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Silver Gorilla | 11-12-2007 12:59 AM
Old French Silver Coins 15 Attachment(s) Anyone interested in French Coins, Well anyway i began collecting Frenchy coins because thay offer a great opportunity to study art, Now a self confessed French coin addict. I would like to share my hobby with anyone out there who's interested and thereby perhaps to encourage others to collect French coins. :D One of the hardest and rarest coins to obtain is the Silver 1939 20 france Liberte Egalite Fraternite, Setting the price at $14,385 Maison Palombo Auction date: May 1st, 2004 Lot number: 510 Price realized: 8,000 EUR (approx. 9,669 U.S. Dollars as of the auction date) Lot description: Troisième République (1871-1940) Turin 20 Francs 1939 20,05 g Monnaie d’une grande rareté - Probablement la seule connue dans cette qualité FDC. As of 2007 Auction Date October 14th Lot number: 410 Price realized: 14,385 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/result...ite+Fraternite

Silver Gorilla | 11-12-2007 01:15 AM
Re: Old French Silver Coins 8 Attachment(s) The rest of them but not all, i will add more next time :D

AlwaysWrite | 11-12-2007 02:14 AM
Re: Old French Silver Coins I almost picked a couple of the bullion French coins up when I was in Paris last month, but I didn't know the silver weights of them. Some are pretty cool, I like the last ones you pictured, I forget what they're called.

Silverity | 11-12-2007 04:56 AM
Re: Old French Silver Coins I collect the Morgan sized French 5 Francs from the 19th century - 90% silver and reasonably cheap for numismatics. I also have some of the 1960s 10 and 50 Francs struck in 90% silver, nice and cheap for silver investing. What is the silver content of the 1930s 20 Francs?

TomD | 11-12-2007 08:37 AM
Re: Old French Silver Coins All of my very limited collection of French coins are gold, a couple Lucky Angels and several "Merci de franc" euro denominated coins. I see that the "sower" is a concept that repeats on French coins. http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...ancobverse.jpg

Anty Ep | 11-12-2007 09:25 AM
monnaie de vichy I have an aluminum Vichy coin I bought for ten cents that gives me more delight than all my Herakles silver bullion coins combined. http://i15.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/a4/f8/971a_1.JPG from a bbc article about the franc: Quote:
The coins also changed, adopting the emblem of the Vichy regime and the words "travail, famille, patrie" (work, family, fatherland).
... and also they said "Etat Francaise" not French Republic there are important differences here-- the contrast is from blood and soil and organic relations-- patriotic and nationalistic traditional organic values vs the republican ideas of secular brotherhood and individualism, etc "liberte, fraternite, egalite"

Silver Gorilla | 11-12-2007 04:30 PM
Re: Old French Silver Coins Quote:
Originally Posted by AlwaysWrite (Post 826163) I almost picked a couple of the bullion French coins up when I was in Paris last month, but I didn't know the silver weights of them. Some are pretty cool, I like the last ones you pictured, I forget what they're called.
there called 50 Centimes, There cool and fun some are rare and some are very rare.:wink:

Silver Gorilla | 11-12-2007 04:36 PM
Re: Old French Silver Coins Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverity (Post 826246) I collect the Morgan sized French 5 Francs from the 19th century - 90% silver and reasonably cheap for numismatics. I also have some of the 1960s 10 and 50 Francs struck in 90% silver, nice and cheap for silver investing. What is the silver content of the 1930s 20 Francs?
I have bought some of those, thay make a good silver investment because you can get them two times under the silver price.

Silver Gorilla | 11-12-2007 04:42 PM
Re: Old French Silver Coins Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 826411) All of my very limited collection of French coins are gold, a couple Lucky Angels and several "Merci de franc" euro denominated coins. I see that the "sower" is a concept that repeats on French coins. [IMG]http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x229/TomD77 /MercideFrancobverse.jpg[/IMG]
Excellent pitcher TomD, If you ever think of selling your gold french coin i would like to be the first to know of it Pleas.

Silver Gorilla | 11-12-2007 04:48 PM
Re: monnaie de vichy Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 826483) I have an aluminum Vichy coin I bought for ten cents that gives me more delight than all my Herakles silver bullion coins combined. http://i15.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/a4/f8/971a_1.JPG from a bbc article about the franc: ... and also they said "Etat Francaise" not French Republic there are important differences here-- the contrast is from blood and soil and organic relations-- patriotic and nationalistic traditional organic values vs the republican ideas of secular brotherhood and individualism, etc "liberte, fraternite, egalite"
Anty i wanted to post some of the aluminum french coins up here, but decided not to, So Anty do you know of any rare or valuable alumimnum french coins.

