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Maple Leaf Steve | 03-12-2004 11:15 AM
Hypothetical Scenario The year is 2013 and the Mayan calender has ended... The you know what has hit the fan in this country... There is civil disorder and lawlessness everywhere... There is no police anywhere, as they are all at home protecting their families. Now the word is out that the military is going door to door and collecting precious metals from everybody living in homes. And they are not discriminating, they are confiscating both Gold and Silver! Do you leave your metals in your safe? If you take them out of your safe then where do you put them? Hopefully you have thought this out before hand and you already have a secondary hiding place that no one would suspect. What to do? :stupido2: MLS

hoarder | 03-12-2004 11:36 AM
Re: Hypothetical Scenario Make a habit of saving all scrap metal you run across. Plant them all over your yard and adjacent vacant property as decoys. Then, if possible, bury your silver someplace else. Do not bury it all in one place. If you live out in the country, rent a backhoe one day and dig dozens of deep holes. You can put old engines and such in them so the confiscators resources will become exausted more quickly. Scatter pennies and other small junk on the ground over a wide area. In the scenario you suggest, TPTB will structure the confiscation/holding of metals such that it is complex and confusing and vulnerable to some theft by the military/police commanders. This way they will be much easier to control, as they will be partners in crime. They will also be more motivated to confiscate as much metal as possible and use excess force and use cover-up tactics.

Libertarian_Guard | 03-12-2004 06:15 PM
Re: Hypothetical Scenario What a great idea, burying engine blocks and scattering pennies underneath your back lawn. The only problem that I can see with this scenario is when the diggers begin unearthing all your decoys they just might start to get real happy and think that they hit the jack pot��.and not want to walk away empty handed. It might be better to plant a few subterranean anti-personal mines ( just remember to step lightly in that area and be absolutely sure to keep the kids away, as they like to jump up and down from time to time, so long as they still have legs ) as the first BOOM should bring an end to digging operations in your yard, unless by unfortunate circumstances, you happen to be home at the time, in which case you will likely become the designated digger. If you�re lucky enough not to be home when the backyard fireworks start��..never go home again, or at least until you get the all clear sign, even then wait another two weeks, because they will likely return. I imagine it�s tough work digging up old engine blocks, no less anti-personal mines�.ouch. So again, stay away from the homestead unless you have a death wish to find out how strong your back and stomach are. I�m sure that such a collection operation would have ways ( especially if you have other family members around ) of ensuring that your digging efforts don�t come up dry.

money matters | 03-12-2004 06:15 PM
Re: Hypothetical Scenario You think you have 9 years!!! If you have even 7 days; you will have been blessed. money matters

Libertarian_Guard | 03-12-2004 06:34 PM
Re: Hypothetical Scenario LOL no one posts to this silly thread all day long. Then two posts at exactly 6:15, what are the chances of two ships crossing in the night? Sure hope we have more than seven days, I�ll need to pace myself when I commence digging operations. Should all this come to pass ( and I think it will ) I�m sure I�ll never feel quite right when taking a stroll in someone�s yard, esp. Hoarder's

Outrider | 03-12-2004 06:43 PM
Re: Hypothetical Scenario Quote:
Originally Posted by Libertarian_Guard LOL no one posts to this silly thread all day long. Then two posts at exactly 6:15, what are the chances of two ships crossing in the night? Sure hope we have more than seven days, I�ll need to pace myself when I commence digging operations. Should all this come to pass ( and I think it will ) I�m sure I�ll never feel quite right when taking a stroll in someone�s yard, esp. Hoarder's
Oh dear, I'm afraid you guys got it ALL wrong!! You NEVER win in a shoving match with troops. You have a small cache for them to take. In fact when they announce that's what they're here for you put on your patriotic face and go get it for them. And offer coffee and cake. Once anyone with half a brain senses you are hiding something it's pliers to the gonads time. They won't waste their time digging except into your (or your familie's) hide. Please, think this through. In the ole country you always had a gun to turn in like a good little dubie. And one to keep!! Remember, at that time it ain't Kansas anymore. Glad to help. Outrider

