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ozcopper | 12-14-2007 06:59 PM
Huge Liberty Bargains Coming? Below is an email that I just received from the Liberty Dollar organization! If you have any liberty dollars that you were thinking of selling, now may be the time to do it, It looks like there will be tens of thousands of them about to come on to the market when the FBI auction off Liberties assets! See email below: Friday, December 14, 2007 Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters: Dark Moment for Liberty Dollar I am shocked to inform you that we have learned that the FBI is moving aggressively to forfeit "their" seizure for auction immediately! If that does not shock and alarm you, you are truly asleep! If there has ever been a time to support the Liberty Dollar with an Arrest Dollar and a donation� it is now! Due to higher than anticipated demand for the Arrest Dollar, a printable order from as been created to simplify the process. It is available HERE. This is so shocking that it makes one wonder what is going on. Unfortunately, the draconian raid/seizure/forfeiture by this government is SOP - Standard Operating Procedures! In fact, the more you learn, the worse it is. Once raided, the victim need not be arrested or even charged with a crime before his/her property can be forfeited and auctioned. This is so common that the police often refer to the seized property as "their" property. After all, like any common thief, they stole it� its "theirs"! Or so they would have you think! Wait! It is not quite that simple with the Liberty Dollar. You see, I considered this dirty, stinking government trick when I designed and developed the Warehouse Receipt (WR) program. And although I didn't think they would really be this bad or simply ignorant� there is no doubt now. For that reason I am not the signatory on the Warehouse Receipt. Nor could I sign the WR because I am not the Warehouse Official. I don't even work for the warehouse. Remember the warehouse is totally independent and the official issuer of the warehouse receipt. NORFED, Liberty Services, myself, everybody who uses them are simply distributors of the receipts. But the worst news is "economic persecution". Now we have to fight for your property� with nothing because they took everything in the raid. If we hadn't received some donations to get a new computer, we wouldn't even be able to send out this cry for help. This is very serious! The Search/Seizure Warrants were for property at specific addresses. The property they seized at Sunshine backed the legal, signed Warehouse Receipts. That property was, and still is, owned by the bearers of the warehouse receipts and the digital Liberty Dollar holders. That is your property that they are trying to steal! So in all fairness, I don't think Agent Andy and the FBI who raided the warehouse at Sunshine Mint know what they are doing. Yes, they can certainly be more damaging than a village idiot, but they may not know much more. It is obvious that they don't understand how a warehouse receipt program works. Except for my personal account at Sunshine, none of the confiscated material at Sunshine Mint was my property. It was YOURS! Now! Are you going to let the US government steal your property?! Click HERE to sign up for the Class Action Lawsuit. You did nothing illegal! You heard about the new "inflation proof" currency and decided to check it out on line at www.LibertyDollar.org. You did your own "due diligence". You read quotes by the government that the Liberty Dollar was legal and that it was not counterfeit. Many of you even called the Fulfillment Office to check out the new currency. Then you made an informed decision to exchange some of your depreciating US dollars for some appreciating gold and silver based Liberty Dollars in specie, paper warehouse receipts and digital form. Owning gold and silver in any form is not illegal! Over 500,000 individual legal binding warehouse receipts have been issued over the past ten years. Over 25,000+ individuals have visited our site and gotten Liberty Dollars. Neither you nor I are guilty. Nor did you violate Title 18, Section 486 either. Even US Mint Director Edmond C. Moy acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper warehouse receipts were not illegal. Section 486 only concerns "use" in metal form. You were not even using the gold and silver. Your property, your metal was stored in the warehouse. You are not guilty. You are a victim! The gold and silver seized from the issuing warehouse was not the