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GoldBullish | 01-28-2008 11:34 AM
Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin First pictures of the Silver Philharmonic Bullion coin are available, pricing seems to be similar to Eagle and Maple: http://www.Silber-Philharmoniker.de

Professur | 01-28-2008 11:41 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Sweet. Who do I have to kill to get one?

GoldBullish | 01-28-2008 11:42 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin ask a coin dealer... :-) I will get them from http://www.CoinInvestDirect.com

eyeofliberty | 01-28-2008 12:01 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Nice! Me wantee! :D

GoldWampum | 01-28-2008 12:02 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 940417) Nice! Me wantee! :D
Good News. I love the Philharmonics.

dlm1968 | 01-28-2008 12:14 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Philharmonics are my favorite gold and now I just found my favorite silver. :s9:

BoggleFed | 01-28-2008 12:42 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin I'm personally fond of the pretty yellow ones... not that I own any, of course.

Silverity | 01-28-2008 12:55 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldBullish (Post 940385) ask a coin dealer... :-) I will get them from http://www.CoinInvestDirect.com
Looks like these guys BUY as well as sell silver in the UK? What do they mean by the "Buy", "Netto" and "Brutto" prices?

TomD | 01-28-2008 03:44 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Did they just come out? I've never heard of them before but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

GoldBullish | 01-28-2008 04:29 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin official issue date is Feb. 1st, meanwhile you will find them at the Austrian Mints website: www.Austrian-mint.at You also can find them at: http://www.China-coins.com , but homepage is only in German. He will send to UK and USA, is able to speak English and Chinese, ask for "Claus"

Raccoon | 01-28-2008 04:30 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 940766) Did they just come out? I've never heard of them before but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
Yes, they are new. According to that site they will deliver the first ones on February 4th. Edit:Here is the link to the coin at the Austrian Mint site http://www.austrian-mint.at/cms/cms....5jh6khjnrthce4

Raccoon | 01-28-2008 04:38 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin The Silver Philharmonic is actually quite significant. Apart from the silver Britannia, which is way too expensive, this is the first contemporary European silver bullion coin.

californiajeff | 01-28-2008 04:41 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Is it .999 silver?

Raccoon | 01-28-2008 04:47 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by californiajeff (Post 940877) Is it .999 silver?
Yes, 1 troy oz .999

wsykes | 01-29-2008 10:18 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Will they b available in the US? I got to get me some of these.

Eldorado | 01-29-2008 04:37 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverity (Post 940490) Looks like these guys BUY as well as sell silver in the UK? What do they mean by the "Buy", "Netto" and "Brutto" prices?
Netto: without tax (VAT) Brutto: with tax

Merlin | 01-31-2008 09:55 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldorado (Post 942493) Netto: without tax (VAT) Brutto: with tax
My invoice showed them charging me the VAT. Is that proper for a customer from the USA?

sliver | 02-01-2008 12:42 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Why couldn't they have started making these 2 years ago! :P Anyone know if APMEX is going to carry them eventually? ...or any other US based dealers?

Raccoon | 02-01-2008 02:18 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 946603) My invoice showed them charging me the VAT. Is that proper for a customer from the USA?
I'm not absolutely sure about this, but I think that you shouldn't have to pay VAT.

Merlin | 02-01-2008 03:55 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by Raccoon (Post 946836) I'm not absolutely sure about this, but I think that you shouldn't have to pay VAT.
Their own web site says that VAT is for customers from the European Union. Moreover, I placed the order Thursday evening here in the US. We're in the midst of a heavy snow storm (10-14 inches) and I'll probably be snowed in Friday morning because my car is parked in an alley garage in the middle of the block (I'll be lucky if it gets ploughed Friday at all). They want their funds wired to them BEFORE 04.02.2008. I don't think I can get it done that quickly. Looks like I'll be cancelling my order and waiting for the coins to become available from a US dealer.

Heads_Up | 02-01-2008 11:17 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin There's a dealer a couple of blocks from where I work. I walk in every couple of weeks to check and mentioned the silver Philharmonic. He hadn't heard of them. Didn't surprise me. His prices are $3-$4 higher than other shops here for maples, plus you have to add 5% tax (never could understand being taxed to buy govn't money). He said he had a connection in Europe, but it will probably be 35$ for a bullion ounce coin. Not! I periodically go south of the border here. So I have started to buy 2-3 SAEs or prospectors a trip, better prices and no tax, and stick them with my change in my pocket as I cross the border.

