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NaP@lm | 05-01-2009 12:50 PM
Mint Plans Huge Output Reduction The U.S. Mint isn't about to tell its workers in Philadelphia and Denver to take a six-month vacation, but it could judging from the coin demand target it is aiming for in 2009. The Federal Reserve System has placed orders for just 3 billion coins in 2009, down over 70 percent from the 2008 production level of 10.1 billion. With approximately 1.2 billion coins struck already in the first three months of the year, that leaves eight months into which to divide production of just 1.8 billion coins. In the year 2000 the Mint was striking more than that per month. The Mint says it will build a coin inventory, but unless the Treasury plans to stockpile the current commemorative Lincoln cents as it once did Morgan silver dollars, with its current business approach, it is hard to envisage the Mint going too far beyond projected coin needs. Current workers, though, will embark on a six-month productivity maintenance effort that will assure future capacity. The Mint will also undertake capital improvements and maintenance that would be difficult to do with presses operating at a more normal pace. A hiring freeze also has been imposed. Already there is a scramble by collectors to acquire 2009 pieces because of their perceived scarcity. These target can only increase that perception. http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/...ArticleId=6642

GardensGold&Guns | 05-01-2009 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by NaP@lm (Post 1703556) The U.S. Mint isn't about to tell its workers in Philadelphia and Denver to take a six-month vacation, but it could judging from the coin demand target it is aiming for in 2009. The Federal Reserve System has placed orders for just 3 billion coins in 2009, down over 70 percent from the 2008 production level of 10.1 billion. With approximately 1.2 billion coins struck already in the first three months of the year, that leaves eight months into which to divide production of just 1.8 billion coins. In the year 2000 the Mint was striking more than that per month. The Mint says it will build a coin inventory, but unless the Treasury plans to stockpile the current commemorative Lincoln cents as it once did Morgan silver dollars, with its current business approach, it is hard to envisage the Mint going too far beyond projected coin needs. Current workers, though, will embark on a six-month productivity maintenance effort that will assure future capacity. The Mint will also undertake capital improvements and maintenance that would be difficult to do with presses operating at a more normal pace. A hiring freeze also has been imposed. Already there is a scramble by collectors to acquire 2009 pieces because of their perceived scarcity. These target can only increase that perception. http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/...ArticleId=6642
09 eagles scarcity? yes that is a perception interesting article, thanx

HistoryStudent | 05-01-2009 01:03 PM
Re: Mint Plans Huge Output Reduction I just wish I was a fly on the wall at the head Director meetings with top staff. My guess (read that again MY GUESS - MY HUNCH) is that the future of MOST US MINT precious metal coins NUMISMATICALLY is in discontinuation. The US govt. as most world govts. like Russia and old dictorial nations allow NUMISMATIC coins to be kept by the populations. It's rather like a unnusal trait among nations to leave the coins collected alone to protect their FUTURE their historical future for the generations to come. So if they don't make them they don't have to worry about the collectors having ANY. Kinda like the old real estate deals in the past where the last one in slammed the door on the rest to really up the prices - in a way. I hope you have wisdom and get the JIST! If they don't make the coins like the certain stopages of the US Mint 1804 (hense the 2.4 million dollar coin auction recently for a $1 silver coin) until the mid to late 1830s. 30 years plus. So historically the US mint could easily stop for 20 something years while gold silver platinum hit UNBELIEVABLE highs in terms of the currency being already made 20 times more than it was in 1971 - 20 times is a reason why a cup of coffee at Winchell's with a donut was about 20 cents then - now around $4.00, right? Bread was 19 cents a loaf back in the late 1960s -try to buy one for that now! :ok: I wonder if gold can hit $5,000 to $50,000 an ounce depending upon the panic at the FED like the health department PANIC over 140 swine flu cases? :signs14: The Chinese sign for CRISIS is also the same for OPPORTUNITY! :signs14: It's real hard to know the future - but it's real easy to follow the trend. The trend is your friend - and the trend is that the only ONE ounce gold coin available NUMISMATICALLY is the one UHR and it's ON RATION one-to-a-stinkin'-address, right? They are making hundreds of thousands extra of the one-ounce BUSINESS strike Eagles for the monster boxes - however - I just wonder how long?

Turner-son | 05-01-2009 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by GardensGold&Guns (Post 1703585) 09 eagles scarcity? yes that is a perception interesting article, thanx
Who's talking about 09 Eagle scarcity? The article is all about the mint coins, not bullion - thus pennies, nickels, dimes, quarters and dollars.

