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The Great Ag | 12-06-2006 11:49 PM
For the Copperheads 2 Attachment(s) Here is one of my beauties: a 1854 Large Cent. For those who do not know, this cent is the same size as the current $1 Golden Sacagawea dollar. I suspect a prior owner continually cleaned it to maintain the original copper color. What I like is the green tarnish or patina the coin is developing. The greens are more vibrant in person. The Great Ag

Nuggethunter | 12-07-2006 12:07 AM
Re: For the Copperheads A beauty , REAL MONEY I'LL SAY.... whats she worth? Looks ' VERY GOOD'

The Great Ag | 12-07-2006 12:32 AM
Re: For the Copperheads Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuggethunter (Post 437337) A beauty , REAL MONEY I'LL SAY.... whats she worth? Looks ' VERY GOOD'
Thanks! I paid a real pretty penny for that Large Cent. $60 FRNs six months ago at the Baltimore coin show. I would grade it a high EF45-46. The GreatAg

DC7 | 12-07-2006 09:36 AM
Re: For the Copperheads Beautiful! I have a large cent but not a nice as that. Congratulations.

fritzkrieg | 12-07-2006 11:04 AM
Re: For the Copperheads Old coins are truly works of art, US as well as foreign. There's an obvious quality there that doesn't seem to exist any more. I don't think it has to be that way, though.

Anty Ep | 12-07-2006 04:44 PM
Re: For the Copperheads thanks for that pic, I have been seeing those advertised and wondering what they looked like

The Great Ag | 12-08-2006 12:21 PM
Re: For the Copperheads Quote:
Originally Posted by DC7 (Post 437649) Beautiful! I have a large cent but not a nice as that. Congratulations.
Thanks DC, but some numismatists would not like the coin becuase it has been cleaned. There is wear on the coin besides the dings, and any coin would loose its luster and color. Whoever cleaned it ruined the coin in some eyes. For me, I think it adds beauty. I have seen similar graded coins that are brown in color, and no where near as pretty. The Great Ag

DC7 | 12-08-2006 06:29 PM
Re: For the Copperheads To my eye, the detail and condition make a coin more enjoyable than if it was cleaned. I have cleaned coins, But often end up avoiding them not because of personal taste, but concerns about resale. I pulled my large cent out, it's an 1853. Based on photograde I'd say mine's a fine, maybe a vf. Yours definately has more detail. This head on this large cent is from 1839-1857. I'd also like earlier ones, but I think this one was the best looking.

The Great Ag | 12-08-2006 06:31 PM
Re: For the Copperheads Quote:
Originally Posted by DC7 (Post 439493) To my eye, the detail and condition make a coin more enjoyable than if it was cleaned. I have cleaned coins, But often end up avoiding them not because of personal taste, but concerns about resale. I pulled my large cent out, it's an 1853. Based on photograde I'd say mine's a fine, maybe a vf. Yours definately has more detail. This head on this large cent is from 1839-1857. I'd also like earlier ones, but I think this one was the best looking.
Yeah, I'd grade this coin at XF45. I use the grading scale by PCGS. Not sure how it compares to photograde, which is ANACS I believe. The Great Ag

gopher29 | 12-08-2006 06:35 PM
Re: For the Copperheads Congrats, she is a beauty! I have one dated 1853 that looks to be in similiar condiiton to your coin. Large copper coins like those are all the more special since cents are not even made from pure copper anymore. If you find you enjoy collecting early American coppers you might want to check out half cents. Like large cents, they are larger than the modern small cents and all half cents are considered scarce and highly collectible.

RossL | 12-08-2006 08:29 PM
Re: For the Copperheads 1 Attachment(s) from my collection of scans... Here's one that I used to own. I had to sell it a few years back to raise some money to pay some medical bills. I bought it in the mid-90's for about $1200 and got about $2500 for it in 1999.

RossL | 12-08-2006 08:39 PM
Re: For the Copperheads 1 Attachment(s) here is another chunk of copper that I sold at the very same time to pay the very same medical bills in 1999.

fritzkrieg | 12-08-2006 10:05 PM
Re: For the Copperheads Quote:
Originally Posted by RossL (Post 439604) here is another chunk of copper that I sold at the very same time to pay the very same medical bills in 1999.
Just beautiful, the s-vdb and the large cent. What a shame to have to part with quality like that! I no longer have any health insurance, and could find myself in a similar situation. It's something that haunts me. I've still got a few things, including some nice cents, but nothing like those two examples. did sell a couple of things to buy some silver last summer, but there's nothing prettier in the world than pristine copper like that. If I were rich I'd buy that stuff until it came out of my ears. Hope you resolved your medical problems, Ross.

gpond | 12-08-2006 10:14 PM
Re: For the Copperheads I agree. NEVER clean your numies.

GoldWampum | 12-08-2006 10:15 PM
Re: For the Copperheads They are beautiful. Love those vintage ones.

