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The Great Ag | 02-05-2007 11:25 PM
New Presidential Coins 3D view For those who want to see what the new $1 Presidential "golden" coins will look like. . . here you go $1 prez coins What is neat is to see lettering on the edge or rim of the coin. This will include the year and mint mark as well as E Pluribus Unum. I prefer $1 coins to $1 FRNs. The Great Ag

REV127 | 02-05-2007 11:58 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view The word "Liberty" does not appear on the presidential $1 coins... Yup. That says it all to me.

mamboni | 02-06-2007 12:04 AM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view GW looks rather stern in that portrait - he must be watching today's goings on with consternation and a little disjust.

ppius13 | 02-06-2007 07:23 AM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view "The word "Liberty" does not appear on the presidential $1 coins... Yup. That says it all to me". But, a picture speaks a thousand words! Lady Liberty is prominently displayed on the reverse. To say it again, in words, is redundant.

gpond | 02-06-2007 08:04 AM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view I predicted that they would eventually be removing the word liberty from our coins when the state quarters pushed liberty "down the page" from it's traditional topmost placement. "I think we should give up our liberty for freedom." -- quote from woman in London.

Abouthadit | 02-06-2007 09:25 AM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view Quote:
Originally Posted by The Great Ag (Post 499915) For those who want to see what the new $1 Presidential "golden" coins will look like. . . here you go $1 prez coins What is neat is to see lettering on the edge or rim of the coin. This will include the year and mint mark as well as E Pluribus Unum. I prefer $1 coins to $1 FRNs. The Great Ag
Pardon my cynicism but... putting In God We Trust and E Pluribus Unum on the edge only makes it out of sight-out of mind. Same with the removal of the work Liberty. NWO incrementalism at work. How long before this becomes the standard for all monetary tokens, then how long before all references to the United States are removed so as to not "offend" future images of Mexican and Canadian politicians? 2012? 2010? Vote NAU, NOW! (sombody please shoot me) :afraid:

ppius13 | 02-06-2007 11:40 AM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view After evaluating my post in light of the other views expressed, I am pursuaded to reverse my opinion. I think that the removal of the word "Liberty" and the placement of "e pluribus unum" and "In God We Trust" on the rim of the coin -- rather than in a prominent place on the obverse or the reverse of the coin -- is an example of purposeful, incremental steps by the government to refashion traditional American ideals and values, in favor of egalitarian and unitary world government principles.

smullen | 02-06-2007 11:50 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view Quote:
Originally Posted by Abouthadit (Post 500254) Pardon my cynicism but... putting In God We Trust and E Pluribus Unum on the edge only makes it out of sight-out of mind. Same with the removal of the work Liberty. NWO incrementalism at work. How long before this becomes the standard for all monetary tokens, then how long before all references to the United States are removed so as to not "offend" future images of Mexican and Canadian politicians? 2012? 2010? Vote NAU, NOW! (sombody please shoot me) :afraid:
Hmmm, I really think the Edge lettering will be neat as I've not seen this before... It will be a unique feature, but at the same time, you got me thinking about this.... Hmmmm I'm goona ask this around.... See what some others think...

ajrocks | 02-07-2007 12:09 AM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view Libertades, at least the old ones and other foriegn coins have writing on the edges, I think it's kinda cool!!!:clap2:

Horn | 02-07-2007 12:11 AM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view Well, that edge lettering probably costs them more than a buck to make... Must be worth it. What's it made out of? Zinc?

REV127 | 02-07-2007 12:26 AM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view Quote:
Originally Posted by ajrocks (Post 501377) Libertades, at least the old ones and other foriegn coins have writing on the edges, I think it's kinda cool!!!:clap2:
It says independence and liberty, in Spanish of course, on the edge of a Libertad. Now take a look at Mexico and what do you see? NAU and dependence on American welfare and jobs. I like edge lettering when it artistically enhances a good and honest coin like a Maria Theresea thaler. These new presidential coins are made from the Sacagawea alloy, the most pitiful and worthless alloy ever used in US coinage. Zinc has more metal value. The intrinsic value is about 5 cents, compared to 100 zinc pennies which would be worth 82 cents. Even the Susan B. Anthony dollar is worth more.

Anty Ep | 02-12-2007 04:30 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view check it. cool, I think I will get 2 rolls. the bank says they'll have em in rolls of 25 on thursday http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/2...oll_wx102.jpg?

