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californiajeff | 12-15-2005 07:02 PM
Gold Maple Leafs While I have not purchased any pure gold bullion coins such as the Gold Maple Leafs, I have heard they scratch easy. I hear this is because pure Gold is a little soft. Is this something I will need to worry about if I buy these coins? Or should I avoid them altogether and buy the American Gold Eagles which are 22k Gold? Are their similar problems of softness with the other Maple Leafs?

GoldenSheikUrBootie | 12-15-2005 07:07 PM
Re: Gold Maple Leafs Gold maples do damage easy. I like the Krugerrands over eagles for the price difference.

naccarato | 12-15-2005 07:11 PM
Re: Gold Maple Leafs Hey californiajeff, I have gold mapleleafs and yes they do scratch easy but I keep them in plastic holders, same with my Eagles, krugerrands and philharmonics, all in plastic so no problem.

lhslancers | 12-15-2005 07:51 PM
Re: Gold Maple Leafs Quote:
Originally Posted by californiajeff While I have not purchased any pure gold bullion coins such as the Gold Maple Leafs, I have heard they scratch easy. I hear this is because pure Gold is a little soft. Is this something I will need to worry about if I buy these coins? Or should I avoid them altogether and buy the American Gold Eagles which are 22k Gold? Are their similar problems of softness with the other Maple Leafs?
I purchased some a few months ago dated 1998 and they were all mint. I don't touch them but I understand they can scratch very easily. They are the best looking in my opinion with the Eagles a close second.

californiajeff | 12-15-2005 07:55 PM
Re: Gold Maple Leafs I think the Canadian Maple Leafs are some of the best looking Gold Bullion Coins, however I have been worried about the scratching. Also if they are soft are they easily bendable? I would hate to drop one and it be ruined. The Chinese Pandas look cool to me too.

erichops | 12-15-2005 09:49 PM
Re: Gold Maple Leafs the 24kt gold coins are the preffered ones; but you have to prevent them from getting scratches or they will be discounted. I would not buy any 22kt gold eagles right now, the US mint is coming out with a 24kt version sometime soon. When that happens, spreads will widen on the older 22kt gold eagles, they will trade more like krugerrands. But the maple leafs for now, and then when the US comes out with its 24kt coin, take a look then. The public wants 24kt bullion, not 22kt, that is why the US is going to start making them.

GoldenSheikUrBootie | 12-15-2005 10:03 PM
Re: Gold Maple Leafs Quote:
Originally Posted by erichops the 24kt gold coins are the preffered ones; but you have to prevent them from getting scratches or they will be discounted. I would not buy any 22kt gold eagles right now, the US mint is coming out with a 24kt version sometime soon. When that happens, spreads will widen on the older 22kt gold eagles, they will trade more like krugerrands. But the maple leafs for now, and then when the US comes out with its 24kt coin, take a look then. The public wants 24kt bullion, not 22kt, that is why the US is going to start making them.
The Krugerrands have 1 oz of 24k gold and 1/12th added copper to keep the coins a tad bit harder. The coins weigh over 1 troy oz. A scratch on the Gold Maple doesn't effect the value UNLESS you purchased a graded coin. All the gold is still there. The Maple are not bended easily, you'd need a hammer or such.

Leaf Ericson | 12-15-2005 10:38 PM
Re: Gold Maple Leafs I've always preferred the Maple Leaf and own more of those than any other gold. They can usually be found at or below the price of Eagles and have more gold in them. It seemed to me like a no-brainer. I also prefer the Silver Maple for the same reason, they also have a higher face value.

Lore | 12-16-2005 12:11 AM
Re: Gold Maple Leafs The Royal Canadian Mint packages all new bullion Maple Leaves in excellent sealed plastic sheets or individual vinyl pouches. There is no problem with scratches, abrasion or fingerprints if you leave them in the package. I would be concerned if a vendor deliberately exposes bullion coins for sale.

