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mrearlygold | 04-07-2008 01:09 AM
Double Eagles Who likes double eagles? http://www.usrarecoininvestments.com...C_AU58/obv.jpg http://www.usrarecoininvestments.com...C_AU58/rev.jpg :s9:

TaxHaven | 04-07-2008 02:39 AM
Re: Double Eagles Only U.S. gold worth buying! Where else can you get history, numismatic value, bullion value, low mintages and classic beauty - not the result of some deranged artist - all in one coin? Ditto for Eagles and Half-Eagles. My favourite is my 1890-CC. Picture to appear later...:rolleyes_m:

Master_Ho | 04-07-2008 03:27 AM
Re: Double Eagles 3 Attachment(s) I love em!!! As Tax brought up - for the history, numismatic and bullion value (I got mine for a few dollars over bullion) and, especially, the look - a time long gone by (tho I love the St. Gauden's too) - I have a few - but I guess my favorite is my 1904 MS 62. Attachment 42435 Attachment 42436 Attachment 42437

TaxHaven | 04-07-2008 04:47 AM
Re: Double Eagles I got all mine off Ebay, via the much-derided PayPal...! Paid from $810 to $1,045 for @AU starting last September. And, like it or not, Ebay is the closest thing you'll find to a "market price". Some may say that this-or-that dealer sells for less but...availability. The nice thing about Double Eagles is that condition becomes relatively less of a factor because they have a significant base bullion value. I'm still buying now but very selectively. I missed an 1882-CC a few months ago. How about you? Where do you find yours?

Twisted Avatar | 04-07-2008 05:50 AM
Re: Double Eagles Those are beautiful coins...... I will remeber these when I have some cash to burn........ Awesome pixx T

Master_Ho | 04-07-2008 06:06 AM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by TaxHaven (Post 1049840) I got all mine off Ebay, via the much-derided PayPal...! Paid from $810 to $1,045 for @AU starting last September. And, like it or not, Ebay is the closest thing you'll find to a "market price". Some may say that this-or-that dealer sells for less but...availability. The nice thing about Double Eagles is that condition becomes relatively less of a factor because they have a significant base bullion value. I'm still buying now but very selectively. I missed an 1882-CC a few months ago. How about you? Where do you find yours?
I bought mine off Ebay too - spring of 2006 for roughly $650-700. I don't buy much anymore - I spent a year investing all my FRN's into PM's.........now I buy mostly silver bullion and food.............but once in a while I will buy a gold coin if I find a good deal. But that, the St Gaudens and the Morgan were the coins that got my interest in semi-numismatics and from there studying some about coins.

TomD | 04-07-2008 08:49 AM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by TaxHaven (Post 1049840) I got all mine off Ebay, via the much-derided PayPal...!
I don 't deride paypal, they have interceded in my favor both times I stumbled into a scam on ebay. I wouldn't buy anything on ebay without them.

Ronnie Mexico | 04-08-2008 01:32 PM
Re: Double Eagles And the best part is, they're recognized all over the world! From Paris to London, from Australia to Hong Kong. Just like sovereigns, these were the workhorses of the global economy... when the USA actually produced stuff.

HistoryStudent | 04-08-2008 02:30 PM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 1050044) I don 't deride paypal, they have interceded in my favor both times I stumbled into a scam on ebay. I wouldn't buy anything on ebay without them.
PAYPAL got back many THOUSANDS of US Dollars BACK for me on separate fraud type dealings. I always keep PayPal and EBAY in the middle of transactions - IT ain't worth a couple of bucks to go behind or theough the back door - unless YOU LOVE to LOSE! You PLAY you PAY!

Aussie | 04-09-2008 05:59 AM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by Master_Ho (Post 1049798) I love em!!! As Tax brought up - for the history, numismatic and bullion value (I got mine for a few dollars over bullion) and, especially, the look - a time long gone by (tho I love the St. Gauden's too) - I have a few - but I guess my favorite is my 1904 MS 62.
Just bought that same coin on ebay for $1,050.