The Great Ag | 02-12-2007 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 507264) check it. cool, I think I will get 2 rolls. the bank says they'll have em in rolls of 25 on thursday http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/2...oll_wx102.jpg?
Good to know, Anty Ep. I will have to call my bank and see when they will arrive. The Great Ag

Anty Ep | 02-12-2007 04:48 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view I will keep one roll for fun and one to piece out for fun. But I'll bet they'll press more of these than the Sacs. People really like dollar coins and they snap em up. Especially with all the folks heated up over the quarters I think this will be very popular for hoarding.

The Great Ag | 02-12-2007 05:45 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 507290) I will keep one roll for fun and one to piece out for fun. But I'll bet they'll press more of these than the Sacs. People really like dollar coins and they snap em up. Especially with all the folks heated up over the quarters I think this will be very popular for hoarding.
Especially if gold and silver do sky rocket. Those that can't afford PM numismatics will be left with base metal stuff to collect. So, yeah in a few years (don't know how many 10-15 minimum) those babies should be worth a lot. I will bank roll a few, too. TheGreat Ag

Sparky | 02-12-2007 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by The Great Ag (Post 507341) Especially if gold and silver do sky rocket. Those that can't afford PM numismatics will be left with base metal stuff to collect. So, yeah in a few years (don't know how many 10-15 minimum) those babies should be worth a lot. I will bank roll a few, too. TheGreat Ag
You guys are joking, right?

latemetal | 02-12-2007 06:44 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view What an ugly fucqing coin, if they made it out of silver I could be enduced to collect them.:508:

Jack London | 02-12-2007 08:16 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view Quote:
Originally Posted by gpond (Post 500180) I predicted that they would eventually be removing the word liberty from our coins when the state quarters pushed liberty "down the page" from it's traditional topmost placement. "I think we should give up our liberty for freedom." -- quote from woman in London.
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :emotions16: I hear 20 of them are worth a buck in base metal.

Satyr | 02-12-2007 09:04 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view Quote:
Originally Posted by The Great Ag (Post 499915) What is neat is to see lettering on the edge or rim of the coin. This will include the year and mint mark as well as E Pluribus Unum.
Ya know what other coins in history had lettering on the edge/rim? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/bc2412/nazi.jpg Only, the words on the rim (in German, of course) read, "The Common Good Before The Interest Of The Individual." Be right back. I need to throw on a sweatshirt or something. I just got a bit of a chill. :afraid: At least they were 90% silver.

Anty Ep | 02-13-2007 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Sparkly (Post 507348) You guys are joking, right?
I'm not joking. I like dollar coins and they last two have been hoarded out of circulation. Ergo, they go up in market value. I don't really care whether it's cute or not. I wish I had a few rolls of mint state Sacajaweas too, and yet if you ask me she was ugly as sin.

Jack London | 02-13-2007 07:10 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view I've got a half jar of the Sacajawia and Susan B. Anthony dollars. I get them in change when I buy stamps at the post office. I am keeping them for when TSHTF - I'm going to load them into a sock and use it as a blackjack.

Anty Ep | 02-15-2007 03:59 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view Today I went into my credit union at opening to do some account maintenance and I asked a nice young tellerette with fair skin and blonde hair for these coins. She goes "huh?" The next teller, one of those beyotches who tans a lot, says in a snotty voice "we dont have any of those yet." I said hmmm, would you please walk in the safe and ask your manager if you dont have them because I am guessing that you do." Voila, couple minutes later my teller walks out with a pleasant smile and the two rolls and ten that I asked for. Well all the tellers were watching this exchange and the snotty one that told me they didnt have em turned red as a beet and looked away. All the black teller chicks were all smiling at me upon this, like I did them a favor, which kind of amused me. One of them offered to give me a Sacajawea she carried around. I looked at it, all scratched up like, and said thanks, I'm ok on those! My teller made some pleasant talk too and all these girls started going in to the safe to ask the manager for some for their cash drawers. Anyhow, I have these little things now and after looking on all the coin websites, the cheapest rolls I have seen for sale are at the US mint marked up only to $35. The other sites have them all for even more premium. To me that is odd because presumably plenty have been minted and even a run will not deplete the supply. But if so then I am in luck for my diligence and a little bit of amusement this AM to boot. PS I cant quite make out the writing on the edge without my loupe which I have lost but I think it says "ARBEIT MACHT FREI" which has a familiar ring to it, but I cant quite place the slogan.... Good day to one and all.