erichops | 12-16-2005 12:43 AM
Re: Gold Maple Leafs generic gold maple leafs that have been scratched trade at a discount; that is well documented. you might get away with selling a few with scratches, but if you are trying to move a bunch of them, the dealers will discount them. 24kt gold bullion coins are the fastest growing segment of the gold bullion coin mkt, that is why the US mint is going to start making them. It really isn't that big of a deal though, the keugerrand, gold eagle and the maple leaf all trade at about the same spread, and it is very tight, around 2.5%. So, you can't really go wrong with any of them. But, that being said, when the mint comes out with the 24kt eagle, your 22 kt eagles will end up getting slightly discounted. if you are not interested in taking the extra precautions in making sure your 24kt gold bullion does not get scratched, then i would stick with the 22kt and copper. Below is an article from earlier in the year on GIM that talks about this problem: Maple Leafs Get New Packaging Bill Haynes Jul 20, 2005 Gold Maple Leafs and Silver Maple Leafs are receiving packaging makeovers, changes clearly mandated by investor disfavor with packaging that the Royal Canadian Mint has used since the coins were introduced. Gold Maple Leafs debuted in 1979, Silver Maple Leafs in 1988. The changes appear to be good moves, which should increase sales of Silver Maple Leafs and help keep Gold Maple Leafs the preferred pure (.9999 fine) gold bullion coins. Since inception, 1-oz Gold Maple Leafs have been packaged ten to a tube. Because Maple Leafs are 24-karat, pure gold, they are "soft," relative to alloyed gold coins, such as American Gold Eagles and Krugerrands. Further, because of the design of the coins and the tight-fitting tubes, it is difficult to remove, inspect, and reinsert 1-oz Gold Maple Leafs in their tubes without scratching the coins. Actually, reinserting Gold Maple Leafs without at least some scratching is nearly impossible. Further, if the persons inspecting the coins do not know how easily the Gold Maple Leafs are damaged, needless damage often occurs while the coins are out their tubes. Gold Maple Leafs carry the image of Queen Elizabeth II on the front, with a flat, clear field alongside the image. The backs have the outline of a maple leaf, hence the coins' names. The problem arises from the coins' really sharp milled (reeded) edges. When the coins are reinserted in their tubes, the milled edges often scratch the fields. Then there is the problem with investors who like to "heft" their coins "to get a feel of them." If they put four or five Gold Maple Leafs in the palms of their hands and "clang" them, the damage can be quite severe. Should a Gold Maple Leaf be dropped, rim damage is almost guaranteed. As Gold Maple Leafs have been sold into the secondary market, damaged coins have become such a problem that Gold Maple Leafs have lost popularity with investors. The problem has become so widespread that many wholesalers bid only "melt" for Gold Maple Leafs, regardless of their condition. By paying only "melt," wholesalers can profitably resell the coins for industrial or jewelry purposes if no buyers are found for the coins. Gold Maple Leafs, like the Gold Eagles and the Krugerrands, are bullion coins, which trade for the value of their gold content, plus small premiums. Damaged Gold Maple Leafs do not mean a loss of gold; they contain an ounce of gold regardless of the scratching or rim nicks. Still, buyers do not like to receive damaged coins. This means that Gold Maple Leafs sold into the secondary market have to be evaluated for the degree of damage. Some wholesalers refuse to take the time to individually inspect Gold Maple Leafs and separate them according to their condition. These are the wholesalers who generally will pay only "melt" for 1-oz Gold Maple Leafs, regardless of condition. Fortunately, the free market being what it is, there are still some wholesalers who will buy according to condition. Yet the handwriting is on the wall: 1-oz Gold Maple Leafs in tubes will continue to lose popularity and probably will join Krugerrands, Mexican 50 Pesos, and Austrian 100 Coronas as basic bullion coins, which carry the smallest premiums in the bullion coin market. Still, the packaging makeover should fillip sales of new Gold Maple Leafs. With the new packaging, each 1-oz Gold Maple Leaf will be encapsulated in plastic and suspended in the middle of a plastic card, somewhat as 1-oz gold bars are packaged. However, the plastic protecting the Gold Maple Leafs will be heavier and more durable than the plastic used with 1-oz gold bars. The new packaging should keep the coins from being easily damaged. With the new packaging, the Royal Canadian Mint made another big change: 1-oz Gold Maple Leafs will now come 25 to a box, whereas the old packaging is ten to a tube. This change could further increase sales as 20 coins are common ordering units for gold bullion coins, because the world's most popular gold bullion coins-American Gold Eagles-come 20 to a tube. As a result of the change, investors wanting "complete original packaging" will move up to 25 ounces. However, orders for small quantities mean the coins will have to be removed from their mint boxes-but still individually encapsulated-and put in other containers. The new packaging also will require more storage space for Gold Maple Leafs than for 1-oz gold coins that come in tubes. Although 1-oz Gold Maple Leafs will be a little more cumbersome to handle, a large segment of the gold coin bullion market prefers pure gold coins. Gold Maple Leafs have long been the most popular 1-oz pure (.9999 fine or 24-karat) gold bullion coins on the market, and the new packaging should keep Gold Maple Leafs as the preferred 24-karat gold bullion coins. (The market for pure gold bullion coins is estimated to $2.4 billion annually.) The new packaging is expected to debut sometime in August. New packaging for 1-oz Silver Maple Leafs has already been introduced. However, Silver Maple Leafs in their old packaging are still available. Since Silver Maple Leafs were introduced in 1988, they have been packaged twenty coins to a sheet, 200 coins in a box. Each coin was individually enclosed in plastic. The new packaging will be similar to the U.S. Mint's Silver Eagles packaging. Silver Maple Leafs will now come 20 to a tube, 25 tubes to a container, and 500 coins to a "mint box." The new box will be made of durable heavy plastic, whereas the boxes of 200 are cardboard. The new packaging should make Silver Maple Leafs more competitive with American Silver Eagles, presently the most popular 1-oz modern silver bullion coins being sold. Bill Haynes Bill Haynes has been a precious metals dealer since 1973.

Lore | 12-16-2005 01:19 AM
Re: Gold Maple Leafs All my recent orders came packaged in sheets. Has anyone seen the "cards" mentioned in this article? I hope the card bit is erroneous, because the sheets roll nicely for storage.

MT Silver | 12-16-2005 10:55 AM
Re: Gold Maple Leafs Quote:
Originally Posted by Leaf Ericson I've always preferred the Maple Leaf and own more of those than any other gold. They can usually be found at or below the price of Eagles and have more gold in them. It seemed to me like a no-brainer. I also prefer the Silver Maple for the same reason, they also have a higher face value.
I just got educated not long ago about the gold content in maples, eagles and krugs. All have the 1 oz. of gold, the eagles and krugs just weigh more with the added alloys for durability. Just my worhtless 2 cents. MT Silver

californiajeff | 01-06-2006 04:51 PM
Re: Gold Maple Leafs What is the "melt" price offered for coins. Is that the same as spot?

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lhslancers | 01-06-2006 10:37 PM
Re: Gold Maple Leafs If you take care of the coins they will look perfect. The Maples that I got from CNI were perfect. Many different dates some 20 year specials with a special mint stamp. They won't scratch if you don't handle them too much. Listen to your mother and stop playing with your Maples.:aetsch:

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