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The Great Ag | 06-03-2007 02:37 PM
My new favorite bullion coin! 1 Attachment(s) I would have posted this in the fav bullion coin section, but there are not any pics. What a sucky thread, people taking about gold and silver and no pics.:confused_m: So I started my own. My new favorite coin is the Silver Mexican Libertad. Not because of beauty, as there are more beautiful bullion coins out there, the NZ Kiwi or Aussie Lunars come to mind, but because of its dimensions. To me, psychologically, it feels like money. The coin is smaller than a standard US silver dollar and much smaller in diameter than a SAE (see dimension below) while being thicker and it is slightly heavier. It fits easier in my hand, and when you carry 3 or 4 not as clunky as the SAE. What, you don't carry around 3-4 silver coins in your pocket, too? :D If I were to spend a silver coin, I would spend the Lib even though the silver content is the same as any other silver bullion coin. If you have not held one, I do not know how to explain it to you. It just feels how a silver coin should feel. Libertad SAE Dimension: 1 ounce Dimension: 1 ounce Weight (g): 31.635 Weight (g): 31.10 Diameter (mm): Cannot find Diameter (mm): 40.59 Now you can tell what an idiot I am. The Great Ag

j-son | 06-03-2007 02:52 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! are those from the roll i sent you?

sliver | 06-03-2007 02:52 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! lol, you forgot the boobs

The Great Ag | 06-03-2007 02:59 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by j-son (Post 626862) are those from the roll i sent you?
No those were from another batch I ordered. They were all dated 1982, and it BU condition, except the boobs were scuffed. Had I known what you had, I would have ordered all 5 rolls. Quote:
lol, you forgot the boobs
No fun fondling 1/16th inch silver boobs. The Great Ag

The Great Ag | 06-03-2007 03:08 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by j-son (Post 626867) only one roll left....
No thanks, J-son. My remaining funds are earmarked for the GIM rounds. In the future, I will keep you in mind. For those who are interested, J-son is an honest seller, great communicator and quick shipper. Could not ask for better than him. Ooops, this thread will now get moved into the PM dealer forum. :coolbeer: The Great ag

AlwaysWrite | 06-03-2007 04:59 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! I actually love the Libertads as well. I prefer the newer series (2000-2007). The mid-years (198x-1991) are nice too, they are smaller in diameter and thicker, and they have incuse lettering on the rim, which is cool. But the newer ones are gorgeous coins, probably prettier even that the SAE and rivaling the Aussie Lunars, especially in proof. The reverse of the newer coins (2000 and later) is, IMHO, gorgeous. The earlier series (1991-1999) has the same pretty obverse as the newer coins, but the reverse is different.

goldminer | 06-03-2007 05:45 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Great Ag... Are you talking about the (new style) Libertads or the old style Onza's?

RossL | 06-03-2007 05:53 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by sliver (Post 626863) lol, you forgot the boobs
here they are!

TomD | 06-03-2007 06:02 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Nice picture Ross, no way you did that with a scanner. BTW, the breast augmentation came out well, maybe she is ready to play at the Gold Club. Thank God that there are at least some foreign coins without a picture of the queen.

naccarato | 06-03-2007 06:18 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! 1 Attachment(s) This is my favorite bullion coin, the 2000 Schilling Philharmonic. The highest " face value" one troy ounce Gold coin on the planet. And it's true.

j-son | 06-03-2007 06:32 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by naccarato (Post 626985) This is my favorite bullion coin, the 2000 Schilling Philharmonic. The highest " face value" one troy ounce Gold coin on the planet. And it's true.
WARNING: ATS Austria Schillings is obsolete and is no longer legal tender. More info 2,000.00 ATS = 195.403 USD Austria Schillings obsolete United States Dollars 1 ATS = 0.0977013 USD 1 USD = 10.2353 ATS

naccarato | 06-03-2007 06:46 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Well, used to be. And it's true.

RossL | 06-03-2007 07:38 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 626970) Nice picture Ross, no way you did that with a scanner. BTW, the breast augmentation came out well, maybe she is ready to play at the Gold Club. Thank God that there are at least some foreign coins without a picture of the queen.
Yes, it was the Epson scanner

sindgefallen | 06-03-2007 07:44 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! I have recently fallen for these coins also. I have yet to get one of the newer designs but I have been picking them up as much as possible. Gave one to the father in law because he got the LIBERTAD bug also.

sindgefallen | 06-03-2007 08:13 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! J-SON what you got for those MAPLES? I may be interested.