Fullpower | 05-01-2009 01:47 PM
Mint Plans Quote:
Originally Posted by NaP@lm (Post 1703556) The U.S. Mint isn't about to tell its workers in Philadelphia and Denver to take a six-month vacation, but it could judging from the coin demand target it is aiming for in 2009. .......... this sentence says NOTHING........... The Federal Reserve System has placed orders for just 3 billion coins in 2009, down over 70 percent from the 2008 production level of 10.1 billion. ............... The Fed Reserve orders mean nothing here............ With approximately 1.2 billion coins struck already in the first three months of the year, that leaves eight months into which to divide production of just 1.8 billion coins. In the year 2000 the Mint was striking more than that per month. ........... dividing production among months??? this has no meaning.......... The Mint says it will build a coin inventory, but unless the Treasury plans to stockpile the current commemorative Lincoln cents as it once did Morgan silver dollars, with its current business approach, it is hard to envisage the Mint going too far beyond projected coin needs. ... the mint intends to build inventory ?? the author " finds it hard to envisage exactly what??? this sentence is pointless. Current workers, though, will embark on a six-month productivity maintenance effort that will assure future capacity. The Mint will also undertake capital improvements and maintenance that would be difficult to do with presses operating at a more normal pace. ... " A productivity maintenance effort " ?? more meaningless drivel. A hiring freeze also has been imposed. .... no more warm bodies needed this month? big deal.... Already there is a scramble by collectors to acquire 2009 pieces because of their perceived scarcity. These target can only increase that perception. http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/...ArticleId=6642
. . . this entire article says nothing. just a collection of meaningless sentences. almost like a US News and World Report article.

HistoryStudent | 05-01-2009 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Fullpower (Post 1703647) . . . this entire article says nothing. just a collection of meaningless sentences. almost like a US News and World Report article.
Well first they deny it, they they belittle it, and then they admit it and shut it down. :goodnight:dontknow::hahaha::fan:

rodzm | 05-01-2009 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1703586) It's real hard to know the future - but it's real easy to follow the trend. The trend is your friend - and the trend is that the only ONE ounce gold coin available NUMISMATICALLY is the one UHR and it's ON RATION one-to-a-stinkin'-address, right?
HS how dare ypu forget about the wonderful spouse coins. Arent those numismatic coins :111:

Buyingsilvers | 05-01-2009 03:37 PM
Re: Mint Plans Huge Output Reduction My guess is this article is talking about regular business strikes, although they have reduced production on bullion items as well. Probably due to the weakened economy and americans dumping their coin jars back into circulation. So they're saying that if you can get your hands on uncirculated 2009 coins like the log cabin & whatnot, those might be worth something to someone. $25 boxes of log cabins are selling for 4-5X face on Ebay.

HistoryStudent | 05-01-2009 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rodzm (Post 1703772) HS how dare ypu forget about the wonderful spouse coins. Arent those numismatic coins :111:
Convicted :36_1_32v: - but, in defense I did mention ONE OUNCE coins - those little pain in rear :36_1_30: spouses are 1/2 ounce - I believe. :111::111::36_3_12: Besides that their sales are like the $1 coins with 8-sides - something to make a lot of and sell just a LITTLE. A Govt. make work job, right?

HistoryStudent | 05-01-2009 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Buyingsilvers (Post 1703826) My guess is this article is talking about regular business strikes, although they have reduced production on bullion items as well. Probably due to the weakened economy and americans dumping their coin jars back into circulation. So they're saying that if you can get your hands on uncirculated 2009 coins like the log cabin & whatnot, those might be worth something to someone. $25 boxes of log cabins are selling for 4-5X face on Ebay.
Nobody is much leaving their homes they are broke and each state has an average of 3 cases of swine flu. Maybe they'll do what Egypt did - kill all their pigs. :10_1_19: Sadly I'm glad they did not name it DOG FLU! :clap2::36_3_12: BUY silver PROOF coins.

Duncan | 05-02-2009 01:08 AM
Re: Mint Plans Huge Output Reduction We're all using plastic to pay now days. My change jar fills up VERY slowly these days. Not much need to make more nickles...

Mined Games | 05-02-2009 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Duncan (Post 1704589) We're all using plastic to pay now days. My change jar fills up VERY slowly these days. Not much need to make more nickles...
Speak for yourself. I never use plastic, as I prefer not to have all of my purchases monitored by Big Brother. My coins come in at a steady pace.

Twisted Avatar | 05-02-2009 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1703732) Well first they deny it, then they belittle it, then they admit it, THEN THEY SHUT IT DOWN.
THAT IS EXACTLY HOW IT WILL UNFOLD.