Master_Ho | 04-09-2008 06:09 AM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie (Post 1053437) Just bought that same coin on ebay for $1,050.
Considering the price of gold, and the value according to PCGS (which is retail so its high) I would say you got a darn fair deal!! Congratulations!!!

Aussie | 04-09-2008 06:35 AM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by Master_Ho (Post 1053448) Considering the price of gold, and the value according to PCGS (which is retail so its high) I would say you got a darn fair deal!! Congratulations!!!
Yeah Master_Ho, I was surprised too. Just paid for it a minutes ago, so I guess it will be heading down to New Zealand next week. Not too many down here I would say. Looking for a St. Gauden's next! There's a lot of SG's out there and the prices vary a lot . . . These will be heirlooms I'd never sell.

Twisted Avatar | 04-09-2008 06:53 AM
Re: Double Eagles Congrats Aussie! I would love to feel some gold coins...... not graded....... just the raw coins in my hand....... when ever I do with silver ...... it calms me down ...... I could only imagine what some gold coins would feel like ......(6-9) 1 ouncers dam near must boarder on a religious experince.!:s9: T

Aussie | 04-09-2008 07:21 AM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1053474) Congrats Aussie! I would love to feel some gold coins...... not graded....... just the raw coins in my hand....... when ever I do with silver ...... it calms me down ...... I could only imagine what some gold coins would feel like ......(6-9) 1 ouncers dam near must boarder on a religious experince.!:s9: T
Hey TA, I hear you man . . . I have singled out a 2007 gold Aussie nugget and a half dozen ASE's from my stash that I keep handy as "jinglers". These coins have no other purpose than to supply me with aural and physical enjoyment whenever I desire it. The nugget is getting a bit knocked around but what the hell, you only live once right! . . . and you can't take with you . . . :D (However, the Double Eagle will get all the respect it deserves)

Master_Ho | 04-09-2008 03:43 PM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie (Post 1053464) Yeah Master_Ho, I was surprised too. Just paid for it a minutes ago, so I guess it will be heading down to New Zealand next week. Not too many down here I would say. Looking for a St. Gauden's next! There's a lot of SG's out there and the prices vary a lot . . . These will be heirlooms I'd never sell.
Any particular year or MS level? I might have a couple of extras I might consider parting with.......but I would have to see what Ebay is getting - might shave a few dollars off for ya!

Master_Ho | 04-09-2008 03:46 PM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1053474) Congrats Aussie! I would love to feel some gold coins...... not graded....... just the raw coins in my hand....... when ever I do with silver ...... it calms me down ...... I could only imagine what some gold coins would feel like ......(6-9) 1 ouncers dam near must boarder on a religious experince.!:s9: T
They say less than 50% of the population has ever held a silver or gold coin.........based in surveys I have run in my classes, its a lot less.........I pass a silver Morgan and a gold coin for them and they are thrilled.......its a first time for about 75% of them! Its a great way to interest them in PMs too!

Seleukus Nikator | 04-09-2008 04:11 PM
Re: Double Eagles I was going to get a st gaud dble eagle but then I hopped on that 1/10 ozer deal from eastern numis so my wad is shot for a few weeks. I may take my goofy red boxed "celebration buffallo" and see if I can swap it to my local guy for a certified st gaudens. Doesnt the buff have more geld in it since it's ,9999?

TomD | 04-09-2008 04:49 PM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by Master_Ho (Post 1054209) They say less than 50% of the population has ever held a silver or gold coin
I can easily believe that on gold but I'm surprised on silver. Surely that doesn't include 90%? Nonetheless, TomD's petting zoo ain't gonna happen. You with the greasy hands, stay the hell away from my Lunars! :bear_angry: Maybe I'll let them touch a Krug for $50.

