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AGRO | 04-11-2009 08:21 PM
Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Hi Everyone, I thought I saw a thread on this but cannot find one. I'm hoping there are some Numismatists out there who might have some answers on this topic. I was considering sending in or having my local send in a Barber 1/2 and maybe a walker or two to be graded, but most importantly 2 Peace dollars with sentimental value. As well as two Peace dollars in I hope to be high EF or low AU. They are circulated lightly but have all details on both sides. I would send these first because they have been in my family since probably around 1925. I would love to have them officially slabbed and graded even if it is EF. The problems, I have never done this and don't know which place to send to. The coins are far from MS but may come back any where from Good to Very Fine for the 1/2 and better EF maybe AU on the Peace dollars. Are these grades to low for them to slab a coin? I mean I am the one who is paying for it right? I think I have to be a member of one of these organizations which I am not, so I thought my local could do it for me. I really appreciate any input, feedback, links, ideas. THANKS! AGRO-

Ag_man | 04-11-2009 09:56 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. My friend, I'm not a numismatist, but I doubt the reasoning for sending anything in for grading, unless you think it's close to a MS grade, the cost of grading of the examples you mentioned couldn't justify what you'd gain in resale. That said, I think the grading bodies will grade anything, as long as you pay for it, but I've heard of coins coming back in "body bags", unsure what that means.

CoinNut | 04-11-2009 10:08 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Since they are "sentimental" the value to you is worth far more than any resale value and OK to get slabbed...Many people send in "Lowball" coins. The details are almost worn completely off,so yes they take any condition. I would go with PCGS and read their site and FAQ(questions&answers)...Even if the coin is "cleaned",they will put it in a holder,withuot grading. All pricing,membership,how to,stc. ,you can find on site.

Fabonz | 04-11-2009 10:10 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Quote:
Originally Posted by AGRO (Post 1673298) Hi Everyone, I thought I saw a thread on this but cannot find one. I'm hoping there are some Numismatists out there who might have some answers on this topic. I was considering sending in or having my local send in a Barber 1/2 and maybe a walker or two to be graded, but most importantly 2 Peace dollars with sentimental value. As well as two Peace dollars in I hope to be high EF or low AU. They are circulated lightly but have all details on both sides. I would send these first because they have been in my family since probably around 1925. I would love to have them officially slabbed and graded even if it is EF. The problems, I have never done this and don't know which place to send to. The coins are far from MS but may come back any where from Good to Very Fine for the 1/2 and better EF maybe AU on the Peace dollars. Are these grades to low for them to slab a coin? I mean I am the one who is paying for it right? I think I have to be a member of one of these organizations which I am not, so I thought my local could do it for me. I really appreciate any input, feedback, links, ideas. THANKS! AGRO-
There are so Many BU peace dollars around that unless you have a really rare date the benefit of having the coins graded will not be worth the expense. I have always had good luck with PCGS, but it has been a while since I've used them so their service may have changed. I believe they use to have a service where they would encapsulate the coin to preserve it, without the expense of grading.

CoinHunter53562 | 04-11-2009 10:25 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. PCGS is best if you plan to resell down the road at some point and they offer the "Genuine" service even if the coin is cleaned. NGC is probably a bit cheaper, and even ANACS but wont fetch as much when it's time to resell.

HistoryStudent | 04-11-2009 10:45 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. I'd use ANACS for what you want and what you are dealing with DIRECT. If they were MS64 and above I'd go with PCGS or NGC and join their individual collectors clubs. You'd have access to them then for a year. Their clubs cost a certain amount and have a certificate to cover what you want done NOW. Most of my coins are PCGS about 60%, then NGC with about 37%, and then ANACS for about 3%. So do what you'd like - but any COIN that MEANT something to me would BE definately SLABBED. Period. :signs14::yes:

AGRO | 04-12-2009 03:33 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Thank you all for the input. I think I'll scratch the idea of the Walkers. The Barber I'm on the fence. The deal with the peace dollars is that they will never be sold. I thought it would be nice to have them in an authentic "PCGS, etc" slab for further preservation. Perhaps the slabbing option without grading is the most cost effective. I will take a look at their site and post my findings about non MS coin slabbing.

j-son | 04-12-2009 03:48 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. 1 Attachment(s) i believe you buy the coin and not the holder.....but if youre into holders anacs has the nicest ones.