HistoryStudent | 05-02-2009 09:17 PM
Re: Mint Plans Huge Output Reduction The first thing they'll shut down is precious metal coins. CLOSE right now with only a few allowed out ONE by rationing, I believe. :Surrender::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::ok:

HistoryStudent | 05-03-2009 11:58 PM
Re: Mint Plans Huge Output Reduction The mint just shipped me a few of those SILVER quarter sets (The TERRITORIES like Washington, D.C. & P.R.) I ordered a few weeks back; they EVEN shipped them TODAY - SUNDAY. I'm impressed. Now if they'd just let me slide one more UHR through the red-tape.... :5_1_120::5_1_120::5_1_120:

gbgunner | 05-04-2009 10:20 AM
Re: Mint Plans Huge Output Reduction I'll take a guess that part of it has to do with the proliferation of change counting machines. My credit union has one in each branch. And most of the grocery stores I go into seem to have one of those Coinstar machines. These make it much easier to cash in change. Couple that with inflation, people cashing in their change more often to make ends meet. A lot more change must be making back into the system as opposed to sitting around in jars or drawers waiting to be rolled up when one is was really desperate for cash.

madfranks | 05-05-2009 03:21 PM
Re: Mint Plans Huge Output Reduction Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1703869) Convicted :36_1_32v: - but, in defense I did mention ONE OUNCE coins - those little pain in rear :36_1_30: spouses are 1/2 ounce - I believe. :111::111::36_3_12: Besides that their sales are like the $1 coins with 8-sides - something to make a lot of and sell just a LITTLE. A Govt. make work job, right?
Yes, the spouse coins are 1/2 oz. Re: your other comments, only in the first year of issue (2007) did they make a lot and sell a little - they made 20,000 unc and proof of each release but sold around 1/4 that amount, so starting in 2008 they made them to order, like the UHR, so the first spouse issues from 2008 on have very low mintages (jackson and van buren coins at or under 4000 each for unc). And like the UHR, they can only make them during a set time, after which they can't mint any more, which may mean higher premiums in the years to come. I think the first spouse coins may make smart numismatic investments because of their low mintages, you just gotta make sure you get the pretty ones (some of those first wives were pretty ugly!!!).

harper | 05-05-2009 04:47 PM
Re: Mint Plans Huge Output Reduction a bit off topic..... but does anyone recall the conversion of coins away from 90% silver? was there an announcement? was it considered big news? just curious.

Twisted Avatar | 05-05-2009 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by harper (Post 1709154) a bit off topic..... but does anyone recall the conversion of coins away from 90% silver? was there an announcement? was it considered big news? just curious.
it went something like this........ You Tube
You Tube

EE_ | 05-05-2009 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1709299) it went something like this........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRzr1QU6K1o
You Tube
You Tube

HistoryStudent | 05-05-2009 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by harper (Post 1709154) a bit off topic..... but does anyone recall the conversion of coins away from 90% silver? was there an announcement? was it considered big news? just curious.
I'm rather conservative so........... The COIN guys got it. Back then I worked both as a grocery manager (19 year old) and also soon afterward a pari-mutual manager (Inglewatts, Santa Anita, Del Mar, Pomona, and later Los Alamitos - CA Racetracks). Some of the track pari-mutuel ticket sellers would ask us to save them the SILVER especially the dollars - which I would. I coulda/woulda/shoulda saved perhaps a bag of silver between the grocery & race tracks over a SHORT two to three year period. But back then money was valuable and you needed it to pay the bills. However, The SILVER coins JUST keep disapearing (real silver coins) REALLY slowly. And then like GRISHAM'S LAW the GOOD money was gone (NADA) and the phoney CLAD tokens were there. However, in the meantime - First the sneaky government tried 40% silver halves - then nada. WE trusted the government back then - but the Vietnam War, Kent State, Love-Ins, Hippies, Drugs, and Civil Rights shook things up a BIG BIT. Kinda rhymes with this time via the same cheesy media, Wars, Reverse Ciuvil Rights, bailouts, piggie dealie, love-ins on TV & Movies, Internet, the shady folks in the crime houses (congress, court, and white). This CLIMATE reminds me of 1965 in May before the WATTS RIOTS in L.A. in summer of 1965. It was crazy then I was picking up flowers at 10th and Wall Street. And driving down the Harbor Freeway toward Huntington Beach July 2nd or 3rd - 1965 - and everything was ON fire from the view up on the road. Down below Broadway was all up in smoke - hot and muggy and real stinky - a real mess. Keep your tank at least half full - be ready to run if you see a crowd - and have a few things in the car for extended stays - don't depend upon the system because they'll be busy - protect yourself - remeber the Korean's with SNIPER RIFLES on the housetops in 1992 Los Angeles they were the only ones to keep their neighborhoods' safe. Know when to hold 'em know when to fold 'em know when to walk away - and for GOODNESS sake learn when to RUN! Hope that helps. :signs14:

gunDriller | 05-06-2009 04:54 PM
Re: Mint Plans Huge Output Reduction is this related to people using ATM cards and the economy contracting, there's just less demand for coins ?

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