Master_Ho | 04-09-2008 05:24 PM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 1054295) I can easily believe that on gold but I'm surprised on silver. Surely that doesn't include 90%? Nonetheless, TomD's petting zoo ain't gonna happen. You with the greasy hands, stay the hell away from my Lunars! :bear_angry: Maybe I'll let them touch a Krug for $50.
If they held 905 - they don't know it........but no, I was talking about Morgans, Peace dollars or Silver Eagles......and is 90% a full ounce of silver? Doesn't feel like it! :wink: I have let them hold all the above - all forms of gold bullion and even my lunars - but ONLY in plastic flips..........well, they held some 1921 AU Morgans but that was it!

j-son | 04-09-2008 06:30 PM
Re: Double Eagles i've brought some gold eagle ounces and some canadian maple leaf silver coins to work and showed some workers...out of the 5 workers i showed....two ended up asking me about them at a later date and bought some to hold. i guess thats all it takes is a bit of knowledge.

TomD | 04-09-2008 07:19 PM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by j-son (Post 1054449) i've brought some gold eagle ounces and some canadian maple leaf silver coins to work and showed some workers...out of the 5 workers i showed....two ended up asking me about them at a later date and bought some to hold. i guess thats all it takes is a bit of knowledge.
I don't carry gold around much but when someone understands that the small improbably dense yellow coin in their hand is worth $1,000, they go into temporary overload. Their mouth is usually open and they don't say anything for several moments as they take in the visual and tactile uniqueness of gold.

madfranks | 04-09-2008 10:05 PM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by Seleukus Nikator (Post 1054242) I was going to get a st gaud dble eagle but then I hopped on that 1/10 ozer deal from eastern numis so my wad is shot for a few weeks. I may take my goofy red boxed "celebration buffallo" and see if I can swap it to my local guy for a certified st gaudens. Doesnt the buff have more geld in it since it's ,9999?
The buffalo does have a bit more gold in it, since it is one full ounce, while the double eagles are .9675 of an ounce (because at the time gold was officially $20.67 an ounce, and a coin with a face value of $20.67 was impractical, so they took a little gold out and made it $20).

Jack London | 04-09-2008 10:11 PM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by madfranks (Post 1054765) The buffalo does have a bit more gold in it, since it is one full ounce, while the double eagles are .9675 of an ounce (because at the time gold was officially $20.67 an ounce, and a coin with a face value of $20.67 was impractical, so they took a little gold out and made it $20).
Actually we were on a bimetal monetary system. The ratio was 16 to 1. take the silver content of the dollar divided by 16 and multiply by 20 = the double eagle.

Aussie | 04-09-2008 10:14 PM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by Master_Ho (Post 1054203) Any particular year or MS level? I might have a couple of extras I might consider parting with.......but I would have to see what Ebay is getting - might shave a few dollars off for ya!
Something reasonably ordinary. A 62 would be fine.

madfranks | 04-09-2008 10:16 PM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1053474) Congrats Aussie! I would love to feel some gold coins...... not graded....... just the raw coins in my hand....... when ever I do with silver ...... it calms me down ...... I could only imagine what some gold coins would feel like ......(6-9) 1 ouncers dam near must boarder on a religious experince.!:s9: T
I tell ya, holding those raw coins in your hand is a beautiful thing! If you're looking to buy them raw, I wouldn't do ebay, rather APMEX has pretty good pricing for raw eagles, and they're from a trusted source. With a raw, ungraded coin on ebay, you might get the following: -ex jewlery piece with rim damage undisclosed by seller (paypal will not allow a return on a gold coin with rim solder or rim damage, I know from my very first gold coin bought on ebay) -There are lots of fakes out there; do a little research on how common fake gold coins are and you'll never trust raw coins from ebay again. -Some people try to sell you tiny copies as if they were the real thing, making you think you're getting a real full size coin (lots of people doing this one) - I got scammed from a guy who sold me a "1/10 oz kruggerand" for $50 (back when gold was ~$650 or so) - it turned out to be this incredibly tiny replica piece, weighed about 1 gram!!! After I complained, he told me he wasn't a coin expert, and he assumed a smaller coin was the 1/10 oz version. Paypal actually backed him and I didn't get my money back for that either! I no longer do ebay for ungraded coins! The moral of the story, don't do ebay for raw coins, but certified? Sure!