RossL | 12-09-2006 12:28 AM
Re: For the Copperheads 1 Attachment(s) Found another scan of the 1909 SVDB that I made before I sold it... I used the scans to sell the coin in 1999. To fritzkrieg: Thank you very much about your concern, I am fine and healthy now at the ripe old age of 49 1/2 ,,, :coolbeer: and I plan on another 40 or 50 :applause_

The Great Ag | 12-09-2006 01:51 AM
Re: For the Copperheads Quote:
Originally Posted by RossL (Post 439599) from my collection of scans... Here's one that I used to own. I had to sell it a few years back to raise some money to pay some medical bills. I bought it in the mid-90's for about $1200 and got about $2500 for it in 1999.
Hey, RossL: Did not know you were a numismatist. Those are some goregeous coins! MS65 Red to boot, oh wow. :puke: The closest smiley to drooling. Thanks for posting those pics. If you have anymore scans of coins, please put them up. We need more numismatic stuff on this forum. I don't have any half-cents, yet as I am increasing my walking liberty halves in MS66 currently, but those half-cents are beautiful too. The Great Ag

fritzkrieg | 12-09-2006 12:01 PM
Re: For the Copperheads 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by The Great Ag (Post 439740) Hey, RossL: Did not know you were a numismatist. Those are some goregeous coins! MS65 Red to boot, oh wow. :puke: The closest smiley to drooling. Thanks for posting those pics. If you have anymore scans of coins, please put them up. We need more numismatic stuff on this forum. I don't have any half-cents, yet as I am increasing my walking liberty halves in MS66 currently, but those half-cents are beautiful too. The Great Ag
Hey AG, Here's a nice copper I picked up from a guy from Scotland a while back. A bit unusual, and getting harder to find. It's an Isle of Man 1839 half penny. I like stuff from all over the world, especially Victorian. I think more people would share coin photos and info but may be reluctant because of security issues, even if these fears may be mostly unfounded. Don't really know, just surmising.

Copperhead | 12-09-2006 12:11 PM
Re: For the Copperheads Quote:
Originally Posted by The Great Ag (Post 437322) Here is one of my beauties: a 1854 Large Cent. For those who do not know, this cent is the same size as the current $1 Golden Sacagawea dollar. I suspect a prior owner continually cleaned it to maintain the original copper color. What I like is the green tarnish or patina the coin is developing. The greens are more vibrant in person. The Great Ag
I real beauty. 100% copper or bronze/brass?

RossL | 12-09-2006 01:45 PM
Re: For the Copperheads Thanks for all the comments. I hated to part with that 1853 large cent. I always felt the 1909SVDB was slightly overgraded. The reverse side has beautiful luster and could rate a MS66. But the obverse side is weakly struck and kind of blotchy. Just average luster. Could rate a MS64. I suppose that averages out to MS65. It looks like they used a new die for the back side and a worn die for the front side when the cent was struck back in 1909 in San Fransisco.

RossL | 12-09-2006 01:54 PM
Re: For the Copperheads 1 Attachment(s) digging through the old files... I find a closeup of that big beautiful 1853. click on this one and look at it full size.

RossL | 12-09-2006 01:55 PM
Re: For the Copperheads 1 Attachment(s) here's a nice ms66 chunk of copper

RossL | 12-09-2006 01:57 PM
Re: For the Copperheads 1 Attachment(s) here is a denomination that wasn't very popular. only made from 1864 to 1873.

Lackluster | 12-09-2006 02:08 PM
Re: For the Copperheads Is that what you give when you "give your two cents?"

Bill | 12-09-2006 03:09 PM
Re: For the Copperheads Quote:
Originally Posted by RossL (Post 439992) digging through the old files... I find a closeup of that big beautiful 1853. click on this one and look at it full size.
Too bad you had to part with it.:frown:

The Great Ag | 12-09-2006 03:56 PM
Re: For the Copperheads Quote:
Originally Posted by fritzkrieg (Post 439917) Hey AG, Here's a nice copper I picked up from a guy from Scotland a while back. A bit unusual, and getting harder to find. It's an Isle of Man 1839 half penny. I like stuff from all over the world, especially Victorian. I think more people would share coin photos and info but may be reluctant because of security issues, even if these fears may be mostly unfounded. Don't really know, just surmising.
Most GIMers collect bullion, the only good pics shown, thanks to Tom D, are bullion pieces. There aren't too many numismatists on GIM. Only 5 come to mind. Quote:
Originally Posted by RossL (Post 439992) digging through the old files... I find a closeup of that big beautiful 1853. click on this one and look at it full size.
Check out the luster on that coin, man, that is gorgeous. There is no way the bullion coins made by our mint come close to that copper cent. Out mint needs to get its head out of its a:censored:s and start making decent coins. Not that presidential crap. Quote:
Originally Posted by RossL (Post 439998) here is a denomination that wasn't very popular. only made from 1864 to 1873.
Hey, RossL, Wasn't that coin made for postage purposes, but the cost of a stamp went up making the coin obsolete? Am I thinking of the three cent nickel? The Great Ag

