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MetalMoney | 09-28-2009 10:01 PM
Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? Just got a decent shipment of 1oz bars from Nucleo... One of the first times' I've received obviously handled bars... But looking through them I'm realizing that they're all from ~ 1973... Seems like maybe OutlawJoseyWalesJr's selling off some of his stash?! ;) most are not what I'd call 'art bars' but there have to be 25 different types of bar in my 100 oz purchase. I know the scan kinda sucks, but I'm too lazy to photograph them all ;) How do you like a "Merrill Lynch" bar.. kinda ironic... There were also 5 bars that were gold plated.. kinda hoakie if you ask me. http://members.cox.net/metalmoney/gfx/70Sbars.jpg Anyone else getting older stuff off of Nucleo lately? Are the high spot prices calling in a lot of old stuff?

Iptuous | 09-28-2009 10:06 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? nice.... the coin-o-rama one is a real winner!.... also, i think the sailor's dream is fish on top and woman on bottom.... -ability to talk and a cloaca -no ability to talk and functional derriere... that's a no brainer on a long sea voyage!

OutlawJoseyWalesJr | 09-28-2009 10:45 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? Quote:
Originally Posted by MetalMoney (Post 1945351) Just got a decent shipment of 1oz bars from Nucleo... One of the first times' I've received obviously handled bars... But looking through them I'm realizing that they're all from ~ 1973... Seems like maybe OutlawJoseyWalesJr's selling off some of his stash?! ;) most are not what I'd call 'art bars' but there have to be 25 different types of bar in my 100 oz purchase. I know the scan kinda sucks, but I'm too lazy to photograph them all ;) How do you like a "Merrill Lynch" bar.. kinda ironic... There were also 5 bars that were gold plated.. kinda hoakie if you ask me. http://members.cox.net/metalmoney/gfx/70Sbars.jpg Anyone else getting older stuff off of Nucleo lately? Are the high spot prices calling in a lot of old stuff?
HOLY COW!!!!!!! :36_1_25: Wait a minute. I need to quit drooling for a minute..........Ok.....Deep Breath....... Let's see what you got here............ 1. First U.S. Satellite bar, Dwight Eisenhower, TVA, Broadway (from America the Beautiful series) = Hamilton Mint art bars 1973, 1974 and maybe 1975 mint years 2. Coin-A-Rama, "The Prospectors", Ladies Dream, "Pony Express" = Mother Lode Mint, 1973 mint year on each one 3. "The High Wheeler" = Madison Mint (I think that is a 1972 mint year) 4. "Silver Bull" = Might be Silvertowne Mint but not sure of mint year 5. "1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS454", "Merrill Lynch" = Silvertowne Mint 6. 8 months a smiling???? = I have no idea of who minted that......yet 7. "Watergate 1973" "Speak No Evil" (Gold plated silver art bar) = E.J. Aleo mint 8. Washington Mint = Might be a 1972 year mint. Very good. I am very impressed with those '70's silver art bars. WOW!!!! :bear_thumb: :bear_thumb: :bear_thumb: Believe me when I say this but.......Those art bars are NOT my leftovers. :111: :111: Caution!!!: I would be very careful about '70's silver art bars because they can be very addictive. I know through experience since I have a very strong addiction to '70's silver art bars. :111: :bear_thumb: :bear_thumb: :bear_thumb: :bear_thumb:

Barrettone | 09-28-2009 10:49 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? Quote:
Originally Posted by OutlawJoseyWalesJr (Post 1945427) HOLY COW!!!!!!! :36_1_25: Wait a minute. I need to quit drooling for a minute..........Ok.....Deep Breath....... Let's see what you got here............ 1. First U.S. Satellite bar, Dwight Eisenhower, TVA, Broadway (from America the Beautiful series) = Hamilton Mint art bars 1973, 1974 and maybe 1975 mint years 2. Coin-A-Rama, "The Prospectors", Ladies Dream, "Pony Express" = Mother Lode Mint, 1973 mint year on each one 3. "The High Wheeler" = Madison Mint (I think that is a 1972 mint year) 4. "Silver Bull = Might be Silvertowne Mint but not sure of mint year 5. 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS454, "Merrill Lynch" = Silvertowne Mint 6. 8 months a smiling???? = I have no idea of who minted that......yet 7. "Watergate 1973" "Speak No Evil" (Gold plated) = E.J. Aleo mint 8. Washington Mint = Might be a 1972 year mint. Very good. I am very impressed with those '70's silver art bars. WOW!!!! :bear_thumb: :bear_thumb: :bear_thumb: Believe me when I say this but.......Those art bars are NOT my leftovers. :111: :111: Caution!!!: I would be very careful about those '70's silver art bars because they can be very addictive. I know through experience since I have a very strong addiction to '70's silver art bars. :111: :bear_thumb: :bear_thumb: :bear_thumb: :bear_thumb:
Hey Josey...that is a 1973 Christmas art bar, and it says "Eight maids a-milking" like in the "12 days of Christmas" song. That is why it says "8th Day" on the side. Hope this helps, Jeff