Professur | 02-01-2008 11:27 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Um ... there's no GST on bullion in Canada. You're getting hosed.

Heads_Up | 02-01-2008 11:51 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by Professur (Post 947434) Um ... there's no GST on bullion in Canada. You're getting hosed.
Sorry, meant 7% (Provincial tax)

dlm1968 | 02-01-2008 12:03 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin I spoke to apmex. They will be carrying them but they said it might be a couple of months before they have them in.

horst | 02-01-2008 12:23 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 946873) Their own web site says that VAT is for customers from the European Union.
@ Merlin In order to avoid the VAT as a foreign retail buyer you will, in all likelihood, have to buy the stuff in the country and upon leaving you will have to prove that you live outside the European Union. If it were not that way all European citizens would order their stuff via a foreign address to get around the VAT. BUT: the Austrian mint has a North American Agent - maybe this a better way to obtain European silver coins: Austria Mint Name: Euro Collections International Inc Description: North American Agent Address: 621 Discovery St., Suite 727 Victoria, BC, CANADA V8W 2P9 Telephone :1-888-904-5544 Fax: 1-250-658-1455 E-mail :info@eurocollections.com sincerely Horst

Merlin | 02-01-2008 01:20 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by horst (Post 947523) @ Merlin In order to avoid the VAT as a foreign retail buyer you will, in all likelihood, have to buy the stuff in the country and upon leaving you will have to prove that you live outside the European Union. If it were not that way all European citizens would order their stuff via a foreign address to get around the VAT.
Well, that doesn't work well for me. I'm not currently in Europe. I'm in Indiana. Quote:
BUT: the Austrian mint has a North American Agent - maybe this a better way to obtain European silver coins: Austria Mint Name: Euro Collections International Inc Description: North American Agent Address: 621 Discovery St., Suite 727 Victoria, BC, CANADA V8W 2P9 Telephone :1-888-904-5544 Fax: 1-250-658-1455 E-mail :info@eurocollections.com sincerely Horst
Thank you Horst. After paying 7% VAT + the $45 cost of a wire transfer of funds + cost of the coins themselves, ordering from Europe is not really a cost-effective way to buy bullion -- even if the coins themselves are very beautiful.

APMEX | 02-02-2008 09:21 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin I am hoping we can shorten the couple of months to a few weeks. As soon as we have some, I will post here.

d00d | 02-02-2008 09:29 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by APMEX (Post 949049) I am hoping we can shorten the couple of months to a few weeks. As soon as we have some, I will post here.
just don't send em to pcgs and sell em ms70 for $300 :tongue_ma:

eyeofliberty | 02-02-2008 09:36 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by APMEX (Post 949049) I am hoping we can shorten the couple of months to a few weeks. As soon as we have some, I will post here.
Great news! Thanks, Scott!

APMEX | 02-02-2008 09:46 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin No problem....... We should have plenty!

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Professur | 02-02-2008 09:59 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin No help for us poor abandoned folk up in Canuckistan tho *wink**wink**nudge**nudge*

TomD | 02-02-2008 10:00 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by APMEX (Post 949077) No problem....... We should have plenty!
If you send me one for free, I'll post a shot of it here on the off chance that it will induce a couple of folks to buy some. :bear_w00t:

Merlin | 02-02-2008 10:30 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 949084) If you send me one for free, I'll post a shot of it here on the off chance that it will induce a couple of folks to buy some. :bear_w00t:
You shameless hustler :wink:

APMEX | 02-02-2008 10:47 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Tom, I am in Germany as we type. I expect to return on Wednesday and will FED-EX you one when I get back. Send me a direct with your address and you will have it on Thursday.

KASHMAN02 | 02-02-2008 11:00 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by APMEX (Post 949141) Tom, I am in Germany as we type. I expect to return on Wednesday and will FED-EX you one when I get back. Send me a direct with your address and you will have it on Thursday.
I will take 20 when they come in, let me know.

TomD | 02-02-2008 11:07 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 949121) You shameless hustler :wink:
Hell yeah I'm shameless, look at what it just got me. :applause_:applause_:applause_ Now if I can just figure how to pull that trick with some gold!