HistoryStudent | 04-12-2009 04:18 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Quote:
Originally Posted by j-son (Post 1674286) i believe you buy the coin and not the holder.....but if youre into holders anacs has the nicest ones.
Amen. Sadly the collectors' world hasn't picked-up on common sense YET. Like Mark Twain said,"History doesn't actually repeat but the damn thing sure does RHYME!" :36_3_12:

ME CO | 04-12-2009 05:05 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Dam AGRO I thought you had found something really special while CRH, awell. As to the coins in question I would just use the do-it-yourself slabs, airtights. I slabbed my two $5 gold pieces just to keep them from getting any more scratched up, pick up some holders next time your in getting robbed on your 40%ers,haha. :signs14: http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...472_edited.jpg

AGRO | 04-12-2009 06:00 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Quote:
Originally Posted by ME CO (Post 1674393) Dam AGRO I thought you had found something really special while CRH, awell. As to the coins in question I would just use the do-it-yourself slabs, airtights. I slabbed my two $5 gold pieces just to keep them from getting any more scratched up, pick up some holders next time your in getting robbed on your 40%ers,haha. :signs14: http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...472_edited.jpg
Well... I did snag that Barber from 20 rolls!! It's in really good condition considering it's from the 1800's!! Perhaps this is a better idea. Just to airtight. These peace dollars are really Primo though and the thought was to save for future generations with the "official" slab. BTW just sold more 40%ers at 1.25 --- They're just collecting dust here my friend, I "washed" them into a nice EngelHard 10oz'er!

AGRO | 04-12-2009 06:04 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1673455) So do what you'd like - but any COIN that MEANT something to me would BE definately SLABBED. Period. :signs14::yes:
This was my point.. I could really care less about the grade and more the sentimental value. This way when they find them in "Grandpa's" stash they might think twice about spending for candy, which will probably be well over a dollar then!!! HAHA!! Plus maybe learn a thing or two about "real" money, as I did when my grandfather gave them to me...

SirSilverOzzyyzzO | 04-12-2009 10:31 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. ARGO, I seem to think you live in New York - If I remember correctly... If you are in the New York City Area - it's possible for me to meet up with you somewhere and I'll pack and ship off the coins with you and send them into PCGS - this way you can, learn, not feel swindled, see how it's done, and know exactly what the costs will be. With shipping and everything for Peace or Morgans it'll probably be around $23 - $24 a coin, but they have to be valued below $300 each and will take between 20 - 30 business days to get a grade. If the value is over $300 for the coin then about $35 all said and done, with shipping and stuff, per coin.

AGRO | 08-04-2009 08:47 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. I will have a bunch of, $2.5 dollar, Buffalo Indian Heads, and I am hoping for one $10 (1892) "liberty head" I will have these coins on Thursday. Anyone after certain dates for the 2.5 denoms? I believe Ozzy said that to have them graded by PCGS you have to be a member? They will be getting posted by Myself on GIM Buy & Sell soon. Pictures as well. Please let me know if you are at all interested. Some of them may be sent for grading and. Example Gold Buffalo NUMI http://www.cointalk.com/forum/attach...-pcgs-au55.jpg Gold Liberty Head $10 http://www.goldline.com/images/produ...in-o10-lrg.jpg http://www.goldline.com/images/produ...in-r10-lrg.jpg

