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Anty Ep | 07-10-2007 01:31 PM
best price Spanish milled dollar I want a Spanish 8 reale milled dollar, nothin fancy, say F to VF. whats a good price and vendor? I see a lot out there on the net in the $300 range

Anty Ep | 07-10-2007 01:44 PM
Re: best price Spanish milled dollar it looks like there are two basic types, the milled bust and milled pillar.

Anty Ep | 07-20-2007 09:56 PM
Re: best price Spanish milled dollar this dude has a ton of Spanish coins but I'm wondering if better prices can be found elsewhere. http://stores.ebay.com/Rare-Silver-a...Colonial-Coins

Floyd | 07-20-2007 10:13 PM
Re: best price Spanish milled dollar I'd like to have one as well since it was what set the example. Have you seen how much they cost. I'd be curious. I just mainly didn't want you to think that you were typing to yourself. People were starting to look. ;-)

Anty Ep | 07-22-2007 05:03 PM
Re: best price Spanish milled dollar Quote:
Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 670246) I'd like to have one as well since it was what set the example. Have you seen how much they cost. I'd be curious. I just mainly didn't want you to think that you were typing to yourself. People were starting to look. ;-)
thanks floyd glad you take an interest in this I have seen a lot of Spanish treasure wreck gold and silver out there. I went to Mel Fisher's store in early January right before it closed. He brought up "the Atocha" and had a retail shop in Kissimee, where we were for a little vacation. I didnt buy any then but sure did eyeball the stuff closely. To answer, the cheapest I have seen, are at that guy's store; he had a bunch of Spanish milled silver coins that had been holed at the top, for about $20 each, cant recall the weight.

