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KASHMAN02 | 07-02-2007 09:32 PM
Have my 2007Ws graded?? So got part of my 50 2007w uncirculated (SAE) from the mint, going to the fun show in west palm beach next week, should I get my one box of 15 graded as early releases? I can submit directly to them at the show since I'm a member but what are the chances of getting any MS 70s, that's what Im hoping for, have them in the sealed box so first issued not a problem.

The Great Ag | 07-04-2007 10:58 PM
Re: Have my 2007Ws graded?? Why not. There are a lot of people who love the "early release" "first strike" moniker and will pay more FRNs for such a designation. It means nothing to me or other serious numismatists, but if your intent is to sell them, go for it. I would sell them quick as the buyers are lining up for the monikers. Get that "sucker" money before it is gone . The Great Ag

Master_Ho | 07-05-2007 12:33 AM
Re: Have my 2007Ws graded?? Quote:
Originally Posted by KASHMAN02 (Post 652541) So got part of my 50 2007w uncirculated (SAE) from the mint, going to the fun show in west palm beach next week, should I get my one box of 15 graded as early releases? I can submit directly to them at the show since I'm a member but what are the chances of getting any MS 70s, that's what Im hoping for, have them in the sealed box so first issued not a problem.
I only got a couple - cause I don't think they will be worth as much as last years - but I will get them graded cause they are worth more if they are! (NOTE - Bullion people don't bother harping on how its a precieved value and only to collectors - we know that, but the fact is people WILL pay more for them graded - idiots or not!!) HOWEVER - I may be wrong about this - but I don't think PCGS is grading them above 69, and I heard, but not sure, that NGC has graded a lot less at MS 70, and less day by day, than usual as of this moment. (PCGS isn't grading the regular eagles over MS 69 do to a problem with them developing white spots - I haven't heard any difference with these but someone else may know different - they are only just now getting out!)

Master_Ho | 07-05-2007 04:22 PM
Re: Have my 2007Ws graded?? I talked PCGS this morning - they WILL grade these coins at MS70 if they deserve it!! If you get it in within 30 days of the release of the coin, they will give it a First Strike label as well, sealed box or not.....after 30 days the box must be sealed from the Mint for that label. Again, we know the label is a bit of a sham (its not the first coin off the presses - just the first to be mailed out the door) - but people DO put a premium on them and they ARE selling for more! So the First Strike label is a perk for being fast on the grading. Cheers!

Anty Ep | 07-05-2007 08:25 PM
Re: Have my 2007Ws graded?? Quote:
Originally Posted by KASHMAN02 (Post 652541) So got part of my 50 2007w uncirculated (SAE) from the mint, going to the fun show in west palm beach next week, should I get my one box of 15 graded as early releases? I can submit directly to them at the show since I'm a member but what are the chances of getting any MS 70s, that's what Im hoping for, have them in the sealed box so first issued not a problem.
hey where is a link to this product on their website? cant seem to find it. thanks

KASHMAN02 | 07-05-2007 08:36 PM
Re: Have my 2007Ws graded?? Quote:
Originally Posted by Master_Ho (Post 654928) I talked PCGS this morning - they WILL grade these coins at MS70 if they deserve it!! If you get it in within 30 days of the release of the coin, they will give it a First Strike label as well, sealed box or not.....after 30 days the box must be sealed from the Mint for that label. Again, we know the label is a bit of a sham (its not the first coin off the presses - just the first to be mailed out the door) - but people DO put a premium on them and they ARE selling for more! So the First Strike label is a perk for being fast on the grading. Cheers!
I have sealed boxes with printouts of mint orders showing shipping on June 13, I see they have problems and the date for the others keeps getting pushed back, now July 20 so this could very well be a low mintage year also, I think I will get the box of 15 graded and keep the rest sealed.

KASHMAN02 | 07-05-2007 08:38 PM
Re: Have my 2007Ws graded?? Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 655132) hey where is a link to this product on their website? cant seem to find it. thanks
Here is the link. http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wcs...category=10191

KASHMAN02 | 07-05-2007 08:42 PM
Re: Have my 2007Ws graded?? Quote:
Originally Posted by Master_Ho (Post 654928) I talked PCGS this morning - they WILL grade these coins at MS70 if they deserve it!! If you get it in within 30 days of the release of the coin, they will give it a First Strike label as well, sealed box or not.....after 30 days the box must be sealed from the Mint for that label. Again, we know the label is a bit of a sham (its not the first coin off the presses - just the first to be mailed out the door) - but people DO put a premium on them and they ARE selling for more! So the First Strike label is a perk for being fast on the grading. Cheers!
Thought that , dont know if pcgs will be at the fun show, I spoke to NGC and they will, seems like they are gaining a very large share of the sae business and commanding prices as well as pcgs now, more so than past years.