SirSilverOzzyyzzO | 08-04-2009 09:11 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Yes, you need to be a member to send coins into PCGS, but History Student gave you great advice regarding ANACS - You can download their submission form for free and send them on in yourself. I, myself, Love ANACS, but not for High quality coins. NGC is a joke in my opinion. They scrutinize St. Gaudens way to hard, and flood the market with a million MS & PF 70 everything, regarding all the modern stuff. So, I stopped sending them my coins. They really hurt the Hobby in 2006 with the, lets slab a gazillion 70 Buffalo's forever... Home prices hit an all time high down in beautiful Sarasota, Florida around that time, so I think they had to think of a quick way not to have to move outta town... They did so by flooding the market with 70's in hopes that everyone would use them instead of PCGS... Thus, they were able to stay. Now how is that for detective work... lol... However, they are still the second best. As stated many times before, "Buy the coin & not the slab" rings very true with NGC coins... It was thought up shortly after NGC started slabbing coins... lololol. In short bro, if you have a few high quality coins you want sent into PCGS. I'll buy the coins from you. I'll meet you halfway, package the coins right in front of you, show you the exact cost, then take you to the post office to watch me ship them off. Then sell them back to you when they come back. They come back Registered mail, so there isn't any funny business going on - I'll open them up in front of you, as well. Hint, I'm not allowed to send in other people's coins, so it's why I need to buy them from you. Plus, it will give you peace of mind. Later...:565:

AGRO | 08-05-2009 01:08 AM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Thanks Ozzy and HS! But, Ozzy, what price are you selling them back to me at? I think I know the answer but I would be a Fool, not to ask. If it is for the same, I will figure out some kind of payment. If not....

AGRO | 08-05-2009 01:10 AM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. These coins are a WHOLE different league than cleaned Peace dollars. So I just want to be sure the same sentiments still exist. Thanks Again Guys.

SirSilverOzzyyzzO | 08-05-2009 01:24 AM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. AGRO, My last post was a bit in haste. I thought we were still talking about the other coins and I only just now read your post about the Indian Heads. I'm not sure if the Indian Head pictured is a coin you will be getting, the coin, or a similar one. But you mention possibly having several and getting some graded. So... First, if you are buying raw Indian Heads, there is a reason they are not in a slab (Unless they are from your Grandparents vault... Just be warned, but if they are from your Grandparents vault OVERNIGHT them into PCGS... lol). So, please don't be so quick to get them slabbed. But, if you must then I would seriously be thinking about ANACS, because they will slab a coin that PCGS or NGC would otherwise BodyBag (A damaged/cleaned coin), and it will save you money. Second, if they aren't raw... Indian Heads rarely ever make you money in the crack-out game. Most of them were cracked out and re-submitted many years past, along with all the St Gaudens... Many high grade Gaudens have been cracked out and resubmitted several times. I personally love Indian Heads; that is a coin I'd love to see reproduced. Last, A PCGS membership kinda pays for itself. Get the highest membership and they send you a voucher for eight free submissions... I think the medium level you still get a voucher too... Nothing in this life is for free, but you get the idea - you'll catch on quickly - you're a bright guy.

SirSilverOzzyyzzO | 08-05-2009 01:34 AM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Quote:
Originally Posted by AGRO (Post 1852699) Thanks Ozzy and HS! But, Ozzy, what price are you selling them back to me at? I think I know the answer but I would be a Fool, not to ask. If it is for the same, I will figure out some kind of payment. If not....
Bro, I'm not looking to make money off of you. Sell me them for a buck and I'll re-sell them back for a buck. But, now I'm kinda worried... Maybe it's best you sign up for your own membership and I'll help you out if you have any questions. It's so simple, really. The hardest part is packaging the package to be shipped registered mail - they have all sorts of LAWS about it... and if you don't use the right kinda tape the Postal worker goes Postal on you at the counter... So, it's best to just pay the extra money and ship the coins overnight - bing bang boom easy easy!

AGRO | 08-05-2009 01:35 AM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Ok, if this helps, they ARE from a Grandparents stash. From a TRUSTED source. On Thursday, I will be sure to post the pics. Perhaps only of the ones I am not grading. Time will tell!!! We will be in touch. I will figure out some sort of comp for you. THX

AGRO | 08-05-2009 01:37 AM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Quote:
Originally Posted by SirSilverOzzyyzzO (Post 1852727) Bro, I'm not looking to make money off of you. Sell me them for a buck and I'll re-sell them back for a buck. But, now I'm kinda worried...
Nothin' to worry about bro. Just askin.' See my prior post.:36_3_12: I tried dropping you a line on your page as well.

