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esoteric | 03-29-2009 08:20 AM
Pre-1933 saints vs 2009 UHR saints I am considering ordering a few of those UHR 2009 saints but just wondering where these things will be in 10years? Will anyone care about them? Anyone know if they are making more in 2010? They do not have the history as compared to the real ones but certainly look great. Will those premiums on ebay hold up? after this little wait will they just go back to trading for mostly gold content. What would you chose between a MS-63 pre 1933 or a 2009 Saint?

j-son | 03-29-2009 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by esoteric (Post 1651418) I am considering ordering a few of those UHR 2009 saints but just wondering where these things will be in 10years? Will anyone care about them? Anyone know if they are making more in 2010? They do not have the history as compared to the real ones but certainly look great. Will those premiums on ebay hold up? after this little wait will they just go back to trading for mostly gold content. What would you chose between a MS-63 pre 1933 or a 2009 Saint?
go with the old coins.....there will always be more interest. the new stuff will be minted in future years....who knows...maybe in 10 years they will figure out how to make a proof double ultra cameo uncirculated extra strike force baby eagle's eye diamond edge coin! :565:

St. Germain | 03-29-2009 08:57 AM
Re: Pre-1933 saints vs 2009 UHR saints I would go for numismatic -pre 33. Rarity and long term numismatic value. Some might suggest that if Gold is confiscated that you may avoid it for the reasons stated above (although i do not believe this will happen). I am only purchasing pre-33 gold until Gold drops back to sub $700. Just MHO. ST

diversified2 | 03-29-2009 09:14 AM
Re: Pre-1933 saints vs 2009 UHR saints Go with the pre 33 Saints and you might also want to consider the $20 Liberty they can always make more UHR but not the pre 33. If you are considering them for numis purposes try to get the ones with the highest grade you can afford. I don't reccomend you purchase numis unless you have a good core position in bullion first. Right now the premiums are very high for the pre 33....much higher than a year ago. Numis are not for day trading and highly speculative. You must be willing to wait to sell....usually 3-5 years or longer depending on the market. YMMV but you need to have strong hands to hold these because they can go down in value just as fast as up. Hope it helps!

esoteric | 03-29-2009 07:02 PM
Re: Pre-1933 saints vs 2009 UHR saints thanks for all your input. it was exactly what I was thinking, you just can not make anymore of those pre 33 coins. apart of US history forever. but dam those UHR look pretty swankie in those big old cases. might have to get both.:553: not so sure about this wait till june crap tho. which private company can make you order now then provide the product 2months later......

esoteric | 03-29-2009 07:05 PM
Re: Pre-1933 saints vs 2009 UHR saints Yeah I've also looked at the liberty and the $5/$10 indian heads. around the 64 to 65 grades. Got all the bullion I want so now just looking to start with the numis......going over the past returns the numis look much much better as compared to bullion. I am guessing as long as the world does not collapse right after I put together my position then they will perform better then plain old bullion. Quote:
Originally Posted by diversified2 (Post 1651455) Go with the pre 33 Saints and you might also want to consider the $20 Liberty they can always make more UHR but not the pre 33. If you are considering them for numis purposes try to get the ones with the highest grade you can afford. I don't reccomend you purchase numis unless you have a good core position in bullion first. Right now the premiums are very high for the pre 33....much higher than a year ago. Numis are not for day trading and highly speculative. You must be willing to wait to sell....usually 3-5 years or longer depending on the market. YMMV but you need to have strong hands to hold these because they can go down in value just as fast as up. Hope it helps!

foolsgold | 03-29-2009 07:42 PM
Re: Pre-1933 saints vs 2009 UHR saints Prices rising at APMEX and they have very few in stock and gainsville's prices are rising too.

diversified2 | 03-30-2009 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by esoteric (Post 1652266) you just can not make anymore of those pre 33 coins. apart of US history forever. but dam those UHR look pretty swankie in those big old cases. might have to get both.:553:
Well then I suggest you get at least one of each....problem solvedbancha

HistoryStudent | 03-30-2009 05:13 PM
Re: Pre-1933 saints vs 2009 UHR saints I have MANY boxes of slabbed SAINTS in AU to MS. In fact I'm trying to put together a full set - a LONGGGGGGGGGGGG work in progress. I could never really afford (especially NOW!) the HIGH RELIEF version(s) - MUCH less the ULTRA HIGH ORIGINAL version made for about 24 coins in 1907. That said I LOVE the NEW UHR EAGLE because it KINDA fills the OLD VOID. Buy BOTH! Best wishes, HS

madfranks | 03-30-2009 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by esoteric (Post 1652272) Got all the bullion I want
I am jealous of you, my friend... Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1653978) I have MANY boxes of slabbed SAINTS in AU to MS.
I'm even more jealous of you!!!!!

esoteric | 03-30-2009 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by madfranks (Post 1654287) I am jealous of you, my friend... I'm even more jealous of you!!!!!
im jealous as well, bullion is much easier as compared to pre-33 coins. they seem to perform much better as well as compared to bullion.

esoteric | 03-30-2009 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1653978) I have MANY boxes of slabbed SAINTS in AU to MS. In fact I'm trying to put together a full set - a LONGGGGGGGGGGGG work in progress. I could never really afford (especially NOW!) the HIGH RELIEF version(s) - MUCH less the ULTRA HIGH ORIGINAL version made for about 24 coins in 1907. That said I LOVE the NEW UHR EAGLE because it KINDA fills the OLD VOID. Buy BOTH! Best wishes, HS
I'm sitting here with a 1908/9 saint in 64 and its looking awfully good. imagine how good having one of those 24 UHR originals would feel........ man I should of got into numis a few years ago. have a good one!

