it up at the dispatch center," or "Please leave it with my neighbor to the west, they'll be home." About 4-8 years ago they just started just leaving the stuff. I asked the UPS driver what was up, and he said that the policies had changed. After he delivered $3K worth of billiard parts and left them in front of my office door (for 4 days), I told him he needed to stop doing that unless he wanted to pay for the stolen stuff. I don't deal in MoBo's or whatever they are called yet, but I was dismayed when both a proof set and my Lincoln Coins & Chronicles set were left on my front porch, one of them where it could be rained on. It had gone through FedEx and had been passed on to USPS. Has anyone had a problem with losing PM or other stuff because it "was reported as delivered"? I just want to make sure I don't run into any problems when I start buying bigger stuff. -Willie

gunDriller | 11-04-2009 03:37 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by specsaregood (Post 2006810) Yeah, I'm wondering if everybody here saying UPS actually means USPS? I would be more hesitant to buy if they used UPS, too many package delivery failures with them -- although their online web service tools are the absolute best of all the different service providers.
UPS, USPS, they're both generally good. in the early 90's i sold parts on the Internet, using USENET newsgroups in the SF Bay Area and also local dial-in bulletin boards like BMUG. i had occasion to do about 150 UPS COD transactions. what that means is, i send something via UPS COD for cash, then i get mailed a check via USPS. i had Zero hiccups. every single transaction went through, every check showed up. also, zero no-shows and zero returns. it was like a strange vein in space-time where all you meet are techies who keep their agreements & pay their bills, with both UPS & USPS batting 1.000. also, no one ever tried to low-ball me. the price i asked was the price they paid. it's not that i was King or anything, i just tended to list my parts for the lowest price i was willing to take, my "indifference point" if you will. i still remember one 800 MB SCSI Seagate that i sold for about $225, it was 3 1/2" SCSI full height. it made the coolest sound and it was fast. but i needed the money and it had to go. i tried again when i was doing some house-cleaning in 2005 to sell a few computer parts. i used Craigslist. talk about a culture change. between people no-showing, trying to offer me less, etc., i just sent the stuff to http://www.accrc.org/

silverblood | 11-04-2009 05:41 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by Apocalypto (Post 2006647) I'm glad you got it, bro. Everything is cool. No one has a clue what's in it but you and us. Stay cool.
lol. This is the internet, ya know.

andial | 11-04-2009 06:05 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Thank God the coins were not stolen or lost. Glad to see everything went fine after all. :emotions16:

Light | 11-04-2009 09:58 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBuyer123 (Post 2007068) How fortunate. I've had UPS guys actually once leave a Monster box sitting on my doorstep.
Me too. And I hadn't even bought one!:23_30_104:

helopilot | 11-04-2009 10:15 PM
opening a monster box thanx Drumblebum for the reply. I believe you hit it on the money. And yes, twisted avitar, thank you for the advice. I hadn't thought of selling it all at once before. Inventory and receipt at time of sale is excellent advice. I had all ways thought of selling it a little at a time as I needed it in the future.

Mike C | 11-04-2009 10:19 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by madfranks (Post 2007276) Yes, very serious. A theft of this magnitude is a felony and you'll do hard prison time if convicted. And you don't think it's serious if a group of gangbangers stole a monster box and now they think there's more where that came from? Dude, my wife and I had to literally move to a new house after we had a Mexican scumbag steal some of our gold because we knew that if they wanted more they knew where to come! I have two kids and protecting yourself is the best advice you can get after something like this happens. Now in this case, thank God it was a misunderstanding between the neighbors and UPS, if it had indeed turned out to be felony theft by hoodlums, Raccoon could have been in big trouble.
"Hard prison time"...lol... Get Real! I don't care if it is a "Felony", you are NOT going to do ANY prison time in the state I live in for stealing a monster box. Just a reality check, but you are unlikely to do any prison time for armed robbery around here. Our justice system just doesn't have the room for the petty monster box stealers. 20 years ago, maybe. Today, you will get credited time served in jail(joke), 2 years on the shelf, and a petty fine. Trust me, I see it daily around here.

helopilot | 11-04-2009 10:21 PM
delivery The mint shipping through the USPS leaves the 4 coin proof sets in the mailbox. No notice, no signature. a little scary.

BeeYourself | 11-04-2009 10:28 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen I once had a vendor deliver something to an address I no longer lived at. I just happened to be there raking the yard (literally the first time in two weeks) when they showed up. They would have left the box on the doorstep! I freaked right out and the vendor got a real earful and I patted myself on my own back for having impeccable timing. Not the fault of UPS.