SirSilverOzzyyzzO | 08-05-2009 01:54 AM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Quote:
Originally Posted by AGRO (Post 1852728) Ok, if this helps, they ARE from a Grandparents stash. From a TRUSTED source. On Thursday, I will be sure to post the pics. Perhaps only of the ones I am not grading. Time will tell!!! We will be in touch. THX
Well, how old is the Grandparent... Do you think he was around when the coins came out, then socked it away without Monkey Gripping them over all these years... lol Seriously Now and I hate to say this because I despise NGC... But, NGC owns NCS. NCS offers a service to professionally check and clean coins. They then send it across the floor on into NGC (For a small Fee, of course), if it is worthy... If it isn't worthy of a NGC slab, NCS will simply slab it themselves, designate it and send it on back home to ya... The trick is to know how to back your bet up. Because, if you send it into NGC first and they bodybag it - it comes home to you at the cost of the slab & shipping fees regardless, however, they do offer you a discount to send it back into NCS... So it costs you more and extra in shipping - it's the backwards way... NCS to NGC is the way to go if you are only 98% sure of the coins condition (As in cleaned or damaged), and probably worth the extra money it will all cost you - think of it as insurance. NGC then back to NCS will cost you more, is the silliest route to a slab, and is a little gamble... ANACS is the way to go if you know the coin was cleaned and or damaged! PCGS is the best and only way to go if you are 99% sure they have not been cleaned or damaged! Use cotton gloves to hold the coins! Only hold them by their rims, if you must, and get them into a NON-PVC 2x2 flip ASAP! Good nite...

CoinHunter53562 | 08-05-2009 01:59 AM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. For those in no hurry, and are concerned about shipping the coins, you could always do a direct submission or on site grading at a coin show... ANACS: http://www.anacs.com/contentPages/CoinShows.aspx NGC: http://www.ngccoin.com/events/index.aspx PCGS: http://www.pcgs.com/shows/do_search_shows.chtml

SirSilverOzzyyzzO | 08-05-2009 02:01 AM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Quote:
Originally Posted by AGRO (Post 1852733) Nothin' to worry about bro. Just askin.' See my prior post.:36_3_12: I tried dropping you a line on your page as well.
I gotcha bro. Were good! No worries. Just bring a Brunette along with you and the coins, but leave alone... lol I'll PM you in a day or two... :23_1_22: People are so gonna think we are lovers... I love it....

SirSilverOzzyyzzO | 08-05-2009 02:06 AM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Quote:
Originally Posted by CoinHunter53562 (Post 1852754) For those in no hurry, and are concerned about shipping the coins, you could always do a direct submission or on site grading at a coin show... ANACS: http://www.anacs.com/contentPages/CoinShows.aspx NGC: http://www.ngccoin.com/events/index.aspx PCGS: http://www.pcgs.com/shows/do_search_shows.chtml
Yes, so very true and absolutely went over my head. Thanks... Lest we also not forget one can try and find a non-sleazy coin dealer, who will be able to look at the coin, probably swap it, and send it in for you too. But seriously, the above links are great advice.

CoinHunter53562 | 08-05-2009 10:28 AM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Quote:
Originally Posted by SirSilverOzzyyzzO (Post 1852761) Yes, so very true and absolutely went over my head. Thanks... Lest we also not forget one can try and find a non-sleazy coin dealer, who will be able to look at the coin, probably swap it, and send it in for you too. But seriously, the above links are great advice.
Thanks man. I did that with some coins at a show in Chicago at the end of June. The nice part is they pick up the shipping, and even overnighted the coins. I dropped them off on a Friday, and they were marked as received waiting to be graded the following Monday. I was going to the show either way, so there was no extra expense or hassle for me to do this...it was just a bonus. :coolbeer:

SirSilverOzzyyzzO | 08-05-2009 11:34 AM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Quote:
Originally Posted by CoinHunter53562 (Post 1853088) Thanks man. I did that with some coins at a show in Chicago at the end of June. The nice part is they pick up the shipping, and even overnighted the coins. I dropped them off on a Friday, and they were marked as received waiting to be graded the following Monday. I was going to the show either way, so there was no extra expense or hassle for me to do this...it was just a bonus. :coolbeer:
Cheesehead State Coin Hunter Dude (Cheesehead State just sounds so funny, didn't I make fun of you once before... ? Lol), So, this type of submission excludes one from needing a subscription/membership, & I did not know they pick up the shipping too. The shipping adds up when you send in a lot of stuff. I'm digging your feedback more & more. Cheesehead people are pretty smart... Thanks. Just be careful if the economy gets so bad and we run outta food, because I love cheese and I'll head to your state hungry for cheeseheads. You'll have to rename it Cheeseheadless state shortly thereafter...

AGRO | 08-05-2009 11:42 AM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Life without cheese is a scary thought. Give you some more insight into coin storage a bit later.

CoinHunter53562 | 08-05-2009 01:09 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Quote:
Originally Posted by SirSilverOzzyyzzO (Post 1853174) Cheesehead State Coin Hunter Dude (Cheesehead State just sounds so funny, didn't I make fun of you once before... ? Lol), So, this type of submission excludes one from needing a subscription/membership, & I did not know they pick up the shipping too. The shipping adds up when you send in a lot of stuff. I'm digging your feedback more & more. Cheesehead people are pretty smart... Thanks. Just be careful if the economy gets so bad and we run outta food, because I love cheese and I'll head to your state hungry for cheeseheads. You'll have to rename it Cheeseheadless state shortly thereafter...
Sorry wasn't clear in my earlier post. For NGC and PCGS you do need to have a membership (not sure about ANACS though). You can usually join on the spot if you don't already have one, but if you do have a membership you're good to go. I know for NGC, they had a show special where you could get a premium one year membership for $109, which included 5 free "early bird" (12 day usual turnaround) submissions. Dude, if we run out of cheese, I would rather be dead! Cheese is the other precious gold stuff. :tongue_ma:

AGRO | 08-06-2009 05:57 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. The coins are IN!!! AND WOW!!!! I'd say there are at least a few AUs. Others mostly XF-maybe some VF. The2.5 Liberty Head is a BEAUTY as well as Several Indian heads. Hoping to get some nice shots up tonight.

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AGRO | 08-06-2009 09:22 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. 1 Attachment(s) Okay guys 7 gals I may send her to be graded... I have a 2.5 denom counterpart that will DEFINITELY bring AU IMO.. Pic to come. Not sure on the 10. This is the only 10 lib head I have. As I said before, if someone may want a coin they feel is grade worthy, we can talk thru PM. She is most likely going into buy/sell here at GIM in a few.

Gordon Gekko | 08-06-2009 09:24 PM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. Quote:
Originally Posted by AGRO (Post 1856069) Okay guys 7 gals I may send her to be graded... She has a few scratches and I have a 2.5 denom counterpart that will DEFINITELY bring AU IMO.. Pic to come. Not sure on the 10. This is the only 10 lib head i have. As I said before, if someone may want a coin they feel is grade worthy, we can talk thru PM. She is most likely going into buy/sell here at GIM in a few.
Get that baby graded and I very well might be interested in that Double Eagle. That is exactly what I am looking for.

AGRO | 08-07-2009 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Gordon Gekko (Post 1856072) Get that baby graded and I very well might be interested in that Double Eagle. That is exactly what I am looking for.
HS and OZZY! Whaddya think? A grader? GG- If you want the only $10 Liberty Head, I WILL have it graded for you. PM me... Thanks for your interest! A SLEW of pics coming tomorrow! :565:

AGRO | 08-07-2009 12:55 AM
Re: Getting a coin Graded - PCGS, NGC etc. 1 Attachment(s) Here is another one - Up for takers!

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