TomD | 06-03-2007 08:14 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by RossL (Post 627038) Yes, it was the Epson scanner
I'm amazed because I don't see how a scanner can highlight like that scan did. I thought it would just uniformly burn the whole image and "flatten" the detail. Do you have any control or do you put the coin on the platten and hope for the best? I've got photoshop and an Epson scanner and the scanner drops the images right into photoshop. I assume that you do something similar. But, in the end, a camera gives you so much control.

j-son | 06-03-2007 08:30 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by sindgefallen (Post 627052) J-SON what you got for those MAPLES? I may be interested.
just sent you a PM on them.

RossL | 06-03-2007 09:20 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 627053) I'm amazed because I don't see how a scanner can highlight like that scan did. I thought it would just uniformly burn the whole image and "flatten" the detail. Do you have any control or do you put the coin on the platten and hope for the best? I've got photoshop and an Epson scanner and the scanner drops the images right into photoshop. I assume that you do something similar. But, in the end, a camera gives you so much control.
Just go into Photoshop and select "file", "import", and select the scanner from the list. I usually don't play with the scanner controls. Sometime I use the contrast control but that's about it. Scan at 600DPI and reduce to 200 or 150.

The Great Ag | 06-03-2007 10:06 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by goldminer (Post 626955) Great Ag... Are you talking about the (new style) Libertads or the old style Onza's?
The older Onzas. I do not have any newer ones, but I suspect they are larger (similar in size to SAEs). I'm sure a GIMer can confirm. Quote:
Originally Posted by naccarato (Post 626985) This is my favorite bullion coin, the 2000 Schilling Philharmonic. The highest " face value" one troy ounce Gold coin on the planet. And it's true.
Beautiful coin, Naccarato. Thanks for the pic. I do not have any Philharmonics. One day I will. Great scan RossL The Great Ag

Az Ag | 06-04-2007 01:07 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! I have to vote for those early 80's to mid 90's libertads too. There is just something about them that really says "cool". I'd like to have a treasure chest filled with them. I bought 3 of the 5 rolls J-son had for sale, and can't wait to get them. :love:

AlwaysWrite | 06-04-2007 01:12 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! The newer Libertads are either identical or very very close in size to the SAEs. They look identical, but I haven't measured. I BELIEVE the 198x-1991 coins are called "Onzas" and the 1991-present coins are called "Libertads," but I've seen both. The older coins have the word "Onza" prominently on them, but they also have the word "Libertad" incuse printed on the edge. And I don't know what the 1978-1980 sterling coins were called. Unfortunately, I've seen people call both groups of coins both different names, so if you want to be sure, you should ask for the year and check out which design it is.

eyeofliberty | 06-04-2007 01:22 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by AlwaysWrite (Post 627262) The newer Libertads are either identical or very very close in size to the SAEs. They look identical, but I haven't measured. I BELIEVE the 198x-1991 coins are called "Onzas" and the 1991-present coins are called "Libertads," but I've seen both. The older coins have the word "Onza" prominently on them, but they also have the word "Libertad" incuse printed on the edge. And I don't know what the 1978-1980 sterling coins were called. Unfortunately, I've seen people call both groups of coins both different names, so if you want to be sure, you should ask for the year and check out which design it is.
The 78-80 sterling coins, with the scale and press, are typically referred to as "onzas", whereas the ones with the angel are called "libertads". The older libertads are smaller in diameter and thicker than the newer ones, which are the size of SAEs. The onzas are just a tad bigger than SAEs, and are a pain in the butt to find suitable tubes for storage! I keep 'em in pog containers!

AlwaysWrite | 06-04-2007 01:40 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 627268) The 78-80 sterling coins, with the scale and press, are typically referred to as "onzas", whereas the ones with the angel are called "libertads". The older libertads are smaller in diameter and thicker than the newer ones, which are the size of SAEs. The onzas are just a tad bigger than SAEs, and are a pain in the butt to find suitable tubes for storage! I keep 'em in pog containers!
Yeah, the old (1978-1980) sterling coins are just a bit too big (42mm) to fit in SAE airtites or tubes. The pog container idea is cool! The mid-year (1982-1995) coins are much smaller and thicker (36mm), and have the cool edge lettering. The newer coins (1996-1999) have the new, gorgeous angel on the front, and are SAE size (40mm). The newest coins (2000-present) have the same obverse, but an even cooler reverse, in my opinion. They are the same size (40mm). I am lucky enough to have one of each type of coin. I love them! :yippee: Again, I've seen all 4 types of coins called both "Onzas" and "Libertads," so be careful when ordering, although all have 1 oz of pure silver. Here's a site with some good info and nice pics (I've never ordered from them, so it's not a recommendation of where to buy, just some info and pics). (Note that they call them ALL "Onzas.") http://www.rivercitycoins.com/silver.../MexicoSR.html

