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BullRider | 02-04-2010 06:34 PM
Poll - Spot Fake $10 Liberty Heads 6 Attachment(s) Spot fake $10 Liberty Heads Weight: 1882 16,76gr 1889 16,70gr Dimensions: Same by touch and visual Edge: The reeds on the 1882 are more crisp and distinct, on the 1892 softer and more rounded. Edit: Adding Pictures

Irons | 02-04-2010 09:01 PM
Re: Poll - Spot Fake $10 Liberty Heads I can spot the differences, but I don't know enough about them to say which is fake. Thats why I don't buy numi coins!

livtocruz | 02-04-2010 11:58 PM
Re: Poll - Spot Fake $10 Liberty Heads Damn, wish I had my 1901 in hand but, it's at NGC for grading. I used a couple of scans of my 1901 and enlarged them to 200% It was not perfectly clear but gave me enough to pick the 1882.

latemetal | 02-05-2010 07:06 AM
Re: Poll - Spot Fake $10 Liberty Heads The weight for both coins is right and both seem to be common dates, I'll guess neither is fake. I DON'T touch nusimatics, bullion only.:Surrender:

Mongrel | 02-05-2010 08:32 AM
Re: Poll - Spot Fake $10 Liberty Heads 1892 has mint luster, kinda hard to get that on a fake!! :9536::coolbeer:

madfranks | 02-05-2010 09:28 AM
Re: Poll - Spot Fake $10 Liberty Heads Without knowing the thickness of the coins, we don't have all the dimensions necessary to confirm if they're real or not. I am detecting what I believe to be casting marks along the rims of each coin, therefore I am going out on a limb and saying that both are fake. Bull Rider, when are you going to tell us what's what?

BullRider | 02-05-2010 10:06 AM
Re: Poll - Spot Fake $10 Liberty Heads Sorry for not replying so soon. You guys are very quick with this! I could not measure the thickness since I don't have any good tools for that. But visually and by feel the thickness is the same. Yes, the 1882 is fake, and the 1892 is real. A very good result in the poll for GIM. The weight of the 1882 is too high, even if it is very small I don't think it is within reasonable deviation. +/- 258 grains = +/- 16,718 grams. There are several signs - - like the casting marks on the 1882 (Eagle side, over Ten D) - some areas on the mirror are "grainy". - different look on the ends of the banner (In God We Trust) - Details are not so distinct, if looking carefully that can be seen on many places over the coin, a good example is the Curly locks on the Liberty's throat. I did buy this coin on an internet auction, where the pictures were "ok" but not as good as the pictures I posted here. I sent sent it back to the seller with no problems once I pointed out that it was not legit. Thanks for participating everyone! Will post a set of pics from a couple of Gaudens too.

cpthnsolo | 02-05-2010 11:02 AM
Re: Poll - Spot Fake $10 Liberty Heads Quote:
Originally Posted by BullRider (Post 2163875) There are several signs - - like the casting marks on the 1882 (Eagle side, over Ten D) - some areas on the mirror are "grainy". - different look on the ends of the banner (In God We Trust) - Details are not so distinct, if looking carefully that can be seen on many places over the coin, a good example is the Curly locks on the Liberty's throat.
I'm new to the numi's game but the last two differences listed above jumped out at me. Unfortunately I didn't recognize the the problem with a "grainy" surface or the casting marks, even though I knew to look for casting marks, so I have more to learn before buying vintage US gold. Quote:
Thanks for participating everyone! Will post a set of pics from a couple of Gaudens too.
Looking forward to seeing them :).