The Great Ag | 12-09-2006 03:58 PM
Re: For the Copperheads Quote:
Originally Posted by fritzkrieg (Post 439917) Hey AG, Here's a nice copper I picked up from a guy from Scotland a while back. A bit unusual, and getting harder to find. It's an Isle of Man 1839 half penny. I like stuff from all over the world, especially Victorian. I think more people would share coin photos and info but may be reluctant because of security issues, even if these fears may be mostly unfounded. Don't really know, just surmising.
Hey, Fritzkrieg: Thanks for posting the pic. I don't collect foreign coins, but that's a beaut, for sure. High quality too. Check out the detail around the ear where most wear would occur. What is a coin like that worth today, Fritzkrieg. The Great Ag

fritzkrieg | 12-09-2006 07:26 PM
Re: For the Copperheads Quote:
Originally Posted by The Great Ag (Post 440063) Hey, Fritzkrieg: Thanks for posting the pic. I don't collect foreign coins, but that's a beaut, for sure. High quality too. Check out the detail around the ear where most wear would occur. What is a coin like that worth today, Fritzkrieg. The Great Ag
Hi Ag, It wasn't much, between $30-$40. I was also able to pick up a couple of gold sovereigns for little over bullion price. He had all kinds of neat English type coins, going way back several hundred years. He had a really good site on the internet One of the prettiest pieces was a 1/4 farthing with just a unique rosy color. Some pieces, like that 1853 large cent above, almost take your breath away. I finally had to give up acquiring anything really nice, because the bullion seems to be more important as an investment vehicle. So far I haven't sold any coins for bullion, but have come close. It's a real dilemna! I'll dig up a few more scans. It really is fun to share this stuff.

fritzkrieg | 12-09-2006 07:34 PM
Re: For the Copperheads 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by The Great Ag (Post 440063) Hey, Fritzkrieg: Thanks for posting the pic. I don't collect foreign coins, but that's a beaut, for sure. High quality too. Check out the detail around the ear where most wear would occur. What is a coin like that worth today, Fritzkrieg. The Great Ag
This is a real favorite of mine. Bought it from a guy who deals almost exclusively with old copper ( on the internet). Real fine fellow. Anyway, he knocked off a couple of hundred $ for me. Another piece of Americana at its finest. It's maybe a VG 12, or F 15 at the highest. There just are not many Bust dollars around any more.

The Great Ag | 12-10-2006 12:07 PM
Re: For the Copperheads Hey, Fritzkrieg: That is cool coin! The first year our mint began production of copper cents, if I recall correctly. Our coins of today have no personality or engender a spirit of liberty. The best we can do is say, look at lincoln, washington. . .etc. If we have to have presidents on our coins, at least have them doing something! Washington at Valley Forge, Lincoln delivering Gettysburg address, or Roosevelt stealing our gold. At least the Draped Bust coin has a female reminding us of the feminine qualities of Liberty, and the heraldic eagle on the reverse; symbolically reminding each person is royalty. God first, then man, then gov't. I',m at work and will post the pic tonight of the one other interesting copper I own, a flying eagle in XF condition colored brown. This is the first cent the treasury minted that is the same size as our current Lincoln cents. What I like, and you won't be able to tell from the picture, is it has a small rotational die error of 5 - 10 degrees. It took my a while to figure this out. Not sure if this error is rare or not, but a cool coin nonetheless. The Great Ag AKA The Great Cu

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RossL | 12-11-2006 08:50 PM
Re: For the Copperheads 3 Attachment(s) OK you copperheads... I pulled some slabs out of deep storage and fired up the scanner. First up... a proof 1898 indian cent. This one really needs re-slabbed. The green speckles are on the plastic, not the coin.

RossL | 12-11-2006 08:54 PM
Re: For the Copperheads 3 Attachment(s) Here is a 1909 VDB cent minted in Philadelphia.

RossL | 12-11-2006 08:58 PM
Re: For the Copperheads 3 Attachment(s) 1931-S Lincoln cent. Second lowest mintage of the Lincoln cent series. Only 866,000 minted in San Fransisco in the depression year of 1931. Another old green PCGS slab with scratches on it.

The Great Ag | 12-11-2006 10:18 PM
Re: For the Copperheads 2 Attachment(s) Hey, RossL: Do you live close enough to Delaware so I can travel to your stead and drool. You have some of the most beautiful coins I have ever seen. I am not too keen on the Indian Head cent, but that 1898 proof is stunning!!!! As are those Lincolns. My camera is not taking decent shots so I can't show off my Lincolns, too. Here is the best shot I could get of my 1857 Flying eagle BR XF with a 15% rotational die error. The Great Ag

The Great Ag | 05-31-2007 05:47 PM
Re: For the Copperheads Bump for this gorgeous thread. Who says copper ain't beautiful? The great Ag

Anty Ep | 06-01-2007 09:16 AM
re copper toning my wife puts pennies on the coffeemaker hot plate. she says it keeps the coffee from burning and insists that I comply or else. the heated pennies, when exposed to some water and coffee, will turn amazing colors in a few weeks time.

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