Merlin | 02-02-2008 11:43 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 949158) Hell yeah I'm shameless, look at what it just got me. :applause_:applause_:applause_
Good for you, TomD. Your spectacular photos speak for themselves. But, let us be clear, it is the quality of your work that gets results -- definitely not a con. The rest of us are jealous though.

Atahualpa | 02-02-2008 11:51 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 949158) Hell yeah I'm shameless, look at what it just got me. :applause_:applause_:applause_ Now if I can just figure how to pull that trick with some gold!
That was some Reserved Engineering.:D

AlwaysWrite | 02-02-2008 12:48 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Awesome, very cool... TomD definitely deserves something for his fantastic photography! He has induced me to buy coins before based off his photos.... Thanks for the updates, Scott. I am also looking forward to the silver Phils becoming available here, will definitely have to pick a few up, I just hope the prices are reasonable (in line with SAEs or whatever).

Merlin | 02-02-2008 01:19 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by AlwaysWrite (Post 949280) Awesome, very cool... TomD definitely deserves something for his fantastic photography! He has induced me to buy coins before based off his photos....
Speaking of TomD and Austrian Philharmonics (this time, the gold variety), it was his photographs posted here that induced me to buy my first 1oz Philharmonic back in October last year. He does great work.

TomD | 02-02-2008 05:22 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Look into my picture---you are getting sleepy----very sleepy---see the nice coin------the coin is worth $200-----the coin is worth $200-----the coin is worth $200--- when you awaken, you will buy the coin http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...LunarMouse.jpg

Merlin | 02-04-2008 04:18 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin The good folks at coininvestdirect.com cancelled my original invoice with the VAT and re-issued a new invoice with no tax. When I placed the order, I did not realize they would require a wire transfer for payment (which any thinking person would have anticipated -- I'm a dummy!) So, even though the price of silver has dropped and the cost of the wire transfer and shipping make the cost of the bullion coins higher than I would like, I'm doing the honorable thing and completing the transaction. The rest of you might be smart to wait for APMEX. I'm sure that's the more cost-effective route.

narco | 02-04-2008 04:25 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 952422) The good folks at coininvestdirect.com cancelled my original invoice with the VAT and re-issued a new invoice with no tax. When I placed the order, I did not realize they would require a wire transfer for payment (which any thinking person would have anticipated -- I'm a dummy!) So, even though the price of silver has dropped and the cost of the wire transfer and shipping make the cost of the bullion coins higher than I would like, I'm doing the honorable thing and completing the transaction. The rest of you might be smart to wait for APMEX. I'm sure that's the more cost-effective route.
Always had reliable service from coininvestdirect.com here in UK. Definately recommended. :thumbs up

Merlin | 02-04-2008 04:46 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by narco (Post 952435) Always had reliable service from coininvestdirect.com here in UK. Definately recommended. :thumbs up
I can see why; they have been very responsive. But the wire transfer is costing me $45 and the shipping is more than $22. That's quite a hefty transaction fee for 20 ounces of silver :) And it's all TomD's fault for seducing me with the Austrian Philharmonic in the first place! Now he's tempting me with that damned mouse.

APMEX | 02-04-2008 10:34 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin We have placed an initial order for some coins. If you would like some, please send me a private message and I will hold a few back for you. No more that 20 coins per at this point because I am not sure if or when I will even receive my order. Also, I will not lock in any prices until we have them in our hand. Once we put them on our site, I will let you know and provide a link so you can buy them. They are BEAUTIFUL! They come packaged similar to the Gold Buffalo coins in sheets of 20 and induvidual heat sealed squares.

TomD | 02-05-2008 08:02 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by APMEX (Post 953066) We have placed an initial order for some coins. If you would like some, please send me a private message and I will hold a few back for you. No more that 20 coins per at this point because I am not sure if or when I will even receive my order. Also, I will not lock in any prices until we have them in our hand. Once we put them on our site, I will let you know and provide a link so you can buy them. They are BEAUTIFUL! They come packaged similar to the Gold Buffalo coins in sheets of 20 and induvidual heat sealed squares.
Do you know the approximate price range? Will they be priced in the Britannia and Panda range or more like Maples and Silver Eagles?

Raccoon | 02-05-2008 10:55 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin A "year of the mouse" coin showing rats?!?