HistoryStudent | 04-13-2008 06:27 PM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by madfranks (Post 1054793) I tell ya, holding those raw coins in your hand is a beautiful thing! If you're looking to buy them raw, I wouldn't do ebay, rather APMEX has pretty good pricing for raw eagles, and they're from a trusted source. With a raw, ungraded coin on ebay, you might get the following: -ex jewlery piece with rim damage undisclosed by seller (paypal will not allow a return on a gold coin with rim solder or rim damage, I know from my very first gold coin bought on ebay) -There are lots of fakes out there; do a little research on how common fake gold coins are and you'll never trust raw coins from ebay again. -Some people try to sell you tiny copies as if they were the real thing, making you think you're getting a real full size coin (lots of people doing this one) - I got scammed from a guy who sold me a "1/10 oz kruggerand" for $50 (back when gold was ~$650 or so) - it turned out to be this incredibly tiny replica piece, weighed about 1 gram!!! After I complained, he told me he wasn't a coin expert, and he assumed a smaller coin was the 1/10 oz version. Paypal actually backed him and I didn't get my money back for that either! I no longer do ebay for ungraded coins! The moral of the story, don't do ebay for raw coins, but certified? Sure!
Sadly, this is so true. Because 90% plus RAW gold coins are "DOCTORED" to look better - my NUMBER ONE thing is to buy NGC or PCGS only graded gold coins - PERIOD! That plus other reasons makes me BUY PAYPAL with CREDIT CARD for double protection - that's just me - if you want to be a RIVERBOAT GAMBLER - go ahead avoid common sense at your own peril - I always say. Sadly, again some poor soul will be crying the blues how he/she got the ROYAL SCREW - and they will. Honesty the gold cheese bag MINERS always end up with the SHAFT and not the gold - that's because P.T. Barnum said, "there's a sucker born every minute." The moral is not to be ONE!

TaxHaven | 05-11-2008 01:02 AM
Re: Double Eagles Anyone noticed that double eagles have, since US$1,032/oz., virtually disappeared from Ebay? There used to be ten to 15 at any one time. Now, ONE. How about coin dealers? Do they have many on offer? Why is this happening? Fiat currency prices "too low", in sellers' eyes? Or do they expect prices to SOAR later?

EE_ | 05-11-2008 01:36 AM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by TaxHaven (Post 1098480) Anyone noticed that double eagles have, since US$1,032/oz., virtually disappeared from Ebay? There used to be ten to 15 at any one time. Now, ONE. How about coin dealers? Do they have many on offer? Why is this happening? Fiat currency prices "too low", in sellers' eyes? Or do they expect prices to SOAR later?
What? http://search.ebay.com/search/search...fsoo%3D2&fgtp=

TaxHaven | 05-11-2008 01:47 AM
Re: Double Eagles Thanks! Yes, I stand corrected...! If you look under "Liberty Head Gold Double Eagle", you get one result. But that's what they're called on PCGS...

j-son | 05-11-2008 08:24 AM
Re: Double Eagles http://search.ebay.com/search/search...fsoo%3D2&fgtp= even more this way and i have it sorted with a maximum price of $1000 and only sellers taking paypal

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TaxHaven | 05-11-2008 08:42 AM
Re: Double Eagles Thanks...I got a total of 740!! Some are St. Gaudens, of course...and some are ridiculously expensive...$3,000, $4,000 & up. If we're buying in whole or at least in part for the bullion value and the history, I'd prefer to avoid graded MS-64s or blah blahs...just a nice looking $900 will do:rolleyes_m:

Seleukus Nikator | 05-12-2008 08:39 AM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by j-son (Post 1098638) http://search.ebay.com/search/search...fsoo%3D2&fgtp= even more this way and i have it sorted with a maximum price of $1000 and only sellers taking paypal
nice search query dude

TaxHaven | 05-25-2008 07:27 AM
Re: Double Eagles Has anyone run into a fake St. Gaudens Double Eagle or heard of such a thing existing? My latest one, a 1925, has vertical lines on the rim between E* and PLURIBUS* and between that and UNUM***** Is this a normal feature of the minting process?

Twisted Avatar | 05-25-2008 08:41 AM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by Seleukus Nikator (Post 1099756) nice search query dude
Indeed lots to chew on. T

Twisted Avatar | 05-25-2008 08:44 AM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by madfranks (Post 1054793) I tell ya, holding those raw coins in your hand is a beautiful thing! If you're looking to buy them raw, I wouldn't do ebay, rather APMEX has pretty good pricing for raw eagles, and they're from a trusted source. With a raw, ungraded coin on ebay, you might get the following: -ex jewlery piece with rim damage undisclosed by seller (paypal will not allow a return on a gold coin with rim solder or rim damage, I know from my very first gold coin bought on ebay) -There are lots of fakes out there; do a little research on how common fake gold coins are and you'll never trust raw coins from ebay again. -Some people try to sell you tiny copies as if they were the real thing, making you think you're getting a real full size coin (lots of people doing this one) - I got scammed from a guy who sold me a "1/10 oz kruggerand" for $50 (back when gold was ~$650 or so) - it turned out to be this incredibly tiny replica piece, weighed about 1 gram!!! After I complained, he told me he wasn't a coin expert, and he assumed a smaller coin was the 1/10 oz version. Paypal actually backed him and I didn't get my money back for that either! I no longer do ebay for ungraded coins! The moral of the story, don't do ebay for raw coins, but certified? Sure!
Great info...... I wouldnt touch scambay in a billion years. . I got a great many local shops and shows I can visit when I finally have the cash to burn. T

Twisted Avatar | 05-25-2008 08:50 AM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 1054507) I don't carry gold around much but when someone understands that the small improbably dense yellow coin in their hand is worth $1,000, they go into temporary overload. Their mouth is usually open and they don't say anything for several moments as they take in the visual and tactile uniqueness of gold.
There is a 99% probality you just created a moment for them...... I mean one of those thing they will remeber for the rest of their lives something that can be recalled with a crystal clarity. and as PM move to forefront on TV and the like they will be one of the sheep ' bragging" they actually HELD one. Thinking that it is some how going to score them "cool points" T

Satyr | 05-25-2008 09:20 AM
Re: Double Eagles http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...412/189310.jpg While it's not a double, I scored this one on fleabay some time last year for about $409 including shipping.

HistoryStudent | 05-25-2008 08:15 PM
Re: Double Eagles Good deal - any day of the week!

j-son | 05-25-2008 08:20 PM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by madfranks (Post 1054793) -Some people try to sell you tiny copies as if they were the real thing, making you think you're getting a real full size coin (lots of people doing this one) - I got scammed from a guy who sold me a "1/10 oz kruggerand" for $50 (back when gold was ~$650 or so) - it turned out to be this incredibly tiny replica piece, weighed about 1 gram!!! After I complained, he told me he wasn't a coin expert, and he assumed a smaller coin was the 1/10 oz version. Paypal actually backed him and I didn't get my money back for that either! I no longer do ebay for ungraded coins!
i had the same thing happen....paypal didnt back me but my credit card did. i had to file a police report and everything...what a pain in the ass it was. that replica was SUPER TINY...i could barely read what it says on it.

