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AGRO | 06-22-2009 11:11 PM
How Coin Dealers Make Money - Article Evening, I Found this article while stumbling around the net. Thought it was interesting, wanted to share. Hope you enjoy it. AGRO- Quote:
How Coin Dealers Make Money by Michael E. Marotta � Copyright 2001 by Michael E. Marotta Bofoyo@aol.com and others on rec.collecting.coins have bemoaned the spreads between buy and sell. Dealers charge more than double of "Trends" for material that they will not buy except at half of "Trends" because they have no market for the coins. This infuriates collectors. The blame lies with public education. Public education is modeled on parochial schooling, of course. Neither the moochers of Bleeding Heart Academy, nor the looters of Franklin Kennedy High understand the free market. This is why graduate schools beg entrepreneurs to establish seminars in business. Schools train employees who consume. They do not create entrepreneurs who produce. Naive coin collectors think that Greysheet, Redbook, or Trends are like the fliers of grocery stores. Your IGA Store says that they will sell 12 ounce Campbell's Chicken Noodle Soup for 89 cents and you go in and you find it on the shelf and if it is not that price (or less), you can raise a fuss. I know a coin dealer who, when someone waves a Greysheet at him, says, "If Greysheet will sell it to you for $45, go buy it from them. This one is $60." (Or: "If Trends will pay $30, go sell it to them. I pay $25.") Greysheet and Trends and Redbook and Blackbook are just opinions of people who are far away and not willing to put their money on the line. The IGA really has soup for sale. The Coin Dealer Newsletter does not actually have coins for sale. If this makes you angry, direct your anger at the teachers and professors who did not explain to you that past prices are irrelevant in today's market. Businesses and individuals plan for the future -- and, this is risky. Governments live in the past. Governments exist to rectify past injustices by punishing lawbreakers. The agoric way to deal with crime is to prevent it. Watch an insurance commercial and you will get the idea. Greysheet and Trends are the results of "govern-mentality" in numismatics. A coin dealer makes money -- literally makes it from nothing -- by knowing people who want coins. The dealer sells these people the coins they want at a price they are willing to pay. These collectors will only pay less than they think the coins are worth. To get coins for these customers, the dealer must know many other people with coins. And to buy their coins, the dealer must offer them more than they think their coins are worth. These are basic facts of economics that apply to all transactions. (See, for instance, Human Action by Ludwig von Mises.) Greysheet, Redbook, etc., are only summary approximations of past activities. Some silver dollar is listed at $240. A certain Half Eagle is listed at $250. They were recently evaluated at about equal relative supply and demand by the dealers anonymously reporting to the publisher. That is it. A dealer can -- and usually does -- have thousands of "rare" and "valuable" coins. Without customers to buy them he will go to bed hungry. Therefore, dealers minimize their risks. The lower the risk, the narrower the spread between buy and sell. That is another fact of the marketplace. Collectors are shocked to discover how little their coins are really worth -- or how hard it is to sell them. Any collector who wants the full retail price for their coins should rent a table at a show or pay for an advertisement in a periodical. A taste of this will make the dealer's offer seem sweeter. Collectors fall in love with the objects of their passion. The collector is not rational or objective or patient. Therefore, the collector cannot understand why "everyone" does not want the same coins he did when he wants to sell them. He did not see those coins languishing in a vault for years and years before he bought them. Why does the dealer not sell the coins cheaper to get rid of them and make his money by turning it over more often? First of all, the dealer sells the coins as cheap as he has to or he cannot sell them at all. Secondly, he has to replace the inventory, so he cannot sell for less than replacement cost -- and collectors demand top dollar for their material. Third, he is in no hurry to sell, so the present time utility is less for him and the future value is greater. Fourth, dealers are greedy, grasping, clutching, money-grubbing scavengers who would rather puke up their lungs than sell a coin for less than they paid for it -- as is their divine right. The collector also enjoys this same right. How the dealer runs his shop is his own business -- and none of yours, if you please, thank you. As denizens of cyberspace, we all hate spam. And we really hate phony get-rich-quick schemes. Yet, the coin dealer is subjected to dozens of such offers each day. Collector spam takes the form of yet another assemblage of common coins for which the collector wants uncommon prices. Or, worse, it comes in the form of some oddball rarity with little or no demand. Each collector presents the same get-rich-quick spam: "If you buy these coins from me, you can sell them at a great profit." Well, if these coins are so profitable, why does the collector not sell them to another collector at retail? The coin dealer lives in a world of risk. Risk is a numerical fact with measurable dimensions. If it is likely that you will lose money, then chances are that if you risk your money, you will lose it. The fact cannot be argued or begged or commanded or prayed away. The coin dealer lowers his risk with information. He knows coins. He knows people. He makes his money by serving as a conduit between the people who have coins and the people who want them. However, unlike Wheat or Butter, coins are not a homogenous commodity. They are graded by time, place, type, wear, and defects that appear only with a microscope. Coin collectors will not accept a coin of "equal" value in place of another. Try telling a collector of Walking Liberties that the 38-D in VF can be matched with a Tibetan 1 Sho from 1820 Craig 83. After all, they have the same retail value according to the Standard Catalog of World Coins. Then, try explaining to the collector with the Tibetan Sho why his coin is not worth the same price as the 38-D Walking Liberty. The coin dealer will attempt to forecast the future. He will offer a price that acquires the material and still minimizes his risk. After paying for the coin, he will still eat and stay warm even though he has less money than he did before he bought the coins. The dealer will wait for a collector whose passion commands him to acquire the coin at any price. � Copyright 1998 by Michael E. Marotta