OutlawJoseyWalesJr | 09-28-2009 10:58 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? Quote:
Originally Posted by Barrettone (Post 1945437) Hey Josey...that is a 1973 Christmas art bar, and it says "Eight maids a-milking" like in the "12 days of Christmas" song. That is why it says "8th Day" on the side. Hope this helps, Jeff
Thanks. That does help. I guess my eyes and brain could not handle the overload of seeing all of those '70's silver art bars at one time and my brain might have short-circuited as a result of trying to emotionally take in all of that beauty of those '70's silver art bars. :biggrin:

MetalMoney | 09-28-2009 10:59 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? Quote:
Originally Posted by Barrettone (Post 1945437) Hey Josey...that is a 1973 Christmas art bar, and it says "Eight maids a-milking" like in the "12 days of Christmas" song. That is why it says "8th Day" on the side.
Yep, Jeff tagged it for you. That one is from Motherlode. Give me 5 minutes, and I'll give you a pic of the 'also rans'

OutlawJoseyWalesJr | 09-28-2009 11:06 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? Quote:
Originally Posted by MetalMoney (Post 1945458) Yep, Jeff tagged it for you. That one is from Motherlode.
I am totally blown away MetalMoney! I do not plan to sell any of my '70's silver art bar stash. I love my '70's silver art bars collection. I was trying to "corner" the '70's silver art bar market but I think you beat me to it with just that one purchase from Nucleo. :111: :111: :111: Very nice purchase IMO. :bear_thumb:

MetalMoney | 09-28-2009 11:06 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? Here's another set. Most of what I didnt scan are older 'normal' Silvertowne bars and some other random stuff like Fathers day / Easter bars from the early 70's. Sorry, the gold plated ones dont scan well... Glad you enjoyed. As soon as I opened the box and saw what I had I thought of your rotating avatar immediately.... http://members.cox.net/metalmoney/gfx/70sbars2.jpg

OutlawJoseyWalesJr | 09-28-2009 11:35 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? Quote:
Originally Posted by MetalMoney (Post 1945469) Here's another set. Most of what I didnt scan are older 'normal' Silvertowne bars and some other random stuff like Fathers day / Easter bars from the early 70's. Sorry, the gold plated ones dont scan well... Glad you enjoyed. As soon as I opened the box and saw what I had I thought of your rotating avatar immediately.... http://members.cox.net/metalmoney/gfx/70sbars2.jpg
I think I might have died and gone to '70's silver art bar heaven. :111: Lets see........ "Alabama", "Wyoming", "Minnesota" = Hamilton Mint (The Hamilton Mint Official Ingots of United States series); minted from 1974 to 1976. I think the Gold plated silver art bars are also from Hamilton Mint. I think those are from the America the Beautiful series and I think the mint years of this series runs from 1974 to 1975 and the Whole "America the Beautiful" series consists of a total of 50 bars. "First Thanksgiving" = Mount Everest Mint; minted in 1973 "Father's Day" = Mother Lode Mint "Israel 1948-1973" = USSC (United States Silver Corporation) I am not sure about that last one with the "Eagle grabbing a branch". It looks like it might be a Silvertowne minted silver art bar but I am just guessing on that. That is the first time that I have seen that silver art bar but it looks "Silvertowne-ish" in appearance. Very good. You get an "A+". :bear_thumb: :bear_thumb: :bear_thumb:

MetalMoney | 09-28-2009 11:52 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? Quote:
Originally Posted by OutlawJoseyWalesJr (Post 1945499) I think I might have died and gone to '70's silver art bar heaven. :111: Lets see........ I am not sure about that last one with the "Eagle grabbing a branch". It looks like it might be a Silvertowne minted silver art bar but I am just guessing on that. That is the first time that I have seen that silver art bar but it looks "Silvertowne-ish" in appearance.
You nailed' them all. I wasnt sure that the last one counted as an 'art bar', since I wound up with 18 of them I assumed it was a pretty common bar... Here's the last of the more unique Silvertowne bars... http://members.cox.net/metalmoney/gfx/70sbar3.jpg

OutlawJoseyWalesJr | 09-29-2009 12:18 AM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? Quote:
Originally Posted by MetalMoney (Post 1945520) You nailed' them all. I wasnt sure that the last one counted as an 'art bar', since I wound up with 18 of them I assumed it was a pretty common bar...
I am not really impressed with the Silvertowne silver art bars but then again I am a "silver art bar snob". :111: Most of those '70's silver art bars that you posted pics of will sell on ebay for between $22-$30 including shipping. Some of those might sell for more than that on ebay. It depends on the silver art bar. I buy most of my '70's silver art bars locally from coin dealers and at coin shows. When I buy them locally, I can usually pay between $1.50 to $2 over spot silver on average (if I can find the ones that I want). If I manage to win a '70's silver bar auction on ebay, I will usually pay, on average, between $3-$4 over spot silver price. However, I end up not winning many '70's silver art bar auctions on ebay because I get outbid on a regular basis since I set my max. bid at $4 over spot silver. I set my max. bid at $4 over spot silver when I bid on '70's bars because that is the maximum premium over spot silver that I am willing to pay for a '70's silver art bar on ebay. That $4 over spot max. bid factors in shipping costs. Collecting '70's silver art bars is a serious hobby for me and I enjoy it very much. When it comes to buying PM's, I am a collector first and everything else is a very distant second.

horseshoe3 | 09-29-2009 11:41 AM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? Do these bars actually have a pink tint? I've noticed it on some of OJWJ's bars and thought it was just a lighting issue. But most of MM's bars look pink as well.

MetalMoney | 09-29-2009 12:56 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? I think thats an artifact of scanning a 3d object on a 2d scanner. I think you're probably picking up a bit of reflection from the scanning light hitting a bit of tarnish and refelcting back? To me they look like the tint of an older coin. Its still 'silver' in color, but a little darker from age / tarnish etc. The ones on the bottom of the second set of pictures and the 1 in the middle of the first pic are gold plated so they obviously show up different...

OutlawJoseyWalesJr | 09-29-2009 01:22 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? Quote:
Originally Posted by horseshoe3 (Post 1946107) Do these bars actually have a pink tint? I've noticed it on some of OJWJ's bars and thought it was just a lighting issue. But most of MM's bars look pink as well.
On my earlier pics in my "'70's silver art collector" thread, I took pics of the bar using an HP flatbed scanner. For me, it was not a lighting issue but instead it was an issue with my scanner that was creating that "pinkish" tint that you are referring to in my earlier pics. That "pinkish tent" was not on the silver art bars. That "pinkish" tent on my earlier '70's art bar pics got very annoying to me and that was what made me buy a digital camera about 3 months ago. Once I bought a digital camera in June, I was able to take much better pictures of my '70's silver art bars. For me, it is also better that I take pictures of the silver art bars outside because my camera will be better able to show the true color and detail of my '70's silver art bars and the background environment . I do not have the proper equipment to take very good pictures inside my apartment.

RexPerpetuusNorvegiae | 09-29-2009 01:58 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? Is it blood i see on the Israel bar?

Sparky | 09-29-2009 01:59 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? Couple of questions: Why are so many dated 1973? Was that somehow related to Nixon closing the gold window in 1971, and it took a couple of years for supply to meet the immediate demand? Also, are most art bars marked with the two key labels of ".999" and "one troy ounce"? If not, do you stay from the ones that aren't?

Jefferson | 09-29-2009 02:19 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? I think those art bars should bring a huge premium. Some day they will for sure go for big premiums like $100 over spot. Those are BEAUTIFUL. If I had a chance to buy those at spot I would grab the entire world. What a steal. I suspect someone died and the estate sold the silver. That is as good as winning the lottery. Well maybe the big lottery is a little better.