livtocruz | 02-05-2010 01:41 PM
Re: Poll - Spot Fake $10 Liberty Heads Quote:
Originally Posted by BullRider (Post 2163875) Sorry for not replying so soon. You guys are very quick with this! I could not measure the thickness since I don't have any good tools for that. But visually and by feel the thickness is the same. Yes, the 1882 is fake, and the 1892 is real. A very good result in the poll for GIM. The weight of the 1882 is too high, even if it is very small I don't think it is within reasonable deviation. +/- 258 grains = +/- 16,718 grams. There are several signs - - like the casting marks on the 1882 (Eagle side, over Ten D) - some areas on the mirror are "grainy". - different look on the ends of the banner (In God We Trust) - Details are not so distinct, if looking carefully that can be seen on many places over the coin, a good example is the Curly locks on the Liberty's throat. I did buy this coin on an internet auction, where the pictures were "ok" but not as good as the pictures I posted here. I sent sent it back to the seller with no problems once I pointed out that it was not legit. Thanks for participating everyone! Will post a set of pics from a couple of Gaudens too.
That was what caught my attention when comparing with my 1901. :applause_

RossL | 02-05-2010 01:56 PM
Re: Poll - Spot Fake $10 Liberty Heads look at the bottom arrowhead on the fake 1882. The scratch starts below the arrowhead. the arrowhead itself is not scratched, then the scratch starts again above the arrowhead. I've never seen anything like that on a real coin.

BullRider | 02-05-2010 02:02 PM
Re: Poll - Spot Fake $10 Liberty Heads Quote:
Originally Posted by RossL (Post 2164286) look at the bottom arrowhead on the fake 1882. The scratch starts below the arrowhead. the arrowhead itself is not scratched, then the scratch starts again above the arrowhead. I've never seen anything like that on a real coin.
Good catch! I did notice it too but did not mention it.

SLV>GLD | 02-05-2010 02:06 PM
Re: Poll - Spot Fake $10 Liberty Heads "Liberty" in the tiara and "In God We Trust" in the banner were the giveaways to me. Suffice to say I cannot do very well at this when both coins are fake, I must have a known good sample to compare against.

BullRider | 02-05-2010 02:12 PM
Re: Poll - Spot Fake $10 Liberty Heads Quote:
Originally Posted by SLV>GLD (Post 2164308) "Liberty" in the tiara and "In God We Trust" in the banner were the giveaways to me. Suffice to say I cannot do very well at this when both coins are fake, I must have a known good sample to compare against.
Yes, it can be real tricky without a real example to compare with! On fakes they can't ever seem to get the text perfect, it just does not look right. At least on the ones that I have seen.

Apocalypto | 02-05-2010 03:55 PM
Re: Poll - Spot Fake $10 Liberty Heads Quote:
Originally Posted by BullRider (Post 2163875) Sorry for not replying so soon. You guys are very quick with this! I could not measure the thickness since I don't have any good tools for that. But visually and by feel the thickness is the same. Yes, the 1882 is fake, and the 1892 is real. A very good result in the poll for GIM. The weight of the 1882 is too high, even if it is very small I don't think it is within reasonable deviation. +/- 258 grains = +/- 16,718 grams. There are several signs - - like the casting marks on the 1882 (Eagle side, over Ten D) - some areas on the mirror are "grainy". - different look on the ends of the banner (In God We Trust) - Details are not so distinct, if looking carefully that can be seen on many places over the coin, a good example is the Curly locks on the Liberty's throat. I did buy this coin on an internet auction, where the pictures were "ok" but not as good as the pictures I posted here. I sent sent it back to the seller with no problems once I pointed out that it was not legit. Thanks for participating everyone! Will post a set of pics from a couple of Gaudens too.
Very interesting that you point that out and it was concurred by another member. My eyes were drawn to the mouth / lips. On fake Morgans that'salso an area that the counterfeiters also can't seem to get right. Tthe best places to look are sometimes the face / head area, as these are particularly hard to get right, since they are expression-based.

Jekyll7 | 02-05-2010 09:16 PM
Re: Poll - Spot Fake $10 Liberty Heads There's also a blunder extending from the left wing out to the denticles. Not a great quality fake, but good enough to be dangerous.

JayDubya | 02-05-2010 09:49 PM
Re: Poll - Spot Fake $10 Liberty Heads Thanks for the lesson. This is the kind of info you dont get just anywhere. Looking forward to seeing the pics of your saints.

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