Anty Ep | 10-16-2007 09:32 AM
Re: best price Spanish milled dollar somebody asked me about the reale. its a great coin. this is my reale thread. it was legal tender in colonial and early days of USA read here a decent article Quote:
Spanish dollar From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia � Learn more about using Wikipedia for research � Jump to: navigation, search <!-- start content --><TABLE align=right><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 0.75em; FONT-SIZE: 139%; WIDTH: 250px; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.2em; TEXT-ALIGN: center">Spanish dollars </TD></TR><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 2em; FONT-SIZE: 89%; WIDTH: 250px; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.4em">In 1794, the U.S. Mint used the Spanish silver dollar as a template for the U. S. silver dollar, so many numismatists believe that the Spanish eight real coin was the forerunner of the U.S. dollar. Spanish dollars were cut into halves, quarters, and eighths and were known as "pieces of eight." Click on any image for a closer view.</TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE style="CLEAR: right; BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; BACKGROUND: #f9f9f9; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 1em; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" align=right><TBODY><TR><TH style="PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; WIDTH: 246px; PADDING-TOP: 2px" colSpan=2>Silver 8 real coin of Philip V of Spain, 1739</TH></TR><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid" colSpan=2>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...lip_V_Coin.jpg</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 85%; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; WIDTH: 121px; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid">Reverse <SMALL>VTRAQVE VNUM M[EXICANUS] 1739 "Both (are) one, Mexico [City Mint], 1739" Displays two hemispheres of a world map, crowned between the Pillars of Hercules adorned with the PLVS VLTR[A] motto.</SMALL>.</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; WIDTH: 121px; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid">Obverse <SMALL>PHILIP[PUS] V D[EI] G[RATIA] HISPAN[IARUM] ET IND[IARUM] REX "Philip V, by the Grace of God, King of the Spains and the Indies" Displays the arms of Castile and Le�n with Granada in base and an inescutcheon of Anjou.</SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE style="CLEAR: right; BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; BACKGROUND: #f9f9f9; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 1em; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" align=right><TBODY><TR><TH style="PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; WIDTH: 246px; PADDING-TOP: 2px" colSpan=2>Silver 8 real coin of Ferdinand VI of Spain, 1753</TH></TR><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid" colSpan=2>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nd_VI_Coin.jpg</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 85%; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; WIDTH: 121px; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid">Reverse <SMALL>VTRAQVE VNUM M[EXICAUNS] 1753 M "Both (are) one, Mexico [City Mint], 1753." Displays two hemispheres of a world map, crowned between the Pillars of Hercules adorned with the PLVS VLT[R]A motto.</SMALL>.</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; WIDTH: 121px; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid">Obverse <SMALL>FERD[INA]ND[US] VI D[EI] G[RATIA] HISPAN[IARUM] ET IND[IARUM] REX "Ferdinand VI, by the Grace of God, King of the Spains and the Indies" Displays the arms of Castile and Le�n with Granada in base and an inescutcheon of Anjou.</SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE style="CLEAR: right; BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; BACKGROUND: #f9f9f9; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 1em; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" align=right><TBODY><TR><TH style="PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; WIDTH: 246px; PADDING-TOP: 2px" colSpan=2>Silver 8 real coin of Charles III of Spain, 1776</TH></TR><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid" colSpan=2>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s_III_Coin.jpg</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 85%; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; WIDTH: 121px; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid">Obverse <SMALL>CAROLUS III DEI GRATIA 1776 "Charles III by the Grace of God, 1776" Right profile of Charles III in toga with laurel wreath.</SMALL>.</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; WIDTH: 121px; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid">Reverse <SMALL>HISPAN[IARUM] ET IND[IARUM] REX M[EXICANUS] 8 R[EALES] F M "King of the Spains and the Indies, Mexico [City Mint], 8 reales" Crowned Spanish arms between the Pillars of Hercules adorned with PLVS VLTRA motto.</SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE style="CLEAR: right; BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; BACKGROUND: #f9f9f9; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 1em; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" align=right><TBODY><TR><TH style="PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; WIDTH: 246px; PADDING-TOP: 2px" colSpan=2>Silver 8 real coin of King Charles IV of Spain, 1806</TH></TR><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid" colSpan=2>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...os_IV_Coin.jpg</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 85%; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; WIDTH: 121px; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid">Obverse <SMALL>CAROLUS IIII DEI GRATIA 1806 "Charles IV by the Grace of God, 1806." Right profile of Charles III in soldier's dress with laurel wreath. It was under the reign of this monarch that the last series of Spanish dollars were struck before the United States Mint began the U.S. silver dollar in 1794.