property of the Liberty Services, Liberty Dollar, myself, or even the warehouse... it remains the property of the bearer warehouse receipt holders. It is YOUR property. To date 3,086 people have signed up to be a party to the Lawsuit and GET THEIR PROPERTY BACK. I ask again: Are you going to let the US government steal your property?! As bad as all that is, the precious metals industry should be very concerned because if the government can confiscate our gold and silver, they can confiscate theirs. Any raid and liquidation of a private, independent gold and silver warehouse sets an extremely dangerous precedent by this damn government. Where is ICTA - Industry Council for Tangible Assets when we need them? Now hear this! The government is moving aggressively right now to steal your property!! Please join the Lawsuit to recover the wrongful seizure of your property. If you have not signed up for the Wrongful Seizure Lawsuit (Class Action Lawsuit) do it NOW. It is the only way to get your property back. Please take action immediately! Click HERE to sign up! Clarification on the Class Action Lawsuit. We have referred to the lawsuit to recover the wrongfully seized property of the Warehouse Receipts and the digital Liberty Dollar holders, as a Class Action Lawsuit. But as we already have 3111 names of the injured parties, this is not a class action lawsuit. We plan to list everybody by name on the lawsuit. We want the judge to see how many people the US government has injured. It is important for the judge to know that thousands of good people from all over the United States, who committed no crime, have been injured and need immediate restitution. We have now renamed the lawsuit to Wrongful Seizure Lawsuit. Please read the affidavit to establish "Probable Cause" for the Search and Seizure Warrants and ask yourself, "Where is the crime? When did it happen? Where? Who is the injured party?" http://www.libertydollar.org/legal/p...yaffidavit.pdf In Alert #4 I mentioned The Soviet-Style Attack on NORFED by Jacob Hornberger. This excellent commentary is available at: http://www.fff.org/comment/com0711j.asp Another excellent commentary, Gestapo raid on coin-producing enterprise by Dr. Richard H. Timberlake, noted monetary economist and expert on the Fed, has been posted at: http://www.libertydollar.org/comment...1196838996.pdf. Dozens of great commentaries are available on the Comment Page at: http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/lega...commentary.htm Thank you for the compliments on getting the digital eLibertyDollar up and running. Please send your digital donations to: Donation@LibertyDollar.org . While we accept digital Liberty Dollar for donation, it is those damn non-Federal non-Reserve IOU Notes that are needed for the legal defense. Physical Liberty Dollars in paper and digital form that we can auction on eBay for more depreciating FRNs would be greatly appreciated too. We continue to have a problem getting a bank account open. For now, please send all checks and money orders simply made out to BERNARD. BIG Thanks for your donations. I apologize that I simply do not have time to respond to all the letters and good wishes. But please keep including the letters. It is good to know you are aware that we are fighting for you and your property. You did nothing wrong! Orders for Arrest Dollars are very appreciated too. A newly created order from is available HERE. Remember they will only be available until I am arrested. So if you want a specially hallmarked Arrest Dollar� please send order now. I have no idea when I will be arrested. Now as we face the greatest monetary challenge since the Revolutionary War, lets work together to create a free and independent currency that provides us with "just weights and measures". We should not be ripped off by the government money! Please support the Liberty Dollar with an Arrest Dollar and a donation. Sign up for the Wrongful Seizure Lawsuit today! Please don't let the government steal your money and drive the Liberty Dollar out of business. BIG thanks for all the prayers, letters and donations we have received!!! Every donation counts! Thank you!! Bernard von NotHaus Monetary Architect/Editor When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist. When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat. When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist. When they came for the Jews, I did not speak out; I was not a Jew. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out. Friedrich Gustav Martin Niem�ller