1981 | 11-04-2009 10:35 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike C (Post 2008470) "Hard prison time"...lol... Get Real! I don't care if it is a "Felony", you are NOT going to do ANY prison time in the state I live in for stealing
You might get shot in my state!:23_30_104: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/6699949.html

Drumblebum | 11-04-2009 10:42 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by mamboni (Post 2007375) Nah, the OP shouldn't open that box! Imagine the anticipation and excitement of opening the box a few years from now when silver eagles are selling for $175 each (OP: "We're rich honey! Aren't you glad I bought those silver eagles instead of the trip to Hawaii?!"). The OP cracks a bottle of bubbly with wifey as they cut the tape with tingly hands and open that green monster for the first time!!!:23_30_104::36_3_13::23_30_104:
:452: Dude, yer killin' me!! Now I feel like I have to go open the bastard, and I haven't even taken it out of my safe in over a year!!! :10_1_19: Oh wait, I bought it from APMEX. I probably don't have to worry. :4_8_4v:

lhslancers | 11-04-2009 10:43 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieTheKid (Post 2007483) Since we are on this thread, does anyone know just what the policies of the various shippers are. Obviously APMEX has this down and has an insurer and they stand by their deliverys. It used to be that FedEx, UPS, etc. would leave a note on my door for 3 days and I had to be there on one of those days or write other delivery instructions like "I'll pick it up at the dispatch center," or "Please leave it with my neighbor to the west, they'll be home." About 4-8 years ago they just started just leaving the stuff. I asked the UPS driver what was up, and he said that the policies had changed. After he delivered $3K worth of billiard parts and left them in front of my office door (for 4 days), I told him he needed to stop doing that unless he wanted to pay for the stolen stuff. I don't deal in MoBo's or whatever they are called yet, but I was dismayed when both a proof set and my Lincoln Coins & Chronicles set were left on my front porch, one of them where it could be rained on. It had gone through FedEx and had been passed on to USPS. Has anyone had a problem with losing PM or other stuff because it "was reported as delivered"? I just want to make sure I don't run into any problems when I start buying bigger stuff. -Willie
That's bull$hit. My driver won't even leave a $50 box of coffee w/o a sig.

RaccoonRiverRadical | 11-04-2009 10:43 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Lots of positive vibes on this thread. Thanks everybody. As well thank you Scott from APMEX. This is a great resource we have at GIM. In the future UPS is out, but I don't plan to file a formal complaint. As enough red flags have been sent up I don't think it would help matters sending some tired UPS driver to the unemployment line.

Bob | 11-05-2009 12:02 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen I believe they keep special track of high value items. When I used to ship a lot, if I declared a value of over $1k on an item, there was a special form that printed and the driver had to handle those items differently. Now, that assumes that the package was insured through UPS not through a third party as had been mentioned. Quote:
Originally Posted by 47Protons (Post 2007034) But the driver DOESN'T KNOW how valuable it is. It could have been a $75 boom-box for all he knows.

Curmudgeonista | 11-05-2009 12:22 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Wow! There is still one thing missing... an apology to APMEX. Title of the thread should have been "UPS Monster Box delivery missing". The way it was written casts dispersions on APMEX... underservedly so, IMO... and a lot of people won't bother to read any further. So, you hurt a good vendor's business by jumping the gun and implying their culpability instead of waiting for the outcome before posting. I've dealt with every carrier out there; and no matter what instructions the shipper designates, it's up to the people that work for the delivery service to follow through. Once shipped, APMEX had no control over the lazy UPS driver or the (quite possibly) nosy neighbor.

Jekyll7 | 11-05-2009 12:25 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Dealing with UPS was the first mistake, but I'm glad it all worked out in the end. For any PM or numismatic purchases, I keep a PO box at the post office. It's less convenient than delivery to your door, but it ensures your package is safe until you personally sign for it (with ID), and it conceals your home address from anyone you buy from.