</SMALL>.</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; WIDTH: 121px; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid">Reverse <SMALL>HISPAN[IARUM] ET IND[IARUM] REX M[EXICANUS] 8 R[EALES] T H"King of the Spains and the Indies, Mexico [City Mint], 8 Reales." Crowned Spanish arms between the Pillars of Hercules adorned with PLVS VLTRA motto.</SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE style="CLEAR: right; BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; BACKGROUND: #f9f9f9; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 1em; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" align=right><TBODY><TR><TH style="PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; WIDTH: 246px; PADDING-TOP: 2px" colSpan=2>Silver 8 real coin of Ferdinand VII of Spain, 1821</TH></TR><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid" colSpan=2>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...d_VII_Coin.jpg</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 85%; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; WIDTH: 121px; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid">Obverse <SMALL>FERDIN[ANDUS] VII DEI GRATIA 1821"Ferdinand VII by the Grace of God, 1821." Right profile of Ferdinand VII with cloak and laurel wreath.</SMALL></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: #cccccc 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; WIDTH: 121px; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #cccccc 1px solid">Reverse <SMALL>HISPAN[IARUM] ET IND[IARUM] REX M[EXICANUS] 8 R[EALES] I I"King of the Spains and the Indies, Mexico [City Mint], 8 reales." Crowned Spanish arms between the Pillars of Hercules adorned with PLVS VLTRA motto.</SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>The Spanish dollar (also known as the "piece of eight" or the eight real coin) is the silver coin, worth eight reales, that was minted in the Spanish Empire after a Spanish currency reform in 1497. It was legal tender in the United States until an Act of the United States Congress discontinued the practice in 1857. Through widespread use in Europe the Americas and the Far East, it became the first world currency by the late 18th century. Many existing currencies, such as the Canadian dollar, United States dollar and the Chinese yuan, as well as currencies in Latin America and the Philippines are based on the Spanish dollar.<SUP class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</SUP> Today the term peso is sometimes used interchangeably to include the historic Spanish eight real coin. This is primarily because pesos were of similar weight and diameter to the eight real coin. However the term peso did not appear on Spanish coinage until 1864, and it is more accurate to refer to the older coinage as the eight real coin, which was also called the Spanish dollar or colloquially "a piece of eight." <TABLE class=toc id=toc summary=Contents><TBODY><TR><TD>Contents [hide] <LI class=toclevel-1>1 History <LI class=toclevel-2>1.1 Spain <LI class=toclevel-2>1.2 Mexico 1.3 United States <LI class=toclevel-1>2 In fiction 2.1 Fictional portrayals <LI class=toclevel-1>3 See also 4 External link </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><SCRIPT type=text/javascript>//<![CDATA[ if (window.showTocToggle) { var tocShowText = "show"; var tocHideText = "hide"; showTocToggle(); } //]]></SCRIPT> [edit] History [edit] Spain Following the introduction of the Guldengroschen in Austria in 1486, the concept of a large silver coin with high purity (sometimes known as "specie" coinage) eventually spread throughout the rest of Europe. Monetary reform in Spain brought about the introduction of an 8 reales coin in 1497. The coin was minted with several different designs in the following centuries at various mints in Spain through to the 19th century, having gained wide acceptance beyond Spain's borders. In the 19th century, the coin's denomination was changed to 20 reales (based on 20 reales de vellon) and finally 2 escudos. Spain's adoption of the peseta and joining the Latin Monetary Union meant the effective end for the last vestiges of the Spanish dollar in Spain itself. However, the 5 pesetas coin was slightly smaller and lighter but was also of high purity (90%) silver. In the 1990s, commemorative 2000 pesetas coins were minted, similar in size and weight to the 8 reales and also with high finesse. [edit] Mexico Following independence in 1821, Mexican coinage of silver reales and gold escudos followed that of Spanish lines until decimalisation and the introduction of the peso. The Mexican 8 reales coin (eventually becoming a 1 peso coin) continued to be a popular international trading coin throughout the 19th century. After 1918, the Peso was reduced in size and finesse with further reductions in the 1940s and 1950s. However, 2 (1921), 5 (1947) and 10 (1955) peso coins were minted in the same period, similar in size and finesse to the old peso. [edit] United States The Coinage Act of 1792 created the United States Mint, but the first U.S. dollars were not as popular as the Spanish dollars, which were heavier and were made of finer silver. An eight real coin nominally weighed 550.209 Spanish grains, which is 423.900 troy/avoirdupois grains (0.883125 troy ounce or 27.468 grams), .93055 