HistoryStudent | 03-30-2009 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by esoteric (Post 1654509) I'm sitting here with a 1908/9 saint in 64 and its looking awfully good. imagine how good having one of those 24 UHR originals would feel........ man I should of got into numis a few years ago. have a good one!
That ONE coin worth a retail 15 thousand fiat US dollars would buy 5 of my MS65s! WOW. Congratulations. I only have two 1909/8 both in AU condition. I travel with Cavier & Dom Parion Tastes on a Costco Diet Coke Budget! :yes::111::111:

esoteric | 03-31-2009 10:55 PM
Re: Pre-1933 saints vs 2009 UHR saints Thanks HS. Do you think it would be better to get a few lower grades instead of one say 63 or 64? I am currently been offered a $5 capped bust 1809/8 over-date in MS-61. It seems quite expensive tho so not too sure. The dealer said it was a "trophy" coin from the Byron Reed collection. Just doing a heap of re-serach now....... Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1654689) That ONE coin worth a retail 15 thousand fiat US dollars would buy 5 of my MS65s! WOW. Congratulations. I only have two 1909/8 both in AU condition. I travel with Cavier & Dom Parion Tastes on a Costco Diet Coke Budget! :yes::111::111:

HistoryStudent | 03-31-2009 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by esoteric (Post 1656629) Thanks HS. Do you think it would be better to get a few lower grades instead of one say 63 or 64? I am currently been offered a $5 capped bust 1809/8 over-date in MS-61. It seems quite expensive tho so not too sure. The dealer said it was a "trophy" coin from the Byron Reed collection. Just doing a heap of re-serach now.......
When YOU have a real JEWEL like that YOU keep it. Here's ONE small reason. If you ever go into real DEEP collecting (and your bullion might give you an edge on this) the dealers will ask what are your PRIZE coins. Kind of a CHICKEN $Hit dealie to see if they want to "work" with you - if you qualify - kind of. As long as you have a few goodies like this - keep 'em the MS65 in 1908/9 is now over $45,000.00 grand and that's a lot of tomatoes to catch up too - they'll think highly of you. Once you qualify - THEN you take control. I'm sure you have LIFE learning experinces like these on the job, in the various markets, with stock brokers, at school, and in professional associations - thay are all the same. Now on the other side of the coin - if you need to have MORE coins - work out some kind of HUGE break even retail trade. Another reason is I would always love to have a CROWN JEWEL coin like that one. You have to figure out what you want to do. Myself - I love to see a BUNCH of MS64 MS65 Saints all laid out from before we all were even BORN - don't YOU! :5_1_120: PS that's a crown jewel MS64 - get it!

esoteric | 04-01-2009 02:02 AM
Re: Pre-1933 saints vs 2009 UHR saints Cheers for the input. I already got the 1908/9 64 saint but I kinda like the idea of having a few of them all laid out. Going to have to look into getting some of the slightly better dates. (I found a decent article outlining all the dates, I'll have to post it when I get the chance.) Right now trying to decide if the ms-61 $5 capped bust 1809 coin from the Byron Reed collection is a good buy. Anyone know if coins such as those are meant to go for higher then the prices listed on pcgs/ngc? The saints all sell for less then the listed price while this one has quite a large spread over the listed price. Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1656701) When YOU have a real JEWEL like that YOU keep it. Here's ONE small reason. If you ever go into real DEEP collecting (and your bullion might give you an edge on this) the dealers will ask what are your PRIZE coins. Kind of a CHICKEN $Hit dealie to see if they want to "work" with you - if you qualify - kind of. As long as you have a few goodies like this - keep 'em the MS65 in 1908/9 is now over $45,000.00 grand and that's a lot of tomatoes to catch up too - they'll think highly of you. Once you qualify - THEN you take control. I'm sure you have LIFE learning experinces like these on the job, in the various markets, with stock brokers, at school, and in professional associations - thay are all the same. Now on the other side of the coin - if you need to have MORE coins - work out some kind of HUGE break even retail trade. Another reason is I would always love to have a CROWN JEWEL coin like that one. You have to figure out what you want to do. Myself - I love to see a BUNCH of MS64 MS65 Saints all laid out from before we all were even BORN - don't YOU! :5_1_120: PS that's a crown jewel MS64 - get it!

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