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esoteric | 03-14-2009 08:53 AM
International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Hay all I am interesting in buying a fair few MS-63 and MS-64 Saints but the only problem is that I am based overseas. Anyone know a good trust worth company that ships internationally? I know ebay has some but I have never been much of a fan of their system and the prices also seem slightly higher. Any experience with using DHL, Fedex, USPS or UPS to ship these high value goods? I also checked out a NJ dealer named Andrew Gause......just waiting for him to get back to me. Cheers for any info

End of Hope | 03-14-2009 11:29 AM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Internationally where? Some dealers would ship to, say, Germany, and others would not ship to Russia...or places uncivilized, like Black Africa. I don't see any detailed shipping information on their site, so I'm not certain, but you could try contacting - http://www.gainesvillecoins.com/ If you pay via bank wire, there wouldn't be much reason not to ship internationally...but you need to email them to make sure.

HistoryStudent | 03-14-2009 11:59 AM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by End of Hope (Post 1625009) Internationally where? Some dealers would ship to, say, Germany, and others would not ship to Russia...or places uncivilized, like Black Africa. I don't see any detailed shipping information on their site, so I'm not certain, but you could try contacting - http://www.gainesvillecoins.com/ If you pay via bank wire, there wouldn't be much reason not to ship internationally...but you need to email them to make sure.
That is good INFORMATION. Call them.

esoteric | 03-15-2009 01:54 AM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Thanks for the input. I am currently based in Asia, Taiwan.

twenty4karat | 03-15-2009 03:39 PM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by esoteric (Post 1626160) Thanks for the input. I am currently based in Asia, Taiwan.
While you're there, beware of counterfit American Gold and Silver coins coming out of China. It's Pandemic! Maranatha, :smile: P.S. Thank You for your sacrifice and service to our Country.

HistoryStudent | 03-15-2009 09:08 PM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? They usually PHONEY up on HIGHER profit items - if one sticks with COMMON dates and checks with the slabber via number and checks closely the item - one should be 99.9999% okay. No body is perfect. :signs14::111::111:

End of Hope | 03-15-2009 11:28 PM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by esoteric (Post 1626160) Thanks for the input. I am currently based in Asia, Taiwan.
Taiwan is a highly-civilized country with a very efficient postal service, so I'm thinking you will have good fortune in ordering. Let us know how it goes!

esoteric | 03-16-2009 10:10 AM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? cheers for the info guys. yep Taiwan is high developed, maybe even slightly over developed country. on a side note I find it funny that when ever Taiwan or somewhere like Hong Kong is mentioned people get this imagine that everything is fake and markets are not as efficient as the western markets, this is quite ridicules idea for anyone who has traveled out of the US. the Asian gold market is highly efficient (none of this ID required, pay us the funds now and we'll give you the goods in 8weeks crap, all cash in and you walk out with what you buy). They also have better prices on physical (under international spot!) then anywhere else I have been in the world. only problem is that they do not have rare pre-1933 US coins.

esoteric | 03-16-2009 10:12 AM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1627436) They usually PHONEY up on HIGHER profit items - if one sticks with COMMON dates and checks with the slabber via number and checks closely the item - one should be 99.9999% okay. No body is perfect. :signs14::111::111:
I agree......slightly hard for them to register the serial number with PCGS or NGC.

Curmudgeonista | 03-16-2009 10:17 AM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by esoteric (Post 1628164) cheers for the info guys. yep Taiwan is high developed, maybe even slightly over developed country. on a side note I find it funny that when ever Taiwan or somewhere like Hong Kong is mentioned people get this imagine that everything is fake and markets are not as efficient as the western markets, this is quite ridicules idea for anyone who has traveled out of the US. the Asian gold market is highly efficient (none of this ID required, pay us the funds now and we'll give you the goods in 8weeks crap, all cash in and you walk out with what you buy). They also have better prices on physical (under international spot!) then anywhere else I have been in the world. only problem is that they do not have rare pre-1933 US coins.
I tried to buy Gold last time I was in HK and couldn't find a source. I also travel to Taiwan pretty often on business. Any tips on where to go to find the good deals?

ng1469 | 03-16-2009 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by esoteric (Post 1628169) I agree......slightly hard for them to register the serial number with PCGS or NGC.
Not if they just search Ebay for the same item they are counterfeiting and just use someone elses serial number. Lets hope it doesnt come to that, there would be thousands of the same serial number slabs and no one would know which was real.