fine: so contained 0.821791 troy ounce (25.560 grams) fine silver. Its weight and purity varied significantly between mints and over the centuries. In contrast, the Coinage Act of 1792 specified that the U.S. dollar would contain 371 4/16 grain (24.1 g) pure or 416 grain (27.0 g) standard silver. The coins had a nominal value of eight reales ("royals"). The coins were often physically cut into eight "bits", or sometimes four quarters, to make smaller change. This is the origin of the colloquial name pieces of eight for the coin, and of "quarter" and "two bits" for twenty-five cents in the United States. Prior to the American Revolution there was, due to British mercantilist policies, a chronic shortage of British currency in its colonies. Trade was often conducted using Spanish dollars. Spanish coinage was legal tender in the United States until an Act of Congress discontinued the practice in 1857. The pricing of equities on U.S. stock exchanges in 1/8 dollar denominations persisted until the New York Stock Exchange converted to pricing in sixteenths of a dollar on June 24, 1997, to be followed shortly after by decimal pricing. Long tied to the lore of piracy, "pieces of eight" were manufactured in the Americas and transported in bulk back to Spain (to pay for wars and various other things), making them a very tempting target for seagoing pirates. Some pirates were among the richest people in the world. The Manila Galleon transported Mexican silver to Manila in Spanish Philippines, where it would be exchanged for Philippine and Chinese goods, since silver was the only foreign commodity China would take. In oriental trade, Spanish dollars were often stamped with Chinese characters known as "chop marks" which indicate that particular coin had been assayed by a well-known merchant and determined genuine. Thanks to the vast silver deposits that were found in Mexico (for example, at Taxco and Zacatecas) and Potos� in modern-day Bolivia, and to silver from Spain's possessions throughout the Americas, mints in Mexico and Peru also began to strike the coin. Millions of Spanish dollars were minted over the course of several centuries. They were among the most widely circulating coins of the colonial period in the Americas, and were still in use in North America and in South-East Asia in the 19th century. They had a value of one dollar when circulating in the United States. The coin is roughly equivalent to the silver thaler issued in Bohemia and elsewhere since 1517. The German name "thaler" (pronounced "tah-ler" � and "dahler" in Low German) became dollar in French and English. [edit] In fiction In modern pop-culture and fiction, "Pieces of Eight" are most often associated with the popular notion of pirates. Long tied to the lore of piracy, "pieces of eight" were manufactured in the Americas and transported in bulk back to Spain (to pay for wars and various other things), making them a very tempting target for seagoing pirates. Some pirates were among the richest people in the world. The Manila Galleon transported Mexican silver to Manila, where it would be exchanged for Chinese goods, since silver was the only foreign commodity China would take. In oriental trade, Spanish dollars were often stamped with Chinese characters known as "chop marks" which indicate that that particular coin had been assayed by a well-known merchant and determined genuine. [edit] Fictional portrayals In Robert Louis Stevenson's Treasure Island, Long John Silver's parrot had apparently been trained to cry out, "Pieces of eight!" This use tied the coin (and parrots) to fictional depictions of pirates. In Terry Pratchett's "Going Postal", Reacher Gilt's parrot cries out "twelve and a half percent!" as a parody of Long John Silver's parrot. In Yohoho! Puzzle Pirates pieces of eight are special currency. In Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End the Pirate Lords must meet together by presenting the "Nine Pieces of Eight", since these Pieces were used to seal the goddess Calypso in her human form by the first Brethren Court. "Pieces of Eight" is the name of a novelty pirate store outside of the Pirates of the Caribbean ride in Disneyland California. In RuneScape pieces of eight are a reward for a pirate-themed minigame called "Trouble Brewing" and can be used to purchase special pirate attire. In the Amiga and PC pirate-themed adventure game series, Monkey Island, the traded currency is the piece of eight. [edit] See also Spanish real Columnarios [edit] External link The Spanish dollar and the colonial shilling Information on Columnarios Cached legacy website dedicated to 8-Real Spanish Milled Dollars

Anty Ep | 10-16-2007 09:33 AM
Re: best price Spanish milled dollar so who knows of a good vendor of spanish reales?

Tn...Andy | 10-16-2007 10:10 AM
Re: best price Spanish milled dollar I bought one of Mel's coins about 15 years ago, and had it mounted in a necklace for my wife. Overpaid, no doubt, but to hold a coin hand minted in 1620 is a just a wonderful piece of history to me. Looking at his website, I see they are a HECK of a lot higher now.

Anty Ep | 10-16-2007 10:30 AM
Re: best price Spanish milled dollar they've been made famous by mel fischers discovery of the atocha. but there are other shipwrecks like "el cazador" that are popular items. but they were used all over the place in huge numbers in the early usa and so there should be plenty of other sources. ebay is there, but I am having a hard time finding very many nice ones on other websites. I looked at stacks and heritage and neither has any, except stacks had a nice gold escudo for five grand, needless to say that is not my thing right now. LOL

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