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Anty Ep | 08-07-2007 11:47 PM
what is a "slider." great article on grading. they are talking about "sliders" even though they dont name the term Quote:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=498 bgColor=#ffffff border=0><TBODY><TR align=left><TD width=5 bgColor=#ffffff> </TD><TD vAlign=center bgColor=#ffffff><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>AU-58 coins often worth </TD></TR><TR class=tinyMajor><TD>8/13/2007 </TD></TR><TR><TD> By Mark Ferguson COIN VALUES Market Analyst Over the years About Uncirculated 58 graded coins have been called "Super Sliders," "Borderline Uncirculated," "Unc. with rub" or other interesting terms. Coins graded AU-58 just miss being full Mint State because they have a slight amount of friction on the design high points. The difference between an AU-58 coin and an AU-55 piece, with the same level of slight wear, is usually in the number of contact marks on the coins. An AU-58 coin should have fewer contact marks. Many coins deserve the AU-58 grade because they've been dipped in a light cleaning solution, have light friction or other minor detracting problems. However, a beautiful, originally toned AU-58 coin is often much more attractive looking than coins graded MS-60 or MS-61. Morgan dollars grading MS-60 or MS-61, for example, may have large contact marks that terribly deface these coins. Other problems that plague many low-grade Mint State coins are spots, dark or blotchy toning, light cleaning, light scratches and even weak strikes. How do coins develop only slight wear? Many Mint State pieces, especially early U.S. coins, have developed "cabinet friction" over the years from being taken out of and put back into coin cabinets, envelopes, albums or other holders that house them. Some of today's grading services have recognized this and are grading such coins as Mint State, whereas years ago these would most likely have been graded as AU. Many AU-58 coins have sold over the years at extremely high prices in relation to other About Uncirculated and low-grade Mint State coins. Their buyers may think they have a good chance of cracking them out of their AU-58 holders to resubmit for grading in hopes of gaining a Mint State grade, making them worth much more money than as AU coins, or the coins are just simply more appealing. Several examples that sold at major auctions during recent years illustrate this phenomenon. It's unclear whether such coins were candidates for crackouts and upgrades, or were just superb About Uncirculated examples with strong eye appeal. Two such pieces are 1795 Flowing Hair half dimes that sold in 2006 in auctions by Ira & Larry Goldberg Auctioneers and Heritage Auction Galleries. One coin was graded AU-58 by Numismatic Guaranty Corp. and the other by Professional Coin Grading Service (the Heritage coin). They each brought $12,650, which was the equivalent value for an MS-62 example, when typical AU-58 pieces were selling for between $8,000 and $9,000. A PCGS AU-58 1826 Capped Bust half dollar sold in January 2007 in a Stack's auction for $3,220, which was equivalent to an MS-64 price. Another AU-58 example of the 1826 half dollar, again graded by PCGS, sold a year and a half earlier by Superior Galleries for just $1,265. One final example is extreme, but illustrates the lengths people will go to for nice coins. A 1901 Morgan dollar graded AU-58 by PCGS brought $4,600 in a 2004 Stack's sale; the winner paid an MS-62 price. A dozen other AU-58 1901 Morgan dollars sold for between $1,100 and $1,900 around the same time. Eye appeal often makes all the difference in the world for a coin's selling price! </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Master_Ho | 08-08-2007 12:07 AM
Re: what is a "slider." Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 688476) great article on grading. they are talking about "sliders" even though they dont name the term
Actually - they do in the first sentence! "Super Sliders," But yes, a really good article - thanks for sharing!

Streets Of Gold | 08-08-2007 01:25 AM
Re: what is a "slider." 2 Attachment(s) It's Attachment 31514 from here Attachment 31515

Master_Ho | 08-08-2007 01:34 AM
Re: what is a "slider." :haha::haha::haha::haha::haha: Really.....that was great!!!

The Great Ag | 08-08-2007 01:37 AM
Re: what is a "slider." Thanks Anty Ep. Good article and true, too. The Great Ag

PatColo | 08-08-2007 02:30 AM
Re: what is a "slider." Quote:
Originally Posted by Streets Of Gold (Post 688545) It's Attachment 31514 from here Attachment 31515
I actually wrote up a little reply to this thread dealing with White Castle, then hit cancel. What I'd heard about White Castle (WC) was vulgar, and uncorroborated! I only first heard the "slider" nickname for their burgers last year, from a fat disgusting fellow who lives in Lawrence KS. He drug me into my first WC experience. Personally I wasn't impressed with them, ?!?! But at least now I know the guy wasn't making up the stuff about WC's offerings being nicknamed, "sliders". :wavey:

TomD | 08-08-2007 08:05 AM
Re: what is a "slider." Didn't know about the White Castle connection. For decades at least, in the Navy, sliders have been hamburgers. I wonder what came first, the civilian or military term.