esoteric | 03-16-2009 10:28 PM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by Curmudgeonista (Post 1628179) I tried to buy Gold last time I was in HK and couldn't find a source. I also travel to Taiwan pretty often on business. Any tips on where to go to find the good deals?
Hong Kong is not so good, very messy market and also their HK 5 tael bars are always under weight (the dealers in HK do not inform outside buyers of much info and you are likely to get ripped off). If you are going to buy either get bars refined by Taiwanese refiners or UBS. The Taiwanese refiners are 9999 and we have tested them for purity and weight, they come up better then the UBS bars. There are plenty of sources but difficult to get good prices if you are only here for a short stay. doing business with asians is different to what we are use to, as they work purely in cash so most of it is based on trust.

esoteric | 03-18-2009 02:19 AM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by ng1469 (Post 1628268) Not if they just search Ebay for the same item they are counterfeiting and just use someone elses serial number. Lets hope it doesnt come to that, there would be thousands of the same serial number slabs and no one would know which was real.
you bring up a good point, what a pain in the ass that would be. your getting me worried.....as no one really opens the plastic capsules to actually feel the coins. guess we have to just stick to large reliable dealers.

prophet | 03-18-2009 10:18 PM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Tried to purchase a lunar from ebay. Won the bid but, no shipping service such as fedex, usps, ups wanted to insure the item to asia, and and not even canada! :no_ma:

j-son | 03-18-2009 10:29 PM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by prophet (Post 1633408) Tried to purchase a lunar from ebay. Won the bid but, no shipping service such as fedex, usps, ups wanted to insure the item to asia, and and not even canada! :no_ma:
i've been looking into shipping to asia too....seems that fedex and ups wont insure bullion/gold and usps will only insure a flat rate box up to $1350 maximum and it costs over $50 for that service! thats probably why dealers in the states wont ship overseas. of course you can buy it without insurance and hope for the best since most packages get there safely.

HistoryStudent | 03-18-2009 11:31 PM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by ng1469 (Post 1628268) Not if they just search Ebay for the same item they are counterfeiting and just use someone elses serial number. Lets hope it doesnt come to that, there would be thousands of the same serial number slabs and no one would know which was real.
Not that this is a perfect solution; however it does seem to work. Years ago I found out that MANY were making PHONEY COLT .45 Peacemakers because... read this three times - "they were VERY profitable and way overpriced and the ones BUYING them were tricked into thinking they were GETTING a STEAL!" So if you stick with common dates (1) they won't be way over priced compared to the RARE ones. (2) won't be as profitable as rare ones; (3) won't be as conterfeited as RARE ones (profit again!); (4) you won't be getting a steal say on a 1924 Saint with 100,000 out there just like the one you bought, may be buying, or may be selling- all will be at market; (5) and you defuse 98% of the possible problems. Besides as the public comes into them only the PT Barnum suckers will be trying to buy the RARE ones first at a steal. Just like I was taught about via the old 1st Generation Colts bring some 10 to 25 thousands. Like the rare Saints which will attrack the jerks. Remember even the old COUNTERFEITED British sovereigns were made from real gold and they were still worth their gold weight in spot. Hope that helps you protect yourself. Compare your coins to a like graded coin - check out the slab = BUY the coin not the SLAB NUMBER MS grade. :yes: Please be wise as serpents and act like doves. Know the territory. Never buy something TOO GOOD to be TRUE - because it probably IS NOT. :yes: Simple. If you still are scared only BUY the brand NEW type slabs - PCGS NGC and sometimes I use for cleaned coins as they are not in the conterfeit sights as yet - ANACS.

esoteric | 03-18-2009 11:47 PM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? HS first the info you provide here is really appreciated! Is purchasing from a large dealers like gainsville, david hall or andrew guase pretty much safe? I am thinking these guys know what they are looking at and can spot them. Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1633534) Not that this is a perfect solution; however it does seem to work. Years ago I found out that MANY were making PHONEY COLT .45 Peacemakers because... read this three times - "they were VERY profitable and way overpriced and the ones BUYING them were tricked into thinking they were GETTING a STEAL!" So if you stick with common dates (1) they won't be way over priced compared to the RARE ones. (2) won't be as profitable as rare ones; (3) won't be as conterfeited as RARE ones (profit again!); (4) you won't be getting a steal say on a 1924 Saint with 100,000 out there just like the one you bought, may be buying, or may be selling- all will be at market; (5) and you defuse 98% of the possible problems. Besides as the public comes into them only the PT Barnum suckers will be trying to buy the RARE ones first at a steal. Just like I was taught about via the old 1st Generation Colts bring some 10 to 25 thousands. Like the rare Saints which will attrack the jerks. Remember even the old COUNTERFEITED British sovereigns were made from real gold and they were still worth their gold weight in spot. Hope that helps you protect yourself. Compare your coins to a like graded coin - check out the slab = BUY the coin not the SLAB NUMBER MS grade. :yes: Please be wise as serpents and act like doves. Know the territory. Never buy something TOO GOOD to be TRUE - because it probably IS NOT. :yes: Simple. If you still are scared only BUY the brand NEW type slabs - PCGS NGC and sometimes I use for cleaned coins as they are not in the conterfeit sights as yet - ANACS.