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comstock | 11-05-2009 01:14 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen This summer UPS delivered a Monster Box from Tulving designated "Signature Required". I came home from work to find it sitting outside my door. Tracking online indicated "Signed for by Comstock" (which never happened). My small business no longer uses UPS for outbound and we do anything we can to prevent them from inbound. Re: USPS, I've also had "Sig Required", high value items handed to me by the mail carrier (too big for the mailbox) with a smile and a "No need for a pen, I already signed for you". IMO, Registered Mail to the PO Box is probably the safest, reliable (albeit slowest) delivery method.

twenty4karat | 11-05-2009 01:56 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by philobeddoe (Post 2007059) Thats funny. UPS tried to deliver me the neighbors armchair last week.
Is that funny HA HA or funny... "it just happened to match my decor". :smile:

twenty4karat | 11-05-2009 03:08 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by gunDriller (Post 2007836) UPS, USPS, they're both generally good. in the early 90's i sold parts on the Internet, using USENET newsgroups in the SF Bay Area and also local dial-in bulletin boards like BMUG. i had occasion to do about 150 UPS COD transactions. what that means is, i send something via UPS COD for cash, then i get mailed a check via USPS. i had Zero hiccups. every single transaction went through, every check showed up. also, zero no-shows and zero returns. it was like a strange vein in space-time where all you meet are techies who keep their agreements & pay their bills, with both UPS & USPS batting 1.000. also, no one ever tried to low-ball me. the price i asked was the price they paid. it's not that i was King or anything, i just tended to list my parts for the lowest price i was willing to take, my "indifference point" if you will. i still remember one 800 MB SCSI Seagate that i sold for about $225, it was 3 1/2" SCSI full height. it made the coolest sound and it was fast. but i needed the money and it had to go. i tried again when i was doing some house-cleaning in 2005 to sell a few computer parts. i used Craigslist. talk about a culture change. between people no-showing, trying to offer me less, etc., i just sent the stuff to http://www.accrc.org/
I still have a pile of old Mac's (and peripherals) that had cost me well over $50,000 (all for sale by the way, any reasonable offer will be seriously considered). Pm me if interested even if it's an obsolete peripheral that has been eluding you. The MacBook that I'm writing on this minute that cost me under a grand runs circles around most. When you are a Commercial Artist (that's Graphic designer in modern jargon) and you had to use Mac's because PC's were crap when it came to GUI. (Remember the bumper sticker "Windows 95 = MacIntosh '87"?). My first 1mg. RAM chip was $600 and on backorder. I've got 2 -2gig. Ram chips in this MacBook for less than I paid for the 1mg.. But you can't put a price on the education and the speed at which I transfered my craft from setting pages in quoins with lead type and zinc etched art and photos to Digital page layout with all the trimmings straight to plate (in some cases straight to press w/ instant swap outs!). I can even run Windows on this Mac... ...but that would just be just silly. :smile: P.S. What the heck is a computer virus?

TomD | 11-05-2009 09:32 PM
this is a USPS thread not Apmex This is a USPS thread, not Apmex. My thought is that the name APMEX should be deleted from all posts in the thread because they did everything that they were supposed to do or could be reasonably expected to do. Put yourself in the position, you agree to sell some coins. You package the coins professionally and take them to the agreed upon delivery service and ship them in the agreed upon fashion. You go home, you've done everything expected of you to the greatest extent possible. Then the delivery service has that 1 in 10,000 hiccup and you get blamed. Your thought is that you did your end perfectly, what else could be expected. Sorry but the fault lies with the delivery service, what in the hell do you expect Apmex to do? I've been the recipient of a great number of signature required packages from USPS. Never has one been left with a neighbor or on the doorstep. The carrier is responsible and by extension the organization which gives them the latitude to do such a thing without fear for their job. Have a few carriers lose their jobs for doing that and it would rapidly cease.

DHawk | 11-05-2009 10:44 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen hey, coonriver... just be glad your neighbors are stupid.

HistoryStudent | 11-06-2009 07:13 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen We quit using UPS when "they" broke into our CODs for $5000 back 15 years ago. Now ONLY use FED EX period. GOD BLESS you for great neighbors - they saved your BACON - $10,000 worth of BACON! :emotions16::emotions16::111::111:

RaccoonRiverRadical | 11-06-2009 07:25 PM
Re: this is a USPS thread not Apmex Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 2010308) This is a USPS thread, not Apmex..
You mean UPS? It you think this thread slanders APMEX unfairly lobby the moderators to pull the whole thing. I certainly don't care now since the box turned up. But before you get upset about the thread existing, how would you respond if $10,000 worth of your coins went missing for 24 hours? When I called UPS to complain they told me to call APMEX because it was their box not mine as it hadn't been delivered yet. My claim would have been with APMEX. I wanted them to monitor the thread. Which they did. I was protecting my hard earned money. If you don't like that, write your Congresscritter. You worry about your money, I'll worry about mine.

ds_mustang | 11-06-2009 07:39 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Tell your neighbor it was a box of snow chains.