OutlawJoseyWalesJr | 09-29-2009 05:52 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky (Post 1946327) Couple of questions: Why are so many dated 1973? Was that somehow related to Nixon closing the gold window in 1971, and it took a couple of years for supply to meet the immediate demand? Also, are most art bars marked with the two key labels of ".999" and "one troy ounce"? If not, do you stay from the ones that aren't?
I have also wondered why there were so many art bars with the 1973 mint year but I do not think that it had anything to do with Nixon closing the gold window in 1971. I will, however, venture a guess by saying that the '70's silver bull run might have had something to do with so many art bars being minted in 1973 (and 1974). Relatively speaking, I do not think that there were many '70's bars minted in the years 1977-1979 because I do not see many of those as opposed to seeing a lot of 1970-1976 minted art bars. Based on the '70's art bars the I have in my collection, there were apparently a lot of private mints that opened up to produce art bars to capitalize on the '70's silver bull run that occurred. I could be wrong on this but I do not think that there were many (if any) gov't minted silver coins or Engelhard or JM silver rounds and bars that you just buy at will during the early '70's. There were a lot of '70's art bars back then, however, in 1979-1980, a lot of these '70's silver art bars were melted down when silver spiked to $50/oz. As I have mentioned earlier, this is just a guess on my part based on my current level of knowledge of '70's silver art bars but it makes sense to me. However, I will have to seek out more information on that if I can find more info online (or offline) on the history of '70's silver art bars. That is why you have "rarity" values assigned to '70's silver art bars because there were a lot of '70's silver art bars that did not survive the Great Silver melt of the early '80's. How many '70's silver art bars still exist today? That is very hard to answer because there were very few records back then and I think Archie Kidd (of a book called "An Indexed Guide Book of Silver Art Bars") spent a long time trying to locate mintage information and other misc. on the approximate number of '70's art bars that still exist. I suspect that there is a lot more history about the '70's art bars. I will have to do more research on this but it is very interesting. A vast majority of the art bars that I have seen are marked ".999 silver" and "one ounce". I stay away from any art bars that are not marked .999 1-oz.

OutlawJoseyWalesJr | 09-29-2009 06:30 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? Quote:
Originally Posted by Jefferson (Post 1946358) I think those art bars should bring a huge premium. Some day they will for sure go for big premiums like $100 over spot. Those are BEAUTIFUL. If I had a chance to buy those at spot I would grab the entire world. What a steal. I suspect someone died and the estate sold the silver. That is as good as winning the lottery. Well maybe the big lottery is a little better.
You are referring to the "rarity" value of the '70's silver art bars. "Rarity" values play a big factor when a person sells '70's silver art bars on ebay. Rarity values can range any where from $5 over spot silver to $100 (or more) over spot silver. '70's silver art bars can sell for a big premium over spot silver on ebay. It just depends on the silver art bar. For example, 1-oz Coca Cola silver art bars minted by the World Wide Mint will sell for $20-$25 over spot on ebay and at the same time a 1973 Colonial Mint "Nixon" silver art bar might go for "only" $10 over spot silver. Besides "rarity" values, there are a lot of other factors that come into play when '70's silver art bars are sold on ebay such as time of auction, supply and demand, and ebay seller feedback to name a few factors. Another important thing to mention is this...........Just because a particular '70's silver art bar might have a "recognized" rarity value of, for example, $50 over spot silver does not necessarily mean that it will sell for $50 over spot on ebay. It might, for example, sell for "only" $25 over spot than that on ebay. The ebay marketplace determines the total value of a particular '70's silver art bar. Generally speaking, The cheapest way to buy '70's silver art bars is though a local coin dealer or at a local coin show because most of the time, the coin dealers will charge the same premium over spot silver for a '70's silver art bar as they would for a generic .999 silver bar.

Tallships | 09-29-2009 07:30 PM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? All this talk about silvertowne bars... Who here has been to silvertownes physical location besides me?

Master_Ho | 09-30-2009 12:35 AM
Re: Did I just pickup OutlawJoseyWalesJr's left overs? 1 Attachment(s) Just picked up a handful of old Golden State Mint bars and rounds.........at spot. Old but nice! Attachment 79760

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