prophet | 03-19-2009 02:24 AM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by j-son (Post 1633429) i've been looking into shipping to asia too....seems that fedex and ups wont insure bullion/gold and usps will only insure a flat rate box up to $1350 maximum and it costs over $50 for that service! thats probably why dealers in the states wont ship overseas. of course you can buy it without insurance and hope for the best since most packages get there safely.
If i pay by paypal, does paypal insured against loss of the item?

j-son | 03-19-2009 08:43 AM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by prophet (Post 1633705) If i pay by paypal, does paypal insured against loss of the item?
your credit card probably will.

HistoryStudent | 03-19-2009 11:13 AM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by esoteric (Post 1633553) HS first the info you provide here is really appreciated! Is purchasing from a large dealers like gainsville, david hall or andrew guase pretty much safe? I am thinking these guys know what they are looking at and can spot them.
YES. take a look at http://www.apmex.com too - especially for BULK purchases - BUT just compare things change from moment to moment. Imagine if the FED monetizes three more trillion today - gold would really JUMP that moment. Please keep in mind a trillion seconds takes thirty-two thousand five hundred years to PASS us by - wow!

HistoryStudent | 03-19-2009 11:16 AM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by j-son (Post 1633979) your credit card probably will.
Yes J-son is right. Don't use your regular account - use your credit card for that specific PURCHASE by simply using the services of PAYPAL. Hope that makes sense - common sense. :15_1_70v:

Curmudgeonista | 03-19-2009 12:36 PM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1633534) ...So if you stick with common dates (1) they won't be way over priced compared to the RARE ones. (2) won't be as profitable as rare ones; (3) won't be as conterfeited as RARE ones (profit again!); (4) you won't be getting a steal say on a 1924 Saint with 100,000 out there just like the one you bought, may be buying, or may be selling- all will be at market; (5) and you defuse 98% of the possible problems. Besides as the public comes into them only the PT Barnum suckers will be trying to buy the RARE ones first at a steal. Just like I was taught about via the old 1st Generation Colts bring some 10 to 25 thousands. Like the rare Saints which will attrack the jerks...
I won't argue that there is merit to your argument about conterfeited items where suckers are concerned. However, I'd think the smarter conterfeiters would realize that there is much more volume to be done in common dates and maybe a little less scrutiny of them on the part of the buyers. Think about it. If I wanted to try to pull one over on a shrewder buyer I wouldn't expect to be able to get away with it on a rare coin. But, I might just be able to on something that's being bought as a semi-bullion, comodity-ish bulk holding... and I'd want to make it just enough of a bargain not to be a tip-off that something's wrong. Not saying everyone would necessarily fall for it, but if a counterfeiter is going to try to go after a broader and more well informed market, that would be the way to approach it. That, and there are a lot of J6P's that can be convinced that every St. Gaudens is a near-extinct, one-of-a-kind rarity. Just look at the tactics used by some of those smarmy operations that run ads for loss-leader bullion, then try to slam responders with way overpriced numis.

HistoryStudent | 03-19-2009 01:52 PM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by Curmudgeonista (Post 1634443) I won't argue that there is merit to your argument about conterfeited items where suckers are concerned. However, I'd think the smarter conterfeiters would realize that there is much more volume to be done in common dates and maybe a little less scrutiny of them on the part of the buyers. Think about it. If I wanted to try to pull one over on a shrewder buyer I wouldn't expect to be able to get away with it on a rare coin. But, I might just be able to on something that's being bought as a semi-bullion, comodity-ish bulk holding... and I'd want to make it just enough of a bargain not to be a tip-off that something's wrong. Not saying everyone would necessarily fall for it, but if a counterfeiter is going to try to go after a broader and more well informed market, that would be the way to approach it. That, and there are a lot of J6P's that can be convinced that every St. Gaudens is a near-extinct, one-of-a-kind rarity. Just look at the tactics used by some of those smarmy operations that run ads for loss-leader bullion, then try to slam responders with way overpriced numis.
You have a point. However, if I was working hard to make a copy of something (using GOLD too!) I seriously doubt I would work just to double my money - when adding a "D or S" on a 1920 through 1928 saint would add 10 to 100 times my money to be gained for my crooked labors. In fact I would grab a authentic made 1920 to 1928 Saint and try to add those LITTLE letters. And then make the slab. But, that's just my common sense view of a crook - having captured and handled 100s of them.