Anty Ep | 02-15-2007 04:00 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack London (Post 508473) I've got a half jar of the Sacajawia and Susan B. Anthony dollars. I get them in change when I buy stamps at the post office. I am keeping them for when TSHTF - I'm going to load them into a sock and use it as a blackjack.
These 25 rolls would not be very good to load up yer fist as they are a little short and would only support part of the hand.

The Great Ag | 02-15-2007 08:50 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view Well I bought my two rolls today. One I will sock away or maybe flip and make $10-12 FRNs on them and the other I will spend. I am curious to see what kind of looks I will get from the local cashiers. I am hoping they call the cops on me, but I don't think the store managers around here are that stupid. Overall I am pleased with the new look for the $1 coins which for their metal content are woth .05 cents. On the negative side, I will say Washington has a dower look on his face. He is definitely not pleased to be on this coin, and the writing on the edge or rim is stamped, not raised as is the St. Gaudens $20 double eagle. So those two items make it seem a little cheesey and also the weight, which is the same as a sacagawea feels like the video arcade tokens I used when I was a teenager in the 80's. As Anty Ep wrote, the writing on the edge, "ARBEIT MACHT FREI" is disconcerting, but I suspect I will get over it like the good sheep I am. Besides who would want a gold or silver coin when we have these beauties to use! :9536: The Great Ag

The Great Ag | 02-15-2007 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Sparkly (Post 507348) You guys are joking, right?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack London (Post 507474) :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :emotions16: I hear 20 of them are worth a buck in base metal.
The reason to set them aside, is not for their metal value but their collectibility. Granted it will take awhile. I say 10-15 yearss minimum, but here is why I say stash a roll away. First, a roll costs 25 FRNs. If the funky, quirkly yellow coins don't emerge as a collectors item, then spend them, you have lost nothing. However, if gold and silver take off, a lot of collectors will not be able to afford the gold and silver coins, so they will have to collect the base metal junk. Voila, and original bank wrapped roll will be worth big bucks to them. What harm does stashing a roll away do? It is true that metal value as of 2/15/07 is .05 cents and twenty do equal a dollar. It is also true that a $100 FRN costs.15 cents so $700 FRNs is needed to get a dollar of value. What is your point? It's all fake anyway. Have fun collecting the crap. The Great Ag

Abouthadit | 02-15-2007 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by The Great Ag (Post 510823) As Anty Ep wrote, the writing on the edge, "ARBEIT MACHT FREI" is disconcerting, but I suspect I will get over it like the good sheep I am.
"Arbeit Macht Frei" (Work Brings Freedom) was the sign over the gates of Auschwitz. It was placed there by Major Rudolf Hoss, commandant of the camp. Gives me the creeps. :no_ma:

The Great Ag | 02-15-2007 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Abouthadit (Post 510906) "Arbeit Macht Frei" (Work Brings Freedom) was the sign over the gates of Auschwitz. It was placed there by Major Rudolf Hoss, commandant of the camp. Gives me the creeps. :no_ma:
Yeah, I know what it means. Anty EP was being facetious when he wrote that, but also serious. I think the irs has adopted that motto! The Great Ag

Abouthadit | 02-15-2007 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by The Great Ag (Post 510956) Yeah, I know what it means. Anty EP was being facetious when he wrote that, but also serious. I think the irs has adopted that motto! The Great Ag
Yeah, I figured that everybody would google it, so this only saves the time. No kidding about the irs. Why do I have a mental picture of Big Brother on the telly? :wazzup_sg