HaroldS | 05-26-2008 01:43 PM
Re: Double Eagles Another reason I always use my credit card with PayPal. They make it a PITA to use a credit card, because that costs them merchant fees, (fees they already have built into their seller fees, irregardless if a credit card is used), but I persevere and jump thru all their hoops. They now have something called Auctiva. Supposed to be a "free" image hosting, but when you go to check out it defaults to Auctiva check out. Why does an image hosting site need to control check out? eBay/PayPal doesn't do anything for free without a purpose. Once they have you hooked up to it, they don't let go. I won't use it. Mutually closed one auction, and another seller successfully bypassed Auctiva by sending an invoice directly from PayPal. Now I scroll down to look for the Auctiva info and skip that auction.

paker | 05-26-2008 04:47 PM
Re: Double Eagles Here's a live auction on Ebay that has a few double eagles and many other U.S. gold coins. I'd like to get into these auctions, but the buyer's fee and shipping kill it for me. http://search.liveauctions.ebay.com/...sl=0&ccn=Coins

TaxHaven | 05-26-2008 08:05 PM
Re: Double Eagles Nice items! But one has to consider why one is into gold: collecting coins or hoarding precious metals? As an investor in precious metals, why would I pay premiums for older or rarer or better condition coins? Or why should I pay more for PCGS other slabbed material?

TaxHaven | 05-26-2008 08:10 PM
Re: Double Eagles Sounds like HaroldS and j-son are not alone. I'm curious, though, why so many people have had problems buying off Ebay...if you stick to the big, established coin dealers you'll never have a problem. Only a few small guys are fraudsters, I think. I've order $40,000+ off Ebay and never had a significant problem. It's an easy way to buy - maybe troublesome to sell, as you say - but is great if you live far from civilization

Master_Ho | 05-26-2008 08:14 PM
Re: Double Eagles Quote:
Originally Posted by TaxHaven (Post 1119511) Sounds like HaroldS and j-son are not alone. I'm curious, though, why so many people have had problems buying off Ebay...if you stick to the big, established coin dealers you'll never have a problem. Only a few small guys are fraudsters, I think. I've order $40,000+ off Ebay and never had a significant problem. It's an easy way to buy - maybe troublesome to sell, as you say - but is great if you live far from civilization
Over the last few years I have bought hundreds of items on Ebay (about 400) and had only ONE guy who was a problem..... It wasn't a coin either - it was a CD with no cover, scratched and covered in something like dried peanut butter........ But I have also bought a lot fo coins on Ebay too - never a problem.

mrearlygold | 11-11-2008 01:49 AM
Re: Double Eagles Oops. :yippee:

jedemdasseine | 11-11-2008 01:57 AM
Re: Double Eagles This thread brings back so many wonderful memories for me! (Cue the violins and grab me some tissues.) My happiest moments in the metals biz were buying and selling double eagles. I've spent many a blissful hour poring over stacks of raw eagles, grading them, looking for hairlines and nicks, looking for counterfeits, and enjoying the heft of them in my gloved hands. Even the slabbed ones were amazing. I remember one guy who brought in 50 slabbed double eagles to sell. What a pleasure it was to see such numismatic history before my very eyes. "Twenty D." over and over again. k. nostalgia over.

MAGNUM P.M.'s twin bro | 11-12-2008 12:15 PM
Re: Double Eagles 2 Attachment(s) Do you reckon this one is any good, it looked reasonably nice to me but I have no experience with the numi stuff. I picked it up for $40 over spot. Thanks for any advice.

madfranks | 11-12-2008 02:12 PM
Re: Double Eagles $40 over spot is a fantastic deal for any gold at this point, but for one of those it's even better! I always try to buy them as close to spot as possible for bullion purposes, but they will always have that numismatic value as well. You did good.

Ronnie Mexico | 11-15-2008 05:33 AM
Re: Double Eagles 2 Attachment(s) Here's a 1876-s double eagle and for fun and comparison a gold dollar, 1874-p. EDIT: new pictures

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