Kahlil Gibran | 12-14-2007 08:21 PM
Re: Huge Liberty Bargains Coming? Quote:
Originally Posted by ozcopper (Post 875136) We continue to have a problem getting a bank account open. For now, please send all checks and money orders simply made out to BERNARD.
On the West Coast make them out to KAHLIL and PM me now for a top-secret Patriot mailing address. usflag FOR JUSTICE AND LIBERTY! God Bless.

Metalophile | 12-20-2007 05:00 PM
Re: Huge Liberty Bargains Coming? If you buy some LD's from the FBI auction, could you be therefore be guilty of knowingly receiving stolen merchandise?

ozcopper | 12-21-2007 12:28 AM
Re: Huge Liberty Bargains Coming? Well thats a very good point! Here is the latest update: December 20. 2007 Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters, As the Holidays approach, I am pleased to share some good news. Yes the dark forfeiture hangs over our head but this is much to cheer about! We just received a Christmas present from Ron Paul who introduced new legislation that mentions the "Liberty Dollar" and "asset forfeiture" in his "Free Competition in Currency Act" on 13 December 2007. WOW! Thanks Ron. Now available at: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/co.../cr121307h.htm. A recent article in the Evansville Courier & Press headlines: "Business booming after raid". And indeed it is. As announced earlier Liberty Dollar has re-opened as Liberty Numismatics! Maybe it is just Christmas sales but it is good news for the Liberty Dollar. Read all about it at: http://www.courierpress.com/news/200...ssboomingafter. Do you live in New England? Dedicated to the ideals of Liberty? Want to see Ron Paul just before he wins the New Hampshire Primary? Interested in the Liberty Dollar? Please consider coming to the 2008 Liberty Forum January 4-6 in Nashua, New Hampshire. I will give the keynote address on Friday evening, January 4th. US Senator John Sununu is the keynote speaker on Saturday evening and Ron Paul will address all of us on Sunday afternoon. This is sure to be a hoot! Mention Liberty Dollar and code 2008LD for a 10% discount when you register. Meanwhile, as I have not been arrested� yet� the Arrest Dollar is still available. Believe me� this is a very limited time offer! Please consider supporting the Liberty Dollar by getting a special Silver Liberty that is hallmarked with Handcuffs. Each Arrest Dollar also features my federally registered Mintmark. Available for $30, $20 and $15 each. All the money goes to support the Liberty Dollar. There you have it. With a bit of luck, we should have more good news before the end of the year. Stay tuned. And please donate� business may be booming� but its costly to defend your right to use gold and silver and get your property back! Please don't let the government steal your property! Thank you, thank you, thank you for your support and your donation. Merry Christmas & Season Greetings to all! Bernard von NotHaus Monetary Architect/Editor

jaybone | 12-21-2007 09:53 AM
Re: Huge Liberty Bargains Coming? I humbly urge all GIM readers to boycott the sales of confiscated LD items. IF the FBI does auction off these goods it will be quite obvious. DO NOT PARTICIPATE. I like good bargains too, but buying LD on the cheap that was stolen from your countymen is no way to conduct oneself. Peace, Freedom and Prosperity in 2008 to you all!

Streets Of Gold | 12-21-2007 10:08 AM
Re: Huge Liberty Bargains Coming? Quote:
Originally Posted by jaybone (Post 884888) I humbly urge all GIM readers to boycott the sales of confiscated LD items. IF the FBI does auction off these goods it will be quite obvious. DO NOT PARTICIPATE. I like good bargains too, but buying LD on the cheap that was stolen from your countymen is no way to conduct oneself. Peace, Freedom and Prosperity in 2008 to you all!
I agree and ANYONE who does purchase these should be labled as a conspiratorial Thief and their reputation (whatever that is) should be dragged through the mud.

PiVi1962 | 12-26-2007 04:47 PM
Sale? I don't quite understand. The USA government says that the Lyberty Dollars are NOT legal, and size them all. Then the FBI auctions the same illegal dollars?!? Are there in the USA auctions for cocaine or other drugs sized by FBI? Then I can claim a legal right to own kilos of drugs :confused_ma:

Master_Ho | 12-26-2007 05:21 PM
Re: Sale? Quote:
Originally Posted by PiVi1962 (Post 890578) I don't quite understand. The USA government says that the Lyberty Dollars are NOT legal, and size them all. Then the FBI auctions the same illegal dollars?!? Are there in the USA auctions for cocaine or other drugs sized by FBI? Then I can claim a legal right to own kilos of drugs :confused_ma:
I suspect the confusion stems from an aspect of the story we do not often hear.........I totally supported the Liberty Dollar (and still do in premise) but, accourding to an article I read by someone else who a;so supported it - Bernard had gone into a few places - and was video-taped - telling merchants that his coin was "the new US $20 coin". That jumps a boundry even GIM people (with a few exceptions) are smart enough not to do! In essence, it crosses the line on counterfiting........we might say its an ounce of silver, but we wouldn't go that extra yard. SO - if the FBI sells them - they will sell them as silver rounds, not "the new US $20 coin".........and, as such, thats not illegal. Now - before the slamming starts - that was the other side of the story, supported by videotape, so lets not attack the messenger.........and it is the information to the best of my knowledge at this time......doesn't mean I do not support alternate currencies or the use of PMs as real money.......merely the loophole Bernard got himself into. I, like you, are watching this story and we'll see how it all plays out down the road.......

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