RaccoonRiverRadical | 11-06-2009 07:53 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by DHawk (Post 2010422) hey, coonriver... just be glad your neighbors are stupid.
They are not stupid. They figured it out.

Buyingsilvers | 11-06-2009 07:54 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by comstock (Post 2008683) Re: USPS, I've also had "Sig Required", high value items handed to me by the mail carrier (too big for the mailbox) with a smile and a "No need for a pen, I already signed for you".
That's rediculous... there's a reason why people pay for sig confirmation. An innocent blunder, but still... What if he signed the package, then the customer claimed it was missing. Customer's word against his + the forged signature could get him into big trouble. My preference is still with USPS despite the crappy tracking services. Mostly because they tend to be the cheapest, more locations, and because of Registered services for insuring bullion. Guess it's a good thing I havent hit up against that 70lb limit yet.

RaccoonRiverRadical | 11-06-2009 07:57 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by ds_mustang (Post 2011908) Tell your neighbor it was a box of snow chains.
Too late. And to make matters even better the guy whose apartment UPS delivered to is the building gossip. Nice guy but ... I put everything in a safe deposit box at the bank, which won't stop the bad guys from trying since they don't know where it is, or isn't. All I can say is: bring it on. I'm locked and loaded and generally kinda pissed off anyway.

RaccoonRiverRadical | 11-06-2009 08:12 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Another thing to TomD and any others of you who think this thread is a slander to APMEX. APMEX being a mail order company is no better than their worst deliverers no matter how ship shape their end of the business is. If UPS, USPS, and FED EX all go to hell, guess who goes to hell with them? All this is an issue that effects the people at APMEX. This thread makes clear who the fault is with and it is not APMEX except for the fact that they use UPS. And shit happens as we all know. But still, in no way is APMEX separate from what their deliverers do. The good name of APMEX is not too holy for a thread such as this. By the way, I won't be buying anymore monster boxes. $10,000 coupled with your address is too much to involve other people with. Most of you know what can happen if the wrong people get wind of this, especially in an economy like this.

Fullpower | 11-06-2009 08:17 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Note to original poster: It is possible for you to amend the rather alarmist title of your thread, to reflect the NON criminal reality of your "delivery exception".

gold-finger | 11-06-2009 08:20 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie Peter (Post 2006626) The UPS guy just didn't want to be bothered with re-delivering it tomorrow...:36_1_30:
Is that the Wuestenfuchs in your avatar pic?

RaccoonRiverRadical | 11-06-2009 08:46 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by Fullpower (Post 2011980) Note to original poster: It is possible for you to amend the rather alarmist title of your thread, to reflect the NON criminal reality of your "delivery exception".
Read back the last 10 posts please.

chad | 11-06-2009 09:19 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen i order in the range of 200 computers from dell, etc. per year for clients and have them all delivered to my house so i can custom config them before delivery. ups gives, on average, about 50 of them a year to my neighbors, even after i have complained. no problems with my neighbors being honest (i pay them now, $5 for keeping it for me), but still, the incompetance is amazing.

RaccoonRiverRadical | 11-06-2009 09:24 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by chad (Post 2012092) i order in the range of 200 computers from dell, etc. per year for clients and have them all delivered to my house so i can custom config them before delivery. ups gives, on average, about 50 of them a year to my neighbors, even after i have complained. no problems with my neighbors being honest (i pay them now, $5 for keeping it for me), but still, the incompetance is amazing.
I'm curious are these sig required?

chad | 11-06-2009 09:26 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen yep. they just let my neighbors sign for them. the only time i was really scared was when they let the people next doot sign for a 6k server, and i couldn't find it because they had taken it inside and then went on vacation for the weekend without telling me. we're all cool now, everyone brings them over asap to get the $5 bounty. ups just ignore what i tell them.

ccjoe | 11-06-2009 09:35 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by chad (Post 2012102) yep. they just let my neighbors sign for them. the only time i was really scared was when they let the people next doot sign for a 6k server, and i couldn't find it because they had taken it inside and then went on vacation for the weekend without telling me. we're all cool now, everyone brings them over asap to get the $5 bounty. ups just ignore what i tell them.
Wow! That' awful Chad. Our UPS guy is great and even makes fun comments like "What do you have in there gold?" I just fluff him off.

chad | 11-06-2009 09:37 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen it actually doesn't bother me anymore, because now i don't have to be home to get the stuff. he's left it with neighbors so many times now, he just treats them like it's me. it's a small town, so everyone is like a relative or something.