Curmudgeonista | 03-19-2009 03:11 PM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1634608) You have a point. However, if I was working hard to make a copy of something (using GOLD too!) I seriously doubt I would work just to double my money - when adding a "D or S" on a 1920 through 1928 saint would add 10 to 100 times my money to be gained for my crooked labors. In fact I would grab a authentic made 1920 to 1928 Saint and try to add those LITTLE letters. And then make the slab.
I was thinking more in terms of gold plated lead or base metals from high-volume Chinese factories reputed to be counterfeiting slabbed coins. A slab is the perfect thing for them to try that with, too... harder to get an exact weight or measurement on the coin and it is assumed that no one is going to crack the slab for closer inspection. Slabs also make it easy for the counterfeit seller to weasel if you start showing signs of suspicion. Buyer: "Can we crack this thing open so I can see it closer? Seller: "Are you out of your mind?" Buyer: "Ok, well, can we send it in for re-grading and verification before I hand over my money? Seller: "Uh, NO. I have another buyer and I don't want to wait that long to get paid. It's a good deal. You gonna' buy it or not? 5 seconds to decide." Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1634608) But, that's just my common sense view of a crook - having captured and handled 100s of them.
That is very much appreciated. Keep up the good fight! I hear about dumb moves from really stupid criminals. But, I also hear about some pretty sophisticated schemes from smart crooks. Hard to know when you're overestimating their smarts, and when you're underestimating the lengths someone will go to to steal a buck.

HistoryStudent | 03-19-2009 07:59 PM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by Curmudgeonista (Post 1634788) I was thinking more in terms of gold plated lead or base metals from high-volume Chinese factories reputed to be counterfeiting slabbed coins. A slab is the perfect thing for them to try that with, too... harder to get an exact weight or measurement on the coin and it is assumed that no one is going to crack the slab for closer inspection. Slabs also make it easy for the counterfeit seller to weasel if you start showing signs of suspicion. Buyer: "Can we crack this thing open so I can see it closer? Seller: "Are you out of your mind?" Buyer: "Ok, well, can we send it in for re-grading and verification before I hand over my money? Seller: "Uh, NO. I have another buyer and I don't want to wait that long to get paid. It's a good deal. You gonna' buy it or not? 5 seconds to decide." That is very much appreciated. Keep up the good fight! I hear about dumb moves from really stupid criminals. But, I also hear about some pretty sophisticated schemes from smart crooks. Hard to know when you're overestimating their smarts, and when you're underestimating the lengths someone will go to to steal a buck.
Years ago we had a CAT Burglar who would work an entire block of occupied homes. His IQ was over 190 - so he was about twice me. :111: Anyway his Mothed of Operation was to place out a trash bag in front of every house - and at the last home STEAL the guys keys to his car and pick up some 8 to 10 bags in a very rich area of Los Angeles. Anyway we saw the bags out in front of the homes some six of them and put a stake out on the area - we knew he was extremely bright. Well this BRAIN saw the patol units and put himself up above the wardrobe unit in a bedroom and STAYED LAID frozen there for over eight hours until 9:00 a.m. then he tried to leave via the backyard - and we CAUGHT HIM. They say the only difference between a cop and crook is one wants to be the CAT the other wants to be the MOUSE and live high on the HOG. I still am honored to present the Cop of the Year Award to some great cops. Last year it was Four SDPD cops from Army, Navy Seals, Marines, and Regular Navy for service in Iraq on leave. .

prophet | 03-19-2009 08:14 PM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1634274) Yes J-son is right. Don't use your regular account - use your credit card for that specific PURCHASE by simply using the services of PAYPAL. Hope that makes sense - common sense. :15_1_70v:
Thanks mates! :36_3_12: i have received replies from sellers who are able to provide insurnace! :applause_ Whys it some sellers cannot provide this? Very puzzled....same shipping companies.... ??

esoteric | 03-19-2009 09:29 PM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Quote:
Originally Posted by prophet (Post 1635411) Thanks mates! :36_3_12: i have received replies from sellers who are able to provide insurnace! :applause_ Whys it some sellers cannot provide this? Very puzzled....same shipping companies.... ??
most normal couriors will only cover a certain amount....like under $1000. they need to have outside insurance to be able to just cover the price of a normal saint.

prophet | 03-20-2009 12:05 AM
Re: International shipping for pre-1933 $20 Saints?? Just when to enquire with my credit card. They do insure internet purchases of items for loss and damage! :565::10_1_20::getdown:

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