TonyG | 02-16-2007 01:26 AM
Re: New Presidential Coins UNAMERICAN The one-dollar presidential coins that make their debut on Presidents Day gleam with nationalistic pride. But to some advocates of U.S. manufacturers, the new coins are downright un-American. That's because the metal is being supplied partly by PMX Industries of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, a subsidiary of Poongsan Corp. of Seoul, South Korea. The U.S. Mint will pay millions of dollars to PMX and Olin Corp. of East Alton, Ill., to provide the metal strip used to make four different presidential coins annually for the next 10 years. And if past payments are an indication, it won't be chump change; the Mint has paid $756 million to PMX and $715 million to Olin for metal used in coins since 1999, the first year for which the Mint was able to produce such data. In 2004, Poongsan won a $42 million contract to provide ammunition to the U.S. Army. I dont' think I want to support such an endevor as taking american work dollars and sending the profits to a foreign company........ OOPS, that's what the Federal Reserve does... http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0207/2764.html tg

ajrocks | 02-16-2007 01:47 AM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view I got an email late today that they were in the banks today, damm I missed it, I'll have to go tomarrow, err, today it's almost two. Anyways they said they were minting enough for each person in the us to have the equivalent of one, so it will easily become a collector. Look what happened to the 1999 quarters, those are worth quit a bit of money!!!

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Copperhead | 02-16-2007 07:56 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view Use the new dollar coin (Treasury issued) and help take away the power of the Federal Reserve to create money one dollar at a time.

TonyG | 02-16-2007 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Copperhead (Post 511991) Use the new dollar coin (Treasury issued) and help take away the power of the Federal Reserve to create money one dollar at a time.
But they have supposedly limited production to approximately 1 new dollar to each person, which equivilates to about 300 million dollars or if you include illegal immigrants, about 330 million. I think that the fed will just continue to 'create' paper money at the same rate that they have been doing. These coins will be an addition to the money circulation irrelated to debt, but related to a produced item sold and resold at a premium. Plus I dont' see how it benefits us so greatly, to use a 1.00 coin that is worth .18 in metal value. That would be like using a liberty dollar (norfed) that has a $50 face value but with silver around $9.00. In other words, the new govt issue dollar will be 2 times as bad as the $50 lib dollar at $18 silver value. TonyG

Copperhead | 02-16-2007 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyG (Post 512064) But they have supposedly limited production to approximately 1 new dollar to each person, which equivilates to about 300 million dollars or if you include illegal immigrants, about 330 million. I think that the fed will just continue to 'create' paper money at the same rate that they have been doing. These coins will be an addition to the money circulation irrelated to debt, but related to a produced item sold and resold at a premium. Plus I dont' see how it benefits us so greatly, to use a 1.00 coin that is worth .18 in metal value. That would be like using a liberty dollar (norfed) that has a $50 face value but with silver around $9.00. In other words, the new govt issue dollar will be 2 times as bad as the $50 lib dollar at $18 silver value. TonyG
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phideaux | 02-16-2007 11:04 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view My local newspaper stated, and I quote: "The Washington coin is gold." :eek_ma: -- Phideaux

Metalophile | 02-17-2007 09:00 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view You know, of course that this is just the first of about 40, and that they're releasing one dead president every 3 months! So if they make 300 million of each, that's $12 billion over about 10 years. And the gubmint gets the seingorage. If paper FRN usage drops, then the FED gets less since they pass FRN's for a buck and only pay a few cents for each from the BEP! I say, go to the bank and get 10 rolls. Buy $50 in groceries and pay with 2 rolls of sacabucks or presidential dollars. Use them everywhere you spend non-plastic money until they circulate! Take a bite out of crime! (the FED).