Texan | 06-04-2007 02:17 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by The Great Ag (Post 626855) [FONT=Century Gothic] To me, psychologically, it feels like money. The coin is smaller than a standard US silver dollar and much smaller in diameter than a SAE (see dimension below) while being thicker and it is slightly heavier. It fits easier in my hand, and when you carry 3 or 4 not as clunky as the SAE. What, you don't carry around 3-4 silver coins in your pocket, too? :D
+1 on that Great Ag, the older Onzas have a tremendous old school, rugged, pirate-like appeal. That splendid thickness and smaller diameter is a large part of that allure. And the best thing is, you can frequently find them at little premium over spot.

eyeofliberty | 06-04-2007 08:14 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by AlwaysWrite (Post 627281) I am lucky enough to have one of each type of coin. I love them! :yippee:
Just ONE of each type? :shocked_ma:

Krugerrand | 06-04-2007 10:17 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! That is probably my favorite silver bullion coin as well, the older Onzas with the writing on the edge. It's the smaller diameter and thickness that does it for me, too. The writing on the edge also attracts me. I only have two that I received as a birthday gift :bear_thumb: but they are still my favorite silver coins that I have. The opposite is probably one reason that I don't like SAEs as much... too friggin' wide. Like big saucers. That and the weird dull milky finish they have.

Anty Ep | 06-04-2007 10:27 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! yes these are great people should post good offers on the net for these in this thread- can we do that?

eyeofliberty | 06-04-2007 11:25 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 627530) yes these are great people should post good offers on the net for these in this thread- can we do that?
That would be great! Jennifer (Lone Star Silver) sometimes has Libertads; just ask. APMEX had onzas for awhile at 45� over spot, but seem to be out of them at the moment. eBay on both Libertads and onzas is usually ridiculous -- the premiums I see people paying for these make me laugh! $20+ per coin? Please! A while back there was a guy trying to sell a roll of Libertads (20) with a starting bid of $550!

The Great Ag | 06-04-2007 11:29 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 627530) yes these are great people should post good offers on the net for these in this thread- can we do that?
J-son's prices are very fair, but he is out. The onza pic I posted, I purchased from coloradogold.com. He sells them for .75 cents over spot. NOt a bad price, but you have to buy 100 ounces minimum. The Great Ag

j-son | 06-04-2007 12:12 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by The Great Ag (Post 627581) J-son's prices are very fair, but he is out. The onza pic I posted, I purchased from coloradogold.com. He sells them for .75 cents over spot. NOt a bad price, but you have to buy 100 ounces minimum. The Great Ag
.75 over spot plus 1.5% commission

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The Great Ag | 06-04-2007 12:20 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by j-son (Post 627611) .75 over spot plus 1.5% commission
Ooops, forgot that. J-son is correct. Still a good price compared to anywhere else I looked. Sorry J-son, I did not know you had those, or I would have ordered the rolls from you. Still my roll will probably arrive today. the Great Ag

AlwaysWrite | 06-04-2007 04:31 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty (Post 627425) Just ONE of each type? :shocked_ma:
I know ... I only recently got into them when I found a few at a coin show. I hadn't seen them in person or how beautiful they were. Now that I have them, it's sparked the desire for me to get more. And, yes, if anyone has info on good prices (especially for the newer ones), please help us out! :coolbeer:

sliver | 06-04-2007 06:31 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by AlwaysWrite (Post 627281) Yeah, the old (1978-1980) sterling coins are just a bit too big (42mm) to fit in SAE airtites or tubes. The pog container idea is cool!
The onza's fit exactly into a standard toilet paper cardboard tube. Works well if you're cheap like me. Related threads http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=46137 http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=128263

naccarato | 06-04-2007 06:46 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by sliver (Post 627990) The onza's fit exactly into a standard toilet paper cardboard tube. Works well if you're cheap like me. Related threads http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=46137 http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=128263
Your cheap sliver, and I know cheap.

sliver | 06-04-2007 07:10 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! That's how I get to afford silver :) Maybe I should start selling my onza holders on ebay :rofl:

naccarato | 06-04-2007 07:15 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Nah, that's a bad idea, no one would buy them. Gotta go now.

Anty Ep | 06-05-2007 08:23 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! thanks for the info. a few shatterered kneecaps and dislocated fingers, and I will be able to get a bunch of these. lol j/k

j-son | 06-05-2007 09:27 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! 1 Attachment(s) There never seems to be much talk about mexican GOLD libertad/onzas...any of you have any mexican gold other than the peso coins? here's one i picked up that seemed kinda cool to have...its 1/4 oz from 1981

AlwaysWrite | 06-05-2007 11:06 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! The gold Libertads are definitely nice, but I hardly ever see them. I've actually never seen one in person. When I do see them for sale (online), they seem to have huge premiums (the silver ones often do as well). If I could find the gold ones (full or fractional) for close to spot or at least Gold Eagle prices, I'd pick up a few.