Anty Ep | 11-12-2007 05:03 PM
Re: monnaie de vichy Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Gorilla (Post 827355) Anty i wanted to post some of the aluminum french coins up here, but decided not to, So Anty do you know of any rare or valuable alumimnum french coins.
these are neither rare nor valuable. but they are considerably more rare than the republic francs. still they are only worth a quarter or so. acc to the krause book. which, you should get if you are into international coins

Ivlianvs | 11-13-2007 07:42 AM
Re: Old French Silver Coins Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverity (Post 826246) What is the silver content of the 1930s 20 Francs?
Here the Wikipedia entry (in French): http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_Turin Net weight: 20,00 g Silver weight: 13,60 g Silver content: 680 �

Ivlianvs | 11-13-2007 07:51 AM
Re: Old French Silver Coins And BTW, the pre-1914 French (and Belgians, Greeks, Swiss & Italian) coins are all made according to the specifications of the Latin Monetary union: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Monetary_Union <TABLE class=prettytable><TBODY><TR><TD>100 Fr.</TD><TD>32,26 g</TD><TD>35 mm</TD><TD>Gold 900/1000</TD></TR><TR><TD>50 Fr.</TD><TD>16,13 g</TD><TD>28 mm</TD><TD>Gold 900/1000</TD></TR><TR><TD>20 Fr.</TD><TD>6,45 g</TD><TD>21 mm</TD><TD>Gold 900/1000</TD></TR><TR><TD>10 Fr.</TD><TD>3,23 g</TD><TD>19 mm</TD><TD>Gold 900/1000</TD></TR><TR><TD>5 Fr.</TD><TD>1,61 g</TD><TD>17 mm</TD><TD>Gold 900/1000</TD></TR><TR><TD>5 Fr.</TD><TD>25,00 g</TD><TD>37 mm</TD><TD>Silver 900/1000</TD></TR><TR><TD>2 Fr.</TD><TD>10,00 g</TD><TD>27 mm</TD><TD>Silver 835/1000</TD></TR><TR><TD>1 Fr.</TD><TD>5,00 g</TD><TD>23 mm</TD><TD>Silver 835/1000</TD></TR><TR><TD>0,50 Fr.</TD><TD>2,50 g</TD><TD>18 mm</TD><TD>Silver 835/1000</TD></TR><TR><TD>0,20 Fr.</TD><TD>1,00 g</TD><TD>16 mm</TD><TD>Silver 835/1000</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

HistoryStudent | 11-13-2007 08:36 AM
Re: Old French Silver Coins I've got 10 - 20 Franc GOLD French coins from 1810-1813 Napoleon coins. I'm going to send them in to NGC for grading ALL "about EF" - and sell them on EBAY someday. Got 'em rather cheap in 1997 or so. Clinton-Rubin-Summers years of Gibson's Paradox and cheap gold. http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_01/howe082201.html "NO MAS, AMIGOS!"

Silverity | 11-13-2007 08:48 AM
Re: Old French Silver Coins Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivlianvs (Post 828229) Here the Wikipedia entry (in French): http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_Turin Net weight: 20,00 g Silver weight: 13,60 g Silver content: 680 �
Thanks, so not as high content but probably cheaper than 19th century coins.

Silver Gorilla | 11-13-2007 09:11 PM
Re: Old French Silver Coins Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 828275) I've got 10 - 20 Franc GOLD French coins from 1810-1813 Napoleon coins. I'm going to send them in to NGC for grading ALL "about EF" - and sell them on EBAY someday. Got 'em rather cheap in 1997 or so. Clinton-Rubin-Summers years of Gibson's Paradox and cheap gold. http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_01/howe082201.html "NO MAS, AMIGOS!"
HistoryStudent are your coins (Napoleon Empereur) or R thay Napoleon I II III Like that. There is one gold coin that was produced during the reign of Napoleon I and its an extremely rare 20 francs goldy, minted in Nantes, I think it was the 1812 or 1813

Silver Gorilla | 11-13-2007 09:39 PM
Re: Old French Silver Coins 2 Attachment(s) I need some help with this coin, French Moroccan period

Silver Gorilla | 11-14-2007 08:44 PM
Re: Old French Silver Coins 5 Attachment(s) Two Francs 1916 and 1917 I dont see these ones anymore. 20 Franc 1933 liberte egalite fraternite, I cleaned it by accident.

Ivlianvs | 11-16-2007 03:57 AM
Re: Old French Silver Coins Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Gorilla (Post 829250) I need some help with this coin, French Moroccan period
silver content is 720/1000, rather common ($5-$10 according to Krause)

Silver Gorilla | 11-17-2007 06:00 PM
Re: Old French Silver Coins Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivlianvs (Post 832682) silver content is 720/1000, rather common ($5-$10 according to Krause)
I could not find my Krause, but i found something interesting about the AH-1370 100 franc its a major rarity, Krause says that 10 million of these coins were minted but nearly all were melted. Today, only 100 are known, All of the coins are easily identified as coinage of the French Moroccan period by the presence of either the legend �Empire Cherifien� or the legend �Maroc.� All of the coins will have one or the other legend, and often both. All of the coins will also have either a five-pointed star or a Star of David and sometimes both. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_franc

Anty Ep | 11-19-2007 09:24 AM
Re: Old French Silver Coins i picked up a swiss silver franc over the weekend, for $2, looked up in krause and it said 1.50-4 depending on condition. i was pretty thrilled. also got a 2 belgian franc coin with king leopold II on its face, for $14, which was bout the size of a silver dollar, maybe a little heavier.