shades2 | 03-12-2004 07:53 PM
Re: Hypothetical Scenario Quote:
Originally Posted by Outrider Oh dear, I'm afraid you guys got it ALL wrong!! You NEVER win in a shoving match with troops. You have a small cache for them to take. In fact when they announce that's what they're here for you put on your patriotic face and go get it for them. And offer coffee and cake. Once anyone with half a brain senses you are hiding something it's pliers to the gonads time. They won't waste their time digging except into your (or your familie's) hide. Please, think this through. In the ole country you always had a gun to turn in like a good little dubie. And one to keep!! Remember, at that time it ain't Kansas anymore. Glad to help. Outrider
Hehe, good strategy. Hand over a handful of silver eagles and assorted crappy coins, and turn on the waterworks. They'll make a little tick in their logbook to indicate they collected from you and go on their merry way. Job done! Never mind the 6 metric tonnes of Ag in your underground bunkers. Muhahah! Burying it is too obvious, and as I'm someone who has a metal detector, I know a good metal detector can distinguish between gold and less denser metals like aluminium. Seeding the ground as someone else stated with excessive crap just means they'll bring a bulldozer as you obviously have something down there. I have some good strategies for hiding silver which I won't divuldge too much, which doesn't involve having to dig it up in the dead of night when I want to use it. Put some thought into it and you'll realise that there are some relatively easy ways to conceal it. Soldiers on a mission are not going to be able to demolish everyone's house if it ever comes to that in a search for metals, it's unrealistic. They'll be relying on suckers to fork it over voluntarily, largely. Preventing a paper trail of ownership is the number one requirement, so they can't just beat a path to your door. This also reduces the chance of being visited by other devious characters. Putting it in secure storage is a MISTAKE, if I was a government official seizing property that would be one of the first places I'd be visiting to ransack. :stickyman

Tn...Andy | 03-12-2004 08:20 PM
Re: Hypothetical Scenario If they want mine, the FIRST metal they will "collect" is lead with a copper jacket....delivered at high velocity.

gpond | 03-12-2004 09:29 PM
Re: Hypothetical Scenario Quote:
Originally Posted by shades2 I have some good strategies for hiding silver which I won't divuldge too much, which doesn't involve having to dig it up in the dead of night when I want to use it. Put some thought into it and you'll realise that there are some relatively easy ways to conceal it. Soldiers on a mission are not going to be able to demolish everyone's house if it ever comes to that in a search for metals, it's unrealistic. They'll be relying on suckers to fork it over voluntarily, largely. Preventing a paper trail of ownership is the number one requirement, so they can't just beat a path to your door. This also reduces the chance of being visited by other devious characters. Putting it in secure storage is a MISTAKE, if I was a government official seizing property that would be one of the first places I'd be visiting to ransack. :stickyman
Yes! I agree. There will also be some "examples" made of people. Hey, it works for the IRS. (Oh, didn't mean to go there.) I don't think it's a great idea, but I've pondered putting some up a tree or somewhere on high. Folks think of looking underground, but usually not up high. But if the "tree" goes down, you're in trouble.

G-khan | 03-12-2004 09:35 PM
Re: Hypothetical Scenario Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple Leaf Steve The year is 2013 and the Mayan calender has ended... The you know what has hit the fan in this country... There is civil disorder and lawlessness everywhere... There is no police anywhere, as they are all at home protecting their families. Now the word is out that the military is going door to door and collecting precious metals from everybody living in homes. And they are not discriminating, they are confiscating both Gold and Silver! Do you leave your metals in your safe? If you take them out of your safe then where do you put them? Hopefully you have thought this out before hand and you already have a secondary hiding place that no one would suspect. What to do? :stupido2: MLS
I load my weapon and get ready to defend my property!

Maple Leaf Steve | 03-13-2004 02:38 PM
Re: Hypothetical Scenario Quote:
Originally Posted by G-khan I load my weapon and get ready to defend my property!
Not a bad idea! You don't even know that those people at your front door are military personal or not. Still though your gold should not be in your one ton safe after the SHTF. My next computer monitor that goes out on me I think I will gut the insides of it. It might make for a good hiding place someday. Hide some up a tree? LoL :haha: MLS

straightblast | 03-17-2004 10:19 PM
Re: Hypothetical Scenario Too time consuming to send them door to door. If it ever happens it will be worked from lists gathered from dealers. More likely, it would be prefaced with making it a felony to own, which, sadly, these days will probably get tons of it turned in.

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