Krugerrand | 06-06-2007 01:41 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by j-son (Post 629361) There never seems to be much talk about mexican GOLD libertad/onzas...any of you have any mexican gold other than the peso coins? here's one i picked up that seemed kinda cool to have...its 1/4 oz from 1981
That's a nice one, Jason. Looks just like the older silver "onzas", quite sharp. The gold 50 peso is still my favorite Mexican coin, though.:bear_happy:

AMforPM | 06-06-2007 03:40 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Libertads are my favorite silver coin and I give them away to interest people in silver because they feel so nice to hold and look so nice. A few times I have handed someone a round and a Libertad and let them choose. It is never pondered. They want the Libertad though some say 'oh, I can't accept this' because Libertads feel like their real value rather than the ridiculously cheap price we can get them for in FRNs right now, and something deep in people recognizes this fact. The feel like I am handing them more like a $100 bill not a $10 bill, and feel bad about accepting. I try to buy them when premiums are not too high as it seems to fluctuate. I have not even seen pics of gold Libertads. Oh no... another much more expensive coin to lust after! In gold I got one of the 1 ounce or near representatives that are commonplace - krug, austrian, mexican, eagle and maple. I got my big holding in eagles because I bought before I knew better. My silver is mostly 90% and rounds (to get more ounces per FRN), but I have a few Libertads, and check each time I order silver to see if any year is at a reasonable premium. Now I want 1 buffalo and probably each size of gold libertad (sigh) and my budget is busy with preps and if I had extra, getting shares cheap while the getting is good.

RossL | 06-06-2007 05:33 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! 1 Attachment(s) Quote:
Originally Posted by AMforPM (Post 629614) I have not even seen pics of gold Libertads. Oh no... another much more expensive coin to lust after!
from my vast collection of scans... bought this at a coin show about 5 years ago

TomD | 06-06-2007 07:44 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by RossL (Post 629644) from my vast collection of scans...
You know Ross, if you bought one of the 100 Kg Maples, you could have a collection of vast scans---

RossL | 06-06-2007 07:55 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 629678) You know Ross, if you bought one of the 100 Kg Maples, you could have a collection of vast scans---
I would need a big scanner for that big boy. :banana:

j-son | 06-06-2007 08:06 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by RossL (Post 629644) from my vast collection of scans... bought this at a coin show about 5 years ago
thats weird that you and i have the same fractional gold coin from the same year?!? the coin must be quite common i guess :afraid:

RossL | 06-06-2007 08:18 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by j-son (Post 629696) thats weird that you and i have the same fractional gold coin from the same year?!? the coin must be quite common i guess :afraid:
Yeah, that's weird. I haven't seen very many of them.

AMforPM | 06-07-2007 10:26 AM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by RossL (Post 629644) from my vast collection of scans... bought this at a coin show about 5 years ago
Thanks for posting.... coin lust activated! Does it have 'LIBERTAD Y INDEPENDENCIA' on the edge? I love that about silver Libertads. The truth of PMs right on the edge = Liberty and Independence.

RossL | 06-08-2007 12:41 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by AMforPM (Post 630917) Thanks for posting.... coin lust activated! Does it have 'LIBERTAD Y INDEPENDENCIA' on the edge? I love that about silver Libertads. The truth of PMs right on the edge = Liberty and Independence.
I don't remember if it has the edge lettering. I will have to get it out of "deep storage" to check it. Maybe J-son can look at his and tell us.

RossL | 06-08-2007 12:46 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by TomD (Post 629678) You know Ross, if you bought one of the 100 Kg Maples, you could have a collection of vast scans---
My new favorite bullion coin ! :bull-smile: APMEX has it for sale on their web site! http://www.apmex.com/Category/21/Gol...le_Leafs_.aspx {snip} Also Available 100 Kilo ( 3215 oz ) .99999 Gold Maple Leaf call 1.800.375.9006 for Details!

j-son | 06-08-2007 01:32 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by RossL (Post 632251) I don't remember if it has the edge lettering. I will have to get it out of "deep storage" to check it. Maybe J-son can look at his and tell us.
yes...sure does have the edge lettering

RossL | 06-24-2007 09:01 PM
Re: My new favorite bullion coin! Quote:
Originally Posted by j-son (Post 645707) not sure if you saw this one...but they are producing a 2007 99.999 pure gold "purple violet" floral themed coin. only 1400 produced 1,423.76 USD is the cost....who's buyin?
Not me. I'm not paying that much for the "five-nines" gimmick. :bash:

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