AGRO | 06-22-2009 11:26 PM
Re: How Coin Dealers Make Money - Article For reference: From Wiki Tibetan Sho http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...alf_sho_58.jpg https://www.texasgoldcoins.com/merch...rty-1938-D.jpg

Jekyll7 | 06-23-2009 01:11 AM
Re: How Coin Dealers Make Money - Article It's hard for a lot of people to accept that their common date MS-63 coins are not worth full book value to a dealer (or anyone else). Therein lies the problem with guides - they tend to over price the junk that nobody really wants, and they can't predict how strong the determination (and wallet) of a serious collector will be to obtain a rare date or condition-rare date they need. In recent times, I've been seeing even the more scarce stuff doing semi-mediocre when put up for sale. I'd be shitting a brick right now if I was a dealer that didn't do any bullion business.

AusDigger | 06-24-2009 10:00 AM
Re: How Coin Dealers Make Money - Article Quote:
How Coin Dealers Make Money
Buy cheap; sell dear.

CoinHunter53562 | 06-24-2009 10:47 AM
Re: How Coin Dealers Make Money - Article Just like any other hobby, price guides are just that....a guide. I get a kick out of people thinking their coin is worth x amount because the guide says it's worth x amount, and then they bitch when a dealer offers them 70% of x. The dealer may then mark the price as x, but anyone who has been to a coin show or coin shop knows the prices arent fixed like a grocery store. There's nothing wrong with negotiating the price at a shop or show, but too many people seem to lack the spine to offer less. Hell, if I was a dealer and paid $70 for a coin, marked it up to $100, and then someone offered me $90 for it, of course I am going to sell it. These same price guides will tell you that a common date Walking Liberty in VF condition has a value of $7.50 when reality says that the coin will be traded as junk silver, so the point is that any guide is not necessarily the final word. The article also does make a good point about those expecting to get full retail for their coins...set up a table at a coin show, set up an ecommerce site, or open up a shop if you expect full retail and then see how that goes.

CoinHunter53562 | 06-24-2009 10:49 AM
Re: How Coin Dealers Make Money - Article Quote:
Originally Posted by AusDigger (Post 1784195) Buy cheap; sell dear.
Buy low, sell high is the saying we use in the states. Although you dont really have to "sell high" or "buy low" to make alot of money. Knowing what your customer base demands, and knowing what to pay to acquire these items is the key. They say the money is made when you buy something, not when you sell it, so making smart buying decisions is the key.

Sparky | 06-24-2009 11:23 AM
Re: How Coin Dealers Make Money - Article All price guides for all collectibles should list a retail "buy" and "sell" price. Even if the prices quickly become stale, it establishes the concept that the price you pay as a collector will exceed the price you receive as a seller, and provides some baseline for legitimate spreads.

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