Злато | 11-12-2009 09:34 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen This just in. 100oz bar delivered to my neighbor ( I assume he signed for it), he gave the bar to another person, and finally I got the bar. USPS is a rotten outfit. Address on the package was OK, was registered. I kid you not, it's not funny at all. I can't sleep well tonight.

Darth_Vader | 11-13-2009 03:11 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Just wonder, but would a po box help with any of this? I would think if the delivery was usps to a po box then less mistakes would happen.

Ag_man | 11-13-2009 05:19 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth_Vader (Post 2024112) Just wonder, but would a po box help with any of this? I would think if the delivery was usps to a po box then less mistakes would happen.
I dunno about that. The USPS couldn't pour pi** out of a boot, if the instructions were on the heel.

chad | 11-13-2009 05:46 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen usps is the worst. my mail lady gives apmex packages to the neighbors all the time, leaves them on the stoop, etc. i complain to the postmaster, nothing happens. i'm at this very moment trying to track some some stuff i ordered from the mint that they lost. they're "going to look around the main office" this weekend for it.

FedUp | 11-13-2009 07:36 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen I had a pkg dropped off from APMEX (wish it was a monster box) said sig required. Post man left it in my rural mailbox with no signature. Luckily I saw him drive off and was expecting the pkg. I called and complained to the postmaster. My wife was expecting a flaming turd to be dropped off after I told her I called in to report our mailman to his boss. Just plain laziness.

Ag_man | 11-13-2009 08:27 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen I believe APMEX policy is anything >$300 is signature required, but I've at 4 sig required APMEX shipments just left in my mailbox. The counter guys at my PO are OK, but the carriers just plain suck.

HomesteadHarry | 11-15-2009 01:33 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen If you want to uncover the ills of the post system, leave it to someone who entrusts them with tens of thousands of dollars. It's a surprise the religion forum isn't more active. :rofl:

Traderbock | 11-15-2009 05:43 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Do you folks who have trouble with the USPS leaving packages scattered around the neighborhood live in rural or outward suburban areas? Because no one is home during the day and the post office is only a mile away. I get the card in the mail and take it down and get my package, which I highly prefer. I wouldn't want anything laying around in a mailbox or at some neighbors house, or God forbid, on my porch.

Operation Grief | 11-15-2009 05:48 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Picked up a (heavy) APMEX package at the post office Friday. Just after I signed for it the guy asks—"What's in it?" All I said was "Hmpphh." Did he really think I was going to tell him?

RaccoonRiverRadical | 11-15-2009 06:39 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by Traderbock (Post 2026893) Do you folks who have trouble with the USPS leaving packages scattered around the neighborhood live in rural or outward suburban areas?
Actually my problems were with UPS, not USPS. To answer the question I live in a suburban clusterfuch.

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Traderbock | 11-15-2009 09:57 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by Operation Grief (Post 2026898) Picked up a (heavy) APMEX package at the post office Friday. Just after I signed for it the guy asks�"What's in it?" All I said was "Hmpphh." Did he really think I was going to tell him?
What's in it? I could think of a half dozen answers he'd deserve for asking. My family was in the retail business (grocery) when I was growing up. It was considered poor behavior to make comments about what people bought. I would think, would hope, that the USPS would train their employees not to ask such things.

RotaryRevn | 11-19-2009 11:52 AM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen where can I find monster boxes on the apmex site? I've been wanting to pick one up but cant seem to find them. thanks

47Protons | 11-19-2009 02:46 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by RotaryRevn (Post 2033662) where can I find monster boxes on the apmex site? I've been wanting to pick one up but cant seem to find them. thanks
http://www.apmex.com/Product/48687/2...an_Eagles.aspx "As low as $1.79 over spot. - These coins are live and ready to ship! (Orders in quantity of 20 or more come in mint tubes 500 or more come in sealed monster boxes). All coins are in Brilliant Uncirculate condition!"

RotaryRevn | 11-19-2009 05:15 PM
Re: APMEX monster box gone missing, probably stolen Quote:
Originally Posted by 47Protons (Post 2034002) http://www.apmex.com/Product/48687/2...an_Eagles.aspx "As low as $1.79 over spot. - These coins are live and ready to ship! (Orders in quantity of 20 or more come in mint tubes 500 or more come in sealed monster boxes). All coins are in Brilliant Uncirculate condition!"
Thanks so much

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