Ivlianvs | 11-19-2007 03:57 PM
Re: Old French Silver Coins Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 836305) also got a 2 belgian franc coin with king leopold II on its face, for $14, which was bout the size of a silver dollar, maybe a little heavier.
Belgium was part of the Latin monetary union too, so your coin should be pretty exactly 10g! <table class="prettytable"><tbody><tr><td>2 Fr.</td><td>10,00 g</td><td>27 mm</td><td>Silver 835/1000</td></tr></tbody></table>

Anty Ep | 11-19-2007 04:37 PM
Re: Old French Silver Coins Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivlianvs (Post 836918) Belgium was part of the Latin monetary union too, so your coin should be pretty exactly 10g! <TABLE class=prettytable><TBODY><TR><TD>2 Fr.</TD><TD>10,00 g</TD><TD>27 mm</TD><TD>Silver 835/1000</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
well 10 grams would be about a third of an ounce which would suck. or en francais "ca serait mal" It feels and hefts and looks like a US silver dollar, which is 3/4 troy ounce.

Silver Gorilla | 11-19-2007 09:04 PM
Re: Old French Silver Coins 9 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 836305) i picked up a swiss silver franc over the weekend, for $2, looked up in krause and it said 1.50-4 depending on condition. i was pretty thrilled. also got a 2 belgian franc coin with king leopold II on its face, for $14, which was bout the size of a silver dollar, maybe a little heavier.
You would never believe what happened last night, I and my friend went out coin hunting, a place we had been before one year ago, we never struck anything at this darn place, ok so he stops by my house and says letts go just for the good times, this was by a rocky sea where the romans once occupied that part of the land. It just took us 3 hours until my metal detector started to make a high pitch tone, it almost blew me ear hole out, i think it needs adjusting, Well i found 46 Silver Coins just right under a big flat rock that had a long hole in the ground, in it was a wooden box that was eaten up by god knows what, i was so happy i started yelling at my friend bingo bingo, my friend ran so fast he fell like 14 times on his way over, that was the funniest glimpseit, heheheheh i was counting his falls :D , So we stoped looking and went back home, out of the 46 i gave him 23, i picked first hehehe, well here are the coins i found, untell now i only found two that has very very good value, Not bad for 3 hours, we are going to camp there for a week starting by thursday. Wish me good luck on my next coin hunting. :D 5 francs - 1870 K Bordeaux - Sans légende Rarissime (approx. $3,500 http://www.cgb.fr/monnaies/vso/v25/g...iesgbcfd6.html CASA SAVOIA Carlo Alberto (1831-1849) zecche di Genova e Torino d=38 mm 5 Lire 1844. Genova. AR, gr. 25,04 - ø 37,1 mm. Simile al precedente. CNI 92. Pagani 255. Sim 11/29. MIR 1047ad 1,100 EUR (approx. $1,351 U.S. Dollars as of the auction date) Auction date: June 4th, 2005 http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotvie...ID=115&Lot=368

Anty Ep | 11-20-2007 08:51 AM
Re: Old French Silver Coins sg, you got to be kidding me. you found those with a freakin metal detector? what kind of place? you must live out east

Silver Gorilla | 11-20-2007 10:37 AM
Re: Old French Silver Coins Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 838002) sg, you got to be kidding me. you found those with a freakin metal detector? what kind of place? you must live out east
No Kidding realy, Im using the CS5MXP- CSCOPE, :D I live out North East of the world ?

TomD | 11-20-2007 10:54 AM
Re: Old French Silver Coins SG, do you have an an image program? You can improve your shots dramatically in just a few seconds. I spruced this shot up, really took less than a minute. http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...f/DSC06800.jpg

Silver Gorilla | 11-20-2007 11:09 AM
Re: Old French Silver Coins Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 838177) SG, do you have an an image program? You can improve your shots dramatically in just a few seconds. I spruced this shot up, really took less than a minute. http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...f/DSC06800.jpg
TomD your to good buddy, no one can top your photography No one. I do need some help on this coin, I cant find anything in my books nor the net, if you can help me out its a NAPOLEON III � EMPEREUR 1856 (D) 5 Francs silver coin :smokin:

TomD | 11-20-2007 12:00 PM
Re: Old French Silver Coins Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Gorilla (Post 838198) TomD your to good buddy, no one can top your photography No one. I do need some help on this coin, I cant find anything in my books nor the net, if you can help me out its a NAPOLEON III � EMPEREUR 1856 (D) 5 Francs silver coin :smokin:
That's your photography, I just cleaned it up a little. Sorry but I can come closer to designing a nuclear reactor than identifying old French coins. I know the gold Lucky Angel and that's it.

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