Master_Ho | 07-05-2007 09:33 PM
Re: Have my 2007Ws graded?? Quote:
Originally Posted by KASHMAN02 (Post 655151) I have sealed boxes with printouts of mint orders showing shipping on June 13, I see they have problems and the date for the others keeps getting pushed back, now July 20 so this could very well be a low mintage year also, I think I will get the box of 15 graded and keep the rest sealed.
I keep hearing stuff - and my sense of it all is that the Mint greatly overestimated how much they could mint in a year - and production problems have pushed dates back. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> For example - there were suppose to be Buffaloes in various increments, but after all the announcements turns out they put them out in 1 oz, but not the other sizes. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> They have SO MANY different coins, state quarters, Presidential dollars, First Ladies, three different eagles - I expected problems and am surprised they didn't.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Low mintage - now that I am not sure about - it might be but then I think - well, if they get them minted and out - then it should be a normal mintage.......<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> I think your plan is a good one - it seems to cover most bets!<o:p></o:p>

Anty Ep | 07-05-2007 09:40 PM
Re: Have my 2007Ws graded?? Quote:
Originally Posted by KASHMAN02 (Post 655152) Here is the link. http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wcs...category=10191
why is it that the proofs are listed, http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wcs...category=10191 and the Ws listed at your link, but what about the regular SAEs? I guess I expected to see three different SAE products listed and I can only find these two.

Master_Ho | 07-05-2007 09:40 PM
Re: Have my 2007Ws graded?? Quote:
Originally Posted by KASHMAN02 (Post 655164) Thought that , dont know if pcgs will be at the fun show, I spoke to NGC and they will, seems like they are gaining a very large share of the sae business and commanding prices as well as pcgs now, more so than past years.
They are mainly cause they are grading fast (and easy) for the TV coin shows - after the Buffaloes, NGC starting losing some of their credibility and now PCGS will learn a bit more on re-sale........also check Ebay and APMEX, just two of many sources, and you'll see PCGS is getting more for similar items because their grading is considered by many (and I am one too after the Buffaloes) to be better.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> NGC graded something like 9 times more MS70 Buffaloes than PCGS.......because they were told to do it fast and get it out the door for TV sales.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Also check prices for the 20th Anniversary Silver sets, or individual coins in both places. Plus, I have had numerous coin dealers tell me they do not consider NGC as good as PCGS - NGC is for when you want a coin you don't think PCGS will grade as high as you'd like it. A lot of dealers have said that or similar things.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> And, for the record, I am not connected to ANY grading service or coin business.........I am trying to be impartial and fair here - but the prices on the two Do show a marked difference, and I do know it starting getting out of hand with the Buffalo grading.<o:p></o:p> Cheers!

Master_Ho | 07-05-2007 09:42 PM
Re: Have my 2007Ws graded?? Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 655215) why is it that the proofs are listed, http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wcs...category=10191 and the Ws listed at your link, but what about the regular SAEs? I guess I expected to see three different SAE products listed and I can only find these two.
Try this! http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wcs...egory_rn=13738

KASHMAN02 | 07-05-2007 09:57 PM
Re: Have my 2007Ws graded?? Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 655215) why is it that the proofs are listed, http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wcs...category=10191 and the Ws listed at your link, but what about the regular SAEs? I guess I expected to see three different SAE products listed and I can only find these two.
You can't buy the regular sae at the mint, has to be from a dealer.

KASHMAN02 | 07-05-2007 09:58 PM
Re: Have my 2007Ws graded?? Quote:
Originally Posted by Master_Ho (Post 655219) Try this! http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wcs...egory_rn=13738
Thats the W, not the regular sae.

KASHMAN02 | 07-05-2007 10:00 PM
Re: Have my 2007Ws graded?? Quote:
Originally Posted by Master_Ho (Post 655216) They are mainly cause they are grading fast (and easy) for the TV coin shows - after the Buffaloes, NGC starting losing some of their credibility and now PCGS will learn a bit more on re-sale........also check Ebay and APMEX, just two of many sources, and you'll see PCGS is getting more for similar items because their grading is considered by many (and I am one too after the Buffaloes) to be better.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> NGC graded something like 9 times more MS70 Buffaloes than PCGS.......because they were told to do it fast and get it out the door for TV sales.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Also check prices for the 20th Anniversary Silver sets, or individual coins in both places. Plus, I have had numerous coin dealers tell me they do not consider NGC as good as PCGS - NGC is for when you want a coin you don't think PCGS will grade as high as you'd like it. A lot of dealers have said that or similar things.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> And, for the record, I am not connected to ANY grading service or coin business.........I am trying to be impartial and fair here - but the prices on the two Do show a marked difference, and I do know it starting getting out of hand with the Buffalo grading.<o:p></o:p> Cheers!
Agreed, for a while NGC was going like a mill, PCGS still stands as the most recongized grader. I think NGC finally realized they were losing their respect in the market and turned around.

Master_Ho | 07-05-2007 10:33 PM
Re: Have my 2007Ws graded?? Quote:
Originally Posted by KASHMAN02 (Post 655227) Thats the W, not the regular sae.
As someone else said - the regular uncirculated coin has no W and you can not buy it from the mint - only coin dealers!!

Anty Ep | 07-05-2007 11:35 PM
Re: Have my 2007Ws graded?? ok thanks for straightening me out on that valuable resource this forum

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