Merlin | 02-05-2008 04:52 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by Raccoon (Post 953693) A "year of the mouse" coin showing rats?!?
Rats? Mice? Nothing nearly as cute as a Raccoon!

TomD | 02-05-2008 05:36 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by Raccoon (Post 953693) A "year of the mouse" coin showing rats?!?
I thought it was a Year of the Rat coin showing a mouse.

Master_Ho | 02-05-2008 06:30 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Over the years the mouse and rat have become interchangeable in some circles..............<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> That's unfortunate because there is a story about how these animals became the 12 symbols for the Chinese zodiac - and when you change mouse to rat, you lose a little of the inference - that the smallest creature won the contest.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Legend<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> According to Chinese legend, the twelve animals quarreled one day as to who was to head the cycle of years. The gods were asked to decide and they held a contest: whoever was to reach the opposite bank of the river would be first, and the rest of the animals would receive their years according to their finish. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> All the twelve animals gathered at the river bank and jumped in. Unknown to the ox, the mouse had jumped upon his back. As the ox was about to jump ashore, the mouse jumped off the ox's back, and won the race. The pig, who was very lazy, ended up last. That is why the mouse is the first year of the animal cycle, the ox second, and the pig last. <o:p></o:p>

Texan | 02-05-2008 11:09 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 954477) I thought it was a Year of the Rat coin showing a mouse.
It hadn't dawned on me that there is no mouse in the Chinese Zodiac. Thanks for pointing that out Tom and Racoon. It's a shame the Perth Mint is kicking off Lunar Series II as awkwardly as they wrapped up Series I. But, I still haven't seen the new ones in person, so I may still collect a one and two ounce coin each year they're issued. I can't wait for these Ag Phils, at any rate. I'm also really curious what kind of price range to expect, so I can know how many to try to reserve without jacking around anyone.

Merlin | 02-06-2008 07:14 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Quote:
Originally Posted by Texan (Post 954966) It hadn't dawned on me that there is no mouse in the Chinese Zodiac. Thanks for pointing that out Tom and Racoon. It's a shame the Perth Mint is kicking off Lunar Series II as awkwardly as they wrapped up Series I. But, I still haven't seen the new ones in person, so I may still collect a one and two ounce coin each year they're issued. I can't wait for these Ag Phils, at any rate. I'm also really curious what kind of price range to expect, so I can know how many to try to reserve without jacking around anyone.
OK, so here's a clue. coininvestdirect.com in the UK is selling the Phils this morning for US$20.36 and the silver American Eagles for US$21.44. So, I can't speak for APMEX or any other US distributor; but it looks like they will be priced competitively with Eagles and Maples.

PiVi1962 | 02-06-2008 02:19 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin For people in the European Union that are interested to buy the coin, I can suggest the following shop: http://www.muenzenmueller.de You end up paying the low 7% German VAT instead of the 20% VAT of other countries (Italy, for example). I found the shop on this site: http://www.bullionpage.de that allows you to compare prices (ask and bid) of bullion coins in many countries. Unless you are planning to travel to Austria, where the gold and silver Wiener Philharmoniker are on sale at the national bank, as far as I know.

dlm1968 | 02-06-2008 04:21 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin They are listed on apmex now.:s9:

Professur | 02-06-2008 04:21 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Damn, that was fast.

APMEX | 02-06-2008 04:32 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Here is the link to buy these directly. They are nice! http://www.apmex.com/Category/595/20...harmonics.aspx

Professur | 02-06-2008 04:35 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin That's a dirt cheap price for a pretty coin too.

d00d | 02-06-2008 04:39 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin bought 10 of em and paid $21.14 each factoring in shipping :shocked_ma: bought all the years of kookaburras and paid $23 and $24 each :shocked_ma: These are going to be passed down and are not for investment but for pleasure. I really enjoy looking at the kooks hope I like these too

GoldBullish | 02-08-2008 07:03 AM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin http://www.austrian-mint.at/images/c...-Startbild.gif I love this coin, thank you APMEX for offering! Great service!

eyeofliberty | 03-03-2008 04:08 PM
Re: Silver Philharmonic Bullion Coin Just received my silver Philharmonics today. Very nice coin. I think I'll save one aside for my "pocket coin". :D

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