Sparky | 02-17-2007 10:39 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view Quote:
Originally Posted by Metalophile (Post 512915) You know, of course that this is just the first of about 40, and that they're releasing one dead president every 3 months! So if they make 300 million of each, that's $12 billion over about 10 years. And the gubmint gets the seingorage. If paper FRN usage drops, then the FED gets less since they pass FRN's for a buck and only pay a few cents for each from the BEP! I say, go to the bank and get 10 rolls. Buy $50 in groceries and pay with 2 rolls of sacabucks or presidential dollars. Use them everywhere you spend non-plastic money until they circulate! Take a bite out of crime! (the FED).
I read this release (below), and the rationale is sickening. First, the gov't claims it wants people to use coin dollars because they stay in circulation longer than paper, which saves money. Then they complain that they can't get people to use them. Now, they openly admit that they like they idea of people hoarding so that the gov't can "make" money. Again, this is basically a tax. Washington D.C. -- Delaware Congressman Mike Castle, author of the law creating the Presidential Dollar coin program and a senior member of the House Financial Services Committee, today helped U.S. Mint Director, Edmund Moy, debut the new George Washington $1 coin the day before the Presidential dollar coins go into nationwide circulation. In a photo-op outside Castle's office, they unveiled the new coin to the media for the first time. It is estimated the newly redesigned $1 coin may save the federal government at least $5 billion. "Today is an exciting day for the U.S. Mint and the federal government as the long-awaited Presidential dollar coin program is set to begin and the American people can finally witness the significant financial and education benefits of this worthwhile initiative. Much like the 50-state quarter program, which I also wrote and sponsored, this program will generate billions of dollars in savings for the federal government. In fact, the 50-state quarter program alone has saved the government $6 billion to date and it is estimated the newly redesigned $1 coin may save at least $5 billion. I am not sure of any other federal government program which does this!" "Additionally, these new coins will serve as history lessons for countless students across the country who are excited about the prospect of collecting and using these coins. I have witnessed this excitement during my visits to schools throughout Delaware and am encouraged by the interest in the history of our Presidents," Castle said. The George Washington $1 Coin will be released starting Thursday, February 15, just ahead of Presidents Day and is the first design in a series of coins that will honor each of the country's former Presidents. Four new designs featuring American Presidents will be introduced each year in the order of their service, with John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison to be released later in 2007. A stunning depiction of the Statue of Liberty will be on the other side of the coin and for the first time since the 1930s, coin inscriptions such as "E Pluribus Unum" and "In God We Trust" will be prominently inscribed on the edge of the coins. The billions of dollars are saved through a process called seigniorage, where the U.S. government earns money on each coin that is produced and enters the public arena through a financial institution or the purchase of a collector's sets from the U.S. Mint. For example, it will cost the U.S. Mint approximately 21 cents, depending on the cost of materials, to make each dollar piece. This means that the government will make 79 cents from each dollar that enters circulation. As the public seeks to collect these new dollar coins, and therefore pulls them out of circulation, more coins will need to be generated to meet the demand - creating the pattern of demand and revenue for the government. Money will also be generated by the sale of the First Spouse gold bullion coins.

TonyG | 02-18-2007 03:57 PM
Re: New Presidential Coins 3D view Which would your rather buy? $100 in new george washingtons? $100 in state quarters? $100 in silver ouncers? $100 in nickels? $100 in pennies? ? If you buy the $1 George Washingtons and put them in circulation, sooner or later they will get out of circulation and into peoples hands who want to collect the sets, thinking that someday the sets will be worth more value. In comparison, how much would you give for a collection of the 50 state quarters when completed? If you say anything more than (50 X .25) or $12.50, maybe you shouldn't be posting in "Gold is money forum". In the same way, using fed reserve dollars to buy the $1 fed coins is like trading 6 eggs for half a dozen eggs. I'd rather take the same $1 (or $2), get a roll of nickels and put them away. But, I guess if we're planning to help defeat the fed, then getting the $1 coins in circulation and out of the "uncirculated" collectable column would be a good thing to do. Tony

Metalophile | 02-19-2007 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyG (Post 513445) Which would your rather buy? $100 in new george washingtons? $100 in state quarters? $100 in silver ouncers? $100 in nickels? $100 in pennies? ? If you buy the $1 George Washingtons and put them in circulation, sooner or later they will get out of circulation and into peoples hands who want to collect the sets, thinking that someday the sets will be worth more value. In comparison, how much would you give for a collection of the 50 state quarters when completed? If you say anything more than (50 X .25) or $12.50, maybe you shouldn't be posting in "Gold is money forum". In the same way, using fed reserve dollars to buy the $1 fed coins is like trading 6 eggs for half a dozen eggs. I'd rather take the same $1 (or $2), get a roll of nickels and put them away. But, I guess if we're planning to help defeat the fed, then getting the $1 coins in circulation and out of the "uncirculated" collectable column would be a good thing to do. Tony
Tony, it costs me nothing to go to the bank and get new dollar coins instead of paper FRN's and spend them just as as I was going to spend the FRN's anyway in my day-to-day activities. The goal for me (and, I think the gubmint) is for enough of these to go into circulation that they will actually circulate as regular money. No, they don't have any PM, but since they are coined by the US Mint, at least the FED doesn't get the seingorage, the gubmint does. The Constitution does, after all give congress the power to "coin money". Admittedly, it is a baby step, but anything that removes some of the power of the FED is good.

smullen | 02-19-2007 10:55 AM
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