RossL | 08-08-2007 08:23 AM
Re: what is a "slider." Quote:
Originally Posted by PatColo (Post 688571) I only first heard the "slider" nickname for their burgers last year, from a fat disgusting fellow who lives in Lawrence KS. He drug me into my first WC experience. Personally I wasn't impressed with them, ?!?!
White Castle is an acquired taste. If you eat them when you are young, then you can tolerate them as an adult. Otherwise, you need alcohol. The White Castles have not only a lunchtime crowd, but also a crowd after the bars close.:tongue_ma:

TomD | 08-08-2007 08:54 AM
Re: what is a "slider." We don't have White Castle down here but there is Krystal, which I guess is the same thing. Very late on Saturday night, we used to buy giant bags of the things for 5 cents each.

beercritic | 08-08-2007 09:00 AM
Re: what is a "slider." Quote:
Originally Posted by RossL (Post 688692) White Castle is an acquired taste. If you eat them when you are young, then you can tolerate them as an adult. Otherwise, you need alcohol.
I never could seem to get enough alcohol ingested, to down a WC. Ick! Don't get me started on Skyline Chili, either. Nasty stuff. Yet some folks crave it.

RossL | 08-08-2007 09:08 AM
Re: what is a "slider." Quote:
Originally Posted by beercritic (Post 688716) Don't get me started on Skyline Chili, either. Nasty stuff. Yet some folks crave it.
NO! Skyline is good

beercritic | 08-08-2007 09:37 AM
Re: what is a "slider." Quote:
Originally Posted by RossL (Post 688721) NO! Skyline is good
I'll put you in the "some folks crave it" camp. Are you from the Cinci area? I lived in Dayton for 25 years & never did develop a tolerance for the Cinci style Chili. Skyline is a good emetic, tho. JMHO YMMV

TomD | 08-08-2007 09:45 AM
Re: what is a "slider." Either of you guys ever hear comedian Ron White on Ohio chili?

beercritic | 08-08-2007 09:50 AM
Re: what is a "slider." Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 688752) Either of you guys ever hear comedian Ron White on Ohio chili?
I have not, do you have a link? I've heard some of Ron's stuff. Pretty damned funny.

Big_Rob | 08-08-2007 09:56 AM
Re: what is a "slider." Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 688752) Either of you guys ever hear comedian Ron White on Ohio chili?
LOL, I know exactly what bit you're talking about. Cincinnati, the chili capital of the woild! :s9:

RossL | 08-08-2007 10:29 AM
Re: what is a "slider." Quote:
Originally Posted by beercritic (Post 688738) I lived in Dayton for 25 years & never did develop a tolerance for the Cinci style Chili.
Did you ever have a Miami Trace beer?

Dymaxion42 | 08-08-2007 11:24 AM
Re: what is a "slider." 1 Attachment(s) Sliders are not just low-brow. Check out the cover of this month's Bon Appetit magazine: (sorry, couldn't find a bigger picture) Dymaxion

RealJack | 08-08-2007 12:37 PM
Re: what is a "slider." They may "slide" in, but they sure don't "slide" out. :bear_w00t:

beercritic | 08-08-2007 01:47 PM
Re: what is a "slider." Quote:
Originally Posted by RossL (Post 688797) Did you ever have a Miami Trace beer?
If you meant "Miami Trail" (from Xenia), then YES! Probably 100's of them.

RossL | 08-08-2007 02:11 PM
Re: what is a "slider." Quote:
Originally Posted by beercritic (Post 689021) If you meant "Miami Trail" (from Xenia), then YES! Probably 100's of them.
That was it. Miami Trail. My memory is failing. :confused_ma: I have had a few of those myself!

Anty Ep | 08-08-2007 03:34 PM
Re: what is a "slider." ok I like white castle sliders but my wife hates em. why, they are gross she says. anyhow I thought they might have used the word slider after Id typed that and just missed it but I been busy and didnt have time to check. I am going to keep posting these articles, I get a feed from a coin dealer who picks the good ones, Joel Rettew of fastcoin.com

RossL | 08-08-2007 03:43 PM
Re: what is a "slider." Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 689185) ok I like white castle sliders but my wife hates em. why, they are gross she says.
My wife says the exact same thing. Sorry to hijack your thread :bull-buddy-icon:

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